Gaza Negotiations and Terrorizing the American Electorate

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So, Victor, a lot's going on with this war in Gaza.

And maybe I can put a few things together and you can tell us about them.

The first thing is that Anthony Blinken just recently announced that there's going to be 4 million in aid going to Gaza from the United States and that he was encouraging the Europeans to step up.

And everybody knows that Gaza, the Gaza government is run by Hamas.

So I'm not sure the logic of sending Hamas, who he equally complained, would not agree to the ceasefire deal.

And he said that it wasn't so much that they didn't agree to things, but that they disagreed on things they had agreed to earlier.

So he didn't think they were

dealing with good faith.

And I was wondering, let's start there.

It's crazy.

I'm prejudicial because Anthony Lincoln, as you know,

in 2020,

he was the Biden campaign operative.

I want to be very careful how I phrase this.

I don't want to be unfair to him.

But he called his former friend, acting deputy or deputy acting

director of the FBI at one point, Mike Morrell.

He said, said, can you basically

get some of the intelligence crowd to say that this laptop

has all the hallmarks of Russian dissent?

And at that time he did that, the FBI had the laptop in its possession and had determined it was authentic.

So Anthony Blinken,

who this administration parenthetically lectures everybody about democracy dying in darkness and

election interference and election denialism.

Anthony Blinken deliberately on the eve of a debate to affect and warp a change in election ask a former intelligence high operative to round up, and we know who when I say round up, who comes out of the woodwork?

The convicted liar James Clapper, head of director of national intelligence, the convicted, I mean I shouldn't say convicted, admitted liar,

the admitted liar John Brennan, Leon Panetta, and they they all come out and they tell the country that this is likely Russian disinformation.

And

Joe Biden then is equipped, fortified, fueled with this, and in the debate, he tells Donald Trump that you're lying, Donald Trump, and I am known for telling the truth, you're known for lying, and he quotes these people, and Presto polls later say that affected enough people to change the election.

So here's who we're dealing with.

And

he's being mocked because he says he's pushing a peace deal that Hamas has already rejected.

And Hamas, what Hamas does is they float an idea to him.

And the moment that he grasps it like a greedy child, they say that, oh, wow, he was eager to get that.

That means we could have got more.

So let him go push that.

Then we'll say we don't want it, bag, bag, bag.

The Wall Street Journal,

whose editorial

division has been very fair to Israel, but its reportage has not.

It's slandered.

Even they said that Mr.

Sinwar, the Hamas architect, said, was quoted, that they have Israel right where they want them by stonewalling.

And he said civilian casualties work in Hamas's favor.

And what he means by that is

that when you have hostages, and these are

not being held apparently by militants, terrorists.

They're by journalists.

This person who had some of the hostages was a journalist, and they're civilians, quote unquote, and they're right deliberately in the middle of civilian centers.

So, what Israel has to do is they have to get intelligence somehow and then find the particular Gazan innocent civilian who is a participant in hostage taking.

And from what we can tell from the hostages'

treatment, they're very cruel to them.

And then they have to go in and get them, and then the shields and the civilian casualties mount and then that's what Mr.

Sinoir says.

We're going to keep doing this, doing this, doing this.

They're even holding bodies they won't return to the family.

And for some reason Mr.

Blinken can't make the moral distinction between a democratic ally who's trying to save its nation after being attacked by people who promised to do it again and again and again in the most horrific medieval killing of Jews since the Holocaust.

He can't make that elemental distinction between Hamas, a bunch of murderous thugs, and a democratic government trying its best to play by the rules and get back people that were taken hostage.

And you know what?

By May,

this is mere imaged in the United States.

When you see the way Israel conducts itself versus these Hamas killers, and then look at these protesters.

Do Jewish protesters ever get arrested?

Do they ever

deface national iconic statues?

Like, I don't know.

Washington.

One second.

Didn't they try to arrest some Jewish protesters at UCLA?

Didn't they?

Yes, they did.

But that group tried to say, no more, we're not going to take any more violence, and then tried to confront them, and it was asymmetrical.

So basically, what the LA powers that be said, we're going to arrest a bunch of people who are trying to protect themselves in a physical fashion the way that these people are not arrested to do it.

But when you go, you know, deface Lafayette's statue and you disface a cemetery in Los Angeles and you go after the homes of board members of the Brooklyn Museum and you go to their home and you throw blood on their porch, an entryway, and you take over a car.

on the a subway car, a whole car, with masked men,

and they say, any Zionists here, get out while you can't.

