'The Pitt,' Ep. 7-11: What's Up With Dr. Langdon?

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hello and welcome to the Prestige TV podcast. I am Rob Mahoney.
I'm Joanna Robinson. And today we're returning to the pit.
But as you can tell, we're doing it slightly differently than we usually do. Joe, this is a teaching hospital, as we know.
You have so graciously handed me the scalpel to figure out how we're going to navigate this week. I mean, how are you feeling as my Dr.
Robbie in this parallel? You're letting me do my thing out here. You're the Dr.
Robbie, are you not? I see what you're saying in this situation. Well, maybe I can be Nurse Dana.
Okay. You know what I mean? Just sort of like seen it all, seen some shit.
And you've seen plenty of shit yourself, but I'm thrilled to be here and trying not to have a like a panic attack in another room or anything like that.

Well, chaos ensues at the pit.

I like the Dana comp for you. You have seen some shit.

You're also currently seeing some shit that we are covering elsewhere on the Prestige TV podcast feed. Come back.
Two bites at the apple for White Lotus. You, Bill, Mal are doing the instant reaction pods on Sunday covering White Lotus.
You and I are circling back for the deep dive on White Lotus. And then we are doing severance pods every Friday trying to figure out what the fuck is happening in that show.
That's now, if you include this pod, four times in your feed that you get to hear Joanna Robinson this week. I hope you all realize how lucky you are.
How blessed a life you are living. Three times that I get to record with you, Rob, in a given week.
What a joy. A true blessing, a true joy, almost as much of a joy, Joe, as all of the emails we have been getting at PrestigeTV at Spotify.com regarding The Pit.
And one of the prompts we had put out was this idea of The Pit as a show that we like to watch, maybe not quite week to week, but bank two episodes or so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, kind of give ourselves a little pile, but not a full binge. How are you feeling with that sort of format right now? Yeah, it's been interesting because we're not covering the show week to week.
I tend to sort of skip a week and catch up and watching. I'm watching like two or three at a time, something like that.
I've never let it go for the full stretch between our pods. So I'm like, you know, submerging myself in five hours of trauma or something like that.

at any time. That's a lot of blood.

But I think sort of,

I did want to talk to you

sort of more broadly about,

we've been talking about

Severance and White Lotus

as week-to-week pods

and sort of how the audience

is feeling about

lulls in the middle of a season

or you and I were sort of

talking about severance and white Lotus is week to week pods and sort of how the audience is feeling about lulls in the middle of a season, or you and I were sort of talking about this idea that like, maybe people are a little unused to watching things week to week. I think the pit is like even way more than white Lotus and severance is such a throwback kind of show.
We talked a lot about ER when we first, uh, you know, started covering the pit. And, um, I think they do such a brilliant job of like bleeding storylines through so that you never feel completely lost.
I like this many, you know, we're 11 episodes into a 15 episode season. I no longer need not that I don't have them, but I no longer need nicknames for all the characters.
I know who all the characters are.

And that's great. But we did.

Yeah, we got a ton of emails from people sort of emailing in ideas of what to call a mini binge.

This is something that we asked about.

We're at a little bit of a loss as to what to actually how to trademark this model that we have invented.

Clearly, you and I for watching television.

Yeah.

No one's ever done it before.

And no one will ever do it again. here we got a ton of emails about this uh someone suggested uh seconds sure intermittent binging okay I see what they're doing a sminge I don't like it we're getting somewhere though I we're not quite there but I I momentum of what we're building towards I love a portmanteau smidge plus binge is great but the act of saying the word smidge is simply a no for me chunking like a chunk of episodes that sounds like something else though I don't know what it sounds like but something else cluster viewing sounds aatch.
Batch viewing sort of thing. Twinging.
We got several people saying twinging, twinge, twinning. Anyway, a lot of people really liked the idea of a twin for two and binge together.
Twinging. And last but not least is this is one i'm my favorite is micro binging like micro dosing but you're micro yes i like this yeah that's that's where i'm sort of landing is micro binging uh my only concern about micro binging is that there is a breed of viewer and if this applies to you i'm speaking directly to you and i am begging you to change your habits and your life of people who will binge watch shows but watch them at like 1.5 or 2 or even faster speeds i could see someone misunderstanding a micro binge is like i'm just gonna i'm gonna bust through even this binge watch at a frankly inhuman pace absolutely no i like i know that um i think it was audible got in trouble for putting putting out a sort of ad about how you should not listen to audiobooks at a faster speed than 1.0.
I'm not here to speed shame anyone necessarily. I'm here to speed shame you.
I don't think it's the best way to enjoy a story I would encourage everyone to watch it 1.0

Have I listened to a podcast in my day at like 1.2?

1.0 uh have i listened to a podcast in my day at like 1.2 1.3 i have yeah um but watching a show come on what do you do if you are watching a tv show or a movie at anything beyond 1.0 speed just read the wikipedia you're not enjoying it you're not you and i are not here for the same reasons effectively but i i like those options i do like the batch the batch binge

as well a batch or the batch watching yeah maybe maybe that's like the budding small batch baker

in me where i'm trying to rein in the portions a little bit i'm trying to get things under control

i'm not trying to spend all day watching the pit you know i just want my two hours of dedicated

emotional trauma and then i'm gonna digest for a little while are you a small batch baker

