‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 3: The Unraveling of Tim Ratliff

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Speaker 1 Yeah, eventually we'll get the zombies back. Yeah, right? The zombie zombies.

Speaker 1 What happens in Last of Us? Is it zombies? Yeah, mushroom zombies. Right.
We're going to talk about white lotus now. It's coming up next.

Speaker 1 Tsunamis, snakes, and fire. Episode three is going for it.
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Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 shit's going down. Episode three.
We knew

Speaker 1 we're heading toward something. What are we heading to? Oh, I don't know.
Disaster? Chaos. Who are you more worried for? Chelsea, who's already been to the hospital, or

Speaker 1 our guy Tim Rattliffe, who's hitting the Lorazepam hard? I've never been concerned for this many people in a white lotus cast at the same time.

Speaker 1 I am. Is the show now self-aware that we're going to become attached and concerned for the characters? and now that's why six are in play?

Speaker 1 You know, I think that it is engaging with the theorizing around the opening mystery very actively this season.

Speaker 1 And I think it, you know, I was wondering if it felt like more pronounced this season, but then if you if you think back like last year or last season, everything with Tanya and the madam butterfly foreshadowing, it's not like the prior seasons weren't doing that, but it does feel like the let's make sure, you know, the the classic great storytelling technique of making sure every outcome is viable.

Speaker 1 And the one that ultimately ends up happening will be supported in full by the story to that point, but you could believe any number of outcomes.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like they're doing a great job with that so far. Chelsea nearly dying twice in two consecutive episodes makes me actually less worried.
I know what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 Does that make you less worried about that? And the character mentioning it. Yeah.
Another character mentioning, well, you've had two light, near-death experiences. Or do you feel like Chelsea's safe?

Speaker 1 Or are you going to double fake yourself out and be like, or

Speaker 1 is he counting on us thinking that that is mike white white

Speaker 1 what chelsea said to rick at the end you're not going to get rid of me that easy if you kill me i'll follow you into the next life and the next so the stevie nicks silver springs

Speaker 1 i'm probably if do you want to do our i i wasn't going to start the pod this way might as well our most worried about character power rankings sure gay talk's number one for me i just feel like he's he's going to be dead unless not a spoiler alert because everyone's seen episode three unless he's involved in the robbery oh and they're doing a nice little end around.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's involved in the robbery. I feel, and we've been talking about this since week one.
No, but I do think he is going to play a

Speaker 1 tragic and crucial role in the shootout. And what feels most likely to me now after the third episode, where I still adore him, but he got one

Speaker 1 taste,

Speaker 1 one crumb, a crumb of hope. Shout out the Landman finale title, a crumb of hope.

Speaker 1 Have you watched the Landman finale yet? No.

Speaker 1 No. He got a

Speaker 1 little taste. A little taste of praise, right?

Speaker 1 And I say this with love for Guy Talk

Speaker 1 fucking up his job. Like, they got in, they committed the robbery, and he got hit in the head, and then they escaped.
And he was told he was brave.

Speaker 1 He was doted on and checked on by the person he loves. And now he's like, I'm tough.
I can do this. I know that the bodyguards, the Hollinger bodyguards, have this appeal.

Speaker 1 Like, let me go offer to be a bodyguard. And

Speaker 1 I think there's a pairing of Guy Talk Theory Corner and Monkey Theory Corner. You have won me over in full.
Oh, wow. Here's what I'm worried about now.

Speaker 1 The guest, because we have that Belinda, like spooky sounds in the villa scene. Somebody hears something.

Speaker 1 It sets off a reaction from a panicked guest.

Speaker 1 And then our guy, Guy Talk, trained at that point to defend the hotel because there are only shoppers. They have bodyguards as a wuss.
He's got to prove his being hit a little little bit.

Speaker 1 Turkey trying to be a rooster, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Starts firing and then just a sequence of events unfolds. Like where are all the other? Accidental chaos.
So like, that's, where are all the guns coming from, though? That's the question.

Speaker 1 So are we all, are you comfortable with us talking about none of us have watched ahead? We'll issue our caveat every time. Trailers, though.
You know what's funny? People don't believe that.

Speaker 1 We're not watching ahead.

Speaker 1 People in my life who. know me and allegedly either like me or love me are like no you're watching ahead come on because they think you're undisciplined

Speaker 1 you're not watching ahead because

Speaker 1 you're like as soon as we're done i'm gonna watch episode four

Speaker 1 episode yeah but in the trailer so you're comfortable with us talking about trailers trailers i don't even know you guys you guys study the trailer i did not study the trailer at all i feel like that's cheating why i didn't study it frame by frame i just every trailer that they've released the preseason trailers and the the rest of the season on guy talk is training with a gun in all of the trailers

Speaker 1 so he's getting a gun at some point though there are lots of other guns in the trailer. You're saying

Speaker 1 he gets spooked.

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 1 gets spooked. Has something to prove.
He's going to offend you. Is trigger happy, has something to prove, and you think the inciting incident is a monkey.

Speaker 1 Or a snake? They're everywhere. Okay.

Speaker 1 Snakes fire, monkeys, tsunamis, tsunami videos. A toilet snake? Watch this guy just stand here on the beach as the tsunami overtakes him.

Speaker 1 And don't you think that Tim was like, that looks pretty nice right now? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would sign up for that right now.

Speaker 1 That was a gorgeous opening to the episode. Oh, the dream.
A very trippy, druggy, delusional, dreamy episode. I loved it.
I think that's the season. I agree.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I agree because, and I know you, do you want to talk about the interview you had on the pod? Yeah, by the time people hear this, I think that will have already run, but Dave Bernad with the EP of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He said this whole.

Speaker 1 Season came out of like this fever dream Mike White had. In the hospital.
In the hospital. When they were location scouting.
Location scouting and gets so fucked up.

Speaker 1 He's like in this, they gave him some steroid that was too strong. And he went into some haze for two days.
So this is a drug season. Came out of the haze and was like, I have season three.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When I get sick. It's literally season three.
I can barely lean over to get a tissue. And Mike White comes up with season three of White Life.
Okay, so like.

Speaker 1 When you say when you get sick, you mean once a month when I get sick?

Speaker 1 I try to avoid that by not being around my colleagues when they're ill. You do get sick a lot.
The rat lifts. I'm susceptible to germs.
Two out of five of the rat lifts are on Lorazepam right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
I love the little like pill holster, the little piece of luggage just for the pills.

Speaker 1 Rick claims that

Speaker 1 his drugs were laced. The weed that he got from like weed land or whatever.
It's cannabis land,

Speaker 1 whatever it's called. I don't believe that.
Do you think

Speaker 1 the blondes, the ladies, are they going to have a drug experience? I sure are. The fancies? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love fancies. I sure think

Speaker 1 they're gonna drink a lot. Are they gonna have a drug experience? At some point, everybody's gonna have a lace something.
I don't know. Lace or otherwise are chosen.

Speaker 1 Here's what we know for episode four. We're going on a boat and I can't wait.
I'm thrilled. We're going on a boat.
Greg Gary's hosting. Saxon's gonna be there.

Speaker 1 Saxon's gonna be there with no shirt on, just doing Saxon. Saxon's gonna be there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chloe. Yes.
So saw some glances. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 A lot of eyes. Hey, going backwards, big takeaways from from episode three before we got to rip through it.

Speaker 1 Tsunami, snakes, and fire.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Ratliff's about to be.

Speaker 1 Disaster.

Speaker 1 He's basically like, I'm going to enjoy these next five days, my drugged, whatever stupor. Enjoy.
The end of the vacation will happen. They'll hand me my phone back and I'm going to jail.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then I don't want to know anymore.

Speaker 1 I'm going to drop my phone.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't. That is not a man who is prepared to face the forget, like chipping away the shattering of his legacy and his standing.

Speaker 1 And when he was telling Saxon, we got to, you know, just kind of trying to distract his family, right, with the whole phone gambit, like we got to like nurture these things in ourselves so that we have something else to give.

Speaker 1 He is confronting the fact that that is not, he doesn't feel that that is the case about his life. He is not prepared to go to jail.

Speaker 1 Rob and I got an email.

Speaker 1 Someone was pointing out to us that the, the, the poisonous tree that's in their villa, the pong pong tree,

Speaker 1 is known as the suicide tree i feel like the pills in this episode were a gateway to that for tim the fact and so they plant the toxic fruit in episode one yes the pills are now heading toward the top yeah okay because the second pill he took he didn't he didn't tell victoria he took it she's like do you want another one he's like no i don't you know i don't do it but he had just gone and taken it yeah yeah so he's already secretly consuming he's trying to avoid having to confront the

Speaker 1 could you eat the toxic fruit but not die pam did not think so she said very very poisonous you could die, but she didn't say you will die.

Speaker 1 So it could be like the suicide where he doesn't actually die. He eats the fruit thinking it's going to kill him.
So the hospital's only 15 minutes away.

Speaker 1 We know this thanks to Chelsea, hero that she is.

