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Victor, my friend,

I know you've seen this.

I have a feeling most of our listeners have seen this, but I'll just very quickly all over the interwebs, social media, as an image.

This is the Marine Corps, the Marine Corps, the celebrating Pride.

Month of June, it's LGBTQI, whatever.

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Victor, this got a ton of attention on Twitter and other Facebook, other social media platforms.

This happened while you were coming back from Israel.

I'm sure you've seen it.

Victor, you know, more woke military?

Is this just a weird anecdote or is this symbolic of something bigger?

What are your thoughts?

I guess the first thought is what prompts people to do these things.

So who was the major colonel one star who came up with the idea?

These are the different colored bullets that represent the colors of the pride flag and a clip or something.

Does that mean that the pink or the green or the yellow one is more lethal than the other one?

Or does it mean when one of them hits and blows apart somebody, there's a different, I don't know, significance because a gay person shot the gun?

Is that what they're saying?

But in the larger context, what we're seeing is the

you know, it's sort of like the commissariat, commissars in the Soviet Union.

I've used that comparison before, Jack.

And

what I mean by that is ideology, when it's applied to the military, comes at the expense of lethality or military efficacy.

Ask yourself this, Jack,

and everybody listening.

If you were,

let's say, I don't know, a full colonel, and you were in Afghanistan and

two things were known about you.

One, you saw the deteriorating situation and impromptu or without an order, you took the initiative and made a corridor around Bagram Air Base.

And you saved it.

At least you saved it as an orderly place and you saved the equipment.

And it was due to your heroism and initiative.

But at the same time, that week, somebody had come to you and said, we want to have just as we have a pride flag flying from the embassy in a gender studies at the Kabul University, University, we want to have a Marine Pride Day and we want to have these different colored bullets.

You said, Are you serious?

What would happen to him?

Would he be rewarded for saving lives and showing military brilliance, or would it be more likely he'd be punished for suggesting that he was intolerant of gay agendas?

And I'll leave the answer to the audience, but you can see what I'm getting at.

All of these ideological distractions come at the expense of military lethality.

And we saw that in Afghanistan, the most serious,

most serious and humiliating military defeat since 1975, when we flew off the embassy of Saigon and abandoned Vietnam.

And so this is what is happening.

And this comes on top of, Jack, of the politicalization, as we've talked ad nauseum, of the officer class.

So when you have officers, uniform code of military justice and calling them their commander-in-chief Nazi-like or Mussolini or comparing border policies to Auschwitz, this is the logical result of a military that is completely politicized.

And we saw that, of course, with Lloyd Austin and the testimony of Mark Milley.

Mark Milley always gives lectures, remember Jack, about how he's devoted to the Constitution.

He's not a political general.

This is the guy who took it upon his own initiative when Trump was president to call his Chinese counterpart to warn him essentially that Trump, I guess, was more unstable than the Chinese leadership.

Or when he had a normal photo op with the president, then sort of backed away and suggested he'd been used and he shouldn't do that.

So he was the most political chairman of the Joint Chiefs we've seen in decades, and yet he's giving lectures about the constitutionality.

of his position.

And when you add both of their testimonies about white supremacy, and we've talked about that before, it's really scary.

So, this pride,

if it didn't happen, you'd have to invent it is what I'm trying to struggle to say.

Yeah, Victor, it's not funny, but I was watching an old TV show.

I stumbled across it.

It's called The Lieutenant.

It was done by Gene Roddenberry before he did Star Trek.

It's an hour-long show.

Gosh, I forget the name of the main actor.

He was in 2001.

Anyway, it's about the Marine Corps.

I remember that talk.

Oh, my gosh.

It is so night and day, so night and day, the attitude today to the leader from the leadership.

I'm sure, you know, the Marines and the Marines, I'm not a Marine,

but my father-in-law and others I know would just be shocked by.

Didn't that only last like a year?

One year.

It only lasted a year, but it was terrific.

And there was a guy, the guy that was in that episode of Star trek yeah yes remember the guy that was paralyzed uh the former captain gary um what was his name

i'm gonna is that yeah that's it

wasn't wasn't it wasn't he the guy that was in the chair and the star trek yes it must have yeah he was the the star of that

and i remember i i

watched it i've watched it believe it or not i've seen it at reruns on uh cable tv

but you're right the culture is just antithetical today.

And you're absolutely right to say that at the captain level downward,

things probably have not changed.

But what's happening is once you politicize an organization, particularly a military organization, then by needs, everybody makes the necessary corrections and adjustments.

And so if you're going to be a lifetime Marine officer and you're, I don't know, a lieutenant colonel and you want to be colonel, and then the filtration process narrows and narrows, and you want to be a one-star, and then you have to assume the dominant ideology.

And if you're a maverick with a Mike Flynn attitude or something, or a George Patton,

you're not going to make it.

And these

systems are orthodox anyway and hierarchical.

So it's hard enough without blatant politicalization.

to accommodate people that are forceful and unorthodox.

But now it's all of military efficacy has been subordinated to political ideology.

