Mark's Best Friend (with Yul Vazquez)

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Hey, I'm Ben Stiller.

I'm Adam Scott.

And this is the Severance Podcast with Ben and Adam, where we talk about everything related to severance.

And today is a little bittersweet because it's our last podcast for a while.

Yeah, that's crazy.

I didn't know we've done 30 episodes.

30 episodes.

Wow, that's crazy.

It is crazy.

You know what?

We've done almost one and a half times more podcast episodes than we've done episodes of Severance.

I was just making that calculation in my head, and you did it way faster than me.

It would take me like two days to come up with that.

Yeah, thank you.

I am not a math expert, but I did, you know, 30 and we've done 19.

Sounds like it to me.

Sounds like a math expert to me.

But we are going to go out on a high note here.

I'm going to talk with the man who really started it all on severance, Yule Vasquez, who plays PD, Mark's best friend.

And after your conversation with Yule, I think we should answer some hotline questions for the final time.

Yeah, I'm going to miss these hotline questions.

So great getting to answer these.

Okay, let's get into the episode.

All right.

You know, I do get nostalgic for PD scenes and us shooting the PD scenes.

You know, that was so early on and just

right?

Like, like shooting in the greenhouse.

And yes, and shooting down in the basement, the first scene we shot of the whole show was us eating pizza in the basement.

Oh my god, was that the first thing?

Really?

That's the first like dialogue scene.

Because remember the very first day you took mercy on me and we shot just me like walking in through doors and opening the refrigerator and a whole day of just little like me walking down the hallway.

Right.

Just little bits and pieces like that.

Yeah, we wanted to kind of ease in yeah i loved i loved that so much that that's how we started but then the next day we dove in with uh me and yule eating pizza right yeah great memories of working with yule because we were figuring stuff out then like you know the the reintegration language and how to shoot those things and of course my favorite sudoku sudoko line of yours

yeah Yule's a great guy.

I've known Yule forever.

Please send him my best.

I will.

Do you have anything specifically that you wanted me to ask you?

Ask him about his art.

Yeah, I will.

His paintings are incredible.

Yeah, he's like a serious artist.

And, you know, I'm sure you know, but people might not know he drew that PD map himself.

He did.

Yeah.

Oh, I did not know that.

Yeah, ask him about that.

Which is now like on t-shirts and things like that.

I have a mug.

Yeah, me too.

Do you have the Lumen mug where when it heats up, you see the map?

It's so cool.

It's so cool.

So, Ben, how how have you been it's been a week since our last episode i've been good i've been you know just kind of running around you know you're working right now working working you know we're working on yeah on severance too a lot of season three stuff happening yeah you know we're writing and pre-producing and all that stuff also in this downtime you've done a couple of films that i'm i'm just excited to see you on the big screen oh thanks and i i saw that you have this horror movie yeah hocum yeah yeah damian mccarthy this really interesting Irish filmmaker, lovely person.

He made this great movie, Oddity, a couple of years ago.

And so this is his follow-up and Neon's putting it out.

So really excited about that.

Yeah, that's so great.

I've never been in a horror movie, so I am envious.

You haven't?

No.

And I saw the still that they put out when they announced that Neon was releasing it.

And it's this cool, you look like just like you've got glasses and you're wet and you've got stubble.

And you just looked, it looked really cool and like a totally different character and like i was like i'm in oh great

really fun and and can you talk about the de niro movie yeah it's uh it's called the whisper man it's uh gonna be on netflix it's de niro michelle monaghan myself michael keaton wow is in it oh my god really so yeah it's uh it's really it was really fun to make and that's great and really just so amazing getting to work with bob yeah but we should compare de niro notes at some point yeah totally um i i just wanted to talk really quickly because I just bought a bunch of Premiere magazines on eBay.

Did you read Premiere Magazine back in the day?

I had a subscription.

I read it.

I consumed it.

I think I wrote a couple of things for them.

Did you?

I wrote one thing.

I think I wrote a tribute to Diane Keaton in it once.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

But that's cool.

You found the old Premiere Mags.

Dude, you...