I'm going to go spend all day watching The Pit. I just want my two hours of dedicated emotional trauma, and then I'm going to digest for a little while.
Are you a small batch baker, Rob? Well, not usually. It was somewhat of a foreign concept to me, but at a certain point, you just have so many leftovers, and I can only eat 80% of a batch of cookies so many times in my life before you start modifying your lifestyle.
Got it, got it. All right.
I think in particular, it applies to the pit because of everything we've talked about this show. It is so dense.
There are so many cases. There's just so much flying at you.
It's incredibly stressful. We've been getting lots of emails from people in the medical community, even still talking about the accuracy of this show, but also hearing from people who work in those fields who say, I can't watch it for that reason.
It feels too much like being in the trenches a little bit, like the triage and the flow and the like dealing with patients in this specific way in an ER setting over and over and over. And I would say maybe no more so than this batch of episodes.
We're talking through episode 11 today. Things are just getting increasingly emotional, increasingly gut-wrenching.
And with where we are right now, Joe, how are you feeling about the show overall? How are you feeling about some of the emotional heft of what's being thrown at us? Thanks so much for asking me. I'm having such a good time with The Pit, and I'm so glad it was Rob's sort of idea and insistence that we come back before the finale and do a sort of midway, mid, mid, midway check-in, and I'm so glad.
A midge. Yeah.
I'm so glad you did because this, I love this show. I think it's, I think it's phenomenal.
And I'm so emotionally invested. I think I've, from a, like sort of dissecting it as a craft point of view, I think it's brilliant the way that they've built these characters up slowly.
Like when we first start, we felt a bit overwhelmed by the number of characters. But again, like I said, now I feel like I understand the storylines for everyone, their complicated relationships, the very complicated characterization of people where you don't have anyone who is a villain or a hero or anything like that.
But you, you know, even with someone like Langdon, like a big episode 10 this i went back and sort of re-watched um you know some of the episodes in this window or actually all of the episodes in this window and so watching the build up to that langdon moment and watching like all the wins they give him or all the moments of kindness with mel or anything like that like Like they're not trying to paint someone as, you know, that's the point is like he's flying under the radar. Surely not.
Oh, yes, it is him. Or like, you know, there's wins and losses for everyone.
There's people who frustrate us. And then it turns out that they're the person we need in any given moment.
So all that stuff is really really good and i think having episode eight which which a lot of people like not only wrote in but sort of like tweeted at us blue skied at us you know whatever about episode eight which has um the the honor walk for our like sort of our day one case and then this you know this young girl who dies drowning absolutely gut-wrenching emotion and i think it's having it at the almost exact midway point of a 15 episode season is so smart because they really earned they earned that and we are really feeling for all not just like it would be sad no matter what if we had to watch like a parents grieve a little girl who died accidentally. But to watch Robbie have to navigate that or to watch Mel have to navigate the nuances of talking to the sister with like the little stuffed bear and stuff like that.
Like, that's all stuff that is extremely earned deep character stuff for us at this point and then this is the last thing i'll say and i'll wrap up like we i think 11 you were so smart to pick this episode maybe by coincidence but like this is the perfect episode to check in on because it feels like the rest of the season is going to be something else entirely we're going to swing into a stretch of dealing with a mass trauma, a mass shooting. And so to think of it sort of broken down that way, and we were making all these jokes at the beginning of the season about like a 15 episode season.
And I think I even accidentally said 18, a 15 episode season in this economy. But like, look at all you can do when you have that time to stretch and grow.
Especially structurally too, not only are you hitting all those emotional beats and those character beats that you mentioned, but we're now at a point in the story where Langdon is out. Collins has been sent home.
The kids are going to have to step up and play an even bigger role in the treatment of so many patients. And Robbie himself is kind of coming apart at the seams and really can't stand still for more than 30 seconds at this point because he's being pulled

in all these directions.

And so when you have all of these disparate bits

of character development, you know,

Mel has been acclimating herself really well

to figuring out like how to regulate

and the emotional toll of being in this specific ER.

Whitaker has been learning how to communicate with patients

and the patient's family's a lot better.

And we've seen kind of the slow roll development of that and him finally get some wins. He also snapped a rat's neck.
We're going to move on. Santos.
Before the rat's neck, I really am so sorry to interrupt you in your flow. I really need a Rob Mahoney weigh in on the moment when Whitaker crumbs a Kimbo at the workstation and Robby comes out and he's like don't eat out here and like Robbie like angrily slaps the crumbs basically on onto the floor Rob Mahoney crumb take uh and we wonder how we got rats you know it's it's really not a great mystery and as far as Whitaker's behavior less concerning than the fact that he has a full-on conversation with the rat when he encounters it in a subsequent episode.
So everyone is coping in their own way. Some people will listen to some ocean sounds.
Some people are calling their kids. Some people are talking to rats.
Santos is out here being right, I think, to a degree that we needed her to be right. Like, we needed her to have some wins.
We needed that character to follow her instincts on some things and turn out correct. Not just about Langdon, but like the MDAC MDMA seizure.
The person who's like in the ice bath. She's actually the person who gives like the winning advice basically on how to keep that person alive.
And even Javadi's staying on her feet. You know, she's probably taking the biggest L's of anyone uh some big swings and misses on the office dating yeah you know it's day one you don't have to swing that hard that fast she tried she really tried it she really did but she's keeping at it who can blame her mateo is the he's in hot he's a hot commodity absolute dreamboat of the er absolute exhusbands are coming in, taking one look at this guy and being like, I have identified the problem.
Oh, I can't wait to talk about Chad. I'm a big Chad fan, honestly.
Chad is, he seems like pretty bad. Pretty bad dad.
Seemingly a bad skateboarder. Oh, yeah.
Questionable judge of character and his future partners. We're going to get into all of that uh but i think we also too in some of these characters especially the more senior members of the staff we've reached the point in the patient cycle where they are starting to treat almost like mirror versions of themselves like collins helping to deliver a complicated pregnancy you have dr bangs who's treating this like single mom with her,

you know, young daughter who's kind of taking care of her. And they're having to confront all

of these different things about their own lives. Honestly, I feel like that's kind of true of the

show for the viewers too. Like every case is not going to hit you, but good Lord, Joe, you put

a little girl writing a card to her dead sister in a waiting room and I'm just going to be torn

apart. I think there's so many different beats that can really hit you hard emotionally on the pit and for me i think that one most of all but i gotta say the honor walk too i also found just tremendously affecting and a lot of that is because of the production of this specific show it's not just this idea which i think is is elegant and is noble of everyone and it really reflects not just in a different mode of TV making, but a different sensibility of the characters on TV.
This idea that these are noble people doing their best at their job and taking a moment to honor this patient who died. But also the production value of a show that says, we don't need treacly music over the top of this.
We don't need an overwrought speech. Like you're just going to let it ride.
And you're going to believe that you have built the character and the story enough to that point that all of this is going to pay off in such a huge way. And it really did.
So, okay, two things. It's hard, not that you asked me, it's hard for me to pick my favorite character, my favorite performance.
Like Noah Wiley obviously, is holding the show up on his shoulders. But I said this last time.
I do think that Mel, Taylor Dearden is Mel. There's so many little choices and little moments and little reactions every time she asks if she can sit in on a case.
And she just gets excited about whatever that's going's gonna be have you ever seen a person so happy as when she finds out she gets to pick thousands of pieces of gravel out of a man's leg oh my god after after getting hang out with a dog uh she's having what a day she's having a great time she's thrilled um i love her and so to watch her her uncertainty her of this sort of stuff, and then to watch her with this little girl that like because the little girl with the card is sad. Obviously.
The teddy bear, the like hugging the bear. Mel's whole like tell the bear.
And we know that Mel has this relationship with her sister. And it's just like that absolutely killed me.
But then when Robbie was like, we would like to come to the funeral for your son during the honor walk. I was just like, I lost it.
I absolutely lost it. And I think this show is phenomenal.
and that's a great example we talked about this sort of in earlier coverage

the fentanyl overdose

the teenage son with the fentanyl overdose who is now become an organ donor that's a what eight episode long arc and so you don't and he actually died i would guess in episode four or so like it's been a long tale in terms of the parents processing as much as actually treating their son. Right, exactly.
And so you don't get, even on ER, Grey's Anatomy or whatever, you don't get an eight episode, usually. Yeah.
An eight episode arc, unless it's a love interest for a character or something like that.

