‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 3: The Unraveling of Tim Ratliff

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Well, shit's it going down. Episode three.
We knew we were heading toward something. What are we heading to? Oh, I don't know.
Disaster? Chaos. Who are you more worried for? Chelsea, who's already been to the hospital, or our guide Tim Ratliff, who's hitting the lorazepam hard? I've never been concerned for this many people in a White Lotus cast at the same time.
I am... Is the show now self-aware that we're going to become attached and concerned for the characters and now that's why six are in play? You know, I think that it is engaging with the theorizing around the opening mystery very actively this season.
Absolutely. and I think, you know, I was wondering if it felt like more pronounced this season, but then if you think back like last year or last season, everything with Tanya and the Madam Butterfly foreshadowing, it's not like the prior seasons weren't doing that, but it does feel like the let's make sure, you know, the classic great storytelling technique of making sure every outcome is viable and the one that ultimately ends up happening will be supported in full by the story to that point.
But you could believe any number of outcomes. Like, I feel like they're doing a great job with that so far.
Chelsea nearly dying twice in two consecutive episodes makes me actually less worried. I know.
I was going to say, does that make you less worried? And the character mentioning it. Yeah.
Another character mentioning, well, you've had two near-death experiences, are they? Yeah. Do you feel like Chelsea's safe? Or are you going to double fake yourself out and be like, or does that actually mean- Is he counting on us thinking that? Is Mike White counting on us thinking that she said, what Chelsea said to Rick at the end, you're not going to get rid of me that easy.
If you kill me, I'll follow you into the next life and the next. So the Stevie Nicks silver springs.
Maybe she's doing you want to do our i wasn't going to start the pot this way might as well are most worried about character power rankings gay talk's number one for me i just feel like he's he's going to be dead unless not a spoiler alert because everyone's seen episode three unless he's involved in the robbery. Oh, no.
And they're doing a nice little end around with him.

I don't think he's involved in the robbery.

I feel, and we've been talking about this since week one.

No, but I do think he is going to play a

crucial, tragic and crucial role in the shootout.

And what feels most likely to me now

after the third episode where I still adore him,

but he got one taste, one crumb, a crumb of hope. Shout out the Landman finale title, A Crumb of Hope.
Have you watched the Landman finale yet? No. We'll talk about it.
No. For The Sopranos.
A little taste of praise. And I say this with love for a guy's talk.
Fucking up his job. Like, they got in, they committed the robbery, and got hit in the head and then they escaped and he was told he was brave he was doted on and checked on by the person he loves and now he's like i'm tough i can do this i know that the bodyguards the hollinger bodyguards have this appeal like let me go offer to be a bodyguard and i'm i think there's a pairing of Guy Talk Theory Corner and Monkey Theory Corner.
You have won me over in full. Oh, wow.
Here's what I'm worried about now. The guest, because we have that Belinda spooky sounds in the villa scene.
Somebody hears something. It sets off a reaction from a panicked guest.
You're saying- And then our guy, Guy Talk. Guy Talk, trigger happy.
Trained at that point to defend the hotel. Because there are all these shots in the trailers.
Called out by the other bodyguards as a wuss. He's got to prove his manhood a little bit.
Turkey trying to be a rooster, right? Yeah. Starts firing and then just a sequence of events unfolds.
Like. Where are all the other.
Accidental chaos. So like that's.
Where are all the guns coming from, though? That's the question. So, are we, are you comfortable with us talking about, none of us have watched ahead, we'll eschew our caveat every time, trailers, though.
You know what's funny? People don't believe that. We're not watching ahead.
I'm not interested in watching ahead. People in my life who know me and allegedly either like me or love me are like, no, you're watching ahead.
Come on. Because they think you're undisciplined.
I promise you're not watching ahead because you're like, as soon as we're done, I'm going to watch episodes. Yeah.
You're being there to go on. I know.
Yeah. So you're comfortable with us talking about trailers? Trailers.
I haven't watched. You guys studied the trailer.
I did not study the trailer. At all.
I feel like that's cheating. I didn't study it frame by frame.
I just, every trailer that they've released, the preseason trailers and the rest of the season on,

Guy Toc is training with a gun in all of the trailers.

So he's getting a gun at some point,

though there are lots of other guns in the trailers as well.

He gets spooked.

He's like, someone else gets spooked,

and then he's like, I have to defend you.

Is trigger happy, has something to prove,

and you think the inciting incident

is a monkey.

Or a snake.

They're everywhere.

Okay.

Snakes fire, monkeys,

tsunamis, tsunami videos.

A toilet snake?

Watch this guy just stand here

on the beach

as the tsunami overtakes him.

And do you think that Tim was like,

that looks pretty nice right about that?

Yeah, Tim's like,

I would sign up for that right now.

That was a gorgeous opening

to the episode. Oh, the dream.
A very trippy, druggy, delusional, dreamy episode. I loved it.
I think that's the season. I agree.
Yeah. I agree because, and I know you, do you want to talk about the interview you had on the pod? Yeah, by the time people hear this, I think that will have already run, but Dave Bernard with the EP of it, he said this whole season came out of this fever dream Mike White had.
In the hospital. When they were location scouting.
Location scouting and gets so fucked up. He's like in this, they gave him some steroid that was too strong and he went into some haze for two days.
So this is a drugstore. He came out of the haze and was like, I have season three.
Yeah. When I get sick.
And it's literally season three. I can barely lean over to get a tissue.
And Mike White comes up with season three of White Lomus. Okay.
So like how? When you say when you get sick, you mean once a month when I get sick. I try to avoid that by not being around my colleagues when they're ill.
You do get sick a lot. The rat lifts.
I'm susceptible to germs. Two out of five of the rat lifts are on lorazepam right now.
Yeah. Right? I love the little like pill holster.
A piece of luggage just for the pills. Rick claims that his drugs were laced.
The weed that he got from like weed land or whatever. It's cannabis land.
Yeah. Whatever it's called.
I don't believe that. Do you think the blondes, the ladies, are they going to have a drug experience? I sure hope so.
The fancies? Yeah. I love fancies.
I sure hope so. Makes me think of Reba.
They're drinking a lot. They're drinking a lot.
Are they going to have a drug experience? At some point, everybody's going to have a lace something. I don't know.
Lace or otherwise are chosen.

Here's what we know for episode four.

We're going on a boat, and I can't wait.

I'm thrilled.

We're going on a boat.

Greg Gary's hosting.

Saxon's going to be there.

Saxon's going to be there with no shirt on, just doing Saxon stuff. Chelsea's going to be there.

Yeah.

Chloe.

Yes.

Saw some glances.

Oh, man.

A lot of eye.

We've gone backwards.

Big takeaways from episode three before we got to rip through it. Tsunami, snakes, and fire.
Yep. Ratliff's about to be.
Disaster. He's basically like, I'm going to enjoy these next five days in my drugged whatever stupor.
Enjoy. The end of the vacation will happen.
They'll hand me my phone back and I'm going to jail. Yeah.
Then I don't want to know anymore. I'm going to drop my phone in the back.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't.
That is not a man who is prepared to face the, forget like chipping away, the shattering of his legacy and his standing. And when he was telling Saxon, we got to, you know, just kind of trying to distract his family, right? With the whole phone gambit.
Like, we got to, like, nurture these things in ourselves so that we have something else to give. He is confronting the fact that that is not, he doesn't feel that that is the case about his life.
He is not prepared to go to jail. No.
Rob and I got an email. Someone was pointing out to us that the poisonous tree that's in their villa, the pong pong tree, is known as the suicide tree.
I feel like the pills in this episode were a gateway to that for Tim. The fact...
So they plant the toxic fruit in episode one. Yes.
The pills are now heading toward the... Yeah, okay.
Because the second pill he took, he didn't tell Victoria he took it. She's like, do you want another one? He's like, no, I don't.
I don't do drugs. But he had just gone and taken one.
Yeah, yeah. So he's already secretly consuming.

He's trying to avoid having to confront the decimation of his life.

Could you eat the toxic fruit but not die?

Pamela.

I did not think so.

She said very, very poisonous.

You could die.

Right.

But she didn't say you will die.

So it could be like the suicide where he doesn't actually die.

He eats the fruit thinking it's going to kill him.

