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Victor, I wanted to start off this

Friday news roundup with what the Democrats are talking about doing as they see maybe the possibility of Trump beating Kamala.

Jamie Raskin has talked about or said that the Democrats should get ready to use the 14th Amendment and claim that Donald Trump is an insurrectionist and so he can't hold office.

And I was wondering your thoughts on that approach.

So spoke, what, an Eastern liberal former University Harvard law graduate who is married to another swamp creature who is

on, I guess, was rejected for the Federal Reserve or something because she wanted to use monetary policy to affect climate change.

And we're supposed to take him seriously as a voice of the people.

He's an elite.

He's an Eastern academic, hardcore leftist, and he takes the Fourth Amendment and he attacks the court at every turn.

He takes the Fourteenth Amendment, which was passed for one particular purpose.

One particular purpose.

As the country united, people in the North did not want to

allow former Confederate officers

into the political environment.

And they did not want to have to pay the debt of the bankrupt Confederacy to private Confederate bondholders.

So they passed a series of articles under the 14th Amendment that said, no person who engaged in a rebellion against the federal government shall hold office.

And that's something that the Senate can determine, the Congress can.

Does anybody believe that

a one-day demonstration that turned violent for some in the Capitol is a rebellion when not one single person inside the Capitol had a firearm nor threatened to use a firearm?

And there were only two people who probably died violently.

One was a middle-aged woman who died in the tumult

of the protest outside of the Capitol.

And the other was Ashley Babbitt.

She was 105 pounds, a military veteran, 14 years, and she was shot while unarmed, entering a window.

We know what happens in America when that occurs, because we saw George Floyd.

He was, what, a four-time felon, put a gun to a woman's belly, pregnant belly.

was under the influence, was engaged in counterfeit trafficking with counterfeit currency, had been pulled over before, was probably high on opiates or fentanyl, and was resisting arrest.

And we made him, because he died under police custody, a national hero.

Well, entering a broken window is a misdemeanor, usually.

And if it was in 2020, it's nothing because they let 14,000 people off, and she was shot.

So that's not the casualties of an insurrection.

Excuse me.

And more importantly, an insurrectionary leader does not say, even if he's like Trump, shouldn't have told everybody to go home, but he does not say

assemble peacefully and patriotically at the Capitol.

They don't say that.

They say, go get your arms and let's have an insurrection.

You know what is much closer to an insurrection?

Is the following.

Tim Waltz, the governor of Michigan, excuse me, Minnesota, in 2020, saying that he understands why

people are in the street burning, looting, killing, and why when he opened a snitch line that said anybody who leaves this home should be ratted out to the government because we're under COVID lockdown, and then he gives an exemption for thousands of people to demonstrate against his own martial law plan because they're for BLM and equity and health.

That's what he did.

And then you had Kamala Harris bailing out people people who had used violence in that insurrection, if that's what it was.

And then you had Camilla Harris in June saying, These things will not stop, nor shall they stop.

They're going to keep on going.

Beware, get used to it.

They're going to go all the way to election day.

She knew they were violent.

And every fact-checker knew that.

And that's why they went out immediately.

They said, She didn't mean that it was violent.

She was only talking about the non-violent protests.

Oh, yeah, right.

And so that is insurrectionary.

So, what the left usually does is they they project.

And they know that people like Waltz and Harris, who ironically are now a team, think DeSantis said, burn it down team, or let it burn team,

they aided and abetted protests that turned very violent, that burned down a police precinct in

Minneapolis, a courthouse in Portland, a St.

John's Episcopal church almost in Washington.

And they tried to storm the White House ground.

That is insurrectionary and they abetted it.

So then they project and go back and try to misuse and misapply.

The 14th Amendment was specifically passed in the tumultuous years after the Civil War to make sure that the winning side, the Northerners, didn't have a bunch of Confederate officers who'd taken up arms against the North

going back and resuming their congressional seats.

So they were barred.

And then second, Confederate Confederate bombs were junk.

And there were railroads, there were private companies that had lent money, and the government said, we're not going to bail you out.

You were insurrected.

And so it's just perverse.

I say that because, you know,

he's the representative that wears the

scarf around his head because he's undergoing chemotherapy.

He's had colon cancer, and then I think he had recurrence from the radiation of lymphoma.

So I have sympathy for him.

But he's a firebrand.

and he doesn't do any good to basically talk of insurrection, because what he's saying is if Donald Trump, after

having

almost been shot, and after failed attempts illegally to bar him from the ballot, as the Supreme Court found, and after five civil and criminal cases that are evaporating, if he should win, then we're going to deny the will of the people.

We're going to have an insurrection and use an obscure 14th Amendment in a way that was never intended to punish him.

And then he mentioned civil war in that discourse.

He said, well, we don't know.

It might be a civil war.

In other words, he was hoping that people would get angry and you could arm them as Nancy Pelosi armed the Capitol.

So

it's really irresponsible.

And that shows you the left, when he said that, is terrified.

They're still terrified.

Yeah, they're terrified of losing.

I was thinking that as well.

Because they know everybody should remember the reason they're terrified is they swore to us

again and again and again that Joe Biden was completely fit as a fiddle.

Hail, if you suggested anything, then you were engaging in what, a cheap fake?

You were a liar.

We had Scarborough got on there and screamed and yelled.

And then they looked at the debate and they looked at the polls and they said, oh my God, it's not that he's going to lose by eight points to Donald Trump.

It's not that he's going to be wiped out in the Electoral College.

He's going to take five senate seat.

They're going to get 55 senators.

And they're going to expand a 40, 50 person margin.

And when they win the White House, they're going to have a conservative agenda.

We've got to get out of this.

And then they got together and said, narrative A, in the memory hole.

Narrative B, now operative.

And then somebody said, well, you're going to get rid of Biden.

What if he doesn't want to?

Narrative C.

You tell that SOB if he does not want to give up his nomination, then he should give up his presidency.

Well, 25th Amendment, him.

