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So, Victor, I thought the most interesting news this week was that we might have a ceasefire in the Middle East between Israel and Hezbollah, and or I guess Lebanon.

And I was wondering your thoughts on that situation.

Well, short term, you can see why the Israelis, they've had 100,000 people displaced out from the Lebanese-Israeli border, so they wanted to get them back.

They went into the forbidden zone.

Everybody said that was the death place of the IDF in past invasions, but they cleaned out.

the Hezbollah cadres all along the border.

They found huge weapons arsenals, munitions depots.

There's some estimates that 75 to 85 percent of the supposed 150,000 rockets have either been destroyed or they've been expended already.

So they had, and then they took out, of course, the walkie-talkie and the pager cadre,

and they've had the targeted assassination.

So Hezbollah's in shambles.

Lebanon is actually privately happy about it.

So Israel's also looking at the Trump Trump administration coming in.

So Hezbollah, from their point of view, is, my God,

we have been completely shattered.

We need time to rebuild or do something.

The people have turned on us, and Donald Trump is going to give Netanyahu all the weapons and free hand he wants.

Each day it gets worse, and our patron that put us up to all this, Iran, has no air defenses.

Anytime they sneeze at Israel, they can take out anything they want.

They sent 500 projectiles, drones, ballistic missiles, rockets at Israel, and it didn't do anything.

Israel sent about 15 or 20 and they took out their entire air defenses.

So Hezbollah knows that.

They think, wow, our patron was a big bully, a big blowhard.

No one respects it anymore.

This administration is going to come in, and the first thing they're going to do is put oil sanctions on Iran.

The next thing they're going to do is tell the Houthis: if you keep interrupting shipping in the Red Sea, you're not going to have a power grid.

And they're going to tell Netanyahu, go turn your attention to Gaza and just tell the people of Gaza you can either have a Gulf-fed renaissance without Hamas, or you can just live like you are with Hamas.

But we're not going to allow you to have that terrorist organization next door to us.

Israel's in the best geostrategic position that it's been in, I'd say, in 20 years.

And I go further and I'd say they have done more for the United States in terms of terrorist relief than any other country in the world, including ourself.

People who were killing Americans in Lebanon, blew up Marines years ago, they've got them all.

And

I think that Netanyahu's talked to Trump and Trump has said, you know,

I don't like war.

You don't like war, so get it done before I get there.

And

I'd like it to be all cleaned up.

Peace, but you know, when I get there, tell everybody that you can do whatever you want.

We'll give you the munition.

I don't see Trump as a preemptive

neocon going in and trying to, you know, attack Iran.

He's not going to do that.

No.

He's got ways of hurting it.

So I think it's a good sign.

And I hope the people of Israel can get back to their homes finally.

Yeah, I was reading another article, I believe it was on Tablet, but I'm not sure, where they were talking about it's a bad deal and that the reason that BB is making it with

Lebanon is because they are afraid that

Joe Biden will slap them with a UN resolution against

Israel.

I think that's true.

And at the same time what's going on is that there is a bill in Congress against the

International Criminal Court that got stalled in Congress also.

So he sees bad politics in the next two months.

Yes, I mean,

Israel was going to destroy Hezbollah, and so a lot of people say, well, you had your boot on their neck and you took it off.

Well, the problem is domestically, he's had these people that were displaced.

So now he's going to tell people, we have a

truce.

You can move back.

They are not allowed to shoot any rockets.

The UN will have a demilitarized zone.

And then he's going to tell Hezbollah, there's no restraints on us.

We're going to have all the guided weapons we want from the United States.

If you break this truce and you start rocketing this, you're going to see things that you will not believe.

And the United States is going to allow this to happen.

And you know what's going to be even more important for you?

Everybody in the Arab world is going to want us to do this to you.

They're sick of you.

And Iran, they're not going to come to your aid.

They're terrified of us.

So if you think about it and all those aspects, it's not a bad mood.

No, not at all.

Well, in addition, in the news are threats of tariffs against Canada and Mexico on the part of the Trump administration.

And those are not being well received by either place.

Well, you know what that's all about.

It's like,

okay,

we told everybody in the United States to vote for Harris.

They didn't.

And the con is up.

We can't just ship any delinquent, deranged criminal we have to the United States anymore because Joe Biden, who's demented, and Kamala Harris, who's a socialist commissar, they're gone.

And Trump's coming in, and he's got all of these levers.

He's got this huge economy, he's got this huge military, and he's got this huge mandate.

So he's telling Mexico, you're killing 100,000 people a year with fentanyl that is deliberately disguised as soft drugs.

So people take it.

And they don't say, oh, that's fentanyl, I'll die.

So the point he's making is he's got a lot of leverage.

This is just the first step.

It's not like blanket taroffs.

It's a

asymmetrical situation vis-a-vis us and Mexico.

Mexico is taking advantage of us.

Count the ways.

They are exporting mostly indigenous people from southern Mexico who are victims of racism and poverty that they will not or cannot help.

They're sending them up here on the premise that the longer they get into the United States, the longer they stay, the further they're away from their poverty in Mexico, the more they romanticize Mexico as an expatriate community.

Obadar said that.

He said, Isn't it a beautiful thing that we sent 40 million people up there?

So they are sending $60 billion

a year to Mexico and $60 billion to Central America.

And where does the money come from?

It comes from the illegal alien who gets a housing subsidy, a health subsidy, a food subsidy, a legal subsidy, an educational subsidy.

I mean, this is a country that flew a murder to Georgia free.

And they don't do that for their own citizens.

And that frees up any cash wages they make from drug dealing or working for cash.

Go to Home Depot, some

suburbanite hires you to to dig some holes, and then they send that money back to Mexico.

And all Trump has to say is, if you send money back to Mexico from the United States, you have to have two requirements.

You must be a legal resident.

You've got to show your legal resident card and we're going to take, no matter what it is, we're going to take 20% of it.

And we're going to use that $12 billion to fast track the wall.

Once you get the wall done, it doesn't mean it's going to keep them all out, but it's going to make it much easier to

utilize manpower.

And

we know that's true because other countries use walls to great effect.

Yes, absolutely.

And

he has a lot of clout over Canada too.

The people in Canada, the provincial governors of the provinces,

they don't disagree with Trump.

They don't understand what Trudeau is doing.

So his little open borders policy means that people go to Canada to get to hear.

Oh, you can come to Canada.

We're liberal.

