Danica Patrick: Life After Racing, Conspiracy Theories and the Search for Truth

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Here's the episode. Danica Patrick is probably the most famous woman in American professional car racing.
In fact, she may be the only woman really ever in American professional car racing. And she's also, and this is not known to her many fans, perhaps, but a great and charming and interesting and smart person.
And so we're grateful that she joins us now in studio. Danica Patrick, thank you.
Thank you. For coming on.
Why would you sully your storied career by coming here? Are you kidding me? This is of the utmost importance. Because I'm curious about politics for the first time in my life.
I don't even know if we're going to talk about that today. Well, I'm just interested because like every professional athlete I've ever met from a very young age, you're in this silo, you're totally focused on what you do.
You did a very unconventional thing. You were not the beneficiary of, there is no affirmative action in car racing.
It's just like who's fastest. And so to get there, obviously, every waking moment, I assume, is focused on that, right? And it's like such a yes.
And the mindset is such a narrow focus. Yes.
So you, and I only observe it, I can only notice it now based on the contrast where I can take in so much more. I can receive so much more.
I didn't even remember everybody's name that I'd meet on the weekends. And you were just in this regimented routine and this very, very narrow focus of being able to go out there and drive a couple hundred miles an hour and put your life on the line for years and years and years and years.
So it was people ask me all the time, are you done racing? And I'm like, for sure I'm done

racing. And I said, but if I had to do it, I know I could, but it would take so long to, to narrow back up again so that I could be in that, in that focus to do it.
So what's the regimen like for keeping that focus? No, they're just less distractions. There's just almost not time for it.
Um, do your sponsor appearances, you do team meetings, you go work out, but you pretty much don't do other activities. You're not distracted and interested in getting your cup filled with a lot of other things.
You're just racing all the time. But how do you keep the distractions of the world away from you? They never come in in the first place.
Is that right? They never come in in the first place, which is where I live in a... Because you're so insulated.
So you're so insulated. You're just, the schedule is the schedule, and you're always at the mercy of if a sponsor needs you, if you need to go testing.
And so then when I was done, now I realize how many other things I do. People ask me what I do now.
I'm like, wow, well, and I list a whole bunch of things. And I'm like, and I also take a lot of vacations now.
And so there's just so many other interests I have that it sort of is, yeah, it just spreads you out a lot more. Did you feel like you were coming out of an enclosed space when you left? Like you had missed things? No, no, no.
I mean, I didn't feel like I was enclosed, but I felt like the fact that I could make my own schedule was just brand new to me. The fact that I could plan a vacation was brand new to me.
Or somebody would be like, oh, we're getting married this weekend. I'd be like, I might be able to make it.
Yes, I know the feeling. Yeah, exactly.
It's a good feeling. It is, to have some freedom to be the controller of your destiny and also plan the fun when you want to plan it i also noticed one thing too and i i don't know if this is something you've felt too but uh i used to not be able to down regulate very easily and relax and and even just going on vacation was never really enough it would be you'd have that feeling the first few days of if it wasn't longer than five days long, by the day two or three, you thought already I'm leaving and you never relaxed.
Where now I can go have a half a day and relax in my half a day. But back in the day, I couldn't relax for a week.
So what did you do? I mean, how did you relax? Because I mean, you have to unwind at some point or you go insane. Not much.
I think very much you know i'd always stay very upregulated like get up work out do these things yeah which is probably why it took me like a few years to heal my adrenals and i believe heal my you know get into parasympathetic and what's the world like that you live in what are the people like kind of cutthroat and i think that's one of the things that i was ready to be done with is that i just felt like like the people it was all it wasn't also either that it wasn't that happy like everybody was grinding everybody was just like grinding it was like week in week out like a race. Yeah, exactly.
And it was just all like such a grind. And people were okay.
There was some nice people, but in general, it was like stressful, competitive politicking. I mean, there was of course politicking and racing.
And so it was, yeah, it just wasn't as, it just wasn't as fun anymore at the end.

Or I noticed it wasn't fun.

So there's not like a bar where all the drivers go to hang out.

Well, in NASCAR, there was a lot more of those bars to hang out.

And I mean that, figuratively speaking.

Like there was just some guys that were more fun and relaxed more.

But IndyCar was much more serious.

There'd be drivers that would talk about like, I don't drink during the season. And I was like, bummer.
Sorry for you. But, yeah, they were much more serious.
Why? Like, what are the physical demands of it? I noticed people seem to be in really good shape. Yeah.
IndyCar was really physical. The cars didn't have power steering.
So they were much, much more physical. And they also had more downforce based on the fact that they have wings, so that pushes the car down into the ground.

So stock cars were hot.

So inside of the car, it would be 130, 140 maybe.

