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Victor, I don't think we should spend all that much time on it because it's so nuts.

But there is this organization that's been around for

70 years, the La Leche League.

And it's about breastfeeding and it helped one of the roles is my wife was a member of this.

Yeah, I mean, it's new mothers to help them learn, you know, breast, how to best methods, et cetera, right?

It was responsible for allowing women who were working to have

places of privacy to feed their children if they brought them to places of work sometimes and airports and things like that.

It was

all my children were breastfed.

I wasn't.

My generation, we were told, you know, in the 1950s, they said, that is an unnatural.

You need to have new improved formula.

Yeah.

I think I had about 20 strep throats when I was a kid.

So it's, I'm not, I know, sorry, everybody, I'm sounding like Robert Kennedy, but there is,

as far as your immune system, it's much superior to being

absolutely.

So it was a good,

the only thing I was always curious of, you know,

I remember it was, because I did know a little bit about when my kids were small.

It was founded by

so-called white women of the Midwest, but they adopted this Spanish term for milk, la leche.

Yeah.

And I think it has something to do with Catholicism, that there was a, not the saint of milk, a leche, but there's a church somewhere.

yeah and you know what i and they on they they honored it yeah oh okay i i never uh it had something to do with it that the the foundational saint or matron of that particular diocese uh was a protector of women who were you know nursing

yes yes and that and that and then i think also there was the idea that if you said

we're a national foundation for breastfeeding in english it sounded jarring in the early 60s.

So it was better to have a foreign word.

A word that cannot be uttered on television.

Yes.

I want to note this is the first time in four or five years of doing these podcasts that Victor has out-Catholic me.

So I'm afraid.

I may be wrong.

You better check me, but

I remember that.

And then the

so the point of Europe

is that they've been hijacked by non-binary men, right?

Correct.

This is now expanded into men can participate because men can chest feed, can't they?

And the founder of the

surviving founder of the league, she's 94, Marion Thompson.

She was still on the board, tried to fight this lunacy, which has been going on for a couple of years, and she resigned.

So I'm not,

this is nuts.

That's not what she actually said.

This came up.

This came up.

I had a conversation.

I was at the air.

Somehow somehow it came up.

I don't know if it was on, I saw it online or I saw somebody mention that there is a device for men that are trans

into women, that they wear

fake breasts, but they're not just silicon or fabric, but they actually have, you know, a

a capsule in there that they fill with milk.

Yes.

And then they have cleavage.

And so when they go out in public with their,

the child they did not bear, I mean, I don't think, contrary to trans orthodoxy, they are not able to bear children.

But the point is that then they have, and this is the question I don't know.

So the idea of Le Leche was to have natural milk.

So if you're a transgendered woman, I think that's what you say, woman.

and you're biologically, you were born biologically male, and you and your partner have a child.

And let's say,

if you're transgendered female, your partner, is that male or female?

I don't know.

But if you're now a transgendered female, I suppose your partner is male.

Are you a gay?

I can't get into it.

But the point is,

are you really, what do you fill your artificial reservoir full of?

Natural milk that somebody else has given you?

Or do you put formula in it?

And then aren't you kind of defeating the purpose if it's formula?

Yeah.

Victor, what's disturbing of just the weirdness of this is again, you know, I find feminists sitting on the sidelines of protecting what are clearly

exclusively women's organizations, like

women's sports, right?

I mean, I think that's exclusively women.

It isn't anymore, but

it's really discouraging to see them

sit out.

The hypocrisy of the feminist movement in America is this kind of.

I think it's coming to an end.

I think people have collectively sighed and said, you know, I don't think they know the percentages.

I didn't until I looked at it.

But they're basically saying this, if you translate it.

Throughout history, 0.0001 of a population suffered from something called gender dysphoria.

In other words, the mental makeup of a person did not match their physical body.

So they were of one sex inside the body of another sex, and they understood that.

And that manifested itself in gradations of sexual ambiguity.

There was transvestism,

where people just wanted to wear the opposite sex clothing for satisfaction or comfort.

There were people who actually

then became

homosexual in an excessive degree.

In other words, a very masculine lesbian or a very feminine male.

And then there were people who physically wanted to, and this is a poem of Catullus called the Attis Poem, where he's a devotee of the foreign goddess Sibyl, and in a feat of ecstasy, Attis, A-T-T-I-S,

cuts off the pondera ilia, I think it's in Latin, the weight of his groin.

groin.

And then he wakes up out of his ecstasy and he's very angry at the Eastern cult that has so-called brainwashed him.

That was written about somewhere around 40 BC.

And it's

in around 65 AD in Petronius's Satyricon, there is all sorts of gender dysphoria.

So my point is that everybody understood that this was a rare manifestation and they were willing just to, you know what I mean?

But somehow in the post-civil rights movement, I mean post-civil rights in the sense that you don't have active, violent, massive demonstration for equality under the law like the 60s after the, before the passage of the civil, they think this is the next frontier.

So they took a very rare biological phenomenon and they tried to tell us through,

I don't know what we would call it, press, media, popular culture, that this affected somewhere like, was it Brown University, Jack, that 30%

of the incoming class or the student bodies said they would consider

transitioning?

But

it got to a phenomenal ahistorical number.

And then we were told that with Hillary Clinton, that was the first politician in a national campaign when she said, I want to talk to the gay and the feminine, all these communities, the black,

and the LGBTQ community.

And I thought, what?

Okay, lesbian,

B,

by

G,

I guess gay, L G B T

T T?

What is T?

Transgendered.

And that's when it started to get mainstreamed.

And then it became almost, it went from a rare biological manifestation that most people were either unaware of or indifferent to to we have been here and we're queer or we're trans and we're proud and we're we're not going to take alleged racism and give us protection.

Okay, fine.

We didn't, we were insensitive to you.

We didn't understand what you were suffering.

We understand.

Two, we are a third sex.

And if you don't understand that,

and that's where people, that's where they lost the public.

They said, nope, we're not going to do that.

I'm sorry.

You bullied us enough.

You're not going to go in there and pound a volleyball down my daughter's head.

And you're you're not going to show your genitalia to my 15-year-old girl on the swim team in the locker room.

And there was just another case, I guess it was San Jose State, where one of the captain of the team objected to one of the transgendered players.

