Bonus Episode | Glenn Beck and Whittney Webb

In addition to being an old friend of ours, Glenn Beck is one of the most creative people in all of media, and that includes independent media, where he now works.

So it naturally follows that he produces an awesome podcast, which you should definitely check out.

Here's a sample, and if you of the details don't add up and there's so many stories now that just don't add up. Jeffrey Epstein infiltrated the highest ranks of every sector of power.
You are going to learn a lot about the world today. He was into law enforcement, art, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, big business, real estate, philanthropy, media, academics, and banking.
He even wormed his way into high fashion. He hung out with Nobel Prize winning scientists and billionaire arms dealers, movie directors, famous actors, journalists, and lots of politicians, including heads of state, not just here in America.
And he has a very special bond with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

We still don't know who took part in his many crimes, and they are vast. This is nothing short of political terrorism, theater facilitated by the media.
today's guest as you hear, I just finished it and you will hear halfway through, I say, maybe it's halfway through, I said, I think this is the most important hour I have ever been a part of in broadcast. Today's guest has a gift for locating power and hunting it in its darkest corners, a web of elites who operate under the principle that rules are for other people.
Her two-volume book, One Nation Under Blackmail, the sordid union between intelligence and crime that gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein, is out. Keep your eye on this one.
She is

sharp. She is a massive threat to powerful people.
If people will listen and do their own homework

and just explore what she's saying, the game is up. Please welcome Whitney Webb.

Welcome. I am a huge fan of your work.
you have covered some of the most important stories, I think, in my lifetime. Wow, thank you.
And you are so clear on all of them. And most of these stories are the ones you can't get answers on.
They're all the stories that the big and powerful want to hide, want you to not see what's really going on. And it's so frustrating because it's clear that these things are happening and should be discussed.
Are you worried ever about your safety? No. And the reason I say that is because I think, you know, a lot of what we're facing is an energetic and spiritual battle, I guess you could say.
And I think in order, you know, if you're afraid of these people, you're giving them power over you. And I think really the only way to win this is to have your commitment to, you know, what you're fighting for, the good about humanity to be total.
Okay. So I want to talk to you, if we can, in an hour.
I want to mention Bitcoin, get a little bit of that. Journalism, transhumanism, ESG, the World Economic Forum.
We're not going to be able to get to all of it, but we have to start with Jeffrey Epstein. Because the way you have written about him, it connects to a whole world of corruption.
Yeah. Is he kind of the Rosetta Stone? Yeah, I think it's sort of like a meta scandal.
You're looking at someone who really had, I guess, for lack of a better metaphor, had his hands in a lot of pies. Yeah, right.
So he was sort of at the center of a lot of scandals, but not necessarily at the top. Right.
I think he was more maybe middle management in a sense, but very central to a lot of these things going on that sort of these networks in which he in which he inhabits are involved in, acts of corruption simultaneously. He was there involved in many of them, but not necessarily at the top level.
Right. So was he was he a spy? I think he definitely had intelligence connections.
And there's a lot to suggest that was the case. I think one of the most the earliest hints we heard of that was having a secretary of labor, Alex Acosta, under Trump, say that one of the reasons he was pressured into giving Epstein a sweetheart deal during his first arrest in Florida was because he had been told by unspecified actors that Epstein belonged to intelligence.
But that's kind of, you know, what exactly does that mean? Was he an asset? Was he on the payroll? Which intelligence agency? Multiple intelligence agencies. When you have his close association with someone like Ghislaine Maxwell in the mix and her father had affiliations with numerous intelligence agencies, you know, it really is an open question.
He was kind of a bad guy. I mean, I'm reading your work about him and explain who he was.
So Robert Maxwell was involved in many things, but he definitely played a major role in undermining U.S. national security by selling bug software to nuclear laboratories in the United States.
And this was directly facilitated by well-known statesmen in U.S. history like Henry Kissinger, for example.
And a lot of the people I think that

enabled him, at least on the U.S. side, tend to be those that favor global governance.
And, you know, they kind of don't want the U.S. to have that kind of monopoly on power.
Because all of his family, they were killed in the Holocaust, right? Right. And so he's in the West, England.

