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Victor, let's get, we'll kick this off with Lee Zeldin.

And I'm reading from

a piece in UN1, a great website, UNWON, titled Trump's EPA: Moving to End Federal Regulation of Greenhouse Gases.

And here's the first few lines from the story.

In one of the most sweeping deregulatory actions in U.S.

history, the Trump administration is set to end the federal government's authority to regulate carbon dioxide, methane, and other greenhouse gases.

On Tuesday, this would have been about 10 days ago from when this podcast is up, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin announced plans to repeal the EPA's 2009 endangerment finding, revoking the agency's power to regulate six greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act.

This would also end the Biden-Harris administration's electric vehicle mandate.

If finalized, today's announcement would amount to the largest deregulatory action in the history of the United States, Zeldin said.

Viva Lee Zeldin, what do you think, Victor?

I think he's thinking of Europe and Europe's collective suicide.

And what he's basically saying, the subtext is

that China is producing somewhere between 20 and 30 new

dirty coal, bituminous coal plants, and lignite.

And

in addition to their use of, you know, other fuels, natural gas, which is, I guess the EPA says, the old EPA said is a pollutant that's heat.

but oil and all of these diesel fuels.

So basically, if you look at a chart of emissions, what Europe has done to vastly curtail its oil and natural gas and coal production and go to wind and solar has not really marginally affect

total global emissions.

It's really markedly affected European,

but because of the size of China, 1.4 billion people, and its gung-ho idea that it's going to use any type of cheap fuel that it can, and given it feels that the West will go under Biden and the EU was going into renewable solar and wind and EVs, that basically the rest of the world would get cheap fossil fuels.

And as an extra bonus, the West would cripple and neuter itself.

And China and India and other countries would be much more competitive because they would be using much cheaper sources of electrical generation.

And that's what was happening.

And so when you look at Europe, its cost, which is ahead of us, believe it or not, on wind and solar.

But a good example is California, which was trying to brag for a few hours not long ago that in the daytime it almost had achieved with people's solar panels on their homes, these huge new solar and wind farms, self-sufficiency in renewables without, and they were counting hydroelectric as well, without telling us that at night we are a vast importer of energy and often it's coal produced.

But we in California pay about double the average of electricity nationwide.

We're like Europe.

And so that's one of the reasons that we don't talk about why Tesla and all these other companies are leaving California.

It wasn't just a regulatory punishment that the government dishes out,

but it was the cost of power,

gasoline to get to work, diesel to deliver products, and electricity to make things.

It's so expensive here.

So what Lee Zeldin is basically saying is we're not going to be like Europe.

They're falling apart.

Their GDP used to be pretty much what ours was 25 years ago, and now it's only two-thirds.

And that's attributable to their declining fertility rate, their exorbitant price of energy.

their open borders and huge social costs of illegal immigration from the Islamic world.

And we're not going to do it.

And at least as far as the hyper-regulation and wind and solar, and the beneficiaries are whom?

The middle class.

The middle class.

Yeah.

Well, you don't have power, you have poverty.

And why the bleeding hearts don't see that, or maybe they see it, maybe they relish it actually.

It's one thing.

The other thing, Victor, you just mentioned California.

I wrote a piece for National Review the other day.

I think you mentioned before the

forthcoming closing of two refineries in the state is going to cut

gasoline availability by 20%.

You already have this new tax going, and that's going to add 65 cents a gallon.

The cut of the fuel is just going to make it,

I don't know what it's going to be, like $9, $10 a gallon?

Can you imagine that someday in California for gasoline?

Yeah, something's got to give.

It's like, here's the state, and you're pulling at it in every direction.

What do I mean by that?

You're driving out oil refineries, you're raising the price of gas, you're putting the great

Monterey Shale Basin off limits.

The very rich

naval reserve fields in the Bakersfield area are declining in output.

The offshore, I think we only have 10 or 11 platforms left,

they're reaching, even with

increased horizontal drilling, they're reaching their limits and production is going down.

So, production of fossil fuels is going down radically.

Refineries are leaving because of the regulation.

The taxes are going up.

Silicon Valley and other types of businesses are fleeing the state.

The state has, in response, raised their taxes from 10 to 11 to 12 to 13.3 on the top rates income tax.

The property taxes are very high, not because of the the percentage, but because the assessments are so high.

The electricity, as I said,

is way over 30 cents a kilowatt at certain times.

And

nobody can live if you're middle class.

But we also have the most generous welfare benefits.

So half the state is on

half of the deliveries of newborns are Medi-Cal, and 40% of the state is on Medi-Cal,

and 21% lives below

the poverty line, and one-third of all recipients nationwide

who get federal entitlements are in California, which only has one-sixth of the population.

So you can see what I'm getting at.

The professional class and the middle classes are leaving.

The rich who have big, beautiful homes along the coast and are, it's a wealthy estate, they've traditionally made a fortune in California, they don't care about what the price is.

If you tell somebody in Montecito or Malibu

or Carmel that the price of gas is going to go to seven or eight, they said, that's good.

There'll be less people bugging my estate.

If you say, well, to...

to turn on your sprinklers or something, it's going to be exorbitant electricity.

I don't care.

I don't need these people.

That's their attitude.

And then the poor, who are mostly immigrants, first and second generation, mostly from south of the border, they have traditionally said,

it's fine with me.

I get free health care.

My kids are born free.

I get housing supplements.

