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So, Victor, we are at Heritage.

We're at Heritage Foundation, and they've been very, very nice to allow the use of this beautiful studio.

And I've always been a big fan of Heritage.

Everybody is, but they're doing a great job.

And I'm in Washington for a week with the Bradley Foundation and some other stuff.

And I'll be giving a lecture tomorrow at Heritage.

Yeah.

All right.

So good to be in Washington, D.C.

with you.

The first topic of the day is just for this week, the continued bombing of the Ukraine in spite of Trump's efforts to get a ceasefire in the Ukraine war.

Putin seems to be amping up his military efforts.

And I was wondering your thoughts on that.

Well, Trump's getting very

frustrated because

he campaigned and said he said two things, one accurate, maybe one not accurate.

He said that the war would have never started on his watch.

It wouldn't have, because we know that from 2017 to 21, it didn't.

And it had started in three of the last four.

That was George W.

Bush, the Osatia, Georgia, then Donbass Crime under

Obama, and then the takeover, attempted and failed takeover of Kiev.

But he did say he was going to stop it on day one.

But he felt that at that time that Putin was more reasonable than he is.

As I said last time, Putin's

going to try to push his borders as far east as he can and get as many concessions, because right now

it's the justification of a million dead, Russians, and wounded.

I don't think he has enough territory to explain that gambit to his apparatus.

It's very similar to the 1939 Winter War.

And to remind everybody, Nazi Germany had made a pact on August 23rd, 1929 with Joseph Stalin, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

Each took advantage of that.

They both carved up Poland.

And

as part of that deal, Stalin was going to take the Baltic stakes, but he started with Finland.

So on November 30th, 1939, he gave an ultimatum, kind of like Putin, and he said,

I want 10% of Finland.

And Mannerheim, the Baron Mannerheim general, he was the most distinguished

Finn.

He actually had served in the Russian army.

He said no.

And everybody thought it's hopeless because it was kind of like the China-Russia axis.

Finland was aligned, I mean, all by itself, Russia was aligned with Nazi Germany.

Hitler was supposedly angry about it because he favored Finland, but he helped,

according to the pact, Stalin.

They kicked Russia out of the League of Nations, but it was exactly the same.

Nobody sent anything.

Britain was going to send, France was going to send, we were going to send, but it was kind of like Ukraine.

So we invaded, and it was just like the Kiev takeover.

It was a mistake.

The Finns were in winter, on rough terrain, with skis, with white camouflage.

They inflicted 500,000 Russian casualties.

Not quite like Ukraine, but that's taken them three years, a million casualties.

And they fought all of December, all of January, all of February.

And then finally, they were exhausted, kind of like Ukraine.

Then Mannerheim went to Stalin and said, you can have the 10% or 11% now.

They lost a little bit more.

But we will fight you to the death if you try to take over the whole country.

So they settled.

Everybody talks about the winter war as a model for Ukraine.

They can fight, but the actual story is that he cut a deal.

And he suffered territorial concessions, but he survived.

He, Mannerheim, and Finland, survived World War II.

They made a deal with Stalin, and they said, if there is ever an invasion of

your country by any other country, any other nation, we won't join it.

But they're all talking about Germany.

So when Germany invaded Russia, Army Group North surrounded Leningrad, St.

Petersburg, and they said to Mannerheim, you can really help us.

You've got 700,000 troops.

If you come in from the north and cut.

He said, nope, I made a deal.

I'm not going to do it.

And they said, well, we're going to win the war.

He said, maybe, maybe not.

Well, when they lost the war, Stalin, then everybody thought we're going to take Finland.

And all Stalin said was,

I'll keep my word, but you're not going to be a NATO.

Austria's not going to be a NATO.

And that was the deal.

So,

or the Warsaw Pact.

Well, Putin seems like he's not going to give in.

And every time something's given, he wants more.

And so Trump seems very good.

He's got to show that he can't be pushed.

He wants another month to kill more Ukrainians and show the Russian military and governing

apparatchecks.

He wants to show them that he didn't cave to Trump.

Because Trump's been bragging and says, I'm going to cut a deal with Putin, but he wants to hold out longer.

And he's not getting

traction on the ground, so he's trying to kill more civilians.

So, how will it end?

It'll only end in about a month or two when he can say to the military, I fought as hard as I could,

and Trump has to put, he's going to put a secondary boycott.

And that'll be hard to enforce.

He's going to have to tell Germany, who's buying natural gas, by the way, and India and China, we're not going to buy any of your products if you buy Russian oil.

And it will drive the price of oil up on the world market.

And that's why he's been hesitant to do do it.

And we'll see what happens.

What's never happened in a superpower?

We're doing stuff that, by the way, we've never done in the Cold War.

We had a rule in the Cold War.

You did not use a proxy and arm it directly to attack the motherland of your superpower rival.

And when Russia did that with Cuba and armed it with nuclear tip missiles, We said, you broke the rule.

That's not possible.

You take it out.

We've got to be very careful what we're doing.

Well, speaking of ceasefire, another ceasefire in a completely different situation is in Gaza.

And apparently, there's been a ceasefire offer.

Gaza says it was 70 days ceasefire and five live hostages given.

The United States says it was 45 to 60 days ceasefire and 10 hostages and 19 dead hostages returned.

Netanyahu isn't buying anything that Hamas says from Gaza, and he says they reject it.

So again, here we see a stasis on hostages.

We have no idea whether they're alive.

When they say hostages, they could be talking about corpses.

Everything they say is a lie.

They're like the Iranians.

Nothing they say

is true.

So when you negotiate with Hamas, it has to be entirely on your self-interest,

not reaching a settlement, because they will not honor a settlement.

And if they reach a settlement,

even if it's in their interest, they won't follow it.

That's just who they are.

So

and we should remember that all these young students, these rich kids at Columbia and every place, they're really demonstrating on behalf of a terrorist organization that took over Gaza through one election, as Bernard Lewis said, one election, one time in 2006.

And then all of the Jews that were settling in Gaza left.

They left their infrastructure.

American Jews had paid for some of it, turned it over to the Gaza.