And the hospital finds him and saves him.

The hospital's only 15 minutes away.

We know this.

Thanks to Chelsea.

Hero that she is.

The other one I was thinking was

he makes a toxic fruit smoothie

but then gets distracted

and then Lockie drinks it

because he thinks it's a power shit.

Bill!

Chug it down, Lockie.

Don't you want to be one of the big dogs?

That sounds like it could happen.

That sounds like it could happen.

That feels great.

Something with Lachlan in the smoothie

seems like he's being forced on him. I had Lockie number two in my power rankings behind Gay Talk.
Well, that's another one that people have been pointing out. In the opening credits, there are all these postures with the various animals.
My favorite one is Parker Posey's where it's just like two monkeys getting high. But Lockie's is – Sam Navola's is just like a guy floating in the water now that could be Lockie in the deprivation tank or his chill water hammock where he asked his sister or his dead body boy that would be a hot bummer so those two I would have as top two I mean Rick has to be on there just because we know Rick's going to commit some violence and then come back

to haunt him.

I feel like it's,

well,

I don't know.

White Lotus is not

operating on normal

moral behaviors,

but it feels like

the kind of story

where Rick has a choice

to make.

Give up vengeance,

embrace Chelsea's affection,

choose a path

of like life

or choose vengeance

and that will lead

in death and destruction.

That's a usual setup,

but White Lotus

tends to zig and zag.

I'm glad you're

I'm sorry. life or choose vengeance and that will lead in death and destruction that's a usual setup but white lotus tends to zig and zag i'm glad you're you're uh hitting the vengeance note because he's a couple gravelly voice register shifts away from just being robert pattinson's batman in this episode like talking about his pursuit absolutely not no because robert pattinson uh batman was never as charming as r is when he sits down.
Who is he actually doing? He's Sawyer. I mean, they're just doing down to the dear Mr.
Sawyer letter You guys were worried after Goggins after the first episode and now he's full Goggins in it. I'm thrilled.
It was great. I'm thrilled and delighted.
Great, great Goggins. Grifter Goggins was wonderful.
I think he's moved into the Emmy leaderboard rankings. I think he's number one right now.
It's a crowded field. Everyone is amazing.
I don't know. Jason Isaacs.
He's been really good. He's been really good.
He's been really good. Really, really good.
They're all great. Tim is the one who's like the most, like being squeezed going through it.
You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.
So we have Belinda's now in danger. That's a big takeaway.
We're going to go through all these when we break down the episode I can't wait to talk about this Belinda episode about Greg Gary or Pornshy Greg Gary your guy Pornshy I can't wait is that a Thai saying? fantastic it felt like something was going to happen there oh yeah I was nervous I was thrilled and eager. I was like, are we...
Oh, I'm shipping it hard. Is this going to be our first sex scene? Belinda and this guy? Really? We got Chelsea and Rick at the end of the last episode.
That did not leave the impression on you that it left... It was a sex scene.
It was more than a lick. It was a full suckle.
It was a PG. It's a PG-13 maybe..
PG-13. That's not what we do on White Lotus.
We go hard on White Lotus. That's true.
That's true. Poor Chai mumbling to himself tipsy, tipsy, tipsy as he walks away.
Relatable content. Very sweet.
Not just the moment at the doorstep with the two of them, but it was very brief in one of the montages. I don't know what the treatment is called.
Oh, cradle the baby. Cradling her in the water.
Yeah. I have never felt so soon.
You're signing up for that? Do you want that for you? Is that your number one spa treatment now? Well, very little. I still want the feet one.
Oh, yeah. That's a little bit.
Very little about the wellness life. I don't want.
But that seems great. Hover hands.
Hover hands is not for me. Energy moving is not for me.
Valentin. Valentin.
One of the many things that you and Kate have in common. Yeah.
You don't believe in energy healing? Well, one of the many things. One of the many things that you and Kate have in common? Yeah.
It's just not for me. Well, one of the many things? One of the many things that you and Kate have in common? Let's back off putting me in the same bucket as Kate.
I wouldn't know what to do during the energy massage. You can't even open your eyes.
Yeah, close your eyes. I'd be way too awkward.
What if you didn't feel it right away? Is it just, you just get your money back? No. Like you have to like buy in if you're the massagee.
It's an emperor's clothes situation where you're just sort of like You set to go with it? Yeah. Well we got to see what it was like when you're not vibing with the session Lockie sitting there with the Right.
People please sir? Forget Kate. People please sir? Lockie's like hunched position is like It was tough.
Very identifiable to me. I love it.
Chloe and Saxon it's on. That was another big takeaway.
Okay. We're on with some.
They're having, they're going to hook up. There's some eye fucking going on.
He's definitely banging her. Or is he, or is she going to like fleece him for some money? So, she eyeing him as a mark or is someone to have sex with? Or both? I had that thought and that's my question too, but I do wonder if that's too similar to the Lucia Albee.
I think it's my last year with Greg Gary has sucked. Time to find.
This guy's going to be here for a week. I'm going to step in.
A new meal ticket? Yeah, this guy's in shape. I hear you're a douche.
This will be a fun two days. I could see her charging Saxon for Saxon.
It being such an ego wound for him. We can't do that.
Two straight seasons. Yeah, it would be a little.
We'll get into that and then we'll get into... Wait, are you hoping for then, like, is it boat sex? Oh, I think it's a sneak away in the cabin.
Sneak away in the boat. Like the little guest cabin in the bathroom.
Because Greg Gary knew right away. He sniffed it out.
That makes me nervous for Saxon. Oh.
Very nervous. You throwing Saxon in the power rankings?

The fact that Greg slash Gary ain't known.

Do you think he's going to kill Belinda and Saxon?

I hope Belinda is okay.

I just think everybody feels like they're in peril right now.

The book.

Who's not in peril?

I know.

Basically just the daughter.

She's the only one I feel good about.

I think Jacqueline Lemon's going to be fine. Yeah.
I think Lori's going to be fine. Oh, Lori.
I love her. I think Kate is going to be fine.
Kate. Well, we have Rick killing somebody in Bangkok is happening.
Or on his way to Bangkok to do something not great. He are big those are big sequences.

But he's got

okay so we know

that

did you guys talk

about this on the pod

that there's like an actor

that hasn't been announced yet?

We did not talk about

that on the pod.

That's just on the water.

There's an actor

that hasn't been announced

on White Lotus

and we know that Rick

called his friends.

Right.

Not surprising

because they've done this

they did season two

did they do in season one? I don't remember them doing this. He calls his friend Frank.
Yeah, he calls his friend Frank. Yeah.
Frank. Frank.
Or any of the number of people that Tim Ratliff has talked to on the phone. Chuck.
Terry. The woman on the phone with him, I'm unwilling to identify this with any certainty.
It sounded a little like Merit Weaver to me but that might be just because

I've been watching

too much severance.

Joanna's voice recognition technology

is some of the best.

That one I'm not very certain on

and we don't have any

closing credits to tell us

one way or another.

So you're convinced

every time there's somebody

on the phone

it's a famous actor or actress?

Not every time.

But I think sometimes it is. Seems at least worth considering.
We'll take a break. Then we're going to rip through the episode.
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We open with a Parker Posey dream sequence.

Sensational.

This is what it looks like

before a tsunami.

Is there a house behind them?

You're missing the duvet

wrapped around you

as you sit on the beach.

