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I'm Doada Robinson.

I'm Rob Mahoney.

And it's been a little spotty this summer in terms of content.

Bleak, I would say.

But we're back.

We're back, baby.

We've got a lot going on in the Prestige feed.

We've got our mini-series hooked that we're doing, where we're going through some of our very favorite shows of all time: time, Breaking Bad, Mad Men.

We've got a couple more shows on the horizon we're really excited about.

What else are we doing, Rob?

Today, we're covering Task.

Yes.

Very exciting to actually have good TV, good prestige TV, dare I say, back in our midst.

We're going to be doing Task week to week and then Slow Horses at the end of September.

It's just...

It's a really good time to be on the Prestige Feed.

We're really excited.

Bill's joining us for a task today.

It's going to be a good time.

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Task.

That's your most somber intro to a prestige episode ever.

It's a somber show.

It is.

Rob said it was a hilarious show.

Yeah, laugh a minute is what I heard.

Yeah.

What's up, chicken butthole made me laugh louder than I would, I would honestly care to admit in any other context, but here we are.

Fair, right?

Joanna Robinson right there, Rob Mahoney right here.

I'm Bill Simmons.

What was the last time we convened?

It's been a minute.

It's been three of us.

It's been last year, right?

Oh, no, you're friends and neighbors over Zoom.

Yeah, over Zoom.

Not in person.

No.

Well, HBO, I mean, on the bright side, we have a show like this again.

On the downside, I could have used it like six weeks ago.

And there was no sports and nothing going on.

It says a tough summer.

Yeah.

Tough summer.

Maybe don't drop this during week one football season.

That was Jomie who was complaining about that beforehand.

But I'm just glad we have a show like this again.

It's only seven episodes.

Yeah.

Brad Inglesby, I don't know.

Where do you want to start?

This is one of the best pilots I've seen or first episodes I've seen.

Maybe since the pit at the beginning of the year.

Yeah.

I would say, just in terms of putting us in the world, giving us characters that we care about.

There's a lot in this episode.

It's only 66 minutes, but there's just a bunch of short scenes.

I mean, you just feel like you've learned a lot.

We go through two BEs.

You know, a character I already cared about has already, spoiler alert, died, you know?

So, like, it's just a lot going on.

The moment he announced his impending nuptials, that guy was cooked.

But I didn't know

it's maybe episode one, though.

That is fair.

Well, so for you, Joe, what was the we are so back moment?

This has been a a slow summer for TV, as Bill said.

When did you feel like, okay, we got it?

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It's the first conversation.

So this is Mark Ruffalo's here, but Tom Pelfrey, who I really love, it's a two-hander.

He's our second lead.

And so the first scene where he, Robbie, is having sandwiches with his buddy Cliff.

Yeah.

And they're talking about private islands and what do you do with garbage on a private island.

I was just like, this is, I could watch this scene all day.

That was it for me.

What about you, you, both?

I had my guard up the whole time.

Okay.

Because I was like, this is really good.

This is really good.

And then when Ruffalo was with the priest and he was super drunk singing the rock song doing Zillies trivia.

And he just, and I was like, oh, man, you got me.

I'm giving myself to this show.

But all actors I like, I didn't even recognize the,

oh man, I'm blanking on the Oscar movie, Coda.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

The girl from Coda.

I didn't recognize that.

Amelia Jones, yeah.

Like Mary Vistown, there's a lot of Brits here doing Delco accents.

Well, Tom Pelfrey, who had an unbelievable Ozark season.

Oh, my God.

And was one of those where you thought, man, after this season, he's going to be a major, major star.

And it didn't quite happen, but maybe it'll happen now.

He did, he did like out of range.

But I've been waiting for something to really, really show him off.

And I think this is going to do it.

Well, it already is for sure.

And that character like has to work for this show to really hit high highs.

Like, we're going to be in on Mark Ruffalo leading a task force, solving a crime.

Great.

I would be in just on, as you're saying, Joe, like like the domestic drama version of just his home life with his like brother's kid and his own kids and like their tangled web.

Like I'm in on that stuff, taking away the crime elements.

Well, they're doing this.

So have you gone ahead or no?

No.

No.

Have you?

No.

Have you gone ahead?

Have you?

I've not.

I haven't.

And my wife was furious.

She does it every time.

It was tough.

You'll never know.

Just do it.

I'm like, I'll know.

The audience will know.

No, I wrote down a bunch of questions.

I'm like speculation questions and I was like, it won't be fun to ask these questions if I already know the answer.

Well, because it feels like we're setting up for Ruffalo's going this way, Pelfrey's going this way, and

we can't do this.

We're doing heat.

We're doing heat.

And Inglesby has said, I'm doing heat.

And so he's not pretending.

And so I would be deeply surprised if our guy, Robbie, makes it out of this season of television alive.

And

the fact that I already know that and I'm willing to be deeply invested anyway is, I think, a testament to what they're running in a small airport.

Chases.

Just cash flying everywhere.

Planes fly over.

One can only hope.

Very possible.

We left out one other actor who I like from a show that I don't know how many people saw, but Looking, that was on HBO.

Robbie the Barber Guy.

Exactly.

That was one of my wife's favorite shows.

I was in there.

And that was

he got involved with the Jonathan Groff character.

I always liked that guy.

And then I don't know what happened to him.

And now he's back as one of the robbers.

I think he does a lot of theater, like stage.

Does some theater?

He's picked up in this and that.

And he was in like Cha-Shaw real smooth.

He's again smaller parts, but he is another character who, based on his character and looking, if you put anyone in his orbit, I'm kind of rooting for them just on proximity.

And so, like, I am, I'm totally bought in on the Pelfree character already just because of their friendship and their relationship.

And, you know, their BE history now.

So there wasn't a lot of press about this show yet because I think they embargoed it and it's coming and we're taping this ahead of time.

Inglesby said to EW, which was the only big feature I read so far, he said, the people that you know in life are essentially invisible.

Every day your mailman drives through your neighborhood.

