Chris Moritz: How Kamala Gave California to the Cartels, & the Psychopaths Ruling the Democrat Party

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Probably the greatest disaster since the fall of Rome, I would say. It went from the greatest place, I think it's fair to say, on planet Earth.
Yes, when I grew up in the 70s and 80s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, to a place that

people are fleeing.

And so without blaming Kamala Harris for all of it, it's not all her fault, but someone should have to answer for that. welcome to tucker carlson show we bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else and they're not censored of course because we're not gatekeepers we are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly check out all of our content at tuckercarlson.com.

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You've just written a book on this.

Bless you for doing that.

Are we taping right now?

Yeah, we're live, baby.

Oh, fuck. Yeah.

Everything you say can and will be suggested.

I had a Ron Burgundy moment.

Fuck you, San Diego.

Excuse me.

So as a San Diegan, I've never forgotten that.

So what happened to California? Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons as to how we ended up in a one-party state, how we ended up in a state of decrepitude. and frankly with elements of criminality that are so depraved and savage and dark that they are really unseen outside of the worst conflict zones in the world.
And that is characterized by, let's say, for instance, the rise of child soldiers, juveniles committing a lot of crime.

In fact, maybe driving the crime surge in the state and certainly in Los Angeles. Children.
Children as young as 10 being recruited by gangs to commit armed robbery, hijackings, and even murder. Okay, so now we're just in Mexico.
You're basically describing it. Worse than Mexico.
Worse than Mexico. So there are a million authors of this tragedy, but if you were to point to two or three big facts, big changes, big trends that created the dystopia you're describing, what would they be? Well, so there's a legislative angle to this.
And I think that's a really, really important part of the history and the pathway to destruction. And that started, well, that was influenced by a number of factors.
Principally, there was an important Supreme Court case in 2011 called Brown v. Plata.

And in this decision, which was a 5-4 split, Kennedy was the deciding factor on the liberal side and wrote the opinion. It was determined that the California state prison system was in violation of the Eighth Amendment, which is a cruel, unusual punishment.
And this was was only to the fact that prisons were operating at 200% capacity at that time. And according to this ruling, California had to conform to a very arbitrary capacity ratio that was established by a federal bureaucracy of 137.5%.
Okay.

So if you were at 137.5%, you were no longer in violation of the Eighth Amendment. So as a result of this ruling, California did have to find ways to comply and took a number of steps to do so, a number of laws that I'll discuss.
But coinciding with this ruling and going back further is the emergence of the criminal justice reform movement, principally coming out of places like Stanford Law School and some particular individuals like a gentleman named Mike Romano, who was able to influence the legislature and executive level officers in the state to embrace policies that were part of the criminal justice reform movement and principally dedicated to the idea of reducing the so-called crisis of mass incarceration. So this meant that there was a force coming from the Supreme Court that was motivating this and also ideological activist elements that push for these same reforms at the same time.
so as if I I just ask you this, the formulation there, which I've never thought about till now, mass incarceration, which I don't think any normal person would be in favor of mass incarceration, but that's, you're only describing one side of the coin. The other way to describe it would be the crime wave that we're living through that results, I mean, that results in people going to prison.
Yeah. No one thought to address crime.
Well, so California had up until, let's say, 2011, one of the most stringent criminal justice systems in the entire country. We, of course, like were the force behind the three strikes law, and three strikes put a lot of bad people away forever.
But it had problems too, to be honest. There were problems and there were reforms applied to it to reduce potential injustices, potential injustices.
Right. And I support those.
But nevertheless, three strikes and also the introduction of what are called enhancements. So special circumstance enhancements in which, let's say, you use a gun in a crime, you use a gun that adds 10 years additionally to your conviction.

If you use a gun and you shoot someone,

that's 20 years.

If you use a gun and kill someone, it's life.

So that's an enhancement.

If you're a gang member and engage in whatever crime,

gang enhancements would apply and those would add to the sentencing. These things were all eliminated and obliterated in big parts by directives that came from the so-called Soros DAs, the progressive DAs in 2020.
but the dismantling you know started really

following this Supreme Court case. So the first law that was a big problem and put us on this path was called AB 109.
It's called the Public Safety Realignment Act. And the idea was to reduce the number of prisoners in the state system, you would transfer so-called nonviolent, non-sexual, low-risk offenders to county jails.
there's a problem though and the problem

and the sort of poison pill within it

was the issue of

what classes there's a problem though and the problem and the sort of poison pill within it was the issue of what classified non-violent non-sexual low-risk offenders because under ab109 the only offense that would be considered was the last defense for which you were convicted.

So in other words, inmates with long and violent criminal histories who happened to be in jail and say prison because of a nonviolent offense were eligible for this system and they were transferred out, 27,000. it with that, we still didn't meet the capacity threshold, 137.5, but this was one of the steps to do so.
Here's the other challenge. Do you even think of building more prisons? Well, you know, we don't have the money.
You can't build anything in California. California was bankrupt at that time.
Yeah. Right? And actually, like Jerry his credit, did a lot earnestly to try and straighten the, right the ship of California's fiscal situation.
But these kinds of policies specific to jailing were totally ill-conceived. And so with AB 109, all of these prisoners go into county jails, but the county jails don't have the resources to house them.
They don't have the funds to staff them. And so the outcome is that many are just released into the communities.
Kamala Harris is elected attorney general in 2010, narrowly beating Steve Cooley, who is probably the last great district attorney of Los Angeles, a Republican. By the way, he's the only Republican she's ever run against

other than Trump. And he lost to her by just a few thousand votes, which, and just this is an interesting coda, is that there were also odd circumstances around that election.
Steve was ahead and then you know

kind of in 2020 fashion

there was

a surge of her votes.

But anyway, she's elected to California Attorney General in 2010. And her first big task is administering AB 109.
because as the head of the California Justice Department,

she really has the most, you know, highest level of presence in for sure understanding the budgetary constraints of the counties and what everyone was warning her, including the California District Attorneys Association, police unions, this law was going to be a big problem.

And she supported it.

She did nothing to try and bring more resources to these county jails.

And this is a theme, actually, we'll see over and over again in California, where the state has some failure, some bureaucratic incompetency or shortfall in the budget or some issue. And the strategy at Sacramento is to simply move that problem, shift it to localities, to counties to manage, which are also struggling.
So it's kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul and nothing changes. So after AB 109 went into effect, the next year, property crimes went up 9%.
And moreover, 61% of those offenders who were eligible for this program, and by the way, it's retroactive, 61% are arrested within a year, and 41% are convicted again. So clearly, the recidivism rate created by this law was a major problem.
Fast forward to 2014 and the worst of them all comes out of strategy, political strategy consultant firms in San Francisco, who, by the way, backed Kamala Harris and to great, great extent. And this is called Prop 47.
Yes. So Prop 47 was marketed to Californians.
And I should say for people who don't understand California politics, we have this, you know, a system that allows for, you know, really important legislation to be put forward directly to the voters. And that's how a lot of very, very big laws in California have like- The initiative system.
Yeah. Like Prop 13.
Exactly. And Prop 17.
Exactly. Which we can talk about.
But Prop 47. This was the stealing legalization.
It's called just euphemistically the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act.

And the idea behind it was we would, again, address the mass incarceration problem, reduce the prison capacity by shifting, again, nonviolent offenders out of state prisons and treating thefts under $950 as misdemeanors. Prior to this law, thefts at $400 would be felony grand larceny.
And this law changed it such that it

would have to be above $950 to become a felony. So as a consequence of this, oh, there was also,

as another factor of Prop 47 was that drug possession would no longer be a felony. It would be treated as a misdemeanor.
And this has also exacerbated the drug and homeless problem. In fact, I think in the years right after Prop 47 went into effect, the number of ER overdose cases was up 25%.
So this is the law that legalized stealing and drug use. Correct.
Effectively. So I remember this very well.
And I think I remember Rob Reiner, who's an enemy of civilization, being one of the many celebrity backers of this. But it was quite popular.
I mean, like a lot of famous people were behind this. Oh, yeah.
Well, Kamala Harris wrote the law that appeared on the ballot. Kamala Harris did? Yes, because in California, the attorney general of the state will write the language and the title for every proposition put before the vote.
Harris is the one who wrote the Legalized Stealing Act. Yes.
And I will tell you, Steve Cooley calls it fraud by misrepresentation. And there is a poison pill within Prop 47 that is quite shocking.
And she was actually called out for it by the Sacramento Bee. And that is that these reclassified offenders would no longer be subject to mandatory and standard DNA testing.

As a result, DNA testing for across the state went from 15,000 a month to 5,000 a month. And DNA testing is super, super critical for the solving of cold case homicides, rapes, and other violent crimes that are typically associated with people with track records of crime.
So these nonviolent, larceny type offenders are very likely, or at least it should be investigated, whether they have some kind of connection to other crimes, as we've seen everywhere. A small number of people commit the overwhelming majority of crime in every society.
So Kamala Harris's description in the ballot for 47 basically obfuscated this issue of the DNA testing. And the Sacramento Bee called her out on it and said that this was effectively a misrepresentation and a failure on her part to omit this information from the voters.
Or the authors of this are like taking the side of rapists over the population. Oh yeah.
And, and well, I'll tell you also, she was not alone in writing this, the, the, the language. I mean, Kamala Harris doesn't do anything right.
Right. She does.
She, she's a facilitator and an opportunist and everything, every action really she has taken in California has been on the basis of what is good for Kamala Harris.