And then Lockie's there

with two members of the hotel staff. Two staff people.
Yeah. Then she wakes up.
Yeah, and here's her little phone call. Husbands on the balcony having urgent...
I just don't think she's curious enough as a spouse. I don't care how many secrets you're burying in a marriage.
You're going to notice when it hits this kind of tipping point where there's something clearly horrible happening. she does notice the fact that she has this dream is clearly triggered not only by Lockie showing her these videos but also by this budding anxiety that something is wrong and then at the end she does say to him Tim is something going on and then immediately gives up and turns the lights on but it's not even a question something's clearly going on I going to say as a blanket policy, no tsunami videos before bed.
Just like blanket. I agree.
I think that's a great rule. You don't even have to be in Thailand.
A great rule. No tsunami videos before bedtime.
A great rule. We've had a lot of pushback on our accent critique of Jason Isaac, specifically.
I'm loving it, as you know. And Mike White said that he based the Ratliff's on Bravo's Southern Charm.
And we got a bunch of emails of people sending specifically Tom Ravenel from Southern Charm. Never seen a second of Southern Charm.
Me neither. But it is pretty on the nose.
And this guy was a disgraced politician and Charleston playboy, Tom Ravenel. So apparently it's a certain, Dave was telling me about it today when I did the thing with him.
It's a certain Southern draw. Yeah.
But there's like a weird British piece to it. Right.
And that's what Isaac said too. That there were like vowels that sound British.
I will say I still stand by immediately being a bit British last week. But I think either my ear is getting used to it or I'm convinced by all of the millions of emails we got about it.
It's a big passion point for the cast, I think, that they actually spent an incredible amount of time figuring this out. So I don't think it's as simple as if it was a Boston or a Rhode Island accent, where I would just be like, that's not right.
You did it incredibly. I find it very compelling to listen to him talk.
Very compelling indeed. So on Tsunami Corner.
Yeah. Well, certainly they played the card this episode.
That's for sure. But it, so, okay.
By the way, they said it was at the next resort over. That's right.
Yeah. The fact that the structure of the season opens in the future.
And then we go back one week to watch the season, I think eliminates the prospect of an actual tsunami. However, it's an emotional tsunami.
No, no, no, no. However, it's eight episodes.
Right. And we think we're only doing a week.
Yeah. So is that last episode after whatever happens? Or just ends with a tsunami? Everyone just gets wiped out? Except Naomi Watts, who manages to hold on to a piece of glass.
And Tom Holland. Yeah.
Oh, man. Well, at the family breakfast, we get stuff like...
Dude, these breakfasts look great. The fruit.
I have never seen such lush colors. I love a melon, though.
I'm just deeply compelled. This is why Mallory and I can't be on White Lotus.
In this breakfast, we getting stuff like dreams might not predict the future but they're a window into something. Yeah.
Mallory and I would just be like where's the half and half? We just wouldn't be coherent for like a half hour until the coffee kicks in. These people are just having full philosophical conversations.
Rick is ready to run a con before his first caffeinated company. What do you think of Rick sniffing a muffin phrasing right before he went over to talk to them? My favorite thing that happens at breakfast actually is Kate is talking to Lori's like kind of background.
Kate's like, do you think I could do something like this at home? And Lori's like, you got nothing but time. Nothing but time.
You don't have a job. Oh my God.
What do you have to do? You got nothing but time. Probably the best backhand of the series so far.
It's a really tough one. The dad's unraveling.
Can't stop looking at his phone. We find out the FBI is in his office with a warrant.
Time to shred. I wrote down this is a pretty great my life is falling apart in slow motion it's fantastic sequence for a TV show that I can't remember who else did anything like this I think we've seen similar things on some of the big prestige anti-hero shows but it's never what is delicious about this is he's overseas and there's nothing he can do about it.
He's helped. He's in a different time zone overseas.
So it's not like he can go into the office or have like a Cokie car chase. The helicopters are coming like good fellas moment.
Right. He has to like, he's trying to pretend to his family that everything's fine.
And if he goes back to handle it, then he has to fess up that it's happening. It's the blessing and the curse.
He's complaining about the time zone, how hard it is to get in touch with people. But it does allow him to delay the inevitable now for just a few more days and pretend that his life is not over, which it is.
In terms of the nature of the life that he is used to living, the kind of life that they are accustomed to, that's done, right? He is a financial criminal. Well, think about him in the first episode where he's like this aggro, like just, I've seen this guy on a TV show and then by the end of the third episode, he's a sleeping pill, chugging fucking maniac.
I was going to say, has anyone ever come back from the upshot of a shower? That's a good point. Who survived the shower cam shot? I don't think so.
Yeah, nobody. That's why Isaac's front leaderboard for Emmys for me, because it's the difference between— Well, now that you've apologized about your feelings on his accent.
I don't know that I apologize. She acknowledged that there's a different opinion out there, but acknowledged the other side.
She did not apologize. I have learned something.
So you go Isaac, Emmy corner, number one right now. Over Goggins? Yes, right now so far.
I feel like Goggins will win the season at the end. I think Goggins is...
But I think... Goggins has shown more stuff already in three episodes.
He's done... I don't know.
I think between the shout... Like, surveying his domain in episode one and Shower Shot in episode three, Isaacs has, like, gone really far.
Goggins also, like, Grifter Goggins showing up here versus. What about Snake Goggins? Snake release Goggins? Astonishing stuff.
I thought the single best acting moment, to your point, that we have seen through three episodes so far was the look on Jason Isaac's face when he pulled Saxon out to have the come here son talk. I want to circle back at some point to the actual genuine and I thought really sincerely alarming rage we saw from Saxon when he was yelling about how Piper.
Maybe we don't need to circle back to it. That's just like, let's note that.
That was actually scary. Oh, that Piper always gets her way? Yeah, the level of real anger that he was capable of generating very quickly there.
but that's just like, let's note that, that was actually scary. Oh, that Piper always gets her way? Yeah, the level of like real anger

that he was capable of generating

very quickly there.

But that look on Jason Isaacs,

on Tim's face when Saxon said like,

I love working with you.

I get to learn so much from you.

That fleeting, shattered expression

that he had failed his family so deeply.

And the, like, they put him on a pedestal, perhaps wrongly,

but to have to confront the fact that that's over,

that that is about to be over,

that the way his family sees him is going to change.

Do you think there's the potential for any kind of, like,

actual growth from Tim?

Because what he says to Saxton in that moment, right,

is he says, we both know how gratifying work is,

but there's got to be more to life than just success.

If we leave room for them to develop,

then we'll have more to offer,

which is not something Tim Ratliff of episode one,

whatever have said.

When they were talking to Pam about like him,

the father-son working together,

he's like, yeah, we love working together.

It's great.

And so like him saying it can't all be work, knowing that everything's going to fall apart for them back home, that's like a forced spiritual development inside of Tim Ratliff. My fear is that even if he goes on that emotional journey, his family will not meet him there.
That Victoria will say, that is not what I want from you. So I interpreted it completely different than you.
The Tim Ratliff and the son. I think the whole thing, it's like, this is the classic yeah, you're going to take over the business but the son really has nothing to do.
He said multiple times. Yeah, I don't have a lot going on.
I'm like, yeah, but the office needs me and it made him feel important. Oh yeah, I think I'm so impressed by you.
You're going to have a phenomenal career is not. That also means true.
He says, you're going to have a phenomenal career. I can see it.
I know it. There's literally no evidence other than that your son's a jackass.
But if all of this father-son stuff feels really fake and like I had this company, my son, whatever, I'm going to shoehorn him in and nip. And it's funny because he's nipple-babying.
Oh, there's the meta commentary. It's delicious.
But Patrick Schwarzenegger, who we talked about, and that kind of became a little bit of a story this week with the nipple-baby thing. I just think he's really good.
Honestly, he's great. Both he and Sim Nivola, who are both nipple-babies, are really, really good.
And as we talked about in a previous episode, he's half Arnold, who's a performer and a charismatic guy. It makes sense to me he would be a good actor.
He's also partially Kennedy, so that's something to remember. I think on that front and what I see for you and your future, obviously part of it is he's trying to distract everybody, right? Yeah.
There's a tactic at play there, but everything that's great in any White Lotus season, there's more than one thing happening in tandem. And like, it felt to me very keenly there that he was confronting the fact that he had failed his family, not just in terms of what he had done, but in preparing them for a different kind of life.
But he's like, I actually did allow you to think that it was okay to be entitled and just sit there and like not be prepared to build your own, for hardship. Your own reality.
But the son has no insight in the business was the thing that became clear. But he loves to work.
But he loves to work cool like if we were all hanging out doing like a ringer retreat and the whole day i was just on my phone freaking out and you were like can i help can i help and i was just like yeah like there there's some sort of power move with that that it's like you you i don't even want to discuss what's going on here with the but that's that why the son, he's got some fake office on the side

and he's not doing anything.

I really agree.

Can I ask you a question

about the naming?

Do you think,

so Lachlan,

like,

is such a rare name

that I immediately thought

of Lachlan Murdoch,

right?

