Danica Patrick: Life After Racing, Conspiracy Theories and the Search for Truth

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Speaker 6 Danica Patrick is probably the most famous woman in American professional car racing. In fact, she may be the only woman really ever in American professional car racing.

Speaker 6 And she's also, and this is not known to her many fans, perhaps, but a great and charming and interesting and smart person. And so we're grateful that she joins us now in studio.

Speaker 6 Danica Patrick, thank you

Speaker 6 for coming on.

Speaker 6 Why would you sully your storied career by coming here?

Speaker 7 Please, are you kidding me?

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 7 this is of the utmost importance.

Speaker 6 Because

Speaker 7 I'm curious about politics for the first time.

Speaker 6 How did it show you?

Speaker 7 And I don't even know if we're going to talk about that today, but.

Speaker 6 Well, I'm just interested because, like, every professional athlete I've ever met from a very young age, you're in this silo, you're totally focused on what you do.

Speaker 6 You did a very unconventional thing. You were not the beneficiary of, you know, there is no affirmative action in car racing.
It's just like who's fastest?

Speaker 6 And so to get there, obviously, every waking moment, I assume, is focused on that, right?

Speaker 7 And it's like such a yes, and the

Speaker 7 mindset is such a narrow focus.

Speaker 7 So you,

Speaker 7 and I only observe it, I can only notice it now based on the contrast, where I can take in so much more, I can receive so much more.

Speaker 7 I didn't even remember everybody's name that I'd meet on the weekends.

Speaker 7 And you were just in this regimented routine and this very, very narrow focus of being able to go out there and drive a couple hundred miles an hour and put your life on the line for, you know, years and years and years and years.

Speaker 7 So it was, people ask me all the time, are you done racing? And I'm like, for sure, I'm done racing.

Speaker 7 And I said, but if I had to do it, I know I could, but it would take so long to narrow back up again so that I could be

Speaker 7 in that focus to do it.

Speaker 6 So what's the regimen like for keeping that focus?

Speaker 7 No, just less distractions. There's just almost not time for it.
But you do your sponsor appearances, you do team meetings, you go work out, but like you pretty much don't do other activities.

Speaker 7 You're not distracted and interested in getting your cup filled with a lot of other things. You're just racing all the time.

Speaker 6 So do you, but how do you keep the distractions of the world away from you?

Speaker 7 They never come in in the first place.

Speaker 7 They never come in in the first place, which is where I live. Because you're so insulated.
So you're so insulated.

Speaker 7 You're just, the schedule is the schedule, and you're always at the mercy of if a sponsor needs you, if you need to go testing. And so then when I was done, now I realize how many other things I do.

Speaker 7 People ask me what I do now. I'm like, well, well, and I list a whole bunch of things.
And I'm like, and I also take a lot of vacations now. And so there's just so many other interests I have that

Speaker 7 it sort of is, yeah, it just spreads you out a lot more.

Speaker 6 Did you feel like you were coming out of an enclosed space when you left?

Speaker 6 Like you had missed things?

Speaker 7 No, no, no. I mean, I didn't feel like I was enclosed, but I felt like the fact that I could make my own schedule was just brand new to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 The fact that I could plan a vacation was brand new to me. Or like somebody'd be like, oh, we're getting married this week and I'd be like, I might be able to make it.

Speaker 6 I know the feeling. Yeah, exactly.
It's a good feeling.

Speaker 7 It is to have some freedom to, you know, be the controller of your destiny and also plan the fun when you want to plan it.

Speaker 7 I also noticed one thing too, and I don't know if this is something you've felt too, but I used to not be able to down-regulate very easily and relax.

Speaker 7 And even just going on vacation was never really enough.

Speaker 7 It would be, you'd have that feeling the first few days of of if it wasn't longer than five days long, by the day two or three, you thought, already I'm leaving, and you never relaxed.

Speaker 7 Where now I can go have a half a day and relax in my half a day. But back in the day, I couldn't relax for a week.

Speaker 6 So what did you do? I mean, how did you relax? Because, I mean, you have to unwind at some point or you go insane.

Speaker 7 Not much. I don't think very much.
You know, I'd always stay very upregulated, like get up, work out, do these things.

Speaker 7 Yeah, which is probably why it took me like a few years to heal my adrenals and

Speaker 7 heal my, you know, get into parasympathetic. And

Speaker 6 what's the world like that you live in? What are the people like?

Speaker 7 Professional. Kind of cutthroat.
And I think that's one of the things that I was ready to be done with is that I just felt like the people.

Speaker 7 It was all, it wasn't all so either that, it wasn't that happy. Like everybody was grinding.
Everybody was just like grinding. It was like week in, week out.
And almost like a race.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it was just all like such a grind.
And,

Speaker 7 you know, people were okay. There was some nice people, but in general, it was like

Speaker 7 stressful, you know, competitive politicking. I mean, there was, of course, politicking and racing.
And so it was, yeah, it just wasn't like. It just wasn't as fun anymore at the end.

Speaker 7 Or I noticed it wasn't fun.

Speaker 6 So there's not like a bar where all the all the drivers go to hang out.

Speaker 7 Well, in NASCAR, there was a lot more of those bars to hang out. And I mean that figuratively speaking.
Like there was some guys that were more fun and relaxed more, but IndyCar was much more serious.

Speaker 7 There'd be drivers that would talk about like, I don't drink during the season. And I was like,

Speaker 7 bummer, sorry for you.

Speaker 7 But yeah, they were much more serious.

Speaker 6 Why? Like, what are the physical demands of it? I noticed people seem to be in really good shape.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 IndyCar was really physical. The cars didn't have power steering, so

Speaker 7 they were much, much more physical. And they also had more down force based on the fact that they have wings, so that pushes the car down into the ground.
So stock cars were hot.

Speaker 7 So inside of the car it would be 130, 140 maybe.