We've talked about

the Soviet Army in the 1930s and the young Soviet army that went into Poland in 20 and 21 or the Soviet army that went into Finland in 39 and 40.

or the Soviet army that divided Poland up, barely met its demarcation points, or the Soviet army for the first six months of Operation Barbarossa showed what happened when you liquidate officer corps or you put psychophants in positions of power.

Same thing was true ultimately of the Nazi hierarchy.

And any totalitarian system in which merit is not the adjudicator of promotion.

and tenure among the officer corps is not is ultimately going to you're ultimately going to see something predictable like the afghanistan debacle

of course that was one other wrinkle we haven't talked about.

That was all concocted because of Joe Biden's dream of having a huge celebration that he was the president 20 years after 9-11 that finally ended the Afghan war.

He was telling people all of July and August what a great army the Afghan

forces were as a way of hiding the truth from the American people.

Victor,

since we're talking about crazy things, let's talk a little about AOC.

You mentioned something to me before we began

recording that she is now claiming a Native American, Lakota Sioux roots.

And, you know, on top of that, just like, you know, Joe Biden, Catholic Joe Biden, also, one of his many lies was that he also used to regularly attend Baptist, Black Baptist services when he was a teenager.

Some people just can't help get into this crap.

Well, AOC, what is she?

She's Puerto Rican.

She's also also claimed heritage black and Jewish.

And now she's a Native American, too.

Now she's been adopted by the Lakota Sioux, she says, and she's getting back to her Native American.

She's everything and nothing.

And so

it's just a career description.

She is a marginalized person.

And, you know, this is a barista who grew up in your territory, right, Jack, in Connecticut?

She actually, she grew up in the bronx that is my true territory that's your true but didn't she migrate to your secondary home no i think i think westchester she she yeah north of the city but uh as opposed to east of it but uh yeah yeah so she's she's not a child of deprivation is what i'm getting at like everybody else in america the number they understand the number of victimizers is too small to accommodate the number of victimized.

And so everybody, again, to use that phrase, has to make the necessary identity adjustments.

And we're going to, whether it's Elizabeth Warren and her high cheekbones or Ward Churchill and his, you know, his beads and buckskin or Sean King and his, I don't know, his mysterious parentage suddenly, or Rachel Bilzell, remember her and the head of NASHP, all of them.

And the millions of other people who

understand

that identity is the touchstone of the American experience today, and they're going to find the proper identity or craft it or invent it if necessary.

Right.

Well, you got to, I remember from a long time ago, there were two very, you couldn't be more Irish than these two Boston firemen.

They claimed

they were Hispanic or part Black, whatever.

And they used it to get promotions, but, you know, they understood a long time ago that this is the game.

And even someone like her, right?

I guess if she could add, she's, you know, something on the sexual front, one of the LGBT.

So I'm a woman, I'm Jewish, I'm Indian.

But when you have so many identities, what are you?

Yeah, well, you're everything, as I said, and then you have no identity, except I guess the subtext that's not spoken is all of these multiple identities have the common denominator that you're not so-called white.

And that was, again, the great achievement for the left-wing of Barack Obama when he took that rather arcane term diversity and he mainstreamed it by redefining marginalized or oppressed groups as non-white.

So suddenly it was no longer a 12, 88% binary between African Americans and so-called white people, but anybody,

the Cuban-American aristocrat, the Nigerian doctor, the Argentine professor, you name it,

the South Korean Orthodontist, all of them now had claims against the majority culture as being diverse.

It really supplanted affirmative action.

It wasn't based on any historical claims of bias or deprivation or victimhood or contemporary citation of ongoing racism directed toward these people.

And yet, that's where we are today.

Everybody's got to be diverse.

I think it's like a game of poker, too.

Like Victoria, you know, oh, you have a pair of kings.

Well, I have a full house.

It's this intersectionality.

Intersectional.

That's it.

Yeah.

Well,

let's talk about something that's very important to you,

and that's Strategica.

As we've mentioned in the past, Strategica is an online journal at the Hoover Institution that you oversee.

You're essentially the editor-in-chief.

And every few weeks,

you take historians

take

a look at current events through the eyes of historians, and you have a major piece, and then you have a couple of comments.

And what you've tackled now at Strategica issue 79, and that's Strategica.

It's free.

I suggest listeners, check it out at Hoover Institution's website.

It's border security.

And the lead piece

is by Williamson Murray, who gives a historical view of what have borders meant through history.

Seemed to be much more important and defining and of national security implications in the 20th century.

I may have misread it, but Victor, you have his piece and you have Moyer and Nadia Shadlow, our two respondents, or complementary pieces on border security.

So would you talk about this issue 79 of Strategica?

Well, Williamson-Murray was arguing that border security was integral to Rome, at least until the fourth and fifth centuries AD, when it started to fall apart, And that in the subsequent two millennia of Western civilization, the idea of a border either solidified or waned depending on the type of political organization, say the Middle Ages or something when there were not secure borders.

But the idea of having a powerful nation state, whether ancient Rome or modern France, was contingent on having clear and defined borders.

And what borders said is everybody within here have the same language, the same values, the same agendas.

And we're not able

to incorporate everybody within this.

And when people tried to expand those borders, like Napoleon, for example, or Hitler, it was very difficult to do that.

