‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 4: Final Destination Sh*t

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Episode 4 of White Lotus. Mallory Rubin is here joanna robinson is here you can listen and watch them on house of r that's right we've been breaking down lotus um this is the closest i've ever come to having an hr violation with mal during we have a penis scene i can't believe this is the closest it's gotten i almost sent a picture of it to Mel being like what that doesn't look real to me and I was like oh I guess I can't technically HR rules I can't do that guys can we get that up on the monitor can you put this down we'd like to go frame by frame any episode with a penis a stunt penis conversation I feel like it's always solicited from- It's an unsolicited pic for Mal.
I'm prepared. I welcome the discussion today in this bargain studio for retirees.
Well, how sad is it when I see a scene like that and I immediately, and both of us texted Mal and we're like, oh boy. It's not a surprise for Mal.
It's just, it means that we know her on a truly spiritual level. Let's go a little deeper.
It's pure affection. You said there's something for Mal in the first 10 minutes of the episode.

And I replied, is it a cat or a penis?

And I said, is it a cat penis?

And I was right.

It was a penis.

Sadly, no cats.

It was only two choices.

Well, this was the full moon episode.

The full moon episode is next.

No, but we end the episode driving to a full moon.

Incredible.

This is next. Full moon is next week.
We end the episode driving to a full moon. Incredible.
And we broke the timeline. This is a split.
Yeah. So this is it, right? This is where we get our eighth episode of the season is this day.
Is the all-nighter. It ends early.
And next episode, episode five is just going to be that one night. Is that what we think? That's what it seems like to me.
Cinematography heading toward that moon, but just in general,

the yacht traveling around the islands.

I mean, White Lotus is always beautiful,

but this was a gorgeous episode.

Did it make you want to go to Thailand and get on a boat?

Yeah, let's get a check in.

This definitely put it a little closer.

Yeah, put it a little closer.

Are you prepared to be accosted

by small children in the street?

That's what I learned.

Don't go to the street during water fountain

or water fountain day.

Is that a special day or is that every day? Yeah, it's their New Year's. Yeah, definitely stay away from there.
in the street. That's what I learned.
Don't go to the street during water fountain or water gun day. Boy.

Is that a special day

or is that every day?

Yeah, it's their New Year's.

Yeah.

It's the Thai New Year's.

Definitely stay away from there.

My goodness.

Very funny scene.

Great stuff.

So,

the big things that happen,

I'll just list five,

but we'll dive in the episode,

but Tim Ratliff now has a gun.

We have a literal Chekhov's gun

in this episode of television.

Is that what we're calling it?

I'm just sorry. That was a penis joke for Mallory sorry gun and a gun double gun we're on a boat with Chloe Chelsea and Saxon and Lockie and we're partying and we've been partying for a while and we're headed toward a full moon so that's there I have no notes Lockie knows notes close-up magic i can't wait gary greg and bolinda are now circling each other i am fraser style concerned multiple googling sessions troubled the fancy cougars are now partying with three russians one of whom has a snake tattoo that goes all the way down to a very special place these are our robbers right 100 these are definitely our robbers yeah, and then Gay Talk? Guy Talk? We're going Guy Talk now? Might be the worst security guard of all time.
Listen. He's on a really strong pace for just, this is not the guy you want guarding your resort.
If Mook is like, come watch me dance, who among us is not going to have their heads turned? I'll just leave that gun right on the table. We all got to see Lisa perform at the Oscars.
Who could turn away from the dance performance now? We thought that Guy Toc, pursuing with confidence and certainty a promotion to Bangkok bodyguard after allowing the robbers in, and then, let's just say it, allowing them out as well. Not fending them off, to say the least.
But no, he immediately left Chekhov's gone unattended on the top of the desk and then vacated the premises with his would-be girlfriend and now it's gone and Tim has it great moment when Pam was like I'd like that back and he's like what the phone oh and one more Rick's in Bangkok yeah so we have six storylines we're juggling. Your favorite out of the six.

Oh.

Oh.

Well, I mean, it's still lorazepam, Tim.

Oh, right.

Like, I just think that Jason Isaacs on lorazepam is a gift for all of us.

So, yeah.

I am trying to remember the last time I had this much fun watching someone on TV.

Just completely unravel and meltdown.

I'm still, like, most invested in the Rick Chelsea. invested.
Yeah, but when the Ratliff's in general and Tim Ratliff in particular are on the screen I am wrapped. Whether or not the robe is open.
Him sprawling out on the bench on the boat is one thing, but then also let's just talk about Vicky's entire experience on that boat. Wonderful stuff.
And how upset she was. Lorazepam free.
Had to talk to all these people on the boat that she absolutely hated. Great moment when Piper was like, you can't get through one week at a wellness spot.
Right. And she's like, Lorazepam.
And later she's like, don't judge me. I'm on a boat with people I don't want to talk to.
Convention for condomin. And cheats.
Tax cheats. Like her husband.
What about you? What's your favorite currently? I think I liked being on the boat. Yeah, that was just great stuff.
I just like the whole vibe and seeing Lockie a little bit on leash finally. Lockie's having fun.
I'm wondering where that's going to go. And I don't know if it's going to go anywhere great or maybe it'll go incredible.
Guess what? It's not going to go great. Piper lost him.
Lost him in the tug of war. The family sibling tug of war by saying I'm leaving.
I'm coming to live here for a year. Can you stand up for me? He was fully in the Saxon hive after that conversation with Piper.
I don't think that's what did it though because he's abandoned her like kind of multiple times. But he's been pulled back and forth.
It was trending that way, but this like sealed it, right? She's not getting them back. I don't know.
We'll see. Locky.
Oh, Joanna jumped ahead. That's a Joanna jumped ahead clue.
She's like, I don't know. We'll see.
No. I couldn't resist seeing episode five.
No, I'm watching ahead. No one's watching ahead.
I just don't know that like, I don't know that that was like what lured him. I don't think it was like, I can't be there for my sister.
I think it was, I want to be on a boat with babes. Do you know? So do we think Thailand, this really is Thailand with all the guys there are just these people who are running away from something or they're con men? I think it's a slice of Thailand.
It's that. It's all the Russian expats.
There's like a bunch of other things going on. Yeah, this is leaving me more fascinated with Thailand than I ever expected to be.

And yeah, it's a TV show and it's just a small slice.

But Mike White clearly seems intrigued by something about why somebody goes there, why they want to stay there.

Are you hiding or are you seeking?

What are you hiding?

Hiding or seeking is like the 40 episode.

Are you wanting to party with the Russians or hang out on the boat with the con men and the tax cheats? Or what are you most wanting to do with your time here? Well, what I wouldn't want to do is go down to downtown for New Year's. No.
That sounds, that looked terrible. No.
I just, I'm going to throw this out there. I thought the geriatric pool that Jacqueline was so offended by seemed great.
We have found my happy place. Drinks, old people talking about their dead husbands and reading books.
Beautiful view. I'm in.
I thought that was great. So you're filing that away for when Adam passes, if he passes before you.
I'm going to die before Adam, I think. But hopefully he'll make his way to that pool and enjoy a nice time without me and think about how much I would have liked it.
Maybe it's for Adam. Okay, fair.
I definitely am not going to a club with the Magnar of Thin from Game of Thrones. Vlad is the Magnar of Thin from Game of Thrones and I am not going to a club with him.
He is definitely the rubber. Everything is on the menu.
That was the tall one? Yeah. Was he in Game of Thrones? Yeah, he was the Magnar of Thin.
Can you remind me? Because as you know, I haven't seen the show since it ended. Which one was it? They're one of the wildling clans.
And spoilers for Game of Thrones, there's a very satisfying moment where Jon kills him. But they are cannibal.
They eat people. They eat people.
They've got the wild in the show, like scar tattoos on their faces. Oh.
And they're kind of like Was this after the turn of the century in the 1300s or no it's all set exactly in the period of time where you think it's set okay alright so that guy that's where they got that guy cause that guy was a bad motherfucker you could just tell yeah so do you think they telegraphed that those were the robbers to the point that maybe they're not the robbers I went back and and re-watched the robbery. Oh, you did? Yeah.

And I was like, they just physically definitely

fit. Like, it's definitely Alexi.