And so you'd lose a lot of, you'd sweat a lot in those cars.

So just staying hydrated was really the main feat in NASCAR. There was some slightly more physical races, but they had power steering.
So it was actually much easier to drive a stock car. But I didn't let anyone know that because they thought, wow, how do you drive those big cars? I'm like, well, you know, just strong.
Wow. So you have to be in decent.
Yeah. And there's also something called like shape, where you're in the car so often that the muscles that you need are all really conditioned well.
So your steering muscles are outside. Yeah, steering neck, back, shoulders.
Huh. Yeah.
Your shins. I was in the gym the other day, and they're like, you have really nice whatever, and I don't know what the don't know what the shin muscles called and i'm like well you know it's probably a whole bunch of that in my life accelerating yeah how's your driving now crazy like is that true yeah 100 yeah like not every race car driver is crazy when they drive on the road but i am for sure really do you ever get tickets sure actually i just got a text today somebody's like there's something in the mail did you get a ticket and i said i am sure i got a ticket somewhere along the way do they and they actually write them well this one was a photo i believe but um but that yeah they will write them i haven't been physically pulled over by a cop in a while but they will pretty much always give i think it's the robots are policing us now is that yeah yeah pretty soon it's going to be by air it's 100 right like they're not going to need to mount it to a bridge and take a photo no it's our drone masters yeah exactly maybe they're just going to be tracking us at all times i don't think there's any question about it i mean is that doesn't that sound so exciting i gotta ask you one last car question what do you drive uh i have a lamborghini urus so it's an suv but it definitely drives like a car and i had a i had Range for a long time, and I don't know what I was thinking, because the Lambo is way, way more fun.
How fast is it? I mean, it'll go 200 for sure, but I definitely get it to 100 every day I drive it. For real? To like the gym, the yoga studio, grocery? Exactly, yep.
Yep. The airport, since that's where I go all the time these days.
What do your neighbors think? Oh, I'm super respectful in the neighborhood though. So there's, there's sport mode.
There's actually a couple levels of sport mode in the car. And when you have it in normal, like standard mode, it gives you a whole bunch of alarms.
It'll give you like lane departure alarms, closing rate alarms, all these things. and and I can't turn them off for permanently the only way I can turn them off is by changing it to a different more mode so I drive it in sport mode which means it doesn't shift until like 5,000 rpm so it's just full sewing so it's like what so when I pull into the neighborhood I put it back in normal mode so that I don't drive at 5,000 RPM around the neighborhood.
But the car's demanding it, is what you're saying. The car wants it.
It's asking for RPM. So what did you notice about the world when you were able to let it in? That it didn't matter that I had bad weekends.
I used to think every single weekend in the car, because that was my life, like every practice session, every qualifying, every race, it all mattered so much. And I thought everyone was watching how, and it only mattered if it was poor, how poorly I performed at times.
And when I got done, I was like, oh, it just didn't really matter. It just really didn't matter that much.
Hit the high points, have good days, but you didn't need to stress so much about every day and every session being so good. And then what did I learn about the world outside of my own internal relationship with what I did is just that I didn't have any hobbies and I needed to find some.
Really? So what did you take up? Skiing and golf. Wow.
Are you good? Oh, no. Oh, no.
But I'm getting better. And in fact, I was just an Aspen and Bobby, RFK, just gave me some lessons on the way down.
So I picked up my speed tremendously due to his lessons. How do you run to Bobby Kennedy at Aspen? Well, let's see.
Aubrey Marcus was doing something with them and his wife, Vailana, was someone I was just in Egypt with. And so she was like, hey, I heard you're coming to Aspen.
I don't know if that's true or not, but Bobby's doing an event. If you want to go, here's the contact so you can set things up.
And there you go. And I'm having lunch with him and Cheryl.
What did you think of him? I think he's a super, super nice guy. I think he has a lot of heart.
I think he's very relatable. I mean, even when we were hanging out, skiing, having lunch, he was just in the normal ski lodge just yeah having a burger and french fries and people just come up to him he takes a picture with everybody um he's super nice and i just really think that he's like he just has a lot of heart um so i i like him a lot so when did you start thinking about politics about five minutes ago uh i what have you concluded it It's so new to me.
And I think we're at a really interesting point in time in this next year with this next election. Can I ask, did you not ever talk about it when you were racing? No.
Do you want to hear an athlete talk about politics or religion? Yeah, kind of. Do you? I don't know.
It depends on the athlete. I suppose.
I mean, you probably would appreciate the politics more for sure, being that's your world in which you've... But are people, they don't talk about it? No, no, no, not really.
And well, I mean, where I came from, NASCAR, I mean, I don't know if there's anybody really very liberal or a Democrat in the whole garage. Yeah, I bet that's right.
It's very Republican, very conservative. Yes.
And it didn't make me like that. That's kind of the way I am anyway.
But I feel like I've lived my lifestyle in a much more, I don't know, casual way where I kind of think people should be able to get married if they want to get married. If they don't want to have a baby, you know, I mean, I believe that people should be able to choose their life path.
Yes and um so those are kind of more liberal thoughts but i also think the country should be kind of run a little bit more like a business and you know if we're all handing our money over like let's make this do good things with the country so i suppose i have more conservative approaches to you know how things should be run um so but i've never really gotten interested because I didn't have time space energy it didn't feel like it mattered to me um and but now we're at this i'm at this point where it's kind of coming at me i mean i'm sitting here with you yeah i'm so baffled yeah so how is it coming at you what do you mean um i don't know just opportunities are presenting themselves and my interest has really peaked maybe in the last like six months or so um and so maybe it's maybe it's my own sort of magneticism to it because i'm generating some of my own personal interest um i didn't have to go to am fest where we met for the first time finally i didn't have to go to that but i was like oh let's go check it out and uh growing up my dad's pretty pretty into all this stuff and i would actually be like dad at some point in time you got to turn off fox news you know you just some point in time you got to turn it out. And growing up, my dad's pretty into all this stuff.
And I would actually be like, Dad, at some point in time, you got to turn off Fox News. You know, you just some point in time, you got to turn it off.
Did it ever happen? He actually did. He did.
Because he just kept getting so jaded and angry all the time. And so he's like, I promise this is just the local unbiased news.
This is just, you know, just local Indianapolis news. So there's like a background of my family being interested.
And I was probably the last one to the party. Oh, really? So they're sort of aware of us? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. More conservative than me.
Interesting. Yeah.
But you felt something inside you changed. Yeah.
And I think it's good time to be care to care i've never even voted good for you i've not registered i've never voted i'm and my argument against it was that i'm not going to complain about it if i complain i have to do my part but if i don't and i never did i was like you know i have my choices and preferences but hey you know what's happening is what's happening and i you know it's just interesting that that changed i mean by the way i'm not criticizing yeah that approach why why do you think i mean what's the best reason like what about it is curious because the world that we grew up in is disappearing really fast and if you liked it you know it's worth preserving And so people who didn't want to be involved, not inherently interested in it, are like, wait a second, I liked that country. And what is this? This is like crazy.
This is out of control. You have to say something, right? I think that's pretty much where it got to is like, it's one thing for people to be able to live how they want to live and operate.
It's another thing when the what they're doing is now finally affecting you. That's way up in your face.
So the things that for me, it's like, you can't say what you want to say anymore. You get in trouble for having an opinion.
I got in trouble for going to AmFest and saying that I love this country. People were like, I hate you.
You're awful. Unfollow.
And I'm like, how did we get to this point where you can't say I love this country yes um where i feel like you know you see chemtrails all over the sky and like they're poisoning our air they poison our food and i'm like this is really affecting me now yes what are so what are chemtrails well it's a little bit more conspiracy like but i don't know but where most of those who turn out to be true exactly um where they just spray different metals into the air. It controls, geoengineering controls the weather.
Every time I see them, I feel like, well, it's sure to be a cloudy day tomorrow. You know, where you see the big grid mark in the sky where it's just all lines that don't dissipate because, you know, it's not vapor.
I don't think people look at the sky anymore because they have iPhones. So maybe they don't notice.
Do you know what I mean? I think stargazing is extinct. But how did you learn about that? Conspiracies, for sure.
Just like getting interested. Yeah.
Yeah. Like noticing the things around you and wondering what they are.
Yeah. Yeah.
I was very spiritual. And then I dated someone that was a little bit more conspiracy-based.
Yes. Who just got on the hot seat for calling Jimmy Kimmel out.
Yes, I noticed that. So I got more into conspiracy.
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So Aaron Rodgers, I'm just interested in that. I don't know anything about it and I'm not alleging anything.
But Aaron Rodgers goes on a podcast the other day and says, I bet you Jimmy Kimmel's on the list. And Jimmy Kimmel immediately responds,