He knows your bills and magazines and the trash men know what you're eating, your Amazon boxes.

And that resonated.

So he's gone for, I'm going deep everyday people.

Yeah.

Yes.

And then shit's going to go down.

And there's that great line when Cliff is in the in the one last job that they do, when he's when they're first scoping out, he's like, that guy was looking right at me.

Robbie's like, no, he's looking right through you, like everyone does, right?

No one ever sees us.

And

turns out that wasn't the case this time.

Well, then they really, what's that, like the second scene there together?

They're doing like the pulp fiction talking about what burgers are like in France kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How do you like these guys?

How do you do?

What do you do with your trash pickup on a private island?

You know, yeah, I have many questions about the trash boats.

And also, Robbie is this like deeply, again, this reminds me of De Niro and Heat, but like this deeply romantic figure talking about wanting to share his life with someone when he gets on the dating apps.

And he's like, I believe people come into our life for a reason.

Well, he almost says it.

He might have hit send on that.

You don't know.

That's a fair point.

We don't know.

But

like,

that's so important.

Give him something, in addition to his kids, but something like romantic to care about.

And then fake them in the dating app is one of the things we learned.

Apparently.

Yeah.

If if you don't want somebody to google you because things are gonna come up

fake names yeah classic sil bimmons you know googling one of these dudes are like oh my lord yeah i didn't realize he robbed a bank these guys have not heard about google reverse image searching yet like this is a solvable problem unfortunately it's true that's episode two rob comes in explains stuff to i'm the i.t professional here to help so the first three minutes of this show

i think are one of the best first three minutes of a show i can remember it's got the pounding score already.

We're just seeing all these people, all these characters that we're going to have.

It's moving.

And you know what the show is, which I think is so hard to pull off.

And I watched it a bunch of times.

I was like, God damn, it's just really good.

It ends with like Ruffalo puts his little ID thing for his job on his desk, the brochures.

He looks banged up.

You just know he's like, oh, this is a guy who clearly peaked 10 years ago.

Now he's kind of here.

And you just get a feel for everything.

It's just in Englesby, he did Mary merriestown which we should have mentioned earlier but it just is good at shows like this yeah there was a lot of uh

waking up weary scenes in merrivistown that was like a classic hallmark i was curious what you guys think of uh jeremiah zager who directed this and he also did the sandler the hustle basketball movie oh you're right and so i was just wondering like if visually there was anything that reminded you of that.

I mean, the Alan Iverson drop, you know, you got your obligatory mention to Philly Hoops.

But other than that, like, I was trying to figure out all that common thread.

Cause yeah, there is like some of the performers have been in both of their projects.

Both of those guys pop up.

I think the relationship clearly works between writing and directing at a super high level, establishing all that weariness.

I think it lends itself to Inglesby in particular does.

A lot of like real people, for lack of a better way to describe it, who are down on their luck or just trying to make it, who are like on the edge of decency, but also like trying to find something for themselves.

And this is exactly that kind of story, yet again, I think on both corners, to be honest with you.

He loves a grown out, a grown-out bleach job.

Like if you've got a lot of roots in your bleached hair, you're going through it.

What's this?

Just trying to make it better than that.

Exactly.

Well, we talk about this sometimes when we do the Rewatchables movies from the 70s and 80s and just this whole era in movies were about,

I don't want to say normal people, but just everyday people.

And that shifted for a lot of reasons.

But the kind of people that we have in this movie easily could have been in some movie or in this TV show easily could have been in a movie in like 1978, where it's just like a two-hour whatever.

Something that really unlocked for me, and I had written it in my notes, but I wasn't sure if it was just like a Joanna thing.

But I was listening to an interview that Inglesby did with Roger Deacons, where he was talking about like the movies that got him into movies.

And he was like, number one, Breaking Away, which is my number one.

Oh, wow.

So that's why he had that lying on the bottom.

I was like, oh, we're doing cutters.

And he was talking about how, like, in watching Breaking Away as a kid, he's like, how did this film capture what it was like for me and my friends?

What are these walk-and-talk scenes?

These just like ambling around, rolling our bikes around downtown, like Indiana sort of thing.

And so

these scenes of we're just sharing sandwiches together and we're just having a conversation together.

And it's so important to get us invested in these characters before we

run into before they're wearing scary airports.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kidnapping children.

Yeah.

But there's something like so like primordial about that.

Like I'm a man who's never been on a quarry before.

You know, like this is not a personal experience I have.

And there's clearly like a level of specificity to the show that for like Chris and Andy will hit in a totally different register than it will for me.

But there's something about the just sort of like free wheeling nature of that moment that's like, this is summer.

This is like a level of freedom and a level of success and a level of like, I'm just taking my mind off of anything that's happening in my life that is so easy to connect to.

And within the show that is bleak and is dark and has abductions and murder and like at least an investigation into the drug trade.

Also, it has this incredible levity and this lightness and this humanity in it that I'm just really is really clicking for me for sure.

And then Ruffalo, who we'll talk about right after the break.

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Mark Bruffalo, what's your relationship?

What is my, we were just talking about, you can count on me for

the 2000 draft.

So good.

Big pick draft.

That's my introduction to Mark Ruffalo, and I think it's one of the best things I've ever seen.

I love this guy so much.

And he was sort of in

not MCU jail because like, because he played because they couldn't make a Hulk movie.

Yeah, they couldn't, they legally couldn't make a Hulk movie.

So he was not locked into I'm making Hulk movie after Hulk movie.

So he's got his like world global fame because he is the Hulk, but then he also just picks extremely interesting side projects.

He's doing your spotlights.

He's doing the kids are all right.

He's doing whatever it is.

And,

you know, Inglesby,

the reason Inglesby got Mary V sound made was that he made the pitch to Kate Winslitt.

Yeah.

And the first thing he did on this was he made the pitch to Mark Ruffalo.

His move is get the star on and then everything will flow from there.

And so I love that Ruffalo wanted to do this and get really into this deeply broken, bad dad.

But he's good at that, you know?

Yeah.

He is.

