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This is the weekend edition, and we try to do something different, but I think we have a little bit of news stories to go through.

This weekend edition will be on racializing everything, is what I would call it.

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Welcome back.

I usually forget to say who I am.

I'm Sammy Wink, and Victor is the Martin and Illy Anderson Senior Fellow in Classics and Military History at the Hoover Institution, and the Wayne and Marcia Buskie Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

Victor, how are you doing today?

I'm doing very well.

I want to try to calm down.

I got a little animated in our last session.

Out of character.

That is out of character.

I was more farming Victor on an old Oliver tractor on the 11th hour boiling over than I was Victor in the faculty lounge going, wow, you know, that kind of

so, okay.

So I think the subject today is just everybody's beginning to notice all the racializing of everything, whether it's antiviral drugs or other medical treatment or racial quotas in hiring or student admissions and housing and safe spaces at the university.

So lots of, I'm calling it racializing, segregating populations.

We could go so far as maybe to call it apartheid.

going on and I was thinking that maybe you could talk today a little bit about what is the goal of the left in all of this racial segregation and then look maybe at who's supporting it.

How long do we think people are going to continue on with this

Black Lives Matter that in the aftermath of George Floyd went up to about 55% approval?

In a Harvard Harris poll, it's 57% disapproved.

Even in a left-wing Civitas poll, it failed to get 50%.

So people don't like this.

And And you're talking specifically about the New York Department, New York City Department of Health that has decided to have a scorecard of allotment points.

So if you're old or have a comorbidity or a particular race, you get more points.

It seems that race is the most prominent.

And as I said earlier in the broadcast, it would mean that if you're very, very healthy and you're a South American aristocrat who's very wealthy and you came to the United States as a a legal resident, you are a person of color, even if you're a blue-eyed, blonde-haired Brazilian, true you are or whatever.

And if you're Joe Smith, a retired taxicab driver in his 70s, who's white, then he will step aside for a life-giving new antiviral drug from Pfizer, $700 a pill, even though it might save his life and it will be of no value or won't help much to the Spanish-speaking aristocrat.

I'm taking an extreme case, but you can see what happens when you go down that race thing.

The other thing is, Sammy, when we started, this whole thing started when I was in high school in the 1960s.

And we were told that the new affirmative action, the Bonkey case, I think was the early 71 or 72, was kind of a cowardly way out.

But we were told that there would be a few decades where racial preferences, and you couldn't call them that, they were called affirmative action, would be necessary to bridge the gap.

Well, the great society is now about $14 trillion and we're into over a half century of racial preferences.

And rather than this waning, it's intensifying.

And the old joke was that, well, everybody has no problem with affirmative action for English professors or classics professors, kind of insult to professors, because merit doesn't matter anyway.

They're all boring.

So we're just going to pick by race.

But we never do it with airline pilots or cases of life and death.

And guess what?

United Airlines announced a diversity, equity, and inclusion program where I think it's 50% of the trainees are going to be based on race, and those are going to be pilots.

And so when you start dealing with life and death industries and you start dealing with life and death medicines and you start to exclude people on the basis of race then you don't have a country and I say that because we passed something called the 1964

Civil Rights Act and I read it very carefully I think it's section four

it says no public agency shall discriminate or show bias on the basis of race in its extension of services or as a public servant.

In other words, you can't do what the New York City Health Department did.

It's illegal, and yet they're still doing it.

And I don't know why that is.

I don't know why a federal judge hasn't issued an injunction, but it's illegal.

So

that's one thing.

The second thing, very quickly, is you know, the Confederacy, I wrote an article about that, the new Confederate States.

And remember what the old Confederacy was?

Alexander Stevens, the vice president of the newly formed Confederacy, said the following, basically.

Again, I'm just doing it ad hoc.

The problem with you Northerners and your Constitution is you didn't mention white supremacy and white race.

In fact, you didn't mention race at all.

But we here in the South, this new Confederacy will be based on the superiority of white people.

And we're going to, and basically he was right.

There were all sorts of racial categories.

And that...

for a time that hiatus of the reconstruction ended with then the implementation of jim crow and and the Ku Klux Klan, and you had a racialized society.

And what does that mean, Sammy?

It means that people were cognizant of the percentage of non-white blood they had.

And 1 16th damned you to a discriminatory position in society.

And

the Confederacy was formed by the refusal of people in the South to obey federal laws or to claim that federal post offices or armories were their own.

In other words, they nullified federal laws.

And remember, in addition to this, there was legalized segregation, bathrooms, safe spaces, etc.

So where are we?

You know, 100 and what, 55, 60 years later, we're going back to theme dorms.

