‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 4: Final Destination Sh*t

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That's where we've been breaking down

Speaker 2 Lotus. This is the closest I've ever come to having an HR violation with Mal.

Speaker 2 We have a penis scene.

Speaker 1 I can't believe this is the

Speaker 1 closest it's gotten.

Speaker 2 I almost sent a picture of it to Mal being like, what? That doesn't look real to me. And then I was like, oh, I guess I can't

Speaker 2 do HR rules. I can't.
Guys, can we get that up on the monitor? Yeah,

Speaker 1 can you put this on? We'd like to go frame by frame.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I mean, any episode with a penis or stump penis conversation.

Speaker 1 I'm prepared. I feel like it's always solicited from

Speaker 2 solicited. I'm prepared.

Speaker 1 I welcome the discussion today in this bargain studio for retirees.

Speaker 2 Well, how sad is it when I see a scene like that and I immediately,

Speaker 2 and both of us texted Mal and we're like, oh boy. It's not sad.

Speaker 1 It's just, it means that we know her on a truly spiritual level.

Speaker 2 Let's go a little deeper. It's pure affectionate.
You said

Speaker 1 there's something for Mal in the first 10 minutes of the episode. And I replied,

Speaker 1 is it a cat or a penis?

Speaker 2 And I said, said,

Speaker 2 is it a cat or a penis?

Speaker 1 And I was right. It was a penis.

Speaker 2 Sadly, no cats. So it's only two choices.
Well, this was the full moon episode. We're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 Yes, next.

Speaker 2 No, but we end the episode driving to a full moon. Incredible.
And we broke the timeline. This is a, this is all.
Slit. Yeah.
So this is it, right?

Speaker 1 This is where we get our eighth episode of the season is this day. Is the all-nighter.
It ends early. And next episode, episode five, is just going to be that one night.
Is that what we think?

Speaker 1 That's where we get the extra episode. Cinematography heading toward that moon, but just in general, the yacht traveling around the islands.

Speaker 1 This was, I mean, White Lotus is always beautiful, but this was a gorgeous episode.

Speaker 1 Did it make you want to go to Thailand? Yeah. It's going to be a good idea.

Speaker 2 This definitely put it a little closer. Yeah.
Put it a little closer.

Speaker 1 Are you prepared to be accosted by small children in the street?

Speaker 2 That's what I learned. Don't go to the streets or water fountains.

Speaker 2 Boy, is that a special day or something? Yeah, it's their New Year's. Yeah.
It's the Thailand. Definitely stay away from there.
My goodness.

Speaker 1 Very funny scene. Grace Zoe.

Speaker 2 So the big things things that happen. Yeah.
I'll just list five, but we'll, we'll dive in the episode. But

Speaker 2 Tim Ratliff now has a gun.

Speaker 1 We have a literal checkoff's gun in this episode.

Speaker 2 Is that what we're calling it?

Speaker 1 Just sorry.

Speaker 1 That was the penis joke for Mallory. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Okay, we have a gun and a gun. Double gun.

Speaker 2 We're on a boat with Chloe, Chelsea,

Speaker 2 and Saxon and Locky. Yeah.
And we're partying. And we've been partying for a while, and we're headed toward a full moon.
So that's there.

Speaker 1 I have no notes.

Speaker 2 Locky notes close up magic i just can't wait gary gregg and belinda are now circling each other

Speaker 2 in leaf frazier style concerned multiple googling sessions trouble the fancy cougars are now partying with three russians one of whom has a snake tattoo that goes all the way down to a very special place neither are robbers right 100 they probably are robbers yeah okay and then gay gay talk guy talk guy talk guys we're going guy talk now yeah uh might be the worst security guard of all time listen he's on a he's on a really strong pace for just, this is not the guy you want guarding your resort.

Speaker 1 If Mook is like, come watch me dance, what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 This is not a dad. What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 I'll just leave that gun right on the table.

Speaker 1 We all got to see Lisa perform at the Oscars. Like, who could turn away from the dance performance now?

Speaker 1 We thought that Guy Talk, pursuing with confidence and certainty a promotion to Bangkok bodyguard after allowing the robbers in and then let's just say it

Speaker 2 allowing them out yeah not sending them off was the low point, but no, he immediately left.

Speaker 1 Checkoff's gone unattended on the top of the desk and then vacated the premises with his would-be girlfriend. Tim has it.
And now it's gone. And Tim has it.

Speaker 1 Great moment when Pam was like, I'd like that back. And he's like, What?

Speaker 2 The phone. Oh, and one more.
Rick's Rick's

Speaker 2 Bay Cook. Yeah.
So we have six storylines we're joking. Your favorite out of the six.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I mean, it's still Lorazapam, Tim.

Speaker 1 Like, I just think that Jason Isaac's

Speaker 1 on Lorazapam is a gift for all of us.

Speaker 2 So, yeah.

Speaker 1 I am trying to remember the last time I had this much fun watching someone on TV.

Speaker 2 Just completely unravel on my lips.

Speaker 1 I'm still like most invested in the Rick Chelsea

Speaker 1 unit. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 when the Ratliffs in general and Tim Ratliff in particular are on the screen, I am wrapped. Asking like the rope is open.
Him sprawling out on the bench on the boat is one thing. But then also,

Speaker 1 let's just talk about Vicki's entire experience on that boat and how upset she was.

Speaker 1 Lorazapam free had to talk to all these people on the boat that she absolutely hated. Great moment when Piper was like, you can't get through one week at a wellness spot.

Speaker 2 And she's like, Lorazzapamamam.

Speaker 1 And then later, she's like, don't judge me. I'm on a boat with people I don't want to talk to.
Convention for conmen and cheats.

Speaker 1 Tax cheats. Like her husband.
What about you? What's your favorite? Currently?

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 I liked being on the boat. Yeah, that was just great.
I just like the whole vibe and seeing Locky a little bit unleashed finally.

Speaker 1 Locky's having fun.

Speaker 2 Wondering where that's going to go.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if it's going to go anywhere great or maybe it'll go incredible. Guess what?

Speaker 1 It's not going to go great. Piper lost him.
Lost him in the tug of war, the family sibling tug of war by saying, I'm leaving. I'm coming to live here for a year.
Can you stand up for me?

Speaker 1 He was fully in the Saxon hive after that conversation with Piper. I don't think that's what did it, though, because he's abandoned her like kind of multiple times.

Speaker 2 But he's been pulled back and forth.

Speaker 1 It was trending that way, but this like sealed it, right?

Speaker 2 She's not getting him back i don't know we'll see lucky oh joanna jumped ahead that's a joanna jumped ahead clue she's like i don't know we'll see no i couldn't resist seeing episode five no i just

Speaker 1 watching ahead no one's watching ahead i just don't know that like i don't know that that was like what lured him i don't think it was like i can't be there for my sister i think it was i want to be on a boat with babes ditto

Speaker 2 so Do we think Thailand, this really is Thailand with all the guys there or just these people who either running away from something or they're con men or I think it's a slice of Thailand.

Speaker 1 It's that it's all the Russian expats. There's like a bunch of other things going on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is leaving me more fascinated with Thailand than I ever expected to be. Yeah.
And yeah, it's a TV show and it's just a small slice, but

Speaker 2 he Mike White clearly seems intrigued by something about why somebody goes there, why they want to stay. Are you hiding her? Are you seeking her? Yeah, yeah.
You're hiding her seekings. Like,

Speaker 1 are you wanting to party with the Russians or hang out on the boat with the conmen and the tax cheats? Or what are you most wanting to do with your time here?

Speaker 2 Well, what I wouldn't want to do is go down to downtown for New Year's.

Speaker 2 That sounds, that looked terrible.

Speaker 1 No, I just, I'm going to throw this out there. I thought the geriatric pool that Jacqueline was so intent on.

Speaker 2 That was

Speaker 2 crazy. That was so pretty nice.

Speaker 1 We have found my happy place. Drinks, old people talking about their dead husbands and reading books.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Beautiful beautiful view. I'm in.
I thought that was great.

Speaker 2 So you're filing that away for when Adam passes. If he passes before you,

Speaker 1 he's going to die before Adam, I think. But hopefully he'll make his way to that pool and enjoy a nice time without me and think about how much I am.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's for Adam.

Speaker 1 That would be great. I definitely am not going to a club with the Magnar of Then from Game of Thrones.
Vlad is the Magnar of Then from Game of Thrones. And I am not going to

Speaker 1 him. He is definitely the robber.

Speaker 2 Everything is on the menu. That was the tall one? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Was he in Game of Thrones? Yeah, he's the Magnar fan.

Speaker 2 All right, can you remind me? Because as you know, I haven't seen the show since it ended.

Speaker 1 Which one was it? They're one of the wildling clans. And spoilers for Game of Thrones, there's a very satisfying moment where John kills him, but they are accountable.

Speaker 2 They eat people.

Speaker 1 They eat people. They've got the wild in the show, like...

Speaker 2 scar tattoos on their faces kind of like swaying after the turn of the century in the 1300s or no it's all set exactly in the period of time where you think it's set yeah all right so that guy that's where they got that guy because that guy was was a bad

Speaker 2 you could just tell yeah so do you think they telegraphed that those are the robbers to the point that maybe they're not the robbers i i went back and rewatched the robbery oh yeah yeah and i was like trying to listen they just physically definitely fit like it's definitely alexi

Speaker 2 one guy driving

Speaker 1 vlad in in the passenger seat yeah and alexi presumably alexi he's so covered in the the hoodie and the mask and glasses like you couldn't there's no peep of a snake yeah you can't see any of the tattoo, but it definitely seems like it's them.