I mean, this is,

you know what's down the road, and nobody says anything.

What is the difference between these people, or their Kefiyaz or whatever you want to call them, and the Klan?

They both wear masks.

They both are, quote, upstanding members of the community that are untouchable by the law for their acts.

We don't know who's behind the mask that's doing this.

And their whole purpose is to intimidate people and to use violence and threat.

They're no different.

Can you imagine right now if we were

watching television and a story said that a group of African-American students were confronted by people in masks who said, go back to Africa,

analogous to go back to Poland.

Jews in the United States don't know anything about Poland any more than African Americans know anything about Africa.

What if they did that?

Then what if they hijacked a car on the New York subway and said, all people who are black and believe in Black Lives Matter, you better get off.

And they have masks on.

What would Joe Biden say?

What would Joy Reid say?

What would Rachel Maddox say?

So there's something here, and the something here is that this combination of DEI, Middle Eastern students, Middle Eastern money, and useful idiot students have combined into

a monstrosity.

And you better stop it because it's gaining traction every day.

It's almost permissible now to brag that you chased a Jew down or you tried to insult them publicly or you defaced their property.

And it would be so easy to...

Can I ask you a question?

Do you think if Donald Trump would be elected, do you think this will go on?

No.

No.

Not at all.

I don't think it'll go on.

I think he'll say, I need an attorney general who is going to charge these people with hate crimes and racketeering, crossing state lines, and we're going to put you in jail for 30 years.

And if I can't find a DA that's going to, I'll get another one, another one, and another one until we get one, and it will stop.

Yeah.

Well, what do you make of this Blinken

dealing with people he doesn't think are on the up and up, but at the same time giving $400 billion

to Gaza itself, as though Hamas doesn't really have it.

You mean is it $400 million, isn't it?

Yeah, sorry, $400 million.

I mean, they're capable of giving $400 million by printing it.

We don't have it, but that doesn't stop them.

Who is Mr.

Sinmar?

He's been in jail for 20 years.

He's a murderer.

The only ironic thing about him, he'd be dead.

He had a brain tumor in Israeli prison.

And guess what?

He goes, oh, I got a brain tumor.

Can you Jewish doctors save me?

Nobody in Gaza can or the West Bank, and I'm in jail.

And they said, no, you're a killer.

And so what do they do?

They take out the brain tumor and save his life.

And then what does he do?

They go and kill an Israeli soldier or they take an Israeli soldier capture and they get him in a trade like a thousand to one.

And then he hates Jews even the more.

Can you imagine if there was a brain surgeon in Gaza and you had one of the hostages had a brain tumor?

What would they do?

He would cease to exist.

Or they do some Mengali experiment on them.

Yeah.

But this is so frustrating.

Maybe it's because I've got COVID.

It's just so frustrating to see this moral ineptitude these complete inability to make a simple moral distinction between killers and those who are trying to protect people from killers.

And it's got to stop.

It really does.

Yeah.

And we sure are happy that the Israelis got, I think, four hostages back from their imprisonment in the Gaza citizens' homes.

That's another thing and a whole nother issue, right?

Is that citizens are waiting for them?

Mr.

Blinken's defense?

I want to be fair.

When he presented the Hamas proposals and apparently agreed to them, and then they said, wait a minute,

you did

Hamas proposals 1.0.

Now that you agreed to them, we want 1.5 or 2.0.

And he said, guess what he said?

He got very angry.

He said, this is, quote, unacceptable.

So take that, Hamas.

It's unacceptable.

And I don't think they're going to be phased in the least.

They said they're winning.

Yeah.

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This is the Victor Davis Hansen Show, and we are talking about

Israel and Gaza.

And I

had one more thing.

I guess you mentioned it, but the subway attack,

Antifa, and they were asking the Zionists to declare themselves and that they should get out.

And

there was also the Hezbollah protesters that were saying, quote, kill another Zionist now.

And so, some very, I think what I was wanting to talk about on that is they seem to be upping the ante on the extreme things that they say, the very violent things they're saying.

They have to, because,

let's face it, the latest polls show about 68% of the American people are not in favor of Hamas nor the Hamas cause, and they support Israel.

And the more that

I have a column out today,

excuse me, yes today.

