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So, Victor, I think most of the nation knows the story now about this sucker punch in the Bronx of Bui Boy Van Fu,

a long time 30 plus year pervert criminal.

I think he was first arrested in 1994 for raping a woman, teenage woman in the Bronx, sent to prison.

But he's a guy that 30 years later, he's been arrested numerous times over his life, just for no reason at all, stepped out of a place he was working at, saw this man on the street talking to others, came up behind him, punched him behind the head.

Guy's still in a coma in a hospital.

He was arrested,

was let out by the Bronx DA for misdemeanor charges.

And then the governor of New York, who had pressed for the legislation and now law that allows this kind of insanity to happen, she immediately rose to the occasion and ordered the DA's office to rearrest him.

And this, this character has been rearrested.

But the fact, Victor, that these kind of crimes are happening, I have to say, in my own life, you know, for myself,

you can tell by my accent, as I've said before, I'm from the Bronx.

My nephew and godson is

a cop in that precinct where this crime happened.

My family grew up a block away from this, so there's some kind of emotional

geographical ties to the scene, but this is terrible.

It's not just

something that's happening in the Bronx, New York.

Again, I'm sure many of our listeners saw these videos of this pillaging of a 7-Eleven store in

Los Angeles.

We've seen this is, of course, nothing compared to the kind of riots that were destroying American cities two years ago.

Victor, it's madness, and it is a society that whose leaders, whose elected leaders are dubious about the law and protection of the citizenry.

My ramble is over, Victor.

Your thoughts.

We have all of our own nightmarish

videos that are impressed on our brains.

Mine is the poor Asian woman.

You remember her that was kicked by four teenagers, and then she tries to get up and get get to a door and open the door and close it behind her and not satisfied with that then they go after her and try to kick her and kill her right right or this after the ugandan was he from uganda or ghana maybe the cab driver the cabby was killed in new york

he was running after the people who didn't pay their fare i think it was two girls three girls and two guys uh who of course was a criminal the kid you know 10 times had been arrested 10 times already and he tries to fight them, and then he's knocked down.

And so the thing should be over.

And then they come over there and not happy with that, hit him again and kill him.

So the question I have when I see all these is,

what is the attitude about all the three

parties involved?

Let's start out with the victim.

The victim knows that,

unfortunately, as a cab driver or the Asian woman, and everybody listening, that if you are violently attacked in America,

nothing's going to happen necessarily to your assailant.

And there might, what will get you in the news is fighting back.

And if you shoot somebody, you may be under suspicion or you may be charged.

So my point is that we feel, we, the nation of victims, that our life isn't worth anything.

So what I feel is that if if I were to get in my car today and go into one of the worst places, which is about two miles away from here, and just, I don't know, walk along there.

And if I was shot and killed, no one would care.

And the assailant would probably not be fully prosecuted.

That's what I believe.

And I think they do.

So the question is, how long will the civilization allow that?

And we don't want vigilanteism.

And everybody talks about being armed and caring, but the number in all of these cases that you see,

and I can rattle off 10 or 15 the last three weeks.

No, none of the victims had a gun.

That one that was particularly strange, Jack, is the robbery of those people.

Was that in the Queens as well, where they were just sitting there?

And these two robbers came up as people were dining.

I think, and they just got off a motorcycle.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm, I think it may have been Queens, may have been Manhattan, but yeah, just

brazen is the one.

And they know that they knew probably two things that the attackers had prior records.

They were out.

What I guess I'm saying is that so the victim, it's just a cauldron.

And at some point, and because the majority, not all, but I think the majority tend to be inner city victims.

So when you were talking about that African-American guy, they hit that guy and he put on special gloves to hit him.

That guy was a Hispanic guy that was knocked out.

So the man that was killed was an African, not an African-American, but now maybe he is African-American.

He's a citizen.

The man from Ghana, I think he is.

I don't think they would want to be considered that.

Yeah.

But my point is that

it's not a racial thing as far as the victims are concerned.

And they're getting angry.

And I don't know how that

manifests itself.

Maybe in San Francisco, it was the recall of Budin and and Gascon, where suddenly California believes in voter integrity and wipes out 25% of the signatures to recall Gascon.

But there will be a third and a fourth and fifth time until the miscreant is taken out of office.

So that's the first thing.

The victims, this can't go on because civilization won't last.

And when people look at this, Jack, from other countries, they don't want to hear any more lectures on the United States on race

or

woke or getting along or we're a model.

We're not a model to anybody.

I can go to place most cities in the world, maybe not Mexico City or maybe not, I don't know, Nairobi, but most cities are safer than the Bronx and the Queens and Queen and San Francisco.

So we don't have no, we've lost all moral authority on this issue of protecting the lives of the innocent.

So then we go to the society at large.

Who did this?

Who allowed these people to go out?

And that's, where does it start?

It starts in the university with critical legal theory, critical race theory, critical this theory, critical that theory.

And they all have one thing in common, that laws don't reflect natural nature of man, but they're constructs.

So as I said earlier, It's against the law to steal a Snickers bar because white men don't steal Snicker bars, so to speak.

But it's against the law because

thousands of years of civilization say if you go into a store and take something that's not yours and you're not punished, you will take and take and other people will take and there will be no store to help other people find goods.

So they're unwinding civilization and they're all doing it.

from purchas where they feel they're not subject to the consequences of their own ideology.