Two guys. One guy driving.

With a gun and blood in the

passenger seat. And Alexi,

presumably Alexi, he's

so covered in the hoodie

and the mask and glasses. Like, you couldn't...

There's no peep of a snake tattoo. Yeah, you can't see

any of the tattoo, but it definitely seems

like it's them. I mean, Valentin is so clearly holding

that gate open. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Guy talk got

Thank you. and the mask and glasses.
Like you couldn't. There's no peep of a snake tattoo.
Yeah, you can't see any of the tattoo, but it definitely seems like it's them. I mean, Valentin is so clearly holding that gate open.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Guy talk got played.
Well, the only thing we know for sure is that episode five is off the rails. I can't fucking wait.
I have some tidbits from this for much later in the podcast from an experience I had this weekend. Oh, I can't wait.
A big topic was how has it not come out? What happened in episode five yet? People being surprised. This is an absolute thrill.
How do people who have watched it have not leaked it out? People respect the show so much that something in episode five is like, wow, how has this not come out yet? I don't know what that is. I hope everyone's going to to be okay I'm very concerned now but you can feel it though at the end of the show going toward a full moon it's like alright shit's going down just like last season does everybody turn into a werewolf and have an orgy at the club that'd be great so this is the midway point episode 4 to 5 is the midway of the season I know I did get sad I didwatch this morning.
If the nuts thing happens in episode five, that means we have three episodes of Fallout. Yeah.
That's how nuts it is. Exciting.
And we have one more actor or actress joining at some point over these next four episodes who we know who it is. Like, we know it's a famous person.
Okay. That's awesome.
That's the other thing that's happening. Can't wait.

That's all I've been able to gleam.

And I don't feel like that.

I feel like that's spoiler-free content right there.

Yeah.

Someone always shows up midway through.

Molly Shannon's coming.

Exactly.

Somebody fun is coming. Yeah.

And things are about to go off the rails.

Great.

All right.

We are going to go backwards.

We'll start at the top.

A fun morning that starts

with Jackie

trying to find her husband. Harrison.

Harrison. I thought he was on

I didn't think he was on set. I don't know what's going on.

Maybe you're on the set.

And it's not

going well. This made me kind of sad.

It's tough. From Jacqueline.

This made me sad. It's one thing to

not answer the phone call.

Time difference. Sure.
Whatever.

But both in this scene Thank you. It's tough.
From Jacqueline. This may be sad.
It's one thing to not answer the phone call,

time difference, whatever.

But both in this scene

and then in the subsequent conversation over the meal,

it's clear he has not been responding to her text messages.

I don't know.

I kind of like this.

And that is troubling.

I kind of like this for Kate and Lori.

Because earlier, Jacqueline's like,

we're obsessed with each other.

We're addicted to each other.

And Lori's like, okay, but you just got married. So you don't really know what's going on.
And Kate and Lori have been married for a long time to their respective marriage divorce. We read F***ing F***ing F***ing F***ing F***ing F***ing F***ing F***ing.
This makes me think that Jacqueline is now, and we see, obviously, a lot of this inside of this episode, in many respects, the lack of communication from Harrison, the just genuine ego blow of Valentin sending them to the old person's pool. Yeah.
She is this tightly wound coil right now and she is ready to spring and then spiral. I think anticipating that she has been betrayed, she will do some betraying, right? Like I will fuck someone else before you can.
I feel like Bill called this from the start. Whatever happens in Thailand stays in Thailand.
She says that in this episode. I feel like Bill said that she was going to push Valentin on Lori and then take Valentin for herself.
I feel like that was an early Bill theory. Yeah, a little power struggle.
How much of a Mike White file are you? Fairly. I'm wondering with this character and the younger husband on set, could that be the Lord? Did Laura Dern date anybody who was younger than her? I wonder if there's something going on there.
If he's calling out someone specifically. Didn't she date Ben Harper at that point? How much younger was Ben Harper, though? Not that much younger than her.
But it feels like this is a real-life thing, the actress dating somebody who's younger and they're obsessed with each other, but not really other I don't even think we need to nail it down to one person this is Taylor's oldest time I think I don't know it just struck me because I do think he puts real life stuff or maybe he heard the story of this but seems like something then I was trying to think what type of actor is the guy like who's Like, who's our parallel to this now? Who is Harrison? This is like Gwyneth Paltrow dating blank. Well, someone emailed us asking us if, because Megan Fahey and Leo Woodall, who are on season two, are dating.
And there's like a six-year age gap between them, which is not, I don't think, tremendous or something like that. This is 10, right? This is 10, yeah.
And we think

she's like 48,

49? Do we

think late 40s? That's around Michelle Monahan's

age, yeah. Mid, late 40s?

So this guy's like 35?

A famous actor

in his 30s. It's a little

Demi Moore Ashton Kutcher, maybe? Sure.

Could be, yeah. Oh, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know. I just feel like he's dipping into some stuff.

I don't know what the answer is to it, but

anyway, she can't find him and it's not good.

Thank you. Would that be more Ashton Kutcher, maybe? Sure.
Could be, yeah. Oh, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. I just feel like he's dipping into some stuff.
I don't know what the answer is to it. But anyway, she can't find him and it's not good.
I have a hard time being sympathetic to Jacqueline. I'm sorry when she is like so repulsed by this like extremely ordinary pool that she's been sent to.
I know. It's so funny.
Well, I mean, not to skip ahead, but I mean, isn't part of that like that's her audience for whatever show she's on? I mean, it's not her audience. She's probably on a CBS 10 o'clock show.
She's probably on a Blue Bloods type of show. We heard her say earlier in the season that she can never turn it off.
She always has to be her best self. That's in the mix.
Like she sits down. She's finally ready to just have fun, relax.

And immediately it's like, are you on TV?

She can never turn off that shine and that polish. But Saxon said the same thing when she sat down at the White Lotus Pool.

And she was quite rude to him too.

Less rude than she was to this movie.

Maybe.

And the fact that like Valentin thinks that this is their brand, right?

She's like, we want a vibe.

That's what she's offended by. We want the energy.
Well, you used the right word, ego blow. Yeah, it's an ego blow.
But there are a couple things to consider here. One, that he actually thinks that they would like this.
But I think what felt clearer across the episode, he sends them there. Then he abandons them in the street around the children.
He's like, don't worry, it i'll meet you in an hour go shopping without question knowing that they are gonna have no idea how to navigate that circumstance and then he brings his two friends to the club and i was really struck by the just maybe it's just you know language barrier thing but we know how to make fun not have fun like he's if we think they're the robbers then we have to ask if he's actually setting them up setting them up for some sort of crime here but also just that he is indulging in mocking them but that's that's a three-season theme though is the staff having real contempt for the people who stay at the hotel i mean mean, she called him Valentin for some reason. Yeah, you're a butler.
You're leaving. She called him Valentin which is not as bad as Saxon saying swastika.
That was unbelievable. Instead of the Thai greeting.
Wild stuff from Saxon. So that was how our morning started along with Belinda talking to her son.
She's still hearing noises. I don't know what's going on there.
What is happening in the villa? Well, I just. Is it haunted? I feel like it's an animal.
Is it a ghost? Yeah. And we're just like these unsettled Westerners who have come on this either exchange program or vacation who are freaked out and in an unfamiliar circumstance and poised to respond in a reckless outs outsized fashion to something that destabilizes them.
Is it a toilet snake, Mallory? I mean, we know for a fact from the snake show that a lot of those cobras come from the toilet. It could definitely be a toilet snake.
How much would that be in your head every time you went to the bathroom in Thailand? I would look down before sitting. I would look repeatedly while sitting.
You would not sit. You would hover only.
But it's a flush first before you do anything, I think. Can a flush keep a cobra at bay? I don't know.
Is this why Tim Ratliff keeps showering outside? Oh, man. That looks great.
I know he's really going through it, but that looks great. That shower.
Snakes in the toilet. Yet another reason I'm probably not going to Thailand.

Oh, just when we had you.

I'm out again.

You're out again.

Then we have Ratliff stealing pills

from his wife officially.

Okay.

This is like a 90210

plot thing

where somebody tries cocaine

and then the next episode

they're like,

where do I get a bump?