Speaker 1 I mean, Valentina is so clearly holding that gate open. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guy Talk got played.

Speaker 2 Well, the only thing we know for sure is that episode five is off the rails. And I can't fucking wait.

Speaker 2 I have some tidbits from this for much later in the podcast from an experience I had this weekend. But

Speaker 2 a big topic was how has it not come out what happened in episode five yet? Like people being surprised. This is absolutely real.

Speaker 2 Oh, that they were like, how do people who have watched it had not leaked it out?

Speaker 2 Just how, like, people respect the show so much that something in episode five is

Speaker 2 that makes me nervous. Wow, how has this not come out yet? I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 I hope everyone's going to be okay.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 I'm very concerned now.

Speaker 2 Well, but you could feel it, though, with the end of the show going toward a full moon. It's like, all right, shit's going down.
Just like last season.

Speaker 1 Does everybody turn into a werewolf and have an orgy at the club?

Speaker 2 That'd be great.

Speaker 1 So, this is the midway point, episode four to five is the midway of the season.

Speaker 2 Halfway dawn? I know. I did get sad

Speaker 2 when I had the rewatch this morning.

Speaker 1 If the nuts thing happens in episode five, that means we have three episodes of Fallout.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's how nuts it is. Exciting.

Speaker 2 And we have one more actor or actress joining at some point over these next four episodes who we know who it is. Like, we know it's a famous person.
Okay. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 That's the other thing that's happening. Can't wait.
That's all I've been able to gleam. And I don't feel like that.

Speaker 2 I feel like that's spoiler-free content right there. Yeah.
Someone always shows up midway for a while.

Speaker 1 Molly Shannon's coming.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Somebody fun is coming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and things are about to go off

Speaker 2 the rails. Great.
All right. We are going to go backwards.
We'll start at the top.

Speaker 2 A fun morning that starts with Jackie

Speaker 2 trying to find her husband. Harrison.

Speaker 2 I thought he was on the set.

Speaker 1 I didn't think he was on set. I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 Maybe, maybe you're on the set.

Speaker 2 And it's not going well.

Speaker 1 This made me kind of sad.

Speaker 2 It's tough.

Speaker 1 Jacqueline. This made me sad.
It's one thing to not answer the phone call, time difference,

Speaker 1 whatever.

Speaker 1 But both in this scene and then in the subsequent conversation over the meal, it's clear he has not been responding to her text messages. I don't know.
I kind of like this. And that's a struggle.

Speaker 1 I kind of like this for Kate and Lori because earlier at the blow, Jacqueline was like, we're obsessed with each other.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And Lori's like, okay, but you just got married. So you don't really know what's going on.
And Kate and Lori have been married for a long time to their respective divorce.

Speaker 2 We red flagged it, though. Oh, yeah, for sure.
That nobody's gushing about their own relationship.

Speaker 1 This makes me think that Jacqueline is now, and we see obviously a lot of this inside of this episode, in many respects, the lack of communication from Harrison, the just genuine ego blow of Valentine sending them to the old person's pool.

Speaker 1 She is this tightly wound coil right now and she is ready to spring and then spiral. I think anticipating that she has been betrayed, she will do some betraying, right?

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 1 I will fuck someone else before you can

Speaker 1 call this from the start.

Speaker 2 Whatever happens in Thailand stays in in Thailand. She says that in this episode.

Speaker 1 I feel like Bill said that she was going to push Valentin on Laurie and then take Valentin for herself. I feel like that wasn't really.

Speaker 2 Do like a little

Speaker 2 power struggle.

Speaker 2 How much of a Mike White file are you?

Speaker 1 Fairly.

Speaker 2 Is there, I'm wondering like with this character and the younger husband on set,

Speaker 2 if that's a real, like, could that be the Lord? Did Laura Dern date anybody who was younger than her? I wonder like if there's something going on there.

Speaker 1 He's calling out someone.

Speaker 2 Didn't she date Ben Harper at that point? One point? How much younger was Ben Harper, though? Not that much younger than that. Wasn't she younger?

Speaker 2 In fact, but it feels like this is a real life thing, the actress dating somebody who's younger and they're obsessed with each other, but not real.

Speaker 1 To nail it down to one person, this is Taylor's oldest time, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 It just struck me because I do think he puts real life stuff and

Speaker 2 things.

Speaker 2 Or maybe he heard the story of this, but it seems like something. Then I was trying to think who, what type of actor is the guy?

Speaker 2 Oh, like, like, who's our parallel to this now? What?

Speaker 1 Who is Harrison?

Speaker 2 This is like Gwyneth Pouchera dating blank.

Speaker 1 Well, someone emailed us asking us if, um, because Megan Faye and Leo Woodall, who were on season two, yeah, are dating.

Speaker 1 And there's like a six-year age gap between them, which is not, I don't think, tremendous or something like that.

Speaker 2 This is 10, right? This is 10. Yeah.
And we think she's like 48, 49. Do we think late later?

Speaker 1 She's around Michelle Monan's age, yeah.

Speaker 2 Mid-late 40s. So So this guy is like 35.

Speaker 1 A famous actor in his 30s. But again, maybe

Speaker 2 more Ashton Kutcher, maybe? Sure. Maybe.
Yeah. Oh, sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. I just feel like he's dipping into some stuff.
I don't know what the answer is to it.

Speaker 2 But anyway, she can't find him and it's not good.

Speaker 1 I have a hard time being sympathetic to Jacqueline. I'm sorry, when she is like so repulsed by this like extremely ordinary pool that she's been sent to.

Speaker 2 It's so funny. Well, but I mean, oh my God.

Speaker 2 I mean, not to skip ahead, but I mean, isn't part of that like that's her audience for whatever show she's on? I mean, it's not her audience. Like, she's probably on like a CBS 10 o'clock show.

Speaker 2 She's probably on like a Blue Bloods type of show.

Speaker 1 Well, we heard her say earlier in the season, right, that like, you know, she can never turn it off. She always has to be her best self.
So that's, that's in the mix here.

Speaker 1 Like, she sits down, she's finally ready to just have fun, relax, and immediately it's like, are you on TV? She can never turn off that shine on that pod.

Speaker 2 She did the same thing when she sat down at the White Lotus Pool.

Speaker 1 And she was quite rude to him, too. Less rude than she was to this guy.

Speaker 2 Maybe.

Speaker 1 And the fact that, like, Valentine thinks that this is their brand, right? She's like, we wanted it. We want the energy.

Speaker 2 Ego blow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's an ego blow. But like, there's the, there, there are a couple of things to consider here.
One, that he actually thinks that, like, they would like this.

Speaker 1 But I think what felt clearer across the episode, he sends them there. Then he abandons them in the street around the children.
He's like, Don't worry, it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 I'll meet you in an hour, go shopping, without question knowing that they are going to

Speaker 1 have no idea how to navigate that circumstance. And then he brings his two friends to the club.

Speaker 1 And I was really struck by the just specific, maybe it's just, you know, a language barrier thing, but we know how to make fun, not have fun.

Speaker 1 Like, he's, if we think they're the robbers, then we have to ask if he's actually

Speaker 1 setting them up for some sort of crime here.

Speaker 1 But also, just that he is

Speaker 1 indulging in mocking them.

Speaker 2 We'll see multiple times. That's a three-season theme, though, is the staff having real contempt for the people who stay at the hotel.
I mean,

Speaker 1 she called him

Speaker 2 Valentin for some reason. Yeah, you're a butler.
You're leaving.

Speaker 1 She called him Valentin, which is not as bad as Saxon saying swastika. That was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Instead of the tired greeting.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wild stuff from Saxon.

Speaker 2 So that was how our morning started, along with Belinda talking to her son. She's still hearing noises.
I don't know what's going on there. What is happening in the villa? Well, I just

Speaker 2 is it haunted? I feel like it's an animal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we're just like these unsettled Westerners who have come on this either exchange program or vacation who are freaked out and in an unfamiliar circumstance and poised to respond in a reckless,

Speaker 1 outsized fashion to something that destabilizes them. The toilet snake, Mallory.
I mean, we know for a fact from the snake show that a lot of those cobras come from the toilet.

Speaker 1 It could definitely be a toilet snake.

Speaker 2 How much would that be in your head every time you went to the bathroom in Thailand?

Speaker 1 I would look down before sitting. I would look repeatedly while sitting.
You would not sit. You would hover only.

Speaker 2 But it's a flush first before you do anything, I think.

Speaker 1 Ask me. But can a flush keep a cobra at bay?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Is this why Tim Rattless keeps showering outside?

Speaker 2 Oh, man. That looks great.

Speaker 1 I know he's really going through it, but that looks great. That shower side.

Speaker 1 My God.

Speaker 2 Snakes in the toilet. You had another reason I'm probably not going to Thailand.
um oh just when we just

Speaker 2 i'm out again you're out again then we have rat lip stealing pills from his wife officially okay this is like a 902 and oh uh plot thing where somebody tries cocaine and then the next episode they're like where do i get a bump i'm done at two in the morning he took another one on the bottom he's now a drug addict the razzapam is highly addictive first of all it's addictive in one day and secondly you shouldn't be mixing it with this much booze should you i think when you're going through it you don't want to feel a single thing perhaps it is secondly Rob and I were talking about this.