He survives, becomes kind of William Randolph Hearst of England. Yeah, I mean, Logo, sure.
And then betrays the West. And that's not because he was on the other.
He wasn't on the Soviet side. He was on a global government side.
Well, I think there you have to look at this network and they've evolved over time. Right.
Robert Maxwell is very close to the Eastern Bloc. He had a very close relationship with intelligence figures in the KGB and also Bulgaria.
He had a relationship with British intelligence and Israeli intelligence and was involved in aspects of what later became known as Iran Contra, which, course involves aspects of U.S. intelligence.
So, I mean, he had his hands in, you know, everywhere and everything. And I think ultimately people like him are interested in any deal they can make to advance their money and their power and their influence, they'll take it.
So Robert Maxwell was very interested in having his family be like the Kennedy family,

a political power dynasty. And that's part of why he started moving into New York City around, you know, just a year or two before he ended up dying.
And Ghislaine Maxwell was sent to New York sort of to be his emissary. Was she part and parcel of from the beginning or was she, you know kind kind of a good girl, idealistic, comes over here, you know, knows that dad wants to put her into powerful positions, but not shopping women? I think it's a lot more complicated than that.
You have to look at her early history. The favorite son of Robert Maxwell was originally Michael Maxwell.
He was in a vegetative state after a car crash, I think, when he was 15. And that happened shortly after, just a few days after Ghislaine was born.

So her family members and she herself have attested to that.

She was basically neglected for the first three years of her life and even developed childhood anorexia, things like that. And then, you know, a few years after, she becomes the favorite child.

So she goes from having this complete lack of parental attention to being sort of showered in it by Robert Maxwell. And that obviously has going to have a psychological impact on someone.
And in addition, there's she was basically managed by her father from a very early age. He managed her, tried to manage her romantic life.
He tried to manage what job she would have, and she was very dependent on him. So when he is dead in 1991, it makes sense that she would attach herself to someone with a lot of the similar characteristics, right? So dad didn't know about Jeffrey Epstein wasn't alive at that point? Well, the allegation have been made by people that worked with Robert Maxwell in the 80s that Jeffrey Epstein was seen in his offices frequently in the United Kingdom.
And during that period of time, it was known that Epstein was active in the United Kingdom. He was allegedly being mentored by a British arms dealer named Douglas Lease with British intelligence connections.
This goes to the deep state or you call it deep politics. And it's been going on for a long time, but people, I don't think, realize that, you know, the Bourne identity, you know, those Jason Bourne movies, that that is a reflection of some people's real lives.
I mean, it's a it's a totally fictitious story, but those things do go on. And I tell you, I have felt for a long time with the, just with the NSA, listening to everybody's phone calls, if you're important in Washington, they're going to do everything they can.
To manage you. To manage you.
Yeah. So if you're not rock solid in who you are and what right and wrong really is, they got you.
Yeah. But even they don't, you know, today, I think we've moved away from the type of model that Epstein used for sexual blackmail.
It's an era of electronic blackmail. And you don't even have to do anything wrong.
They can just plant it on your devices and play gotcha that way. So it's really an unprecedented situation.
And a lot of these intelligence agencies, as I note in the book, you know, really for decades have been totally out of control. And, you know, I really start off the book talking about how intelligence agencies and organized crime in the U.S.
got in bed together and really that symbiosis.

You know, it was originally justified out of wartime necessity during World War II.

Fighting the Nazis.

Yeah, but it never stopped, right?

Right.

And it's, you know, business is business.

And some of these people in our own national security state, you know, realized they could make a lot of money working with organized crime and really shielding them and getting in on the spoils, I guess you could say.

Are we ever going to find out who's in the Black Book?