And so they created this system, very wealthy, and I'll be frank about it, very wealthy white people living on the two coast and having careers or associations with academics and the media.

They did it.

And they feel, I guess, the catalyst for all this was their guilt.

They feel that criminals were treated terribly by society and society has to give them a number of chances.

And the more chances they give the criminal, the more they'll finally wake up and say, you know,

all of that magnanimity that society shows me, I want to reciprocate in kind and be nice to people rather than these suckers let me out again to prey on the weak.

So I'm really going to pray on the weak next time.

So they have a different view that human nature is malleable,

it can be improved by greater education, nutrition, brain video.

I don't know what they think.

Well, I think

you're being kind, Victor, because I think there is a

racial payback as a

well, I'm going to get to that.

So the third group are the assailants.

And

while we were talking, it took one nanosecond because I hadn't

tried to prep, because I didn't know what we were going to talk about.

The DOJ's Office of Justice Programs has released the latest statistics and it's two years old, Jack.

So crime has gone up.

We know that in 2021 and probably in 2022.

And of all offenses, violent offenses, they list 7,600,000.

Okay.

And then they break it down by: here's murders.

There were 12,400 murders in the United States.

5,600 of them were committed by what they called whites.

That's about 67%, 70% of the population.

6380,

that is 6,380 were committed by African-Americans.

And I think we could be fair and saying African-American males,

because I don't think a lot of African-American women are murdering very people.

So just for the purposes of generalization, and we're not supposed to talk about this.

But what I'm suggesting to our listeners is we have a problem

that when you have 6,380 murders and the African-American male population is about five and a half to six percent and they are committing most

looks to me about

like 55 percent of all the murders in the United States are being committed in 2020 by about 6% of the population.

So if you were to address that percentage of the population and you would say,

well, human nature is flawed.

So who's the majority population?

Well, it's the white population and they are 70% of the population and they committed half the murder, 56, 80.

So we want the African-American population to commit about the same percentage versus their percentage in the population.

So then...

that would be probably of 12,000.

That would be about 1,200 or less.

And that would mean there'd be 5,000 people alive right now if African-American males just committed murder at the rates of their representation in the general population.

And those,

because about 92% of their victims are other African-Americans, mostly males, that would be 5,000 African-American males would be alive.

So we don't talk about that.

And why don't we talk about that?

And we don't talk about that because

the white liberal establishment feels that given the history of racism in the United States and the relatively recent,

oh,

let's just say 50 years of the civil rights movement and affirmative action, that

we have not yet

compensated.

duly for our grandparents and great-grandparents' sins, and therefore we have to excuse violent acts.

That would be one explanation, and they're not antithetical.

Another would be that

the African-American community's leadership, an Al Sharpton, a Louis Farrakhan,

the squad, some member, Presley, whatever,

young Omar now.

They feel that

that inordinate proportion of African-American males that are preying on mostly other people of color, but also people of different races, that somehow that

affect society in a way that people want redress.

And the redress in this cycle is not more incarceration or indictments, apparently among our elite, but more programs.

For Bill Clinton, it was midnight basketball.

Remember that?

And for others, it is more social,

the $20 trillion of the great society of poverty.

And who are the beneficiaries of that?

And I'll tell you what I mean more specifically if people say, well, Victor, you're being wishy-washy.

Okay.

We had the George Floyd matter, and then the whole country erupted with this idea that the police were just rampantly killing, even though the Washington Post showed us that of all the people being arrested, arrested,

not represented in the general population, but being arrested, African Americans were not killed unarmed by policemen any more than other groups.

Okay.

Nevertheless, we wanted to do something.

What do we do about that?

Well, for the inner city person who was the victim of this crime wave or this

and also the targets as a member of a race that we wanted to have atonement for and repertory, he got nothing.

He got a deflunded police.

In other words, we feel so bad about George Floyd.

We're going to take away the police and allow this 6% of the population who's committing 50 to 55% of the murders to prey on you,

your next door neighbor.

And then we said to the elite,

the children of the high school principal, the children of the ophthalmologist, the children of the investment banker.

If you're not white, you're going to get a greater share of college admissions and hiring.

That's what we're going to do as pious white liberals.

And that's what they did.

And so in a weird, I'm not saying it's preordained, but if you look at the mechanism that's happening, and people far smarter than myself have pointed this out in voluminous literature, that

the crime of the underclass, predatory African-American male somehow gets transmogrified into a social reaction to it that says the causes that why people are murdering people must be social economic and they must be us, the guilty American citizen.

And to redress that, we want to help and give reparatory aid to people.

And that can consist of we're not going to use the SAT anymore.

We're not going to look at GPA.

We're going to have a quota.

Okay.

And that's how it works.

And that is is one of the reasons why

if

an African-American unarmed suspect is shot by a police, tomorrow you will see a press conference of African-American leaders like Al Sharpton.

But you won't see, and you saw, I think it was at that Philadelphia theme park.

That's where everything jumped the shark, as far as I'm concerned this year, Jack, is when that person

was, was it Rosa Linda or something, that PBS stuffed animal character walked by and you could see all the distractions and a poor African-American little girl reached her hand out and then the person in the costume passed by.

Right.

Well,

I can remember being a youth in costumes.

You have very little peripheral vision.

But whatever it is, that was, and then all of these civil rights attorneys sued the costume person, I guess, in the park for $25 million.

And also Legoland is now Legoland, yes.

So that tells it all.