Speaker 1 How much does it creep you out that he takes those pills dry? It creeps. Yeah, so much.
This is the thing that people do on TV all the time.

Speaker 2 I never understand it. It's like, I can't spare the truth.
You're a dry pill taker? What? You don't have to.

Speaker 2 My wife

Speaker 2 thinks it's awful.

Speaker 1 First of all, it doesn't hurt, but more importantly, it leaves a taste in your mouth.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 2 Some people are tougher than others. Wow.

Speaker 1 Do we need to be tough about taking our medication?

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm happy to just swallow a pill and I'm fine.

Speaker 1 Do you do this with every pill or only gel caps?

Speaker 2 No, I'll just whip them down. I can't.

Speaker 1 I can't do it. I respect it.

Speaker 2 I know a lot of people can't.

Speaker 2 It's a special club to tell you.

Speaker 2 So at the beginning, we also have Guy Talk wants to have a date with Mook and finds out he needs to go to the gun range and learn how to shoot a gun because we're going to keep a gun on the premises now.

Speaker 2 Yes. For Guy Talk.
Well,

Speaker 1 when we get to the shootout at the end that we've already heard, there's no way that's just gun range noise, is it?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Because people are like screaming and and running so yeah there's too people are too scared i'm excited to talk about what might happen now that tim has the gun lots of different i mean not excited filled with dread and trepidation but a lot of different theories i in this opening guy talk scene though quickly like we didn't just get check off's gun we got check off's security camera we linger on the security camera we linger on the monitor we see now we know we see it after right after tim takes the larat with him yes exactly so we know they rat they're gonna know rat left took the gun well i think guy talk is gonna immediately look and then in the next episode and say who did this And then go.

Speaker 1 I don't think he even asked. I mean, maybe he looks.
I don't even have to do this, but he passes him on the path.

Speaker 2 And has heard this guy saying, why are we short on the phone calls? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But can we just talk about Mook inviting him to watch her dance and stuff like that? Like, she's definitely interested, right?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This is not like a creepy guy stalking a lady that he works with. No.

Speaker 2 She's interested. Not at all.
I feel like she's even more of the pursuer a little bit. It's probably like 55, 45 mook.

Speaker 1 She's into the date the next night. She asks him to come watch her dance.
She shows later to make sure he sees her in her outfit.

Speaker 2 I still ship it, even though

Speaker 2 he's terrified. I fully support it.
I'm for it. I'm for it.
She said he's going to be shot to death.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I hope he enjoys his next three days of life. I'm going to ship her with his corpse.

Speaker 2 We also get in the morning Saxon's loud blender. Drink it, Locky.

Speaker 1 This was just an unbelievable piece of television.

Speaker 1 We don't do it for the taste, we do it for the high tea and the BDE.

Speaker 2 Girls aren't into Super Jack guys, Sax, Piper says. Oh, my God.
What are they into? Gender goblins who tuck their dicks between their legs, and then he imitates it. Yeah, you're going to get up and

Speaker 2 do the gender goblin? They do figure out two times an episode just to make him

Speaker 2 be the worst, but I still enjoy the hell out of it.

Speaker 1 Grabbing the book, Joe and Rob talked on

Speaker 1 their deep dive in theory breakdown about the fact that that book that Piper's has been listening to and reading

Speaker 1 about identity and that line about identity is a prison

Speaker 1 the symbolism of Saxon taking this book about identity and identity being a prison and booping her on the head as he dances around like a bigoted dipshit. Very rich text.

Speaker 2 Well, he also says, what are you doing? Reading? Oh, no, she says, what are you doing? She says, reading and he goes,

Speaker 1 yeah, what are you doing? Reading, why?

Speaker 2 He's tremendous.

Speaker 2 Mom's pills are missing. And then, and we have the dad just sitting there at the bathrobe.
And we're like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 So did you know immediately?

Speaker 2 It felt, yeah, no. Oh, yeah.
It was on my radar.

Speaker 1 You were seeing so much inner thigh.

Speaker 2 No, it was on my radar because it reminded me of the DeCubney Larry Sanders. Oh, did you?

Speaker 2 Same kind of like posture. I was like, oh, man.

Speaker 1 It's not a lot of inner thigh, but like you were primed for this because Bill texted you to be like, there's something for you. True.
True.

Speaker 2 I shouldn't have texted you. True.

Speaker 1 But I think I would have been excited to see what happened with the robe no matter what, just because if you're wearing a bathrobe and it's loosely fastened and you sit at an elevated position on a bar stool and then you do this and this, only one thing is going to happen and it's going to be that your dick is hanging out with the tip, gently rubbing against the fabric of the bar stool.

Speaker 2 So I have some thoughts. Let's hear them.

Speaker 2 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 The floor is yours.

Speaker 2 The bathrobe with no underwear is aggressive with the family.

Speaker 1 Just gotten out of the shower.

Speaker 2 It's aggressive. Drying off.

Speaker 1 But you have your family.

Speaker 2 It's aggressive. Those bathrooms, hotel bathrooms.

Speaker 1 It was like a shorty robe.

Speaker 2 Those are like not fire retardant suits.

Speaker 2 A lot of things can go wrong. The robe can, like, just, I'm having underwear on if my kids are there.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And then the way he sits, I think what they're trying to say is his mind is racing with so many different things.

Speaker 2 He has no idea. Like, he's about to.
He's got to do drugs. But the reactions of the kids, I thought, was one of the funny.

Speaker 2 The daughter was just slumped on the couch.

Speaker 2 It's never going to be the same.

Speaker 1 No one wants to see their dads dance.

Speaker 2 Nobody. That would exactly be what happened with my kids.
They would just make their sons.

Speaker 1 I also felt like the reactions could have been bigger. I feel like we could all stand to be a little bit more concerned about Tim than we are as a family.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, this is one of the flaws of the episode.
As drugged out as Parker Posey is,

Speaker 2 at some point you have to be like, man, this guy's like when he starts

Speaker 1 feeling Piper's face on the bones heartbreaking. But yeah, you find this last episode that the family wasn't pushing enough and like, what is going on with you?

Speaker 2 This episode's even more.

Speaker 1 This episode was more glaring, I think, because he is, you know, he's Mr. I don't do drugs, I don't take drugs.
So he's walking around clearly in like a drug haze the entire episode.

Speaker 1 And even if they didn't clock the drug thing and Vicky's like, wait, who took my Lorazepam? Could it possibly be Tim who is obviously on drugs at this very moment?

Speaker 1 He is slamming whiskeys on that boat. Slamming them.

Speaker 2 And someone should be a little bit more concerned than they are.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Piper and Locky are horrified to see their dad's dangling dick.

Speaker 2 Saxon, he wasn't dangling. It was more like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it seemed more like really at rest.

Speaker 1 This is a video podcast, so if you are only listening, you can watch Mallory do dick charades.

Speaker 1 What do you think? Prosthetic in the proud tradition of White Lotus? Theo James, who had previously shown his dick on other properties, used prosthetic in season two. Mallory have been dickologist.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 I think this is... What do you think? The real Isaacs.

Speaker 2 I think so, too. Yeah.
What do you think? I'm going to be my answer right after this.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's how you keep them getting back.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

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Speaker 2 All right, we're going to play Real Dick or Stunt Dick presented by Uber Eats.

Speaker 2 I'm going fake.

Speaker 1 Okay, tell us why.

Speaker 1 Do you need like a laser pointer for the monitor?

Speaker 2 As you know, I was hard in the camp of that

Speaker 2 Theo James stunt dick last episode. Yeah, yeah, last episode.
I think in general they go stunt dick every time because the guy has to, you do, you're on the set for hours.

Speaker 2 I just think they put, like they do, what they did in Boogie Nights. They just put the sleeve, the fake dick sleeve over the dick.
And then they don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 2 The actor's not thinking about, oh my God, I got to make sure I got enough blood down there. And I just feel like.

Speaker 1 But he's not. He's like, it's flaccid.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Still

Speaker 1 impressive, but flaccid.

Speaker 2 There were no balls to be, be, if you really want to go. My wife and I

Speaker 2 when we paused it. Yeah, I mean, no balls whatsoever.
He's an older guy. I'm going to say balls are going to be around.

Speaker 1 Lots of pubic hair.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, you think he should have had a saggier ball?

Speaker 2 I just think, I think whatever prosthetic thing they used kind of overpowered the rest of the area. And it just

Speaker 2 didn't sit right with me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say prosthetic.

Speaker 1 I said zoom natural. Yeah.
I, you know.

Speaker 2 I can try to find out for next episode if you guys, if we really are. Maybe.
Confident there will be interviews.

Speaker 1 No question. I am confident that people will have asked Jason Isaacs.

Speaker 1 This will come up, yeah, for sure. The thing is, once you've committed to that accent, what country is he from? Why not show your dick? England.
England.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, as you know, I thought, what was that movie with the crazy guy in the English castle? Saltburn.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I thought there was about this a lot.

Speaker 2 I thought there was some fluffing for that. I thought there was.

Speaker 1 That's definitely his penis.

