Jussie Smollett, Derek Chauvin and Leftist Projections

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I always thought Juicy was a strange way to say this.

Smollett, though, the man of the bleach at two degrees.

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So, Victor, on the Smollett

story, which we've talked about many times in the past, but

he was convicted, but he never went to jail because he was appealing.

And now it seems like his last appeal has been rejected.

And Juicy Smollett, the hoaxer and fabricator of a bogus race attack crime, will be going to prison.

And to my mind, offsetting that, when we talk about quote-unquote race crimes, is Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer, who famously, infamously had his knee on the neck of George Floyd, who died and created a summer of chaos and riots.

He of course was convicted, sent to a prison, and he's in a federal prison in Tucson, Tucson area.

And he was stabbed to death, not to death, he was stabbed 22 times on Black Friday,

which was done intentionally because it was black

by a fellow prisoner as some symbolic attempt

to murder him for his role in the George Floyd

death.

So, Victor,

not necessarily connected, but connected by prison.

Your thoughts on both of these topics?

Well, you know what?

I don't know.

I gave a talk at the Reagan Library and I mentioned Juicy Smollett.

So you hear you had this guy

and he told us that he was walking in the early morning in subarctic temperatures in Chicago in a left-wing

hip neighborhood and he wanted to go get a subway sandwich.

And on his way, he gets the sandwich and he's walking back.

Two white guys, Jack, they just happen to be wearing MAGA hats and they're roaming this left-wing neighborhood.

And they're fans of Empire, this black

series, TV.

They're just fans, and they happen to see him.

But you see, they don't just happen to see him.

They are walking around scouting out for black young men because they've come

armed with bleach so they can bleach him white, and a noose to lynch him.

So they see Juicy, and what do they do, Jack?

They start making fun of Empire.

I think they use the F word, F Empire.

And then they confront him, and they're big.

They're big.

And Juicy

has the sandwich in one hand.

and his cell phone in the other.

And because he's so you, well, actually, he's quite diminutive, but he beats off these two thugs.

However, they do get the noose around his neck and they do hit him.

And then he chases them off.

And he gets back to his apartment.

And the police come and they see the bruise and they see the noose, but he doesn't want to give him his cell phone.

That's what we know.

And apparently, Juicy breaks the laws of physics because Bleach did not freeze at 20 below, which I think it was that night.

He's been able to manipulate the laws of chemistry, I suppose.

And when this gets known, Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand,

Diane, Nancy Pelosi, this is horrible.

This is what we told you about racist America.

So everybody was suspicious that was sane and said, no, this is a has-been actor who's gay and he's trying to become a

choker, a black gay victim.

And there's no likelihood that white people watch, white MAGA people, excuse me, watch this black series.

So they wouldn't even know who he is or Empire.

And much less would they be walking in a black neighborhood at two in the morning in Chicago.

And much less would they walk around with a noose, and much less would they be carrying bleach.

And if they did carry bleach, it would be subject to the laws of chemistry and freeze if they had it and

they much less would two big guys be able to be beaten off by a guy with just his feet free who's half their size and yet they believed all that

so then it unraveled Of course, it was a lie.

He staged the whole thing.

He staged the whole thing to the degree that he hired his trainers, two twins from Africa who were big and muscular, to

put on a MAGA mask.

And we even have the video where they go into the store and they buy the materials, the rope, the bleach, etc.

We even know that he,

Jackie, wrote a checkout to them to pay them.

And then we have their testimony.

And he's never apologized for that,

putting the nation through this racially tense incendiary period that he caused.

And the DA dropped the charges.

And Corey Booker never said, I'm sorry.

And Kamala Harris, the vice president of the United States, never said, I'm sorry.

And we were supposed to say, you know what?

From time to time,

given the racist history of this country, Jack,

people have expressed a cry of the heart.

Juicy Smollett,

the victims of the Covington kids, the victims of the Duke La Crosse, the victims of Tawana Brawley,

these victims like all these people.

And sometimes, you know, you rigid, rational, stupid white people demand evidence and facts, but you don't understand.

You created these people.

You created their desperation.

And yes, sometimes they have to have faulty memories.

They don't get the story right of the attacks, but you can't prove that it did not happen.

So we're not going to apologize.

And we have nothing to answer for that we caused nationwide racial tensions to spike.

And prosecutors have a duty to drop those charges.

And that's where we are today.

And then finally,

outside prosecutors.

Well,

there's so much race hoaxing, right?

How many times have there been stories about nooses on the door of Stanford University?

Stanford University.

And then we find the noose was grown into a tree above Lake Laguna, Laguna.

So,

you know,

it's always there.

And then, you know, what happens with the hoax, the news story?

Remember the car driver who said that the garage rope or something was a news?

The FBI agents were there

down at Daytona, I think, right?

Yeah, I mean, and then we find out that there's a whole website about all of the,

but the point is when they find out, nobody apologizes.

Nobody says this was a crime to manipulate the justice system and to try to incite racial tension.

And there's no retractions.

Well,

I guess one of the thoughts I had, and it may not be the greatest thought, was they may all tinge on race one way or another, but they're not, whatever the bogus motivation is, the excuse of Juicy Smollett, who is black, doesn't apply to these

white people

like the senator from Massachusetts or other, you know, whites who claim that they're Indian or that they're black, the crazy ass lady up in Washington state who is running

the NAACP office.

Like this hoaxing stems from

something on the left that's just crazed that that uses race.

I mean, you're right.

None of them get caught.

They're not really all that apologetic.

So

they come up with crazy, crazy explanations.

Yeah, what's the reason?

You know what's so funny about this?