This is just like these parents going through this inconceivable, terrible thing. And so then to watch the whole hospital kind of come to a standstill for this moment felt right, you know, for a character that we had been invested in this long or something like Doug Driscoll punching Dana like something that we built towards for like five episodes something like that like it was you you and I knew last time we talked that this is going to go off in some way this is not how I thought it was going to go off though but it was just sort of like they built that and they earned it um you know yeah absolutely I think all those powder keg elements really work.
I think there's a lot of subtle writing in the show that helps you as a viewer understand not just what are the affecting cases to you personally, like you're going to feel what you feel when you watch this show, but you can tell that the doctors and nurses on the floor are asking about the little girl who drowned, are asking about the kid who died from the fentanyl overdose and the family. Like you can tell the cases and the instances that are really hitting everybody hard where they want to know, even if they're not working those cases, they want to know a little bit more about them.
And I think you're right that Noah Wiley is being put in a position to just hit home runs every single time, not with big emotional speeches, because there's no time for a big emotional speech, but just these just interrupted before we can even get started. But he gets the moment, he gets the reaction, he gets the bit of tenderness that he's expressing to these families.
And there will be a push for him, I am sure, come awards season, there will be a push for the pit overall as a dramatic series, I would think come awards season. I really hope there is one for Taylor Dearden, too.
I think I agree with you that not only is Mel such a great, well-conceived character and one that I think could very easily edge into something overly broad on a different kind of show. Overly quirky.
Overly, exactly, overly quirky. So it's a great character, but that performance is wonderful, even on a really deep ensemble cast.
Yeah, it's very much.

That's such a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way, that this could easily be a sort of monk-esque lead of her own character's welcome kind of medical show.
And the fact that it's just such a nuanced. And again, like I said last time, I've seen Taylor Dearden in other things, and this is not her usual speed.
So it's even all the more impressive to see her with her sort of like mousy blonde hair slicked all the way down the glasses on and just sort of like fully embodying this this character and again Mel works so well on her own but then also like her connection with Langdon yeah works so well for the overall like symphony that they're trying to craft here because like Langdon butting ahead with Santos or or being arrogant about this that or the other thing um if we send him home and he's just been like Dr. Ken the whole time then it it's not as we don't feel the betrayal that Robbie feels Robbie feels betrayed and we And we do too, because we were like, we're rooting for you because in all these other edges, you have these softer rounded moments that really we connect with.
When he admires the way that Mel deals with the patient on the spectrum, you know what I mean? And he's just sort of like, and he seems like someone who's like willing to learn a bit despite all the things he already knows that's a character we want to root for and we're excited to see how he grows from there is this the last we see of him i don't know he's calling a bunch you mentioned collins and langdon go home but does that stay true if it's an all hands on deck mass shooter situation you know maybe not and And the timing at this point, there's like an hour left in the shift, but obviously more than just one hour of television left. So something is going to stretch on here.
We saw, I think, at the outset of the season, a lot of the previous shifts cases kind of rolling in, right? Like the mother-daughter abortion plot line. There was like a veteran who had passed away that Robbie had to meet with their family right so we're at the point where the cases are trying to bleed over into someone else's problem theoretically but yeah there's a mass shooting which it it seems to be and i hate to say joe i hate to take too big a victory lap we called that from jump street pit fest pit fest was not looking good uh everyone was a little too a little too jazzed at the prospect of going to pit fest jake was like can't wait to go to pit fest with my girlfriend i'm like oh no yeah not looking good for jake but i i agree with you it seems like just based on the frequency and quantity of calls langdon will be back in some capacity even if it's just a one-off conversation with robbie or something at the end of the day can i ask you i don't want to to spend too much time on speculating what's to come because there's so much to talk about what has happened.
Obviously, we're covering several episodes. I have this dread watching Robbie handle this.
And they're obviously sort of seeding this. I'm like, is Robbie being set up to be not take the fall for like the the drugs missing but like he who knows about it right now dana knows santos who is like nobody else really likes her sort of character even garcia is turning on her right and then all season what have you been hearing robbie robbie's off today robbie's having a bad Robbie's having a bad day.
Don't mess with Robbie today. We've got the Princess and Perla, our beloved Filipina nurses, are gossiping about it.
Like, so I'm like, is there is there a version of the story where Robbie isn't believed or however it was that he handled it was, you know, and then we and then Langdon comes back anyway.

I'm just worried about. where Robbie isn't believed or however it was that he handled it was,

you know, and then Langdon comes back anyway.

I'm just worried about Robbie.

I'm really worried about him, like, you know,

and I'm worried about a season long,

he's erratic, he's erratic, he's erratic

sort of warning bell that's been ringing, you know?

I could see that outcome.

I could also see, you know,

we see him hesitate to flush the pills. We see him try to basically give them back to the patient that the pills were stolen from in the first place yeah there's obviously such a bleeding heart compassionate part of dr robbie where is he i think he's going to draw the hard line on langdon can't come back here but in terms of this is the kind of information that would sink a doctor's career right that would cause huge professional huge professional repercussions.
Lose your license, I think. Lose your license.
Yeah. And so will Dr.
Robbie draw the line at you can't be here and you need to go to rehab or you need to seek some kind of treatment, but I don't want to torpedo everything that you've been building. I have such professional respect for you to this point.
And part of the reason I wonder if we're headed in that direction is this show is not ER. Legally speaking, The Pit is not ER.
We must reiterate for all purposes. If Michael Crichton's widow is listening, this is not ER.
Which we know she is. Some spoilers here for ER, because I know a lot of people have started watching it as a result of The Pit.
So if you don't want to hear spoilers, please jump significantly ahead here as I drop a little bit. But there's a big ER storyline where Noah Wiley's character, John Carter, gets hooked on painkillers.
Correct. And if you conceive of this show, which is not ER, as something that was perhaps written to be a sequel to ER, it would make sense that an older John Carter would want to be compassionate to another addict going through a similar situation and maybe try to help Langdon in some way that we haven't seen Dr.
Robbie help him so far. It's so funny.
We're still talking about that ER spoiler in case you skipped ahead here and you're wondering. It happens deep into the show to John Carter.
Deepish. That show ran for a long time but um i mean six-ish seasons of network length television then is quite deep there's there's a moment in in this stretch of episodes when robbie like sort of twinges his back and i was like is there a version of this show where robbie has the baggie of pills in his pocket and he like takes one and i was like Yeah.
They can't do that again. They can't give us John Carter 2.0.
Like, I can't.