They destroyed it all.

They had their free elections, League of Nations.

What did they do?

They eliminated the opposition.

They killed the Palestinian Authority candidates in many cases.

They got election, one election, one time.

And then they created a police fascist state.

And

they could have been like the Palestinian Authority.

They could have, you know, off and on fought, or they could have been like the two million Arabs that are living as citizens in Israel.

They could have had some kind of deal with the Israelis.

The Israelis, very naively, were allowing 20,000 of them to come in to work on the kibbutzus.

They thought this was a way of acculturating them and keeping

paying them two or three times higher than the gay.

And you can't deal with them.

So think about what the kids at Columbia are dealing with.

They're demonstrating on behalf of a fascist organization that butchered 1,200 people at time of peace, does not allow habeas corpus, does not allow free elections, does not allow a free media, and has their own autonomous territory.

When they say free Palestine, free Palestine from what?

It was free.

It could do whatever they wanted.

But it chose to go slaughter a bunch of men, women, and children that were civilian.

So I never understood that.

I would walk across the Stanford campus and somebody would come up to me, Free Palestine.

I say, why isn't it free?

Well, the Israelis, I said, they're not in there.

This is before the invasion.

That was right after October 7th.

I said, why don't you just make a democracy and have some votes?

Why don't you get a bunch of

Gulf

state money and build something like Dubai?

They could do whatever they wanted, but they won't.

They're a terrorist organization.

And they would rather be poor and destroy Israel than be prosperous and free and allow Israel to be the same.

It's a nihilist cult.

It's a death cult.

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All right, Victor, so you're reminding me of something.

They had the American Music Awards this

past weekend, and there's all sorts of criticism of it because the main stars didn't make it.

But I did notice that they had a singer who, at the end of her speech, said free Palestine.

And then Jay Lowe was on stage kissing men and women, etc.

And some of the critics, in fact, said it was too conservative.

That's why the big people didn't show and everybody thought it was not a and I was wondering if you had any thoughts on this crazy

world that we live in, where the critics are saying it's too conservative, and yet it seems to me that they were extraordinary.

Nobody even cares about the American music or I didn't even know what it was.

You say AMA, I don't know, American Medical Association.

I have no idea what it is.

And every

for a Hollywood person or an entertainer like Bruce Springsteen or any of these people, it's sort of like being in the Soviet Union around 1980.

You have to get a card that says you're a member of the party, and then you say on May Day, you stand at the dice with kind of like Brezhnev people, and you say, I believe in the Communist Manifesto, and I believe in the socialist agenda, why everybody, and then you just kind of look at your watch and say, I got to go home.

And where's my DACA in the Black Sea?

And I need two telephones.

And that's how cynical it was.

Well, that's what Hollywood is.

So, Bruce Springsteen, if if you sat at Bruce Springsteen or the AMA and you said, would you please explain the 1947 settlement or what Transjordan is or the million Jews that were ethnically cleansed in three wars since the foundation of Israel or why you're worried about a settlement and refugees in 1947, but you're not worried about 13 million Germans that were ethnically cleansed from Prussia, or 40 or 40, 80,000 Greeks that were ethnically cleansed from Cyprus, or 500,000 Volga Germans that were ethnically cleansed by Stalin after the war.

I can go on.

What would they say?

I don't know.

I'm just a member of the party, and that's what they told me to do.

So the Democratic Party, you know, when they issue talking points to these mindless anchors,

Mueller say, Mueller investigations say Trump any day bombshelled or was Walzel coming in and used the word all-star.

So you say, every night, they said the same thing.

Mueller's all-star lawyer team released a bombshell, and it looks like the walls are closing in on Trump.

And then when Ramposa came, remember him from South Africa, the little DNC

directions say, use the word ambush, ambush.

He was ambushed.

Ambush means, as I said, you're attacked.

unexpectedly from a secret location.

He asked for the meeting because he knew what he was doing and he wanted to defend himself and he was indefensible.

But no, that was the talking line.

Every single radio T V pod on the ambush, Trump ambushed him.

It's dangerous to be ambushed.

And it's the same thing with Free Palestine, Free Palestine, Free Palestine.

And that'll get you a next role in a movie, or that will get you.

I was watching a clip from 60 Minutes, and we had

the brilliant CEO Parker from

Andorrill.

And they asked him when he sold his $2 billion company to Facebook why they got rid of him.

He was a genius.

He is a genius.

And he said it was because it leaked out that he had given money to Trump.

So, I mean, it's all he had to do was just mouth the, I hate Trump, or, you know, Trump's a threat to democracy, or democracy will die in darkness.

It's all they do.

They don't think.

And so all these entertainers stand up and

say this stuff, mouth this stuff.

Yeah.

Just like an apparatus, Russian apparatch in 1980, a dying Soviet Union.

So they're in a dying

entertainment industry.

And they're,

you know, it's just, nobody wants to say anything about it.

But when you look at Kenya West or Diddy and the people around them

and the people Jeffrey Epstein was hanging around with, J-Lo, all of them.

I mean, they're just

not interested in art or performance or acting.

I think it's not just a dying industry, but a dying party because they're all on the DNC.

And recently we've had a Senator Michael Bennett come out and say that the party is

a dying.

I use the word dying, so, but a dying party.

This is what he said.

I think they're sick of a Democratic Party who hasn't been able to show how we're going to address an economy where the middle class continues to shrink and where over the last 20 years we have actually lost ground in terms of achievement of our kids in school.

We need to address those things.

So I think it's very important for us to stand up against the insanity that Trump represents and the chaos that he represents and show that there's something better.

And I don't think, I think it's a dying party.

So he's going to show the people who voted for Trump how insane they were for voting for Trump.

Still got that same talk-down attitude.

They're mad because of two developments.

The first development was they were always the party of Hubert Humphrey, Bill Clinton, middle-class lunchbucket blue-collar workers.

But they took issues, radical abortion to the partial birth abortion, trans

men, biological men competing in women's sport, open border, you name it.

And they turned off the white working class, anti-religion, anti-tradition.

But they always said demography is destiny.

That was their words.