And I'm doing this from memory, but all of the network news, like MSNBC, CNN, and a lot of the liberal commentators,

when they got caught and they all ran with it, then they said, what we jumped to conclusions was exactly what you guys did by doubting it when you jumped to conclusion.

And therefore, both sides suffer from informational bias.

You have preset ideas.

You're deductive.

So you use juicy.

And I said, no.

No, no.

I had an open mind.

Jack had an open mind.

You listening had an open mind.

It's only when we were told the stories in the first few hours that a diminutive black gay actor was accosted by two white MAGA people at three in the morning who happened to be walking around with a bleach can and a noose looking for people like Juicy Smoolett as die-hard fans of Empire that didn't like it and wanted his character removed.

So they insulted him, that that was so preposterous that empirically you could dismiss it in one nanosecond.

That's what it is.

But you see, when they get caught like the Covington kids, and they say, Well, you guys just jumped and just assumed these white kids were innocent.

You just assume that the lacrosse team was innocent.

No, I didn't.

I waited to see what happened.

You didn't.

And that's what's so alarming about it.

Yeah.

Even when they're caught, they try to project their own

prejudice and bias.

The left, everybody should remember that.

They project

if

Hillary Clinton, if she's hired Christopher Steele, a foreign national, which is illegal to do in a campaign, and she's paying him money through Perkins Code, DNC, and Fusion GPS to create a phony dossier and then seed it with the FBI and use Mr.

Dashenko, use Russian sources, then what do you do?

You say that Donald Trump is colluding with Russia.

And that's how they operate.

And that's what they did with Juicy Smoola.

They tried to turn it around.

Egregious

in this area is take Brian Williams, who got caught for, it wasn't race, it was just that this

kind of like a stolen valor story.

I mean, this helicopter covering him shot, he gets caught, he gets exposed, he loses his gig

running NBC Nightly News, but he doesn't go off to become a potato farmer somewhere.

Not knocking potato farmers, by the way, God bless them.

But he ends up with another another job at nbc uh and particularly as a profession where you're supposed to be a true truth teller and even that they don't the

shame is not there i know it i was watching you know every to get an idea of how the left covers it I look at these stories, I look at the bylines on Reuters and APP, Associated Press, and I look at the BBC,

Washington Post, and I see these people, many of them for the Middle East, that told us that 500 people had been slaughtered in a hospital leveled by a deliberate Israeli bomb that was targeting a hospital with the pretext that there was a tunnel, which didn't exist, I hear.

And then when they're told that, no, they have satellite imagery, they have computer trajectory imagery, they have U.S.

intelligence, and they have the actual words of Hamas people intercepted that this was an Islamic jihad rocket that fell short and hit a parking lot and killed maybe 50 to 200 people, not 500, and not a hospital, and not Israeli.

And there is a tunnel complex, in fact, under the grounds around the hospital.

They're completely discredited.

And what do we learn?

One nanosecond later, they're lecturing us in their news reports.

1,400 citizens, 14,000 citizens in Gaza slaughtered by these raised, according to health authorities.

No, according to Hamas propaganda machine that has fooled you and disgraced you and humiliated you, and you have no credibility.

They have no shame.

They're right back at it.

Well, Victor,

I also brought up, I don't know if you want to comment on it, Derek

Chauvin, the

Minnesota Minneapolis police officer, who was

on the verge of death himself for being

stabbed because he is Derek Chauvin, because of his role in George Floyd.

Are we really surprised that this could have happened?

No, and I think the family of George Floyd was,

I don't say, delighted, but they didn't comment.

The whole point of the whole George Floyd thing was that picture of Sheldon

indifferent to the knee on George Floyd's neck.

Okay.

And then the guy dies.

And everybody gets outraged.

And we have 120 days of rioting, looting, arson, 35, 40 people killed, $2 billion of damage.

1,500 police officers wounded, attacks on the White House grounds, burning of the St.

John's Church,

torching of a federal courthouse, torching of a priest, all everybody just says that's all justified because of that facial expression.

And then, when the initial autopsy, we had that sexual harassment suit recently, we got all this information out, we had that documentary, the fall of Minneapolis, it all comes back out that the autopsies taken before they knew that it would be that controversial show that

it was likely that he did not die of a compression wound to the

trachea,

and that that was an approved hold to stop people like George Floyd, who are big and disruptive.

Confirmed by the final release of the body cam that show him resisting arrest,

then show that he suffered from advanced heart disease and he had dangerous levels of fentanyl, and he'd had the same situation happen in an earlier stop,

and he was in the process process of passing counterfeit bills, which drew the attention of the police.

And when the ambulance was called, they either didn't know what to do or they came 20 minutes late.

And he had a long record of the felon and had put a gun in a home invasion to a pregnant woman's stomach.

And somehow he ended up with angel wings.

And out of all places, even in Kabul, Afghanistan, as we fled, there was a mural of him.

That was the story.

But it doesn't matter, you see, because Derek Chauvin

either was bragging or he didn't know how he looked, but he's standing there with this knee on this man who died, and that's all it took.

And so in the left-wing mind,

all of the 120 days of voluminous was justified, and the fact that he was almost killed is justified.

And anybody who tries to look at the actual story and the details and the context is called a racist, and nobody wants to get near it.

You just, it's kind of like saying there were a lot of ballots that may have been cast by people who were not registered legally on election day.

You say that and you're persona non grata, you'll be fired.

Or if you say,

I think the Moderna Pfizer mRNA, they're not going to be 96%

protective of being infected or being infectious very long.

If you had said that in 2021, I don't know, August, you would be persona non-grata.

And that's the way we do it

in this mass democracy.

You know, it's sort of what if you read Tocqueville's Democracy in America or

I don't know, Aristotle's book for the politics, is exactly what they warn you about.