I mean, we've had him 25 years now.

Wow.

I'll save some of my thoughts for the You Can Count on Me Rewatchables because we haven't done that on Ruffalo because I love that movie.

It's a big like i honestly love that movie bleak week on the rewatchables just well totally i've only done the rabbit hole bleak already

but um it's interesting to think about his career in the 21st century context versus the 20th century context because so he hits in that movie and then he does some really cool interesting like he did this movie called xxxy

that i really liked and i thought was just weird and cool and um really different it's just gone i don't even know you don't even find that on streaming at this point but then he was also like, everyone was saying, this is the next guy.

This is the next big thing.

So then you kind of have to go down the rom-com side.

You got to go on the superhero side.

And he's, he's kind of straddling.

I always felt like he just wanted to do things like this, like this part in this show.

Yeah, exactly.

But then was paying the bills with the other side.

But that's also what Hollywood wants.

They're just pushing you to this other side.

And I don't know.

He straddled it both, but then you see him in something like Spotlight.

Like, guy's a great actor.

But then you see him in crappy rom-com number four.

And it's like, why is he in this?

Well, he's not doing those anymore.

And I think

he found his lane with Hulk because he's, he's in the new Avengers movies.

He's going to be filming in his little like mocap suit for the new Avengers movies, right?

But that's kind of light work compared to I have to do a whole rom-com.

I get to do, I don't know, 15 minutes in Avengers, you know, doomsday or whatever it is.

So like,

I think I think he took like Ed Norton in the 90s and then he kind of passed the torch to Ruffalo as like the next guy to just be in weird movies.

Like, Ruffalo easily could have been in 25th hour.

Yes.

If it was like five years later, um,

but Norton, there were movies he never would have done that I feel like Ruffalo a couple times kind of caved on.

I think that's probably true.

I mean, their presences are a little different.

Like, Edward Norton's version of charisma is a little harder-edged, even still.

Ruffalo has a softness and a warmth to him that makes it really effective when he's like the world-wearied, beaten down by his circumstances kind of guy in all of these dramas.

And so it's like, I can understand a producer or director saying, let's put that guy opposite a Hollywood starlet of some kind in a rom-com.

Like, I get the formula, and I get how we kind of are still in that space.

And it's what makes him so good on the dramatic side, too, ultimately.

Yeah.

XXXY,

he has some

college girlfriend.

All of them kind of intersected at one point.

And then they go that goes like fast forward, like maybe six, seven years, and he's with somebody else, but runs into the old girlfriend.

And then all of a sudden, they may or may not have had sex in the kitchen when the new girlfriend walked in,

and it just gets fucking weird.

It's like, these are the, there's like, it should be a special channel for movies like this, like fucked up, kind of sexual.

Oh, yeah, you're like, romance gone wrong, you're like, indie, nobody's freesome, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that, that kind of just weird.

There is a channel, it's called theringer.com.

It's basically all we're doing.

I feel like you should do a mini-series for rewatchables called like Unfindables.

And it's like the movies that you just like, you like literally cannot find anymore that do exist.

You had to buy for $17.99 on YouTube or something like that.

Exactly.

But it's interesting.

You can count on me is probably, I think, what people would say was his best performance.

And that was the first one.

But I think he got nominated for that.

I mean, spotlights.

They may have transcended it in terms of like cultural footprint at this point.

Just like a more recent audience.

Why is that?

Because they knew.

And they did nothing.

Yeah.

Nominate for the kids were all right.

Yeah.

His, you know, that's

accent choice.

That's another thing.

That's in that.

That would be in that weird channel.

That's the thing.

Like, he can be a ham.

He can, and like, we love the brothers bloom, too.

Like, he's so good and so charismatic in that.

And you need all of that if you're going to have drunk Ruffalo, hard-boiled Ruffalo leading the task force Ruffalo.

Like, he's going to have to be all of these versions of himself.

But this, to go back to you talking about watching the opening multiple times, this episode we've all watched a couple times at least, really rewards the rewatch because once you learn about the fact that he

studied and became a priest for a while, we get the scene later with his friend where he's talking about his lack of faith and how he doesn't give a shit anymore.

And then you re-watch the opening where he is like reluctantly, but kneeling down to pray.

when he gets up.

You know, and it's just sort of like...

I just missed that one the first time.

Yeah.

Like, well, I was like, why is this such an onerous task for him and then you find out his whole history and you watch it again and it's just sort of like this guy is just bird watching his way through life doing did you have baggage with the with what you knew about the show before you watched it or do you watch a blind which what baggage would would you be holding well i didn't know anything yeah so i thought when that especially when we had the home invasion pretty early i'm like oh yeah home invasion time and then that scene

yeah the first home invasion especially is just like so time

so kinetic and the mask designs yeah really

are you more demon werewolf or skull guy?

Skull guy.

It's skull guy all the way.

I always thought you were skull guy.

What's Hall of Fame all-time mask for you, though?

Point break?

I mean, point breaks.

The presidents are right up.

The town is pretty good.

Like, it kind of falls.

Are there nuns in the town or what are they?

Because you want to cover like from here down.

Yes.

If you move around.

That's what my mask thoughts.

I got to say, when our guy Cliff, when both of them took their masks off before they were out of that house, I was like, don't do that.

Don't do it.

Don't do that, man.

But I also needed the relief of knowing that Cliff was not the one who got shot.

You know, like, I needed that as a personally.

That's why they did it.

I've also the kid could, like, ID them.

That's really it.

But the first watch, I thought it was going to be more violent.

And then when we're in the kitchen with

him just singing to the priest and I'm like, all right, all bets are off.

I don't know where this is going.

Like the second episode, there might be no violence at all.

Maybe.

It might be them just playing back gaming with a 10-year-old

at the show.

I don't know.

Just a babysitting show for me.

Were you?

So they try to build tension at the end of the episode of like, did they kill the kid or not?

Was there a minute where you thought that might be what the show was?

We should talk about that because that was the best moment in the show.

Because I thought they were going to kill the kid.

Yeah.