They accused Tucker Carlson of the great replacement theory, but they were using the same

terms

before he even mentioned them.

And it was demography is destiny and the new democratic Majority.

And that was open the border and bring in immigrants.

We have a record right now, 55 million people in the United States that were not born here.

It's the highest percentage ever, 16%,

just about.

And California, where I live,

what, 27% of the population was not born in the United States.

So that was their whole project.

Destroy the immigration because you'll bring in people who they felt were mostly non-white,

non-rich, poor, without skills, without English.

It was just the opposite of the old meritocracy.

And it was going to be largely illegal.

And I think we have 20 to 25 of those 55 million people who were not born here illegally.

And then what happened?

They turned out to be no different than the working class.

They said, you know what, I didn't come to the United States to see a bunch of biological men, you know, slamming women in basketball.

I didn't come to the United States to see a bunch of socialism.

I didn't come to the United States to see crime everywhere, and they don't do anything to the criminal.

I didn't come to the United States just to see abortion on demand.

They're losing that.

50% of Hispanics they've lost.

62% of Hispanics said they approved of Trump's first hundred days.

So So they've lost that group.

And they think they can get it back because they still have the inner city and the hardcore,

what I would call the subsidized class, people that are on government support

and Medicaid, Medi-Cal, all that.

And then they have the very wealthy, the money.

So when Kamala Harris is nominated, they can get her a billion dollars in 30 days.

They can out

Biden Harris outraised Trump

by $2 billion.

So they have all that money

and they have control of all the institutions.

But that allows them, they think, to be on the wrong side of 70-30 on the border, 70-30 on crime, 70-30 on transgenderism, 70-30 on foreign policy, 60-40 on Hamas, Israel.

So they're wrong on all the main issues, and yet they think that by changing the demography and appealing to the victimized class and their Marxist binary, they're going to win.

But the problem is their victimized class doesn't feel victimized.

They're here to make it.

They want cheap gas.

They want cheap electricity.

They want jobs.

They want foreign investment.

They like the Trump agenda.

So they're trying to use the institutions

to

destroy Trump, lawfare we saw,

just every day they say, you know, they're going to impeach him now.

All that, they're going to to do all that because they don't have issues that 51% of the people support.

So they use the institutions, media, universities, schools, foundations, will get an alternate message.

And what is the message?

Trump is a monster.

He's a fascist.

He's Hitler.

He's Mussolini.

It's not, here's the open border, and here's why it's so good.

Here's why we want gas at $8 a gallon.

We can convince you of it.

This is we have a million abortions a year.

We'd like a million and a half.

They don't say that because they know it won't appeal to anybody.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: No.

But I think that they feel that those things, like keeping fossil fuels at a minimum, are things that are going to change the world for the better so they don't have to be honest, right?

Oh, they think that

they're morally superior so that their means are justified by their exalted ends.

They always believe that.

So you can lie if you

can, but according to them.

You've got to remember, they say, well, Trump only won by 1.5%.

No, that's not the way to look at it.

Trump won the House, the Senate,

the White House.

He has control, more or less, of the Supreme Court.

He won the popular vote.

He won the Electoral College Dash

despite 93 indictments

by Bragg, by Fannie Willis, by Letitia James, by Jack Smith,

after they raided his home to get 102 files out of 13,000 that were actually classified.

That's after they tried to take him off the ballot in 25 states.

And that's why

he did not have the media.

He did not have the foundations.

He did not have the universities.

He didn't have the popular culture.

He didn't have the administrative state.

I don't know how he won, but he did.

And he won because, actually I do, he was on the right side of a series of issues.

And people were sick of all this stuff.

And they said to themselves,

we have no border.

He borrowed $7 trillion.

Biden did.

It was a hoax.

He was just an empty waxen effigy they used to put through this agenda.

And they didn't want a McCain or Romney saying, well, let's not be hasty.

This is a judicious, complex matter.

We have to be sober in our criticism.

They like somebody that said, this guy's our scum.

They're going to destroy the country.

Up to a point.

I don't know where that point is reached, but you might want to tone it down.

But they like the idea that he didn't give up.

Yeah.

All right.

And, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and come back and talk a little bit about Trump himself and some of the things that he's faced in his administration.

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So Victor Trump has had a conflict with a new tech magnate, Apple.

And Tim Cook, who is the CEO of Apple, has been pretty tight with Trump, but now he's building huge facilities inside of China to build a lot of Apple products in China.

And Trump is threatening to put tariffs on those things, which I cheer on.

But I was wondering your thoughts.

Well,

he's a little different than Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg because

his market capitalization of $2 trillion

is almost 50 or 60 percent attributable to his China division.

He's got a deal with China that they allow him to supply unlimited amounts of his products in China.

At least they do until they have completely

absorbed his company.

You know, they're kind of like the blob.

So he's over there making trillions of dollars or hundreds of billions, and he's partnering with the Chinese, and they get his technology, but they let him make some phones.

But when they find out they don't need him anymore, and

that's a hard question for them because they don't know to what degree

they have the talent yet to be creative and have the next generation rather than just steal it.

But he has a basically his attitude about Apple is: of all the tech companies, I'm going to partner with the Chinese Communist government.

They're going to give me enormous concessions, and they have a market of 1.4 billion people.

And I'm going to have that market.

And in exchange for that, I'm going to give them access to technology that they otherwise wouldn't have had.

That's why they want it.

And Trump is saying to him, and Trump's trying to get along with him, he's saying to him, how much more would a phone cost if you just assemble it here?

$100?

And he's saying, Why are you empowering the China?

Nobody's done more to empower China than he has, Apple.

And I don't think that's something that he wants to get into, because I'll give you the example.

Until Harvard locked horns with Donald Trump, Harvard was this, and Harvard was that.

But as I said before, Harvard is like a rock on a hill, and when you turn it over,

there's worms, there's slugs, it's ugly.

And

when Trump got in with Harvard, I know he was a little excessive, but when he turned over that rock,

oh my gosh,

millions of dollars from gutter, billions of dollars from gutter and communist China funding your program.

Oh my gosh, you're charging the federal government 50, 55 percent church charges on federal grants.