Speaker 1 The other one I was thinking was he makes a toxic fruit smoothie, but then gets distracted and then Locky drinks it because he thinks it's a power shift.

Speaker 1 Chug it down, Locky. Don't you want to be one of the big dogs? It sounds like it could sound like that.

Speaker 1 That feels something with Lachlan in the smoothie seems like that feels being forced on him.

Speaker 1 I had Locky number two in my power rankings. That's another one.

Speaker 1 Well, that's another one that people have been pointing out. You know, like in the opening credits, there are all these like postures with the various animals.

Speaker 1 My favorite one is Parker Posey's, where it's just like two monkeys

Speaker 1 getting high.

Speaker 1 But Locky's

Speaker 1 is Sam Navola's is just like a guy floating in the water. Now, that could be Locky in the deprivation tank.

Speaker 1 Or it could be Chill Water Hammock where he asked a sister who shared

Speaker 1 his dead body.

Speaker 1 boy that would be that would be

Speaker 1 that would be really sad yeah so those two i would have as top two i mean rick has to be on there just because we know rick's going to commit some violence and then come back to on him i feel like it's well i don't know white lotus is not operant on nor normal moral behaviors but it feels like the kind of story where rick has a choice to make give up vengeance embrace chelsea's affection, choose a path of like life,

Speaker 1 or choose vengeance, and that will lead in death and destruction. That's the usual setup, but White Lotus tends to zig and zag.
I'm glad you're

Speaker 1 hitting the vengeance note because he's a couple gravely voice register shifts away from just being Robert Pattinson's Batman in this episode, like talking about his pursuit of the music.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. No, because Robert Pattinson's Batman was never as charming as Rick is when he sits down.
Who is he actually doing? He's Sawyer. I mean, they're just doing

Speaker 1 exactly the way we were going to do it. Down to the dear Mr.
Sawyer. You guys are literally Goggins after the first episode, and now he's full Goggins.
I'm thrilled. It was great.
I'm thrilled at all.

Speaker 1 Great, great Goggins. Christer Goggins was wonderful.
I think he's moved into the Emmy leaderboard rankings. I think he's number one.
No, it's right there. It's a crowded field.
Everyone is amazing.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Jason Isaacs.
He's been really good. He's been really good.
He's been really good. Really, really good.
They're all great. Tim is the one who's like the most

Speaker 1 being squeezed going through it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we have Belinda's now in danger. That's a big takeaway.
We're going to go through all these when we break down the episode. We're going to talk about this Belinda episode.

Speaker 1 About Craig Gary or porn chai. Craig Gary.
Pornchai. You're going to have porn chai.

Speaker 1 We're going to have good dreams of her. Is that a Thai saying?

Speaker 1 Fantastic. It felt like something was going to happen there.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I was nervous.
Oh. Oh, I was thrilled and eager.
I was like, are we.

Speaker 1 No, I'm shipping it. Is this going to be our first sex scene, Belinda and this guy?

Speaker 1 Well, we got Chelsea and Rick at the end of last episode that did not leave the impression on you that it left it was a sex

Speaker 1 a suckle it was more than a lick it was a full suckle it was a pg it's a pg 13 maybe pg 13. that's not what we do on white lotus we go hard on white lotus

Speaker 1 tipsy tipsy tipsy as he walks away relatable content

Speaker 1 the not just the like moment at the doorstep with the two of them but it was very brief in one of the montages the i don't know what the treatment is called oh cradle the baby cradling her in the water.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have never felt that. You're signing up for that.

Speaker 1 Is that your number one spa treatment now? Well, very little. I still want the very, oh, yeah, that's very little about the wellness life.

Speaker 1 I don't want to know, but that seems great. Hover hands.
Hover hands is not for me. Energy moving is not for me.

Speaker 1 Valentine. Valentine.
One of the many things that you and Kate have in common? Yeah. It's just you don't believe in energy healing.
Well, one of the many things? One of the many things.

Speaker 1 Let's back off.

Speaker 1 Let's back off putting me in the same bucket as Kate. I can't even know what to do during the energy massage.

Speaker 1 You can't even open your eyes. Yeah, close your eyes.

Speaker 1 What if you didn't feel it right away? Is it just you just get your money back? No. Like, you have to buy in if you're the one.
It's like an emperor's G.

Speaker 1 Like an Emperor's Clothes situation where you just sort of like. You said to go with it? Yeah.
Well, we got to see what it was like when you're not vibing with the session. Locky sitting there.

Speaker 1 People, please, sir. Forget Kate.
People, please, sir. Locky's like hunched position is like

Speaker 1 very identifiable to me. I love that.
Chloe and Saxon, it's on. That was another big takeaway.
Okay.

Speaker 1 we're okay they have him with some they're having there's some eye fucking going on or there's he's definitely banging her or is he or is she gonna like fleece him for some money

Speaker 1 so she eyeing him as a mark or is someone to have sex with or both i had that thought and that's my question too but i do wonder if that's too similar to the lucia

Speaker 1 albie i think it's a quiet season my last year with greg gary has sucked

Speaker 1 time to find this guy's going to be here for a week

Speaker 1 a new new meal ticket yeah this guy's in shape. I hear you're going to be a fun two days.
I could see her like charging Saxon for sex and it being such an ego wound for him.

Speaker 1 The idea that not everybody would want to see. Yeah, it would be a little.

Speaker 1 We'll get into that and then we'll get into that. Wait, are you hoping for then, like, is it boat sex? Is it

Speaker 1 sneak away in the cabin? Sneak away in the boat section. Like the little guest cabin in the bathroom.
I think Greg Gary knew right away. He's watching him.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That makes me nervous for Saxon.

Speaker 1 Oh, very nice. You're throwing Saxon in the power rankings.
The fact that Greg slash Gary, a known. Do you think he's going to kill Belinda and Saxon? I hope Bindle is okay.

Speaker 1 I just think everybody's going to be kidding.

Speaker 1 Everybody feels like they're in peril right now. The book.
Who's not in peril?

Speaker 1 Basically, just the daughter. She's the only one I feel good about.
I think Jaclyn Lemon's going to be fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Lori's going to be fine. Oh, Laurie.
I love her. I think Kate is going to be fine.

Speaker 1 Kate. Well, we have

Speaker 1 Rick killing somebody in Bangkok is happening. Or

Speaker 1 on his way to Bangkok to do something.

Speaker 1 Those are big sequences. But he's got.
Okay, so we know

Speaker 1 that.

Speaker 1 Did you guys talk about this on the pod? That there's like an actor that hasn't been announced yet? We did not talk about that on the pod. That's just on the water.

Speaker 1 There's an actor that hasn't been announced on White Lotus, and we know that Rick called his friend. Right.
Not surprising because they've done this. Yeah.
They did season two, didn't they?

Speaker 1 In season one, I don't remember them doing that. He calls his friend Frank.
Yeah, he calls his friend Frank. Yeah.
Frank. Frank.

Speaker 1 Or any of the number of people that Tim Ratliff has talked to on the phone. Chuck.

Speaker 1 Terry.

Speaker 1 The woman on the phone with him, I'm unwilling to identify this with any certainty. He sounded a little like Merit Weaver to me, but that might be just because I've been watching too much severance.

Speaker 1 Joanna's voice recognition technology. It's incredible.
That one I'm not.

Speaker 1 That one I'm not very certain on. And we don't have any closing credits to tell us one way or another.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're convinced every time there's somebody on the phone, it's a famous actor or actress. Not every time.

Speaker 1 But I think sometimes it is. Seems at least worth considering.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll take a break. Then we're going to rip through the episode.
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Speaker 1 We open with a Parker Posey dream sequence. Sensational.

Speaker 1 This is what it looks like before a tsunami.

Speaker 1 I'm missing the duvet wrapped around you as you sit on the beach. And then Locky's there with

Speaker 1 two,

Speaker 1 you know, like members of the hotel.

Speaker 1 Two staff people. Yeah.
Then she wakes up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and here's Parker. Her husband's on the balcony having urgent.

Speaker 1 I just don't think she's curious enough as a spouse. I don't care how many secrets you're burying in a marriage.

Speaker 1 You're going to notice when it hits this kind of tipping point where there's something clearly horrible happening. She does notice, like, the fact that she has afraid to nudge.

Speaker 1 Her dream is clearly triggered not only by Lockheed showing her these videos, but also by this budding anxiety that something is wrong.

Speaker 1 And then at the end, she does say to him, Tim, is something going on? And then immediately gives up and turns the lights on. But it's not even a problem.

Speaker 1 Something's clearly going on. I'm just going to say, as a blanket policy, no tsunami videos before bed.
Just like blanket. I think that's a great.
You don't even have to be entirely.

Speaker 1 no tsunami videos before bed rule um we've had a lot of pushback on our um accent critique of Jason Isaac specifically I'm loving it as you know um

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Mike White said that he based the rat lifts on

Speaker 1 Bravo Southern Charm and We got a bunch of emails of people sending specifically Tom Ravenall from Southern Charm. I've never seen a second of Southern Charm.
Me neither.

