117. Can Trump End the War in Gaza?

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Welcome to the Rest is Politics US.

I'm Katie Kay.

And I'm Anthony Scaramucci.

How are you, Catty?

Where are you in Greece today, yes?

I am.

I was at a very nice literary festival, actually, with Rory Stewart.

So that was nice.

We had time to hang out with Rory and his wife and trying to reassure the good people who had attended this festival in Cardamille that the world is not about to end.

I see Rory as the Eddie Redmane of Goalhanger.

Of course, an Eddie Redmane with a 200 IQ.

Oh, that's interesting.

He was looking very sharp standing against the Mediterranean Sea as the sun set.

He had this kind of very elegant jacket on.

I was dressed in jeans and a black sweater because I went thinking it was going to be nice and summery.

And of course, it was freezing, so I had to put on every layer that I had.

We had a lot of talks about, there was an extremely good talk from a journalist called Michael Sheridan, who's written a very good book that you would enjoy about Xi Jinping and told some very interesting stories about Xi's biography and what she wants and what she wants from the Americans at the moment.

So that was fun.

We'll get him on the program one day.

That would be good.

Sounds good to me.

What do you want to talk about this morning?

We are going to talk about Gaza and whether this peace plan has legs and what the process is.

And I think I'm interested in how Donald Trump managed to use some leverage over Bibi Netanyahu and whether he can sustain that leverage and what you think about that.

And then in the second half of the program, we are going to talk about ICE, which is something that you texted me this morning and said you wanted to talk about, Anthony.

Obviously, a lot happening in Portland, but particularly in Chicago and a lot of pushback from those governors and indeed from the courts and from Trump appointed judges against what the president is trying to do in terms of sort of sending the military into those cities.

So I think that's quite interesting too.

We didn't get a chance, Anthony, last week to talk about Gaza.

So just quickly to remind people, Donald Trump has managed to get Bibi Netanyahu to agree to a 20-point plan for peace.

It actually looks similar to the plans that Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken were drawing up under the Biden administration, but President Biden never managed to use leverage, couldn't or wouldn't use leverage against Bibi Netanyahu and forced him to get him to accept this peace plan.

Bibi Netanyahu now has.

The plan is partly short term, the release of the hostages, the stopping of the fighting, Israel beginning a phased withdrawal of its forces, and then there is also a longer term peace.

sort of proposal for the script more long term which includes other nations their presence in it, the financing of the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip, who keeps the security, who has control of the Gaza Strip long term.

There seems to be a disagreement about that between the Israelis and the Americans over whether the Palestinians and the Palestinian authorities have some kind of control.

But the Americans are making it clear that Hamas will not have control over Gaza afterwards.

And some of the national security types that I have spoken to in the last couple of days, Anthony, have said the most smart way to think about this plan, and I don't know what you think about this, is from a sort of negotiating negotiating point of view to separate the short term from the longer term issues.

Let's, as Donald Trump has said, very much in the language of Joe Biden to Bibi Netanyahu, take the win here.

This is not an optional plan.

You've got to take this.

But the idea is, you know, you get the hostages out.

That's the first thing.

You get Hamas to agree to release all of the hostages.

And then you get the fighting has to stop as well.

The bombardments have to stop as well.

And then we have the beginning of the phased withdrawal and what happens afterwards.

But what do you make of this plan, Anthony?

Do you think it has legs?

And how do you think Donald Trump came about it?

There's a lot of positives in the plan.

So I want to be fair to the administration.

And like you said, it's sort of an extension or an adaptation of the Biden-Blinken plan.

But

a little bit of a ruse going on from Hamas because they're conditional yeses and they're really only accepting parts of the plan that they like.

And the other parts of the plan that they don't like, they're either ignoring or they're going to push back on.

And some of those have to do with who's going to control the Gaza Strip or parts of the Gaza Strip on a going forward basis.

Clearly, they want it to be them.

And obviously, President Trump doesn't want it to be them.

And, you know, this is what Putin did with Ukraine.

You give him a proposal, the stuff he likes, he'll take.

And the stuff he doesn't like, he leaves.

And then he sends more drones into the cities to kill civilians.

So I'm optimistic here for two reasons.

When you talk to secular Arabs in the Gulf states, they want the war to end.

And they're putting an extreme amount of pressure now on whatever is left of the leadership of Hamas to end this war.