hey, asshole, you're wrong.

I'm going to sue you for saying that.

But he, and I don't know the truth,

but he said it with some kind of certainty.

It seemed like there was some anger.

Yeah.

Jimmy seemed like, and it was only a tweet,

or it was only words, obviously not out of his mouth,

but there definitely seemed like there was some anger there.

So, but Aaron Rodgers seemed to know, kind of know what he was talking about. I mean, I don't know that.
He's always been interested in conspiracies. I don't know the truth either.
Does anyone know the truth? I mean, that's what we're trying to figure out. I certainly don't.
And that's, you know, when we were at AmFest, that was your whole foundation is like, tell the truth. Yes.
And, and that is really all all i care about in my own personal life before

i was ever in politics or ever interested into politics um was just like i just want to know the truth i want to know the truth about myself i want to know the truth about someone else about what's really going on that is one of the foundational most important things to me is knowing the truth you said you were spiritual yeah yeah much more spiritual what does that mean Um, just that? Just that I don't just think there's a guy sitting on a throne in the sky kind of thing, and I don't look at all the words in the Bible or anything and think it's sort of verbatim the way it's written. I even remember a long, long time ago being curious why Lent, you'd skip meat on Fridays during Lent I was like but why and so then I what I feel like I found out and I could be wrong but but is that it was a luxury back in those days so you abstain from a luxury as a sacrifice I'm like well that makes sense I'll pick something that's a luxury but like knowing the truth about why we're doing that is what what these are the things that the questions that i ask so i guess i'm a skeptical person you should be yeah but you think there is truth uh-huh yeah i mean i get a little bit into the more esoteric side of truth and i wonder about um the nature of objective truth i think there could be like obviously a um a collective agreed upon truth based on our reality that we live in but do we really even know what our reality is and are we just are we our own little mini universes experiencing things through our own lens if that's the case then i wonder how true objective truths really are because we all have our own based on our lens does it seem like recently there have been cracks in that reality that yeah doesn't it? It'd make you wonder if it's not a bit of a movie set? Doesn't it? I mean, I really, it seems like so far-fetched to imagine that there is some massive, like some singular puppet orchestrating everything on the planet in a nefarious way because it seems like we'd figure it out like how do we not figure it out how could that be hidden how could that stay hidden um but as time goes on and we keep learning more things um it's just a lot of a lot of a lot of scary things that go on in the world and that we don't know about.
Does that make you curious too? Who's really like... The basis of my whole life.
Exactly. Yeah.
But you've been onto it for way longer. Well, I don't understand any of it, of course.
I don't understand any of it. My only gift is the ability to notice obvious things and perceive lying.
I'm good at that. I'm not good at dot connecting.
I don I don't know what it means, but I know when you're lying. That is.
You just realize that you're probably just kind of like intuitive and psychic then? No, I'm not. No, no.
I think it's very. Look, I think your instincts are the guide in life.
Yeah. But what is that? Well, I think it's divinely inspired.
That's my question. Yeah, 100%.
Same, same, same. And I think that your instincts are the one thing that don't lie to you.
They're not trying to sell you anything. Right.
Get you to vote for them. They act only on your behalf and they tell the truth.
And the question is, can you interpret them correctly? I get strong feelings from people or from situations. I don't always know what those feelings amount to, but I know there's something there.
But the most obvious one is deception. Like, I don't know what you're lying about.
I don't know why you're doing it, but I know it's happening for sure. And I think we all have that.
It's, I have no unique

gift. I just am dumb enough to sort of follow my instincts.
I'm like, I don't. Brave enough.

I don't know. We're like demented enough, but January 6th, like, I'm not exactly sure what

happened. The story they told us is not true.
That's a fact. Do you know what I mean? Exactly.

I've always found that when things don't make sense, we're just missing some of the truth.

And you're like, wait, but this and that, you're just missing some of the truth.

And then you've got to go figure it out.

So I'd be interested to know, do you take the UFO story seriously?

And what do you make of it?

Well, there's way too many of them for it to not be true, right?

Yes, I think that's right.

There's just way too many stories.

And I just think that it's insanely arrogant of us to think that we're the only game in town we're aliens too to somebody else yes we're looking for him but we're also looking for us and we have this very narrow window of of chemicals in our sky and the way and what we what we breathe and how we live like what if it's something different somewhere else and they adapted and evolved in a different way and we don't they're not like us we're looking for us and i know we're made up of the most common ingredients in the universe but very little slight changes and it changes our entire reality here like we wouldn't be here so it's not shocking to shocking to you at all that there's something else that we can't see? No, exactly. I think what's confusing now when it comes to the UFO stuff is whether or not we're seeing UFOs or we're seeing a reverse engineering of our own doing, trying to figure things out.
What does that mean, a reverse engineering? Oh, from crash landings and different technology that they've discovered over the years. Like Area 51.
Yes. Why is the, it's humongous.
Yes. It's a gigantic area.
You can't get anywhere close. Why do they have that? It doesn't make sense, right? Well, for your safety.
From the aliens? I don't know! I mean, I was so ready to storm Area 51 back in the day. Really? Years ago.
I mean, I wouldn't have done it, but I live in Arizona, so I'm like, how far? But just remember that whenever they lie to you or hide the truth from you, it's for your safety. So it's totally fine.
Oh, okay. Thank you.