Speaker 1 But it is pretty on the nose. And this guy was a disgraced politician and Charleston Playboy, Tom Ravenall.
So apparently it's a certain

Speaker 1 Dave was telling me about it today when I did the thing with him. It's a certain southern draw.
Yeah. But there's like a weird British piece to it.
Right.

Speaker 1 And that's what Isaac said, too, that there were like some vowels that sound British.

Speaker 1 I will say I still stand by immediately being a bit British last week, but I think either my ear is getting used to it or I am convinced by all of the millions of emails we got about it.

Speaker 1 It's a big passion point for the cast, I think, that they actually spent an incredible amount of time figuring this out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I don't think it's as simple as if it was a Boston or a Rhode Island accent, where I would just be like, that's not right. You did it incredibly.

Speaker 1 I find it very compelling to listen to him talk. Very compelling indeed.
So on Tsunami Corner. Yeah.
Well, they're certainly, they played the card this episode, that's for sure. But it, so, okay.

Speaker 1 And by the way, they said it was at the next resort over. That's right.
Yeah. The fact that the structure of the season opens in the future

Speaker 1 and then we go back one week to watch the season, I think, eliminates the prospect of an actual suit. However, because everyone's just living life, however, it's an emotional suit.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 However, it's eight episodes. Right.
And we think we're only doing a week. Yeah.
So is that last episode

Speaker 1 after whatever happens? Or just ends with a tsunami? Everyone just gets wiped out. And then everyone else is going to get it.
Except Naomi Watts, who maybe just told Auto Piece.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Well, at the family breakfast, we get stuff like... Dude, these breakfasts look great.
The fruit. I have never seen it

Speaker 1 in the ballers. I love a melon, though.
I just, this is why Mallory and I can't be on White Lotus. Because

Speaker 1 in this breakfast, we're getting stuff like dreams might not predict the future, but they're a window into something. Yeah.
We all dream about fire sex.

Speaker 1 Mallory and I would just be like, ah, where's the half and a half? I really need coffee. We just want to be coherent for like a half hour until the coffee kicks in.
These people are just having full

Speaker 1 philosophical conversations. Rick is ready to run a con before his first day.
Or do you think of Rick sniffing a muffin phrasing right before he went over to talk to them?

Speaker 1 My favorite thing that happens at breakfast actually is

Speaker 1 Kate is talking to Lori's like kind of background. Kate's like, do you think I could do something like this at home? And Lori's nothing but time.
You got nothing but time. Nothing but time.

Speaker 1 You don't have a job. Oh my God.
What do you have to do? You got nothing but time. Probably the best backhand of compliment in the series so far.
I think so. Wild.
So Laurie's a sniper. Wild.

Speaker 1 We have the dad's unraveling, can't stop looking at his phone. We find out the FBI is in his office with a warrant.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Time to shred. I wrote down,

Speaker 1 this is a pretty great

Speaker 1 My Life is

Speaker 1 Falling Apart in Slow Motion. It's fantastic.
Sequence for a TV show that I can't remember who else did anything like this.

Speaker 1 I think, I mean, I think we've seen similar things on some of the big prestige anti-hero shows, but it's never what is delicious about this is he's overseas and there's nothing he can do about it.

Speaker 1 He's helped, he's in a different time zone overseas. So it's not like he can go into the office or have like a cokey car chase, the helicopters are coming, like Goodfellas moment, right?

Speaker 1 He has to like, he's trying to pretend to his family that everything's fine. And if he goes back to handle it, then he has to fess up that it's happening.
It's the blessing and the curse.

Speaker 1 He's complaining about the time zone, how hard it is to get in touch with people, but it does allow him to delay the inevitable now for just a few more days and pretend that his life is not over,

Speaker 1 which it is, in terms of the nature of the life that he is used to living. The kind of life that they are accustomed to, that's done, right? He is a financial criminal.

Speaker 1 But think about him in the first episode where he's like this aggro, like just

Speaker 1 I've seen this guy on a TV show. Yeah.
By the end of the third episode, he's a sleeping pill charger.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to say, has anyone ever come in? Has anyone ever come back from that? You don't come back from that shower camp. Sean of the shower.

Speaker 1 That's what I think.

Speaker 1 Who's survived the shower cam? I don't think he's done. Nobody.

Speaker 1 That's why Isaac is like front leaderboard for Emmys for me, because it's the difference. Well, now that you've apologized about your feelings on his accent.
I don't know that I apologize.

Speaker 1 She acknowledged that there's a different opinion out there.

Speaker 1 I did not apologize. I have learned something.

Speaker 1 So you go Isaac Emmy Corner number one right now over Goggins? yes right now so far i feel like goggins will win the season at the end i think goggins is but i i think

Speaker 1 goggles has shown more stuff already in three episodes he he's done i don't know i think between the shout like like

Speaker 1 surveying his domain in episode one and showershot in episode three isaacs has like gone really far goggins also like Grifter Goggins showing up here versus what about snake goggins

Speaker 1 goggles

Speaker 1 absolutely so

Speaker 1 i thought the single best acting moment to your point, that we have seen through three episodes so far was the look on Jason Isaac's face when he pulled Saxon out to have the Kamir son talk.

Speaker 1 I want to circle back at some point to the actual genuine and I thought really sincerely alarming rage we saw from Saxon when he was yelling about how Piper.

Speaker 1 Maybe we don't need to circle back to it. That's just like, let's note that.
That was actually scary. Like Piper always gets her way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the level of like real anger that he was capable of generating very quickly there. But that look on Jason Isaac's face, on Tim's face when Saxon said, like,

Speaker 1 I, I love working with you.

Speaker 1 I get to learn so much from you. The, the, the shat, that fleeting, shattered expression that

Speaker 1 he had failed his family so deeply.

Speaker 1 And the, like, they put him on a pedestal, perhaps wrongly, but to have to confront the fact that that's over, that that is about to be over, that the way his family sees him is going to change.

Speaker 1 Do you think there's the potential for any kind of like actual growth from Tim?

Speaker 1 Because what he says to Saxon in that moment, right, is he says, we both know how gratifying work is, but there's got to be more to life than just success.

Speaker 1 If we leave room for them to develop, then we'll have more to offer, which is not something Tim Ratliff of episode one would ever have said.

Speaker 1 When they were talking to Pam about like him, the father-son working together, he's like, yeah, we love working together. It's great.

Speaker 1 And so like him saying, it can't all be work, knowing that everything's going to fall apart for them back home. That's like a forced

Speaker 1 spiritual development inside of Tim Ratliff. My fear is that even if he goes on that emotional journey, his family will not meet him there.
That Victoria will say, That is not what I want.

Speaker 1 Signed up for from you. Yeah.
So I interpreted it completely different than you.

Speaker 1 The Tim Ratliff and the son. I think the whole thing, it's like, this is the classic, yeah, you're going to take over the business, but the son really has nothing to do.

Speaker 1 He said multiple times. Yeah, I don't have a lot going on.
Like, I don't like,

Speaker 1 but the office needs me, and and it made him feel important. Oh, yeah.
I think I'm so impressed by you. You're going to have a phenomenal career.
Is not. That also means that.

Speaker 1 He says, you're going to have a phenomenal career. I can see it.
It's like

Speaker 1 there's literally no evidence other than that your son's a jackass. But if all of this father-son stuff feels really fake and like, I have this company, my son, whatever.
I'm going to shoehorn him in.

Speaker 1 And it's funny because he's nipple baby. The meta-commentary is delicious.

Speaker 1 But Patrick Schwarzenegger, who we talked about, and that kind of became a little bit of a story this week with the Nippo baby thing.

Speaker 1 I just think he's really good.

Speaker 1 Honestly, he's great. Both he and Simnivola, who are both nipple babies, are really, really good.

Speaker 1 And as we talked about in a previous episode, like he's half Arnold, who's like a performer and a charismatic guy. It makes sense to me he'd be a good one.
He's also partially a Kennedy.

Speaker 1 So that's something to remember. True.
I think on that front and that, like, what I see for you in your future, obviously part of it is he's trying to distract everybody. Right.
Yes.

Speaker 1 There's a tactic at play there, but like everything that's great in any white Lotus season, there's more than one thing happening in tandem.

Speaker 1 And like it felt to me very keenly there that he was confronting the fact that he had failed his family, not just in terms of what he had done, but in preparing them for a different kind of life.

Speaker 1 But that's what I think. Because it actually did allow you to think that it was okay to be entitled and just sit there and like not be prepared to build your own for her.
Your own reality.

Speaker 1 His son has no insight in the business was the thing that became clear. He lost to work.
But he lost to work.

Speaker 1 Like if we were all hanging out doing like a ringer retreat and the whole day I was just on my phone freaking out and you were like can i help can i help and i was just like yeah like there there's some sort of power move with that that it's like you you i don't even want to discuss what's going on here with the but that's

Speaker 1 that's why the sunny's got some fake office on the side and he's not doing anything i really agree can i ask you a question about the naming Do you think, so Lachlan like is such a rare name that I immediately thought of Lachlan Murdoch, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, Saxon is the name of one of Elon Musk's kids.

