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So, Victor, we saw this week that some drones were over U.S.

military bases, and they are telling us that it might be the Russians.

But I was wondering your idea.

And also, Israel as well.

Let's just dispense with both of these very important stories.

Well,

this came up when we had the Chinese balloon.

And and there were reports, unconfirmed, that some of the

Chinese said that they were not transmitting secrets.

I shouldn't say secrets, but I mean photographic evidence of our military installations.

But there were people who said that that didn't mean that you couldn't transmit information like on the internet from people on the ground.

And maybe people on the ground were in contact with it.

And that might be the same thing with drones.

I don't understand.

If it's a foreign entity like Russia.

People have pointed their fingers to Russia.

It's got to be people.

What I'm saying, with all of this open borders in Europe, the United States, there's so many people here, and there's so many people from foreign countries that I think the same thing, there were people that were communicating perhaps with a Chinese balloon that were here.

And I think there's people in England.

I mean, it's not, and then there's the other thing.

We had four saboteurs

in World War II.

The submarine took four Nazi agents, I think there were five of them, and some of them were German-Americans that had gone back and got trapped during the war.

But they landed, I think it was on the New Jersey shore.

People will correct me because I'm doing this by memory.

And they were tried for espionage, and they shot them.

And Churchill shot, I mean, they shot a lot of

German spies in World War II.

Nobody fears that anymore.

So if you're somebody and you want to take a drone and fly it over and they catch you, big deal.

There's no consequences to it.

There's no consequences to anything anymore.

And that's why,

you know, Andrew McCabe was on television.

I was watching him and he was saying, well, you know, these people try to shoot Trump.

They go after everybody.

It's no big deal.

They do that because there's no consequences.

It should be a felony to threaten somebody's life because there's an epidemic right now.

They threatened Lee Zeldon.

They threatened J.D.

Bance.

They threatened Pete Hexeth.

They're threatening these appointments.

They've threatened Tom Holman.

And

this

defunct, inert FBI should stop spying on parents at school board meetings or anti-abortion and actually go because that's a federal offense to threaten a federal official.

And they should do that.

We need to restore, is what I'm saying, deterrent.

So nobody in their right mind would ever send a drone over a U.S.

base because that would be synonymous with 10 or 20 years in prison.

Yeah.

Since you brought up Tom Holman, that was going to be a later subject.

But what I noticed this week, because he's getting a lot of press for his

support of the Trump agenda and his willingness to support it.

And I noticed this week he said that he's more than willing to put the Denver mayor in jail for trying to conceal illegal aliens from him because that is a felony.

And so maybe he's one man that is going to be willing to do some of this stuff.

All these people just talk so grandly.

We're going to stop this.

I mean, what are they worried about?

An epidemic of lawfulness?

Is that what they say?

Oh, it's going to be, I think Rich Lowry wrote something about that.

That's what they're mad about, that all of a sudden the law will start to have currency again.

So this Denver person can,

this Mike Johnson can posture, virtue, signal, performance art, I'm willing to go to jail.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But your spiritual forefathers are Confederates in the 19th century that said the same thing.

Just like you, they were Confederates that defied the federal government because they thought their morality was superior.

In your case, you do not ever talk about all of these wonderful people who have been murdered, all these poor kids that mistakenly take this drug and get killed by fentanyl, All the people in the Border Patrol that are in danger.

You don't care about them.

All you want to do is from your enclave virtue signal.

This is a losing issue for the Democrats.

It's one of the issues Trump won, not the only one, but probably the major one.

And it's not like the issue in 2016.

And why isn't it?

This entire illegal immigration issue has metamorphosized.

One, we never saw numbers like this.

10, 12,000 people a day, never.

12 million people illegal entries in the last three and a half to four years.

The sheer magnitude has shocked everybody.

In 2016,

nobody connected, as they do now,

80 to 100,000 American deaths with fentanyl.

or sex trafficking with that open border.

There's another thing people are not talking about.

Traditionally, the Hispanic community, and that's a vague word for mostly Mexican-American communities, were staunch to open borders.

That's why they, one of the reasons they voted for Democrats.

That's not true anymore.

And it's not true for two reasons.

One, only about half of these illegals are coming from Mexico.

They're coming from Guatemala, but they're coming from Kenya, they're coming from Africa, they're coming from Sudan, China, they're all over the world.

And the Hispanic community, at best, has no ethnic affinity with these people.

And more importantly, they feel that they're hurting their communities by impacting their schools, by spiking the crime rate.

And so it's a whole new dynamic.

And you know, one of the most iconic moments of this entire discussion was when Ronz DeSantis, who didn't get enough credit, and Abbott, the governor of Texas, hand in glove started to bus people.

And when that bus arrived in Martha's Vineyard, and those shocked left-wing liberals their faces and that they were like deer in the headlights and they decided for 72 hours they were going to tell the world that they were so ecumenical, so one.

And they brought those little boxes, remember their little visitor center?

And then they said, now that is quite enough.

Buses, where are you?

We

so long we wouldn't want to be, you know, wouldn't want to be you.

And they left.

And everybody said, well, that is what it's all about.

It's about a bi-coastal, mostly white elite on the coast who are very left-wing and their political activist partners and the media, who, with a lot of Latino elites, think that this is cute and you can change the demography and you can flip Arizona and Texas and Georgia like you did California, Nevada, New Mexico.

They're completely insulated from the consequences of their own ideology.

Their kids don't take fentanyl.

Their communities where they live,

Martha's Vineyard, they're not overrun.

If they really wanted to put their money where their mouth was, the Obamas would have stopped right then

and said, I've got 20, 15, 20 acres here.

I've got a big, expensive lawn.

Bring those tents.

I want all of those illegals to stay on my yard.

I've got 2,000 gallons of propane for heaters.

And I've got seven or eight bathrooms.

We can turn over a whole wing of the Obama estate.

And if that's too much, send them to Chicago.

I got my Obama mansion or my Colorama Washington mansion.

Or Stanford University could have said, well, well, you don't have to do that, Barack.

