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Victor Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has gone to meet his maker, courtesy of the Israeli Air Force.

Your thoughts?

Well, we're speaking on a

Sunday morning, and as I speak,

we're starting to get some information how you could kill somebody in

downtown.

Basically, it's a residential area, but it's in the municipal area center.

of Beirut, who was under an apartment building in a fortified concrete bunker 60 feet below the street, which would be considered impossible.

But apparently they sent Jack, I don't know if they did it with seven different planes or six different planes, but they sent a series of 2,000-pound bombs.

One would bomb and go down a little deep, and then at the exact same place, the next one would follow, the next one would fall.

It was kind of like a jackhammer.

And it got in there and it blew not only Nasrallah up, but a lot of his further associates.

And when you compound that with that chart of the hierarchy, they're almost all gone now.

Not to mention

the pager and walkie-talkie took out either wounded or dead 2,500 people and then it exposed the rest of them that

had their pagers or walkie-talkies maybe on the table next to them or whatever, but it exposed them to their family and friends and to the Israelis.

So this is what they wanted.

Everybody, I'm a little upset.

Macron said, you know, this is, even, you know, I really like Jed Babbin.

I think he wrote that this was terrorism.

Everybody is now canonizing Nasrallah.

He was a moderate leader.

He wasn't.

In July, he said he wanted to kill the Zionist cancer.

He always did.

He's been there for 40 years.

He's got the Marine, 243 Marines on his, the blood of them.

He killed that Navy sailor his operatives did, threw him, Mistenim or what I think his name was.

He threw him out 1983 like a piece of meat onto the tarmac.

And then he

supplied, he was the conduit that supplied the shape charges.

It probably killed a thousand Americans in Iraq.

The world's a safer place with him gone.

Now we're in an Orwellian situation if you think about it.

Here is the supreme leader,

Ayatole Ali Khamenei, and he's in a secure location, Jack.

How can he be in a secure location?

He says he's in a secure location.

He's supposedly the fire and brimstone

head of,

you know, head of Iran, head of Hamas, head of...

Hezbollah, head of the Houthis, and he's been telling everybody he wants to destroy Israel.

So what I'm getting at is all of these people, Macron, the EU,

NATO, UN,

Harris, Biden, Sullivan, Blinken, you name it, they all forgot a simple rule

that if you push Israel to the brink, and they decide that this is an existential war to save them, there will be no second Holocaust.

And that's what October 7th was.

You've got to remember that before they even talked about Hezbollah, they started sending rockets.

And since October 7th, Hezbollah has sent 8,000 of them.

And

Hamas in that period sent 9,000.

You have the Houthis in Iraq.

You're up to almost 20,000.

So they feel there's going to be no second Holocaust, and there are no restrictions on it.

And the second truth was was they forgot that because we have always restrained Israel, they have never been in this situation where

there's no restrictions anymore at all.

And they are very good at what they do.

So we have lived with the idea that

the Iranian bomb will destroy Israel.

The Hezbollah's 150,000 rockets will destroy Israel.

The blood-curdling rhetoric from the Houthis and Hamas will destroy Israel.

They're not the same as they used to be.

Maybe, maybe not.

But we're starting to learn that if you take the gloves off and they have no choice, they are very lethal.

And then I think the third thing that people didn't realize is that

the more that Israel replies in a disproportionate fashion and an unpredictable fashion,

the less danger they're in, and the more that they self-restrain and

exude a false impression that they're calculating, weak, scared,

contingent on what the Europeans and the Americans say, the more danger they're in.

So now here we are.

We're on the threshold of Armageddon, existential war in the Middle East, and it's up to Iran.

They can either tell Hezbollah, do not keep doing it because we have lost Hamas and we're going to lose you.

They're going to destroy you.

And then what do we have?

The Houthis are a bunch of amateurs compared to you guys.

And then if we lose our terrorist appendages and we can't have surrogates,

then we're going to end up in an existential war with Israel.

And we've had a little pre-taste of that when we sent 320 projectiles into Israel and not one hit a target.

And many of them blew up on the lunch pad.

And Israel sent three back and they all did damage.

So that's where we are.

And it's kind of, I don't know what you'd call it.

You remember all the Wyatt Earp stories about the revenge ride where Wyatt Earp's family have been picked off, wounded, and they finally say, that's it, no more.

Or the scene that you and I have talked about in The Godfather,

where it's time to take care of business.

But I think that's the point where Israel is at now.

They feel we can't go on like this with 80,000 people cannot live in their homes and 20,000 rockets,

no commercial flights other than L Al In and Out.

The economy's strangled, no turret.

We can't do this.

So we have nothing to lose now.

And that's where we are.

And now the call is up to Iran.

It just said it wanted to destroy the Zionist entity and it called it a cancer

and let it, I guess people are saying, okay, go to it.

And I don't think they want to do that.

Well, whatever Israel did, Victor, they did it.

They engaged in retribution

for us, things we should have done in America.

As you mentioned before,

how many Americans have been murdered by Hezbollah?

And Joe Biden

don't, with his mind, but don't, and nothing follows, right?

The French had many, many soldiers murdered by Hezbollah, that Macron would not be

thanking Israel for years later carrying out this justice.

I mean, that's not what this attack is about,

but they did our work for us, and we should be, just for that alone, should be terribly grateful, I think.

I think you're right, Jack.

And so this is all the pieties of the last half century are kind of been dissipated.

And the pieties were,

you can never defeat an idea.

Hamas, you just can't defeat it.

It's an idea.

And we know that was false with the end of the Soviet Union.

We knew that was false with the end of Hitler.

And anybody who takes a picture of their Reichstag in May of 1945 saw that idea blow up.

Same thing with fascism and Mussolini.

So there is no Hamas that's a functional entity anymore.

They're all, what's left of them are in a bunch of tunnels.

They're living like rodents almost.

I don't want to use that imagery to demean them, but that's what the life has become.

They're sort of like morlocks.

And Hezbollah, we were told, 150,000 rockets, 150,000 rockets, 150,000 rockets, 150,000 rockets.

