‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 5: Broke or Brokenhearted … or Worse

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Speaker 4 All right, episode five, best episode of the season. Yes, thumbs up.

Speaker 3 Just sensational stuff.

Speaker 4 A roller coaster ride features

Speaker 4 quite possibly the best scene in the history of the show from a holy shit. We're doing this standpoint.

Speaker 2 I thought you were going to say in the history of television.

Speaker 1 It's, I think, is that how you feel about the Sam Rockwell scene?

Speaker 3 Yeah, so he feels about it.

Speaker 4 Big takeaways.

Speaker 3 Uh-huh.

Speaker 4 My number one is Sam Rockwell legend coming in hot. He's missed four episodes,

Speaker 4 flying in, Thailand, go see his old friend Rick in Bangkok in a hotel. Yep.
They're just catching up. So what have you been up to?

Speaker 4 Well, I've been sober for 10 months, and then we are off, and it's a whole monologue. It's impeccably acted.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Goggins is perfect.

Speaker 4 The audience is marrying Goggins, just like, what is happening right now? And it goes for like, I don't know, four minutes.

Speaker 3 Five minutes.

Speaker 4 Five minutes. And I think it's in the running for best scene in the history of the show.

Speaker 2 How did it make you feel? You know, you have often been known to say sex is a poetic act. It's a metaphor.

Speaker 2 What was it like to see yourself on television in this way?

Speaker 4 It was finally somebody tapping into my inner monologues at all times. Yeah.
The thing is,

Speaker 4 you know, once, once you've had sex with thousands of women,

Speaker 3 now you have to think like the woman.

Speaker 2 You had to sit down and ask yourself, what is desire?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what is desire?

Speaker 4 What was the best moment of Sam Rockwell's career up until this episode? Crowded field.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's an Oscar winner. He was not in for Oscars two years in a row, right? My personal, but like personal favorite would just be Moon, which is

Speaker 3 Moon's incredible love and think he's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Also, Box and Moonlight, which is like a really early Sam Rockwell that I really, really love. That's like really unhinged Sam Rockwell.

Speaker 2 I guess as the house of our duo, we would have to say Justin Hammer. One of the genuine bright spots.

Speaker 3 Also Galaxy Quest. Yeah.
Incredible Galaxy Quest. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He was one of those hot young actor, watch out for this guy, this guy, you're going to be hearing from this dude.

Speaker 4 And then had this, and it never quite happened, but then it happened in a totally different, better way, which is he's like beloved. But I wouldn't say he's not like an an A-plus lister.

Speaker 3 No, he has a supporting actor Oscar.

Speaker 1 Mike White, once again, mining the supporting actor field for the ego's on wiki and just looks at the supporting categories.

Speaker 4 It's like, oh, this guy. Who's next?

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think

Speaker 1 this is a perfect casting because you can definitely, like, Sam Rockwell and Mongoggins feel like they're just pals. Yeah.
And we mentioned before that Sam Rockwell, that Leslie Bibb is his partner.

Speaker 1 So it's just like couples that film in Thailand together stay together, question mark.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 1 What a fun family excursion for them.

Speaker 2 Chamomile tea and pajamas at the pool party, you know? Correct.

Speaker 4 Well, we'll dive into Sam later when we get there in the recap part. But

Speaker 4 holy shit. I just feels like the Emmy is like, there's just no way.
I don't know. We don't know if he's coming back.
I don't know how many guest actor episodes.

Speaker 1 I think even if he's in the rest of the season, he can go for the guest actor,

Speaker 1 which is the easier one to get and what he should go for.

Speaker 2 It definitely seems like he's coming back because Rick asked him to keep the next night free.

Speaker 1 I think if I had to guess,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I would say he's in like two,

Speaker 1 three, but he's not coming back to the White Lotus with them. Like, he's like this is the character that stays in bang.

Speaker 1 So, if Rick's coming back to the White Lotus, I don't think he's coming with them.

Speaker 2 I feel like we're going to see him in episode six when Rick executes his con or attempts to and confronts Hollinger.

Speaker 1 And he plays the director. He gets to play the director.

Speaker 2 He plays the director, and that's it. And then Rick goes back and finds Chelsea in whatever state that she is in after everything that happened on the yacht.

Speaker 4 Really rarely on TV anymore do you have a scene out of nowhere where you're just completely captivated. I think it's hard on her to pull off because there's so much TV.

Speaker 4 We've seen so many variations of the same thing. Like I remember that you never watched Sopranos yet, but like when Carmella and Tony actually had their fight when she confronted him.
Oh my God.

Speaker 4 And for four minutes, it was, you're just frozen. Like, oh my God, what's happening? It just doesn't.
Lost had a couple great ones.

Speaker 4 Like the, I mean, the best one ever when

Speaker 4 Jack with the beard, we have have to go back.

Speaker 4 And that was like, that was another one where you're like, I'm not going to put the same Rockwell monologue on like that kind of level, but it's pretty close.

Speaker 1 It's not a point boat, but it's up there. No, I mean, it, and also just visually, a very, very cool shot.

Speaker 1 I was just talking to our Palachean Fantasy in the hall about like the visuals of White Lotus this season. I think this episode in particular.

Speaker 2 Did he mention anything about color grading?

Speaker 1 He didn't, but, you know, I could tell that he wanted to.

Speaker 1 No, but like all of the color, the neons, the like flashing lights in the full moon party and the pool party. I don't know what their light system was at the pool party, but it looked amazing.

Speaker 1 But in that scene, in the Goggins Rockwell scene, there's like this wide shot where they're all sort of like doubled exposure on top of each other.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was really cool.

Speaker 3 That was a really cool shot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you know the second you because you you had both like

Speaker 4 I knew he was coming. I just didn't know how.

Speaker 2 But we didn't know. And like before that, though, we had talked earlier in the season, someone will show up in the middle of the season.
There will be that little like bit of garnish that you had,

Speaker 2 you didn't know. And we knew because of two prior seasons of White Lotus to expect something, but we had no idea what shape it would take inside of this season.

Speaker 2 And then when we had the Rick phone call, we're like, who could that be? But the second that you saw him,

Speaker 2 like when Goggins goes down to the lobby and it's Sam Rockwell, right away do you know that you're in for the night of your life? We're in for a ride.

Speaker 4 Because Sam Rockwell is not just going to Bangkok to mail in an episode of White Lotus.

Speaker 3 Here's your gun.

Speaker 1 Bye. Like that's not what this is.

Speaker 2 Another Chekhov's gun has entered the chat.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. And a really nice leather duffel.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't know if Joanna knows this, but I used to be a writer.

Speaker 2 How are the fingers? The fingers still work?

Speaker 4 Fingers barely.

Speaker 4 I used to be a writer, but I love myself a long,

Speaker 4 well-written, well-acted monologue. It's still one of my favorites.
Like, this reminded me a little, there's this really weird late 90s movie called Your Friends and Neighbors

Speaker 4 with Ben Stewart, Jason Patrick. Jason Patrick has this crazy monologue about having sex with somebody in high school.
and it's like five minutes long, and it was the same kind of thing.

Speaker 4 He's telling it to Ben Stower. I won't spoil it, but he goes through this whole thing, and Ben Stower is just

Speaker 4 like frozen, like can't believe what's happening, and goes through.

Speaker 3 But it doesn't, it's really hard to pull off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will say we can get to this. later if we want to, but when he was like, I looked great, I was like, have we ever seen Sam Rockwell in drag before? And I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 1 But Walton Goggins, of course, like very famously was in drag for his appearance on Sons of Anarchy, played this great character, Venus Van Dam, looked amazing, actually.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, Sam, I would like you to put your money where your mouth is.

Speaker 3 The way you looked incredible episodes last time.

Speaker 1 I would like to see the evidence.

Speaker 4 So we'll get to Sam later, but he was the number one big takeaway. I have three more.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I feel like everyone on the show could potentially die now.

Speaker 4 I'm not crossing off one person.

Speaker 1 Can I float a theory by you?

Speaker 3 Yes. Well,

Speaker 1 Rob and I were talking about this, about in previous seasons of White Lotus with Arman and Tanya, we never have a character who dies who has like strong emotional attachments to other characters because you don't want to end the White Lotus season on like a grieving family.

Speaker 1 That's not something they've ever done before, right? You've never had anyone at the airport montage at the end, like actively, majorly grieving. So will he do something different this season?

Speaker 1 Maybe, but like that's if if the rat lift, any of the rat lifts died, if Rick or Chelsea died, that would be such a like a bummer note to end a season that is usually sort of like tragic comic.

Speaker 4 So, when the first two seasons ended, the first one, Jake Lacey's in the airport. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Shane is there and Rachel's back.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And the second one is they're running in the water because there's a dead body, which is

Speaker 1 in terms of the opening.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking like what they gave away in the thing.

Speaker 3 Daphne, Daphne, Daphne.

Speaker 4 This one, it's mid-shooting.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 4 So we don't know how much is left.

Speaker 4 That's why I feel like everybody's in the table. So you get hit by by a stray bullet.

Speaker 1 You think everyone dies at the end of the season?

Speaker 4 Or one person. But I'm just not, even like Piper, I wouldn't rule out.
You just never know.

Speaker 2 There was that like very ominous cut to her.

Speaker 3 It was so irritating a lot of people. I was like, what is her having a

Speaker 3 kind of debauchery? It was such a weird cut to her. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but was it weird?