I can't do that again they can't they can't give us john carter 2.0 like i can't i can't do it uh but i did think i was like i was like oh no check off uh back muscle i have no idea look back pain is no joke does not fuck around very sympathetic to anyone who needs to take drugs for back pain it will absolutely mess you up uh but like in a

closing the loop way it was really cool to see noah wiley on the other side of a very similar confrontation like you can go back and watch these scenes on youtube from er have you did you watch them i did watch them there's some like very beat for beat similarities as far as the kinds of excuses that addicts try to make in these situations the ways they try to evade like it to give noah wiley that opportunity and to come at it with such like uncompromising emotional heft like there is not a moment of hesitation for him it is a black and white issue if these drugs are in your locker you are fucking out of here and he's right to do it and i i don't think at this point you could ask for a better like a better medical oriented actor to deliver that sort of moment in a show like this than Noah Wiley. I love that you're toe dipping ER.
That's really exciting to me. I think that like, I'm curious to hear again, as you mentioned, we've gotten so many great emails from medical professionals, Prestige TV at Spotify.com.
If you have insight into this, I'm curious about the caution. This is it's a legal issue.
It's also a reputation issue. Yeah.
And so we did get an email from Kieran who mentioned that not only is this sort of a moral issue for someone like Dr. Robbie, but Robbie himself would be legally responsible for anything that Langdon did as a resident who's like under his umbrella the i'm curious about the secrecy around it um you know him asking data to look into this him him saying to santos like please don't talk to anyone about this her talking to garcia garcia saying i want nothing to do with this also your trouble like fuck you garcia but like um like i want nothing to do with this so like, yeah, yeah is this a I don't want to be called into court to testify like or sort of circling the wagons around ones your own you know sort of like I don't feel like I remember this from medical procedurals but definitely from like a police procedural or something like I don't want to know about this misconduct because we have a strict policy of like protect our own or turn a blind eye or whatever and once you say it then we have to act on it yes like i was it was giving that for me i'm very curious to see how that all pans out in the next four hours question mark or is this a season two plot i don't know it's true yeah i mean these things could definitely stretch on and to the extent we've not seen the end of langdon it could be in a season two return in some capacity or another season two was a court case honestly would not hate it and frankly given how many of these medical cases are bumping up against the law at this point there's so many like legal and police implications of so many of these cases they're trying to work out.
A real missed opportunity, Joe, on a Chicago Med style branching out spinoff. Like where's our Pitt PD? Like where? Pitt law? We're just leaving money on the table.
I mean, don't don't threaten HBO with a good time. They're in the IP business these days.
You never know. Would watch.
But but how did you feel about the Langdon reveal in general? You mentioned you revisited some of the episodes. Like now that you know where things end up for him, did you see enough clues and breadcrumbs and indications to think, okay, this makes sense? Well, we had talked about this because the previous episode we covered did have Santos being like asking questions.
Yes. And we were talking about Santos as a kind of character where it's so easy for us the audience to not believe her because she's so abrasive um and so the way in which the show is sort of testing us on that front but watching her ask mel for example langdon's pet his his favorite um all of our favorite if we're being really honest about it if Mel had noticed anything about Dr.
Langdon and she was like no um and she's like well he sweats a lot but I don't know that might be genetic and I was like I mean or an addict might sweat a lot if they're like in between doses or whatever you know what I mean like i was like that's interesting but yeah the the progression of dana showing her sort of the system of how to enter the drugs and take them out the essentially my understanding is that he was resealing the containers with medical adhesive it's his purple adhesive and so i think essentially when santos sees the purple adhesive used elsewhere she's's like, oh, that's what this is. I thought that, I don't know.
I thought it was really brilliantly rolled out. And like right before the reveal reveal, you have Collins accusing Langdon of being an adrenaline junkie.
And he's like, what'd you call me? He does react very strangely. I will say this is the one bit of that that did not work for me because i agree with you i actually think it was quite quite definitely threaded in terms of very small markers that you would easily gloss over until the adrenaline junkie remark because yes him reacting that way to someone calling him any kind of junkie makes sense under the circumstances the reason she's calling him an adrenaline junkie is because he's talking about, can I make it to the grocery store to buy some salmon after work? So it felt like they really wanted to get to the adrenaline junkie and they just like, okay, salmon, here we go.
Rob, as a person who on this very podcast feed has asked for fishmonger advice, I have. Did you feel personally attacked by this question? Look, I think, look, you're not going to make it to a fishmonger after work.
Fishmongers are very much like a 6 a.m. to 2 p.m.
kind of endeavor. So you're not going to get the highest quality product, but can he make it to a reasonably good grocery store to get a piece of salmon? I think he can, and I don't think that makes him an adrenaline junkie.
Yeah, no, I don't think adrenaline junkie is the word I would use. But I did kind of like her point of like, you always have to do the most.
Yes, you're getting the dog for the family. He does seem like he's just impulsive and chasing after things in a way that contrasts with how we see him as a doctor, right? And this is sort of the idea of someone who can be sort of competent to a point in their professional lives so they can obscure what's going on underneath, obscure their addiction.
But when you really look under the hood, they're just doing erratic things all over the place for themselves and the families for everyone around them. It's tough scenes for Dr.
Langdon. As I mentioned, I don't really need the nicknames anymore i know who langdon is but i did change his name in my notes from dr ken to dr benzo just just so he knows that that's his new updated it is updated dr is eternal that's a you that's a that's a mahoney ism we're never moving past dr but i'm adding dr benzo into the mix there was a point in this section of episodes too where myrna who's the woman in the wheelchair in the waiting room perpetually just sort of like snoozing snacking chopping it up with the doctors yeah she tries to nickname re-nickname whitaker turned huckleberry as pussycat yes i'm not not in favor of it and this is all pre-rat so you know like it really was like a it was nominative determinism at the end of the day.
I think she really willed the rat thing into happening. Wow.
I love that. How do you, how do you feel about the other side of the Langdon issue, Joe, which is to say, we have been talking all season about Santos, about how we feel about this character.
You're right that we identified her to be wrong early, to be right about something big later, that just seemed like where the narrative thrust of the show was going. But where does all this leave us with Santos? Because we learn a lot about her in these episodes and the way she navigates.
Do you feel like it changes the way you look at her as a character? I think not only the Langdon issue, but also the storyline where the father was potentially molesting his daughter and his wife was putting progesterone in his coffee um I think that her I mean the moment there where she has you know security stand outside the door and sort of his posturing that's like a big dramatic moment but what it reveals about her as someone who is like hyper vigilant to the misdeeds of perhaps men specifically and perhaps men that other people admire i think that all works together of a piece that she is her abrasiveness is hand in hand because her abrasiveness perhaps due to whatever terrible shit she clearly has gone through in her life, goes hand in hand with her ability to see through facades quite easily or easier than some other people can or not fall for charm, etc, etc. And so I think I really love those as sort of like interlocking pieces of information we get about her.