When that gets a $25 million lawsuit, and all of these people are being slaughtered and killed, and none of those people show up and say,

we've got to do something.

African-American young men

inordinately are committing crimes at about five times their percentage in the, oh, if you take males and not everybody, 6% are committing 50%,

eight times more, eight to nine times more than their percentage in the population.

And the victims are mostly people.

And we want to help a little girl who was inordinately or indifferently or accidentally,

you know, neglected by a stuffed animal character, but this is life and death.

And they're not going to do that.

And then the question arises, why don't they do it?

And the answer is, if you were to do that, people would say, ah,

so members of the African-American community are trying to address

pathologies among a subset of the population,

and that would suggest that there is culpability among that subset of the population that transcends what society did to them or what society can do for them.

And that's where no one wants to go because if you do that, it is like plugging a 110 plug into a 220 outlet.

It'll just melt the whole damn thing down.

Isn't that where we are?

They do not want to do that because suddenly, all of a sudden, it would jolt the entire society and a dean at Yale would say, you know what?

If I let in 15%

African-American students and according to traditional criteria of scores and tests,

maybe only 12%

were should have been admitted.

That's not going to do anything for this problem.

It has nothing to do with this problem.

This is not, this is a different problem.

And so then finally, my final, well, what is the problem?

Well, the problem is,

I'm just taking a cue from Robert Woodson, Shelby Steele, Tom Sowell, people who know the problem far better than I do, but I've read what they've written.

It's number one, that whereas most other

demographics, I think whites, are 26%,

That's a shocking number in itself of families without a father.

The African-American community is over 70%,

three times higher proportionally.

Poverty is one thing, but poverty is caused often

by a father not being around, the main breadwinner not being around.

And then secondly, the popular culture doesn't glorify fathers being there.

If you look at NBA stars, how many of the NBA stars give lectures about either staying married to the people that are staying married, or if they're not staying married, supporting all of their children?

And being, I don't mean financially, I mean being there.

None of them do.

None of them do.

And then when you look at the popular music, what do you hear?

Do you hear obey the laws and respect the police?

No.

You hear Lamar James at the White House being...

googled and giddied and gushed over by the Obamas as their favorite rapper.

And then you listen to one of his kill the Popo police.

You know, so rap music stock and trade is not just misogyny and violence against women, but talk, open talk about killing police and then the n-word using that word.

That's nothing we're not supposed to talk about.

But when you have an entire genre that refers to other people in deprecatory ways, it would be as if country western music right now, every single,

you know, popular ballad said, cracker,

trash, cracker, trash, cracker.

And then when other people said, oh, wow, that, and then they would start to reflect that.

And so no one says of that multi-multi-billion dollar industry, don't use that word.

Don't talk about violence toward the police.

Don't refer to women as bitches and whores, because every time you do that, you dehumanize human life and all of its manifestations, whether it's gender or persons of authority or yourselves.

Don't do that.

And I don't think that's going to happen.

I don't think that anybody is going, and it can't come from the white community.

It can't come from the white elite community because we know the white academic, media, political, wealthy, elite, and white community has caused the problem or helped cause it.

So the result is that, how's it all filtered down in conclusion?

Don't go to certain places.

Professor, you know, we had, I got in big trouble with Todd Nahese Coach.

Remember him?

I do.

Yes.

Letters are advice.

And he gave this thing about what your son should be doing, right?

Avoid this place.

And he had good grounds.

I have no problem with that.

There was institutional racism.

I get that.

But my problem with that article

became part of a book was:

do you really believe statistically that the police who shot about 25 African-American unarmed people is the problem right now, as far as the thousands of African-Americans who are killed?

And if you do believe that and you want to warn your son about the police,

would you also warn your son where it's far more, 90% more likely to be shot?

And then I said to myself, if you're going to stereotype people like that,

then

do other people give lectures?

And I wrote it, it was for National Review.

I said, and I said, you know, my father, we were from a rural family.

There were one or two African-American families in our immediate neighborhood.

We were good friends of them.

I've written about one family who was a master Ford mechanic and went to school with all his children.

His wife's children, they were wonderful people, some of my best friends, so to speak, in stereotype fashion.

However,

my father said to me, now you're going up to the Bay Area to school.

And you better be careful if you walk over there to East Palo Alto.

And you better be careful if you go to Oakland.

And then

no sooner had he written that, my mother, he took her up to a conference.

He got out of the car.

Four African-American men confronted him with my mother.

And

he said, if I give you each, I think it was $5 at the long time, would you just leave my wife and I alone?

He was a big guy.

He was perfectly willing to confront them.

And they took the money, which was a polite robbery.

And then he left.

And then when he came back, he said, Do you remember what I said?

Well, I didn't remember because I rented an apartment in East Palo Alto when I was a graduate student.

And I can tell you that one of the first things I remember is a hand coming through the door at night,

my roommate and i taking a bat and trying to defend her off right then the next day going to the local market and seeing somebody with his hand wrapped up in a bandage justice

threw a bottle of beer full bottle of ice cold beer right at my head oh and then i can remember the next week driving my bicycle in this is my inaugural riding my bicycle down University Avenue, starting in East Palo Alto and having a group of people drive by in a pickup, jump off and try to take my bicycle with me on it.

And I was like some kind of jellyfish or octopus.

I was holding it.

I was getting hit and trying to run off with it.

And then two years later, my wife and I, she worked at a mental hospital and seen a mental patient

on the street.