We're not like the United States.

Oh, you're here in Canada, from China, from Africa, from Latin America.

Go to the United States.

The border's open.

And Trump says, I know what you're doing.

Don't give them that stupid little kid smile to me.

And

there's not going to be tariffs.

They're going to comply.

Because all he has to do is say, you know what, China, you're not going to send all of your products to be assembled in Mexico to get around tariffs and abuse the North American Free Trade Association.

We know it's China stuff that they're putting together.

And furthermore, you're not going to send any more fentanyl materials.

If you do, I mean, it would be just like the 19th century opium wars, where Britain

went to war so they could have their opium to addict Chinese and get a big lucrative export market and make them docile.

And that's what they're doing to us.

It's kind of the renewed opium war.

Maybe it's the revenge of the opium war.

I don't know.

But Trump is going to change everything.

The reason I'm talking so fast, I'm upbeat for the first time in a long time.

I was looking at four, I mean, I thought Trump was going to win.

I thought he was going to win.

Clearly, I said that.

But I was looking at the four years that they did the damage and I was thinking, how can you repair all that stuff?

They divided the country and they created this crazy trans

phenomenon, and then there's no deterrence abroad, and we're hyper-inflated.

It was just, and then he won.

And then, when you looked at his statistics,

he won no more white voters than he did in 2016 as a percentage or in 2020.

You know what won him the election?

It was a like a 25-point jump in Hispanic voters,

about a 10%

jump in black voters, about,

oh, I don't know if those,

it was almost 80% of Native American voters.

He went up about 20% with Asians.

So it was so ironic because the Never Trumpers said that this man is a racist.

He's not going to be my Republican nominee in my name.

He got more, Mr.

Never Trumper, he got more minority support

than

John McCain, Mitt Romney, George Bush, George H.W.

Bush, Ronald Reagan.

So just explain that.

You told America that you were a never-Trumper because he was a racist and he would lose the election.

He polarized people.

And that's what won him the election.

And we were saying that in these podcasts, I would go into town and I'd see people I could not believe that were going to vote for Trump.

Go to the nursery, go to Home Depot, go to the food market.

Hey, Victor, Trump's my man.

The usual

El Trumpo forever.

Guy told me, El Trumpo forever.

Yes.

So, I mean, it was just a different experience.

And the left can't handle it, and the Never Trump.

There is no Never Trump right now.

It's ceased to exist.

They're either crawled away and are non-entities, or they just overtly came out and are leftist.

What I thought was interesting was that I didn't see

campaign signs on lawns for Kamala or Trump in general in my drives around Fresno.

But that was Kamala.

I know that there were some.

But they weren't even putting Kamala signs on their phone.

So that tells you, I know.

That was just a pro forma vote against Trump.

Yeah.

Anybody look?

And Walsh, I mean,

she was the worst candidate since George McGovern and 50 years ago, 1972.

But that's not fair to McGovern because he was a sincere guy, and he kind of recanted before he died about socialism.

He said he believed in the free markets.

He bought a bed and breakfast, and he said it was over-regulated.

He said, You can't make it in America with these socialist policies.

And then he was a B-24.

He flew, I think, 35 combat missions.

He volunteered.

He was a wonderful person.

He was so much superior in every aspect of his character and background than Camilla Harris, but he ran a horrible campaign, just like hers.

She blew through 2 billion now, we know.

If you count the PAC money and the direct,

who would support her for governor?

Are all these money bags in Malibu and Beverly Hills and Newport and La Jolla?

They're going to say, I'm going to write a check to her.

It's just going to go to Al Sharpton and Beyonce and Opa and the NetJet crowd.

And then I saw those little yuppie people on TV.

Did you see them?

Trying to explain the defeat.

They were all blaming each other and they said, well,

we couldn't just take three hours to go to Joe Rogan.

We wanted to.

We didn't avoid it.

We had a lot of press conferences.

It was just denial, denial.

They had 95%

various watchdogs of notice,

Media Research Center, I think the Schorenstein Center, 90 to 95% positive Harris coverage, 90%, 95% negative Trump.

Had a billion more dollars to blow through than Trump did.

The person who didn't have a lot of opportunities to campaign was not Kamala Harris.

It was Donald Trump who was in court for most of the spring.

So they did everything to him, and he won.

Yeah, and I've noticed that these celebrities and elites keep saying that, well, American voters are misinformed or they're low information.

In fact, I just read the bulwark A.B.

Stoddard.

She has a whole article on what went wrong for the Democrats.

And it basically came down to

she doesn't realize her,

she said it's low information voters.

And I was thinking, well, that woman doesn't realize that her attitude about low information voters is what got the vote out against her.

I can tell you, I just talked to an Indian American farmer and a Basque American farmer, big almond farmer, self-made.

They have more intelligence in their little finger and erudition than all these people that are making fun of them.

They look down at the muscular classes.

They have no idea

what it takes to run a 7-Eleven, what it takes to be a farmer, what it takes to have an independent plumbing contract.

Those are intelligent people.

When Sharon Stone, I just got off Jesse right now, and she said,

I mean, they are so ignorant.

She said, this is an adolescent young country.

We're not as old as it.

Sharon, we have the oldest constitutional system in the world.

It's 248 years.

If you go back to 1776, it's the oldest continual democratic federal republic in the world.

As far as we don't get out, she said, we don't have passports.

Well, half the people don't have the money, but as we said on that segment, if you're in Belgium and you go to France, that's like going from San Francisco to Los Angeles.

I mean, you can see anything in the world in the United States.

We have more varied terrain, we have more languages, we have different people, we have more cultures than Europe.

So this idea that you're parochial, we have more different types of food.

And if we're so parochial, why every time I go to Europe is everything in English and all of our, they have everything from folk music to rap.

You know, and I'm just copying us.

They're copying us.

We're not copying them.

No.

So it's just this Malibu,

Brentwood,

pampered, mediocre celebrities that are angry because every once in a while they go out and think, you know,

If you don't vote for me, I'm going to go to Spain, Richard Geary.

If you don't vote for me, I'm going to go to England, Ellen degenerates.

If you don't vote for me, I really promise, really, really, this time, I'm Cher, I'm going to go to England.

Please go.

Don't even shut the door.

Just leave and you'll be with people that will not like you.

I mean, Cher is a high school dropout.

And I'm not saying that education makes you educated, but if you look at the pedigree of these people, when they say that the Americans are naive and dumb, the average American has more formal education than they do.