And I and I also think i really love those as sort of like interlocking pieces of information we get about her um and i and i also think that like even with the you know with um mel or javadi or whitaker see i know everyone's name now um sorry it's pussycat crash you know etc she's not she's not being as shitty with them uh but she's still being kind of shit yeah she's still being kind of shitty i honestly appreciate like i'm i'm really glad that post langdon she's not warm and fuzzy santos all of a sudden like she she still is abrasive she'll she still is who she is and i like that before the big reveal with langdon we get so much messy context context between them. Like when Langdon blows up at her.
Yes. In the one time where she tries to do something to benefit the team and not herself.
Like the timing of that is so perfect. Because isn't that when she's giving Dr.
Mohan cover basically for saving the MDMA patient? Yes. But I wasn't sure if that's what she was, if she did it altruistically to give Mohan cover or if she did it intentionally because she was trying to antagonize him into revealing his true colors.
Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. I would think that'd be very deft of her to operate in that way.
Her explanation was, hey, he's mad at me anyway, so might as well be me. But given her, she doesn't seem like a nice person who would cover for people for no good reason.
So I kind of, and this is just my interpretation, but I kind of like the idea that she was like, I know how to set someone like this off. And if I set him off in front of other people, they see what i see in him you know what i mean very well observed i think that's absolutely in the cards and i think the fact that we get those sorts of scenes that we get santos continuing to be you know i think especially with her fellow like the fellow residents and the medical and the med students like she still is puffing her chest out a bit she still is a transactional operator at the end of the day and i think even with langdon okay she's right and and i you know all of that but i do think she also kind of likes being the one to tell other people like oh langdon went home oh a hundred percent she can't wait to tell garcia and it's under the guise of oh can you please not talk about this to anybody else but i feel like she really just wants to tell someone that she was right.
I think that's part of it. And again, that's part of what's done really well about the show, giving us these characters who are Santos's right.
She is in the right over Langdon in this particular circumstance, but also is still going to challenge us in terms of rooting for her. Yeah.

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Are there any cases in particular you want to talk about? You know, we mentioned Chad the skateboarder. We talked about the dad, possibly abusive dad, who's being dosed with progesterone.
I'm open to those. I'm open to any way you want to take it.
What stuck out for you in terms of the caseload? The Ringer is a sports network in theory. So I've heard.
Yes. Yeah.
I know you're a basketball guy, but you want to talk about our teenage baseball player with the eye?

Because that's one of the gnarliest things I've ever seen in my life. Big, gnarly alert alarms in my notes.
Watching a scalpel that close to an eye is an incredibly uncomfortable experience. And I will say, basically this exact thing is the reason I never made it past Little League Baseball.
There comes a point the pitches and the the line drives are just coming a little too fast for what i'm comfortable with and now you see why this was this was tough oh it's nasty like great makeup job on the eye and then like yeah watching i mean we see we see digging around an eye um and also like the the crowding of a baby like there's a lot of like great body part prosthetic work going on on this uh show um but yeah the eye and then the way that the eye storyline with the father in the room and how javadi is sort of like over identifying and how dr bangs is clockinging all of this and Robbie is consulting. I just thought that was just sort of like a perfect brew of like, here's to your point, a case that mirrors a doctor and another doctor learning a bit more about, you know, their their fellow employee and all of that.
And I think what's interesting, something that we had talked about in terms of the challenges of the concept of the show let's set it in er over i guess 15 hours of a shift um something that i was pointing out a difference from er if michael creighton's widow is listening is like we are not going home with our doctors the way that we did on ER but the way in which they found ways to bring home into the ER I mean our guide Chad obviously your favorite character Chad is here of course uh with Harrison um so Dr. Bangs his home life is represented Jake swings by for the past is right uh Javadi's mom obviously works there.
We get Santos' abuse background. We get Mel FaceTiming her sister.

We... bye for the past is right uh javadi's mom obviously works there yeah get santos's like abuse background we get mel facetiming her sister uh we know that langdon's got to get salmon on the table for his wife and kids so there's ways in which home life is making its way as it would in a workplace right i think just sort of like clever ways to sort of bring all of that in without some of the clumsy exposition stuff we had sort of flagged in the first couple episodes, like with, I think, Dr.
Bane especially, like,

just some stuff that felt a little bit, like, you know, blatantly expositional. This is more

sort of, like, let's weave certain home life stuff into the main plot. I thought, oh, that's