We have about, I don't know, room for 10,000 people in the summer with our dorms.

And we've got a med center and a law center.

Just send them here.

But they don't do that.

And everybody saw that, that it was so hypocritical.

to virtue signal that you were so

empathetic and you were not a xenophobe and you were not a racist, like all of these stupid MAGA people were.

And then they thought they were going to run on that.

Trump is a dictator, he's a racist, and all of a sudden the Hispanic community said,

nope, I don't want somebody from China, I don't want somebody from Africa, I don't want people anymore from Mexico to come in here with no English facilities, no skills, and they're going to swarm my social service network.

I can't go to the doctor, I can't go see a lawyer.

They have legal, they have everything.

And so, and then the working classes said, all they're here is going to undercut us as far as wages go.

And then the people in the inner city, African Americans, said, these gangs, ma'am, they go after us.

It was just different from 2016.

And these stupid people on the left didn't see that.

And they think now that they're going to replay 2000.

They are so stupid.

They're going to go out and oppose this.

And if you look at it 75 percent are in favor of deportations that is a lose lose i hope they do it because that it's such an elite issue and people are going to say these people are so hypocritical they always virtue signal but it never happens to them it never involves them and that's why they do it

And I think they're put their head in a noose.

They're suicidal on this issue.

Yeah, they sure are.

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excluding, not my governor, but he's yours,

excluding Elon Musk from his proposed program for rebates on EVs.

And so I would like you to account for what you're doing.

Well, he says he's not a socialist, but he said

if Donald Trump cuts the EV

subsidy, then we're going to pick it up.

I think it's $7,500.

But, but, but just the only person that actually makes EVs in California still is Elon Musk.

But we're going to single him out because he has too much.

He sells half of all EVs.

So we're going to single him out because he's too successful.

So he, you have to pay the full price price for a Tesla, but if you can get a what?

Volt.

Yeah, Volt.

Well, they don't even make those, do they?

Did they start making them?

Kia or something, we will, a foreign car, so we'll give you a, for a Toyota or a Honda, we will give you an EV rebate over an American-made California car.

And it's only out of spite and anger that Elon, they just, 2015, 16, when he was very skeptical of Trump, they loved him.

And he was a big leftist, they thought, and he was wonderful.

And now they're trying to use the powers of government to destroy his company.

And because that's what they want to do, they want to give a $7,500 price edge against all of his models.

And it's only out of spite.

They don't know what they're dealing with.

Donald Trump will find a way.

He will make a federal mandate or make it up somehow.

He's not going to allow that to happen, believe me.

No.

And this is a governor, remember, who's going to raise the gasoline tax up to about 62 cents.

It's the highest in the country

right now.

And,

you know, we have fourth largest reserves of oil and gas of the 50 states, and we're not utilizing them.

Our production is going down every month under him.

Everything about him is a failure.

He has the on-mitas touch.

Everything Newsom touches turns to dross.

The budget is in deficit.

The streets are filthy.

The infrastructure is archaic.

The

homeless thing is just out of control.

One out of every three people on welfare in this state, 21% of the people live below the poverty line.

The schools are rated like at the last in the bottom five.

They used to be in the top 10.

I think a lot of truckers magazines rate the 99 per miles driven the most dangerous lethal freeway.

It's not a freeway in every place

in the United States.

He's been a complete failure.

And he just doubles down on this failure.

He's not going to be president.

No.

He's not going to do it.

It would be a terrible thing if he were elected president.

Well, is he going to run on Mike on?

Hello, I'm Gavin Newsom, and I'm going to do for the United States what I did for California.

The California model is our future.

Oh, yeah.

He'll try to contrive it so that all the problems he created, any solutions to his own problems, are going to be what he's going to say.

I did this.

He's a child of privilege and he's spoiled.

He's a product of the political nexus of the Pelosi family and the Jerry and Brown Jr.

and senior and the Getty oil money in the Bay Area with proper obsequiousness to the Silicon Valley $9 trillion market capitalization.

That's who created him.

He's never done anything on his own.

He's always been handed an appointment and he usually screwed it up.

All right, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and you are going to talk to us today about U.S.

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Well, Victor, I'm interested in these bombing campaigns.

I just have one question.

How

long did, or when did the B-52 bomber come in?

Was that a post-World War II?

It was the B-29 and then the B-52.

Did I have that?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Hey, audience, we're ad-libbing this, so you have have to excuse me.

Yeah, Sammy, she's got the B-1729 and 52, and she doesn't have to be a bad guy.

Okay, so let's just go for a quick primer.

In the 1930s, there was a contract put out for an all-metal,

all-weather,

four-engine bomber.

No other country could build it.

Japan never built a four-engine bomber.

Germany had a four-engine Condor reconnaissance plane, but they never could build it.

Only two countries could.

Russia couldn't, and that was Britain, who built one of the best four-engine bombers at the end of the war, the Lancaster, and the United States.

But think about it.

They created a B-17 flying fortress, and it flew 1936 and 1997.

And it had the so-called Norden bombsite.

It had all of these double 50 calibers, and it was a very rugged plane.

But it had a range of

about 1,000 miles, maybe 800, depending on the bomb load.

So when they looked at World War II, they kept

B-17ABC, and it was that and the B-24, which had a longer range, a greater capacity, but was much more vulnerable, harder to fly.

Those were the workhorses.

But as early as 1939 and 1940, the Boeing aircraft carrier on the initiative from Hap Arnold said, you know what?

What if we lost Europe?

And we couldn't put B-17s in France to hit Germany.

Or what if we fought the Japanese?

We couldn't reach them from Pearl Harbor.

It's 3,000 miles away.

What we need is an improved version of a B-17, but completely revolutionary.

They can fly 1,600 to 1,700 miles one way and back.

And that was just, how are you going to do that?

And then you should read the specifications.

I did a lot of research for the Second World Wars on this.

They wanted a plane that could fly 400 miles an hour, which was ridiculous,

carry up to 20,000 pounds of bombs, fly at 31,000 feet, and go 1,600 to 1,700 miles in one direction and get back.