They say that democracy of a particular kind is very good.

Landed democracy, people who are responsible, people that have checks and balances on

their hysterical expression.

But you get into type

one of democracy, a mobocracy, an oclocracy, and it's pretty dangerous.

And

that's what happens, mass hysteria.

We had mass hysteria with George Floyd.

And that BLM

took advantage of it.

Antifa took advantage of it.

Kamala Harris said, I mean, if you apply the standards of what Donald Trump said on January 6th, now it's time to walk over to the Capitol and protest peacefully.

And that was a reckless thing to say when there were that many people around.

And then you take it what she said right after the violence that had resulted in trying to get to the president of the United States and swarm the White House grounds that sent Trump and his family into a bunker.

And she said, these protests are not going to stop and nor should they stop.

And they're going to keep going on all the way to Election Day.

And then you look at this morally bankrupt media and quote-unquote fact-checkers who did every type of Foucaultian postmodern twist and massaging.

She said, she really didn't mean that.

She never actually said violent protests.

She just meant protest.

And did they apply that contextualization when Trump said, march over to the Capitol?

It was like the Charlottesville when he said there were good people on both sides and they're bad people.

I'm not talking about the Nazis.

And they cut out everything and said good people on both sides.

He's including Nazis.

And that's what the left does.

And

anyway.

Well, you know, Adams, John Adams said

this project, this experiment of ours, America,

could only work if there was a virtuous people.

So you're right, Dan, unless you have, I mean, democracy is,

it doesn't work when you bring 27% of the state of California, the people were not born in the United States and they were eager to come here and you do not offer them the opportunity of civic education.

You don't say to the immigrant from the Punjab, from Vietnam, from Honduras, from Oaxaca, look, you voted with your feet to come here.

This is the national anthem.

This is God bless America.

This is America the beauty.

Your kids are going to be singing this till they memorize it.

This is the Pledge of Allegiance.

You're going to learn that at six.

This is the Constitution.

You're going to learn that at seven.

And then at eight, this was Iwo Jima.

This was the Battle of Shiloh.

This was the War of 1812.

This is

my country tis of thee.

Teach them all of that.

And if you don't do that and you don't inculcate a love of the country they voted themselves to accept, then you get what we have now.

You get Jesse Smollett and you get 120 days of rioting and looting and you get Antifa and you get BLM blank, blank, and you get people celebrating from the Middle East, especially October 7th.

You come over from the Middle East and you say to yourself, I don't like to live in Syria.

They'll put me in jail if I protest.

I don't like to live in Egypt.

I can't criticize the government.

I don't like to live in Gaza.

I'm gay.

I don't like to live in Nablus because if I do and I'm a woman and I wear a bikini, I'm in trouble.

I don't like to live in Saudi Arabia.

I want to be a Christian and I'll be killed or beheaded.

I don't like to live in Iran.

It's too dangerous.

But I do want to live in the United States.

And I come over here.

And guess what?

It's prosperous.

It's secure.

It's free.

And everybody thinks I'm a marginalized person with grievances against my host automatically.

I'm a person of color.

I'm a Mideasterner.

And those white Jew oppressors, I'm going to go out and shut down the Manhattan Bridge.

I'm going to interrupt a tree lighting ceremony.

I'm going to corner a bunch of Jews in a library.

I'm going to hit a Jewish guy over the head and knock him out and kill him.

And you know what?

That's...

And if anybody says to me, if you want to do all that, why don't you go back to the country you're demonstrating on behalf of, and you'll have everything you want.

You won't have to bother us here, and you won't be bothered.

And if you say that, oh man, you're a xenophobia, you're a native, nativist, you're racist, and that's where we are.

It's just so crazy.

If you come over to the United States and you want to live here and become a citizen, then acculturate and learn our protocols and values.

Used to be when an immigrant came over here and they studied to pass the citizenship test, and they were so happy to leave, I don't know, communist Hungary or communist Cuba or communist Nigeria, whatever.

They

loved this country and they became hyper-patriotic and they became workaholics and they were more American than we are.

It wasn't, oh,

What do I get out of your country?

Where is my free phone?

Where's my free hotel?

Where's my free EBT card?

And oh, by the way, this is a racist racist country, and I'm the other, and I have, you know, claims.

And I, as an illegal alien, I don't think that you're treating me very well.

And I'm going to wave my Mexican flag because I never want to go back there.

And I'm going to step on the American flag and try, if I'm a Palestinian, I'm going to try to shimmy up a pole on Veterans Day and destroy this flag

because I want to stay in the United States.

And I'm going to wave the Palestinian flag because under no circumstances would I ever want to go back to Gaza.

And that's where we are.

Complete, I don't know, psychedelics.

I don't know any other term.

Yeah.

Kaleidoscope.

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I have.

I'm worried about Hillsdale because I don't think they can, how can a school of 1600, Jack, handle all of the massive applications?

Yeah.

Everybody Everybody in the United States is saying, ain't going to send my kid to Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Stanford and get indoctrinated.

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Where is a place sane?

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Oh, Hillsdale College.

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Yeah, and it doesn't, relative to other private institutions, it doesn't break the bank.

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But my child is hard left, and maybe they can take over the chemists.

That's what I think would be happening.

Well, I'm going to, we'll get to reading.

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We'll get to it in a minute, but I can't help but ask since you raised this.

Did you read the news that came out in the last day or two about Felicity Huffman, the actress, now recounting about her, why she was engaged in that scam to inflate her daughter's SAT scores?

And she went to prison, I don't know, maybe for a month or so.

But she, did you see her

came out, was interviewed on ABC?

I just saw that she said she, didn't she say something like

it was on dying shame or something?