Speaker 7 And so you'd lose a lot of, you'd sweat a lot in those cars. So just staying hydrated was really the main feat in NASCAR.

Speaker 7 There were some slightly more physical races, but they had power steering, so it was actually much easier to drive a stock car but I didn't let anyone know that because they thought wow how do you drive those big cars I'm like well you know just strong

Speaker 6 Wow so you have to be in decent

Speaker 7 yeah and there's also something called like race shape where you just are so you're in the car so often that the muscles that you need are all really conditioned well

Speaker 7 so your your steering muscles are out yeah steering neck back shoulders

Speaker 6 huh yeah your shins

Speaker 7 I was in the gym the other day and they're like, you have really nice whatever. And I don't know what the shin muscle's called.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, well, you know, it's probably a whole bunch of that in my life.

Speaker 6 Accelerating? Yeah. How's your driving now?

Speaker 7 Crazy.

Speaker 6 Like, is that true?

Speaker 7 Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Not every race car driver is crazy when they drive on the road, but I am for sure.

Speaker 6 Really? Do you get tickets? Sure.

Speaker 7 Actually, I just got a text today. Somebody's like, there's something in the mail.
Did you get a ticket? And I said, I am sure I got a ticket somewhere along the way.

Speaker 6 Do they, and they actually write them?

Speaker 7 Well, this one was a photo, I believe. believe, but that, yeah, they will write them.
I haven't been physically pulled over by a cop in a while, but they will pretty much always give me a picture.

Speaker 7 I think it's the robots are policing us now. Is that, yeah, yeah.
Pretty soon it's going to be by air. There's a hundred.

Speaker 7 You know, it's like they're not going to need to mount it to a bridge and take a photo of it.

Speaker 6 No, it's our drone masters. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 Maybe they're just going to be tracking us at all times.

Speaker 6 I don't think there's any question about it.

Speaker 7 I mean, doesn't that sound so exciting?

Speaker 6 I got to ask you one last car question. What do you drive?

Speaker 7 I have a Lamborghini Urus. So it's an SUV, but it definitely drives like a car.
And

Speaker 7 I had a Range Rover for a long time, and I don't know what I was thinking because the Lambo is way, way more fun.

Speaker 6 How fast is it?

Speaker 7 I mean, it'll go 200 for sure, but I definitely get it to 100 every day I drive it.

Speaker 6 For real? To like the gym, the yoga studio. The factory.
Yep. Mm-hmm.
Yep.

Speaker 7 The airport, since that's where I go all the time these days.

Speaker 6 What do your neighbors think?

Speaker 7 Oh, I'm super respectful in the neighborhood, though. So

Speaker 7 there's sport mode. There's actually a couple levels of sport mode in the car.
And when you have it in normal, like standard mode, it gives you a whole bunch of alarms.

Speaker 7 It'll give you like lane departure alarms, closing rate alarms, all these things. And I can't turn them off for permanently.

Speaker 7 The only way I can turn them off is by changing it to a different more mode. So I drive it in sport mode, which means it doesn't shift until like

Speaker 7 5,000 rpm.

Speaker 6 So it's just full sewing. So it's like,

Speaker 7 so when I pull into the neighborhood, I put it back in normal mode so that I don't drive at 5,000 RPM around the neighborhood.

Speaker 6 But the car is demanding it, is what you're saying.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the car wants it. It's asking for RPM.

Speaker 6 So what did you notice about the world when you were able to let it in?

Speaker 7 That it didn't matter that I had bad weekends.

Speaker 7 Like I used to think every single weekend in the car, because that was my life, like every practice session, every qualifying, every race, it all mattered so much.

Speaker 7 And I thought everyone was watching how, and it only mattered if it was poor, how poorly I performed at times. And when I got done, I was like, oh, it just didn't really matter.

Speaker 7 It just really didn't matter that much. Hit the high points, have good days, but you didn't need to stress so much about every day and every session being so good.

Speaker 7 And then what did I learn about the world outside of my own internal relationship with

Speaker 7 what I did is just that

Speaker 7 there's that I didn't have any hobbies and I needed to find some.

Speaker 6 Really? So what did you take up?

Speaker 7 Skiing and golf.

Speaker 6 Wow. Are you good?

Speaker 7 Oh no.

Speaker 6 Oh no.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 I'm getting better. And in fact, I was just in Aspen and Bobby, RFK, just gave me some lessons on the way down.
So I picked up my speed tremendously due to his lessons.

Speaker 6 How do you run to Bobby Kennedy at Aspen?

Speaker 7 Well, let's see.

Speaker 7 Aubrey Marcus was doing something with him, and his wife, Vailana, was someone I was just in Egypt with. And so she was like, hey, I heard you're coming to Aspen.

Speaker 7 I don't know if that's true or not, but Bobby's doing an event. If you want to go, here's the contact so you can set things up.
And there you go. And I'm having lunch with him and Cheryl.

Speaker 6 What did you think of him?

Speaker 7 I thought he was, I think he's a super, super nice guy. I think he has a lot of heart.
I think he's very relatable. I mean, even when we were hanging out, skiing, having lunch, he was just

Speaker 7 in the normal ski lodge, just having a burger and french fries. And people just come up to him.
He takes a picture with everybody.

Speaker 7 He's super nice. And I just really think that he's like, he just has a lot of heart.

Speaker 7 So I like him a lot.

Speaker 6 So when did you start thinking about politics?

Speaker 7 About five minutes ago.

Speaker 6 What have you concluded?

Speaker 7 So new to me. And

Speaker 7 I think we're at a really interesting point in time in this next year, with this next election.

Speaker 6 Can I say, did you not ever talk about it when you were racing?

Speaker 7 Oh, oh. Do you want to hear an athlete talk about politics or religion?

Speaker 6 Yeah, kind of. Do you? I don't know.
It depends on the people.

Speaker 7 I suppose. I mean, you probably would appreciate the politics more for sure, being that's your world and what you've.