My kids get affirmative action.

It's a big welfare state.

And here's the unknown.

And that is, as I said, about 45% in this minority, majority state is Hispanic.

And we don't know what that means anymore.

Third generation, second generation, first, but we do know this,

that

the majority of high-paying jobs in the state bureaucracy and many of the mid-level companies are increasingly staffed by Hispanics and they are becoming the establishment, but they're not the wealthy establishment.

So they are paying anywhere from 9% to 12% income tax.

They are living in areas where they see

new illegal immigrants come in and get free stuff.

They can see that they have to pay the tax, and they're saying, oh my gosh, my own Democratic Party hates me now.

They used to like me because I'm Hispanic and gave me special privileges.

Now they hate me because I'm middle class and upper middle class.

and they think I'm just a piggy bank.

And I don't care who the guy is that's,

you know, getting free stuff.

I don't want to pay for it anymore.

And I don't care who these wealthy people are that patronize me.

They're the ones that are behind this radical environmental craziness.

And I don't like them either.

And we'll see how they break.

But

Gavin Newsom thinks that

he's got them in his pocket,

that Hispanics vote as Hispanics and therefore as Democrats and therefore as left-wingers, and he's going to redistrict a state that has about 40% vote for Trump, 38, 39 maybe,

and it only has about 20% Republican congressional districts.

And I think out of the 53 they're down to 10 or 11.

And he thinks that he's going to be a crusader by doing what, Gavin?

You put your head on the guillotine.

He thought, I'm going to be really the tough guy and beat my chest and say, Texas, what you're doing, I'm going to counteract because I'm bigger than you are and we're going to redistrict.

But the problem is that it was reform movements, Democrats and Republicans, that made this state supposedly nonpartisan redistricting commission.

And of course, as Democrats do, they hijacked it and inserted leftists in it and redistrict.

If you look at our districts, they look like jigsaw puzzles.

And they ensured that Republicans would only have half the congressional seats and maybe only, I don't know, 65% of the state

legislature seats that they deserve by their numbers.

And so now Gavin is basically going to do two things, Jack.

He's going to go back to the people of California and he's going to say, I want to throw out this constitutional amendment passed by ballot and abolish the non-partisan redistrict commission which we hijacked and made it partisan but it wasn't partisan enough because I want to ensure that California goes from 20% Republican representation when they have 40%

by population down to 10 or maybe 0

and I don't think that's going to sell I really don't He should be saying right now to his Democratic friends that are fleeing to Chicago, hey everybody, you should do what we did.

We've solved the problem.

Texas is going to

redistribute its congressional, but they won't ever be as successful as we were.

We really got the Republicans.

They had 40% almost.

They only have 20%.

We did that.

We hijacked the non-partisan commission.

It was a brilliant idea.

But he can't do that.

He's so greedy, and he has to get, he's running for office, so he has to double down on double down.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely.

It's shameless.

What's he going to do?

He's going to brag that when he runs for president under Gavin Newsom's direction, the California congressional delegation went from being 20% Republican down to 10%.

I don't think that's a good message.

It's a complete and total annihilation of your enemies seems to be what motivates them.

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So Victor, his headline, Pelosi working, quote-unquote, working for sex change surgeries nationally.

This is a newsmax story.

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat, California, said she's fighting for sex changes surgery on the national level.

While at San Francisco VA Medical Center on Thursday, that would have been a week ago from today when we're airing,

where she reviewed health system upgrades, Pelosi was asked how her office was responding to pauses in gender transitioning surgeries in California.

Quote, that is something I'm working for at the national level, and we have, are hoping that we can have gender affirming care for our trans kids, Pelosi told reporters.

Victor, the priority of Nancy Pelosi is

slicing off body parts of boys and girls.

It's, well, not a surprise.

That's one priority.

The main priority is talking to her husband about confidential information of where the next federal project is going to be located in California, where the on-ramp's going to be, where the off-ramp, what the zoning is going to be, what the building's going to be so he can are, what the interest rate's going to be, so he can act accordingly accordingly in anticipation and turn the Pelosi family income from maybe a million bucks to a net worth of a hundred or two hundred million in palatial residences.

That's the real priority.

I listened to her, I couldn't understand, I felt bad for her.

Did you see that clip?

I did see it.

She was so confused.

I don't even think she knew what gender-affirming care is.

She hesitated, she was lost.

She was Biden-esque.

Yeah,

I'm 71,

and

I forget names sometimes, but

there's a problem with this geriatric chauvinism.

We're not supposed to say something, but

to the degree it's age-related.

I mean, I listened to Charles Grassley, the guy is, what, 92 or something?

He sounds sharp as a tack to use that Biden inappropriate.

He's very, I'm not saying, and Warren Buffett and all these people they're, you know, no problem, but gosh, she

is cognitively impaired.

She really is.

And I don't know what she says.

She's going to do this.

She's not the speaker anymore.

I don't know what influence she has.

She seems to be increasingly irrelevant.

She's not at the pulse of the party, which is the Jasmine Crockett lunatic base.

And I don't know what she means by gender affirming care.

If her 16-year-old 16-year-old,

or say her 15-year-old granddaughter, goes to school and is told that transitioning is something everybody considers, and she goes up to Nancy and says, I think I need my breast removed surgically, what would Nancy do?

And she said, I think she would have a fit.