And he tried, he, she, I don't know what the proper address is, tried to suggest that other players not

defend that critic of his so that the other team could slam a ball down our head.

Yeah.

I caught Riley Gaines this morning, Saturday morning, on Fox and Friends, the very end of an appearance, but

another case of teammates, women on a team being told by the administration to shut up, you know, to

do it.

And I think that's, that cost them, I think that cost them two or three points.

There were a lot of people

that did not like that.

The idea that their children were going to be, it was was another, it fit the narrative of people on the bicoastal league talking down to people as if they were

unenlightened, undereducated, Neanderthal, medieval, and these superior moral and intellectual

uber mention knew

better for what was good for them.

And they said, nope, not this pig.

That was it.

That was it.

Yeah.

Well, um, my headset went out there a little bit, Victor.

I apologize, uh, but I think I thought you were shocked.

I thought, I thought, I thought, well, when you've lost Jack, when you've lost Jack Fowler, you've lost the argument.

That's all right.

Well, let's say I haven't.

These are different, different,

they deal with women, totally different reasons.

And let me raise the second, it's a cultural issue, also, maddening one.

a a a

a mother from georgia i forget the town now and this happened just the other day her son 10 years old 11 years old went for a walk walked downtown it's a smallish town about a i guess maybe a mile and

someone some karen saw this kid walking on a dangerous road.

I don't know what's dangerous anymore by some people's qualifications.

And

called the cops, the sheriff, sheriff, what are you doing here, kid?

Showed up, brought the kid home, then came back a few hours later and arrested the mother for,

you know, being reckless in the care of her child.

I mean, Victor, I,

we, you, I know you're going to talk about when you were probably three years old, you were riding horses down the main street to Selma.

But, you know, what's what's what has become of America that a kid can't be outside?

And

absolutely.

i mean

we're not talking about uh

you know downtown new york you live in a high-rise and you let your 10-year-old cross the street at seven at night we're talking about a rural town and a rural atmosphere and people you know and a community you know and we the left created a word for it which i have no problem called free-ranging free-range mean you're not cooped up they use it for chickens and cows but basically, it means there used to be an agrarian experience where a child on a farm was let go at eight or nine or 10.

I was free-ranged.

And I lived on one corner of this farm from which I'm now speaking in an 800-square-foot home.

There were five of us in it.

My father moved it from, he bought it at an auction.

an old farmhouse, and he fixed it kind of up.

And then I would be free-range, and I'm sitting in my grandparents' house now

and

it was 135 acres and so basically on a saturday morning we would all be around and we would say can we go down to the pond and catch polywogs and bullfrog we had a one acre pond yeah yeah just be careful and

and then My mom might call up my grand, her mother and say, the boys are going to be on the ranch.

Tell Manuel George, he was a guy from the Azores,

Watch out for the kids.

Or Joe Carey, he was from the Navajo Indian Reservation in Oklahoma.

They lived on it.

They lived right next to us.

They shared the same well.

They shared everything with us.

And just Joe's out there.

And so I would be eight or nine, and I would be walking down an alleyway looking at red-tailed hawks.

And I remember, I wrote about this.

I'm speaking it because I'm writing a book right now on farming, childhood farming, the experience of a child.

Like on the farm,

What has been lost?

And I remember it was very, it was great.

I would walk out and I'd run over to Manuel and I'd see him on a tractor.

I said, I think that big red tail is going to pick me up.

And he said, Victor, Victor, Victor, you only weigh, you weigh 60 pounds.

That poor bird couldn't carry a pound.

And then I'd see Joe and Joe would come over here and say, hey, Victor, what are you doing today now?

I said, I'm looking for the weasel mound.

The weasel mound?

I got a better thing for you to do.

I've got to go furrow out five acres, but come over here.

I'm going to tell you the story of the hoop snakes.

I go, what's the hoop snake, Joe?

And he said, well, look at those little tracks on the ground.

I said, Joe, those are my bicycle.

I rode it yesterday.

No, no, no, Victor.

That's the hoop snake.

Well, Joe, what's the hoop snake?

Well, in Oklahoma, you see on the reservation that the snake grabbed its tail in its mouth and he made a hoop and he rolled around.

And that's what we have here.

I said, no, no.

I would run out to my grandparents, Joe, told me there's there's hoop snakes.

And he'd start laughing.

He'd say, Joe, don't tease poor Victor.

And it was like heaven going up there.

And then, you know, one day I said to Emmanuel, there's weasels here.

There's weasels.

And I'd see my crippled aunt who had been bedridden since seven.

She was wonderful, Lila.

And I'd say she was about 40 and she could hardly move.

And she lived in the living room where I live now.

And she'd say, Victor, I want to know if there's a weasel or not.

Can you go find a weasel?

And I'd go around a whole phone.

I found a weasel.

And then one day, Joe came up to, I came off,

think of this, I got out of a country school.

If you miss the bus, sometimes I would stay and talk to my music teacher, Miss Yardunian.

She was trying to interest me in music, my brother, twin brother and I.

And we'd walk home, Jack, at 10, 9, and it was two miles

and through rural vineyards, and we'd cut across, and we'd get home.

And

there we were.

And I'd say to manuel he was kind of gruff i said manuel i want to go see

i want to go see the weasel mount and he'd say victor i don't want to tell you this there is no more weasel mount i said there is a weasel mount he said no the neighbor thought you know he was going to level his place i said well what did he do well he had a little hill and he scooped it and he dumped it on our place and i said well where did he dump it he said he dumped it on your weasel burrow i said well where are my weasels and he said they're under 10 feet of dirt.

And I said, can they live?

And he said, I don't think so.

Those little boogers can't get out.

So I ran over there and I dug and I couldn't save the weasels.

But that was every day is what I'm trying to say, that experience.

And then I'd be on a Ford Jubilee, Ford 9N.

It didn't have overhead valves, Jack.

It was 35 horsepower at Ford.

And then all of a sudden he said, I'm going to teach you how to drive without your hands.

You do it with your feet on the connector rod so i would drive this little 9n

and then an 8 in and then one day joke my george came up it's about time you boys you got in the big legs and drove the big jubilee that was the the first ford tractor that had a pto shaft oh no 9n did too but it had a pto shaft and it was about 40 horsepower with overhead valves.

And man, I got on that thing with a little six-foot disc and I was disking down the vineyard.

That was how old were you when you started doing that?