Speaker 6 But are people, they don't talk about it.

Speaker 7 No, no, no, you're not really. And well, I mean, where I came from, NASCAR,

Speaker 7 I mean, I don't know if there's anybody really very liberal or a Democrat in the whole garage. Yeah, I bet that's right.
It's very Republican, very conservative. Yes.

Speaker 7 And it didn't make me like that. That's kind of the way I am anyway.

Speaker 7 But I feel like I've lived my lifestyle in a much more, I don't know, casual way where I kind of think people should be able to get married if they want to get married.

Speaker 7 If they don't want to have a baby, you know, I mean, I believe that people should be able to choose their life path. Yes.
And so those are kind of more liberal thoughts.

Speaker 7 But I also think the country should be kind of run a little bit more like a business.

Speaker 7 And, you know, if we're all handing our money over like let's make this do good things with the country so I suppose I have more conservative approaches to you know how things should be run

Speaker 7 so but I've never really gotten interested because I didn't have time space energy it didn't feel like it mattered to me

Speaker 7 and but now we're at this I'm at this point where it's kind of coming at me I mean I'm sitting here with you yeah I'm so baffled yeah

Speaker 6 so how is it coming at you what do you mean

Speaker 7 I don't know just opportunities are presenting themselves and And my interest has really peaked maybe in the last like six months or so.

Speaker 7 And so maybe it's maybe it's my own sort of magneticism to it because I'm generating some of my own personal interest. I didn't have to go to Amfest where we met for the first time finally.

Speaker 7 I didn't have to go to that, but I was like, oh, let's go check it out. And growing up, my dad's pretty into all this stuff.

Speaker 7 And I would actually be like, dad, some point in time, you got to turn off Fox News. You know, you just, some point in time, you got to turn it off.

Speaker 6 Did it ever happen?

Speaker 7 He actually did. He did, because he just kept getting so jaded and angry all the time.
And so he's like, I promise this is just the local unbiased news. This is just,

Speaker 7 you know, just local Indianapolis news. So

Speaker 7 there's like a background of my family being interested. And I was probably the last one to the party.

Speaker 6 Oh, really? So they're sort of aware of it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 More, more conservative than me.

Speaker 6 Interesting. Yeah.
But you felt something inside you change. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I think it's a really good time to be care, to care. I've never even voted.

Speaker 6 Good for you.

Speaker 7 I'm not registered. I've never voted.

Speaker 7 And my argument against it was that I'm not going to complain about it. If I complain, I have to do my part.
But if I don't, and I never did.

Speaker 7 I was like, you know, I have my choices and preferences, but hey, you know.

Speaker 7 What's happening is what's happening. And I, you know.

Speaker 6 It's just interesting that that changed. I mean, by the way, I'm not criticizing that approach.

Speaker 7 Why do you think, I mean, what's the best reason? Like, what about it is curious.

Speaker 6 Because the world that we grew up in is disappearing really fast. And if you liked it, you know, it's worth preserving.

Speaker 6 And so people who didn't want to be involved, not inherently interested in it, are like, wait a second, I liked that country. And what is this? This is like crazy.
This is out of control.

Speaker 6 You have to say something, right?

Speaker 7 I think that's pretty much where it got to. It was like, it's one thing for people to be able to live how they want to live and operate.

Speaker 7 It's another thing when what they're doing is now finally affecting you. That's way up in your head.
So the things that for me, it's like... You can't say what you want to say anymore.

Speaker 7 You get in trouble for having an opinion. I got in trouble for going to Amfest and saying that I love this country.
People were like, I hate you. You're awful.
Unfollow.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, how did we get to this point where you can't say, I love this country? Yes.

Speaker 7 Where I feel like, you know, you see chemtrails all over the sky and like they're poisoning our air. They poison our food.
And I'm like, this is really affecting me now. Yes.

Speaker 6 What are chemtrails?

Speaker 7 Well, it's a little bit more conspiracy-like, but I don't know.

Speaker 6 Most of those turnout to be true.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Where they just spray different metals into the air.
It controls geoengineering, controls the weather. Every time I see them, I feel like, well, it's sure to be a cloudy day tomorrow.

Speaker 7 You know, where you see the big grid mark in the sky where it's just all lines that don't dissipate because, you know, it's not vapor.

Speaker 6 I don't think people people look at the sky anymore because they have iPhones. So maybe they don't notice.

Speaker 6 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 No, I don't.

Speaker 6 I think stargazing is extinct.

Speaker 6 But how did you learn about that?

Speaker 7 Conspiracies, for sure. Just like getting interested.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like noticing the things around you and wondering what they are.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. I was very spiritual.
And then I dated someone that was a little bit more conspiracy-based. Yes.
Who just got on the hot seat for calling Jimmy Kimmel out.

Speaker 6 Yes, I noticed that.

Speaker 7 So I got more into conspiracy. Aaron Rodgers, checking out.

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Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So Aaron Rodgers, I'm just interested in that. I don't know anything about it, and I'm not alleging anything.

Speaker 6 But Aaron Rodgers goes on a podcast the other day and says, I bet you Jimmy Kimmel's on the list.

Speaker 6 And Jimmy Kimmel immediately responds, you know, hey, asshole, you're wrong. And I'm going to sue you for saying that.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 But he, and I don't know the truth, but he said it with some kind of certainty.

Speaker 7 It seemed like there was some anger. Yeah.
Jimmy seemed like, and it was only a tweet or a,

Speaker 7 it was only words, obviously not out of his mouth, but there definitely seemed like there was some anger there.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 Aaron, but Aaron Rodgers seemed to kind of know what he was talking about.

Speaker 7 I mean, I don't know. He's always been interested in

Speaker 7 conspiracies. I don't know the truth either.
Does anyone know the truth? I mean, that's what we're trying to figure out. I certainly don't.

Speaker 7 And that's, you know, when we were at Amfest, that was your whole foundation is like, tell the truth. Yes.
And that is really all I care about.