But what I have heard from my sources, who certainly would know, with Prop 47, it was significantly influenced in terms of the language by prominent figures from the criminal justice reform movement and even entities affiliated with George Soros, who's always been a funder of criminal justice reform. So they sold this as good for the California budget, good for the safety of your neighborhood, sort of the opposite of the truth, well, literally the opposite of the truth.
And people bought it. What was the margin? 60%.
60%? Yes. Committed civilizational suicide without knowing it.
Yes. We sowed our own demise.
Yes. And we did so because our leaders manipulate language.
Nonviolent offender, for instance, is not nonviolent offender. In fact, in the next law that came about that was, again, on our pathway to destruction, Prop 57, which passed in 2016, that law, again, which Kamala Harris wrote the language for and which she was excoriated by other Democrats when she was running for higher office, particularly Loretta Sanchez.
Prop 57 was, again, to address mass incarceration and would offer additional parole opportunities for offenders that were deemed to be, quote, nonviolent. But what is nonviolent under Prop 57? It is anything that is not one of 23 specific crimes that is in an obscure section of the penal code.
So nonviolent could be drug trafficking, human trafficking, rape by intoxication, some forms of assault, financial crimes, serious financial crimes. And basically, these offenders under this provision would have opportunities for parole and also parole administration was also passed down to the county levels, who, again, didn't have the resources to handle this new burden.
So there's a striking example of- This was a ballot initiative also. Ballot initiative also passed, again, I think by a pretty good margin not as, not as famous infamous as 47, but you know, very destructive.
There's a case of a, of a offender released under this who went on to kill like four or five people in a mass shooting gang related like like within two years of release. Because of course, when they would go into the parole system, the parole system is completely incommodent at the local levels.
Again, they do not have the resources. And there was a participation rate of offenders of 9% in rehabilitation programs.
And the cornerstone of 57 was we are taking these people that are nonviolent and they can be redeemed, right? But it's really just a gimmick that is driven by, again, this mandate by the Supreme Court, but also by the influence of criminal justice reform advocates. Natural disasters, wars, political conflicts, the recent threatened dock worker strikes at ports around the country.
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So now is the time to get to motive. What would be the motive of a so-called criminal justice reformer of George Soros? Kamala Harris's motives are always political, so we already answered that question.
But of the sincere believers in this stuff, the idea that the criminals are the real victims, freedom, stealing should be legal, et cetera, et cetera. What's driving them? Well, I think there are those who are pushed for these initiatives who are just pure sociopaths, and they are not really committed ideologically.
They galvanize around it because it's in vogue and it allows them access to money like Soros money. George Gascon is probably the greatest example of this.
not an ideologue by the way a very bad stupid lawyer

from what everyone says

but not an ideologue

a sociopath is how he's been described to me, as have some of these other rogue prosecutors. But then there's the true believers.
And within criminal justice reform, I think that it's fair to say there's a spectrum of radicalism. You know, some i i think uh uh have like good intentions um you know we we do want rehabilitation in society we do want um the opportunity to um build your one's life back by a bad choice like that's like that's a christian Christian value.
Of course. But it goes much, much deeper than that.
And I think that as you, as you peel back the layers of criminal justice reform and look at what they're specifically advocating for, it ranges not only from mass incarceration solutions, but also frankly defunding the police, pacifying the police through, you know, ideas like community policing, in which police are sort of characterized now as social workers rather than law enforcement. Emasculating them, turning them into women.
Of course, emasculating them. Well, literally emasculating them.
Literally. I mean, women now make a huge portion of overall cops, and the cops I've talked to who are like serious, serious threatening figures, but good guys, they see the police today as an absolute joke.
And I can tell you, and I'll get into it about how bad it's getting at the LAPD and other law enforcement agencies, but through erosion because of these policies and morale erosion. But back to criminal justice reform, I think that it's really important to strip away euphemisms.
And if, when, when tenets of this movement, it became apparent to me that not only did it place the offender above victim, It fundamentally resulted in the diffusion of crime and the spreading of suffering as a policy choice. So as laws like- So trying to wreck other people's neighborhoods, safe neighborhoods, affluent neighborhoods, white neighborhoods with crime on purpose because they were orderly, affluent, and white.
That's right. And I can tell you, like, for instance, the...
So that's not a figment of the imagination. That's an actual choice, you think? Well, for sure, BLM activists say that mass stealing of retail stores is a form of reparation.

I call this crime equity, this concept.

And it's not even something said in jest or flippantly.

It's actually a very deep and dark idea with historical analogs.

I think particularly pertinent would be what happened in Rhodesia, where criminals are

released from prisons en masse and sent on essentially government-sanctioned theft of

white farmer land and other property.

And this is a form of, you know, kind of anarchic tyranny.

Right. So this is crime as a means of totalitarian control and as a tool of racial grievance.

It is a crime as a means to redress historical grievances through collective punishment. So we're mad about what your ancestors did.
So we hope your daughter gets raped. Correct.
Yeah. That's about as evil as it gets.
Yeah. And I will give you some example.
The second in charge at the LA County district attorney's office,

the chief of staff,

a woman named Tiffany Blacknell,

who,

you know,

is proud to have been a rioter and looter in the 1992 Rodney King.

Who's a prosecutor?

She came from the public defender's office.

Gascon has filled the. Wait, but she is currently a prosecutor? She is Gascon's chief of staff.
Wow. She was a rioter? Yeah.
She's written about this. During the race riots of 92.
Correct. Where people were murdered for their skin color.
Yeah, Asians in particular. Yeah, and whites.
Yeah. But lots of Koreans.
Yeah, well, we'll get to the issue of Asians being targeted because that's another phenomenon that's taking place. But Tiffany Blacknell is a avowed racist.
She wears a T-shirt that she's posted on Instagram that says, like, police are trained to kill us. And she is effectively number two at the DA's office.
When Santa Monica and the west side of Los Angeles was being firebombed during the George Floyd riots, and citizens were bemoaning this. That's the white part of town, just for those who weren't from town.
Tiffany Blacknell said, oh, go cry me a river. Out loud? She posted on Twitter or Facebook.
That's really scary. Well, I mean, this is who Gascon has surrounded himself with.
So Tiffany Blackenal is a great example of like a true believer. Gascon, no, he's too stupid to be a believer.
Like Kamala Harris. I find it very ridiculous when people say Kamala Harris is a Bolshevik.
Because to be a Bolshevik, you actually have to know about philosophy. You have to know about dialectics.
You have to make it through Das Kapital. Kamala Harris only knows Kamala Harris, although she doesn't even know that because we can't figure out what her name is.
She's a child, obviously. She's a tool of greater power, obviously.
I mean, she wound up there by accident because of her skin color. So the laws continue to get worse from there.
And in 2020, that was the catalyst. So the George Floyd...
But just to be clear, I just want to linger on this for one second. Just to be clear, you believe that crime is not an accident.
Crime is a result of intentional policy. Crime is the point of the policy.
And part of the aim is to punish people for their skin color with crime. Of course.
Well, not of course. That's the sickest thing I've heard this year.
Well, it's extremely evil and it is demonstrably the case because these laws were so, they were so obviously negligent and reckless. Everyone knew, all the law enforcement agencies, all the district attorneys came out against these kinds of initiatives saying that the result is going to be dangerous criminals on the street.
Dangerous criminals on the street. This is our future.
And they passed it anyway. The voters passed it.
Kamala Harris wrote the language. And again, Prop 47 is called the Safe Schools and Neighborhoods Act.
Right? So the idea is that the funding, budget savings from moving, from not classifying these larcenies as felonies and thereby being misdemeanors, which are not ever, ever enforced or prosecuted, would save millions of dollars that would then be redirected to schools. Did the schools get great in California? The schools are worse than ever.
Are the neighborhoods safer? No, of course not. Like, LA is as quite as violent as it was during the 1990s, which was at the peak of the drug war between the Bloods and the Crips.
However, we're getting there. And the difference between now and then is that back then gangsters were killing each other.
They were killing each other for who owned what street corner to sell drugs. Now the violence is turned against all of us.
The taxpayers, the people who created the society and sustain it with their labor. So that is how I sort of- Because the gangs did not create Los Angeles or the United States or anything of value in this country at all.
They create nothing. They only destroy, just to be clear.
And so while all of us are equal in the eyes of God and all of us are equal as American citizens, we're not all equal in our effects. Some of us are creators and others are destroyers.
And you're saying that the destroyers are now killing the creators. I'm saying that destroyers run California.
Man. And I can tell you that's not hyperbole.
And really in many ways, California is actually under the sovereignty of the Mexican drug cartels. And this happened primarily.
California is under the sovereignty of the Mexican drug cartels. Sovereignty.
Sovereignty is this idea that one power exerts influence on another and allows some autonomy of the subordinate power. It's often been used in geopolitical analysis to, for instance, describe how Roman Empire administered...
Gaul. Right, exactly.
So there's a semblance of autonomy, but there is still ultimately a power that is answered to. And the reason that the Mexican drug cartels, I think, qualify for that is because sometime around 2010, all this bad stuff happened in 2010.
And if I may even say, like, you know, when we last spoke about the trans issue, that also really got into effect in 2010. It's peak Obamaism is what it is.
but in an event so I think in retrospect we can say that Obama was a destroyer that the intent was to

subvert and destroy the United States, and that some people called that early. They were derided as crazy or racist.
They weren't either one of those things. They were prescient.
I always took him completely deadly serious when he said he was going to change America. And he did.
Yes. Maybe forever.
But in any event, around 2010, there was a hostile takeover of the narcotics distribution market in California, which had been otherwise the domain of black gangs. Native-born black people.
Legacy black gangs had run narcotics and dope trading. Can I just say, at least, you know, even if they're drug dealers or gang members, they're still Americans.
Oh, let me tell you something. And we share a common history.
Actually, they have principles. That's kind of the point I was making.
At least they're part of this country, for sure. I'll tell you in a minute how principled they are.
Maybe we even agree with them on some things because— I suspect we're voting the same way this November. Just throwing that out there.
Well, so when the cartels moved into California, they said to all the black gangs, if you sell dope without our permission, we will,

quote, cut your head off. And they meant that literally.
They meant that literally. So every black gang had to then find an alternative revenue stream or get their dope supply from the cartels, from Hispanic gangs, because all Hispanic gangs in California kind of operate as a extension of

gangs above them

which is Hispanic gangs in California kind of operate as a extension of gangs above them, which are based in prison. And that's another issue.
But the highest level gang in California is called the Mexican Mafia. And it's a prison gang.
And this gang is the ultimate authority, really, on all Latino gangs in the state. There are 200,000 to 300,000 gang members in California, 63%.
200,000 to 300,000? Yes. For reference, the U.S.
National Guard has 250,000 members. There's 1.2 million gang members in the United States.
And in California, 63%. So that's bigger than the active duty U.S.
military. Yeah.
I think so. Oh, wow.
And 63% are Latino. So as a result of this volume and numerical and numerical advantage they control the prisons so the mexican mafia which is actually like uh you know a legacy organization it has a long history oh long history 50 years anyway um and they are incredibly powerful um and and as as it was told to me by this incredible LA County Sheriff Sergeant, who, and I'm not going to mention the names of any of my sources for their protection and safety, but this gentleman said to me that he was head of Major Crimes Bureau for the LA County Sheriffs and 25

year veteran of the force, now

in private security.

And he said to me that

the prisons rule the street.

So effectively,

the criminal economy

of California, which is in

the tens of billions,

maybe a hundred billion,

passes

through California

state prisons.

Thank you. tens of billions, maybe a hundred billion, passes through California state prisons.
So that is a prima facie indictment of the failure of our prisons because from prison, the Mexican mafia is ordering hits, running drug trades, human trafficking, you name it. And they do so as proxies of the Mexican drug cartels.
In Mexico. Yes.
So this is- Well, they're not in Mexico. They're in California.
But this is exactly what destroyed El Salvador and has wrecked Mexico and Guatemala is drug gangs operating, their leaders operating from prison. With impunity.
With impunity. So let's ask you just a side note because I can't resist.
So in Mexico, Guatemala, and Salvador, and probably other countries as well, the drug gangs are effectively religious organizations based on Satanism. Oh, absolutely.
Is that true in California as well? Well, I will tell you that the law enforcement and prosecutors that I talked to would say that the illegal alien gang element is characterized by extreme violence. Right.
Like extreme. Like ISIS violence.
Right. Unnecessary violence.
Not just shooting people to death as the black gangs historically do. There's a lot of reasons for that.
I mean, in my research,

I couldn't help but sort of trace like the anthropological and historical basis

for this extreme violence.