I don't think so. I think the FBI has been compromised from the very beginning.
In the book, I talk a lot about J. Edgar Hoover.
He was blackmailed by the mob. He realized the power blackmail had, started using blackmail himself.
And, you know, increasingly the FBI, and I think it's very obvious to a lot of conservatives now, comes in to cover things up and to, you know, go after, you know, figures that they, you know, don't want to advance in their careers or, you know, any sort of thing. It's very complicated.
So what do we do as a country when, you know, there needs to be massive investigations of all sorts of stuff, Jeffrey Epstein being one. And, you know, the government is increasingly incapable of investigating itself, especially when you're looking at the FBI or something.
Can we go through some names like Alan Dershowitz and Bill Clinton and Donald Trump? What were they involved in? So and so each of those cases is really different. But if I'm looking at, you know, I guess the one that's gotten the most attention, obviously, are the former presidents, right, Trump and Clinton.
As far as I'm concerned, the Clinton-Epstein relationship is much more damaging than the Trump-Epstein relationship. But there are obvious reasons for concern in both of them.
And I don't think it's, you know, in trying to be objective, you know, I can't absolve one or the other. But are you saying one is more damaging? Because people don't understand.
It's not just the horrific evil sex trafficking that was going on. It's also massive corruption and financial crimes.
And that's particularly glaring with the Epstein-Clinton relationship. You have someone like Jeffrey Epstein that described himself in the 80s as a financial bounty hunter.
He was hiding or finding looted money for powerful people. That's coming from him.
And he said this to numerous people. There's numerous sources attesting to this.
So obviously he was very comfortable with the offshore financial system, shadow banking and all of that. And then in the late 80s, in addition to becoming involved with Leslie Wexner's finances, he is involved in orchestrating one of the largest Ponzi schemes in U.S.
history. The other person he worked with in that, Stephen Hoffenberg, you know, is arrested and goes to jail for that in 1993.
Epstein's name is dropped from the case and he ends up at Clinton White House fundraisers. And one of those fundraisers is involved Hillary Clinton's effort to, alleged effort to refurbish the White House.
And this makes a brief appearance in Vince Foster's quote unquote suicide note. The only mention of Hillary Clinton in that suicide note is relating to her and Kaki Hawkersmith redecorating and how there was nothing wrong with the finances there.
If you're, you know, listeners are familiar with the Vince Foster situation and how Hillary Clinton, her office was involved in finding the suicide note when there was nothing in the briefcase and all of that later.

It's very interesting.

The only mention of her name would be in trying to absolve that particular fundraiser of, you know,

any wrongdoing, which would have been Foster's responsibility.

And that's Jeffrey Epstein's, you know, one of his first interactions with the White House. There's a picture of him shaking hands with Bill Clinton at that fundraiser donor reception.

And only UK media covered that when it came out last December.

I got to tell you, it's pretty stunning.

I only see stuff that I kind of trust from UK now.

I read any there's any scandal going on in America.

I trust the foreign press more than I trust our.

Well, isn't it stunning that there's a picture of, you know, the claim has been for a long time that the Epstein-Clinton relationship only really began after Clinton left office. Yeah.
And then you have a picture contributing that, and it doesn't get any coverage. How much of what we think we know is wrong, or how big of a role is what we think we know to what really is happening? Well, I think there's been a major effort to control the media and how much information gets to the American public about all sorts of things.
If you look at the Epstein case, you're only allowed to talk about his sex crimes from 2000 to 2006. Don't look at his financial crimes or any of the thing he did before the year 2000 is, you know, pretty much how mainstream media handles the case.

And that's pretty, you know, there's a lot to find if you go back farther.

So when you're looking, let's just look at Epstein for a second.

When you're looking at his circle of influence, he is somebody who's kind of recruiting,

just getting people on tape doing horrible things or raising money so they're in the pocket, right? Is that kind of his role? I think that's part of it. But at the same time, you know, he's doing a lot of that.
He's also involved in financial, you know, financial crimes pretty much throughout his career. I mean, that's the common thread from Epstein from the 70s until his second race.
But they would know that. If he was working as an operation, that would kind of be overlooked.

