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So, Victor, we've talked before about

the ongoing aggravation

kind of name-calling,

one way mostly, Donald Trump against Mitch McConnell.

And something interesting has been reported.

My old stomping grounds, the National Review, Michael Strain from AEI, did an interesting piece about

the recent elections.

Well, the election is a little bit recent as this podcast is being aired.

So there's a lot going on here.

But okay, there were some Trump candidates for Senate seats who McConnell really didn't like because they weren't worthy enough, whatever the hell, not qualified enough, but they won the nominations, and McConnell wasn't going to support them, and they were lagging in the polls, et cetera.

And

they were Trump's candidates.

So that's kind of the rough background.

And then, according to this piece Michael Strain wrote in National Review, and I'm sure it's been reported elsewhere in various ways.

McConnell's pack or whatever means of

campaign contributions he has at his hands really poured money into these

particular races,

New Hampshire,

Ohio, etc.

And the comparison is that Donald Trump, who's sitting on a motherload of money, has spent very little money

supporting these particular candidates, who, by the way, the day we're talking, you know, this is being aired, they may be the presumptive senators from these various states.

So meanwhile, once again, Donald Trump attacked Mitch McConnell.

You know, what do the Democrats have on him that he's

I just can't get to the bottom of yeah it was kind of a you know the death ceiling i think he attacked him on

okay

well um

i don't you know uh there's something to be said here from didn't maybe mcconnell really did help uh these election uh outcomes i'm making a big assumption that they will be the outcomes uh

I don't know how this is good for the ongoing feud here is good for the things,

conservative principles, the things we

care about.

But Victor, we've talked about it before, but I just wanted to see if there was anything more you maybe wanted to say about the health or the wellness of

these two men in their relationship.

Yeah, I think

in a perfect world, they would just sort of agree to disagree and let each of them work in different ways for the common conservative good.

And everybody knows Mitch McConnell was instrumental in getting a lot of judges approved and green lighted right through the Congress.

So he deserves a lot of credit for that.

And

Donald Trump blamed him, of course, when he failed to

pass a reform for Obamacare.

He blamed him for the McCain vote.

I think they fought, didn't they fight over Lisa Murkowski that

she was the incumbent rhino and this colleague Shabaka is a very good candidate and she's a real conservative.

She is.

And she's ahead.

And

it didn't make any sense in the Trump view why you would back somebody who votes with the Democrats and does stupid things like votes against Rhett Kavanaugh's confirmation.

Or I think she may have voted for impeachment.

Yeah, she did.

You're right.

She did.

And so, why would you want her there?

And I guess Mitch McConnell's attitude is, whatever, we're just going to back the incumbent no matter what they do, because we don't want to get into personalities.

But So he's given a lot of money.

And on those races that he, I think he did give money to Vance.

He gave money to four or five ranging from what, five to two million, but he didn't give any money to Blake Masters

because he is

tied at the hip with Trump.

So I suppose the idea is that

He feels that he's the senior elder statesman of legislative Republicans with the most most power.

He does.

He's the only one that has,

you know, that he's had that mastery of the Senate protocol.

He understands it better than any of the Democrats.

So he knows how to take bills and wind them through that labyrinth, and that's valuable.

But

when he doesn't understand what's happening beneath his feet, and that is that this party is changing.

So when he makes statements, as he did earlier, I think in September, that he didn't have confidence necessarily they were going to take the Senate.

And he had some valid reasons.

He said there were more Republicans vulnerable than there were Democrats, true.

But then he said that, you know,

on the Senate level, it matters about the candidate.

And then he raised his eyebrows and he sort of mumbled that these candidates might, you know, the Trump candidates.

And you don't do that when you're the head of the Senate.

uh for your party.

You say the opposite.

You say, we got great candidates.

Right.

The Democrats have the bad candidates, not us.

John Fetterman is a bad candidate.

And Hobbes or whatever her name is, and that's running.

North Carolina.

Yeah, I mean, she's a bad candidate.

And Kelly is a pathetic candidate.

And Hattie Murray's blowing a big league.

And she's a bad, and Maggie Hassan is a bad candidate.

In comparison,

there's a whole new generation of really, I mean, think about it for a minute.

There's this Tiffany Smiley in Oregon.

Is it Oregon?

Washington, Washington, excuse me.

And then is it,

is it,

you help me there with Dezeg.

She's running for, in Oregon, and she's wonderful.

Yeah.

And then there's

Carrie Lake.

And one of my favorites is Tudor Dixon.

And when you in Michigan, and when you look at all of those candidates,

they're all self-assertive, they're independent, they've had lives apart from government, they're very, very conservative,

they're well-spoken, they're very attractive, they're just ideal candidates.

And when you compare them with whom they're running against,

the people they're running against either won't debate them or can't debate them, and they're not very impressive.

So when you look at that, you would think that Mitch McConnell would say, wow.

Right.

Where did a Cary Lake come come from?

Wow.

Where did Smiley come from?

Where did Dixon come from?

These are great candidates and we've got to get out and get them elected.

And he didn't do that.

So maybe, and I'm not making an excuse from,

there was a, you know, you could be snake bit on this.

That happened in Nevada, whatever it was, like 2010, where,

gosh, she was a terrible candidate, nice lady, but she lost to Harry Reid in a race that would have been won by the woman she beat in the primary.

And then you had that Delaware crazy lady.

The witch woman.

Yeah, the witch woman.

So those things made

her indelible mark.

I had met, she worked for

ISI.

ISI and

Intercollegiate Studies Institute.

Yes.

And

I had met her.

And you know what?

I found her one of the nicest people I've ever dealt with professionally.

She was really nice and competent.

So when I saw that they kind of did a number on her when she, she's, when she made that commercial, she said, I'm not a witch.