Can't do it.

They're the most deadly terrorists.

They've killed more people than anyone in the world except Bin Laden.

Yes, that's true.

But

no one ever counted on their entire apparatus being killed.

And each time one of these people were being killed, they sent rockets.

And each time they sent rockets, they lost not only the rockets that were knocked down, but they lost hundreds of them, maybe thousands.

And when everybody hears every morning that Israel is running hundreds of strikes hitting them, they're hitting these rockets every day.

And they're everywhere.

And as we said earlier, when they found out where the pagers were that went off, most of the the people who had the pagers were in charge of monitoring the rockets.

So they were going in and checking in basements of apartment buildings, out in farmhouses, and they have a map now pretty much where these rockets are.

And they're taking care of business.

And then we were told, you know, as I said earlier, that Iran wouldn't stand for it.

They would not stand for it.

They've got nuclear weapons maybe.

Well, Israel is saying there's not going to be a Holocaust.

So you do your your worst and we'll do your best and may the best person win.

And that's where we are right now.

And

they're in a doom move because they either have to continue their blood-curdling rhetoric that's going to be empty and people know it's empty, or they've got to come through and be the terrorists they are and do another terrorist act.

And if they do that, they're going to get hit harder.

And the one thing that Iran does not want, it knows now, they've had now their long-wanted, long-promised exchange with Israel.

And you've got to remember, they asked the United States, they said, well, we'll send some stuff over, but then tell Israel not to reply.

Well, they're not, the United States is not going to do that.

Even Harris and Biden were forced to say that Nasra got what he deserved because it's an election year, and everybody hates Hezbollah, and they hate Iran.

Maybe not Harris and Biden, but everybody else does.

And so

there's no restraint

on Israel, vis-a-vis Hezbollah.

Hezbollah does not have the romance, Jack, that Hamas does.

It doesn't.

The Lebanese people don't like it.

And there's not a lot of Shia Muslims in the United States.

They're mostly Sunni from the West Bank, Jordan, and the Gulf, and

Egypt.

We don't want a lot of Sunni, excuse me, Shia Hezbollah supporters in the United States, and we don't let them in if we know that.

And so there is no sympathy for Hezbollah.

Maybe some nutty, few people nutty on campus.

So what I'm getting at is that Iran

is kind of isolated now.

All of the Arab countries are delighted about this.

Their Shia populations, they're terrified because they are illegitimate.

They don't have elections.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait,

Egypt, all of these countries are

furious of the last 50 years.

This regime has stirred up their Shia populations.

They've committed terrorism.

And now the Zionist entity has basically done things that they've only dreamed about.

Right.

And they're not going to do anything to Israel.

They're going to quietly say, do you need more bombs?

We'll give them to you.

Just don't tell anybody.

And don't.

you know, don't listen, just ignore when we damn the Zionist entity and show our solidarity with fellow Muslims.

It doesn't mean anything.

We want you to do this.

And so, who are their friends?

Nobody's their friends.

Maybe China and Russia, but you know, Russia has no Russia and the Russian people.

Most people aren't either.

Most citizens of Iran are not.

And you know what Russia's and China are saying?

Russia's and China.

China is saying, well, we like Iran because they check the United States or they cause them trouble.

But deep down, we have the Uyghurs and

we don't like this religion.

And the same thing with Russia.

We leveled Chechnya if we had to and Grozny, and we've dealt with Islamic terrorism.

So

I don't see a lot of empathy, and now we'll see what Iran does.

But if it attacks Israel, I think Israel's got enough wherewithal that it will...

It will come down hard.

It will take out its nuclear facilities.

It will take out its harbor.

It will probably take out Karg Island, its oil-exporting

generating port.

It may take out their grid.

And I don't think Iran can do much.

So my assumption is that they are going to send out their terrorist appendages into the United States, Europe, Latin America, Asia, and try to kill people.

Innocent, because they're cowardly.

They kill innocent people.

And

this was all just a reminder, everybody.

There's no peace in the Middle East, but there was

relative calm on October 6th.

No one asked for this except Hamas, and on October 8th, they started rocketing Israel.

They had nothing to do with, they just started, they thought they were going to get away with 8,000 rockets ago.

They were just bragging that they displaced 80 to 100,000 Jews that couldn't live.

Ha ha, see what we did.

We have 150,000 more of these.

And now

everybody's calling their bluff.

Yeah.

Sadly, funded by our tax dollars thanks to Barack Obama.

We wouldn't be at this point, would we?

Ben Rhodes said, I think about not too long ago, I think it was this year, he said, this was a tragedy that Trump got out of the Iran deal, that all the things happened because they overturned the Obama initiatives.

He is culpable.

He and Obama and John Kerry.

There were no Russians, remember, in the Middle East till Kerry invited him in 2013 to help find WMD, along with his partner Assad, who was the perpetrator of it.

And then they got all excited about the Arab Spring, and they were going to have a grassroots democratic revolution.

The poor, downtrodden Shia were going to rebel against the Sunni oppressors.

And how'd that go in Syria?

And then they, how'd that go in Libya when they bombed Qaddafi?

How'd that go with their

creative tension?

Let's balance Israel and the Gulf against Iran, and then we'll just kind of adjudicate it.

That didn't go very well either.

You know, it kind of reminds me of the border, these people.

They're very amoral people.

They have all these grand theories, and they don't care about how they work out on the ground to innocent people.

So this Middle East was blown up by Biden, Harris, Obama.

All they had to do was do what other people had said.

Don't get any daylight between you and Israel.

Don't just, you know, it doesn't mean you tell Israel to go do all this stuff.

Just tell them,

if you are attacked, we will supply you with the wherewithal and we will keep people out of the arena so that you can retaliate to aggression.

And they couldn't even do that.

We got hit the other day by the Houthis.

Right.

And I guess we they send two or three thousand dollar cheap missiles or drones, and we spend, what, a million dollars per missile to knock them down.

And we're going to have to deal with that sometimes because the Red Sea is inoperable now as a corridor into the Suez.