Now, they got the specs on the direction, check.

The speed, they could go almost 360 miles an hour, but with a loaded, the cruise speed was about 240.

And they could carry finally 20,000 pounds if they didn't go up to 31,000.

So they started this project

and it was, the problem with it was, once they announced Boeing was going to make a next generation bomber, the biggest plane that was ever, biggest warplane that was ever built, 100 feet

wingspan, 26 feet from the bottom to the top of the plane.

Everybody got in on it.

So all their subcontractors kept saying, well, then let's make a computerized gun system so that one central fire control and the bubble on top can take over the guns.

And when he sees a plane, he can direct all of the turrets to turn to concentrate their fire, even though he's not in charge of any one of them.

And then someone said, well, let's make a pressure.

If you're going to go that far, you have to, people shouldn't have that mask on.

We'll have oxygen.

They said, well, we have an open bomb bay.

Oh, let's make a tube.

So they made a tube inside the plane that was pressurized so that there was some comfort.

And on and on and on.

And so by the time they actually got the plane,

it was so loaded and so sophisticated, it had 25,000 separate parts.

The project was twice as expensive as the Manhattan Atomic Bomb Project.

Wow, that's interesting.

And then in 1942,

they had this Allison Cyclone engine.

that was way ahead of its time.

It had 18 cylinders per engine, 2,000 horsepower.

You could put four of them and get 8,000 horsepower.

The problem was they heated up, they were air-cooled, they leaked, and the first two planes,

the experimental models blew up, they had horrific accidents,

and so by 1942, 43, they were seeing they were not going to get this plane

in time for the European theater.

They told the Germans they were, hey, you guys, we got this huge super plane coming.

And there were some people, this was kind of informal, that thought, you know, at some point we're going to get an atomic bomb because there was a simultaneous manhat.

And this was the only plane that could carry it.

It had to be modified for it.

So they finally came online and the only places they had that were within 1,600 miles of Japan by late 1944

were India.

and China, but they couldn't supply.

They had to fly in the gas, the bombs, in the case of India, over the Himalayas.

And then they had to fly up at 30,000.

So they discovered that when you load that plane up with eight or nine, just not 20,000 pounds, eight, nine, or ten, and you go high, high, high, high, you burn the engines up.

And then when you get up to 31,000 feet, you try to bomb, you can't see anything.

And the Norden bombsite improved version was not that accurate.

So they were going to Japan with 50, 60, 70 planes and the first missions from India and China, and they were an abject failure.

This is with the B-29.

B-29.

So then General Hansel was removed.

And they had, the reason that they took, we talked last time about the Great Mariana Turkey shoot, the Battle of the Philippine Sea, that was to take the Mariana Islands, Guam, Tenyan, Saipon, because that was the closest large island they could develop that would reach Tokyo, 1,600 miles.

And they

built these fields before the battle was even over.

They needed almost 8,000 feet for the runway.

So they took off and General Hansel was a great guy, was traditional.

We can go so high the Japanese fighters can't even get up that high and perform.

And when they do,

they can't really attack us because we've got 11 men and 10

mounted machine guns and they're synchronized.

So we're invulnerable.

That was the idea.

And they dropped high explosive and they were three, four miles off the target, and they were starting to get a high loss rate because of mechanical problems.

It was so, it was just like nobody knew how to fix it.

I mean, they had a whole crew of mechanics.

Every 25 hours, they had to swap the engines out.

Think of that.

25 hours.

Think of buying a car, you know what I mean?

And

six long trips, and you're, bam, you got to put the engine in.

So then finally, they got a guy that was probably

the most controversial American general in history, Curtis LeMay.

And he was from Ohio.

He had gone a few units short of graduation at Ohio State.

And

he was a George Patton.

He was a fighter, but he was an authentic military genius.

And he himself, as a colonel, had flown 25 missions on a B-17.

And he created the stack squadrons where he figured out mathematically if

If the B-17s flew in a pyramidal fashion, then all of their guns would be able to be enhancing each other.

So they put him in charge, and

they told him, you've got to make this program work, because it's $2.5 billion now, and it will be the biggest fiasco in American history.

And too many people are dying, and they're dying from mechanical problems.

And he tried to do what

his predecessor had done.

He says, it doesn't work.

It does not work because the plane will not go up to 30,000 feet and it's too far and it takes too much fuel and you get over the target, you're there for four or five minutes and they have flat guns that you go down to 28,000, they're fire.

It does not work.

And then they said, well, what are we going to do?

He said, I have an idea.

We're going to go in low, 4,000 or 5,000, like a dive bomber.

And we're going to increase the speed to

300 miles an hour.

We're going to get rid of most of the guns.

And we're going to put napalm in, the DuPont's new product.

And we're not going to worry about the Norden bomb site.

And we don't worry that the jet stream comes and pushes you at three or

these B-29s when they were getting over Japan, they were going 400 miles an hour.

And they couldn't really see the site.

And he said, every good thing will happen.

They will go at 400 miles an hour with a tailwind.

If you're dropping napalm, you do not have to hit the target.

You just get in the general area because the Japanese are dispersing all their factories into individual homes, propellers in this neighborhood, wheels in that neighborhood.

We'll drop leaflets and let them tell them we're coming, and then the fire and the wind will do their work, and we will come in so low their flat guns won't even be able to adjust to the lower attitude.

And everybody said, are you crazy?

You're going to take the most sophisticated bomber in history that's designed to be invulnerable and you're going to put it right down low so everybody can blow it up?

They will blow every single B-29 up that comes in at 6,000 or 7,000.

He said, no, they won't.

They're going to come at night.

They're going to come quick.

And they're going to get out.

And that's exactly what happened.

So on March 9th and 10th of 1945 was the greatest loss of life in a single day in the history of military conflict.

Somewhere over 150,000 civilian military personnel.

And then Name went crazy.

burned out the industrial centers of 11 of the major Japanese cities.

The only reason he paused was he ran out of napalm for a while.