Remember that?

Yeah, yeah.

Well,

I know some ISI people that have worked with her.

And she is anyway, she

can't relitigate that.

Yeah.

But I think that's those things probably play in McConnell's mind.

But you're right, Victor.

You know, he kind of bought in, in a way, bought into the, the Democrats were pouring money into some of these races to help elect the, you know, in the primary,

elect the bad, the loot, the Republican who's going to lose.

No, I mean, he was, he was talking about Blake Masters and J.D.

Vance and Herschel Walker, and Herschel Walker is going to win, and Oz is going to win, and J.D.

Bance is going to win.

And I think Masters is going to win.

Bolduck is going to win.

I think Balduck's going to win.

And those were all MAGA candidates.

And

they were not well funded.

And he should have looked at that empirically rather than think about Trump and just say, you know what, I don't care whether they're for Trump or not.

They're good candidates.

And Baldick's got a great personal story, patriotic combat veteran, amazing guy.

Done a terrific job campaigning, too.

He has Smiley is just all-American person.

Her husband is a combat veteran who was wounded and blinded.

That woman I was thinking of, I think her name is Drazon.

She's wonderful.

Tudor Dixon,

one of them, or two of them, have cancer survivors.

They're just inspirational people, and they're what you want to represent the Republican Party in this new era.

And yet, yet, Congress is not.

Exactly.

He can't see that.

He wants to know.

Let me just

project a minute.

I think what he's doing is he's thinking,

I've got 25, 30 million bucks or more, and I've got to allot it.

And if I allot to these candidates and they,

if I don't allot, maybe they'll lose.

But I don't want them necessarily to lose.

But if they win,

they may be a Trump anti-McConnell bloc, and I might not be Senate majority leader.

So I've got to be very careful how I dole out this money.

So I'm going to dole out people that I'm going to get on the phone to and say, look, I'll give you.

And down he held on.

he kind of ordered it to the end.

And he's, I think he's probably saying, Look, I'll give you four or five million bucks, and that could make the difference.

But I don't want you coming in the Senate and

voting me out of office.

And so that's, or maybe he's saying,

I can't ask you to do that.

I just want from you that you'll be non-committal.

And so I think that's what's going on.

Well, it's that could very well be true.

I think there's also a very plausible case to be made.

And again, we are talking before before the elections have happened and

we're speculating.

But

his money was for real, was put in and could say, you know, this helped make the difference.

And if many of these races are relatively close, although once upon a time, quite distant.

So if you win by 1% or 2%, it's a win nevertheless.

But he could make the claim that the money I brought.

I think what Trump needs to do is just say, look,

there's a guy in the Senate that's not going to leave, and he's a master of the rules.

And on 90% of the legislation, he's going to push the conservative message.

He has to or he won't retain that office.

And I'm going to keep out of it.

And to the degree I have to deal with him, I'm not going to get into personalities.

That's a lot.

Right.

I do wish Trump put up, if it's true, the amount of money he's holding on to, it would have been

pretty righteous.

I think he's looking at DeSantis and thinking, DeSantis got $200 million.

So why should I take my money when that guy's going to have more than I am and help my party?

When that guy is not the official or the titular or unofficial head, so he's not under any obligation to give money to candidates.

So he's hoarding his money and he's way ahead in his race.

And he doesn't acknowledge that I created him when he beat Gillum by a half a point.

That's the Trump point.

And DeSantis' answer is, look, I won, and I have a perfect right.

I'm trying to make a model state.

You're a resident of my state.

It's a good, I'm doing things well.

And I've been very loyal to you.

But I don't think loyalty demands that I not, you know, that I don't run against you.

So there's going to be enormous pressure from the Trump people to wait your turn.

Maybe a Reagan, George.

Bush Sr.

12-year regnum or

four for Trump and eight eight for him, I think they're saying, or Ron and Don or whatever that is.

Combined ticket if Trump changes his residency or something.

Yeah.

But we'll talk about that later.

Yeah, another time, yeah.

There's a rendezvous with a mess coming out.

Oh, yeah, big time,

steel cage match.

You think about it, you go back that

Florida gubernatorial election four years ago.

My God, if it had gone the other way,

how the dynamics of this country might be different and that that freaking weirdo would have been a governor of a state that big is uh what do you call

weirdo?

Doesn't somebody just happen to go to a room, he was just talking to some old friends, and one thing

another got his pants off, he was just a little hot, and then he they added they pushed some drugs on him, and then somebody just he didn't know the guy was a callboy and had you know that there were these cardiac problems, and yeah, gosh, gosh.

Well,

uh,

okay, Victor.

Well, that's enough for uh for politics.

Another, you know, big issue out there is uh Brazil and Brazil's elections and what it means, and what the hell's going on in South America.

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And the left has

prevailed.

And watching the news, it's funny, I was watching Hed Fox on the other night and after Biden gave his atrocious union station speech in

Washington.

And Tucker's show comes on at 8 o'clock Eastern Time.

And I'm thinking, well, Tucker's going to be

drilling this guy a new one.

And no, what he talked about was Brazil and how

the things we take for granted in America, well, not everyone's taking them for granted anymore, free speech, opposition,

how

there's really quite the chill of rights going on in Brazil right now because of this election.

And then he also said something that I found deeply troubling, and that this entree to the left in one of the world's biggest countries is really a boon to communist China.

So, Victor, I'd like to know if you would share your thoughts about

the elections in Brazil, what do you think it means?

But as we mentioned a little earlier before the show, you told me, you know,

the whole political and ideological disposition of South America is something that

should be troubling America, North America, the United States of America.

Victor, have at it, please.

Yeah, I think

the election in Brazil is part of,

as you mentioned, it's a trend.