So I do think you're going to get a conclusion.

I don't know if you can get it by year end, but I do think you're now going to get a conclusion.

And again, like or dislike Donald Trump, as you and and I have tried to be as objective as possible on this program, his flexing on Netanyahu

may work,

but it may not work.

Yes, because Netanyahu is the type of guy that I would never underestimate.

And I would never underestimate the relationships that he has in our Congress.

I would never underestimate the lobbying community that's behind Prime Minister Netanyahu.

And so, yes, Trump is a different beast than Joe Biden.

He's less placid.

He's more willing to flex on people.

But don't underestimate Netanyahu.

And so I hate to say this as a Wall Street person, Caddy.

Sometimes it's about the money.

And you take a look at that strip of land and you take a look at the opportunity there that a lot of people are seeing to renovate that land, to rebuild that land, and to create an economic oasis on that land.

It doesn't include Hamas.

And I don't think Hamas has done themselves any service in keeping themselves in good stead with their secular Arab friends who aren't terrorists, but also want to recognize some rights for Palestinians.

So

again,

I don't think it's going to happen quickly, but I think if it does happen, the Israelis, the Americans, the interests interests of the West are going to have way more control over this.

This is not Cuba.

They're not giving this up.

It's too close to Israel,

and it's too big of a national security crisis for them.

Aaron Powell, so I think a couple of things have happened that have changed the dynamic.

One is as Donald Trump, actually, interestingly, in an interview with Axios, has just said, Israel has lost a lot of support.

He says he's going to get it back with this deal, but it's interesting to hear Donald Trump vocalize that loss of support.

The

Israelis made a mistake bombing Doha.

They lost a lot of Gulf Arab support.

The Gulf Arabs started to get concerned that this could be a conflict that spreads.

and spirals out of the control.

It only takes one mistake often to start a conflict.

And that really meant that they were going to put pressure as well on the Israelis to come to some kind of deal.

And the Gulf Arab states are close with Jared Kushner, who's been part of these negotiations and close with the trump family so there was an a moment there for donald trump to put because of the israeli mistake to put more leverage on benjamin netanyahu and you had that extraordinary photograph that we spoke about the other day of netanyahu calling the emir of qatar and apologizing and donald trump is holding the telephone in his lap in front of the fireplace in the oval office It's worth a look, guys.

Take a look at the photograph if you want to kind of understand the dynamics here.

And Benjamin Netanyahu is reading a piece of paper that it looks like Benjamin Netanyahu at that moment is Donald Trump's puppet.

Trump has said to Netanyahu, here's what you're going to say.

I'm going to hold the telephone and you're going to make this public apology.

And we are going to tell the world that you have made this public apology.

And that puts Netanyahu in an unusual position.

So there was an amount of leverage that the White House could use.

I think the other thing we should talk about, though, in terms of leverage, and you mentioned how Netanyahu still has a lot of support.

I think that is more true when Donald Trump is not the president.

When it was Barack Obama, he could go over the head of Barack Obama to Republican senators and he did do exactly that.

When it was Joe Biden, he could peel the Republican Senate away from Joe Biden in order to get congressional support for Israel.

But right now, Donald Trump's the president and the Republican Party is in lockstep with the president.

And a fascinating poll has just come out in the Washington Post showing that 61% of American Jews believe that the Israeli government has committed war crimes.

40% of American Jews believe that the Israeli government is guilty of genocide.

Those two numbers are stunning.

I did not expect to see those two numbers.

And they, in those numbers in turn, put pressure on senators and members of Congress in the Republican Party and give them some distance from Benjamin Netanyahu.

So I think there's a kind of a shift.

We've spoken about this before, the shift that is taking place amongst the American population.

And now that has filtered upwards, if you like, into the Oval Office and because of confluence events, has given Donald Trump the opportunity to put the kind of pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu that Joe Biden perhaps didn't feel able to put.

I don't know if he can continue that pressure.

I don't know while this deal is being negotiated, the finer points of it, the longer-term points of it, if he can continue that pressure and that leverage.

But he's certainly had a kind of sea chain.

This is a change of course.

And if he pulls this off, there will be people in the world saying that guy should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

And listen, it would be well deserved.

So I'm not saying that he shouldn't get the Nobel Peace Prize.