And by the way, Raskin was one of the representatives in 2017 who said that Trump was unfit and should face a 25th Amendment removal process.

Compare Trump to Biden, which he said was very fit.

Okay, so that was what

they were engaged in.

And then suddenly,

narrative C.

Somebody said, well, okay, let me get this straight.

Biden is fit as a fiddle yesterday, the day after the debate, and the polls come out.

He's not fit.

We got that memorized.

But we always said that when we were trying to save him, that we couldn't remove him because we leaked that Kamala Harris was incompetent.

So what do we do?

And they said, narrative C.

She's Cicero.

She's Einstein.

She's brilliant.

So then the person said, the party said, behind closed doors, the donors, the party bosses, the politicals, they said, okay, let's get this straight.

Biden was okay.

And then we made him take a stress test debate, and he failed.

And it's still have time.

That's why we timed it in an historical fashion.

We've never had a debate before the nominees were announced or picked or before the conventions.

So we got the narrative down that he was fine.

And now we have to change the narrative.

that he's non-complicated.

Yes.

And now we have to force him to get out, not just say that he's unfit and leak that he's senile, but leak that we're going to remove him from the presidency.

What do we do about

the sense that we're telling the country he's unfit for our party, but he's fit for you to be president?

Don't worry about that.

That's the next narrative.

The next narrative is get rid of him.

Okay, now we have the third narrative that Kamala is a genius and we all get behind her.

That's what we're going to do.

And that's how they engage.

And then the narrative machine says, and you call them all weird.

Weird.

They're weird.

They're weird.

They get married.

They have children.

They have a nuclear family.

They're heterosexual.

Some of them go to church.

That's weird.

You know, they don't do normal things like steal women's clothing at carousel.

Yeah.

And they don't dress up in women's clothes and say that they're biologically of the opposite sex.

They don't do that.

Or they don't have breast implants as males and then take their top off at White House Easter services.

That's normal.

And that's what they're asking us to believe.

And it's not weird to have an open border.

See, these people are nihilists.

It's not the Democratic Party that argues within the sidelines.

These people are Jacobins, French revolutionaries, and they believe the system has to be destroyed.

You have to destroy the icons of it.

You have to tear down statues.

You have to change the foundational date, 1776 to 1619.

You've got to whip up racial animosity.

You have to destroy the border, not open it, destroy it.

You've got to destroy the idea of the immigration service.

As Kamala Harris said, just get rid of it.

Get rid of it.

Or you have to destroy the idea of private health.

Just start from scratch.

ICE can start from scratch.

Just get rid of it.

So they're really neo-Marxist.

They're very dangerous people.

And I keep saying that.

And a lot of people have written me and said, well, yeah, Trump got off topic with Kemp.

He went into an ambush with the racial ancestry of Kamala Harris, but why do you criticize him?

I'm not criticizing him.

I'm trying to tell him something in this little tiny voice out in the middle of nowhere, irrelevant, in Selma, California.

Please, you don't understand.

You can win this election.

These people are outright Marxist,

but not if you feed this biased media machine and you lose six hours hours to a Kemp remark or I didn't know she was black remark, you have no margin of error.

Just look what Ronald Reagan did in 1980 when he was behind like you are.

He destroyed Jimmy Carter in a debate, and then they ran ads, and bam, he never deviated and started attacking Republicans.

And he had a lot of reason to.

Trump is mad at Kemp, but George H.W.

Bush called

Reagan in the primaries.

He said he engages in voodoo economics.

And what did he do?

He forgave him and he made him his vice president candidate.

Yeah.

It's not about Trump, it's about the United States survival.

Yeah.

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Josh Shapiro and two things about it.

One, and you might not want to answer that, but do you think Kamala rejected him or did he refuse it?

What is question one?

And question two is the fact that Josh Shapiro is not on the ticket, what do you think that means for the Democratic Party and then American politics?

Well, we talked a little bit about Jack, but since we've talked, there's been some new news developments.

And

he gave some astounding statements, and I guess some Jewish members of the punditry have used the word, he tried to un-Jew himself.

I thought that was kind of a pejorative.

Yeah.

Un-Jew.

I've never heard that term, but I've heard it now from three or four commentators who are Jewish.

And what they're saying is that he was pandering to Kamala Harris to disown earlier essays in which he trashed radical Palestinians or he bragged about his service, even if it was in an auxiliary fashion with the IDF etc and he wanted to distance himself and then he accentuated his attacks on Netanyahu and stuff and it was all for nothing I think what happened is he really wanted the job but then he had an interview with her we know one thing about her she's incompetent and she's insecure

so

He comes in the room.

I'm just speculating, but he's brash.

He's 51.

He's kind of a good-looking, well-spoken guy.

He can think on his feet, he's very articulate, he's sitting on 19 electoral votes, he's a very popular governor, and he probably comes in and says, I can deliver you, Pennsylvania, and with it, the election.

And she's thinking, hmm, this guy is really ambitious, and he is a better politician than I am.

And he's a governor, he's had executive experience.

If I pick him,

He may be not just my hitman or my spokesperson, but he may, because I'm incompetent and I can't speak, and to see me and to hear me is not to want me to speak.

So I might have to hide and turn over my presidency to this brash young guy.

So you know what?

That is one reason.

I'm not compatible.

And then the other reason, of course, is you can imagine what the squad, you can imagine what Omar and AOC and Elizabeth Warren, and they probably called up and said, look,

it's going to be hard enough to have a

convention in Chicago when there's a war in the Middle East.

And the problem is Biden doesn't care anymore about the Arab American vote in Michigan.

In fact, he's angry at you because you sabotaged him.

So he's coordinating right now

in a way that he didn't before with Israel.

He's giving them his support for the impending attack.

And given that wily old guy from Scranton, he may want to hurt you because you helped engineer, along with Pelosi and the Clintons and Obama, his removal.

So,

add all that up,

your administration, because technically you're still vice president.

You don't act like it, but you are.

And your administration is going to be helping Israel now.