And the more that they deface monuments, and the more that they threaten to kill Jews and kill Israelis, and they

harass Jews, and the more that they leave trash

for maintenance people to clean up after them, and the more that they attack police or they hit police, and the more they scream like little kids when they're arrested, the more the people don't like them.

I just hope that the Donald Trump campaign has a lot of campaign

photo, you know, B-roll, or whatever you want to go, just to show that if they want to win this election, all they have to do is just show those people,

show the homes that have been defaced by these people, show the Lafayette Monument, show them screaming death to Israel,

show them saying Hitler was right, say, just get all of that, and then have Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken quotes.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, that would be a great ad.

Yeah.

And do the same thing with the border, too.

The border is secure.

A picture of Majorca's and then show that chaos.

This election

it speaks for.

Ipsa res loquator, the thing speaks for itself, itself, the election.

All you have to do is just show the actual four years.

You don't have to say a word.

Trump said he got mad at the Milwaukee.

He said Milwaukee, he said something's a terrible city.

You shouldn't say that.

I mean, I go to Milwaukee four times a year for the Bradley Foundation, three times a year.

It's doing its best, but when you have George Floyd prosecutors and you're in a purple state,

it's a beautiful city.

It was once the beer capital of the world.

And it's tragic, but it's struggling.

There's some very good people in Milwaukee.

They're trying to save it.

And he should just say that instead of saying it's a terrible city, why are we having it there, basically?

He said, cities like Milwaukee are the ones we're going to save.

We're going to get good prosecutors.

We're going to get good money to police, beep up the police, and we're going to stop the madness.

You know, I say madness.

Did you see these news accounts both online and on television of all these these people you mentioned in Oakland?

They're taking their cars.

Street takeovers.

That was my next topic.

Yeah, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, well, I mean,

they're going to kill somebody.

They just go spin out and spin out.

They light cars on fire that are stolen.

They intimidate people, and the police don't do anything.

And again, you know that if they had a huge SWAT team and their police force was twice what it...

twice the way it used to be in size, and they swept down and they confiscated everybody there and say, You're here in illegal, we're going to take your car and just impound their car and then arrest them for felonies and then lock them up.

You could stop it because we didn't have it before, George Floyd.

And it's California.

I mean, gosh,

I can't even explain it.

It was in San Francisco, it was in Oakland, there was another mass smash and grab in Los Angeles.

We have all these actors now who are really worried that they keep being

broken into repeatedly in their homes.

It's happening to them.

Then the deflection of illegal immigration due to Texas's

security measures have meant more people are coming into California, but we're in a time of a debt, and Gavin Newsom is welcoming them in.

As someone who went to a number of medical doctors for my annual physical, you know what I'm saying?

They should go to the emergency room in the central, I mean, to any doctor's office in the Central Valley and see the impact of letting in 10 million people nationwide who have never been to a doctor in most cases.

And there's no time for you.

And you go into that.

I was in a waiting room.

There was no one speaking English.

I was the only person.

And I didn't speak.

So there was no one speaking English.

It was all Spanish and another language, which I wasn't aware of, some dialect.

But my point is, he doesn't care.

These people do not care.

And he's trying to cut off all the water.

We've talked about that with Jack on this wet year.

And then you have the crime, and the highways are a mess, and we have this high-speed rail that Texas is going to build a high-speed.

Are they insane?

Don't they look at what's happened?

They'll be mired for years in imminent domain lawsuits.

When they have Amtrak, I think Edward Green wrote an article about it.

You have Amtrak stations already in the middle of these cities.

All you have to do is beef up the rails.

You could get up to 150 miles an hour.

Who needs to go 300 miles an hour and be out in the suburb and have to drive into town?

It's just crazy what the state is doing.

It gets you so frustrated.

And they're going to increase gas by 50 cents.

Their electricity is amazed too.

Electricity, my

home insurance and taxes almost doubled.

I don't know how the county can say, well,

they increase 7%, so then they go up by 2,000 or 3,000 bucks.

I just don't understand

what they're doing.

Is it there's a bunch of ignoramuses?

I know there is in the legislature, but it's almost like you just say, let's just take this state and let's just screw it up and destroy it.

And then we don't like the people who created it.

They were racist or sexists or homophobes or old white Christian males.

We hate them and their legacy.

We want to destroy the universities with the open admissions.

We want to let in a lot of Middle Eastern students so we have more riots.

Get rid of all the Jews in LA and San Francisco.

That seems the agenda.

And just destroy it and make sure they all leave and then we can have our utopia.

And that seems what it is.