Gender-affirming, it's not affirming gender, it's a radical surgery.

that can remove vital anatomy that will change a person's health for the rest of their lives.

And it's not in isolation, it's accompanied by very dangerous drugs, hormones and whatnot, and some cases steroids and stuff.

So I thought the left was always warning us about over-medication and too many surgeries and doctor activism that gets in the way of prudent integrative medicine.

And suddenly if it's you know, that's so everybody should realize what's scary about the left is

they control the media and the popular culture, and that popular culture and media can serve as a retardant or a break on popular passion.

So, if you're a Republican or

conservative, the first idea that gets in your head, they will attack you and they will attack you unfairly.

But one result of it is if you're a conservative, you have to be very careful what you say and think because they pounce and they go after you.

If you're a Democrat, Democrat, though, they just give you free rein and that just encourages wild stuff.

It's the same thing about

tampering with the environment.

There was a story that off the coast, California Central Coast, they're thinking about ways of blocking the sun to decrease global warming.

I thought that tampering with the environment, whether it's creating coronaviruses in the lab or doing things like that, is very, very dangerous but again because it's left

if some right-wing guy said i've got a plan and i have a gold mine and it's off the grid so i have this big wind turbine turbine i'm going to use and it's going to create the electricity for my mining operation to get gold and there's going to be golden eagles and ospreys that are going to go through it and get shredded they wouldn't allow that in two seconds.

But because you're left wing,

there's no scrutiny over wind or solar or any of that stuff, or even pollution or dangerous experimentation.

It's the same thing with the mRNA booster.

All of a sudden, they declared that that was the thing to get a booster, and nobody really understood the spike protein or the after effects on some people, or immune-compromised people.

And

you can really see it in the Soviet Union.

It was a People's Republic and they just dumped nuclear waste anywhere they wanted.

And their basic attitude is, what are you going to do?

And I can tell you, when I drive in California and you see Caltrans and they know that the left controls the state,

they don't take a lot of care about signs that say under construction or bumps in the road or open trenches at the side of the road because their attitude is basically

we're the king and the king is law and we're left and they're not going to do anything to us because we're the state.

Whereas if they were a private contractor, they'd be sued left and right.

And at some point somebody's got to pay for all this.

And if you demonize all these wealthy people and they're leaving and you

keep going at it, it's...

Even Gavin, you know, he had to back down from giving free health care to more illegal aliens.

and he's worried now that we've had the most illegal aliens in the country, as I said, half of the births, and the Medi-Cal budget is just consuming a huge proportion that used to go to infrastructure, and yet he can't cross that constituency, and yet he knows

that it's not going to work financially.

And his whole, Gavin Newsom's whole strategy, I got to get out of Dodge before it

falls apart.

And I just hope that it doesn't fall.

It's kind of like Mike Dekakis.

Remember, he kind of ruined Massachusetts and he said,

I was the governor of Massachusetts.

It wasn't ideological.

I was competent.

Everybody hated the left at that point.

And then he called it the Massachusetts Miracle, and it worked pretty well in the primary and the first thing against George Bush.

And then

it started coming in, and they ran, oh, wait a minute, Boston Harbor's filthy, dirty.

Man, Willie Horton just gets out of that revolving door.

That was in addition to him bobblehead in a tank.

But it didn't last long enough.

The miracle blew up, and then he was considered not competent.

If he wasn't competent, that was about the end for him.

By the way, I'm glad you mentioned the shredded birds and bald eagles.

Because

I think if you owned a bald eagle feather at one point, maybe even now you get sick.

No, no, you can't have one.

No, no, no, no, no.

But you can kill them and

whales, right?

Weren't whales the great

and should be, you know, save Willie, free Willie, but these turbines, wind wheels.

They screw up their roads.

They, what?

They interfere with their natural sonar.

Yeah, yeah.

But they shouldn't.

They do that.

They interrupt bird migration.

I mean, birds, when they want to go from the coast to the central valley, they follow natural depressions in the landscape called passes.

And passes are where the wind is tunneled through from different barometers and stuff.

So whether it's the Ultimate Pass or Pacheco Pass or down by Palm Springs,

that's where the wind machines are, and that's where a lot of birds fly, and that's where they get torn up.

Yeah.

And

insane.

Well, Victor, we're going to take a little break, and when we come back from that, we're going to talk about Judge Bosberg getting smacked down.

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We are back with the Victor Davis-Hanson Show recording on Sunday the 10th, and this episode is up on, let me get my calendar straight, Thursday the 14th.

And I am the grateful father and father-in-law doing this from my daughter Elizabeth's house.

Thank you kindly, my sweet daughter, and her brilliant husband, Ben.

Victor, I do have to mention before we get these topics, you know, we talk sometimes about angels, and Joe N, who runs, helps administer the Victor Davis-Hanson Fan Club on Facebook, is Orthodox.

And, you know,

I don't know how Swedish Protestants, how many angels they think of, but we think generally Christians, we thought, you know, Michael, the archangel.

You've corrected me on the number and the nature and the nomenclature of angels on a number of occasions.

Yes, but now I'm admitting my own ignorance because, you know, there's a broader Christianity than just what I believe in.

So, Joe, who is,

who is, again, Orthodox, says

there are within the Greek tradition at least seven angels, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel.

Those are the ones we all

also agree with.

And then Chamuel, Jophael, and Zadkiel.

I hope I pronounced those right.