We're back to the Aztecs, aren't we?

Well, of course.

Yeah, of course.

Of course, because you have to consider the fact

that we've seen so-called narco-terrorists,

narco-empires many, many times since the 70s.

Yeah.

Thank you. You have to consider the fact that we've seen so-called narco-terrorists, narco-empires many, many times since the 70s.
Yeah. And yeah, they killed a lot of people, but they shot them.
Or they used car bombs or basic kind of mafia-style hits. And that is also the case for the Italian mafia.
The Genoveses sold heroin. They didn't behead anyone.

And that's the case for the triads.

Exactly.

It's the case for the Russians even.

Yes.

But in Mexico and in Central America, what we see is what I call cultural atavism. And it's the notion that there are certain cultural traits and practices that survive the generations and are amalgamated into a new society and mexico is a very i mean it's a wonderful place in many many ways i agree i love it but it is a fusion of indigenous uh you know indigenous people and Spanish Catholics.
And European. Right.
And many of those traits from that survived the Aztec period. And I will tell you the level of brutality of the Aztecs is beyond belief.
They killed 200,000 people a year least, in sacrifice. The Aztecs were so committed to human sacrifice and not just sacrifice, but the torture of living people unto death.
And children, by the way. Of course.
And not just the Aztecs, but the Maya and the Inca also. That it does, in the end, as much as you sort of hate the conquistadors because they were brutal and all that, you root for the conquistadors with everything you have.
Of course. I will tell you, the Aztecs worshipped a lightning and rain god called Tlaloc.
And when there were droughts, they would sacrifice their children. And they believed that the tears of their children as they walked up the steps of the pyramid to have their hearts ripped out would be taken by the gods and transformed transmortified into rain yeah so this is the culture you see this with with in some native american cultures in north america as well where it's not simply a matter of killing people, but of prolonging their suffering as an offering to the spirit world.

There's not a guess, by the way. The cartels emerge from this kind of amalgamation culture, and they have alters.

They have alters with human skulls and other kind of icons that are indigenous to Mesoamerica. There's even a cartel icon, or idol, I should say, called Santa Muerte, which is you see on a lot of cartel tattoos and so forth.
And MS-13 is even more demonic. Although that was born in California, in Los Angeles, by the way.
Like, it came from Los Angeles, San Salvador, and destroyed El Salvador. Exactly.
So, but witchcraft is at the heart of this. And I don't think that's incidental.
It's not... Animism.
Yeah, that's right. Or, exactly.
But it's a religious cult as well as a business organization. Exactly.
And that's why I feel it's so critical to understand this dynamic. It's not just a historically interesting facet, but the fact is that we have brought in millions, 12 million migrants, many of them coming from this triangle, right, in Central America.
And it's really important to understand who are these people? And especially, let's say, the two million gotaways, which is often cited as the pure criminal element amongst the migrant invasion. And because there was all migrants that are looking for economic benefits or whatever, they turned themselves into ICE.
And Tom Homan told me this directly. They turned themselves into ICE.
And under the Biden administration, ICE, as Homan put it, has been reduced to, instead of enforcement, changing diapers and making sandwiches. But for those 2 million that evade ICE, they are doing so that they are not put into the system and they are pure gangsters.
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So you said before I sidetracked you into a really interesting cul-de-sac, thank you for that. But that they're the single most powerful force in the state of California, Mexican drug cartels.
Insofar as that they control ultimately through proxies the entire criminal economy of California. Amazing.
Now there's another factor of this. So it displaced, so black crime that people fretted about for years is like not a thing anymore.
No, it went somewhere else. They had to find other alternative revenue streams, other verticals.
And what was the safest alternative and also highly lucrative? Residential burglaries and retail theft. So all of the retail theft that you see, that we see in the media of these Nordstroms being- Right, looted.
Yeah, by hordes of thieves. That's not just like incidental individual acts of like larceny.
Right. That is all organized by gangs.
And the market for the resale, the fencing it's called, in California, maybe just even Los Angeles, is like $10 billion. Nationwide retail thefts are $100 billion.
Where is it resold? It's resold through fencers. eBay.
Yeah, eBay. It's, you know, like pawn shops, but I think primarily on the internet or to, you know, even perhaps other companies.
You know, it passes through multiple layers, right? And, you know, so these fencing operations are extremely lucrative. So there's that angle to it.
And it's resulted in the emergence of trends within these kinds of burglaries called flocking or jugging or knock-knock burglaries or follow-home burglaries. And basically, flocking is a term that refers to penetrating a safe neighborhood, blending into that neighborhood, targeting a particular person that they've perhaps,

through social media, identified as potentially wealthy, and then going on missions into these neighborhoods

to rob them, tie them up, home invasions, whatever.

But what's quite interesting is that there are some gangs

that have become so good at it

that they now actually act as consultants to other gangs to teach them how to flock. So what does that look like from the victim's perspective? Well, it could look like getting tied up.
It could look like you're not home and you come home and everything's gone. A knock-knock bur uh, is just like what it sounds like.

Uh, uh, criminals will, uh, you know, knock knock on a door. If someone's home, maybe they don't proceed with a crime, but sometimes they do.
Um, and I can tell you a story that I heard, uh, uh, that really, truly shocked me. It took place also in Santa Monica, um, which is where i'm from um that uh there was a case of a a single woman in her home it's in a nice part of santa monica and a uh these two guys gangsters attempt to knock knock on her and they breach the door and her dogs attack these guys so badly that the altercation moves into the street and they are wounded by the dogs.
She calls the police. Police show up and the gangsters claim that their dogs attacked them and the cops called animal control.

And she moved out to Texas after that. That's crazy.
But it's also kind of in miniature the bigger problem, which is in California, the state is on the side of the criminal against the citizens. So if I can turn it to like a personal anecdote, about a year ago, my home in Santa Monica, which it's an affluent neighborhood, but like my house is for sure the most dilapidated on the block.
It's been in my family, you know, through my great grandparents. My brother and I live there and own it.
And in September of last year, we were subject to two home invasion robberies in a row. Although I should say, technically, these are what's called a hot prowl burglary, which means that residents are in the property when the burglary takes place, but don't necessarily confront the burglar.
If they confront them, it's like a home invasion. So there's a little distinction.
Wait, there was someone home when the- My brother and I were home asleep in the house when the burglar came in and through brazenly through, and we were kind of naive because we thought California, Santa Monica is the greatest place in the world. Right.
So like we had a, our alarm system was not, was not like on and the back, you know, back patio doors unlocked. So how he knew that, I don't know.
But it was a well-lit house. You know, there's houses on either side, signs indicating like an alarm system.
And yet that did not stop him. And so we woke up the next day and my brother was in the main house.
We have a little casita, kind of converted garage, where I happened to um during when this took place and i came into the house and uh the door back door was wide open and um i went up to my room and my entire room was destroyed every every valuable item i've ever had in my life was taken heirlooms from my grandparents, gifts from my parents for graduation.

Really just like token memories.

And so it was pretty devastating.

And we called the police, San Francisco Police.

They showed up 12 hours later.

They said that when they finally came, that the delay was due to the fact that they're dealing with so many homeless overdoses. So they dust for fingerprints and say, yeah, this is going to be, this is a serious crime and we will take it seriously and don't worry.
Well, the next night, it happens again. The next night? The next night, yeah.
The next night, he happens again. The next night?

The next night, yeah.

The next night, he dismantles a window in our dining room, which is also my office.

And he took whatever was left, which was nothing.

There was nothing left.

I mean, the guy would steal things like Easter eggs, like sunglasses, like a letter opener, in addition to really valuable stuff.

And I believe he came back a third night because I saw a car lurking in the middle of the night outside of our house.

And I saw a figure in this vehicle that ultimately matched the description of the perpetrator who was caught about a month later. And the story behind this is, I think, really quite interesting and was the reason why I undertook the research that I've done.
Because the guy who did this to us was an illegal alien, a dreamer actually, an MS-13 gang member with a convicted felon who had done seven years in prison, in California state prison for violent crimes. He was deported by Trump administration, Homeland Security immediately after getting out of prison.
In fact, he notes,

I read the whole police report of this in the course of my trying to understand what took place.

And it's funny, he comments to the cops during his interrogation that as soon as he was released

from state prison, ICE immediately picked him up and deported him back to El Salvador. Immediately.
And while he was in El Salvador, he had his MS-13 face tattoo removed. And he was in El Salvador for about a year or so and then went back, then traveled to France, for whatever reason.

The guy had a, his day job was as a carpenter. And, you know, actually his primary language was English.
So I guess we can be thankful for that. Thank you, Lindsey Graham and the Dream Act.
but he sneaks back into the US in 2021

during the Bideniden wave of migration and he proceeds to go on a rampage he does have a kid too at this time so we now have a u.s citizen um to deal with uh and um he he robs a dozen houses in the same manner all over la county but also in ventura county he robs the home of a judge a very like well-respected criminal judge who presided over the michael jackson death trial um it's funny the police report notes that he took the judge's small-wristed Seiko watch.

And just like the guy would took anything and everything.

He took, you know, I saw the police reports and he was taking wedding rings.

He took a Catholic rosary box.

Like there was nothing that was above limits.

He, you know, again, like he stole memories from people and he did so callously and with impunity. And he was eventually arrested in Simi Valley, which is in Ventura County, which is tougher on crime overall than in L County, but not by much.
And when he was arrested by a joint task force in the middle of the day, he was in his vehicle with his wife and child in the back seat. The police found on him a loaded stolen Kimber handgun with hollow point bullets.
They found body armor, which by the way is a federal crime because he's a convicted felon. You cannot have body armor as a convicted felon.
It's a federal crime. they found strange things like a bachelor's

degree diploma from Armenia

currency

foreign currency

foreign currency, knives, like it went on and on and on. And like, he was clearly, clearly a violent person.
And when he was brought into interrogation, the officer assigned to him started by saying, thank you for not opening fire on us. We really appreciate that.

And he said, don't thank me because I was planning on killing you and for sure, quote, going Eric's on you, whatever that means, and taking my last stand, had it not been for the fact that my wife and kids were in the car because he said, I'm never going back to jail. So fast forward to his arraignment in Ventura County.

He's convicted on one count of one of these charters, maybe two counts. But in any event, he's sentenced to two years in jail and a $300 fine, and he'll probably serve less than that.
$300 fine? Yeah. Did you get any of your stolen goods back? No, no.
The way I was

notified was because he had

my driver's license and

credit cards.

And so, as part of the

investigation, they called all the other

victims. They also relayed

this information to Santa Monica police.