I'm dying.

He took two in the morning.

He took another one on the boat.

He's now a drug addict?

Lorazepam is highly addictive,

first of all. It's addictive in one day? And secondly...
Shouldn't be mixing it with this much booze, should you? I think when you're going through it, you don't want to feel a single thing. Perhaps it is.
Secondly, Rob and I were talking about this. How much does it creep you out that he takes those pills dry? It creeps you out so much.
This is a thing that people do on TV all the time. I never understand it.
It's like, they'm a dry pill taker. You're a dry pill taker? My wife thinks it's awful.
First of all, doesn't it hurt? But more importantly, it leaves a taste in your mouth. You know what? Some people are tougher than others.
Do we need to be tough about taking our medication? I don't think so. I'm happy to just swallow a pill and I'm fine.
Do you do this with every pill or only gel caps?

No, I'll just whip them down.

I can't.

I can't do it.

I respect it.

I know a lot of people who can't.

It's a special club to tell you.

You can't all of us.

So at the beginning,

we also have Guy Talk wants to have a date with Mook and finds out he needs to go to the gun range

and learn how to shoot a gun

because we're going to keep a gun on the premises now.

Poor Guy Talk. Well, when we get to the shootout at the end that we've already heard, there's no way that's just gun range noise, is it? No.
Because people are screaming and running. Yeah, people are too scared.
I'm excited to talk about what might happen now that Tim has the gun. Lots of different, I mean, not excited, filled with dread and trepidation, but a lot of different theories.
In this opening guy talk scene, though, quickly, like, we didn't just get Chekhov's gun. We got Chekhov's security camera.
We linger on the security camera. We linger on the monitor.
So now we know. We see it right after Tim takes the lorazepam.
Yes, exactly. So we know they're going to know Ratliff took the gun.
Well, I think Guy Talk is going to immediately look in the next episode and say, who did this? And then go find him. I don't think he even has, I mean, maybe he looks I don't even have to do this, but like he passes him on the path.
Multiple paths. And he's heard this guy like saying, why are we sure on the phone calls? Yeah.
I don't know. Damn.
Yeah. But can we just talk about Mook inviting him to watch her dance and stuff like that? Like she's definitely interested, right?, yeah.
This is not a creepy guy stalking a lady that he works with. She's interested.
I feel like she's even more the pursuer a little bit. It's probably like 55-45 Mook.
She's into the date the next night. She asks him to come watch her dance.
She goes later to make sure he sees her in her outfit. I still ship it, even though I'm terrified.
I fully support it. Too bad he's going to be shot to death.
He's lovely. I hope he enjoys his next three days of life.
I ship her with his corpse. We also get in the morning Saxon's Loud Blender.
Drink it, Lockie. This was just an unbelievable piece of television.
We do it. We don't do it for the taste.
We do it for the high tea and the BDE. Girls aren't into super jack eyes, Sax, Piper says.
Oh my God. What are they into? Gender goblins who tuck their dicks between their legs and then he imitates it.
Yeah, you're going to get up and give us the gender goblin? They do figure out two times an episode just to make him be the worst. But I still enjoy the hell out of it.
Grabbing the book, Joe and Rob talked on their Deep Dive in Theory breakdown about the fact that that book that Piper's been listening to and reading about identity and that line about identity as a person is the symbolism of Saxon taking this book about identity and identity being a person and booping her on the head as he dances around like a bigoted dipshit. Very rich text.
Well, yeah. So he says, what are you doing? Reading? Oh, no.
She says, what are you doing? She says, reading. And he goes, why? That was in Lockia.
What are you doing? Reading? Why? He's tremendous. Mom's pills are missing.
And we have the dad just sitting there at the bathroom. And we're like, so did you know immediately we were seeing so much inner thigh no it was on my radar because it reminded me of the Duchovny Larry Sanders same kind of like posture and it was like oh man we saw a lot of inner thigh but you were primed for this because Bill texted you to be like, there's something for you.
True. Yeah,

I shouldn't have texted you.

True.

But I think I would have been excited to,

to see what happened with the robe no matter what,

just because if you're wearing a bathrobe and it's loosely fastened and you

sit at an elevated position on a bar stool and then you do this and this,

only one thing is going to happen.

And it's going to be that your dick is hanging out with the tip,

gently rubbing against the fabric of the bar stool.

So I have some thoughts. Let's hear them.
Go ahead. The floor is yours.
The bathrobe with no underwear is aggressive with the family. He had just gotten out of the shower.
It's aggressive. Drying off.
But you have your family. No.
It's aggressive. Those bathrobes, hotel bathrobes.
It was like a shorty robe. Those are like not fire retardant suits.
A lot of things can go wrong. The robe can...
I'm having underwear on if my kids are there. And then the way he sits, I think what they're trying to say is his mind is racing with so many different things.
He's so out of it. He has no idea.
He's on drugs. The reactions of the kids I thought was one of the funny.
Sensational stuff. The daughter was just slumped on the couch.
She's never going to be the same. No one wants to see their dad's dick.
Nobody. That would exactly be what happened with my kids.
A hundred percent. I also felt like the reactions could have been bigger.
I feel like we could all stand to be a little bit more concerned about Tim than we are as a family. Yeah.
Well, this is one of the flaws of the episode. As drugged out as Parker Posey is, at some point you have to be like, man, this guy's like, what's happened to him? When he starts feeling Piper's face on the boat.
I found that heartbreaking. But yeah, you find this last episode that the family wasn't pushing enough on like, what is going on with you? This episode's even more blatant.
But this episode was more glaring, I think, because he is, you know, he's Mr. I don't do drugs, I don't take drugs.
So he's walking around clearly in a drug haze the entire episode. And even if they didn't clock the drug thing and Vicky's like, wait, who took my lorazepam? Could it possibly be Tim, who is obviously on drugs at this very moment? He is slamming whiskeys on that boat.
Slamming them. And someone should be a little bit more concerned than they are.
Obviously, Piper and Lockie are horrified to see their dad's dangling dick. Saxon, cackling.
It wasn't dangling. It was more like, yeah, it seemed more like really at rest.
This is a video podcast, so if you are only listening, you can watch Mallory do dick charades.

What do you think? Prosthetic in the proud tradition of White Lotus? Theo James, who had

previously shown his dick on other

properties, used a prosthetic

in season two. Mallory Urban Dickologist,

thank you so much for listening. I think this

is... What do you think? The real Isaacs.

I think so, too. Yeah.
What do you think?

I'm going to give you my answer right after

this. Wow.
Oh, that's how you keep from coming back after an hour class. Thank you.
All right. We're going to play real dick or stunt dick presented by Uber Eats.
I'm going fake. Okay.
Tell us why. Do you need like a laser pointer for the monitor? As you know, I was hard in the camp of that Theo James stunt dick last episode.
Yeah. I think in general they go stunt dick every time because the guy has to...
You're on the set for hours. I just think they put like they do what they did in Boogie Nights.
They just. They just put the fake dick sleeve over the dick.
And then they don't have to worry about it. The actor's not thinking about, oh my God, I got to make sure I got enough blood down there.
And I just feel like. But he's not.
He's like. Yeah, it's flaccid.
Yeah, still impressive, but flaccid. There were no balls to be.
If you really want to go, my wife and i but he was sitting we we paused it yeah no balls whatsoever he's an older guy but i'm gonna say balls are gonna be around lots of pubic hair yeah oh you think he should have had a a saggier ball i just think i think whatever prosthetic thing they use kind of overpowered the rest of the area and it just it didn't sit right with me. Okay.
I'm going to say prosthetic. I say this is natural.
Yeah. I, you know.
I can try to find out for next episode. If you guys, if we really.
Or maybe we don't want to know. There will be interviews.
No question. I am confident that people will have asked Jason Isaacs if that is his real penis.
Yeah, for sure. The thing is, once you've committed to that accent, What country is he from? Why not show your dick? England.
Yeah. Well, as you know, I thought, what was that movie with the crazy guy in the English castle? Saltburn? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I thought there was some fluffing for that. I thought there was...
That's definitely his penis. Well, it definitely is, but I think he was...
And he fucked a grave with it.