So borders is a, it's a sign of humility.

that we can promote democracy if we're Americans and the American constitutional system within our borders.

But if we don't have borders, we're just simply not able to assimilate, amalgamate, integrate millions of people that come from vastly different systems.

And here's the key, in perpetual motion insight toward the United States, it's not a one-off Eastern European or Italian-American experience.

It's constant because you have no border.

And that was sort of what I took away from Williamson's essay.

The other essays are pretty much explaining both contemporarily why it's important for Ukraine to have borders.

And when you have a netherland and the dumb boss between Russia and Ukraine, what is it?

And that's what the fight is now coming down to.

What defines Ukraine and what defines Russia?

And

one side is going to win or lose.

There's either going to be a Ukrainian border that includes it or excludes it.

or there's going to be an independent country or a puppet state, but it's going to be centered around the idea of borders.

I I don't know why we don't get that.

And

again, not to beat a dead horse, but if somebody goes back and reads the speeches delivered at the 1992 and 96 Clinton Democratic Conventions, you will hear impassioned speeches by Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi about the need to patrol and secure the southern border.

Now, they did it for political reasons.

That was when there was still a union movement in things like building trades and

and you know auto war

cesar chavez yeah caesar chavez and they yeah operate caesar chavez sent armed you know people with clubs down to the border to physically stop illegal aliens so that was then this is now we live in a borderless society and so and it filters down So when I walk, I mean, what's happening down at the border, whether in California or in Texas, if I walk around my little 42-acre almond orchard, once a month I'm going to see somebody walking across

who doesn't speak a word of English, doesn't understand any of the local customs and traditions about just walking onto somebody's property.

And, you know,

I'm not exaggerating, Jack, but about three years ago, I was walking through the orchard, and it was the weirdest thing in the world.

There was a dugout and a piece of board and dirt over it and it was a person um from mexico living in a hole and he'd put like a trapdoor and i walked up to him and i said you know this is very in broken spanish there's a tractor coming through here they're going to crush you and then i got very upset and i talked to people and they said that he had done the same thing at another person

another time i went through an irrigation ditch these irrigation dishes are open and there were whole families,

you know, bathing their children in this mossy irrigation dish and taking detergent, which is not good for the crops and pouring tide and things into it, and then hand washing and beating the clothes and hanging them up.

So, this is a new experience when you don't have borders.

And how do you acclimatize everybody?

I don't know.

I don't know who they are.

I don't know how they came here.

I have no intrinsic objection if they came here legally, but there's no vetting process.

I don't know whether the person that was living in the hole had been a murderer in southern Mexico or outstanding mayor of the town.

I have no idea.

But not that I need to know, but I need to know somebody in the United States knows.

And I know that somebody in the United States doesn't know.

Okay.

That's a good point, Jack, because I think

one thought that sort of ties up everything we've been talking about recently is not just they don't care, but they don't care about your existential fate.

If you're in Los Angeles, as I think happened lately, and there's a hit and run, and somebody hits you, and because they're undocumented, they leave the scene of the accident and your child dies, or you're injured, Mr.

Gascon doesn't care.

He's not going to prosecute that person because he doesn't care about you.

And if somebody comes into your house and shoots you and was let out just hours before, as it can be, they don't care.

They being the nomenclatura that are not subject to the consequences of their own ideology.

We have created a bicostal, for the large part, elite, and they're like no other elite in the history of civilization.

They've got more money, they've got more influence, they've got more power.

But whether

their soul brothers are medieval kings, or the aristocracy of the landed gentry in France and

Britain about 18, you you know, 1750, they don't care.

They don't care.

Victor, I'm pulling a fast one here, but

there is an election, a mayoral primary coming up in Los Angeles.

I should have looked this up before we

recorded here, but it seems to me that there's

a non-liberal who may prevail.

Have you followed that race at all?

I haven't really.

I just,

you know, I know that I think her name is London Breed.

She's

typical of the San Francisco culture that's led to the disaster.

Now, unlike some of the more harder left candidates, she's trying to

make up for lost time.

But the whole state is run

by

two or three zip codes.

These are the zip codes that produce Camela Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Gavin Newsom.

And they come out of a particular malieu.

It's sort of like the plantation class of the Old South.

About 300,000 people ran the entire 11 million person Old South.

And they were incestuous, they were interconnected, they were fabulously rich.

And that's who runs California.

It's the people who have ties, money ties

with Silicon Valley, $6 trillion in market capitalization, and political ties

with Sacramento.

And they run the state.

But I think that, as we saw with that school board recall election, I think there's something in the air.

There's a change that people said, you know,

that this, whatever this is, it's hard to describe what it is, but it cannot go on.

And this chase of Boudin can't go on, because if it goes on, too many people who are important are going to ultimately and finally and eventually get killed or maimed or their children are.

They don't care if it happens to us, but eventually this stuff gets so out of control that it starts to lap up in Presidio Heights or Knob Hill,

you know, Pacific Heights.

or Mill Valley,

places like that.

And it cannot go on when that happens.

And you're starting to see, I noticed, Jack,

I'm in an area where both the Democratic and Republican candidates for state assembly, state senate, congressional candidates are for the most part Hispanic, Mexican-American.