10, 10 or 10.

Wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

But my point is that it was like, I can't even describe it compared to today.

I had a grandfather and a grandmother who

it was just like heaven.

And I had a crippled aunt on one side of the farm.

Then I had a hired man that was from, he was Portuguese, but he was gruff.

He told me about the world, snuff, what tobacco was.

If I ever see you, Victor, with snuff in your mouth, I'm going to grab it right out of your gums.

And then I'd see all these Indian guy who was a Navajo Indian.

I really loved him, Joe, and his wife.

And they lived right next to us.

And gosh, we were just, it was like a natural world.

I can remember one day I ran into

my aunt Lila and I said,

Aunt, Aunt, This big, big bird, he had a little tortoise or something.

He dropped it on the cement and it cracked its shell.

And she had been very educated.

She was crippled her whole life.

My grandfather mortgaged his farm so his daughters could go to Stanford University.

Can you imagine that?

He didn't even know what Stanford was.

He just thought that was a good place.

So in 1939, 40, 40, they were undergraduates.

And then my mom actually had to get two BAs because she went to University of Pacific and then he made her, well, she went over and got another BA.

Then she got a law degree.

And then my aunt got a BA.

And poor Lila wanted to do that, but she was so crippled that they sent her to the the San Jose Industrial School, San Jose State Industrial Arts, so she could have a trade if they died.

You know, they thought she could learn.

She learned how to use a loom, but she could.

And she said, now, I want to explain to you, Victor, there are things called predators.

And the

red-tailed hawk is a very efficient predator.

So what you thought was mean was a way for that predator.

And that wasn't a tortoise, that was a small little turtle, no doubt.

And it picked it up and it flew over and it's it's very canny and it dropped it on the pavement of the main road between our two halves of the farm and it broke the shell and that made it possible for him to pick out the flesh.

I thought, wow, my, and that was like,

God, it was heaven.

And then

that was free-ranging, Jack, and that gave me a lot of independence.

And so when I went into the big, big world of the bicosto elite, I said to myself, this guy made fun of me in my Greek composition class, and he said that he'd been studying Greek since he was four, but he still didn't know it.

But I can tell, I would say to him, You don't know how to rive a Massey 265 or Ford 9N,

do you?

And I do.

So it gives a person confidence, is what I'm trying to say.

I agree.

Yeah.

Self-reliance.

I don't think any of the kids I grew up that were free-range, and by the way, they all were farm kids.

I don't think any of them, when Donald Trump lost, wanted wanted milk and cookies and a petting zoo and a furry animal.

Listen, even in the Bronx, once upon a time, things were free-range.

We should close this out because we have some other topics to talk about.

But,

you know, once you just showed up at your friend's house, so let's go play ball at the field, et cetera.

Now, if you did that,

how dare you not call ahead and schedule an appointment?

It's something just radically different from the way children were part of our civil society two generations ago

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So, hey, Victor,

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Oh, Vic, before we get to the Warrior Board,

aren't you

so upset, so sad?

Don Lemon, also known as

this podcast as Don Lemon.

Wait, did you say Lemon?

I did.

That is sort of the most

sensitive.

Okay, it's Lamon.

Lamon.

Yeah, he's leaving X.

So many others leaving.

Oh, my God.

It's going to shut down the whole platform if he leaves.

No.

Gosh, I wish they would just go away totally.

But back on the warrior board.

Yeah, Donald Trump wants an assembly of

military officials to assess

America's military leaders.

And I guess one of your favorite people, General Milley and others are

not too thrilled with this.

Your thoughts?

Well, when you say warrior board, that is the key isn't it and so is this going to be a pentagon

uh when i heard about this i read it i think i don't know where it was the christian the christian science monitor and they said something like

uh

white nationalist uh Pete Heckseth was talking about a warrior board.

Remember, he is the one with a tattoo who was deemed a white nationalist by his fellow warriors.

That kind of, it's that bad publicity, but nobody really knows

how this would work.

But if it's an internal,

it doesn't have to be purge and all this and out

and you know,

I don't, I don't know.

Well, an effort, let's say, you know, to find who are what generals are more obsessed with woke than they are with what the damn military exists for.

Yes.

The thing is, though, I agree with the woke board, but people that I respect,

like we have an officer, a former officer, he was chief of staff for Petraeus, Peter, Pete Mansoor.

He runs the military history program in Ohio State.

He's very good, very bright,

highest integrity.

And I think he was quoted saying

he had no problem with the study, but he wanted to go after the people in the civilian sector that put those conditions on the military officers.

So what the other side says, well, yes, they put them on, but there were opportunistic people who rode that wave for their own career advancement at the expense of military efficacy.

And that's both true.

But it...

I'm not sure it came from within the military.

You know what I'm saying?

I think it came from senators and house members and their staffers and the Biden administration and the Obama administration said, you want a promotion?

I want you.

I don't care how many people

landed on your carrier on the first attempt.

I want to know how many people of this race and that gender and that sexual orientation you promoted.

And that's where the problem is.

And so how do you,

so my point is, are they this internal board

When they go audit, who was the

opportunist

that really were for this and didn't need a nudge, or who the people were grudgingly forced to do it, or who were the people who stoutly refused and suffered for it?

And those gradations have to be acknowledged, but it's pernicious because, as I said before, it's a commissar system.

It's anytime you have an ideological imprint or requirement on anything, and it's not based on utility or meritocracy, it suffers.

So, all these DEI people,

they sin from co-mission and omission.

You have to pay for a large number of people who are not productive.

The Pentagon is not building more tanks with these people.

It is not honing the artillery skills of these people.

These people are not instructing people how to use drones to the best effect.

They are monitoring people.

That is the omission.

You're wasting labor and capital.

The co-mission is they're not just monitoring people.

They're impeding people.

They're wasting the time of officers in the field.

They are contradicting their mission statement by saying, you think

that

your artillery unit hitting the target is the only thing that matters.

But we think

the color or the gender of the person shooting the artillery shell is just as important and that's where they have it has to stop so they're going to demonize it all but and then it's a good idea

officers are going the the the military people who suffered on it are going to be for it the majority is going to be for it but they have to they have to have the right pr

and the right pr for it is you start off by saying

the military didn't ask for this they was shoved down their throats by the Biden and earlier Obama administration.

And nobody's going to do this again to them.