Yeah.

Are you going to be there for

Saltbird Rewatchables?

The last episode of the feed? Do you want to ask me again

if I'm enjoying my time in LA?

How could you not be?

My God. Jason Isaacs.

We'll find out the answer at some point.

Yeah. Anyway.

From the basilisk in the Chamber of secrets to this basilisk.

Don't do it.

Don't do it.

A true patriot, if you know what I mean.

Did you see the interview that Scott Galloway, who was the voice of the lawyer in episode three?

Is that true?

Yeah.

That he, that Jason Isaacs came to his house to give him acting lessons.

And I feel like if you're that committed, you're just putting your actual dick on screen. English, I'm trying to think of different countries that you can profile people that way, but I would say the English probably give less of a shit.
James is British and he chickened out. So who's to say? Just kidding.
If you don't want to show your dick on television that's not chickening out you're allowed to do that

well wasn't the point

they needed to make it

like a monster one

to get Aubrey Plaza

intrigued

well

they didn't need to use

a prosthetic for that

I don't think

yeah Mal's seen

some of his previous work

on Mr. Skin

I think that was more

about the specific angle

for that scene

okay

you know

sure

that is true

remember

hide or seek

yeah

I'm sorry. I think that was more about the specific angle for that scene.
You know? That is true. Remember? Hide or seek.
Yeah, I didn't know you were seeking. We're moving to Chelsea.
Okay. Who starts breakfast by saying how things happen in three and she's in Final Destination.
Very concerning. Death is coming for me.
Really, really, really playing up the death theme with them and then guilt's Rick to go on the boat. Cute, adorable pout.
not say no to a pouting Chelsea it worked on me I wanted to go on the boat by the time she was done yay it was very great we have talked a lot about the entire cast we've talked a lot about Jason Isaacs a lot about Gagas this is like a sensational performance Amy LeWood I mean she is Amy is killing it this is just unbelievable what did Van call her in the taxi set? Hot Tooth Lady? Hot Tooth Lady. New White Lotus fan Van Lathan.
Hot Tooth Lady. Hot Tooth Lady.
Amy Lewis is in two days. Unbelievable.
Crushing it. Yeah, this was really good.
So they decided to go on the boat, but then Rick runs into his therapist who has kind of a nice moment with Rick. I thought this was beautiful.
You've touched my heart. Yeah.
Let go of your story. I have high hopes for you.
If somebody came to you and said, you have touched my heart, would you just immediately start crying now? Probably. Yeah.
I've seen her do it. Probably.
Find peace in life. I would love to find peace in life.
I mean, we heard him say in episode three, like, I can't get my life back. And we talked about exactly this.
Like, how much of that is real? How much of that is this this prison that he feels he's in and this was just like the look on his face the way that he has actually opened up in those sessions with amrita so far and this resistance he has to like allowing himself to be free while obviously also carrying a genuine and intense amount of emotional turmoil is very compelling to watch and he been sensational. I hope that these words from her are in his ears,

and in his mind, and in his heart when he stares

down Jim Hollinger. That is what I hope.

Or also, anything

that Chelsea said, because we get, well,

I have some thoughts and theories about what he

says to Chelsea inside of this episode.

Yeah, yeah, we're getting to that. Well, one

other thing on this.

The therapist says, I have hopes for you. Yeah.
Did you feel like that was genuine? Yes. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So she's in on Rick.
How could you not be? Rick's basically Affleck in Manchester by the sea. Like, he's just, he can't beat it.
The scene on the hill. Cheerful film.
Cheerful film. Yeah.
The scene on the hill where he's like, I just can't, I can't. Or when he's not on the hill, it's to the kid.
Yeah. When he's explaining why they have to break up.
I just can't beat it. That's kind of Rick's MO in this episode.
It's like, I just. Something that's been interesting about.
This guy ruined my life. I got to get, I got to do it.
Something that's been interesting about the interviews that Walton Goggins and Amy Lewwood have been giving about Rick and Chelsea is they've said basically they've been together for several years, like three years, that he's not been like this. That this is like a new midlife crisis moment for him.
She keeps referencing like why don't we have fun anymore. So it's's been trying to, like, draw this out of him the whole time.
It's, like, he's been a better version of himself. And right now he's just stuck in this one mode.
Yeah. In a rut.
Yeah. Yeah.
I thought it was sad when she invoked this idea of, like, the cloud. And the things that she's saying on some level, like, are fair and make sense.
If you're in a relationship with somebody, especially for that long long and they won't tell you what's going on in their life of course it would make you feel like distant from them but also he is so clearly going through something genuine and painful that it like has to feel pretty bad to hear that I think their dynamic feels like very even though it is completely like heightened and bizarre in that respect very true like what people are willing to share and when and what they withhold and when I think like you were,

you were,

you know,

mentioning last,

last week tracking from prior seasons because they're different

characters broadly.

So what can we bring season to season in this question of like,

who is actually on an arc of some sort of level of emotional enlightenment?

It feels like halfway.

Rick is less,

I think on the Quinn season one,

I am actually experiencing a revelation and And I want to live my life a different way. And a little bit more in the, like, Valentina or even Harper Ethan season two spot of just, like, some level of self-acceptance and self-awareness gained over the course of the season.
That feels like a little bit more of the comp for him based on what we've seen so far. Yeah.
It feels like he has a choice to make. Yeah.
He's already made the choice to go to Bangkok, which I think is the wrong choice. Stay on the boat with Chelsea.
Quite rude to that guy who hit him in the head with a backpack. Stay on the boat.
Stay on the boat with all those fun people, all those fun males you can talk to. Got some great winners there.
Stay at the villa with Chelsea. Chelsea would have gotten off the boat if Rick said, I'll stay with you if you get off the boat.
Yeah, let's go back to the hotel pool. We get the fancies at breakfast.
Yes. And Jackie's now spinning out.
And I'm just throwing this out here as a theory. Okay.
Still has a chance to be the worst character of this season. Not worst character, but worst person.
Like most morally deplorable? She might. It's in place.
She might be the worst person on the show. On what? By what metric? Caring the least about the emotional damage she does to the people she is in theory close to.
She's like, my feelings are hurt because my 10 years younger husband hasn't called me back yet. And now I'm just going to, let's get fun.
I'm ready to fuck up some lives. I'm going to order my butler around.
I'm not rooting for Jacqueline by any stretch of the imagination.

I just think that Tim has the possibility to cause this.

Destroy many lives.

Yeah.

Well, I think it's already happened.

Yeah.

Destroying many lives.

Yeah.

On what level?

His assets and his prosthetic penis are frozen.

My God.

Everyone at the club is going to know.

Yeah.

Everyone at the club.

I was like, thank God my parents are dead.

That was tough.

Very sad.

All right. So we go on the boat.
Okay. Greg Gary, we find out he's retired.
A little government work, a little investing. Yeah.
A little investing. Yeah.
That's totally how you get 150 foot yacht. Investing in a woman who I got killed.
Yeah. Parker Posey holding an umbrella which I appreciated a little parasol wonderful

did you like their

sort of reservoir dog

slow-mo walk

towards the camera

I really did

me too

Ratliff's a zombie

yeah

kind of thing to drink

just sees out of it

he's bummed out

that Rick's there

he's just having

the worst time ever

I wanted more from that

and it was very brief

yeah

I wanted them to

blow up at each other

it makes me think

they're gonna have

a big scene later

I think so too

yeah

holding back

they're kind of

circling each other

a little bit

I think so too

he raids the pills

I'll speak to blow up at each other again. It makes me think they're going to have a big scene later.

I think so, too.

Yeah.

Holding back. They're kind of circling each other a little bit.

I think so, too.

He raids the pills, becomes a pills addict in 24 hours.

And then we find out that Piper tells Lockie, I'm moving here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is not, I wasn't here to interview a monk.

No.

No.

She lied to her family.