Speaker 2 Well, it definitely is, but I think it's just.

Speaker 1 And he fucked the grave with it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you going to be there for Saltburn Rewatchables? The last episode. Do you want to ask me again

Speaker 2 if I'm enjoying my time in LA? How could you not be?

Speaker 1 My God.

Speaker 2 Jason Isaacs. We'll fetch out the answer at some point.
Yeah. Anyway,

Speaker 1 it's like from the basilisk in the chamber of secrets to this basilisk.

Speaker 2 Don't do it.

Speaker 1 Don't do it. A true patriot, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 Did you see the interview that Scott Galloway, who was who was the voice of the lawyer in in episode three

Speaker 2 is that true yeah that he um

Speaker 1 that jason ises came to his house to give him acting lessons and i feel like if you're if you're that committed you're just putting your dick your actual dick on screen english i'm trying to think of different countries if that you can profile people that way but i would say the english probably

Speaker 1 james is British and he chickened out. So who's to say? Just kidding.
If you don't want to show your dick on television, that's not chickening out. You're allowed to do this.

Speaker 2 Wasn't the point they needed to make it like a monster one to get Aubrey Plaza intrigued?

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 They didn't need to use a prosthetic for that, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, mouse seeds of his previous work on Mr. Skin.

Speaker 2 I think that was more about the specific angle for that scene.

Speaker 2 You know, that is true. All right.
Remember,

Speaker 1 hide or seek.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 We're moving to Chelsea. Okay.
Who starts breakfast by saying how things happen in three, and she's in final destination.

Speaker 1 Death is coming for me.

Speaker 2 Really, really, really playing up the death theme with them and then guilts Rick to go on the boat.

Speaker 1 Cute, adorable pout. I also could not say nothing.

Speaker 2 Who could say nothing, Chelsea?

Speaker 2 I wanted to go on the boat.

Speaker 2 Yay!

Speaker 1 Yay! It was very great. We have talked a lot about the entire cast.
We've talked a lot about Jason Isaacs, a lot about Gaggins. This is like a sensational performance.

Speaker 2 Amy Louis? Amy.

Speaker 1 I mean, she is. Amy is killing it.
This is just unbelievable. What did everyone everyone call her in the taxi set? Hot Tooth Lady?

Speaker 2 Hot Tooth Lady.

Speaker 2 Fan new White Lotus fan band Latham. Hot Tooth Lady.
Hot Tooth Lady. Amy losed.

Speaker 1 Two seasons in two days. Unbelievable.
Crushing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. This was really good.
They decided to go on the boat, but then Rick runs into his therapist who has like kind of a nice moment with Rick. I thought this was beautiful.
You've touched my heart.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Let go of your story. I have high hopes for you.

Speaker 2 If somebody came to you and said, you have touched my heart, would you just immediately start crying, Mo?

Speaker 2 Probably. Yeah.
You've seen her do it.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 2 Find peace in life.

Speaker 1 I would love to find peace in life. I mean, we heard him say in episode three, like, I can't get my life back.
And we talked about exactly this. Like, how much of that is real?

Speaker 1 How much of that is this, this prison that he feels he's in.

Speaker 1 And this was just like the look on his face, the way that he has actually opened up in those sessions with Amrita so far, and this resistance he has to like allowing himself to be free, while obviously also carrying a genuine and intense amount of emotional turmoil is very compelling to watch.

Speaker 1 And he's been sensational. I hope that these words from her are in his ears and in his mind and in his heart when he stares down Jim Hollinger.

Speaker 2 That is what I hope. No, or also,

Speaker 1 anything that Chelsea said, because we get, well, I have some thoughts and theories about what he says to Chelsea inside of this episode.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, we're getting to that. Yeah.
Well, one other thing on this.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 the therapist says, I have, I have hopes for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you feel like that was genuine? Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 so she's in on rick

Speaker 2 but rick can't be rick's basically affleck in manchester by the sea like he's just he can't beat it

Speaker 2 the scene on the hill

Speaker 2 yeah the scene on the hill where he's like i i i just can't i can't or when he's not to the on the hill it's to the uh to the kid yeah when he's explaining why they have to break up I just can't beat it.

Speaker 2 That's kind of Rick's M.O. in this episode.
It's like, I just, something has been interesting. This guy ruined my life.
I got to get, I got to do it.

Speaker 1 Something that's been interesting about the interviews that Walton Goggins and Amy Lewood have been giving about Rick and Chelsea is: they've said, like, basically, they've been together for several years, like three years, that he's not been like this, that this is like a new midlife crisis moment for him.

Speaker 1 Right, because she keeps referencing, like, why don't we have fun anytime? More, right? So, it's not that, like, Chelsea's been trying to like draw this out of him the whole time.

Speaker 1 It's like he's been a better version of himself, and right now he's just stuck in this one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I thought it was sad when she

Speaker 1 invoked this idea of like the cloud. And the things that she's saying on some level like are fair and make sense.

Speaker 1 If you're in a relationship with somebody, especially for that long and they won't tell you what's going on in their life, of course it would make you feel like distant from them.

Speaker 1 But also he is so clearly going through something genuine and painful that it like has to feel pretty bad to hear that.

Speaker 1 I think their dynamic feels like very, even though it is completely like heightened and bizarre, in that respect, very true, like what people are willing willing to share and when and what they withhold and when.

Speaker 1 I think like you were, you were, you know, mentioning last

Speaker 1 week, tracking from prior seasons, because they're different characters broadly.

Speaker 1 So what can we bring season to season and this question of like who is actually on an arc of some sort of level of emotional enlightenment?

Speaker 1 It feels like halfway, Rick is less, I think, on the Quinn season one.

Speaker 1 I am. actually experiencing a revelation and I want to live my life a different way and a little bit more in the like

Speaker 1 Valentina or even Harper Ethan season two spot of just like

Speaker 1 some level of self-acceptance and self-awareness gained over the course of the season. That feels like a little bit more of the comp for him based on what we've seen so far.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it feels like he has a choice to make.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's already made the choice to go to Bangkok, which I think is the wrong choice. Stay on the boat with Chelsea.
Quite rude to that guy who hit him in the head with a backpack.

Speaker 2 Stay in the boat. Stay in the boat with all those fun people, all those fun males you can talk to.

Speaker 2 Got some great ways to do that.

Speaker 1 Stay at the villa with Chelsea. Chelsea would have gotten off the boat if Rick said, I'll stay with you if you get off the boat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's go back to the hotel pool.

Speaker 2 We get the fancies at breakfast.

Speaker 2 And Jackie's now spinning out. And I'm just throwing this at her as a theory.
Okay. Still has a chance to be the worst character of this season.
Not worst character. Like most morally deplorable.

Speaker 2 She might, it's in place. She might be the worst person on the show.
On

Speaker 1 what, by what metric? Caring the least about the emotional damage she does to the people she is in theory close to.

Speaker 2 She's like, my feelings are hurt because my 10 years younger husband hasn't called me back yet. And now I'm just going to, let's get fun.
I'm ready to fuck up some lives.

Speaker 2 I'm going to order my butler around.

Speaker 1 I'm not voting for Jacqueline by any stretch of the imagination. I just think that Tim has the possibility to cause it to destroy many lives.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, I think it's already happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Destroying many lives. Yeah.

Speaker 2 On what level? His assets and his prosthetic penis are frozen. My God.
Everyone at the club is going to know. Yeah.
Everyone.

Speaker 2 He's like, thank God my parents are dead.

Speaker 1 That was tough. very sad.

Speaker 2 All right, so we go on the boat. Okay, Greg Gary, we find out he's retired.

Speaker 2 A little government work, a little investing. Yeah, a little investing.
Yeah, that's totally how you get 150-foot

Speaker 1 investing in a woman who I got killed.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Parker Posey holding an umbrella, which I appreciated.

Speaker 2 Wonderful.

Speaker 1 Did you like their sort of reservoir dog slow-mo walk?

Speaker 2 I really did. I did.

Speaker 2 Ratliff's a zombie. Yeah.
Kind of thing to drink.

Speaker 2 Just, he's out of it. He's bummed out that Rick's there.
He's just having the worst time. I wanted more from that.

Speaker 1 I know. It was very brief.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I wanted them to pull up each other. It makes me think they are going to have a big secret.

Speaker 1 I think so, too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They're kind of circling each other a little bit.
I think so, too. He raids the pills, becomes a pills addict in 24 hours.
And then

Speaker 2 we find out that Piper tells Locky,

Speaker 2 I'm moving here. Yeah.
Yeah. This is not, I wasn't here to interview a monk.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 She lied to her family.

Speaker 2 It's a family of liars. Brought them across

Speaker 1 the globe under false pretenses.

Speaker 2 Like a 30-hour trip, however long it takes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.
Three layerovers. And apparently those villas are $10,000 a night at that location.
Jesus. And you still have poisoned fruit on your deck?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 There is a report.

Speaker 1 That's a four seasons, right? So there's been a report that they've had people checking in and upgrading to the white lotus villas like in the last couple of weeks, and they're $10,000 a night.

Speaker 1 What did you you guys make, by the way?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't, I don't want to leave Tim on the boat yet, but what did you make of the fact that the old people at the pool said they couldn't get into the white lotus because you can only go if you're a guest?

Speaker 1 But Gary and Chloe are routinely there.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's a total super rich person thing.