Or I

didn't, that's all I did.

I didn't read it.

I just thought she

finally confessed that she was

shamed by what she did.

Well, I don't know how shame she was because she

said she had to break the law.

Yeah, she had to break the law.

Yeah, because why?

If my daughter didn't go to this elite institution with the proper branding, life was not worth living, something like that.

And essentially, she threw her daughter under a bus again.

Like she wasn't smart enough to get into a decent, decent place.

I'm kind of a,

I must say, originally I thought.

She did it all because she was what, the proverbial good mother.

She said that earlier.

The good mother, right?

Right?

Her only problem was this, Jack.

She did it too soon.

She thought you still had, and she, she tried to get her daughter in when there were standards, right?

There was SAT scores required, right?

And

she had to, didn't she pay somebody to take the SAT test?

She paid.

No, well, she paid this guy to

do the years worth of work to get the scores up, but then the guy comes to her and says, she doesn't, she's not going to cut it.

So that's when she paid him.

But just think to doctor the scores.

I think she could get out an appeal because she could say,

Well, yeah,

you required the SAT, so I cheated, but now you all dropped it because you admit the SAT was racist.

It's bias.

So how can you hold me culpable for trying to pass or fudge on a test that you admit is biased and unfair to people?

So, I thought it would be unfair to my daughter because you're being bad, I was being bad in reaction.

So, I'm innocent.

And then she could have said, if I had just waited a year, since there's no comparative GPA really standard and there's no SAT, I could have just hired a person to write a DEI essay about how I went over to Nigeria and I helped build a well and I discovered that I'm half black and then I would have got in.

And it's really hard how you, you're getting somebody for cheating to get in under a former

former criteria that no longer exists.

no longer exists.

So today, if you want to cheat to get into Harvard or Yale or Princeton, you don't have to worry about taking a,

have a surrogate take your SAT.

You don't have to worry about inflating your GPA.

They're not going to use it.

All you have to do is go the Elizabeth Warren

or Churchill.

And maybe you, I guess you could get, I've been told that a lot of people send in their DNA, you know.

you know, those online DNA.

Oh, sure, yeah.

I'm 12% Tunisian.

I'm a minority, right?

Well, I mean, Elizabeth Warren said that when you have, what, 0.2,

is it even 0.2, 0.02 Native American, that proves you've got some Native American ancestry?

One over 1024.

I think that's the yeah, and she's in the Harvard.

Remember, she was the first Native American Harvard professor with high cheap book.

So, yeah, I think these poor people, I mean, they spent, I don't know how many days in jail and they had to pay a little fine and they were humiliated.

All they did was

go cheat the old standards and break the old rules that the university themselves say now were bankrupt, unnecessary, racist.

And all they are going to do now,

the next generation of Hollywood bankrupt, amoral actors that want to get their kids in, they don't have to go through that.

All they have to do is fake a minority identity.

Right.

Well,

thank you for all that.

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Okay, Victor, let's go from Hillsdale, Michigan to Capitol Hill.

Two stories worthy of getting your thoughts.

One is

that Hunter Biden has been

subpoenaed to testify before the House Oversight Committee.

And unlike you and me, Victor, if we were subpoenaed, I don't know what kind of special grounds we would have to dally or to off-put put off.

But so

there's been tension back and forth between

Hunter Biden's lawyers and the House Committee.

Again, I know he's the son of the president, but I don't know where he has special citizenship

status.

And so that's one Capitol Hill story.

And the other is has to do with foreign policy where the House of Representatives voted to block

Joe Biden's,

you know, the access, blocking Iran.

from accessing the six billion dollars that the biden administration made available to iran and the in to uh uh

swap for the six,

I'll call them hostages.

So, Victor, again, we're recording on Saturday, the 2nd.

Some events may have happened between now, then and now when this is being broadcast.

But that said, your thoughts, Victor, on

hunters and then on the House action on Iran?

I don't remember.

Do you, on January 6th, when they called in every possible conservative to the January 6th committee, they started giving them orders about the conditions under which they testify?

I don't.

And when they refused, I think

Steve Bannon, I mean, they tried to put him in jail, or they did jail them.

So I don't think Hunter's in any position to give anybody orders about anything.

But his strategy now with this

lawyer that he has is to go on the offensive as the victim, which is always a good idea in in America, post-modern America.

So he's suggesting they're picking on him.

And by the way, those pictures now on the laptop, that guy who did it, he's really did a good job.

And there's a book out.

I got a copy of it where everything in the laptop, Jack, is cataloged and footnoted.

And it's not lurid.

The pictures that are pornographic are brushed out, fuzzed out.

So you cannot see it.

This is the Marco Polo?

Yes.

Yeah.

He was, he worked, I think, in the Trump White House, but he spent his life, I mean, it's kind of academic, there's footnoted, and every

communication, every text, every email is there.

It's going to be a huge book.

It is.

It is.

It is.

I was looking through it, and you look at that, and

this guy,

there are evidence of felonies on every page, whether text about money coming in from foreign sources or distribution or solicitation of prostitution

or

drug use.

And,

you know, it's the same old Biden story as we talked before.

Can't keep a,

you take a laptop with that type of incriminating personal information and you just leave it at some computer store and you sign a contract basically to get, to drop it off that if you don't pick it up it becomes the owner's property in comp recompense of the time he spent on it and then you try to sue him or you try to defame him when he owns it and the same thing with Ashley Biden's diary you just leave your body you just write about all these intimate things about the president of the United States taking a shower with him when you shouldn't be doing it as a child and then you're so whacked out or irresponsible you leave it in an apartment and then somebody finds it tries to peddle it or or get it, and then you go after them, or the same thing with Hunter and his gun, or the same thing with Frank Biden and his nude selfies,

selfie pictures that show up on a porno site, or the same thing with Joe Biden, who prances around in front of a Secret Service female agents nude, or the same thing with Hunter, who as I said, can't keep his pants on and takes selfies of his own genitalia.