Speaker 2 But I think, you know, what's interesting, and this is ultimately the sign of a really well-conceived and structured and executed season, is that I think you're both right. Like,

Speaker 2 it feels five-eighths of the way through that everybody could be involved as an impetus in what happens and potentially die or be harmed in some way, hurt in some way.

Speaker 2 And it also, because like all of those possibilities feel

Speaker 2 like they've been appropriately set up. And then also like at the end of the day, probably

Speaker 2 the damage will be contained to a few people, even if it is a shootout that is caused by someone getting spooked by a monkey or a lizard.

Speaker 2 Though I think what you're saying does like still make, we've probably talked about this the most throughout the season, like the guy talk

Speaker 2 corner of the story or the

Speaker 2 Valentine corner of the story the most ripe for like the contained damage.

Speaker 3 If a Russian dies

Speaker 3 or

Speaker 3 Greg Gary dies.

Speaker 2 Or Greg Gary, that's the other thing. And that's like increasingly

Speaker 2 to bring Gary slash Greg, Greg Gary back.

Speaker 2 I was thinking about this watching this episode. Like, sometimes with White Lotus, I don't mean this as an insult.
I actually mean this as a compliment.

Speaker 2 It actually is like the thing that you think it's going to be, right? 100%.

Speaker 2 And that's part of what's interesting about it. It's not really about the twist or the shock.

Speaker 2 Like, throughout season two, I mean, throughout season one, we're watching Armand spiral and we're watching Shane and Armand on a collision course.

Speaker 2 And then throughout season two, the number of moments where there was some reason to parse whether Tanya was headed towards some doom or Greg was the cowboy or this and and that.

Speaker 2 It's like it all was pointing toward the place it went.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you're making an old school sports mistake. You're taking a very small sample size and projecting.

Speaker 3 We've only got two other samples.

Speaker 4 So he's going to do he might just zag and be like, I'm taking out your favorite character.

Speaker 2 Right. So he could truly surprise us by doing something actually distinct from what our expectation now is.

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 2 maybe that is part of the commentary of his show.

Speaker 4 This was the first episode where I was like, it's going to be Piper. He's setting us up.
She's found, she's the only one that has found

Speaker 3 the right rebel.

Speaker 4 Piper will be meditating free from her family bullshit and getting shot by a stray bullet.

Speaker 1 I disagree with both of you. I think Piper is going to decide she wants a life of privilege.

Speaker 1 She's going to fall back in with her family.

Speaker 1 That's what happens on White Lotus.

Speaker 3 She doesn't want to be a booty.

Speaker 2 That's not always what happens on White Lotus. Quinn left.
He ran away at the airport and he went and frolicked in the ocean.

Speaker 1 He didn't start as the rebel.

Speaker 3 Right. That's true.
The rebel used to be.

Speaker 4 Twin lost his iPad.

Speaker 3 I know he couldn't lose it. So that once it once a 16-year-old loses

Speaker 1 Rwanda Laughlin lost his iPad.

Speaker 3 So that was my second thing.

Speaker 4 Two more themes. Well, the third theme, the Buddhism,

Speaker 4 Buddhism really kicked in this episode, and there's a religious

Speaker 4 something happening now.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 4 we had snake fire tsunamis. Now we're in, all right, the concept of choice, faith.
What do you believe in? We're now moving into that. There's a lot of big-ass themes being juggled.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 This idea that, like, the whole Sam Rockwell monologue is an attempt, a lost person trying to figure out who they are.

Speaker 2 Who am I?

Speaker 1 And where can I find that? Can I find it having sex with thousands of women, dressing up differently,

Speaker 1 or in Buddhism and sobriety, I guess? And then Tim Ratliff.

Speaker 1 who's praying to his Christian God at the end of this episode, wants to know, what should I do?

Speaker 1 which is like a callback to what Saxon said earlier, where there's like two kinds of people in this world, and they're people who just want to be told what to do. Yeah, and so, like, who am I?

Speaker 2 What should I do?

Speaker 1 These are the big questions, these are what we search for answers for inside of spirituality.

Speaker 4 Well, and then, and then, Saxon, they take away his choice because he does drugs, which is the one that's

Speaker 2 on the other side.

Speaker 3 He actually is the guidance, right? He doesn't need drugs. I don't need drugs.
I am the drug.

Speaker 4 Um, but so they take away his choice, and then he starts acting pretty goofy. Wow.

Speaker 3 I mean, if that's the word you want to use,

Speaker 4 my daughter, Zoe, who I watched for the second time last night with, and I asked her what drug it was because I know nothing. And she's like, oh, that's ecstasy.
Yeah, Molly.

Speaker 3 Why did you know that, so fag?

Speaker 4 I'm at it.

Speaker 3 It's like, dad, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 The little candy in the baggie party drugs.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Amali.

Speaker 4 I don't know what's going on. Buddhism.
Then

Speaker 4 the last theme,

Speaker 4 aging actress vanity.

Speaker 4 I think Mike White's trying trying to something with that Jacqueline character about somebody who's on the tail end of her run as like a desired actress.

Speaker 4 And that this has been the last two episodes, right? They're at the old hotel. I'm not old yet.
They're on the dance floor, and there's the woman checking them out dancing. And she's like, look at me.

Speaker 4 I still got it. And then at the end, I'm going to be the one that has sex with Valentin.
Like,

Speaker 4 there's something he's trying to do with that.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, just Jacqueline being a person who needs to feel vital, young, have attention.

Speaker 1 But this is something you think he's trying to say something bigger with that.

Speaker 4 Well, I think he's, by the way, I have no inside info, but he's definitely worked with different types of actresses, right?

Speaker 4 He's had a couple older actors that he's worked with. I just wonder, like, if there's some extra juice on that.

Speaker 2 I think that those points are all part of the same text, though.

Speaker 2 And even though this season is set in Thailand and Buddhism is a central actual active aspect of the text, like it's not subtext, that's been there since the beginning, you know, minute one of the show and has been a through line across all three seasons.

Speaker 2 Like, what role does desire play in your life? And what decisions do you make when you're guided by desire and you're ruled by desire?

Speaker 2 And then what decisions do you make if you feel like you have to rebel against that? Like,

Speaker 2 the Jacqueline thing is of a piece with that entirely. It's how she, the thing she desires is to be desired, to be desired, right? It is to be an object of other people's desire.

Speaker 2 And so she is potentially sabotaging her friendships, her marriage, core relationships in her life to feel that for a minute.

Speaker 1 And I think also, I really agree with you. And I think also this idea that

Speaker 1 at the White Lotus, when you're at the White Lotus, you have achieved so much luxury. You have had so many desires in your life fulfilled.
Every desire you could possibly want is probably fulfilled.

Speaker 1 And how existential, how lost are you when that happens to you? How lost are so many of these privileged people?

Speaker 1 And so for Jacqueline, who has so much to just need that much more, or for Sam Rockwell to have like fucked his way through Bangkok and he's just like, and yet I need more. I feel hollow.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, the White Lotus recurring theme, if it looks good on the surface, it's probably not.

Speaker 4 Things aren't going great. We're going to take a break and come back and go through the episode.

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Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 4 Start of the episode.

Speaker 4 Our guy, Guy Talk.

Speaker 2 Brutal.

Speaker 4 Listen. The worst security guard.
I mean, at least in recent history. I don't know if I'm willing to go worst security guard of all time.

Speaker 3 I love Guy Talk.

Speaker 1 Terrible at his job.

Speaker 3 Terrible.

Speaker 1 Should not be working this job. Really stupid.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm going to leave you. But like, who's in the booth?

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 Terrible. So you take like a couple minutes.
Yeah. He leaves the booth overnight.

Speaker 4 Smart enough to actually go through the video to CCTV.

Speaker 4 And there's Tim Ratliff coming out with a gun and then does this weird thing where he's stalking the dinner table for a while, but doesn't have that.

Speaker 4 Doesn't have the balls to say like, yo, man, give me my gun back. Right.

Speaker 2 I cannot find something. I think you have it.
And Tim's like, nope.

Speaker 3 Just walks right out. On the one hand, doesn't have the balls.

Speaker 1 On the other hand, at the White Lotus, like we hear from Fabian later when he's talking to belinda you have to be like so delicate with these people so i think he was trying to give tim the opportunity to just like leave the gun on the counter and walk away and we can all pretend that this never happened you know like that kind of handling well he gave him the opportunity but then when the opportunity wasn't taken yeah yeah there's another move at that point

Speaker 2 hey i need the gun back yeah dude well or just like fess up Go tell Fabian, go tell your boss. Like,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry I lost the gun. And this is the theme.

Speaker 3 Risk Mook's. But that's exactly it.

Speaker 2 Like, this is the theme. And this is why he continues to be such a strong candidate for being involved in something tragic at the end.
Like, he is in such a dire strait in this stretch of the episode.

Speaker 2 And yet, when Mook walks by and smiles at him, he kind of can't help but get swept up in her beauty.

Speaker 3 No, I can't blame him.

Speaker 4 I feel the same way. I feel beautiful.

Speaker 2 Like, the shift change comes. Yeah.
And the guy replacing him is like, anything I should know? It's like, nope. And we get it.
He's invested in upward, forward mobility to impress Mook.

Speaker 2 And so he's not going to reveal something that leads to him being fired and jeopardizes his courtship, but that's going to probably lead to somebody getting killed.

Speaker 3 Anything I should know?

Speaker 4 Yeah. The guy in room 507 stole our new gun.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mallory, I know you related to several people inside of this episode. I did.

Speaker 3 I'm so excited. I'm in a shocking,

Speaker 3 shocking fashion.