And she said to me, they were making fun of him and there was an inner city gang that was pushing him.

And then me intervening, there happened to be another person with me, a male, three of us, and we intervened and were able to stop their attack on a mental patient.

But my point is that if you're going to stereotype people and say that, then there is also a lecture for people.

And this is where we get into this endless cycle of generalization.

But a lot of people say, I'm not going to the Queens.

I'm not doing this.

And the people who are saying that, Jack, are people that are not living in Fresno County.

They're living in Atherton.

They're living in Menlo Park.

They're living in Woodside.

And they say to themselves, I will not go down into East Palo Alto at a certain time.

I will not go into the Queen.

If I'm on the Upper West Side, I will not go into Queens

or other places like that at certain times or at all.

And maybe even not in my own neighborhood now.

When that happens,

you'll get action, but we're getting close to that.

Yeah,

my aforementioned nephew, Godson the Cop, says that one of the safest areas in the Bronx was called Little Italy.

And when the Bronx, when New York had the blackout and riots in 76, that was a safe neighborhood.

Nobody went there.

Is it still safe there?

No, because he says now, do not go there.

Don't go there to get your mozzarelle or whatever.

Just, you know, don't go there.

Well, see, when they say don't go there and don't do that, so what is a, I'm curious, what does an Upper West Side or Park Avenue New Yorker

mean when he says don't go above 128th Street or something after six o'clock?

What do they mean by that?

You know, it means that if you go up there, you're probably going to get mugged.

That's what they're saying.

And they're saying taking your life into your hands, not safe.

Yeah.

And that would be a wealthy white person, a wealthy Asian person, and a wealthy African-American person.

Or it might be

a guy from the outer boroughs who would say, you know, the same thing.

See, they don't say that though that but that's what they're saying right and everybody knows it but then i'm going to get a lot of calls about this you know probably from stanford people about talking about it what in the way that is reality and so what i'm i'm saying trying to say is it's all based on the theory of exemption so the upper west side person or the wealthy person in knob hill who dreams up and supports this lax criminal policy or feels terrible, but they themselves have internalized a whole code of conduct to protect themselves.

They don't want to be around, or I'm going to quote Jesse Jackson, they feel relieved when the person walking behind them is not an African-American male.

And that's terrible because if you look at, I mean,

still, statistically, the number of African-American males who are attacking people is a small portion of the African-American community.

But of the people who attack people, it's 55%.

And so people have made the necessary adjustments.

And we're never going to get talk about, we're never going to get it to a solution unless people talk about this.

And

nobody will touch it.

Nobody, we keep saying, oh, crime is spiked.

Well, this is this.

And then you say, when you look at the DOJ statistics to the degree they're candid, and you look at Asians, Latinos, and

they are listing it by race, probably probably because they want to look at the victims more than the assault, the assailants.

But

they're listing it, and then you draw the necessary conclusion, oh my God,

a small percentage.

We wouldn't eliminate crime, but if we just got each group represented, like Asians are underrepresented.

And then when we look at hate crime, it's double.

Can I, though, can I just interject about this particular case with the sucker puncher, right?

Yes.

So I went on the sex.

he was first arrested, I said before, 30 years ago for raping a woman in the Bronx and got six years to life and got out and committed many other crimes.

But he's on the sex offender registry.

So I went to look at.

Now, you said, you said that this black guy, because you look at his pictures and you think that he looks like a black guy.

Well, if you, okay, his name is is is uh uh Van Phu Boy.

It doesn't say where he was born, but it implies with his, if you saw that name and to see a picture, you'd think this guy's from Vietnam.

Maybe he was born in Vietnam.

Maybe he's the son of a, you know, a black American soldier over there.

There's no, there's nothing on this information page about where he was born, but they call his race

Asian and his ethnicity.

This is so freaking weird, not Hispanic.

That's his ethnicity on the official New York page.

So it's,

I mean, I jack this in my job, not to say the reality.

This is a black man.

I'm a recipient because I'm associated as an emeritus professor and an active

senior fellow at two universities.

So I get a mandatory Cleary Act warning.

Cleary Act, remember, was a young girl that was murdered.

And then her parents sued because the university didn't tell her exactly the crime situation in the general vicinity of that campus.

In reaction to that, every university is mandated by law periodically to report to, I guess it's the Department of Education or Justice or both, the crime rate in that general area and break it down in that general area.

And

when there is a crime committed, they are to notify the university community the nature of the crime and the full description of the suspect.

And I can tell you

that after the George Floyd death,

the

exactness or the detail of those descriptions vanished.

So now it'll say suspect description unknown or male suspect, but they will not, and to the same degree they did before,

list the race or they will have a rejoinder at the bottom that says this is basically

I'm not being I don't want to be quoted but the bottom will say we were doing this because of the cleriac meaning we don't want to give you any description but we have to because it's a law and my point is when i read these things when it says a woman on one of the campuses i'm associated was raped and another one you know there's catalytic converters stolen things like that but when they don't do that and they have a description or they know the description or they think they do they're basically saying,

on the one hand, if we were to give you a description, even though we're required to by law, we would

risk inflaming this particular community who would get angry and start to, you know, maybe fire some of us versus the general community.

You can take one for the team.

We don't really care about you.

We're not going to give you the description of this particular assailant, even though he may be empowered by that silence on our part.

And that's a pretty heavy charge to make, but I've noticed it.

I notice it everywhere.