So something's wrong there.

I don't need to get into it, just to say there's something wrong with that family.

And this is from the left.

And remember, every IO, every,

I know every, as a reader of American News, I know every detail about the stormy Daniel sordid affair, thanks to the left.

And they were, you know, they thought this was important for everybody to know, but they don't even discuss any of this.

It's all anybody who sees this and knows about it is purient or culpable for even mentioning it.

So that's the story on that.

And I don't have much to say about Hunter Biden other than I get back to that thing I've beaten to death that he has some sick relationship with his father.

He mentions it on

the anger that he is the dirty bagman who had to arrange the deals, had to carry out the messy transference of funds, had to disguise the distribution.

And his dad, after all of his work,

he got Mr.

10%.

In some cases, he complained, he takes half, and he gets his household utility bills paid, remodeling done by Hunter, and he's really angry.

And then he decides, you know what?

I'm sick and tired of me being the bad guy.

And if I get in trouble with the IRS, I'm having my lawyer bring in my dad, the president, to testify, dad.

How do you like that?

Or if I get in trouble, I'm going to start painting with my mouth to remind everybody that I'm a cokehead and I'm going to make paint by the numbers awful art.

And I'm going to peddle it for half a million bucks for people who want to gain access to you.

And what are you going to do about it?

And I'm going to tell everybody in my family, if you've got Coke, go to the White House.

Leave it in a little thing.

That's how destructive he is.

And that's why they're terrified of him, because he's capable of anything.

Well, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, I think, when it comes to destructive, because what has been more destructive?

I just think, I think it's in the family DNA.

Joe Biden's pulling out of Afghanistan.

Has there been a more destructive action taken by a president?

He didn't care about anybody.

He didn't care that he left thousands of people that had worked with us and were Americans as well there.

He didn't care that we blew up innocence and then, I think,

righteous hit,

Millie called it.

And then we don't care that 13 people were blown up.

We don't care that while all this was happening, we were politically correct with our pride flags and our George Floyd murals and our gender studies.

And we had to reassure the world that when we were in shame and humiliation flying out of Kabul, that when people landed who were of Afghan ancestry, guess what?

We had correct Mediterranean cuisine waiting for them.

So that's just like we have the right pronouns for the illegal aliens that come into our country without audit.

That's how sick this administration is.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, on from

Hunter Biden to another travesty of international policy,

and that's Biden slash Obama, and that's Iran.

But

yeah,

I don't understand that at all.

Is that Valerie Jarrett, or what is it about Iran?

John Kerry was fixated on Iran.

Anthony Blinken is fixated on Iran.

Obama was fixated.

Biden is fixated.

What is it about the theater?

It's not Israel.

I think that's what.

I guess they like it because...

Rafin Johnny, I think in 2002 reportedly said that it was kind of a good thing that half the world's Jews of the 15 or 16 million Jews in the world, more than half were in Israel because therefore it was a one-bomb state.

He said that, supposedly.

And how would you ever, why would you want to empower that?

Why would you want to give them $6 billion?

Why would you want to pay, if you're going to tell Iran that you're going to pay $1.2 billion per hostage, maybe they might tell Hamas, you know what?

The Americans and by association, their client, the Israelis will pay a lot of stuff when you go in and murder as many Jews as you can, take back 240 hostages.

We'll pay you a bounty on each one, and they'll pay you money, or you'll be able to get away with murder.

Take away the 240 hostages, and there would be no Hamas alive today.

They would be history.

And that starts when you start doing what we did.

Why would you want to give them $50 billion windfall in oil sales?

I don't understand that.

And why would you be fighting your own Senate to release money for these terrorists?

I don't understand that.

I just don't get it.

I don't know what the fascination that John Kerry had for Iran or Anthony Blinken has or Biden has.

I understand Obama.

I do, because he had a theory that he was going to empower Tehran, Beirut, Damascus, Gaza City, and therefore tell the Israelis and the Saudis and the Jordanians, ah, I don't need you.

I have my own little constituency, the Shia Crescent, and that's going to be creative tension between the two of you.

And every once in a while, when one side gets more powerful than the other, Barack Obama, the Lord and Savior, is going to come in and try to adjudicate creative tension.

That was the idea of empowering murderers and thugs.

Well, Victor, the word on the street is that you have some Irish heritage.

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Anyway, Victor

Oh Hansen,

there's madness happening over in Ireland.

So woke, so damn woke.

The country has really done a 180 on its heritage in very, very

short order.

But a terrible incident,

not an incident, happened

involving some illegal immigrant or migrant and the Irish, you know, the deplorable Irish got their Irish up and they protested.

And that got the hackles up of the Irish elite, who you cannot find more woke elite than there are in Ireland.

And, you know, now it's, it's, I believe the justice minister there said it's a crime to say

Irish lives matter.

They do not have, many countries do not have our, it's admitted, our free speech, American free speech heritage.

But still, if you're Irish, you can't say Irish lives matter

because they don't matter to the elite.

I don't think so.

Anyway, Victor, I know you've looked at this a little bit.

Well, that comes from, I mean, most of the bad ideas in the world come from the United States first.

So that came from All Lives Matter.

And you can't say anything matters except Black Lives Matter.

And

I don't understand that Prime Minister, Leo, what was his name?

Vera Carr, Verad Carr.

He's half Indian.

He's the first gay.

Varad Carr, excuse me.

And he's the first gay.

I get that.