You should do yourself a favor and buy it.

They're like, you know, five bucks or something on eBay.

And it's just amazing going through.

Just first of all, that there was this big, thick magazine that came out every month just about movies.

It's so cool.

It's fun.

It was a big deal, Premiere magazine.

Huge deal.

And the journalists, the writers they had were great and they would write really in-depth profiles and interviews.

And it's just terrific.

Yeah.

So good.

And also magazine, the other thing that you don't have anymore is like with actual magazines existed, it would be time

would be a certain size or, right?

Yes.

Or Newsweek, but then there would be like Rolling Stone was bigger.

Yeah.

And Premiere was kind of bigger.

It was big, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And that was like kind of a special thing, too.

Loved it.

Yeah.

I have one that I had when I was a teenager that I found on eBay that's De Niro and Robin Williams on the cover for Awakenings.

Yeah, yeah.

Which my mother's in, by the way.

She plays one of patients in that.

I have to rewatch.

I haven't seen it in so long.

Oh, that's a Penny Marshall movie.

Yeah.

All right.

I think it's time for your conversation with Yule.

Excellent.

Let's do it.

I am so excited to have our next guest with us today.

He is someone who has been in absolutely everything that you love, including Seinfeld, The Sopranos, Sex in the City, and iconic roles in stuff like Captain Phillips, Russian Doll, Little Falkers with Ben, the great show, The Outsider, The Looming Tower, so many things.

And he was nominated for a Tony and a Drama Desk Award for the motherfucker with the hat.

Incredible actor, our PD, Yule Vasquez.

Welcome to the show.

Absolute pleasure to be here with you, Adam.

So, Yule, you have a really interesting origin story, you yourself, not Petey.

You want to tell us about growing up in Miami?

I grew up in Miami Beach, Florida.

Yeah, I grew up in Miami Beach.

when nobody wanted to be there.

Wow.

So we came from Cuba.

I was two and a half years old, came with my mother,

single mom, two kids, came with my grandmother.

My parents were divorced.

My father stayed in Cuba, had a second family.

I have five half siblings.

Wow.

I think there was some overlap, if you know what I mean.

I think I know what you mean.

But they were divorced, and my mother was like, I'm getting out of this system.

I am not raising my kids in this.

communist dictatorship, basically.

So came to Miami Beach.

My mother was an actress.

My mother didn't really speak English, learned English, got involved with a theater company comprised of actors that were exiled actors, you know, from Cuba, and they had a theater company, and they would do plays.

Wow.

And when I was a little kid, I was like sort of the default kid.

I would get thrown into plays.

I did, but I didn't want to be an actor.

I wanted to be Jimmy Page.

I wanted to be a rock star.

I played in rock bands.

So you did pursue music for a while.

You were in a band called Urgent?

It was a band called Urgent and a band called Diving for Pearls.

I made two records with.

I was Diving Diving for Pearls.

Yeah.

And you guys, Urgent had

a hit in the 80s.

Is that right?

We had a song called Running Back.

Yeah.

We did two records with that.

I mean, I think hit is kind, but

wasn't it like Billboard Top 100?

It charted.

It charted.

It was very AOR.

It was, you know, that's how I wind up in New York, is that band.

Okay, so that gets you to New York.

And

we're all the better for it because you are one of the best actors that we have.

And we are all the better for having you on Severance too.

Very kind of you, my friend.

I mean, we started the show.

It was just you and I for the first few weeks of production.

We were just doing Mark and Petey stuff.

Dude, my fucking eyes just teared up.

Like, literally, I swear to God, my eyes just swirled up.

It's crazy.

Yeah, go ahead.

I was so freaked out, and we were figuring the show out as we were going, right?

And you and I were at the very beginning of it.

I remember day one,

Ben just had me like opening doors and walking.

It was just me doing kind of menial stuff.

And then day two, you and I dove in with the scene in the basement eating pizza.

And I'm so grateful that the stuff we started with was

with you.

One, because you're incredible and it was such a pleasure and privilege to get to work with you, but also emotionally, it was so important to lay this base of this relationship.