We call them theme houses, but they're racially segregated dorms where you can pick the racial profile in many colleges of your future roommate.

I was at Cal State Fresno.

I I think they had four different racially segregated graduations.

And

there are places on the Stanford campus and University of Colorado, all of these campuses that are safe spaces where people of particular races are urged or not prohibited from going to.

And then we have people who are actually, when they send in their applications, they send in DNA tests.

This is, you know, kind of a cult thing, but it happens.

You know where that all started, though?

If I can just take it even back for they used to have women's colleges and you would still hear this today or even the women private high schools and they would say well we need to have these women only because otherwise men come in and dominate the scene and it's

not healthy for these

nobody had any problems with them.

There are still women's colleges.

They have black colleges.

Nobody had any problem with that either.

This was different though.

This had not happened.

This was a return to the Confederate mindset that said, one drop, even if I can't tell who you are, one drop makes you black.

One drop makes you non-white today.

And just as people in the South who are light-skinned tried to pass for mean white, so they would get the privileges of a racist society, so we have the War Churchills and the Rachel Dozells and the Elizabeth Warrens who are trying to pass as non-white to get the racial spoils of a racist society.

It's no accident.

We have 550 jurisdictions in George Wallace fashion who say federal law does not apply to Fresno County or Sacramento,

the city of Sacramento or San Francisco County.

We nullify it.

We will not allow an ICE officer in our jurisdiction to take a prisoner who's going to be released, who is here illegally.

We're not going to give them a retainer or any of that.

They cannot come in and get them.

That's against the law to do that.

550 of them.

That's exactly what the South said with George Wallace in 1963 when he said, I am not going to get out of the doorway of the University of Alabama because the federal government has taken my National Guard and said, you are federalized now.

It's a federal law that he's violating.

And guess what?

That's what we're doing now.

And can you imagine, say, at the University of Alabama in 1963 or 64 or 65 when there was integration, when people were saying, I do not want to have an African-American roommate.

And so the purpose of the whole civil rights movement was so a college student at Fitzer or Pomona in California can say, I do not want a white roommate.

That's where we are.

We don't say that, but that's where we are.

And we're segregationist society.

and trump should have just said i am going to suspend federal funds to any institution that violates the 1964 and 65 civil rights act he could have done that he should do it they should do it with the first amendment they should do it with the fourth fifth and sixth amendment of due process the universities are just flagrantly violating the law yeah so who do you think i mean it just sounds so corrupt who do you think is supporting all of this racializing of everything

I can tell you.

I'm glad you asked.

I didn't know you were going to ask that question, but I've spent a great deal of time thinking about it.

The first group are the wealthy white leftists who are intent that the consequences of their own ideology

they shall never experience or suffer from.

These are the Pelosis that live in gated estates, the Zuckerbergs that build walls around their various homes, the Feinsteins that have Chinese spies who are their chauffeurs, etc.

And what I mean by that is, if you take the New York City example that you brought up, do you really believe that left-wing people on the upper west side that make a million dollars a year and live in $4 million homes, when they come down with the sniffles of Omicron and they want to get a monopoly?

plano antibody, but more specifically a new Pfizer drug, let's say, Do you really believe that when they go down to their little clinic and they're told, sorry, you're white, get in the back of the line, that that's going to be the end of the question?

I don't.

I think they're going to get on and call the mayor or they'll call their friends and they're going to find a way to get the drug.

Just like

they're all for affirmative action, but I can tell you at many schools, I know this from first-hand knowledge: if you give about $10 to $12 million, your child, if he qualifies, will get into the university.

If you are a 4.5

GPA student from Fresno and you have almost perfect SAT scores and you are a white male and you have no money, you're not going to get into Stanford.

It's just not going to happen.

But it doesn't affect these people.

That's why they created them.

It was a psychological mechanism so they could feel good about themselves at no personal cost.

They don't hang out with people that don't look like them.

They don't go to PTA meetings with Latinos except their maids they see or their groundskeepers.

They don't work beside people of the middle classes.

They don't like the people they despise the most are working white people.

We know that from the vocabulary of disparagement, deplorables, irredeemables, dregs, no teeth, smelly Walmart, all that stuff.

And so it's aimed at those people.

So they say, we don't want those people in the university.

They're white.

But when it gets too

close to home, they say, oh my God, Johnny didn't get in.

I can't get a drug.

Well, then they start to use their privilege, and there is white privilege for them.

The other group is wealthy

minorities that are part of a half century of affirmative action.

These are people whose parents had affirmative action.

These are people who have not been near the inner city.

These are the people who cannot speak Spanish.