Speaker 1 They have just special, yeah.

Speaker 2 I think there's probably like special properties that are attached to the hotel because those things are there like for the group, right? Like a retiree budget group can't get into drinking.

Speaker 2 Because if you're in the hotel, you want people like them to come down, eat dinner, and drink it.

Speaker 1 I heard from someone in hospitality, and they were like, that happens all the time. If you're like super rich and you're nearby, right?

Speaker 2 Your grandfather dinner. Yeah, you can come and have dinner.

Speaker 2 So yeah, Piper's going to live in Thailand. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't love the match of Piper, who's about as fun as a stick, in Thailand.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 I have some concerns initially.

Speaker 1 Well, the question is, you know, spirituality. Is she going to stay? Because

Speaker 2 her, Rob and I were talking about this.

Speaker 1 Her drop-in at the monastery was very superficial.

Speaker 1 Like, I know she's got an appointment for later, but she just kind of looked like, how much does she know about the reality of what it is to live at a monastery in Thailand for a year?

Speaker 1 And it seems very much in keeping with White Lotus that a character like Piper, who feels that she's better than her family, above her family, is going to commit to this sort of thing, is just going to not, is going to relapse into

Speaker 1 like pampered privilege by the end of the season.

Speaker 2 But this is another Mike Waite theme because this was basically season one. And this is Olivia.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Kids who are part of this family that from the outside seems great and they have enough money to do whatever they want, but the kids aren't happy.

Speaker 2 They don't like her face when Locky and Saxon are like, we're going to stay in the boat. And she's just look like, I have to eat dinner with these two fucking lunatics tonight.
Well, she even has to

Speaker 2 ask Lachlan to be there for her. Yeah.
To tell the news.

Speaker 1 I was really struck by when she kind of was priming Locky for, hey, will you be in my survivor alliance? Obviously, on the Mike White passion point.

Speaker 1 She was like, yeah, no, yeah, I went and I looked yesterday and I'm sure. I walked around for 30 seconds and I'm sure.
And

Speaker 1 I think that Piper is way to me, mileage may vary, way more likable than the Sidney Sweeney Olivia character from season one, who I thought was like despicable

Speaker 1 and very unlikable.

Speaker 2 I like Piper.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like Piper way more, but I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 The Sidney Sweeney character was awful.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I think you're right to identify that there's a parallel there that Mike White is interested in interrogating.
And it's active text in this episode.

Speaker 1 Like, Piper is a better person than Saxon, objectively. Piper has like morals and outlooks that are more in line probably with many of the people watching.

Speaker 1 But when her mom says, you're like the most judgmental one here, it's kind of hard to dispute that point. Well, and that puts her more in the Harper camp.

Speaker 1 And would we not say that Harper had sort of like a I'm better than you. Oh, wait, I'm exactly like

Speaker 1 in season two. Yeah.
So I think Piper's I'm better than you is going to bite her in the ass. That's Mike White's.
As you know, I loved Harper and Ethan.

Speaker 2 When you say they're judgment, when that she's judgmental, is it worse than Saxon calling her a Sour Pass or Sour Puss sad shithead?

Speaker 2 It made me laugh. It's not sorry.
It made me laugh. It's not great.
It's not great.

Speaker 2 Right before he wanted to get, go talk to the three girls and said, these girls are looking for some young kum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, they want some young cum.

Speaker 2 And Lucky's like, okay.

Speaker 2 Is that the young cum? Is that the young gun sequel you've been waiting for? Young cum.

Speaker 1 These girls are thirsty for some young fucking cum. That was great.
Locky's reaction to that was price.

Speaker 2 We needed him to get Locky going, and Locky has now been activated.

Speaker 1 We're in store for a major Locky, actually.

Speaker 2 I think he has moved up in the death odds. Oh, man.

Speaker 2 They've telegraphed too much Chelsea Final Destination stuff. I think she dropped on Findle.

Speaker 1 Is it because you hate magicians generally that you're putting Lachlan on the I gotta say I was impressed by that

Speaker 2 magic was great.

Speaker 1 I was impressed too. Chelsea was impressed and I was impressed.
You had mentioned the opening credits with Lachlan last time, which was alarming.

Speaker 1 I can't shake in the opening credits. I think we're all aligned that the Chelsea stuff is so voluminous, it does feel like it's meant to mislead us at this point.

Speaker 1 But the zoom in to the mangled animal corpse over her name on the credits, the camera moves into the death in a way that has me just very on edge still. Very on edge.
I'm worried.

Speaker 2 Can I do a quick tangent here for one of my true passions, which is when shows. When we talk about prosthetic penises? No, no.
We're moving on.

Speaker 2 When shows cross over for no reason with another show, because I was thinking how great it would have been if there was just one scene where Connor Roy was there with his

Speaker 2 wife. And it's like they're there, they're on the boat, and they're

Speaker 1 one of the billions criminals on the internet.

Speaker 2 Just somebody from that universe.

Speaker 2 Just they're on the boat for just a minute, and it's never really acknowledged. And we don't even know if it's the same people.

Speaker 1 It would have been, I think, the move would have been Cousin Greg because he is like firmly etched in our minds with yacht cannon because of the toenail fungus.

Speaker 1 Obviously, this is like one of the most memorable things that's happened in the last decade of television. And it was on my mind here because they all fucking wear shoes on.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, is this not teak? What did succession teach us nothing? And only Saxon, model citizen that he is, had the decency to wear boat shoes. Howls everyone else?

Speaker 2 You don't have the foot fungus, Congo.

Speaker 1 She's appalled that we find Saxon so compelling. It is just that he is entertaining.
He is entertaining. He's deeply entertaining.
Very much so. He's just like one of the worst humans.

Speaker 2 He's bad. He's a bad person.
We're great to be a person. We're acknowledging that.

Speaker 1 Great to watch.

Speaker 2 Listen, there's two kinds of people. One is the type who, if there's an Instagram video of a dog humping somebody's leg, they laugh.
And the other side is they're like, oh, no, that's terrible.

Speaker 2 Mal and I would laugh.

Speaker 1 We know how Saxon would laugh.

Speaker 1 She's just, she's like, how have I chosen to spend this much of my time and career with you?

Speaker 2 She's too stepping.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Can we talk about Tim and Gary?

Speaker 2 I don't want to cut you off,

Speaker 1 but if I ever need help hiding my money from the government, that was great too. Or one of my ex-myers, I'll call you.
Yeah. Swatty Never.

Speaker 1 Rick

Speaker 1 mocking the very thing that Tim needs, which is somebody to help him hide his money from the government. What do you make of this, Bill?

Speaker 2 Well, so we learned my father was a very successful businessman. Oh, man.

Speaker 2 My grandfather was the governor of North Carolina. Governor of North Carolina.

Speaker 1 We are going to officially need North Carolina corner with Tate Fraser before the end of the season.

Speaker 2 I can't believe that.

Speaker 1 The way he said North Carolina really felt like it hit that accent perfectly. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Then he said that the dad, very, very successful businessman. Thank God he's dead.
Very momentum. He just kind of says that under

Speaker 2 his breath because he knows.

Speaker 1 Razapam Tim is so out of control that one of the creeps on the boat is like, I know, meet you at the bar.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Even they can't be around Tim Ratliff in this state. This is very sad to watch.
I am worried about whether he's going to be with us for more than one episode, honestly, at this point.

Speaker 2 What did we do?

Speaker 1 Or is he just going to stay in Thailand and like hide from the

Speaker 2 thing? Oh, he just goes.

Speaker 2 He goes like in hiding.

Speaker 1 He's simply doing an interview with Gary for like a can you help me hide my money campaign. Like he's sniffing.

Speaker 1 The fact that they end up, and obviously this is the conversation later with Vicki and Piper and Tim. Like you have no idea how lucky you are that your dad is a boy scout.

Speaker 1 And Tim is like, oh my God, everybody. The people at the club, the ghosts of my dead parents, my beautiful family, my legacy and identity have been shattered.

Speaker 1 And everyone will know I am a fraud, how deeply painful to have to confront.

Speaker 1 We hear him say on the phone call, which we'll obviously talk about, like, I would rather be fucking dead than go to prison. And then he goes and takes a gun.

Speaker 1 And when Pam asks for his phone, he's like, yeah, I'm not going to need it again.

Speaker 1 Worrying. But in this conversation with Gary, so what about you? Are you hiding or seeking? I'm just on vacation with my family, but you never know.
So which way is this going to go?

Speaker 1 Is Tim going to say, hey, yeah, you know what? Vicki Stride, I was on a yacht full of con men and cheats. Maybe I can get some advice from one of them?

Speaker 1 Or is Greg Gary going to sense how desperate Tim is seeking to evade detection and try to capitalize on that in some way?

Speaker 2 If you kill Belinda, I'll do that. Something crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The thing I love about Greg Gary, it's really sticking. This performance.
It's a good dog name.

Speaker 1 I can't tell what he's thinking at any time. Like when Chloe later asks for the yacht,

Speaker 1 you know, and he's clearly like pissed about it, but like, how pissed is he?

Speaker 2 It's a very good restrained performance that I think it's hard to pull off. Yes.
Yeah, he does a nice job of I never know what he's thinking at all.

Speaker 1 The only time he really like tells on himself is when he's watching Saxon and Chloe. That's kind of it.
Or also the side eye that he gave Belinda when she was walking through the lobby.