And it didn't have to happen that way.

It did not have to happen that way.

And the same thing with Ukraine.

And the same thing with the border.

It's the same idea.

They have these theories about demography is destiny, the new democratic majority,

borders are a 19th century artifact.

And now

they don't care about the murders or rapes, the killing.

They have no concern for people.

And you know they don't when they're so cynical when all of a sudden they say

we condemn Hezbollah or

Kamala Harris is fixing up the border damage that Donald Trump did.

Just an Orwellian, not a lie, lie, an Orwellian lie.

So

I think

we'll get to these topics, Jack, but I think all of this stuff is dovetailing to

the detriment of Kamala Harris.

I really do.

I think she's going to start bleeding even more in the fold.

Yeah, well, let us pray.

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So, Victor,

driving back yesterday

from the airport, and I was at the Philadelphia Society meeting.

That's a conservative organization.

It's been around about 60 years.

Great people.

I was stopped by many people

asking, Are you that Jack Fowler?

And just say, Please tell Victor.

Love him.

He's the best.

My wife.

I appreciate it.

I don't hear much of that out from my

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Spike and Gracie.

The dogs.

No, and are my neighbors that

when

they drop a car seat.

Or bag of crap.

Are some lawn chairs in my.

Yeah, yeah.

You have a tag sale.

Anyway,

lots of folks there.

Just

very

praising of the wisdom you share here

four times a week.

But anyway, on the car ride down, I was listening to the most recent podcast you did with the great Sammy Wink, Wink, and you were at length talking about Zelensky's visit in Pennsylvania, all very partisan coordinated with

Kamala Harris and the governor Shapiro, and no Republicans were allowed, and how Zelensky was being used for an obvious partisan event in an election year.

And your analysis of that was terrific.

Yeah, and then

he had to do something.

Right.

He had to go talk to Trump.

Yeah.

And he didn't want to hear what Trump said because Trump said kind of an immoral equivalent, you know, I'm good friends, but I can deal with Putin too.

But that's if there's going to be anything other than another million dead, wounded, and missing, then somebody's going to have to talk to Putin.

And, you know, Richard Nixon and George H., all these people talked to Mao Zedong, who was was the biggest mass murderer in history.

So, not that you should talk to these people, but at some point, Vladimir Putin is going to have a gut check time, and he's either going to have to

face the fact that he's not going to get much beyond the Crimea and the Donbass,

and he's going to have to take that bone back to the Russian people and said

600,000 of your

kids in a society with about a 1.5 fertility rate are wounded, or we don't know where they were blown up, or they're dead.

And I can tell you, I didn't get very much territory for that.

And maybe, just maybe, the point of the whole thing, he can lie and say the point of this invasion was to tell the world that Ukraine will not be a NATO and that Crimea's Donbass is ours.

That's what J.D.

Vance was basically saying.

Everybody knows that's the decision.

And if you're listening to that and you say, say, that's horrible, you're an appeaser, Victor, then you just ask yourself

when Barack Obama was president and he let this happen in 2014 as the aftermath of his famous hot mic deal in Seoul, tell Vladimir that it gives me space for my last election, I can be flexible on missile defense.

And they both kept their bargain.

And he did not then say, we have to have a crusade to get back to Donbass and Crimea.

No, you didn't, Barack.

In fact, you wouldn't even sell Ukraine offensive weapons like javelins, which are not really offensive.

They're kind of anti-tank weapons.

And so,

and then Donald Trump came in and he didn't want to go to war to get them back.

And Joe Biden had, you know, he had all 21 and most of 22.

He could have said, on to Moscow, let's get back to Donbass.

He didn't.

And then Zelensky was reportedly, you know, negotiating.

So that's what the negotiation will be ultimately.

I don't know if it's going to take another million dead or wounded.

I hope not.

But the deal will be that Ukraine is not going to be in NATO, but it will have a demilitarized zone between it and the Donbass and Crimea.

And those majority Russian-speaking peoples

will be part of the Russian Federation.

And if people, they'll probably have some kind of population exchange that people who are pro-die-hard Putinites will have have to go back to Russia and somebody will in those areas may want to go into Ukraine.

I don't know.

I hope not, but that might happen.

But

there's going to have to be a settlement.

And otherwise.

And

for those who think that Donald Trump is an isolationist,

he's a businessman.

So he knows that when he comes in, all this braggadachio, tough talk about he can get a deal, it's all predicated on one thing.

He does not pull the rug out of Zelensky.

He's got to keep arming him.

No matter.

It wasn't his idea to arm him.

But if you want to force Putin to have a deal that is mutually acceptable, then he has to deter Putin.

And that means that the Europeans and the Americans, the Europeans are tired, but

we're providing, I think, now 75% of the wherewithal.

Well, that's what's going to happen.

Right.

I can't imagine, Victor, the most partisan Democrat, not thinking

that this will be resolved quickly, more quickly at all and quickly through Donald Trump than through Kamala Harris if she was president.

And I don't know.

I don't know what's the wall this year.

This whole election is dependent on

it's going to get really nasty.

I mean, it's been nasty, but as the polls start to bleed for Kamala Harris, and why would they bleed?

Because

those interviews successively, serially, insidiously, the Philadelphia Local Anchorman Interview, the Association of Black Journalists interview, the Oprah interview, the Stephanie Rule interview, if you put them in their totality and then add the Dana Bash multiple choice interview with Waltz, That's five of them.

And she is insipid.

No one wants to hear her lies that she grew up middle class, even if she was so what?

Most Americans are middle class.

I can't say, well, I grew up middle class.

Therefore, I'm an authority on Thucydides.

No, no, who cares?

Doesn't care whether you're rich or poor or middle class.

I mean,

and she wasn't middle class.

That's what's weird.

She lied about working in McDonald's.

She lied that she grew up in Oakland.

She grew up in Berkeley.

Her parents were both PhD, 0.0001 of the population.

Then she grew up most of her middle years in the posthumous neighborhood of Montreal.