You go back,

Plato wrote a great dialogue called The Ion,

and he tries to separate mimicry from education and intuitive and analytical thinking.

And he's basically saying to poor little Ion in the rhetorical class and the actor class, he said it in another dialogue about the actors, they're just mimics.

I mean, Robert De Niro is is a great mimic.

He's not a wide-ranging author.

He just plays himself.

A prick.

Excuse my language, everybody.

He's mean, and he's tough, and he's swaggering, and that's who he is.

He does a great job in The Godfather, and what was that, Max Cady in that creepy movie?

The Cape Fear.

Yes.

The departed.

He just plays himself.

And Jack Nicholson plays himself.

I mean, there are some great actors that can play anything.

Denzel Washington can do that.

Marlon Brando could play a lot of different roles.

But my point is that they're mimics.

They're not educated.

They're not necessarily intelligent.

But that's a craft.

It's like somebody who is born and can draw.

It's very impressive, but it's not necessarily a sign of erudition.

It can be natural genius, artistic or genius, but

it's different than being educated.

And they think that they're educated because they have the ability to go up on a set and mimic a character.

And usually, if you look at most of the actors today that are successful, they're good-looking and they play themselves.

In other words, they just find a role and say, that's me, I'll just go in there and play myself.

But they're not like Anthony Hopkins.

Anthony Hopkins, that's what I was thinking.

The three best actors are Anthony Hopkins, I think Denzel Washington, and Gary Oldman.

Yeah.

Gary Oldman, when he was in romance, he was one of the most frightening characters I've ever seen.

And then he plays Churchill.

Yeah.

And he plays the vampire, too.

And Dracula.

Wasn't he the cop in, was it the professional or the true romance?

Well, true romance.

He was

that DEI or whatever he was.

I mean, D-I-A.

He was a narco.

Wasn't he with Natalie Portman in the professional?

Right?

And he goes around and

he plays the cop.

Yeah, I'm not

confusing.

True romance, he's that drug dealer who's crazy.

Yeah, that's right.

And I think he's supposed to be black.

And in the professional, he's the psychopathic

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Yeah.

Crooked drug enforcement.

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you've been talking to some of newscasters about the blue state model and that it doesn't work.

And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about, since you and I live in this blue state.

Well, I brought that up because

the Washington Post had an introspective second of why they lost, they being the left.

And they concluded that they have to be honest about the blue state.

All the bicoastal elite, the beautiful people, the smart people, who tell us, you know, you can't drive a diesel pickup, you can't have, you can have to buy an EV, you got to disconnect your

natural gas stove.

If you have a semi-automatic weapon, as Kamal Harris, we're going to go in and get it.

We're going to get it.

We're going to buy back.

Yeah, well, how are you going to do?

We're going to go in your home.

The abortion on demand of the ninth month, people, all the brilliant people live in these places.

And the problem with these places is they control them.

So

if you want to see homeless people, you go to San Francisco.

If you want to see excretement on the street, you go to San Francisco.

If you want to see mass looting, smash and grab, carjacking, go to Los Angeles.

If you want to be attacked by illegal aliens on the street or the subway and have Albin Bragg side with the illegal alien, go to New York.

If you want to be absolutely broke and the biggest pension debt in the world per capita, go to Chicago.

You might see Juicy Smoliton two in the morning with his sandwich and cell phone fighting off white MAGA racists.

If you want to go to Seattle, you can see your Grunger.

That society is high tax, high regulations, crooked government.

Utopian bromides that don't work, teachers' unions, schools that are being abandoned, and they're run by mostly wealthy white, black, Latino, Asian elites who put their kids in public schools that live in the suburbs and

they don't experience the damage that they do.

And now

they feel, they, the Washington Post, well, that's where this article came from about the Blue States this week.

They feel that it's killing themselves.

They feel, you know why?

People didn't vote for us because we create these models of high regulation and taxes and all of these top-down ideas like you have to have solar panels

in

Fresno, San Francisco, all over California when you're doing it.

You're sending the

excess power into the ground.

You can't use it.

And you're importing it at night.

It's crazy.

Where do they come up with these ideas?

Well, people have come up that

they're just saying, not me, I don't want to be there.

So they're going to red states very ironic because many of the red states that they're going to were states that never really caught up with the big baby boomer post-war industrialization global dominance of the United States from 1945 to 1975 I'm talking about the old Confederacy so

rural I don't know rural Georgia northern Florida and now these places are being played you know that's where people want to go because they're well run They have balanced budget, there are less crime.

And

the blue state doesn't work.

I don't know.

And this is so tragic as a lifelong Californian.

I can remember going up to San Francisco, my parents, we had a 1956 Ford.

And my mom made us buy these little plastic snap-on ties.

And we all got little corduroy jackets.

And

we would drive up in this Ford for the day.

We would go to Fisherman's Wharf, perfectly clean, perfectly safe, everybody wearing a tie.

And then my dad would buy all this food and he'd make sandwiches fresh.

He had a little dry ice.

And then we'd go out to Golden Gate Park and they'd put a blanket.

We'd all eat.

And then we'd go to Candlestick Park, windy and cold, watch the Giants game.

Then my mom and dad would go, let's go to Girardelli Square and have a big Sunday before we drive back to good old Selma.

And it was a wonderful time.

It was safe.

and they took paradise and turned it into purgatory.

They really did.

They really did.

Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about the DEI agenda and what's happening to it now.

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So Victor, there's a couple of things about DEI this week.

And I wanted to just put both of them out there and then you can address them as you would like.

So

we have some studies and one in particular by the Network Contagion Research Institute and then a Rutgers University lab.

And they both seem to be showing that DEI practices can lead to ramped up hostility and racial tension.

And the second story is Walmart is rolling back some of its DEI

programs, but I have to say not all of it, but things like they're not going to use the term Latin X anymore because

Hispanic population

underwear.

Yeah, no DEI words in their content, and they're ending the participation in the human rights campaign corporate equality index, which gauges policies and benefits for the LGBTQ plus, I hope I got that right, community.

So those are some of the things

Walmart is doing to roll back this DEI agenda.

And the study, I was wondering your thoughts on, are we moving forward?

We're moving forward because the people are sick of it and there's no market.

We saw the

Mulvaney commercial, the Bud Light commercial?

Dylan Mulvaney.

Dylan, yes.