And Biden seems suddenly not worried about the voters because he's not running, and you are.

So, maybe to needle you, he might want to get a little closer to Israel.

And if he is, and you pick Shapiro,

we're going to riot at

that convention.

And it's going to be make 1968.

And then probably

Camilla said, well,

if I don't pick him, and I don't want to pick him, I don't like him.

I agree with you.

But if I don't pick him, then everybody says I'm very radical.

And I said, yes, you are.

And that's what we like about you.

We'll get everybody out to vote.

And he said, but,

well, I've seen men anti-Semitism.

Who cares?

Who cares?

All you should know is we're going to riot if you pick him, and we're going to blow up the party and the convention.

That's what happened.

Yeah.

So, and she hesitated because she's weak and she can't make decisions.

And,

you know, I've been listening, I've been on Fox a few times, and I have a little sympathy for them because they went from the

out of the fine pan into the fire.

At least with Biden, they could say he's old or he had a stroke or he had COVID.

But what's her excuse?

It's just a complete rinse,

wash, rinse, and spin.

And, you know, it's like that art of diplomacy is the art of a school bus is a school bus is a school bus.

And tomorrow is today and the future, that kind of stuff.

Because she's always blinked her eyes and flirted in front of men when she was young and she thought hot and she gestured and said nothing, but articulated her nothingness pretty well.

And they went for her.

And now she's a middle-aged woman that looks completely ridiculous.

And so when they say, Well, we haven't seen her for 14 days, she's given no interview to a real journalist.

She has a teleprompted everything.

Yes, what do you want them to do?

Bring her out on the tarmac and have her talk about the art of diplomacy for 60 seconds?

Because to hear her and to see her is to hope that she remains secluded and quiet.

And that's the truth.

That woman has, you know,

it was,

you know, people had these terms they used in World War II and they talked about in World War I,

the British

First Lord of the Admiralty and he could win or lose the World War I at Jutland in one day.

She can win or lose, she can lose that presidency bid in one day.

Just give her out there with talking about space exploration or yellow school buses and have that on a major ABC outlet that people watch

and on filter and live so they can't edit it.

That's it.

And they know that.

They know that because they used to say that.

They called her the Spiro Agnew, that you couldn't get rid of their beloved Biden because if you did, you'd have her, just like Nixon had Spiro Agnew.

And now they're in this unenviable position.

They're thinking, gosh, what do we say?

We can't say it's COVID that she's in the basement.

We can't say it's her age.

What do we say?

That she's just mindless?

Childhood?

Puero, adolescent?

What adjectives should we use?

And so that's what they do.

And you know, they have this little group.

It's like,

it reminds me,

you know,

it reminds me sometimes in my commute when I go across the San Joaquin Valley to the coast to work at Stanford and I go sometimes on Manning or and every once in a while if I go really early in the morning or late at sunset or sunrise there's people who are coming and going to work rural people and they can't see because of the sun and I've been driving and a guy's come right at me texting and I've had to go off the road maybe three or four times in the last 10 years and then once you do that You think, I survived it.

It's easy.

I'm going to go back.

And then you get back and you got the music on your drive.

driveway.

And then the next guy does it again and again.

Three times.

It's happened on one trip.

So it's with her.

They think, okay, she's like Biden.

She got through that.

And then they, well, he had a bad debate and you recovered.

No, no, no.

It happens.

It's going to happen.

And she can't help it.

And as I said to Jack the other day, she knows it.

You know what I mean?

It reminds me of things from, there was a guy who,

I won't mention any names because he's probably listening.

You might listen, but he was a graduate student in this field of mine.

And he did not pass a test.

And then he was tutoring, but he said, I can't pass this test.

And they said, no, you can do it.

You can do it.

We'll read classical authors.

No, I can't do it.

I can't do it.

So he couldn't do it.

You know what I mean?

So she's saying, I can't do it.

I don't want to go out there and everybody's watching me to see my arm gestures and my vocabulary.

And

I can't do it yeah

and it becomes kind of a

self-obsessive compulsive yeah self-fulfilling prophecy does you know yeah

well let's go to a break and then come back and talk a little bit about the squad

stay with us and we'll be right back

Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hanson show.

So Victor, a lot of people are up for re-election this term, and many of the squad members, and two of them have lost so far.

I don't know if Jamal Bowman is actually part of the squad, but nonetheless, he's lost his seat, and so did recently Corey Bush.

And she had a pretty

disastrous downfall from that as she screamed at AIPAC, which is the American-Israeli Pact.

A PAC.

Yeah,

the Jewish cause of the Jewish cabal with horns and a tail.

And she went what?

She went fool Louis Farrakhan,

gutter religion.

Remember Farrakhan?

She went fool Al Sharpton when he said, put on those yarmicks and come over to my place.

And then she went fool Jesse Jackson with Jaime Town.

Yeah, she went full blast.

She went Black Lives Matter with the glider poster after October 7th.

She basically said, there's a cabal of Jews and I'm going to get even with them.

That's what she said.

And she made the argument for why she she shouldn't be in the U.S.

Congress.

And there's two down, and there's, I thought the squad was only Omar left and AOC.

But I guess there's a couple of two or three others that have volunteered to

Talib's still there, isn't she?

She's there.

Yeah, Talib is in it.

Oh, you're right.

Omar and AOC.

And then Bowman flamed out, and he did the same rant about Jews.

as she did.

AOC might be in trouble because remember she went to that Bowman thing and she must have been on some Adderall-like substance because she ran out and she jumped up and down, and she was like, I'm a rock star, and she made a complete fool of herself, and she started yelling.

That clip will be played again and again for the rest of her life.

And everybody's, you know, it's funny.

You can see,

you know, everybody's talking about the black vote could still, even with Kamala Harris, be anywhere from 18 to 20%.

I don't think it will, but people are saying that.

And there is a strong movement to be of black conservatives.

It's partly the appeal of the conservative message and the failure of liberalism, but part of it is a grassroots repulsion of these leaders that mimics the MAGA white working class anger at the bicoastal white elite.