Speaker 7 In my own personal life, before I was ever in politics or ever interested into politics, was just like, I just want to know the truth. I want to know the truth about myself.

Speaker 7 I want to know the truth about someone else, about what's really going on. That is one of the foundational, most important things to me is knowing the truth.

Speaker 6 You said you were spiritual.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, much more spiritual. What does that mean?

Speaker 7 Just that

Speaker 7 I don't just think there's like a guy sitting on a throne in the sky kind of thing. And I don't look at all the words in the Bible or anything and think it's sort of verbatim the way it's written.

Speaker 7 I, I, you know, I mean, I even remember like a long, long time ago

Speaker 7 being curious why at Lent you'd skip meat on Fridays during Lent. I was like, but why?

Speaker 7 And so then I, what I feel like I found out, and I could be wrong, but

Speaker 7 is that it was a luxury back in those days. So you abstained from a luxury as a sacrifice.
I'm like, well, that makes sense. I'll pick something that's a luxury.

Speaker 7 But like knowing the truth about why we're doing that is what, these are the things that the questions that I ask. So I guess I'm a skeptical person.

Speaker 6 You should be.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But you think there is truth. Uh-huh.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, I get a little bit into the more esoteric side of truth and I wonder about the nature of objective truth.

Speaker 7 I think there could be like obviously a collective agreed upon truth based on our reality that we live in. But do we really even know what our reality is? And are we just

Speaker 7 Are we our own little mini universes experiencing things through our own lens? If that's the case, then I wonder how true objective truths really are because we all have our own based on our lenses.

Speaker 6 It seems like recently there have been cracks in that reality that

Speaker 7 doesn't it? Make you wonder.

Speaker 6 Doesn't it? If it's not a bit of a movie set.

Speaker 7 Doesn't it? I mean, I

Speaker 7 you I really, it seems like so far-fetched to imagine that there is some massive like some singular puppet orchestrating everything on the planet and with

Speaker 7 in a nefarious way because it seems like we'd figure it out like how do we not figure it out how could that be hidden how could that stay hidden um but as time goes on and we keep learning more things um

Speaker 7 it's just a lot of a lot of a lot of scary things that go on in the world and that we don't know about does this does does that make you curious too like who's really like the basis of my whole life exactly yeah but you've been onto it for way longer well i don't understand any of it, of course.

Speaker 6 I don't understand any of it. I just, my only gift is the ability to notice obvious things and perceive lying.
I'm good at that. I'm not good at dot connecting.

Speaker 6 Like, I don't know what it means, but I know when you're lying.

Speaker 7 That is. You just realize that you're probably just kind of like intuitive and psychic then?

Speaker 6 No, I'm not, no, no. I think it's very, look, I think your instincts are the guide in life.

Speaker 7 Yeah. But what is that?

Speaker 6 Well, I think it's divinely inspired. That's my

Speaker 7 percent. Same, same, same.

Speaker 6 And I think that your instincts are the one thing that don't lie to you. They're not trying to sell you anything.
Right. Get you to vote for them.
They act only on your behalf and they tell the truth.

Speaker 6 And the question is, can you interpret them correctly? I get strong feelings from people or from situations. I don't always know what those feelings amount to, but I know there's something there.

Speaker 6 But the most obvious one is deception. Like, I don't know what you're lying about.
I don't know why you're doing it, but I know it's happening for sure. And I think we all have that.

Speaker 6 I have no unique gift. I just am dumb enough to sort of follow my instincts.
I'm like, I don't,

Speaker 6 I don't know, or like demented enough. but January 6th, like, I'm not exactly sure what happened.
The story they told us is not true. That's a fact.

Speaker 7 Do you know what I mean? Exactly. I've always found that when things don't make sense, we're just missing some of the truth.

Speaker 7 And you're like, wait, but this and that, you're just missing some of the truth. And the purpose, then you got to go figure it out.

Speaker 6 So I'd be interested to know: like, do you take the UFO story seriously? And what do you make of it?

Speaker 7 Well, there's way too many of them for it to not be true, right? Yes, I think that's true. I just way too many stories.

Speaker 7 And I just think that it's insanely arrogant of us to think that we're the only game in town.

Speaker 7 We're aliens too to somebody else. Yes.
We're looking for them, but we're also looking for us. And we have this very narrow window of

Speaker 7 chemicals in our sky and the way and what we breathe and how we live.

Speaker 7 Like, what if it's something different somewhere else and they adapted and evolved in a different way and we don't, they're not like us. We're looking for us.

Speaker 7 And I know we're made up of the most common ingredients in the universe but

Speaker 7 very little slight changes and it changes our entire reality here like we won't we wouldn't be here

Speaker 6 so it's not shocking to you at all that they're that there's something else that no

Speaker 7 exactly I think I think what's confusing now when it comes to the UFO stuff is how

Speaker 7 what whether or not we're seeing UFOs or we're seeing a reverse engineering of our own doing, trying to figure things out.

Speaker 7 What does that mean, a reverse engineering of our own oh from crash landings and different technology that they've discovered over the years like area 51 yes why is the it's humongous yes gigantic area um you can't get anywhere close why do they have that

Speaker 7 it doesn't make sense right well for your safety from the aliens

Speaker 7 no just i mean i was so ready to storm area 51 back in the day

Speaker 7 years ago i mean i wouldn't have done it but i live in arizona so i'm like not

Speaker 6 but just remember that

Speaker 6 whenever they lie to you or hide the truth from you, it's for your safety. So it's totally fine.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 6 Thank you. Does it feel like the level of secrecy and deception is rising?

Speaker 7 I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 I would say maybe the level of secrecy and deception is just being exposed. Yes.
That feels more true. It's declining.

Speaker 7 I think that the veil is thinning between

Speaker 7 who is controlling that and

Speaker 7 how they're staying, how they're keeping it under wraps.