Speaker 3 Did you relate to Fabian? What does that mean?

Speaker 4 I can't wait to find out.

Speaker 1 Did you relate to Fabian when he said, I have antacid if you're stomach upset? I get digestion issue when I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 I did. Yeah.
I was like, my guy also thinks every podcast should be sponsored by a Modium May Day.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 4 so this was the only episode. I think that's a same night two episode, which we talked about last time.

Speaker 4 So we're still at dinner with Piper and the parents.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And she tells them the Thailand plan. Poor Tim is just zonked out.
She might as well tell him, Mike, I landed on Mars last night. He would not be listening.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 4 our girl, Parker Posey, who's not on

Speaker 4 Laprazam, Lorazepam.

Speaker 3 Lorazepam. She's going to have to drink herself to sleep.

Speaker 4 She's boozing it up. So she's more lively than ever.

Speaker 1 Apparently, withdrawals from Lorazepam are like intensive and kind of immediate.

Speaker 1 So I don't know what's going to happen to Vicki over the next couple of days because she was like chewing those things down.

Speaker 1 By the way, I also found out that apparently Lorazepam is sweet and just dissolves on your tongue. So we don't have to worry about Tim taking them dry.

Speaker 3 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 They're just a sweet little candy.

Speaker 3 I'd like to apologize to Tim Rattle for that and that alone.

Speaker 4 Poison fruit, though.

Speaker 3 Still poisonous.

Speaker 3 Incredible Parker Posey stuff.

Speaker 4 Best scene

Speaker 4 of the whole season, I think, so far.

Speaker 2 Which one? The table scene or back at the villa?

Speaker 4 I mean, you combine them together.

Speaker 3 Charles Mance wrote books. Bill Clinton wrote books.
Hillary Clinton wrote five books. The list goes on.
That just absolutely killed me.

Speaker 3 No, but like everything she said, I mean, like, all of her life.

Speaker 4 She was there in Taiwan. Yeah.
That was a revelation.

Speaker 3 Insane.

Speaker 1 But when, when

Speaker 1 Piper says, okay, a lot.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, lied to you. I'm not here

Speaker 1 for my thesis. I'm here to check out.

Speaker 3 There's no book club?

Speaker 1 She says the reason I wanted to come here was to check it out. And I did.
And I really like it. Piper, you briefly walked through

Speaker 3 the monastery once. Yeah, you mean that? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 What do you mean you checked it out and you like.

Speaker 2 Literally the equivalent of watching one Instagram reel.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 You could end up with a completely different set of values than the ones we gave you.

Speaker 4 She was awesome.

Speaker 3 Sheltered girls like you are constantly getting brainwashed and turned out. Right.

Speaker 1 Someone needs to take Vicki's, like the Netflix documentaries away from you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 How about look at the catholics organized cults and deviant sex can go hand in hand well mike white just slinging i was gonna say that's a classic sounds like vicky should have a podcast yeah mike white son of a son of a preacher but like you know the catholics i guess are open season great combination this was really like the the vicky experience in miniature because it's great she is you know, ultimately really embarrassing herself in multiple respects, like revealing yet again that she doesn't actually know anything about her own child.

Speaker 2 Doesn't know anything about her own child, that she is a practicing Buddhist, that this is something that's important to her, why it would be important to her.

Speaker 3 She is just revealing

Speaker 2 prejudice after prejudice, like total ignorant person. And yet we kind of can't stop like laughing in a fit of hysterics as we watch this performance because it is such a

Speaker 2 finely tuned and perfectly calibrated bit of social commentary.

Speaker 1 Also, yeah, I think the I think the one extra layer of that is that I think also she's right.

Speaker 1 That's what I think is also true about Vicki here. Not that they're in Taiwan, obviously.

Speaker 1 And not that you can't explore Buddhism or whatever, but the fact that Piper has not put enough thought into this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure. Yes.

Speaker 4 What was the best Piper word? Was it

Speaker 3 guru?

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 4 Or was it, what was the other one she said?

Speaker 2 It's tough. Crowded field.

Speaker 4 Oh, Buddhist.

Speaker 4 I do feel like sometimes with these shows, the actor takes like three to four episodes to really nail the character completely. Now she has it.

Speaker 1 Have you been enjoying the clip of Parker Posey from like It's Good Morning America?

Speaker 3 I saw that.

Speaker 4 And she was talking about how much fun she has.

Speaker 3 She's like, Hopper. No,

Speaker 3 Buddhism. Yeah, it's great.
It's great stuff.

Speaker 2 I think everyone has come all the way back around on all of the accent work on this. I actually sometimes find it most amusing to listen to her just with like normal words.

Speaker 2 Like the way she just said have no purpose because she's drawing it out over like 45 seconds, even though it's three words since then.

Speaker 3 It's the best.

Speaker 4 Well, at the end of that whole thing, when we got back to the villa and she says,

Speaker 4 you could do everything right. And then some moment can upend everything and doesn't realize that poor Tim's listening to that, going, oh, you don't know how right you are, sister.

Speaker 4 Well, because we are, I am about to go to jail unless I shoot myself at the end of the section.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's going to have a tough time later in bed when he hears what she has to say about facing the feedback back home.

Speaker 1 You know, she says, people are going to say we're bad parents.

Speaker 3 And he goes, I wouldn't worry about that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of other things to worry about.

Speaker 3 I have a Tim question for you guys.

Speaker 2 Did you

Speaker 2 obviously he's in his haze, right? He's in this cloud for so many different reasons: the on the heels of the phone call, learning he's going to go to jail, the drugs, all of it.

Speaker 2 But did you, were you expecting at all, like that he would actually say, Piper, I support you. You should move abroad and live your life away from the blowback of my impending shame.

Speaker 2 That he would actually welcome a member of his family. And I was kind of expecting that a little bit, though I don't, not fully, because the other part of this is like

Speaker 2 it's one more defeat where he has to like yet again grapple with the fact that his family is just shattering around him, his legacy is shattering around him.

Speaker 1 Something that, yeah, something that Jason Isaac said on the official podcast, he was talking about how, um, first of all, Piper is his favorite child, clearly, is Tim's favorite.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that he, that she can do no wrong, that anything she wants, she's like the princess, she can have whatever she wants, which is, uh, by the way, what Saxon accused her of earlier. Yep.

Speaker 1 Um, and then also that, like, all of this is bullshit. He's like,

Speaker 1 she's not staying here. Saxon's not going back to the office.
Like, none of, nothing is happening for them in the future as far as Tim is concerned right now. But here's my question for you.

Speaker 1 And Rob and I did talk about this.

Speaker 1 On a show like White Lotus, where there's never consequences for the extremely rich, do you think there's a possibility that this whole thing hounding Tim just like blows over before the season's over?

Speaker 4 Good question, but no, I don't.

Speaker 4 I think that, I think that's, it's too,

Speaker 4 they're too far down the road with it. Like, we're going to be like, oh, it turns out Kenny Nguyen was

Speaker 4 full shit and you're off the hook now. I can't imagine they would do that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just like, Mike White just like really likes to let rich people off the hook as a commentary for the fact that rich people get off the hook all the time.
So,

Speaker 4 you know, it's a good theory, though. I like it.

Speaker 1 To like watch him spin out for a week and then nothing happened.

Speaker 2 Totally imbalances.

Speaker 4 They cut a deal and he does not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, specifically because he doesn't have his phone. Like, that's actually part of why that feels possible.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have the latest update that, like, everything's fine.

Speaker 2 He's got a gun to his temple. If Vicky hadn't opened the door, is he alive?

Speaker 2 And then makes it through the next couple days, finds out he's okay, and goes back to the same life of privilege and getting away with white-collar crime.

Speaker 3 Speaking of Jason Isaacs, yeah, it's

Speaker 3 been waiting for episode four.

Speaker 3 The penis.

Speaker 4 We had a big debate in episode four about stunt or real. I'm always in this, I think they go stunt every time or some sort of fluff.
You said real, Mal said real. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Some of your deep dive research, some emails. What did you hear?

Speaker 4 We did hear from some listeners.

Speaker 1 We heard from a lot of listeners that occasionally, apparently, most men in the UK are not circumcised. So we got a lot of emails saying that helps the

Speaker 3 real case. No, stunt case.
Okay. Oh, however, Mallory is a counter-move, which is Jason Isaacs is a Jewish man.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 being circumcised, to me, is part of the proof that that is actually his dick.

Speaker 4 That's all you have?

Speaker 4 What do you mean? You have a week of research. That's the only thing that Jason Isaacs is Jewish.
That's

Speaker 3 responding specifically to her mind.

Speaker 3 My cry. I have the answer.
I know. You were kidding us days ago.
You had the answer. You guys go.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the episode.

Speaker 3 And I was just there. I just want to say really quickly.
I was just responding to Joanna's point on surface.

Speaker 1 I just want to say really quickly, thank you for that.

Speaker 3 I just want to say really quickly.

Speaker 1 The amount of restraint that we have shown for the sake of content, not asking you right away what the answer was. It said, reveal it on the pod bill.

Speaker 4 Our texting has been like barren of any details. Would you think we're like really?

Speaker 2 The interviews off of episode four are out. And so I would say we know the answer simply because not a single interview has included the line.

Speaker 2 It was a prosthetic, which everybody says when they wear a prosthetic.

Speaker 2 So it's real.

Speaker 2 That's my deductive reasoning.

Speaker 4 What's the answer? So because they didn't mention that it was actually him, you think it's real?