And by that I mean they don't,

these people are crazy.

So a lot of black

conservatives are thinking, Bowman, who pulls a fire alarm, I'm not going to defend that guy.

Or Joy Reed, who dyes her hair blonde and every night talks about evil white people.

I'm not going to defend Maxine Waters, who says, get in people's face and to them.

All they talk about is race, race, race, race, race, race, race.

And all they're doing is make it harder for black people to transcend race.

And it's not working.

And so they're getting

people very angry at that left-wing elite.

And some of the angriest people are middle-of-the-road black people.

And the way that we are about we are being so-called white people, if I've never really identified as a white person, but I'm very angry at people who keep talking about white privilege that enjoy it to the fullest degree and then they talk about some guy at Bakersfield who changes tires as if he's got white privilege.

or what you see in England right now with all these people who intentionally destroyed immigration law and brought in millions of Muslims and third world people and poured them into these traditional communities that were being destroyed by globalization, while they made a fortune in finance and tech.

And then finally, this two-tier system of justice, whenever an immigrant or a Muslim resident of Britain hits, kills somebody, rapes them, there's this fear of a riot.

So finally they start rioting, the white people do.

They emulate the tactics of the DEI and what happens.

They're suffering from white privilege.

That's what the elite says.

No, you are.

Your white privilege was used to destroy immigration law and create this.

And you created this Frankenstinian monster of white identity.

And

it's going to continue.

Because look at the logic.

If the logic is every tribal group will now reassert their tribalism and withdraw from the commonality, then we will too, especially because there are now minorities in many of these communities.

It's like, as I said before, nuclear proliferation.

Well, if Iran has a bomb and Israel has a bomb and Pakistan has a bomb, then Saudi Arabia needs a bomb too.

And so that's what tribalism does.

And the left is

stoking the fires of tribalism, and they don't understand where it's going to lead.

They think they're going to be exempt, all these people.

I don't think they get it.

No, they sure don't.

Well, on to another topic.

Biden seems to have disappeared from the scene.

And I was wondering if you had heard any of these strange things that there are stories that Biden appearances are being doctored electronically.

You're like a big catfish at the bottom of a lake that just swallowed hook line and sink or a conspiratorial bait that there's some fake Biden

like Saddam Hussein or something.

Exactly.

That he's sick with COVID or he's in his basement in bed with his sheets over his

walking up the stairs of Air Force One.

Like Frank Biden or Jim Biden, maybe.

I don't know.

I don't think so.

I think he's just doing what he usually does.

Only now

he says,

I got away with working three days a week and they covered for me.

And Jill said, yeah, but they're not going to cover for you anymore because you're irrelevant.

Well, then I'm not going to come in at all.

Well, what do we do?

We've only got, I don't know, five months left.

Let's live it up.

We'll just hang out with free stuff and travel to our vacation homes.

And once in a while,

I don't know, give a talk about how awful Trump is and he's a criminal and that'll be it.

And then we won't do a darn thing to help Camilla.

She engineered this coup against me.

And he's probably relieved, too.

Yes.

But, you know, I know we're kind of making a little bit light of it, but that leads to a very, very serious question.

Who is running this country?

I can tell you who's running this country.

The Obamazar.

Susan Rice is running the country.

Eric Colder is running the country.

All of these people, his former campaign staff is very engaged.

There's about 30 of them, and they are running the country.

They always have been.

And what does that mean, Victor?

Well, that means that when you are Joe Biden and you have to nominate a federal court, nominee, you call up the Obi-the Michelle Barack team and you say, who do you want?

And they give you the most radical hardcore leftists and they say that's the person.

And if you don't do it, I mean, they have, well, if you don't do it, look what they did.

They're able to remove Joe Biden.

They removed Joe Biden.

Yeah.

And they anointed Kamala Harris as another useful puppet.

So you think all these cabinet members are calling up Barack Obama and asking him and his family?

Well, weren't you, if you were a cabinet member, if you were,

I don't know, if I was Anthony Blinken and he was non-composment as my boss, and I knew that Obama was calling, I would call up and say, you know, I was always best friends with you, and I'm doing everything you want, Barack.

I want to get back in the Iran deal.

I'm appeasing Iran.

I think the Palestinians are wonderful, and I'm pro-Hamas.

But

now do you like me?

And will you, you know, when you have this coup and you get Kamala in there, can I get another job?

Yeah, I guess.

Yeah.

They are leading Biden and droves and now saying they were always Kamala-Obama supporters.

Yeah.

And it's very funny because he lived by the coup.

He was going nowhere.

He lost Nevada.

He lost Iowa.

He lost...

New Hampshire.

He had not one delegate.

It was getting into the real Super Tuesday looming.

And then they said, uh-uh, Bernie, no way, Liz Warren.

No way, Pete Buttigig.

No way you could win.

We're going to resurrect this waxen figure effigy, and we're going to animate him, and you're going to get out, and we'll promise you stuff.

But we're going to use a puppet.

We're going to get a third Obama term.

And Joe, you get to be old Joe Biden from Scranton, the working man, but you're not going to run anything.

You're going to open that border, and you're going to go into modern monetary theory, and critical legal theory, and critical race theory, and you're pro-Hamas and pro-Iran,

and get rid of Anwar and cancel Keystone, mandatory EV, go the whole trans surgery, da da da da da da da da.

And that's what they did.

A party like that is not able to handle

a country that has a debt like we do.

And I was just looking at our debt statistics.

The U.S.

debt turned to 35 trillion last week and household debt is at 17.9 trillion.

And what are you making those noises for?

Because a party who helped us get into that debt doesn't know how to get out of it?

No, they don't.

They can't.

They do.

Oh, how do they get?

How would they get rid of it?

Let me ask you something.

You think debt just goes, oh, it's 2025.

There's no more debt.

No.

So how do you get rid of debt?

You have to be fiscally sound.

And if you don't want to be physically sound, how do you get rid of debt?