And then someone else sent me something about an archangel named Jagudiel, who is venerated in Eastern Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

So

I'm very intrigued by this.

I'm going to study more, but I wanted to make a correction, you know, or admission at least of my ignorance of

angels.

So I was curious, I think I told you that

on Black Tuesday,

May 29th, 28th,

at around noon,

1453,

the Emperor Mehmet's troops

broke through the Theodesian walls, and they ran the five or six miles through the streets of Constantinople, killing civilians, and the 7,000 of them were locked in in safety in the sanctuary of Hagia Sophia, the greatest church in Christendom devoted to holy wisdom.

And they were praying for the archangels to come down.

But according to your

friends, exegesis, there was not just four, there was eight.

So they had a they had some power.

Why didn't they come as called down to save everybody from the Muslim killers?

Because

the Palaeogaloi, the the last emperor, he was marblized according to Greek Orthodox traditions and taken away in a state of perpetual suspended animation.

And at some point when Constantinople, which it almost was in 1921, is restored to its Christian roots, he will be reanimated.

But they had a lot of archangels is what I'm telling you, and yet One of them could have volunteered to come down and save them from the Islamic so-called hordes.

By the way, do you know what the word

Angelos comes from?

An angel?

Yes, it's a Greek word, and it doesn't mean that he's divine.

Angelos means a messenger and an announcer.

So all Angoloi

are announcers.

And

why do we get the word anglo,

which is a dirty word now?

Because when the Romans reportedly went into

parts of

the British Isles, especially, they found people who were really weird-looking, pure white.

They had never seen anybody.

Germans were white, but these people had white hair, you know, they were kind of like elves in Tokyo.

And they thought, well, because the Angoloi

in scripture are radiant, these people must look like Angoloi, so we'll call them angles.

Really?

Messengers.

Wow.

Yeah, that's disputed that etymology, but I think that's the correct one.

I'll check it when this is over.

I think the praying Greeks should have sent for the

Swedish mercenaries to.

That might be a good question.

Anglo was a really dirty word when I was a young kid, because as I said before, I went to a predominantly Hispanic Eric White school on the west side, about a mile from

right?

Yeah, about a mile and a half from where I'm speaking.

And even in those days, there was 10 to 12 non-Hispanic kids because it was on the so-called

Barrio side.

And I should have gone to a rural school called Terry School, but my mother thought

it would be good to be integrative

and to get a real-life experience.

And I had great teachers, by the way.

I got a great education, but they had a lot of pejorative words.

One was okie.

You're an okie, or you're a gringo was the most common, or white boy.

But they also said anglo.

Hey, Anglo.

And I don't know where they got that, Anglo.

That was one of the first words I learned of being white, Anglo, and a dirty word.

You're an Anglo.

Anglos have it, you know.

Didn't you elect the Anglo as the freshman class president in high school, Elle?

Were you not the freshman class president?

That was very funny.

I was a junior and I was vice president.

I was a senior, excuse me, as vice president of the student body and the president

was

so-called white, but there was a really contested election for the next

student body president between a Hispanic person and a white person.

At that time, Selma High School, which was not like my feeder school, it represented the entire community and it was about 50-50 or maybe 60% Hispanic, not 90% as it is now.

In any case,

my colleague, who was the student body president as a senior, backed the white candidate, and I backed the Hispanic candidate.

I really liked him.

I thought he was the better qualified.

And

the only thing is, he appealed to numbers like Latino solidarity, and they thought that that was unfair.

So it was a disputed election.

And so we went, I was his representative,

and my colleague, who was the student body president, was the other candidates, and it was kind of deadlocked.

And everybody didn't trust.

There were accusations that everybody was stuffing the ballot.

So

we locked, the box was locked in the principal's office, and the principal read us all of the complaints.

of stuffing and he said, right now I want to know Mr.

Hansen and Mr.

I won't won't mention his name, I still know him, the president.

He said,

they didn't let the candidates come in because they didn't want them arguing.

He said, you are the representative, the campaign managers of each.

And I was.

So they said,

do you want me to open this box?

And I said, yes.

I think I don't, there's no evidence.

There was none tampering.

And the other guy said, yeah, we won.

Everybody knows we won.

So they opened it, we counted, and the so-called white candidate lost.

And immediately he said, no, no, that's not fair.

Victor's wrong.

It's not fair.

I said, well, you agreed.

Well, these things were been tampered.

And his father was on the school board.

He said, I'm calling my dad immediately.

And I gave this really impassioned, self-righteous, snotty little speech about...

I said, you're arguing that people are trying to use undue influence because they're Hispanic and it was during right during the beginning of affirmative action and there had been a lot of people angry because there were three or four people who were going to UC campuses who did not have a 3.5 average who were Hispanic and three or four who didn't get in who were white who did.

So affirmative action.

But I said you guys are all angry about affirmative action, but you're doing affirmative action too.

You're saying that because your dad's on the school board and you're white, that you can change the rules, but you can't.

So

we have to abide by your word.

And we had to sign a little thing, too.

And so

he didn't speak to me for the rest of the year about it.

He was so angry.

And when we had a Mexican-American president, he was just as good or bad as anybody else.

The next year we had a black.

president.

He was really good.

I knew him really well.

So this was supposed to be the height of racism in Central Valley.

No, it was poor whites from Oklahoma, Mexican Americans, blacks.

They all got along pretty well, as I remember.