I thought it was possible.

It was clear like something is going to escalate.

They look at each other.

Yeah.

And it was like, oh, my, they're going to kill the kids.

And then you get the kid?

The relay of calls, you know, four dead bodies.

And then, well, actually, there was a kid in the house, you know, and we're on, we're on Tetrahooks.

But

I just thought the echo, like the fact that the episode opens with Robbie carrying his son, you know, to his sister's bed in the morning and all of that, and then ends with him carrying this kid in.

Great idea, guys.

Bring the kid home.

This is going to be fine.

So you got some

different thoughts on parenthood as a theme.

Sure.

Religion, I think, is going to be a big piece of the show.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Family and community.

Yeah, but we're.

There's going to be something about faith that I think is looming.

That would be my only guess.

I think they laid some groundwork for that.

Well, we also don't really know exactly what's happened with Refalo's character's son as of yet.

I have.

What's your hunch?

Your hunch is a flashback, isn't it?

Oh, well, yeah, because CGI Ruffalo, seven years ago.

They cast Marie Enos from the killing as his wife.

Like, she's in the family photo.

Yes.

So we're definitely at least getting some.

The lead from the killing?

Yeah.

Yeah.

The redhead from the killing.

Wow.

Yeah.

So she's.

What's she been up to?

Waiting for her moment to be in a photo.

In that photo, so it's the old family photo, classic little transported device for a show like this.

We get Ruffalo's character, Tom.

We get ostensibly his wife.

We get the daughter we know, Emily, and presumably her brother, who we know is in prison, but we don't know why.

And then another young girl who could be a friend, who could be another sibling.

Do we know who that is?

So this is what I think.

We've got, he was a priest and

she was a girl.

This is.

Can it be any more obvious?

Some sort of missionary trip.

I believe

Emily, the daughter we have spent some time with, who's working at the Water Ice place,

and the son who's in prison were adopted.

Yes.

And then there's like a biological third older

daughter out of the house.

Who's just not around

right now, exactly?

But something bad happened that made him stop being a priest.

Because there was some sort of catalyst for that, too, that we'd left the priest

and won't even visit his son in prison.

There's something.

So something's looming with that.

The paperwork that he looks at when he's in the meeting with the lawyer,

third degree,

murder in the third degree,

would not take his medication, had voices telling him to kill, assaulted the spouse.

So I believe the son killed his wife, and that's what he's in jail for, but like due to a psychotic break.

And if these were like adopted kids, there might be this tension that Emily, you know, feels in terms of like, do you regret adopting us if my, you know, if my brother killed our mom or something like that.

If that is what happened, Ruffalo's in great shape.

Like, that's a lot to go through.

And this is only, it's, I don't think it, we don't get the impression it's that much later if sentencing is still happening.

Exactly.

So I think he left the priesthood because Inglesby did say in an interview that he's, I think it was his uncle who was a priest and then left the priesthood or something like that, but he was like interested in this strain of of FBI agent who used to be priest.

What made you leave the priesthood and become an FBI agent?

So we don't know what that decision was, but then it seems like an even more recent horror.

And once again, this is just me doing my best freeze frame Mahoney impression and looking

and looking at legal documents.

If we think the kid,

the murder kid, if your theory is correct, classic murder kid.

Yeah.

the forgot to take the meds excuse opens the door for forgiveness in the heart because it wasn't totally your fault.

He doesn't seem to be

a big scene with a glass window.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And

now that I'm on my meds, I understand what you're doing.

Because if you refuse to visit a classic trope and show

if you refuse to visit the kid in the first episode, it means you have to like agree to visit the kid before the finale.

That's true.

Mid-season.

You gotta come to whatever we're doing.

If we don't have one conversation with phones through glass, like what are we even doing?

I mean, and so many ways to go.

You could just whip the drink at the glass.

You could spit at the glass.

The Philly's going to compound the glass.

I am glad this is one of those things that transcends all regional specificity.

The like oversized plastic cup from a ball game that's then used to just guzzle alcohol is really an American tradition that has no equal.

I am impressed that he's still mixing it.

He's still squeezing the line.

He's still his finger, though.

Still, but he's still going to the trouble to squeeze the lime.

I got to say, Tom Pelfrey, exceptional actor, incredible presence on this show.

Him,

double-fingering ice cream

out of the vat from the freezer is one of the most deeply upsetting things we're going to see on television.

Did you recognize him?

Just in the show?

Like, I didn't make the Ozark guy connection.

Uh-oh.

And then I was

like,

he was billed highly enough as being part of the show.

I just forgot.

I watched it during COVID.

I don't remember two years of COVID.

So good in that.

Just

all a blank slate.

I

never mind.

I'm glad Mallory isn't here for whatever that was that you just did with the ice cream gesture.

That's what happened on the show.

Should we talk about Martha Plumpton?

I have a question for you, Bill.

If you were to call me into your office and I brought you a lovely bag of garden-grown tomatoes, would you cherish that gift from me or would you just drop them on the ground?

I would cherish it.

But I see Martha Plumpton and it's just like, all bets are off because she's been going for, I will steal every scene I'm in status for about six years here.

She's fantastic.

She's carrying the Mayor East Town torch into

the show, really.

She's coming in hot.

Yeah.

So we know she's the surly police chief, and we know that there's going to be more to come.

On her way out to her, you know,

divorce retirement.

Yeah.

That's it.

If you could mix that plot in with

wasn't quite on the meds,

but now is on the like we could just merge those two.

She knows the family.

She's asking about Emily, so she's close enough to the family to know.

That's true.

Do you want to talk about the three younger members of the task force?

Let's please.

So, that was my biggest uh

question about the show.

If I had to nitpick anything, okay, too many characters.

I didn't love the three characters, I didn't really understand what they were going for.

I thought it just they were trying to make it too quirky, and I thought that was the weakest scene.

Okay, I thought they were just trying too hard with the intro scene, but not the like later investigation.

Do I spell mold and all that?

Yeah, I was like, all right.

Um, I really like her, and I like her being Lizzie.