He's deliberately doing, if you said to Gavin Newsom,

how would you destroy the state, Gavin?

He'd say, well, I'd cut off as much water as I could to this booming ag sector and let it out in the ocean.

And then I would just get rid of all the nuclear plants I could.

And then I would try to really make sure we didn't have any coal or natural gas plants if possible.

And I would make sure we don't tap the fourth largest petroleum reserves in the United States.

We're not going to have any new petroleum.

We want to get gas as high as possible.

It's a hot, hot, hot fuel and it warms up the state.

And we've got to make sure that all our universities get rid of the SAT.

We don't want standards.

And we have to make sure that our medical schools and law schools function by DEI admissions and hiring.

And

I want to make sure that we have one-third of all of the people and public assistance in the United States welcome here.

We want to welcome in as well enough people so that 22% is below the poverty line.

We want to make sure that we keep down there at 49 ranking in our highways.

And we want to drive out 250,000 people a year.

We just don't like them.

They think they're too good for everybody.

We're going to drive them, then go to Texas or Florida with all their ill-gotten money.

If you said that, you couldn't approximate what he's doing.

So if he's doing what I just said, maybe the rationale is what I just said.

It's punitive, it's angry.

He'd rather destroy the state than he would allow a different paradigm to save it.

And I don't know what we're going to do about it, but

I think he thinks what he is doing is going to get him to be the President of the United States.

However, I don't think he has the same interpretation as you.

And I think he would also tell you, I'm dealing with this legislature.

I'm sure he would throw it on them.

They are, that's a legitimate point.

They're crazier even than he is.

But that's no excuse for what he's doing.

I mean, if you say to yourself,

well,

the cost of living is very high in California because we cut off water to farms.

We don't drill oil.

We regulate, regulate.

we have high taxes, we drive out creative entrepreneurs, and

therefore people can't make it on $15 an hour.

So we're going to have a minimum wage of $20.

And then all of these, what, 40 branches of a particular fast food just closed?

And $20 an hour.

Can I tell you an anecdote about a fast food franchise?

I will not say the name.

So,

not long ago, drove into the window, and I rolled down the window, we ordered,

and they said, can you please take, give me your order?

Gave the order.

Can we please give you the order?

Can we please...

They obviously were not hearing.

And that was it.

Cars were impatient behind, so I didn't know what was going on.

So I walk politely around to tap on the window.

I guess they think that I'm one of the thugs of which I grant there are a lot of them where I live and they don't open the window.

It's about 110 outside.

I just wanted a cool drink and a little refreshment.

I didn't want a fast food and

finally they opened up and said what's the problem?

I said you don't take the order.

She said I asked you twice and I said did you hear an answer?

No.

So I said what did you do then?

She goes I just went to another order.

I said, there's cars behind.

How could you get to another order?

She goes, I went to the ones inside.

I said, what did you think

was going to happen to me?

And she goes, whatever, whatever.

Now you can order.

I said, now I can order.

So you're going to have everybody pull up and then play that game with you where you either don't hear them or you don't care that your microphone is not reciprocal.

And then they're going to get out of the car and come up.

And she goes, she got angry at me

for pointing out something she needed to know.

That was an explanation.

That employee is not worth $20 an hour.

No.

You don't want to give that person $160

a day.

You really don't.

I don't know how California is going to manage their affairs.

The Legislative Analyst Office, which works with Governor Newsom, said that somewhere between $38 and $58 billion in deficit in his budget this year.

And in fact, the Legislative Analyst Office said by their own estimates, estimates, they were just using his numbers, by their own estimates it would be $68 billion deficit.

I didn't think a state could keep rolling over debt.

That

$100 billion surplus with all that government COVID money.

All they had to do was just keep the budget adjusted to inflation.

But no, he couldn't do that.

He had to have all these new initiatives because you're right, he wanted to run for president.

They can't do it.

They can't borrow.

So what they do is they reclassify bonds and debt, and they juggle around the budget.

But

he already has a 13.3%

income tax rate, right?

He's got some of the highest vehicle registration.

He's got the highest gas taxes in the nation going up by 50 cents.

He's got among the highest sales taxes.

And because of the crazy assessed valuation, they always say, well, California is 1%

assessed devaluation.

A, the assessed evaluation is twice as high as other states.

And B, local people pile onto that one state percent, and it's often 2%.

So my point is that what is he going to do?