Speaker 2 Well, that was just like,

Speaker 1 again, very, very worrying. Very worrying.
His house looked really nice.

Speaker 2 What did you think of the old Hawaiian shirt guy with the Dr. Pepper hair and the young trophy Thai girlfriend wife? Which one?

Speaker 2 And Parker Posey's like, you should put a ring on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love that guy. Those guys exist.
They're usually minority owners of NBA teams. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was like 10 of them on the boat.

Speaker 2 They can't quite get on the trophy celebration, but they're over there with like the badge on. Incredible.
But I really enjoyed that casting. I thought that was good.

Speaker 2 We also had Lockadoo Magic Tricks, which we mentioned. Loved.
We have dad fondling Piper's face and having a nervous breakdown. I promise you, if I did that to Zoe, she would immediately call myself

Speaker 2 something special.

Speaker 2 Be like, dad's having a mental breakdown. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's Larazapam, Tim's lowest moment, and it's not stealing a gun. I think it's gaslighting Vicki when he steals her drugs and he's like, you're always losing things.

Speaker 1 You don't know where anything is. I'm just like, you motherfucker.
And like, the saddest thing about that is she kept offering them.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 He's withholding and lying here for no reason. Like he's worried about this great deception being revealed, but he's compounding it by hiding all of these other things.

Speaker 1 It's just honestly, White Lotus is a very funny, darkly comic show, but this is like deep tragedy. Deep tragedy.

Speaker 1 Here's my question about Vicki. Like, if we're talking about like, yeah, what could push someone over the edge?

Speaker 1 Like, if Vicky finds out the truth about what's happening with Tim, like, what is that going?

Speaker 1 Sober Vicky.

Speaker 1 Sober doesn't have her pills, Vicki.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Right. What is that going to do to her?

Speaker 2 I wrote down in my notes.

Speaker 2 I wrote down in my notes this family's just a whiff incesty.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah. Just a whiff, but talking about the Targaryas for a reason.

Speaker 2 Was really strange.

Speaker 1 That was more platonic sweetness and devastation. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 It lingered too long. It lingered too long.

Speaker 1 It lingered too long. It's still lower in the power ranking after Locky watching his brother walk naked to jerk off in the middle.

Speaker 2 Well, that was weird.

Speaker 2 And also behind Locky looking at his brother's ass at bed the next morning. And also below the

Speaker 2 family is pretty a mess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and below Saxony's

Speaker 1 Vicky's anecdote about Uncle Babe.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 You're right. This family's off.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who is the succession character? The guy who worked in the company, who was, it turned out he was like Uncle Moe. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Uncle Lester.

Speaker 2 Call him Uncle Moe after Blesser. God damn, I missed that show.
What a show. Parker possibly gets mad at Piper.
But then one other big thing happens here. Chelsea confronts Rick.

Speaker 2 They have their moment on the deck. Here's my thoughts and theory.
Really great.

Speaker 2 So good. Joe, you have the floor.

Speaker 1 So he says,

Speaker 1 the dude who murdered his father, Scott Glenn, Jim Hollinger, owns this hotel. He's in Bangkok, so I'm going to Bangkok.
And he says, I never knew my father. I told you that.
He was a do-gooder.

Speaker 1 He came to Thailand to help people. He was trying to help these locals keep a shady American from stealing their land.
I don't really know the details.

Speaker 2 One day he disappeared and they never found him.

Speaker 1 I don't believe any of that is true. I believe that that is what his mother told him on her deathbed.
He thinks it's true.

Speaker 1 But I don't, I think he's going to find out one of two things. Either that just Jim Hollinger is straight up his dad,

Speaker 2 who absconded to Thailand.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 or.

Speaker 1 Jim Hollinger's like, you think your dad was a good dude?

Speaker 1 He absolutely was

Speaker 1 not. And this is what he's built his, Rick has built part of his identity on this, on this, on this fairy tale That his dad is a do-gooder who tried to, I don't know, the plot of Seven Samurai.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Help locals with real estate stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What does that mean? Keep a shady American from stealing their land. Right.

Speaker 2 So he was definitely the shady American. Shady American tried to steal their land.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You and Rob joked about this recently, but like, it actually is setting up to be the Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 The Henneken Vader. I know it was definitely Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 How people pulled it out of him, though.

Speaker 2 Like, she got him to open up.

Speaker 2 Rick's just opening up left and right. My God, is this a bit you killed my father prepared to die? Kind of.
Great stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just great stuff to get the princess out for the first time.

Speaker 2 And then the last big thing on the boat was the, we mentioned it, Greg and

Speaker 2 Greg Gary and Ratliff having a drink. Yeah, worrying.
He got sick of the rat race, apparently. Yeah.
Also, I had my wife murdered and she was found on the water.

Speaker 1 I have a lot of notes still about his. I have gone into hiding strategy, which is terrible.
Why did he tell any of the story about Tanya? Any of with the weird details?

Speaker 2 Why does he buy another white lotus?

Speaker 1 Why is his name basically the same fucking thing?

Speaker 2 It's one of the worst criminals.

Speaker 1 It's a Google search to figure this out. I will say, we did get emails from a bunch of people saying when you're in the witness

Speaker 1 protection program, apparently they advise that you change your name to something that is

Speaker 2 like it feels more natural.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that when you, when you're called that, you respond to it faster.

Speaker 2 You got emails from people that telling us this? How would they know this? Well, how is this like a thing somebody knows?

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Speaker 2 So the fancies

Speaker 2 take us right now somewhere, fun. You're our butler.
You're coming with us. She's just unraveling.
Jacqueline. And we end up at a bar with the two friends, Alexi and Vlad.

Speaker 1 So glad

Speaker 1 that someone's named Alexi.

Speaker 1 Almost every Russian I've ever met has been named Alexander, Alexi, or Sasha, which is all the same name. And so I'm really glad that they got that.

Speaker 2 Like those two, they look like just UFC fighters or bad guys.

Speaker 1 He had mentioned to Guy Talk when inviting him to the fight that one of his friends was a fighter. So that could certainly be one of them.

Speaker 2 But also they are the robbers.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. I forgot that we have

Speaker 2 the fight coming.

Speaker 2 So how many days away is that? I don't know. That was Friday night.

Speaker 1 And so is Piper's conversation.

Speaker 2 There's a lot happening in the future. So that could be second to last episode.
We're going to go to the fights.

Speaker 1 Vlad is definitely, I think, his friend who's in the fight. And also, Guy Talk got a real good look at him.
Yes. When he came out of the fight, we did not see the face, but he did.

Speaker 1 So he's going to be like, that's him, the robber.

Speaker 2 That's the robber.

Speaker 1 Killed before he's able to accidentally fire the gun when the monkey scares him.

Speaker 1 We need Guy Talk.

Speaker 1 Will the snake choker play into any of this? Because Chelsea was looking at the snake choker that we presume, Alexi. Snake tattoo.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Maybe he's like, I need this because it matches my

Speaker 2 snake chok tattoo.

Speaker 1 Did a snake choker to the fight? Okay. Question for you you both about Valentine, Valentine.

Speaker 2 So it's Valentine, not Valentine. Valentine.

Speaker 1 It's Valentine. Valentine, right? So he's like

Speaker 1 yelling at the front desk.

Speaker 1 Did you clock this?

Speaker 2 When they go up to him, they came back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're like, why did you send us things? He's like, you can't really leave.

Speaker 1 But before he talks to them, like,

Speaker 1 the person at the front desk, he seemed to be like yelling at that person.

Speaker 2 He was like, I've never trusted him for a minute one on the show.

Speaker 1 But like, what do you think that was? Was he like, I know for a fact they're not here? Let me in their room. Let me in the villa.
Or part of the inside job of the boutique fallout? Right.

Speaker 1 Was it something about the robbery? That was just very suspicious and weird. I didn't even notice that.

Speaker 1 Like, the way he was behaving, it's, it's, again, kind of like a version of, it does seem like legit, but kind of a version of all the Chelsea death things where it's like you're saying it's, there's so much evidence.

Speaker 1 Is it meant to deceive us? I think he's just at the very least someone who helped pull off a boutique robbery and is about to show some ladies a good time and possibly also rob them.

Speaker 1 I was going to say he wouldn't rob them because that's shitting where he eats, but he already helped rob the boutique where he works.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 most surprising person who actually did the boutique robbery would be Mook.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I don't think Mook's in it.

Speaker 2 Mook is pure. Mook is pure.
That would be the shocker, though, right? This whole time, Mook's been

Speaker 2 double assassinated.

Speaker 1 My dark horse, Pam. What's Pam doing? I'm just kidding.
I don't think she's in on it, but I do want to shout out

Speaker 2 her face.

Speaker 2 He's walking towards her.

Speaker 1 He's walking towards her, and she's like looking up, eager to please. And she's like, oh, no.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 You're popular. Yeah.
Great stuff. So we have Belinda.

Speaker 1 No, no, Pam. We're not doing this.

Speaker 2 Belinda finally goes on the internet. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Pretty sure I would have done this immediately. I don't know why 20 hours had to pass.

Speaker 1 I agree. I think you Google this guy right away.

Speaker 2 You Google Demon. Dying in bed at night, can't be like, hey, you know what I should do? Google Greg Gary.
Yeah. So this was interesting.