Speaker 2 I think because they didn't mention that it was a prosthetic, it's real.

Speaker 4 Any last thoughts before I tell you the answer?

Speaker 1 I still say it's real.

Speaker 4 Prosthetic.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah.
Devastating. Jeez.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Thanks for doing that research, though, Bill.

Speaker 3 I really appreciate you. I tell you,

Speaker 3 what does that go big or go home quote mean then? What was that about?

Speaker 1 It's not prosthetic every season, right? It was prosthetic for Steve James. Steve James, yeah, and Steve's on.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 The lack of balls were to the clue.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you really were.

Speaker 1 However, Vlad, Vlad in this episode.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 That's got to be real. That thing was

Speaker 3 swinging. Yeah, that's it all around.
That was real. That's got to be real.
That's a whole package.

Speaker 2 Is everyone current on Shorzy season four?

Speaker 3 Why?

Speaker 3 Is that technically the helicoptering?

Speaker 2 Helicoptering is a big plot in Shorzy season four, or do you have to be holding your dick and swinging it for it to be helicopter? What's helicoptering this is what i'm asking

Speaker 2 would

Speaker 3 vladicate oh

Speaker 1 helicoptering or do you actually have to hold your dick i cannot wait jason no that's the last while your husband texts you about this episode and my question is is next week finally going to be the episode where mallory doesn't make hand gestures i mean it depends on what you know the show gives us to work with we played all the hits in this episode we had we have that long Sam Rockwell story.

Speaker 4 Yep. We had nudity in the pool on both sides.
We sure did. We We had brothers kissing.

Speaker 3 Like this show was really cool.

Speaker 2 I thought we were going to get another dick at the end in the Jacqueline sex scene, but we didn't.

Speaker 3 Not yet. It seemed like when,

Speaker 4 yeah, we can get to that. But yeah, it seemed like they were setting up for the wide shot.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 He looked down right before he took off his pants and I was like, we are about to get another dick, but the last.

Speaker 4 Speaking of the fancies.

Speaker 1 Condolences.

Speaker 4 Yeah, sorry. Sorry about you and Jason.
I know you're eluding the dreams.

Speaker 2 Hey, I suppose everybody making the choice that they think is right for them.

Speaker 1 Good for him.

Speaker 4 So the the fancy cougars were out with the Russians.

Speaker 3 Boy, were they?

Speaker 4 One of the great things about this episode is not knowing where it was going to go. And because it's the white lotus, your mind is racing to like all the possible terrible ways it could go.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And actually, none of them went that way, but it went exactly how we said from the beginning, which is that Jacqueline was going to push Valentin on Lori and then fuck him herself.

Speaker 2 A number of episode one predictions bore fruit here in episode five. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What was the guy from Game of Thrones? What was his part?

Speaker 2 The Magnar Fen.

Speaker 3 magnar fen said my parents are dead and my sister's a bitch that really made me laugh honestly he's really great i'm really obsessed with your like arnold switzeneger

Speaker 3 it's just my the same exercise can we hear you doing exercise with tires exercise with tires

Speaker 3 they're all like oh yeah we were dancers and kate's like i played softball and he's like i did like flip tires exercise with tires oh crossfit should we should we dance

Speaker 4 she's jacqueline's just dying to get out there and strut her stuff she just wants to get

Speaker 2 potential from anyone that I would drop dead.

Speaker 3 How about Carrie Kuhn's dancing?

Speaker 4 It was great.

Speaker 3 Okay, credible. Like, really, like, 10 out of 10.

Speaker 1 I have, okay, I have multiple things about this. First of all, I think underrated greatness actually is Leslie Bibbs' terrible dancing.

Speaker 3 The face escaped. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Great stuff.

Speaker 3 Carrie Kuhn, great dancer. There are some moves that were a little like.

Speaker 1 Julia Styles saved the last dance, a little like top that teen witch. Yeah.
You know, a little like

Speaker 3 white girl hip-hop. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But overall, shooking him in and then kicking him. That was wonderful.
Great stuff.

Speaker 3 Great stuff. Really good scene.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Electric. Did you guys think when Jacqueline was looking at the three women watching that she was like, I they know I'm famous.
It's not just that they think I'm hot and I look great.

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 3 They know I'm famous and they want.

Speaker 2 She wanted this to get back to Harrison.

Speaker 1 No, she felt judged by them.

Speaker 4 Yeah. She's like, I'm here.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, she's like, yeah. No, she was like, they were looking, they were like looking and like laughing and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 It was very much like Jacqueline at the retiree pool is the way those girls were looking at her.

Speaker 4 And so then she was like, older lady dancing with them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, look at those old women dancing with those guys. And so she just, yeah, so she just like smeared herself on Alexi

Speaker 1 and grabbed Valentin to be like, I'm hot and I deserve to be out of here. That was my interpretation of what that was.

Speaker 4 Well, the Russians bought them shots.

Speaker 4 And watching it the first time, it's like, this is

Speaker 4 I was thinking Rehypnal.

Speaker 3 Rehypnaly, there might be something in the shots, especially when they were like pressuring.

Speaker 4 But when Carrie Kuhn does the second one,

Speaker 4 then I was like, oh my God, she's going to actually like, yeah.

Speaker 3 But nothing.

Speaker 2 And then they toasted to Shia LaBeouf and they.

Speaker 4 And then the three Russian ladies came over and started shit with all the guys, and they decided to go back to the villa.

Speaker 2 Genuinely scary moment from Alexi in that stretch. That was alarming.

Speaker 1 Kate wants to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Deeply relate.

Speaker 2 I think we should just go to bed. Time to go to bed.

Speaker 1 Mallory and I were like, that's us.

Speaker 1 And she's, she's lodging her objection. She's like, should we just call it a night?

Speaker 2 Like, haven't we done enough?

Speaker 1 And Jacqueline doesn't even dignify this with a response or a conversation because Jaclyn's like, this is my vacation and you're just my sidekicks.

Speaker 1 So whatever I want to have happen is what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 Kate's a really good character because

Speaker 4 you may or may not know a couple Kates. Sure.

Speaker 4 They're for the fun, but not 100%.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're to have a great time, but not really.

Speaker 4 Are we make sure we're getting home at a decent hour? It's in the back of their head the whole time. And they don't want to miss anything, but they're also not going to unleash.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 PJ's at the pool party. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, she literally says later, like, we're old ladies. And Jacqueline is, of course, appalled and horrified.
And that's the exact idea that she's rebelling at.

Speaker 3 Jacqueline who is like passed out.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wakes herself up to be like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 I mean, fuck up. She's off against the pool chase.

Speaker 2 She barely could keep her eyes open when she was about to have sex, which was obviously quite disturbing. That was alarming.

Speaker 4 Well, they go back to the villa.

Speaker 2 They sure do.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 we'll actually hold that because it ties into what's happening on the boat.

Speaker 3 We'll go to

Speaker 2 an edited sequence cutting back. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Before we go to Blenda,

Speaker 4 the Russians as a threesome. I feel like this could have gone wrong from...
a writing standpoint, from a casting standpoint. But I actually really enjoyed the Russians.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 Are they dangerous? Are they not? Did they commit the robbery? They probably did.

Speaker 4 Are they going to be in some crazy Muay Thai fight tomorrow yeah and somebody's eyeball is going to get yanked out maybe well i think they said it was their friend

Speaker 2 yeah yeah so there's another member of the group still which is interesting and obviously they have this larger social circle there because of the three women that come up to the table to yell at them so yeah i think vlad is really the key there because val and alexi are just a little too it's you couldn't really even for a second stop thinking that they were working them and vlad in some ways is the the scariest like he's the muscle i mean they all have great muscles but like he was just such effective comic relief yeah that it was impossible not to enjoy those scenes and the the out like the odd man out in each of the trios the fact that vlad and kate are like paired was a great touch um

Speaker 1 first of all i want to um

Speaker 1 say alexi i'm really disappointed because i think he promised us that snake tattoo went all the way down

Speaker 3 and you know now absolutely did not

Speaker 2 their word is trash

Speaker 1 advertising barely anywhere but as you mentioned their muscles i looked it up julian who plays alexi Julian Kostoff, holds over 60 medals as a professional swimmer, including a bronze medal at the Balkan Games, 2007.

Speaker 1 And then Arnas, who plays

Speaker 3 Valentin. Son of WB.

Speaker 1 I would watch the Balkan Games. That sounds interesting to me.
And Arnas, who plays Valentin, is a boxer.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Going to Belinda quickly.

Speaker 4 It's been a rough Belinda season. Do you think so? Got kind of one plot.

Speaker 4 She finally tells Fabian about Greg Gary.

Speaker 1 I loved this, actually.

Speaker 4 The guy that's asking about me. I know him.

Speaker 4 Big mistake. I think we've set up Fabian as some sort of a villain, correct?

Speaker 1 I think he's just like, this is, okay, we met all those criminals on the yacht and their young girlfriends. This is the idea that this is a haven for

Speaker 2 criminal activity.

Speaker 1 People who are criminals, who are escaping the repercussions, come to the white lake.

Speaker 4 He just knows the game and he doesn't. It's almost like he doesn't want to know.

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

Speaker 4 It's interesting because I took it as

Speaker 4 he's in the Greg Gary pick.

Speaker 1 No, no, I think he's just like, he just doesn't want anything to be ruffled. He's like, you might be mistaken.
We shouldn't be gossiping about guests. P.S.
He's not a guest, but okay, Fabian. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some of the guests have colorful pasts, right?