It's the Venezuela, it's the Venezuela-Nicaragua model, and

it's in Peru.

And

now it's with

Lulu de Silva in Brazil.

And Bolsonaro is...

It was a tight election.

And when you mean China, what does it mean?

It means these left-wing governments are are more apt to welcome the Chinese capital investment for this Belt and Road, you know, harbor construction and train terminals and

cargo ships and all that stuff and have a forge a new

relationship.

And of course, it's creeping northward, so it'll be in the Caribbean.

And you'll have it.

In the Chinese way of thinking, remember what their ultimate objective is, it is to tell us:

you are an ally of

South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan, and your ships routinely go into the South China Sea, and that's our sphere of influence.

And because we don't have the power to keep you out, we're going to develop host countries in Central and South America, and then we're going to have access to your Caribbean, and we're going to be right in your face and see if you like that.

And so, that's the ultimate.

As far as the, and then these governments

are, you know, it's because of the COVID lockdown.

Take away the lockdown.

And many of these right-wing governments were doing pretty well.

But

if you have stagnant economies, if you have worldwide inflation, if you have high energy prices and you make the call in South American terms, much different than North American terms, that

Well, not much different than Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden now.

But you say these people, these oil companies or these corporations are stealing from you and you've got to take it, take back stuff from them, then we know what's going to happen.

And Lulu is the convicted felon.

And so you're going to have, on the one hand, the Chinese, and then you're going to have this sort of

socialist kleptocracy, which you always see in

South America.

And you can see the United States, I think a lot of social media, didn't they ban people from objecting to the dubious, there were elements about the Brazilian elections that were just, and they were interfering and say, you can't post these things on our social media.

And there was some inference that the Americans, Americans' diplomatic corps was also involved in the city.

Yes, they were.

They had warned Bolsonaro that he couldn't object or there would be repercussions.

And it's the same thing they did.

under Clinton and Obama with Netanyahu.

They interfered in Israeli elections and they sent campaign advisors and staffers to work with Netanyahu's opponents.

And I think he had five elections that we interfered with.

It's very ironic because we're always telling

the world that this entity and that entity is interfering with our elections.

But every time you have a left-wing American government, they start to interfere in South American or Israeli elections on behalf of socialists.

It's really ironic because in the 60s and 70s, the left said, wow,

the right has an idea.

Well, at least these sons of bitches that are running South America are sons of bitches.

And they were really against, you know,

ITT and Anacona Copper and United Fruit and these puppet dictatorships.

Okay.

But in a way, they're doing the same thing now.

They're interfering in these left-wing political atmospheres to get the socialists elected or to use big tech to censor objections about

election irregularities.

And so it's just, it's part of a great, a larger pattern, Jack.

And so if you ask a leftist and they're honest to you, they'll say,

but Bolsonaro represents an existential threat or

maybe Netanyahu is an existential threat, so it requires extra measures to help the people and to preserve equity.

So of of course, we have to intervene.

But when you guys interview, intervene, it's for selfishness and for a small clique and for a cadillo.

So we're different.

And that's how they always think, that the rules don't apply themselves because of their moral superiority.

Hey, Victor, you mentioned, and I should have remembered before the show began, but nominally, a Brazilian election of importance happened.

So, as you just brought up, so did an Israeli election.

And Netanyahu won it.

Again, it almost got, like a lot of things getting lost in the overwhelming

pre-election, United States election news.

Significant win.

Two things.

I know I'm improvising here.

Do you have any thoughts about that?

And

well, let me ask one of the I totally forgotten.

You were in Israel with your tour earlier this year.

Did you meet with Netanyahu?

Yeah, I mean,

he was very accommodating.

We had, I took took 106 people.

I think it was eight days after I got COVID.

And so

I had tested negative, but

I can't remember a lot of it.

I was just with long COVID.

I was just wiped out.

But the point I'm making is we got over there and we had arranged, we stayed in the King David for

five nights.

We had really, it was a wonderful tour.

Went all over the country.

D.B.

Netanyahu gave a private, off-the-record lecture to our group at the King David, as did Ito Netanyahu's younger brother, who's a doctor, a very accomplished doctor and playwright, and

not only gave

that lecture, but mingled with the crowd and talked to them, as Ito did as well.

And Ito had dinner with his wife and our group.

And then my wife and I went out and

had dinner with Ito and his wife.

And I had a long talk.

I had a private talk.

I can't talk about it.

It was on the record record with Bibi.

But it's very clear when you read the Israeli news accounts.

And I spoke to some Israeli groups in Jerusalem, but there was a concentrated effort

to

weaponize the Israeli criminal justice system and the judiciary to go after Netanyahu because there was no other way they could stop him because he had a lot of popular appeal.

And people in Israel, when you talked to them, felt that

if Netanyahu

was their leader, then he and he alone could deal with Iran if that came to it in an existential fashion.

He and he alone could have fides or respect among the Gulf states and the Arabs.

He could further the Abrams Accord and create this de facto alliance.

with Arab countries that had the common enemy of Iran.

And I think he wrote in his memoir, he gave an interview, Russian pilots in Syria control the airspace.

From Syria, Hezbollah launches missiles and terrorist attacks into Israel.

Israel

Air Force responds, and that means de facto in the air.

Then an Israeli pilot waves to a Russian pilot who escorts him as he attacks Hezbollah.

And so when Mr.

Zelensky starts to shame Israel and says, you've got to be aligned with the United States and do what the United States tells you, and you do this on Ukraine, which

they have been doing, then they're getting in trouble for their own national security interests.

So when Netanyahu comes back, he will probably,

not that he supports Putin, not that he wants, but he will, in a realistic fashion, say, listen,

we will not attack

you in Syria.

You don't attack us.