Well, I mean, you could totally do

monetary

walls.

Yes, yes, yes.

So you're Germany,

you're Germany in 1929, and all of a sudden

you're mad at the Versailles Treaty and the Guild Clause, and you say, they started the war, it wasn't us, and Hitler's just on the rise.

And you say, you know what?

We owe $50 billion in bullion and,

I don't know, British pounds to the French and the Americans, and we're going to pay them in marks and start the printing presses.

And that's what they did.

But that led Germany into a recession.

They had no choice, did they?

They felt that if they were going to go down, everybody was going to go down with them.

In fact, we had worse fate.

We handled the recession worse than Germany did.

Okay, then let me just say this.

You're telling me that if I'm going to vote for the Democratic Party, I am voting for the decline of not just the middle class, but everything.

Yes, I'm saying that that is only one of many ways to deal with a debt if you're a Marxist.

And the second one is you just say,

think about this.

They're already talking about a wealth tax, and Kamala has already said she wants an estate tax upped.

So they're going to raise taxes one way or the other.

Even the Hollywood Silicon Valley grandees are going to get taxed.

But you just say this.

You start a little campaign.

You say, you know what?

These people robbed us and we have people starving in the streets and they have nothing.

Look at those homeless.

And then these people are flying on Gulfstreams and somebody says, Yeah, but they're your supporters.

I don't care.

We're going to cancel some of the debt.

So we owe $36 trillion, and it's $1.3 trillion to service the debt.

Well, we can service it maybe.

We'll lower interest rates, inflate the currency.

That'll help.

Get interest down to zero like it was, basically, de facto zero, same as inflation.

And we'll inflate, so we'll pay back the debt to debt holders with cheap money.

And then, two, some of the debt holders are parasitical.

They're parasites.

They're capitalist vultures.

So if you, let's just say that if you owe you have

$5 million in government bonds or treasury bills, we'll just say you can get half.

And we're going to cancel the rest.

For the people.

For the people.

And if that doesn't work, we can be a little bit more creative and we can say,

okay, Mr.

Silicon Valley Grandee, we're very happy that you have, you know, $10 million in debt, so we're going to give you some credits.

You get to be, you know, you get 10 years of Social Security for every million dollars we take and cancel.

They have all, they have all sorts of, it won't go, but I'm a little bit inaccurate, it won't go against the Silicon Valley Grandees.

It'll go against your upper middle class, the guys that are making them between $150 and $350 or $4.50 and have some T-bills.

He's already done it.

When the Chrysler creditors came in, Obama said,

we'll just reverse the order of payback so that the union grandees get the money first, even though they're behind the line of the creditors who loaned them the money.

And that's what they did.

And they can do it.

They gave the Pigford black farmers, was it $4 billion?

And there was no audit of that.

A person made a claim that I've been discriminated in a loan.

And all of a sudden, okay, we'll pick $4 billion.

So don't ever underestimate historically how people, I mean, it's not the end of history when these countries go broke.

It's just the end of prosperity and Aptula.

It's happened to Rome.

It happened to Byzantium.

It happened to Renaissance Italy.

It happened to Imperial Spain in the 18th century.

The Ottomans were completely broke by 1800.

Yeah.

And that's going to happen to us unless we get somebody

You know who says I'm going to be president They're going to hate my guts because I'm going to try to balance the budget and bring back Simpson Bowles.

And in 15 years, pay down the debt.

And there's no money for illegal alien health care.

I'm sorry.

And we're going to close the border.

And we're going to deport 10 million people.

We can't afford it.

And we can't keep playing all of these COVID stuff.

And we're not going to forgive any more

$600 million in student debt.

In fact, we're not going to guarantee student loans.

The university should do it.

So Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, you've got people that you want to help go to college.

Just put your multi-billion dollar endowment against the loan.

And I guarantee you, they'll graduate in four years.

It won't be three units and find myself why they don't pay off their debt.

You'll go after them the way the government doesn't.

Believe me, liberals that people owe left-wing people money, they're sharks.

They'll go after them.

And so, there's all sorts of ways of, they think, dealing with it.

They don't care.

And by the way, it's a good way to wage class warfare to punish the wealthy wealthy and the well-off by the debt.

Inflation's good that way.

People who don't have money get it, and people who have money lose the value.

And open borders are against the wealthy and affluent.

That's another way to do it.

Big government, higher taxes.

It's funny.

Look at she nominated, you know, Waltz.

What's going to be the motto?

We drove more people out of Minnesota per capita than you did, Gavin.

We have the highest taxes except for three or four states in Minnesota, and we have terrible services.

California, top that.

We have high electricity, and we canceled a key pipeline.

Top that, California.

We have tampons and male restrooms.

Top that, Gavin.

That's kind of where we are now.

Yeah.

This crazy waltz.

Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take our last break and then come back and talk a little bit about California now that you brought it up.

Stay with us and we'll be back.

We're back.

This is the Victor Davis-Hanson show.

And so, Victor, what I'm going to do is give you several things in the recent California newspapers, and you can talk about anyone you want, or generally about California.

The point is here that this is what Kamala has to bring to the country.

So, here you are.

California is burning up and drying up.

Four out of the five worst fires in California history have occurred in California in the last five years.

The worst burning over a million acres, and the current one is up to 500,000 acres this year.

Water, the State Water Resource Control Board approved policy to force municipal water suppliers to reduce water consumption by 40% in the next 15 years.

Three, federal investigation found that funds that the Fed gave California for the homeless were at risk from, quote, disorganized and quote, chaotic anti-fraud policies.

And five, the LA Times had to admit that the plastic bag ban put on Californians 10 years ago has led to the use and growing waste of plastic bags that are made of a much heavier material and so less biodegradable.

I could have predicted that because every time I go to my underserved community

food market, I see the heavy-duty bags that they pay 25 cents for and they use again and a third and a fourth time.

And then it falls apart and it's all over the parking lot blowing around.

So that was a a stupid idea.

And

California likes to say, climate change, climate change.