Is he going to say, the legislature's right, we've got to go up to 16%,

and that'll be good, because if Joe Biden gets elected, he wants to go to 40, 41.

And that means 57% besides your payroll taxes, right off the top.

I don't think he can do that.

I think he's lost so many people.

Remember when they said 13.3 was just going to be temporary for a year?

And then, of course, they were broke and they wanted more money.

The more money you give them, the less you get in good services.

And you get people that just

don't want to work or can't work.

The whole state is reaching a...

It's really sad when you look at those pictures of those people watching these cars like it's Road Warrior.

You know what I mean?

They're going in circles, spinning roadies, taking over the, trying to hurt people.

I mean, they get close to them and then they, people use laser lights in their eyes and they let the car on fire at the end, like it's some kind of medieval or pre-modern ritual, you know, in some tribe in Latin America or, I don't know, Asia or North America, some pre-civilizational.

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it was for almost incantations when they were letting that car on fire and then they were all screaming and yelling and then a guy jumped up in the fire and he started jumping up and down.

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What is the meaning?

It's not civilization.

They never think, oh, he's going to fall off.

So let's follow that.

He falls off the car that he's jumping on while it's on fire that he lit, right?

And he hits us, then what happened?

We know what happens.

Everybody flees, they let him die because they don't care.

And then one person sees him and calls, what, 911?

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And he comes, and they take him into the most sophisticated burn center in the world, and they spend $5 million on him.

And then there's no gratitude.

That's where we are now.

I know that sounds Rush Limbaugh.

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Rush Limbaugh, by the way, is a very sophisticated critic.

I wish we had him now, but

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You know what I mean?

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Tell me it's going to happen.

Remember when they say, can you save him?

I just can't see it.

I can't see it.

Yep, Barmore.

Sean Bean dies.

Sad thing.

I can't see it.

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So Victor, I've been noticing on the news that not just Rachel Maddow, but some of the other crazies on the left keep claiming that Trump is going to jail them as his political enemies.

They all hope that's true.

I know.

They're so

martyred.

He doesn't care about Rachel Maddow.

No.

Nobody does.

All she should do is not worry about Donald Trump arresting her.

She should get on TV, look at the nation, and I shouldn't say the nation, the tiny audience she has, and open her mouth and say, I apologize.

I misled you.

Night after night after night.

I said that there was a sophisticated plan

with Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump to collude, to hijack the 2000s.

I was lying to you.

Next night, I want to apologize.

I said to you in 2020 that 51 intelligence authorities had proven that this laptop was Russian descent.

That was a complete lie, and it had ramifications.

It changed the election.

I want to apologize.

Just start doing that, and we'll see what happens.

Yeah.

She'll never do that.

No, the radical left doesn't have that kind of thing.

The thing about it is the view women do that, Rachel Maudow does that.

Joe Scar, they all feel that they're going to be targeted by Donald Trump.

And he teases them.

No sooner does he say that revenge is success than when he's asked about it, he kind of makes,

he wants them to keep saying that.

I don't think he's going to do anything, but he says,

no, we're not going to go after revenge.

Can you imagine putting Hillary Clinton in jail for several felonies?

Can you imagine going after Joe Biden for $25 million and shaking down foreign countries and selling his family names illegally?

That would be wrong.

We would go into a cycle.

We can't, shouldn't, wouldn't do that.

And then they go crazy when they hear that.

And the reason they go crazy is,

A, as I said before, they're projecting.

So they think, ah,

what I've gotten away with and lying and doing all kinds of illegal stuff and trying to get Trump off the ballot and rah-rahing all of these lawfare efforts and collusion disarm.

Man, if I was that guy and I had suffered what I dished out and now I was in control to be the prosecutor, I know what I would do.

And that scares me because he's got to be like me.

That's number one.

And number two is they look at this and they say,

hmm,

it's a,

I think that

he's not going to do anything.

And

the more that I say that he's not going to do, that he is going to do anything, the more that the media gets all revved up.

And they're going to say, oh, wow, Rachel Maldow may go to an indoctrination.

AOC thinks she may go to a camp.

And that's going to be the headline.

And it is the headlines.

And then the more that we do this, the more that we do this, the more that we do this, then people say, like John Bolton, Donald Trump is going to seek revenge.

We can't have this happen.

Paul Ryan goes on TV.

He's just, even Sean Hannity said, you're not going to do it.

So then you create this false specter that people have genuine fears, that they're going to be in camp.