So this idea that she's an American middle-class,

striving person, she's an American that lived a long time in an affluent Canadian environment.

And she lies, lies, lies, and people are getting tired of it.

And then they're getting tired of this Orwellianism.

You go down to the border for the first time in three years almost, and then you lie that you were a border hawk.

And then we're supposed to say, yes, Camilla, you are a border hawk.

You tried to stop the

10 to 12 million.

We know you did.

That's why you called the Border Patrol Ku Klux Klan.

And you liked them so much.

You said that they were whipping people as if slavery was still in existence.

And you liked them so much, you said you'd march with a bunch of teenagers shouting, no deportation, no deportation.

And you liked them so much, you wanted to give university health care free to all illegal aliens, which you said were not illegal because you said that crossing the border illegally was not a criminal violation.

And we know you were tough on immigration because as soon as you came in, you stopped the wall.

You let hundreds of millions of dollars of steel and machinery and everything just sit down there and rust or decay or sold off.

That's why you were so committed.

And then you brag about the comprehensive bipartisan conservatives were for it, four Republicans were for it.

Naive,

because it allowed four to five thousand people every day to come across the border.

It didn't say

four or five thousand stops.

In other words, we will do things once we apprehend and prevent coming across the border.

It said once 4,000 or 5,000 people make it across.

Why do they have to make it across?

It's illegal.

So

everybody knows that she's lying, and I think they're getting really upset about it.

And it just depends on Donald Trump maintaining his calm and talking about the issues.

Yesterday,

he's got to be very careful about those rallies because he can't win Michigan or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania without a forward at 6% margin of independence.

So when he was yesterday,

I think he, I don't know whether, was he in Wisconsin when he said Joe Biden, and I think he said something like, Joe Biden is mentally impaired, but Kamala Harris was born that way.

Yeah.

That was kind of a takeoff on that line.

You remember Lee Marvin and the professionals?

He said, most people are SOBs, but you are a self-made man or something, something like that.

But the point is, you don't want, you can say she's tongue-tied, she has word salads, but you don't want to say that she's black, not black, or that she's mentally impaired.

Because what that does

is people,

it's,

you know, I'm the grandfather of a mentally impaired child who's wonderful, Lila.

And she has Smith-McGinnis syndrome and it's missing two

genes.

And so, you know,

when I hear that he makes fun of the way people talk, and she does talk funny, but she's not mentally impaired.

It's not mentally impaired.

She's intellectually lazy, is what she is.

What do I mean by that?

I mean that every time she goes out to talk, some of those aides give her briefs.

And they say, these are their talking points.

This is the data.

This is your memorized support.

And she just tosses it off.

And

she thinks to herself, why should I do that?

My whole life, I've just smiled and cackled, and I've charmed people.

And I've emphasized my black and female fides.

So I don't want to sit there and have to bone up on this when the media is in my corner and they've always helped me.

That's the problem, Mr.

Trump.

It's not that she's mentally impaired.

It's not.

She's got an animal cunning.

She's just like Trump, but maybe she's cunning.

She's not stupid,

but she's lazy.

Just like Barack Obama said, I'm lazy.

And other people have said they're lazy as well.

So Trump shouldn't say that because it hurts the independent vote.

It really does.

I know what he means, but it's not.

The Trump that was on Guttfeld a few weeks ago was wonderful, wonderful.

Yeah, you know, very relational and funny.

I don't know.

I know that the

rallies

give give a sense of momentum,

but I'm not sure for three or four reasons in a cost-to-benefit analysis this last 38, some days, it's worth it.

Maybe for about five reasons.

One,

they're going to try to shoot him again.

I really believe that, God forbid, because it's pretty clear the more that we hear what happened.

in Butler and the more we hear what happened at the golf course, the more we see that the incompetence is not

it's just not accidental.

It's institutional in the Secret Service.

I don't know whether it's their hiring.

I don't know whether it's their protocols.

I don't know if it's their past directors or interim directors, but they cannot or will not give him the type of protection necessary to prevent somebody.

And when he goes out

in those rallies, he is,

there's a lot of people that say, you know what, they can't protect him.

They haven't done it twice.

And he's Hitler.

They say he's Hitler.

And just the other day, Cap,

you know, Ramundo said he should be what?

She said he should be

extinguished.

We've heard he should be eliminated.

That was David Plouf should be

eliminated.

Oh, that was,

sorry, Dan Goldman, you said that.

Plouf said he should be destroyed.

Hillary said she said he was, she the other day said that she wasn't sad about using the term deplorable, irredeemable.

So they're getting that impression.

So these people, and so that I would not do very many of these.

I would do one or two.

And you could spend your time much more effectively, I think,

to just get on gut feel that type of venue or get on

interviews and just laugh and be calm

and not

black media yeah yeah go go to I wouldn't I wouldn't I'm not talking about going on MSNBC or CNN or ABC not at all I'm talking about going on Joe Rogan I'm talking about going on Jordan Peterson I'm talking Cucker Carlson I'm talking about black media Hispanic media univision all of that

but

we should get him on the Victor Davis Hanson show I'm happy to do it.

I'd be happy to do it.

I think

I would like it.

I think he'd do well.

I wouldn't try to ambush him, but I wouldn't ask softball questions either.

And I think he'd be good.

That's exactly what he does very well.

Well,

we're going to have to.

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Yeah, Victor, let's see.

I'm going to make a little effort to see if we can get Donald Trump on.

I've got about eight or nine people that have contacted me that want to come on right away.

And I don't know.

There's no way we can accommodate them all.

No.

Wow.

Yeah, I once asked, you know, when I would go to Palm Beach, sometimes Rush would call up and I'd go over and talk to him.

Yeah.

And I always ask him now,

you didn't have interviews.

And he said, once in a great while I do.

And I had phone interviews.

I said, why?

And he said, because

I can control the medium.

And I either sink or swim on my own abilities.

And I don't, it's not hinged on other people.

I don't know if I, I don't know what he would,

that strategy, whatever the rationale was, was very effective.

