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Victor Davis-Hanson is the Martin and Ely Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, the Wayne and Marsha Buskie Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College, the best-selling author, farmer, classicist, essayist at American Greatness, New Criterion, and at his website, victorhanson.com, about which I will be telling you later because you need to be subscribing to that.

So a lot to talk about today.

And today, as we record, it's Sunday, July 31st, and this particular program should be up on the World Wide Web on Thursday, August 4th.

Victor, the first thing we're going to talk about is the crybaby mayor of the District of Columbia, Muriel Bowser, who's got a little turnabout.

And man, it's fair play.

So we'll get to that right after these important messages.

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So Victor, the madness at the border, which I don't think we really talk about enough.

And maybe we need to dedicate a little more time on our next podcast.

But it is madness, right?

And 20,000 people a day, 30,000 people a day coming over.

And who's bearing the brunt of this?

The people of Texas, people of Arizona, the people of Southern California.

So, Governor Abbott of Texas has decided to get some buses and ship some of these people to some of those sanctuary cities that are so concerned with immigrants, so concerned they will not turn them in.

And one of those cities is the District of Columbia, whose mayor is Muriel Bowser.

And if I may, on the side a little bit, Victor, you remember

when the George Floyd riots happened?

She was busy making sure the streets of Washington were painted with Black Lives Matter.

Yes, I remember on May 31st when the crowd at Lafayette Square torched the historic St.

John's Episcopal Church and they went across the street.

and they battled an outnumbered group of Secret Service agents and they requested that Muriel Bowser send in the municipal police and she wouldn't do it.

Right.

And they almost overwhelmed.

And all you people who feel that January 6th was an insurrection, tell me what that was when that sent the President of the United States and Secret Service to the underground bunker in fears they were going to overrun.

that fence and break into the White House grounds, if not the White House.

And that was planned on social media.

So yeah, I remember her really well.

Remember also how great law enforcement was, Victor after the Republican convention 2020, which was at the White House?

Remember Senator Rand Paul and his wife?

He was in danger.

He walked down the street and he was in physical danger.

At the time, he was suffering from a severe lung injury.

I think they took from that neighbor that tried to, I don't know what he tried to do.

He sucker.

Yeah, he sucker.

He was hurt him, punched him, knocked him down, and they had to remove, I think eventually a part of his lung.

And then he got COVID after that, which brings up, you know, not to be off topic, but at some some point when you're sure when you think about the series of events in recent years, the attack on some of the Republican congressmen playing baseball by Mr.

Hodgkinson, who was a Bernie Sanders volunteer in the campaign.

And then you think of Lee Zeldin, who was attacked.

not long ago by somebody with a very strange little, I don't know what it was, a hand plastic blade, but trying to stab him in the neck.

And then you think of Rand Paul being attacked.

And then you remember Senator Schumer saying, Gorsuch Kavanaugh, you sowed the wind, you will not, you will reap the whirlwind, you won't know what hit you.

And then you see these people,

right?

Justice Kavanaugh, when he's eating dinner, they swarm him.

Or then this.

Roski or whatever his name is, showed up outside of his house ready to not just shoot we learn Kavanaugh, but maybe three more justices, two or three more justices.

And you think to yourself, where was the outrage?

And there was no outrage.

And I hate to say that, but the hardest.

It was applauded.

Not even no outrage.

It was applauded by.

It was Maxine Waters, get in their faces, follow them home, go to the gas station.

And I have an article coming out.

What if everything was reciprocal?

What if

the right did all the things the left are doing, showed up at Soda Maire's house?

That would be terrible to do that.

That would be one of the worst things you you could do.

What if they did something like that?

What if, you know, what if they decided to, you know, Kevin McCarthy wanted to tear up the State of the Union address on national television?

What if Kevin McCarthy said when they take the house, there's not going to be one squad member on any committee?

I am going to veto Nancy Pelosi minority leader's selection.

So it's always asymmetrical with a left.

That's what's so disturbing.

Well, Victor, one of those people who, as we, you know, began this podcast, did the applauding or stood by and watched is, again, D.C.

Mayor Muriel Bowser and the busloads of illegal immigrants.

I don't know if, am I allowed to say that?

Maybe undocumented immediately.

Bill Biden outlawed the word.

Oh, okay.

Supreme Court used it.

My policy when my editors at the Tribune Content Agency would always change it.

They change it from illegal alien to illegal immigrant to

undocumented immigrant to immigrant.

So you wouldn't know which way a person was going, the Latin X or Latin preposition in.

Right.

No, you can say that.

Okay.

Well, I said it.

And

yeah, she's guess she's calling out the National Guard.

Help, help.

We can't handle this.

4,000?

Is that what we've done now to East Coast?

I think it's about 5,000.