We will only preempt or reply to direct aggression against us, and we're not going to be an active player in Ukraine.

That's just a fact of life.

And so I think

it's very funny, even though Netanyahu, who's a very learned,

sophisticated college, multiple graduate degrees, and Trump, who also has an MBA, but Trump is not the same type of leader.

They have a lot in common.

And

I think if you were to ask Netanyahu, and I'm putting words in his mouth, he would probably say something to the effect that

while there were more sophisticated American diplomats, and I just, I want to make clear, I'm not quoting him.

I'm just suggesting from the Israeli press and talking to observers like Carolyn Glick and others.

I think the assessment of Trump is, it's kind of a bewilderment.

They're thinking, well, on the one hand, all of the intricacies in the long history of the Jewish state and these power power relationships with Abbas and Hezbollah

and territorial disputes.

The American diplomatic corps mastered all the details, but they never understood the essence of it, that these people want to destroy us.

And Trump comes along from the private sector and has none of that breadth of knowledge and no historical specificity.

So, but yet, for some reason,

if it's a matter of the Golden Heights or moving the embassy or cutting off the radical Palestinian terrorists from American money cycled through the UN, he got it right.

And so I think there's an enormous amount of

respect for Trump.

Even though people realize that he's a different type of American leader.

I think that plays into what was already a pretty extensive hatred of Trump, that Trump did get these foreign policy things right.

While all the

Council of Foreign Relations experts and Foreign Affairs magazine writers never got it right.

I mean,

look at Israel right now.

There's nobody talking about giving back the Golden Heights.

You go up there, it's beautiful.

And it's strategically essential for Israel's survival.

And it's not going to go back to, and so they can have another exam, another occasion to attack Israel from it.

It's not going to happen.

Trump did that.

And anybody who goes to Israel and they see, you know, the difference between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and the residence of historical Jerusalem understands that that's going to be the capital of Israel.

And that's not going to change.

And anybody who looks at the wider contours of the Middle East sees

that

the Obama-Biden vision of the Middle East is absolutely bankrupt and stupid, nihilistic, the idea that you deprecate and lessen the influence of Israel and Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states and maybe Egypt and Jordan, and then you're trying to balance them off by Iran, and then you get a strategic tension and no one country feels that they have the knot of the United States and that tension then creates sort of a peace that's insane.

And

so what Trump basically blew all that up, he got out of the Iran deal and he went to the Saudis and the Jordanians and the Egyptians and the North Africans and he said, look,

Iran wants to destroy you people, these Shia theocratic Persians and you're Sunni Arabs and you have an ally with Israel.

You may not like Israel.

They may not like you.

They may or may like you.

I don't know.

But you have a common enemy and you can work and coordinate defense strategies.

Because Israel is never going to preempt and attack you.

They're not going to do it.

They're not going to use their nuclear

force to FRAP, so to speak, to preempt you.

These guys are.

In fact, Israel has a strategic wherewithal to be a protectorate in the region.

And that's what Bimi was doing.

And he had a nod, you know, that Ablin Picord and Jared Kushner and all that.

So he had a nod from Trump on that.

And it was working.

And the left got very angry about it.

And as soon as Biden came in, he blew it up.

He didn't want it anymore.

Yeah.

And so I think it's a great news that BB's been

elected.

And I think the left will go crazy because the Israeli left is just as crazy as our left.

Right.

And they will find some twist in the law or some

informant that worked for Netanyahu 20 years ago or they'll have some tax accountant that'll go back through years of records and then all of a sudden they'll spring and say he's committed a felony and they'll try to use the judiciary to do what they can't do legislatively.

Criminality,

criminalize our enemies

is

one of the main attributes.

And they will do it

with the help of

the whole U.S.

establishment, especially Joe Biden, the Obamas,

our Secretary of State.

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor, Blinken,

they'll all join join in and try to weaken or undermine the Netanyahu government.

They might detest him too at a personal psychological level because he is a man's man.

He's a warrior, an actual warrior.

Well,

he was part of a group that saved a whole plane from, and his brother was killed doing the same thing.

Right.

In Uganda, right.

All three of them, the three brothers were all war veterans.

One of them was a hero.

I mean, he died leading the Entebe raid.

Right,

right.

Yeah.

And so Yoni.

So Yoni was.

Yeah, he was the only one who was killed.

And then even that,

the left stooped so low to try to disparage his heroism to hurt Phoebe.

So they've gone after the entire family.

in Israel, and they do it on the prompt of the United States.

Right.

Because, you know, when remember with Barack Obama, that remark that he's chicken shit or how dare he speak to the Congress about the Iran deal?

Right.

They kept him waiting

so he could cool his heels before he went in the water.

They were just petty.

And

the thing is, it's different, though.

The American left is kind of in a mindset of the 1970s where Israel's a dependency.

But if you would just look at it empirically, Israel's got enormous amounts of natural gas, even though we've kind of screwed them over on the offshore divisions where we weighed in favor of the Lebanese and the Syrians, so to speak.

That was a really terrible thing we did.

But nevertheless, they have a good partnership with the Greeks and the Cypriots to bring in on the East-Med pipeline

something around 10 billion cubic feet of natural gas right into Italy.

We stopped that, of course, I think partly to punish

the Israelis.

But they have energy, which they never had before.

If you go there, they've been just absolutely the most innovative country in the world on desalinization, and they give water to people in the West Bank and the Arab world that wouldn't have it otherwise.

The economy, I think people forget the best thing Bibi ever did was to open the economy way back under Sharon when he was an economics minister.

And so

the last time I had been in Israel, I've been there twice, but the last time I was there, I think it was in 2006 or 7,

8.

And when you look at that economy now, it's just, there's cranes dotting the entire skyline everywhere.

And the roads are just stuffed with trucks and cars.