But there were people within that military that

used this to demagogue it.

And the people who demagogued it and destroyed the careers of people who objected, we're going to not

promote.

or we're going to ask them to leave if they demagogue this issue.

And maybe

you can do it because that's what they're doing.

And I've had so many letters from people who said, you know, there's no way I'm going to ever get to Colonel.

No way, given what I've said.

And I think everybody understood that.

And the other thing is, Jack, very quickly,

for all the critics of this, does anybody think that we even be having this discussion had

the U.S.

military simply defeated the Taliban and turned over the country and said to the diplomats,

it's secure.

Or if Iraq, right now,

there was after the surge was over,

I think it was almost Obama pulled everybody out, or that they said that was the most brilliant bombing campaign I've ever seen in Libya.

In other words, had they done to Libya or whatever, I don't think they knew what they were doing in Libya, but except for Trump's destruction of ISIS, I can't think of any military operation of a large scale that you could argue was effective long term.

Or, Victor, just adding, it's not comparable, but

turning over the control of the vital Red Sea to the Houthis,

you know, while we are allegedly the biggest people.

Yeah.

So, and I know military officers are going to say, well, Victor, that wasn't our decision.

We were Hamstrong.

Yes, but

there were methodologies and strategies and tactics that were not followed.

And

there were limitations

put on people in prior wars, and they still won.

And

there was a lot of restraints put on Matthew Ridgway.

And he came in in an utter disaster in December of 1950.

And there was no way in the world he could save Seoul.

But when Seoul was taken by the communists, he took it back.

And in five months, he was on the other side of the 38th parallel.

So my point is that if the military had had an impeccable record of success, then no one would be complaining.

But when they do not, they want to find reasons why they do not.

And

I think the general and I'm not trying to be prejudicial to the military.

I'm a big advocate of the military.

But I think the criticisms of the military fall roughly very quickly into three categories.

One, DEI and and the commissariat have put ideology among above military utility.

Number two,

there's something wrong with the procurement.

The

almost billion dollar budget, we're not getting the type of weaponry

in the numbers we need.

We're not building enough ships.

We're not building enough drones.

We're not building enough inexpensive but plentiful weapons platforms.

We're short artillery shells.

We're trying to go after the exotic.

And that may be because we have an ethos where four-star, three-star people who retire with very generous pensions nevertheless feel that they are among the corporate elite or the elite and they go into the private sector and they make an enormous i don't have any problem going into any private sector but if you go into

procurement and you work for a defense contractor or you're a defense lobbyist, then the assumption is that you're using your former influence over subordinates to push a particular product that might not be in the interest of the Pentagon, given your particular career enhancement from that particular product.

I'm not suggesting that is always true, but

that's intolerable.

So we've got to have a revolving door

hiatus.

So you go in to the Pentagon, if you come from a defense contractor, it has to be five years earlier.

If you go out, you've got to wait five years, just so you can clear out all the people you knew that are in procurement.

And so that is the other thing.

And then we have a problem with the politicalization of the military.

And you mentioned Millie and Austin.

The military should not wade into very controversial topics like Professor Kendi or

transgenderism.

Millie has no knowledge.

Millie does not know what he's talking about.

He thinks he has a prince in degree, so he starts telling people about Professor Kendi.

He has nothing.

He has no clue about critical race studies.

He has no idea about the whole DEI, what was formed, what it does, what its effects, for him to be in a position to start recommending things.

And you have something wrong with the military when the chairman of the Joint Chiefs calls in theater commanders and contrary to his legal and statutory authorities, tells them to report to him and not through the chain of command on up through the Secretary of Defense.

That's not right.

That's not legal.

And you don't have a Secretary of Defense nor especially the Chairman of Joint Chief under any circumstances, any circumstances, opening a backdoor channel of communications with your military counterpart in the Chinese Communist Party's People Liberation Army.

Especially on the shared notion that your own commander-in-chief is disparaging, you're disparaging him to the enemy, and they are the enemy.

And finally, and

similar to this top, this third area where we have something wrong with our commanding officers, you do not

flagrantly violate Article 88 of the Uniform Code.

If you do Uniform Code of Military Justice, it says you shall not publicly discredit, disparage the Commander-in-Chief and high-ranking civilian officials.

That doesn't mean just Obama.

That doesn't mean just Biden.

Got to remember when Stanley McChrystal said, Joe, bite me.

Remember that?

He said that to a Rolling Stone.

He didn't say it in public.

He didn't say it in public.

But he said it to a media person who reported that.

And that got him fired.

And because of that statute,

okay, Stanley McChrystal, when he retired, he's still subject to

the Uniform Code.

He called the President of the United States publicly a liar.

And there were no consequences.

Everybody knows that if he had called Joe Biden a liar in retirement, if Michael Hayden, the retired Air Force officer, had said Joe Biden is like the architects of Auschwitz with these cages here at the border, or if

General McCaffrey had said Joe Biden is a Mussolini-like character, or if Admiral McGraven had said, who's a very distinguished officer, I have only the highest regard for him, but if he had written an op-ed that said, Joe Biden is not able to do the job.

He has to be removed sooner than later.

Forget the elections, i.e., you didn't write that, but that was the inference.

If any of them had done that

in association with Biden, they would have been reprimanded, if not disciplined.

But with Trump, they thought they had a free hand because they thought the media hated Trump and they could get away with anything.

So they made a mockery of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

They did.

And they argued that, you know, a higher allegiance.

And so this body

is trying to stop all that.

And by the way, the people who are criticizing didn't say a word when there was a simultaneous news report, Jack, that there was a group informally in the Pentagon trying to ascertain when and when not they would obey a presidential order.

Lawful, lawful, lawful.

Lawful, lawful.

They, they, they, they are Supreme Court justice

caliber

doctors of jurisprudence.

So these generals and colonels, they know exactly when an order from Donald Trump is illegal, and therefore they have a right to do that.

And you can argue that you could argue almost anything like that.

Yeah.

I'd hope there'd be one other area, Victor, for consideration, and that has nothing necessarily to do with this warrior board, but with our military academies.

And as you've discussed in the past, your own experience teaching the Naval Academy for a year, what, 20 years ago or so?

It was

22 years ago.

Yeah, I mean, things were not rosy then.

I can only imagine how much DEI and woke is part and parcel of the education our future military leaders are getting today.