These are the people that are one half Spanish or Argentinian.

And so there's a whole boutique.

These are people from India that are very wealthy in my area.

So there's a whole boutique group.

And this is a fight on the Lido deck for privilege with their white bicoastal elite.

So I'm Dom Lamond and I want the better time slot.

I'm fighting with Brian Selter or something.

I, oh, I'm Oprah.

I want to get my magazine out and not that magazine out.

Or I'm somebody in Hollywood that wants this premier billing.

It's a scramble for the spoils of capitalism among the very rich who are white and say they're not white.

But does this have anything, this whole movement, to do with stopping the 800 people who were killed in Chicago?

No.

Does it have anything to do with the people on the border that are Latino or Hispanic or Mexican-American?

Their cities, their towns are overrun with people that are not tested and not vaccinated, coming in from Central America into their communities?

No.

Does this have anything to do with a very wealthy, white, guilt-ridden, bankrupt, affluent class who created this monstrosity and never suffers the consequences from it?

No, it's all directed at the white working class.

So

if you took at these universities and you asked them, what did you do in 2019,

they would tell you, as far as admissions by race, they would not tell you, but you could find out the information that about 12%,

10 to 12% were African American, about 10 to 12% were Latino, about 25%

were Asian, and then there were probably somewhere about 40 to 50% so-called white, of which 55% of all those groups were women.

So what I'm getting at is there was about

30% white male.

I mean, you take away athletes and legacies that tended to be overwhelmingly white male because there were a lot of these sports where there were not so-called people of color.

It was very hard to get in these schools if you were not a wealthy white kid or an athlete, if you were a white male.

Now,

it's about 15% of the white male population, even though they represent about 33%.

So, we are into repertory admissions.

And you know what's going to happen to these self-important, sanctimonious schools in academia?

They are getting in thousands of minority kids that have not had a chance at a competitive education or tutors or home environments.

And they are putting them into the university.

And I can tell you, after talking to academics, they're terrified because they know that if they give C's and D's that can be shown to be disproportionately given to a particular racial group, they're going to be in trouble.

But they also know that particular racial groups under this new repertory admissions policy cannot do the work that they used to assign.

So, what happens?

You either don't assign it, or you take your reading list from eight, eight authors for a semester, major works down to one or two, or you have what they call equity grading, where you don't take off for a paper turned in late, or an assignment missed or class never attended and everybody gets a C and you have no problem.

Now, if you were a faculty member trying to get your second university press book for tenure, would you just give everybody Cs

that got F's and not and be happy about it?

Or would you stand on principle and give a kid an F who's African American?

You're going to be dead in the water if you do.

And so it's insidious.

And this country was built, I know there was racism and there was classism and all that stuff, but there was a meritocracy.

And that's why Asians and Irish and Jews and black, everybody excelled eventually.

But if you destroy that meritocracy at a time when we're in an existential fight for our survival with Russia and China and Korea, it's scary because it will filter down to everything from not having competitive hypersonic weapons for deterrence to not coming up with enough people who can figure out how to win in Afghanistan.

It's going to seep into the larger society.

And I see to myself when I drive down the 99 freeway, the main longitudinal artery in Central California, indeed the whole state, I shudder because there are people who obviously didn't pass any test to be a truck driver.

They're in the middle lane going 80 miles an hour.

They have no idea.

Or they're in the left lane.

Or I see people that are weaving in and out at 90 miles an hour.

They look 15.

And every aspect of our society is starting to coarsen because we are so obsessed with diversity, diversity, inclusion.

We don't have a meritocracy because we're afraid that it would not reflect who we are.

If I could take you back to where you started, which was who's supporting this agenda, and you said, well, it's this elite culture that doesn't have to pay the consequences of their own policies, but they need the masses behind them or at least 50% of the masses behind them.

So are you, is this going to be a Plato thing where they're just stupid followers and zombies or something walking behind these elite?

Or what is their motive?

Like the other people that were in on this?

Well, first of all, race, crime are not necessarily the main issues.

When Donald Trump was president, the crime rate was still very low.

outside the inner city, but it was even lower then.

I think 550 people were being killed.

That's a horrible statistic, but it's not 800 like this year.

And people were voting on a whole array of issues, Trump's tweets, whether they were going to get a lot of money from taxes or pay a lot of money from taxes, whether they wanted free this or free, that kind of stuff.

But that stuff is starting to fade now because this issue of crime, but particularly race is starting to dominate every discussion when you can die if you're the wrong color.

You can die.

And the people who are dying are not the culpable people.

They were born.

If you hate somebody 40 years old, that person was born 10 years after the Civil Rights Act.