I don't like the word Hispanic.

They're Mexican-American.

But what's interesting in the campaign literature that inundates my mailbox is that the Democratic candidates I mean, they mouth things like climate change and all that, but they all, their number one selling point for their candidacy is they're tough on crime.

I'm a crime fighter.

I am, you know, Hilario Gonzalez, and I'm for expanded

social services.

I'm expanded community services, but I'm a crime fighter.

That's new.

I'm a crime fighter.

And that tells me that they're terrified that the Mexican-American voter is terrified of what they've done is going to vote non-democratic.

So now they're posing at this 11th hour.

They're crime fighters

victor i want to talk a little more about uh california and by the way the the guy i was thinking of and i just looked him up while you were talking is uh uh rick caruso a billionaire republican turned democrat that's in la right yeah that's the la race yeah so uh we can talk about that uh uh next time we record but before before we talk more about california just back to strategic quickly would you just tell us who is um

williamson Murray?

What is his strength as a historian?

I've known him.

I think he's known

to his friends and colleagues as Wick, W-I-C-K.

He was a student

in the late 1960s, early 70s of Donald Kagan at Yale.

That's how I met him.

But I think as early as the late 80s, early 90s, there was something called the Cambridge Illustrated History of Warfare, where I think Wick did four chapters and I did three.

And so we got to be friends.

But he's been a distinguished military historian.

And I think he's best known among military historians as the top English-speaking English writing historian of a Luftwaffe.

And he co-authored a book, The War to be Won, about World War II.

It's very good.

And

he's just a storehouse of knowledge.

And he was the one that really made the argument that what collapsed Germany was,

and this was very controversial at the time.

We had the idea that strategic bombing was a failure.

And he articulated very carefully that it was an utter failure in daylight unescorted bombing raids in early 1942 up until

early 44, mid-1944.

But at that point, with the onset of fighter escort and improved tactics, and more importantly, the attrition of the Luftwaffe, in other words, they were bombing airfields, they were bombing air plants,

P-51s were shooting down BF-109s and Falkwuff's 190s, and there were poorly trained pilots.

So the German pilot of 1944 was as poor in comparison with his American counterpart as he had been excellent in 1942.

And then he made the other subtle argument that tragically, the expertise that allowed America to hone their skills was accrued through

trial and error.

I mean, they didn't know what they were doing in 1942.

In mid-1944, B-17 squadrons knew exactly what they were going to do.

And he was suggesting that tragically they went through hell to acquire that knowledge.

But once they acquired that knowledge, they destroyed

the Luftwaffe.

And that meant no air cover for German ground forces, which facilitated the

less than a year from the beaches of Normandy to the destruction of the Third Reich.

So he's a very good historian.

Okay.

Thanks for that.

Victor, we'll move back to California as a topic, and we'll talk about

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Victor, this is irrelevant to everything we were talking about, but I had just wanted to mention this.

While you were away during Memorial Day, I was listening to our friend Megan Kelly, who's got a great podcast.

And she did a two-hour interview with Dakota Meyer, who had been awarded the Medal of Honor.

And it was just a fascinating and riveting and really inspiring discussion.

So

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It's really good stuff.

So

Victor, our friends at California Policy Center, they do great work fighting labor unions in the state.

It's kind of a David and Goliath situation there.

But from time to time, they take on the water issue.

Ed Ring, who is the former president of a California Policy Center, has just commenced a 10-part series.

And

we've talked about water before.

I'm curious about what the situation is on the, literally on the ground

there in early June.

But I do want to restate very quickly before you comment, Victor, that people like me on the East Coast totally,

I mean, I've been attuned to this now, but totally ignorant that water is an issue, that it matters, that it matters to much of the country.

We think of water, we turn on the faucet and it's there.

No one considers it

some kind of a commodity or a resource.

It's just a thing that's there.

So this kind of East Coast arrogance about water that is night and day from what you and fellow residents of California experience.

The food that's on our table here in Milford, Connecticut, a lot of it comes from the Central Valley.

You would think Washington policymakers would pay more attention to water as the important issue it deserves to be.

Anyway, Victor, that's my little spiel, but

what's happening right now in California with the water situation?

Well, we're in another drought.

We didn't have a drought two and a half years ago.

We had one of the wettest years in history.

We had one of the wettest Decembers in history.

I went up 7,200 feet to a house I have in the Sierra and my wife and I spent hours snowblowing and clearing all of the dry, the area around the house.

It was just, I think it was six feet of snow, but then it didn't rain.

The high pressure area solidified off the coast of California and those storms that come from Japan and Australia and they come across the Pacific in the winter were diverted northward up to Alaska or Washington.

So we're in a drought.

But the thing to remember about it is,

for some reason, Jack,

I'm being facetious, but two-thirds of Californians live where one-third of the precipitation is.

They do not want to live up in Eureka.

where it's wet as can be.

They want to live on the picturesque California coast from La Jolla to Berkeley.

There is no water there.

There's very few aquifers.

There's no snowpack.

And it's fine if you want to put a million people there or 2 million or 3 million in the 1920s and 30s and 40s.