I'd love to see an assessment there.

Well, you know, just as an anecdote, I was introduced to my billet.

I was a professor of history, military history for a year, the shifring visiting.

I won't mention names.

Many of the people involved, but I went to my first lecture

was a Marine captain, gave a lecture, and he said that the Iwo Jima campaign was unnecessary, and it was really taken to punish the Japanese.

And it was driven by systemic racism.

This is a Marine captain.

So I politely said,

you don't know what you're talking about and the question and answers because the Iwo Jima campaign, as bloody as it was

and as terrible as it was, did provide a halfway point for B-29 crews.

to stop.

And he said, well, that was all, those figures were not accurate, 25,000.

They counted a plane twice, and some of that may have been true, but they really did.

I said, no, it's not true, what you just said.

I said, my own father landed three times there, three times, and he felt that each time they would have never made it back to Tenyon had it not been for Yubojima.

And I can tell you that

my father's first cousin that they basically adopted, who was my uncle, in that sense,

and I'm named after and was killed on Okinawa.

And that was not a racist campaign.

That was considered necessary to get close enough to Okinawa to stop what the Japanese army was doing.

And they were killing 15 million people in China, 4 million people total in the Pacific, including eight,

probably somewhere between

400 and 800,000 Commonwealth and American troops

in the Pacific theater.

They killed more civilians than any army, yes.

Close.

There were 20 28.

Yeah, I think you're right about 28 million Russians died, and I think 10 of them to 12 of them were in the Red Army, and the rest were civilians that were starved

or they were sent to the death camps.

But

they killed over 15 million, the Japanese,

in China alone.

And they probably killed in places such as Malaysia or the Philippines or Burma another 4 million.

And the point is,

everybody doesn't talk about Japan in the same way that they talk about Germany.

But if you actually look at the number of German soldiers that were lost versus the number of civilians and soldiers they killed, and you compare that to Japan, the most lethal killing machine in World War II was the Japanese Imperial military.

They killed more people

versus what they lost than any other military.

Yeah.

And that includes the American military.

And they were just merciless to Chinese.

They were merciless to Burmese.

They were merciless to Filipino.

They were merciless to Malaysians.

Butchered them.

And

so

it's

that's what I was introduced to at the Naval Academy by this captain.

I won't mention his name.

And I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

And then you know what happened?

I was in a hostile group.

I felt my newfound colleagues were, it was very tense because it was right on the lead up to the Iraq war in the fall of 2002.

And then this one professor,

he

stood up and he said,

in a very

noticeable Chinese-American accent, he said,

I am fluent in Chinese and I can read Japanese and I've read the archival history and what Victor said about the number of Chinese deaths is absolutely true, if not underreported.

And what he said about the Japanese aims in Iwo Jima and what the Americans' aims were is absolutely correct.

And with that, I'm done with you and Victor's done with you and we're going to go have a hamburger at the neighborhood.

And his name was Miles Yu.

Oh, Miles Yu, yeah.

Yes, who turned out to be one of our most astute critics

of the appeasement of communist China and had a wonderful career and does have a wonderful career and was the Chinese expert attached to Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State.

He broadcasts for Voice of America.

And God help us if he, I hope that Donald Trump and Marco Rubio will point him to a high position in the Pentagon or the State Department because he is sorely needed.

Miles Yu, Mr.

Mr.

Rubio,

he will be your most patriotic,

astute,

and expert China hand that you can imagine of.

And if that's not going to happen, the State Department, then Pete Hagseth, get him in the Pentagon.

Well, moving from, since we're sort of talking about the Academy here at the end of this Warriors Board, I think I'd like to next get your thoughts, Victor, on some comments Donald Trump has made

about the Academy and about accreditation agencies.

And we'll get to that.

And maybe if we have any time left,

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So I saw something.

I think it was actually Victor,

a policy video recorded sometime,

maybe even last year, but it's been making the rounds again on X and social media and very pointed comments by Donald Trump about how to break the

crazy Marxism.

I can't find my notes here on it, but the term, the rhetoric he uses is very, very tough.

But he said, you know what we're going to do?

We're going to go after these college accrediting agencies

and we are going to, he didn't say break them, but essentially we're going to break them and get new ones and we're going to end the woke madness.

And Victor, as somebody who has many thoughts of reform for higher education, I wonder what your thoughts on

Trump going after the accrediting agencies.

Everybody has to remember.

This is left-wing hysteria.

So when you say he's going after the accredit agencies, he's trying to interfere in the disinterested pursuit of knowledge.

No, that's not what's happening.

The accrediting agencies are not accrediting, trust me.

They are left-wing advocacy groups that try to enforce an ideological straitjacket on educators.

It's just like the Pentagon and DEI.

These people are not revolutionaries that are trying to stop this.

They are returned to normalcy.

When Trump is looking at accreditation, or he talks about taxing the endowment on these mega-university endowments of $30 to $60 billion,

or he's talking about cutting off federal funds to people in the university who do not honor the Civil Rights Acts, i.e.

they allow students to go around and beat up Jews or chase them into a library with impunity.

He's talking about going back to normalcy.

What we have now is abnormal.

What the left does is saying that our abnormal is so crazy that we have said it is normal.

So if you object to it, then you are revolutionaries, not us.

That's the premise.

So

these are not nonpartisan colleges anymore.

They're partisan, and they take federal money and they advocate for political causes with their tax-exempt status that we all pay for

and most importantly they don't honor the Bill of Rights.

If you are a professor and you give a lecture on the

historical advantages of Christianity or you would be so naive to say that given your research, you have discovered that the British Empire, all in all, might have been more positive for world civilization than negative.

You're going to be in big trouble.

Big trouble.

Or if you're a professor of, I don't know,

sexuality and you say that transgenderism,

a transgendered male has, female has an innate advantage in sports because of their

muscular skeletal formation or something, you're going to be in big trouble.

Or if some

if you're a male and you say you went on a date and a girl touched her leg versus you say you went in you went on a date and you touched the girl's leg, there's going to be an asymmetrical treatment of how the university responds to you.

You're not going to be given fourth, fifth

amendment civil rights under inquiry.

So all he's saying is we're going to treat the universities the way a normal person would treat them.

They're not indoctrination centers.

And those who indoctrinate people are free to do it, but not in our dime.

And we don't have to accredit you, and we don't have to give you tax-exempt status.