I'm not a rush limbo, so I can use help from people being interviewed, but

if we were to interview all the people who requested to come on,

we wouldn't be doing this right now.

We'd have interviews every day.

Well, some of your listeners who are not fans of the host of the show might like that.

So Victor,

let's keep talking about immigration, okay?

Yes.

And then we'll wrap towards the end of the show.

We'll focus more on Kamala Harris again and Tim Walls.

So there is this really, really troubling letter that came out last week.

And it's from the acting head, I think it's the acting head of ICE,

Patrick

Lechleitner, responding to some congressional inquiries.

And this is a letter to

Congressman Tony Gonzalez.

I'm not sure.

He may be head of the Homeland Security Committee or something related to that.

Anyway, this is a laundry list

of data on

crime, of illegals.

And this is so deeply troubling, Victor.

There are, he writes here, as of July 21st, 2024, this is like light.

There were 662,566 non-citizens with criminal criminal histories on ICE's national docket, which includes those detained by ICE and on the agency's non-detained docket.

And there are many, many more on the non-detained than the detained.

Of those, 435,719 are convicted criminals and 226,847 have pending criminal charges.

Victor, the most troubling data here in this is on homicides.

So

there are

13,099 convicted criminals convicted of homicide who are over the border, or maybe some of them were even flown in

and who are not detained.

And

there are on homicide

almost 2,000 who are pending criminal charges for murder elsewhere.

That's just homicide,

every kind of sexual offenses, embezzlement, extortion, assault.

Here's assault.

62,000 illegals who've been convicted of assault are not detained, made it over the border, are not somewhere in the U.S.

now.

42,000 have pending charges.

These numbers are staggering, Victor.

What they do is when Donald Trump came down the escalator in 2015 and he said they're not giving us their best.

Some are good.

But when you've got 600,000 criminals,

you know, the vast majority convicted of them and the other pending,

he was right.

And so there's 12,000 convicted murderers right now somewhere.

Maybe they're in my hometown.

I don't know.

When I bump into them, I don't know, have any idea.

You know,

about a few years ago, I was out on the tractor and I was on an alleyway next to a eucalyptus orchard and a guy was beating up his girlfriend.

And they drive out here to do that because nobody can hear them.

So like an idiot or I think, you know, a gallant person, I got off and ran over there and said, please don't hit her.

What are you doing?

And then you know what happened, Jack?

She started screaming at me

and they both started approaching me.

And I, and, you know,

I didn't want to get in a fist fight or something, but they were cursing me in Spanish.

and then they got in the car and almost ran over me and took off.

But my point is this.

I didn't know who that guy was.

He didn't speak English.

He was beating a woman.

And that happens all the time.

You have people, you have no idea who they are.

You have no idea who they are, but you're very aware they do not speak your language, which is okay if they're legal.

But you don't know that because there's so many of them.

And then people say, well, Victor, you're stereotyping.

No, I go into the store and I see people who,

I'm not exaggerating, they don't speak Spanish, some of them.

They speak a mixotech Baja or something.

So you're not, and you know, we have right now, we have an alert at our local junior college and state college that there is an uptick in tuberculosis cases.

Los Angeles had dinghy fever.

What would you expect if you're not giving any health backgrounds of people coming across the border?

None.

None.

Zero.

So then if you say, well, you don't need to, well, then why did we have Ellis Island?

What was the point of all that?

Was all that just anti-immigrate, immigrant bashing in the 19th century?

Is that what it is?

Why did the people, and if that's true, why did the people in Martha Vineyard not let those people stay there?

Maybe they were right to do that.

Well,

my point is.

And, you know,

I turned on MSNBC, and the first thing they said in CNN, well, these people people didn't all come in the last,

they just released these figures to embarrass Camilla Harris.

Maybe so.

And some of them came from other administrations.

It was cumulative.

Okay, so they used it either.

It was available to Biden.

So you said to Joe Biden, Here's 12,000 convicted murders and some came anew, but you know what?

Some have been released and they're still here.

They've been here for years.

He didn't do anything is the point.

She was rancing around with a bunch of college students in 2019 in Los Angeles saying, no deportations, no deportations.

There's 600 sanctuary city jurisdictions that say you cannot

notify ICE that when you arrest or you convict or whatever, they will not turn over a criminal to ICE.

They won't do it.

They will not do it.

And it's,

you know, it's neo-Confederate nullification.

It's just nullification.

Neo-Confederate nullification.

It's all it is.

It's just what the Confederates did in 1832 in South Carolina with tariffs.

It's just what they did in the late 1850s.

They just said the law is not going to apply to us.

And believe me, if the right did that.

There's 600 jurisdictions, Jack, where the endangered species federal act doesn't apply to us.

So we're going to just smash that three-toed, three-spotted toad and build our building right on top of his burrow.

See how that goes over.

Our federal gun registration doesn't apply to us in Utah.

So you can just walk in, don't have to do any paperwork, and walk out with a 45 automatic.

How's that?

Is that what the country you want, where there's no federal law that's adhered to universally?

Because that's what they're doing.

And

Trump tried to stop that and said, well, he was going to suspend.

They should just say, we're not going to give federal funds to people who break the law.

That's been used in the past.

Why that hasn't?

I think that was how the 55-mile an hour national limits were.

Yeah, they did.

They did.

They weren't going to get road aid unless you did.

Yeah.

They weren't going to get their fair share of federal tax dispersions on

highway maintenance and construction unless they enforced the 55-mile hour save gas law.

Yeah.

So anyway, it's

all of this is starting to bother a lot of people.

And the

just the as I said, just the callousness and the lying, the lying, the lying, the lying.

Right.

And that's what people get really angry about, the lying.

Why doesn't she just say this?

Look.

Under Joe Biden and I,

I said the border was secure.

And what I meant was it's secure the way we want it to be secure, which means we let in 12 million people.

Now, we let them in

because

we believe in diversity, equity, inclusion.

And we feel these people are going to be constituents.

Maybe not now, but soon with amnesties.

They're hardworking people.

We want more of them.