Does it feel like the level of secrecy and deception is rising? I don't know about that. I would say maybe the level of secrecy and deception is just being exposed.
Yes. That feels more true.
Maybe it's think that i think that the veil is thinning

between you know the the the who is controlling that and and and and how they're staying how

they're keeping it under wraps so does it worry you that we're all getting better at being psychic

and sensitive no i think that's right i mean no i think that i mean do you find in your own life

and i think you probably well you told me maybe i shouldn't say this on air but you spent

Thank you. Maybe we're all getting better at being psychic and sensitive to the intuition.
No, I think that's right. I mean, do you find in your own life, and I think you probably, well, you told me, maybe I shouldn't say this on air, but you spent last summer in Indiana and Europe, which seems like such a great combination because you kind of see all sides or a number of sides of the human experience.
You're not only in Aspen. That's right.
That's right. You can't stay in Aspen that long.
It's too expensive.. No, it's too expensive and it's totally distorting of your world.
Yeah. When you walk by Gucci and Valentino on your way to the lift, you know, you're like.
Yeah. It's not good to spend all your time in Aspen.
Right. But do you, but you do spend time around, you know, well-educated secular rich people.
Yeah. Do you find more people sort of mentioning God or the possibility of God or spiritual things than you used to? I think I've experienced people being more open to spirituality.
And I think that it's all the same. I actually think it's kind of more semantics.
I think it's just the way that you feel comfortable speaking about it. But I don't think that when you say God or when I say source, or I'd say God, I pray to God every night.
I don't think that we're all talking about so much the same thing because we don't even know what that exact thing is. We're just using what we've grown up using as language, what feels comfortable to us, what's familiar.
But I generally think that it's all the same. So I do hear about it more.
So I guess I hear about it more. So phrased another way, the country that I grew up in, probably similar to the one you grew up in, was a materialist country where the assumption was everything real can be perceived by the five senses and measured and tallied.
And that's reality, and everything outside of that is a conspiracy theory and a sign of mental illness. There is nothing that a scientist can't reduce to an atom in a lab.
Exactly. And I just feel like that view is going away.
It is. Well, with the quantum reality, with quantum physics and spooky things happening at a distance, as it was described.

Quantum entanglement is something that I can't quite wrap my head around.

I don't even know what that is. I've never heard of it.

When electrons have met, when they part in the universe, they have equal and opposite reaction no matter how far apart they are.