Lizzie.

Yeah.

State trooper.

Yeah.

Lizzie.

Sure.

And I like this sort of, she's the one who bothered to talk to the neighbors moment that she has at the end of the episode.

Didn't read the file, though.

No.

Well, didn't do her homework.

Maybe it got caught in her spam folder.

You don't know.

But I got to shout out my guy

Fabian Frankls or Kristen Cole from House of the Dragon here as a show I never watched.

I don't know who that is.

Is he in the Mavericks?

Honestly, Kristen Cole, great pick.

Great potential.

High reach.

Anthony Grasso.

Yeah.

Love this.

I'm really excited for this.

So just deep joke cuts right here.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kristen Cole.

I will say, as far as you know, a laugh a minute show like task, Lizzie on the phone to what I assume is her soon-to-be ex-husband saying, is that what you're doing?

Like crawling around my place, writing your name on all my stuff, you little raccoon fuck.

Yeah.

Look, it's just good writing.

But when she exits the scene later and she's like, I've changed my mind.

I'm keeping the recorder.

That stuff was pretty broad, though.

I will say

the three characters, like, we need to very quickly establish who they are in relation to each other.

And, like, okay, here's the clean freak.

Here's the girl who's kind of a hot mess and trying to get her life together.

Here's the guy who's like a little bit down the middle, but we're trying to still figure him out.

It is the broadest part of the show, especially when you contrast it to the slow play of everything that's happening with Rufflow and Pelfree, too.

Did you get hooked into watching Saltburn the year it came out?

I did not.

The movie?

Yeah.

It was big in my house.

I only watched it once.

So the actress who's playing the state trooper is like the sister in Saltburn, and she

had a lot to do in that movie.

This is a very different part for her, but she is actually always Hot Mess Express.

This is just a more American version.

I would have potentially not even introduced those characters.

Now I'm giving Brad Anglesby notes, but I would have, it was 66 minutes.

If you were going to cut a scene and move it to episode two, I probably would have done that.

That's fair.

I'm not sure we needed them.

I was really enjoying the two worlds that we were playing yeah and you're like we've got a hole to fill because peach boy is no longer with us no and it's gonna rest in power peach boy it's gonna take three whole characters to fill his shoes so but so i think the contrast of that of if we did just do the version of the pilot that's just centered around the two guys on opposite sides of the law the way it's sort of like slow playing the introductions of them and in particular i'll say with robbie where it's like you see them as garbage men it's like are they garbage men are they pis are they undercover cops like why are they sifting through all the trash at these drug houses It's like the way that's all slowly pieced together as you're meeting his family, as you're getting a sense of these relationships.

And I think the pull the rug aspect with that character in particular from this isn't just like a nice, well-meaning single dad trying to do the best he can.

He is the free-loading brother of a dead man living in his brother's kid's house, like snooping,

stealing her weed out of her drawer.

Like, I think the way that they deploy all that stuff is so smart.

Maeve, Amelian Jones's character is like third build in this show.

So, and I was curious curious why, but now knowing that there's going to be another kid in the house that they stole from, and she's going to have this tension of like,

am I complicit in this?

Do I take care of this kid?

Do I have suspicions about where this kid came from?

What do I do?

So, yeah, I thought she was really good, Amelia Jones, as the system, as the good actress.

Yeah.

Considering I didn't even recognize her.

She transformed.

She really did.

It's the micro bangs.

They'll get you every time.

All kinds of stuff happening.

We should mention this is the second most important TV pod on the ringer recapping this because this is set in the Philly area.

This is like

fucking crack cocaine for Greenwald and Chris.

Absolutely.

Unbelievable.

It's like God made it for them.

Honestly.

He's like trying to fuck with them.

If there's a scene at Bad Brothers, what's Chris's bar?

I think that's what it's called.

There's a scene in that bar.

I'm going to go nuts.

Then we'll know he's like deliberately antagonizing them in some way.

All right, let's go through the episode really quick.

So, we get all the setup.

We get the two seemingly not bad, likable guys talking about their love lives while they kind of stalk a house, grabbing stuff out of garbage.

One of them is a criminal with a heart of gold, putting his kids to bed.

Just a nice guy.

I think we both have goldie hearts.

Other guy just wants to meet somebody.

Gold adjacent?

Gold until it comes time to just like beat the shit out of the kid who's in your house.

But Cliff is like, Don't worry, you don't have to make me dinner.

I'll

take care of myself.

That also was a good move.

The Reedrummond Drummond recipe that may have busts out, first of all, Reedrum probably has grounds for slander for this episode.

Extremely tough.

That said, also inedible.

And then we get the Ruffalo side.

It's like, all right, this guy's either putting his life back together or his life is kind of settled here.

So we get that whole setup.

And then we just get a home invasion pretty early.

It's like 20 minutes in.

Yeah.

And the switch flips.

And it's like, okay,

here we go.

Really, as Rob said, really nice and clean.

It's a good good scene.

Well, you have to see it go well before you see it go terribly.

I mean, it's like clockwork the first time.

And honestly, it sounds like the first like 10 times.

It's just they pushed a little too far with the one last job.

I guess I did have a nitpick about how big is this area and wouldn't it be easy to just find these guys?

Well, I think that they said they were hitting

multiple counties.

Yeah, and that they were hitting multiple counties.

Multiple counties, but most of these houses are run by one gang, it sounds like one motorcycle club.

I love an MC.

Do we get the motorcycle club episode, possibly?

I mean, we're going to get more switch out of there.

Oh, just to like Sons of Anarchy Time?

Yeah, we're just for a half hour.

Yeah, we're with the prospects.

That sounds phenomenal.

And what's going on with the Pennsylvania motor club scene?

We're about to find out.

Brad's about to tell us.

Let's true detective this shit.

Like, somebody goes undercover in the motorcycle club.

I don't know who it's going to.

Maybe that's, maybe that's a job for Lizzie.

You know, maybe she's just the ad of the squish,

the kind of feuding with Joelle and Biad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then we get some Robbie Maeve.