They literally, the ship, and see when the Marianas, they could bring them in with tankers and cargo ships and they would go right into the docks at Tinyin, Saipon, and Gao.

And they literally loaded up the napalm right off the

ships.

And then he did something that was even, he didn't get a lot of credit for.

He started to using them with time-released mines.

So they would drop mines in the harbors that would last for 30 days, 60 days, and they shut down all Japanese shipping.

And he won the war.

And then these same people, they five years later, they went into Korea and they did the same thing to North Korea.

The only problem was by then they had the MiG

the Russian MiG-15 and they shot down about 40 of them.

Every time you shot them down, there was 11 killed.

And

I think I said that to my that story.

My My father joined the Marines with his first cousin that they had adopted.

His mother, he was orphaned.

And the two big Swedes went and one of them hit an officer.

And they said the officer started the fight.

They didn't care.

They said, you pick which one's going to take the fall.

So my father did.

Victor stayed in the 6th Marine Division, got killed at Okinawa.

But William, my father, they said, we're going to fix you.

That's what my father told me.

He said, they said, they pointed the finger and said, we're going to fix you.

You're going to go to Nebraska and these things, you're going to be in an experimental plane, and they blow up, Mr.

Hansen.

Think about it.

So he went there, and he had two crash landings, and he survived.

And then they put him in Tenyon, and he had 16 planes in his squadron.

I think four of them survived, and eight replacement crews.

And he survived all of them, 40 missions.

Overall, he was on the March 9th, and he was the central fire control gunner, right on the bubble where the Japanese planes would try to,

you know, hit that gunner and knock out all of the fire control.

I asked him, well, how did you survive?

He said, I don't know.

I've always been pretty lucky.

It reminded me of that line in The Forgiven by Clenn Eastwood when they said, My God, you killed five people in the saloon.

And Clenny's

William Money is the character he's playing.

And I don't know.

I've always been pretty good at killing.

I don't think my dad felt really bad later because he could smell, I mean, he said that they could actually smell human flesh.

It was horrific.

He had a lot of problems the rest of his life about it.

But somehow he came through crash landing at Iwo, emergency landing at Iwo.

They almost fell off Tenyon.

He shot down three.

I have the certificates.

He shot down three Japanese fighters.

So

it was successful.

That's what really prevented.

Everybody said the atomic bombs, you know,

precluded the invasion of Japan.

I think it's a little bit more intricate about.

It was Curtis LeMay.

They had destroyed 80% of the industrial production of Japan.

They had mined all the harbors.

And LeMay had kind of a grotesque agenda because they had taken Okinawa, it was declared secure in the middle of June 1945.

And he thought that he could put another 2,500 B-29s for a grand total of 5,000.

Instead of going three or four times a week, that 3,200 miles, he was going to go once or twice a day,

350 miles from Okinawa to Tokyo and back.

And then he said, why not bring over some B-17s?

And the British said, well, we got some Lancasters.

They're all sitting idle.

Germany surrendered in May 9th.

So the idea was they were going to have 10,000 four-engine bombers, only 350 miles, and they would have destroyed Japan.

And it was just the dramatic effect of the atomic bombs that made them surrender, but

they would have had the same effect, but with a lot larger loss of life if they'd continued the incendiary campaign for Mohammed.

Sure.

Didn't they destroy or kill over 100,000 in two nights, March 9th and 10th?

Even more than that.

The Japanese claimed 200,000.

I think

the bombing survey after the war said 130, and I think now scholars suggest maybe somewhere between 100 and 50,000.

I think Dresden was 45,000.

Hamburg was 35,000 or 40,000.

It was much worse than Dresden or Hamburg.

And

LeMay said, I dropped leaflets, I told everybody to flee, but where were they going to flee?

It was cold, it was March, April.

He said, if we had lost the war, they would have tried me as a war criminal.

He was the one that was the model for Dr.

Strangelove,

General Turgensen, you remember?

Yes.

When he says, when they ask,

well, what will happen with the nuclear weapons?

I mean, even if we get through, that won't some of theirs get through.

And he says,

I'm not claiming we're not going to muss up our hair a little bit.

But that was kind of unfair, the cigar and all that.

And that was a brilliant movie, but it gave an unfair portrayal of Curtis LeMay.

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So, Victor, the

Kamala campaign and campaign advisor David Fluff have recently admitted that

they never let out that their internal polls never showed Kamala ahead.

And so that's the news.

Yeah, I really resented that because

as the news agencies have pointed out, and as I remember, he was telling everybody, remember the campaign of joy and the boom and the relief that Biden was gone, this brilliant coup that Nancy Pelosi

and the Obamas pulled off, and then they said she was soaring.

We know now that she was never ahead and we know that when he said our turnals, our internals, our internal polls confirmed that when they were interviewing, he knew he was lying.

He just said he was lying.

He just said that our polls were at odds.

We never were ahead.

And so she gave that little, what do you would call it, a post-mortem kind of confession, 30-second speech.

I've never seen anything like it.

She did this video.

She came back from Hawaii.

She looked disheveled.

She didn't have their makeup the same way, or her hair, and

she looked like she was groggy.

And then she just kept, you don't ever let them take away your power.

What do you think?

They voted, Camela.

They had the power.

They took away your power.

You're out of a job.

What don't you get about that?

The people spoke.

They have the power.

You're out of a job.

Whereas Donald Trump said, get out of here, you're fired.

So I didn't understand it.

It was pathetic.

She said she was proud of the race she ran as well.

I don't think so because there's a storm.

All of these big fat cat Democrats are saying, my gosh, we gave a billion and a half dollars.

They just, they couldn't walk across the street without winning the jet.

They paid Al Sharpton and MSNBC.

No, Megan Kelly's so wonderful.

She said she's really going after that.

that Al Sharpton got $500,000 for his crooked association.

Whatever it is, I don't want to disparage it, but it's a joke.

And

he didn't apprise his employers when he did this interview with her.

Kamala, don't you think

that the opposition to you is because you're black and a woman and there's racism?

Yes.

And what was he going to say when she was handing him under the table $500,000?

It was so unethical.