And Haifa is just,

my gosh, Haifa and Tel Aviv are just booming.

And I've never seen young people.

And

you don't see people 10, 12, 11 walking out in Jerusalem, in Jerusalem at 11 at night.

Or you don't see people singing Israeli songs on a national holiday or waving Israeli flags.

I'm talking about six and seven and eight.

I've never seen a more enthusiastic, patriotic, confident people.

And the economy has just been radically transformed

in terms of tech and high-tech weaponry.

And so it's a very powerful country now in a way that, and it's no longer just a dependency as far as a strategic protection on the United States.

It wants to be a full partner.

Yeah, Ron Dermer, who was the ambassador.

I don't know if you ever met him.

Oh, I

was very good.

He gave a terrific talk at Gatestone Institute a few years ago.

And he called it, it's very simple, but he called Israel is America's indispensable ally.

And to the point you're just making it, Victor, it's not

a basket case for America to have to handle.

No,

it's its own power.

And there's any nation that punches above its weight.

It's Israel.

The Vatican used to.

Israel does.

It is.

Even when Michael Orrin was the ambassador, they went after him.

People did.

He couldn't speak at an American university without being attacked.

He was a wonderful ambassador, historian, veteran.

And so

it's,

I think people in the Middle East, its neighbors now have a different view of Israel.

I think they feel that the United States, when you have a left-wing government, is not reliable and would be willing to mortgage their security, however you define that, either by vulnerability to Iran or by making them pump a lot of oil that's not in their interest when the price is very high to lower the price so that we don't pump oil that we have in greater abundance than they do.

It's kind of crazy.

And so they're, but they look at Israel and that kind of helps them with Israel.

I think, wow, you guys,

you're Western like the United States, but you don't tell us what to do.

And you're very powerful in this neighborhood and you understand what Iran is going to do.

And the United States doesn't understand that, but you do.

And

so they forged a really, I think, a very successful alliance that offers some deterrence against Iran.

And if this administration keeps pushing it and pushing it and pushing it, pushing the Iran deal, pushing the Iran deal, pushing the Iran deal, deprecating, criticizing Israel,

they're going to send a message to the radical Hezbollah people, to Al-Qaeda, to the Palestinian radical.

They're going to say, it's okay for you to do stuff because Israel sort of deserves it.

That's the well, and look at China, would say that to South Korea, you know, other nations, like, you know, are they going to be there when you need it, or Taiwan or Japan?

You know, like how they treated Israel.

Well, Victor, we have some other things to talk about,

including some

exclusive material you've written for your website and your

most recent piece you've written on We Were Lab Rats.

And let's talk about those right after these important messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis-Hansen show.

So, Victor, this is a piece you wrote for

American Greatness as your syndicated column.

So, it's not exclusive.

I just like to know if you could talk about this a little bit.

My thoughts, as you were talking earlier, about talking about people with expertise.

Oh, actually, I said, you know, Council of Foreign Relations type.

And I don't, you know, expertise sometimes comes with

cruelty.

And if I go back to a movie, this may not be the most apt comparison, but you know, Ronald Reagan, Kings Row, where's the rest of me, like the twisted doctor that cut his legs off because he didn't like them.

I do think in the world of

you're not talking about mad necessarily scientists here in this piece,

the left were the mad scientists.

We were their lab rats.

But I do think that they're the X, the left with their pedigrees and their,

you know, for Harvard degrees of some

accreditation, et cetera,

that comes with it a cruelty in their view towards

the not credentialed.

And one last babble before I shut up and you speak.

You know, quite some time ago, we talked about this Fauci thing.

Remember, they came out that

he permitted this savage

testing of dogs, of beagles, and how they were tortured with bugs and all this kind of insanity that can make God cry.

And I thought, what the, what, what possesses because they can, they do it because they can do it.

I'm glad they test animals so we can find cures for our diseases, et cetera, but not cruel means.

Anyway, there's a cruelty.

There's a cruelty here.

And the left, we were the Lambrats that were treated

cruelly over the last few years, Victor.

So this is a piece you've written.

Would you talk about it a little bit?

And then we're going to get into some of the ultra stuff you've written for your work.

Yeah, I don't want to get into the election.

That's it's just too complex.

Let's just take it for a given that Joe Biden won the popular vote.

Let's not get into how he did or anything.

But

the result is a lot of people who should have known better, independents,

some Romney Republicans, voted for Joe Biden on the lie that he was a uniter, he never had been, that he would bring

the country together, that he hadn't really campaigned, but he was sort of kind of maybe just let the Trump successful agenda run on autopilot and then add some ruffles and flourishes for the left.

And then that unholy Faustian bargain where the left said to him, you know what?

We don't have an emissary that can hide our communist agenda.

We don't.

And

we can't carry it across because everybody does not like Elizabeth Warren.

They do not like Bernie Sanders and the general population.

They will not vote for an idiot like Kamala Harris or Corey Booker or Beto.

You're the guy.

So you get in the basement, farm out the campaign to the media, attack everybody, and we'll get you across.

We'll get all the protests modulated, as Molly Brown wrote about.

quiet it down.

We'll get everybody out to vote.

We're going to change the voting laws.

We'll get you in.

But once you get get in, you're old Joe from Scranton.

And you just kind of, oh,

and then we'll push this stealthy thing through.

And it didn't happen that way.

He thought, I'm Joe Biden.

This is what I've always wanted to do.

And I'm a leftist now, but I'm going to go out and be point man in a way that Barack Obama never could do it.

I'm going to outshine everybody.

And then to listen to Joe Biden is not to like him.

And in his sonality and his dodge, he just went out there.

and the messenger is nullifying the message.

The message was toxic or noxious, and

the messenger was obnoxious.