So, and how, and it's anticipated that when summer's over, there's going to have been cumulative 3 million people since Joe Biden took office that have crossed illegally the southern border at a time of a pandemic without vaccinations, without COVID tests,

without any audit at all.

And they're destroying these communities along the Rio Grande Valley, as anybody would in those numbers.

Destroy, by meaning overtaxing their schools, their legal sources, their health care facilities, their housing.

And nobody cared.

And so they get a little whiff of that and they go paranoid.

And when if she had any principles, she said, we welcome diversity.

We welcome it.

We want to inculcate these new immigrants into our civic identity.

Bring us more.

Bring us, you're tired and you're poor.

They always quote the Lazarus on the Statue of Liberty.

Here's the chance.

And as I said, you know, we have 2 million empty dorms.

And my gosh, they're all empty right now.

They're sitting there at Harvard and Yale and MIT and Duke and Stanford and Berkeley.

And they have law schools and medical schools and schools of business and interns that could really take the illegal immigrant, I should say the immigrant community that has crossed the border and house them and feed them and take care of their health needs.

and maybe

double up when school starts with students if they really want this to continue, but they don't.

They're okay if Maria and Juan cut their lawn or clean their home and then go home and don't come back until the next workday.

But other than that, they have no desire to be affected in any way whatsoever by their ideology.

That's for little people.

She's now affected and she doesn't like it.

And some of the things she said, to be quite candid, were almost exclusionary.

They really were.

You know, that was impacting or disrupting Washington and this and this and this.

It almost sounded as if there was a racial motive to it.

I don't know.

These people were coming in and they're, you know, we can't handle these people.

And

sometimes, Victor, you know, there's two sets of rules, and I don't think that's necessarily hypocrisy.

They really do believe they have a separate set of rules, but this case, that's the John Kerry

hypocrisy.

Well, yeah.

It's the John Kerry rule that you have to bombard the upper atmosphere with carbon emissions to save it.

Oh, my gosh.

Some lists.

i wish i had picked that for a subject i i he said that though he said that he there was no other way to save us unless he could pry fly his private jet everywhere well uh the another

man who wrote a book on on climate change the great uh uh bill gates uh talks about his uh i don't know if we called it some selfish little pleasure kind of embarrassed but he's got four private jets and the amount of so anyway someone some organization did some analysis of the celebrities that are you know flying around to these conferences and pumping the problem with bill gates and all those guys is is they take out their cell phone and they look at all the money that they still have and then they divide it by their average lifespan the hours they have left on this planet and then they think they'll never be able to satisfy all their appetites and it's unlimited.

They can do anything in the world and they cave and they start, you know, Bill Gates starts to be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein and he gets divorced and he has accused of sexual misconduct or harassment or they have private deals or he gets four private planes.

And then to make up that lapse, because they're not transcendent people, they believe the only way they can square that circle is to play pay, you know, Catholic type penance.

And I don't mean Orthodox Catholic, but you know what I'm talking about.

And so they start to mouth off about about peace and brotherhood and the therapeutic romides.

And then that exempts them from they are the on that very point, both Gates and Warren Buffett, who, if he dies, is the Wall Street Journal did some analysis recently.

He may leave in a state of $110 billion.

But you know where they plan where they have been spending their money and planning is abortion.

They're just like crazy.

No, I don't understand that.

I really don't.

They have Warren Buffett, George Soros.

There's all these problems.

I mean, there's so many kids with Down syndrome, and they're not getting good help or research.

Why don't they make a 20 Down syndrome centers where people could go and they'd have a hotel, they'd have facilities, they could get top care regional, you know, in all 11, 10 regional areas of the United States.

Why don't they go to, why doesn't Buffett and somebody say, we're going to spend $10 billion to save thousands of lives by improving this particular stretch of highway or this particular freeway where people get killed in droves.

We're going to do that.

Or why don't they go into the inner city and

not give it to some,

just pay, pay.

And they never do that.

They never, never do that.

They're Malthusians

and

I don't know that they'd be as crude as, remember,

oh my God, what's it?

Bloomberg, the great farmer michael bloomberg when he uh when he was running for uh his third term as mayor in new york and the hit ad against him was he there was some woman who worked for him she was pregnant and he said kill it kill it i remember that yeah that means i remember that and

the cool thing about that was in the democratic primary he had sort of a

soft

denial or or contextualization of that because some handler obviously had said to him, wait a minute, kill it in the Democratic primary, Mike?

Your problem is that they feel you're too centrist, but we've got to get your feed days established.

And there's no better way in the Democratic Party of today and a primary to show that you're a radical all-in abortionist.

Well, Victor, we've got a few other things to talk about, obviously, today.

And one of them has to do with a piece you wrote.

for your website.

And it is one of the ultra pieces, the exclusive pieces.

But from time to time on our podcast, we let folks know about some of the content there.