It's a family of liars. Brought them across the globe under false pretenses.
It's like a 30-hour trip however long it takes. Yeah.
Yep. Three layovers.
And apparently those villas are $10,000 a night at that location. Jesus.
And you still have poisoned fruit on your deck? Yeah. There's a report.
That's of Four Seasons, right? So there's been a report that they've had people checking in and upgrading to the White Lotus Villas like in the last couple weeks and they're $10,000 a night. What did you guys make, by the way, I don't want to leave Tim on the boat yet, but what did you make of the fact that the old people at the pool said they couldn't get into the White Lotus because you can only go if you're a guest, but Gary and Chloe are routinely there.
Oh, that's a total

super rich person thing. They have just

special people. Yeah, I think there's probably like

special properties that are attached to the hotel.

Because those things are there like for the group.

They're like on a cruise.

Your group can't get in. Because if you're in the hotel, you

want people like them to come down, eat

dinner, and drink at your bar. I heard from someone in

hospitality and they were like, that happens all the time if you're

like super rich and you're nearby. You can come in.
Your grandfather did. Yeah, you can come and have at your bar.
I heard from someone in hospitality and they were like, that happens all the time. If you're like super rich and you're nearby,

you can come in. Your grandfather did.

Yeah, you can come and have dinner.

So yeah, Piper's going to live in Thailand.

Yeah. I don't know.
I don't love

the match of

Piper, who's about as fun as a stick

in Thailand. I don't know.

I have some concerns

initially. Well, the question is,

you know, is she going to stay?

Because

her, Rob and I were you know. Spirituality.
Is she going to stay?

Because her, Rob and I were talking about this, her drop in at the monastery was very superficial. Like, I know she's got an appointment for later, but she just kind of looks like, how much does she know about the reality of what it is to live at a monastery in Thailand for a year? And it seems very much in keeping with White Lotus that a character like Piper, who feels that she's better than her family, above her family, is going to commit to this sort of thing, is just going to not.
It's going to relapse into pampered privilege by the end of the season. But this is another Mike Waite theme, because this was basically season one.
Yeah, this was Olivia. The kids who are part of this family that from the outside seems great and they have enough money to do whatever they want but the kids aren't happy they don't like her face when Lockie and Saxon are like we're gonna stay in the boat and she she just looks like I have to eat dinner with these two fucking lunatics tonight well she's supposed to ask Lockie to be there for her to tell tell the news.
I was really struck by when she kind of was priming Lachie for, hey, will you be in my survivor alliance? Obviously, I'm a Mike White passion point. She was like, yeah, no, yeah.
I went and I looked yesterday and I'm sure. I walked around for 30 seconds and I'm sure.
And I think that Piper is, to me, mileage may vary, way more likable than the Sydney Sweeney Olivia character from season one who I thought was like despicable deeply and very unlikable I like Piper yeah I like Piper way more but I think that's fair the Sydney Sweeney character was awful oh yeah I think you're right to identify that there's a parallel there that Mike White is interested in interrogating. And it's active text in this episode.
Like, Piper is a better person than Saxon. Objectively.
Piper has, like, morals and outlooks that are more in line probably with many of the people watching. But when her mom says, you're like the most judgmental one here, it's kind of hard to dispute that point.
Well, and that puts her more in the Harper camp. And would we not say that Harper had sort of like a, I'm better than you.
Oh, wait, I'm exactly like you moment in season two. Yeah.
So I think Piper's I'm better than you is going to bite her in the ass. That's Mike White's favorite thing.
As you know, I loved Harper and Ethan. When you say that she's judgmental, is it worse than Saxon calling her a sourpuss sad sack shithead? That's great.
It made me laugh so much. It's not great.
Right before he wanted to go talk to the three girls and said, these girls are looking for some young cum. Yeah, they want some young cum.
The way he said that is he said that is that the young gun sequel

you've been waiting for

these girls are thirsty

for some young fucking

cum that was great

Lockie's reaction to that was priceless

we needed him to get Lockie going

and Lockie has now been activated

we're in store for a major

Lockie episode in episode 5

I think he has moved up in the death odds

they've telegraphed too much

Chelsea final destination stuff I think she dropped on FanDuel is it because you hate magicians generally that you're putting Lachlan on the watch list I was impressed by the magic stuff magic was great I was impressed too Chelsea was impressed and I was impressed you had mentioned the opening credits with Lachlan last time which. I can't shake in the opening credits.
I think we're all aligned that the Chelsea stuff is so voluminous. It does feel like it's meant to mislead us at this point.
But the zoom into the mangled animal corpse over her name on the credits, the camera moves into the death in a way that has me just very on edge still. Very on edge.
I'm worried. Can I do a quick tangent here for one of my true passions which is when shows prosthetic penises no we're moving on when shows crossover for no reason with another show because i was thinking how great it would have been if there was just one scene where connor roy was there with his with his wife and it's like they're there they're on the boat and they what about one of the like billions criminals on the yacht just somebody from that universe just they're on the boat for just a minute and it's never really acknowledged and we don't even know if it's the same people it would have been called i think the move would have been cousin greg because he is like firmly etched in our minds with yacht cannon yeah because of the toenail fungus obviously this is like one of the most memorable things that's happened in the last decade of.
And it was on my mind here because they all fucking wear shoes on. And I'm like, is this not teak? Did succession teach us nothing? And only Saxon, model citizen that he is, had the decency to wear boat shoes.
What the hell is everyone else wearing? Gotta wear the boat shoes. You don't have the foot fungus, Conco? She's appalled that we find Saxon so compelling.
It is just that he is entertaining. He is entertaining.
He's deeply entertaining. Very much so.
He's just like one of the worst humans I've ever seen. He's a bad person.
We're full of knowledge in that. Great to watch.
Listen, there's two kinds of people. One is the type who, if there's an Instagram video of a dog humping somebody's leg, they laugh.
And the other side is, they're like, oh, no, that's terrible. Mal and I would laugh.
We know how Saxon would laugh. She's like, how have I chosen to spend this much of my time and career with these two idiots? Stop being a sourpuss, sad-sax shithead.
Such a piper. Okay.
Can we talk about Tim and Gary?

I don't want to cut you off,

but if I ever need help

hiding my money from the government,

or one of my ex-myers,

I'll call you.

Swatty never.

Rick mocking the very thing that Tim needs,

which is somebody to help him hide his money

from the government.

What do you make of this, Bill?