And then you put pressure on Trump.

So he says, no, I'm not going to do it.

And as soon as he says, no, I'm not going to do it, it's like, okay, we can keep doing it.

Game on again.

That's what they're doing.

They want to destroy any sense of deterrence.

He knows that.

He's dealt with every crooked interest in New York, and he knows that the moment you act as if you're going to be operating your business on the principles of the Sermon on the Mount, rather than 72 virgins in paradise,

then, you know, the incentives are different, aren't they?

And you can't do that in business, he thinks.

So he thinks,

if I let them know under no circumstances would we ever indict these people for all the crimes they've done, then they're going to keep doing it.

So I'm going to keep, and same thing about election denialism.

Can you say right now, Donald Trump, that you will accept, well, why should I say that?

Who knows?

All right.

So, my last topic here is: Steve Bannon is off to jail next month for contempt of Congress, but that's not the only thing that our Attorney General Merrick Garland has just been held in contempt of Congress because he won't hand over the tapes that the Congress has the transcripts for.

So, they're afraid that there's something on the tapes that is not on the transcripts.

Why wouldn't you just say, we're going to make you guys look really stupid.

This is a trap on our part.

You say,

give us the tapes, give us the tapes.

Oh, maybe, maybe not.

And then they're going to give the tapes.

And guess what?

We were absolutely honest.

The transcripts had every single thing on that tape.

And we just, they can't do that because it's not true.

You know what it is.

He has the tape and it's Joe Biden in his essence.

And it's completely, what, incoherent?

And somebody has translated his Bidenes into English and maybe took liberties that might favor Joe Biden.

So it's just, I don't understand it.

They have possession of the tapes.

They can't be doctored.

It's not like Trump has them.

Why don't they just say, look, fine, we'll show you guys up.

We're honest brokers.

We always transcribe what's supposed.

They won't do it.

Yeah.

And meanwhile, there's other people.

It's not just Steve Brown and who was that other guy?

Peter Navarro.

Navarro, yeah.

He was already in jail.

Yeah, and Merrick Garland, or Eric Colder.

It all started with Eric Colder when they held him in contempt.

And he just said, sorry,

we're not going to have anybody in my Justice Department prosecute me.

And

Merrick Garland basically said, nobody in my Justice Department is going to prosecute me for defying a

congressional subpoena, but I sure will go after Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon and anybody else who defies me.

And that's,

again,

they set the precedents, and then when, this is why Donald Trump doesn't say

success is revenge, and that's it, period, full stop.

He says, success is revenge, and we have to look at this.

And what he's trying to say is, you better stop it, because I plan to take the White House, the Senate, and the House.

And we are going to subpoena.

We're going to have a lot of congressional committees and we are going to call people that know things about the Biden and Barisma and the Biden and China and the Biden Russia.

And we're going to bring in people.

about the January 6th Commission and where the missing evidence is and the asymmetrical treatment of people in 2020 versus January 6th.

And we're going to issue subpoenas.

And you people, I know, are going to defy them.

And you know what's going to happen?

We're going to indict and try to convict you, just like you did us.

That's what he's trying to warn them.

But they don't think he'll ever do it.

No.

They'll just want to scream and yell and say he's going to do it.

They don't think he will.

Why do you say that, Victory?

They don't think he will.

Because they keep doing it themselves.

And they wouldn't do it if they wouldn't put Steve Bannon in jail if they thought that they were going to turn around and put Merrick Garland in jail in a year.

They wouldn't dare dare do that.

And what a terrible precedent that is.

I mean, I know it's already set, but to think of, well, okay, everybody who gets into as Attorney General is eventually going to be turned around and put in jail for being

a service to America.

They're going to have to come up with a creative way as well

of

de-weaponizing Washington, D.C., because the left just counts on all of these trials happening in D.C., if not New York.

And they're going to have to pass a law that gives federal prosecutors change of venues when they find that the jury is

not representative of their peers.

And then have it, I would like to see them if they're going to prosecute people for contempt of Congress, they'll be nullified in Washington.

The jury will be nullified.

They should just say, you know what?

The makeup of the jury does not represent a fair.

constituency.

We're going to have this in Salt Lake.

We're going to have this in Oklahoma City.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, I have a question from a listener, and her name is Adrienne.

And she says, I read the remark once, a long time ago, that no modern technologically advanced nation has a government takeover unless the military and police are in favor of the change.

In America right now, the military and police seem complacent, ready to follow the orders of whomever is in charge.