Speaker 1 Like, I guess not that you necessarily keep tabs on people who fucked you over and didn't follow through on the business investment that they briefly toyed with, But to my earlier point, that we're not, we don't have a steady roster of who died at a white line.

Speaker 1 Well, but this was major news.

Speaker 2 Like, she was Tanya's name. No, it was like ABC, AB, CNN.
All the articles were national news.

Speaker 1 I was zooming in.

Speaker 2 I think she would remember him pretty immediately. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And she was, again, able to piece it together fairly quickly, but don't know. I don't know.
Like, you guys might have better memory than I do, but if I met Greg,

Speaker 1 I would remember Tanya.

Speaker 2 But I wouldn't necessarily remember. I can't remember people I met yesterday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like a distinctive face. But I guess I think her taking a little while to place him makes sense.
But because she specifically asked, do you know Tanya? I agree with you.

Speaker 1 Then like go Google it immediately.

Speaker 2 That delay felt a little.

Speaker 1 I disagree because I think tracking this character who says like, I know I'm right. Like I think she has to talk herself into that.

Speaker 1 I think she was, we're supposed to think of her as like so defeated by what happened to her in season one of White Lotus. Yeah.
This is like someone who's like coming back into herself.

Speaker 1 So I think particularly like just sort of as someone who's like,

Speaker 1 I don't think she always

Speaker 1 trusts herself anymore about things. And then it just took her a moment, less than a day to do the Google, you know, true.

Speaker 2 Eris drowns in Sicily under mysterious circumstances. Yeah.
Aris husband wanted for questioning. So this is they couldn't fucking find this guy?

Speaker 1 This is interesting. Like not a surprise, but confirmation that he is in fact, he's not just hiding, anticipating that he needs to hide.
He is actively on the run actively on the run

Speaker 2 in a respecting her awesome house next to another white lotus i just googled this extradition thailand what's the answer that's very complicated great

Speaker 2 great hunt 27 years deputy director at blm

Speaker 1 the blm season one plot line was her black lives matter brilliant time on television with with tanya what a what a moment that was so do you think going back to season one

Speaker 2 now granted they wrote that during COVID and he's pumping it out, but do you think in season one, when he meets Tanya, did they ever think that that would evolve into this?

Speaker 2 You think Mike White knew that in season one? I don't think so. I would say no.

Speaker 1 Tanya goes down to the pool to watch Greg swim. And

Speaker 1 a guy, like a young, hot, buff, gorgeous chest here that I remember quite vividly, I have to say, goes and sits next to her and marks her as a rich, lonely old woman who he can take advantage of.

Speaker 1 And it's in the exact moment where she's like entering into this courtship with Greg.

Speaker 1 So I think it was at least like, I did not clock out in real time watching season one, to be clear, but on revisiting it, it's like, oh, I wonder if that was at least something that they were considering.

Speaker 1 Greg is

Speaker 1 being a scammer, yes. But Tanya and Greg being like the through line of three seasons of television.

Speaker 2 I don't think so. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But the idea that someone would look to take advantage of Tanya romantically to get to her money, I think was there.

Speaker 2 Well, we got a stared at in the lobby. That was fun, too.
We also had Gregory. Gary

Speaker 2 gives Chloe the boat for the night.

Speaker 2 Even after watching Saxon getting a little flirty and he's like, you know what? I'm a summer under pool on the boat.

Speaker 1 Imagine having a boat with a pool on it. It seems great.
I simply would never leave. It seems fucking great.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, and then dab off the side, too.

Speaker 2 That looks wonderful.

Speaker 1 So many options. Okay, so he finds Belinda's Instagram

Speaker 1 and is looking at the phone.

Speaker 2 Facebook and Zion.

Speaker 2 That's the very end. Yeah.
A couple other things happen, though.

Speaker 2 Chloe said Rick goes, leaves Chloe behind. Chelsea behind, yeah.
Chelsea.

Speaker 2 And he said, the guy ruined my life from day one. And Chelsea says,

Speaker 2 but makes it seem like he's not going to kill him necessarily. And she goes, come on.
I know you, Rick. This is what you do.
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 This is what you do. Does that mean he's a hitman?

Speaker 1 It could be. That's been like an early popular theory about Rick.

Speaker 1 I think it's more like once you do something you do it all the way yeah yeah you know i see what you mean i just need to look in his face and tell him what he did to me while he's still alive and then she's like i know you're not just gonna yeah yeah plan to talk again very like dear mr sawyer vibes here then we're at dinner with the rat lips classic scorpio honestly this was parker posy's best scene the dinner

Speaker 2 This was a convention for con men and tax cheats.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you cheat on your taxes, mom. Well, not so badly that we have to leave the country.

Speaker 2 It wouldn't be a surprise if a few of them are actual killers.

Speaker 2 We don't know how lucky we are to have a father who's an actual Boy Scout. Tough beat for our guy.
Time for him to go see if he can find us. He's a literal criminal

Speaker 2 who did a literal, large

Speaker 2 investment in fraud deal. Big embezzler.
Yeah. Only means 10 million, guys.
Only 10. What was the point?

Speaker 1 I don't get out of bed for less than 10 million. What is the point?

Speaker 2 And then Tim gets his phone back. He finds out that Kenny Wynn, I think was the guy's name, cooperated the feds.

Speaker 2 Best we can do is cut a deal.

Speaker 2 I can't work in finance if I was an embezzlement and fraud. Yeah.
No kidding.

Speaker 1 You got bigger things to work on.

Speaker 2 I'd be shocked if they haven't frozen your assets already. I don't know if you have a joke, follow-up joke on that.

Speaker 1 Frozen assets?

Speaker 2 Just a few months, dot, dot, dot, in prison? Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 2 I would rather die. You understand me? I would rather die.

Speaker 2 What do you want me to tell my family? We're fucking poor.

Speaker 1 The worst thing that could possibly happen to you.

Speaker 2 And then he sees the gun. Get some better dry heaves.

Speaker 1 He's fucking done. He's dry heavy.

Speaker 2 Dry heaves comes up from the dry heap. He sees the gun.

Speaker 1 This, to me, puts Tim actually down the he's going to die list. Do you know?

Speaker 2 Well, because he has a gun and he's on drugs.

Speaker 1 He's down because he says, I'd rather die. Do you hear me? I'd rather die.
In the same way that like Chelsea being marked for death makes us think that she's less likely to die.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you think it's a throw off the scent?

Speaker 1 I think that he is going to

Speaker 1 try to kill himself.

Speaker 2 But I think he will be

Speaker 2 definitely

Speaker 1 in some way. This is the plan with the gun.
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 2 He's taking the gun.

Speaker 1 Also, I think the question of whether he tries to shoot himself or whether he suffers some sort of medical event. Because like he's not used to taking all of these pills.
He's drinking them.

Speaker 1 Passes out in the pond. Something, yeah.
Like Diane finds his body. Accidentally in a haze, eats the poison fruit.
fruit who knows um

Speaker 2 fruit blender I think

Speaker 1 fruit blender still in play at death people loved that theory

Speaker 1 oh yeah people loved the poison smoothie theory the I think if if he goes because he goes back to the dinner table so then the question is like does he have some time but again he said to Pam she's like I hope you don't need this again he's like I won't like it seems like he's prepared to act

Speaker 1 imminently so is he gonna go back that night if the whole next episode is this night which we think it's gonna be interesting could it be a could it be a Tim Disappears?

Speaker 2 Could be.

Speaker 2 I mean, that would certainly

Speaker 2 be on his mind.

Speaker 1 That's part of why I feel like the

Speaker 1 prospect of Tim trying to harm himself feels like a next episode.

Speaker 2 Maybe he has a gun.

Speaker 1 What if we go into hiding is like episodes six, seven, eight. And there's still time for both of those.
But if Gai Tak is trying to get the gun back, does he make his way into that villa and stop him?

Speaker 1 Or does he make his way into the villa, get caught on camera, and accused of stealing the Laraz Pam? That's why they're in season one.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 1 Kai. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, Guy Talk has the security footage in his back pocket.

Speaker 1 He does.

Speaker 2 So we leave with Guy Talk freaking out, angry Rick in the airport, Rat Lift at dinner, just completely broken.

Speaker 2 You know, Greg Gary looking at Belinda on social, Saxon partying on the boat and screaming, full moon, baby. Great taste for everybody.
And we are headed toward an incredible episode five.

Speaker 2 I can't wait.

Speaker 1 Predictions. Zion.

Speaker 1 Greg Gary seeing Zion.

Speaker 1 So, okay, here's my question for you guys. What feels more likely?

Speaker 1 And does this in any way change for you guys just like now thinking back to the opening of the season, which was, of course, with Zion?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he's very scared in response to the shootout about his battle.

Speaker 1 And at the time,

Speaker 2 that's a good point. So she tells him at some point.

Speaker 1 Or does Greg send people after him? Like, that's what I'm wondering about now. Because

Speaker 1 watching the beginning of the first episode, my response is like, of course, you would be worried about any of your loved ones if, God forbid, you found yourself in a situation like that, but it feels more keen and

Speaker 2 they're in trouble. So, like,

Speaker 1 is Greg Gary going to use Zion and his existence to manipulate Belinda? Like, I know you have a son. If you want him to stay safe, keep your mouth shut.