Oh.

Saxon is the name

of one of Elon Musk's kids.

I see.

I think all this shit's intentional.

And I was trying to find

the famous Piper.

Piper Palin

is the best I could do. Oh my God.
But I couldn't. I just think Piper Ratliff sounds like the perfect rich kid name.
Oh, the whole family is impeccably named. All the kids.
Although we did call him Saxton with a T for half of one episode. Did we? We? I think Joanna started it.
I might have said it once. I won't.
We accept plan. Well, we also have Lockie shows the data tsunami video, and Saxon got a blender.
That was our big things with the Radliffs. Thanks, Pam.
Just another incredible Pam team. Nobody's been more excited to get a blender.
He's fucking jacked. Incredible.
Pam is ready to help him blend that. She was going to make the smoothie.
She wasn't just delivering the blender. She's like, what milk do we want? Yeah.
How much of this creatine powder are you going to put in there? Okay. I think Pam is in the running for most underrated performance of the season.
I love Pam. Incredible.
She's perfect at that. Okay.
Since the beginning, how wonderful for you. How wonderful for you.
When she looks in the bag. Yeah.
This isn't even that much. Right.
Karen. When she has a stare down of him, like, are you going to put your phone in there? That was great.
You know? So I had some nitpicks with that. Okay.
What do you got? People didn't turn off their phones. First thing you're doing is turning off the phone.
Oh, yeah. I think Tim.
Not just so it's turned off, but also like for the battery. Tim powered Saxons down, right? That's what he was doing.
He was using like a 2012 Samsung. He's.
I don't know what phone that was, but not only it was not an iPhone, but it wasn't. I don't know what that was.
Should we be worried about the iPhone rule then? I was, yeah. What's the iPhone rule? According to Rian Johnson, Apple told him.
Can't let a bad guy. That you can't let a bad guy use an iPhone.
So, and that has, that has cropped up in shows before. So is he the gunman? Yeah.
Does he get his hand on a gun somehow? Does he try to do something desperate? Oh, the feds come shoot out with the dad? Or he just can't stand any of them having to face the reality of what has happened here. Dark.
Very dark. Conceedingly grim.
Yeah. I just want to say there's no scenario where i give up my phone for five days no i mean of course literally none well okay there's no vacation scenario that exists where i would be like yep no phone five days but do you think he i don't believe he has given up his phone for five days so then my question is when he goes to find it what else does he stumble upon like i feel like he's going to break into some office and try to get that phone back.
Oh, Cam. I know.
And then what else is he going to stumble upon? Oh, Mal, I like this. So he breaks in, but then there's something else in there.
Maybe Guy Talk shoots him because he thinks it's another hotel robbery? Oh. Oh, my gosh.
I'm just really worried about it. Is it Guy Talk or Gay Talk? Was I saying that wrong? I think it's Guy Talk.
I think it's's Gaitak. We were all saying it wrong.
All of us were saying it wrong. I mean.
Gaitak. Sitala.
Sitala. Sitala.
Sitala. I call her the matron.
Sitala. Well, we had Goggins, the matron.
Oh my God, this was remarkable. And my guy, Fabian, who is maybe my new favorite.
Actually heartbreaking. I have a guy in Bangkok.
You're going to be in Bangkok? Yeah. Would you love a meeting? I didn't even think that this was a particularly good con from Rick.
He's like making faces of dismay as he is luring her into his trap. But the fact that Fabian is at the table, first of all, we get that very emotional, quick little moment where he's like opening up, right? Before Rick interrupts and he's like, this was not- The arts were not encouraged in my home.
Yeah. And then he's interrupted and thwarted.
But he does not like Rick. No.
When they came off the boat in the first episode, Rick was like, fuck all of you. I'm not going to engage in your little welcome ritual.
So the fact that he's there witnessing that felt very purposeful. Fabian's very on his.
And very protective of S, but like the finding out that he has been mispronouncing her name, as I'm sure I am in my own way, but he was just like, I'm sorry, it's what? I know. I'm going to keep calling her the matron.
That's fine. But like Fabian.
I feel like I'm in the right group for this question. So Aries and a Scorpio? Did either of you have thoughts on this? I obviously

loved the conversation between Chelsea and Rick there,

which was iconic. How bit of a horoscope person are you?

When I tell you I've never

consumed one or

thought about it once in my life.

I feel like Joanna could be stealth, but I know nothing about it.

Could be stealth in a tiny bit.

I would not be able to weigh in on

this. I'm always

jealous of the horoscope people. I feel like they do have this extra perspective.
I know my sign and what that means about me. What's your sign? I'm Libra, which I'm like a classic Libra apparently.
I'm a Virgo. What does that do? Couldn't tell you.
Okay. I literally have no idea.
Virgo. Absolutely no idea.
Very susceptible to germs. Yeah, probably.
I'll ask Chelsea what she does. A lot of Postmates orders.

What's a classic Libra according to you?

Creative and passionate.

That's us.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

How wonderful for you.

How wonderful for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the thing about these horror,

like I miss being whatever the next one was

by like a day.

Okay.

Oh.

It was like one of those.

Or maybe like I was a day into,

it could have been like one day earlier, all of a sudden I'm like been a verbo our birthdays are a week apart we're different signs look at that i was also year of the cock in the chinese food menu i feel like i'm here the cock in the chinese menu there you go that's bill you're the cock libra i was cosmically meant to podcast with you so unlike ch unlike Chelsea and Rick, you two are podcasting soulmates because your signs are compatible. The fancies get off for time with the energy healer, which they steer toward our girl Carrie Coon.
Jacqueline is pushing Lori. So what's her game plan? She just wants Lori to get laid? I like, I don't understand why she pushed in this so hard.
I thought this was a fascinating, obviously in general, fascinating episode for the Cougars, but a particularly fascinating Jacqueline-Laurie episode where I felt more, what struck me as authentic affection between the two of them in this episode than between any other pairing in the triangle at any point but loaded and charged as always with all of the undercurrents of something less savory and the fact that do you think that connection is because in terms of this trust triangle when it gets to like what unites us what divides us kate dropping the like i voted for right they're genuinely united in something that feels like rooted in identity and like k Kate is on the outside of that. But even like when they looked at each other, when they were doing yoga, there was like the giggle.
That just felt like friendship to me in a real true way. But.
I agree. Jacqueline egging Laurie on here couldn't help the like, but you're the single one.
It's not like just go for it and get laid and have an orgasm and have a great weekend.

It's like I have to remind you that you're the only one who's not in a relationship right now.

And I can get him for you.

Yes.

Like I'm doing the flirting for you.

I will facilitate this to make you happy.

I am in a committed relationship, but it's still my allure that's getting you closer to this guy.

Speaking of allure, I would like to just spend a couple moments on Valentin's thigh tattoo, which I thought was extraordinary. Are you going to get a thigh tattoo? Deeply compelled.
Not since recent in the Court of Thorns and Roses series. Who knew we were going to bring that up? Above me tattoos been quite so compelling.
Really something. Wow.
Would you get a lot of us

stuck tattoo?

I would not personally,

but I did.

I loved the way

they all looked at it

and looked at each other

and you could just like feel the,

you didn't need an energy healer

to feel the energy

in that moment.

My goodness.

Did you know that there's like

a huge Russian population

in Thailand?

No.

Yeah.

They were like,

so.

I'm going to add that

to my con list.

