Author Jeremy Carl explains why some people are scared to talk about anti-white racism.

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If somehow you were able to be airlifted directly or teleported directly from 1994 to 2024, you'd notice an awful lot of changes. Primary among them would be the internet.
But the biggest change you probably meant notice about our public conversation is how white people were so openly attacked and denigrated. Yes, a racial group.
So in 1994, you were about 30 years past the civil rights movement. And in 1994, the operating assumption of virtually everyone in the United States was the main lesson of the civil rights movement, of the letter from the Birmingham jail and the Edmund Pettus Bridge and all the different sacred moments that we grew up hearing about.
The main lesson of those moments was it is immoral, in fact, unacceptable to attack people on the basis of their race. So then if you fast forwarded 30 years to find the same country engaged in a public hate frenzy against people because of their race, you would find that bewildering.
How did this happen? Of course, there would be the discrimination, the institutional racism of hurting people on the basis of their race in hiring, in admissions to schools, in federal contracting, in promotions. There would be all of that.
But there would also be the public manifestation of it, of out loud we just don't like you you're not as good you are morally defective because of your skin color you say this about white people people who founded the united states you'd be shocked by that and then to turn on the tv and see the president of the united states do the very same thing you'd think maybe you'd been drinking ayahuasca you'd see joe Joe Biden say things like this. History has thrust one more urgent task on us.
Will we be the generation that finally wipes out the stain of racism from our national character? We've all seen the knee of injustice on the neck of black Americans. Racism, nativism, fear, demonization have long torn us apart.
But a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child when you're walking down the street, don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street. Domestic terrorism from white supremacists is the most lethal terrorist threat in the homeland.
If I were your daughter, what advice would you give me the next time I am stopped by the police? If you were my daughter, you'd be a Caucasian girl and you wouldn't be pulled over. White supremacy is the most lethal threat to the United States.
White people are the threat. They are evil and they are dangerous.
That's not just a senile president making that one statement. That is the people in charge of the country reinforcing that statement and that theme every single day of the year, not just by their words, but with their deeds.
What is this? Why does no one mention it's happening? Why does anyone who does mention it's happening get attacked as a white supremacist for complaining

about racism?

And maybe more important, where does it go?

Is there any other ending to the story but hurting people physically?

Lots of people.

Could we have a resolution that doesn't look like Rwanda?

Jeremy Carl is an author who's thought a lot about this.

He's got a brand new book called The Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart. He joins us now.
Jeremy, thanks so much for coming on. Thanks so much for having me, Tucker.
It may be an advantage or maybe a disadvantage of being a little bit older that this is like the one thing you never thought or I never thought you would see in America, which is our leaders openly attacking people on the basis of their race just 60 years after the civil rights movement that supposedly taught us the opposite lesson in the Civil Rights Act. So how did this happen, do you think? Well, it's an interesting question, right? And I think you just hit on a key point, which is 60 years.
We're as far now from the Civil Rights Act as they were basically from the Wright brothers. So there's been a lot of time that's kind of got a lot of water under the bridge since that time.
And a lot of things have happened. And I think it was begun with very sincere intentions.
But I think rather quickly, certainly 10, 20, 30 years down the line, it got really hijacked to the point that we went from trying to treat people equally to what has eventually amounted to reverse racism. Right.
Or just, I guess I would just call it racism because it seems like the standard would remain the same no matter the race of the person being discriminated against. You can't attack people.
You can't punish people for the color of their skin, for how they were born. So that seems like a pretty easy principle to uphold.
It's pretty straightforward. Well, I would agree with you, Tucker, but nonetheless, we're really seeing throughout, and this is what I really wrote the book about, throughout many different areas of endeavor and whether that be when we're looking at how crime gets talked about, to what's going on in Hollywood, to the educational system and monuments coming down and everything you could imagine, kind of the white person is kind of the great enemy.
It's the kind of the evil guy in 1984, the kind of two minutes of hate we have to have against him. The Emanuel Goldstein figure kind of is the white person and particularly the democratic party's discourse today what's interesting though is it typically when you see these moments of scapegoating which are clearly you know kind of inherent to people i mean they pop up in every society at every time through history like there's something in people that wants to separate a small group and like blame all its problems in that group.
But it's usually it's the minority, of course, you know, the persecuted minority. Whites are still for at least as of today, probably change soon, of course, but they're still the majority in the country.
So have you ever seen anything like that happen? You know, I haven't, Tucker. It's it's kind of amazing to watch because this is whites are still a 58 percent majority.
It's no longer a majority of the under 18, but of adults, it's still a solid majority. It's a super majority of our voters still in every presidential election, although just barely in the last presidential election.
And yet they've become this figure of hate. And it's really been kind of fascinating and disturbing to watch and to kind of think about why that happened.
And one of the things I suggest in my book is that really, ultimately, this is a legitimizing ideology for ultimately resource transfer and resource confiscation. And that takes the form of some of this reparations conversation or land back or some of these other things and they sort of start out on the extreme left and everybody goes, oh, well, that's silly.
That's never going to happen. And then all of a sudden, you know, it is happening and you're a racist if you think it's a bad idea.
Yeah, I mean, of course, it's happened and it's still happening in other countries. You know, Rhodesia became Zimbabwe and the whites were killed and their land was taken and their money stolen.
And it's happening in South Africa right now, of course, we're not supposed to look at it, but it is happening, actually. I wonder why the majority is putting up with it.
Well, that's a good question, Tucker, and I can't even fully, I don't have a perfect answer for that myself. And ultimately, one of the main reasons I wrote this book is because I don't think anybody should be putting up with it, regardless of race.
I mean, we shouldn't have- I agree. We shouldn't be putting up with racial discrimination in our society in 2024.
But I think, you know, kind of white people, they're almost, it's like a Stockholm syndrome almost, where they're like in a hostage mode in terms of some of the ways that they're thinking, where they sort of are in love with their captors and they're not able to kind of accept what's going on. And particularly on the left, it's this