Santa Monica police,

despite the fact that they had a

forensics team come in and

swab and take this really

seriously, like CSI style stuff. The assigned detective on my case has still a year, more than a year later, not even called me or attempted to interview me.
They have no interest. And I've followed up many, many, many times.
They just don't care. They don't care because there's no incentive to care because these crimes are considered property crimes in Los Angeles County.
Even though you were asleep in your home when this guy with a history of violence enters your home with you in it. And if my brother had been awake and woken up, I think there's a high chance of a violent interaction that would have taken place.
I mean, I'm sure he was, had a, had a gun or a weapon on him when he did this. There's no re there's absolutely no reason to doubt that.
So it's a miracle actually that, that, that we're okay. But I was so shocked by, by what happened.
And of course, after the second night, you just lose sense of like reality. Like, how is this happening? Like this can't, am I being targeted? Like, and the cops really had no explanation for this.
I think that this guy thought we were an easy mark because it was, it's an old house. There's still a handicapped parking sign in front of the house.
You know, it's a, from my grandparents time. So he probably presumed there were old people living in the house, you know, and predators go for the week.
And so I, in an attempt to try and like intellectualize and frame this experience, which still haunts us to this day, I mean, you never feel quite the same in the home. And that's a terrible thing when a home that's been in your family for almost four generations is stained and violated.
It almost feels like an assault, like a sexual assault even. It's a very, very strange feeling.
I mean, burglaries gut you. And it's made all the worse by the fact that victims are re-victimized by the justice system in California.
And so as I started to talk to prosecutors and law enforcement officers about how this could have happened, what is going on in the state, is this common? Like, how could it be common? I spoke to a very, very well-respected victims' rights advocate and veteran deputy district attorney for LA County, a liberal, by the way, named Kathleen Cady. And in the course of my interview and telling this story, she said, what's so important about your story is that it's so relatable.
And I said, relatable? Like, how is this in any way relatable that an MS-13 gang member, convicted felon, dreamer, illegal alien could break into your house brazenly two nights in a row, probably armed, threatened to kill police officers, and get two years in prison.

And this is relatable. So if that is the case, then the system is fundamentally broken.
And in fact, I would go so far as to say that the entire, look, civilization is based around the social contract. and the tenets of the social contract is that we surrender certain freedoms to the government, to the state, which is supposed to have a monopoly on violence.
And the state in turn provides protection to us from the anarchic state of nature, as Hobbes put it. So, right, not just in turn, but in exchange for.
Yes, it's a transaction. It's a transaction.
We're buying safety and peace of mind in exchange for our money and some of our autonomy. Exactly.
And that contract has been breached and broken in California. So at that point, it's just theft.
Well, it negates the entire legitimacy of the government. Well, that's exactly right.
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You can go to heritage.org slash in la as a kid i think it was overwhelmingly white the city and now it's overwhelmingly non-white. That's not a racist statement to acknowledge.
It's a fact and as taken by the Department of Census every 10 years. And it's a massive change.
It's an incredibly abrupt change. In fact, it's a bigger change than probably any civilization ever in in history has experienced except during war except during invasion so like is that's a meaningful fact and how'd that happen well i'll give you a statistic in the la uh la uh school district um la us, 195,000 students

are English learners.

There's 90 languages officially

spoken in LAUSD.

27%

of California is foreign-born.

Of the whole, 27%?

Of the entire state is foreign-born,

mind you. That doesn't mean

like, you know, first generation,

which adds, probably makes a majority at that point. In 1990, it was 20%, which is still high.
That was very much because of the Reagan amnesty from the 80s. 86.
86. But today it's 27%.
And the national average, I think, is% something like that maybe a little higher much higher now but California is by far has the greatest foreign presence in the state and I think that the reason for this is that long ago, you know, and long before these laws that I've been discussing and will discuss, enacted policies that incentivized illegal aliens to come to the state because they would get welfare benefits. They would get basically more rights than the citizens.
In fact, I will tell you, the junior prosecutors I talked to for this research say that under George Gaston, and this also is applied to other jurisdictions, including actually under Kamala's policies. But in LA County, illegal aliens who commit certain crimes are given special plea deals that would never, ever, ever be given to a US citizen for the specific purpose of protecting them from ICE.
So to me, that's a due process violation. So, I do think anybody who advocates for not just illegal immigration or mass immigration, but any immigration of any kind, has to account first for California.
So, here's a state in which it's been tried to the greatest possible extent and it went from the best state to the worst state. Now, maybe you could say immigration had nothing to do with that, but you can't say immigration didn't change California.
And the fact is California has become a much worse place to live, and the immigration numbers from California prove that. Six million have left California in the last 10 years.
Okay, so these are- $27 billion in revenue the state has lost as a result of that. Right.
So these are not like opinions. This is not crazed right-wing ideology.
These are just numbers about our biggest and most important state, the biggest economy in the United States. Part of that also, Tucker, is the de-industrialization of California.
For sure. There are lots of factors.
I'm just saying if immigration is good, then how about you explain California before you impose any more of it on me? Of course. Well, California is a warning not just to the nation, but to civilization.
And what's the warning? The warning is that oligarchy is always at your doorstep and in reach. and if it's not vigilantly guarded against, it will consume you, it will terrorize you, it will control every aspect of your life and reduce you to a state of misery.
Because California has now stratified into something that I think Victor Davis Hanson has very eloquently discussed that, you know, over the years, which is that California has actually regressed into some kind of political economy that is reflecting neo-feudalism, even, where you have a very small, extremely rich, the most powerful, super rich in the world, and an underclass of serfs. And the middle class have left and are leaving more and more costs of living, other reasons, de-industrialization, the overall disintegration of the state, which the elites are insulated from, of course.
They have private security. Of course.
And private schools or tutors. Everything.
And so the aristocracy rules the state, and yet in California, because language is manipulated in almost Orwellian fashion oligarchy has become to mean progressive or quote democracy I guess what and I've heard Victor say that thing and I've nodded along as he said it and not to be picky about it but if I could just defend feudalism against what we're seeing in California right now, the idea of feudalism, while repugnant to the American mind, in my mind, was still based on mutual need. The guy who owned the property, the lord of the manor, was dependent upon his serfs as they were dependent upon him.
I mean, it was a symbiotic relationship. For sure.
So if the serfs died, he became impoverished. Well, the symbiotic relationship here is that the serfs provide electoral hegemony.
For sure. But I guess what I'm saying is over time, a feudal family had a built-in incentive to, at the bare minimum, make sure that their serfs weren't dying of fentanyl ODs.
Oh, yeah. Whereas I don't see that happening in California.
They have no skin in the game. 2022 to 2023, there were 11,400 fentanyl overdose, the highest in the country.
In California. California.
So, yeah, I guess they don't, maybe to put a finer point on it, the people who, whereas the lord in feudalism needed the labor of the serfs, the lords of California do not need the labor of their serfs. Of course not, because the industries are service industries or they're tech, and they require a very, very small number of people to do it.
Right. And that's part of the deindustrialization, financialization of the state, which provided for middle class jobs and opportunity that is increasingly fleeting and fleeing in the state and especially in Southern California.

And as a result of that, especially the exodus of aerospace and defense industries from the state, we have, you know, Republican voters have left.

And L.A. County, which used to be a Republican stronghold, became a blue stronghold.
And at that point, California became a one party state and one party states are, are characterized by corruption. Yes.
Inefficiency, psychosis, I would argue, um, and, uh, all sorts of evils and ultimately uh it's it is the antithesis of democracy and of course that is exactly what um these people claim that they are defending democracy exclamation point yeah no the the ironies are manifold can you just back up one moment i never thought about that So you said one party states abet corruption, of course, inefficiency, all true, psychosis. Why do you say that?

Well, I think because of the laws that we've seen put into effect, the laws are so obviously going to engender criminality across the state, right?

It's like in law, you know, in torts, we, you know, the idea of negligence is the foreseeability of harm. Right.
And that is what really triggers a liability. You knew this could happen, but you let it happen anyway.
It is a form of psychotic, sociopathic behavior, and certainly many of the people implementing these policies are raving psychopaths.

A really impressive young deputy district attorney in Alameda County said to me with respect to the kind of progressive DA of that county named Pamela Price, that she's, quote, a raging psychopath who wants to burn down civilization. And I will tell you that every prosecutor that I spoke to, and I spoke to 10 over the course of 30 hours of interviews, and I also spoke to, you know, equal number of cops.
But the one commonality that every single prosecutor I talked to mentioned was that there seems to be a motivation by the true believers of burning the system down. They are Jacobins.
They are radical anarchists. They want to hurt you.
They want to kill you. I mean, I'm going right to the spiritual explanation for that, but is there another? Like, what could motivate that? I mean, look, if you're asking, I mean, of course, like personal power, right? So, like, George Gascon is not, you know, it's been told to me by people who would know him that he's not particularly ideological.
He was a lousy LAPD cop that apparently everyone hated. He moved to Arizona at some point, got a law degree in an unaccredited law school.

And through the machinations of the one-party state,

which, of course, elevates people based entirely on, has this identity checkmark been met or not?

Kamala is the avatar of that.

But he ends up as district attorney of San Francisco

and appointed by Gavin Newsom and mayor, succeeding Kamala Harris. And he follows the money, Steve Cooley puts this very eloquently, he follows the money, the Soros money down to LA to run for a district attorney in 2020.
And it just so happened that, you know, this was the perfect ripe opportunity given the riots of the George Floyd incident and the mood of the nation at the time, particularly in California, when the most radical policies and people could rise to positions that was otherwise unimaginable.

Gascon has absolutely decimated Los Angeles. He has stacked his office with public defenders.
He has put in directives the first day of his tenure that include, of course, no cash bail, no enhancements, no juveniles tried at adult court, obviously no death penalty. And he has also, this is particularly insidious, there is a parole committee called JACE.
I forget exactly what that stands for. But basically, it's an opportunity for victims to appear with their offenders who are up for parole and to make a statement.
And then this committee will decide on whether or not to grant parole. And under Gascon, prosecutors who typically would accompany these victims for this, you know, frankly, an ordeal, they're, you know, seeing your perpetrator again is in a rape case.
You can imagine what a trauma that is. Well, Gascon said prosecutors are no longer allowed to accompany victims.
And in fact, what they are now, the victims are now required to do is to write a persuasive essay submitted to the committee. And the committee is stacked entirely of public defenders.
Come on.

Seriously.

That's grotesque.

Can I ask something that occurs as you're speaking about Gascon?

So you've said that all organized criminal activity

in the state of California is run in effect

by the Mexican drug cartels through prisons.

And I've heard people mention that before. So let's just assume that's true.
It sounds like it is true. You just wrote a book on it.
How could Gascon not know that? I mean, Gascon, it's not clear what Gascon knows of anything. But I'm just saying, so in places where the, where drug cartels run things, which is a lot of Latin America, they also run the politics.
Well, let me put it this way, even more maybe relevant to the time that we're in. I would say, how did Kamala Harris not know that? Because Kamala Harris, as Attorney General of California, in 2012, under the auspices of so-called budget cutting, budget reform, eliminated a 100-year-old agency called the Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement.
And it is widely held amongst law enforcement officers and on the prosecution side that this was a very important task force for fighting organized crime. It had been doing so since Prohibition and then became a major force in disrupting narcotics trade in the state.
She disbanded it. Well, cause she's for narcotics.
She wants a drug addicted population. She does whatever she's told, but I'm just saying like, okay, these drug cartels are powerful because they're ruthless.
They're a cult based on witchcraft, but they're also really rich. Of course they're, they're a cult based on witchcraft but they're also really rich of course they're they're fortune 500 companies exactly so at some point like in mexico they're in control still because they've paid off all the politicians well is that happening in california yet not it's not clear to me whether that that's happening to the extent I'm certainly as expressed by Tom Homan when I spoke to him.