And we had a

1972, there was a Hispanic president, 1973, I think there was a black president.

Scudenball.

And we had a year ahead of me, there was a brilliant black woman who was our vice president.

So

it was pretty much,

you don't hear about any of of the in the revisionist history of the dark days and racist days of America, but 50 years ago it was not quite what everybody thinks it was.

I have to read an ad, but your story there is a wonderful story, and it kind of reminds me a little of Napoleon Dynamite, the movie.

I don't know if you've ever seen it, Victor.

Was that the one with the pig?

No.

Oh, no.

I thought there was some.

No, but it's about a high part about a high school election election and vote for Pedro.

And check it out some point.

It's a pretty fun

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Victor,

hey, here's the headline.

Appeals Court Panel quashes Judge Boseberg's contempt proceedings over Alien Enemies Act deportations.

Victor, your thoughts on the quashing of Boseberg, and I wonder, will he ever behave?

What's your point?

Well, he's been put in his place by the appeals court, but

I think he's a man who thinks he's going to do something

anyway.

There's 750 of these judges, Jock,

lower district court, And I think the estimates I've read are 400 of them to 450 are left-wing.

And you and I would never have heard this guy, right?

I've never heard of him before this year, have you?

And now we're talking about him, and we're talking about him in a lot of context.

So I think your point is that they don't really care what the law is.

They do know one thing, that if they stay

for

a month, three months, and they cost the Trump administration time and money and attention, then where they live and with whom they circulate, they become folk heroes.

Did you see what Judge Broseberg did?

I know him.

That's amazing.

He just took on Trump.

And the louder and the more obnoxious and the more paralegal,

meaning parallel to the law, or

contra-law, contra-legal, the more famous they get.

And in the old days, if you were reversed, if you were a district judge and a circuit court reversed you, or the Supreme Court, that was something that was to your shame.

I know my mother was an appellate court.

She was a Superior Court judge and an appellate court.

And she made sure that she tried to cross every TNI never to be reversed.

And when she was in appellate court, she thought long and hard about reversing a lower court because she knew that if she did, even if she was correct in doing so, and she did a lot, it was really traumatic to the judge.

These people don't care, though.

They have no legal reputation they care about.

Oh, I'm Judge Brosberg, and I got reversed five times by the circuit cut, and ten times.

No, he didn't.

I'm Judge Brosberg, and I'm a folk hero to the left.

I stopped Trump.

I delayed Trump.

That's how they think.

And it doesn't matter what the case is.

They won't admit that they are just

another form of politics for the Democratic Party and the left.

They look at even worse than that, Jack.

They think, oh, well,

Haichem Jeffrey has no power.

Sad.

Chuck Schumer has no power in the Senate.

Joe Biden's out.

The Biden family's a joke.

We have no presidency.

We only have Conjee Brown and Elena Kagan.

Gosh,

we don't really have any power there either.

We've got Sotomayere.

We've got three women on the court, but they're outvoted and they're not necessarily brilliant jurists.

We don't have any plebiscite action because we're on the nobody wants to vote for men in locker rooms or open borders or windmills, but we've got the district judges.

And that is our ace in the hole.

They are courageously on the line stopping Trump.

No one else can do it but them, and they can't do it for very long.

They're kind of like

the great warriors in a besieged city.

They're holding out against the Trump attackers.

That's how they view themselves as tragic heroes.

And they don't care about the law.

They take an oath to uphold the law.

They don't care about that.

They just, if it's Trump's fingerprints on it,

it's going to be overturned.

They have,

as I understand it,

there were more challenges and stays to Trump's

executive orders in the first seven months than the entire Obama eight years that were overturned.

I mean, that were initially overturned.

So that's their only mechanism right now.

That in street theater,

you know, and doxing ICE agents and

putting on kickboxing uniforms and making videos or potty mouse slurs, but maybe firebombing a Tesla dealership,

kind of gloating that Donald Trump was almost killed on social media.

Oh, he missed.

That kind of stuff.

That's all they have right now.

It's going to be very interesting in the midterm because history says to us that Trump cannot win.

Only four times in the modern era has the in party

been able to gain or hold seats in the first midterm election of their four-year tenure.

And

Trump's going to lose.

He only has a

seven House margin, so he's going to lose.

I'm not sure that's true

if they keep it up.

They should just run ads all day long of Jasmine Crockett.

It's Jasmine, and then 10,000 people coming across the border.

That would be a good ad.

And then maybe,

I don't know,

a guy on the uh on the stand getting first place that's obviously a male in a swim contest said you want this this is what you're going to get

yeah

well there's a collective freak show element to

did you see uh george will the other day in a in an interview with bill maher somebody asked me i hope you bring this up with victor but he he said

I saw the clip where he said he wanted Mondami to win in New York.

It sounded outrageous, but what he meant, I think,

was: although he's very clever, he had kind of a twinkle in his eye.

Ostensibly, he meant, I'm willing to sacrifice the welfare of New Yorkers for four years under this socialist communist rule because now and then the American people need to be woken up and get a

you know a slap in the face, what socialism really does when it takes power.

Therefore, it will be a good wake-up call for America.

But I don't know if he meant that sincerely or he's sort of thinking

the country has been taken over by Trump and this is what they deserve.

So, I don't know what he meant.

But I take him, at least I want to take him on what I think he meant.

Not literally.

Yeah.