Your comments, please.

But she has a second question.

She said,

can the public, the public can't change the system until and if the people with the military technology and power decide that change is needed?

Do you see any signs of that in America besides the National Guard refusing to arrest Texas Border Patrol members?

Thank you.

The system is as good as you can get.

No system's perfect.

It's the people.

And what has happened is,

because of affluence and leisure, we've reached a period where there's a large segment,

partly enriched by globalization, partly on the coast, geographically centered, where the money is and the universities are, the entertainment and sports and foundations.

All of those venues are.

And they feel that they have such a margin of air.

They don't live in 1,100 square foot homes.

They don't have swamp coolers.

They don't have a 56 Chevy that they all borrow with each other when they have their one car garage.

So they feel that they have time and they have money and they have opportunity to create heaven on earth for the stupid people.

That's us.

And so they want to change

fossil fuels.

They want to change electricity price.

They want to change the way we produce food.

They have all these ideas.

None of them are self-employed.

None of them have to know what it's like to get up 4.30 in the morning, turn the pump on, and see if you can save a crop when it's 112.

They don't know any of that.

And so this utopianism is a product of our very success.

And the irony of it, everything that they would advocate would eventually destroy the system that they rich by.

So

she asked this question, what can we do

when they weaponize and how they take over?

They've taken over the institutions.

And the question now is, the only thing that's going to shock them,

there's only one thing that's going to shock them.

Traditionalists, conservatives, MAGA, Republicans, whatever term you call it, have to go out in such numbers and give such money that they cannot be denied in the next election.

They have to have some of the most brilliant ad men working on ads.

They've got to go back to those Reagan ads, you know.

They've got to get Lee Atwater.

ghost and they've got to conjure him up and say how did you do the boston harbor willie horton tank ad That was brilliant.

And that's what they need to do.

That got George H.W.

Bush elected.

They need some of the Reagan ones with a bear and all that stuff.

So they need to get, and they need to raise a lot of money.

And everybody's got to vote, and everybody's got to volunteer to look at the way that we conduct voting.

And then finally, they're going to have to be tough.

I mean, it's going to be an iffy election.

They have to have about a five to six percent popular vote margin in these states, I'm afraid, to win.

Because I don't think on, when you've got 70% of the ballots are not cast on election day, and you've got big cities that are adjudicating how they're collected and counted, I have no confidence in it.

And remember one thing, that we're really the only major democracy in the world that has these voting machines that

have no paper record and they have rolling dates.

You can vote and mail in balloting without authenticity.

You can't do that in most countries in Europe.

Most countries in Europe, you go to the polls, you have to show ID, you vote that day.

Day, period, gone.

That's it.

If you're sick, you get an absentee ballot, and the counting is done quicker.

It used to be, when we were growing up, we would all stay at my, we had a little house, my mom and dad would say, we're all going to stay up on election night.

We'd stay up till two in the morning, listen to Walter Cronkite, John Chancellor, and they would give us pretty much, you know,

the result.

And every once in a while, Chicago would be missing ballots, but

it was them.

But so that's the biggest thing the Republicans have to do if they get power, is to get a federal law, and it says in the Constitution that from time to time the federal government can issue federal mandates on voting, right?

They did it with suffrage.

I don't know if it will take a constitutional amendment or not, but they're going to have to

say that all voting should transpire in 24 hours unless there's a medical excuse and there shall be

some type of identification required.

And otherwise,

that's what's killing us right now.

Yeah.

Well, you seem to be talking about very civic ways of approaching change, but she was talking about the military and police.

And I think that maybe your distinction is that it would be hard to distinguish between a coup and actual just change if you had the military and police.

Yeah, the thing about the military is

because the way you,

if you want to make money and become famous and be an officer, then

at some magic point, lieutenant colonel or something,

you are a fast track

to a Kennedy School of Government or Hoover Institute for your year training and then you make it into Brigadier.

But then you need a White House congressional post.

You need to get into into Washington.

You can be the best artillery battalion commander in the world.

You can be the best

naval air wing commander, but that's not going to get you necessarily with the political contact senators, house people, lobbyists, executive national security that can fast-track your career.

And you need to meet as many reporters as you can in Washington.

And you need to be wink nod left-wing.

And once you follow that paradigm, you're going to be very successful, and then you're going to retire into a very lucrative $3 million, $4, $5 million a year defense contract or board or lobby.

Okay.