And this one is titled Res Ipsa Loquitur.

I probably have said every word wrong of that Latin phrase.

And you talk in this piece about five self-evident banalities.

And one of them is Liz Cheney.

So, two things here, Victor.

Three things.

One, correct my pronunciation.

Two, explain the title.

And three, have at it your thoughts on Liz Cheney.

The thing speaks for itself.

There's no,

the fact is that

she

is going to lose her congressional seat.

The people of Wyoming have come to the conclusion that while they were famous for 50 years, Wyoming family, the Cheneys, that Liz Cheney, and she was the third in line in the Republican House,

that they were perfectly fine if she I mean, they weren't fine with it, but if she wanted as the third-ranking Republican to vote to impeach the Republican president and join nine others of what, 210,

that was it,

then she could have resigned her position and say, I have a matter, it's a matter of conscience.

And then she could have impeached she voted to impeach.

And she could have been like our

representative, my congressman, who I vehemently disagreed for his vote on impeachment, but I will give credit to David Valladeo.

He voted to impeach Donald Trump.

He said, this was the decision.

I understand that my base is upset.

I'm sorry I did it.

And then he went on.

He never discussed it again, basically.

He's in a plus 10 Democratic district.

His critics said, well, he was doing that to get independence, but the point is he won the primary on like Liz Cheney.

And he will be opposed against a very radical left-winger, and I'm going to vote for him.

Was it close, Victor?

The primary?

It was close, but he won.

Okay.

And my point is that Liz Cheney had every opportunity to do that.

She could have gone back to the voters and said, look, I know you people genuinely disagree and you're good people.

But I just felt that Donald Trump was not muscular enough in stopping this.

But instead, and that would have been it.

She would have been re-elected.

But what she did was she was absorbed by it.

And then the media appearances, hundreds of them, the darling of the left.

She doesn't understand how the left works.

I thought she did after what they did to her father.

I wrote a column about her father in 2006 and 2007 when they went out and called him a Halbert and Stooge, a war criminal, a Nazi.

They hated him.

And they defamed him and they were unfair to him.

Doesn't she understand how they operate?

So now she is, whether we like to use that term or not, she's a useful idiot.

I think, Victor, if you take one person and associate it with the hearings, anyone, you know, a politician involved with it, it's her.

It's not the chairman.

No, it's not.

It's not the chairman.

The chairman himself, Benny Thompson, is that his name?

He was a guy as was pointed out by Byron York that in 2004, he didn't want to certify the election.

He thought there was election fraud in Ohio.

He was trying to delegitimize the legitimate leader.

He was everything that he says Donald Trump was for.

He's the chairman.

So she took over de facto that committee, and she knows that the only Republicans that are serving on that committee are either politically inert or they have voted to impeach the president,

have any stature.

And she knows that Republicans who would have provided needed cross-examination and to grill witnesses that had been coached by that committee, like this Cassidy character who couldn't refrain her exuberance for Donald Trump and to make fun of the committee.

And then, when she meets with these people and they read her the riot act and the legal bills that are going to ensue, should she continue that Trump support, she flips and says that he's a threat to the Constitution.

That's how they're running this thing.

And so she also said that she wasn't going to encourage cross-party registration.

She wasn't going to take out of state money from left-wing organizations.

And that's exactly what she's doing.

And so she's going to lose in Wyoming, the primary.

If she tries to run in the general election, she will lose.

She will go gravitate back to where she's spent most of her life in the Washington Nexus.

And then it'll be interesting, Jack, because we'll see whether it's a CNN or MSNBC,

not analyst, but anchor woman, or whether she's going to run sort of a Ralph Nader spoiler 2000 type campaign where she says, Okay,

I'm going to run.

And Galvin, I, this is Bill Crystal's dream, right?

Right.

He's been looking for somebody besides our friend James French

and others, Evan McMullen.

And now he's got Liz Cheney with name recognition.

And maybe she can get the 9% of the Republicans never Trump vote up to 10 or 12.

Who knows?

Maybe she can do what Ross Perot, his second anemic,

run in 1996 when he got about 9% of the vote.

We'll see.

I don't think she can, but she's obsessed and she made her point and she could have recovered politically had she wanted to.

But I think that the adulation and the exposure and all of this celebratory status was new to her and it went to her head.

And then she can't say a word.

She literally can't say a word about high gas prices or or a porous border or a disaster abroad or the end of deterrence or a spiking crime wave.

And she can give a peep or two about Roe versus Wade.

And then the left says, wait a minute, you don't talk about Roe versus Wade.

You're a useful idiot.

We made you and we're doing this because you're supposed to talk about Donald Trump being an insurrectionist.

If you get off topic or off the menu, you're going to be in trouble.

And then she quiets down.

It's like

to say that because I've had dinner with her.