He's the first half Indian or Indian, non-full Irish.

And

he's just

incapable of saying anything intelligent.

I mean,

I think, Jack, he's a conservative.

passes for a conservative in Ireland, which is probably left-wing in the United States, but

he didn't say

Israel, what it's doing, borders on revenge?

I thought you think

you come in and they kill and mutilate and decapitate and commit necrophilia, and you have to stop them from doing it because they promise to do it all the time.

And when you go in to stop Hamas, you might think that it's a little bit of revenge.

I think so.

Also, Victor,

the girl who was

kidding.

Yeah,

no, she was not kidnapped.

She was lost.

She was lost.

And they just did not

barter terrorists, give up terrorists who'd hurt Maine, kill people to get her back because she just turned up.

She was found.

Somebody found her.

She was wandering around somewhere, I guess.

You know, just happened to walk across the border into Gaza, enjoyed the Gaza delights

at her young age.

And then somebody said, hey, she's Irish.

I found her.

You know, it's kind of like an amber alert in Gaza.

And so what does he think he was doing when he said that?

We know what he was doing.

He was trying to do what he's done this whole time,

empathize with Hamas

against Israel.

I don't know.

You mentioned Irish, you know, on my mother's side, I had a grand, my grandfather, her father was Rhys Davis.

He was completely 100% Welsh.

He looked like a Welshman.

He's very white, ruddy, and prominent teeth, you know, front teeth.

That's why I had braces.

My parents, we all had really big, what do you call them, rabbit teeth?

Well, Welsh,

yeah,

choppers or chompers.

Yeah, buck teeth or chompers.

I know they called us Bucky Beavers in first grade because we all had the Welsh teeth.

But

my grandmother was 5'1.

And her brother was 5'3.

And she had 12 members of her family and uncles and aunts.

And I I don't think one of them was over 5'4.

And they were Irish and they were very sensitive about it.

So we

grew up with

what were they sensitive about being Irish or being short?

Yeah, they conflated the two when they said,

I shouldn't say this because it sounds so illiberal, but my

grandmother said to me, well, you're Swedish because you're 6'1,

but at least you have monkey eyes like the Irish.

And I said, What does that mean?

And she said, Your eyes are, your eyes are like mine.

They're beautifully sunken into your skull.

And

she called them monkey eyes.

And then

she,

I know it.

I thought that was terrible.

And I thought that was a slight, and she was 100% Irish.

So, oh, wow.

Yeah.

And, you know, and my father was dark hair and he was Swedish.

He had olive complexion.

And my grandmother had told me once, well, you know, they're a black Irish

and they're black Swedish.

And I don't know what she meant by that.

I guess she thought that Corsairs had raided Scandinavia or something.

I don't know.

No, for the Irish, it's the

Spanish fleet.

Yeah, Spanish fleet, but whatever.

In any case.

I don't know why that was, given that my father's lineage, lineage, they more identified as Swedish.

I think it's because they were more recent from Sweden than I identified as Welsh or Irish.

I think it's probably you identify with your fathers more than your mother because of the name.

It's possible.

I think my brother named his child Leif.

And

I named my two children after my parents, William and Pauline.

And I went to my mom.

And when my son was born, I said,

when my daughter was born, I said, I'm going to name her Frida, Freda Hansen, and I'm going to name my son Axel.

And she said, over my dead body, you're going to do that.

She was very funny.

She said something to the fig.

I put up with your father buying those awful little bug Volvos that we had to drive, used Volbos, you know, 544.

My dad would go around to junkyards and find these ladybug Volvos that could hardly run and fix them up and then i i grew up with the 20 cups of coffee i grew up with the butter cookies i grew up with the rye crackers i grew up with the electrolux appliances but i put my foot down

you know something

with the axle

we should um on a separate show uh maybe it may be worth getting into what what's the insanity over

names but by the way i want to ask you a question about your mother but my wife tells me about

some kids she's involved with.

The names today are like one kid is Poseidon, and another kid is Galaxy.

These are first names.

I'm like, what the what has gone?

What is it?

Names are not unimportant.

And then, of course, you take a quote-unquote normal name, Michael.

But nowadays, you have to

have to spell M-Y-K-O-L.

That's Michael.

What happened when I was when I was in high school, the prettiest girls all were called Melinda or Marsha, often with a C instead of S-H-A.

There was Linda, Marsha, Glinda, Melinda, right?

Those were the names.

They don't call people.

I guess the prior generation was Agnes and Hazel, right?

Nobody names their kids Agnes or Hazel anymore.

Well,

growing up in more Catholic communities, you did have more,

you know, the names of the apostles and more.

Have you ever met a have you met a young person named Agnes?

I haven't.

No, no.

Hazel, no.

I haven't heard Melinda.

Have you?

Melinda or Marsha?

Maybe sister-in-law, Marcia, but she's not exactly as

she is she's a little older than me and lovely, lovely.

I love my sister-in-law.

She's a great lady, but she isn't Marsha.

Well, anyway, let me ask you about quickly, Victor, if you don't mind, and we can wrap up.

Because Sandra Day O'Connor passed away yesterday.

We're again recording on the second.

Did you, and she's a Stanford

law graduate.

I'm just curious,

did your mother know her at all?

No, you know what?

It was funny.

My mother was born, Sandra Day O'Connor died at 93 this week, and my mother was born in 1922, so she would have been 101.

So she was

eight years i think my mother was the third woman she graduated uh she grad she she went to university of pacific and got a bachelor's degree because my father went there and she was interested in him and she followed him she met him at kingsburgh high school she was in salma high school she spent a year at a community college and met him and then he got a football scholarship so she wanted

she wanted to date him, I guess.