So they're entangled and they have instantaneous reactions no matter how far apart they are so it really helps starts to make you wonder like how this reality folds on top of itself to be entangled it's the same thing when you're like thinking about somebody and then they call you or you maybe it maybe you think you want to draw something into your life and you think about it and you kind of like oh you forget and then all of a sudden boom there it is it's like in other words there are connections between people or things that cannot be measured using the conventional measurements of science correct correct and that is such a consistent feature of the human experience like everyone knows what you're talking about. So the idea that you could have a society that denied that is by definition a foolish society, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. And I think you're right about people getting more sensitive to just the lies and the things going on.
I think that we are living in a world where we don't know what to trust anymore. We used to think you could watch a documentary and you were like, oh, my God, that's true.
Now you got to look at who paid for it. Yes.
You know, the news, as you well know, like what's true, what's not? You got in trouble for telling the truth. You know, it's it's it you don't know where you what you can trust.
And I think we're like entering this age where we have to learn how to trust our intuition and we have to we have to have critical thinking for ourselves we can't just be told we're not we need to stop with this read and repeat lifestyle and we have to have critical thinking so why but at the same time and of course i vehemently agree with you but the people in charge the u.s government even is more demanding that people just read the script why do you think that is because? Because then they're in power. I mean, it's just, it's much easier if you control the narrative for everything.
It's like school books. Like I questioned school and the efficacy of what's in the school books.
Like the winners write the stories and also the propaganda of, you know, the whole operation of it. I don't know.
I question school even. I don't think you're allowed to do that.
Yeah, I know, but I'm not smart sometimes. When did you leave school? 16.
I was 16 and I moved to England when I was 16. So you never graduated American high school? I got my GED.
Does that feel, looking back, like an advantage or a disadvantage? Oh, huge advantage. Like goodbye debt.
For either me or my parents. My parents would have been able to afford it.
They put my sister through seven years of school. So I would have had that luxury in my life.
But I'm i'm not sure yeah i'm not sure unless you're going to be a doctor or a lawyer the hardest question to answer is what you want to do with your life right that's actually the hardest question yes it is and once you know you can get on with it and having your own having experience and getting your hands dirty in it like there's nothing better than that. There's nothing better than the real experience than instead of going to school and flipping pages and partying on the weeks, weekends, weekdays.
Weekdays, yeah. And getting completely lost.
Getting lost. So you never went through that, obviously.
I never went through that, yeah. I mean, I described going to England when I was 16 as like my college.
but it sure partied and had fun, but I didn't go to school classically. Wow, and you see that as a huge advantage.
I agree with you. I definitely don't see it as a disadvantage.
I definitely don't. And, you know, while I, I mean, I will say there's some things, and maybe this is where politics scares me a little.
There's some general things about life and history that I'm not very good about, like not knowing when wars happened and all these details that I just didn't learn, nor was I that interested in. But I wasn't in school to absorb all of it.
And so there's some things like that that I don't know off the top of my head. But I got other life experiences and I applied myself in all the other areas that I was really interested in.
And I think that's the spark of life, right? To do things that you really love and to follow things and learn with what you want to learn about. And, you know, I feel like one of the things that I have thankfully learned in my life after racing was that the things that are meant for you will give you energy no matter how much how many hours it takes so as an example I would go to the racetrack and I'd have to do an autograph session for an hour at a anywhere you could imagine and it would be the most draining thing for me like just so exalted like hi how are you great thanks I have a nice day.
Oh, hello. How are you, kid? You know, like, and you just for an hour, it's just hello, goodbye.
Hello, goodbye. And it's small talk and it's less than small talk.
And then I remember one day in particular, I think I might've done two or three podcasts and they're each like an hour, hour and a half long in a day. And I got done and you'd think I'd be so exhausted because it's far harder to be the interviewer than the interviewee, even though I'm doing the talking because you're thinking.
And so I spent all day like critically thinking and paying attention and where do I want to take this interview? But I got done with my day and I felt like I was high. I was so energized that I was like, I needed to do something with the energy.
And I walked on the beach and I was like, oh my God, I'm just like, this is the most amazing day. But I spent six or seven hours in the chair being really focused.
But what I learned was that when you're doing things that are really meant for you and that feed your soul, it gives you energy. That is the truest thing.
So how did you, and the key as you said, is to figure out as young as you possibly can what the path is that you're designed for. Not that you're forcing yourself into, but that you were actually made to do.
How did you figure that out so young? Well, I mean, I got to try a lot of things, but I will say that while is what I did and I loved it, it wasn't always my passion. Like, I don't go back to it now.
I mean, I do some race broadcasting and things like that and, you know, I'll watch some races. But I don't go to the weekend.
I don't go to the racetrack on the weekends. I don't go try and find a car to jump in to drive.
I mean, I have my Lamborghini. I'll just drive that.
Yeah, your 200 mile an hour SUV. Exactly.
But I have other interests and other passions. So for me, I feel like now I'm finally getting to tap into those things where I'm really, really passionate about.
And one of them's truth, which is where I feel like I really relate to on that. So how alienating is that to people around you? That I...