I like her.

But I can't, and I've had a lot of disagreements with some prominent people in Wyoming that are her staunch supporters.

But my gosh, she's obsessed.

She didn't have to be.

She sounds, you mentioned Crystal before, but yeah,

the things that won't be spoken about by an alleged conservative is of the bulwark, you know, the

Crystal website.

It's tailor-made for that.

Yeah, well, more power to her.

But as I said, there's a lot of people like myself that would never have voted to impeach a president, much less to impeach a president twice, much less to have a president impeached and tried as a private citizen, and yet has it in his heart, not that I'm a magnanimous person, but I'm a realist to vote for somebody who did that.

And that's David Valdeo.

And I urge every conservative, Republican, Independent, Democrat to vote for David Valdeo in the November election.

And that's not because I approve of what he did, but because given the alternative, he will be a much better congressman than a left-wing radical, and he will help the Republicans take the House.

I think that's the position of the House Minority Leader McCarthy as well.

So they were people in Wyoming that may have given her that benefit of the doubt had she just done what Valadedo did.

Yeah.

And he's the only one of the 10 that has a political future as of right now.

Right.

Well, Victor,

let's talk about the midterm elections coming up and is particular to Asian Americans and their numbers, their affinity for Democratic Party's in decline.

And then there's a very interesting piece that is out in the New York Post.

about Asian students that I think is worth your commentary.

And we will hear from you about these things right after these important messages.

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So, Victor, two things.

First, we are recording on Sunday, the 31st, and in the New York Post, there's an interesting piece.

Okay, it's relative to New York City, but it's titled, Asian Students Our Biggest Losers in New New York City School Admission System.

And, you know,

New York City has some elite high schools, a test to get in.

Meritocracy, you know, these things are dying or dead now.

The Asian students, quote-unquote, Asian, were clearly overrepresented, which sounds like a wrong word, but for a proportion of the population, take the Bronx High School of Science, a very famous, have to test to get into the school, a very high significant Asian population there, Stuyvesant, other schools.

Through these new testing standards, though,

Asians in New York City have fallen way down on the list.

You're allowed to pick some of the schools you want to go to.

Guess what?

If you're a high-ranking Asian student, you get, there's a 70% chance you get into one of the five schools you've chosen.

If you're Black or Hispanic in New York City, there's a 98% chance.

So, hey, they see this.

They're like, what the hell's going on here?

How come?

Again, are we all of a sudden second-class citizens?

Which, Victor, I think goes along with stories we have seen or heard over the past couple of years: how Asian students are being

kind of pushed out of colleges and college admissions,

the targeted crimes against Asians, which have been blamed on conservatives.

When, of course, they're being,

you know, it's crazy.

So, here's a so we have that kind of just another story and an ongoing saga of

nose-thumbing at asians and then there's a piece uh today by uh diana uh glob globova i'm not sure who she is maybe an interim she's writing for national review but the title is asian american support for biden dissipates before midterms i think it's fair to say asians were you know strong uh democratic ally voting population not anymore It's, I think it's 40% approved, Biden, 55% approved.

It looks like there's a 30% drop in support.

So these are dynamics that we've seen with the Hispanic community and even the Black community in America.

I mean, you've got to be something's wrong with you if you think if you're,

if whatever group you belongs to

doesn't have decreasing support for Democrats and Joe Biden.

Your thoughts, Victor, about this,

where

Asian feelings are in the United States right now, political and cultural?

Well, I think they have, there have been a series of radical changes.

I think the Asian community, when they immigrated, the original Japanese and Chinese diaspora, they became sort of New Dealers, the people I grew up with.

And then

during the Reagan years, remember Senator Hayakawa, they became conservative because they became not just middle class, but in terms of per capita income, Asians are the highest earning ethnic group in the United States.

And that sort of alienated not Hispanics as much as African Americans, especially because there were a lot of Korean, we saw in the Rodney King riots, there were a lot of Korean store owners, and they were on the front lines of commerce and entrepreneurialship.

And people said, well, we're sick of you being the ideal minority.

I think it was Jesse Jackson.

Maybe one of the leaders can verify whether this is correct, but he said something to the degree that African Americans should follow Asians around, take pictures of what they do or record what they do and then follow that, emulate.

It got him in trouble.

He said a lot of things like that, actually, in his earlier incarnation.

But my point is that they became conservative.

And then, with the Obama administration and Barack Obama's radical new idea of racial emphasis, that he coined the word diversity, and everybody belonged to it unless you were white.

And suddenly, it was no longer an 88-12 binary black and white that had historical grievances against the majority culture, the African-American, but it was, you know, it was a multi-millionaire Punjabi.

It was a Korean orthodontist.

It was a Japanese-American stockbroker.

It was a Chinese owner of five supermarkets.