Speaker 6 So.

Speaker 6 Does it worry you that...

Speaker 7 You were all getting better at being psychic and sensitive.

Speaker 6 No, I think that's right. No, no, I think that...
I mean, do you find in your own life,

Speaker 6 and I think you probably, well, you told me, and maybe I shouldn't say this on air, but you spent last summer in Indiana and Europe, which seems like such a great combination because you kind of see all sides or a number of sides of the human experience.

Speaker 6 You're not only in Aspen.

Speaker 7 That's right, that's right.

Speaker 7 You can't stay in Aspen that long. It's too expensive.

Speaker 6 No, it's too expensive and it's totally distorting of

Speaker 6 your worldview.

Speaker 7 Yeah, when you walk by Gucci and Valentino on your way to the lift, you know, you're like.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's not good to spend all your time in Aspen.

Speaker 6 But you do spend time around, you know, well-educated, secular, rich people. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you find more people sort of mentioning God or the possibility of God or spiritual things than you used to?

Speaker 7 I think I've experienced people being more open to spirituality, and I think that it's all the same. I actually think it's kind of more semantics.

Speaker 7 I think it's just the way that you feel comfortable speaking about it. But I don't think that when you say God

Speaker 7 or when I say source, or I'd say God, I pray to God every night.

Speaker 7 I don't think that we're all talking about so much the same thing because we don't even know what that exact thing is.

Speaker 7 We're just using what we've grown up using as language,

Speaker 7 what feels comfortable to us, what's familiar.

Speaker 7 But I generally think that

Speaker 7 it's all the same.

Speaker 7 So I do hear about it more. So I guess I hear about it.

Speaker 6 So phrased another way, the country that I grew up in, probably similar to the one you grew up in, was a materialist country where the assumption was everything real can be perceived by the five senses and measured and tallied.

Speaker 6 And that's reality and everything outside of that is a conspiracy theory and a sign of mental illness. There is nothing that a scientist can't reduce to an atom in a lab.
Exactly.

Speaker 6 And I just feel like that view is going away.

Speaker 7 It is. Well with

Speaker 7 the quantum reality, with quantum physics and

Speaker 7 spooky things happening at a distance, as it was described, it's you know, quantum entanglement is something that I can't quite wrap my head around.

Speaker 6 I don't even know what that is, I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 when

Speaker 7 an atom has, when electrons have met, when they part in the universe, they have equal and opposite reaction no matter how far apart they are.

Speaker 7 So they're entangled and they have instantaneous reactions no matter how far apart they are.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 it really helps starts to make you wonder like how this reality folds on top of itself to be entangled.

Speaker 6 It's the same thing when you're like thinking about somebody and then they call you or you maybe it maybe you think you want to draw something into your life and you think about it and you kind of like oh you forget and then all of a sudden boom there it is it's like in other words these are the things connections between people are things that cannot be measured using the conventional measurements of science correct correct and that is such a consistent feature of the human experience like everyone knows what you're talking about So the idea that you could have a society that denied that is like by definition a foolish society, isn't it?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. And I think you're right right about people getting more sensitive to just the lies and the things going on.

Speaker 7 I think that we are living in a world where we don't know what to trust anymore. We used to think we have all the, you could watch a documentary and you were like, oh my God, that's true.

Speaker 7 Now you got to look at who paid for it. Yes.
You know, the news, as you well know, like what's true, what's not. You got in trouble for telling the truth.

Speaker 7 You know, it's, it's, it, you don't know where you, what you can trust.

Speaker 7 And I think we're like entering this age where we have to learn how to trust our intuition and we have to, we have to have critical thinking for ourselves. We can't just be told.

Speaker 7 We need to stop with this read and repeat lifestyle and we have to have critical thinking.

Speaker 6 So why, but at the same time, and of course I vehemently agree with you, but

Speaker 6 the people in charge, the U.S. government even, is more demanding that people just read the script.
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 7 Because then they're in power. Yeah.
I mean, it's just, it's much easier if you control the narrative for everything.

Speaker 7 It's like school books. Like I question school and the efficacy of what's in the school books.
Like

Speaker 7 the winners write the stories and also the propaganda of

Speaker 7 the whole operation of it. I don't know.
I questioned school even.

Speaker 6 I don't think you're allowed to do that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I know, but I'm not smart sometimes. I just say that.

Speaker 6 When did you leave school?

Speaker 7 16.

Speaker 7 I was 16 and I moved to England when I was 16.

Speaker 6 It's a race. So you never graduated American high school?

Speaker 7 I got my GED.

Speaker 6 Does that feel looking back like an advantage or a disadvantage?

Speaker 7 Oh, huge advantage.

Speaker 7 Like, like goodbye debt. Like, you don't, for either me or my parents, my parents would have been able to afford it.
They put my sister through seven years of school.

Speaker 7 So it was, I would have had that luxury in my life. But

Speaker 7 I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm not sure unless you're going to be a doctor or a lawyer. The hardest question to answer is what you want to do with your life.
That's actually the hardest question. Yes, it is.

Speaker 7 And once you know, you can get on with it. And having your own, having experience and getting your hands dirty in it, like there's nothing better than that.

Speaker 7 There's nothing better than the real experience than instead of going to school and flipping pages and partying on the weeks, weekends, weekdays.

Speaker 6 Your weekdays, yeah.

Speaker 7 And getting completely lost. You're getting lost.

Speaker 6 So you never went through that, obviously. I never went through that, yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, I described going to England when I was 16 as like my college, but it, and I sure partied and had fun, but

Speaker 7 I didn't go to school like classically.

Speaker 6 Wow. And you see that as a huge advantage.

Speaker 7 I agree with you. I definitely don't see it as a disadvantage.
I definitely don't. And you know, while I, I mean, I will say there's some things, and maybe this is where politics scares me a little.