sort of notion that because we, of course, like every nation have had an imperfect past,

that white people have some hereditary blood guilt. And I think the balance of American history

just shows that that's a really myopic and childish way to look at our history in our country.

Well, it's demonstrably absurd if america is so racist if systemic racism is such a barrier then why are non-white people moving here by the millions so obviously that's silly but it's a little weird to say that you know you hate whites but you need to live in a country founded by whites whose systems are Anglo systems. Like, I mean, maybe I'm being too logical here, but it doesn't make any sense.
No, it doesn't. And I mean, it sort of, it points to some of the absurdity here.
And you also touched that, of course, people from all sorts of different backgrounds are clamoring at the door. We're right now dealing with this, of course, with legal immigration.
And even if you look at some of these groups, and again, something I discuss in the book, there are all sorts of non-white ethnicities in this country among immigrants and among citizens, in which particularly among Asian American groups, but not exclusively. I mean, if you were to even look at Nigerian Americans or particularly Igbo Americans, for example, they would have an average higher income than the average white American.
And so this kind of notion that whites are sort of on the top is really a selective editing of any story, no matter how true, that belies that or any statistics that belie that. It's one of the reasons you actually see Asian Americans frequently eliminated from these comparison sets when they're talked about because it doesn't tell the story that the left wants to tell.
Well, it's just a lie. I mean, the Labor Department collects these stats.
And you could say, well, maybe they're fake stats. Tell me how they're fake.
But they've been, this trend has been going on a long time. I don't know if native-born whites are in the top 10 for income, actually, groups, but they're not near the top of the top 10, that's for sure.
I've seen the numbers. I just saw them.
So you're lying if you say that. So there's that.
But again, I want to get back to the core question, which is why would anybody put up with this? If this were happening to people from Madagascar, I would be as against it as I am now. But it's particularly weird that the people whose ancestors founded the country are putting up with it.
I hear all the time, young people say, well, I can't really get a job. I have no expectation working in a big company because I'm a white male.
It's like, why would you accept that? If you're 22, what did you do to deserve that? And what does it say about your country that it's doing it to you? Why do people put up with that for a second? I agree, Tucker. I mean, and I wrote this book because I didn't understand that either.
And what I, the only thing I can come up with, they're not the only thing, but the leading kind of hypothesis I can have is that a lot of people have kind of been so brainwashed by a lot of the propaganda from the left that they're just simply not aware of some of the realities here. And so what I've tried to do in the book is just to detail the enormous number of ways throughout many, many different areas of endeavor right now where whites are being discriminated against and to say, hey, guys, we shouldn't be putting up with this.
Why are we putting up with this? We certainly wouldn't put up with it if any other group were being discriminated against in this way. So why do we not have the self-respect to kind of stand up for ourselves well i couldn't agree more and it's not that we wouldn't be putting up with it if any other group was being discriminated against that other group would not be putting up with it and you see that and there are groups who just won't put up with it and i say that with admiration because why would anyone put up with racism especially since anti-racism being against racism is our state religion? path to resolution.
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So, I mean, how paradoxical that in a country where the one thing you can't be is racist, that anti-white racism is enshrined in law, custom, and culture, and no one mentions it. I agree.
It's mysterious. And I think one of the encouraging things is when I started to write this book a couple years ago, and when I started even more thinking about writing this book a few years before that, a lot of this stuff felt very taboo to even mention, even though it's obviously, as you just noted, it's obviously self-evidently true, and therefore it shouldn't be taboo at all.
And I think one of the encouraging things is that we're beginning to see people, and you've really been a stalwart on this, but there have been other folks in the media environment, folks like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk, and there have been politicians, guys like J.D. Vance, who are kind of now speaking up, and they aren't just saying like, hey, it's fine.
You know, you can just go discriminate against white people, and that's fine. We're not going to say anything say anything or we're going to be too cat.
We're going to be too intimidated. I've really seen an improvement in the dialogue just in the time even I've been writing this book.
But at the same time, there's still a long way to go before we really kind of reach a point where we can have a candid conversation about this stuff that is actually based on reality rather than a left-wing fantasy i guess what what bothers me a little bit is that you know the justification for hurting whites has always been effectively a species of the reparations argument like you know whites have hurt other people therefore it's their turn in the barrel or something like that you need to make make up for something that your ancestors did, I guess. But that, I guess, kind of works sort of maybe if you're talking about the majority.
But the second whites are no longer in the majority, and that's going to happen very, very soon, maybe already has happened. We don't know because we don't know the real population numbers because of illegal immigration, but we're right on the edge of the whites not being the majority like at that point do whites get to say well now i want you know some advantage in college admissions now i want my kids to go to harvard for free and i want government contracts in a preferential way like what happens then or does the anti-white hate just get louder well that's the concern and concern.
And I think one of the things, again, I talk about in the book is we are essentially moving, as you just alluded to, to what is effectively a post-white America. Now, how quickly we get that depends on whether Joe Biden ever decides that he's going to shut the border and whether the Republicans are ever actually going to do anything if he continues to refuse to.
But we're headed in that direction. And so then the question becomes, when you look at the history of multi-ethnic countries where you have unequal resource distribution and whatever else, that is a recipe historically, not in every case, but in many, many cases for violence.
and so that should be of great concern to us. And again, I'm not sort of, I didn't write this book with the notion that, hey, you know, we just are writing this for white people and white people should be the only one caring about it.
Every American who is interested in living in what is going to be a multi-ethnic country that gives hopefully equal rights to everybody should be concerned about this issue. Because if we don't treat a very large group fairly, then there are going to be some people who are just saying, you know, I'm not going to put up with that.
And who knows where that leads, but not anywhere good, I wouldn't think. Well, and you already see it at the margins.
You know, you don't want people to be radicalized. You don't want people to have to be radicalized along racial lines because they're irresolvable.
Opinions change. Skin color doesn't.
So if we have any kind of race conflict, it can go on for many generations and has, of course. But I think about South Africa, which in 1994, when it was handed voluntarily to the ANC, had nuclear weapons.
And now parts of the country don't have consistent electricity. So the ANC has totally destroyed the country.
It's a black party. And yet they're still blaming whites, the small minority of South Africans who are whites for all the problems.
And so you're thinking, well, if that's the future here, that's very grim, I think. absolutely and i i'm not uh i'm not so dot i don't think fortunately where things are so dire here that we're likely to wind up in a south african situation not where they can't even keep the power on but i do worry that we may be brazilianizing our society where you essentially have a few people kind of at the very top living with guards, kind of under a lot of security, and things are maybe kind of good for them, and everybody else is sort of in a much worse sort of situation.
And you kind of have certain types of very polarizing racial politics beginning even to emerge in Brazil as well. So I think, you know, I'm not worried that we're going to turn into South Africa tomorrow because of that.
But given America and given our history and traditions and the great beacon of freedom and opportunity that we've been for everybody, to even take a step in that direction is just something that we should do everything that we can to hopefully avoid. Yeah.
I mean, I should say about Brazil, you know, Brazil's had a pretty pyramid-shaped economic system for a long time, and I don't think that's a good thing. You want a middle class.
But Brazil has not had, Brazil's a multiracial society, like way more than the United States. A lot of people from different ethnic groups, okay, who intermarry and always have for hundreds of years.
They haven't had until pretty recently, like the last 10 years, hardcore American style race politics. These have been economic arguments, which I think are fine to have because your economic system can be changed with one piece of legislation.
Your race can never be changed. So I don't understand the difference ideologically between just ideologically, leaving aside resources and history and all that stuff, but like the ideas