I notice it everywhere.

I notice it in the media.

I notice it on television.

That people,

if you have an assailant and that assailant is a white male, then you're going to put that description.

I'm glad they do, by the way.

I want both for purposes of shame and purposes of personal protection.

But if the person is a person of a protected minority class, there's a lot much greater odds that that will not be.

I don't know.

I'm trying to find out the liberal mind because I just saw a statistic that about 55%

of television commercials now have African Americans in them, which are 12% of the population.

And is the theory that after George Floyd, the more people that are visible as successful in these commercials, and you know, I'm just, there's no statistical evidence, but it does seem that the African American is the wizened authority in the commercial.

So somebody's doing something stupid, eating too much, and then he, it's sort of the reversal of the old racist stereotype where the white guy was,

which is, you know, and you have kind of a step-and-fetch it white person now that we're in these commercials.

And,

you know, we have this horrific racism of our past and then this subtle sort of racialism, not racism, but racialism in the sense that if we overrepresent this demographic, that's doing our part for positive imagery.

And then children growing up in that community will have positive imagery for a change where African Americans are confident, full of authority, and can counsel less successful whites.

And therefore, there will be less propensity to commit these violent crimes at four or five times a percent of the population.

But it's a flawed premise because

you'd be much easier just having a national education campaign about the value of the nuclear family and the importance of a male and the importance not to provoke a person of authority like a policeman and the idea that you don't take a human life and don't.

carry an unlicensed gun, etc., etc.

And we're not going to do that because to do that would be to violate the progressive credo yeah i mean you look at the poverty rates of uh of uh black married couples families versus non-married it's it's uh it's factors multiple factors so i never you know i never talk about that i never understood this i was an 18-year-old guy who had the misfortune of going to uc santa cruz because my parents God bless them, thought that that was 170 miles away, the closest UC, University University of California campus.

It was brand new.

My two brothers and I, we could all go there and save money by renting a place.

There was no tuition at that time.

Okay.

So I get there and I'm there the first month.

There were co-ed dorms where, you know, you had one part of the hallway and then women right next to you had the other part.

And a woman walked down, I shouldn't say a woman, a girl about 19, and she said, oh.

My purse has been stolen.

And there were all sorts of people coming into those dorms.

I mean, you didn't judge people.

It was pre-homeless, but there was homeless.

There was everything in those dorms.

I mean, every Petronian excess you can imagine.

And this woman, I said, well, how much did you lose?

She said, $20 was in my, that was a lot in 1971.

I said, wow.

And I said, well, did you call the police or did you see anybody?

Let me know.

I can see if I can help.

Oh, no, I have it.

And they don't or they wouldn't have taken it.

I said, well, what if they had more than you and they still took it?

I said, you think people that shouldn't eat ice cream don't eat ice cream?

They eat more ice cream than people that

could.

And she said, well, I don't believe that.

Well, then I said, well, why don't you go get another $40 and put it in your purse and put your purse outside the door?

But my point was, that was my first experience with, and the more I talked to her, the more she was explaining the whole ideology of reparation.

And that's what, that was basically the idea that my grandparents or my parents had been racist to the society, and my generation is fighting racism.

And then we're going to take a hit for the team and not indulge in that.

And I don't know who took, but she felt that the person who took her money, there were a lot of people in the dorms that day, deserved the money because of society's injustices to him or his demographic.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Victor, if I we should move on, and I don't want to get the last word unless you want it, but I just want to say the

concentrated talk here about race and crime to me comes down to

we don't have unless we have the equal application of the law that's race blind,

we

are entering

approaching the abyss of

of

civilized destruction of our civilization.

And that you brought up a, you made a a point earlier based on statistics and the fact is when there was in new york city alone rigorous law enforcement the kind that bloomberg when he was mayor after juliani m bloomberg

brought sanity back to new york there was is very calculable uh given the what the murder rate was uh before the what they call the broken windows theory was first implemented and there are

scores of thousands, 60, 70, and as every year goes on, more

people alive today who are disproportionately black and Hispanic because of law enforcement.

They would have been murdered minus this.

And this is a good thing that they are alive today, that Black people are alive today because of justice.

And how this has gotten lost on our society in general and the madness of the last few few years is one of the more bewildering and troubling

things.

And to go back to those

terrible days, and this can get much worse.

I've said this before on this podcast.

It has been much worse and it's approaching there.

This is not somewhere we want to go.

I think people should, you know, I'll just finish the conversation.

We were talking about

people that don't want to contribute.

When I was mentioning DOJ statistics, statistics, I think it's something like 3,000 law enforcement agencies, Jack, they don't send data in.

It's like 15% because of what we're talking about.

In other words, when they look at the data and they think, wow, this is inordinately race-based.

We're not going to contribute to stereotypes, so we're not going to send the DOJ or the FBI or crime lab because to do it would be unfair.

So they're willing to tell their own local communities that we're not going to participate in information that might be of your value to stay alive.

And the thing about it was, if you look at the last decade, we're seeing that the percentage of victims who are black, they've gone up three or four percent.

And the assailants that are black have gone up three or four percent.

And the white assailant and the white victim has gone down by the same token.

It's a big argument.

I understand people are listening.

You hear people say African-American population is 12, 12.5, 13.1, 13.8, 14.2.

I heard all of them.

But when you get up to, you know, 33%

of all violent crime, and I think it's 55, I think I said 53, but it's more like 55% of all homicide victims.