I have other reasons to be critical of him over the last few years, but we already have a lot of cities in America that are destroyed and burning hell holes because all I would say to George is just come out here and live in California and look at the California legislature.

You've been in Oakland, yeah.

Yeah, what do you think Oakland is?

And I've been to Oakland.

I was driving through Oakland about three and a half weeks ago,

and

I didn't know

I thought I was going to use a restroom, so I pulled off an exit on 80, and then I saw when I pulled into the service station, I thought I was going to fill up a half a tank, and I looked around and I thought, you know what?

This is not wise.

And I just took off.

I went back on the freeway.

It's not a safe place.

It really isn't.

So, George, all you have to do, you don't need Mondame.

Jack makes a good point.

Just look at what Oakland has become.

Look what San Francisco became under London Breed.

Look what Karen Bass has done to Los Angeles.

Yeah.

Back again with the, you know, this is nothing new about this, or these

we think the AOC leftists are a modern thing, and they are in their way, but what happened to Detroit in 1968?

Detroit was the runner-up to be the Olympic city, and then it had the highest GDP in 1945 of any major city, highest per capita GDP.

It was a Renaissance city.

That was the real catalyst for the war effort, vehicles and things for World War II.

It was a booming city, and it was destroyed.

AOC, you mentioned AOC.

I just remembered AOC's, one of her community liaisons, is under investigation because she

I think she was a Palestinian or sympathetic to the Palestinian.

She posted a social media telling people that this particular Bronx High School, is it Bronx, your place?

Or Brooklyn?

Brooklyn or Bronx.

I think she's in Brooklyn, but yes, Brooklyn, the Bronx.

That it had a large Jewish population and they drove Lexuses, she said, and they were Zionist and they should go after them.

She tried to tell people to go harass them.

Yes.

But

the the nation

was like Sacramento President Wood anyway.

Where was AOC?

Yeah.

I condemn this in the clearest terms.

I have no association with his former employee.

They're not going to do that.

I feel deeply for Jews in America.

I always have.

But the difference in the last few years is

really troubling.

And

things like that.

You know what I could find really weird?

I'm 71,

and in my lifetime, I've never been asked if I was Jewish.

And in the last three years, I've been asked at least three times by people at airports or something.

Or I've had five or six emails saying, are you Jewish?

Meaning that when I write a column supporting Israel, The first thing they think is not whether the article is well-argued or correct or incorrect, but it's a Jew Jew who wrote it.

It's really weird.

October 7th had the opposite effect of what I thought.

I thought it would wake people up to anti-Semitism, but it unleashed all this

anger.

And

it really

is going to get worse.

The Democratic Party, they unleashed this.

They let open borders at the southern border, and then there were no visas, audit, or background checks checks from people.

Even Mr.

Khalil, you remember that was temporarily in detention to be

deported, the Columbia, is that his name, Khalil?

Did you see what he said the other day?

He said that he concluded that October 7th was necessary.

It had gotten to the point.

He didn't want to admit it, but he said, you know, looking at it, it just had to happen.

I wonder what he would say if a bunch of crazy Jews had broken into Gaza.

The IDF had said, we broke down the barrier.

It's free raping, killing, torturing time, and we get 6,000 kibbutz residents swarm into Gaza to rape and kill and behead.

And loot.

I wonder what he would say then.

It's a no-brainer.

Here's Gaza.

Every Jew got out in 2005-6.

The Bush administration said, we support elections.

Even if Hamas wins, Hamas wins.

They threw the Palestinian Authority opposition off rooftops, ethnically cleansed all of them, got them out, sent them back over to the West Bank, said, This is ours.

And they had 20 years to create an emirates on the Mediterranean.

No Israeli was going to bother them.

They had tons of UN

food, money, Gulf money.

All they had to do was one thing.

Just say, you know what?

I don't care about Israel.

We got Gaza, we have the West Bank, we're going to show the Jews that we can make this paradise on earth, and then we can adjudicate maybe a border change once we are in a position of respect, honor, and wealth.

And all they had to do was that.

And immediately they took the money, they diverted it, started building the tunnels, and started killing Jews and trying to get

just destroyed things.

Everything they touched, they destroyed.

Hamas.

With the help of Michael's touch.

Well, Victor,

we've got to get one more topic in, and since we're talking about fights, the Jewish military in part here, and you're a classicist, there's a very interesting piece about

how does Homer speak to the heart of a modern warrior?

And I'm going to raise this with you when we come back from these final important messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis-Hansen Show.

So, Victor, let's round out today's episode with this

piece in the free press by Ito Hevrani, How Does Homer Speak to the Heart of the Modern Warrior?

And I guess,

in one sense, it's discussions with Jewish Israeli Defense Forces, kind of closed-mouthed.

Can't really talk about what happened.

They've seen so much that's so drastic.

And then there's some effort to have them read the Iliad.

So let me read this from this piece.

Another student, a fighter in an elite unit, approached me after the course ended and told me he had participated in several intensive combat rounds that he never spoke of in the processing sessions that followed.

I had no words, he said.

But in the first processing session we conducted after I finished reading the Iliad, I spoke for the first time.

I finally found the words to talk about my experiences.

My student was well trained for combat, but was never trained to recognize what war might do to his soul.

He had learned the high moral values of the IDF, such as the purity of arms, meaning that soldiers should use their weapons and force only to the necessary extent and must maintain their humanity even during combat.

But he learned nothing about the shocking violence required in combat situations.