Class had nothing to do with it, and they were left.

They went back left again and hard left.

The problem is, though, that they had never resolved certain issues in the Asian community vis-a-vis the left-wing movement.

And the first, of course, was that African Americans had entertained an historic dislike stereotype, not all, but as you saw in the Rodney King riots.

And as you see today, with African Americans inordinately involved in anti-Asian hate crimes, and indeed twice their numbers in the demographic represented in hate crimes in general.

And so that was one reason why there's been a re-examination of their political affiliations is because Asians are afraid to go out in the streets of major cities of Washington or Baltimore or San Francisco or wherever because they feel they're going to be targeted and they're going to be targeted in such a way that they're members of the so-called diversity community.

It's not going to matter, that their assailants will be either not mentioned or they will be contextualized.

By the way, Victor, interrupt.

The proof of what you just said, the fear is

the recall of the DA in

San Francisco.

Absolutely.

And you're going to see the same Asian community come out in droves for Gascon and Los Angeles.

And then the second thing is that the older generation, the third, sometimes first, second, or third generations, depending on the Asian, particular Asian community, they had been

pretty much sold on the American idea of meritocracy.

It had been, for all of the accusations that the white community was stuck in 19th century racism, it wasn't true.

Their attitude of the majority culture had been: if Asians are going to study hard and play by the rules, and they're 50% of the UC Berkeley student body, more power to them, then maybe my son will get off the couch and start studying.

I know that when I walk across the Stanford campus and I see maybe 30% of Asians, and by the way, that rubric has expanded to include people from the Indian subcontinent.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it at all.

I think to myself, wow, these people should be here.

This is exactly what America is about.

You reward hard work and diligence and superb achievement.

Okay, so that was what they were told.

And then all of a sudden, whether it's this famous school in New York or Lowell School in San Francisco, they butt up against the new democratic radical Jacobin idea.

There's no such thing as merit.

And anybody who excels anybody else does it for selfish reasons and because of privilege or advantage.

And it's the role of the state to intervene in that process and take a hammer and knock down the nail that sticks up and pull the nail that's not as high up.

And equal, not equal, not equality of opportunity, but equality of result.

So now the Asian community is in a state of crisis.

Because when they look at the people who are saying, we don't like quotas for university admissions.

We don't like ending meritocracy at magnet schools that value test scores and grades and civic citizenship.

And who's that?

And we deplore hate crimes and we want to punish any law breaker of any race or ethnicity who attacks somebody on the basis of racial hatred.

Who's saying that?

It's not the Democratic Party.

It's not the left.

It's the Republican Party.

So I think what we're going to see is that you're going to see 50 to 60% of the Asian community vote Republican and conservative.

It's going to be broken down by age.

In other words, there's going to be voters 18 to 35 that grew up in the Obama years and

the woke and the politically correct years, and they're going to feel that culturally they're not going to be ostracized by becoming or acting or appearing conservative, but their parents will be.

And so you're going to see a big shift.

It's going to be a generational shift.

Sometimes I do Chinese language interviews with Kathy Zhang in San Francisco.

And from the feedback I get from people who listen, who email me, it's definitely a generational issue.

To some extent, it's an immigration generational.

In other words, the first generation coming from a different country with firsthand knowledge and experience with poverty and oppression.

really is hyper patriotic and they feel that this is heaven.

And partly it is that as people get older and they become successful in America, they see that it is the land of opportunity and they're not subject to the propaganda of the left.

They're autonomous and independent in a way that their children at the universities and primary schools are.

So yeah, that's a long explanation, but that's what's happening.

And to a certain degree, that paradigm applies to the Hispanic community as well.

Seems like every Democratic candidate, I'm exaggerating, but most Democratic candidates that are Hispanic Hispanic in my area of the woods either were staffers for a prior candidate and they have never been out in the private workforce or they work for government or they're head of an agency and they're very, very left-wing.

And all of the conservative Hispanic candidates were labor contractors or independent restaurant owners or real estate agents, but they've been out in the real world where you either survive or you fail on the basis of your own work or expertise and so there's going to be these generational conflicts as well

victor you mentioned uh the stanford campus and i was i wasn't on the campus i drove by it several times last week i was in palo alto saw the hoover tower and and on the top of it uh you were in if you were i would have i would have knocked on the door or gone up in the secret elevator whatever however you i'm on long covet temporary leave but i will be back as i've told people very soon.

Soon enough.

Well, just if you don't mind a little detour here, while I was

when I went out there, I had dinner with our old friend Scott Irmagut, who used to produce your podcast on Ricky Jay.

Scott's a good friend.

Andrew Roberts, the great historian.

Another good friend.

And

Jay Bhattacharya, who I had not met before.

And what a, I really love this guy.

He's as just as a human being.

I mean, he's a fellow at Hoover.