I'm talking about victims.

That 33% of all crime victims and 55% of all people who were murdered are African-American, and the statistics of the assailant is even higher.

Then, when you say crime in America, at least violent crime, I'm not talking about stock theft and insurance fraud and all these other horrific crimes, and they are horrific.

Then we should be concentrating on the bang for the buck, how we can address this,

rather than to suggest that even to talk about it is somehow racist.

And so I don't have any solutions other than honesty.

And that's right.

We should just tell the truth and then let people deal with the reality.

Right.

Absolutely.

Because people do deal with reality.

They just don't talk about it.

Well, they do it about it.

We should either do it as a society and officially or keep outsourcing it to the individual and unofficially.

Right.

Because that's always dangerous.

When the society is incapable, it's the same thing with the border.

If you don't want to talk about illegal immigration and the social dislocation, disequilibrium that it causes and the greater propensity of all sorts of social pathologies when people, you know, come across the border illegally versus legally,

then

it's going to get worse and worse.

It creates cynicism.

And there was an article, you mentioned the Wall Street Journal.

There was an article on, I think it was Holman Jenkins, who's a pretty sober and judicious guy, and he was talking about lies.

I saw him last night yeah he is lies lie and he said you know the the whole all the world's going to end climate change lie and all these other lies and he was critical of trump but when you get the impression that the society is lying to you on basic fundamental issues you know, basic fundamental issues, when Merrick Garland gets up there and says the FBI is a group of professionals and I'm going to do, and this raid had nothing to do with Paul.

And you know he's lying or you know people will not mention these lies of omission, then it creates, you know, I wrote an article a long time ago called Empire of Lies.

And I just got up one day and I said, you know, these people just lie continuously to you.

And I was, I was that way in academia.

I just felt that.

Every dean that I talked to, every provost I talked to, it was just all lies.

It didn't reflect reality.

And then I was supposed to go in there and lie too.

You know what I mean?

When I looked at it, I was the head of a tenure committee and I was supposed to say, well, this, this, this, but you just had to lie.

In fact, I couldn't do it anymore.

Well, we've been, as a society, as you just alluded to, we've been drowning in lies, including from the CDC.

And let's, maybe we should, we should, we've gone pretty long so far in this show, but let's try and have just one more subject and we'll talk about the CEC's weirdo quasi denial, not denial, or

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Backing a little into your previous discussion,

Mountain View, California, right, is not too far, I think, from where you bash somebody's arm sticking through a window or back when you were in college.

There's a story out, and we'll really talk about the CDC, but a four-year-old girl or boy, I forget, actually, was taken away from school.

School started already in Mountain View, which is right next to Palo Alto, because the kid didn't want to wear a mask.

And I was kind of shocked, like, are you came?

Are they still freaking wearing masks in some schools?

This is insane.

Even here in Milford, Connecticut, they dropped this crap.

But it's still going on and it's still insane.

And why?

Why is this even happening?

Where did all this mask wisdom come from?

Well, it came from the CDC, Centers for Disease Control, which how it got the authority to make these

pronouncements that totally overturned Americans' lives and destroyed Americans' lives and got Americans, lost their jobs because their company, you know, genucked it to the CDC's made-up

recommendations at the time and people didn't file, they didn't get the shots, lost their job, et cetera, et cetera.

You know, there's just so much

disaster has come from this one little,

maybe it's not little, it was one powerful

federal agency, which this week kind of admitted, Victor, right?

Maybe we didn't message this right.

I don't sense any like we effed up.

But if they effed up, they effed up because

they just didn't convey the wisdom, their wisdom, all that correctly.

So Victor, enough of my babbling here.

Your thoughts about

treating people like adults.

So one reason people are confused about masks

they have been brought up that when you're in a group of people and you sneeze, you cover your face or your mouth, you put your hand over it, or when you blow your nose, you get out a hanky, right?

Okay.

And they know when they go to a restaurant and there's a salad bar, what do they call those salad, you know, those plexiglass things that get older.

Sneeze guards.

Yes.

And that's the sneeze guard.

They understand that.

So when this deadly epidemic came out, and for 2% of the population or 1%, it is deadly.

That was a natural thing.

So people were conducive to that.

But when they went the next step and said, mask, i.e., generic mask, you can make a mask.

You can buy a cheap knockoff mask.

You can do this.

I bought a mask.

You know, I didn't have a mask wear and I had to buy it at a place.

And literally, it fell apart the moment I put it on.

And I've seen people on, I've seen filthy, dirty cloth masks on planes.

Okay, they don't do any of that, they just say mask or no mask.

So people started to get cynical.

And then when you had Anthony Fauci, he said, We're not going to have a mask.

He said that the initial of the outbreak, it doesn't have any utility or scientific support.

And then, well, one mask.

And then he was later asked for two.

Well, why not?

And then when you see Joe Biden take a mask off right after he's had COVID and cough, so they didn't give us any information.

What if they just said this, Jack?

I am Anthony Fauci

in April of 2020.

And I'm just doing this ad hoc, so bear with me, listeners.

I am Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergies, Infectious Diseases.

The question has come up, should we all wear masks in public?

It's a difficult question because the science is is ambiguous.

We brought up with the idea that a mask would stop particles from emanating that have infectious material.

Okay.

But all masks are not equal.

And I know that we cannot get all N95 masks to everybody, but an N95 mask has some utility.