He says that it's very hard often to distinguish the Mexican elite from the Mexican drug cartels. Like there's an interwoven nexus.
Yeah.

And, of course, like in parts of Mexico, the cartels exert actual like authority and governance over certain regions. In the Sierra Madre, yeah, for example.
But it's not really clear to me if they are influencing politicians or, you know, through, you know, grift or through bribes or anything. I'm not clear on that.

If not, it's just a matter of time.

But I will tell you that

a director of the LAPD

union

said to me that

the cartels are increasingly

committing ransom

attacks in San Diego

of high-profile

families, and this is not getting reported. Kidnapping, as is so common in Latin America.
Exactly, yeah. They take him across the border.
And so special security forces made up of X SEALs and whatnot have to go into Mexico and extract them. This is now apparently rampant.
It's insane, but it shouldn't surprise us. That's a fact of life in Mexico City.
I mean, human trafficking is also a very serious problem in the state. It's, of course, more lucrative in some ways than the drugs because they can be used over and over and over again as sex slaves, right? So it's like a recurring revenue stream.
Although fentanyl should not be underplayed in any way. Fentanyl produces like 200,000% margin.
Yeah. And fentanyl, according to one of the top gang enforcement detectives in LA County, based out of Compton, ex-Special Forces guy, black guy, incredible man.
He said to me, Fentonol, it's so ubiquitous, it's like salt. And if you buy a pill off the street, it has Fentonol in it.
And that's why, you know, in fact, it's so deadly and so dangerous that even the cartels are thinking that maybe we need to come up with something not quite as lethal because we're killing our customers. Can I just ask, since you mentioned Compton, so Compton was the largest black population west of the Mississippi since the Second World War.
I was just there it's spanish speaking so you've had you know the black population of huge parts of la moved east into the inland empire murdered in huge numbers by newcomers and i've never heard and maxine water supposedly represents compton though she doesn't live, but I've never heard a single black politician in California mention the fact that illegal immigration has completely overturned life for a lot of black people in California. Not one time have I heard anybody say that.
Why? What about your corrupt pigs? Yeah, I mean, obviously, but I think it's due to the fact that the power is now, the locus of power is with the newcomers.

Of course.

So it's not in their interest to ever comment on these things.

But if your job is to represent your constituents or your people.

When have Democrats ever represented black people?

Oh, fair. Fair.
I know. It's just, it's like shocking this could happen.

And everyone's watching it or people are paying attention or seeing it, especially if you're from California.

I'll be right back. Oh, fair.
Fair. I know.
It's just, it's like shocking this could happen. And everyone's watching it or people are paying attention or seeing it, especially if you're from California, like, well, this is very different from what it was 10 years ago.
And nobody says a word. You know what's interesting? So in prison, the prison system, the black gangs, it's all obviously racially segregated, but the black gang is called the black guerrilla family.

And again, according the black gang is called the black guerrilla family.

And again, according to this gang enforcement specialist that I spoke to, he said like,

well, for the Mexicans, it's about money, money and power.

For the black guerrilla family, their enemy is the government.

And like, they're political.

And I thought to myself, well, at least they have an ethos no i agree it's just interesting you know california state prisons are totally racially segregated in fact they were ordered desegregated at one point and then the prisoners complained the black prisoners complained because no people are there's so many that were getting killed yeah i mean look the fact that this sort of level of criminality can exist within the prisons, it's such an indictment of the system overall. I mean, it's a joke.
And in fact, all these cops I talked to say, the gangsters laugh at us. They have no fear of us.
They do not fear the state. Then how are the prison guards the highest paid state employees in California? Because public sector unions have enormous power in Sacramento.
But I mean, if I think that that was always true, prison guards are always the highest paid. I mean, it's a dangerous job.
I agree. I'm not, I know prison guards.
I've always liked them. But on the other hand, if your job is to guard the prison and you're getting paid more than anybody else working for the state in California and the gangs run the prisons and that's like there's something wrong with that.
Look, obviously there's enormous corruption such that phones are smuggled in. A communication network obviously exists because how are you able to manage a criminal empire from within jail? How are you able to order executions and hits within jail? So it's porous.

But I think the bigger issue ultimately, and this is why I don't think it's the prison guard's fault, it's the state's fault. Gangsters do not fear the law.
They do not fear the law. And they commit crimes with impunity.
They're committing increasingly gun crimes with impunity because gun enhancements, as we talked about, no longer apply in many cases. So gun violence has gone way up.
Like, number of, I think, gun victims in the last three years has shot up in LA County, like 63%. But you've got very strict gun control in this state.
Exactly, right? How hard is it for you to own a gun in california so i don't own a gun um i i should at this point but um uh i i understand like it's quite it's quite you know a a difficult process um and a lot of the the guns that the criminals are using are all stolen They're not like going to, you know, a sports shop and buying a rifle. You can get a 12-gauge for like 400 bucks.
Yeah. Mossberg.
But like... Have you thought about that? I mean, I'd love like one of your like beautiful hunting rifles.
I think you're better off with a 12-gauge. Hard to miss in close quarters.
Yeah, yeah. Easy to operate.
You know, actually, the cops say the best defense against these kinds of crimes is a big dog. I have a cat.
Yeah, I think the cops lie a lot about guns. Sorry, with respect to cops.
They don't want any competition. They want to be the only armed people on the scene.
Well, they're getting well they're getting competition well i'm very aware of that cops tend in general to be against an armed citizenry um i like cops i always defend cops but on this one question you know there are employees they can keep their dumb opinions about guns to themselves as far as i'm concerned and you have a right to have a gun and and i i have a lot of dogs i love dogs but a 12 gauge is more effective than a dog. I'm just telling you that.
Oh, for sure. Yeah.
For sure. I will tell you, on the cop issue, another factor of this story is the erosion of the quality of cops.
Yeah, so what about that? Who would be a cop in LA? Well, right now we're recruiting DACA, illegal aliens, into the LAPD. Actually? Yes.
There's been five so far and a scandal actually. Illegal aliens? Yeah.
They're not allowed to own firearms, right? They cannot have a firearm when they're off duty. You have illegal alien cops? Yes.
So if we import 7 million military-age men into the United States illegally, which the Biden administration has done, it does raise the obvious question, what is this? Exactly. Is this a mercenary army for the ruling class? It certainly seems like one.
And if they're making them cops, then it kind of... of well let me tell you a story that's not been

reported uh it's a cover-up and it was conveyed to me by a senior director um of the lapd union it's called the la police protective league and this is also a 25 plus year veteran of the lapd and detective and both his daughters

are in the LAPD.

He is as

plugged 25 plus year veteran of the LAPD and detective and both his daughters are in the LAPD is like he uh he is as plugged into this world as anyone in fact he said to me in our in our interview he says I tell everyone don't come to LA we cannot protect you but on the DACA issue um apparently in February of this last February, a off-duty LAPD detective encountered two members of the Sereno gang, which is a very violent, powerful Latino gang in Southern California. They were attempting to rob a steel car.
So there was an exchange of gunfire and the gangsters got away in their getaway car. They were apprehended the next day.
And it turns out that the car was registered to a DACA cadet in the LAPD. And the LAPD quietly shuffled her either out of the program or just covered it up entirely.
But the LA Times did report on this incident. Wait, so they're hiring female illegal aliens to be cops.
With gang ties. So at that point, it's just they're, I mean, it's not a legitimate guy.
I mean, at that point, you're just like, you're begging to be overthrown. Of course.
Right? Of course. Do you know how many- They have no legitimacy at all.
Cops are increasingly finding alternative revenue streams by becoming private security officers for the elite. And a lot of the officers that I've talked to are doing that because it's so lucrative.
California has the highest pay rates for private security and the highest demand for private security in the nation. And in fact, I'll just tell you, this is a difficult thing to substantiate for a variety of reasons, but I think it's interesting, which is that I heard from, you know,

this LA County Sheriff, former like Major Crimes Bureau lead, and now in private security,

that he believed it was quite, you know, well-known, but quietly known in the private

security industry that George Soros or his proxies were investing significantly in private

Thank you. known in the private security industry that George Soros or his proxies were investing significantly in private security businesses.
This was also confirmed to me by a former head of federal security for LAX and one of the top traders on Wall Street. So, you know, again, George Soros' portfolio and transactions are private.
It's a family office. We really don't know where the investments are going.
But I think it's quite striking to think that there may be other incentives beyond simply undermining the law for some kind of sake of, you know, creating a new world. A dystopia, of course, but nevertheless.
I don't think a trader, a financial trader, maybe one of the greatest in the world, stops becoming a trader, right? No, the worship of money is a disease, and it's... Yeah.
So I guess you go back just a couple minutes. So you said that Kamala Harris dismantled the anti-narcotics task force that had been around since Prohibition.
I'm wondering, though, she has bragged publicly about dismantling the cartels. That doesn't seem like the behavior of someone who's dismantling cartels.
How could she dismantle the cartels? I just explained that the cartels run the state. Right, that's right.
So when she says that, I mean, there's no truth in that at all. There's no truth in anything that she says.
I mean, she is the avatar of moral bankruptcy that represents the state of California. Yeah.
Hollow, superficial, stupid, sociopathic. And I will tell you, everyone that I know, Democrats who have worked with her, including like a very elite consulting firm that tried to manage her campaign at one point, they say that she is lazy.
Steve Cooley also says that, by the way. She was a lazy prosecutor.
And she is vicious. And when she doesn't do her homework and gets caught in, you know, word salads because she doesn't know what she's talking about, she then lashes out on her staff.
So she's kind of like a even dumber version of Hillary Clinton. And I think fortunately, like she's so inept that the country is starting to see that.

I pray to God because if, if Kamala Harris rises to the level of the presidency,

we now have basically exported California nationwide.

And, and I'm, and as I told you, and it's the name of my book,

it is called failed state, a portrait Portrait of California in the Twilight of Empire. I can't think of a sadder title or a more accurate one, and I just refer back to my own childhood in that state.
I mean, the distressing thing is it's not like wrecking, you know, I don't know, I don't want to be mean. I can think of a couple states that, you know, whatever, who cares? California was the greatest place on planet Earth.
Of course. Yeah.
So, um. But you know, it's interesting about Kamala.
She actually did go after, uh, you know, drug crimes, but she went after people who were smoking weed. Yeah.
The easy ones. The easy ones.
Right. A lot of black people.
Yeah. But she did not go after the cartels bringing in the drugs no so um let's talk for a minute about who runs california so you're from southern california as am i i spent most of my childhood in southern california um which was you know by far the most dynamic prosperous part of the state by far for sure aerospace you ag, obviously tourism, and then you had the creative industries, the movie business, the record business, both headquartered there.
It's all gone except the ag. Yeah.
But that's not the part of the state that runs everything. No, no.
And it hasn't for some time. We haven't really had a true Republican governor since like the the mid-90s with pete wilson yeah pete wilson put forward a a very very famous proposition called 187 which is vote supported by voters by over 60 percent and it effectively was to um restrict any sort of social services except like non-emergency.