I mean, they do have some aquifers.

They had Hetch Hetchy, they had first-generation water projects to bring it.

But if you want to accommodate a lot of people, you need something like the California Water Project.

That is to go up north and tap the American, the Feather River, the Kalama, all of those rivers and bring them down through the California aqueduct.

Okay,

the problem is that

our grandfathers were geniuses and envisioned that one day California would be as it is today, 41 million people.

So they had a stage development of building reservoirs up in the high Sierras, up in the middle Sierras, up in the low foothills, and aqueduct repair and the peripheral canal, etc.

What I'm getting at is they had a plan to make the impossible continue to work, i.e., a desert that is the richest agricultural state in the Union.

Fresno County, where I'm speaking from, is the richest county as far as the value of its produce in the United States.

They had a plan to make that sustainable from

when they did it, 15 million people to 20 to 25 to 30 to 35 to 40.

But they didn't count on one thing,

the rise of the progressive mind and the idea that all the affluence, all the leisure that they enjoy was their birthright, and they could tamper with nature.

And that by tamper with nature, I mean not build any new reservoirs since 1982, 83.

New Malona's Reservoir, I think, was the last major non-city of Los Angeles project.

or let out 80% of the water on a normal year out to the delta to make sure that the delta smelt is oxygenated or

cancel,

you know, cut off water for

that have long contractual agreements with California Water Project and give it to for other purposes other than recreation or flood control, hydroelectric power.

And I mean by that is

turning, making sure that rivers are 19th century scenic and beautiful.

I think that's a noble idea as well as spending $50,000 per salmon to make sure the salmon get back up to the Sierra.

But you can't do that with 40 million people in a drought if you'd never finish these projects.

And now we're fighting over, I mean, they just canceled another

seawater conversion distillation project.

So we're not going to do that anymore.

These are stopgap measures.

I mean, they're good for municipal water usage.

But the idea that you're going to convert seawater to freshwater on a massive scale for 40 million people and agriculture is very hard.

So what we're looking at to distill this conversation is that

the richest

state in the Union in agricultural terms that gives us about 100 crops, everything from cotton to nuts to tomatoes to peaches to grapes.

to rice to wheat,

that's not going to be there.

We're going to start to see massive acreages taken out of production.

And right about, if you look at the state and you have a dividing line right down the middle longitudinally, everything to the east that's within the Sierra Nevada watershed will survive for a while because they have an aquifer from eons of snowmelt.

But everything to the west,

where the water table can be a thousand feet and more and is dependent on vast water transfers from Northern California,

they're not going to get that anymore, both due to policy and to the drought this year.

And so that land, if it doesn't have an ability to pump down 1,500 feet and get a sub-grade quality of water at very low volume, they're going to go out of production.

And you can already see it right now.

And you add into the equation that California has 1.2 million acres of almonds and almond prices are historical low.

They're not even.

So, why would somebody pump at $1,000 or $2,000 plus per acre feet to lose money?

And so, you're already seeing vast numbers of almonds going out of production.

A lot of people will say good,

but that land could be used for other crops.

That's what agriculture is.

It shifts to market realities.

When there's a good price, people overplant, and when the prices are bad, they pull and adjust.

It's not going to happen, is what I'm trying to say.

And food prices are going to go up.

Just to give you an idea of what's happening, I drove,

we drove on the way home from San Francisco Airport and Palo Alto.

We drove home yesterday

and we stopped at a very famous Casa de Fruit on 152.

I grew up as it was a little fruit stand.

Now it's a huge complex of, I think you've been there, Jack, before.

It's got service stations, it's got restaurants, it's got kitty amusement, it's got everything trailer park, but it's still famous for its fresh produce.

I walked in, it's pretty crowded summer day.

There was almost nobody buying fresh fruit.

I thought, this is weird.

And there was a couple of people that were patrolling.

I'd never seen that before.

I thought, well, wow, we don't have shoplifting laws in California, but apparently they were looking.

And you know why they were looking?

I looked at cherries.

Take a guess what cherries were per pound at a

wholesale

11.

$11.

What were peaches?

$4.95.

What were grapes?

$5.95.

I've never seen anything like that.

I know it's the early season, but nobody could afford it.

Nobody was buying them, but I think people were afraid that people were going to go in there and just start eating them

quite off the shelf.

We're seeing things as we've talked about in earlier broadcasts that we've never seen before.

To get people to pick a grape is about $18 to $22 an hour.

And to get water is about seven times the usual cost.

And we're the most expensive continental state in terms of kilowatt charges in the United States.

So you're telling these farmers, your labor is going to go up three times.

Your power has tripled over the last 20 years.

The regulations have tripled.

And you're not going to get any surface water if you don't have an aquifer.

And the people who are surviving that find that there's still a demand.

Guess what?

People like to eat healthy, fresh fruit.

And almost all of it comes, not all of it, but a great deal of it, especially in a long growing season, comes from California.

And so I think we're going to see things as we keep saying when I wrote and I keep referencing that column, we're going to see things this summer and fall we've never seen before.

And I think we're getting to the point right now that the typical American class family cannot afford a steak, ribeye steak, can't afford it.