So if you have one or you have access to one, please wear it in public when you go out in public.

If you don't have one and you're ill, or you think that someone is ill, you're welcome to wear it if you like.

It may or may not.

We don't have the science protect you.

What if you just said that?

I don't think we'd have any of this problem.

And he could, and then when he had a press conference and people said, well, what's the data?

And he said, well, Sweden is under an experiment right now, and they are not social distancing or masking.

And other Scandinavian countries are like Denmark

or Norway have a different idea and we're going to watch very carefully various ingredients to this paradox.

Number one, we're going to see what the per capita hospitalization rate, infectious case rate, death rate is and then number two,

we're going to look at the relatively relative GDP,

suicide, spousal abuse, any incidence and rise in cancer, cardiac problems to see about the damage that a lockdown would do and a staying in place, et cetera.

And then we're going to correlate in a cost-benefit analysis and then give recommendations to you.

Recommendations, not mandate.

Had they done that, we wouldn't have been in this situation because people are intelligent.

So I've been all during the epidemic, I flew places and I sat next to people who had, it was a mask mandate on a plane eventually.

And I tell you, Jack,

I could not believe what I saw.

I mean, I saw handkerchiefs.

I saw one guy.

I don't know what they were, but they were dirty.

They weren't doing anything.

And then I saw people who would pull it down over their chin because they were allowed to,

when they were eating, and they'd have a straw for like three hours.

Right.

And so my point was that.

The lingering sip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was no consistent policy.

and then it was passed off as quote unquote the science.

And anybody who objected in a very calm and rational manner, and I'm thinking of Jay Bacharia, a colleague at Stanford, and Scott Atlas, a good friend of mine, and they were caricatured.

They said, oh, they want us, they're super sweaters, or they believe in herd immunity, just letting everybody die, and then we'll get immunity.

No.

From the very beginning, they were the anti-Faucias.

They said, by all means, protect.

Scott even said that workers that were

in association or were assigned to take care of long-term patients in facilities should sort of stay there until the epidemic was over.

In other words, they would go on Monday and stay in a trailer or overnight so they wouldn't come and they could be locked down because their immune systems were so fragile.

But for children who, at least in the initial strains, had so much greater immunity.

He never said there's not a risk.

Neither did Jay.

They said, in a cost-benefit analysis, the damage that we are going to do to children by depriving them of school and social interaction and education versus

the threats to their health by contracting the coronavirus, it's a no-brainer.

And

the medicine is worse than the disease.

That's what they said.

And they were demonized.

Their careers were almost destroyed.

By,

if I may, they, so these, Scott and Jay and others, they're focusing on the science and they're demonized by the scientists who are really ideologues, their Stanford colleagues.

They decided Scott, because Scott was on Fox and he worked for Trump and he was high profile.

They wrote letters that he was almost culpable for death and they signed them and they wanted him.

out.

He's a tenured professor-dash fellow.

They wanted him out.

They just tried to destroy him.

They almost did.

And now when we look back at the entire epidemic and we go back, and I did this, Jack, because I want to interview him next week.

So I've been looking at things he said.

I read his book, et cetera.

And when I look back at it,

three or four months, and he wrote a lot of op-eds before he was hired by Trump.

So there's things there and things like the Hill.

You can go back and look at it.

And anyway, my point is

he said

that there is natural immunity when people are saying ah it's not much at all he said there's natural immunity he didn't know how long it would last

but he explained why that it wasn't just the spike propane but it was the totality of the virus that the immune system reacted to and he said that the vaccinations may end up like flu vaccinations that is that they would have to be given semi-annually for a rapidly mutating virus.

And everything, it was all logical.

It was always based on previous experience.

It was the scientific method.

And he said, by all means, get vaccinated.

He got vaccinated.

He got vaccinated.

He told people that.

He said, keep the schools open.

If you have a proper N95 mask and you're in a group of people, then by all means, wear it.

But do not shut down the economy.

Do not wear a mask in a car by yourself.

Do not wear some ad hoc cloth thing that you manufacture just just to look like you're any.

And for that,

the quote unquote science, the top scientist at Stanford University went after him.

They went after Michael Levette, they went after John Yannidis, they went after Jay Bachari, they went after Scott Atlas.

And I said to a very high-ranking administrator, we should be very proud at Stanford University.

We had four of the greatest epidemiologists, health policy experts, and immunologists and biologists in the world that were giving us a sound advice.

And

we, the Stanford community, demonized and tried to destroy them.

And so this mask, a four-year-old,

and I'm speaking as a grandfather, and I have two grandchildren that

got COVID.

One of them is severely disabled and has a lot of respiratory sinus problems because of the structural problems of Smith and McGinnis syndrome.

And she got over it.

And I'm speaking also as one who did wear a mask, who got the two Moderna shots, who followed all the mandates and got not only COVID, but long COVID, which I still have and I'm wiped out.

But I don't blame people sneezing on me or I don't blame policy that Everybody has a different immune system, a different history with infectious diseases, a different exposure to vival load.

And everybody as an adult can gauge the risk benefit.

For me, if I had not gone out to 10 different occasions with 500 people and shaking hands for eight or nine hours a day with receptions and books, all that stuff, yeah, you wouldn't.

But that's the same thing true for a much more important occupation like a frontline doctor.

or frontline nurse.

They could all avoid COVID if they just didn't get a big Bible load, but they didn't because they had, they had no choice.

They wanted to do something.