of like the Barack Obama Democratic Party seem identical to the ideas of the ANC or Malema in South Africa. Is there a difference that you see? Well, I don't think there is.
I mean, okay, I mean, we're not yet at the kind of kill the boar chant level of overt racism in South Africa that they have, although we're kind of heading maybe in that direction. There was a book last year on Amazon.
It was a bestseller. It was like eliminate whites I mean that was the name of the book written by some Indian guy what?

it's it's

yeah it's, yeah, it's, it's crazy. And, um, I think we, it's certainly, there's a lot of concern that we should have about the situation that we're in right now.
Um, but I'm not, uh, necessarily of the view that, that it's going to be quite as bleak as it currently is in South Africa. But what I do see is that some of this rhetoric is just incredibly toxic from the Democrats, that the direction that they would like to go is really of a sort of racial caste system, and that what we're going to kind of do as a result of that is going to be something that would

be very, very bleak for every American, but certainly for white Americans most of all.

And again, we've got to start calling them out on this because until, you know, if we

are letting them get away with these sorts of lies of kind of police racially targeting

African Americans and kind of of you know america's

history is nothing but violence and racism then uh it's going to be very very bleak in terms of

what things are going to look like in the future of this country do you and my last question do

since i know you've thought about this more deeply than anyone probably do you see this

accelerating or do you foresee i'm saying prayers for this a future we're not like talking about