It's integral to the show, and you really kick everything off emotionally, story-wise, everything.

Do you want to talk about sort of how this came to be, how you ended up on Severance in season one there?

You know, I, well, first of all, thank you for saying all that.

That's

incredibly generous of you.

And

we have a text romance that I love, and

I really do adore you because not only are you a fucking great actor, but you're one of the great humans in our in our business and you know it's not always not always the case thanks buddy i knew ben for a long time because we met we shared a green room at the public theater we were at a different place so we knew each other like 20 years ago something like that dude it was it was 2005

okay yeah crazy yeah but we did we'd never worked together but you know we knew each other and then we got on the zoom and we like we did these work sessions on the zoom and i had the benefit of knowing the four.

Like I knew where I was starting, where I was going.

You know what I mean?

And I had a sense of totally what

the show should be.

And I remember saying to Ben on the Zoom, I said, I think when he goes, if it doesn't break your heart, then we got it all wrong.

For me, you know, and it's almost better when you don't know anything else.

Because all we have is what we're doing in this room right now.

And that pizza scene,

I knew that you knew that we both knew what we could have had to do there.

And we had a great commander, you know?

Yeah.

We had a fucking great commander who was who was clear and he was like, okay, let's try this and let's, you know, fine-tune it.

That to me was the only way that, that, that I could do it.

And it was very personal, you know, because we were in that basement.

Yes, it was.

And that, that, it really kind of clicked into place really quickly.

We never had a conversation about these two guys and their friendship.

We just started doing it and it really kind of fell into place emotionally right away.

And the thing that's that I always felt was really lightning in a bottle that you were able to capture and so integral to the show working at all is Petey coming in and it so easily could have been an exposition machine and somebody coming in there and like a science fiction show how it's done sometimes where people come in and tell this fantastical story about what happened to them and what might happen in the future and all this stuff to kind of set the scene and try and set up the stakes and everything.

But you come in and it's so hyper real

and so emotionally present that none of that stuff happens.

And whatever exposition is there is beside the point.

It's the emotional character story first and that's what you came in and did just right off the bat it was like oh this is what the show is you know i've i i i met you and i liked you i had known your work but i met you and i liked you

and i knew i could use that

right and the other thing i could hang stuff on was was the daughter the wanting to return to that.

I wanted to get back to that.

And why can't I get back to that?

You mean, and what what you guys did to me was fucked up.

And

I'm trying to get back to that.

And I could sit with you.

You could put the camera on and you're going to see two guys that like each other.

Yes.

Genuinely like each other.

Yeah, when we weren't shooting, we were off in a corner chit-chatting and it was the same thing.

But, you know,

I think actors sometimes, and obviously not all actors, don't realize the value of that.

You don't need to gild the lily.

Totally.

Yeah.

Totally.

You already like this guy.

Just turn that fucking thing on.

Exactly.

Which is

also why I think talking the scene to death or talking the characters to death off camera, sometimes there is absolutely no use for it.

If you both know what you're doing and you understand,

everyone understands what this is.

Let's just turn the camera on and let's get it while it's alive.

Yeah.

And I think those

scenes were fucking extraordinarily written.

You know what I mean?

Like

by seeing you with red eyes and

I knew what's going on with you.

And, you know, like, those scenes are unbelievably fucking well written, man.

Yeah, we shot all that basement stuff right away.

So it was not just the pizza scene, but you in the bathroom having the reintegration sickness, all that.

basement stuff from the first few episodes we did in the first like week.

And then we went out and did that diner scene, which was so fun.

And you know, this line that's become iconic, it's that Petey says to Mark, I'm your best friend, you're my very good friend.

So actually, let's listen to that.

So

you've unsevered, and now you

think they're after you or something?

Yeah.

Abing Greiner,

who's probably out here right now.

Greener, okay.

Is that like a person you know?

We both know him.

We don't like him.

I see.

Nothing

down there is what they say.

If something happens to me,

the things I know

need to stay known.

I'd prefer be by a friend.

So,

we're friends?

I'm your best friend.

You're my very good friend.

There it is.

Did you have any sense that

had that potential?