Well, it's upsetting to people when you say things like a lot of what we've learned is not true and history is effectively propaganda. It's a version of the story, but it's not the whole story.
Things like that, which I think are self-evidently true, but that is not well-received sometimes. Well, I think you have to know your audience a little bit, right? Know your audience here and there.
Know your moments to hit it. But I have a lot of like-minded people around me.
But I'm totally fine if they're not. I love learning.
And if I change my mind, it means I learned something. So I also like spending time with people and listening to people talk about something that's a totally different perspective.
But I'd say in general, most of the people around me are of a like mind. They're also skeptical.
Have you been attacked? You said you were attacked online. Yeah.
Well, I was super surprised by how it went when I went to the Turning Point event and when I talked about loving my country and posting these pictures. And I went with my sister and it was just a fun few days.
And I was just really surprised that people could be so angry about, and I didn't even make a stance. I think everybody thinks it's basically a Trump rally.
Right. What is it about Trump that, I mean, I understand what it is about Trump that people don't like, obviously.
I get it. I know Trump and I like Trump.
He's hilarious and interesting. But I certainly understand why people don't like him, for sure.
It's very obvious. But what I don't understand is the hysteria and the brain shutting down and doing the opposite just for the sake of giving the finger to Trump.
I don't get that. So triggered.
What is that? I just, people are very triggered. But why? What is it about? Well, foundational, I think foundation, there are foundational things to our life, politics, religion.
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That's a very wise point. And I saw this with with the vax you know the people i knew who really thought about it or had strong feelings about the vax especially the ones who didn't want to take it wound up in places they never expected to be their views on a lot of other things changed i saw a lot of people whose politics completely changed just on that one issue Yeah, very much.
Did you notice that? Yeah. I mean, it was just a very divisive thing.
Yeah. It just got so insanely divisive.
And I think also kind of made things more confusing in a way that you'd think these people do these things and these people do those things. It was like it went from being like the group that was my body, my choice were the ones that were like, you got to do it.
And then so it got like it really actually made things made the made the corruption or the propaganda or the manipulation that was going on to become more obvious because things started to get very messy. Right.
Like immediate. Yeah.
You're like this this doesn't make sense we're all of a sudden i was having conversations with people who you know were lifelong liberals or a lot of black people who never voted republican in their lives big obama supporters all of a sudden all of a sudden i just realized wait we have a lot in common actually yeah, and then on the other side, people I'd been really close to and loved and still love. But they were absolutely on the other side of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was interesting. It was a realignment that was not along party lines at all.
Right. Exactly.
Yeah. At all.
Exactly. And I think it really showed how persuasive media propaganda and isolation can be.
Yeah mean, one of the things that can drive, like I think they've done back in the 50s and 60s, we're testing out things like sensory deprivation when you are put in a space with no sound, no visuals, no nothing. And that will drive people insane.
So now you do it on some level and you put people in a house they can't see anyone they can't do it and and and you're going to drive them insane where did you spend covid oh i had a very interesting start to covid um i was in peru yeah i think a lot of people started coping i was uh i was doing ayahuasca in peru for real yeah what was that like which part doing ayahuasca in peru where in peru a sacred valley and like yeah in a lodge was it worth doing of course because i love the truth Yeah so it showed me a lot about the truth about things that I needed to know how long about my last um well the experience lasts I don't know eight hours maybe did you go with somebody you trust um I went with if I went with Aaron and another couple and then there were shamans Wow. And so we got woke up in the middle of the night to the pilot saying, you've got to go home because they're closing the border by 10 a.m.
Were you still on ayahuasca when they did that? No way. So you're getting into a light plane with Aaron Rodgers on ayahuasca and being evacuated from the Sacred Valley in Peru.
With the shamans, yeah. If you were to rank your life by weirdness, that would be near the top, right? Oh, man, I'm losing credibility here.
Or gaining it. I don't know.
It's just the truth, you know? And so then I was in Malibu. Wait, wait, what was the plane ride like? Well, we did what's called integration on the plane.
What does that mean? Where you talk about your experience. On the plane? Yeah.
Not a huge plane, I imagine. I mean, it's big enough for eight or ten, twelve people, whatever.
It's a big enough plane. And then, yeah, flew back.
Flew back to Malibu, spent the first couple of months in Malibu, and then Indiana. So what did you learn from ayahuasca? Well, that I'm a very relationship kind of person.
Like I love relationship. And so I have this idea that someone's going to sort of complete me me and I realized that I was going to have to do it with myself.
Yes. Like that was the only way.
That no human being can fill that. Yeah.
That's profound and true. Yeah.
Yeah, but it was felt. So the difference is in those experiences, you feel it.
You don't just know it, you feel it. So you go from an awareness to an embodiment right where embodied is like you just embodies when something happens and you say um and it just is yes it just it's an isness you're like that's just it's just the truth that's the way it is yes and um as opposed to well i think they're i think they're doing this they're lying to us that like when you feel the lie and you've experienced it, it's just, this is the problem.
Well, it changes your behavior. Yeah.
So you get a really felt experience. Yes.
I've had that. Which is, I think, what makes it super powerful.
Very. And those are the ones that change your life.
Exactly. Yeah.
And I think there's a lot of judgment and curiosity around this stuff.