And then we had Dylan Mulvaney Bud 2.0 with the Jaguar commercial, which is just incoherent, a bunch of trans.

I don't know what it was.

I kept thinking, where's the car?

It's going to pop up any minute,

any second.

It never did.

We talked about that, think we jack.

So it doesn't sell, but the biggest problem with DEI is this.

It doesn't help.

It's not game.

I mean, I'm looking out this window.

So

this morning I was working and there was a four-wheeler going through and it was two Hispanic guys, right?

And they were working in the orchard.

And then I drove to town and I saw two guys on a roof.

It was raining here and they were fixing it.

It doesn't do anything for those people.

They just treat people as people.

They don't talk about their race.

I'm about the only white guy left on my avenue.

There's hardly any in Selma.

But when I meet Mexican-American people, they don't call me a white person.

It's just people.

It only takes an academic or a media or political grandee to start emphasizing these differences among the elite.

So

these people all are the same people.

A Chris Matthews or Jory Reed

or Rachel Madow, they're the same people.

It's their class, and that's what this election was about.

That's why they got so mad at Mexican-American people, because they didn't follow the orders of these Latino grandees and magnificos and these white Karens, right?

And so that was the first problem.

And the second thing is

nobody wants to be reminded of a superficial aspect.

You're black, black, black, black, black, you're white, wait, white, white, white, white, white, white, white.

And

they especially don't want to be reminded of it by someone who's reminding them for their own career enhancement.

Then the other problem is this is the year 2024.

If you look at, because this is basically an anti-white program.

That's what you can't read that moronic Ta Nahisi Coates, the comic book author, or you can't read Professor Kendi, Mark Milley's author, without seeing it's white, white, white, white, white, white.

It's an obsession.

It's an obsession.

And

the problem with that is that when you read it,

you read their literature, you go to their indoctrination, as a Stanford employee, I have to be indoctrinated.

And you can't just read your, you can't just type on another computer because it's timed you can't skip through it they have all sorts of clever ways because they know every single person left right liberal conservative doesn't want to do it so they have dreamed up all sorts of little glitches and hacks so when you go on that three hour two hour indoctrination session you can't speed through it you just can't do it

it's timed it's kind of like a traffic you know when you get traffic tickets and you have to go on but it's worse But the point that I'm saying is that this is the 2024, and if you look at statistics on

per capita income and you adjust them to ethnic background, so-called whites are like 17.

The top are Indian Americans, and Japanese Americans, and Chinese Americans, and Korean Americans, and Arab Americans, you know what I mean?

And Greek Americans, and so-called Protestant Anglo-Saxon whites, the big boogabo, the big enemy, you're way down there.

And there's more actual white people in the United States that are poor than any other group.

It's probably because they're the largest group.

So what I'm getting at is when you go to those things and they're said, white privilege, white privilege, white privilege, white privilege, and then you get out of Stanford campus and you drive through Tulare or something and you see a white person, they have no privilege.

But the guy that is telling you that he has privilege does have privilege.

So when I go on campus and I'm lectured by somebody who's non-white about how horrible everything is, I check off the car when I see them get into their car or when I think it's great.

I like the Mercedes.

I like the fact they're making $300,000, but I don't like the idea that they're telling me that some guy that's part of the Oklahoma diaspora and Bakersfield is their oppressor.

So every like is not sustainable.

It is a lie.

Class is the great

distinguishing characteristic in American society.

It's no longer race.

And they know that.

That's why they come up with this vocabulary.

They say they're here to stop racism, but they can't find it.

So they always put an adjective in front of it.

It's systemic, Victor.

It's everywhere.

It's like air.

How can we find air?

Because it's everywhere.

Or it's insidious.

It just peeps out and crawls out in weird little ways.

Or you have to have a trigger warning, a trigger warning, because you won't know when you're reading something that it's actually racist.

We have to instruct you because we're experts to show you that kill a mockingbird is a racist tract.

Or you might think, if you were an intelligent analytical person, that it is a tract against racism and segregation.

So

it's like the commissar system.

As I keep saying, Stalin got rid of it because they were losing the war.

And we have thousands of people who are making a lot of money and siphoning off labor and capital from the system, the productive system, to monitor and regulate people, to make them less efficient.

And they have to find racism.

That's why we have so many of these cooked up shenanigans where you have nooses, you know, or you'll have somebody write something on the door of a dorm and nine times out of ten, they're manufactured.

Because without overt racism, there is no reason for DEI.

No.

And it's just when you see this multi-millionaire Joy Reid every night on MSNB screaming and yelling with her dyed blonde hair, right, about all these horrible white people and their

jaded value judgments and their criteria that are all racist, you just think, oh my Joey, Joy, just take a big breath and enjoy life.

Don't think of yourself as black.

Don't think of him as white.

Just get a life.

Absolutely.

It's dead.

DEI is dead.

Yeah, I hope so.

It seems to be dying.

Yeah, it is.

It's sort of like some of the classes that we were forced to take at UC Santa Cruz in the 19.

I was a freshman there in 71, and

they were so crazy that they died.

And if I told people what they were, nobody would believe me, but you had to take them.

But it was ecology of the mind.

Well, what I find amusing is that usually these DEI officers that are checking everybody out to make sure that they're actively doing these things are usually the most emotionally unstable people I've ever come across in my life.

They are.

They are.

They are.

And,

you know, when you have to self-identify, you've lost the argument.

If you have to say, as a Latino, as a white person, as a black person, who cares?

Yeah.

Victor, I wanted to turn to Stanford University.

And I know that Stanford faculty have refused to retract their censure of Scott Atlas.

And I know you know the story there, so can you let us in on it?

Well, Scott Atlas, remember,

this is what is so ironic about Scott.

I've known him for a long time.

He's a colleague.

Scott was probably the premier radio

neurologist.

In other words, the expert in reading MRIs and CAT scans of the brain

and the spinal column to detect cancers.

He was an expert.

He edited a two-volume magnum opus.

And he was the chairman of the neuroradiology department.

Then he came over to Hoover and he translated that expertise into a broad

he's published 100 refereed articles, books, and then he translated that into public health policy.

So he was the person on public health of the Hoover Institution.

So when this COVID thing came along, he didn't go, you know,

Mr.

Trump, I need a job.

He didn't need it.

He started writing op-eds.

And he pointed out that if you continue this complete lockdown that we've never done,

children that were very 0.001% were likely to die.

It was almost,

it was less lethal to people under the age of 12 than the influenza.