Maybe on festive occasions they can cook some chuck steaks,

and they're not going to be able to afford fresh grapes or peaches or plums or nectarin.

I don't think they're going to be able to afford it.

And that's really disturbing because in a much poorer time that I grew up, the 1950s, that was sort of an American birthright: that you had fresh, nutritious, clean food that was the lowest price in the world, and that was the basis of the middle-class family existence.

That there was affordable housing and affordable food, and that freed up the rest of your family budget for you know entertainment, education, transportation.

But that's not going to happen anymore.

We're going backwards.

And again, like you and I keep banging the drum, it's by intent.

You know, the era of limited limits, limits, limits,

spatial.

You didn't have to have

lower your expectations.

Wow.

Well,

Victor,

that's discouraging and depressing.

Again, folks who are listening, I hope you're still listening.

California Policy Center.

That is the website.

I think it's Cal Policy Center.

You can Google it.

And

Ed Ring is the author of this 10-part series on water.

And even if you don't come out, haven't they?

Yeah, first two.

They're very good.

They're very well written and they're very well argued and they're very well researched.

Yeah, one of the right one of the second parts is

this

call to

limit the use on a household basis.

And someone is pushing for even like 40, 40 gallons per household per day.

And

there are consequences to that.

You talk about people should lower their expectations.

You have long hair.

Good luck taking a shower long enough to shampoo your hair and clean it.

They don't even understand that.

Washing machines.

You know, the clothes come out stinky and smelly because you can't use enough water.

They don't understand that, you know, there's certain rules of physics.

So everybody likes to conserve water, but if you can't flush a bowel movement, you flush twice.

And the way sewage systems work is they require a degree of volume to push the solid waste through the sewage system.

And these are all age-old design truths.

And we come along and say, on this area, we're going to violate common sense and let water go out or not build dams.

But then we're going to make it up on the back end by changing the rules of building science and age-old sewage science.

And it's very hard to do that.

And that's what we're trying to do.

And, you know, that's not going to cut it.

If you want to save water,

about 15% of water is domestic use in California.

It's a huge amount of water, but you're going to have to idle acreage.

And I mean vast amounts of acreage.

And that's what we're doing.

We're starting to see now.

I drive across the east and west side when I go to work in Palo Alto.

I'm seeing, I either see land that's not being farmed or orchards and vineyards that are being torn out.

And, you know, when I grew up,

that was called the west side.

And my dad, every once in a while, would say, okay, you boys, let's try out the 22 automatic or semi-automatic, excuse me, or let's go out and shoot stuff.

And we drive out to this unchartered wasteland.

And there were coyotes and valley fever and tumbleweeds.

And most of it wasn't even fenced.

And people, you know, there was some pasturage and cattle raising, but it was parched desert.

And it was very rich soil, but nobody had any water because the water table was 1,500 feet below the surface in many places.

And then John F.

Kennedy and B.F.

Sisk and all these other, and Jerry Brown's dad, Pat Brown, they got together and said, we're going to transfer all this water and stop flooding in the north and turn the west side into a Garden of Eden.

And that was pretty operative from 1962

until basically jerry brown came upon the scene and then people said this is unnatural and we want it to revert they should remember what happens when it reverts though

it's kind of like the australian outback uh but it's not a healthy place to live right

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So, Victor, you wrote a piece, it would be last week at the time this is being broadcast, two days ago, two days from when we are actually recording.

It's called Trumpology.

And you're talking about,

you know, essentially, here's one of the simple questions: so will Donald Trump run.

It has to do with

how the catastrophe of Biden's administration has made a potential Trump run slash victory in 2024.

It's really made that much more feasible.

But you also talk about

some of Donald Trump's doings in recent primaries.

I don't think in here is talk about what happened in Georgia.

Well, let's talk about the column itself and your thoughts about where Donald Trump is now, how he's played his hand politically,

what you think might be his future.

But then I'd also like to talk separately about

the recent Georgia primaries, not so much because Trump, quote unquote, lost there.

Sonny Perdue, his candidate, lost to

the incumbent governor in the Republican primary.

But I do think it has some larger implications for Trump's future.

Anyway, Richter, you wrote this piece.

Tell us about it.

Well, it starts with the assumption that after the january 6th i'm not going to get into the politics of that after the january 6th buffoonish takeo riot whatever you want to call it and then after the wipeout in georgia that a lot of people blame trump

and then the lynn wood um

Sidney Powell Kraken theatrics, Trump's political capital, despite a fabulous record, was at a low.

And everybody assumed that Joe Biden was cognizant, cognitively there, and therefore he would take this successful Trump agenda on energy, the economy, the border, foreign policy.

And as is his want, as a plagiarizer, he would plagiarize it and just say, I did it.

Now he tried with the vaccine, but he didn't.

Instead, he turned and said, whatever Trump did, I'm going to do the opposite and destroyed it.

And he's now

suffering historic you know some of these polls 34 35 percent approval rating and independence it's even lower

like 23 24 percent it's a disaster and as people contrast trump's record with biden and they see that for all trump's tweets

would you rather have

you know, affordable gas, a safe border, a coherent foreign policy, and a mad tweeter, Or would you rather have a madman like Joe Biden and a disaster?