Oh my gosh, you ignored the Supreme Court ruling of 2022.

You're still using racial prejudice and bias not to let white males or Asians into your university.

Oh my gosh, you're still rewarding people who beat up Jews.

You haven't addressed anti-Semitism?

Well, the same thing will be like with Apple.

If he wants to get in a big fight with Trump, they're going to say, wow, you paid this much to the Chinese government.

Wow, Chinese tech went up this much.

Wow, this percent of Chinese communications technology depended on you because it's not indefensible what he's doing in terms of America.

Yeah.

Like during the Cold War, you remember

Occidental Petroleum

sold,

had partnered with Communist Russia, and they gave them the pencil

monopoly to make all the pencils.

And Arm and Hammer was the.

And everybody criticized him, you know, for his Soviet, but he was the only one really who did that.

Well, pencils aren't telephones.

What I'm getting at is that

it's not a good thing to be responsible for fueling the economy and

the applicable military technology of someone that wants to destroy the United States.

And if he wants to get in a fight with Trump, that will come out and

people will not want...

I mean,

I have never bought a computer except an Apple computer Mac.

I've never bought a phone except a Mac.

I have a Mac watch on.

If it gets ended, I would just give it all up and go non-Apple.

Yeah.

Because I'm tired of what he's doing.

Yeah.

He's not Steve Jobs.

They had a plant in the United States that was making stuff, and they were making a lot of money.

They just weren't a multi-trillion dollar global company, and they

sold it all.

Yeah.

Well, to continue on things, Trump, let's turn to the court system because as all our audience probably knows, the

courts are trying to block Trump's work.

And so, we have a new thing in Maryland where there's a standing order to automatically block the deportation of an illegal alien whenever their lawyer files a petition before a judge even reviews it.

And that's just an example of the district courts trying to hamper the executive branch's power.

And Adrian

Vermeillu.

Vermeel.

Vermeel stays.

He's the daughter he's the son of the great archaeologist Emily Vermeel.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, she wrote Greece in the Bronze Age.

Oh, that's nice.

And I think his

his sister is a law law professor at Stanford.

Yeah.

And his mother was a broadcaster and classicist and archaeologist at Harvard, but she also broadcasted once in a while the Boston Red Sox game.

Yeah.

And her husband was a famous classicist as well.

I had dinner once with her daughter, but Adrian Vermuel, unlike his sister and parents, is

what's the word for it?

It's not quite right-wing.

It's libertarian or paleo.

I can't quite get it, but he's a very brilliant legal scholar, but he's not liberal.

And he gets a lot of criticism.

Well, his son is, it's his son, right?

Yeah.

Son of Emily Vermuel, yeah.

And his thing was, or what he said was, that they are basically an automatic judicial veto on all new policy by Trump.

Yeah, what he's saying is that of the three courts, Supreme,

Circuit, and District,

that these lowly

700 judges probably 400 of them are liberal, 400 judges are now

the executive branch of the United States.

In other words, Trump can't make one initiative that governs either the interior or exterior relations of the United States without them staying it, even before the case comes up, just as a matter of principle.

So

that's unsustainable.

And at some point,

John Roberts and the conservative majority, and I mean the conservative majority, it's going to have to include Comey Barrett, and it's going to have to include Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

All of them are going to have to come in at 6-3.

Otherwise, you won't have a country.

They filed more lawsuits in the first 100 days than any other

during any other president.

They've filed more than even the Trump people did against...

Biden and even more than against Obama.

So they're trying to hijack the executive branch.

And the American people are baffled by this because they let in illegally 10 to 12 million people.

And the court, there were a lot of lawsuits about this.

Make Mayorkas,

they impeached him.

Make him follow the law.

It is illegal to enter the United States without permission.

It is illegal to reside in the United States without permission.

It is illegal to get identification that is false to justify that.

And nobody did anything.

The courts didn't do anything.

So what now the court is saying,

here's the court's message to the American voters.

It was legal, in our view, that all 12 million of you who broke the law came in.

That was legal to break the law.

But it is illegal now to follow the law.

and make you comply with the law and go back home and try it again legally.

That's illegal.

But when you broke the law and you came in here and you stayed illegally, as far as we were concerned, that was legal.

And I think Justice Jackson in the 1940s, and he was one of the famous justices at the Nuremberg trials, had ruled that in matters of immigration, it was like a guest-host relationship.

The United States did not have to explain to any guest,

legal or otherwise,

why they should go home.

They can just say,

we don't want you to have a visa.

You have to have a visa.

It can be a work visa.

It can be a student visa.

It can be a travel visa.

They don't even have a visa.

But Jackson's ruling was, all you have to do is say,

we feel that you represent a threat to the United States.

And it's not a First Amendment issue.

It's just like somebody comes in your home for dinner.

You have 12 people.

That's not like that because those are invited guests.

It's like you're eating dinner with your family and somebody knocks on the door.

No, it's not like that.

Somebody just breaks in, sits down at your table and starts lecturing you.

And you say, you know what?

I don't like you.

Get out.

And they're saying you can't do that.

We're going to have, what, 12 million lawsuits for people who broke the law, but zero lawsuits for the American people who want them to follow the law?

It's crazy.

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And I know you wanted to talk a little bit about their portfolios of their lives, their careers, their backgrounds.

And then also at Harvard, apparently they are awarding at their graduation ceremony another

anti-Semitic.

Yeah, well, here's the situation.

You have the president of Harvard, Professor Garber.

And he is telling the Trump administration and his donors and the media that this is all cooked up, that there are some problems, but they are dealing with it, that they have a special report on anti-Semitism.

Take one example.

And while he's saying they're dealing with it,

two of the many Harvard students that harassed and pushed and were cited and given community service because they were basically convicted of that, In other words, there was no doubt they were on tape attacking a Jewish student.

One was was a former Stanford student, and he is on the Harvard Review.

So I want to ask President Garber, so you expelled him for doing that?

Because the police sentenced him to that.

No.

You know what you did?

You, being Harvard, and I think you can speak.

If you want to speak for Harvard, then you're responsible for Harvard.