That person who was a white male never got one benefit of being so-called white if he was in the middle classes or lower middle classes or the white poor.

And I guarantee you my colleagues on the Stanford faculty haven't hung out with the white poor.

They should come down to Central Valley and deal with the Oklahoma diaspora kids.

they were very very poor they never had affirmative action they never will have affirmative action they have blue collar jobs they don't have college degrees many of them don't have high school diplomas they're not annoyed and the idea that you're going to tell somebody like that

that they have to stand in line so down lamon or lebron can get their pfizer pill because they've suffered so much is absolutely absurd classes class class class is the distinction, not race, not anymore.

And so they don't want to do that because so many people have made it and they're not in the lower classes, they're upper middle class, or they're very wealthy and they're not white.

And if you look at the per capita income of ethnic groups, by ethnic affiliation, I think so-called generic whites are about 17.

They're behind Chinese, they're behind Arab Americans, or behind Armenian Americans, or behind

Japanese Americans.

So they're behind Caribbean Americans or behind, I think, African Americans from Africa.

So this is, when I see Joe Biden, can I just say something, Sammy?

I want to ask, beg your permission now.

When I saw Joe Biden, I think tonight, look at that camera and then scream in that sort of confused, Septuagarian voice.

and say, pay your fair share.

And we're going to have,

people are being hurt, Latino and black and asian i thought well you're not when have you ever paid your fair share we were just told on an audit that you owed five hundred thousand dollars you got out of in payroll taxes deductions from all this money do you really think joe biden that if we summed up all the expenditures of you and your brother and your daughter and your son and your nephews and your nieces and your brothers and then we summed up all the income that came in from ukraine and burisma Burisma and China and was distributed through your Mr.

Big Guy 10%.

You think that was square the circle?

I doubt it.

I think you've spent a lot more money than income you reported.

So don't give us lectures about privilege.

And where do you think your privilege came from?

And since when are you not white?

Really gets me mad.

You know, when I first got in trouble in academia, I think was my third day.

I was a part-time teacher.

I made about $600 a month farming, 1984,

and I was so happy to get a contract for $452 a month to teach two classes.

Can you imagine that?

Latin, introductory Latin and introduction to Latin literature and translation.

And a guy came up to me.

He said, I guess you're the new classics professor.

I'm a philosophy professor, and I had a little Greek.

I said, that's very good.

Could you, first of all, are you tenured?

No, I'm not even full-time.

I'm part-time.

Well, could you just translate this for me?

I.e., it would be in your future interest to do so.

And he handed me 10 pages of Greek from a very obscure philosopher, Epiphanius, I think it was, Christian cult philosopher.

And, okay, I'll do it.

And then another person came up and the three of us were talking.

And he said, well, we've got this guy who's just a clinger on and he's an old white male guy in his 30s.

And he we're never going to hire him because we need to get more minorities and i said well what's your profile he said well you know we got nine nine white guys i said were you all hired in the 60s when jobs were begging he said yeah and i said did any of you have a phd when you came he said no we were abds all but dissertation so i said in other words you have to have a phd now but some of you were hired without a phd with an m a he said yeah and i said you're all white males he said yes.

And so you're going to deny this young white male who has a PhD and is written because you need diversity?

Well, I think that's wonderful.

Now, why don't you retire?

And how many colleagues are over the age of 65?

Oh, we have three or four.

Why don't they all quit and die on the altar of diversity?

But they never do, do they?

So this is what's the whole engine that runs this farce are a bunch of very privileged white people who virtue signal and do their little performance art, art, but they never take any consequences.

They never make any sacrifice.

And the moment they do, Sammy, this whole thing will blow up.

And that's my prediction that somebody in BLM really miscalculated because when they thought it was cute, And I'm not putting words in their mouth.

We had two women that just spoke.

I think it was the Indiana, University of Indiana Public School System, when they said, there is no such thing as crime.

It's just a construct.

Or when we had that BLM activist in Milwaukee say, hey, after Waukesha, when Mr.

Brooks killed six people, he said, this start of a revolution.

So there were people that were bragging that the crime had started to leave the inner city.

Well, that is going to boomerang because once you start hijacking wealthy white suburbanites and once you start breaking in to Whole Foods or Starbucks in a suburb, then your support's going to vanish from the the white people and the privileged white people and the segregationist white people who were your biggest benefactors.

And that's when the whole woke thing will end.

Remember about Tara Reed?

I always go back to her.

I mentioned her to you before.

Me too, me too, was fine.

It was wonderful.

We got rid of the ogres like Harvey Weinstein.

And then we started going after, you know, Matt Lauer.