There's no way that

I could have imagined that.

I remember that day in the Phoenicia diner.

Yeah, and it's famous.

They have these famous pancakes.

No, but a guy came up to me at the airport and a guy and he said, hey, I just want you to know that my son and I say that line to each other.

That's great.

I was like, that's fucking crazy.

We're going to take a break.

We'll be right back after this.

Hey, Adam, you got any trips coming up?

We do, actually.

We're going to go for our first parents weekend, visiting our son off at school.

Oh, wow.

That's exciting.

Yeah.

Wow.

You're already there.

That's amazing.

We already miss him and just can't wait to get over there.

Yeah, that'll be fun.

And so what are you doing with your house when you're away?

Well, I'm not exactly sure why.

What do you mean?

Well, I'm just saying that, you know, if you're away, you could actually be hosting an Airbnb.

Huh.

Yeah.

That's, I mean, I've used Airbnb on a few family trips before and loved it, but love Airbnb.

Christine is actually doing a movie right now.

She's staying in an Airbnb.

Yeah, it's the best.

It's so much better than a hotel.

I guess this whole time, whenever we're out of town, we could have been making a little extra cash while we're gone.

See, that's what I'm saying.

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So this map that PD draws, you, you will, actually are the one who drew that map.

Yes, it is.

So

if you've seen my...

I paint.

I don't know if you knew that about me, but I've

this map in particular, was that a, did you collaborate with Dan and Kat Miller, our props master, and Ben and everybody on that?

So Kat made a template of what the lumen floor looked like.

You know what I mean?

And then Ben said, you can take that and you can embellish that.

You know what I mean?

So I did.

So I took that and added all the other occult symbols and like.

I wrote in a corner, all is mind.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Which is something from the Kabbalion, which is, you know, which is a real Western mystery school tradition.

Philosophy.

Yeah.

So I wrote all that stuff.

There was an esoteric sense, not only to Petey, but to the show.

The show to me lives in this esoteric world, where it can really go in many ways.

I mean, there is a mysticism to the show that I think is appropriate.

It really is a beautiful piece.

You know, there's so much mystery still with Petey.

We know generally what happened, but we didn't see a lot of it.

A lot of it is you telling us about it, and we see the results of it.

But the actual journey that Petey went through in order to start reintegration, that all sort of happened off camera.

It did.

You know, it's funny.

Yeah, I thought of it.

I thought of it.

I wonder

what that would look like.

You know,

what his home life, what his

he's divorced.

The daughter doesn't really talk to him.

You know,

it's a tragic fucking guy.

I know.

It's really, it's really sad he has this daughter.

And we should say the daughter's played by Cassidy Layton, who is excellent.

And you guys were so great together playing Enter Sandman, which is also kind of huge in the lore of the show.

And it's funny kind of thinking back to you starting in a kind of metal band of shorts that it ended up being Enter Sandman.

How did that all come together?

Ben said, listen, can you play this song?

And so I worked with George, Draculius, who

had produced a friend of mine's band, actually.

So my friend Ian Asperius.

Yeah, Ian Aspery, the singer for the cult,

had worked with George.

I worked with Draculius.

And then I don't know if those rehearsals were,

there was a room on the stage that had these giant fans, like air extraction filter.

Sure.

Like they sounded like COVID.

Yeah.

Jet engines.

Yes, they were so loud.

Yeah.

That's where we would rehearse on Zoom with Draculius.

Oh, my God.

So we couldn't hear anything.

Of course not.

So, George, so we had these little amps, and she had the bass, and I had the guitar, and we're like, and George, could you hear this?

Like, I can kind of hear it.

I can kind of turn up a little bit.

I'm like, well, we had the fans, and I said, can we turn the fans off?

They're like, no, we can't turn the fans off.

And I'm like,

okay.

So we did the best we could.

It was great.

Basically winging it is what you're saying.

Winged it, but I knew I could play it.

I mean, I could play it, you know?

And so that was like, and I did, we played it.

It was so sad and so adorable, you guys singing that dark, sad song together.

Isn't that crazy?