And so the result of all that, Jack, is that Trump in polls is now beating Biden, and he's beating Harris.

Not by a lot, but because of the media.

I mean, he'll never beat anybody by a lot because the entire media and our institutional infrastructure is against him.

But that's a stunning reversal.

So then it opens the question, is he going to run again?

And then I discuss various pros and cons.

One of the things is that our 70s and 80s are not the new 50s and 60s, as baby boomers say.

We keep saying, I'm 68,

and I thought I could just get through Omicron like nothing, and I can't.

And

Donald Trump is going to be 79.

And look at the people.

that are leading our country that are septogenarians and octogenarians.

Diane Feinstein, 89.

Nancy Pelosi, 81.

Joe Biden, 79.

They're not reassuring affirmations of longogenivity.

And I can get into other people.

You'll say, well, how about this person?

But it's still,

Donald Trump's age will be a factor and his health will be a factor too.

And so what is the pros and cons of him running?

And I think that because of the changing political situation, there's a very good chance that he could run and he could win.

Is he going to announce?

I think he's going to wait until, as he says, the midterms, and then we're going to watch.

If it's a very close midterm,

I don't think it will be.

There will be calls to say, we can have sunshine without the Trump sun.

We can have a DeSantis, we can have a Pompeo, we can have a Tom Cotton, we can have all these people because they're all going to follow the Trump agenda.

It's impossible in the party post-Trump to run on Jeb Bush's open borders or to run on accommodating China and the corporate world or

not to develop and war

or

to compromise on crime, just a different party or the idea that the market always adjudicates in Youngstown, Ohio, you just write it off.

They're a bunch of dopez and that's it.

No, that's over with the Bush.

uh Romney version of the Republican Party.

So that begs the question then,

well, if that's over and Trump institutionalized, you see, there's kind of a paradox jock.

If he institutionalized Trumpism,

then institutionalized means you don't need the guy who did it because he left a framework to people to operate it within.

And so

will that mean that there'll be calls to say, well, we can have

a Trump party, but we don't have to have a lightning rod because the left is in retreat.

So all we need is a guy who fights like Trump, i.e.

DeSantis or Pompeo, but doesn't have the personal baggage.

I'm not advocating one viewer or the other before people who listen to get mad.

I'm just trying to, in the article, I was trying to frame the landscape.

And then, of course, others will say, ah, well, you guys told us that with Scott Walker, the ideal governor took on the unions, teachers, et cetera, et cetera.

Great governor, hands-on experience, and he fizzled on the debate stage.

So we don't know what these people will do under pressure.

We do know that Trump will fight.

So that's the pro and con of whether it's going to run.

I think if the midterms are close,

he probably won't run.

I don't think they will be.

If there's a landslide, I think the argument that you have to moderate or you have to win independent voters will be less because of the huge dissatisfaction as evidence in the midterms with Joe Biden and the left.

And then the question is:

as I end the column,

there's two things everybody wants: They want the Trump agenda,

and because it got results, I think with one caveat, there has to be monetary discipline.

We spent too much money under Trump that we didn't have.

But then the question is, we want somebody who fights, that takes on not just the status quo, accepts the status quo.

The woke movement has advanced the country so far the left, there has to be a correction, not a stasis.

They have to bring it back to the middle or center right where the country is.

And that means you need somebody who fights.

And you might not have to play by the markers of Queensbury rules.

They don't want that anymore.

They want somebody who fights.

But

the stakes are so high, they don't want somebody

who fights, who gets in these cul-de-sacs arguments or makes fun of people or gets the left all stirred up

about a crazy thing.

It's not important.

So then that finally, and I'm I'm getting windy.

Sorry.

My COVID derangement.

Finally, you get to the question, well,

that what is Trump going to do?

Is he Trump 2.0 where he says, you know what?

I'll never again trust those SOBs like James Comey

or Anthony Fauci.

I understand the deep state now.

When I'm in there, I'm going to hit the ground running.

I'm going to get a team that understands the swamp.

I'm not going to get involved with all these psychodramas.

I know the media is going to hate me.

I accept that, but I'm going to

get tough.

I don't have one moment to detour.

And so they want a person that tough, but they do not want someone.

The Republicans don't want someone when they're walking and the news says that the president just, you know, did something.

It's irrelevant.

So that's where we are.

I would try to be non-committal or neutral because I don't know how we all feel, but when I give lectures,

when I'm invited to speak, I should say, at the end of the lecture, I always ask, so how many are for the Trump agenda?

Everybody is.

And then should Donald Trump run?

And that response is more mixed.

These are hardcore conservatives.

Right.

Victor,

on that very point, and I talked about the Georgia elections, and I received some data yesterday about the turnouts from the primaries.

So again, Trump's, Donald Trump's candidate, former Senator Sonny Perdue, who

lost the special elections in January.

And this is where it all, you know, does Donald Trump own the two lost Senate seats from January?

And I think the data lends itself to that case.

There were 400,000, according to these studies, 400,000 disenfranchised, so to say, that's in quote conservatives who did not vote in January of 2021

in those special elections.