Just quickly, any thoughts

about him and what he went through and how he

was one of the signees of the are the organizers, the Great Barrington Medical Initiative, where he and John Yanides, another famous immunologist at Stanford, Michael Levett, I think the Nobel Prize winner.

and Jay, as well as Scott Atlas, they were sort of a tetrad.

And very early on, they, in different ways with different enthuses, pointed out that although mask wearing can be useful within 95 masks, this stuff that you're putting mask over anything that's called a mask could just as well be a receptacle for germs or vira than it could be a preventative or prophylactic.

They pointed out that shutdowns and quarantines had a useful medical history, but not blanketly applied.

In other words, that it would be better to focus and harness our resources and fixate on older people in rest homes and long care facilities and isolate their workers that have to be with them.

They were again and again talking about therapeutics, having an open mind that if a drug had a long history of safety and you were using it in an off-label capacity experimentally, well, that had to be watched very closely.

It should not be prohibited in the way that we were using very, very dangerous and high-priced pharmaceuticals, especially antivirals, and promiscuously using them at great cost, sometimes without even doctor's intervention.

I think you can get Paxiloid without even a doctor.

I mean, just go to a center and get it.

It's a very powerful and sometimes a drug fraught with a lot of side effects.

So they said everything, Jack, that is reality now.

And they also told us that as much as they support the use of vaccination, that the vaccinations would probably be more comparable to the annual flu vaccination than a smallpox or measles that has long-lasting fulphylaxis.

And just pretty much, they said it was a tragedy.

We weren't working on therapeutics.

So, everything that we know now is common knowledge.

And what would they get for all that?

What did they get for all that?

They got the medical establishment, the pharmaceuticals, the university medical schools, the Fauci, Francis Collin, Nexus, the Biden campaign, and then they got nothing but venom and calumny and opposition.

And in some cases, they suffered professionally, career-wise.

They were ostracized, both socially and professionally.

And they were right.

And Jay is a good example.

And through that entire ordeal, he kept his head.

He was polite.

Oh, my God.

He never reciprocated the invective that was directed at him.

Happy warrior.

John Yeanitas didn't either.

Scott was more blunt because he was in a political position.

And everybody said, well, Scott was abrasive at coding Dr.

Burks.

But in fact, Scott was in vain trying to point out that these people could be dangerous if you listened to them.

And they were dangerous.

If you look at the latest statistics, I think it was released this weekend, the soaring number of cardiac and cancer cases due to neglected screenings and procedures that went on during that two-year period, just as exactly as Scott and Jay and John had worried about.

So it's really tragic what happens.

And this is a propensity of democracies.

They get worked up in these hysterias, and then they find these public enemies and they just try to destroy them.

Right.

The idea that Dr.

Fauci, in some manner, was the point man

and that he...

In the destruction effort.

Yeah.

And then he himself,

I mean, it's if you were a novel we need michael kricon to write a novel i wish he was alive because he could have written the best novel about fauci

because

in some sense looking back at all this it makes perfect sense that

anthony fauci knew that gain of function research was illegal in the united states and he got around that maybe for noble reasons he thought it was an essential to study them by giving this money to peter dasik who gave it to Echo Health to the virology lab in Wuhan.

But the point, I don't know the degree to which that enabled this research to take pathogens from bats and gain and work on them under the auspices, apparently, of the Chinese

People's Liberation Army.

But nevertheless, and then to deny, deny, deny that.

And when those emails came out, that were pretty clear that they were worried about that.

I think Bauci said, don't worry, it's just a bright, shiny object.

And then when he got into those tit for tats with Rand Paul, and he will get them in again, and you collate all of that with

vaccinations are the answer, the ultimate end-all,

and mask wearing is the end-all, and then Paxiloid.

And then you see him be vaccinated twice and then have two boosters.

and then two courses of the magic antiviral when he said basically all of that was the end-all.

If we all did what he did, you wouldn't get this virus.

So it's tragic.

It really is that in some sense, his

support, his prestige, his authority, his control of multi-billion dollar grants, his network of friends either condoned or colluded with transference of money to a lab that engaged in gain of

yeah victor if this was some mafia right it would be money laundering it would it would be a crime it would not be considered not a crime uh right if well it really doesn't it beg a question that if you had that degree of culpability

and you were the point man in demonizing legitimate healthcare professionals and strategists and scientists and doctors like bacharia and atlas and yenides and all of these wonderful people

that it might be some defense mechanism that you wanted to shield yourself and deflect attention from your role in funding a very dangerous medical line of research that indirectly maybe have contributed in some small way

to this outbreak.

It's killed over a million people.

And,

you know, for someone like myself who got COVID, got over, and then I've got, I'm on 90 days of this overwhelming fatigue and neuropathy and brain problems and no taste or smell.