I don't think, by the way, he will ever get the Nobel Peace Prize.

I don't think he will because I don't think the Scandinavians are going to offer it.

There's under no circumstances.

I mean, this guy could wave a magic wand and every conflict around the world would end.

He's still not getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

So, you know,

and by the way, if he got the Nobel Peace Prize, they would stop the escalator on the way up to the speech to prevent them from actually giving the escalating.

I want to say something to you that has me, not concerned, but just has me a little off-center with this whole issue.

And that basically is

who is still supporting Hamas?

Who is still supporting them?

Because when I talk to people like Jared, I have a lot of friends in the Middle East and

not only in the financial community, but in the political community, people, they've exhausted a lot of patience in terms of the way that they've handled themselves.

Remember, Netanyahu has said repeatedly, give me the hostages back.

The fighting will stop.

And they're holding on to the hostages for what?

Their political survival?

Do they think they're going to be running Gaza after this is over?

Well, they have no other leverage, right?

I mean, why, in a sense, the big question of all of this is why would they give the hostages up?

I understand that, but I'm just, you know this, and I know this about the world.

The world is unfair, Gaddy.

And the world is,

it is, it can be punitive in certain ways.

And whatever you think of the Palestinian rights, whatever you think of Hamas's political standing, I think the winds are against them right now.

And by the way, what you said about the votes among American Jews, I don't think it's anti-Semitic to contemn the behavior of a sovereign government.

You can still be a pro-Semite, a philosophy, but also offer some criticism of a government.

I don't think it's a binary thing.

That is a philosophical point that has needed clarifying in the United States, which is why these numbers are striking.

I mean, 60% of American Jews think they're not saying that Israel writ large or that Jews rich large have committed this.

They're making your point, right?

That it is the Israeli government they are critical of.

Lastly,

not a lot of Palestinian representation in the plan.

Okay, so we just have to remember that.

I was with Jared Kushner in Bahrain back in 2018.

He put an economic proposal together for Palestinians.

There were no Palestinians in the audience, and nothing ever got done because there was no Palestinians there.

And the plan also wants reconstruction without sovereignty, and there's no real path in the plan for a two-state solution, despite the UK government, French government, Canadian government, others wanting to recognize Palestine as a state.

I think that there are still several questions about this plan.

I mean, are you really going to see

Gulf Arab states potentially

take up arms against Palestinians who might still be in Gaza Strip, who may not be demeaned to be members of Hamas now, but could be deemed deemed to be Hamas

or anti-Israeli or become terrorists in five years' time.

I mean, it's a very, they've created unbelievable amounts of ill will towards the Israelis.

You now have a generation and a generation more of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip who will do everything they can to destroy the state of Israel.

They have created enemies, galore.

of the people who are left.

If your mother has been killed, your brother has been killed, your daughter has been killed, your sister has been killed, you're not going to rest until you demand revenge, as we saw in Lebanon, right, for years.

So

the idea, I think, that you could have a shiny Gaza strip that is a lovely economic miracle whilst Gazans are still living there, harboring the pain and the hurt and the hatred of Israel that has been fostered in that strip.

especially over the course of the last three years.

I think that's a bit of a pipe dream.

So the security and the governance of this, that's why I say maybe there's a move you separate the short-term points, which are perhaps easier to achieve.

And even that, let's, we don't know because we don't know if the Hamas is going to greet it from the longer-term points.

Sometimes when we go after our enemies, Caddy K, we make things worse for ourselves.

And

during the attack on the World Trade Center 24 years ago, Americans wanted vengeance.

The politicians wanted vengeance.

But they played right into bin Laden's hands because he said, you're going to come after me.

You'll probably get me eventually.

but we're going to blow out your treasury and you're going to spill your treasure and you're going to take your civil liberties away from yourselves.

And they did that through the Patriot Act.

So sometimes...

What did Joe Biden say to Bibi Netanyahu after the attacks at October the 7th?

Don't do what we did.

Don't act in anger and do what we did.

That's exactly right.

I think that's the lesson that we're never learning.

because of the impulses.

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I'm Anthony Scaramucci.

I am Caddy Kay.

Caddy, we're going to talk about ICE.

We're going to talk about the American military, the National Guard, and what I see as a potential threat to the democracy because I think Donald Trump is now testing us and he's testing the court system.