I mean, even in January 2020, you have John McCain's wife, Cindy McCain, saying,

we all knew what Epstein was doing.

Right.

And this is the wife of a senator with no direct connection to the Epstein scandal.

So that means top people in our Congress and Senate knew what Epstein was up to and nothing was done. And so does that, I mean, is there a big body count? Around Epstein? Yeah.
I think, yeah, I think there is to an extent. Mark Middleton, who I just mentioned, was found hung by the neck by an extension cord in May with a shotgun wound to the chest.
And it was ruled a suicide in Little Rock, Arkansas. And a local court ruled pretty shortly thereafter that no video or photos of the scene could be publicly released.
And this was only after Mark Middleton had been involved in Chinagate and numerous other scandals, but that only happened just a few months after the visitor logs of him meeting with Epstein was released last December and published by the UK's Daily Mail. So that's one.
That's one recently. You also have Jean-Luc Brunel, who was a major facilitator of his sex trafficking activities, particularly when it came to the modeling industry, turned up dead in his prison cell.
you have Epstein himself. And then you have the son of Esther Salas, who was the judge overseeing

the Epstein himself. And then you have the son of Esther Salas, who was the judge overseeing the Epstein Deutsche Bank case, murdered at her home.
Let's not just gloss over Epstein and his death. Do you believe he hung himself? I think the official story is just, I mean, it's crazy, personally, because, you know, he was a tall guy.
He's supposed to have hung himself from something that's shorter than his standing height with, like, paper-thin sheets. He would have had to curl up in the fetal position to hang himself, and he's, you know...
You're not going to do that. It's very...
It's logistically impossible. We're supposed to leave all the cameras malfunctioned that night.
You know, the prison guards were asleep. It's a lot of coincidences.
So who would we have to believe? I mean, that would have to involve lots of government. Lots of government.
But he belonged to intelligence. And if you look at, you know, someone like Robert Maxwell, he died off of his yacht.
He had a lot of ties to intelligence. Things were, you know, the walls were closing in on him.
And his own daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell, thinks he was murdered by rogue Mossad agents and Sicilian contract hitmen. And that's coming straight from his daughter that worked closely with him.
So if you, you know, if things get too hot, if you, you know, maybe work did work for them in the past, but you become, you know, more of a liability than an asset, you know, things sometimes happen. How does this involve the regular person? Why should the regular person care about this kind of corruption? In just talking about Epstein, the financial crimes there are very significant and are just sort of a microcosm of what has basically been the looting of the American public for decades.
You look at people like Katherine Austin Fitz and Mark Skidmore, who have calculated about $21 trillion of U.S. taxpayer money.
That's just gone missing from the House of Urban Development and the Department of Defense. Right.
It's probably more than that. Where is it being? Where'd it go? Where'd it go? Yeah.
Who took it? I remember. And it's still happening.
And now we're having the standard of life in the U.S. being degraded, inflation's increasing, the squeeze is on thanks to manufactured food and energy crises.
And I think a lot of the stuff we're seeing being built for us, people are currently perhaps unwilling to accept. But when they're cold and hungry and desperate, you're exactly right.
I think that some people will be more willing. So let me, you know, I first ran into you and your work.
I don't remember where I saw you, but you were talking about transhumanism. And this is something that, again, I think I was talking about this in the 90s and saying.
It's been going on a long time. A long, long time.
And saying that this is what life is going to head towards. And it's not good.
And we should probably have a conversation now.

You know, we are on the verge of this.

This is happening.

It could happen.

Faster than ever.

Yeah, it could happen 20, 25, 30, 35.

It's here now.

Yeah.