Shot on a high eight, like a high A camera, which that was Aoife's episode.

Yeah, Aoife directed that.

And I had never seen the video or heard you sing the song until we were shooting the scene at the funeral.

And it was really profound and really just tragic.

Yeah.

Let's listen to that.

Rock show drive.

Say your prayers, little ones.

Don't forget my son.

To include everyone.

So, you are the first one to kind of establish reintegration sickness.

What did you guys talk about when you, because I know when I had to do it in season two, we really used you and what you did sort of as a template of where to go with it.

What was the context you thought of that?

And where did you kind of find the symptoms and all of that stuff?

I had this conversation with Ben about seizures.

Yeah.

And

petite mall ground mall seizures.

And so there's all these videos

that we watch.

He sent me some videos.

I sent him some videos.

And they're pretty harrowing.

He said, the reintegration, there's going to be you're going to hemorrhage.

It's going to be a brain hemorrhage.

So you're having a seizure and then your brain starts to hemorrhage.

So, and it's excruciating pain.

So those scenes are like,

in those scenes, he's like, okay, Miracle, a lot of pain now.

And like, he's basically, he's, you know, and I was like, yeah, and I was like, jaff, I was like, fuck, you know, you know, and then the convulsions at the convenience store.

Yeah.

And then the sort of dead behind the eyes.

You know, it was literally like trying to figure it out.

You know, look, he's looking at it and we're like, does this work?

Does this work?

You know, he goes, when you come in, like, because I'm walking you know and i come in i was like i'm completely out of my mind i fall down into the

store and the blood and um and then you collapse outside and right i see you and i collapse yeah it's really hard to watch and i had the benefit of you having you and ben kind of figuring it out but i do remember you guys like a lot of stuff on the show try a bunch of different stuff till you kind of zeroed in on what felt right and what what looked right and yeah so i know that you've tried all kinds of stuff.

We did have been exhausting.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know what you can't do.

You're so busy.

We so appreciate you taking the time.

I appreciate it.

I'm so, so happy we got to chat and so happy I got to work with you.

I hope we get to work with each other so soon

sooner rather than later.

Adam, I love you, brother.

I have a lot of admiration and affection for you.

And

just know that.

Know that.

Likewise, pal.

That was my conversation with the great Yule Vasquez.

We're going to take a quick break, and when we're back, Ben and I will answer some of your hotline questions.

Adam,

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Okay, give me a second.

It takes me 10 minutes to close my eyes.

Oh, wait, I did it right away.

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I think they'd love it.

It's efficient.

It's targeted.

We can search words like cure lover and affinity for long hallways.

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Oh, thank you.

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Adam, that was amazing.

Great interview.

Well, thanks, man.

It was super fun.

Why don't we go into some hotline questions?

Great.

Hi, guys.

Praise Kier.

This is Emily G, and I actually work at a dog rescue, and I have been pretty obsessed with Severance for the last couple years.

So that means many dogs have severance-themed names.

So far, I've named a dog Lumen, Harmony, Cobel, Mark, Helly, Keir,

Jane.

And I'm just wondering if you guys have any suggestions for some other names.

Thanks so much.

Love the show and can't wait for next season.

Thank you, Emily G.

That's incredible.

I love that.

I love that.

Well, I mean, the glaring omission, I feel like you have to have a Mr.

Milchik.

100%.

Right.

And I think Innie and Audi, too.

Oh, that's good.

Innie and Audi.

I love that there's a dog at this rescue just named Mark.

Is it Mark or Marked S, though?

Maybe it should be Mark S.

Have you also seen the, like, I've seen people now use like sort of the abbreviation I mark or o mark.

Oh, no, I haven't seen that.

Or like any mark or outie mark.

Why didn't we do that while we were making the show?

I know.

I know.

I know, but it's pretty, it's smart, right?

Yeah.

Any other dog names?

Drummond?

Drummond's great.

Any dog name with a mister?

Because my dog's name is Mo, and we call him Mr.

Moe all the time.

Yeah.

Mr.

Milchik's a great name for a dog.

Dylan G, that's a good name.

Dylan G.