Our fertility rate's too low, so we're importing people.

And we feel that we're the most generous to them.

And the Democratic Party ensures them health, educational, housing, food,

legal subsidies.

And we expect something in exchange.

And that's just the way it's going to be.

So we don't believe in a border.

That's a 19th century concept.

This is the era of globalization.

People should be free to go wherever they want.

And that's why we stopped the wall.

It's why we stopped.

asylum request in your home country.

That's why we brought back catch and release.

And that's why we don't deport anybody.

And that's why we don't think it's a crime.

And we're here to persuade you that that's the correct position.

Why doesn't she just say that?

Because when she doesn't, and she lies about everything I just said,

says that that's her new position, what she's saying is that

one of two things: I'm completely bankrupt, and I had stupid ideas that everybody hated.

Or come,

what, November 6th, the day after the election,

if if I lose and I have three months left on my lame duck vice presidential tenure,

I'm just going to go back to where I was.

I'm going to open that border wide open, just like it was.

Or if she wins and she says, I got a four-year tenure.

I fooled him once.

I lied at the last 40 days.

I'm going to open that border and get another 10 to 15 million future constituents.

And then come 2028, right around October, September, I'm going to start lying again and said I secured the border.

It worked once, why won't it work again?

That's what we're dealing with.

Well, people, no matter what, you don't have to live in a big city.

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Victor, a little more on Kamala at the Border if you have time for that.

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Seems like he's been,

at least the perception, nice picture he took with Alex Soros.

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Victor,

I can't see how it was in her interest to go to the border, but Kamala Harris did.

She spent 20 minutes there.

I don't think she met with any agents, probably a couple of Biden administration upper-level hacks, gave some picture, but I think a picture that just plays into her hypocrisy, phoniness.

Any last thoughts on her and the border?

Well, her going to the border, Jack, would be like Claudine Gay

right before she felt she could be fired, going to a synagogue to convince them that Harvard had no tolerance for anti-Semitism.

How would that work?

What would the people in the synagogue think?

They would think she was a callous, conniving opportunist that was lying to them.

So they can all laugh that she did her 30-minute photo op.

She looked

authoritative, she thought, she gave her little talk, but all the border people, they know that she, she, when she says, these are the hardest working people.

No, you call them Ku Klux Klan.

You call them no different than slave owners who whip people.

They know that.

They remember that.

So I don't think it's going to work.

I think it's going to backfire.

And today when I woke up, I looked at some of the recent polls.

And it looks to me as if Nevada is dead even.

dead even.

And Arizona is not dead even anymore.

It's three to four points ahead for Trump.

A lot of that is the California phenomenon.

And I think they don't quite understand.

They keep bragging about this wreck of California being so blue.

But what's happening in California, the red voters have no voice.

So they're leaving.

And thousands of them have been going to Arizona and Nevada.

And even the ones that are left-wing, who leave because of tax purposes or schools, when they go there,

they tend to be independent and they're not necessarily any longer left-wing people.

And so

I think that that's a lot of what's happening.

And the other thing that's happening, that

this party has alienated Mexican-American people and Central American people, of which there are millions in Nevada and Arizona.

And I think a lot of it is the lying, the lying about inflation, that it's no problem, the lying that she had no

role in the Biden administration, I'm not Joe Biden, when he just said that she was involved in every major decision, the lying on Afghanistan, that it was Trump's fault.

And I just think people

just feel she's lying.

And

it's Trump's election to lose.

All he has to do is not go to ad hominem, restrain himself, as I said before.

Get Nikki Haley on there.

I know that

she's been angry at him because he called her bird brain years ago.

She brought it up.

But just get her on the stage,

say nice things about Governor Kemp in Georgia and mean it.

And I would get DeSantis, brag about what he's doing, the great job he's doing with the hurricane, Helene,

and be ecominical.

And he'll win.

He'll win by five points.

He will carry the swing states.

If he takes Nevada, North Carolina, and Arizona, and I think he will,

then it's just either Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania.

I think he can take Pennsylvania.

And

you had written

at some point back several weeks ago that maybe the greatest

asset Kamala Harris had was the clock.

And that's running out the clock.

Running it out.

And then you wrote the other day on X, you wrote a significant

post

that the clock may no longer be her

ally.

You want to say anything about that

ex-post?

Well,

she's running out the clock

and people know it

and

they feel used because that's not what the party who believes that democracy dies in darkness.

It's not the party who has alleged that conservatives are destroying democracy.

That's not what you do.

You're transparent.

You do what Donald Trump, you go out in the media and expose yourself 73, 75 times to interviews,

many of them hostile.

And you'll speak to anyone anywhere, anytime about anything.

You go to rallies, you go off script.

He does all these things.

It doesn't always work out well for him.

He went on debate,

a setup debate on CNN, which was a stress test.

If he had not have gone in that debate, Joe Biden, it would have been very hard to remove him.

And that would have been a landslide win.

And they knew that.

That was a stress test.

It was a setup.

Never had before, we'll never see again a debate before either candidate was nominated or either convention was held.

Then he went on.

The worst of the network news, ABC.

And so he's done all this, and she hasn't.

And people are getting very, very tired of it because she's running a stealth, run-out-the-clock campaign, and she's in a doom loop.

She knows she has to go out there.

And she knows that if she goes out there, even with an Oprah, even with a Stephanie Rule, even with three black journalists who are advocates for her, even with a local left-wing,

she can't do it.

She just goes into her word salad.

I'm from the middle class, and you take all those four interviews.

You can play clips that are almost identical to what she said in the debate.

She, in other words, just cans,

she just memorizes little sound bits of about 30 to 80, 90 seconds, and then she plugs them in no matter what the question is.

They have no relevancy as far as an answer to a question that's addressed because she thinks that the, and she thinks correctly, that the interviewer will not follow up.

And more importantly, she understands one other thing, that these people have no shame.

So when

the anchor man from Philadelphia looked at that Dana Bash, Tim Waltz, Kamala Harris interview.

He didn't say, I have to be tough.

No, he said, I got to help her.