And it was a one-two punch.

And so he's destroyed all of this stuff.

And everybody knows that.

Everybody understands that, what he did.

And so

we were lab rats is what I'm trying to say.

That

we went along, we, I mean, I'm not talking about our conservative base, but the American people went along and they were going to be tested.

So these guys, these mad scientists got in under dubious circumstances and they said, you know what?

Let's get our white coats on and our syringes and let's just go

full blast.

Border, let's not open it.

Let's fucking destroy the damn thing.

Criminal justice system, just let them out, see what happens.

Energy?

Shut Anlar down, shut all the leases down.

Harang institutions.

ESG, don't fund this stuff.

Cancel these pipelines.

Foreign policy, just give everything to the Taliban and get out of there.

And that's what they did.

And that was the great experiment.

And it destroyed everything.

And the country is unrecognizable.

If you go to San Francisco or downtown LA,

or in a New York subway, it's unrecognizable from two years ago.

Or just go.

I went to the local home depot uh tried to yesterday and they have a policy jack that at given times they will not have the automatic you know the computer where you scan yourself those those yeah

they're just shut down as is the garden section there's

well you tell me so i was talking to a person off the record

and that is to

not

be predictably open when the shoplifters, because

everybody's a shoplifter now and there's no crime.

I see the local police out there every other time I go there.

They get called.

So the one way they're trying to stop shoplifting is just stopping the

automatic or easy entrance and exit, almost channeling the crowd through a checkout stand.

So then I went to my local ride.

It was down too for maintenance, just shut down.

And I think they're implementing new security refits and maintenance.

So the country,

yeah, the country, I went to another drugstore and I just realized for the first time in my little community.

Drugstores are kind of like what they were in Europe when I was there in the early 70s, where you weren't allowed.

You know, you went to these little stores and you said, hey, I need this aspirin there.

Right.

A little guy with a blue little, you know, little mock

overalls and he had a little ladder, and he said, okay, I'll get this.

And then you waited in line, and then he gave you the stuff.

Right.

And that's what it is because I want to get razors.

Nope, can't get razors.

They're locked up.

I thought, well, maybe I have to go on a long trip next week.

I need some Zyrtec.

Nope, you can't get Zyrtec.

It's locked up.

I thought, okay,

maybe some shampoo.

Nope, it's locked up.

Everything was locked up.

And

that's new.

And so

what I'm getting at, at, we lab rats were the victims of these experiments in criminal justice and border security and

energy sufficiency and

inflation with modern monetary theory, more money, the wealthier we all become, and

sort of, I don't know what we call nihilist foreign policy.

And we blew up the country.

But I said there was only one good thing about it.

Rarely does out-and-out socialists come to power.

It hasn't happened since FDR in 32.

And rarely when they do come to power, do they have both houses of Congress?

And rarely, when they have both houses of Congress and their president, are they stupid enough to go full bore immediately and expose who they are.

And they did all of that.

And now people can say, Joe Biden is a fraud.

He's a mean-spirited SOB.

He divided the country.

The squad is insane.

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren don't know the first thing about economics.

We destroyed a wonderful energy policy.

We humiliated ourselves in Afghanistan, which helped prompt Vladimir Putin to take a stupid

step into Ukraine.

And we've We really offended the Canadians by canceling Keystone and hurt ourselves in the process.

And we've unleashed this George Soros's madcap.

I don't know what he is.

He's some kind of mad scientist that thinks he can destroy criminal justice by getting these nihilists elected in big cities.

Sick.

And people are dying on the streets.

And the border.

Yeah, you know, and as I was driving through LA, I said to myself, it won't change until the language changes.

And the moment people say, I'm not going to use the word homeless homeless anymore, I'm going to use the word vagrant because not all of those people are homeless.

A lot of them are drug addicted.

Some of them are criminals.

Some of them are assaulters, but some of them just don't want to live in a house.

Some of them are tragic people who were, you know, who can't afford the cost of housing, but they're not just homeless.

And that's a euphemism for a lot of damage, health that goes on.

When you see people fornicating, urinating, defecating on the streets, that's not a modern civilized society.

It's not going to change until we change the word diversity.

Diversity doesn't mean diversity.

It wants uniformity.

It wants one

socialist voice

with people

that are mostly as few non-white people as possible voicing that one voice.

It does not want people, as it used to, proportionally representated by their, if you're going to think that way, but with different political opinion.

Stanford University, Harvard University does not want 40% of the student body liberal, 40% conservative, 20%

disputed, and then people roughly looking like the population.

And they don't.

They're into repertory.

admissions.

They've gone beyond proportional representation, which I wasn't a supporter.

I was a supporter of meritocracy, but

I understood the logic, but now they're in repertory.

So when we get rid of that word diversity, because it doesn't mean they want diversity of anything except

a

monolithic megaphone on the left, that's all they want.

And we got to get rid of that word as well.

And we got to rid of

the word affirmative action.

It's not affirming anything.

It's just, it's a regressive action.

They should call it regressive action.

Well, it's pretty, it's

pretty good for white, it's benefited white women pretty, pretty much.

It's benefited white women, but it's punitive.

And what's happened

under this,

because I go to a lot of campuses,

I would say the following, just looking as a stranger walking across a California campus, especially a Tony campus, like Berkeley or Stanford, USC,

there are really, I could say this, I think, with some confidence, there's almost no working white kids none

males right because what's happened is they've taken the proportional representation 12% African American 10% Latino 1 or 2%

Native American 55%

women

and that left you with 68% whites but maybe only 28% or 30% white males So if you want to up the African-American quota from 11 or 12 to 15 or 16, the Latino from 10 or 11 to 14 or 15,

and you are going to cut back on whom?

Well, you cut back on the Asians.