And then we went after Garrison Keillor.

And then somebody mentioned George H.W.

Bush had grabbed some girl when he was president or butt or just patted her.

And then in a wheelchair, he did the same thing.

And we started getting very close to home.

And then bam,

Joe Biden, a woman, came forward and said that 30 years ago as a Senate aide, he had not just touched her, kissed her, he had sexually assaulted her.

And yet that time, the Democratic feudal was blowing up.

Bloomberg, the great savior, was fizzled out.

Nobody in their right mind wanted Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Corey Booker was nuts.

Julian Castro was a dud.

Beto was beta tized or whatever happened to him.

And Joe Biden was the great savior of the party.

And guess what?

Remember, Senator Hirono?

Women must be believed.

Now,

women must never be believed.

That accent is perfect.

It was almost like you slutted.

Why are you dare talking about that about Joe Biden?

You know, breathing down little girls' necks and all that stuff.

No, no.

So this was all created by the wealthy white liberal class and its competitors and the minority white wealthy class.

And it was a top-down phenomenon.

It said, we don't care about the inner city, poor African Americans or minorities.

And we especially cannot stand.

the white working classes who are useful to us to demonize, as Jim Lamille did, to hunt them out.

I almost vomited when I heard him say that.

You know, he's up there with all these medals and then Austin with all these medals and all of this, he's got his, what he had, a mask and he has a visor and three shots.

And we have all this performance art.

I keep saying that word.

And then they start talking about white supremacy.

What does that mean?

Does that mean you're going to go after everybody who hasn't been vaccinated because that's a profile of a white supremacist?

How do you know who's a white supremacist?

There are very few white supremacists.

There are, you know, as I said earlier, 75% of the people who died in Afghanistan and Iraq were white males when they only constitute 35% of the population.

If they want to go to college, they're going to make up about 13% of the entering class.

What's so demonic about that?

I mean, they're giving up a lot of slots on the quota system in going to college, but they're losing a lot of slots on the quota system going to Iraq.

Would General Millie say, I'm for diversity, I want to create an, an army.

I'm quoting him literally.

I'm

quoting him literally, I'm for an army that looks like America.

So I think it's about time that we pulled, I don't know, half of frontline combat troops out of war zones because we're just losing too many white males and everybody else has to share the burden.

You know what he would say?

How dare you, you racist Hansen?

We don't think like that.

That's beneath you.

Of course, that's how he thinks.

He just doesn't want to be called on.

Yeah.

Well, you have me convinced of the unpalatable ideas and policies and all the hypocrisy and lies of this elite

white left-wing leadership.

But you haven't answered my question, really, of

why these people are following them, right?

Because this was not out in the open to the egregious degree it is now, because Mark Zuckerberg and Silicon Valley and the Democratic Party, they put

about $3 billion,

$3.5 billion.

They outspent the Republicans over two and a half to one.

They controlled the media.

They controlled Wall Street.

They controlled the corporate boardroom.

They controlled entertainment.

They controlled Hollywood.

They controlled K-12.

They controlled academia.

They controlled the think tanks, the fund, the private foundations.

They controlled professional sports.

They had an echo chamber, Silicon Valley, Print Media, Washington Post, NPR, PBS.

That's how they did it.

And they had more money and more levers.

And they did not talk about these things.

But now the curtain is drawn and we see what this woke thing is.

It's a little guy with gears and levers.

And it's pretty ugly.

And I think a lot of people are saying, you know what?

I didn't like Donald Trump tweeting and I bought into all this stuff, but this stuff is my life.

This is my existence.

And if I can't drive down the street without getting carjacked, or I can't go to a shopping mall without seeing somebody run in and just take food and prance out.

Or if I can't go pick up food like Joseph Epstein wrote today in the Wall Street Journal without fears for my life, or my son who played by all the rules and got a 4.2 and did all this and he's not going to get into a college that he deserves to get into.

If that's what it is, count me out.

And so you'll see there's going to be a big reaction.

And it's not me, Sammy.

Just look at what Beft is saying.

All of our listeners know that.

All they hear every day is, democracy dies in 2022, or a military officer, Trump will stage a coup in 2024.

We must be mobilized.

Or Kevin McCarthy, if he were to be Speaker, he would do this, i.e.

do the same thing that Nancy Pelosi did to them.

to the Republicans.

So they are scared and they're scaring people because they are terrified.

They do not have an act.

If I asked you, Sammy, okay, Sammy Wink, you're chief Ron Klein, chief advisor for Biden and advisor also for the 2022 elections.

Pick the issues you want to run in in 2022.

What are they?

You mean if I'm, I'm sorry, who am I advising on this?