Speaker 1 See, I think all this shit's intentional. And I was trying to find a famous Piper.
Piper Palin is the best I could do.

Speaker 1 But I couldn't.

Speaker 1 I just think Piper Ratliff sounds like the perfect rich kid name. Oh, the whole family is impeccably named.
All the kids. Although we did call him Saxon with a T for half of one episode.

Speaker 1 I think Joanna started it, and I took it randomly.

Speaker 1 I won't. We accept Lan.

Speaker 1 Well, we also have Lockheed Shows the Dad a Tsunami video, and Saxon got a blender. That was our big things with the Red Life.

Speaker 1 Incredible pants. Nobody's been more excited to get a blender.
He's fucking jacked. Incredible.
Pam is ready to help him blend. She's got to make the

Speaker 1 delivering the blender. She's like, what milk do we want? Yeah.
How much of this? They have all the team powder are you going to put in there? Okay.

Speaker 1 I think Pam is in the running for most underrated performance of the season. I love Pam.
Incredible. She's perfect at the

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Since the beginning, how wonderful for you? How wonderful for you. When she looks in the bag,

Speaker 1 this isn't even that much.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Carrot. Saxon quenches when she has the dirt out of him.
Like, are you going to put your phone in there? That was great. You know? So I had some nitpicks with that.
Okay. What do you got?

Speaker 1 People to turn off their phones. First thing you're doing is turning off the phone.
Oh, yeah. I think

Speaker 1 not just so it's turned off, but also like for the battery. Power battery.
Yeah. Tim powered Saxons down, right? Taxon was in like a 2012 Samsung.
He's.

Speaker 1 I don't know what phone that was, but it not only was not an iPhone, but it wasn't. I don't know what that was.
Should we be worried about the iPhone rule then? I was, I was, yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the iPhone rule? According to Ryan Johnson, Apple told him

Speaker 1 you can't let a bad guy use an iPhone.

Speaker 1 So, and that has, that has crept up in shows before where

Speaker 1 does he get his hand on a gun somehow? Does he try to do something desperate? The feds come shoot out with the dad? Or he just can't stand

Speaker 1 any of them having to face the reality of what has happened here.

Speaker 1 Dark,

Speaker 1 very dark, exceedingly grim. Yeah.
I just want to say there's no scenario where I give up my phone for five days. No, I mean, of course.
Literally none. Well, okay, but that's.

Speaker 1 There's no vacation scenario that exists where I would be like, yep, no phone, five days. But do you think he, I don't believe he has given up his phone for five days.

Speaker 1 So then my question is, when he goes to find it, what else does he stumble upon? Like, I feel like he's going to break into some office and try to get that phone back. Oh, Cam.

Speaker 1 I know. And then what else is he going to stumble upon? Oh, Mao, I like this.
So he breaks in, but then there's something else in there.

Speaker 1 Maybe Guy Talk shoots him because he thinks it's another hotel robbery? Oh. Oh, my gosh.
I'm just really worried about it.

Speaker 1 Guy Talk or Gay Talk? Was I saying that wrong? I think it's Guy Talk. I think it's Guy Talk.
We were all saying it wrong. All of us were saying it wrong.
I mean, Guy Talk. And it's Sitala.
Sitala.

Speaker 1 Sitala. Sitala.
Sita or the matron. Sitala.
Well, we had Goggins, the matron. Oh, my God.
This was remarkable. And my guy, Fabian, who is maybe my new favorite.

Speaker 1 Actually heartbreaking. I have a guy in Bangkok.
You're going to be in Bangkok?

Speaker 1 Would you love a meeting? I didn't even think that this was a particularly good con from Rick. He's like making faces of dismay as he is luring her into his trap.

Speaker 1 But the fact that Fabian is at the table, first of all, we get that very emotional, quick little moment where he's like opening up, right? Before Rick interrupts and he's like,

Speaker 1 the arts were not encouraged to rush in my home.

Speaker 1 And then he's interrupted and thwarted. But he does not like Rick.
No. When they came to the road in the first episode, Rick was like, fuck all of you.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to engage in your little welcome ritual. So the fact that he's there witnessing that felt very purposeful.
Fabio and he's there on his and very protective of Sitala and like different.

Speaker 1 But like the finding out that he has been mispronouncing her name, as I'm sure I am in my own way, but he was just like, I'm sorry, it's what? I know.

Speaker 1 I'm going to keep calling her the matron. That's fine, but like, Fabi, our guy, Fabi.
I feel like I'm in the right group for this question. So Aries and a Scorpio.

Speaker 1 Did either of you have thoughts on this? I obviously loved the conversation between Chelsea and Rip there, which was iconic. How big of a horoscope person are you? When I tell you, I've never

Speaker 1 consumed one or thought about once in my life. I feel like Joey's still in the sky.
I would never know, but I know. I'm going to be stealth in a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 I would not be able to weigh in on this.

Speaker 1 I'm always jealous of the horoscope people. I feel like they do have this extra.
I know my sign and what that means about me. What's your sign?

Speaker 1 I'm Libra, which which I'm like a classic Libra, apparently. I'm a Virgo.
What does that, what does that do? Couldn't tell you. Okay.
I literally have no idea.

Speaker 1 Virgo? Absolutely no idea. Very susceptible to germs.
Yeah, probably. I'll ask Chelsea what she's doing.
A lot of post-mates orders. What's a classic Libra, according to you?

Speaker 1 Creative and passionate. That's us.
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How wonderful for you.
How wonderful for you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the thing about the thing about these hearts, like I missed being whatever the next one was by like a day. Oh,

Speaker 1 it was like one of those. Or maybe like I was a day into, it could have been like one day earlier all of a sudden I'm like a different sign.

Speaker 1 Those are a week apart. We're different signs.
Look at that. I was also year of the cock

Speaker 1 in the Chinese food menu.

Speaker 1 I'm feeling for you. I'm year of the cock in the Chinese menu.
There you go. That's Bill.
You're the cock, Libra. I was cosmically meant to podcast of you.

Speaker 1 So unlike Chelsea and Rick, you are a podcast. You're cosmically meant to be because your signs are compatible.

Speaker 1 The fancies fancies

Speaker 1 get offered time of the energy healer, which they steer toward

Speaker 1 our girl Carrie Coon. Jacqueline is pushing Lori.
Yes. So what's her game plan? She just wants Lori to get laid or what, like, I don't understand.
Why is she pushing this so hard?

Speaker 1 I thought this was a fascinating, obviously in general, fascinating episode for the Cougars, but a particularly fascinating

Speaker 1 Jacqueline Laurie episode, where I felt more what struck me as authentic affection between the two of them in this episode than between any other pairing in the triangle at any point, but loaded and charged as always with all of the undercurrents of something less savory.

Speaker 1 And the fact that do you think that connection is because in terms of this trust triangle, when it gets to like what unites us, what divides us? Kate dropping the like, I voted for

Speaker 1 genuinely united in something that feels like rooted in identity. And like Kate is on the outside of that.

Speaker 1 But even like when they looked at each other, when they were doing yoga, there was like the giggle. That just felt like friendship to me in a real true way.
But I agree.

Speaker 1 Jacqueline egging Laurie on here couldn't help the like, but you're the single one. It's not like just go for it and get late and have an orgasm and have a great weekend.

Speaker 1 It's like I have to remind you that you're the only one who's like not in a relationship.

Speaker 1 Right now, I can get him for you. Yes.
Like I'm doing the flirting. I will facilitate this to make sure that you're in a committed relationship, but it's still my allure that's getting you

Speaker 1 closer to this guy.

Speaker 1 Speaking of allure, I would like to just spend a couple moments on Valentin's thigh tattoo, which I thought was extraordinary. Okay.

Speaker 1 And I was. Are you going to get a thigh tattoo? Deeply compelled.
Not since recent in the

Speaker 1 court of Thorns and Roses. Who knew when you were going to bring that up on

Speaker 1 above me tattoos been quite so compelling? Really so. Wow.
Would you get a little

Speaker 1 stuck by that tattoo? I would not personally, but I did.

Speaker 1 I loved the way they all looked at it and looked at each other. And you could just like feel the, you didn't need an energy healer to feel the energy in that moment.
My goodness.

Speaker 1 Did you know that there's like a huge Russian population in Thailand? No. Yeah.
They've like, so they're going to add that to my con list.

Speaker 1 When they're talking, when they're talking to Valentin, they're like, oh, you came here before the war. And he was like, yeah, but like when the Russia-Ukraine war broke out,

Speaker 1 Russia was a persona non grata. Like the Russian citizens could not fly to so many countries.
And Thailand was like, come here. And so it was a massive influx of Russians in Thailand.