So we learned my father was a very successful businessman. Oh, man.
My grandfather was the governor of North Carolina. Governor of North Carolina.
We are going to officially need North Carolina corner with Tate Frazier before the end of the season. The way he said North Carolina really felt like it hit that accent perfectly.
Then he said with the dad, very, very successful businessman. Thank God he's dead.
Very painful. Just kind of says that under his breath because he knows.
Barazepam Tim is so out of control that one of the creeps on the boat is like, I'll meet you at the bar. Even they can't be around Tim Ratliff in this state.
This is very sad to watch. I am worried about whether he's going to be with us for more than one episode, honestly, at this point? Or is he just going to stay in Thailand and hide from the consequences of his actions? This is the thing.
Oh, he just goes in hiding? He's basically doing an interview with Gary for a can you help me hide my money campaign. He's sniffing.
The fact that they end up on, and obviously this is the conversation later with Vicky and Piper and Tim. You have no idea how lucky you are that your dad is a boy scout.
And Tim is like, oh my God, everybody. The people at the club, the ghosts of my dead parents, my beautiful family, my legacy and identity have been shattered and everyone will know I am a fraud.
How deeply painful to have to confront. We hear him say on the phone call, which we'll obviously talk about, like, I would rather be fucking dead than go to prison.
And then he goes and takes a gun. And when Pam asks for his phone, he's like, yeah, I'm not going to need it again.
Worrying. But in this conversation with Gary, so what about you? Are you hiding or seeking? I'm just on vacation with my family, but you never know.
So which way is this going to go? Is Tim going to say, hey, yeah, you know what? Vicky's right. I was on a yacht full of con men and cheats.
Maybe I can get some advice from one of them. Or is Greg Gary going to sense how desperate Tim is seeking to evade detection and try to capitalize on that in some way? If you kill Belinda, I'll do this, this, this, and this.
The thing I love about Greg Gary, it's really sticking. This performance.
It's a good dog name. I can't tell what he's thinking at any time.
Like when Chloe later asked for the yacht. Yeah.
You know, and he's clearly like pissed about it. But like, how pissed is he? It's a very good restrained performance.
It's right. I think it's hard to pull off.
Yes. Yeah, he does a nice job of I never know what he's thinking ever.
The only time he really like tells on himself is when he's watching Saxon and Chloe that's kind of it or also the side eye that he gave Belinda when she was walking through the lobby well that was just like yeah again very very worrying very worrying his house looked really nice what did you think of the old Hawaiian shirt guy with the Dr. Pepper hair and the young trophy Thai girlfriend wife which one when Parker poses Parker poses like, you should put a ring on that.
I love that guy. Those guys exist.
They're usually minority owners of NBA teams. Yeah.
There was like 10 of them on the boat. They can't quite get on the trophy celebration, but they're over there with the badge on.
Incredible. But I really enjoyed that casting.
I thought that was good. We also had Lock and Do Magic Tricks, which we mentioned.
Loved. We have dad fondling Piper's face and having a nervous breakdown.
I promise you if I did that to Zoe, she would immediately call my wife and be like dad's having a mental breakdown. Here's Lorazepam Tim's lowest moment and it's not stealing a gun.
I think it's gaslighting Vicky when he steals her drugs and he's like, you're always losing things. You don't know where anything is.
I'm just like, you motherfucker. And like, the saddest thing about that is she kept offering them.
Yeah. Right? He's withholding and lying here for no reason.
Like, he's worried about this great deception being revealed, but he's compounding it by hiding all of these other things. It's just, honestly, White Lotus is a very funny, darkly comic show, but this is like deep tragedy.
Here's my question about Vicky. Like if we're talking about like, what could push someone over the edge? Like if Vicky finds out the truth about what's happening with Tim, like what is that going sober Vicky? Sober doesn't have her pills, Vicky.
Right. Right.
What is that going to do to her? I wrote down in my notes. Nothing good.
I wrote down in my notes, this family's just a whiff incesty. Well, yeah.
Just a whiff. We've been talking about the Targaryens for a reason.
The face fondling was really strange. That was more platonic sweetness and devastation.
No, no, no. It lingered too long.
It lingered too long. It lingered too long.
It's still lower in the power ranking after Lockie watching his brother walk naked to jerk off in the mirror. Well, that was weird.
And also behind Lockie looking at his brother's ass in bed the next morning. And also below the...
This family is pretty a mess. And below Saxon's sister.
And Vicky's anecdote about Uncle Babe. Right.
Training troll. You're right.
This family's off. Yeah.
Who is the succession character? The guy who worked in the company who was, it turned out he was like Uncle Mo. Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God. From Molester.
Call him Uncle Mo after Molester. God damn, I missed that show.
What a show. Parker Posey gets mad at Piper.
But then one other big thing happens here. Chelsea confronts Rick.
They have their moment on the deck. Here's my thoughts and theories.
Really great. Go ahead.
This is so good. Joe, you have the floor.
So he says, the dude who murdered his father, Scott Glenn, Jim Hollinger, owns this hotel. He's in Bangkok, so I'm going to Bangkok.
And he says, I never knew my father. I told you that.
He was a do-gooder. He came to Thailand to help people.
He was trying to help these locals keep a shady American from stealing their land. I don't really know the details.
One day he disappeared and they never found him. Yeah.
I don't believe any of that is true. I believe that that is what his mother told him on her deathbed.
He thinks it's true. But I don't, I think he's going to find out one of two things.
Either that just Jim Hollinger straight up his dad. Yes.
Who absconded to Thailand. That's been the leader in the club.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Jim Hollinger's like, you think your dad was a good dude? Right.
He absolutely was not. And this is what he's built his, Rick has built part of his identity on this, on this fairy tale.
Yeah. That his dad is a do-gooder.
Rightoder who tried to, I don't know, the plot of Seven Samurai? He came to Thailand to help locals with real estate stuff? Yeah. What does that mean? To keep a shady American from stealing their land.
He was definitely the shady American. The shady American trying to steal their land.
You and Rob joked about this recently, but it actually is setting up to be the Darth Vader. The Anakin Vader.
I know. It's definitely Darth Vader.
How do you pull it out of him, though? She's crushing it. She got him to open up.
Rick's just opening up left and right. My God, is this a bit you killed my father? You're prepared to die.
Kind of. Great stuff.
Just great stuff to get the Princess Bride reference in there. And the last big thing on the boat was that we mentioned it.
Greg and... Greg Gary and a rat left having a drink.
Yeah. Boring.
Got sick of the rat race, apparently. Yeah.
Also, I had my wife murdered and she was found in the water. I have a lot of notes still about his...
I have gone into hiding strategy, which is terrible. Why did he tell any of the story about Tanya? Any of it.
With the weird detail about the leg. Why is he buying another white lotus? Why is his name basically the same fucking thing? He's one of the worst criminals in a while.
It took one Google search to figure this out. I will say, we did get emails from a bunch of people saying when you're in the Witness Protection Program, apparently they advise that you change your name to something that is similar.
So that it feels more natural. Yeah, so that when you're called that, you respond to it faster.
You got emails from people telling us this? how would they know this? how is this like a thing somebody knows? by the way I was almost in witness protection and they told me I could go for build a bob let's take one more break and then we're going to talk about the fancies so the fancies take us right now somewhere fun, you're our butler. You're coming with us.
She's just unraveling. And we end up at a bar with the two friends, Alexi and Vlad.
I'm so glad that someone's named Alexi. Almost every Russian I've ever met has been named Alexander, Alexi, or Sasha, which is all the same name.
And so I'm really glad that they got that right.

Those two, they look like just UFC fighters

or bad guys.

He had mentioned to Guy Talk when inviting him

to the fight that one of his friends was a fighter.

So that could certainly be one of them, but also

they are the robbers for sure.

I forgot that we have that.

We have the fight coming. So how many days away is that?

I don't know. It's Friday.

Friday night, and so is Piper's conversation. I know happening on Friday.
So that could be second to last episode? We're going Saturday to Saturday? Vlad is definitely, I think, his friend who's in the fight. And also Guy Tuck got a real good look at him when he came out of the car.
We did not see the face, but he did. So he's going to be like, that's him, the robber.
That's the robber. And then be killed before he's able to accidentally fire the gun when the monkey scares him? I don't know.
We need a guy talking a lot of places. Will the snake choker play into any of this? Because Chelsea was looking at the snake choker that we presume Alexei.
Snake tattoo. Yeah, snake tattoo.
Maybe he's like, I need this because it matches my very interesting snake tattoo. Go snake choker to the fight? Okay.
Question for you both about Valentine. So it's Valentine, not Valentine.
Valentine. It's Valentine.
Valentine, right? So he's like yelling at the front desk. Did you clock this? When they go up to him.
When they came back? Yeah. And they're like, why did you send us there? He's like, I can't really leave.
But before he talks to them, like the person at the front desk, he seemed to be like yelling at that person. He He was very animated.
I've never trusted him for a minute one on the show. But like, what do you think that was? Was he like, I know for a fact they're not here.
Let me in their room. Let me in the villa.
Or part of the inside job of the boutique fallout. Right.
Was it something about the robbery? That was just very suspicious and weird. I didn't even notice that.
Like the way he was behaving. It's, again, kind of like a version of, it does seem like legit, but kind of a version of all the Chelsea death things where it's like you're saying, there's so much evidence.
Is it meant to deceive us? I don't know. I think he's just at the very least someone who helped pull off a boutique robbery and is about to show some ladies a good time and possibly also robbed them.
I was going to say he wouldn't rob them because that's shitting where he eats, but he already helped rob the boutique where he works. Exactly.
Most surprising person who actually did the boutique robbery would be Mook. Oh, yeah.
I don't think Mook's in on it at all. Mook is pure.
That would be the shocker, though, right? This whole time Mook's been double assessed. You know, who's my dark horse? Pam.
What's Pam doing? I'm just kidding. I don't think she's doing it, but I do want to shout out Pam, her face.
The phone garter? When he's walking towards her and she's like looking up, eager to please, and then she's like, oh no. Oh no.
Oh no. He's unraveled.
Yeah, you're popular. Yeah.
Great stuff. So we have Belinda.
He's like, uh, no, no, Pam, we're not doing this. Belinda finally goes on the internet.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure I would have done this immediately.
I don't know why 20 hours had to pass I agree I think you google this guy right away you're not thinking about that you're lying in bed at night can't be like hey you know what I should do google Greg Gary yeah so this was interesting like I guess not that you necessarily keep tabs on people who fucked you over and didn't follow through on the business investment that they briefly toyed with this goes back to my earlier point that we're not we don't have a steady roster of who died at a white level well but this was major news like she Googles tanya saying no it was like abc well she definitely didn't know about all the articles were national news i was zooming in she would remember him pretty immediately yeah yeah and she was again able to piece it together fairly quickly but i don't don't know. Like, you guys might have better memory than I do, but if I met Greg, I would remember Tanya, but I wouldn't necessarily remember Greg.
I can't remember people I met yesterday, so I wouldn't be the worst person. Yeah, he's like a distinctive face.
But I guess the, I think her taking a little while to place him makes sense, but because she specifically asked, do you know Tanya? I agree with you. Then like, go Google it immediately.
That delay felt a little. I disagree because I think tracking this character who says like, I know I'm right.
Like I think she has to talk herself into that. I think she was, we're supposed to think of her as like so defeated by what happened to her in season one of White Lotus.
Yes, for sure. This is like someone who's like coming back into herself.
So I think particularly like just sort of as someone who's like, I don't think she always trusts herself anymore about things. And then it just took her a moment.
Right. Less than a day to do the Google.
You know, true. I'm doing it right away.
Aeris drowns in Sicily under mysterious circumstances. Aeris' husband wanted for questioning.
So they couldn't fucking find this guy?