Speaker 3 So it's just like, but then he ends it with, I think you'll survive.

Speaker 2 I think it's like that kind of

Speaker 1 insidious evil where he's not like a villain villain.

Speaker 2 he just wants everything to be calm and and does not want to ruffle in gossip yeah yeah well like he's too closely he told guy talk last episode like your job is to protect the hotel so this is his version of that right it's about the like what it when he

Speaker 2 His greeting to the guests was the most effusive, like, this is the finest hotel in the world that we had seen through three seasons.

Speaker 2 And we heard when he sat down with Citala, like, this kind of thing was not encouraged in my home. This is like a haven of some sort for him that is distinct from where he came before.

Speaker 2 And it struck me as like very contrary to

Speaker 2 last season. Like, we have three really distinct versions of the hotel manager.
And last season, like, if we think about the response to the situation, I like the shading in the suitcase.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's my saddle. It's honestly like everyone is in Arman's shadow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Everyone is in Arman's shadow for sure. But like

Speaker 2 when Lucia and Mia

Speaker 2 penetrated the hotel

Speaker 1 in Sicily,

Speaker 2 it was like, this is an affront to decency and dignity. So Fabian is in the exact opposite.
He's like, this is actually a kind of a haven for depravity.

Speaker 2 Come here with your sins and be who you are and we will protect that.

Speaker 3 It's nice to get different versions of that.

Speaker 1 But you think, do you think he's being set up for what's your Fabian theory?

Speaker 4 I'm just raising a flag. Okay.
I wonder if Greg Gary, you know, he looks out for him a little bit.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Something didn't sit right with him.

Speaker 1 Doesn't help that this guy recently played a notorious film Nazi, right?

Speaker 3 That vibe doesn't help. Okay.
I didn't know that part. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I also thought.

Speaker 4 We need some sort of bad person who works for the hotel this season. There's somebody in there.

Speaker 2 Valentine is leading a crime round to the hotel. I think we have that.

Speaker 3 Maybe.

Speaker 4 Or just maybe he likes to have fun.

Speaker 3 Could be. Could be.

Speaker 4 Maybe he's just a good butler. Let's take care of him.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He went in like the span of mere hours, I believe, across those two episodes from being like, I can't leave it all to like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 not only will we take you to the club, but we'll definitely come back and like fucking repair in the room.

Speaker 4 Um, also, wasn't he the one that did the yeah, the energy healing, energy, he's an energy healer.

Speaker 2 It is something I do.

Speaker 3 Um, I thought that Fabian also basically you love Valentin, he's your guy,

Speaker 3 he's a lot of good qualities, he's grown on me as well.

Speaker 2 Um, I thought that Fabian was basically acting like a pimp. That to me was the much more sinister thing, right?

Speaker 1 He's basically taking a liking to you, yeah.

Speaker 2 He's like kind of saying to Belinda, like this rich loser who has a really hot girlfriend, like maybe wants to fuck you. And she's like, he wants to kill me.
And Fabian is like, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Rich, high-profile guy, go for it.

Speaker 1 They think he killed his wife.

Speaker 3 I'll send you a link. That was great.
Please do. Cause I'm having a hard time following.

Speaker 2 I actually like that as like a meta, meta commentary on.

Speaker 2 This show is supposed to be standalone each season and now we're three seasons into one plot line carrying a cross. And it's like, is it actually something that is a touch convolution?

Speaker 1 But I also just love when she was like, Blah, blah, Greg, and he's like, Gary,

Speaker 4 well, later,

Speaker 4 Blinda's guy comes to her room. Born shy.

Speaker 2 Love it.

Speaker 4 She's an iguana banner dresser, and they end up having sex, which we do not see. No, I would rank her plot as the least interesting out of all the plots.

Speaker 1 But on a scale of one to ten, how is

Speaker 1 there might be a murderer after me?

Speaker 1 There is a giant lizard in

Speaker 4 lifetime, any chance, anytime.

Speaker 1 There's a giant lizard in my villa, and my son won't be here tomorrow as like a pickup line.

Speaker 3 Yes,

Speaker 3 stay the night.

Speaker 2 Fuck me tonight because my son's coming tomorrow is definitely a move.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's kind of a weird one, but it's a move. I did find her

Speaker 2 stumbling, super nervous. Like, do you, this is consent? Do you guys do that here? We just started.
Very charming.

Speaker 3 Oh, I thought it was

Speaker 3 very sweet.

Speaker 1 I just think, I think if you're, if you're, if you're struggling out there, maybe there's a murderer after me. Will you stay the night? Could be a move to try.

Speaker 4 Can you at least cuddle?

Speaker 4 Let's go to the boat.

Speaker 3 Great.

Speaker 3 Finally.

Speaker 1 Just brothers being brothers.

Speaker 3 Brothers.

Speaker 3 Brotherly love.

Speaker 4 Here's a little secret, Locky. They just want to be used.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Some life advice from Saxon.

Speaker 2 Awesome. Life advice that young Locky is going to use on Saxon in mere moments.
Right.

Speaker 3 So. Mirror hours.

Speaker 4 Chloe loves young guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Some little magicians.

Speaker 4 They finish and look and

Speaker 3 She likes to see their hearts. Little rabbits.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 She likes to see their little heart pounding out of their chest.

Speaker 3 She's a riot. She's great.

Speaker 1 I'm a fresh breeze, baby.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 1 Mirror hours before he's going to smooch his brother.

Speaker 2 I would say his brother smooched him.

Speaker 1 He didn't break the kiss.

Speaker 3 He seemed very right away.

Speaker 4 You're jumping ahead.

Speaker 4 With the Chloe piece. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The Chloe piece, because we like to take little pieces that we can take maybe for the final episode when shit goes down.

Speaker 4 When I was modeling, all the girls who were romantic ended up broke or brokenhearted, dot dot dot, or worse.

Speaker 1 What's worse?

Speaker 4 So, what does that mean? Dead, another death.

Speaker 1 Well, it's too much.

Speaker 4 So, what does she know? Because she's like, I feel like Gary killed his wife, could kill me, killed his wife. She mentioned that last episode.

Speaker 3 He could kill me.

Speaker 1 And this, that line was about Chelsea. Yeah, yeah, she was like, You're romantic.
Every model that I knew was romantic,

Speaker 1 wound up broke or brokenhearted.

Speaker 4 And she's trying to piece together her puzzle:

Speaker 4 she met this guy on Dubai Tinder.

Speaker 3 she

Speaker 3 she knows he might have killed his

Speaker 4 might have killed his wife that's in play yeah she worked in a business where people ended up dead

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 4 and Greg Gary used to have sex with her a lot and now three times a day now he's a fucking monk well

Speaker 2 I think this works yet again on both levels it's like another death harbinger for Chelsea we've had one at least one every single episode but also Chelsea who we love we get the amazing he's like my child, he's 50.

Speaker 3 You're plastic, baby, Yoda.

Speaker 2 It's like he's 50.

Speaker 3 But the

Speaker 2 Chelsea responding to broken, brokenhearted with what's worse,

Speaker 2 that actually does tell us something about her. What's worse than being broke? Like she is now accustomed to a certain lifestyle, right? So losing Rick is losing that lifestyle.

Speaker 2 And that is not something that she wants to. Oh,

Speaker 3 that's not my take on Chelsea at all.

Speaker 1 You think she's materialistic?

Speaker 2 I don't think of her that way.

Speaker 3 That's why it struck me because it's like even chelsea that's why i thought even chelsea character who we think of is kind of like yeah i didn't think either i thought it was more like that was like her identity was being with rick i think that we had brokenhearted or worse and she was like what's worse what's worse than being brokenhearted Sure, there's that.

Speaker 2 But like, I think it's interesting that Chelsea feels really separate from that. Like she's pure.
She's driven by love and connection.

Speaker 2 And yet, like, when we get all of the villators, she's the one who's like, we should always live like this. Like, even Chelsea has been corrupted by tasting a lifestyle.

Speaker 3 I think it's definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think it's true that everyone in White Lotus is susceptible to that.
I just think,

Speaker 1 I really do think that Chelsea's motivation is like

Speaker 1 this hippie

Speaker 3 soul connection. For sure.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that's her motivation. I'm saying that like even somebody who's not motivated by that is swept up in it at a certain point.

Speaker 4 Well, Saxon gives us, it's better to go for what you want in life and get rejected than have the shot and not take it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Which is

Speaker 3 a little similar to the wayne gretz i was gonna say yeah it's a gretz what's that one though very sporty you miss 100 of the shots you don't take very that's a sports quote

Speaker 4 sure and i knew it just wanted everyone to know and then lackey says this is when they're paired off two and two what if this life is just a test to see if we can become better people that's buddhism and saxon goes what no no she's horrified by that

Speaker 1 yeah moment that was great um that's that's the that's the sort of my understanding uh please do emailing me if i get buddhism wrong but like the idea of buddhism is you you every life you purify yourself towards nirvana so the idea is like each time sort of like quantum leap you're trying to be a better like each time you're trying to be a better

Speaker 4 better person on paper probably the the best sales job for a religion just keep living your life and trying to widow wait a little bit better yeah

Speaker 4 so you just keep get to keep coming back yeah

Speaker 4 now it's like i just want to come back as a cat once

Speaker 2 i think i have one life that's it just just one one life for me here's here's what i thought was like the most

Speaker 4 there's a lot of telling three yeah three and which one are you i think you just become like a plant which one are you on that sounds kind of nice i feel like i'm on the second one i feel like i'm also on my second yeah

Speaker 4 one more to go one more that's it sounds good make the best out of this one um

Speaker 1 one day i'm gonna take you down yeah is what Lachlan says to Saxon. Yeah.
And there's something

Speaker 1 in their dynamic that is just sort of like he

Speaker 1 is attracted to his brother. I think we've known that since episode one in its own way, but also like hates his brother.
Do you know, like that, that's in the mix. This idea of like, I want to be you.