So we've still allowed that to illegal aliens.

You can't reward people who are here illegally with your money.

Right, exactly.

So we went from that to, let's say, I think a month or so ago,

the legislature put forward a bill that would give illegal aliens preferential mortgages

Thank you. let's say, I think a month or so ago, the legislature put forward a bill that would give illegal aliens preferential mortgages.

Gavin Newsom, to his credit, vetoed that.

Preferential mortgages?

They were very sweetheart deals.

Can I just say, because I can't contain my resentment.

So ever since Prop 187 passed, and that was invalidated by a judge because it's a democracy where some judge gets to override the will of people. It's also fake.
But ever since then, a certain kind of Republican consultant, and that would be the dumbest people I've ever met. And I'm speaking specifically of Frank Luntz, the guy with the hairpiece, but there could be many others.
They've lectured Republicans about how 187 lost California. It was a Republican.
Oh, I know. It's such a lie.
But it's a Republican state and Prop 187, which would deny welfare benefits to illegal aliens. That was hate.
That was racism. Republican consultants and guys like Mitch McConnell and all the dumb people in the party bought that.
Well, and of course, because they're funded by the Koch brothers and the Koch brothers want to bring in cheap, illegal alien labor. Yeah.
Simple as that. I mean, I think it was Lennon said that the capitalists will sell you the rope that we'll use to hang you.
Of course. That's right.
So, sorry, I just can't. But back to your question.
We forget how reasonable that is. It's not.
Oh, it's beyond reasonable. And California used to be a reasonable, safe, secure state with really tough laws that put gangsters away.
And following the three strikes law and other reforms that came at the late 90s and into the early 2000s, between 2000 and 2010, roughly, it was a pretty damn good place. like Steve Cooley in Los Angeles, you know, cleaned up a lot of the masks,

even his predecessor, Jackie Lacey, did a relatively good job, although she was chased out of office by BLM. She's black.
She was chased out of office by, and literally harassed her home by BLM activists because she was not, you know, in line with their anti-police, anti-incarceration agenda enough.

And so we then have George Gascon, who received $2 million from George Soros. That was enough.
It was for a DA race. That actually was extraordinary amount of money.
it's interesting because Soros played money ball

with these

DA races all over the country because he realized that the district attorneys have enormous power because they can set policy about what crimes are going to be prosecuted, which are not. Some of these other directives that I mentioned earlier about cash Bale so forth, although George Soros is actively excuse me, George Gasson is actively in violation of state law and just operates, you know, nonetheless.
But Soros understood that with a few million bucks you could change a DA race.

Why would you want to?

Why would Soros, who's a foreigner, I beg your pardon, from Hungary, not from here,

why would you want to wreck someone else's country?

I don't understand that.

Soros DAs have jurisdiction over like 75 million Americans.

Like, it's crazy.

What's the motive?

Like, why would you want, you're George Soros, you grew up in in war-torn europe then you go to england you help destroy their economy right which he did and then you come to the united states which is like the nicest country in the history of the world and you decide you want to take your ill-gotten gains and use those funds to wreck someone else's country like what is what's the motive here i talked to a a lot of people about this. And, you know, initially, again, I didn't want to even go down the Soros, you know, rabbit hole because I- Oh, you're not allowed.
You're not allowed, but also like, it's cliche at this point. It is cliche, I agree.
But the fact is that it's real. It's real.
And it begs the question of why. Is it simply he is an anarchist? Is he a financial terrorist? I would say yes.
but what is the motivation i i i think again you know it, I do not believe a world-class arbitrager, trader, ever kind of leaves that mindset. It's always money that motivates.
So I think it is, again, this is entirely speculation, but I would be very interested to see what is the portfolio of the family office of George Soros. Is it real estate? Because certainly the crimes surge in cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles have depressed real estate in these downtown districts by 25% at least.
And insurance premiums have gone way up. So is there a trade there? Maybe.
I don't know. But as I said, there's people that I trust and who would be in a position to know that indicate that there is potentially other motivating factors, at least with respect to Soros.
So that being said, you know.

It's just crazy how little defense the United States has.

Like, we don't have moral defenses.

We build this amazing thing, amazing, greatest thing that's ever been built by any people in all of history.

And then a few, I don't know, evil figures like Soros roll in.

And we're totally incapable of saying, hey, foreigner, go away. You're not allowed to do that.
You can't do that to us. And by the way, we'll like execute you if you try to do that.
I mean, a normal society would say, you know, we built this, you can't wreck it, but we're totally incapable of doing that. A normal society, okay, would have, given the kind of violent criminals that are endemic in California and that run prisons, right, and commit murders in prison, literally, against guards even, a normal prison, I think, would have capital punishment applied to these prisoners, you know, in the prison yard, hangings, right? Something, whatever it takes to bring fear of the law

and of the state to those who fear only the justice

of the Mexican mafia.

That is who they fear when they go to prison.

It's not the state.

It's a joke.

Then the Mexican mafia is the state then, in effect.

In effect, yeah.

It's the final word. If it is actually, yeah, yeah.
They are the final arbiters. Yeah.
They are the final arbiters. So then they're above the state.
Yeah, they are. So I'm sorry I keep interrupting you just because that's an emotional subject.
I think it's a really important subject. It is an emotional subject.
It's really, really upsetting.

Well, you still live there. Yeah.
Yeah, it's deeply upsetting to see your home vandalized and, you know, just literally my home, but just my hometown. Yep.
But you're saying that Los Angeles is not where the decisions are made. Where are the decisions made in California? The decisions, the locus of power in California centers around a very elite and small milieu in San Francisco, largely around an area called Pacific Heights.
Ah, that's where I'm from. Oh, nice.
Originally. Oh, that's so funny.
Pacific Heights is the center of evil. Pretty neighborhood, though.
Well, San Francisco is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. It used to be, like much of California.
But in any event, the oligarchy that has been really in place for almost 100 years, starting with the Getty's involvement with the Newsom family and the Newsom's family involvement with Jerry Brown goes back to the 1940s and 50s. And the scions of each of these, these dynasties all intermarried.

They were into business together.

Gavin Newsom's first big entrance into the scene was forming a restaurant group called Plump Jack,

which was seeded by the Getty family and was also co-founded with Billy Getty, who is the son of Gordon Getty, who is the son of J. Paul Getty.
And the Eddies have funded Gavin's entire political career, and they've made that possible in the winery and restaurant group. The success of that became a launching board into San Francisco city politics.
I think he was on the board of supervisors and then became mayor. But always there was this commonality and nexus between Pelosi's family, Pelosi's husband, the Gettys, the Browns, and the Newsoms.
So they're the old money elite that have been running the state on or off since the 1940s. I mean, of course, there have been Republican governors here and there.
It used to be, as we've talked about, like a sort of moderate state. Sometimes you voted for Democrats, sometimes you voted for Republican.
Usually you voted for Republican candidates, presidential candidates. The last one was George H.W.
Bush. But the accumulation of power amongst this circle really took hold after these changes that we've talked about in Southern California, the deindustrialization of Southern California, the exodus of at least 6 million middle-class Californians in the last decade, and the aerospace and defense leaving Southern California.
So LA then became a Democrat stronghold when it was once a Republican stronghold and power shifted to San Francisco. And the other reason power shifted to San Francisco is because of the presence of tech, big tech.
Big tech is the new money and the new money interweaves with the old money through VC investments and private placements and other sorts of, you know, kind of social circles and Bohemian Grove, like you name it. And so we then have a power structure of an industry that is made up of very few people,

a lot of foreigners, by the way, of course,

and these kind of dynastic,

almost like ancient aristocrats

in the manner of patron-client relationships

that define this paradigm.

And they have formed an enormous, let's say, power block with tech. And through that connection, California has been ruled by this oligarchy.
But it's just weird in the physical effects. I mean, my mom's family got to California in the 1850s from Maine to find their fortune, and they did.
And so I've sort of gone there my whole life, was born there. And it was, you know, I thought a nice city, liberal in some ways, very traditional in other ways, but kind of the same, like the city that saw the least amount of change.
And then after, during the tech boom, 99, 98, 99, all this money came in, not just the South Bay renamed Silicon Valley, but into the city, particularly after 2000. And I thought, well, okay, San Francisco is really rich now.
It'll get better. It was pretty nice, I thought, but it will get better.
The richer the city got, the dirtier it got, the more dangerous it got, the more chaotic it became. Yeah.
The money made it way poorer. Yeah.
What is that? It's a paradox, and it's very interesting. Well, it's bizarre.
When Twitter moved its head, because, you know, all tech was, again, south of the city, but then when the tech companies started moving into the city, they're like, oh, it's this beautiful city. It's our Cape Town.
And then it became like such a rich city, richest city in the United States. It instantly became dirty.
Like, what is that? This is happening in Southern California too. So in Venice, California, Google has established a big office and Venice is marred by just tragic levels of homelessness that are shocking, shocking.
And sites that I had only seen when traveling like to, you know, the poorest parts of Guatemala, maybe worse in some ways. But right around the corner from the Google office in Venice is a, let's call it a shantytown, a favela even maybe, but tent after tent after tent.
And right next to Google, it's a fascinating dichotomy. And I was told by someone who would know in the private security sector and a former cop that he has observed, because he has done work for Google, that gang members, local gangs, extract tribute from each homeless tent every single day, $20 to $50 a day.
And this is happening, he claims, across the city. There's 75,000 homeless in Los Angeles.
And if they cannot meet the tribute, they are forced to sell drugs or other crimes.

And by the way, thanks to, I believe this was a Newsom policy, cops require, have to get search warrants to enter any tents. The tents have become denizens of murder, of rape, of drug, the worst kind of drug trade, and other forms of depravity that shock the senses.
And it's right next to Google. Right next to Google, yeah.
So, I don't know, I think obviously I'm too simple to understand the modern world, but I always thought that the problem was poverty, and that people committed crimes because they were poor, and the your society became the safer and more orderly it became but the exact opposite has been true and it makes you wonder like is there some evil emanating from these tech companies answer obviously yes that inspires chaos depravity crime violence and filth well, I think that the answer is also structural and economic because tech is not based upon employing vast numbers of people.

Right.

It's not productive labor.

Of course.

No, I get it.

I mean, it's like nine guys from India writing code.

Exactly.