We mentioned Hillsdale.

Go back and be like Hillsdale.

Hillsdale says we kind of are center-right, and we represent conservative values, and you keep threatening us because you consider that proselytizing.

So, you know what?

We're not going to take any money from you.

And we can do what we want if we don't take any money.

And they harass Hillsdale, they harass, and they can't stop them.

But I think that Claudine Gay at Harvard should have said that, and Stanford's president in the past, they should have said, you know what, we're happy to be centered left.

That's our view of utopia.

And we don't want federal funds.

And that endowment, we want to pay.

Take your stupid

nonpartisan idea and stuff it.

We're going to take our four or five billion dollar a year income and we're going to pay taxes.

We're going to give the federal government half of it because we're not nonpartisan.

But they don't do that.

And Trump is saying, pick, you choose, not me.

You choose what you want to do.

You can be biased and do it on your own.

You can just say, I'm the private, I'm the university of left-wing bias.

And

fine, go to it, but do not claim that you are disinterested and tax-exempt and your only mission is education.

You know, Trump's actual, I found the note,

the transcript of what he said, and here's just one sentence.

When I return to the White House, I will fire the radical left accreditors that have allowed our colleges to become dominated by Marxist maniacs and lunatics.

I love, so everybody,

everybody got to remember one thing, and this

proves true for everything he says.

The left has this notion that if they speak in a particular dialect, in a particular vocabulary and syntax, with particular credentials associated with their title or degrees, then they can get away with murder.

They can get, so it goes like this.

I'm Professor Hansen.

I have a PhD in classical languages in Stanford.

And

I'm a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, author of many books.

And according to my research, I've come to the conclusion it's absolutely essential that all the bathrooms at your high school must have

tampons for the psychological viability of your student body.

So there will be tampon machines in your

male and female bathrooms.

And this was the generally held

feeling by experts from the Stanford Medical, Harvard Medical School establishments.

Then you can say say almost that is one of the most radical thing.

But if you say,

I'm not going to put up with these crazy maniacs that are going to put these crazy tampon dispensers in males because no males menstruate.

Come on.

They're biological.

Even if they're

women, who say they're men, they can, I mean, I guess if they're still menstruating, they're biological women.

So if they want to go into a male bathroom,

we're not going to do this.

It's too confusing.

We did it for 100 years.

Okay.

Then you're a nut.

You know, so Trump, and he knows that.

Everybody thinks he doesn't know that.

He knows that.

So when he says these crazy maniacs and lunatics, he is saying academia.

Everybody walks around in academia with a little red button on their forehead that sets them off.

So I'm going to go into that environment and everybody I see is going to push that button and make their heads explode.

And that's what he does.

And he does it.

And why does he do it?

Because he wants to show everybody what they do when they explode.

They go crazy.

They're mean-spirited.

They're biased.

And number two, he's telling Jose Lopez and Fresno, and he's telling LaVon Smith in Inner Chicago, and he's telling Jilly, Joe Billy Bob Hansen in Texas, I am your Redeemer.

You have suffered from these people's insolence and arrogance, and I'm going to push that red button and make their heads explode in front of you, and you'll see what they're really like.

And that's what he is.

And

you would think they'd say this.

I'm Dr.

Hansen with a PhD in classical languages, and I am not going to fall for that trick of being trolled and having my head explode just because he says,

you know what I mean they know what he's doing and they can't stop themselves yeah the bait has to be taken I have to Victor our last podcast episode we talked a little about Bill Buckley I injected you know Bill in the first issue of National Review what he thought was important to the conservative movement but I just have to read this in his what he called the magazine's credenda bill wrote The largest cultural menace in America is the conformity of the intellectual cliques, which in education as well as the arts are out to impose upon the nation their

moddish fads and fallacies, and have nearly succeeded in doing so.

That's just really another way of

what Donald Trump was saying here, just in a more Buckley-esque way.

And proof again, I think, that

people who think that Donald Trump is harming conservatism

are themselves out of sync.

Hey,

have you been reading about the effect of all this on foreign countries?

Snap to attention immediately.

Yeah.

Well,

this morning, you know, you and I have talked about how much we like the guys at Powerline, John,

Hender Aker, and Scott Johnson, and Steve Hayward.

Right.

I spent a couple of weeks ago with Steve Hayward.

I really like him.

He's very intelligent and well-spoken.

He's got a very great sense of humor, trolling sense of

trolling sense of humor, too.

But

they have posted there the

effect of Marco Rubio and Pete Hegset and people like that on Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea.

And basically, it's like,

well,

doesn't Trump know

the protocols of America?

And

we hate you and we call you all sorts of names, but you're supposed to pick people who say that we're sober and judicious and this is something for the utmost concern.

And these matters are taken very seriously and

what North Korea said is inappropriate.

And

they're not supposed to say things like, we're at war with China or, you know what I mean?

They're not supposed to be telling the truth.

So who, what is going on in the United States?

Since when do they say their people get to speak the truth?

They're really mad at John Radcliffe, who

one of the things they think he's crazy is because he actually believes, Jack, that the Wuhan lab was just conveniently located next to where the first case of COVID broke out.

And the guy that kind of was going to point that out mysteriously disappeared and then the Chinese didn't tell us anything about the

genetic imprint.

And he actually thought that the lab had a connection with COVID, and yet

he's the CIA director.

What's wrong with these Americans?

Yeah.

Can't wait for Rand Paul to take over that committee to look into all of this and give that topic sort of topic.

And you know, another thing is, just very quickly, they're all trying to, and I think that article pointed out, they are going crazy to

cook the books and show that they made the Europeans, our NATO partners, that they have all paid their 2%

of GDP and military investments because they are terrified of Donald Trump because they see that he was right, that they should have armed.

And they've had four years, two three years after Putin, what he did in Ukraine, and they still haven't met their 2%.

And he's going to say, you know what?

You're in an existential situation.

And I warned you four years ago, and I got some compliance, but some of you just wouldn't do it.

You didn't think I was serious that we were going to spend blood and treasure, or at least treasure, from the United States to subsidize your

laxity.

And I'm not going to do it anymore.

So he will, and I think they're going to, I think in the next 90 days, you're going to see that almost every NATO partner has budgeted for the next year 2% of GDP for defense.

Let us pray.