Speaker 1 I want to have sex with you possibly. And also, it's a very white lotus sort of like Jackie Shauna thing.
And also just like, I hate you. You're constantly tormenting me at the same time, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And that like

Speaker 2 very shortly after that, Saxon's response, because that was like the

Speaker 2 nominally about the beer right who would say oh I need you to like pace yourself Let them get messy senior bro

Speaker 2 and then you know shortly thereafter Locky like immediately takes the pill from Chloe and Saxon is horrified and you have one beat where you think well It is technically his job as the older brother to be like protecting him make sure he's safe.

Speaker 2 But really there are two things in the mix there one he locky is just not listening to the he's not following through on the plan that Saxon just said.

Speaker 2 But more broadly then Saxon just has to confront time and time again across this episode: like

Speaker 2 Lockheed's his own person, he operates outside of Saxon's control.

Speaker 2 And not only does he operate outside of his control, he is preparing to conquer Saxon, like to turn this around on him completely to be the one who is in control of the situation in a way that Saxon is not prepared for.

Speaker 1 Do you have siblings?

Speaker 4 No, okay,

Speaker 4 I don't.

Speaker 1 I was gonna ask a creepy question about it.

Speaker 4 It's just I don't know any any brother combo that would even go within 2% of this. No.

Speaker 4 That's why

Speaker 4 this felt.

Speaker 4 I'll just do this now. This felt like a whiff unrealistic to me.

Speaker 3 But this is Mike White's White Lotus.

Speaker 4 Just the whole thing.

Speaker 4 It's just, I don't know where this is going.

Speaker 4 But I did like quotes like Saxon doesn't do drugs. I am the drug woo.

Speaker 4 I love third person.

Speaker 4 Saxon was, they were running out of ways to make him a complete douche, and they were like, third person could work.

Speaker 1 Big dog on the space cat. Space cat is the name of the boat, but he, of course, is the big dog.

Speaker 4 What did you find? How much did it cost?

Speaker 1 $160K a week to charter the space cat.

Speaker 4 Well, we get a drunk drugs montage. We get all the naked Russians in the pool with the fancies.
Yep. We get the brothers dancing with Chelsea and Chloe.

Speaker 4 It's starting to feel mating ritualist. I wrote down.
Like it's just, there's clothes. We're underwater in the pool.

Speaker 3 Just spinning out of control sort of thing.

Speaker 4 Carrie Koon goes topless.

Speaker 4 It really seemed like she was going to take on two guys in a scene in her room. That did not happen.
Should have hung up with them.

Speaker 1 Instead, she wanted to tell them what a badass lawyer she is.

Speaker 3 That was very good.

Speaker 4 I don't know if they love that. And then

Speaker 4 the brothers are getting whipped something.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, she said.

Speaker 4 Oh, when she's talking to the Russians, I did get worried like we were going to a dark place for a second. Like her and the two guys.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's like, oh, man. But it was fine.
She went to bed.

Speaker 3 Um, went to scratch her ass while Jacqueline,

Speaker 1 before she went to scratch her ass and snore a little bit, the dance, she was like feeling herself so much.

Speaker 2 Very sad.

Speaker 3 She really sucks. Jacqueline sucks.
She does.

Speaker 4 Um,

Speaker 4 and then we have the late night boat red. It feels like there's a swimming disaster for a second.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're gonna be off the jumping office.

Speaker 4 Like, John's like, oh my god, did somebody hit their head? That doesn't happen. Yeah.
Chelsea's talking about bad things happening to her. Chloe's ready to have a forsome.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Should we all just fucked?

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 4 we have a little kiss contest.

Speaker 4 The brothers kiss. So

Speaker 4 what's the ramifications of this going to be?

Speaker 4 The do the thing where we the next day we don't remember it happened.

Speaker 1 Is this where the night ends? That's my question.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 didn't seem like it was over, right?

Speaker 2 I think that Locky, it was

Speaker 2 Saxon, like rubbing his hands in his

Speaker 2 He's bleary-eyed. He's confused.

Speaker 3 He's like, speaking of what's happening, lack of consent. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What is happening? Like,

Speaker 2 the girls are laughing, but Saxon looked genuinely disturbed by what was unfolding. Is that because he's like, wait, this is not okay? Or is that because he's like, what am I feeling?

Speaker 2 But the single most striking shot in the entire episode to me is Locky's face after that because he's just like.

Speaker 2 experiencing a moment of not only a desire but like power he's very proud yeah he's like i took the thing i want you've been telling me to and I did. And it was really fucked up and weird.

Speaker 2 I would like to ask you guys where this falls. We'll keep it just to HBO Sunday nights on your HBO Sunday night incest power rankings.

Speaker 4 Oh my God. I mean,

Speaker 4 friggin' Jamie

Speaker 3 in the top spot.

Speaker 4 Doggy style. This has to be one.

Speaker 2 That's number one. Where would you put this comparison?

Speaker 4 I think that's one, two, and three.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 what about Jimmy and his mom?

Speaker 4 I guess the 1300s were different, though. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 It's true.

Speaker 2 Jimmy and his mom boardwalk, that's tough to match.

Speaker 1 This is the research value I was doing this last week, Googling HBO Incest Month.

Speaker 3 I didn't have to Google any of it.

Speaker 3 Octavian and Octavian on Rome.

Speaker 2 That's a great one. Obviously, the list of thrones and...

Speaker 3 Did they do anything on Curb?

Speaker 2 The list of thrones and House of the Dragon alone, you know, we could get dozens deep. Obviously, Damon and Raniera.
This doesn't even really crack the top five. It doesn't even crack the top 10.

Speaker 4 It was a kiss that lasted long enough to to make me uncomfortable, but it wasn't like they weren't sucking face for like 20 seconds.

Speaker 2 But Lockheed goes back in for the long

Speaker 4 genuinely just long enough to be weird.

Speaker 1 I usually hate these exercises, but I will say this. If the genders are switched in this scene, this is like

Speaker 1 one of the most horrific things.

Speaker 1 If a girl was like rubbing her eyes and drugged out of her mind, and there were two guys on the couch laughing and sort of like cheering and on and stuff like that, that is horrifying.

Speaker 3 This is horrifying.

Speaker 1 Like, it's, it's like, and I like that. I don't like it, but I like that a character like Saxon, a character,

Speaker 1 Schwarzenegger's great, a character I hate.

Speaker 3 I hate this guy.

Speaker 1 They're putting him in this extremely vulnerable place in a way that like makes me really invested in what happens next for him.

Speaker 3 Even like he got peer-pressured into doing drugs. Like, he didn't want to do the drugs.

Speaker 2 He did. We have everything.
You know, we had the moment earlier in the season where Tim was like, I don't do drugs. And Saxon's like, me neither.

Speaker 2 And Piper's like, dude, you crush Adderall all the time. And he's like, just to do work, just to be good at my job.
We're seeing what's happening with Tim.

Speaker 2 Like, these men say they don't do this thing, and then they become swept up in a very alarming way and something that they're quite susceptible to.

Speaker 2 So there was just a lot of stuff in the episode where Saxon, not a character we had any empathy before previously, is like in this deeply vulnerable place.

Speaker 2 I thought, in terms of where we cut off and like that point about not knowing what comes next,

Speaker 2 these are not incest examples. To be clear, these are not incest examples.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 2 because we don't know, like, do they end up sleeping together? Does something happen after that?

Speaker 4 I think they're so fucked up that it ends up.

Speaker 2 There was a little bit of a like itu, mama, tombie and or like challengers aspect to it, right? Where you're just like, again, remove the incest from it.

Speaker 2 In theory, somebody, it's that sexual situation is supposed to be about somebody else. And then.
Oh.

Speaker 3 A thousand percent.

Speaker 3 The question is.

Speaker 2 Is it going to be gravitate towards you?

Speaker 1 Here's my main question because I actually have no doubt in my mind that

Speaker 1 some upsetting combination of people are about to have sex on this boat.

Speaker 1 Schwarzenegger posted a great thing on Twitter where it's like him and Sam Navola, who plays Lachlan. It's just the two of them.

Speaker 3 He's like, what could happen on what bad could happen on a boat?

Speaker 1 Actually, my question right now is, is Chelsea involved? Because I would like Chelsea to not be involved. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 So it could be one of those white Lotus things where there's just an immense amount of regret nine hours later because of the decisions that are about to be involved. Because

Speaker 1 I would like no one to be involved. I would clearly not like brothers

Speaker 3 on the board or whatever. But let's go to that.

Speaker 3 Yes, let's do this. Yeah, Kate was right.
Kate is always not

Speaker 3 about the election.

Speaker 3 Tomorrow's a good day.

Speaker 4 Got a big movie Thai fight tomorrow.

Speaker 1 But I think that

Speaker 1 Chelsea calling Rick and him not picking up, and then Rick calling Chelsea and her not picking up.

Speaker 1 That shot is so good when it's the phone and then like Carl's throwing his legs in the air and stuff like that. But is Chelsea going to do something she regrets on this boat?

Speaker 2 I don't think so ultimately, because at the end of the day, Chelsea, when she said, when they had the funny but alarming classic white lotus conversation about, well, you think he'd kill you?