The Iliad gave him a deeper understanding of what human beings are capable of.

The Iliad's ending with Achilles and Priam mourning together gave him an opening for hope.

Even from these depths, one can return from humanity.

I thought this was a very powerful article, Victor, and I want to give you a chance to reflect as you have written several books on the intensity of battle and carnage, and

of course, the Iliad.

What are your thoughts about how the Iliad,

what it might mean to the modern soldier?

Well, the Iliad, everybody, is

an epic poem that was created some time.

I shouldn't say created, but it was handed down

among a bard class, maybe a blind bards.

orally.

It was an oral poem.

And it was supposedly right after the collapse of Mycenaean Greece

around 1150, there became a mythology.

That was when Greek mythology was formed in the so-called Dark Ages.

Population decreases, there's a catastrophic invasion or some type of cataclysm, whether it's natural or man-made,

and an impoverished successive group of population sees the monuments of Mycenaean Greece, and they can't make them, they don't know who did it.

And soon it's kind of like Road Warrior mythology,

apocalyptic.

And so they start to, but there is song, so they start romanticizing, exaggerating what the former godlike civilization that they see the physical reminiscence, they see linear B tablets, they're illiterate, they don't know what it is.

And these bards are very clever.

About a third of their poems, and the Iliad is just one of two that survived along with the Odyssey, and from father to son or from bard to bard or however the tradition was handed down,

about 20 of these poems surrounded,

and that's where Greek mythology was formed, and it's the House of Thebes, the Oedipus cycle, Perseus

cycle.

Jason's cycle, and the sack of Troy cycles.

And we have two poems in the tenth year of the war, the Iliad

about the wrath of Achilles, why the foremost Greek warrior withdraws from the battlefield in Paus, and then the return of Odysseus, one person.

We don't have any of the poems about Ajax, we knew they exist, we don't have any about Telemachus,

etc.

Okay,

so in the

about 11 weeks of the tenth year,

the foremost warrior, Achilles, and again, this is an impoverished society around 700, 400 years of this has been going on, these tall tales, and each one is pretty gifted.

He adds and subtracts to

the tradition.

And around 700 BC, we have writing come back in, not by linear B as the original Greeks of the Mycenaean period, but Phoenician letters, alpha, beta, gamma.

And Homer is the last guy in the scene.

I'm just simplifying, and don't correct me, classicists, because I'm trying to be general.

They write what his version is down.

So we have Homer because he's the last one who was contemporaneous with written.

Once you can write, you destroy the oral tradition,

so to speak.

So we have his

version, and one of his many poems was The Wrath of Achilles.

And Iliad comes from Ilion, the Greek Greek word for Troy,

and it's about Troy things.

And in this poem,

it captures the ethos of the early Dark Ages, that you are judged by your martial virtue, how tough you are, how brave you are, how many people you can kill.

And Achilles is angry because

he is the biggest killer.

psychopath almost.

He can kill anybody.

And he has the gods on his side, Athena sometimes.

They come down like little kids.

Remember, the Greeks don't think the gods are necessarily more moral than humans.

They're just bigger and stronger and don't die.

Athanatoi.

So he, anyway, the poem is the wrath.

He gets angry that Agamemnon, who's more kingly, i.e.

he's connected because of birth to the great city of Mycenae, the biggest of the Greek cities.

at that time.

He takes away his concubine.

And then Achilles says, okay,

I do all the hard work.

I kill all the Trojans, and you take my stuff that I capture on the battlefield.

That's not fair.

I quit.

You can't quit.

I'm going to quit.

And if you quit, then Hector, their big champion, will rally the Trojans and get to our ships.

And he said, I'll tell you what, when they get to the ships, I made my point.

You needed me, and you should have honored me.

And then his best friend, Patroclus, says, Oh, please don't do this.

Everybody will get killed.

Grow up.

And he doesn't.

And Ajax tries, everybody tries to persuade him.

They can't.

Patroclus gets killed by Hector.

Hector thinks he's the toughest guy on the battlefield.

The Trojan, he's not.

He kills a lot of people.

And then Achilles gets angry.

He said, okay, they got to the ships.

I'm going to go.

And he goes on a bloodlust killing spree.

And he finally faces down Hector, who now becomes very sympathetic.

I know know that I can't beat you.

I know the gods won't let me beat you.

I know you have divine protection.

I know you're better than I am.

I'm going to fight you anyway for my family, who is watching me on the walls, basically.

And Achilles kills him, and then he drags his corpse all around the battlefield, humiliates the body, and then he sees the old man Priam,

Hector's father, and he feels bad.

And then he gives back the body, and then he becomes sober and judicious, and supervises the funeral games among the the Greeks and

basically grows up.

And so what is the lesson of the Iliad that a warrior who kills and is praised for killing starts to mature and think, you know what, we're all in the same boat.

They're killing us, we're killing them.

You've got to show some human compassion.

to the enemy, even though they're the enemy.

And he grows up, and that's supposed to historically reflect an addition to the historic oral tradition.

Where Homer, who was a product of the city-state, which was a complex new moral and political entity, not like the Dark Ages

or herder nomadic culture, and not like the Mycenaeans who spawned the epic tradition, because they probably really did go to Troy in a Mycenaean ships and sack it.

Or something like that.

It's a long,

it's a big dispute.

But anyway, it shows you that the city-state, the foundation of Western civilization, has now got a more nuanced idea of morality.