And so, for people that are not well informed about this, let me just go over it a little bit.

He's authorizing 300 troops to protect federal officers and assets in Chicago.

He wants to send the National Guard up to Portland.

He was actually blocked by a judge that he appointed.

Caddy said, no, you can't do that.

It's not in the Constitution to do that.

There's certain requirements to do that.

It doesn't meet the tests of an insurrection, et cetera.

Caddy, what I don't like about this, and I'd like to have you react to it, is the videos coming out.

The videos are absolutely terrifying to people.

And they're pulling people out of cars.

They're smashing windows.

They're zip-tying people's hands.

And they're doing it without warrants.

They're doing it without search and seizure

permits, if you will.

And the U.S.

does have a Constitution.

You have a right to privacy in the Fourth Amendment.

You have a search and seizure.

You need a judge to sign off on that.

That's the Fifth Amendment.

Katie, are you worried about this?

Because I'm worried about this.

I think this is a test.

of the system by Stephen Miller and Donald Trump.

We know from the first administration that Donald Trump was furious that he wasn't able to use American troops against the Black Lives Matter protesters.

And he kept asking his generals, why can't I just shoot the protesters?

And the generals said, no, you can't do that.

He wanted to invoke the Insurrection Act, which is a very broad act saying that there is an interaction against the government, which would allow him to use the military against the American people.

And he didn't manage to do it.

And ever since then, he has said this, Anthony.

I mean, he said quite openly that he regretted that, that he didn't manage to put those protests down quicker.

And this time around, you now have Governor Pritzker of Illinois, which I thought was interesting, going on the Sunday shows saying exactly what you just said.

He said, the White House is trying to create a war zone so that the American public gets riled up and fights back.

And that then gives the president the opportunity to send in federal troops.

and start shooting at the American population.

And when I've spoken to conservatives in the past around before the election of Donald Trump, and I've asked them, you know, people who don't love Donald Trump, but who are very much on the conservative side, and they said, what are you worried about?

And this is the scenario that they've painted.

And, you know, the story I thought that Governor Pritzker told of what happened in Chicago over the weekend, where ICE went into a building to get a few gang members who were in the country illegally, but in the process, they're throwing elderly people into vans, into U-Haul vans.

They are putting zip ties on children

who hardly had any clothes on because they'd been pulled out of their beds at night.

And they're keeping these people, some of whom are American citizens.

And these are the kinds of things.

And I think the kind of the alarm bell that Governor Pritzker was trying to ring this weekend was exactly the scenario you described.

So how then?

What do the courts do about ICE?

Because ICE seems to have a huge amount of power.

I mean, the courts have ruled against the White House in the case of Portland.

No, there isn't an insurrection.

No, there is no riot.

This is a Trump-appointed judge has ruled against the White House saying, hold on a second, guys.

There is no justification for sending national troops or the National Guard into Portland because there isn't a war going on.

There's no big crisis going on.

There isn't an insurrection happening.

There are no big riots happening in Portland.

But what happens with ICE?

What's the jurisdiction process against ICE around ICE?

How does ICE get controlled in a circumstance like this?

I don't know what the law is.

Do you?

Well, I mean, the law is fake.

That's the problem.

Okay, so if

you ask constitutional scholars, they'll say, well, he's over the spirit of the law.

He's doing things that no other president has done.

Is he inside the letter of the law?

And, you know, the ICE guys are saying that they have these rights and they have the warrants, et cetera.

And they're more blanketed macro warrants.

Now, the Supreme Court did make a ruling recently that gave ICE in exigent circumstances, emergency circumstances, to have some flexibility about who they're able to detain and eventually deport.

But it's unnecessary, Caddy.

And what it's doing is it's invoking fear in the society.

And again,

it's slowing down the economy.

Okay.

Because if you can't leave your house, because you feel like you're going to get deported.

And I have U.S.

citizens, U.S.

citizens, okay?

73-year-old woman, U.S.

citizen.

She's originally from Colombia.

She won't leave the house with her grandson.

Why are you not leaving the house?

Well, these people are crazy.

If they end up grabbing me, they could take me away from my kid.

And you know, they've detained U.S.

citizens that are brown and black.

Ultimately, they release them, but they've split up people.

They've split up kids from their parents.

And so this is an absolutely appalling thing that's going on.

It's a disgusting thing.