And then you're going to be very receptive in this trajectory to left-wing tampering with the military, DEI.

How did DEI get in?

Why didn't Millie just say this is absurd?

We're not going to...

Why in the world would we introduce this dunce, Professor Kendi, when all he's telling every of you is that Martin Luther King was wrong?

The only way we combat racism is to be racist ourselves.

Why would we want to destroy the military that way?

Why would I want to think there's a white male cabo?

There's no evidence for it.

Would I want to drive out the people who die in our wars?

That didn't happen.

And so the military is controlled now by the left, just like the major police forces are.

The chief of police of most major cities are Democrats and left-wing.

But, this is my but,

the rank-and-file officers who have to go out and deal with pre-civilizational behavior, they're not.

No matter what race or gender they're, they're not.

And the military people who are on the ground have to fight, they're not.

And they know how to fight.

And so that's...

If she's worried about a takeover by the military.

No, she's not worried about it.

She thinks that

maybe one of the paths to ending this crazy left stuff in our government would be the military siding with public opinion that doesn't want the crazy left stuff.

I think so.

I have trust in the military.

I don't have trust in the FBI.

I don't think there were FBI agents who said, look, we're not going to go into a next president's home fully armed like a SWAT team as if we're going to have a gun battle.

That is absurd.

I'm sorry.

We're just not going to go to school board meetings and try to spy on parents that are worried about three-sex, transgender indoctrination.

Sorry.

No, they're gone.

They have to be completely reconstituted and get rid of all of that DEI indoctrination.

But the military, the rank-and-file and rank-and-file police, I don't think, I mean, they're with the people.

You think so?

I do.

Because that's what her question was really getting to.

You think they're with the people?

Well, I know a lot of ex-military people, and I haven't met a lot of left-wing ex-military.

Yeah.

Well, what she said was reminding me of the 1989 overthrow of Ceausescu in Romania, because the military joined the people at that point, and they were at a war with his own private bodyguard until they obviously lost.

But I mean, the bodyguard obviously lost.

But so when she said that, I was thinking, okay, that's exactly the scenario of a revolution.

What's dangerous is that when you have a General Melli and he's freelancing and calling his Chinese counterpart and warning his Chinese counterpart that in times of strategic tension that may involve nuclear weapons that he will apprise the Chinese about the mental stability of his own commander-in-chief.

That is really a coup.

Or when you have Rosa Brooks writing in foreign patent

an Obama Pentagon lawyer, very high ranking in the Obama Pentagon, married to a distinguished military officer, when she's writing 11 days into the Trump administration that you have to get rid of him, there was no evidence he'd done anything wrong.

And the 25th Amendment would take too long, she said.

And impeachment, she said, would take too long.

So what's left?

What if you just gave an order?

And the military said, nope.

And she was talking about a military coup.

There were two colonels that wrote an article about that and said that General Milley and the Joint Chief should

arrest Donald Trump and not let him and escort him out of the White House.

And one of them lost his job for that.

And then, of course, we had one of the most distinguished admirals.

He's a wonderful individual, Admiral McRaven, but he, for some unknown reason, wrote an op-ed saying that Donald Trump should be gone the sooner the better.

That's very reckless for an admiral, retired though he be.

It suggests that a regularly scheduled election and the give and take and the stern and drawn of a campaign is not sufficient.

to remove a president that you don't happen to like.

So when you leave it vague like that, he should be gone sooner the better.

What does that mean?

Yeah, so you're saying to Adrian here that it's better that we think towards civilian methods of changing government rather than worry about where the military and police are.

We should be happy that they listen to who they are under, right?

I think if the mill...

Put it this way, if General Milley or all of these hate Trump generals that were mouthing off in violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Corner If they had tried to order people to do something,

you know,

I don't think they would have been, I don't think, I think they would have had a problem doing that.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

Just one final qualifier.

Somebody brighter than I is going to say, Victor, that is one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

Do you really think that the FBI stopped when they found out that they had a doctored FISA order to go spy on somebody?

Did somebody in the ranks say, say, wait a minute,

Mr.

Kevin, the lawyer, he doctored that.

They knew about it.

No.

Do you think anybody said, hey, wait a minute, that laptop's authentic.

We can't lie.

We were officers of the CIA.

We can't do that.

No.

So you've got to be careful.

I'm just hoping.

I'm not sure.

Yeah.

Well, thank you, Adrian, and thanks to our listeners.

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