No, the reason that we're having this epidemic, I grew up in this state and I remember what it was like.

And it used to be that you had about 30 timber companies and they had dirt roads all through the Sierra and they went in and trimmed the forest and cleaned it up.

And then you let people go up and, you know,

get firewood.

And the reason, they gleaned the forest, they were, so there was not all of this brush.

And then these biologists and these utopian forests, new forests, it was like critical forestry theory.

No, no, no, no.

Nature takes care of it.

The problem is there's people there.

Because in the old days with our wonderful Native American,

legends,

you would have nobody harvesting trees.

There was plenty of brush, and you had fires.

And it was good because they periodically burned and then they created mulch.

Roaches and bugs and then birds and then other flora and fauna.

And it was a natural process.

But the problem is, you, under our new critical forestry theory, are calling a forest fire bad.

Now, why are you doing that?

What is bad about it?

It's a natural phenomenon.

It's bad because all of these greedy people want second and third homes and they moved up to the Sierras.

And so they're putting homes in unnatural landscapes.

Now, of course,

our beautiful homes on the cliffs of Carmel and Santa Cruz and La Jolla is perfectly natural, even though they're being eroded by the waves and they're pouring billions of dollars of rocks to save California's coast so that wealthy people can keep living where they shouldn't.

But you poorer people who fled to the Sierras, you right-wingers, or you people have second home, if you weren't there, would you call it a forest fire?

No.

You would call it a natural replenishing of the forest.

And that's a direct result of a new type of forestry that says, do not clean the forest and do not allow people to harvest lumber.

Does that mean that California doesn't want lumber?

No.

California needs lumber more than it ever has.

It just meant that there's 60 million trees they could have harvested and they didn't, because they don't have any timber companies.

There are only three or four left, because they drove them all out with regulations, and they import enormous amounts of wood from

Oregon, Washington, Canada, Alaska, just as they import $25 billion

of

natural gas.

Remember the California formula?

It is, we are postmodern.

We have evolved beyond the need to get our hands dirty and do stupid things like grow food, mine precious metals,

harvest trees,

etc.

Drill for ugly, dirty oil and gas.

So what we do is we create, what did Kamala say?

Your file, it just floats up and it's in the clouds.

It's in the clouds.

So we're in the clouds and we make $9 trillion in very clean Silicon Valley.

We don't need Chevron to have its headquarters in San Francisco.

Good riddance, it left.

So what we're doing, if you people, and Salma and Fresno can

understand us, because you're so backward, deplorable, and what did Waltz call people?

He said, if you look at that map, I'm just deviating a second, there's a map of Minnesota in the 2022 gubernatorial election that he won.

It's all red, except Minneapolis and St.

Paul and one other city.

Everything else is red.

And people had said to him during the campaign, you're losing.

You were a rural congressman and now you've gone completely nutty and the Republican's going to have your old seat and the whole state geographically is against you.

And he said, that's just cackle, cackle.

That's just a bunch of rocks and cows.

What's out there but rocks and cows?

That's what he said.

It's just rocks and cows.

And so that's what people think about the San Joaquin Valley and Conservative.

They're just a bunch of rocks and cows out there.

They still think you need, don't they understand that we import dirty oil from Saudi Arabia, we import dirty forestry from Canada, we import dirty minerals from Utah, we import dirty nighttime energy from coal-burning Utah, we do all of that because we can create the money to pay for it.

That's how they think.

They don't want to be self-sufficient.

They do not want to be self-sufficient in electricity or energy or timber or building materials because to do that would empower the middle class, which they despise.

It's like somebody goes up in the attic and they get a good view and they remodel it and then they put the trapdoor and the poor guy in the basement says, I want to get up there.

And they said, no, no, no, no, we're not going to get out.

You're not going to be upwardly mobile.

And the third story about the feds investigating California state bureaucracy and saying that it's too disorganized and chaotic to take care of funds.

I think that that is a much broader story than just the funds for the state.

I'll just give you one example.

20-something so-called hot Camilla Harris,

after flunking the bar and barely making out of Hastings Law School, hooks up with Willie Brown, career politician who's pretty sleazy as far as his financial dealings.

And the next thing we know, she's on two of the most lucrative, impressive California boards of experts.

That's who goes goes on those boards.

And

it's a mess, the whole thing.

Every time I go into the DMV,

I did this last time.

I take a little blood pressure monitor and I monitor, and it was 110 over 65.

And then when I came out, I took it and it was 165 over 110.

And you know why?

Because

you go, go to window number five, it's closed.

And you have to, this line goes in, you have to get in a line, and you have an appointment, but you know, that guy needs it.

And it's just chaos.

It's chaos.

Nobody knows.

And you keep thinking there's some guy from 1960 in the back room they're going to bring out and he's going to say, now this is what you have to do.

But they're dead.

So they don't know anything.

And the whole, it's like driving on a California freeway and you see the Caltrans at work.

And it's like those old posters, those anti-New Deal post cartoons of the 1930s you see where they say WPA and it says

time to go to work and they're all resting on their shovels at work.

That's what it is in California.

They don't fix anything.

High-speed rail is, again, it's like Stonehenge.

It just doesn't move.

It's just there.

And the whole state is that way.

Everybody wants to be a California state employee because they pay higher in the federal government.

They have a better retirement.

You can't be fired.

And it is sort of a DEI workforce, too.

It's kind of weaponized.

That's what Schwarzenegger never understood.

When he was running after he got re-elected, he thought he was so famous and powerful, and he was Terminator, and he was going to go in and break this stuff up, cut down the size of government, go after the public employee units.

I thought, what an idiot.

And

one day after he announced that they were girdling men or whatever he called them, the next day they had a commercial where he's getting in his Gulfstream.

He gets in a Gulfstream and flies down to LA and what do we have?

So he was a complete dud after that.

You can't,

it has to get to the point where

what can't go on won't go on.

It's getting close and then it will implode and then they'll have to do something.

But they will never voluntarily reform California's bloated government.