This is interesting.

Like, not a surprise, but confirmation that he is, in fact, he's not just hiding, anticipating that he needs to hide.

He is actively on the run.

Actively on the run.

Because he is a suspect in her.

In a fucking awesome house next to another white lotus.

I just Googled extradition Thailand.

What's the answer?

I don't know.

It's very complicated. Greg Hunt.
Greg Hunt, 27 years, deputy director at BLM. The BLM season one plotline was her Black Lives Matter thing.
Really a time on television with Tanya. What a moment that was.
So do you think going back to season one, now granted they wrote that during COVID and he's pumping it out, but do you think in season one when he meets Tanya, did they ever think that that would evolve into this?

You think Mike White knew that in season one?

I don't think so. I would say no.
Tanya goes down to the pool to watch Greg swim.

And a guy, like a young, hot, buff, gorgeous chest hair that I remember quite vividly, I have to say, goes and sits next to her and marks her as a rich, lonely old woman who he can take advantage of. And it's in the exact moment where she's like entering into this courtship with Greg.
So I think it was at least like, I did not clock out in real time watching season one, to be clear, but on revisiting it, it's like, oh, I wonder if that was at least something that they were considering. Greg being a scammer, yes, but Tanya and Greg being like the through line of three seasons of television.
I don't think so. But the idea that someone would look to take advantage of Tanya romantically to get to her money, I think was there.
Well, we got a stare down in the lobby. That was fun too.
We also had Greg Gary gives Chloe the boat for the night. Even after watching Saxe getting a little flirty.
And he's like, you know what? There's a huge pool on the boat. Imagine having a boat with a pool on it.
It seems great. I simply would never leave.
It seems fucking great. And then dab off the side looked wonderful.
That looked wonderful. So many options.
Okay. So he finds Belinda's Instagram and is looking at the photos of her and Zion.
But that's the very end. Yeah.
A couple other things happen though. Chloe said Rick goes, Yeah.
Leaves Chloe behind. Yeah.
Chelsea behind. Yeah.
Chelsea. And, and he said, the guy ruined my life from day one.
And Chelsea says, but makes it seem like he's not going to kill him necessarily. And she goes, come on.
I know you, Rick. This is what you do.
What does that mean? This is what you do. Does that mean he's a hit man? It could be.
That's been like an early popular theory about Rick. I think it's more like once you do something, you do it all the way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I see what you mean.

I just need to look in his face and tell him what he did to me while he's still alive.

And then she's like, I know you're not just going to plan to talk.

Again, very like dear Mr. Sawyer vibes here.

Then we're at dinner with the Ratliffs.

Classic Scorpio.

Honestly.

This was Parker Posey's best scene.

The dinner?

Really? This was a convention for con men and tax cheats. I'm sure you cheat on your taxes, mom.
Well, not so badly that we have to leave the country. It wouldn't be a surprise if a few of them are actual killers.
We don't know how lucky we are to have a father who's an actual Boy Scout. Tough beat for our guy.
Time for him to go see if he can find his phone. How do you see him as a literal criminal? Yeah.
Who did a literal large multi-million embezzlement and fraud deal. Big embezzler.
Yeah. Only made 10 million, guys.
Only 10. What was the point? I don't get out of bed for less than 15.
What was the point? And then Tim gets his phone back. He finds out that Kenny Wynn, I think was the guy's name, cooperating with the feds.
Best we can do is cut a deal. I can't work in finance if I was an embezzlement in fraud.
No kidding. I'd be shocked if they haven't frozen your assets already.
I don't know if you have a joke, follow-up joke on that. Frozen assets? Just a few months, dot, dot, dot.
In prison? Yeah. I would rather die.
You understand me? I would rather die. What do you want me to tell my family? We're fucking poor.
The worst thing that could possibly happen to you. And then he sees the gun.
Dry heaves. Dry heaves.
Comes up from the dry heaves. Sees the gun.
This, to me, puts Tim actually down the he's going to die list. Do you know? Because he has a gun and he's on drugs.
No, down. Because he says, I'd rather die.
Do you hear me? I'd rather die. In the same way that Chelsea being marked for death makes us think that she's less likely to die.
Oh, so you think it's a throw off the scent? I think that he is going to try to kill himself, but I think he will be halted in some way. This is the plan with the gun.
Yes. Definitely.
He's taking the gun. Also, I think the question of whether he tries to shoot himself or whether he suffers some sort of medical event because he's not used to taking all of these pills.
He's drinking a lot passes out in the pond something yeah and Zion finds his body accidentally in a haze eats the poison fruit who knows fruit blender still in play fruit blender still in play definitely people loved that theory oh they did oh yeah people loved the poison smoothie theory the I think if if he goes because he goes back to the dinner table so then the question is like does he have some time but again he said to pam she's like i hope you don't need this again he's like i won't like it seems like he's prepared to act imminently so is he gonna go back that night if the whole next episode is this night which we think it's gonna be that's Could it be a, could it be a Tim disappears? Could be. Like he's just, he's just gone.
On his mind. That's part of why I feel like the, the, the prospect of Tim trying to harm himself feels like a next episode.
Maybe he has a gun to fend off people. What if we go into hiding is like episode six, seven, eight.
And there's still time for, for both of those, but if Guy Tuck is trying to get the gun back, does he make his way into that villa and stop him? Or does he make his way into the villa, get caught on camera, and accused of stealing the lorazpam? That's why they want to season one. It is.
Kai. Yeah.
Well, Guy Tuck has the security footage in his back pocket. He does.
So we leave with Guy Tuck freaking out, angry Rick in the airport, Ratliff at dinner just completely broken, Greg Gary looking at Belinda on social, Saxon parting on the boat and screaming, full moon, baby! Great tease for episode five. And we're headed toward an incredible episode five.
I'm excited. I can't wait.
Predictions? Zion. Greg Gary seeing Zion.
So, okay. Here's my question for you guys.
What feels more likely? And does this in any way change for you guys just like now thinking back to the opening of the season, which was, of course, with Zion. And he's very scared in response to the shootout about his mother.
He's nervous about his mom. And at the time, Oh, so she tells, that's a good point.
So she tells him at some point. Or does Greg send people after him? Like, that's what I'm wondering about now.
Because watching the beginning of the first episode, my response is like, of course you would be worried about any of your loved ones if God forbid you found yourself in a situation like that. But it feels more keen and specific.
It feels like he knows that they're in trouble. So, like, is Greg Gary going to use Zion and his existence to manipulate Belinda? Like, I know you have a son.
If you want him to stay safe, keep your mouth shut. Or is he going to try to get to Zion in some way to make Belinda vulnerable through her son and try to control the situation that way.
The fact that this episode established a timeline, not just for his arrival, but his travel. He's like, I'm at the airport.
I'm coming. I don't know.
It just made me wonder. Now he's got his tag on Instagram, clicks through, sees him at the airport, sends one of his fellow con men to go find him.
I wouldn't rule it out. Greg Gary is a criminal.
Can I throw in a bonus? What if the Russians are on his payroll too? They could be. And he did the robbery because he's still trying to make some cash.
I think he is. He's doing very well with that house.
I don't think he needs boutique cash. And the yacht.
Doing very well. The other thing is Zion said in that first episode that his mom knows he had been pretty stressed out.
Just finishing finals and some other stuff.