Speaker 1 More plots. Yeah.
Yeah. And schemes.
So we're calling it Guy Talk now? Guy Talk.

Speaker 1 Okay. And Mook.

Speaker 1 Mook. FanDuel Parlay, where they'll do this with sports bets where they'll be like, you can have Saquon Barkley and somebody else to score a touchdown.
And if one of them scores, you win the bet.

Speaker 1 I would do that with Guy Talk and Mook. Like, I'd have

Speaker 1 at least one guy's

Speaker 1 lovers? This is not the Mike White universe.

Speaker 1 Here's a follow-up question. This is Rob Mahoney's take on Guy Talk.
He thinks he's like

Speaker 1 a creep.

Speaker 1 I don't get that vibe off of him, but like,

Speaker 1 Rob's on. Rob's got good radar for this stuff.
I don't know. That might be a good thing.
Rob has good creep radar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tough one there for Rob. I got nothing but time.
No, that's a compliment. I was compelled by that argument.

Speaker 1 That is true. Yeah.
Like, that was not how it struck me. I have found them through three episodes, like, incredibly sweet and winning as a potential couple.

Speaker 1 Um, and I am filled with trepidation and fear, but hope they will be okay and live a long, happy life together. Seems unlikely, but hopefully.

Speaker 1 But when Rob said that, I it was in my mind watching in this episode, like she shows up and he runs out and he wants to tell her that someone called him brave. And like, look how big and strong I am.

Speaker 1 Would you go? Would you leave the island if you came with me? It was,

Speaker 1 I didn't change my read on it, but I see why Rob is clocking. Yeah, he's not pinging my creep radar, but like

Speaker 1 you've been saying this from the front, that you proven first, that you were worried that he was going to try to show off. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I just want to say creep radar would be an incredible podcast.
Creep radar with Rob Mahoney? Just creep radar once a week. It's like, all right, creep radar.
Let's get that going, right?

Speaker 1 Let's go. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's dive into Patrick Schwarzenegger. I'm voting no.
Can I just say

Speaker 1 it's an incredible time for creep radar? Oh, my God. Creep radar.

Speaker 1 It's creeps everywhere. Yeah.
Fodder appointing. Post-COVID creep Apex.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, now you have to explain what Apex Mountain is again.
Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 Locky and Saxon by the pool. Oh, man.
Makes them drink the energy drink. Says, don't you want the big dogs to respect you? You want to be neurotic your whole life and end up a virgin?

Speaker 1 Oh, is this where I get to talk about it? Go ahead. Okay.
Where are you, Anna?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Prince Yadi, the best. Legend.
Texted me and said she was in on my Saxon is a virgin thing.

Speaker 1 Nailed it.

Speaker 1 I mean, we don't know. I don't know what her virgin radar is, but she says she introduced me to a term that is gym cell, which I had never heard before.
Gym cell. An incel

Speaker 1 who likes to hit the gym. Yeah.
Gym cell.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 1 That sounds like another ringer podcast.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Nora. Jim Cell Corner.
Nora should host Jim Cell Corner. Jim Cell is really good.
Talk to her about it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Jim Cell. Saxon saying out loud to Locky, die a fucking virgin, is the first time I considered that you might be right.
Wow, I about seduced you to monkey shootout. You have me with monkey shootout.

Speaker 1 I still say, I just think,

Speaker 1 I think this guy has fucked a lot of people.

Speaker 1 And is not a virgin. Do you want to say on camera what you texted me? I just think you and Nora have more faith in the undergraduate populace than I do.

Speaker 1 I think Saxon has had a lot of sex, but again, I don't think he's very good at it or

Speaker 1 particularly adept at it or has a feel for what other people enjoy. And probably has not had a second time

Speaker 1 with any of his partners. A lot of one and dones.
Oh, yeah, certainly. I do think, though, something is poised to happen there with him pursuing Chloe.
And like,

Speaker 1 is he going to try to enlist Chloe for Lockheed? Are he and Chloe going to hook up? And I agree. And

Speaker 1 Greg Gary is going to try to harm him. I like that you use Greg Gary.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Been trying to get that going up popular.

Speaker 1 Again, he still could have just gone with Michael. Do you think, do you think that

Speaker 1 Saxon is going to use his like pec flex trick to

Speaker 1 the clocking that he was doing? That was so funny to me. He had a great laugh in this scene when

Speaker 1 I really enjoyed Patrick Schwartz saying when she called him a douche, I hear you're a douche. Yeah, it just says,

Speaker 1 but it was like genuine. I don't know.
I think he's doing a good job. He's great.

Speaker 1 Little stare down with the hook with the with Chloe. Oh, yeah.
I mean, they're, they're clocking each other.

Speaker 1 Goggins therapy session really quick i've done a lot of bad things i've made a lot of mistakes says his father was murdered i can't get my life back maybe i can still get some satisfaction how did you interpret this joe again i feel like this is a

Speaker 1 this is a make or break moment for rick like he is locked into this vengeance plan it seems like he doesn't see a future for himself he feels like he has no future but if he can get which is sad because we all like chloe

Speaker 1 chelsea chelsea or chelsea

Speaker 1 that's that's the whole thing It's like, can you see what's right in front of you? Which is Chelsea's cool rules.

Speaker 1 You guys are fine. Chelsea, who's still having dinner with you, despite you getting her snake bit.
Right.

Speaker 1 Totally forgave him immediately. They're at dinner that night.
Wild stuff. Yeah, like the fact that he says I can't get my life back.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm sure that that feels really true to him. Sawyer also can't go by Faustration.
It's giving Sawyer. It's giving Sawyer.
Do you know what the Snake Show made me think of? Justified Season 4.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about that too. Yeah.
Yeah. Goggins with the snakes and justified season four.

Speaker 1 Bro, there's some deep shit going on with him.

Speaker 1 He's not allowing himself to get his life back, right? He feels like he's stuck in a cage. Yeah.
Like

Speaker 1 people can just feel like they're broken and that's it. And they're just like, I've latched onto my brokenness and that's just the way I am.

Speaker 1 And he keeps saying he doesn't want to go to these sessions, but he immediately opens up and shares when he's there with Amarita.

Speaker 1 The best moment of the episode was Chelsea's like, please help him. Yeah.
Yeah. Please help him.
Please. And Almarita really wants Almarita thinks she can help him.

Speaker 1 Is there an okay, this is this is going to be my running bit if I remember to do this. Did you just use the character's name?

Speaker 1 Sometimes I do. No, that was really impressive.
The therapist, which is conferencing Amarita, yeah. Both of you had them.
Yeah. I don't know any characters' names.
It takes me like four episodes.

Speaker 1 No, but that's great because I feel like sometimes I just use character's name and people have no idea what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 And when for the common people, when I podcast when I podcast with you, you're like, you know, the blonde one. I'm probably carrying.
Yeah. I mean, it was

Speaker 1 seasons into Game of Thrones. You were still texting us like the blonde one.

Speaker 1 Tall lady. Yeah.
Well, do you think if this whole theme of the season is not just drugs, but also like spiritual awakening,

Speaker 1 like, who is that available to? Who's going to have the like nirvana moment here? Or is it available to anyone? And is it available to Rick? Chelsea already seems pretty enlightened to me.

Speaker 1 Rick's probably our best hope. I hope so.
The daughter? Oh, Piper.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Piper.
I just did it again. I didn't call her Piper.
No, but like, now people

Speaker 1 are. We know she has a big appointment on Friday.
She sure does. Boy, that was a tense moment.
Was she going to be able to get that scheduled before they had to depart?

Speaker 1 She only had six months of the tripping plan.

Speaker 1 This is a big reveal from Piper because she wants to do a program, which is not

Speaker 1 for a year. Her family knows nothing about her.
They think she's there for a thesis interview, and she's there. Smart move by her to get away from the rat lips.

Speaker 1 Right now, especially. It's like, oh, my close relationships with my brother who asked me about my sex life.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 My date rapey older brother, my crazy mother, and my dad, who's just completely unraveling. I'm going to stay here.
I'm going to go to Tyler for you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Great, great strategy. Great life strategy for Piper.
But Piper feels like we're meeting her where we left other characters at the end of a Lotus season, like Quinn at the end of season one.

Speaker 1 iPad Quinn?

Speaker 1 iPad Quinn just wanted to crank in on the beach and then it's like, let me look at this whale instead.

Speaker 1 Want to talk about a character on an arc. My God.

Speaker 1 And so,

Speaker 1 CR on the Beach.

Speaker 1 Exactly like CR on the Beach. But, you know, he had to work toward a desire to commune with nature and run away from the drama and his family.
And like, Piper's there already. Yeah.
So.

Speaker 1 Her committing to that in full feels like very imbalanced, but I think Rick feels like a good candidate for the journey of some sort of awakening.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't actually want to live my life the way I've been living it.

Speaker 1 When he had that line about the snakes and how like treating evil things that way only makes them more evil, that applies to everybody in the show so far, but certainly applies to him.