Yeah, and what struck me as interesting about the other story, the second story, is that the State Water Resource Control Board was approving policy.

Doesn't that have to go through this California legislature to have that kind of thing?

Well, they've been authorized.

It's like the EPA.

The EPA becomes judge, jury, and executioner.

I keep harking on it.

They have an Inland Waterways Act.

The point was that...

The federal government said the EPA had the right to monitor rivers and canals for transportation to make sure that they were not increasing pollution, the water.

So, what did they do?

They said, well, we don't like big ag, we don't like agriculture.

Some of these farmers have little ponds after rain, so that's an inland waterway.

So, we're going to go in and test this for nitrogen.

And they tried to shut that down.

So, the original mandate then evolves into these power-hungry bureaucrats that aren't answerable, and they are judge, jury, and executioner.

I dealt with it when I was 20.

I came back with a PhD at 25, and I was farming, and I could not believe the Raisin Administrative Commission.

I couldn't believe the Raisin Administrative Orders.

I just didn't believe it.

You'd go to these meetings, and they would tell you,

you'd say, the raisins are worthless.

They're only $400.

They've collapsed.

Yes, but...

You cannot keep your raisins on your property.

I said, are you serious?

Yes, you don't own those raisins.

We have made an administrative decision that the raisin belongs to the government.

So you have to truck them in to a packer, and then we will adjudicate what raisins can be sold on the domestic market.

And this year it's about 25%.

And I said, well, what are you doing with the other 75%?

Well, we have programs.

We give them away overseas, we give them for cattle fee.

I said, well, how much do we get for those tons?

Oh, about $150.

I said, that doesn't even pay for for the harvest.

Why can't we just take our raisins and not deliver them and make our little cleaners and stimmers and do it ourselves and then sell them directly to bakeries or farmers market?

No, you can't do that.

It's illegal.

It's illegal to do that, and it's illegal to keep it.

We had a guy who sued them for 20 years.

I think his name was Horn.

He was a very brave, brilliant guy, and he won finally.

But they still, that's what the government does.

And

some guy who's making $150,000 and has a whole team of lawyers at his back, he's going to go after a guy that has no resources.

And I learned that really quickly because

when Sunmate went completely broke, they lost $27 million.

They called it overpayments.

In other words, they were a co-op

and they were so inefficient that all these private packers were paying the same amount, but cash up front.

Sunmate said, hmm, we're only paying our members half of what they deliver, and then we're taking out 7% or 8% capital retain for plant development.

So if you look at the interest and the payments, an upfront,

we used to call them upfront crooks, but they weren't crooks.

That was just a derogatory slur.

Upfront capitalists, packers, were paying the farmer in cash more than the co-op who was designed to get more money.

And then they went broke.

And so we went to the meeting and said, you're broke?

You can't even pay us that?

And they said, no, we can't.

Why?

Well, we overpaid you.

I said, you paid us less than the cracker did.

And he said, yes, but we were so inefficient that we had to borrow the money from banks to cover our massive operating losses and failed acquisitions and all of our stupid CEO machinations.

So we had to borrow money against you guys to make it look like we were almost as good as the private packer.

Because if we didn't do that, you would have all left and gone and got cash 100% up front.

And because we were only giving you 50 and not paying you for three years, you would have left.

So we had to borrow a bunch of money and make it up and lie and tell you that we overpaid you.

You were overpaid.

And you said, no, we were underpaid.

We got less than the money.

No, no, no, we were overpaid.

So then we said, well, what happens now?

Well, we're about 35 million short.

So

where does it?

Well, we're going to take it from you.

What are you going to do?

Well, you give every year a revolving fund, 7% of your crop.

It's there for, it's gone.

I said, well, wait, every seven years

we put money in and then we get money back.

So we put in, I don't know, $20,000 versus our crop, and then it goes in every year we get $20,000, and when it gets to seven years, you pay us back $20,000.

You always have seven years of our money, but we get money back.

No, we don't, Mr.

Hanson.

It's gone.

Well, where is it?

Well, we borrowed against it to pay you because

you were overpaid.

I said, but we got less than the market value, but you shouldn't have even got that.

We were noble servants.

So it was like gobbledygook.

And then you go to the RAC and they're worse.

That was the federal government version of the co-op.

So at that point, I gave up all my centrist views and became a right-wing nut.

Yeah.

I really did.

I'm used to hear guys that come up to me, farmers, you know, hey, well, Victor, you're a ponyhead intellectual, and the damn government's going to rip us off.

And Sunmaid's a bunch of communist crooks.

And I'd say, no, don't say that.

My grandfather was a founding member of the co-op.

It's an idealistic shared group.

And after like five years, man, I was worse than the guys I used to make fun of.

Yeah.

So

that's how conservatives are born.

Well, there's another conservative born, and she was from San Francisco, and she is currently, Kimberly Gourfoyle is currently the fiancée of Don Jr., but she used to be married to Gavin Newsom, and she is a lawyer, and she used to be a lawyer in San Francisco at the same time as Kamala Harris.

And right now, she is,

what do you call it, tweeting on her on X

about terrible things about Kamala Harris.

And if you read into it, they had a fight going back 20, 30 years.

And what I was noticing about this story is that San Francisco elite is very, very integrated into the current government.

But that's one thing.

And the second thing was

the strange story of Kimberly Garfoyle, who is now conservative, but she used to be right there with the leftists of California.

I was wondering if you had any reflections on that.

Well, I think that her father was a pretty successful.

Was he a Bay Area developer?

He was.

I like her.

I've been on her podcast, and they're very professionally run.

And

the pring is, she knows Gavin Newsome and the Getty money that created Gavin Newsome because she was part of the family.

So

she knows all about Willie Brown and Kamala Harris and Diane Feinstein and Barbara Baxter and Nancy Pelosi and the money that created those people.

She knows all about Paul Pelosi and his real estate shenanigans and how Pelosi, on a salary of about $150,000,

their families were $200 or $300 million with inside knowledge about federal real estate.