But if you take their seminal educational years away from them, you're going to damage them and

you're going to enhance

alcoholism, substance abuse, sexual abuse, familial abuse by cooping people up for a year and a half.

You're going to have people whose lives are going to be lost by missed cancer screening, misprostate, missed prostate exam, missed mastectomy procedures.

And that happened.

So the overall death rate will probably be higher

than deaths attributed to COVID.

And countries like Sweden that opened their economy up and got over it.

And then he was mischaracterized.

He never said the vaccinations were not working.

He just said that when Fauci and Burks and Biden said that once you get vaccinated, you're completely immune from the virus and you can't trend.

That that's never really been true with coronaviruses, that they mutate.

And sure enough, we found out all these variants.

You had to get one booster, two boosters, three boosters, four boosters.

And

he said mask, if you're in, you know, you're in a hospital, that's why surgeons wear masks.

They have utility.

But the idea you're driving down the 99 freeway, which which we saw, I saw every day, people with a mask with all the windows rolled up.

In their own cars.

In their own car alone, it was crazy.

And then somebody yelling at you in the street, you wear your mask, roll down your window.

So he was against all that.

And he went to work.

Trump heard about him.

Rush put him on.

He became an instant celebrity as a counter voice of reason.

So he started to counsel

Donald Trump

the Fauci Burke's

agendas were not based on rational research and rational fact.

And he started to produce double-blind studies from the period before COVID.

There had been a whole literature on masks and quarantines not working and other epidemics throughout history, modern history.

And they got very angry.

And so people at Stanford looked at him.

They said, ah, he left the medical school?

He's a radiologist.

He's not public health.

He was a public health person.

Then they said, he's at the right-wing Hoover Institute.

Hoover's not right-wing anymore.

And they started to go after him.

They tried to take his medical license.

I wrote two essays on his behalf.

And I got really accosted by people who came up to me.

How dare you, right?

I said, he's going to be proven right.

Jay Bacharya as well.

And then we also had John Ianides.

As I said earlier, the irony was Stanford, left-wing, intolerant, psycho-Stanford.

It had the four best immunologists and public health people in the world on the topic of COVID policy.

Jay Bacharia, John Iannanides, Scott Atlas, and Michael Lebette.

And they completely trashed them.

Scott is the one they went after because he was not subtle.

He was very candid and open.

And they censored him.

and they didn't give him due process.

They didn't ask him to come in and explain.

They didn't ask for other people.

They didn't say, well, we're going to censure you, but

give us your point of view.

We're academics.

We believe in intellectual inquiry and disinterested research.

No.

They just went in hysteria and they trashed him and they slantered and smeared him and they censored him.

And then after

the,

I don't know what you call it, after since that Joe Biden got elected and the evil Trump was gone and COVID didn't kill anybody, but people were really suffering from the lockdown.

I think the lockdown actually caused, helped cause the George Floyd riots when you let everybody out suddenly.

They went nuts.

So many bad things happened

from the lockdown.

But in any case, now

there's a little guilt.

We have a new president of Stanford.

And he's Mr.

Levin, and he is reasonable and analytical.

He came from the business school.

And

there's a sense that maybe we went a little too far.

With Scott Atlas.

Well, with everything.

Oh, with everything.

Judge Duncan, we shouted down to law school.

And then our DEI person hijacked his lecture.

And the trans people

were horrible.

They said, we want your daughter to be raped.

And then the pro-Hamas

encampment went on for four months.

Then they went to these majestic sandstone columns.

I was a little boy.

I'd go up there with my mom.

She was an alumna.

And they were just beautiful.

And they went and they just sprayed them with paint and made these poor workers go out with tweezers to get the paint out.

They trashed the president's office.

That's all over now.

They're up on felony charges with the Santa Clara

prosecutor.

So

there's a new atmosphere, not among the faculty, but among the administration that has to deal with the alumni and the donor class and some of the students.

So they're bringing back the SAT.

I don't think they'll only let 9% white males.

White males are about 35% of the population, but they discriminate down to 9%.

But here's my point.

They had this reconsideration.

So they bought it up.

And you know what they said?

Oh, we can't reconsider Scott Atlas because if we rescinded his censure right before the election, it might help Trump.

Think about it.

I'm a Stanford professor.

All 350 million people are looking at us because we are the most brilliant, important people.

We produce giants like Sam Bankman-Fried's family

and Professor Hancock or whatever, Hitchcock or whatever it is.

He's the expert on disinformation on the internet.

And he just submitted an article where the footnotes were made up by disinformation.

And we're on us.

Yes, and

we have the Stanford Internet

Observatory, which, oh yeah, they kicked it out and dissolved it because it was so biased.

So, oh, we had Theranos, too.

The Theranos, the Ponzi scheme.

So we're just so smart.

And everybody listens to us because of our reputation.

So

96% of the Stanford faculty, in a recent study, gave money to the left, and 94% voted for Biden in 2020.

So there is no diversity.

But anyway, they felt that they couldn't resend it because it would.

So some people said, okay,

you don't want to resend it?

We'll wait till the election's over.

They thought that Harris would win.

But Trump won.

That got him really angry.

So they went,

the few, the tiny few, the band of brothers, we few, they said,

it's time to give Scott a fair shake.

So they went back and they were going to have a vote.

And he lost.

They would not rescind rescind it.

Even some people on the left got angry and said, You never gave him due process.

So he is still officially censored for the crime of being right about the quarantine.

And so, outside of the Stanford campus,

he's in demand.

I mean, he goes to Europe, he goes all over the world.

People want to hear him.

They want to have him analyze what happened during the breakdown, the Scandinavian model in Sweden.

You know what I mean?

They looked at Scott.

Everybody has honored him.

But the prophet in his own place, they will not lift the censure because you know why?

It's too embarrassing to say we were bigoted, we were biased, we didn't give him due process, and we're supposed to be PhDs and doctors with MDs.

And so that's what happened.

And now, of course,

he's up for a high position in the Trump.

He and Jay Bacharia, I don't know which one will get the national, I think Jay is mentioned as the director of National Institute of Health.

I think had Scott wanted one of the other positions, he could have easily been appointed.

But

speaking of appointments.

Oh, yes.

Hold on a second.

Let's take a break and then come back and talk about those appointments.

Stay with us.

We'll be back.

Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hanson Show.