And I think you know Chef Jose Andres.

I think you know who he is.

I mean,

you lost the guy.

He's taking the videos and he's putting it up on his Twitter feed to show the 1.1 million followers that he has what the hell is going on.

And this is really...

bad for America.

This is how you lose people around the world.

And this is how you start to lose your own citizens, where your citizens are saying to themselves, is this the country now?

Because you've used the word chilling.

It has a quote-unquote chilling effect.

Am I now going to be chilled to my First Amendment rights?

Am I now going to be chilled to what I do?

You have people that are in immigration courts right now.

They're trying to get their citizenship or their green card, and they won't go to an airport anymore.

Well, how are you going to get home?

I'm taking a Greyhound bus.

Well, why are you taking a Greyhound bus?

Because if I go to the airport, I could be on a list and I'll get detained at the airport by ICE and I'll be shipped out of the country and I'll lose my job.

Even though they are in the country legally going through the process legally.

Yes.

Or remember, they're in the country seeking asylum.

They're seeking political asylum.

Which means they're here legally.

Exactly, which gives them rights.

But the Trump administration is no, we're going to get rid of everybody.

And this is the thing I worry about, Caddy.

I want you to react to this because I always ask you to play political strategists.

So I come into into the room, I'm a Democrat opposed to this, and I say to you, Caddy, it doesn't poll well for us.

Well, what do you mean, Anthony?

Well, you know, it looks like over 50% of the Americans want the deportation.

So how would you handle this?

If you thought that this was causing a constitutional crisis, it's giving Trump some martial law flex, if you will.

As a Democratic strategist, how do you handle this?

Because if you go out on the airwaves and you start denouncing it, it turns out the Americans are actually weirdly forward.

It makes me sad to think that way.

But how would you handle it, Caddy?

Yeah, because I know that this is not what you thought would happen when they started rounding up people who had not committed crimes.

Yeah, because Trump said he was only going after the criminals.

He's not doing that.

And he's not doing that anymore.

I think you look at what Gavin Newsom is doing, where he has managed to use the courts successfully to stop the National Guard coming into his state.

He has now stood up in support of Portland, Oregon, to say, no, there's not a war going on there.

You cannot use California National Guard and send them up to Portland, Oregon.

And I thought it was very interesting.

I went through the transcripts and listened to what Governor Pritzker said.

And he's been bolder on this than many Democrats want to be.

He said exactly what you said.

He said they're just picking people up who are brown and black and then checking their papers to see if they're American citizens.

He's repeating what happened in that building.

I mean, he's got a very sympathetic case.

I don't think Americans want children in zip ties, in their pajamas or their underwear in the middle of the night, being detained for three or four hours

whilst their parents are being rounded up or their grandparents are being thrown into a U-ball van.

I just, I don't think that's where the American public is.

And actually, if you look at Donald Trump's numbers on immigration, he is underwater on immigration at the moment.

And I think the Democrats probably have to find a way to be a bit bolder on this to say, okay, we like the secure border.

We're very glad that there's no one else coming across the border at the moment.

That is something that we endorse, but we and we endorse you going after hardened criminals.

But they show these images.

They repeat what Governor Pritzker has done and they tell the story of the children.

They find, you know, as a media person.

What do people remember, Anthony?

They don't remember stats and numbers.

They remember personal stories.

And that image of a kid in a zip tie on an October night in Chicago in his underpants, that image sticks with you.

Even if you're only just told it, even if you don't see it, I think the image sticks with you.

We did speak about ICE.

I think it was the week when you were off, Anthony, and Sam Stein was on, and we were talking about it because it has been a big

move.

Somebody else, somebody very, very old came on the program and talked about ICE in DC because a few weeks ago it was a huge issue in DC.

And one of the things I I talked about was how I'd heard how the neighborhoods are trying to support these immigrants and they're using these, they were using these apps to communicate with each other to say, okay, ICE is here.

They've got a roadblock here.

And now guess what's happened in the last couple of days?

Apple and Google have taken those apps down.

So that...

chill that you talk about because they say that they were told by the government that there was a safety risk around these apps and so now that the the tools that the community has been using to fight back to try and protect people from being hauled up by ice and thrown in the back of a van, the American business community is feeling that chill as well.

They've caved again to the administration.

Do you follow Stephen Miller's social media presence?