And she knows how Gavin Newsom was kind of an in-ept businessman and the Gettys kind of prompted him.

His dad was an appellate court.

My mother, I think, served in the same appellate court, not the same district, but knew him.

And

she knows that Barbara Boxer is down in the desert now, railing about inequality from her desert mansion.

And she knows that Diane Feinstein had the big Tahoe home, the big, beautiful San Francisco home.

We saw where the Pelosi's home is and their castle in Napa.

So the whole thing is kind of a fraud.

Remember, they were always lecturing us on diversity, diversity, diversity.

And for a brief period, You had

one of the most powerful people in the Senate was Diane Feinstein, head of the Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees in succession.

And she was a white 55-year-bay area millionaire.

And then you had, I don't know, 30 or 40 miles away, Barbara Boxer, who was a middle-aged, white, multi-millionaire, left-wing.

And not quite as wealthy as Dianne Feinstein, but a little shader, her family with certain things they did.

And then you had Nancy Pelosi, who was a white, middle-aged, multi-millionaire, right?

And Pelosi was the Speaker of the House, Feinstein with the Senator.

And then you had Jerry Brown.

And his dad, he inherited a lot of money.

His dad was into natural gas, liquidified natural gas, Pat Brown in those days.

It was kind of, you know, there was not a lot of modern ethical obsessions.

Let's put it this way.

I'm not saying he did anything dishonest, but people use the perks of offices.

in retirement to make a lot of money.

Pat Brown was a good guy.

I mean, he got the California Water Project saved from the Sierra Club.

But my point is, he was really wealthy.

And then you start to, you just take a deep breath and you say, Gavin Newsome, he was a product of the Gettys.

And you look at Jerry Brown, Gavin Newsome, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boster, Diane Feinstein.

What do they have in common?

They're all very wealthy.

They're all very white.

They're all very middle-aged.

They're all very political.

They're all very powerful.

And they're all left-wing lecturing the guy in Delano or the guy in Aubury, California who's changing tires on a forklift that he's illiberal and that they are going to be in white privilege

and that he has white privilege.

That's what they did.

And they were

the least diverse people in the world.

They thought alike, they looked alike, they belonged to the same privilege.

class, they had the same moneyed interest.

Their kids went to private school.

Everything about them was privilege.

And yet we had to suffer these lectures for years from this Bay Area cabal.

And they were generating,

they had a strong ties to Stanford University and they had strong ties to Silicon Valley money.

I wrote an article in the New Criterion for Roger Kimball.

It was about the triangle.

Bay Area, left-wing politics, Silicon Valley, $9 trillion in market capitalization.

Stanford University gives a veneer of respectability and a credential.

And that's what ran.

they took power from Los Angeles, the old Chandler LA Times.

It used to be Sam Yorty and the conservative Democrats.

No,

LA became

irrelevant compared to the Bay Area.

Bay Area was where the money and the political power.

There wasn't an L.A.

politician that was very powerful.

You know,

it was all Willie Brown and the state politics and Jerry Brown and that's where everybody came from.

And L.A.

became irrelevant.

irrelevant.

Yeah.

And if you're reading about it, you sometimes get nervous thinking that they might also share a little bit too much DNA every once in a while or at least they have political marriage.

Yes, they take care of each other too.

You know,

I don't know.

I work at Stanford and

I go once in a while to these venues where one of these people come in.

these barrier politicians, they visit,

or a Silicon Valley grandee comes to tell you how brilliant he is and his view of America.

It's usually climate change or mandatory EVs or, you know, DEI or something.

And it never applies to them.

That's the key thing.

Every time I listen to him, I think to him, yes, that sounds really well.

Now, how do you avoid the consequences of your advocacy?

And it's all, and then I drive home, and on the way home, I think, wow, I'm looking at that poor farmer he's out there irrigating at 5.30 in the morning, they're going to take his water away.

Or I see some,

you know,

50 cars of poor Mexican-American guys going to work on one lane because of perennial construction and tied up because of, I said,

hmm, they did that to you.

And they don't care.

Or

I went into a big supermarket and a big, I won't name the names, and a big kind of

retail outlet, and it was 112,

and everybody was in there.

Why?

Free air conditioning.

Free air conditioning.

26% of Californians who

have Southern California, Edison, and PGE have not paid their power.

And you can't cut their power off.

They don't have the money.

It's the most expensive power in the continental United States.

And we have some, we're number four in natural gas and

oil, and we've shut down all but one nuclear plant.

It's really weird what this little cadre is doing.

They think they're going to

be able to keep going like this as they strangle, as thousands of people leave and thousands of people, poor people come across the border.

Nobody's coming to California willingly

unless they're from a very much poorer place.

So if you're from Oaxaca and you come here, it's heaven.

But if you live here, it's hell compared to where you could go in Florida or Tennessee or Montana, Wyoming, Utah.

So it's in a doom loop, and I don't see how it's going to get out of it.

No, and that's what Kamala has to offer to the United States.

Yeah, her slogan, Walt, should be, their slogan should be two things.

And I'll finish with this rant.

Their first slogan should be

Kamala and Tim,

we have to lie to you for the next 90 days that we're something that we're not.

in order that we can rule you for the next four years in a way that you won't like.

That's number one.

And that's true.

And then number two is, we have utter contempt for you, and we're going to create a system of laws and governance that we know will be in your long-term interest.

But we're never going to be subject to the consequences of that ideology because it might hurt.

So you are lap rats and you deserve to be experimented on.

That's their attitude.

It really is.

And that should be the Harris waltz.

Because Because that reflects their energy.

He canceled a pipeline.

So does We Do It in California.

He's putting tampons in male restrooms.

He's saying that he wants people

free money for illegal aliens, free health care for illegal aliens.

Never says, free health care for illegal aliens.

I need $500 million.

Where do I get it?

Never says that.

No.

Well, with that, Victor, that's the end of our show today.

We'd like to thank all of our listeners.

Thank you, everybody.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hansen, and we're signing off.