Emil.

Emil, Emile, that's a good one.

What's the name that Audi Mark gets wrong in 210?

Heleny?

Heleny.

That could be one.

Oh, that's a good one.

That was great.

Thank you, Emily.

All right.

Next.

Hi, this is Julia.

Adam and Ben.

You guys are amazing.

My question is for Adam Scott.

If you were to pick any REM song to be part of Severance, what would it be?

Praise Gear.

Wow.

Well, Adam,

did you do a podcast about REM?

Yeah.

You did.

I did.

Wow.

Yeah, we had just about everybody from the band on the podcast.

I saw R.E.M.

play at the 40-watt club in Georgia

back in the 90s.

Yeah.

You did.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

That must have been incredible.

Yeah.

I guess,

I mean, it's the end of the world as we know it is

maybe too much of an on-the-nose pick.

What about losing my religion?

Yeah, that would work.

Everybody hurts would work.

Everybody hurts.

That's probably the way.

There's also a song, a later song that's one of their lesser-known songs that would fit beautifully in the show.

Actually, The Bear used it beautifully, but

Oh, My Heart is a

pretty song and would work very well in the Audi world.

Great question.

Yeah, let's do one more.

Hi, this is Gladys C.

I just had two questions relating to the issue of daylight savings time.

My first is, do they deport daylight savings time in Keir?

Or does Keir have its own period and time zone that is devoid of daylight savings?

My second question, a more serious note, why don't you, given the power and authority you now have through Severance, gather the leaders of the world together and simply agree to move the clocks back 30 minutes?

Why can't we just meet in the middle?

Why can't we all get along?

Praise Kier.

Greg C., you are kicking a hornet's nest over here.

I mean, why not just get the leader?

I mean, you're getting to the heart of a question.

I don't understand why this hasn't happened and don't get me going.

Again, and this will be the last time we ever talk about daylight savings time on this podcast.

I have a feeling that's not true.

Well, another year has gone by.

Fall is approaching.

I think as of recording, we're 56 days away from daylight savings time going away.

My God.

Yeah.

And that's going to, you know, throw us back into darkness too early.

So,

sorry, are you saying to me right now on the record that you aren't looking forward to the clocks pulling back here in the fall?

No.

Yeah.

I am saying I physically dread it.

I'm like, oh my god.

stressed about it.

Yeah, because then it gets dark way earlier.

I love it when that happens in the fall.

Isn't it?

It's like Halloween.

It's like the leaves turning and the clocks turn back and it gets dark at like five.

You don't love that?

All of that can happen without the clocks turning back.

It's still, you still have leaves.

Oh, it's an essential component of going to be darker earlier anyway because the sun is going, because the trajectory of the earth is, you know,

an hour early.

It's not happening anyway.

It's happening anyway.

And we don't have any uniformity on it.

I think

it's one of the few things we can depend on in today's world.

Well, this is why, Adam, you and I will never be able to, I don't know, we're never going to be able to.

It's just like a really different worldview on this.

Agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree.

And, you know, when we're shooting severance and, you know, we're in the stages, you can't tell anyway because there's no windows.

So maybe that's why we get along when we're working.

That's true.

Just season three, no one better bring it up.

That's all I have to say.

Wow.

is that it?

Is that going to be it for us?

I guess that's it.

This has been so fun, man.

So fun.

I am a podcast.

It's sad.

And it's going to, we're coming back, though.

We're going to come back.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

And of course, the show is coming back and we'll be doing the podcast again.

And in the meantime, it's been so much fun doing this with you and

talking to people on the show and, you know, all the different interesting points of view we've had and learning about stuff.

And so I've really enjoyed it.

It's just been fun talking about this thing we've been focusing so much of our time and our lives on and being able to step back a bit and appreciate it with you has been

really rewarding.

Yeah, it's been a little, I think it's been kind of therapeutic in a way.

Yeah, agreed.

Well, thank you for listening.

Thanks for

being fans of the podcast and the show.

And we so appreciate it and really look forward to more.

Same.

I'm Ben Stiller.

And I'm Adam Scott.

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