And she went to University of Pacific.

Then he got graduated and and got,

he was in the Army Air Corps during World War II.

Then she went to Stanford University and got a second BA

and then stayed for law school.

She graduated in 1946.

And she was 20, she just turned, she was not yet 24.

And

it was very similar, though, because She immediately couldn't get a job.

Imagine she had two BAs from Little Selma, California, and her sister, my grandfather mortgaged his farm, his little farm, because

he didn't have a son.

And his oldest was crippled with polio, terribly crippled.

And he never went to college and his wife never went to college and they had no money and they thought they had to have somebody to help the farm.

So he mortgaged about 60 acres and sent his oldest daughter to get a BA at Stanford and a master's.

And she became, my aunt became a community college teacher.

Unfortunately, that family, the Davis, all the women in that family, and this is, I'm scared, and my daughter, I guess, qualifies who passed away, they all had cancer.

So my great-grandmother died of cancer.

My three first cousins died of cancer, the Davis family.

My aunt died of cancer at 49 who'd graduated from Stanford.

My mother died at 65 from brain cancer.

And it was kind of a gene.

And my daughter died of cancer at 26.

And I just pray that gene is not manifest in my surviving daughter.

And all the men didn't die of cancer.

But the point I'm making is that she came and became a community college teacher.

Her name was Lucy Anna.

She was a wonderful woman.

She was wonderful.

And my mother then came back and she couldn't get a job.

She applied all over in 1946 and 1997

in the Bay Area, everywhere.

Nobody would hire a woman with

two bachelor's degrees and a Stanford law degree.

And she did very well on the bar first time and she was highly ranked in her class.

So she came back with my father.

They had no money and

she

worked for a local law firm as a legal secretary.

for a couple of years.

And then she had four children.

One passed away.

And then my older brother, my twin brother, and then she stayed home.

In those days, you were considered derelict if you didn't stay home.

And then she stayed home with us and raised us in this little 800 square foot farmhouse.

And she had all this education.

She was just a wonderful mother.

I mean, she played us opera.

She played us symphony.

She talked about, you're going to go to Stanford.

You're going to go to Berkeley.

You're going to go there.

And education, education, education.

And yet we had no money.

And I'd always say, well, if you got all these degrees, why didn't you, why are we so poor?

I would say that at eight.

And the farm was doing very badly.

And my dad was trying to farm and be a high school teacher.

And then he went back and got a master's and went to a junior college, but he was doing both.

And

then all of a sudden, at

40 years old, they opened a court of appeal in the Central Valley.

And there was this very famous family, the McClatchy family.

And one of the matrons of that family had married a judge, her second marriage after her first husband died, C.K.

Philip Conley.

And she went up and applied, and he happened to be actually

kind of a visionary.

He was about 65, and he hired a woman to be his chief legal researcher, you know, for the appellate court.

They had three judges.

It was a brand new court.

So for 15 years, until she was 55, she did all of the research for the appellate court.

And then Jerry Brown came in, and he was under fire for Rosebird.

And my mom was a Democrat, but she was on a farm.

She was kind of conservative.

She had children, and that was an ideal selection.

So he appointed her to

first female juvenile court judge, and then she was a superior court judge.

And then she ended up as an appellate court judge where she had worked.

And so she was, I think, the third appellate court female in 1975.

And she had a wonderful career from

75 appellate court to

she died in 1989

of a brain tumor, which was told, we were told it was benign, it was a benign meningioma, and it actually was not.

It was one of the rare malignant meningiomas.

So she had a

very tough two-op brain operations and everything.

Very heroic, the way she did it.

She tried to work through it.

And

when she was being mentioned as a possible, you know, California Supreme Court justice, because she was the most senior female justice in California.

But the point I'm making is that when Sanviday O'Connell got appointed, my mom was in these National Appellate Judges Association.

So she went to Washington a lot and met her a lot.

And they talked a lot.

And

I met once her husband, and he was a very sweet guy.

And

I brought up to Sandra Day O'Connell, not only that she was a Stanford law grad, but she also

practiced in California, San Mateo, I think, area for a number of years.

But anyway, well, that's cool.

Yeah, and then she.

I looked at a lot of the letters that people wrote her when she was in law school.

And

the thing that I remember was when she told me that when she was a third-year law student, William Rehnquist, I'm pretty sure, and somebody can check that.

I'm speaking from memory, that William Rehnquist was a first-year graduate, first-year

Stanford student.

And he had been,

when my mom was an undergraduate, I think he had been an undergraduate with her younger.

And then when she was, they used to call them LLBs before they had JDs.

And when she was getting her law degree, he was a first-year student.

And she knew him and liked him, even though he was very conservative at that age.

And she was from a populist, Democratic, agrarian family.

But she liked him.

And so when he became a justice and a lot of people

at the court she knew were critical of him, she wasn't.

She kind of liked him.

because she had known him when she was a student.

But

it was kind of on, I don't, the one thing I learned from her was not to be bitter.

And I mean that, because she would tell me that after she became a judge,

and she didn't do it till she was, I guess, 50

and or 40 something.

And after all those years of working as a, and you know, it was kind of rare in Fresno to have a BA and a JD from Stanford if you were a woman so early.

Right.

And all these men over those years who were in big practices in the San Joaquin Valley, and she had applied when she was in her 20s, and she would always tell me that so-and-so came before me when she was a superior court, right?

When she was a trial judge, or somebody came before me on appeal.

She was very professional.

She didn't talk about cases very much, but she did say,

This person, I went and asked him for a job when I was 24, and he just snoked me.

This person never even talked to me.

This person said I was incompetent because I was a woman, this, this, this.

And now they're coming before me as an appellate court judge.