Speaker 7 There's some general things about life and history that I'm not very good about, like not knowing when wars happened and all these like details that I just didn't learn, nor was I that interested in, but I wasn't in school to absorb all of it.

Speaker 7 And so, there's some things like that that I don't know off the top of my head, but but I got other life experiences and I applied myself in all the other areas that I was really interested in.

Speaker 7 And I think that's the spark of life, right? To do things that you really love and to follow things and learn with what you want to learn about.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I feel like one of the things that I have

Speaker 7 thankfully learned in my life after racing was

Speaker 7 the things that are meant for you will give you energy no matter how much, how many hours it takes.

Speaker 7 So as an example, I would go to the racetrack and I'd have to do an autograph session for an hour at a

Speaker 7 anywhere you could imagine.

Speaker 7 And it would be the most draining thing for me. Like just so exhausted, like, hi, how are you? Great.
Thanks. Have a nice day.

Speaker 6 Oh, oh, how are you, kid?

Speaker 7 You know, like, and you just, for an hour, it's just hello, goodbye, hello, goodbye. And it's small talk and it's less than small talk.

Speaker 7 And then I remember one day in particular, I think I might have done two or three podcasts and they are each like an hour, hour and a half long in a day. And I got done.

Speaker 7 And you'd think I'd be so exhausted because it's far harder to be the interviewer than the interviewee, even though I'm doing the talking because you're thinking.

Speaker 7 And so I spent all day like critically thinking and paying attention and where do I want to take this interview.

Speaker 7 But I got done with my day and I felt like I was high. I was so energized that I was like, I needed to do something with the energy.

Speaker 7 And I walked on the the beach and I was like, oh my God, just like, this is the most amazing day. But I spent six or seven hours like in the chair being really focused.

Speaker 7 But the, but what I learned was that when you're doing things that are really meant for you and that feed your soul, it gives you energy.

Speaker 6 That is the feel that? That is the truest thing. So how did you, and the key, as you said, is to figure out as young as you possibly can what the path is that you're designed for.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Not that you're forcing yourself into, but that you were actually made to do. How did you figure that out so young?

Speaker 7 Well, I mean, I got to try a lot of things.

Speaker 7 But, you know, I will say that while racing is what I did and I loved it, it wasn't always my passion. Like, I don't go back to it now.
I mean, I do some race broadcasting and things like that.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I'll watch some races, but

Speaker 7 I don't go to the racetrack on the weekends. I don't go try and find a car to jump in to drive.

Speaker 7 I mean, I have my Lamborghini. I'll just drive that.

Speaker 6 Your 200 mile an hour SUV. Exactly.

Speaker 7 But I

Speaker 7 but I have other interests and other passions. So for me, I feel like now I'm finally getting to tap into those things where like I'm really, really passionate about.

Speaker 7 And one of them's truth, which is where I feel like I really relate to you on that.

Speaker 6 So how alienating is that to people around you?

Speaker 7 That I...

Speaker 6 Well, it's upsetting to people when you say things like a lot of what we've learned is not true

Speaker 6 and history is effectively propaganda.

Speaker 6 It's a version of the story but it's not the whole story things like that which I think are self-evidently true but that that is not well received sometimes mm-hmm well I think you have to know your audience a little bit right know your audience here and there

Speaker 7 know your moments to to hit it

Speaker 7 But I have a lot of like-minded people around me, but I'm totally fine if they're not. I love learning.
And if I change my mind, it means I learned something.

Speaker 7 So I also like spending time with people and listening to people talk about something that's a totally different perspective.

Speaker 7 But I'd say in general, most of the people around me are of a like mind. They're also skeptical.

Speaker 6 Have you been attacked? You said you were attacked online.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, I was super surprised by how it went when I went to the turning point event and when I talked about loving my country and posting these pictures.

Speaker 7 And I went with my sister and it was just a fun, fun few days. And

Speaker 7 I was just really surprised that people people could be so angry about and I didn't even make a stance they I think everybody thinks it's basically a Trump rally right

Speaker 6 what is it about Trump that

Speaker 6 I mean I understand what it is about Trump that people don't like yeah obviously

Speaker 6 I get it I know Trump and I like Trump he's hilarious and interesting but I certainly understand why people don't like him for sure. It's very obvious.

Speaker 6 But what I don't understand is the hysteria and the brain shutting down and doing the opposite just for the sake of giving the finger to Trump. Like I don't get that.
So triggered.

Speaker 7 What is that? Just people are very triggered.

Speaker 6 But why? What is it about?

Speaker 7 Well, foundational, I think foundation, there are foundational things to our life, politics, religion. These are foundational to our reality and what we've built our life on.

Speaker 7 And when you pull one of those out from the foundation, this is my opinion, but I think that what happens is there is an implied subconscious understanding that when you pull out one of those building blocks, it's going to be a snowball effect for the rest of your life.

Speaker 7 Like if you pull out one of those foundational elements, what else isn't true? No, it's true. What else about your life isn't going to work anymore.
And

Speaker 7 that is a global life change to pull something foundational out.

Speaker 6 I didn't expect you to be the smartest professional athlete.

Speaker 6 I didn't. I didn't.
Sorry, I didn't.

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Speaker 6 That's a very wise point. And I saw this with the VAX.

Speaker 6 You know, the people I knew who really thought about it or had strong feelings about the VAX, especially the ones who didn't want to take it, wound up in places they never expected to be.

Speaker 6 Their views on a lot of other things changed. I saw a lot of people whose politics completely changed just on that one issue.

Speaker 6 Very much. Did you notice that?

Speaker 7 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 7 it was just a very divisive thing. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It just got so insanely divisive. And I think also kind kind of made things more confusing in a way that you'd think these people do these things and these people do those things.

Speaker 7 It was like it went from being like the group that was my body, my choice were the ones that were like, you got to do it. And then so it got like, it really actually made things, made the

Speaker 7 made the corruption or the propaganda or the manipulation that was going on to become more obvious because things started to get very messy, right?