You're advising House Democrats.

So you're the latest on between the president and you want to say president's got some great

agendas and you run on Joe Biden's build back better and you're going to win.

What are the issues?

Yeah, so you're going to turn the whole COVID thing around, as we've already discussed on our Friday edition, in the sense that you're going to say, Well, we did the best we could.

It slowed the virus.

We didn't have influenza.

So, you're going to say, so yeah,

and there's going to be no more mutant viruses.

No, you're not going to, you're going to cut back on the mask thing.

You're going to, you're going to focus on older people who need help and protection.

you're gonna you're gonna

feel scott atlas's program exactly say okay oh yeah how how many times did we see hillary clinton do that little dance to the right after she had been full left they they do it every single time and they'll they'll pull out every issue the border they'll start closing that down in ways and say well you know our policy really was good even though it's been a total disaster the whole hood left the barn and you're going to close the door and say there's not any cows left in the barn.

They're not, they can't get out.

Is that what you're going to say?

No, I think people got a long memory.

People are not stupid.

They can be, I mean, they can act stupidly, but you push them and push them and push them.

And finally, they get angry.

And they're not going to take it.

I really believe that.

And I talk to people from all walks of life.

I do.

I talk to people and I try to just listen.

I know I'm one

last thing, though, on that, that you are talking to people who, like the Puritans in their moral greatness, think that what they're doing with their diversity, equity, and inclusion is moral.

Inclusion is moral.

And they think they're on the moral high ground.

So they're going to buy into anything that their leadership says, I think.

A lot of those people.

You're talking about the bipostal white elite who believes that because they're superior.

morally to everybody else, they can use any means necessary to achieve morally superior ends.

I agree with you.

That's about 30% of the country.

And the great decisive factor is that it's basically two things.

Are you able to get your base out?

And

in 2018, they did.

And they did it on the basis of Trump was uncouth and crude and collusion.

And they got the swing voter.

And they did it to a lesser extent, but successfully in 2020.

And that's that 10 to 15 percent.

I'm looking at the polls of independents, about 58 percent anti-Biden.

And Democrats are down generically.

If you ask somebody, you're going to vote for Democrat or Republican.

It was always a Democrat.

There's more of them.

They give stuff free.

And the old rule was they needed to be about

Republicans had to be within three or four minuses, minus three or four, they would win.

But now they're up five or six.

They were up nine.

And it's going to be very hard for those guys to win because of what they've done.

They've alienated the swing voter.

And the swing voters are terrified of racial questions.

They are terrified of critical race theory.

They're terrified of crime.

They're terrified of an open border.

They're terrified of the way COVID, they've been lied to and lied to and lied to about COVID.

They're terrified of what's going to happen with China and Russia overseas after Afghanistan.

They're terrified of paying all of their money to heat their homes or buy gas.

And they're terrified of owing $30 trillion dollars because they know inflation or high taxes and recessions one of the two are coming or both and so i think that all of that echo chamber will not be strong enough to make them make a mistake three times but we'll see

a long way to november but everybody says it's a long way to november things can change and what they mean is it can't get worse yeah and i i'll grant you one

i well you can yes that's true but and you're right on one thing, that all they need is the margin.

So as long as the margin comes to the right, then you're good.

All you need is that few people that put you over the margins.

Faith in the right is

very, very mobilized.

They are angry and they're the type of, you saw that in Virginia when they, in a blue state, they voted.

for a Republican governor and Terry McAuliffe had every advantage.

He had the unions, he had the money, he had the Obamas, he had the Clintons, he was next to Washington.

He had a great influx the last 20 years of federal workers and he lost.

It wasn't that close.

He lost.

He had the electioneering.

I'm not going to go there, but usually in a blue state like Virginia, if you're going to have an election, you're going to have to be two or three points ahead because votes have a tendency to be

they take on, you know, they like drones, they find their way to the ballot box when they're mailed in.

So anyway, my point is that you can feel it in the air.

I could feel it in 2000, the day of the election, 2020, I did a lot of conservative interviews and I said, I didn't think Donald Trump would win the popular vote.

And people got very angry at me.

I just, I could feel it's not going to happen.

Now, it wasn't just.

that they had more money and they had, I didn't understand then the apparatus that they used that Molly Ball outlined in Time magazine about, she called it a conspiracy and a cabal of left-wingers, but in praise of it.

But I could just feel that people were, that I knew said, I wish he wouldn't tweet, or I'm getting tired, or he was too rude.

And the first, I didn't agree with this, but that's,

you could feel it.

And it would be honest to deny what was going on, but I can feel it now.