And she gets a pass, he gets a pass.

The whole crooked...

They had a guy on there, he was on the news, and he just said, you know, if she can't run a campaign, she can't run a country.

And again, as I said, it's the worst campaign since Judge George McGovern with one big asterisk.

George McGovern was a heroic bomber pilot and a sincere person.

She's not.

Well, what gets me is that she thinks she's going to run for governor of California and nobody was going to give her money.

Would you give her, I wouldn't give her money.

Well, of course we've been mining.

If you wanted to give her money, you'd say, okay, Camilla, I'm giving you money, and

I know you're going to give

Oprah another Montecino wing on her mansion, or you want to give Beyonce and JC a couple more Mercedes.

That's what you're doing.

You're just turning it over to all those entertainers and celebrities that will do phony interviews with her.

And she's hand in glove with it.

I wouldn't be surprised.

I mean, well, I won't even go there, but it was so mis.

I don't believe that you can go through a billion and a half dollars in a hundred days.

If you do the math, the PACs and the direct money that she has, it's just, you know, you're talking,

it's not a million a day, it's a day, it's 10 million a day.

You see what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And it's just impossible to even fathom.

And Donald Trump, he was so,

you know, I know that's an overused simile.

I did a tweet today about it, but he's kind of beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

He's Roadrunner.

Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

And she's Wiley E.

Coyote.

And she just sits there.

And then finally, if you remember those Roadrunner cartoons, Wiley Coyote kind of puts his hand on

his coyote jaw and he's like, this is amazing.

He kind of has an admiration for Roadrunner.

And they take up every diabolical thing to destroy Roadrunner.

Remember, they saw off trees that he's sitting on, and they put bombs on it.

It's just like

taking him off the ballot, the lawfare, the impeachment.

And it didn't work.

It all failed.

In fact, it made him stronger.

There's a really weird sense in the country right now that it's a good time to be alive.

I was thinking that the other day, yesterday.

It's really exciting.

It really is.

It's not like 2016 or 2020.

He's got a determined group of people that really think, I don't know if they can do it, because

all the odds are against them, the media, the big money, the administrative state, but they want to be in the middle of the day.

All the court cases they're going to do.

All the court cases, the liberal justices.

Biden, you know,

I'm of two minds.

They want to put her in there for the last, I said that a bunch of times.

I got a lot of kind of nasty email.

Victor, are you indulging in conspiracy theories?

Because I said that twice.

I think they want to say that she was the first woman president.

She's She's an incumbent when she runs again for a while.

And they're going to, as much as they leak that Joe Biden was fit as a fiddle and strong as a horse, they're going to leak that he's completely demented.

And when he was,

you saw that speech he gave two nights ago, that was spoken in some language other than English.

It wasn't Spanish, it wasn't French, it was, I couldn't understand a word of what he said.

It was like this.

And you're saying, you know, I didn't really just go.

I was like,

okay, what did you say?

And everybody looked around like,

he didn't say a word.

And then he walked off into the Amazon jungle.

It was weird because they cut the feed, so you never saw him come back out.

So the comedians kept thinking he's still,

he's like that old Kingston Trio song.

Remember that?

You don't, you're too young.

The Kingston Trio, MTA, MTA, he's never been he's it was a joke about the subway in Boston that he's never been seen again.

He goes in there and he can't get out.

He's in the jungle right now because we never saw him come out.

But maybe they're going to try to put her in for the last 30 days.

But that even

I'm not sure that he's going to physically or mentally be able to do it.

The only thing I can think of is he's going to have one day

photo ops in his basement.

He is not able.

When you see him, it's just sad.

And to think what the Democrats did, they pulled this charade on us.

They put

this challenged, cognitively challenged person from day one, just so the Obamas and the hard left could use him as a cheap veneer and convince everybody he was old Joe Biden from Scranton, he wouldn't open the border and he wouldn't work with Sorrell's attorneys, he wouldn't commit law.

He did.

He was just...

One of the darkest moments in American political history.

It really is.

Yeah, it makes you wonder why they didn't put Kamala in earlier, because it seems to me that they should have just pulled, you know, threatened him with the 25th Amendment, got him out of the way.

They tried.

No, no, no, no, no.

They tried in late 2023.

People went to Joe and asked him not to run again, the Obamas.

It was Jill Biden,

the media said, Jill, Dr.

Jill.

Oh, really?

And Hunter, who said, no, no, he's going to run.

But if they had had him not run, they would have had an open primary.

Yeah.

Or they had one last chance, and that is when they got rid of him.

They had a brief, that was that pathetic,

Joe Manchin really thought he might run, you know, as a centrist candidate.

He said, I might run, you know, but it was all fixed.

There was no

open convention, but they had a chance to get somebody.

But then when you look at it, there was a poll yesterday that

polled people right now,

who would you vote for after the election.

And she lost, I think, by four points in the poll.

But then this is interesting.

They asked other Amy Kobuchar, Josh Shapiro, Gavin, every one of them polled less than she did.

Yeah, I was going to say the bench is no shit.

No,

it's a good bench.

Nobody would have beaten Donald Trump.

That was sad for Nikki Haley.

I kind of wince when she wouldn't give up on those last

weeks of her campaign.

I like her, but I was very critical in print once because her narrative, her theme was, he can't win.

He cannot win.

And I'm thinking, yes, he can.

All they have to do is keep trying to destroy him, and all he has to do is resist.

And he's getting

millions of dollars of free media.

He's a political genius.

He's going to these areas of New York where the courts, these hearings were held with their sport people.

He's with the people.

And he's got the mug shot.

And he's the person of the people.

He's completely turned politics upside down.

Gosh, I keep going back to that image of him going in Madison Square Garden after the election with Dana White and Joe Rogan and RFK and Mike Johnson.

It was like a menagerie.

You know what I mean?

It was like anybody can participate.

This is not Mark Mitt Romney's party.

This is not George Will's party.

This is not John McCain.

It's just anybody who's sick of what they're doing to the country,

you name your issue, we're here for you.

And

it's kind of exuberance that's happened after, he's polling like 55% approval.