You're under federal scrutiny.

So they're going to leave that alone.

So what they've done is they've cut back on white males, probably from about 35 to 36% of the student body that represented their actual numbers in the general population down to about 20.

But then it gets interesting because who are the 20 they're selecting?

That is not enough quota to handle sports, legacies, and donors.

So when you look at the white males that are on campus at Harvard or Yale,

they're more than not likely to be

the sons of people who have five or six generations going to Harvard or Princeton or Stanford.

Their parents gave $10 or $12 million.

That has absolutely eliminated a guy from, let's say, Tulare, California, whose dream was going to Stanford and got straight A's, took all AP classes, got four or five, aced the ACT and SAT,

and then wrote an essay about getting up in the morning and working out

on a tractor or something to give.

true diversity.

That person has zero chance to get in.

Zero.

Yeah.

And that's what's happened all across the country.

So I get this, all these people, for some reason, I don't know, I get maybe one or two a week, just out of the blue people, email and said, you know, my son really wants to go to Stanford University.

Could you advise him?

Could you meet with him?

What can you do?

I always say the same thing.

I bet your son is a straight A student.

I bet your son has perfect scores.

I bet your son's an eagle scout.

It's not going to work.

If he is a white male

and he has a perfect record, he is going to compete against the Silicon Valley hierarchy that have an unlimited amount of money that will give it to Stanford, or they have people, they're all themselves Stanford graduates, so they know everybody.

And it's very funny because these institutions pass themselves off as egalitarian institutions, and they're not.

My wife, Sharon, said the only way my kids would have gotten,

Andy, my middle kid, Andy's a man now, captain, you know, cross-country chief, valedictorian, captain of basketball, altar boy, you name it.

You know, where we're seeing this kid.

Well, he's he graduated.

We went to UConn, but no way he applied to, he won the Yale Book Award.

He didn't get in.

And then Sharon said, what he should have done was written in his essay how much he despised the political views of his father, who's the publisher of National Minor

Corp.

So, hey, Victor,

we're running out of time, but I promised we're going to get a little preview of something you've written for the website.

So,

you've written this three-part series

on how the projectionist game is played, and it's pretty extensive.

Would you just briefly tell us, you know,

could you summarize it?

What prompted you to write it?

And I just, before you do that, I want to, again, tell our listeners, I mean, this is ultra content.

This is the kind of material that victor writes exclusively uh for victorhanson.com

well

if you take some of the the most controversial issues that the left uh uses to attack its opponent take the 25th amendment

if you said and people have said that that joe biden is uh non compos mentes he's not control of his mind and this is a classic 25th Amendment question.

Because just as we've been talking this week, Jack, he said there were 54 states.

He didn't know whether he was in the 20th, 21st, or 22nd century.

He talks about that he went implying that he went to a black college, which is a complete lie.

He doesn't know where he is.

And so you think, well, his son died in Iraq again.

Yes, his son died

in Iraq, and he mislabeled the Ukrainian war the Iraq war.

So you look at that and it's a disaster.

Okay, so

you say

25th Amendment, well, they were the ones that brought up the 25th Amendment.

They were the ones that said that Bandi Lee, the Yale psychiatrist, should talk to members of Congress to assess Donald Trump.

They were gaga because Andrew McCabe and Rod Rosenstein were going to wear a wire and trap Trump and then go to the cabinet and say the guy's crazy.

They wrote things all the time.

There were people anonymous, all these op-eds that he's not saying he's dangerous.

He's going to blow us up.

But that was a projection.

And so now, 25th Amendment, you don't dare do it.

They do it.

And they accuse everybody of not being able or up to office.

But you can't say it about them because they're projecting.

Same thing about insurrection, armed insurrection.

Does anybody remember Washington and the Chaz Freestone where those radicals connected to BLM just walked around with loaded AR-15s and took over the municipal space?

And raped and murdered

inside the perimeter.

Yes, the 120 days, 2 billion, same old 35, 40 people killed, shot, 1,500 police officers.

Liz Cheney won't mention a

word of that.

Gosh.

But it wasn't.

So they project that onto the armed insurrection.

But there may have been people in the larger crowd that had a weapon may or are in a car, but there were no people inside the Capitol that I'm aware of that were arrested or detained that had a weapon, i.e.

a firearm that was loaded.

It just didn't happen.

But that was a projection.

And so

you look at election denialism.

Stacey Abrams.

Jimmy Carter, we talked about that earlier in the broadcast.

Hillary Clinton, all they do is talk about denialism.

They get so into denialism, so then they say, you're a denialist because they're a denialist.

Same thing with collusion.

Collusion, collusion, collusion, collusion.

Donald Trump colluded with Russia.

Donald Clush.

You can see those clips.

There's a clip on the internet, I think it's 12, of all the time they accused that.

It was everybody.

It was Max Boot.

It was Jory Reed.

It was all of the CN.

And

it was everybody.

It was Dianne Feinstein saying it.

You know, that the election's not legitimate.

They colluded with the Russians.

And then what was that but projection?

Who colluded with the Russians?

Who hired a foreign national to gather Russian-fed dirt that was made up to their receptacles, Dashenko and Dolan, over there in Moscow?

Russia probably just made up all these crazy things and said, these guys hate Trump so much.

This will be interesting.

And they were shocked that all that crap that they threw out there was gobbled up and then vomited back into the steel dossier.

So whatever they are guilty of, you can tell because they accuse somebody of doing what they have done in the past, is what I'm trying to say, whether it's denialism, election denialism, or whether it's changing the votes or tampering with the voting process by making sure that you have 102 million mail-in or early ballots and the rejection rate just falls by a magnitude of 10, and then you accuse other people of trying to have voter suppression

are

on and on and on.