Speaker 2 No, oh, Gary would kill me.

Speaker 3 What did Chelsea say?

Speaker 2 She's like, I just actually would feel really bad.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, exactly. Well, that's like that's where the stakes are high.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And all, but she feels really different.
And a reason that draws us to her from Jacqueline, where Jacqueline's like, I feel betrayed. So now I will hurt this person, Harrison.

Speaker 3 Well, don't we need a moral compass? That's not Chelsea.

Speaker 4 We need a moral compass in every season, right? It feels like Chelsea's the moral compass.

Speaker 3 Season one is the Dodario character. Mike White thinks it's no,

Speaker 3 definitely not.

Speaker 2 Who is it? Probably Quinn.

Speaker 1 Mike White thinks it's Melinda this season.

Speaker 3 That's who he says is the moral one.

Speaker 4 I like Dodario.

Speaker 3 She goes back to Winnie. She goes back to her husband who she didn't love.
Bad for her.

Speaker 3 Well, I felt bad for her until she went back to Chelsea.

Speaker 4 But she knew right from wrong for most of the episodes and then kind of begrudgingly ended up in this life that she didn't want to begin with.

Speaker 1 But then I like lose, then I lose my life.

Speaker 4 Chelsea.

Speaker 3 Maybe. Wow, maybe.
But

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 3 They're all complex.

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Speaker 4 Our guy, Sam Rockwell. who moved to Thailand because he had Think for Asian girls and became insatiable and then questioned desire.
What is desire?

Speaker 4 I could fuck a million women and never be satisfied. Maybe what I want is to be one of those Asian girls.
And we just go and we go. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And we go.

Speaker 2 And we go.

Speaker 4 And we keep going. Yep.

Speaker 3 I am her and I am fucking me.

Speaker 4 Guys would wheel the shit out of me. I'd hire an Asian girl.
I'd look in her eyes and say, I am her.

Speaker 4 I'm fucking me. But then he ends the whole monologue and he goes,

Speaker 4 Hey, we have we all have our Achilles heels.

Speaker 2 yep sex is and goggins is like still miss that pussy man

Speaker 2 wild um yeah incredible stuff from goggins so

Speaker 3 is this it for rockwell or do we see him again no i think definitely definitely back gives him the bag with a gun yeah

Speaker 1 has to play the director needs him to come back to play a role yeah yeah which so what do you think play a role means well so when he was yeah when he was talking to sitala back when he was originally starting his com he's like i got a friend who's a director in bangkok to gain access to her husband, Jim Hollinger, who

Speaker 3 believes with his dad, but we think it's his dad's dad. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he mentions how he got into Buddhism. One thing I was thinking about with this show is people assuming different identities.
Yeah. It's a weird season.
It's a weird thing about this season. 100%.

Speaker 4 You have Greg Gary.

Speaker 4 You have this guy talking about it. You have Rick, who's about to

Speaker 4 go one way or the other. You have Lockheed trying to figure out his identity.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 You have Jason Isaacs, whose identity is about to end.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 Well, no, no, but he lost his identity because like his identity was, I'm a big swinging dick. I'm like the provider.
I'm the dad.

Speaker 1 I'm the leader at the club. I'm a pillar of the community.
I come from this lineage and now I'm nothing.

Speaker 3 I'm poor and broke.

Speaker 2 That was what was so sad about him trying to compel Saxon to turn over his phone by being like, we can figure out how to provide something more and having to confront that like he didn't actually feel like he had that.

Speaker 2 But that book, we talked about this last week, but that book that Piper is reading and that comes back into play in this episode so memorably, like, identity

Speaker 2 that we hear is, yeah, identity is a prison.

Speaker 4 Well, so Zion's no man is spared this prison. Yeah, Zion's coming in episode six, I would assume.
Yeah, and his son, yep.

Speaker 4 So, what's and then we see him in one of those therapy sessions at the beginning of the day.

Speaker 1 She said, just come on in. That's what she said.

Speaker 1 She said, just come straight to the villa.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she is an overnight guest.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But how long is the flight from Maui to Thailand?

Speaker 4 A thousand hours? I mean, that just seems like that would be the longest flight ever.

Speaker 2 Take him a while to get there, I guess. Well, no.

Speaker 4 Is there any way to Thailand that's not 20 hours?

Speaker 4 This is one of the many reasons I'll never

Speaker 4 find out.

Speaker 2 One day and one hour, according to Google.

Speaker 4 How do you think Sam Rockwell

Speaker 4 and our guy Rick, like what's what do you think the whole background of those?

Speaker 1 Conmen. They used to party together.
Yeah. He he used to party wildly.

Speaker 3 Where do you think they lived?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, no, no home base.

Speaker 4 Citizens of Louis. Just bounce around, like Texas, California.

Speaker 1 Well, like, where did they start?

Speaker 2 Can't go to Australia, had to leave the states, like the West and the South.

Speaker 3 They made their way around. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 A couple different countries.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, no question. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But it felt like they hadn't seen each other for a few years. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So what do you think Rick's W-2 form was for the last 10 years?

Speaker 3 This and that. This and that.

Speaker 3 Okay, yeah. So Sam Rockwell, Sam Rockwell's Californian.

Speaker 1 And I was just, I was just curious. Walton Goggins, Southern Boy.

Speaker 4 Anything else we want to say about Sam Rockwell? Anything Mike White was trying to do with that monologue that I might have missed?

Speaker 2 Shock and dismay, and like, not dismay, but like shock people.

Speaker 1 Shock people with two brothers kissing, shock people with this monologue

Speaker 1 from Sam Rockwell. And I'm still trying to figure out, like, I love this show.
I'm still trying to figure out what it is Mike White is trying to do with this.

Speaker 1 Like, he's he's given interviews about it, but like, this idea that he wants to make queer sex transgressive and shocking.

Speaker 1 I still don't fully understand what his motivation is behind it, but that is something that he wants.

Speaker 1 He wants to just like, he, why don't you call it borderline edge lord mentality is what he called it about himself. And so, I just think that that's well, don't you think

Speaker 4 part of that ties in with how he came up with this whole idea when he was in like a fever dream in Thailand? Yeah, but maybe this whole season is like just a crazy fever dream.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think the fee.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm sure he'll talk about it more after the season or maybe not.

Speaker 2 But like the fever dream part of it feels like all of the particular trappings of how to interrogate the core themes that he's been interested in since day one.

Speaker 2 So I think that's actually what's interesting to me about the Rick and Frank conversation moving forward is like, what impact does

Speaker 2 what he just heard have on Rick? You know, the nature of desire in their circumstances is very different. But Rick is also a character who's being driven by desire, right?

Speaker 2 Like vengeance is a type of desire, the desire to avenge your family, to

Speaker 2 enact and exact revenge on the person you think has wronged you. Does what he hear, coupled with the conversations he's had with Chelsea, coupled with the sessions that he had with Amrita,

Speaker 2 balance him and pull him back when he's staring down the barrel of the gun looking into Jim Hollinger's eyes?

Speaker 1 And also this question of identity and who am I? Am I, am I the son of a vague do-gooder, like this sort of thing?

Speaker 1 Am am i the son of jim hollinger something that he might discover when when

Speaker 1 um he comes face to face with him or can i choose to be something else which is what amrita was like yeah suggesting to him is like you can break this karmic cycle you don't have to do this right now and we think scott glennis is dead i definitely think that's true

Speaker 3 um

Speaker 4 then at the end Tim's writing a suicide note with the gun on the desk. Did you think he was going to do it?

Speaker 3 I actually did.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's like, it's episode five, and it's,

Speaker 2 I mean, this is what we talked about last week, like exactly this, like that he would attempt it, but or start to attempt it, or, but something would, would halt him, which is, you know, exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 4 you haven't been acting like yourself, Tim.

Speaker 3 Oh, really? He hasn't? Thanks for checking in. He's been a fucking maniac for three episodes.

Speaker 2 But it gives us that moment earlier in the season of him being driven to that point of

Speaker 2 supreme desperation, feeling like he had no other path forward. And then now three episodes to potentially make a different decision.
But also that gun is in that room.

Speaker 1 I think it's also really interesting that like he, both he and Chelsea have this like,

Speaker 1 Chelsea has a speech to Chloe where she's like, Rick is always walking around like a sad sack. Like everything, you know, she's like, bad things have happened to me.

Speaker 1 You don't see me walking around complaining about it. First of all, we don't know anything about Chelsea's life at all.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 So like what did happen to her?

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 she's throwing herself a little bit of a pity party in that moment while she's saying

Speaker 3 you don't see me complaining at all.

Speaker 1 She's complaining right now. And then you, and then we see Tim here at the end of the episode be like, I've had all this pressure on me this whole, my whole life.

Speaker 1 There's never been a minute where I haven't been expected to, you know, achieve.

Speaker 3 From day one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, from day one. And it's just sort of like, my God, this lack of self-awareness running around.
But he is his father.

Speaker 3 His grandfather was a governor in North America. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 He's like from this like proud line of Carolinian greats. And it was interesting to hear Vicki describe him as a Boy Scout last episode to Piper.
You know, you don't know how lucky you are.

Speaker 2 And then to hear him say to Piper this episode, like, I literally was an altar boy. And to have

Speaker 3 beautiful hymns beautifully.

Speaker 2 And then we get to hear that hymn again.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But yeah, like that,

Speaker 2 the characters are all so different, but the fact that they are all grappling with that question of who am I? Who do I feel? Who has the world made me feel I have to be?