Speaker 1 Or is he going to try to get to Zion in some way to make Belinda vulnerable through her son and try to control the situation that way.

Speaker 1 The fact that this episode established a timeline, not just for his arrival, but his travel. He's like, I'm at the airport and I'm coming.
I don't know. It just made me wonder.

Speaker 1 Now he's got his tag on Instagram, clicks through, sees him at the airport, sends one of his fellow conmen to go find him. I wouldn't rule it out.
Greg Gary is a criminal.

Speaker 2 Can I throw in a bonus?

Speaker 2 What if the Russians are on his payroll too? They could be. And he did the robbery because he's still trying to make some cash.

Speaker 1 I think he has.

Speaker 2 He's doing very well with that.

Speaker 1 And the yacht. Doing very well.
The other thing is Zion said in that first episode that his mom knows he had been pretty stressed out, just finishing finals and

Speaker 1 some other stuff.

Speaker 1 He has some connection to this, right? Some awareness of what's happening. Very worried about Zion.

Speaker 2 Not great. I'm not attached to him yet because we've only seen him in one scene.

Speaker 1 He's literally not shown up yet.

Speaker 2 How much in danger would Zion have been if the first time we see him, he's doing like one of those groupy therapy things, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, he'd be like, let's hide in the room.

Speaker 1 I think it's less about him being in danger and more whether he becomes embroiled in this plot.

Speaker 1 Like, what feels increasingly likely this season is that a lot of what goes wrong is because people are trying to, like, like the guy talk situation, trying to impress somebody, afraid of losing something, or, you know, Tim, what will my family think of me?

Speaker 1 Zion, potentially, I need to protect my mother. Like,

Speaker 1 everybody's one degree removed from some sort of direct action. And is that perhaps actually more combustible as a circumstance?

Speaker 2 That's kind of interesting. We know something crazy happens in episode five.
We don't know what it is. We all have to make a crazy prediction.
Oh,

Speaker 1 what stories from the weekend do you want to tell us?

Speaker 2 Have you told us all of them? I'll do that after we do the predictions. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's see. So they're going to be on the party yacht.
Sexual misconduct on the party yacht.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 Not like, not like

Speaker 1 assault, but just sort of like some locky and saxon ending up in an orgy together yeah some incest some actual canonical incest yeah that's what it feels like that seems totally right also the other party the other full moon party at the club jacqueline

Speaker 1 stealing lari's man yeah uh

Speaker 2 a lot of sex coming in the next episode i think i think the yacht's fine

Speaker 2 yeah that would be

Speaker 2 for prediction meter no i think the yacht's gonna talk about weird stuff happening on a boat every season i think it's gonna be i think it's gonna be off the you know off the beaten path and it's gonna be crazy and fun but i don't think that's where we're getting the crazy thing okay i think it's the three ladies i think it's something with one of the three it could also be rank and those three russian guys like something up is happening yeah with that yeah my guess

Speaker 2 I don't know. I'm just like judging it from the first four.

Speaker 2 Carrie Kuhn's been quiet.

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 2 I feel like that.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying they're shoving her aside, but it's like they just kind of have her in the bullpen warming up for like a, she's too good of an actress. Like, this isn't a good enough part yet.

Speaker 2 And I've got a lot of people.

Speaker 1 She's got that strikeout pitch. Let's wait.

Speaker 2 You should get a wild out, or also

Speaker 1 we've had people point out to us that like Lori is like a ball-busting lawyer. So like in terms of a fight that might happen in the aftermath, I wouldn't want to fight Lori

Speaker 1 of the three of them. And I say ball busting as a compliment.

Speaker 2 But it could also be an actress thing with Jackie where something, she does something crazy, but then there's pictures or there's a photographer.

Speaker 2 But that's not like crazy, crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, full moon, like, you asked me if I know anything about astrology, and I don't, but full moon mythologically is like everyone,

Speaker 1 lunacy, yes, madness. Everyone, Midsummer Night's Dream, everyone just sort of giving over to their bases impulses.

Speaker 2 So it would be funny if Joe moved to LA and then just really got into astrology. Seems like a good

Speaker 2 template table. Did you joke about that?

Speaker 1 It's all on offer for you here in this great city.

Speaker 2 No, it's all she talks about.

Speaker 2 She just pitched an astrology pod. I think you'd be great.

Speaker 1 I think you'd be great. A daily micropod, play with the format.
So is it an astrology pod for me and a creep detector pod for Ron Mahoney? Is that right? Is that

Speaker 2 a prosthetic venue for me and Mal. Exactly right.
I think everybody has found their calling. That's what I'm here.

Speaker 1 I'm a niche for everyone.

Speaker 1 Will we actually spend time with Rick and Bangkok in the next episode?

Speaker 2 It's a short flight. I think it's a lock flight.

Speaker 1 Seven o'clock short flight. So he hits the ground immediately.
He goes and finds Jim Holland.

Speaker 2 But our day sequence is kind of fucked up now. Well, I guess it's got an extra touch.

Speaker 1 I just don't know what day we start. This is what we talked about before.
We don't know that they checked in on Monday. We don't know.

Speaker 2 The only thing we know is we haven't had the fights yet.

Speaker 2 So I feel like we're on a Wednesday, and this is a two-part Wednesday. And there's

Speaker 2 Thursday, Friday,

Speaker 1 right? Because Guy Talk would, we have the dance that night. That's the other thing.
We're not just at the partiat and the club. We've got the dance back at the White Lotus that he's attending.

Speaker 1 So that's this night. And then he invites Mook on a date the next night.
He's got the fights for the fight the night after. So we're at least two nights.
But

Speaker 1 you don't think the date is the fight?

Speaker 1 I think he's misjudging the situation with Mook if that's their first date. Take Mook to the fights.

Speaker 1 His whole thing is like, I want to be the impressive one, not look at these hot guns colour guys

Speaker 2 flex their muscles in front of you and sweat on. One more possibility, like Locky

Speaker 2 doing the thing where he just, maybe he tries Coke a sex thing, sex thing gone wrong. Yeah.
Sex murder on the yacht. I think that's got to be sexual, sexual

Speaker 2 on the yacht. Yeah.
And then maybe, maybe Tim going to Greg Gary's house.

Speaker 1 Oh, for like disappear me

Speaker 2 sort of thing? Help me out. But I don't know how crazy that is.
Or tries to kill himself.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Does Chekhov's gun come into play next episode? I think so.

Speaker 2 If we're heading towards an episode where people are like, I can't believe it hasn't come out yet, I'm just, honestly, I'll bet that's right.

Speaker 1 But also, should we not maybe like lower expectations so we don't watch it and go like, oh, that wasn't that big of a deal?

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I just, I want us to protect ourselves and our listeners who are like, you promised me the coolest episode of television I'd ever seen.

Speaker 1 Every episode of White Lotus, I think something astonishing happens because I'm like, how could people believe the story?

Speaker 1 And if you build up with lower expectations and then you're just surprised and delighted, that's great.

Speaker 1 And if you go in thinking it's going to be the greatest thing ever and it's i'm expecting a werewolf orgy under the full moon and anything else will be a disappointment okay i support you

Speaker 2 i'll just give you one tidbit from the weekend okay wow just one ran into patrick schwarzenegger

Speaker 2 used to play basketball with me and jacoby at usc you forgot that you played basketball with

Speaker 2 he brought this up to me because i had no idea who he was he was going to usc and he played basketball with us many times apparently many times we talked pickup basketball.

Speaker 2 Was he not very good that you don't have the experience?

Speaker 1 We played with college.

Speaker 2 Did you tell Jacoby that? We used to play like, oh, Jacobi was over the moon.

Speaker 1 Jacobi sent me 900 texts about playing basketball with ER doctors and gave me a whole rundown on what's accurate about the hit and what's not.

Speaker 2 I would guess he was probably pretty good, though, because he was half

Speaker 1 Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 2 Well, half Schwarzenegger, good athlete. Yeah.
But also, I don't know. He seems like he's in good shape.
He's tall. He's very tall.

Speaker 1 What did he think of your game? Did he provide anything?

Speaker 2 I think he was impressed. Uh-huh.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How's your mid-range jumper? What did he say?

Speaker 2 He didn't. We didn't go that deep.
So last week, Dan and Lindelof complimented your baseball skills. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then that one I don't remember.

Speaker 2 The USC had done this. And this week, the Schwarzenegger's like, sounded like you got some favorable scoring.
I got some mate Leslie Bill scoring. Who is tall and beautiful?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, the next time I see the two of you, wow. Wow.
Something major will have happened. Can't wait.
I feel like we're getting sex in in this next episode and probably a death.

Speaker 1 Early death. Sex.
Ahead of the show.

Speaker 2 Sex Death Parlay on Fandu. I'm in.
Plus 200. I bet the Sex Death Parlay.
Maybe not the same character. A little Simmons special here.

Speaker 2 Plus, we get to go to Bangkok, where I've never really been other than a couple of movies. Can't wait.
Bangkok Dangerous. Thrilling it.

Speaker 2 All right. That's it.
We'll see you next time. Oh, and you have the deep dive pod with Mahoney.
Yeah. Coming.
What are you doing? Wednesdays? Yep.

Speaker 1 All right, Wednesdays. You have touched our heart.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 great to see you as always. Thanks to the crew as well.
We'll see you next week.