When they're talking, when they're talking to Valentin, they're like, like oh you came here before the war and he was like yeah but like when the Russia-Ukraine war broke out Russia was persona non grata like the Russian citizens could not fly to so many countries and Thailand was like come here and so it was a massive influx of Russians in Thailand. More plots.
Yeah. Handscapes.
So we're calling it Guy Talk now? Guy Talk. Okay.
And Mook? Mook. FanDuel Parlay, where they'll do this with sports bets, where they'll be like, you can have Saquon Barkley and somebody else to score a touchdown.
And if one of them scores, you win the bet. I would do that with Guy Talk and Mook.
So you don't believe in Starcross lovers? This is not the Mike White universe that I inhabit. Here's a follow-up question.
This is Rob Mahoney's take on Guy Talk. He thinks he's like a creep.
I don't get that vibe off of him, but like... Rob's got good radar for this stuff.
I don't know. That might be a good take.
He's a a creep. I don't get that vibe off of him, but like Rob's on a limb.
Rob's got good radar for this stuff. I don't know.
That might be a good take. Rob has good creep radar? Yeah.
That's a tough one there for Rob. He's got nothing but time.
No, that's a compliment. I was compelled by that argument.
It's hard to step out of the creeps. It's true.
Yeah. That was not how it struck me.
I have found them through three episodes incredibly sweet and winning as a potential couple. And I am filled with trepidation and fear, but hope they will be okay and live a long, happy life together.
Seems unlikely, but hopefully. But when Rob said that, it was in my mind watching in this episode.
She shows up, and he runs out, and he wants to tell her that someone called him brave. And look how big and strong I am.
Would you go? Would you leave the island if you came with me? It was, I didn't change my read on it, but I see why Rob is clocked in that way. Yeah, he's not pinging my creep radar, but like, you've been saying this from the front, that you were worried that he was going to try to show off.
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. I just want to say creep radar would be an incredible podcast.
Creep radar with Rob Mahoneyoney? Just Creep Radar once a week. It's like, all right, Creep Radar.
Let's get that going right now. Here we go.
Let's dive into Patrick Schwarzenegger. I'm voting no.
Can I just say? Not a creep. It's an incredible time for Creep Radar.
Oh my gosh. Creep Radar.
Creep everywhere. Yeah.
Fodder appointee. Post-COVID Creep Apex.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, now you have to explain what Apex Mountain is again.
Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
Lockie in Saxon by the pool. Oh, man.
Makes them drink the energy drink. Says, don't you want the big dogs to respect you? You want to be neurotic your whole life and end up a virgin? Oh, is this where I get to talk? Go ahead.
Okay. Where are you on this? Nora.
Prince Yanni, the best. Legend.
Texted me and said she was in on my Saxon is a virgin thing. Nailed it.
I mean, we don't know. I don't know what her virgin radar is, but she says she introduced me to a term that is gym cell, which I had never heard before.
Gym cell. An incel who likes to hit the gym.
Yeah. Jim Cell.
Incredible stuff. That's great.
That sounds like another Ringer podcast. Shout out to Nora.
Jim Cell Corner. Nora should host Jim Cell Corner.
Jim Cell was really good. Talk to her about it.
Okay. Jim Cell.
Saxon saying out loud to Lockie, die a fucking virgin, is the first time I considered that you might be right. Wow, I have seduced you to monkey shootout.
You have made a monkey shootout. I still say, I just think, I think this guy has fucked a lot of people.
And is not a virgin. Do you want to say on camera what you texted me about? I just think you and Nora have more faith in the undergraduate populace

than I do.

I think Saxon has had

a lot of sex.

But again,

I don't think he's very good at it

or particularly adept at it

or has a feel

for what other people enjoy about it.

And probably has not had

a second time

with any of his partners.

A lot of one and dones?

Oh yeah, certainly.

I do think though

something is poised to happen there

with him pursuing Chloe. Oh, for sure.
Is he going to try to enlist Chloe for Lockie? Are he and Chloe going to hook up? I agree. Greg and Greg Gary is going to try to harm him.
Oh, I like that you use Greg Gary. Thank you.
Been trying to get that going all podcast. Again, he's still going to have just gone with Michael.
Do you think that Saxon is going to use his like pec flex trick to seal the deal with Chloe? That was great. Hyper clocking that he was doing.
That was so funny to me. He had a great laugh in this scene when, I don't know, I just, I really enjoyed Patrick Schwarzenegger.
When she called him a douche, I hear you're a douche. And he just says, ha, ha, ha.
But it was like genuine. I don't know.
I think he's doing a good job. He down with Chloe oh yeah they're clocking each other therapy session really quick I've done a lot of bad things I've made a lot of mistakes says his father was murdered I can't get my life back maybe I can still get some satisfaction how did you interpret this Joe again I feel like this is a this is a make or break moment for Rick.
He is locked into this vengeance plan. It seems like he doesn't see a future for himself.
He feels like he has no future, but if he can get vengeance. Which is sad because we all like Chloe.
Chelsea. Chelsea.
I know. That's the whole thing.
Can you see what's right in front? Yeah, Chelsea's cool. You guys are fine, Rick.
Chelsea, who's still having dinner with you despite you getting her snake bit. Right.
Totally forgave him immediately. They're at dinner that night.
Wild stuff. Yeah, like the fact that he says, I can't get my life back.
I mean, I'm sure that that feels really true to him. Sawyer also can't go back to Australia.
It's giving Sawyer. It's giving Sawyer.
Do you know what the snake show made me think of? Justified season four. I was thinking about that too.
Yeah. Yeah.
Goggins with the snakes in Justified season four. Well, there's some deep shit going on with him.
He's not allowing himself to get his life back, right? He feels like he's stuck in a cage. Yeah.
Sometimes people can just feel like they're broken and that's it. And they're just like, I've now latched on to my brokenness and that's just the way I am.
And he keeps saying he doesn't want to go to these sessions, but he immediately opens up and shares when he's there with Amarita. The best moment of the episode was Chelsea's like, please help him.
Yeah. Please help him.
And Amarisa really wants, Amarisa thinks she can help him. Is there an, okay this is this is gonna be my running bit if i remember to do this did you use the character's name sometimes i do no that was really impressive the therapist which she's saying amarita yeah yeah i don't know any character's name it takes me like four episodes that's great because i feel like sometimes i just use character's name people have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'm for the common people. When I podcast with you, you're like, you know, the blonde ladies.
I'm calling Carrie Coon. Yeah.
I mean, it was seven seasons into Game of Thrones. You were still texting us like the blonde one.
Tall lady. Yeah.
Well, do you think if this whole theme of the season is not just drugs but also also spiritual awakening. Who is that available to?

Who's going to have the Nirvana moment

here, or is it available to anyone?

Is it available to Rick?

Chelsea already seems pretty enlightened to me.

Rick's probably our best hope. I hope so.

The daughter. Oh, Piper.

Yeah.

I just did it again. I didn't call her by her name.

I thought it was the daughter.

But you knew what I was saying instinctively.

But we know she has a big appointment on Friday.

She sure does. Boy, that was a tense moment.

Well,

Thank you. Yeah.
I just did it again. I didn't call her by her name.
I called her the daughter. But you knew what I was saying instinctively.
Piper feels like she's— But we know she has a big appointment on Friday. She sure does.
Boy, that was a tense moment. Was she going to be able to get that scheduled before they had to depart? She only had six months of the tripping plan to figure out— Wait, but this is a big reveal from Piper because she wants to do a program.
Which is not what— For a year. For a year.
Her family knows nothing about her life. They think she's there for a thesis interview, and she's there.
Smart move by her to get away from the rat lifts that's what I quite agree right now especially it's like oh my close relationships with my brother who asked me about my sex life oh my god my date rapey older brother my crazy mother and my dad who's just completely unraveling I'm gonna stay here I'm gonna go to Thailand for a year yeah great great strategy great strategy for Piper. But Piper feels like we're like meeting her where we left other characters at the end of a Lotus season, like Quinn at the end of season one.
iPad Quinn? iPad Quinn just wanted to crank it on the beach and then it's like, let me look at this whale instead. Let me talk about a character on an arc.
Yeah. My God.
And so- Crank it on the beach. And now he's in Gladiator too.
It's like C.R. on the beach.
Exactly like C.R. on the beach.
But, you know, he had to work toward a desire to commune with nature and run away from the drama and his family. And like, Piper's there already.
Yeah. So her committing to that in full feels like very imbalanced.
But I think Rick feels like a good candidate for the journey of some sort of awakening. Like, I don't actually want to live my life the way I've been living it.
When he had that line about the snakes and how like treating evil things that way only makes them more evil, that applies to everybody in the show so far, but certainly applies to him. He's got to like free himself from that.
The thing about White Lotus is that sometimes people leave White Lotus enlightened. And sometimes people leave White Lotus trapped in the same toxic relationship as when they got there.
Or state of mind. And sometimes they leave because they fell off the boat, lay it on their head, and drowned.
It's another way to go. Energy session with Lori, and then we also had the corrective posture session with Lockie.