And so when that becomes the dominant economic power in the state and manufacturing leaves the state, where do the poor working class people turn to? Okay, but here's- And housing crisis is also part of it. I get it.
I mean, it drops the value of labor to zero. So for the rich people, just to reply to your point about it's getting richer and yet worse.
Yeah, it's getting richer. But the areas where the rich people live, like Atherton, are looking real nice these days.
I was just in Atherton. Atherton's great.
Atherton in Malibu's great. There are pockets of, I think Malibu still is great.
Yeah, it is. It's so far away, you know, that it can be great.
But I wonder, the city of San Francisco, though, is such a great example of the failure of leadership and the failure of the ruling class to be vested in the society from which they're taking their riches. In a normal society, the rich people would say, hey, I live here.
My kids live here. You can't do that shit you know get off the sidewalk we're gonna pay we're gonna make the san francisco police department the most efficient and highly endowed police department in the world no crime exactly the saudis did that why can't why don't the tech barons well because we became a one-party state right so when steve cooley was da of los angeles uh you he was not about politics.
In fact, he says the job of a DA is not to bring politics into the administration of justice. It is to go after bad guys and prosecute bad guys and send them away and make the city safer.
Yeah, using the laws of the elected legislator's right. In fact, local, you know, this was also the case even in San Francisco, back in like the 2000s and the predecessor to Kamala Harris, a guy named Halinan, who Terrence Halinan.
Yeah, right. And he was a liberal, but also one with a sense of duty to do the job.

But I think what happened is sometime around, again, around the late 2000s, when Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris really came into their power structures, and especially San Francisco, it became not about

let's make this city better,

let's make this safer.

It's about how do I get my next promotion?

You know, term limits in California,

which I supported,

were supposed to fix all this.

And they seem to have made it worse.

Do you understand?

Again, this is one of those paradoxes that I don't fully understand. I've just noticed.
I don't know. I mean, they didn't work.
I think we can say that, right? I mean, clearly something's not working. Right.
Again, yeah. Could you remember that? Maybe you don't remember, but maybe you're too young, but like Tremelins came to California and you're like, okay, this is going to make legislators much more responsive.
They can't live forever in these dumb jobs. But it seems like they have lived forever in these dumb jobs.
They've just traded up jobs. They just keep moving around.
You know, I've also heard it's compared to like the fact that we have a full-time legislature versus Texas that has a part-time legislator and that has a moderating effect.

I think that's like a good analog for comparison. I mean, Sacramento is out of control.
There's super majorities, Democratic super majorities in both houses. There's not a single Republican at any administrative, you know, officer level position in the state.
I think the last one was maybe insurance commissioner. There are no statewide Republican.
Correct. Office holders.
That's right. Yeah, there haven't been for years.
And the Republican minority is so small in the legislative bodies that they're irrelevant. And our Republicans are weak.
I mean, Meg Whitman was pathetic. She spent $150 million of her own money to run for governor in 2010, and she lost overwhelmingly to Jerry Brown.
Yeah, I went to her house in Atherton, speaking of Atherton, at that time. What is it you would think that the Republican officeholders in the state, the few who remain, would be even clearer eyed and more resolute, but they seemed even more cucked than they were? Yes, I would say so.
I mean, the California Republican Party basically doesn't exist. If you want to run as a—you cannot run as a Republican.
I mean, for instance, Rick Caruso ran for mayor recently. He was, you know, well-known Republican, but he had to switch in Los Angeles against Karen Bass.
against karen bass and uh he switched to the democrats uh party uh for to facilitate you know

the the run and give him a chance he still lost um and there's karen bass been a pretty great mayor i mean this the board of supervisors uh in la have you know a lot more power in some ways um than the um than than the mayor itself. You know, it's kind of, it's the mayor of Los Angeles does not have the power

of the mayor itself.

You know, it's kind of,

the mayor of Los Angeles does not have the power

of like the mayor of New York City.

But, you know, I mean, Karen Bass did what she,

she has done the job she was tasked for,

which is to have a black woman as mayor

and fulfill an identity politics quota, in my opinion. Is Gavin Newsom, who survived a recall effort, pretty serious, looked like a pretty serious recall effort, at least two terms now, governor.
Is he popular?

You know, I'm not,

I haven't seen like any,

any recent like polling on that.

Have you ever been at dinner and heard someone say,

man, I'm just glad

Gavin Newsom runs our state?

No, no.

So in a one party state,

it doesn't really matter.

Like everyone's Brezhnev

at a certain point.

It doesn't really matter.

Exactly, yeah.

Whether people like

what they're getting,

they're getting it. Yeah, yeah.
The only thing that matters is the Democratic primary, of course. And there is like internecine divisions within the party, just like in China.
Oh, big time. Right? And in fact, it's kind of interesting that, you know, Gavin is not like on the hard left of the Democratic Party in California.
I actually, in some ways, think he's probably much more reasonable and moderate than he has portrayed himself to be. As someone who knows him, I can confirm that.
Yeah. That is true.
Gavin Newsom is, I think, responsible in large part for what's happening in California. There's no excuse for that.
He'll be held, you know, he'll be held accountable for that on some level in some life. However, just in point of fact, he is not some crazy left winger.
No, look, I'll be honest with you. I like him personally.
Yeah, everyone does. Yeah, I really do.
And I really wish, you know, he was a phenomenal governor. I think, you know, if we do have to live in a one party state, at least our leaders should be, you know, really competent within the machine.

And I think he had a lot of potential and certainly, you know, but he's also a slave and captured by by this movement and this this leftism that has has has cast this pal over california he's weak inside there's no doubt yeah so can i ask like what the there are still very powerful business interests mostly the people making ai planning our enslavement um why don't those people get together and just like pay for a good government? Well, I will tell you that I have heard at least from folks in the VC world that there is a lot of quiet support even in this cycle for Trump. Well, that's true.
There is. And there's some loud support.
I mean, Mark Andreessen, who's the biggest VC in the state, has come out for Trump publicly. So that's good.
But I just mean within the state of California, why don't they get, as long as you're going to have a corrupt one-party state, as long as it's going to be Guatemala, okay, fine, that's what we are now. Why don't the oligarchs get together and just say, well, we're at least going to have, I don't know, nice roads and functional schools and your daughter's not going to get raped on the way to CVS.
Like, why not just do that? I think it's not, it's because, it's because these nobles do not have noblesse oblige. Now we're cooking with gas.
That's exact. Okay.
Can you expand on that? So, so the idea, you know, for societies that are stratified by class and where there is especially, you know, an aristocracy that has a political, you know, hegemony as well as social power. There was a sense, I think in, in those kind of societies in the past, even, even frankly, you know, hegemony, as well as social power.
There was a sense, I think, in those kind of societies in the past, even frankly, you know, within the United States, that there were certain responsibilities as a noble to your county, to your city, to your, you know, land, and so forth. To your nation.
To your nation, of course. Um, but, uh, today we have a situation where, um, there's a disconnect from that and it's entirely about the self and it's nihilism.
They all wear t-shirts and live on boats. Right.
They're totally disconnected. They're completely removed from the, the bad schools, from the bad roads um from the crime they have private police force basically because they're not christians that's the actual difference they're not christian they're not believing christians and a believing christian feels a sense of obligation to the poor and the people over whom he exerts authority to the people below him i mean that's that's just part of the religion.
Well, right. So like when we talk about neo-feudalism and maybe how that's not a perfect analog, I would add in support of your approach is, well, at least in feudalism, they believed in God.
Well, and that had certain obligations. It actually structured the entire society.
Right. Well, this is a separate conversation, but I was probably 40 years old before I'm interested in history.
I realized that the thousand years between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance were referred to as, quote, the Dark Ages. And there's sort of very little conversation about that among people who specialize in European history.
And it's like, why? Why are we dismissing a thousand-year period as the Dark Ages? Because actually, it wasn't that dark. Because actually, these were not societies built on, you know, debt slavery.
These were societies built on Christianity. And that's kind of why they've been dismissed as dark and unworthy of further study or, you know, conversation.
We have nothing to learn from the Dark Ages. And that's all like a huge lie.
Actually, they had a much more enlightened ruling class than we have. I would say that if you're going to make historical comparisons to, let's say, are we in a new Dark Age, you could argue that the so-called Dark Ages was characterized by a separation from Hellenism and classical ideas and literacy, right? And so I think you could argue, frankly, that modern America, actually modern society as a whole, and this is especially true in California, is also disconnected from its history.
It is forgetting its history purposefully. Oh, I know.
And we're also becoming, ironically, we are subject to more information than we can absorb, and so we absorb nothing. And maybe that's a kind of new illiteracy.
I think that's exactly right. And I think good weather plays a huge role in this.
Places with really good weather, you see this on Australia as well, allow people to sort of drift along in a state of content numbness. And they don't ever, they're sort of content with an ever declining standard of living and an ever shrinking basket of freedoms.
At this point in California, you have the right to have an abortion.

That's kind of your only right.

And they just are so, because it's 75 and sunny, they don't complain.

You know what I mean?

Whereas in, say, Romania, they might complain.

Yeah, you know, it'll be very interesting to see if there ever, if things get so bad that it catalyzes action by the voters. One of these prosecutors I talked to from Alameda counties, we were discussing the broader implications of how we got to the place that we did.
And she said to me, she said, I blame you. And I said, what? I blame, and when she said, you, I mean the uneducated voter, right? The voters that are susceptible to the marketing gimmicks of our politicians that reframe legalizing theft as Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act.
And this kind of complacency has resulted in a significant way to the degradation of the state. Well, it's just, look, this is just a dot on a continuum.
This is a moment in time. And every bad thing that you described has been made possible by liberal whites.
Yes. And their bad, their decadent attitudes.
And California is a Latin American country basically now with some recognizable Latin American country problems like rule by cartel and corrupt politics and the rest, one party state. But at some point, it's going to be characterized by another feature of Latin American society, which is fascist interludes, where you're going to have a military junta or some strongman take over California, and all these new immigrants, they're not rich white liberals, actually.
They probably don't think theft should be legal, and you're going to get some Caudillo in charge of that state. He's going to put an end to all this nonsense.
Maybe that would not be so bad. I mean, it's preferable to what we have now.
I mean, would you rather have Gavin Newsom or Bukele? Or Bukele, exactly. That's not a hard choice.
Exactly. It's not a hard choice.
So that's very different from the state that you and I grew up in, completely different, which was basically an egalitarian state where even rich

people, like I grew up in a rich part of the state, and we didn't feel like we were a class apart, that everyone else was a surf, you know what I mean? I didn't drive through the Central Valley feeling like I have nothing in common with these people. I feel like, well, they're Californians, just like me.
That's over. You know, I wanted to mention something.
But don't you think we're in the chaotic middle period between one system and a new system?

Oh, yes, for sure.

In fact, Victor Davis Hanson, who was very kind in helping me with some of the research for my book, made some incredible insights on the comparison of the late Roman Empire,

really the period between 376 AD and 476 AD, and what we're experiencing now in California. And that period- Can I just say, thank you for saying that, because the 5th century is when we think of the end of Rome, but we forget that there was at least a century preceding that where it was like on the way to the fall.