And when the three journalists from the Association of Black Journalists saw the Philadelphia interview, they didn't say, I've got to really nail her down now.

That was a disgrace to my profession.

No, they said, we've got to help her even more.

That's what they said.

And when Oprah saw that interview, she said, wow, I've got to help them even more.

I've got to be even more intellectually dishonest than they were.

And she was really answering some of the questions herself.

And then when Stephanie Will saw it, she said,

I've just got to, I'll ask her about McDonald's.

I'll just, but I will never ask her.

All she had to do about the McDonald's question, she said, well, you said you did this.

I didn't mean I'm flipping burgers.

I was doing fries.

All she had to say is, Vice President Harris, there's all this right-wing accusations that you never, that you're not honest about your biography, about being middle class.

Could you just tell us what McDonald's you worked at and what year it was?

That's all we want to know.

Was it in L.A.?

And if so, where in L.A.

and what year it was?

Because you've made that kind of a...

inadvertently a signature of your biography to prove you're middle class or lower middle class upbringing.

And what would she say?

She couldn't say, well, she knew she couldn't ask there that question.

So my point is that each interview tries to be,

doesn't correct the prior one.

It tries to be more obsequious.

Right.

And people know that.

So then they say, well, we can't put her out there.

And then they think, we can't put her out there, but we got even more demands when we can't put her out there.

So then they ask us,

well, she's not doing interviews.

And then what do we do?

Well, she interviewed with Oprah.

Yeah, that's the point.

She didn't say anything.

Well, she interviewed with Stephanie.

Yeah, that's the point.

So they don't know what to do.

And that's why I got, that's like a maniac like James Carville gets on hinge.

Every once in a while, he enters the news cycle saying some outrageous,

insensitive, crude thing because he's an old pro, and he had Bill Clinton, who was an inveterate liar, but who was a smooth liar, and he had an encyclopedia, encyclopediac

memory.

He did.

He did, yeah.

So when he, I will never forget that debate with Bob Dole.

Finally, Bob Dole said something like, what are you?

I don't know what he said, a computer or something, because he just rattled off, you know.

Yeah.

They say, you're not a, I had 100,000 police officers, 100,000 school uniforms for young kids.

That kind of stuff.

He just,

and she can't do that.

And they know that.

And she can't, they know that because they used her as Joe Biden's insurance policy for three years.

Don't get rid of Joe.

You want Camilla?

Victor, I think the authentic Camela, if there is one, is probably the senator who and the

vice president behind the closed doors of the office who just round through staff.

That's prima donna, spoiled baby, always got her way.

She has no ideology, though.

If you mean that the most liberal senator voted the most left-wing senator,

that's hard call because when she was Willie Brown's paramour and he was vouching for her in a very different climate of the early 21st century in San Francisco when people still, business interest wanted

an orderly city, she was billed as a city attorney that would go after people who were tardy from school, go after marijuana users.

And she bragged about that.

She was left-wing, apparently.

But the point is, she doesn't have any political ideology.

She's center-left, but she just adapts.

Her biggest problem is, though, as I said, she's intellectually lazy.

She's never had to perform because she started out using her sex appeal, her race and her gender, to impress a man who was, what, 35 years older, to put her in positions of which she was utterly unqualified.

And each time that she got one of those positions, it led to a promotion or a better board.

And then she got the old San Francisco money behind her, and she got elected as a city and county attorney.

Then she was off to the races.

But even as Attorney General, she almost lost.

She had to have a, I think she only won by a 1,500 votes in California.

Oh, is that close?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember it went on, the voting went on for a week after the election day.

So they've got a problem with her.

It doesn't mean she won't win.

Right.

But

I just saw that the she has raised $750 million.

I think Trump has raised $430 million.

Now a moderate, some of you are going to say, well, Victor, the election is only going to be determined in four or five states.

How much money you can pour in there?

So $430 million is quite adequate to saturate Nevada, North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania.

You know, so maybe they're right.

But

this is not the way that the politics have evolved in our lifetime, it's not a 50-state race anymore.

People have so self-selected ideologically and geographically that there's not that many swing states left.

She's spending some of the money on advertisements.

And Victor, this goes into her being a liar.

And you wonder about the campaign.

Did they not think,

how could they not have thought this wouldn't have been uncovered?

So this is an ad running in Pennsylvania of two former Trump

voters and supporters who are now Harris supporters, so disgruntled with Donald Trump.

The problem is they're paid actors.

who are actually activist actors found out easily.

Just another lie.

lie and we've been down this road before with her where they hired wasn't a political ad but they hire um

actors for when she was talking to kids yeah about space

about space yeah she hired actors and she went in when she did some of her quote-unquote spontaneous with their pretzel commercials or she went in to talk to people in a store and said she just loved some kind of middle-class pretzel those that was all staged she staged that before she went in.

She was going down

the lanes looking for, but she'd already scripted that.

She's not authentic.

She's not lower middle class.

She's an entitled upper middle class.

Nor is authentic her running mate.

So another interesting, this wasn't an ad, although kind of a social media video, so essentially an ad of him, I think a lot of people have seen it, Tim with the truck, you know, he's got his truck and he's got the hood up and he's replacing the

air filter, but he's not.

I replaced my first air filter, I think, when I was 11 years old.

And that's not a commentary on Victor the mechanic.

That's the commentary was standing with just my dad when he was changing the oil into spark plugs and he was trying to tune it up.

And he said, see that thing?

Just take that wing nut and spin it off.

And here, this, just throw it in there and then close it, Victor.

So if you had a normal car of any kind, a truck, if you if you unscrewed a wing nut off the air filter, your hands would have soot or be black, right?

Or especially if you're working, and his hands were pristine.

Here I'm working on it, and it was just all like

just a lie, a lie.

Um, I don't think anyone would be surprised by that.

He's also um got himself um

in the news again by

going to Manhattan, having a dinner with the billionaire heir, Alex Soros, who is, I think he's engaged to

Mrs.

Anthony Wiener.

Mrs.

Weener.