Speaker 6 Did you feel like immediately?

Speaker 7 Yeah, you're like, but this, this doesn't make sense.

Speaker 6 All of a sudden I was having conversations with people who,

Speaker 6 you know, were lifelong liberals or a lot of black people who never voted Republican in their lives, big Obama supporters. All of a sudden,

Speaker 6 all of a sudden, I just realized, wait, we have a lot in common, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, and then on the other side, people I'd been really close to and loved and still love, but they were absolutely on the other side of it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 It was interesting. It was a realignment that was not along party lines at all.

Speaker 7 Right, exactly.

Speaker 6 Yeah, at all. Exactly.

Speaker 7 And I think it really showed how persuasive media propaganda and isolation can be.

Speaker 7 I mean, one of the things that can drive, like I think they've done back in the 50s and 60s, were testing out things like sensory deprivation when you are put in a space with no sound,

Speaker 7 no visuals, no nothing.

Speaker 7 And that can drive, that will drive people insane. So now you do it on some level and you put people in a house, they can't see anyone, they can't do it, and you're going to drive them insane.

Speaker 6 Where did you spend COVID?

Speaker 7 Oh, I had a very interesting start to COVID.

Speaker 7 I was in Peru.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think a lot of people started COVID.

Speaker 7 I was doing ayahuasca in Peru.

Speaker 6 For real? Yeah. What was that like?

Speaker 7 Which part?

Speaker 6 Doing ayahuasca.

Speaker 6 In Peru. Where in Peru?

Speaker 7 Sacred Valley and like, yeah, in a lodge.

Speaker 6 Was it worth doing?

Speaker 7 Of course. Because I love the truth.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So it showed me a lot about the truth about things that I needed to know.

Speaker 6 How long did my last?

Speaker 7 Well, the experience lasts,

Speaker 6 I don't know, eight hours maybe. Did you go with someone you trust?

Speaker 7 I went with Aaron and another couple, and then there were Shamans.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 7 And so we got woke up in the middle of the night to

Speaker 7 the pilot saying, you got to go home because they're closing the border by 10 a.m.

Speaker 6 Were you still on ayahuasca when they did that?

Speaker 6 No way. So you're getting into a light plane with Aaron Rodgers on ayahuasca and being evacuated from the Sacred Valley.

Speaker 7 With the shamans, yeah.

Speaker 6 Would that be awesome? If you were to rank your life by weirdness,

Speaker 6 that would be near the top, right?

Speaker 7 Oh man, I'm losing credibility here.

Speaker 6 Or gaining it.

Speaker 7 I don't know. It's just the truth, you know? And so then it was in Malibu.

Speaker 6 And then. Wait, wait, what was the plane ride like?

Speaker 7 Well, we did what's called integration on the plane.

Speaker 6 What does that mean?

Speaker 7 Where you talk about your experience.

Speaker 6 On the plane. Yeah.
Not a huge plane, I imagine.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's big enough for eight or 10, 12 people, whatever. It's a big enough plane.

Speaker 7 And then, yeah, flew back. Flew back to Malibu, spent it the first couple of months in Malibu, and then Indiana.

Speaker 6 So what did you learn from Myahuasca?

Speaker 7 Well

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 I'm a very relationship kind of person. Like I love relationship and so I have this idea that someone's going to sort of complete me and I realized that I was going to have to do it with myself.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 7 Like it was, that was the only way.

Speaker 6 That no human being can feel that.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That's profound and true.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. But it was felt.
So the difference is in those experiences, you feel it. You don't just know it, you feel it.
So you go from an awareness to an embodiment.

Speaker 7 Right. Where embodied is like, you just, embody is when something happens and you say, and it just is.
Yes. It just, it's an is-ness.
You're like, that's just, it's just the truth.

Speaker 7 That's the way it is. Yes.
And as opposed to, well,

Speaker 7 I think they're doing this. They're lying to us that like when you feel the lie and you've experienced it, it's just, this is the problem.

Speaker 6 Well, it changes your behavior. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 So it's the, so you get a really felt experience.

Speaker 6 Yes, I've had that.

Speaker 7 Which is, I think, what makes it super powerful.

Speaker 6 Very. Yeah.
And those are the ones that change your. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I think there's a lot of

Speaker 7 judgment and curiosity around, you know, around this stuff. But,

Speaker 7 you know, again, I think this is one of those areas where the world is branching out a little bit and thinking outside of the box of,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 where we've been and the way we do things. And I think it's a really powerful tool.

Speaker 6 Did it change your relationships?

Speaker 6 I mean, once you realize that no other human being can complete you, as you say. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, that's got to have implications for how you relate to other people, right?

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I think that one of the big things that's happened that is sort of like a spin-off of it is just I just take less things personally and I get a little less triggered.

Speaker 7 And I understand that everybody is the way they are because of how they're brought up, their experiences.

Speaker 7 And, you know, they're just, they're seeing life through their own lens and to not feel like if somebody gets angry or does something to me, that it's about me.

Speaker 7 You get a little out of that selfish position of like, it's about me all the time. It's not always about me.

Speaker 7 Everybody has things that they're going through and ways that they've been brought up and orientations and their own triggers and sometimes just nothing to do with me.

Speaker 6 There's a line that I can't exactly recall, but it's to the effect, if you knew what was happening, really happening with other people, you would judge them less. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I feel like it gave me a little bit more like

Speaker 7 patience and like empathy for situations. And also

Speaker 7 one of the most important things is accountability.

Speaker 7 So accountable for my own reality too. Like perception, I believe, is reality.

Speaker 7 So the way that, again, this sort of lens we look through, like if you can either look at going bungee jumping as being the scariest thing on the planet or so exciting. Right.

Speaker 7 So however you, your perception on things, so if I'm looking at a situation and it doesn't feel right, doesn't look right, it's like I just literally ask myself, what is my part?