Speaker 1 He's got to like free himself from that. The thing about White Lotus is that sometimes people

Speaker 1 leave White Lotus

Speaker 1 enlightened.

Speaker 1 And sometimes people leave White Lotus trapped in the same toxic relationship as when they got there. And sometimes they leave.
Or state of mind. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And sometimes they leave because they fell off the boat, land on their head, and drowned. Yeah.
Dude. It's another way to go.

Speaker 1 Energy session with lori and then we also had the corrective posture session with locky so i really spent a lot of time thinking about this about

Speaker 1 and i i it was going to be a google deep dive maybe i'll do it this week the uh defensive position

Speaker 1 left foot on your knee you're protecting yourself with your female side um i don't know if this is true sometimes like I have a bad back.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it's easier for me to throw a foot on one leg or the other.

Speaker 1 Like we do the live podcast. I got to keep my iPad up.
So I don't know. I immediately got defensive.
I got in a defensive sitting posture

Speaker 1 listening to him talk about a posture. Okay.
So now

Speaker 1 I don't want to do that rabbit hole. But do you guys believe in defensive postures? I know this is defensive.
If you do this. That's what I'm doing.
I do that sometimes.

Speaker 1 And if I ever register that I'm doing it, I put my arms down because I know what it gives off. I would also sit in a defensive posture if that were my family.

Speaker 1 Fair. Which is basically what he said.
Are there defensive standing postures?

Speaker 1 I think like a hard crunch of any kind of defensive. Like hands in your pockets.
Like in your belly, sort of, you know, sort of like. Right.
Yeah. You're vulnerable.
Your vulnerable places.

Speaker 1 Your soft bits. Well, the guy basically said Lockheed sat like a loser.
That was his therapy session.

Speaker 1 It's like everything you're doing isn't working, buddy. I really like that.
It connects to the question you're asking. Yeah, people pleaser.
You're people pleaser. I like this.

Speaker 1 Just what an 18-year-old wants to hear who's struggling with.

Speaker 1 He was not ready for that because exactly. It wasn't just about, okay, we're going to teach you to sit up straight.
Like, this isn't a therapy session.

Speaker 1 and he was not prepared for it though obviously all of these characters have quite a bit to to work through so can can we go back to chloe for a second look i was just about to dive into her talking about tanya yeah she thinks

Speaker 1 shocking she thinks greg's wife killed herself by walking in the ocean

Speaker 1 which by the way if somebody said that what happened to your ex-wife committed suicide by walking to an ocean and all they found was part of her leg which is untrue correct i went back and re-watched i mean you re-watched it more recently, but I was like, I feel like we saw her whole body, which we do.

Speaker 1 We see her whole body. But also, why would he tell her anything?

Speaker 1 This is the thing. This is like such sloppy shit from Greg Gary.
Greg Gary.

Speaker 1 Can't bother to really change her name. Greg and Gary, are we fucking for real? Come on.
Bill has been suggesting Mitchell. It was right there.
You're still dining at a white lotus.

Speaker 1 Belinda identifies you and goes up to you.

Speaker 1 Everybody at, I know now I'm moving from the Chloe Chelsea conversation about what Chloe has learned to the dinner confrontation, the beach barbecue confrontation with Belinda, but it's all in the brew, right?

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 the fact that everybody at that table heard Tanya's name, like now they just have to Google that and they know who Greg is.

Speaker 1 First and last name. Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly.
And Rick's been like

Speaker 1 absolutely this and that. Like it's a fellow command who's not very good at being a comm anime.
Good enough to get the money.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But it's his fault because he's staying at a wheelus.
We covered that last episode. But like who's going to use what they learn as leverage in that scenario? Right.

Speaker 1 Or what is, is Belinda. Belinda's not seem convinced by this.
No. So.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I thought that was the best acting of the show. Belinda's response to Greg.
No, Greg Gary's kind of very hidden double take where he's like,

Speaker 1 you could just see for like a split second, his eyes bulging out. He's really good in this season.
Yeah. Then he got his shit.

Speaker 1 But his like predatory, like sort of scoping out the restaurant um looking at saxon to your point um but i think something that's really important about chloe talking about tanya and and belinda talking about tanya and all of this other stuff is

Speaker 1 there's this batshit theory floating around with love and respect to everyone who believed in this theory that this was some like a prequel

Speaker 1 because yeah because they were like maybe this is before he met Tanya maybe this is before Belinda met Tanya there were a bunch of people who thought this was like a I think people have been watching too much Severance and or Westworld like they thought it was a prequel season, but there's no clearly not no, it's clearly not.

Speaker 1 I have a Greg Gary present for you guys. Let's see just me

Speaker 1 and a few simple laws aging on the tree

Speaker 1 on the cake. It's best high in the world.
Oh, believe me, it's not the best high in the world.

Speaker 1 That's like 30 plus years ago. Just don't trust Greg Gary when you see him in anything.
John Grees? Lost? Don't trust him on lost. Has he ever been

Speaker 1 trustworthy ever? Napoleon Dynamite. Uncle Rico.

Speaker 1 Good call. Good call.
That's the

Speaker 1 Chelsea and Rick get high and go to a snake show. How'd you feel about this? This was the weirdest sequence in the show.
I was very distressed through this whole sequence.

Speaker 1 It couldn't have possibly ended well, right? I mean,

Speaker 1 I think the answer to this for pretty much everybody is no, but do you guys guys like snakes? Because I don't like snakes.

Speaker 1 I'm not opposed to like a little corn snake. Like there's some like cute little snakes that exist.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But if they've got, if it's like a draw the line at Bat Rusk,

Speaker 1 if it's got like poisonous fangs or a rattle. Yeah.
And I'm in Thailand.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a no for.
Oh, so Rick. The snake show? I'm not going.
Oh, no. I would not be going to the snake show.
The snake show is an immediate no thanks. No.

Speaker 1 So Rick is doing a little bit of the R bats, a little bit of the sword from Lost, and a little bit of the Harry freeing the snake. Before he knows, he's doing parcels.

Speaker 1 This was, okay, here's my question for you guys about the snake freeing. And great, obviously, that Chelsea just confronts him at the end and is like, Rick,

Speaker 1 you freed a bunch of venomous snakes today. Like, this is not a normal thing.
I love her. She's the best.
What do you think the lesson is?

Speaker 1 What is the show's message to us? I think this is. This is Rick does this and then something bad happens.
This is the Con Before the Storm episode, literally, because they're going on a boat.

Speaker 1 And I think this was just establishing snake fire and tsunami. I think we, I think they're trying to tell us

Speaker 1 nearly dying twice is important. Yeah.
One way or another. Because like there's something about what Rick is doing here that feels noble and good.

Speaker 1 He's like, they're trapped, they're not free. I'm leading myself in that.

Speaker 1 That's like a good moment of introspection. And also he is trying to do something like helpful and in theory good.
And

Speaker 1 Chelsea almost dies.

Speaker 1 But these are two pretty dramatic vacation events. Like, if you went on a vacation, you'd be like, Hear about what happened to Mal in Thailand?

Speaker 1 She was in a store, and there was a huge robbery, and she almost got shot. Like, oh my god, yeah, and it's like, you're gonna go to the next snake show, and then I'll be like,

Speaker 1 Absolutely not, Mel did not go to the snake show.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, great stuff! But, like, those are two crazy things to happen,

Speaker 1 unless it's a different kind of snake show, right? Exactly, yeah,

Speaker 1 exactly. Great stuff when Chloe's like,

Speaker 1 maybe you just shouldn't come on the boat. Okay, wait.

Speaker 1 Did you hear

Speaker 1 when the fancies, as Bill is calling them, were checking on Valentine, there was like hardcore moaning on the soundtrack. That's the bad accompaniment.
And same with Chloe and Saxon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, they're putting like pornographic moaning on the soundtrack of this show. Yes, I did notice.
Okay, just making sure.

Speaker 1 Well, Chelsea got bit. That was a very well done,

Speaker 1 tense scene. When you see this natural thing, just to hold the stinks.
It's like, oh, God, I'm not enjoying this. But, you know, it was definitely weird.

Speaker 1 Rick got one of the sleeping pills. Rick seemed

Speaker 1 genuinely upset. Sure.
We were constantly questioning, like, does Rick actually care about Chelsea at all? Right. And when she's going to the hospital, he seems like desperate to follow her.

Speaker 1 So he was also upset after the robbery. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tim ate a sleeping pill. There's a double date with Greg Gary.

Speaker 1 Barbie and V. He's inviting everyone on the boat tomorrow.
And then the fancy cougar dinner. Let's dive into it.
All right. After this break.

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Speaker 1 All right. The Fancies are out to dinner.

Speaker 1 Carrie Kuhn hasn't been touched by a man like that in some time. Hasn't been not touched by that.
Hasn't been not touched by a man like that in some time.

Speaker 1 Great stuff. But here's what we learned about Leslie Bibbs' character.
What's her name on the show? Kate. Kate.

Speaker 1 Not a new age person. No, no.
She's a church-going Texas lady. Yep.