Huma.

Uma, Aberdeen.

Yeah.

And there's this terrible picture of Wall standing there with Alex Soros, who's in the background, and it just looks like he's the toady of the guy whose family is supposedly more progressive and activist than his own man who

bought all these

big city DAs that have turned our major cities into hellholes.

So I think Tim Walls has

had a good week.

By the way, Victor, today, this podcast is being recorded on Sunday, the 29th.

It is aired on...

the 1st, October 1st, which I think is the day of Tim Walls' debate

with J.D.

Vance.

That's going to be very interesting, Jack, because

he is a blowhard, and he screams and yells, and he goes into that kind of wild dances, and then he does his little, puts his hands like he's doing some Chinese prayer, and then he points to various people in the audience.

He wears kind of that young tight suit that doesn't befit him very well.

Right.

And he looks like a a buffoon.

And

he can't calm down.

And I don't think he's well liked because as soon as they put him on the ticket, Minnesota went from, you know,

I think it was the only state that voted for Walter Mondale.

It was

always he Trump's only five or six points behind in Minnesota in some polls because he's widely disliked.

I think Trump went to that Alabama game and he was cheered and Waltz thought he would kind of match that and go to the

booed, I think,

as he walked in.

So I don't think he's very well liked.

I think he's a buffoon as well.

And I think J.D.

Vance, the media has ⁇ the reason that the media hates him

is twofold.

One, they adored him.

when he was critical of the white working class, albeit in a constructive fashion.

And now they feel that that they helped him gain notoriety.

And now he has,

as we knew and I have talked about that, he has realized that the white rural Appalachian class, for all the pathologies of that culture,

had undeniable innate resilience.

And there were commendable things about it.

And he's emphasizing that now.

And they hate that class.

They hate them.

And the second thing they hate, he's articulate.

And he, man

when he goes on he goes right into the arena on weekend talk shows and i haven't seen him lose one of those debates with the network anchors that that's all they do is ambush right-wing and they all are pretty successful at it they go after him and he corrects them he doesn't lose his temper they lose their temper right and

i met a thing yesterday victor where he was uh he was kept out of a restaurant.

And he was very poised about the whole thing.

He was very passionate.

People were outraged in the restaurant.

Yeah.

But he wasn't.

He wasn't.

I've talked to him once on the phone, and I've met him in person.

He's very calm.

A lot of people got angry about the appointment.

They said, you know, he's another white male.

Ohio is not in play.

Victor, how can you criticize Waltz for bringing nothing to the ticket when J.D.

Vance is in the same situation?

And I thought to him, I said, no, he's not.

There's a big difference.

He

has not lied about his biography, but more importantly, he can speak well and he's articulate and he's rational and he's a great debater.

And he will be a wonderful TV surrogate for Trump.

And Waltz will be an embarrassment.

I don't think Waltz even does it anymore, does he?

Does he go on any ⁇ that's the thing that people don't cover, Jack.

We keep saying that Biden has been hidden and Harris has been hidden, but they've all been hidden.

Waltz doesn't go out and do interviews, does he?

I haven't seen him.

He can't do them.

He can't do them either.

I got to read this to you, Victor.

I got an email from

Dan from

Minnesota, Dan the Ironworker.

We've talked about him before quite a while ago, but this just came today.

He says, I interviewed Dr.

Scott Jensen yesterday for my Wright County, that's in Minnesota, GOP podcast.

If you weren't aware,

he, Jensen, was the last person to debate Walls back in

2022 while they ran for Minnesota governor.

And if you also weren't aware, Walls skipped the second debate after Jensen destroyed him in the first one months earlier.

Yet he, Walls, loves to suggest Trump is a wuss for potentially not wanting a second debate against the cackle.

So I got to go find that first debate and see the evidence of him being destroyed.

But I wouldn't be surprised by what Dave the Ironworker tells us here.

Yeah,

I think he's right.

I don't know.

We'll see, but I think it's Tuesday night, and I don't think, I don't like to predict debates, but

I was worried about the Trump debate because I didn't think that he had prepared at all for it.

And he said that.

He said, oh, I don't have to prepare.

I prepare every day when I meet the media.

But when you looked at that Biden debate,

I guess that was June 13th.

The thing about it was he said he killed Biden, but he didn't have to.

He just kind of watched a meltdown.

It was like a guy at the scene of an accident.

Like, remember Trump at one point said, I, what do you say to that?

I don't know what he said.

I have no idea what he said.

And he was just being honest.

Wasn't trying to be clever.

And I, so he was just a witness to

a wicked witch of the East being have water thrown on her, you know, like Dorothy, just watching.

I think it's Wicked Witch of the West, by the way.

Yes.

Of the West.

Yes.

He was just watching.

he was just watching a meltdown.

Yeah.

And he didn't prepare her.

So I was worried about that because I knew that they would give her sound bites.

I knew the moderators were going to be crooked and biased and they would warp the, and they would be, and they did.

But

I'm not worried about J.D.

Vance.

Right.

Because he's going to do wonderfully.

Yeah.

And

they're going to have the most biased moderators, too.

Well,

look forward to it.

Hey, Victor, we are about at the end here other than to do some of the business that we tend to do.

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And I've got two

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He is the best because he is factual.

He does not try to sway an opinion with shouting, with cursing, or with half-truth.

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It's titled VDH War Evaluation.

Excellent with VDH calm, measured, insightful.

Sadly, the negative is co-host, Mr.

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Again, Mr.

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Victor and Sammy.

That sounds what people say to me, to my

Victor and Sammy are great.

I now will only listen to podcasts with Victor and Sammy, although he has hogged in on this one.

Anything to demean Sammy, I'm sorry.

I don't know how we can do that.

Why do he keep saying that I demean Sammy?

No, no, I'm demeaning.

I'm the demeanor of Sammy.

Yeah, yeah.

So anyway, this is signed by

everybody.

Sammy's not a victim.

I can guarantee you she's not a victim.

Sammy's the best.

She dishes it out as much as she takes it.

Well, she's terrific.

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