Yep.

Unusual name.

Irish.

There was one.

It's 2020.

It was Maeve Quinlan, right?

That was an actress.

I'm trying to think of other Maeves.

Maeve Benchy, author.

It's a very Irish name.

Very Irish.

Anyway, they start battling.

He's hiding in the closet watching her hook up.

That was a great scene.

Great.

And excruciating.

The whole thing, like him walking in with the headphones on and like dancing around to the music, the fact that they have both guys guys like enjoying music and dancing around to music at a certain point in this episode uh both in train wreck scenes um but i just thought that was like really great i love the tattoo assortment on tom belfry like um we haven't talked about the fact that he's like his dead brother is this big weight that's hanging on him yeah so what do we think that backstory is i don't know 2023 so fairly fresh i mean could be a different kind of job gone wrong that's hard to say like maybe it's completely unrelated to all this stuff i don't know i had a

drunk driver.

Drunk driver.

We're

prestige TV at spotify.com.

I was trying to source.

There's like this medallion hanging from his rearview mirror that has wings on it and like the date of when Billy died.

And I was trying to see if it like is this Air Force or is this just like angel wing stuff?

So anyway, if anyone has medallion information and wants to email us, I would like to.

Joe, you're coming in with the freeze frames with the incredible accuracy.

I'll also say like, yes, email us at prestige TV at at spotify.com.

I did investigate whether we should get an email address for this show specifically.

I did try snickerdoodle223 at gmail.com.

Was it taken?

Unfortunately, it was already taken.

So we'll have to come up with something else.

Did you try emailing it to see if HBO is rocking that?

It would be a great bit.

Yeah.

Joe heard that somebody said online prestige peaked during Wet Lotus.

And she's like, you, oh, no.

Just wait.

Yeah, just wait.

My freeze frame game is going up a notch.

It's coming.

So we have

the actual Robert.

Well, ruffalo um getting bomb with the priest what was the rock song oh i looked it up i feel like i know all the rock songs and that was one where i was like i kind of like this i don't know what it is it's out of africa it's an african rock song

Like they were, I think it's

outside of your listening side.

Zimbabwe.

But it's

the band, I don't have it in front of me.

The band was inspired by Jimi Hendrix.

I know that.

And then they like it.

It was really good.

The music budget on the show generally, very good.

The selection, amazing.

I like to say, come on, Danny, take your collar off.

Yeah, now you're just a guy.

Stand around here in the kitchen.

Can I tell you something

that another movie that I got really excited about that this reminded me of?

Please.

And this is just like a confession time for me.

I really like the movie Signs.

And this reminds me of Signs, wherein deeply unproblematic actor Mel Gibson plays a former priest,

given up priesthood because his wife died and he has lost his faith in God and has, you know, children to take care of and also an alien invasion.

So what

is more like an alien invasion than a home invasion, I ask you?

But like that idea of the former priest who's like bitter about God,

but still believes and is wrestling with it.

Especially because of personal tragedy, right?

Who's wrestling with it for that reason?

Do people not like science?

Do you like science in that Sean Malone science?

I've only seen him once.

She will tend to revisit it.

It's definitely revisited.

It's worth the rewatch, you know?

I mean, is it really?

Absolutely.

I really like it.

Fucking is literally batting a thousand in it.

Like, I mean, he's really coming off.

Baby Abigail Breslin is in it.

Got Culkin in it.

Honestly, and one of the great freeze frame moments in film history in terms of that alien coming across the alleyway.

That's true.

It's true.

Does Mo go to Moonshadows and get bombed and then insult some cops?

Or that's a different movie in between scenes.

Exactly.

that priest by the way

i i don't know if he was kind of into how

up ruffalo was he's seen it before 20 of it it was like i kind of came here knowing this would happen and i'm ready for it well like he's like i'm i'll be carrying this guy up tonight i'm with you through this what this i got here you're drunk yep i brought you some pork sandwiches to try to soak it up It's obviously not working.

So I'm just going to, like, you know, when he tells,

when the daughter has seen it so often that she knows how to turn his head so that he won't aspirate on his own vomit and stuff like that.

And he says,

he'll find his way through this.

Right.

So this idea is like, I'm going to be here as his friend through all of this.

So, yeah.

Their relationship I just found to be really sweet.

Like, again, there's so many like lived in aspects of the show from the jump that does make some of the clunkier introduction stick out a little bit.

Who turns your head so you don't aspirate in your environment?

Is it just your wife or are there other people that do it?

Would the dog do it for you?

I think the dog would do it, you know?

You train them well, they will take care of you.

And then the robbery scene, which is

like high-end action level, the second one.

Yeah, we get two twists.

There's a guy coming up the stairs.

You're like, oh, that guy's going to die.

Nope.

He kills one of the three.

And then we get the second twist of the hands coming out.

And

then the third twist of the kid.

And losing the gun is the first twist.

I do.

Oh, yeah.

I guess it's a four-twist scene.

I have a lot of notes for

everyone in the scene, but here's what I have to say.

If you want to survive the day, I don't think you should scream, we've seen your face, we've seen your face, we know you.

That's not guaranteeing you're going to make it out on the other side of this home invasion.

Hey, let's talk this out.

What's the upside of that?

None.

Honestly, basically, it's like, just shoot me.

I know who you are.

I know who you are.

In real life, absolutely.

For a TV show, as three people who know this, I did think it was like kind of a flex.

It's like, we are so unafraid of you, and you're like second-rate bullshit.

We've already seen you know who you are, and we almost are like our daring you to shoot us.

It is a fun action character trope: the female in the room who is so unafraid that she's actually on the attack.

Point break had a great one where they just come.

Oh, yeah, she's she's fighting everybody in the thing for five minutes.

But yeah, that I don't know who that actress was, but she was bringing it.

She was feisty.

Some Amanda Plummer on the face.

We've seen your face.

And then we we get the uh-oh, we got to take the kid as the ending.

And then a nice little Brad Englesby, the house, and the

shot going backwards.