Speaker 1 She voted for Trump.

Speaker 1 You're now pointing out. Did you vote for Trump? Well, she's like, do I really want to talk at Troll? Really going to talk about Trump.

Speaker 1 Again, this like silent smile thing she does, I think is like a killer.

Speaker 1 Silent, smiling, MAGA conservative Texas lady. What I think was so smart about what they did is they did a little bait and switch with us.
When they put her in Austin, you're like, oh, right.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Sure.
Yeah. And then she's like, little bubble blue haven.

Speaker 1 Then she's like, oh no. Yeah.
The contrast in her facial expression at that table where she's like

Speaker 1 evasive and also challenging a little bit of the contention that they're bringing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the face when she's alone, when there's no one sitting at the table, when she's watching them.

Speaker 1 Each of them now has, in every episode near the end, has observed the other two talking about it. It's the no-trust triangle.
Totally. Jacoby.

Speaker 1 And she looked completely crestfallen, not only to know that they thought this about her, but to see herself through their eye. I actually thought this was my favorite scene in the episode.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love their reactions. Oh, my God.
Yeah. They're like,

Speaker 1 because now we're going back to we all grew up together. I thought we would all think the same about everything.
It's like. Clearly, this lady's a lot different than you two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they haven't seen each other in a long time. And their accusation is that she has molded her personality to fit her husband.
And also

Speaker 1 my favorite moment. Husband sounds great.
Sounds like a fun hang. Let's go to a Cowboys game with a King of Austin did.

Speaker 1 Sounds like a connected dude. My favorite, my favorite moment.
I was seeing him last week in Texas taking us out. My favorite moment is when Kate is like, you would know that if you came to visit me.

Speaker 1 And they're like, I can't wait to get down there. I really want to come.
Yeah. There's no chance on it.

Speaker 1 Let's start planning that Austin trip.

Speaker 1 This is a big thing to not know about somebody that you repeatedly say out loud is your closest lifelong friend. Well, right.
All right. So what are the lessons? They don't really talk that much.

Speaker 1 They're not in touch with me. Probably like some tech stuff.
How are you doing, honey? So good. Saw that Instagram photo.
You look so great. It's like all surface fake shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your kids look great. I get the Christmas card every year, something like that.

Speaker 1 I thought it was weird that you're all wearing red hats, but whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 1 Baseball catches that Sama hats. Ah, choice.

Speaker 1 Inside the trust triangle, I think what's really interesting inside the patented Jacobi Trust Triangle is like

Speaker 1 what are the strongest bonds of identity that you can have, right? And it's like Lori and Kate are

Speaker 1 moms who have been married and divorced for a long time and Jacqueline doesn't get that. Or, you know, Jacqueline and Kate have wealth and status.
Yeah, have good plastic surgeons.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And then, like, but then there's this like Trump voter thing.

Speaker 1 And the Trump voter thing I thought was really interesting because, first of all, this was made before they knew what the outcome of the election was. So like, how does this, how does this scene play?

Speaker 1 They were editing it during the election. But like,

Speaker 1 this scene existed so how is it gonna play if there was a different outcome you know all of that and then also

Speaker 1 i thought it was interesting to make the trump part explicit here versus in white lotus season two when they were talking about voting they were like you know the couple theo james and stuff like that like do you even vote was this sort of conversation they were having

Speaker 1 but that's different that's like a more nebulous version of this like wait you didn't vote for trump did you right i loved how they did it because it wasn't necessarily political but it was about how something like this is such a great little window into the fact that the three of them don't really know each other that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. I thought, I mean, it did feel political, but it felt social.
It felt like it touched all aspects of life. Like, yeah, they're coasting on nostalgia, right?

Speaker 1 Now, I think in some ways, there's something true and kind of nice about that. Like

Speaker 1 the deepest or

Speaker 1 longest-lasting friendships in your life, sometimes you do go a really long time without seeing or talking to somebody.

Speaker 1 And the sign that it's a friendship you can count on forever is that that's okay you can always just pick right back up and maybe there are things you don't know about each other but like oh you don't know that i became like or that i have a gluten intolerance is like that bucket you don't know that i have a deeply like distinct political and morality regularly go to church

Speaker 1 yeah or like she could have pulled out like a giant thing of cocaine and just started like banging it out and they would be like whoa you're doing that now like it's on that level of like i didn't realize you're this now.

Speaker 1 Well, and that's why cocaine is like a habit. Right.
This is how you drink. This is like a belief sort of and I think you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 It's a habit the same way cocaine is where it's like, I'm in Texas. Sorry,

Speaker 1 a bumping church. Yeah, bumping church.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm curious if you guys, if it struck you guys this way too. Like it almost felt like the judgment.
I think, yes, if she's like, I, yes, I voted for Trump. Why are you saying that? And

Speaker 1 why do you think that's bad? And here's all, here is my defense of it.

Speaker 1 Von. They would have said, we're horrified.
How could you do that as a woman? All the things that they say. But it felt like the more active judgment was like,

Speaker 1 is this what she believes? It's the chameleonic. That's certainly what

Speaker 1 Lori and Jacqueline were talking about when they were whispering.

Speaker 1 Like, she always just does whatever Dave does. Yeah.
It's a classic Julia Roberts runaway. Dave sounds amazing.
Could Dave be shown up to Thailand?

Speaker 1 Who would you want to play? Have

Speaker 1 somebody. I mean, it's John Hamm sitting right there.
I don't know how many shows he can pop into at the same time. Oh, my God.
Little Hammy. He can just roll over from the hospital bed.

Speaker 1 No, hey, just write out. Pull the plugs out.
I want to listen for a face time. I want like Buddy Garrity.
Oh, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 That would be

Speaker 1 McConaughey. Oh, oh, man.

Speaker 1 That would also be great. Wow.
That would be one of them.

Speaker 1 That would be great. Anyway, I love this scene.
And then Belinda, who for the most part was a snorfest with her scenes until she decided I'm going to go see if that's actually Greg.

Speaker 1 And she's probably going to get, I think she's in the murder rankings.

Speaker 1 I think that it doesn't feel safe to confront Greg Gary at dinner this way, but she doesn't know, but he doesn't know what she doesn't know. If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 This almost feels like it would be too cruel of a thing for White Lotus. Is White Lotus just a show about killing? Killing off your favorite character? Greg Gary going around the world killing women?

Speaker 1 Is that what this show is? That's where they landed on.

Speaker 1 Doing the interview today, I forgot how haphazardly they put together season one.

Speaker 1 Sure, yeah. Make it a show on COVID.
Make a show of COVID. They're still figuring out the show as they're doing it.

Speaker 1 They have to go back and refilm some of the ending and they assume it's a one and done. Right.
And then by episode, by season three now,

Speaker 1 this is like this show might be on eight seasons. Like, so

Speaker 1 Greg Gary becoming like the serial killer of White Lotus. Like, I'm not against it.
Chris is like, sign me up. Where do I get to go on that? Three-peat star of White Lotus.

Speaker 1 That's true. He's the only one.
Yeah, he is the only one. Yeah.
I think he's clearly alarmed to have been clocked, right?

Speaker 1 Alarmed to have been made and going to try to ensure that Belinda does not out him. So then my question becomes, what is the counterweight to that? Does he let her in the boat? No, certainly not.

Speaker 1 She finds out day of, it's like, we're all going on the boat. You should come.

Speaker 1 I don't think she has to be around around him she has a freaked out feeling this is part of what the what's the spooky sound in my room is evoking it's just a sense of unease right she's like what is that spooky sound in her room i what i don't know a snake a monkey might have been gregary in the closet i'm

Speaker 1 it definitely could be

Speaker 1 guy talk is he getting fired no we have that plot no no that plot's looming but they are gonna say you can't let something like this happen again and then he's gonna get like fire

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have to do that. We have Saxon going on the yacht, hopefully having sex with Chloe, which I'll enjoy that whole subplot.

Speaker 1 We've done sex on a yacht on White Lotus before, Porsche and Jack last season. So, what you're saying is you cannot wait for Saxon to have sex with Chloe on the yacht.
That is your number one.

Speaker 1 And Greg Gary to find out and be pissed off. I'm also excited for this.
Yachts are always boats of any sort, big settings on White Lotus. This is where Tanya

Speaker 1 could not finish pouring the ashes or mother's ashes into the ocean in season one. I would say yachts are the single most important property in any HBO show.

Speaker 1 certainly

Speaker 1 succession sopranos which you didn't watch the game of thrones did they have yachts in the 1300s or no oh they did there are some yachts there's plenty of boats plenty plenty of yachts very famous very famous boats yeah some incest yeah then white lotus we've had multiple yacht stuff yeah we had cliffhanger in season or not cliffhanger the end of the season two That makes me think it can't be the setting of some murder, terrible act of vengeance.