And people are, after all the negative publicity,

I'm kind of worried he's soaring so high that you can't maintain that.

And I wrote an ultra-piece on the website about the strategy behind Matt Gates, and I floated this.

Not that I, and we mentioned it with Jack, but I'm not convinced that he did that.

Three-dimensional chess, that

Matt came to him and said, I'm going to have a terrible ethics thing.

I might be kicked out, censored.

Can you appoint me?

I won't get confirmed.

I'll go up.

I'll cause a firestorm.

They won't look at Pete.

They won't look at RFK.

They won't look at Tulsi.

I'll bring all the fire on me.

I'll never get out of the committee.

I'll either have to resign or the committee will refuse you.

You won't embarrass any of the Republicans to have to be on record voting for me.

Please.

And maybe he did.

Maybe that's what happened because it should look like he quit right immediately.

And what happened?

The people in the House are happy.

There's going to be a good conservative that's going to be elected in his steed, in that seat, very quickly with Ron DeSantis.

And all we heard about was Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt.

And now people are saying, okay, you guys, you got your scout.

But we're not going to let you SOBs do this again and again.

So we're drawing the line with Pete.

Pete.

They're going after him.

Yeah, they are.

So that'll be interesting.

There's another article today in American Greatness written about Pete Hegseth and the accusations.

And it goes through the whole case.

It just makes the same point.

One of the strange things about it was,

and I don't want to be too graphic to our audience, especially because I've been remonstrated before by being too graphic.

Justly so.

What?

Justly so.

But in the testimonia that she gave the investigators of the Monterey Sexual Unit of the Police, she says that after the assault with Pete, in which there was no prophylactic used, she says,

then she didn't report it the next day, the next day, the next day, not until four days.

And that came that she must report it because she had sexual intercourse with her husband, but she had a condom with her husband.

So.

what does that mean?

I don't know.

And that

fact

shocked her into then going two days later, I think six days in total,

to say that she was sexually assaulted to go have a raping.

Think about this.

After you've had sex with somebody else, then you're going to say that the person prior to that sex act, you're going to be tech that you were assaulted and raped?

Is that why she had it?

Everything about that story is completely incoherent.

That's not going to hurt him.

The only thing that's going to hurt him is if they can find out, you know, something more.

They've tried, they've said he's been married three times.

You and I talked about that.

Matthew Ridgway was, etc.

This sex thing's not going anywhere.

No more than Tara Reid, and Tara Reid had a lot more credibility than this Jane Doe.

I don't even think the fact that he hasn't led a corporation, he hasn't been a CEO, he hasn't been a general,

given

what we know what CEOs do as cabinet officials, we just have Rex Titlertson.

And we know what four-star generals do, we have John General Kelly.

And so those aren't recommendations as far as requisites.

Yes.

His war on warriors is what getting what they're doing now, he wrote four best-selling books.

And one was on classical education, one was on the left, DEI.

And they're going through all that thousand pages.

You know, he's probably got 400,000 words, 500,000.

And they're looking to see exactly what he wrote.

And that's what they're doing.

They're bringing that up.

Because he said women wouldn't perform well in combat.

I've heard generals give lectures for the last 20 years and say that before DEI came in.

All right, Victor.

And so speaking of cases,

the last thing I wanted to talk to you about was we know these things, and we've been talking about these things about the January 6th investigation, but now they've finally come out with the formal admission that Trump did offer National Guards in anticipation of a protest on January 6th, and he was turned down.

And that Officer Byrd

had prior disciplinary and training issues that included a 33-day suspension for a lost weapon.

And finally, these reports have come out.

And I think what I'm worried about is this seems to be what the government does in general, but the left did, is to allow a whole bunch of time in between.

And then all of a sudden, wow, and then it's no news.

But

they've been lying.

They've been lying.

Yeah, they've been lying.

And one of the, it's kind of the Fauci at large or Fauci on steroid syndrome.

Fauci, remember we talked about,

was so secretive and so careful to have redacted not turn over his internal communications right after the discovery of COVID in China and its lethality and its trajectory to here, then he was trying to, remember there was this exchange where they said, well, do you think the lab had anything to do with it?

And he, and that was damning, he tried to suppress it.

And that explained his whole career.

What explained the hatred of Donald Trump and all the law affair this year, it wasn't just they always hated him.

They hated him in 2016, the collusion, the laptop disinformation in 2020.

It was they were thinking, my God, we tried to destroy him.

And if he comes in in 2024,

And look what we did with the archives, and we kind of rearranged them and took pictures and we let Biden off for a greater offense.

And he's going to look at Nathan Wade and that

November date was at the White House and then the same day Coangelo resigned and the same day they picked Jack Smith they're going to subpoena they have all the internal communications and then

they're going to go look at take another look at January 6th and they're going to bring in maybe Matthew Rosenberg and say what did you mean when you said there were all these FBI undercover agents and they're going to look at all of the destroyed evidence of the January 6th committee they're going to it's not going to be pretty it's going to give you a little different view of January 6th.

It was not an insurrection.

It was a buffoonish

demonstration that got out of hand.

But you don't try to overthrow the government when not one person is armed inside the Capitol.

And then I think they're going to look at the other thing that's really strange.

Donald Trump has got, I don't know what about it, he's got a Nostradamus streak about him.

He can predict things.

But if he hadn't got in with the Kraken and all of the Dominion computers, there was something always weird about that election, 2020.

And

it was all a result of this massive deliberate transfer.

So 30%

absentee ballots goes to 70%, and then the rejection rate is a magnitude less.

Ten times fewer ballots are rejected, even though you have double the mail-in plus, double-plus.

And when you look at it, you know, I know that the vote in the last three weeks is creeping up, of course, for Kamala Harris.

I think

he's down now to 49.9 or something from 50.8.

But they still,

they were talking about the four.

There's still 4 million ballots that you cannot explain.

Only one time in American history has an election had fewer votes total cast than the election four years ago.

I think that was 2012.

And that was because of the enui or the weariness of the second term of Obama.