You think about this sometime.

Why did this happen?

Why didn't somebody come out and tell us at the very beginning where it originated, why it originated, who contributed to it?

And why didn't we welcome all of the medical community to work at a very early age?

to see if we could save these million people who died or the 10 million who have long COVID.

Why didn't we do that?

And a lot of it is because Dr.

Fauci Fauci was too busy getting on television 24-7 and trying to protect his reputation and trying to demonize that of other people.

That's a harsh verdict, but it's true.

It's true.

He's going to suffer.

I feel bad for him because history is not going to be kind to him.

But he will have a portrait in the National Gallery.

Did I read that this week?

I think someone did it.

I don't think that it's going to be there long.

Do you think it's going to be there long?

We have, in our podcast, we have interviewed Devin Nunes, and I'm going to try to have that as a weekly feature of the Victor Hansen podcast.

And I'm going to try to have Stephen C.

Quay come up.

I guess you'd call him a molecular biologist, doctor, researcher.

And he wrote with Professor Mueller from UC Berkeley, a very insightful Wall Street Journal op-ed, as you remember, about the origins of COVID.

And pretty clearly from his things he's published, I mean, he's a mainstream academic doctor, both an operational doctor, a medical doctor, and a PhD.

And he has a whole line of research interests.

And it's pretty clear that

from the lectures I've heard him give and the research papers he's written that I've read, and we're going to talk to him because I think he's made an argument that the virus most likely

was let loose, probably not intentionally, but accidentally, but criminally accidentally, in the sense that because of prior releases, you would expect that to have happened in that poorly maintained but very dangerous level four biology lab.

And at that point, he leaves it open to speculation as I collate his work that we don't know what the Chinese military was doing, whether they were trying to find a vaccine or they were engaged in some type of nefarious research.

But we're going to have him on.

Well, yeah, you told, Victor, not to give away anything, and I may have misunderstood, but does he not also have a kind of approaching apocalyptic view to this?

Maybe apocalyptic is too strong a word, but we hear him talk.

Are we going to be frightened?

I think so, because he in the past, as we remember, called, I think in 2021, he called for an international effort to find out what happened.

He's investigated everything from breast cancer to the coronavirus, but he called for an international effort to try to find out the origins.

And why did he want to do that?

Because he felt that that lab was continuing research post-COVID.

And if this had happened once,

it could happen again and it could happen to a much more deadly degree.

So yes, as long as that virology lab is in operation, as long as it's not transparent, as long as the Chinese military is controlling it, as long as it's not clear about what its ultimate aims are with gain of function virology research, I mean, Dr.

Kui has not mentioned it, but if you see people across the political spectrum, both professional and conspiratorial, who have said, well,

it was let out because, you know, they thought it was some kind of bioweapon and it kind of prematurely and that's was released and maybe they hadn't got the vaccine for it.

And so one of the arguments was they wouldn't have, it wouldn't have never been released intentionally because they would have had a vaccine.

And I don't believe it was released.

I want to make that clear to the listeners intentionally by the knowledge that I have.

and my limited grasp, but I do believe that experts like Dr.

Kui and others believe that that type of research is so dangerous right and so capable of destroying millions of people's lives that it should not be conducted in general and it certainly should not be conducted under the auspices of the chinese communist party when they're using technology and i should say this western technology the ability to breed mice with human lungs, so to speak, so they can do human experiment.

That was not their technology.

That was given to them or sold to them by Americans and Europeans.

I assume that the research really doesn't end.

It's not, you know, like, but I'll still use a baseball, you know, analogy of innings.

And I wonder if, you know, if that, let's, okay, it was,

it, it, it was an accident.

That's how it got out.

But did it get out in the first inning of the research or did it get out in the seventh inning?

That's the $64,000 question because I have talked to people who have intelligence backgrounds.

I won't mention them.

And some of them believe that one of the interests that China was pursuing, whether it was abstractly or in the lab, actually, I don't know.

They don't know.

But there had been rumors that they were researching vira that would be specific to issues of gender and race, for example.

And so that they would have been engineering way in the future some type of virus that might have immunity for maybe their own population, but not others.

And things of that nefarious and dangerous scope.

And given what China does with the Uyghurs and organ harvesting and forced sterilization

and the elements that are in force, the one-child policy and how they treat people who are non-Chinese, that does not surprise me at all.

I think this is the most dangerous.

racist government really on the planet today.

It has the most power to do damage to the most people.

And I really want to talk to Dr.

I've heard him speak and I've read it, and he's not an alarmist in the sense that he's not, I mean, he's very careful.

He's got a company, he's a practical and theoretical man, and he is worried.

And others, like Stephen Mosher, are worried.

Right.

And there's a lot of people who are worried because they have not gotten answers.