Before we go on to appointments, I just, when you were talking, I had a thing that came across my mind about Fauci and his reaction to COVID.

And I'm going to play the devil's advocate here, and I'm going to apologize to your audience because they're not going to like this.

But

I mean, when Fauci's reaction was extreme, as you were saying with how Scott said this is not even based in science, et cetera.

But do you think Fauci's extreme reaction was because he was financing gain of function research and he saw that came out and he was like, oh my god, wrap everybody in saran wrap and let's not get COVID from each other because this thing could be really bad.

Well, he, first of all, he contradicted himself.

He said the shots wouldn't give you immunity, then he said they would.

Then he said you should not wear a mask.

Then he said you should wear a mask.

Then he said you should wear two masks.

So he was fumbling for answers.

And so, what was the genesis of that anxiety that he had?

Why was he so paranoid?

And you go back to those original redacted emails, like within a week or two of the outbreak between Francis Collins and Redfield and CDC,

NIH, Fauci, and Peter Dasek at Echo Health.

And this is why...

Some people despise him.

I don't despise him.

But the reason that they despise him, they take this

kind of analytical process and they go, if this happened, this happened, if that happened, and they get down to the origin, the kernel.

And basically they say that it was illegal to do gain of function research.

And Fauci and Peter Dasik, with the

knowing support, probably of Redfield.

But he turned on them.

I mean, he got sick of it.

But Shirley Collins,

they

decided that this lab could do the research that they wanted, even though it was controlled in part by the People's Liberation Army, even though people who had built it in France said it was not safe, they would do gain of function research, and then they would secretly transmit money through Peter Dasik's EchoHealth.

In other words, he was a third party, kind of like Fusion GPS.

They'd give him the money, then he gave it to the lab, and they would conduct it, and then they were allowed to share.

Think of the naivete.

Why would you trust the Communist Party, which is the inheritor of a 60 million person genocide under Mao Zedong, to be transparent and honest?

Fauci was trusting them.

So number two,

not only was he trusting them, he felt that he was going to get information about what this valuable research was.

We had Stephen Kway Quay on here, the geneticist biologist, and he said

that it was very hard to make an argument that gain of function research ever developed any,

what's the word, valuable research insights or breakthroughs about biology, that given the risk and the cost-to-benefit analysis, it was a no-go, always a no-go procedure.

Don't do it.

So Fauci did it, and then it got loose, and he wanted to tell everybody two things.

It was a pangolin.

It was a pangolin or it might have been a bat.

It's a bat.

Now no animal ever had it before a human did, but that doesn't prove anything.

I know it was 50, 60, 70 miles away and I know the Wuhan viral lab was right next to the Wuhan breakout, but we've got to put a damper on this.

And now we've got to get masks, we got to get quarantines, we got to shut it down, or they're going to blame me that I was the creator of the Wuhan virus.

That's what his problem was.

So he kept put...

And then the left looked at him and they said, you know what?

He is our agent to the 2020 election.

Donald Trump had survived impeachment.

Remember that?

The second impeachment.

So he was coming into 2020 into the campaign season.

For a brief moment, he had plus two GDP growth.

He had about 1.4 inflation.

He had secured the the border.

He had gotten rid of Soleimani, Baghdadi, the Wagner group.

Putin didn't leave his borders.

It was all working.

This was prior to what, George Floyd in May and the big riots.

So they thought he was a shoe-in.

And then they said, COVID.

And Fauci is a hero.

He wants to lock down the country.

If he locks down the country, we can have everybody mail in ballots.

If you used to have 30% absentee ballots in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, we'll just have 70 and you won't be able to authenticate them because they're going to be mailed in and people may vote that shouldn't vote and that'll be really good.

That was the record number of ballots that were ever cast.

Explain that to me.

Before, much greater than 2016.

And the population had grown considerably in the last four years and it was greater than this year's tally.

No comment, but that's what Fauci did.

So he was paranoid that his culpability would be exposed if the virus took off.

So he thought that he was going to try any crackpot idea and lecture.

So his big thing was the pharmaceuticals, who knows what his financial connection was, if any, with Pfizer or Moderna, but their big thing was that they were going to step in and save us with these untried genetic engineering

vaccines.

They weren't even vaccines.

They were genetic engineering.

And of course, they knew that in October that they worked for a brief period.

And then they deliberately sat on that information because they did not want Donald Trump

two weeks before the election, as they had planned in late October, Pfizer was going to announce it.

And they thought, oh, you know what?

Donald Trump's going to, he's going to go all over and say, hey, I did Operation Work Speed.

I got it through everything.

I got Pfizer.

It works.

I say, no, no, no, no.

So as soon as

the election was over, then they said, oh, it works.

And then Joe Biden went, did what Joe Biden always does.

He lied.

He said, there was nobody

vaccinated until I came in.

17 million people were already vaccinated.

Wow.

So it was a sordid, sordid situation.

It sure was.

So bad.

Scott saw through that.

Jay saw through that.

Martin Kohlendorf saw through that.

There was a lot of people who saw through it.

Yeah.

Well, let's go back to appointments.

MSNBC, speaking of another great place, is excited about a Trump appointment, and that is the Secretary of Labor PIC, Republican Lori Chavez-DeReimer.

And she has supported unions in the past and the PRO Act, which is making it easier for organized labor.

And the Teamsters even support her.

And

I've heard that Josh Hawley has called for a, quote, pro-labor conservatism.

And I was wondering.

I don't think she's a conservative.

I was just...

There's been two appointments that I was worried about.

Hers is one, and of course, Matt Gates.

And that was for the Teamsters Union, Sean O'Brien, I think his name was.

They got the Teamsters guy to get neutral, and 55% of the teachers, the Teamsters voted for Trump, maybe higher.

So Trump felt that he owed them something.

But I don't think they vetted her enough because she's like anti-school choice, charter schools, pro-teachers' union.

That's not going to be a viable appointment.

It's not sustainable.

And

I think the more that we've watched the Pete Hegseth, he will get confirmed.

You think so?

I think so.

Boy, they're just going after him.

Yeah, but I mean, now there's the latest, since we talked in graphic terms about this false accusation, they don't want to admit it, but there's been information circulating that that she did the same thing with someone else.

Oh, wow.

She had a consensual sexual relationship.

That's the allegation.

I don't want to be culpable for spreading rumors, but it's out

in the media.

Yeah.

And they will not release

the

law enforcement agency will not release that information.

She will not have it released.