It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

And you can see left-wing people who are getting, you know, whether it's Bill Maher or I said, Larry Summers, or some, even Hillary Clinton the other day said, I think, you know, it's spot time.

We kind of went a little bit too far.

Time to go back to the middle.

There you go.

That's that tacking to the to the right, Hillary Clinton.

So you know that's where they're going.

Well, we'll know it when they start drinking like she did in 2008 in the primary Boilermaker.

Remember, she went into a bar bowling.

One day she was bowling.

Next day, she had whiskey and beer and drank it.

I can't forget it.

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And so let's go.

We wanted to talk a little bit about the solar battle, Land Was Everything, and Bonfires of the Humanities, your eighth, ninth, and tenth book, I believe.

Well, I talked about warfare and agriculture and Western Way of War, but I kind of took a high editor for military history and wrote about classics and farming.

And

I had an editor, I had a great agent.

I've had him, we've never signed a contract, we had a handshake, I think it's 33 years, Glenn Hartley and writers representatives.

He's a wonderful agent.

And he just said to me, you know,

why don't you get back to military history, especially your emphasis on ancient?

And so I did.

And

I read for a year and I said, you know, the three great minds, I think, as strategists and tacticians were Apamanondis of Thebes.

We've talked about him.

And then William Decumpsey Sherman and George Patton, and they believed in the indirect approach.

You don't have a Klaus Witchian collision like Grant, where you meet forces around Lee at Richmond in that terrible summer of 1864, lose 100,000 casualties.

You're like Sherman, you go back around and go through Georgia and demoralize and disrupt the communications and transportation.

It's a difference in theory.

If you want to destroy the crop, do you go and fight the farmer and cut his grapes off?

Or do you just cut the roots and let them dry on the vine?

So, that indirect approach, that's a word that Liddell Hart used

a lot.

So, I wrote about three great marches: Apaminondus' march down to Sparta, the march to the sea in 1864 by William Decumpsey Sherman, and that wonderful, I shouldn't say wonderful in the context of war, but that brilliant end of July to mid-September march across mid-France by George Patton.

They got him him almost to the Rhine River, 50 miles a day, at Falaise Gap, across the Seine River, et cetera, et cetera.

Brilliant.

And it was the idea that these people were, they were moralists.

They wanted to get war over very quickly.

They didn't want to kill a lot of soldiers of the enemy.

They surely didn't want to lose their own, but they thought that what we call amoral, that is exempting the infrastructure and population and territory of the enemy, is actually

amoral to exempt them.

And they were going to bring war home and try to demolish the, I don't know, the psychology, the confidence of the enemy without necessarily killing a lot of them.

So when Patton was just doing these wonderful sweeps around German troops, especially at the Falaise Gap, and then going beyond it each time, and relying on the Air Force.

Thunderbolt planes that cover his flanks, it was just sort of like a symphony.

And the same thing with Sherman, if you read a lot of the diaries that were written so that was one it was called the soul battle and i enjoyed writing it what was your next one sammy i didn't know if you which order you wanted it

yeah the land was everything came in the next chronological order yeah that was a series of essays following fields without dreams in other words i've written a book about going broke and the end of small farming it's gone now i look out the window and there's no small farmers anywhere in my neighborhood but i wanted to write some essays about why that happened so i wrote 10 chapters on

what was vertically integrating agriculture in other words owning trucking packing distribution brokerage versus just producing foods and how that was agribusiness was different than farming both as it was much more profitable, but you were losing something about the ground.

And then the ancient idea of a farm serving dual purposes, producing citizens and communities versus just food.

And agrarianism is both.

So when you take a person off 100 acres and a family off,

then you lose that person's stake, his commitment to earn a living and be a shepherd or custodian of the land.

You put a hired man there every 100 acres and you have 15,000 acres, then food is being produced, but without social or cultural advantages is what I was trying to say.

Not that it wasn't just as good food, and that was the paradox I tried to point out.

A lot of people that I have, Gene Lodgeson or Wendell Berry, had said that family farming and grarianism was more productive or better food.

And sometimes I'd seen family farmers who were so broke and losing it.

that they would skimp or use chemicals they wouldn't, whereas the corporations went right by the book because they had all this money because they were vertically integrated.

So I did a lot of paradoxical issues for that book, and it didn't sell as well as Land Was Everything.

And then I decided that after

10 years of teaching and

I had done farming for five years and then teaching and farming for a number of years, I was now in my 40s and I was writing a lot.

And I went once into the bank and the federal land bank guy said, let me get this straight.

You make a little money on these books, and you lose a lot of money farming.

So, do you like not staying in the house and writing an article to get money, but you do like getting on a tractor to lose it?