But she never let it affect her and she never got bitter about it.

And she always would say, you know,

I remember I said,

I'm 21 and I'm in the PhD program in classical languages.

And I've had three years of Greek and three years of Latin and everybody here had it in prep school.

And I'm trying to finish in three or four years.

And I've been, you know, I'm pretty pretty good at it, but I am not, I didn't grow up in prep school, I didn't go to Europe every summer.

And she said, Oh, come on, don't whine.

If you want, if you want to do it, you'll do it.

You'll be, just outwork them.

That's all she said.

Outwork them, out study them, and be the best Greek scholar there.

Be the best you can be, and don't worry about, never worry about other people, just worry about yourself.

So she was not bitter, and it was very good advice.

And she,

when she passed away, I was just surprised at how many

conservative justices really liked her, even though she one thing she did was she was the first female appellate court in the whole Central Valley.

So she made it a point to hire women.

I don't think exclusionary, but when I would go up and visit her, each appellate judge had four or five lawyers attached to them.

And she had all these young women that come out of law school.

And I still see them now.

They're in their 60s or 70s,

the women that she hired.

And

that was kind of unusual that she, but the men didn't regret it.

And

she was very attractive.

Everybody thinks her mother was attractive, but she was very, very attractive.

And my father was, because, you know, when you're the only woman and you're around male lawyers and male judges.

Right.

But my dad was 6'4.

And he weighed 220 and he was a rough customer and had fought all of his life in in the Army, Air Force.

And so I remember one time a justice, not a justice, a lawyer had said something like, I think he pinched her rear end and she didn't know what to do.

And she came home and says, oh,

this lawyer pinched my rear end and I could feel it

beneath my robes.

And my father said, what was his name?

So

next time he came up to the court and he walked over and he said,

I think you should pinch my rear end.

Just pinch it, please.

You like pinching rear ends, pinch mine.

We'll see what happens.

He never pinched her again.

The point I'm making is I wrote an article about that, about me too.

I didn't mention any of this.

I'm probably divulging embarrassing family history, but I said that part of the problem with me too is we didn't have family networks anymore, that we didn't have cousins and brothers and male.

And when we were growing up, when you had women in your family

and they went out on dates or they were, and boys treated them badly, you know,

they had

a deterrent, you know what I mean?

Brothers and sisters that I mean, brothers and fathers and uncles that said, you screw with my sister, my daughter, my mother, you're going to be in big trouble.

And that was a deterrent effect on the bad,

the pathological propensities of young men to take advantage of women.

High engagements of family deterrence.

Exactly.

And I think a lot of the problem is, and I know people are going to get angry saying, well, Victor, women can be liberated and they just could live alone and we have only children.

That's what we want.

And you're back in the stone age.

Anyway, I wrote an article back in Me Too

era.

And I said, if we just had men that believed in chivalry anymore that said,

you're not going to treat my sister or my mother, my daughter, my niece in a way that's disrespectful for her and I know that I shouldn't have to intervene because she's a capable independent woman but I'm just there in case that doesn't work out I want to warn you and I wrote that and I had a colleague at Hoover just tear me apart about

how what a Neanderthal I was and sexist and she actually tweeted what you're not supposed to do about fellow Hoover fellows and she attacked me for writing that

well i won't mention her name but she thought that that was sexist i don't think it was sexist i thought it was enlightened

and i i have i've done that in my own

i've had it students have come to me and said this guy is in my class and he's stalking me

and i've always said it happened on two times out of 20 years i had a very nice girl and she's and she said this guy sits in the back of the room he looks at me and then when i go out he follows me and i walked up and i said

you know you do that again, you're going to be in big trouble.

I had another very nice student and her boyfriend came and he sat there next to her the whole time.

And anytime she raised her hand, he glared at anybody who talked to her.

You know,

if I called on her, he glared at me.

If another student asked her, he glared at me.

Kind of a gang banger type guy.

He sat in the class and I said,

You get your blank, blank out of this class.

And then he said, I know where you live.

i you know that's typical gangster i know i know where you are you better watch out

but i said do your worst and i'll do my best and we'll see who wins but the point is that

i think chivalry is an underestimated virtue i wish it was back again yeah i don't see it as condescension at all or patronization i think it's helping women in a difficult male environment that

women are independent and I think that's great and equal, but it doesn't change human nature and men being the stronger muscularly and physically, they tend to take advantage of women.

So you need good-hearted men to stick, you know.

I subscribe to your kind of Neanderthal, Victor.

I do too.

Yes.

It brings some degree of justice.

I feel bad.

You know,

I was in Washington, D.C.,

not this year, but two years ago, and I was walking back from an event.

I probably shouldn't know, it was a long event, and there was a young woman walking ahead of me.

It was about 9.30 at night, and I don't know if the neighborhood was good or bad, but I was walking behind her.

And I think she was scared, right?

Right.

She could hear me.

So I kind of walked to the side very fast.

And I just said, I'm walking behind you.

And if you don't mind, I'll walk at the same pace ahead of you because if anything, you know, this is a bad, might be a bad neighborhood.

yeah and and she said thank you but she was even scared of me for saying that a stranger but i did do that and i thought and it was kind of it turned out there was a lot of questionable characters but i think if everybody did that and

it might be a safer world for women

indeed well my friend

uh i'd love to see you write uh some essay on on chivalry.

Anybody can look it up.

It's there.

Next time I'll try to list it.

And it got me in big trouble at the Hoover Institution, apparently, when a fellow colleague attacked me.

We'll see.

Don't, folks, don't go looking for the tweets.

All right.

Oh, excuse me.

They're not tweets.

They're X's.

As I've been lectured by some of our, at least one of our listeners.

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