really smart. I think Mel is at least my favorite.
It sounds like your favorite too. Dr.
Bang's though, maybe the most improved player as the season has gone on. I've really come to appreciate her place in the show and even some of her bedside manner, which I thought she maybe shared a bit too much to some earlier patients.
But at this this point in the season you can really understand and feel her frustrations with trying to help people specifically who are not prepared to help themselves like the sex trafficking case the woman who's being sex trafficked and i mean really thinking like really light on her feet with dana too in terms of oh we're gonna whisk this woman away to the ct scan room so we can have a private conversation with her Like she's doing everything right and just cannot get this woman to admit what is happening. And I think that's such a relatable instinct and frustration to have to be the person who's like lining everything up just so.
And then it still goes to shit. No wonder Chad is like still really into her.
No wonder. I don't know.
Mateo is into her. I'm Dr.
Bang. She's got something for me.
Most improved player is either javadi or mohan you're saying javadi even though she whiffed on the the date offer so bad that was just like so humanizing to watch her do that it's again though it's day there there are two things in the show that have stuck out to me as like you're really doing this in the same day one is her asking him out on her first day of work the other one is robbie and gloria having the same administrative conversation on the hospital floor eight times over the first six hours of this shit we got a crazy jake and steve and several other people emailed us about the gloria because that's that's what strains credulity of the 15 hour shift concept is like how many times gloria is down there now if gloria comes down for a mass shooting, that makes a ton of sense, like that she would be down there, but like how many times a day can you be like, improve your, you know, uh, turnaround time or improve your patient scores or whatever, or else, or else it's that's it's, it was a bit silly. Especially.
I feel like in episode one or episode two of the show you could have him have one meeting with gloria in which the stakes are established like you've got to get your patient satisfaction scores up you've got to move people in and out of here quickly and then it informs the way you look at the action over the course of the whole season but she doesn't need to keep coming down with various venture capitalists being like we're gonna buy your hospital listen she put that sharp blazer on that morning she was really feeling herself and she has a lot i can't blame her um but for mohan like you know aka aka slow mo like i think that like watching her have these wins have these wins in her way watching her be right sometimes and wrong sometimes uh she she i think has the most like it's never easy to say oh her way is the right way because sometimes her way is the wrong way and so watching robbie get exasperated with her but then defend her. You know what I mean? Watch him with the drug-seeking patient, the guy who's in town for his daughter's wedding.
Watching Robbie chew her out, but then be on her side in front of the patient. I find her a really fascinating aspect of all that.
And watching her interact with the other the residents and the and the med students too i think is really interesting yes yeah i think there's a bunch of little miniature crises of confidence happening with all these characters but you see that with mel sometimes where she's wondering like do i have the special thing that these are the special sauce that these other doctors have do i have my thing how could she think that so soon after she like walked into this guy on the spectrum's room and like turn off all the lights and closed all the doors and was like let me go get a little model of an ankle bone for you so you can understand what's going on like yeah mel you are made of special sauce you're the best but then she met patch adams and she's like, well, we got, we have bits now. I'm not equipped for that.
No, not all of us can do bits. That's true.
That's true. But, but Dr.
Mohan, to your point, like her, her case and her results are so complex and are so complex in ways that even when she is successful, as you said, it's not what Dr. Robbie wants.
And in the way that he as a doctor would treat those patients. And that's such a fascinating idea.
This, this concept of you can be very right. And also this other doctor can be right in their way and still be disappointed in you, despite the fact that you helped treat this patient.
It's, it puts her in such an impossible place, especially as she is overcoming this, this sort of like empathy hump of wanting to spend so much time with people and wanting to over diagnose and over care. And she's having to do things a little faster and learn on the fly.
And she's having to give herself pep talks along the way as many of these doctors are. The old empathy hump.
Yeah, absolutely. Where are you? We talked about the baseball injury.
As far as gnarly watch goes, I think there are a couple key candidates. One, yes, the high school baseball player swollet and i who has to have the blood drained out of it to the burn victim who has to get full up sliced and diced to relieve the pressure in his abdomen you know in a very like alien catching kind of way yeah like 90 death probability according to langdon that's a lot that's a lot to put him through that's an interesting part of this too they do all they put all these resources yes into something that they know is probably not going to go any you know like all the time they spent trying to revive that little girl all the time they spent trying to help this burn victim knowing that he it's unlikely or all the moments we talked about this at the beginning of the

season this idea of like how much the jargon's flying fast and furious but the way in which they use it to like you have something i think it was our guy nurse jesse uh you know um silver fox nurse jesse on the phone like gets off and he has like a i don't know a potassium read or something whatever it is, on the little girl.

And the way he just says it,

like, I don't know a potassium read or something whatever it is on the little girl and the way he just says it like i don't know what that means but i know what that means which is like it's curtains right it's not good you know um and so they're you know they'll say something that means nothing to me about stats and and and what this reading is and so then i have to rely on their reactions they're just sort of micro reactions sometimes especially when they're trying not to have like a big reaction in front of the loved ones i think that's like a really a really brilliant thing um i'm so impressed too by the way that the more senior members of the staff communicate so directly and succinctly with the families of the victims as they are treating them right right? It's like we are, it's, it, all alarms are going off. They're trying to get someone's heartbeat up.
They're trying to get them to breathe again. And they're also conveying all this information to their loved ones who are panicking in the room, trying to figure out what's happening.
And that's where you see some of the younger members of the staff, like trying to figure out how to do that. How do you multitask in a way where you're giving chest compressions and briefing the patient's family as to what needs to happen for them to get their breath back there's also these little moments of especially with again senior staff um where they will communicate to someone like this person's not going to make it but we're not going to say that out loud right now you know what i mean so like when dana comes up and there's the sister of the little girl and she gets just like one look and she's like should we go color you know what i mean like this is what's needed here or when they go in um and and kiara the social worker is in with the little girl and her grandmother and they just like walk in and give her a look like it it's it's no it's a no you know um there is a lot of that shorthand i will say there is still at this stage in the season a little bit of very special episode sauce on top and i think kiara gets burdened with a lot of it because she's always brought in late in the game and she has to explain the social issue that they're talking about the one that jumped out so badly i thought in this set of episodes is after dana gets hit after she gets punched in the face and you can tell how revered that character is by the way everyone is doting on her yeah absolutely by us like it's a great performance it's a great character and then you get this actual line of dialogue from this otherwise very good show violence against health care workers is a national problem and it's only getting worse yeah it's a bad line inside of a great moment where they start talking about strikes and then like robbie uh voice like voice them off on gloria like that's a that's a great moment did we i'm sorry did they interrupt your your gnarlow meter are there oh yeah yeah i think there's just i'm gonna put the miracle of childbirth off to the side that's kind its own thing.
The other one that registered for me was the guy who came in with the partially degloved finger that has the bone has to be sanded down. And as this is happening, he's taken a pass at Dr.
Collins. Find you a guy who can do both among us.
But like it's it. It's an always no for me when it comes to a degloving.
That's just like an automatic. But even relative relative to an eye swelling and scalpling? Degloving.
I just think the fact that we've come up with this word for it, which is so evocative. If there were like a similar word for eyeball swelling, then yeah, but degloving.
We haven't talked much about Collins amongst all the other. Is that, do we feel like that says something about the impression that the character's making or the way she I mean obviously watching her miss Carrie inside of uh this batch of episodes having to then you know having just helped a young woman with um you know abortion and delivering this baby and her reactions to all this but i think chiefly for me it's that conversation that she has with robbie uh in the ambulance is like the real you know like dana's with her all of that sort of stuff but the the robbie collins stuff which again is something we clocked right at the beginning of like they seem like they have a history yeah but once again having our beloved princess and perla like be like those two definitely fucked and then to have that conversation in the ambulance where you know she tells him basically that she aborted their child yeah um and he has that reaction of like wanting to support her through what she's currently going through wanting not to like want to support her in the decision she previously made while also grappling this guy who like has jake but doesn't have like kids of his own like this other future you know of like what would that have been you know he and he says inside of that conversation like I had it coming like you know I I wasn't I wasn't showing up inside of that relationship that's before he hears this part but like so I don't know that Robbie would have been a great father uh material uh in that moment but I thought that was just a good one.
He's hospital daddy. Yeah.
There you go. Oh, delightful.
But because Scrub Daddy is trademarked and already taken by the sponges. It's a great point.
I honestly didn't think about Scrub Daddy, but he is that too. But that scene I thought was so well written and so well performed.
Yep. I thought that was easily the standout of the Collins stuff so far, which I don't love saying because the things that that character is going through are so heavy and emotional.
And look, Joe, you and I have found ourselves spoilers for other shows we're covering on the Prestige TV podcast talking about miscarriage a lot lately. And it's something that i feel like tv taps into very often as this identifiable understandable pain point for so many characters who are pregnant for so many characters who are trying to get pregnant who are desperate to be parents who are like trying to embrace that life change for themselves i i don't know what it is about the collins presentation in the earlier episodes of this season or that, that performance.
None of it is bad, but I don't think it I don't think it ever popped for me until this conversation with Robbie. And maybe that's as simple as the circumstances of the show didn't really allow for it.
Like she is keeping everything so buttoned up. Yeah.
That she doesn't have her moment to kind of let emotionally. Yeah.
Yeah. I think that's a good point.
I think her serenity throughout the season has been like an important ingredient in the mix here but her relative serenity but like um uh yeah giving her that moment that conversation with him i thought was so good him sending her home i hope that's not the last we see of her um for the season yeah i hope so too, as far as what we have still in the air,