That had Hopi Changy had worn off, and Romney wasn't necessarily a magnetic candidate.

But this time was the second time, and it was of much greater magnitude.

So, what I'm getting at is

something about 2016 to 2020, there was an enormous leap,

which it should be.

But

it fell off in 2000.

Everybody wanted to vote.

This was a much more exciting,

but it fell off by 4 million votes, total cast.

Where did they go?

I mean, Donald Trump got almost exactly the same amount of votes that he did four years ago, in which he lost by three or four points, and now he wins by two points, percentage points.

So people are trying to explain that.

And I think that once they go have power, subpoena power, they're going to bring in everybody and try to look at that.

The left keeps saying, oh, he's going to go after us.

It's going to be the end of the world.

And that is 100% projection.

Again, it's their thinking, if I had done that to Trump, and I was Trump now, and he thought like I do, and I had the power, I would go after people like me for what I did.

And therefore, he must be going after me, even though I don't think he is.

No, I don't think he will either.

It will be weird.

I don't know.

Do you think they really will investigate the 2024 votes that were being

cast that were illegal?

The first thing he's going to do is

he's going to pardon all the people who did not commit an act of violence against a police officer, and he's going to let them out and pardon them.

There's still, some of them are in solitary.

Some of them hadn't even gone to trial.

And that's juxtaposed with 14,000 14,000 people arrested in 2020, and they let them all.

These were for arson, assault.

It was horrific.

And the people will be with him on that, too.

I think he'll probably pardon Hunter.

Yeah.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump did that.

But last thing, because I asked you at the beginning of the show, but we didn't get a chance to answer it, and that is Israel.

It seems that Israel has hit a Hezbollah armory or something.

Some missile factory where they actually assembled parts shipped in from Iran.

And nobody thought they'd ever find it.

They knew it existed, but they found it and they used a bunker.

They blew it up.

Wow.

And they have

almost emasculated Hezbollah.

And the big story there is that there's a lot of accounts coming out from the Middle East.

That are pretty amazing that people in Lebanese newspapers are openly writing op-ed writers' letters to the editor.

Their disgust with Hezbollah.

They've done $20 billion

of damage to Beirut's infrastructure, highways, bridges, electrical cables, power, sewer,

all of that, to get those

grandees in Hezbollah when they killed them in those, when they took out those apartment buildings.

And the people in Lebanon are blaming Hezbollah because they're sick of them hijacking their own country.

And they said, you did this.

And the Shia Hezbollah supporting is not a majority of the population.

So the Hezbollah thought they would get empathy.

And they said, you started this war.

You had to get 150,000 rockets, missiles from Iran, and then you just had to keep shooting them into Israel.

And then you just had to join Hamas.

And then you just had to plan that you were going to do a bigger murder raid than they did.

They had a plan.

Golden area.

And you did that.

And you knew that we were going to be the ones that were

responsible for you, and they were going to go after us.

And I think it's been the world is changing.

That's what's so frightening.

I mean, it's frightening, and it's exciting that if we had this conversation with a foreign diplomat from Europe or an expert on the Middle East in the State Department, and we started to talk to them a year ago, they would have said, Well, you don't understand, Mr.

Hansen.

Hezbollah is

the most

successful, lethal, dangerous terrorist organization in the whole Middle East.

Look at them.

They have 100,000 cracked troops.

They have 150,000 rockets.

Nasrallah is an evil genius.

You can't mess with those people.

And Iran, it may have the bomb now.

Who knows?

And they're unpredictable.

And Hamas, well, you know, you don't want to go into Gaza.

And Lebanon is the graveyard of the IDF.

We've known that from history.

And then you said, what if you said,

yeah, and they're crazy, and Hamas will try to do something stupid and when they do, they're going to level Gaza because Hamas is going to hide under the hospital, schools, and mosques.

And then when they do that, they're going to go take out all of the hierarchy, maybe 4,000.

And they're going to blow them up with Pagers.

They're going to blow them up with walkie-talkies.

They're going to target Nasrallah.

They're going to target his successor.

They're going to target the successor to Nasrallah.

They're going to target the successor to the successor to Nasrallah.

And then you know what?

If Iran does anything, they're going to take out its whole air defenses.

So, how do you like that?

And they said, well, that's why you're in Selma, California, you ignore them.

That can't happen.

You know what I mean?

And that's what did happen.

And so

we're living in a period where there's no limitations on the horizons of things.

You can think, you can say anything.

Anything's going to happen.

It's kind of a scary, but it's also an exciting time.

And I think there's a very good chance that Donald Trump being unpredictable has frightened Putin in the past, but also

he hates people who lecture him who are weak.

And Donald Trump, he feels, is unpredictable and strong.

And I think he's going to cut a deal with Trump, and it's going to stop the bloodletting.

And when the left and the neocon right start to say he's sold Zelensky out, I think the Ukrainian people, which according to polls, 55% of them want a settlement, they're going to say thank you, Mr.

Trump, because if

we were at the Battle of Stalingrad, we've had a million and a half casualties on both sides, and

they were going to fight to the last Ukrainian.

Thank you.

We'll see.

But I think it's very possible he can solve that quagmire.

Yeah, I think so too.

Well, Victor, a

comment from a reader on your

VDH ultra-controversial cabinet and agency pics,

Elizabeth Herring writes,

speaking of Pete Hagseth, I think, his War on Warriors is an excellent book that reflects my feelings as well.

I'm an enthusiastic supporter of this nomination.

Quote, advice and consent, unquote, is a farce.

for Democrats, never Trumpers, and pearl-clutching Republicans.

It has morphed into obstruction and dissent, a political tactic having nothing to do with the original purpose.

Trump won with mandates on several key issues, the very ones these controversial picks were chosen to resolve.

And Bob Meyer says, I could not agree more.

So, Elizabeth, thank you, Elizabeth Herring, and Bob Meyer, for comments on the VDH Ultra material.

And thanks to our listeners who come all the time.

And the new ones, please continue with us.

Jack Fowler and Victor talk on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and then Victor and I have a show on Friday and Saturday.