But again, I think this is one of those areas where the world is branching out a little bit and thinking outside of the box of where we've been and the way we do things. And I think it's a really powerful tool.
Did it change your relationships? I mean, once you realize that no other human being can complete you, as you said. Yeah.
I mean, that's got implications for how you relate to other people, right? Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I think that one of the big things that's happened that is sort of like a spinoff of it is just I just take less things personally and I get a little less triggered. And I understand that everybody is the way they are because of how they're brought up, their experiences.
And, you know, they're just they're seeing life through their own lens and to not feel like if somebody gets angry or does something to me that it's about me. You get a little out of that selfish position of like it's about me all the time.
It's not always about me. Everybody has things that they're going through and ways that they've been brought up and orientations and their own triggers.
And sometimes it's just nothing to do with me. There's a line that I can't exactly recall, but it's to the effect, if you knew what was happening, really happening with other people, you would judge them less.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So i feel like it gave me a little bit more like um patience and like empathy um for situations and and also one of the most important things is accountability so accountable for my own reality too like perception i believe is reality so the way that again this the sort of lens we look through like if you can either look at going bungee jumping as being the scariest thing on the planet or so exciting right so however you your perception on things so if i'm looking at a situation and it doesn't feel right doesn't look right it's like i just literally ask myself what is my part like what is my part in this perception that I have? Is it because I'm scared? Is it because I'm insecure? Is it because what is the thing that's driving my behavior? So it gave me a lot of accountability too. Was there any downside? Yeah, getting sick during it.
You get pretty sick, yeah. I mean, you can.
One night I did, one night I didn't. So, wow.
You've had quite a journey. Yeah.
What are you going to do with the rest of your life? Do you have a clear picture of it? No, I don't. I have ideas and dreams and I have companies and I have things that I do and I have visions for all of them, but my life changes in ways that I could never expect every couple of years.
So I'm sure that will continue to be the case. And I'm curious what you think about this, but I think part of that is because I choose to want to know the truth.
And when you do that, it implies that sometimes things change. And whether it's relationships or a job or where you live or your friends, sometimes things change.
And to be okay with that. And that I still choose truth and I choose myself over that every time.
I haven't heard you mention money or allude to it a single time or commercial enterprises or whatever. So clearly your main goal is not to amass as much as you can.
No. In fact, I'd like to spend it.
I'd like to spend it? it yeah i don't want to die with a whole bunch of money and why wouldn't i spend it i'd like to spend it what would you spend it on uh well right now i spend it on travel um uh having good people around me like i like to pay the people around me i like them to be happy um i spend it on building businesses because I enjoy and have passion for what it is that I'm selling. And so I have wines.
I have a couple of wines that I make. I have a little candle company.
So those are kind of what I put my money into. Why do you have a candle company? I went to Egypt and learned a lot about