Your law school gave him a $65,000 honorarium.

So he was rewarded for that.

So Professor Garber, if he hadn't assaulted that student, he wouldn't have gotten $65,000.

So you're going to say, wow, that was just, things happen.

I got a big university.

No, your divinity school, there was another student who assaulted.

He's going to be the marshal, that is, honored, the person who is

kind of the grand marshal of the divinity graduation.

So he's going to be honored.

So basically, at Harvard,

President Garber, if you're walking around and you see a Jewish student and you push him around or you call him names or you assault him,

your two most prestigious schools, your law school and your divinity school,

you have a much better chance of getting money or honor from them.

And you're going to go tell the Trump administration that they've cooked all this up in their head.

No.

And you know why it's happening.

It's happening because you brought in thousands of students from the Middle East because they pay pay 110% and they're all on wealthy golf money.

And you understood that your DEI community has a long history of anti-Semitism.

The day after October 7th, the BLM chapter in Chicago glorified the hang gliders that were butchering Jews of that poster.

And before being

BLM, we had Al Sharpton tell them Jews to come over here, get their yaw marks on, on, Freddie Fender's Freddy's market, or gutter religion from what's his name, the horrible preacher.

Oh,

Obama's horrible preacher.

No, Jeremiah Wright, he was the one who said

dim Jews have a special weapon that can smell out Arabs.

And he also, Jeremiah Wright said

that dim Jews won't let me talk to Obama.

And then we had Jesse Jackson who said, hi, me town.

Yeah.

And so

Farrakhan, Louis Farrakhan, was the one who said it was a gutter religion.

So they have a long history in the DEI community, and they feel they're empowered by the Middle East students.

So then they're Marxist binary.

70% of the country are white interlopers, settlers, and that includes Jews.

And 30% are noble victims.

So the Jews have now transmogrified into white oppressors, and that allows somebody in the DEI community, which has been expanded from blacks in the affirmative action paradigm to anybody who claims they're not white as part of that protected.

Then they have exemption.

They're

philosophically, psychologically impossible for them to be racist or anti-Semitic.

And when you have that message imbued through thousands of students, then you get people

who not only assault Jews, but they are rewarded by other students for doing so.

And then you get a president who somebody comes to him and says, you know,

we got so many students from the Middle East, and they're so popular, and they have so many kindred spirits, and we've let this anti-Semitism go on for so long that if you crack down on it, we're going to have riots.

So it's better just to say, there is no place for anti-Semitism.

This is not who we are at Harvard.

Just say that.

And then don't do anything.

And it would have worked, but they got a crazy Trump in the White House.

So he says things

that they just can't comprehend.

So when they're arguing with him, he said today, you know, they're arguing with him.

You don't have any First Amendment rights.

Come on, you know that.

You shout down speakers.

A person's accused of sexual harassment.

They don't give him any rights.

Confront his accuser.

Come on, you know you have separate graduations, themes segregated by race.

Come on.

You know, you let in people on the basis you hire, promote, retain people on the basis of race.

Come on.

We know that you gouge us and you charge us 50%

on federal grants, on your surcharges.

So they have no, nothing, they have all of that.

And so when he's saying, well, let's be sober and judicious, Mr.

Trump.

And Trump said, nah, I just thought about it.

I'm taking the $3 trillion.

I'm going to give it to trade school.

Guys that weld, guys that build, guys that do stuff, not you.

How does he deal with that?

Nobody's ever imagined.

And he probably's on the phone right now saying to

he's probably telling his assistants, give me every federal judge that's a Harvard graduate, law graduate, every district judge.

Now, we've got to file suit.

Now, give me the names of all the big law firms, all the hard.

I shouldn't say, give me, he knows who they are, all the Harvard graduates.

Who's our biggest donors?

And he's calling, and he thinks he's going to take on Harvard.

And it's hard to do that.

Trump just.

Yeah, well, he has every right, or at least everything going for him in that because they're breaking all the laws that we find so valuable, our first time.

They don't have any currency with the American people.

You ask the average American person, would you rather give $3 billion

to Harvard that has a

capital fund or endowment of $52 billion, or would you like to help trade schools and community colleges?

Yeah.

No-brainer.

No-brainer.

And this is from the Harvard, who's supposedly the custodian of the left and worries about the little guy.

Yeah.

Well, I know that at Columbia they've got some of the profiles of those that have been destroying property and threatening people as said protesters, peaceful protesters.

And I was wondering your thoughts on the public.

Those were the women.

The women that were on the barricade.

There wasn't one that went to a public school.

Every single one of them went to a private school, and I looked at them.

The cheapest tuition, I think, was $75,000,

but most of them were $85,000 a year or $90,000.

So

basically, their parents are,

you know, they're paying $350,000 for high school and then probably $400,000 for undergraduate.

And then we're supposed to believe that these people are revolutionaries and that they feel for the oppressed.

If they really feel for the oppressed, they should should just tell all of those students from the Middle East: you know what?

And they also gave,

I think it was the Washington Free Beacon where they lived and how big their homes were.

So why don't they just say, we have seven bedrooms and you're an oppressed person, just come home and live with us.

And bring your friends over from the Middle East from time to time so they can teach us.

They wouldn't do that.

No, not at all.

I've been to Gaza and I've been to the Gaza Fence

and

I've been all over the West Bank and I can tell you that when you step from one across Gaza into

Israel, it is a different situation when you go into the West Bank.

And I'm not talking about Israeli oppression.

No.

No, it's very different.

It's a modern state with modern legal codes that protect the rights of individuals in Israel.

It protects the rights of women.

It has an independent court system, a weird court system, but it's independent.

It has regularly held elections.

It has a free press.

It has an independent, as I said, judiciary.

It has protections of freedom of speech.

There's nothing like that in Gaza or the West Bank.

No.

And there's no idea of a free market economy.

It's all tribalism and client and concierge economy.

I've been reading lately these newspaper writers that have been lamenting that if the Gazans had been smarter, they could have had what Dubai has or built a modern state.

And I was thinking while they say that, no, because you really have to have a whole value system, and they clearly do not have the value system to foster a capitalist class.