And you're welcome to all of them.

We're speaking tonight on the eve of Thanksgiving.

Oh, we are?

That's it.

And I buried Sporty yesterday.

He was 11 years old.

He had stomach cancer.

We didn't want to put him down.

We let him with painkillers stay out here, but I had to dig kind of sore.

I dug four feet.

I bury them in the orchard.

I don't know how many are out there now in the last 50 years, probably 30 of them.

And I always try to go down four feet and put ammonia or bleach or something to stop.

If I don't, the coyotes go in and dig them up.

I didn't know that until I was 27 and did it the first time.

I won't go into it, but I saw a coyote with a body part of my dog, and I went and I could not believe he dug two feet, three feet down.

But anyway, it was bad yesterday.

I felt bad for the...

It was raining yesterday.

I was out in the middle of a

mud and rainstorm, but got Sporty dead.

We got him buried.

Sporty was a good dog, I imagine.

Yes, he had

very large teeth.

He had the Queensland crazy gene.

And that means now that Lucky's dead and

Botty's dead, Sporty's dead, and Gracie's getting close to the end.

I think she's 13 with arthritis, and we just have maniac brainless spike left.

Oh, poor little brainless.

Yeah, spike and he's getting up there.

He's gaining weight.

He's lost his killer instinct.

Yeah.

And

what I did was, instead of invest in other dogs, I'm 71.

You can't really go anywhere when you have five dogs.

So I've been putting up cameras and I kind of read a manual how to do it.

So I think I've got 11 cameras all over the farm and

the grounds.

I mean, you can see every inch so if I was ever I could call somebody if I could go but right now we have all these dogs that no one ever wants to come in because the dogs are formidable

but their their ranks are thinning yes

and

anyway that was Thanksgiving the other thing I was thinking just before we end is

you know you

everybody says you should think about what you're grateful for.

I've been really grateful for having really close friends.

And I was thinking that the other day.

My closest friend in academia was Bruce Thornton.

We went 35 years together at Cal State and Hoover.

I'm very close friends with Peter Robinson at Hoover.

He's a wonderful person.

Scott Atlas is a wonderful person.

I had a farmer, Chuck Garrigas, who's one of my best friends.

He's

not well right now.

And

you know what?

Also, it's very important.

You want to try to,

there was two of my best friends, and I'm not hearing, I mean, kind of a strange.

One was Lawrence Woodlock.

I've mentioned him.

He's a brilliant lawyer.

He was probably the most brilliant student of Greek that I ever met.

And he was a Green Beret, and he had been wounded in Vietnam, very heroic guy.

And he was very conservative, and I was kind of apolitical.

And then I became more political, and he became, I think, more liberal, but I don't know what had happened.

He didn't answer some of my.

I'd like to meet him again, talk to him, because we were, for 10 years, best friends.

The other one was John Heath.

He was the co-author of Who Killed Homer.

That book was very funny, and that humor did not come from me.

I didn't have that talent.

I was kind of dour.

about classics is going to die, but he was so funny.

And

there's a spirit of joy in that book that's kind of irreverent, and he did that.

And he was a marvelous prose writer and funny.

He was the only person I ever met that could go in a class, three or four hundred people, and just captivate them.

The first time I met him, this is funny, I think I'll end with this.

I was taking this very serious graduate seminar in the Olympic

Tetrad, you know, the Nemean Games, the Isthmian Games.

the Pythian Games at Delphi and the Olympiad.

And you each had to give a talk.

And so, but the teacher was kind of boring and kind of sanctimonious.

And I was kind of,

there was Larry there I just mentioned and myself and John.

And John was supposed to give a report.

So

he put sheep in, just like he had that, he had slides of all the sanctuaries,

but

he would put a slide in with a sheep there in a pasture and say, oh my God, how did that get in?

And she said, what is that doing there?

Well, I guess it was in the background.

I don't know.

And he would go and say, no, this is the Tholos at Delphi and this is the treasury of the Athenians.

And we get to Isthme, this is the Temple of Poseidon.

What?

There's a sheep in there.

There's another slide.

It's following.

And he just kept doing it and doing it and doing it.

And I was just laughing.

Everybody thought it was, or they thought it was so bizarre.

They thought it was he crazy, but he was doing this to make fun and make it lively.

And she got so angry.

And that's the first time I really met him.

I said, I've got to be a friend of this guy.

He's a first-year graduate student.

I was two years ahead of him.

And then we started having baseball.

And

he was probably the best natural athlete I've ever seen that didn't get serious and play pre-semi-pro.

We would play, and I was a pretty good hitter, and Lawrence was this guy I just mentioned, was big and strong.

But

John was like 6'1, but gangly.

And you would go out, you know, 300 feet, and he would hit it over your head every time.

He was just a natural athlete.

He had a great sense of humor.

I miss him.

I've tried to reach out to him, but you know, something happened after 2016, the Trump factor.

I was kind of overt that I thought that he would win in 2015.

I wrote, and I had a lot of people who lost confidence in my friendship.

Oh, I see.

Can I be a very nice?

Nice way of putting it.

They just lost confidence.

No, I would say I would hear things.

Victor's flipped out.

He's crazy.

Family members.

He's nuts.

He's for Trump.

He's a black sheep.

He ruined his career.

He shouldn't.

I heard that from her.

I don't know if I heard from those two, but I never heard really from them.

And when you get older, you should really work on friendships.

You just can't let them be passive.

They're active.

So

the people I'm very friendly.

I mentioned Carol Harris, who passed away.

She called me every week to discuss politics and who she could help from the wonderful Harris Corporation.

I really enjoyed talking to her.

Devin Nunes is another person I try to, and Max Nikias, I try to work on that because they're such wonderful people.

And you can't just be, as you're going down the home stretch, you can't let things

just go on autopilot.

So I'm going to reach out to both Larry and John.

I hope they'll reply.

Yeah, they will.

Well, Victor, thank you very much, and thanks to our audience here.

Thanks, everybody, for listening.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hansen and we're signing off.

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