Victor, we have a little time left here, and let's end it up with your thoughts on this darling of American culture, Whoopi Goldberg.

So here's the story.

I'm sure our listeners.

Why are you torturing me?

Oh, because it's just a big fat pitch down the middle of the plate.

Maybe that's why she, this is boy, oh boy, is this played out nationally, but very much so in, say, the New York Post where this is happening.

She wants a cake from a Staten Island bakery.

She calls up to order it.

The ovens are out.

The lady says, I can't do, I don't know that I can do it because my, you know, the electricity is out or whatever.

And then,

well, that ends that.

Well, the problem is fixed.

And the lady goes back to, you know, her business is baking these sponge cakes.

And somebody

sent Whippy finds out that, wow, they are available.

And on her, on the view, tried to embarrass this business in Staten Island.

And it turned out trying to, of course, make herself to be a victim, give the impression that it has to do with racism.

Because guess who lives on Staten Island, Vic?

They're all these Republicans,

Italians.

You see, yeah, she said it was biased and she said political bias, but the subtext was it was racist too.

I think you're right about that.

Yeah.

And actually, you know, the folks have come out and it's like, this is not what happened, A, and B, they're being flooded with orders from people who want to stand by them and give the middle finger to the Whoopee.

Should we give a rat's patoot anymore, what Whoopee Goldberg says or does?

She said so many things.

She said things that are anti-Semitic about the Holocaust.

She said she and that group talk about...

women that are white, that are suburban in racial terms.

And it brings up this larger question.

You have to be very careful

how you articulate this.

But I think people are understanding, especially from the last election, that class is a much more

distinguishing criterion of who is oppressed and who is not.

And race is no longer associated with class status.

So you have these high-profile situations.

And Jack, you and I have talked about a lot of them.

One of them was this multi-millionaire

LA

luxury denizen,

Whoopi Goldberg, attacking this bakery because they can't afford modern boilers.

They're 150 years plus, and they have archaic, and they're not used to large orders, and they don't just drop everything because Whoopi Goldberg called up, just like they wouldn't if Julia Roberts called up, just like they wouldn't if

any of these left-wing people called up.

But it wasn't biased.

They actually didn't have the capacity.

So then, of course, she thinks she's going to go dox them and shame them on national TV.

And they happen to be white working-class people, and that's okay because she's black.

It's kind of like the Oberlin story.

Remember the Oberlin store right next to Oberlin?

They have a lot of people.

People love bakeries.

Yeah, they do.

And

they were such a loyal supplier for students.

They overlooked a lot of stuff.

But they had a problem with shoplifting.

And one of the perpetrators was African American.

So they tried to destroy that group.

The elites did.

The elites did.

And

the same thing with Michelle Obama.

She said she was at a target, remember?

And this was a sign of racism because a shorter...

working class white woman, obviously, asked this tall black woman to pick up a package that she couldn't reach to help her.

And of course, I'm Michelle Obama.

I'm the person.

And this was a sign of insidious race.

And just like the same, I could go on and on, but it's the same thing.

Oprah goes into some Swiss chalet

store that nobody in their right mind would ever go in and pay.

And there's some little clerk there, and she says, there was a $37,000

alligator purse.

And I asked her to look at it, and she's a racist.

This stupid, and this woman just said, I didn't know who she was.

We don't, I'm not, I'm not allowed basically to take $37,000 things that are kept away from people because of shoplifting and hand it to anybody, black, white, anybody.

I'm sorry.

I didn't know who she was.

But again, it's the idea that if you're black, then you are oppressed, when that may have been true 50 years ago, but this is a very rapidly metamorphosizing society.

And as I said on one podcast, we have 17 ethnic groups that have higher per capita income than so-called whites.

And African American women are not that far away from the average per capita income.

I think that African American women are almost at or higher than white, middle-class white American males.

So my point is this, that these are archaic ideas that you can just go in there and insult the whole productivity and livelihood of a middle-class white group and then get away with it because you're black.

It's not going to happen anymore.

And it's good because I think most black people don't want it to happen anymore.

And that for them, it's a class thing.

And they've looked at the one-eyed jack.

They flipped the card over and they've seen that these people like Whoopi Goldberg and Oprah Winfrey and Camilla Harris, they don't have their interest any more than

Dr.

Jill or

any of the, you know, Mike Bloomberg or Bill Gates has your interest if you're a white truck driver.

They don't.

They have Dr.

Jill.

She probably voted for Trump.

That's very funny because everybody's been remarking, as you listeners know, that Joe can't stop smiling and he's very happy.

And they probably are wearing MAGA hats right now.

Okay, well,

Victor,

you've been great today.

We're right at the end here of our allotted time.

I do want to read one of the lovely comments that have been left on Apple.

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It's a very long comment, and I'm not going to read the entirety of it, but here's the end of one.

And it says, in closing, I must apologize for ranting, but I'm so overwhelmed with what has transpired in this country over the last eight eight years because I can't even begin to express how deeply I'm affected.

We just celebrated Veterans Day.

I'm a veteran.

My three brothers are veterans.

My father was a veteran.

My father's two brothers were veterans.

My mother's father was a veteran.

We all swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

What the Democrats and the left have done or continuing to do is destroying this country, and it's unarguably criminal.

They must be held accountable.

God bless you, sir, and and God bless the United States of America.

Respectfully yours, Mark from Hilo, Hawaii.

And we thank you, Mark, for taking the time to write that.

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You were going to say something, Victor, as we head out the door.

Yeah, I was going to give a plug.

You know, I was just thinking, I was watching

this morning when I came into my former garage, or actually it was a horse manger, my grandfather, when he's a little boy, and I turned it into

where I'm broadcasting.

But

I was listening to all the pros and cons on Robert Kennedy, you know, on the health.

Sure.

And people are worried that he might bring in Dennis Kucinich and people like that or Vax.

And I was thinking, I have this colleague and everybody knows him, Scott Atlas.

He was a tough, talking, blunt guy, but he was, he's a marvelous health expert.

And he's gone.

If only we had listened to him.

Yeah.

And we went way, and he,

he had no reason to buck the entire Stanford

faculty who said that you had to shut down all the schools, no matter whether children or you had to shut down the economy.

And he was very brave, and he got very little support.

And he's gone way beyond his expertise, of which he was one of the world's greatest neural radiologists.