And we're just back in

nowhere America.

But having, I really like that we had the earlier argument between

Maeve and Robbie on that same like deck area

so that we know, okay, he's going into this peaceful house, but there's already like so much tension inside this house.

And now he's bringing a child he's stolen into the mix it's gonna go great it's gonna be fun had to be begged to stay yeah and now i'm sure maeva's gonna have no questions whatsoever it's gonna be rob should we do task character baggage rankings i would i would love to hear it um i think i think ruffalo's character is one how much ice is he going through if he has to do a whole sink full of ice every morning it was a lot the full plunge yeah intense every morning might be the daughter ruffalo's daughter too she's going through it she's lost multiple family members she's kind of worried about her dad throwing up on himself every night when she's not put in the position you know the show is kind of like setting this up dramatically the question of whether she will testify or not in her brother's sentencing family statement yeah and then question within that if you are her and your

i assume biological brother killed your adopted mother if that's what we're assuming happened Do you want him to get off less?

Do you not want him to get off easy?

Like, she's in such a difficult position.

So the baggage is high that's probably and then probably tom belfrey's character is probably i don't know about me what about may is tough lost her dad yeah is a 20 year old who's basically having to raise several kids who are not her own siblings one of whom is walde wolf art jokes walde wall well look that feature of bug you decide yeah um and her uncle who's just like basically a dead beat sleeping in the other room and doesn't know how to cook something that doesn't look like it may be third yeah i don't know what happened like how do you put cheese in the oven and it doesn't melt like what did you do to what was that cheese i don't know it was so marshmallowy it was clumpy in a feta way but feta would melt no problem so i'm i've again many questions it would be funny to see brad inglesby tackle big little lies as his next show or something like high-end wealthy something glossy like the hamptons just people making bad grilled cheeses have you had water ice

I don't think I have.

Frozen custard.

That's good.

I've had water ice.

Yeah.

I've had Ritas specifically.

There are two Ritas in Los Angeles, so dare I suggest for the finale, we should maybe go with them.

I have not had the cherry flavor that apparently has cherry bits in it.

Merivistown was the first time I'd ever had a Philly cheesesteak.

I'd never had one before.

So that was like my first time ever.

It's overrated, right?

It really is.

I'm actually not a fan at all.

Yeah.

I mean, low-key the pork sandwich is better, like straight up, as far as Philly delicacies go.

The irony of local delicacies is that almost always they're overrated.

Are there any you're willing to go to bat for?

Look, the lobster roll is another one.

Lobster rolls can be good.

Yeah.

But people think when they go to Massachusetts in the Cape, it's like, got to get the lobster roll.

It's like, I don't know if you do.

Really depends on where you're getting it from.

You might not have the greatest experience.

Vermonte sandwiches in Pittsburgh is another one.

I would say PressUCV at Spotify.com, Chicago

Deep Def Pizza.

I like, sorry, I couldn't even say it.

I did not have a great time.

It is lasagna, but I like it.

No, I like it in general, but I was just like, nothing about the ones that I had in Chicago were

lasagna.

Yeah.

Which is nice.

So you got to get deep.

There's some great Bay Area versions of deep dish, but then I went to Chicago.

I was like, this isn't any better.

The first three bites are great, and then it goes like this:

it's like a Charlotte Hornet season.

Here's an NBA joke for Rob.

It starts out great, and all of a sudden, LaMello's disabled us.

I think you're being very kind to the Charlotte Hornets with that comparison, aren't you?

You just feel sick after like two slices.

Oh, it's intense.

It's like a lasagna crossed with uh, I don't know what, but yeah.

So, anyway, local delicacies, cheese steak,

it's fine.

Would you go to bat for a

local delicacy from your hometown well so the clam chowder yeah the chowder and the scallops in general yeah yeah they're worth it the fried like if you get the fried scallop situation because that's where stuff like that it's if you're getting like out here they're or maybe not in LA but let's say you're middle America yeah they're sending you frozen scallops that they're then

unfreezing and then serving to you, right?

If you're in the East Coast, it's just like they got the scallops.

Texas barbecue?

Unimpeachable.

Tex-Mex barbecue, what a burger, unimpeachable.

San Francisco, sourdough, burritos.

You know what's not unimpeachable from the Bay?

Dutch crunch.

How do you feel about Dutch crunch?

Disgusting.

People try to sell me on

a tri-tip.

I don't know what we're doing.

I didn't know that was a Bay Area.

The better.

Okay, interesting.

Yeah, it's funny how Texas,

and a couple other places, but really Texas, barbecue is just different.

It just is.

For a variety of reasons, it's weird that LA is the second biggest city in America and has not figured out barbecue at all past like a B or a B plus.

Bad news for brand new Angelino Ron Mahoney.

Extremely tough for me, but I will find it.

There's some promising.

There's a stadium that's not that far from you that could be a good one.

I've heard some interesting spots.

I think the difference is the barbecue culture in Texas is so different.

It's very much like, I'm just going to commit to waiting in line for 90 minutes to two hours, drinking a beer while standing outside with my friends.

Like, that's just a part of

Koreatown here.

I mean, I mean, the bottom line is like one of the best scenes in the country.

Bottom line is, everyone's regional food is terrible except for Boston, all of Texas, and the Bay Area

and LA.

Yep, I disparage Boston with the lobster rolls, but the chowder.

It depends on the chowder.

Okay.

I think people think.

I'm sorry.

I thought you were hitting at Maine with the lobster rolls.

I didn't know that was an own goal.

Oh, yeah.

Lobster rolls can be great.

I'm just saying.

People think when you go, it's just a blind order and it's going to be great.

And it's like, just pick your spots.

This isn't sushi in Tokyo.

You can't just like roll up to the 7-Eleven equivalent in Boston.

Pick your spots.

Okay.

That's it.

Predictions.

Well, here's my question.

Which fresh-faced member of the task force is dying first is getting shot in the back of the head.

Is anyone else getting married?

Oh, this is a great question.

Well, we got one divorce on the book, so she seems safe.