So I really spent a lot of time thinking about this.

And it was going to be a Google deep dive.

Maybe I'll do it this week.

The defensive position.

Left foot on your knee.

You're protecting yourself with your female side.

I don't know if this is true.

Sometimes I have a bad back.

Sometimes it's easier for me to throw a foot on one leg or the other like we do the live podcast i gotta keep my ipad up so i don't know i immediately got defensive i got in a defensive sitting posture listening to him talk about posture okay so now i don't want to do that rabbit hole but do you guys believe in defensive postures i know this is defensive if you do this that's I do that sometimes. And if I ever register that I'm doing it, I put my arms down.
Because I know what it gives off. I would also sit in a defensive posture if that were my family.
Fair. Which is basically what he says.
Are there defensive standing postures? Probably. I think like a hunch of any kind.
Just like protecting your belly sort of, you know, sort of like're vulnerable you're vulnerable your soft bits well the guy basically said Lockheed sat like a loser that was his therapy session it's like everything you're doing isn't working buddy I really like that it connects to the question you're asking people pleaser you're a people pleaser I like this with a feminine side just wants to hear who's struggling with his sexuality But like that's why he was not ready for that because exactly It wasn't just about okay we're going to teach you to sit up straight Like this isn't a therapy session And he was not prepared for it though obviously all of these characters have quite a bit to To work through so Can we go back to Chloe for a second? I was just about to dive into her Talking about Tanya? Yeah I she thinks greg's wife killed herself by walking in the ocean which by the way if somebody said that what happened to your ex-wife committed suicide by walking to an ocean and all they found was part of her leg which is untrue correct i went back and re-watched i mean you re-watched it more recently but i was like i feel whole body, which we do. We see her whole body.
But also, why would he tell her anything? This is the thing. This is like such sloppy shit from Greg Gary.
Can't bother to really change her name. Greg and Gary, are we fucking for real? Come on.
Bill has been suggesting Mitchell. It was right there.
You're still dining at a White Lotus. Yeah.
Belinda identifies you and goes up to you. Everybody at, I know now, I'm moving from the Chloe, Chelsea conversation about what Chloe has learned to the dinner confrontation, the beach barbecue confrontation with Belinda, but it's all in the brew, right? Like, brew.
The fact that everybody at that table heard Tanya's name, like, now they just have to Google that and they know who Greg is.

Like first name and last name.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And Rick's been like

clocking him.

Absolutely.

This and that.

Like it's a fellow

con man who's not

very good at being

a con man.

I mean good enough

to get the money.

Yeah.

But it's his fault

because he's staying

out of the way Lotus.

Absolutely.

We covered that

last episode.

But like who's going

to use what they learn

as leverage

in that scenario?

Right.

Or what is Belinda?

Belinda does not seem convinced

by this.

No.

So.

So,

I thought that was

the best acting of the show.

Belinda's response to Greg?

No, Greg Gary's

kind of

very hidden double take

where he's like,

you could just see

for like a split second

his eyes bulging out and then he is really good in this season. Then he got his shit together.
But his like, you could just see for like a split second, his eyes bulging out. John Dries is really good in this season.
Then he got his shit together. But his like predatory, like sort of scoping out the restaurant, looking at Saxon to your point.
But I think something that's really important about Chloe talking about Tanya and Belinda talking about Tanya and all of this other stuff is there's this batshit theory floating around with love and respect to everyone who believes in this theory that this was like a prequel. What? Yeah, because they were like, maybe this is before he met Tanya.
Maybe this is before Belinda met Tanya. There were a bunch of people who thought this was like a – I think people have been watching too much Severance and or Westworld.
Like they thought it was a prequel season, but it's clearly not. No, it's clearly not.
I have a Greg Gary present for you guys. Let's see.
Just me and a few simple laws of geometry. Yeah, and a growing pile of 20.
Icing on the cake. It's the best high in the world.
Oh, believe me, it's not the best high in the world., believe me It's not the best high in the world That's like 30 plus years ago Just don't trust Greg Gary When you see him in anything John Grease Lost Don't trust him on Lost Has he ever been trustworthy ever? Napoleon Dynamite Uncle Rico Good call Good call That's the one Yeah, that's good one Chelsea and Rick get high And go to a snake show How'd you feel about this. That's the one.
Yeah, that's the one.

Chelsea and Rick get high and go to a snake show.

How'd you feel about this?

This was the weirdest sequence in the show.

I was very distressed through this whole sequence.

It couldn't have possibly ended well, right? I think the answer to this for pretty much everybody is no, but do you guys like snakes?

Because I don't like snakes.

I'm not opposed to a little corn snake. There's some cute little snakes that exist.
But if they've got... You draw the line at Vassalisk.
If it's got poisonous fangs or a rattle, it's a no for me. It's a no for me.
Snake show? I'm not going. I would not be going to the snake show.
Snake show is an immediate no thank you. No, it's a no.
So Rick is doing a little bit of the Arbats, a little bit of the Sawyer from Lost, and a little bit of the Harry freeing the snake before he knows he can speak parcel time. Do you think he speaks parcel time? This was, okay, here's my question for you guys about the snake freeing.
And great, obviously, that Chelsea just confronts him at the end and is like, Rick, you freed a bunch of venomous snakes today. Like, this is not a normal thing.
I love that. Yeah.
She's the best. What do you think the lesson is? What is the show's message to us? I think this is the...
Because Rick does this and then something bad happens. This is the Calm Before the Storm episode, literally, because they're going on a boat.
Mm-hmm. And I think this was just establishing snake fire and tsunami.
I think they're trying to tell us all bets are off. But also Chelsea nearly dying twice is important.
Yeah. One way or another.
Because there's something about what Rick is doing here that feels noble and good. He's like, they're trapped.
They're not free. I see myself in that.
That's like a good moment of introspection and also he is trying to do something like helpful and in theory good and chelsea almost dies but these are two pretty dramatic vacation events like if you went on a vacation you'd be like hear about what happened to mal in thailand she was in a store and there was a huge robbery and she almost got shot like oh my god yeah and it's like she went to a snake show. She went to a snake show.
She got bit by a snake. And I was like, absolutely not.
I did not go to a snake show. But like, those are two crazy things to happen.
Unless it's a different kind of snake show, right? Exactly. Yeah.
Exactly. Great stuff.
When Chloe's like, maybe you just shouldn't come on the boat. Okay, wait.
Right. Did you hear when the fancies, as Bill is calling them, were checking on Valentin, there was like hardcore moaning on the soundtrack.
The musical accompaniment. And same with Chloe and Saxon.
Yeah. Like, they're putting like pornographic moaning on the soundtrack of this show.
Yes, I did notice. Okay, just making sure.

Well, Chelsea got bit.

That was a very well done tense scene.

When you see the snake

behind her.

Just all the snakes.

I was like, oh God,

I'm not enjoying this.

But, you know,

it was definitely weird.

Rick got one of the

sleeping pills.

Rick seemed...

Not Rick.

Rick seemed genuinely upset.

Sure.

We were constantly questioning,

like, does Rick actually care about Chelsea at all?

Right?

And when she's going to the hospital, he seems, like, desperate to follow her.

He was also upset after the robbery.

Yeah.

Tim ate a sleeping pill.

There's a double date with Greg Gary.

He's inviting everyone on the boat tomorrow.

And then the fancy cougar dinner.