you know, there's some cases still in process.

We obviously have the shooting at Pit Fest,

which I guess we'll see if Jake and or his girlfriend

are among the people rolled in

and certainly hope not.

Robbie, it really does feel like

he's kind of coming apart a little bit.

He's shorter to anger.

He has less help than he did at the start of the shift to say the least. He already having a rough day as you said he's been very off from the start don't feel like he's going to be dealing with everything super well over this last part of the season what do you feel like we uh have gleaned from the flashbacks you know we got a little bit more flashback information um since the last batch of episodes like what what is your understanding of what happened on that day um that we lost dr adamson i think we got the sense so there's this bit of explanation about i think it's called the ecmo machine yeah about how basically at a certain point dr adamson had to be taken off the machine that they basically kept him on it as as they possibly could, but there came a point where other patients needed it.
And so to me, it is, of course, about Dr. Robbie having to deal with and treat his mentor in this incredibly difficult circumstance, right? High anxiety environment of kind of a COVID hospital setting, but also the agonizing give and take of the resources in a hospital setting when a bunch of things are happening at once.
And I would assume we're about to get a bunch of people rolled into the ER coming from Pit Fest. Difficult decisions are gonna have to be made as far as who do you keep on these life support systems? Which patients that are in the hospital now are gonna have to be moved or relocated or taken off those systems in order to prioritize people coming in with real and immediate trauma.
And so I kind of feel like that's what we're heating up as much as anything is this idea that you have to make split second medical decisions that almost necessarily put other people's life in jeopardy. The ECMO machine is an extracorporeal membrane oxygenation.
And yeah, it essentially like keeps we yeah, they explained it. do you get one of those? Can you eBay that shit? I don't know.
I think you call the same number you call to get Interpol to come to a White Lotus. So yeah.
Okay. So that's my understanding is like, it was COVID times.
It was rough anyway. Adamson's on this machine.
Resources are thin as they constantly talk about and another patient needed it. So it's not just that his beloved mentor, which inside another very special episode plotline, which is the origin of the EMTs and all that sort of stuff like that, which is really cool history that I didn't know about, so I loved learning about it, but it was in a slightly very special episode kind of way.
But inside of that, we have that the dementia patient with the pacemaker knew Adamson and so could like talk about him as well. I thought that was really effective.
But yeah, to think about Robbie as someone who had to like make the call to take his mentor off this life-saving

machine because resources were stretched so thin inside of a national health emergency is yeah something something that that surely will pop in the final episodes are we are we going to see

so in the final episodes. Are we are we going to see so will Langdon and Collins come back on shift? How much of like other doctors are going to come on shift to help with a mass shooting or the other shift that's due to come in, you know, the next shift that's due to relieve them? Like, are we going to add a bunch of new characters, uh, in, in the back section of the season? Are we emotionally prepared for that much capacity to be? I just learned everyone's name, Rob.
So I don't think it's going to be that many more. I would love a Sean Hadassi return, right? It's maybe he's coming in for the next shift.
He can help kind of ease some of the load on Robbie. It's just, he had a nothing part for 10 minutes of one episode.
I would have to think he's going to be back in the mix at some point. And maybe that will be enough.
I think Collins might be back helping and actually treating patients and Langdon will come back, but not be allowed to help. Like, you know, maybe some conversations, maybe some closure on some of that plot line but ultimately he made his bed yeah sean haddesee is is is what i'm like sort

of most looking forward to because if you go back to that original conversation they had

um i was expecting more of him like it's been so not that he was going to come back on

shift because he was at the end of a long shift when we saw him at the beginning of the season

he was on the roof staring down the edge joe i think he needed a minute it wasn't great but i was like are we just i assumed we would like see him in flashbacks or something like that but um no i i am eagerly awaiting uh you know it's like all of our shows are bleeding together but i'm just sort of like where's patricia arquette where's? And where's Sean Hattersy at? The nineties person in me wants to know. So, yeah.
Well, what else jumped out to you from these episodes? Is there anything else you want to hit before we close out? Great question. Thanks so much for asking.
Okay. So we got an email from Lauren.
I don't want to, I know you're, you're just toe dipping on ER. You're not an ER expert.
So I don't want to like strain you on this, but like Lauren emailed to ask us if we could pick an ER actor to make a

cameo in the pit,

who would it be and why?