Why isn't Tijuana in San Diego?

Why is it sewage floating into San Diego?

And the answer is not racial.

It's not because we know when Mexican-American people come here, they do well once they're acculturated.

And the answer is that Mexico does not have an independent judiciary, it does not have a Bill of Rights, it does not

have property rights as we do, it does not have

patents and copyrights like we do, it doesn't have protections for a free economy, it doesn't have any of that.

It's not law-abiding, it has gangs that control a lot of it.

It doesn't

matter.

Well, I live in Central California where we've had 10 million illegal aliens.

So when you have thousands of people who come across the border without acculturation, integration, assimilation, and the first message they get when they come across the border is, we don't care about our country.

Come in.

Second one, they say, stay here, we don't care.

Third one, oh, you need public assistance.

Then they get

one, two, three strikes.

They have contempt.

And that contempt is expressed.

So all of a sudden, during the Biden years, people in my little community drive out, and they think, you know what?

This country let me in.

They didn't care.

They have no honor.

They let me do whatever I want.

I've got all this public assistance.

I'm not going to pay $60 or $80 or $100 a month for garbage service.

I'm just going to take it all in and drive out at 2 in the morning to the nearest little orchard and throw it in there.

And that's what they do.

And somebody's going to say, Victor, that's racist.

No, it's not.

I look at all the stuff that they throw in.

All the literature, all the receipts are all in Spanish, except the address.

Yes.

They weed out any notion where you could find them.

I know.

I wait through it.

I wait through it.

And then the same thing with animals.

Oh, well, I have a dog.

I think I'll just throw it out the window.

And so it ends up at my house.

Yeah.

I think I counted once

since the last 40 years, I've had about 25 dogs thrown out the window.

Yeah.

At least.

Yes, at least.

They come in starving.

They have no shots.

Yeah.

They have no license.

They have

nothing.

And then you spay them, you spend three or four hundred dollars, put a collar on them.

Yes.

And they seem clever enough to take their address off of all of their

garbage.

They're not clever enough.

They, I'm talking about illegal aviants.

I know, exactly.

And they, when I walk on my property and I turn the corner and somebody's got an AR-15

and he doesn't speak English and you ask him why he's here and he doesn't answer, just kind of gives you the 100-yard stare.

You ask, why, how did he get here?

Yeah.

Or if you go a quarter mile down the road and it's 110 degrees and you see two horses out in the middle of the pasture roasting almost, right?

You think, who would treat a horse that way?

And you think, it's none of my business.

Or a a building inspector comes and you've followed every code and you're putting in solar panels.

And he says,

you're six inches off on the edge of the roof.

Please tell the contractor.

Or

you put a heavy-duty conduit

casing.

You didn't really have to do that.

I won't.

And then you say to him, go down a quarter mile and there are 45 people living in Winnebago's with Romex with nothing.

And he says to you, I'm not stupid.

So what's happening in these states with the illegal immigration is the law is not applied equally.

We're going to go after the law-abiding citizen because they will pay the fine and they will justify our position and will feel good.

So if I'm driving down the road and I see a guy and he's going 70 miles in a 50-mile zone, I'll pull him over.

If he's a U.S.

citizen and he speaks English, I'm going to cite him.

And that makes me feel like I'm enforcing the law.

But if I'm a Tennessee patrolman and I pull a guy over and he's got eight people in there and he looks kind of scary like Albrego Garcia, and I find out that he has no license and he's speeding

and none of the people in his vehicle have licenses and the car is registered to a trafficker,

I can think of 25.

I'm just leave, go.

I don't want to be in trouble.

I'll be in trouble for two reasons.

There's a lot of stuff I'll have to do, paperwork.

He'll be in the system.

And then somebody will say I'm a racist or a xenophobe or a NATO, so I'm not going to do it.

And so everybody knows that.

So there's two sets of laws.

Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take our last break and then come back and talk a little bit about Caitlin Clark in the Women's Basketball Association and non-resident Californians or former Californians.

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Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

You can find Victor on YouTube and on Rumble and on Spotify.

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So Victor Caitlin Clark, who is,

and this is not important to us, but it's important to her other players.

She's white, and we've got a lot of anger at her by black players who are calling her Brittany Griner just recently, white girl.

And so, I was wondering if she was- She said a

generous.

No, I want to be literal, but I won't use it because we don't use that type of language.

But she said

she

that

trash, ething, effing white girl.

And then

Angela Rees, Angel Reese, excuse me, said,

look at the white girl leave the fade.

You know, she left the tumult.

Yeah.

White girl.

If anybody had reversed the roles, there would be a problem.

And then she gets roughed up all the time.

And she's injured now, which may or may not be part of that.

But here's the dichotomy or the paradox of the it's kind of an Orwellian situation.

So here you have

the WBA women's basketball,

and it's been around for years and it's never really made any money.

And it's probably 80% black.

So then there was this basketball star, happens to be white, and she was a spectacular star, more than any other star in her generation.

So she comes in

and she's almost immediately

people think, well, on the one hand, because she is, it would be as if you had a come all-white WBA in 1950 and you brought a black player in who was better than anybody.

You would probably get a lot of people at that period that would be

mean, like Jackie Robinson, when he brought Jackie Robinson, he was a fantastic athlete, but there were people who tried to rough him out.

Well, that's what they're doing to Caitlin Clark.

But the difference is, when that happened, there were a lot of people who objected to what Jackie Robinson had to go through.

Branch Rickey was the owner, and he made sure that any white player that treated him that way was off his team.

60 years of moral improvement and progress, we don't have that.

We have a mostly black group that has people that are systematically in a racist fashion expressing racist contempt that are trying to injure her.

But we don't have anybody in the Women's Basketball Association that will stand up and say there is a systematic racist attack on her, as we did with Jackie Robinson.

So that the question is why?

And that is tricky because, on the one hand, you can look at the gross revenues of the women's basketball, and they're going like this because she's a phenomenon.

So then you would say, well, why wouldn't you want to protect the person who's bringing you all that money?

And the other consideration by the management is, but all of the black players are angry.

that we brought this person in.