Lizzie seems safe by the purpose.

Are Lizzie and Anthony Grasso hooking up before the end of the season?

Why not Aaliyah, though?

Well, he keeps looking at Lizzie like this hot mess.

And then he was like, but there's something about her.

So you're seeing like an enemies to lovers situation for them.

I don't know.

Chris and Chris.

Whoever dies is going to have some sort of backstory, like a scene taking care of their sick father, like something that'll make people like, oh, we can't lose them.

I'm excited to learn more about Aaliyah.

We just got very little beyond one wet wipe, you know.

Which vindicated that house is disgusting.

You should wipe down anything that is touched there.

Like, that's a fair perspective.

I am already, like, already devastated devastated for when cliff dies in episode five or so uh because we got to start cutting off the like the roads and the options for robbie so you think the mc gets cliff i'm not sure who's gonna get him

i mean okay that is the kind of like the escalating stakes is that people are just start going to start dying in retribution because of this motorcycle club so why not cliff cliff's had tough luck on hbo just in general finding happiness yeah so i'm kind of the looking movie turned out okay look Team Richie all the way.

But, you know, he'll have his moment here before then, hopefully.

Yeah.

Not even a very good barber.

Okay, that's uncalled.

Wow, wow, wow.

Admitted he wasn't a good barber.

I think that the episode two normally is the reset, take it easy, set up episode three.

Let's try to get some shit down, some character stuff in.

And I don't think we're going to learn a lot the next time we do an episode.

I think we'll be like...

there's a lot.

I know, but it's that they're going to go and then episode three, and it'll just do that little dance.

I feel like there's one episode where we're just bird watching.

We're just capturing new bird calls on the bird watching app.

And some quarry stuff.

Yeah.

More quarry stuff.

Yeah.

We were definitely getting a couple twists, right?

That Mary Vistown had a couple of big ones.

Of course.

And probably a Ruffalo completely falling off.

But something I will say

is that Mary Vistown, I'm curious.

This show is so good, but I am curious if it's going to be as much of a phenomenon as Mary Beastown was because Mary Beastown was a whodunit, and this is not a whodune it.

It's a, what do they say on poker face?

A why done it?

A when catch him?

How catch em

sort of thing.

Like we know who did everything.

What qualifies for a phenomenon at this point?

Because you could argue the pit.

I think the pit actually became a phenomenon.

100%.

Absolutely.

Like for what you're looking for from a streaming only on Max kind of show.

But the pit has a gimmick, right?

Which is like every episode is an hour of this one shift sort of thing.

I think the show deserves to be a phenomenon.

I'm just curious if it's going to catch the way that Mary-Vee sound caught in a very specific COVID time.

You know, content was sparse.

And everyone loves Kate Winthrop.

And Kate playing like rough and tumble is far more surprising than Mark Ruffalo playing fucked up and curly-headed.

So, you know.

Can we play right network, wrong network?

Where do you see this?

I think it's an HBO show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This feels like the right place,

which is a rare thing these days.

It is.

Although now we have a better sense for what's an Apple show.

I was about to say, Our Friends and Neighbors felt like an Apple show.

The morning show felt like an Apple show.

We continue to ask these questions.

We don't know the answers.

And as we ask these questions, the subscription price goes up and up and up.

What else do we update?

Anything before we go?

I don't think so.

I think we got most of it.

I didn't really make a prediction.

I'm just like, just, we are so fucking back.

Like, i'm so psyched and energized by the existence of this show what about the possibility of a zag

if they if inglesby likes heat yeah it's too easy to have the pacino ending where di niro dies and pacino's holding him what if they zag and ruffle is the one that dies very possible well i could easily see them pelfree's not going to get away because i think there's a reason why there's a legal guardian ready to take care of those kids as soon as he dies.

Like it's a good reason to have Maim on the show.

DH is just sitting there ready to go.

But

Tom could also die.

Ruffloe's character could also die.

Yeah.

Because Emily will be fucking.

Yeah.

Definitely.

Yeah.

The heat structure is just like these two guys, again, across purposes, bouncing off each other all season.

But who dies?

Do you think they're going to have a diner scene or is that too much to reach for?

What's the Philly equivalent?

I was wondering.

At the Wawa?

Is there going to be

gonna be a philly game involved in this will there be a phillies game i could see it and we already got a lot of we got a lot of phillies talk already a lot of tricks yeah and beats not playing

they're just getting

their frustrations over the process hasn't been healthy for two years um i don't know pelfrey seems like a ben simmons guy i don't know i'm concerned uh eagles game is in play minor league baseball there's some minor league baseball in pennsylvania

um maybe like a lower end mma show?

Are you trying to figure out what would make this feel like that?

How would we get them together?

How do they end up in the same place?

I mean, I like Wawa personally.

I think that's selling me.

It's pretty good.

Maybe a ring-a-verse live show

in Philly?

Yes.

A watch live show.

Rocky TV watchables.

If Inglesby wrote in a watch live show, but had actors playing Chris and Andy,

that would be a personal attack.

Well, that's his third

or a celebration.

Oh, that's the third show.

Yeah, HB already green lit it.

Oh, okay.

The watch goes wrong.

Yeah.

All right.

I'm so glad we're back with Prestige.

This is legitimate Prestige TV.

It is.

We're back.

So we're going to cover, there's only seven episodes.

You're going to be on all of them.

I'll be on some of them.

Okay.

But who knows?

There's only seven.

Football season.

Maybe you'll be able to see.

See, Rob's off.

Rob doesn't have basketball yet.

No.

I'm like deep down, like looking through the NFC West, trying to figure out if Arizona is going to go under

wins.

Yes, I think they will.

Are you going to win the Fantasy League?

Probably not.

Okay.

Probably not.

That's big of you to admit.

Probably not.

Not feeling great about it.

Anyway, Joyne Robinson, great to see you again.

Ramoni, pleasure as always.

Thanks to Justin Sales as well.

Who else do we have to thank?

Hi, Grady.

Oh, Kai.

Thank you.

Be back in a week.

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