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Carrie Coon hasn't been touched by a man like that in some time. Hasn't been not touched.
Hasn't been not touched by a man like that in some time. Great stuff.
But here's what we learned about Leslie Bibb's character. What's her name on the show? Kate.
Kate. Not a new age person.
No. No.
She's a church going Texas lady. Yep.
She voted for Trump. She voted for Trump.
There's no question. You're not putting it out.
Did you vote for Trump? Well? She's like, do we really want to talk about Trump? We're really going to talk about Trump today. Again, this like silent smile thing she does, I think is like killer.
Silent, smiling, MAGA, conservative Texas lady. What I think was so smart about what they did is they did a little bait and switch with us.
When they put her in Austin, you're like, oh, Austin. Sure.
And then she's like, a little blue haven. A little blue bubble in Texas.
And then she's like, oh, no. The contrast in her facial expression at that table where she's like evasive and also challenging a little bit of the contention that they're bringing.
And then the face when she's alone, when there's no one sitting at the table, when she's watching them. Each of them now has, in every episode near the end, has observed the other two talking about them.
It's the no-trust triangle. Totally.
Jacoby. And she looked completely crestfallen, not only to know that they thought this about her, but to see herself through their eyes.
I actually thought this was my favorite scene in the episode. Yeah.
I love their reactions. Oh my God.
Yeah. They're like, because now we're going back to, we all grew up together.
I thought we would all think the same about everything. It's like, clearly this lady's a lot different than you two.
Yeah. And they haven't seen each other in a long time.
And their accusation is that she has molded her personality to fit her husband. And also- Which seems true.
My favorite moment. Husband sounds great.
Sounds like a fun hang. I'd love to go to a Cowboys game with him.
King of Austin, Dave. Yeah.
Sounds like a connected dude. My favorite moment.
Wish we'd seen him last week in Texas. Couldn't take this out.
My favorite moment is when Kate is like, you would know that if you came to visit me. And they're like, can't wait to get down there.
I really want to come. Yeah.
There's no chance. That's so funny.
That was great. Let's start planning that Austin trip.
No. This is a big thing to not know about somebody that you repeatedly say out loud is your closest lifelong friend.
Well. Right.
All right. So what are the lessons? They don't really talk that much.
They're not in touch with... It's probably like some tech stuff.

How you doing, honey?

So good.

Saw that Instagram photo.

You look so great.

It's like all surface fake shit.

Yeah, yeah. Your kids look great.

I get the Christmas card every year,

something like that.

I thought it was weird

that you were all wearing red hats,

but whatever, it's fine.

Baseball caps instead of Santa hats.

Odd choice.

Inside the trust triangle, I think what's really interesting interesting inside the patented Jacoby trust triangle is like what what are the strongest bonds of identity that you can have right and it's like Lori and Kate are moms who have been married and divorced for a long time and Jacqueline doesn't get that or you know Jacqueline and Kate have wealth and status yeah have good plastic surgeons you know what I mean and then like but then there's this like Trump voter thing and the Trump voter thing I thought was really interesting because first of all this was made before they knew what the outcome of the election was so like how does this how does this scene play they were editing it during the election but like right this scene existed So how is it going to play if there was a different outcome? You know, all of that. And then also I thought it was interesting to make the Trump part explicit here versus in White Lotus season two when they were talking about voting.
They were like, you know, the couple, Theo James and stuff like that. Like, do you even vote was this sort of conversation they were having.
We don't watch the news. But that's like a more nebulous version of this, like, wait, you didn't vote for Trump, did you? Right.
I loved how they did it because it wasn't necessarily political, but it was about how something like this is such a great little window into the fact that the three of them don't really know each other. Yeah, I thought, I mean, it did feel political, but it felt social.
It felt like it touched all aspects of life. Like, yeah, they're coasting on nostalgia, right? Now, I think in some ways there's something true and kind of nice about that.
Like the deepest or longest lasting friendships in your life. Sometimes you do go a really long time without seeing or talking to somebody.
And the sign that it's a friendship you can count on forever is that that's okay you can always just pick right back up and maybe there are things you don't know about each other but like oh you don't know that i became like or that i have a gluten intolerance is like that bucket you don't know that i have a deeply like distinct political and moral philosophy.

Or she could have pulled out a giant thing of cocaine and just started

banging it out. And they would have been like,

whoa, you're doing that now?

It's on that level of, I didn't realize

you're this now.

That's how I take it.

But cocaine is like a habit.

This is like a belief

sort of thing.

Or it's a habit, the same way cocaine is. Where it's like, I'm in Texas.
All right, cool. I'm bumping churches.
Yeah, I'm bumping churches. Well, I'm curious if you guys, if it struck you guys this way too, like it almost felt like the judgment.
I think, yes, if she's like, yes, I voted for Trump. Why are you saying that? And why do you think that's bad? And here's my defense of it.
She's like, I like Theovan. They would have said, we're horrified.
How could you do that as a woman? All of the things that they say. But it felt like the more active judgment was like, is this what she believes? It's the chameleonic.
That's certainly what Laurie and Jacqueline were talking about when they were whispering. That's what the whispers later.
She always just does whatever Dave does Dave does. It's a classic Julia Roberts runaway.
Dave sounds amazing. Could Dave be showing up to Thailand? Who would you want to have played it? I mean, it's Jon Hamm sitting right there.
I don't know how many shows he can pop into at the same time. Oh my God.
A little hammy. Can just roll over from the hospital bed in Fort Worth.
Right, just right up. Pull the plugs out.
Right up to Austin for a FaceTime. want like Buddy Garrity oh you know what I mean that would be exceptional McConaughey that would also be great that would be wonderful anyway I love this scene Belinda who for the most part was a snore fest with her scenes until she decided I'm going to go see if that's actually Greg.
And she's probably going to get, I think she's in the murder rankings. I think that it doesn't feel safe to confront Greg Gary at dinner this way.
But she doesn't know, but he doesn't know what she doesn't know. That makes sense.
This almost feels like it would be too cruel of a thing for White Lotus to do. Is White Lotus just a show about Greg Gary going around the world killing women? Is that what this show is? That's where they landed on.
Doing the interview today, I forgot how haphazardly they put together season one. Sure was basically make us a show on COVID yeah make a show on COVID

they're still figuring out

the show as they're doing it

they have to go back

and refilm

some of the ending

and

they assume it's a

one and done

right

and then

by episode

by season three now

this is like

this show might be on

eight seasons

like so

yeah

Greg Gary becoming

like the serial killer

of White Lotus

like I'm not against it

John Grace is like sign me up where do I get to go next the three-peat killer of White Lotus? I'm not against it. John Grace is like, sign me up.
Where do I get to go next? The three-peat star of White Lotus. That's true.
He's the only one. Yeah, he is the only one.
Yeah. I think he's clearly alarmed to have been clocked, right? Alarmed to have been made and going to try to ensure that Belinda does not out him.
So then my question becomes, what is the counterweight to that? Does he better on the boat? No, certainly not. What if she finds out day of, it's like, we're all going on the boat, you should come.
I don't think she wants to be around him. She has a freaked out feeling.
This is part of what the spooky sound in my room is evoking. It's just a sense of unease, right? She's like, what is that spooky sound in her room? I don't know.
A snake? A monkey? It might have been Greg Gary in the closet. It could be.
It definitely could be. Guy talk, is he getting fired? No.
We have that plot. No.
That plot's looming. But they are going to say, you can't let something like this happen again.
And then he's going to be like, I have to. Yeah, I have to make sure.
We have Saxon going on the yacht, hopefully having sex with Chloe, which I'll enjoy that whole subplot. We've done sex on a yacht on White Lotus before, Porsche and Jack last season.
So what you're saying is you cannot wait for Saxon to have sex with Chloe on the yacht. That is your number one.
And Greg Gary to find out and be pissed off. I'm also excited for this.
Yachts are always, boats of any sort, big settings on White Lotus. This is where Tanya could not finish pouring the ashes or mother's ashes into the ocean in season one.
I would say yachts are the single most important property in any HBO show. Certainly Succession.
It's been the MVP in Succession. Succession, Sopranos, which you didn't watch.
The Game of Thrones, did they have yachts in the 1300s or no? They did. They had some yachts.
There's a famous boat sex scene in Game of Thrones. Very famous.
Very famous boat sex scene. Some incest.
Then White Lotus. We've had multiple yacht stuff.
We had the cliffhanger in season, or not cliffhanger, the end of season two. That makes me think it can't be the setting of some murder.
Terrible act of vengeance or murder it's sex o'clock i hope so i was thinking i really miss succession yeah great show great program i just miss i just miss it i hope another show pops on that i enjoyed as much as that what a what a what a weird thing to say right in the middle of talking about white lotus no i love but white White Lotus. The big HBO Sunday night show.
But White Lotus, the characters change every year.

Yeah, you're right.

The succession.

You're right.

Because I was thinking with the yacht.

I was thinking of some of those yacht scenes they had in succession were so great.

Worried about their toenails.

Let's get some Tom and Greg back in our lives.