The old morality, help your friends, hurt your enemies, is no longer operative, at least in the character development of Achilles.

And so this soldier obviously sees that and says, you know, I went into Gaza.

And these people did these horrific things, and I started to fight them.

And then I looked at the rubble and everything, and I saw some of the people, and I started to get empathy for them.

And I realized that they're human, too, and

this is conflicted, and I need to get some guidance.

I read the Iliad, and I saw the same thing happening to Achilles that's happening on me.

Does it mean that he became a pacifist?

No.

Did it mean Achilles then stops?

No.

He's going to keep fighting and get killed, as you know, shot in the.

But that's not in the Iliad.

That's in a lost

called the

I think it's it's called the Persus

Iliad, the Persus Ilium in Latin.

And the Latin translation, it's the

destruction of Ilium, the final destroyer with a Trojan horse.

That's after the death of Achilles.

Achilles gets killed by Paris, shoots a lucky arrow, and then Odysseus has to take the city by stealth.

Again, city-state, 700 BC, contemporary, I think, padding of the tradition that shows craft,

intelligence is as important as physical strength.

It's like an onion, the epic tradition.

Each layer was a product of a generation.

It's very hard to undo it in modern classical scholarship and determine

which is the original Mycenaean story, which was padded during the Dark Ages, and which shows the character development and the sophistication of the last generations before writing took place.

Widespread.

There's a whole science about how to look at artifacts in the Iliad and date them and suggest that the poem is evidence for 1200 BC, 900 BC, 700 BC.

Well, I guess a takeaway before we leave here for me anyway is a warrior can forgive a warrior.

Yes.

And that happened, you know, the Union and the Confederacy after the war.

They were still meeting at Gettysburg, you know, 50 years later.

Yeah, that's a very good point you make because a lot of people are talking about the statue toppling and changing military base names and all of this.

And they don't quite understand that from 1865 all the way to the 1920s,

there was a lot of animosity in the country.

And people did not forgive the Southerners for being secessionist.

And the Southerners said,

we were not secessionists.

We were fighting for our state.

Only 3% of our state owned slaves, but you were invading our territory.

It was hatred.

And the federal government tried to do

step in.

I mean, every political party tried to balance the ticket with a southerner, especially Democratic Party, because nobody voted Republican because that was associated with Lincoln's victory in the Civil War for 100 years.

And nobody wanted to invest in the South.

But as I said the other day, it's very ironic.

The South became the North and the North became the South.

The North became racially obsessed.

The North became statist, the North destroyed the middle class, and the new South doesn't seem to care about race and blacks find it more conducive to live in the South again than the North.

And there's a middle class in Florida and Texas, Tennessee, in a way there's not in California or

you know, Michigan.

So it's it's ironic.

But my point is that's why all those statues are there that people now with modern 21st century post-modern morality condemn.

But they were there for a purpose to heal the wounds of the country.

That's why you have Robert E.

Lee, you know, everywhere, or

Stonewall Jackson.

It wasn't because they were saying they were perfect people.

They were just saying got to give the South something.

All those Westerns, remember, Jack, that the searchers, John Wayne is kind of a Southerner.

And Alan Alan Ladd, remember in Shane, he's a southern, he says, you're no good Yankee,

no good Yankee liar, doesn't he, to Jack Palance before he says?

Actually, some of the John Ford, the trilogy, well, Tyree is a

in Hollywood.

It's very funny, everybody, because Hollywood was left-wing to the core, communist socialists.

But in the 1930s and 40s and 50s, they stood up for the underdog.

And they thought that the Southerners were impoverished, they were misunderstood.

And all of their movies showed that the heroic gunfighter was from the South.

And he had skills that the Northerners won the war through numbers and money, but the Southerners, they were kind of.

And that was even in the Clint Eastwood movie.

Remember?

Oh, sure.

The Good, the Bad, the Ugly.

The Good, Bad, and the Ugly.

And also,

you know, the outlaw Josie Wales.

He was a southerner that was tormented by northerners, not to mention gone with a wind.

So that it was kind of Hollywood's rewriting of history to support the underdog.

And even when I was,

I don't know, in high school and early college, Joan Baez had a big hit.

She took that band song The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, changed, I think, a couple.

And she became left-wing Joan Baez, anti-war protester, was singing The Night They No Drove Dixie Down, which was a love song to the Confederacy.

And then all of a sudden they said, nope, they banned that.

I think

they didn't play that anymore on radio.

Someday we'll sing it, Victor.

Hey, we've got to conclude here because I've torn it.

We're getting over Connor.

Yeah, but I just want to read one

comment from one of our listeners.

This is off of YouTube.

So many comments.

We try to read them all, folks.

This is from Gail Talman122.

Victor, I was born in 1950, and I have never listened so close to anyone talking on a political platform as I have you.

And the history tidbits you throw in are so interesting.

I hope you continue on this delightful and enlightening conversation.

Your views are going up because I have 13 grandchildren and 14 great-grandchildren who I tell continuously, you must listen to Victor Davis Hansen.

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Well, the grandsons say they enjoy it.

Keep doing what you do.

This is from Gail in Tennessee Chronicles.

So that's just a lovely, lovely.

I'll have to get my granddaughter to listen to it.

She's 15.

She doesn't even know what I do, I think.

What do you do for Living Grandpa?

Victor, you've been terrific.

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