And so it became kind of a moral thing that if you got COVID, then you did something wrong or you didn't follow.

You know, I've had so many people say, Well, did you get the two Moderna shots?

Did you get the boosters?

Did you mask?

And as I said to one person,

The head of Pfizer just got two,

he's got COVID.

And Anthony Fauci got two shots, two boosters.

Paxlaboy, second dose, by the way, off the label, not CD approved of getting another round of Pax Laboy.

So,

you know, and I'm sure that it mitigated the symptoms and he's fine.

And Joe Biden, you know, with wearing his mask or whatever he was doing with all of his boosters, I don't know if he got two or three, but he got it.

And

he apparently is no worse off than he was before he got it, or we don't know.

He's in a basement in Delaware surrounded by

an emerging $500,000 fence.

I just don't understand why we should be fighting like this when the problem was in the Wuhan lab when we had, as we talked with Stephen Kuay.

Right.

This was an engineered, most likely an engineered virus that had mutability, infectiousness, and morbidity that were a little bit different than other natural occurring viruses.

And due to the laxity, et cetera, of a Chinese military control lab, this came out and no one is talking about it.

No one is saying,

can't we at least go to the Chinese and have them fess up and tell us exactly the type of research, the genetic sequence, everything about this virus

so that we can work with it instead of lying about it that some stupid pangolin 100 miles away or a bat.

it's never not one case so anyway i don't want to get off in that tangent but yeah i'm i i just don't understand how you go after

because just

never let a crisis go to waste yeah well that's part of it unleash the virtue signal that's what that's what the that's what it is that's and i i wrote an article called the bloomberg effect that was 10 years ago when you had that record snowstorm in New York.

And Mike Bloomberg, who's a good mayor, he just couldn't stop the snow from piling up on people's doorstep.

They couldn't remove it fast enough.

So he started talking about supersized drinks and the dangers of Coca-Cola or something for people who were obese or had high sugar counts.

And that's what we do in America.

When we can't address the felony, we fixate on the misdemeanor.

When you can't go after

the inner city,

multi-felon who's killing people and you're going to let him out and let him out, then you'll go after the guy who has a rolling stop at his intersection and then if you can't get the high-tech investment guy who doesn't pay any taxes because he's got an array of lawyers who convince us it's only capital gains not income then you go after the guy with a plumbing business and get him for having you know a car that

He took too much of a deduction on the engine rebuild or something.

Which is going to, which happens and will happen increasingly, as we know now.

Hey, Victor,

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It was really great your wisdom today, just

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In recent years, I've eaten what is called a vegan diet.

Many people I know have no idea of my preferences, and I'm not fond of those who project moral superiority from this sort of eating.

A lifelong student, as I was taught to be, I am a very conservative person.

I am a well-educated, independent business owner.

Jack's attitude is a result result of being ill-informed about vegetarianism.

Jack is a treasure for sure.

Thank you.

And he does a great job in dialogue with VDH, but I must ask him to reflect on this.

By the way, I made some good profits investing in Beyond Meat and then selling fast after achieving substantial gains.

Ed McGill, Ed, I'm sorry I mentioned that last thing because maybe one of the new 87,000 IRSAs you should listen to that.

Yeah, but I do want to say, okay, I appreciate your comments.

I'm not, I don't mock lifestyles.

What I do think was how we got into

beyond meat or vegan and vegetarianism, Victor, is

one of the wars on the climate change fronts is a war on, as we know, on water, to deprive people of water.

And that's to deprive people of

food, even by restricting nitrogen-based fertilizers.

And of course, there's a great effort to restrict ranchers and people who own cows and sheep and whatever.

Oh, they, you know, the animals fart and that creates methane, and that's destroying, you know, they're part of the climate change problem.

So there is a, there's a bit of a

more than a bit of a war on

meat.

God bless the vegetarians and the vegans.

Go forth and eat.

I think that's a good point, God.

One of my closest friends was John Heath.

He was the co-author with me of Who Killed Homer.

And when we wrote that book over 25 years ago, we got to talk each night about, and he's a vegan, or excuse me, a vegetarian.

And one of the things, and his, his is a moral issue.

You didn't want to have animals killed.

My point was, I used to, but the more I talked to him, the more rational he seems.

It wasn't my choices, but you couldn't find a more level-headed, responsible, sober person than he.

And then later, when my late daughter decided she was going to be a vegetarian, I was worried about, you know,

protein, B12, all that stuff.

And I remember I had the same discussions with her, but it was always about her health.

But it was, she was like John, it was a different issue for them.

They weren't anti-meat.

They just didn't want to eat meat themselves.

And I disagreed with that.

By the way, you know, I got my blood test for my long COVID, and one of the shocking things was

my serum protein is low, globulin.

So I'm wondering, how can can that be other than COVID?

Because I am a vorocious meat eater

three or four times a week.

So I'm going to, in reaction to that, eat more meat.

And it was very funny because you would think that with COVID, everything would be messed up, but my cholesterol dived to 128

as I ate more meat and had a low protein serum count.

I can't figure that out.

Well, I've had the pleasure and joy of eating at your house a few times.

And Mrs.

Hansen cooks a mighty mean steak, so I would, I would, I can see why you eat a lot of

meat the way she cooks it.

So, hey, Victor, thanks

for your wisdom.

Thanks, everyone who's listened to this podcast and all the podcasts.

And we'll be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis Hanson Show.

Thank you, everybody.