You want a Tom and Greg's spin-off?

Of course I do.

I feel like after five years, everyone's just going to look at each other and go, fuck it.

Let's bring this thing back.

I dare you to say that to Chris and Andy's face. Saxon mentions us there's a big full moon holiday.
And this is like a thing right next, the island next door to the island they're shooting on. They have like a rave on the beach every single month for the full moon.
And it's just this like huge beach party in Thailand. Sounds like a great scene.
I feel like some of our core characters are about to do some more drugs. That's what I'm hearing.
Well, we know that's going to be a theme. Last thing, we didn't talk about Rick and Chelsea when she said, you released a bunch of venous snakes today.
You're fucking deranged. Snakes are evil.
Read the Bible. Evil things shouldn't be treated like shit.
It only makes them more evil. So we're just...
Snakes are evil. Read the Bible is like a pretty great Chelsea quote.
Incredible stuff. Not wrong.
Well, neither is Rick though. Not all snakes bite, man.
Snakes are evil and cats are kind of deep down evil. Well, deep down.
Stop it. Deep down.
No, that was not a Libra move of you at all. Deep down.
No. It is the purest love you will ever know.
If you, like Rick, opened your heart and opened yourself to the possibility of joy. Some of my favorite Instagram videos are cats just fucking with dogs and little kids, which backs my point.
That they're discerning and strategic and smart. Cats have a dark side.
I can't believe this is a fight you want to pick. Cats have a dark side.
We all know. And then things are closing in on Tim Ratliff is where we leave the episode.
Boy, are they. He doesn't do drugs.
In a major way. He doesn't do drugs.
Very, very worrying. MVP of the episode? Jason Isaacs.
Goggins, I think. I think it's Goggins.
I have Goggins. It's a great Goggins episode.

I just want to say that I think it was last week that I was like,

if Tim Ratliff gets into the lorazepam, we're going to have a good time.

And I feel like we're about to have a good time.

But it almost deprived us of Tim.

Lorazepam Tim is something that I'm very excited for.

So lorazepam, can you walk me through how powerful this is?

Is this like basically...

Why are you both looking at me?

Well, because you know the name of the pill.

I don't take lorazepam.

Yeah, it's a sedative.

Is it like an elephant tranquilizer type of sleeping pill?

Like how.

Well, Vicky is happy to say that it's not addictive.

It depends on your milligrams is what I would say.

Because obviously Parker Posey has been chugging him down every night

and is like half immune to him at this point.

She doesn't just take them at night though.

She like just takes them.

What else is in her cocktail?

But people like the mushroom scene, which I stay out of

because I'm terrible at drugs as Mallory knows.

And now I know.

Well, now you know too.

I'm just bad at drugs.

It's fine.

I have a lot of strengths and I have some weaknesses.

But I like that you turned to me for drug info and horoscope info. I love this Northern California image.
Horoscope info. Yeah.
But the mushroom where some people can be like, oh, I'll do a 10 milligram or I'll do a double. And then other people can do like a single and they're completely demolished for the rest of the night.
I would imagine sleeping pills works like that too. You can develop like a weird tolerance for it.
If you're talking about like body mass, you know, like Tim is much bigger than his wife. So like whatever her dosage is, he's probably going to need more.
That was the Jalen Rose corollary. Jalen Rose, my friend who's like six, eight and a half and he's drinking wine and it's just like he's just, it's just going to take more wine to knock him sideways.
So if you're like get a bottle with him and you have two glasses and he has two glasses, it's like he's had half a glass. Yeah.
Because he's just got, you know, he's got more height to play with. MVP.
So we split on Goggins. Yeah.
Predictions. I don't want to step on you and Rob, but predictions for episode four.
We know we're going on a yacht. Yeah.
Well, here's my question about the yacht for you, too. This felt like a transition episode to me, and I feel like episode four is going to be a massive episode.
Is Rick going on the yacht, or is she going to Bangkok? He says he's going to Bangkok. But he said that last episode, too.
Will he leave the trip and go on the yacht? I think Rick goes to Bangkok, which means we get Chelsea. Yeah.
Probably either she sees something she shouldn't see, or she flirts with somebody she shouldn't flirt with. Saxon bringing anyone else is a whole family going in here he invited the family incredible we didn't we didn't talk about not everyone who has a boat yeah like and Victoria's worried that they're trashy because they have a boat are they decent people like yeah they have a yacht they're rich great stuff yeah well rich people can be trashy.
But Rick almost like, I think he, yes,

he has to go to Bangkok

and start running the con.

But if he delayed

and went on the boat

and the Ratliff family comes,

the idea of Tim and Rick

being in a confined space together

when they hate each other so much.

So who's on the boat?

Let's figure this out.

The double date crew's on the boat.

Greg Gary.

Saxon's on the boat.

That's five.

Chloe, Chelsea.

Probably not Rick.

Saxon, Lockie, Pizer. Oh yeah, so three plus Saxon.
She said expats, like a bunch of expats. So I think there's just going to be other people.
But it's possible it's just the four of them with Saxon in the Rick spot. I bet it's going to be a bunch of LDHs.
Lizards back home, man. They got to do something with their time.
Yeah. They got another bad time.
I can't wait to go on the boat with this crew. It's going to be fantastic.
Something bad is going to happen.

All right.

That's it for episode three.

Right?

Anything else?

We learned a lot.

Bud accents.

About horoscopes.

Snakes.

Snakes.

The fact that cats have a dark side.

You have to admit, cats have a dark side.

A halo is a ray of light in my life.

Would halo kill a mouse if it was in your house?

Yeah, sure.

And he'd bring it to me.

He'd present it to me.

Thank you. side.
A halo is a ray of light in my life. But a halo, would halo kill a mouse if it was in your house? Yeah, sure.
And he'd bring it to me. He'd present it to me.
Yeah. And I would say, good job, bubba.
Cats are predators. Would you kill a mouse if it was in your house? I don't really like mice, but we did have a...
Would you kill a mouse if it was in your house, Bill? The most interesting thing, would I kill it? No. I would try to scoop it outside.
Okay. Just for karma points.

With like a shoe box?

Like a magazine?

I was dating a girl once.

We were staying at her parents' house.

And I went down to get water and I heard this like weird sound.

And it was their cat was in the foyer, had a mouse cornered.

And was just like slowing in. It wasn't just like, I'm killing the mouse.

It was like, I'm really going to enjoy this next five minutes before I kill them. Yeah.
And it was like watching Wild Kingdom. I've never seen anything like it.
Do you think that's what was happening in Belinda's villa? The mysterious sounds? Do you think it's a cat? I would be great to have a cat in the show. Could it be a monkey? I probably could be a monkey.
Oh, it's probably a monkey. Bill, underneath anger, there's always a sadness, You know? So that's what we learned from this episode

and also what I know to be true when you talk about cats.

You just want me to...

Do I have to get one just for our relationship,

for the stories?

It seemed like you were going to get one last year.

It's not.

My wife really wants one.

Yeah.

I just don't like Kitty later.

Are you in on this?

Yeah.

She has a cat.

Would it be a male cat or a female cat?

Female cats are less marky, right? I think you would love to. She has a cat.
Would it be a male cat or a female cat? Female

cats are less marky, right? I think you would

love to have a little female cat.

I think that would be really cute. Male cats mark.

Don't they?

They can. Don't you want the big cats to respect

you?

You don't just

be like Neuronigal. You're like, die a fucking virgin.

Fucking cat virgin. Do you you we are back next week on the Prestige TV pod but Joe's gonna be on with Rob Mahoney doing deep dives when does Severance end? couple weeks okay I don't want it to be over I know A plus season A, A minus A plus I think A plus A plus Really good Do you believe that it's Apple's biggest show ever?

Yes Absolutely

I don't know

How is it bigger than Ted Lasso?

That show is like a phenomenon

Everyone I know is watching

Except for you

You're the only person on the planet

That I know who's not watching

How about this?

I'll watch it when you watch The Sopranos

Okay

Three dimensions this episode

Deal

I told you I'll watch The Sopranos

As soon as you let me do a show about it

Alright

Good to see you both Good to see you this episode. Deal.
I told you I'll watch The Sopranos as soon as you let me do a show about it. All right.

Good to see you both.