And so, when

I think the bottom line is when you hear these radical leftists and these Democrats start screaming and yelling at the top of their voice about some alleged felony that somebody's committed, then you should, you understand where it's coming from.

It's just a projectionist that they're guilty of.

It is the standard operating procedure of the left.

I think it's I think it is.

So go after Donald Trump for his tax records, and you can assume that Hunter and Joe and the brother didn't pay taxes, fully pay taxes and all that money that they

might see.

Impeach Donald Trump for a phone call on the allegations that he was trying to gain political traction for himself by delaying aid to Ukraine and that impaired national security.

And just assume that that's exactly what Hillary Clinton did

when she sent Bill over to get $500,000 and I think it was $3 million to her foundation and more money to PACS so that she could oversee the sale of uranium-1 to Russian connected interest as preparation for her presidential and or or most importantly, what Joe Biden is doing right now by essentially going to the Saudis and threatening them and threatening our relationship with them unless they agreed to pump an extra 2 million barrels below before the election, or trying to take 40% out of the strategic petroleum reserve designed for natural disaster protection and drain it for his own selfish

agenda in the midterms.

So So that's how they operate.

Everybody should understand that.

Anytime they make an accusation, a shrill,

angry, loud accusation, you can be sure that they've done that themselves.

Well, Victor, that is all the time we have

today, but for the usual at the end of the show, where we are

truly grateful.

to our listeners for listening and communicating with us.

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Some people leave comments.

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And

there are two I'd like to share here at the end of the show, Victor.

One is

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BDH is a wealth of knowledge and wisdom.

I'm an American history teacher to junior high students in a parochial school, and I first learned about Victor Davis Hansen years ago when he was a guest on the Dennis Prager show.

Since that time, BDH has been one of my very favorite people to learn from.

I am also appreciative of Victor's ability to connect ancient history with our present time.

If I ever had the good fortune to meet Victor, I would thank him for his important contributions to education and for being a wise and humble voice in our country.

And that's from Cindy.

Cindy, you write me separately.

I'll send you Victor's address.

You can go knock on the door.

And

then

we have another one from Alt Mom

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titled BDH is My Favorite.

And this is really sweet, I think.

My late dad praised his writing.

And what a gift that commendation has been to me as I raise and educate my six children.

He's a great observer of human nature, too.

Thank you, BDH, for representing your beautiful and sadly mismanaged state of California so well.

Hey, did you see that, by the way, Victor?

That's Carrie Lake-like, less we can't be like Carrie Lake.

Yes, I did.

I did.

Yeah.

Maybe we'll see.

That was a shot at Gavin Newsome.

Yeah, yeah, we should talk about that.

Yeah, we have to.

We have to talk for five or six minutes about Gavin Newsome.

Well,

that buffoon.

Yeah, well, all the damage he's done.

I'm just looking out the window at my street that I have not been able to drive on for three years

because

four miles from here, it's interrupted by Stonehenge.

Yeah.

It's shut down.

We've spent $15 billion.

We haven't laid one foot of track.

And then yesterday, driving...

Boondogalis interruptus, I think.

You get on the 99 freeway, the main lateral from

Northern California all the way to the grapevine.

And then all of a sudden you get near Delano and for the next 30 miles to Visalia.

It's back in the 1950s.

But the traffic

is 2022.

And remember, when you've got 40 million people and 27% of them were not born in the United States,

and you have a transportation system designed for about 1955, you have all the ingredients for what is now California's transportation nightmare.

So everything about it is sad.

I was talking to a lot of people at Claremont.

That was on everybody's mind at the Claremont Institute last night, night before last in

Los Angeles.

And it was very sad to hear all of these people in their 60s and 70s who had worked so hard to make this beautiful place in Southern California and just to see it simply destroyed.

I'm thinking I maybe should follow others and go to Texas or Florida.

I mean, why should people leave where they're from?

You know, and

I have a feeling of people being forced to do that.

I don't think I'm, I was got to that point.

Why should I leave?

I didn't do it.

Why don't they change?

Why doesn't people, why don't people change?

And it's very easy.

You know the answers how this goes.

Just enforce the laws on the books.

and cut taxes and cut all these crazy entitlements and don't you know fire all these administrators in the public universities and high schools that aren't doing anything

and then clamp down on antitrust laws and the monopolies on Silicon Valley and produce and then invest in infrastructure.

Just use the state.

We used to have 7% Medi-Cal.

Now it's about half the budget.

And just

dams and aqueducts and free.

Hansen for governor.

I'm going to make the bumper stickers.

Gary Elder would have been a good governor.

He had all the answers.

He had good people around him.

And what they did to him was criminal.

They called him a white supremacist they yeah a leftist uh dressed up in a monkey uniform yeah and uh it was just terrible he's a good man i really like like i always i like him a great deal i used to years ago and i i did his radio show and i always liked him

hey

let me recommend then because we have to and maybe you sammy and uh and you victor when you record talk about because newsom is also

we're recording

i'm sorry i feel like a broken record recording before Election Day, but Newsom,

most prominent of Democrats

in the nation, saying, my God, we suck at messaging.

We've blown this.

I don't think he says we've blown it.

Yeah, but that was just an opportunistic.

I'm going to

take opponents because I'm the.

I know.

Save it for Sammy.

Because he says the same thing that they do.

Well, anyway, Victor.

He's not going to go campaign and said,

we gave you a great inflation policy, and that energy thing is a winner.

And boy, look at that border.

Gosh.

Yes, he's full of it.

We'll end it at that point.

So, Victor, you've been terrific.

Thanks so much.

Thanks, everyone, for listening.

Appreciate it.

We'll be back again soon with another episode of the Victor Davis-Hanson Show.

Bye-bye.

Thanks, everybody, for listening.