aromatherapy and then decided to make some candles out of it. Do you enjoy it? Yeah, yeah, that's fun.
The wine is really great. It's such a passion of mine.
I love wine. And then I do speaking engagements and race broadcast hosting stuff, and I take a lot of vacations.
So, you know, I've always felt like, and this is from a young age, that if I do a good job at something, the money will just show up. Like if people believe in it, they like it, that the money will just be there.
And money's never been a motivating factor for me. It is merely a barometer.
That's how I see it. So I want to make money because it means that people like what I'm doing.

Right.

And they like me, but not because I want the money, but because it's an indication. It's an indication of the value of what I'm offering or what it inspires people.
So like with racing, I'm sure I offered value for my sponsors, but also the attention from fans that was then used to sell things by sponsors was because I was inspiring them. And they were paying attention to what I was doing and wanted to see more.
So I kind of see money as being a byproduct of doing a good job. So last question.
I'm sure you've thought about this, but if you, so you've said that your main goal in life going forward is to tell the truth, to find the truth and then to say it out loud. I feel like I have.
Have I not told you the truth? Yeah, you have. No, and I'm getting a truthful vibe.
I'm like, dang, Danica, what did you just say? No, no, no. I don't think any of it.
Don't hit me too hard here. No, no, no.
Not at all. I don't think any of it objectively is offensive at all.
The truth is never offensive, but it does offend because it's true. Right? Right.
Right. Because it makes people uncomfortable because either because they would never do it.
Like there's a quick little hack that I learned a long time ago. Like what we what we judge is what we deny.
So if you judge something and someone is probably because you deny yourself that. Like for me, I always use the example of laziness.
Like I always judge lazy people because I would deny myself rest every day. And so, you know, it triggers people and usually they deny themselves the things that they're judging.
Smart. But I mean, the truth is just inherently divisive.
I guess that's what I'm saying. And you think it unites, but it doesn't.
It breaks in half. And so, which is sad, but it's the nature of the world, of the spiritual world.
Are you ready for that? Like, there will be consequences. And I'm not even talking about politics.
I just mean the truth about anything will cause people to hate you. Yeah.
Yep, I'm totally, totally ready. You're not bothered by that.
I think I've spent, like I had a good grooming session by being a girl race car driver for so long. And people being triggered by that and, you know, chauvinism or just people that weren't open-minded to it and didn't like that idea.
And so I feel like I've been practicing to be strong like that my whole life. And you're so right when you tell the truth, you just really don't get bothered.
It just is what it is. It's business, right? Well, it makes you strong inside.
Yeah, exactly. It makes you strong inside.
And what you said at AmFest was just so powerful and a message that we all need to hear and we're not always all going to agree on things but when you live in your own truth you can be less triggered you can be more calm and peaceful you can be happier and you can be stronger and more solid inside of yourself which is I think just we always want to figure out how Yes. When we're choosing a president, it's so that we can live in a world that makes us happier, right? When we're choosing a partner, we're choosing someone that would hopefully make us happier.
So the happiest thing you can do is just to be honest, right? All the time. Yeah.
Danica Patrick, thank you. Thank you, Tucker.
That was not what I expected. I appreciate it.

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