Speaker 2 And then are any of them actually

Speaker 2 able to rebel against that issue?

Speaker 3 You left that one question.

Speaker 4 Please, God, tell me what to do.

Speaker 2 Please God, tell me what to do.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That gun being in that room still makes me really nervous.

Speaker 3 Like, I do not

Speaker 1 work because you're like, a monkey's going to come in.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm like, is Saxon gonna shoot Locky?

Speaker 2 Like, is Saxon gonna find that gun and be like, what did you do to me? Like, that's completely.

Speaker 3 Poison Smoothie out.

Speaker 2 It's poison smoothie's still in.

Speaker 3 The poison story remains in until the moment the final credits are ruled.

Speaker 2 But like, you know, we are only five episodes in. five episodes is a lot but mere five hours ago we were like lucky this beautiful innocent in the center of this family tug of war

Speaker 1 that this is just dating into the appetow family in real life this guy has it all together well like this is the theme of the a lot of the visions we've seen in the opening credits of like um vulnerable animals actually becoming like sort of predators, which I think is interesting.

Speaker 1 And then the predator becoming the prey.

Speaker 1 So if you think about like Saxon in his sort of like alpha predator mode at the beginning of the season, and then like he's just stumbling around bleary-eyed, saying, Don't take advantage of me inside of this episode.

Speaker 1 I think that's really interesting and upsetting. And

Speaker 1 I am very nervous. Can I run one theory about you that I think is interesting?

Speaker 4 We're to the point of the pod, we're ready for it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, are you ready? Yeah,

Speaker 2 okay, it's a shootout.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's say it's not monkeys, okay,

Speaker 4 monkeys fighting over poisoned smoothies.

Speaker 3 What if

Speaker 2 Belinda

Speaker 1 gets in touch with Interpol? I don't know how, but like calls the authorities on Greg Gary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tim thinks the authorities are there for him. The feds are there for him.
Rick thinks the authorities are there for him because of whatever happens in Bangkok.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So police calls

Speaker 4 at least three different rooms think the police is there for them. Yeah.
Right. And Fabian.
And we have like a Tarantino shootout.

Speaker 2 And Fabian tells Hollinger's guards to shoot the Inner Palace because he's like, protect the hotel.

Speaker 3 Protect the hotel.

Speaker 2 That actually, to me, like one thing that I didn't think totally tracked in this episode, Belinda going to Fabian for help, sure. But like, you can go call the cops on your own.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 2 She doesn't actually need him to do that for her. So, but like delaying her maybe doing that until we're closer to the

Speaker 4 18 hours to fucking Google him. Like it might take her five weeks to call the cops.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I think that that supports Joe's theory because if she delays and it takes her a day or two to work up the courage to do that, or she does it next episode, it's a good idea.

Speaker 4 Really good theory, though.

Speaker 3 Another day or two for them to show up.

Speaker 1 My theory is a theory that's floating around. But I like this idea that the authorities show up.

Speaker 4 Take credit for it. I didn't know.

Speaker 3 I was really impressed.

Speaker 1 I like the theory that the authorities show up and there's so many different people who could be like, oh, shit, right.

Speaker 4 The feds are here. Not to mention, like, the Russians could be there too.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yep.
All the expats on the

Speaker 3 Russians could could be like, oh no, their cops are here because we smashed and grabbed the boutique.

Speaker 4 Well, here's what we have just for next episode.

Speaker 3 The gun.

Speaker 4 What's going to happen to it?

Speaker 4 Is it going to stay in the room?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 4 Is the night on the boat still going? Did it end?

Speaker 4 What are people going to say to each other next day? Yeah. We know we have some sort of Muay Thai fight event

Speaker 4 that people are going to go to.

Speaker 1 That the fancies are going to.

Speaker 3 We know that we might have a bunch of the hotels. Guy Talk and MOOC are going to.

Speaker 3 So a bunch of stuff there.

Speaker 2 So we think Guy Talk will spot the robbers there then.

Speaker 3 We know

Speaker 4 the fancies there's going to be some sort of what happened last night. Or we could have the Valentin leaving her room and the other one sees it.

Speaker 4 We could be in secret

Speaker 4 cat fight mode.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 1 what is it? Triangle of trust?

Speaker 4 Trust triangle is done.

Speaker 3 Yeah, how is Mario going to find out?

Speaker 2 Will she see it? Will she see the texts? Oh, Jack.

Speaker 4 She's going to finish scratching her ass.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 See him leave in the morning.

Speaker 3 Yeah. See him leave.

Speaker 4 We have the brothers hashing out whatever the hell happened with them.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 We have Belinda versus Greg Gary.

Speaker 4 And then

Speaker 4 we're in Bangkok in the magic moment with Rick. And

Speaker 3 Scott Glenn's.

Speaker 3 Way to God Glenn. We all know that.
Hope eventually Sam Rockwell coming back.

Speaker 2 We have Vicki and Tim going to the monastery. The monastery with Piper.

Speaker 1 They've told her they would go the next day.

Speaker 3 A monastery tour.

Speaker 4 So we have seven things in the air.

Speaker 2 Tim on the heels of praying to God for guidance is about to head into a monastery.

Speaker 3 Like, what impact might that have happened? I'm really excited about this.

Speaker 1 We talked about this earlier, this idea of like, is Rick open to some sort of spiritual awakening? Is Tim open to some spiritual awareness?

Speaker 4 That's weird as Rick is because the therapist was getting to us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like, is Tim Ratliff the last person on our list?

Speaker 1 Well, actually, Saxon's my last, but he was like the second to last person on my list of someone who might have a spiritual awakening at the White Lotus. Is he about to have some sort of moment?

Speaker 4 So Saxon's your number one least redeemable redeemable White Lotus character.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 3 hmm. No,

Speaker 4 who's your number one then?

Speaker 3 Greg Gary, who did a murder. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Now, Tanya was pretty annoying, though. I don't know.

Speaker 4 Can I make the case for Greg Gary? No,

Speaker 1 who's your least redeemable white Lotus character?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 4 so if Saxon got violated on the boat, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 I'm feeling for him right now. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But I mean, both of them were completely fucked up, right? My guess is they're going to wake up in the morning and do the what happened last night.
Maybe Locky remember a little more.

Speaker 4 I think Saxon doesn't even remember what happened.

Speaker 2 He might pretend he doesn't because he's ashamed, but he will remember. There have to be, there has to be fallout.
He's got it.

Speaker 3 And also, Chelsea

Speaker 3 and Chloe are right there

Speaker 3 with the twirling month, the twirling evil mustache with her

Speaker 3 strand of hair.

Speaker 2 To your point about the predator and the prey, the fact that, like, it's not just that Locky became the predator, it's that Saxon handed him all the tools and like has to confront that now.

Speaker 2 And he, like, Locky has become the person that Saxon wanted him to be. But Saxon is the one who needed suffering.

Speaker 4 Cheap cocktails and he needed ecstasy and Molly and nine other things. I don't know if it's going to last.

Speaker 4 My guess is Locky's going to be completely mortified the next day.

Speaker 2 I don't think so. I think this is an awakening for him.

Speaker 3 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I just think he's on drugs.

Speaker 2 Grim at Mallory. Quite grim.
Not like incest is my thing every single day of the week, but like

Speaker 3 discrimination is my thing.

Speaker 4 I think he's crazy fucking.

Speaker 2 I'm going for what I want. Like people are here to use me.
Hopefully not. Or for me to use them.
Like, hopefully not. Hopefully he's still like, you know what? I could go to just NC State after all.

Speaker 3 I still could make that choice.

Speaker 1 My thing on this is like.

Speaker 1 If they go further than this, if we get a challengers or an Itumamatambien sort of situation, there is no coming. That is with you for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 Because those two things you mentioned

Speaker 3 are not brothers. Right.

Speaker 1 They're transgressive in their own right, but it's not two brothers.

Speaker 3 Close friends. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Very close friends.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 4 So what are you most excited about for the last episode or next episode before we go?

Speaker 4 I'm most excited for Rick and Sam Rockwell and Bangkok doing whatever they're going to do.

Speaker 1 Match Shikh Met. Let's do Magic Met.

Speaker 4 I'm also excited for Fight Night. I think those are my two.

Speaker 1 Fight Night's a really good call. I think I love a con personally.
So whatever that's going to be. And I love Scott Glenn.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I am really excited about that too. I just am, I think I'm most invested in the Ratliff storyline at this point.

Speaker 3 So yeah, I just.

Speaker 1 What happens on the boat? That's what you want to know. Well, and

Speaker 3 Tam,

Speaker 1 Tim, dying for a monastery tour.

Speaker 2 I tell you guys, we step back and I tell the two of you, we will see Parker Posey's Victoria Ratliff enter a monastery in Phuket, Thailand next week.

Speaker 3 That sounds amazing. That sounds great.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 you say, I'm prepared for the best hour TV of my life.

Speaker 4 Are we going to get to hear her say Phuket?

Speaker 3 What's it called? Fuck you.

Speaker 2 She will for sure say something.

Speaker 4 She'll have five things.

Speaker 2 Then she would have to know they were in Thailand in order to say that.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's going to be a good one.

Speaker 3 Can't wait.

Speaker 4 Prestige TV podcast. Mallory, Joanna.
Pleasure as always. Thanks to everybody behind the scenes.
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Speaker 4 Ringer Dash TV is our YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 I hope you guys are wrong about the Foresome. I hope we're done.
I hope everyone's asleep. We will find out next week.
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