Look, I don't spend a ton of time on Twitter, but yes, I do follow Stephen Miller on Twitter.

What has he said recently?

I haven't seen it.

He said that the court's decision was organized judicial terrorism.

The court's decision not to send national guards.

Not to send the National Guard.

Okay, Stephen, all you got to do is appeal the decision.

Yeah.

You know, there's a process.

There's a judicial process.

But is that a normal thing from the deputy chief of staff to the American president in the White House to say that?

Or is that a

are you over the line in terms of constitutional process?

Because you're calling the judicial system

saying that it's in support of terrorism if it rules against you.

Yeah, he's basically saying if you rule against me, it's judicial terrorism.

But where does that put judges?

Okay, this is a Trump-appointed judge.

Judges have already spoken about their own security.

The kind of inflammatory language that Stephen Miller uses, that J.D.

Vance uses, that Donald Trump uses, doesn't make those judges any safer.

Doesn't make members of Congress safer.

We know that members of Congress are facing a record number of death threats at the moment against themselves and against their families, and judges are the same.

And I actually think the Supreme Court is watching this, Anthony.

Conservatives, constitutional lawyers I have spoken to have said at some point the Supreme Court is going to say, stop.

Stop with the unnecessary, gratuitous attacks on judges because it puts judges at risk.

And I don't think Amy Coney Barrett's going to like that.

I don't think the justices are going to like what they hear here.

The judge stayed the mobilization of the troops, and basically now pending an appeal, Trump says he's sending the troops anyway.

I mean, Gavin Newsom's out there saying, okay, we're going to sue him here in California because he can't send the Portland National Guard.

He can't send the Oregon National Guard into Portland, but he's trying to direct the Californian National Guard into Portland.

So now I'm going to sue him in California.

But you see what's going on here.

Okay.

He's going to push the system.

He's going to cross over the lines of what have been normal checks and balances in the system.

So Trump is telling you that I am the opposite of George Washington.

I want to be king.

I want to have these supremacy powers.

And this is something obscure, but it's very important for people to at least hear it.

There is a supremacy clause

that the Supreme Court has said is valid.

Okay.

And that was in a very famous case, Arizona versus the United States, where the supremacy clause gives federal primacy over immigration enforcement.

Once the federal officers are in the game, you can't obstruct or impede them.

Okay, because the federation has supremacy over the individual state.

And the Trump people know this.

And so they're using this to their benefit, benefit, but it's also putting an enormous amount of stress on the system.

And if they break the system here, Caddy, they will find other ways to break the system, which is something I'm very concerned about.

I think it's important for people that listen in on this podcast to understand that this is something that's happening in the United States while the government is closed, while we're dealing with Gaza, Ukraine, an economic slowdown, which is clearly coming.

A point unrelated to ICE, but important to let viewers and listeners know.

One of the things that Skybridge does is track shipments into the country.

We track shipments leaving ports in Asia, heading for our West Coast ports, et cetera.

And then they get on these boxcar trains or they get shipped around the country through trucking.

The six-month forward is way down.

It looks like 2008.

And that's because there's just going to be a slowdown in consumption as a direct result of price increases related to the tariffs.

So now you're going to have a potential economic slowdown and a country that's in a fight with itself over the Constitution coinciding with the different situations that are happening around the world.

Now, I'm not saying this pessimistically.

I'm still confident.

It's not exactly optimistic.

Yeah, but it's objective.

It's objective.

Not trying to say it pessimistically.

I'm just saying there's things that can happen that will will allow this stuff to work out.

But one of the things will be, Democrats, you got to get better organized and you got to get better messaging because if we've only had one party left, that's the pro-democracy and pro-system party, open the tent.

Bring in everybody that's with you on pro-democracy and pro-Constitution.

Don't be righteous snotheads.

Okay.

And if someone supported Trump years ago, doesn't support him today, welcome him into the party.

Put out a welcome mat.

That's my message.

Okay.

We're going to leave it there, guys.

I'm going to go and take a walk around Athens and remind myself of the wonders of democracy in this cradle of democracy.

And I will report back on the health.

of the democratic process.

Read the Pericles speech, Gaddy.

Get up to the Acropolis, pull out your phone.

If you have cellular service up there, maybe you won't, but read his speech.

It's quite amazing what he said

several thousand years ago.

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