Is that what's so wonderful about?

Because this is what your loan shows: you get on your massey, you know, 265, and you probably pay me, you know, 20 bucks an hour for the privilege of getting filthy dirty.

And that's harsh.

Yeah,

well, the guy was a harsh banker, and I just tested him, but he did me a lot of favors because I said, you know what?

I have some certain skills that I can speak or I can explain things, but I don't have skills.

I'm not a good agri-business person, and

I am not cut out for it.

I like farming.

I'm a good farmer, but I'm a lousy agri-business person.

A man has to know his limitations.

So I stopped actively farming.

And at that point, I never wrote another book about farming.

Yeah, okay.

And then also, we were going to talk about bonfires of the humanities.

Fun book.

That was,

I had two great colleagues in my life in classics, Bruce Thornton, who was a colleague at Cal State Fresno, UCLA PhD.

He's written about 12 books.

He's one of the most talented classicists.

He's a research fellow at the Hoover Institution.

And John Heath, who is not only a great classicist, but he had a wonderful sense of humor.

And he wrote some very humorous articles about kind of critiques of classics.

I did too.

I wrote one on the personal voice.

It was

before the woke and diversity, inclusion, equity, all that crap, and

there was something called personal voice theory, PVT.

And that was, I'm going to write about Catullus's

lesbia poem, but it's inseparable from who I am.

So, I mean, not that you won't, you can put the first person, but these people were writing these things that were all about their own neuroses and melodramatic melodramatic divorces and breakups and crises and meltdowns in the context of Latin literature.

So, and it wasn't very interesting.

So I kind of took on that in an essay.

And there were essays about the crisis in academia.

They were all pretty prescient.

I think people would enjoy reading them.

They were very well documented, footnoted, etc.

And so I enjoyed that a great deal.

That book.

Yeah.

Well, thank you, Victor.

Those all three of those sound like excellent books.

I think you wanted to say earlier that Land Was Everything didn't sell as well as Fields Without Dreams.

I didn't mean to, but you said it and you said it didn't sell as well as Land Was Everything.

And you were talking about the Land Was Everything.

It was worth in that, Sammy.

I wrote that for the publisher.

I think that was Free Press.

And I sent it in.

And the publisher who'd signed the book had left or been fired, so I had a new editor.

And he called me up and said, well, I like your Fields with a Dream book.

It was reviewed everywhere.

Yeah, but it didn't sell what I thought it would.

Not like you haven't really sold a book like Western Way of Wars.

I said, well,

what are you saying?

He said, well, write a book.

Your agent says you can write about wars, the stolen battle book.

I said, okay.

And then he said this.

And we won't publish this Land Was Everything book unless you do the other book first.

I said, well, it's all done.

It took me a year to write.

He said, we're going going to let it sit there.

So I, and I was flat broke.

So I went out and I got all, I tore up my little office bedroom and I got all new books.

And I read till two in the morning about everything you can imagine in Sherman.

I read every scrap from the TLG, thesaurus, linguae grecci, about a paminondis.

I read things that I hadn't even known existed.

I read the Polyvasolva, a lengthy German.

I did everything as fast as I could.

And a year and a half, I wrote the book.

and I called him up and go, Here it is.

Now, can you publish my farming book?

I said, Well,

I don't know.

But the funny thing was, as this happens in life, they're right and you're wrong.

The soul battles sold very, very well, and the land that was everything did not.

Well, I can tell your listeners, having read much of what you've written, that it's always a gift to the mind and the eye.

This style and content are are without comparison in any writer.

Thank you.

I enjoy writing and I like meeting people and I even like criticism.

So I'll still go places where somebody will come up and say, I really, I was farming, I was going broke, I was suicide, I read Fields about Dream, I knew I was not alone.

Just that one comment will make me.

We'll get into one time I had this crazy idea of writing a novel as history.

In other words, a history of a pamanantis, but through a fiction.

But it wasn't quite a novel.

It wasn't quite history, but it sold pretty well for a novel.

But I saw a military officer and he came up and he said, this is exactly what I wanted.

And he talked to me for two hours in a bar.

And so you never know.

And

your readers are what, just like the listeners, anybody, I see people that say, hey, I listened to your podcast.

And I really appreciate that.

And I try to give them good content.

And your job, Sammy, if you know, is to keep me from going off on a mere tangent.

Yeah, I'll keep you on track.

And to that end, Victor Davis-Hansen, let's go ahead and say goodbye to our audience.

And goodbye, everybody, and thank you again for listening to us.

Yeah, this is Victor Davis-Hansen and Sammy Wink, and we're signing off.

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