He has some connection to this, right?

Some awareness of what's happening.

Very worried about Zion.

Not great.

I'm not attached to him yet because we've only seen him in one scene.

He's literally not shown up yet.

It's very little time to like...

How much in danger would Zion have been

if the first time we see him,

he's doing like one of those goofy therapy things, right? I mean... You'd be like, let's hide in the room.
I think it's less about him being in danger and more whether he becomes embroiled in this plot. What feels increasingly likely this season is that a lot of what goes wrong is because people are trying to, like the guy talk situation, trying to impress somebody.
Yeah. Afraid of losing something.

Or, you know, Tim, what will my family think of me?

Zion, potentially I need to protect my mother.

Like, everybody's one degree removed from some sort of direct action.

And is that perhaps actually more combustible as a circumstance?

That's kind of interesting.

We know something crazy happens in episode five.

We don't know what it is.

We all have to make a crazy prediction. Oh, okay.
What stories from the weekend do you want to tell us? You told us all of them? I'll do that after we do the predictions. Okay.
Yeah. Okay.
Let's see. So they're going to be on the party yacht.
Sexual misconduct on the party yacht. Yeah.
Oh. Not like assault, but just sort sort of like some Lockie and Saxon

ending up in an orgy together

yeah

some incest

some actual canonical incest

yeah

that's what it feels like

that seems

totally right

also at the other party

the other full moon party

at the club

Jacqueline

sniping

stealing Laurie's man

yeah

a lot of sex coming

in the next episode

I think

I think the yacht's fine

yeah

that would be

for prediction meter

I'm sorry. Laurie's man.
Valentin, yeah. A lot of sex coming in the next episode, I think.
I think the yacht's fine. Yeah? That would be for prediction meter.
No, I think the yacht's going to be... Haven't you talked about weird stuff happening on a boat every season? No, I think it's going to be off the beaten path, and it's going to be crazy and fun, but I don't think that's where we're getting the crazy thing.
Okay. I think it's the three ladies.
I think it's something with one of the three. It could also be Rick and Bangkok.
Those three Russian guys, something fucked up is happening with that. My guess...
I don't know. I'm just judging it from the first four.
Carrie Coon's been quiet. I agree.
I feel like that... I'm not saying they're shoving her aside but it's like they just kind of have her in the bullpen warming up for like a she's too good of an actress like this isn't a good enough part yet and I feel like something you should get a wild out or also we have people point out to us that like Laurie is like a ball busting lawyer.
So in terms of a fight that might happen in the aftermath, I wouldn't want to fight Lori of the three of them. And I say ball-busting as a compliment.
It could also be an actress thing with Jackie where she does something crazy, but then there's pictures or there's a photographer. But that's not like crazy, crazy.

I mean, full moon, like, you asked me if I know anything about astrology and I don't, but full

moon mythologically is like

lunacy, madness.

Everyone, Midsummer Night's Dream, everyone

just sort of giving over to

their base's impulses.

It would be funny if Joe moved to LA and then just

really got into astrology.

Seems like a good... Do I have a piece of joke about that that it's all on offer for you here in this great city no it's all she talks about she just pitched she just pitched an astrology pod i think you'd be great i think you'd be great a daily micropod play with the format so is it an astrology pod for me and a and a creep detector pod for ron Mahoney? Is that what we're spinning up? And a prosthetic penis pod for me and Mal.
That's exactly right. I think everybody has found their calling.
That's what I'm hearing. A little niche for everyone.
Will we actually spend time with Rick in Bangkok in the next episode? It's a short flight. I think it's a lock.
7 o'clock short flight, so he hits the ground immediately. He goes and finds Jim Hollinger.
But our day sequence is kind of fucked up now. Well, I guess it's not.
I just don't know what day we start. This is what we talked about before.
We don't know that they checked in on Monday. We don't know.
The only thing we know is we haven't had the fights yet. So I feel like we're on a Wednesday and this is a two-part Wednesday and there'll be three days out of Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
I think you're right because Guy Talk, we have the dance that night. That's the other thing.
We're not just at the party yacht and the club. We've got the dance back at the White Lotus that he's attending.
So that's this night. And then he invites Mook on a date the next night.
He's got the plans for the fight the night after. So we're at least two nights before Friday still.
You don't think the date is the fight? I think he's misjudging the situation with Mook if that's their first date. Take Mook to the fights as a flex? His whole thing is like, I want to be the impressive one.
Not look at these hot muscular guys flex their muscles in front of you and sweat on you. One more possibility, like Lockie doing the thing where he just, maybe he tries coke, a sex thing, sex thing gone wrong, sex murder on the yacht.
I think that's got to be that. That's what I'm saying, sexual contract on the yacht.
And then maybe Tim going to Greg Gary's house. Oh, for like, disappear me? Yeah.
Sort of thing? Help me out. But I don't know how crazy that is.
Or tries to kill himself. Yeah, does Chekhov's gun come into play next episode? I think so.
If we're heading toward an episode where people are like i can't believe it hasn't come out yet i'm just honestly all bets are off but also should we not maybe like lower expectations so we don't watch and go like oh that wasn't that big of a deal do you know what i mean i just i want us to protect ourselves and our listeners who are like you promised me the coolest episode of television i'd ever seen every episode episode of White Lotus, I think something astonishing happens because I'm like, how could people behave this way? If you go in with lower expectations and then you're just surprised and delighted, that's great. And if you go in thinking it's going to be the greatest thing ever and it's...
I'm expecting a werewolf orgy under the full moon and anything else will be a disappointment. Okay, I support you.
I'll just give you one tidbit from the weekend. Okay.
Wow, just one. Ran into Patrick Schwarzenegger.
He used to play basketball with me and Jacoby at USC. You forgot that you played basketball with Patrick Schwarzenegger? No, he brought this up to me because I had no idea who he was.
He was going to USC and he played basketball with us many times, apparently. Many times.
We talked pickup basketball. Was he not very good that you don't remember the experience? We played with college kids.
Did you tell Jacoby that? We used to play like, oh, Jacoby was over the moon. Jacoby sent me 900 texts about playing basketball with ER doctors and gave me a whole rundown on what's accurate about the pit and what's not.
I would guess he was probably pretty good, though, because he was half... Schwarzenegger.
Well, half Schwarzenegger, a good. Good athlete.
But also, I don't know. He seems like he's in good shape.
He's tall. He's very tall.
What did he think of your game? Did he provide any feedback? I think he was impressed. Uh-huh.
Yeah. How's your mid-range jumper? What did he say? We didn't go that deep.
Last week, Damon Lindelof complimented your baseball skills. That one I remember.
The USC, I did have some good times. And this week, Schwarzenegger's like...
Sounded like you got some favorable scoring. I also met Leslie Bibb who is tall and beautiful.
Uh-huh. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, the next time I see the two of you, wow.
Wow. Something major will have happened.
Can't wait. I feel like we're getting sex in this next episode and probably a death.
Early death ahead of the shootout would be... Sex death parlay on Fandle, I'm in.
Plus 200. I bet the sex death parlay.
Maybe not same character. A little Simmons special here.
Plus we get to go to Bangkok where I've never really been other than a couple movies. Can't wait.
Bangkok Dangerous. Thrilled.
I love it. All right.
That's it. We'll see you next time.

Oh, and you have the Deep Dive Pod with Mahoney.

Yeah.

Coming.

What are you doing?

Wednesdays?

Yep.

All right.

Wednesdays.

You have touched our heart.

Yeah.

Great to see you as always.

Thanks to the crew as well.