Speaker 7 Like what is my part in this perception that I have? Is it because I'm scared? Is it because I'm, um, I, is it because I'm insecure? Is it because what is the thing that's driving my behavior?

Speaker 7 So it gave me a lot of accountability too.

Speaker 6 Was there any downside?

Speaker 7 Yeah, getting sick during it. You get pretty sick.
I mean, you can. One night I did, one night I didn't.

Speaker 6 So, wow, you've had quite a journey. Yeah.
What are you going to do with the rest of your life? Do you have a clear picture of it? No,

Speaker 7 I don't.

Speaker 7 I have ideas and dreams and I have companies and I have things that I do and I have visions for all of them.

Speaker 7 But my life changes in ways that I could never expect every couple of years. So I'm sure that will continue to be the case.

Speaker 7 And I think that, and I'm curious what you think about this, but I think part of that is because I choose to want to know the truth. Yes.
And when you do that, it implies that sometimes things change.

Speaker 7 And whether it's relationships or job or where you live or your friends, sometimes things change.

Speaker 7 And to be okay with that. And that I still choose.
choose truth and I choose myself over that every time.

Speaker 6 I haven't heard you mention money or allude to it a single time or commercial enterprises or whatever. So clearly your main goal is not to amass as much as you can.

Speaker 7 No. In fact, I'd like to spend it.

Speaker 6 You'd like to spend it? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I don't want to die with a whole bunch of money and why wouldn't I spend it? I'd like to spend it.

Speaker 6 What would you spend it on?

Speaker 7 Well, right now I spend it on travel.

Speaker 7 having good people around me. Like I like to pay the people around me.
I like them to be happy.

Speaker 7 I spend it on building businesses because

Speaker 7 I enjoy and have passion for what it is that I'm selling.

Speaker 7 And so I have wines. I have a couple of wines that I make.
I have a little candle company.

Speaker 7 So those are kind of what I put my money into.

Speaker 6 How do you have a property?

Speaker 7 I went to Egypt and learned a lot about aromatherapy and

Speaker 7 then decided to make some candles out of it.

Speaker 6 You enjoy it?

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, that's fun. The wine is really great.
It's such a passion of mine. I love wine.

Speaker 7 And then I do speaking engagements and race broadcast hosting stuff. And I take a lot of vacations.
So,

Speaker 7 you know, I've always felt like, and this is from a young age, that

Speaker 7 if I do a good job at something, the money will just show up. Like if people believe in it, they like it, that the money will just be there.
And money's never been a motivating factor for me.

Speaker 7 It is merely a barometer. That's how I see it.
So I want to make money because it means that people like what I'm doing

Speaker 7 and they like me, but not because I want the money, but because it's an indication. It's an indication of the value of what I'm offering or the

Speaker 7 or what it or what it inspires people.

Speaker 7 So like with racing, I'm sure I offered value for my sponsors, but also the attention from fans that was then used to sell things by sponsors was because I was inspiring them.

Speaker 7 So and they were paying attention to what I was doing and wanted to see more.

Speaker 7 So, I kind of see money as being a byproduct of doing a good job.

Speaker 6 So, last question, I'm sure you've thought about this, but if you, so you've said that your main goal in life going forward is to tell the truth, to find the truth, and then to say it out loud.

Speaker 7 I feel like I have. Have I not told you? Yeah, you have.

Speaker 6 No, and I'm getting a truthful vibe.

Speaker 7 I'm like, dang, Danica, what did you just say?

Speaker 6 No, no, no. I don't think any of it.

Speaker 7 Don't hit me too hard here.

Speaker 6 No, no, no, not at all. I don't think any of it objectively is offensive at all.
The truth is never offensive, but it does offend

Speaker 6 because it's true. Right? Right, right.

Speaker 7 Because it makes people uncomfortable because either, because they would never do it. Like, there's a quick little hack that I learned a long time ago.
Like,

Speaker 7 what we judge is what we deny. So if you judge something in someone, it's probably because you deny yourself that.
Like, for me, I always use the example of laziness.

Speaker 7 Like, I always judge lazy people because I would deny myself rest. every day.
And so, you know, it triggers people. And usually they deny themselves the things that they're judging.
Smart.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 I mean, the truth is just inherently divisive. I guess that's what I'm saying.
And you think it unites, but it doesn't.

Speaker 6 It breaks in half.

Speaker 6 And so, which is sad, but it's the nature of the world, of the spiritual world. Are you ready for that? Like, there will be consequences.
And I'm not even talking about politics.

Speaker 6 I just mean the truth about anything

Speaker 6 will cause people to hate you. Yeah.
Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 7 I'm totally, totally ready.

Speaker 6 You're not bothered by that.

Speaker 7 I think I've spent, the guy had a good grooming session by being a girl race car driver for so long and people being triggered by that and, you know, chauvinism or just people that weren't open-minded to it and

Speaker 7 didn't like that idea. And so

Speaker 7 I feel like I've been practicing to be strong like that my whole life. And you're so right when you tell the truth.
You just really don't get bothered. It just is what it is.
It's business, right?

Speaker 7 Like it's just.

Speaker 6 Well, it makes you strong inside.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly. It makes you strong inside.
And what you said at Amfest was just so

Speaker 7 powerful and a message that we all need to hear. And we're not always all going to agree on things.

Speaker 7 But when you live in your own truth, you can be less triggered. You can be more calm and peaceful.
You can be happier.

Speaker 7 And you can be stronger and more solid inside of yourself, which is, I think, just, we all just want to figure out how to be happier, right? Yes.

Speaker 7 When we're choosing a president, it's so that we can live in a world that makes us happier, right? When we're choosing a partner, we're choosing someone that would hopefully make us happier.

Speaker 7 So the happiest thing you can do is to just to be honest, right?

Speaker 6 All the time.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Danica Patrick.
Thank you. Thank you, Tucker.
That was not what I expected. I appreciate it.

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