Of course.

Yeah.

And it was characterized by things that are eerily similar to what we're seeing in California. So, of course, there is the erosion of borders.
There is the influx of migrants, about I think like one or two million from Germanic and Huns into Rome, not assimilated.

Breakdown. migrants about I think like one or two million from Germanic and Huns into Rome, not assimilated, breakdown of law at the county levels, a disconnect from the capital.
And a lot of those immigrants in Rome went into law enforcement, went into the legions. That's right.
That's yeah and and there was also cultural factors where the elite um were uh hansen calls this it's called luxus and it was this notion that um that the elite at that time were embracing um decadence uh cult, hello trans, right? Of course. And, and other sort of values that were antithetical to the martial values that built the Roman, the Roman Republic.
Decadent narcissism and Carmela Harris, whatever the hell she's calling herself now is just the, is the poster girl for that. She is the personification of everything that is bad about California.
And it's not because she did all that awful of things in California. She actually doesn't have that much of a track record in California.
But that's the point, isn't it? She is just a husk. She is a face.
Yeah. And she is the right face that qualified for, you know, hit the quotas that are necessary in California to advance.
And therefore, we see in her this shell of a person. Always talking about herself.
Of course. That's all she...
It's the only thing she thinks about. Right, but it's always...
You know her book's called Smart Crime? No. Can you please use air quotes around the word book? Yeah.
Well, actually it was ghostwritten. You think? And plagiarized.
I'm sure. Both ghostwritten and plagiarized.
So even her ghostwriter was lazy. Yeah.
Amazing. No, but it's so perfect.
It's just this Vesuvius of banalities about herself and me, me, me, I this, I that. It's like, you know, if you're going to talk about yourself,

there should be some requirement to be interesting.

Yeah.

But it's never interesting.

Do you know what I mean?

It's always whining about microaggressions and freedom and all.

It's just like, it's so banal.

You can just barely stand it.

I would rather have an interesting dictator, you know?

The chapter in my book on her, I call the banality of evil. Yeah, well, it's perfect.
And it's the sense that these actions or inactions, rather, over time that seem incremental lead to outcomes that actually produce incredible evil and violence. Exactly.
And though she is not pulling the trigger, right? She's not even passing some of the laws I hope I can get to, which are even more insane than what I've already told you. But she nevertheless is part of this machine.
And she's also tied to the Gettys, by the way, just incidentally. They all are Pelosi's, Gettys, Newsom, Brown.
It's all the same. Willie Brown, too, of course.
And so there's nothing, there are no accomplishments to speak of. And nothing changed when she was vice president.
No, but this is what happens when girls become dictators. They build nothing.
They create nothing. You don't even get pretty buildings out of it.
And then they kill you by passive aggression. Exactly.
Yeah. I'd much rather, yeah, not to make a gender thing out of it, but if we're going to have a dictator, at least he should be wearing a cape.
Yeah. Building a coliseum or something.
I don't know. They can't even build light rail.
I'm trying not to use the F word in that darn state. So, okay, let's get to the laws.
I've got to stop sidetracking. So after Prop 57, 2016, that passes, we jump ahead to 2020 where I think everything broke down across the world, but especially in the United States and especially in California.
And as a result of the George Floyd riots, which, by the way, all of the law enforcement officers I've talked to who were there and were there for the 1992 riots say these two cannot even be closely compared. Gangsters in LA during the George Floyd riots were laughing their asses off because they didn't give a, excuse me, a shit about George Floyd at all.
Everyone knew he was just a- Some armed robber dies with fentanyl. Exactly.
We need a revolution. Okay.
Exactly. And, oh, by the way, the guy who robbed us on his police report, it says, like, any drugs? Are you on any drugs? And he writes in, like, crayon fentanyl.
He's on fentanyl? Yeah. Yeah.
He's on fentanyl. Everyone's on fentanyl.
In the criminal world. It's like salt.
They're on fentanyl? Yeah, it's like salt. Well, he was taking it because he had been stabbed, like, a year or two before.
And so he takes it for the pain and to stay level when he's doing carpentry. It's so soul killing.
Have you ever taken opioids like after a surgery or something? I mean, I love laughing gas. I had that once.
Laughing gas is a totally different thing. I'm not defending nitrous, but I will say it's a totally different gig.
But no, any opioid drug has the same, it just takes your soul away. Yeah.
Well, that's what we see. That's why it's the zombie apocalypse, right? Yes, that's it.
But so after the riots and there was a momentous push for, again, I call it crime equity legislation. And this took the form of two laws that have been absolutely devastating.
And I think that they probably will ultimately get thrown out by the Supreme Court because they're so egregious. The first is called the Racial Justice Act of 2020.
And the Racial Justice Act of 2020 allows defendants, and it's retroactive, to challenge their convictions based on the presence of bias or racial animus by, let's say, anyone involved in the trial or on the police side.

Now, that doesn't have to have any bearing on whether or not the evidence supports their guilt at all. These can be guilty people.
The evidence proved beyond a doubt. But if there was a white racist involved at any level...
They can get their convictions thrown out under the Racial Justice Act or reduced significantly. And this happened in the city of Antioch.
It's called the Antioch texting scandal. Four young black gang members were on trial for attempted murder and murder, and very clear that they did it.
Gang enhancements were applied to them, which would mean that they were going to face a lot more jail time. But at the same time, it came out that the police officers in Antioch were texting racist, so-called racist messages to each other in private, not as part of the job, not relating to even their involvement in the case, but just about these defendants.
And when this came out, the judge presiding over the case utilized the Racial Justice Act and threw out all the gang enhancements against the judge. So they had no longer killed anybody because the cops were mean? Let me tell you how much worse it gets.

Defense attorneys can use statistical evidence, nebulous statistical evidence of racial disparity to support the case and satisfy their burden of proof that there is racial injustice. So, for instance, if a jurisdiction is applying gang enhancements in greater proportion to black gang members than to some other group.
White gang members? Yeah, whatever those are. And under the Racial Justice Act, these statistical differences can be entered into consideration by the judge on whether or not to apply the RJA.
That's just like the end of civilization. It gets worse.
The same year, Sacramento passed AB 3070. AB 3070 took away the ability of prosecutors to apply peremptory challenges to prospective jurors on the basis of bias.
So for instance, up until AB 3070, you could, if a juror would say, my son had been involved with, had been arrested, or I have a negative opinion of police, so on and so forth, this would be a cause by which a prosecutor could use a peremptory challenge to remove the juror. Well, under AB 3070, if this juror is a member of a protected group, which, by the way, includes gender identity.
So like training criminals? Yeah. Well, no, no.
Training jurors. Oh, okay.
Yeah. They can no longer use peremptory challenges against them, even if they say, I hate cops because they're a protected group.
So the result of this is, as one of the top prosecutors in the entire state told me, is the proliferation of OJ juries. And the OJ jury, by the way, never got the credit.
We never learned a single thing from that. We spent our entire lives hearing about all white juries being bad, but here we had a jury that just let a guy get away with murdering two people because those people were a skin color that was fine.
Another gang prosecutor in Alameda County told me that jurors have come up to her and said to her face, I will not convict a black man. So, okay.
Well, now I'm officially depressed and just sad about the state. So let's just end on a happy note if it's possible.
Do you see California getting better? I mean, is this like a low point or is this just like, is it going to-

You know, some of the cops I talked to say that they think this is cyclical and things will come back into some level of normalcy. You know, there's… Detroit never came back.
Exactly, yeah. Neither did Rome after 476.
It's still a crappy place as far as I can tell. I mean, you know, I don't know.
I think that there are some problems that become so embedded.

And given the multifaceted nature of this dysfunction and the complexity of the problems and the entrenched interest groups that do not have any incentive to modify a system that has enriched them, I don't know how, Uel. So I think the lesson for me, just as a listener to this incredible story that you've just told, the main lesson is that civilization is really fragile.
You don't maintain it without continuous effort and vigilance. And you really have to be radical in preserving it.
Yeah. And once it goes away, it doesn't necessarily come back.
And you should not participate at all in unjust systems at all. And you should fight like a wombat.
Yeah. I mean, like, look, if we're talking about solutions, for me, for one thing, it is revoking these terrible laws that I've talked about.
Like, that has to happen. But how about shaming the people who supported them? It's totally unacceptable.
I don't know anything about Bull Connor, but I'm sure his descendants all changed their names. I'm not defending Bull Connor, trust me, but there is a useful thing that culture does, which is demonizes demons.
I would go further. I think it's more than simply shaming.
I think if there is a way to hold these people liable for negligence, gross negligence.

Criminally liable.

Criminally liable. So why should George Gascon be able to move to Tempe and just live out on retirement? I don't think he should be allowed to.
Why should the politicians in Europe and in this country who facilitated the invasion of their countries and displacement and diffusion of their native indigenous populations as a form of, let's face it, a form of ethnic cleansing, why should those politicians who enacted those laws not be subject to the same kind of standard that was applied in the Nuremberg trials? Or how about as recently as the Yugoslav wars? Yes, same. The NATO's war in Yugoslavia, I think Slobodan Milosevic died in prison for ethnic cleansing.
So Angela Merkel gets away with it? How is that? Look, the international laws related to these issues are not robust enough to address this modern form of demographic inversion, demographic engineering.

But really, when I was thinking about this as a whole, is it really all that different from what the Chinese are doing in Xinjiang? Like, yes, we don't have re-education camps yet. Because we're not as straightforward as the Chinese.
But the idea of bringing the Han Chinese into Xinjiang to

effectively erase

those people,

is that really any

different than what's happening when

7 million people have come across

the U.S. southern border

with impunity and are

going to most likely probably become citizens

unless Trump,

God willing, wins and

reverses that? I mean, it's

Thank you. with impunity and are going to most likely probably become citizens unless Trump, God willing, wins and reverses that.
I mean, times are very dark, Tucker, and I don't know if there is a positive message to be made, except I pray that our leadership at least the federal level will right the ship, and perhaps California over time can come back to some semblance of what it once was. Because it is the defacement of a grand work of art.
It is a work of art. In Los Angeles and San Francisco, two of the prettiest cities.
In fact, I would say the prettiest cities we have by far. Both of them in their very different ways.
but it is destroying art and irreplaceable art.

And as a birthright Californian who's living in his great-grandparents' house, you're one

of the few in LA who can say that.

Like, what's your plan?

Are you going to stay?

You know, like, you've been asked this question, right?

And you've said, like, America's my home like i'm not leaving

it i feel that way about california like they're not you're staying i mean unless i get like another home invasion that that might like catalyze it but i i i i feel very tied to the land like good you know should and I don't feel like it should be just surrendered because some assholes in San Francisco have decided to spread crime equity across the state. You know? It's like we'll defend our home.
We'll defend our castle. And that is, I think,

what one duty is to your ancestors.

Who had guns, so please buy one.

Yes.

Good. Call me.

Chris, thank you.

Of course.

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