And when I'll just end on this,

when

Peter Dasik is selected as one of the key people, along with Lancet Medical Journal in Britain, to investigate the origins of the release or the birthing of this, I shouldn't say release, that's premature in their way of thinking.

And they went over to China and they grandly were given a selective tour and they were not allowed to see certain people or certain research.

But nevertheless, they came back and announced that the most probable birth of the virus was a natural one from miles away in a bat cave or somewhere, a pathogen that had no prior infection trace in any animal until it once appeared in men.

Nobody believed it.

And nobody

believed it to the extent that they were all discredited.

And all the people who joined there are discredited, except the dissonant voices who objected that it was

an unfair selection.

It was court of a January 6th version of medical research.

And then the $64,000 question, I keep using that term, but we should ask ourselves to what degree

were all of those people or maybe the medical journal itself recipients of camouflage or redirected, but nevertheless originally Chinese money.

Yeah, show me the money, right?

That's where it all starts.

That's where it starts with the NBA.

That's where it starts with LeBron James.

That's where it starts starts with Steve Kerr.

That's where it starts with Michael Bloomberg.

That's where it starts with Bill Gates and his praise of the Chinese reaction to it.

That starts everywhere.

And until people are transparent and say, this is what I think about China.

And here's, I can assure you, I have gotten no money from a Chinese entity.

They're not credible.

Right.

Well, thanks for that.

One last thing I'll say about back to the dinner with Jay Bhattacharya, who I just was kind of enthralled.

What a nice, just a really nice guy.

He was talking about COVID theater also.

He says, for example, you know, those the plexiglass that used to go to a store and everyone's behind plexiglass or office spaces divided by plexiglass.

That actually makes the situation worse.

But you know what?

We still endure it here in our, in

commerce.

And

he's a very empirical, it's a very empirical guy.

I mean, that's what was so good about all of this.

I'll just finish with this irony that here, Stanford Medical School gained international notoriety by censoring and publicly censoring and trying really to ruin the careers of the world's most distinguished epidemiologist and immunologist, people like Jay and Yannides and Levitt and

terms of policy, Scott Atlas.

It was the weirdest thing in the world when you'd go places and you'd say that you were from Stanford University and people would say, do you know these people?

And they were pariahs at home and heroes throughout the world.

And their reputations are now intact and enhanced and they were proven right.

And each day that passes that Dr.

Fauci's and the Dr.

Collins will be and that Dr.

Burks will be more desperate to contextualize all of their mistakes.

And

well, I'm hoping there's a day of comeuppance, a real bona fide event of come up and yeah.

And remember, the last thing and this is the i apologize for going on none of them as accused ever said that coronavirus was a non-entity that it was a mild disease what they said was

they didn't know

why particular individuals

Maybe it was obesity, maybe it was diabetes, maybe it was a unique immune system, maybe it was care.

Maybe it was age, but they said one to two percent of the population could get very, very ill.

Right.

You know, large population that was very dangerous.

You needed to protect them.

They never, as this got me the angriest that people said, well, they just said it was like a cold.

They never said that.

Right.

They said it could be very dangerous, but we could survive it without killing more people through neglected medicine and from the social pathologies of mask wearing and quarantines and lockdowns.

And with the pirates.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, thank you.

And by the way, I know our listeners heard it, but I'm excited too that you're going to be,

you've already started with the interview aspect of the show, but that'll mean, I guess, on a typical week, hopefully, there'll be five episodes.

Oh, I'll see you tomorrow.

When you hear this, I have to go to jury duty and I'll see if the idea that I haven't been able to drive even very well because I've been ill, I have to go to jury duty to see if I can be exempted from medical.

Otherwise, I'm going to be tied up for maybe weeks.

Well, we'll see.

Just say the guy's guilty in advance and you get at it.

Victor, I'm sure that my name is not worth much.

That somebody would say, We do not want this person anyway.

I think you have a good chance of getting bounced.

We are almost out of time, so it's part of the program.

We thank our listeners and we do thank them.

And this is quite enjoyable for me personally to be able to talk to Victor a couple times a week.

And

I know that there are many people would wish they were in this position.

And

I take it.

I'm

humble that I'm able to speak to my friend in this way.

And hopefully we're sharing Victor's wisdom as best as possible.

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This guy, Chuck1114, and you can leave one to five stars.

And Chuck left five, but he actually, then his, the title of his comment, he left a comment, was five stars also.

You know, so he wanted to leave 10 stars.

So he said, I put five additional stars in the title because VDH is, in fact, worth 10 stars.

My parents were born in the 1920s.

My father was a Republican.

My mother was a Democrat, but they were both very conservative Christians.

I'd be very interested in your thoughts concerning the evolution of the political parties, conservatism, and liberalism.

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Victor, thank you very much for engaging today and for the wisdom you shared.

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