And so my point is that if they would point a guy like that,

if Bobby Kennedy, and say, you know what, let's take one of

the most most renowned of all the agencies in HH.

It's really the Institute of Health, the National Institute, the NIH.

NIH, right?

That's the one with a $50 billion.

If you had him there, you would have a craftsman, an expert, but more importantly, you would have a strong Trump supporter, but would come to his support from Trump from his credentialed medical career and say, you know what, Trump knew instinctively what he should be doing according to what the science really is.

And he would have a supporter of the Trump agenda, but it would protect Bobby Kennedy a lot.

And

he needs somebody like Scott to be able to call up and say, Scott, I'm very skeptical of vaccinations.

However, give me the history of the measles vaccination.

And he could do it.

And he could do all of that.

And that's what I'm just using him as an example of the type of appointments at the sub-cabinet, but high very, these, these agencies are huge.

And he's like, like, like Fauci, right?

Yeah, and like Pete Heggseth.

You know, I mentioned Miles Yu as a guy.

If you would appoint a guy like that, they were in tune with him politically.

But, you know, Miles, he's got a PhD in history.

Not that I, you know, and he's taught at the Naval.

He's got all of these expertise.

And I mentioned ambassadors.

You know, we talk about all the ambassadors are going to get this and that.

And I mentioned Max Nicias, the former president of USC, a guy like that.

If you put, he was conservative, he stood up for principles, he was attacked,

he weathered the Me Too, he was sabotaged.

He went through all of that.

And he remained true.

He's a very strong conservative.

He would be, if you put him in somewhere where he grew up in Cyprus as the ambassador, people say, oh my gosh, look what Trump does.

He looks at people who have expertise, not that they're going to be prejudicial to an ethnic affinity from where they were born or where they live, but more importantly, they're staunch American patriots.

They're America first.

I can trust them.

And these are very critical parts of the world.

Cyprus is now because of the Russian oligarchs, the money transfers, the natural gas, the Turkey threat.

It is crucial.

If you had a person with that, with that linguistic expertise, fluent,

and you made maybe 10 of those Max Nicias types appointments, and you made three or four, Jay Bachari, John Yannidis, people like that, and Scott Atlas.

It would just do so much for Donald Trump.

Not that he's, and somebody was going to say, well, Victor, well, they have credentials.

No, I'm not talking about their credentials.

I'm talking about their wisdom

and their...

and their candor and their conservative tradition.

Candor is right, especially.

They don't, I've been around them.

They don't put up with crap.

Back to Scott Atlas.

That's what he was.

He was truth in the face of bureaucracy.

Scott is out

in a different way.

So is Jay.

He was outspoken.

Mac's got in trouble at USC, was outspoken, and he didn't back down.

And those are the people that these controversial appointments that I support.

with almost with some exceptions, but I support them.

And I think Pete, I hope to God he gets

confirmed.

I think he will.

And I support, I met Tulsi.

I really like her.

I admire her.

I think that whatever she doesn't know at the end, because she's so smart and she's so politically savvy, she will pick up

very quickly.

But those people need subordinates that will not undermine them or

diminish the Trump.

MAGA effort.

And so they need these second tier, they're not even second tier, they're very important types of appointments.

And there's a lot of people that are conservative, that have superior that the left is afraid of, not because these people are antithetical politically, but because they're so good and

they can't impugn them.

And they know that these people will be very, very effective in carrying out the Trump agenda.

I'm a little hurt, Victor.

You didn't mention me as ambassador to the Vatican.

But I had thought

you would be a very good.

You would be a

But I think I read, isn't Khalista Ginrich going to continue or resume or something?

I don't know.

She was long serving there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You would be an excellent ambassador.

I know that one person who would be completely unfit for an ambassador or any presidential appointment is Victor D.

Hansen.

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

You were on.

Listen, listen.

Let me say something here then.

Because I've seen stories about this, and you were on the 1776 Commission.

Very truncated.

Well, unfortunately,

it was

established very late in the administration.

The people who really did the yeoman heavy lifting were Larry Arne and people around him at Hillsdale College.

Yeah, Matt Spalding.

Yeah, Matt Spalding did a superb job.

So did Larry Arne.

But it had broader, I mean, that.

It did.

It had a lot of people in it.

But

I didn't have time to really participate, so I didn't go back there to Washington.

And I participated only by Zoom and editing things.

I dig.

But

I don't think it's.

I think it may be reestablished.

I hope it is.

That's what I hear.

Yeah.

And I think it has a broader view of America, not just talk, you know, to mark, you know, actually, I think part of its purpose was to be a counter to the 1619 project.

But in it, Trump had

a man's got to know, a man's got to know his limitations.

All right.

Well, Clinton was right about that.

And I'm kind of grounded on this farm in the middle of nowhere.

A very famous person once said to me, Victor, when are you going to join the big leagues?

Get out of it.

I won't mention who told me that, but he was very high-ranking.

It was funny.

It was a joke, but it's true.

Anyway,

I don't have very much influence, but I really feel passionately that all of these controversial,

and I don't think they should be controversial, appointees, it's very important that the second tier, they bring in this class of experts, if I could say, not just by their credentials,

but by their character and their knowledge and their proven excellence.

And you bring them in, you staff them, and they are the people who will be doing the nuts and bolts of work for the high-profile appointees.

And so a person like Scott Atlas or Jay Bacharia or Max Nakias is the ideal.

All those people are absolutely essential.

And I hope that people, if there's anybody listening that has any degree of influence, that they consider that.

You can't just make political appointments

or donor appointments.

You've got to get people that will reflect,

that will be able to carry out the Trump agenda.

They have to be experts.

And these people are.

And they know they're experts because they fulfill one requirement also.

They've been on the receiving end of the

woke.

They've got the words.

They've got the wounds.

And they've paid a high price for their integrity.

Okay, well,

I will not bring up the topic of you as ambassador to Sweden.

Oh, I hadn't thought of it.

Yes, I am qualified to be the ambassador to Sweden for two reasons.

I've never been to Sweden, and I don't know more than one word of Swedish, and I'm broke, so I don't think I qualify.

All right, Bolvo.

Yes,

I did drive a Bolvo 544.

Well,

you've been terrific, Victor.

Folks who listen, especially those who are new, thank you very much.

And we will be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis-Hansen Show.

Bye-bye.

Thank you, everyone.