And then the more that you look at the Pentagon.

I have a question before you go on.

But if they're doing appointments, then this is not a legal court case.

It is an appointment.

So they can ask for other evidence on somebody who is accusing people.

He can't.

So his supporters want to say this woman has a history of accusing people after post facto coitus.

And they can bring it out.

Yes, I think they'll try to bring that out.

But more importantly,

the more that we're looking at the Pentagon and we're short ships, they can't build submarines, they're short javelins, they're short artillery shells, the Afghanistan debacle, the DIA mess, the $880 billion budget, and they can't find, what is it?

How many billions of dollars is missing?

I don't know how much it was.

It was huge.

It was a huge amount of money that their audit can't find.

And so

Pete's the only one that you can think of that

is going in there for one reason.

He's going in there to change the procurement, get a lot of stuff rather than just a few exotic

multi-billion dollar weapons platforms, stop the revolving door with generals to defense contractors, get rid of DEI, promote battlefield efficacy.

Now doubted, he's a combat veteran.

He's an Ivy League educated.

He's written four best.

He's written four books.

He's done documentaries.

He was valedictorian of his class.

He's got everything.

He has a Jerusalem tattoo.

And Deus Walt, a good Latin phrase that's from, I think, Samuel in the Old Testament.

God does not want your shoe.

Deus Walt

Animam Perere, I think it's something like, God does not want your soul to perish.

But anyway,

He's going to make it.

I don't know.

I think Tulsi Gabbert, John Bolton, has gone after George Will's gone after her because of prior things she said yeah in her prior incarnation as a leftist she was to the left of Bernie Sanders on foreign policy that's possible but I think that she even she has a chance RFK that'll be hot tricky because a lot of Americans feel that the food we're eating is poisonous and is deleterious to our health and he's a Kennedy so that'll be tricky because the left hasn't quite you know what I mean the whole foods crowd doesn't quite know what to do with RFK.

And

somebody called me, I was at school Monday and somebody said to, why do you always want people who've been married three times?

I said, what do you mean?

I said, well, RFK has been married three times.

Donald Trump has been married three times.

And Pete Hegseth has been married three times.

You know what I said?

Would you rather have Omar Bradley running

30 divisions of George Patton.

Omar Bradley was an upright, happily married person.

George Patton was an inveterate womanizer.

Who do you think the best general, battlefield general was since the Civil War?

I would give you

kind of an eccentric

battlefield general?

Besides Patton.

Oh.

I mean, since Sherman and I mean, I'm not talking about

theater commanders like Ike or Pershing that really were good administrators or MacArthur.

I'm talking about a person that went out and led battle.

And that would mean either a corps commander of two or three divisions or

an Army group commander with three or four corps.

Matthew Ridgway.

Yes, he was.

Oh, did I get it right?

You did.

Woohoo!

People are going to celebrate.

He was one of my savior generals when I wrote about the...

See, he saved the Korean War.

Without him, we would have lost the Korean War.

But guess what?

He got married three times.

Oh.

He was thrice married.

He's very quiet.

He lived to be 98.

Must have kept him alive.

But whatever.

He was a great.

So I don't see the connection between three marriages and even things that are not wise.

I think

that was a period in Pete Hex's

life that he wouldn't want to repeat, you know, a one-night hookup.

But anyway, I think he has a good chance.

There's a couple of things, you know, I mentioned Scott.

There's two.

I was on the American Battlefield Monument Commission, right?

If anybody listening that has any influence.

And I was summarily fired by Barack Obama as soon as he took office.

But it was a wonderful commission.

It was responsible for all the overseas graves of people who have died for the United States, predominantly in World War I and World War II.

About half of our soldiers did not, their families did not choose to have the bodies shipped back and they were buried in their beautiful cemeteries in Belgium, in France, in Tunisia, in Italy.

And you need a really good group of people to oversee that because there are always temptations by Europeans.

They'll come and say, oh, wow, saving Private Ryan and the D-Day Normandy Cemetery, you've got all this tourist traffic.

We want to partner with you.

Why don't we make a peace pavilion right next door?

And so you have to be careful about that.

But there's a guy who the American Battlefield Monument Commission had commissioned to write a history of it,

Tom Conner.

And he wrote a history of it.

He's a Hillsdale retired professor of military history, and he is the world's expert.

on the American Battlefield Monuments Commission, right?

And guess what?

He's retired.

He was the chairman of the history department.

He's an endowed chair of military history at this phenomenal school.

And guess what?

He's an academic and he voted for Trump.

Ergo, Sammy?

Hire him.

Yes, he should be on that committee if anybody's listening.

Second, I hit this nail down, but

I've had a soft spot for Cyprus ever and Greece, Greece because I lived in Greece and I visited Cyprus, I think now three times.

And I like Greeks, and I think they're very important.

I was very sad when we were estranged during the dark years of the Papadopoulos dictatorship and the Ioannides dictatorship and the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, which unfortunately

the Nixon government played real politic and backed the Turks.

Well, they didn't back the Turks, but they let the Turks run wild.

But here's the point.

Cyprus is a key ally of ours, and they have shown an interest in stopping the money laundering and the Russian money laundering.

And they had tried to

partner with Israel and Greece to bring natural gas into Italy.

Think of that.

Europe is short natural gas right now, and they were going to bring it in.

But they were sanctioned by the Biden administration because they said, oh, we don't believe in fossil fuels.

So, So, and Cyprus is, if you look at that location, in World War II, the British kept it, and the Germans never had it.

They got Crete, but not Cyprus.

It's strategically located,

and

Greece is a wonderful ally of the United States now.

It always was a name, but now it really is.

And so you need somebody in those countries that knows them, speaks the language, and is a fanatically patriotic pro-American and pro-Trump.

And I kept saying Max Nicias, the USC president, former.

If he could be ambassador to Greece or Cyprus, he's kind of the model like a Tom Connor or a Scott Atlas that we need to get.

Because I know we need disruptors at the top, but we need professional disruptors that come in.

They don't want to disrupt just for disruption of the administrative state, but they agree with the Trump agenda.

And so they're going to be loyal and they're going to try to

get allies on our side, on our side, and firm up these associations.

And these people abroad like Trump.

They look at the transgender mess, they look at the open border, they look at the crime, they look at the homeless, they say, this is not the United States that we can rely on.

So they want to be closer.

So

it seems to me in all these cases, we need to get people with expertise.

Yes.