Not all of them.

So they're going like this.

But they have to be very careful.

She played every game without an injury, but you look at these tapes.

They are hitting her hard.

She went up for a layup and was pushed.

Now she's injured a ligament, I think it is, and she's not ready to play.

And if they don't do anything, they're going to injure her

and knock her out.

And that's going to be the end of the WBA because two things will happen.

Caitlin Clark, that everybody tunes in to watch, will be gone.

And two, people will not forget why she's gone.

They'll remember why she was gone because the WA

condoned that by not doing anything.

And that'll be the end of it.

And they don't understand that.

And the other thing is, Angel Rees is not this good a player as Caitlin Clark.

But she is...

taken upon herself to be the representation of blackness in the WA.

And no one's ever really called her out.

She confronts her all the time.

But Brittany Greiner is a little bit more disturbing.

Here she went to the Soviet Union.

She admittedly brought drugs in.

I don't know whether they were gummies or something.

They were no big thing, but Putin wanted somebody.

And he's a clever, devious SOB.

So he knew a black person would be divisive in the United States.

So basically,

we were told that she will die in a prison very quickly, the way the Russians treat her.

So

the Biden administration saw an opportunity.

Well, Trump gets people out, but we'll get a black person out.

And there were other people in Russia.

There was a U.S.

military personnel that was there, and they didn't bring him out.

He'd been there longer.

So they wanted to prove to everybody their DEI fee days and credentials.

They were going to bring her out.

So they gave, in exchange, one of the most notorious, deadly merchants of arms, Russian arms dealer, killer.

We gave that back to get her back.

There was nothing in her career that was especially impressive as far as her value, I think, compared to a U.S.

military.

But we brought her back, and she was contrite for a while.

But you would think that, given what her country did for her, we could just ask her for one thing: don't on national TV say out loud,

F white

girl.

It's all we ask you.

Don't be a racist.

And she couldn't do that.

So I think that whole

WBA is in a mess.

It's imploding.

And

when you have

there is no such thing as a rainbow coalition anymore.

When you have 62% of Hispanics expressing confidence in the first hundred days of Donald Trump, and you have 39%, according to the same Rasmussen poll, of African Americans.

There is no intersectionality.

There's people who are worried about class, middle class, and that trumps their worries about race.

And that means they get sick and tired of the Britney Griners and the Angel Reeses.

They don't want to hear it anymore.

And yet, that's all we hear in the media.

So I think that it's a losing deal.

Opposition, yeah, absolutely.

I would never watch a WBA game.

No.

Because I wouldn't want to to see all the racial tension, and I don't want to hear the commentators say this or that.

It's just a mess, you know.

Yeah.

Well, speaking of people who can't take it anymore, Pods, the moving company, those big boxes you can put yourself in, it's Pods, has data on people moving from places.

And here are the big cities that they're moving from.

Surprise, surprise.

Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco are among the top 20 areas.

And so people are moving out of California.

And I was wondering if you're not.

You know, that's interesting because I wrote a column about, I don't know, six years ago, and some

bureaucrat in Sacramento wrote me a letter, Don't Lie.

But basically, what they do is they count illegal aliens coming into California.

And we've had 11 million of them as population residents.

And they'll say, well, look at the residents.

It's the state is actually not losing population.

Or they'll say that the minority communities that came across the border are still having two or three children, and the

ossified white aging group, you know, is whatever.

But

the fact is California, U.S.

citizens are leaving.

So anyway, this guy wrote me from Sacramento.

And

there was on somewhere near Bullard and and Blackstone in Fresno.

So I drove in.

I said, hello, I want to rent a trailer.

And I want to go to Texas.

And they said, we don't have any.

I said, you don't have a trailer in Fresno to Texas?

And they said, no.

And

I said, well, how would I get one?

And they said,

if you have a relative,

you can drive to Texas

and you can get the trailer and you can bring your stuff back on the trailer for free.

And then you can go back again and we'll give you a discount.

And I said, well,

what is the usual charge from Texas to California?

And they said,

well, if it's not free, it's 200 bucks.

And I said, what is it to Texas?

He goes, between $1,500 and $2,500.

So I trust that a lot more than a bureaucrat in Sacramento.

Yes.

But

it's kind of a phenomenon in the Central Valley when you walk around and you just say, what happened to that person?

I haven't seen them lately.

Oh, they moved to Boise.

What happened to that person?

Oh, they're in state line, Nevada.

What happened to that person?

Oh, they went to Nashville.

Oh, what happened to that person?

They're in Houston.

It's just, it's a reverse Oklahoma migration of the 1930s.

And they're being driven out because

it's all about cost of benefit.

They pay the highest income taxes, the highest gas taxes, the fifth highest sales taxes.

And for that, they get schools that are rated in the bottom 10.

For that, they get the highest property per capita crime rate in the United States and San Francisco.

For that, they get one-third of the welfare recipients.

For that, they get 21% of the population under the poverty level.

For that, they get 50% of all people on Medi-Cal.

For that,

40% and 50% of all births on Medi-Cal.

And they're rated unusual by highways, about 49th in the country for safety of miles driven in some of their highway.

So they're paying a lot of money and they're getting little in

return, and they're creating this one-party, bureaucratic, bureaucratic, democratic state.

And its sole purpose is to

create

a huge DEI population that's angry and subsidize it and claim that it's always a victim of racism.

And what they've done is they created a Frankensteinian monster that now has turned on its creators.

So all the Silicon Valley people,

Ben Horowitz, Mark Andreessen,

David Sachs, Elon Musk,

Mark Zuckerberg, some of the Google will think, wow, we hired these people and they hate our guts.

Mark Andreessen said that.

Right, he said it.

Yeah, they hate our guts,

and now they're going to tax us.

We give $9 trillion in global capital to this place.

We run the whole state, and they hate us.

Yeah, they hate you.

And

well, maybe we're going to move out, or maybe we're going to

support Trump.

Or then the people in Pacific Cabal say, well, they burned down.

They wouldn't let us clean the slopes because they said this milk vetch was a protected species.

So the Santa Ana winds came in.

It was dry.