And just a very small number of them would have made a difference.

But there was a real effort to

energize Republican voters in the last year.

I think Joe Biden did a lot to help energize that.

And

comparing apples and apples, the primaries from 2018 and the primaries in 2022 showed nearly like a 98% increase in Republican turnout and significant new numbers of registered Republican voters among

black Hispanic communities.

So

anyway,

interesting,

interesting data.

I think I'm going to write about this and we can talk about it next time.

But I think the data lends itself a little bit to the, again, to the disappointment of what happened in georgia in those elections and donald trump's uh

a role in it that may be connecting a dot too far no i i saw the data i think you're exactly right i think it it reflects two realities that

when

he didn't go down to georgia quickly

and campaign and try to appeal on his record to suburban voters, especially women, at the same time,

he

harked and said that you couldn't trust the integrity of the voting.

Maybe true, maybe not, but that was the bad, that was a message to his hardcore supporter that was interpreted as no matter what you do, your vote's not going to count.

So why get out and vote in a special election?

And that was a one-two punch where he lost.

He didn't get 50% of the suburban voter in the suburbs around, say, Atlanta.

And he lost the hardcore rural voter who would have voted for him, but was sort of so depressed by the general election and the

Trump's emphasis on fraud that they thought there was futile to even go out and take the effort.

And he got blamed for that.

And

that was very important, Jack, because

you win one.

of those two seats.

We're talking about Georgia and the candidates

were not centrist old time.

They were hardcore leftists.

They were well financed.

They had all sorts of PAC money to get the vote out.

And what you essentially did is you turned over the U.S.

government to the hardcore left, because had just one of those two Republican candidates won,

the Senate would have been Republican, and they could have stopped this nonsense.

And instead, they won the Senate with the vote of Camilla Harris and the rest is history.

I had written a lot about that.

And I had said, you know what, stop.

I'd said that on Fox News.

You've got to stop replaying the election.

Just take a hiatus.

There's plenty of time to go back and adjudicate all the things that were done wrong, whether in terms of the Trump campaign or the inattention to changing the voting laws or some real stories of irregularities.

There's plenty of time.

But right now, at this moment, does everybody understand you're going to lose control of the U.S.

government?

you're going to turn it over to the hardest left core bunch of zealots we've seen since the 1930s so stop and and and he didn't do that and you know further and a lot of data you'll see also i think there's some stuff from nevada people don't change parties very often for an election but we're but when they do

pollsters often look at the trends.

I think it's four to one

that four times more Democrats are re-registering as Republicans than Republicans are re-registering as Democrats.

So, all of these little

things in the air are telling us that this could be 1994 or 2010 or 1938, a radical realignment.

I mean, radical.

And if

I don't think the Democrats

understand

that dwelling on Roe B.

Wade or talking about banning nine millimeter hand,

it's not going to do it.

You've got to tell the American people, you're hurting on inflation, and this is what I'm going to do before the election.

This is what I'm going to get, you know, pumping out of the strategic oil reserve is not going to do it.

We just, as we discussed, I don't think on this podcast, another one, he says, Americans are comfortable financially.

If he's, he's, he's such a liar.

Oh, yeah.

If he could finish the wall and say, this is the Biden wall.

Right.

Yeah.

All he had to do was say, you know what, Trump fixed an existing wall.

And he did.

He didn't get a lot done.

He couldn't with the opposition on the new wall, but the Biden wall is all brand new area, but he won't do that.

And

so

he's going to go down and he's going to destroy.

the Democratic Party for generations.

And they deserve it.

And it's going to be welcome news to the majority of Americans because these people,

again, I'll just finish with that refrain: they don't care.

They simply don't care about people.

Right.

Well, James Buchanan's legacy will be

happy about Joe Biden.

That's probably the only person.

And he's dead.

Hey, Victor, that's about all the time we have.

I just want to read one quick comment as and our listeners, many listeners go to Apple podcasts.

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But

lots of people leave, rate the show.

It's a nearly five-star rating that we have, and that's because of Victor's

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We do read them.

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It's all one word, but that's what it looks like.

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Oh boy, Victor, I got to start this.

I think what someone is, there's too many typhos into this thing.

Maybe you're so you have my COVID during.

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it right over COVID fingers but they want to nominate you like this japanese tradition of declaring someone a national living a living national treasure and if that the living part i don't feel like i'm living right now but if i am i i i'll take that yeah well your ghost is doing a good job yeah

well anyway it's it's it's a kind uh that's a kind high honor for how much you you uh you mean to this listener and i think to most listeners so i appreciate that yeah so hey Victor, thanks.

I know we recorded two podcasts today.

Again, we're recording on Saturday and you did this with jet lag and still recovering.

I'm waiting for the magic listener, Jack, who emails and says,

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And then guess what?

I took this pill and I I woke up well I had a dream like that's what I'm reporting well

but this is the weirdest thing I've ever had

well

look this is a purgatorial uh last couple of weeks there's no question no question about it five days and I've been home 10 so but that's recklessness and stupidity on my part put your feet up all right thanks thanks to all our listeners for for listening and we'll uh we'll be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis Hansen show Bye-bye.

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