Speaker 1 So it's sex o'clock

Speaker 1 i was thinking i really miss succession

Speaker 1 yeah great show great program i just miss i just miss it i hope another show pops on that i enjoyed as much as that one what a what a what a weird thing to say right in the middle of talking about white lotus no i love

Speaker 1 sunday night but white lotus the characters change every year the succession because i was thinking with the with the yacht i was thinking of some of those Some of those yacht scenes they had in Succession.

Speaker 1 Worried about their toenails.

Speaker 1 Let's get some Tom and Greg back in our lives you want a tom and greg seven off course i feel like after five years everyone's just gonna look at

Speaker 1 it let's bring this

Speaker 1 back to say that to chris and andy's face

Speaker 1 saxon mentions us there's a big full moon holiday and this is like a thing in a thing right right next the island next door to the island they're shooting on they have like a rave on the beach every single month for the full moon and it's just this like huge beach party great in uh in taiwan sounds like a great scene i feel like some of our core characters are about to do some more drugs that's what i'm hearing awesome well we know that's going to be a theme last thing we didn't talk about rick and chelsea when she said you released a bunch of venomous snakes today you're fucking deranged snakes are evil read the bible evil things shouldn't be treated like shit it only makes them more evil

Speaker 1 so we're just snakes are evil read the bible is like a pretty great chelsea quote incredible stuff not wrong

Speaker 1 Well, neither's Rick, though. Not all snakes bite, man.
Snakes are evil and cats are kind of deep down evil. Well, deep down.

Speaker 1 Stop it. Deep down.
No, that was not a Libra move of you at all. Deep down.
No. There is the purest love you will ever know.

Speaker 1 If you, like Rick, opened your heart and opened yourself to the possibility. Some of my favorite Instagram videos are cats just fucking with dogs and little kids, which backs my point.

Speaker 1 That they're discerning and

Speaker 1 strategic and smart. Cats have a dark side.
I can't believe this is the fight you want to pick.

Speaker 1 Cats have a dark side. We all know.
And then

Speaker 1 things are closing in on Tim Ratliff is where we leave the episode. Boy, are they? He doesn't do drugs.
Major way. He doesn't do drugs.
Very, very worrying. MVP of the episode?

Speaker 1 Jason Isaacs.

Speaker 1 Goggins, I think. I think it's Goggins.
I have Goggins. It's a great Goggins episode.

Speaker 1 I just want to say that I think it was last week that I was like, if Tim Ratliff gets into the Lorazepam, we're going to have a good time. And I feel like we're about to have a good time.

Speaker 1 But it almost deprived us of Tim. Lorazepam.
missing. Lorazepam, Tim, is something that I'm very excited about.
So Lorazepam, like, can you walk me through how powerful this is?

Speaker 1 Is this like basically.

Speaker 1 Why are you both looking at me? Well, because you know the name of the pill.

Speaker 1 I don't take Lorazepam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a sedative.

Speaker 1 Is it like an elephant tranquilizer type of sleepy pill? Like how. Well, Vicki is happy to say that it is your milligram.

Speaker 1 It depends on your milligrams is what I would say. Because obviously Parker Posey's been chugging him down every night and is like half immune to him at this point.

Speaker 1 She doesn't just take them at night, though. She like just takes them.

Speaker 1 What else is in her cocktail? But people like the mushroom scene, which I stay out of because I'm terrible at drugs, as Mallory knows.

Speaker 1 And now I know. Well, now you know, too.
I'm just bad at drugs. It's fine.
I have a lot of strengths and I have some weaknesses. But I like that you turn to me for drug info and horoscope info.

Speaker 1 And I love this northern colour.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the mushroom where some people can be like, oh, I'll do a 10 milligram or I'll do a double. And then other people can do like a single and they're completely demolished for the rest of the night.

Speaker 1 I would imagine sleeping pills works like that too. You can develop like a weird thing.
And also, like, if you're talking about like body mass, you know, like Tim is much bigger than his wife.

Speaker 1 So like whatever her dosage is, he's probably going to need more. That was the Jalen Rose corollary.

Speaker 1 Jalen Rose, my friend, who's like six, eight and a half. And he's drinking wine.
And it's just like he's just, it's just going to take more wine to knock him sideways.

Speaker 1 So if you're like, get a bottle with him and you have two glasses and he has two glasses, it's like he's had half a glass. Yeah.
Because he's just got, you know, he's got more height to play with.

Speaker 1 MVP, so we split on Goggins. Yeah.
Predictions. I don't want to step on you and Rob, but predictions for episode four.
We know we're going on a yacht. Yeah.
Well, here's my question.

Speaker 1 This sounds like a transition episode to me, and I feel like episode four is going to be a massive episode. Is Rick going on the yacht or is he going to Bangkok? He says he's going to Bangkok.

Speaker 1 But he said that last episode, episode, too. I think he delivered the trip.
Well, he delayed the trip to the family. He goes to Bangkok, which means we get Chelsea.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 1 Either she sees something she shouldn't see or she flirts with somebody she shouldn't see. That'sn't bringing anyone else with his whole family going.
He invited the family. Incredible.
We didn't.

Speaker 1 We didn't talk about not everyone who has a boat. Yeah.
Like, and Victoria's worried that they're trashy because they have a boat. Are they decent people? Like, yeah.
They have a yacht. They're rich.

Speaker 1 Great stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, rich people can be trashy. But Rick almost like, I think he, he, yes, he has to go to Bangkok and start running the comm.

Speaker 1 But if he delayed and went on the boat and the, the Ratliff family comes, the idea of Tim and Rick being in a confined space together when they hate each other so much. So who's on the boat?

Speaker 1 That would be very sticking this out. The Double Day Cruise on the boat.
Greg Garrett. Saxon's on the boat.
That's fine. Choe Chelsea.
Probably not Rick. Saxon Locky.
She's

Speaker 1 expats, like a bunch of expats. So I think there's just going to be other people.

Speaker 1 But it's possible it's just the four of them with Saxon in the Rick spot. I bet it's going to be a bunch of LBHs.
Losers back home, man. They got to do something with their time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They got nothing about time. I can't wait to go on the boat with this crew.
It's going to be fantastic. Something bad's going to happen.

Speaker 1 All right. That's it for episode three.
Right. Anything else? We learned a lot about accents,

Speaker 1 about horoscopes,

Speaker 1 snakes. Snakes.
The fact that cats have a dark side. You have to admit cats have a dark side.

Speaker 1 A halo is a ray of light of my life. Would halo, would halo kill a mouse if it was in your house? Yeah, sure.
And he'd bring it to me. He'd present it to me.
Yeah. And I would say, good job, Baba.

Speaker 1 Cats are predators. Would you kill a mouse if it was in your house? I don't really like mice, but we did have a.
Would you kill a mouse if it was in your house, Bill?

Speaker 1 The most interesting thing, would I kill it? No, I would try to scoop it outside. Okay.

Speaker 1 Just for karma points. With like a shoebox? I was dating.

Speaker 1 I was dating a girl once. We were staying at her parents' house and I went down to get water and I heard this like weird sound.

Speaker 1 And it was their cat was in the foyer, had a mouse cornered and was just like slowing in. It wasn't just like, I'm killing the mouse.

Speaker 1 It was like, I'm really going to enjoy this next five minutes before I kill them.

Speaker 1 And it was like watching Wild Kingdom. I've never seen anything like it.
Do you think that's what was happening in Belinda's Villa? The Mysterious Sounds? Do you think it's a cat?

Speaker 1 It would be great to have a cat in the city. Could be a monkey? I probably.
No, it's probably a monkey.

Speaker 1 Bill, underneath anger, there's always a sadness, you know? So when you, that's what we learned from this episode and also what I know to be true when you talk about cats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just want me to do I have to get one just for our relationship for the stories. It seemed like you were gonna get one last year.

Speaker 1 My wife really wants one. Yeah, I don't, I just don't like kitty leather.
Are you in on this? Yeah, she has a cat. Would you be a male cat or a female cat? Uh, yeah, female cats are less marky, right?

Speaker 1 I think you would love to have a little female cat. I think that would be really male cats mark,

Speaker 1 don't they? They can. Don't you want the big cats to respect respect you?

Speaker 1 You don't just be like neurotic all your life. You die a fucking virgin.

Speaker 1 Fucking cat virgin. Do you? We are back next week on the Prestige TV pod, but Joe's going to be on with Ramahoni.
Doing deep dives. When does Severance end?

Speaker 1 A couple weeks. Okay.
I don't want it to be over. I know.
A plus season, A, A minus? A plus, A. A plus.
A, A,

Speaker 1 yeah. Do you believe that it's Apple's biggest show ever? Yes.
Absolutely. I don't know how.
How is it bigger than Ted Lasso? That show is like a phenomenon.

Speaker 1 Everyone I know is watching, except for you. The only person on the planet that I know who's watching.
How about this? I'll watch it when you watch The Sopranos.

Speaker 1 Three dimensions this episode. Deal.
I told you I'll watch The Sopranos as soon as you let me do a show about it. All right.

Speaker 1 Good to see you, both. Good to see you.