There was all this fodder for winds.

And our mayor went to Ghana.

And the vice mayor was supposed to take over, but he's under house arrest for phoning in bomb threats because he wanted to hurt Israel.

Bomb threats?

Well, we had the water and power director.

We paid her $700,000, but oh, she's the one that let the lake go dry and didn't fix it, the reservoir on top of Pacific Palisite.

Well, then we had the fire chief.

Yeah, but she was more interested in gay issues and was bragging that she had more DI hires than anybody, and she didn't correct the fact there were hundreds of hydrants that didn't work.

Well, how about the assistant fire people?

Well, she was the one to cut the commercial

DEI hire, who said that if she couldn't carry out a man because she was a woman, the man was in the wrong place during a fire.

And that was the group.

And then the Pacific Palisades people said,

I can't get a permit to rebuild my house.

And you want to say to them, you voted for all this.

Don't you realize you inherited a third of an acre beautiful home, but it had toxic materials in it.

You didn't use green substances in it.

And you know what?

Why should you have one-third of an acre when there's homeless people in Venice?

So it would be much fairer if we rezone all the Pacific Palisades with multiple family residences and maybe no garages, that kind of a central plaza where you take the percent.

Yeah.

And that's what you guys want.

Well, they're not quite there, but that's what's holding up the

they want to restrict the size of homes, et cetera, et cetera.

And

it's not going to ever be the same.

Aaron Powell, apparently, the press is trolling Violet Affleck, who is

doing her best, Greta Van Sestern, or not Van Sestern, sorry,

the screamer in the Netherlands, Greta Thunberg.

And she is saying that the fires were due to climate change and wealthy people, not

she's wealthy.

I know, exactly.

And she flies across the country in a carbon-spewing jet.

But it wasn't because of climate change.

I teach at Pepperdine, and I can tell you that in the late fall and early winter and a semi-dry

year, you get near the Malibu Hills.

Yeah.

And all of a sudden, around 6 o'clock at night, that wind comes up.

It's 40 or 50 miles an hour.

And if you, those grasses are really.

Pepperdine campus was protected because they had a fire and it burned off everything.

They didn't cause it at all.

They tried to stop it.

They saved the campus.

But one of the ironies was when this bigger fire came, it was protected because it had a fire protection plan by accident that saved the campus in a way.

But they wouldn't let them...

They wouldn't let them clean the hillsides.

It's like all the fires.

They don't let people come in and tend the forest because they believe that's unnatural.

They don't want people in the mountains.

They feel that that's somewhere, that should be a reserve, and Sierra Club people and Save the Earth people should be the custodians, and they should be able to drive up and have a great, unspoiled weekend inspecting the wilderness, Yosemite places, but you don't want Hoi Paloi in there.

They're just too trashy.

They might bring their Jetskis or Winnebagos.

They're loud.

They're uncouth.

They're just, they don't have the proper sensitivity.

It seems strange, though.

We've seen, because I've lived in California all my life, and it seems like we've seen these fires in the L.A.

area many, many, many times, but they've always been able to pretty much prevent them from getting into the cities like they did this time around, which seems strange.

That was the generation that built the California Aqueduct in five years.

Five years.

Yeah.

Not 15 years, $30 billion for high-speed rail from Bakersfield to Merced without one foot of track light yet.

That was the generation that built the California Water Plan, Central Valley Plan, California Water Project,

huge reservoirs.

They did it in about 30 years.

That was the one that created nine UC campuses and 23 CSU campuses.

I think it was 80 community colleges, pretty much like that.

That was the one that at one time people came to California to see what a clover leaf was on a freeway.

And believe it or not, SFO was the model airport in the 50s.

That's what California.

And who did all that?

All the people they hate now.

All the people they hate.

Let's change the name of this person and that person and that person.

They built L.A., they built.

It was the nicest place in the world, and they destroyed it.

All right, Victor, last thing.

Charles Wrangel died at 94 this weekend.

And I was wondering if you had any thoughts on Charles Wrangel himself.

Well, he was an early civil rights figure.

He was very odd.

He was quite heavy.

He lived to be 94.

He had some good attributes.

He was funny.

He wasn't a malicious left-winger.

He was a Korean war vet.

He was very heroic in the war.

I think he'd even been wounded.

But

as he got older, he went into this third generation of the woke DI movement.

So the first was the

pioneer of civil rights wanting equal of opportunity and the second generation was

we want a modicum of affirmative action and help the great society stuff which was pernicious.

The third generation is we believe in mandate of result.

So if we're not equal at the back end and every aspect of our lives,

kind of like what Aristotle said about democracy in Athens.

The thing about democracy you have to watch out is once a man feels he's equal politically, then he feels he should be equal in every other aspect of his life, and it's the government's responsibility to do so.

And that's where we are now.

And he bought into that.

So he became

kind of on hinge at the end.

He was kind of funny because

he would always talk about white privilege and privilege, and then he just parked his car, I think, for like in a Capitol parking spot and just forgot about it.

I mean, didn't pay anything, and they kept saying that car, and they were afraid to tow it.

He was very powerful in the House.

He had kind of a gravelly voice.

He was a very funny guy, but

he was a typical Democrat of the age.

Well, that's the end of our show.

We'd like to thank our audience for joining us.

And thank you, Victor, for me.

I had jet lag.

I didn't sleep, so I'm I'm droopy.

No, you're not.

But we're here in Washington.

Very excited.

Yeah, we are.

And Washington, you know what?

One observation before we leave, that I've been walking, you know, getting exercise this morning and walking in the streets.

It seems like there's not as many homeless in the streets as I was expecting, given what we see on the news.

There was a lot, but there was

less than I was expecting.

Well, compared to California.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you see whole cities of.

homeless.

Yes, California is half of all the homeless, nearly half of all the homeless of California.

And Gavin spent billions of dollars, and now he's blaming Trump for it.

He says, I would have solved the homeless, but Trump's economy.

Well, we're happy to be in D.C.

And thanks to our audience.

Yeah, and thank you to Heritage.

Thank you, everybody, for listening and watching.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hansen, and we're signing off.