And Tom Connor and Max DiCias would be ideal.

Okay.

Well, Victor, we're at the end of our episode today.

Are we out of time?

Yes, we're out of time.

We're beyond time by about 10 minutes or so.

But I have a reader on your website.

You know what else I want to say before I can interrupt you?

It's my show.

Yes, of course.

I would have liked to see Devin Nunes head of the CIA,

but I understand he's needed at Truth Social, but he would have been a great Secretary of Agriculture.

I wouldn't want him to be Secretary of Agriculture.

You know, he'd be a good Secretary.

I know a lot of people on the MAGA movement don't like Kevin McCarthy, but he would be a good secretary of agriculture.

He knows agriculture backwards and forwards.

But it might be interesting to see him run for governor.

I was going to say I think Camilla Harris.

He's a lot smarter than Camilla Harris, and he knows politics, and he's a good fundraiser.

And he looks as smooth as a cat.

And he's from the Central Valley, and he understands...

the poor white population, the Mexican-American working class, the middle classes, the muster classes of California.

He's from that background.

He would be a wonderful candidate.

So

that's another plug.

Here is a response to your immorality of illegal immigration.

I'm waiting for the day Holman is authorized to use as many aircraft carriers as he needs loaded with cots and food for the crews taking illegals home.

And I do mean home.

If countries use their Navy to stop the repatriation, dot, dot, dot, live fire.

And he says, and I also want the government to investigate the NGOs that have been helping these illegal immigrants.

And he says, leftists have said January 6th was an illegal debacle, and

too many were sentenced to solitary before a legal hearing because they trespassed.

Governors and the leaders of these NGOs should be treated the very same way.

These examples should be deterrence as much as the water.

I think the more everybody learns about January 6th, they can see that there was a deliberate

effort not to call out the National Guard, both by the military and Nancy Pelosi and the Capitol Police.

They could have stopped any

violence that ensued.

We're going to talk about that on the Saturday episode.

Yes, and Matthew, I said, Matthew or Matt Rosenberg, the New York Times Pulitzer Prize winner, he said in that ambush interview with James O'Keefe that what was the big deal?

I walked around there, it was peaceful, and I saw all these FBI people I knew that were undercover.

Nobody said, remember they asked Chris to Ray, we want the names of all the FBI undercover agents.

Yeah.

Then we had that crazy guy that was egging everybody on, and

they kind of treated him with soft gloves.

Lynn Cheney's committee and

you know, is it Benny Johnson?

Is that his name?

The

Thompson, what was his name?

The chair of the committee had been in 2004 voting to stop the election and overturn the electoral college vote in Ohio in the 2004 Bush victory.

Yes.

And you had Liz Cheney and they never really found all of the records, you know?

It was all, it needs to be investigated in that crazy time.

Yeah, it sure does.

It really does.

And they are starting to do it.

But we were going to talk about that on Saturday.

So stay with us, everybody.

In the illegal immigration, I wrote the

immorality of it.

It's not fair to legal immigrants.

They wait in line.

It's not fair to give somebody an advantage who has not applied legally, doesn't speak the language,

will have to be supported when you have

hundreds of thousands of people from Europe, from India, from China, from Africa, and they are professionals.

They've waited so long, and you let people cut in front of the line.

And we know who's doing this.

The employers want cheap labor.

The Democratic Party wants

new demographic and constituents under mail-in balloting.

The Mexican government wants remittances.

And the cartels are for it.

And so Mexico is for it.

And there's nobody against it except the people.

They don't like it.

And all these people have been maimed and harmed by DUI drivers.

And I mean, it was just common sense.

If you take people from the poorest places in the world that don't have any knowledge of the United States and no health background, no criminal background, and you just dump them into the United States, what do you think they're going to do when they get in a car?

What do you think they're going to do when you give things free to them?

It's just a logical.

It's a logical result is the mess we have.

And Tom Holman's kind of a tragic figure.

I really like him.

I say tragic not because he just is unflinching.

You know what I mean?

They make fun of him, they attack him, and he comes on there like a British bulldog.

He just doesn't yield.

He doesn't, you'd think that after all the times he's been interviewed and attacked by the opposition, he'd say, now look, this is a problem.

And he doesn't.

He said, this is the law.

What is amoral and wrong is not trying to take people back who broke our laws to their original countries.

It is separating children.

It is aiding the cartels with fentanyl trafficking that kills them.

It is child sexual trafficking.

It's this, and you are allowing this to happen.

And you're shorting legal.

Of course we have to take them back.

Well, you're going to go into every room.

They don't, it's so funny to see these leftists in the media that say, you're going to do this and you're going to do this and you're going to do this.

And you want to say, well, what did you do?

You created it.

You brought people in just so you could get political advantage or out of guilt or out of selfishness to profit with cheap labor.

You did this.

You separated parents and their children.

You were the people who allowed people to kill 100,000 by allowing the sneak in fentanyl.

You, you, you did it.

You nullified the law.

You're the Confederate.

You're the 600 cities that are, what, sanctuary jurisdictions.

You did that.

And it's all predicated on the right wouldn't do this.

They wouldn't.

Those crazy rednecks in Utah wouldn't, you know, say that, I don't know, federal DEI statutes don't apply to our county.

We're just going to ignore them.

We're not going to have gun registration.

The EPA has no inland

navigation act here in our country.

We're going to not, what would happen?

Yeah.

You're a Confederate.

You're just like Stonewall Jackson.

Yeah, that's what they would say.

That's who they are, by the way.

They're George Wallace in the doorstep of 1963 University of Alabama saying, we're not going to let some black people in here.

And JFK nationalized the Alabama State Guard and sent in federal troops.

Is that what they want?

They want to be George Wallace and say, we're on the side of these immigrants that are killing and raping and maiming people and

destroying the whole idea of legal immigration.

That's who our constituents are.

And we're going to stand in the door and stop these federal troops from enforcing the law that the majority of people want.

That's a a losing proposition.

It sure is.

That's why they lost it.

I want to see it happen.

I don't want to see the human tragedy, but I do want to see these people side against the Tom Holmans who are trying to do the right thing and correct this madness.

And

see what happens.

And then send Pete Buttigieg and

Alejandro Yorkos back to the private sector.

Nobody wants them in the private sector.

Gosh.

All right, Victor.

We're at the end here.

Thanks to our audience.

We really appreciate you.

Thank you, everybody.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hansen, and we're signing off.