Explain what transhumanism is and why it is so dangerous. Yeah, so I'll just probably start with the history of it.
So there was a man named Julian Huxley. He's the brother of the famous author Aldous Huxley.
He was president of the British Eugenics Society. The United Nations is created after World War II.
He is put in charge of UNESCO. In writing his vision for UNESCO, Julian Huxley says about eugenics, we need to make the unthinkable thinkable again.
Ten years later, he coins the term transhumanism in a book called... Did he read his brother's work? I'm sure, actually, that Aldous Huxley's work was influenced by the type of social milieu he inhabited, which would include his brother.
And, you know, sort of that those intellectual circles where both of them grew up. Right.
Now, this is the British aristocracy and really a lot of the idea of eugenics going back to Francis Galton and, you know, Darwinism and all of that. It seems to sort of emanate from from there.
Fabian socialists and all of that. Yes.
So in a book in 1957, I believe, called New Bottles for New Wine, something like that, Julian Huxley coins the terms transhumanism and talks about how the new eugenics is going to be merging man with machine. So this is basically eugenics rebranded.
And a lot of people that funded eugenics causes of the past, like the Rockefeller family, are big proponents of transhumanism today. And it's getting increasingly problematic.
I would say, if you look, for example, at the new head of the FDA, who very few people have bothered to look into, Robert Califf. He's a former Google Health executive.
Google Health has a joint venture with GlaxoSmithKline called Galvani Bioelectronics. I think the former head of that was Monsef Salawi, who was in charge of Operation Warp Speed.
And their focus is what they call bioelectronic medicine, which is injectable nanotechnology that can manipulate your central nervous system. What are the implications of that? We have the person that just purchased Twitter making a brain chip company.
He's also a major contractor to the U.S. military.
He has a major conflict of interest with Chinese Silicon Valley equivalents like Tencent. And, you know.
He says, and I love this, he says, that's one of the reasons why I want to get off the planet. He says his work is to find a way to, A, compete against the transhumanistic, you know, folly.
You don't believe that at all? I don't. I don't buy it.
No. If you look at that company, they had animal trials.
Many of the monkeys that was tested and died after the brain chip was put in. If that were my company, I would reformulate everything or shut it down if it was going to kill that many animals.
But it's already moved into human trials. I mean, even though it's killing all the monkeys, it killed many monkeys.
Yeah, I forget the exact number, but a significant portion. It's this is where it gets frightening.
Well, it's tied up with depopulation, right? You have this being sort of the new path of eugenics. And so, you know, I don't think these people ultimately care about, you know, how many people are left.

You're so smart and right.

Well, eugenics is—

Thank you.

I mean, well, people like to act like eugenics disappeared, and it hasn't.

It's just rebranded.

And if you look at the history, it's very clear, and it's very disconcerting.

I talked to Ray Kurzweil once, and I said, you put the nanotechnology—just tell me out here, Ray.

I'm a science fiction writer. You put the nanotechnology into me, and you control it.
Not me. You control it.
And I start speaking out about things that you and the powerful don't like. Why don't you just turn me off? Why don't you just, oh, you know what? And all that nanotechnology and i just die sure and his response was because we wouldn't do that yeah let's trust us how has that gone for the you know past hundred years or so right and if organized crime are the people in charge are you going to trust them i mean in the grand scheme of uh where we've all upgraded, we're all part of the internet.
Upgraded. Yeah, I know.
I don't think that's the intention. That's how they're selling it to people.
If you look at this, for example, the British Eugenics Society, where a lot of this came from, you look at someone like H.G. Wells, best known as a science fiction writer, but also a vowed eugenicist.
He predicted that in 100 to 200 years, there would be two human races. There would be the upgraded, augmented elite who were intellectual and attractive and were the ones that did everything.
And then a dwarf-like, troll-like, squat, underclass that eats bugs. and uh you know, for people that have been paying attention, it seems like, you know, they're selling this as one way.
It's all going to be a utopian thing if we all upgrade. I mean, that's how it's being framed, right? But if you look at how these people think, they don't want that.
They're looking at feudalism. And how do you create a class of slaves that cannot even cognitively rebel ever again?