Oh yeah.

I'm not going to necessarily ask you that question though.

If you have an answer,

cause I know,

you know,

some people are on ER,

but like my,

my question is more,

do you want an ER cameo or do you feel like not only just would that give michael cranes widow more fodder for a legal case but it would feel like a little gimmicky inside of a show that's not very gimmicky you know it's tough because it's not gimmicky but also it's a noah wiley medical drama so by definition it sort of is i like i can't pretend that this isn't what we're doing here yeah that said as someone who is not that familiar with er other than the core cast and the history and overall like the uh the indelible impression left by that show i'm not super eager for it i like the cast that we've established i like this group of characters do i need more tyranny rolling in as the mom of one of the shooting victims like i i don't but i not going to be mad about it okay did you have an answer for this who do you want to see I will say for the ER diehards who are listening or the newcomers I won't spoil anything with this character but the actress Kelly Martin played a character called Lucy Knight on ER and she and John had like a, like a friendship and whatever else ship. And she was involved in like a very important storyline in ER.
I think that would be really fun because there's other actors. Like, I mean, if Clooney were on or, you know, et cetera, et cetera, if Jillian and Margulies wanted to show up.
And Clooney has shown he will show up for the check,

whether it's Nespresso or DC or otherwise.

Like he will show up.

It's true.

Eric LaSalle, who played Dr. Benton,

who was Carter's like mentor.

Like, you know, there are other things,

but like Kelly Martin would be a great one

because she's not,

she's done a lot of like lifetime adjacent stuff, but she hasn't done a ton of stuff recently that people will be like, oh my god, it's George Clooney. That's distracting.
Right, right, right. But oh, it's Kelly Martin.
I remember her from, I don't know, I think it's like two seasons of ER. That could be kind of fun of fun but yeah I don't want anything gimmicky and I kind of like the level of actor we've seen come through I don't I'm not distracted I recognize a few of the sort of like hey it's that guy sort of this was one of the prompts I had for you Joe which was which of the that guy guest stars did you enjoy the most? Were you the most excited to see? We've had so many patients and patients' families roll through.
Who stuck out to you in that regard? Okay. I don't mean to be weird about this.
Chad is played by Rob Heaps, who is a British actor who was in this show called Impostors that was on for a season. He's done a couple other things, but he's in this show called Impostors that was about a female con artist, which is just catnip to me.
Love that. That was such a good show, and it was just completely ignored and canceled.
And sort of in the heyday of FX and these other networks having these really fun shows that no one's watching um and uh so i love as soon as he showed up i was like oh my god it's the guy from imposters i got really excited and i just think i think he's doing such a good chad like the chattiest chad oh extremely chad vibes from this guy and it sounds like you're endorsing all of that character's decisions and just general demeanor as well dad love love uh love his his girlfriend uh she seems great yeah we do learn that apparently the reason dr bangs has the the ankle monitor on is because of it seems a restraining order from the girlfriend yeah right what prompted that in the first place we don't know but i'm gonna guess smashed windshields that's what it sounds like to me i'm on dr bangs's sign honestly we're full dr bangs around here what is it like a bonus mom t-shirt mom it does not go well he did it he did it so yeah uh so yeah rob heaps is as chad is my is guy. How about you? Who's your that guy?

Well, since I am hosting,

I am going to do a classic House of R smuggle.

Oh, hell yeah.

Okay.

And I'm going to do Marguerite Moreau,

who plays the mother of the girl who's seeking an abortion,

or I guess the aunt,

the actual aunt of the girl seeking an abortion,

who I know from Wet Hot American Summer,

one of the greatest comedies ever made.

You may know from The Mighty Ducks

or various other properties if you prefer. Yeah.
But she's bringing in her daughter, sorry, her niece, who's played by Abby Ryder Fortson, who I thought was just amazing in Are You There, God, It's Me, Margaret. And I had totally forgotten until it clicked for me about halfway through her appearance in the show that, oh my God, this is the titular Margaret.
Here she is again crushing it. I was delighted to see them so much it's so like these kids i know so quickly from puberty to seeking an abortion just like that it'll blink of an eye yeah yeah uh that's a great that's a great smuggle great one there's so many great ones though uh and it's really one of the delights of this kind of show that you can have a cast as big as this that you can have as big of a medical cast as this and everyone can sort of have their moments.
And yet, I don't think there's any doubt that this is Noah Wiley's show. It's never really in danger of being swept out from under him.
And I think his feel for how to navigate these spaces as an actor, much less that character's feel as a doctor, is a huge part of the reason it works. I'm trying to think who he's going to be up against at the Emmys.
And it's going to be, I mean, like Jason Isaacs and Adam Scott are going to be in the mix with him. For sure.
Yeah. Interesting.
We got a long year of TV ahead. We also had a very important public service announcement from Dr.
Robbie in this episode about, you know, the podcasts that are, that are radicalizing the young men of this country, the youth of this country, Joe. And I am just here to say that we here at the Prestige TV podcast, we are here to teach your children.
We are here to raise them, to give them the values that you want them to have. So long as those values, I would say, are Walton Goggins propaganda and severance theories.
If those are important to you, then we are here for you at the end of the day. You know, Rob, it's so nice to meet a like-minded individuals here to promote certain agendas for the youth.
Follow-up question for you on that front. Yes.
Do you think the shooter at Pit Fest is our teen with a list? Or is that too tidy? It feels like a big old red herring to me. Yeah, I agree.
I think if that happened Dr. Robbie would

be in such a bad spot as the person who basically delayed the process of calling the police delayed, delayed, delayed for the sake of what is admittedly an incredibly thorny situation to navigate. Right.
But the fact that they made him say the line about like he's a young man with a future in front of him. And it to be dr bangs being like it's not good dr bangs being like what about the girls on the list though i mean at least this is what got us on dr bangs's side at the end of the day like somebody needed to call the cops on incel kid her words not mine page dr bangs with all of your concerns about the language correct uh i think the police probably needed to be called.
And in this case, it may have been called too late whether he's the shooter or not. It's true.
But that is it for us this week, Joe. We will be back for the finale.
Thank you to Donnie Beecham. Thank you to you, Joe.
Thank you to John Richter and CT and Justin Sales. Thank you to you for all of your emails about the pit to prestige tv at spotify.com keep them coming um

what you think about dr bangs what you think about uh the rat problem in the hospital what

do you think about the you know the kraken getting his moment of dignity you know really

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