838: Letters! Actual Letters!

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Speaker 3 One thing I didn't know about delivering mail, you're not supposed to walk down to the sidewalk after each house. You're supposed to cut across the lawn to the next house.

Speaker 3 If you want to finish the route on time, I mean, they time us.

Speaker 4 We're not supposed to go down to the sidewalk every time if we can avoid it.

Speaker 3 And just walk across people's grass.

Speaker 4 Grass, yes.

Speaker 4 Everybody wants the government to be efficient, except for the mailman to walk across their grass.

Speaker 4 But people like these guys built a path for me.

Speaker 3 So yeah, there's a little dirt path in between these bushes.

Speaker 4 Because they're nice.

Speaker 3 I went out with a letter carrier named Grace as she walked her route. It was a pretty day in a leafy, lovely neighborhood.
Grace carried a shoulder bag with flats and catalogs and parcels.

Speaker 3 And of course somebody built a path for her to cut to the house next door. She can talk to anybody, and she's interested in other people.

Speaker 3 So at this point, she knows at least a little bit about most of the people on her route. Most of them, she's actually seen their faces.

Speaker 3 She'll walk up to a house.

Speaker 4 Sometimes I'll be like, the cousin out front or whatever, and I'll even know that. I'll be like, you have the same face as the wife.
And I know she has family in Denmark. You're the Denmark sister.

Speaker 4 I'll just know it when I'm walking up. And then she'll be like, oh,

Speaker 4 and I'm like, I told you. Like, I'll just know a lot about people.

Speaker 3 There's the house with the stay-at-home mom whose son makes drawings for Graves.

Speaker 3 The public defenders who get public defender mail, but somehow also have an insanely posh house with gorgeous landscaping.

Speaker 3 There's the hardcore Christians, whose dog always lunges at the door like he's going to break through the glass.

Speaker 3 There's the dad who organizes the kids' softball league that Grace's daughter's in. And the guy with pancreatic cancer who seems like he doesn't have much time left at all.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 nicest guy. And I'm,

Speaker 4 it's just, you know, can't help but think about it every day.

Speaker 3 Does he get a lot of visitors?

Speaker 4 Yes, and lots of mail started coming from like old friends and stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm not using Grace's real name or telling you anything about where she works, so this private information can stay private like it should.

Speaker 3 Our show today is about the mail. And Grace's understanding of who's who and her route is like a pilot knowing the weather they're dealing with.

Speaker 3 It's very helpful to doing her job.

Speaker 3 Like with this couple on the route. A couple.
With a woman moved to the apartment across the hall and filed a forwarding address. And the guy did not.

Speaker 3 Grace knows the guy's still with her. So she forwards his mail also, even without the form.

Speaker 3 At one house this particular day, there's a postcard for the landlord

Speaker 3 who Grace knows does not live at that address. And so what are you going to do?

Speaker 4 I'm going to dispose of it in what we call the undeliverable bulk business mail bin.

Speaker 3 Ubhum. She could toss it out like that because it's not first-class mail.

Speaker 4 So it doesn't get returned to sender and it doesn't get forwarded, it just goes to waste.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's junk mail.

Speaker 4 That's correct. We don't use that term.
What do you say? We're forbidden from saying that, bulk mail or standard class mail.

Speaker 3 Because junk mail implies a value judgment.

Speaker 4 That's correct. And this is what pays our salaries.
This so-called junk mail.

Speaker 3 Grace has an ex-girlfriend on her route, somebody she was with decades ago. And earlier in the day, she tossed out a piece of bulk mail at her house.

Speaker 3 She pauses for a second before she tells me about it.

Speaker 4 She lost a child several years ago during the pandemic, and that kid got a piece of bulk mail today. so I was able to throw it away without her seeing it, you know, because I know.

Speaker 4 And I was really grateful for that.

Speaker 4 You know, being able to discard that piece of mail for her today so she didn't have to see her dead kid's name when she got her mail today. That felt really good.

Speaker 3 But for all these customers on a route, there's some that do this thing that just gets under Grace's skin.

Speaker 4 So this situation,

Speaker 4 yeah.

Speaker 3 She opens a mailbox jammed full of mail.

Speaker 4 So this never gets,

Speaker 4 none of this mail will ever get picked up.

Speaker 3 See how much no just describe what you just pulled out of that mailbox.

Speaker 4 So this is a whole bunch of what one might call junk mail. Coupons.

Speaker 3 She holds up a stack of these thick weekly advertising mailers.

Speaker 4 So this is five weeks worth.

Speaker 4 And like I've definitely put packages in here and they come out.

Speaker 3 So they're checking.

Speaker 4 They look in to see if there's anything they want.

Speaker 4 And then if there's something they want, they take it out. But it makes it kind of hard to deliver mail when it's packed full, you know? Like, what do you expect to clean up after you?

Speaker 4 Who's going to come to your mom and empty your mailbox for you? Like, just get your mail. But I just find it very inconsiderate.

Speaker 3 On another street, we walk up to a house with a hand-painted sign in the window saying, Palestine will be free. It also usually has mail stuffed in its mailbox for weeks,

Speaker 3 including their mail-in ballots.

Speaker 4 And they would walk by every day for a week and a half, walk right by the ballot sticking right out of that mailbox. That mailbox right there.
That mailbox right there.

Speaker 3 So you could see it from the street. You can see the ballot.

Speaker 4 You can see it from the street. You can see it when you walk by.
It's very, very easy to grab on the way in. But they didn't manage to do that for weeks.

Speaker 3 And what did you think of that?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I wonder what it's like to go through life not seeing things around you.

Speaker 3 But it's very possible that they see, but just the mail is not important to them at all.

Speaker 4 And I understand that if it was full of crap, but they obviously care about politics. And like I consider my ballot like a sacred object kind of and they just kept walking by, walking by.

Speaker 4 It's not like it's heavy. It's not like, you know, it's cumbersome.
It's just a matter of not caring at all or not seeing it. I don't know which.

Speaker 3 Does it make you mad?

Speaker 4 Sometimes, yeah. I can actually,

Speaker 4 I was telling someone the other day that I can kind of gauge my mood by a specific mailbox that I get to because it's always full.

Speaker 4 And if it doesn't bother me that much, I know I'm doing well that day.

Speaker 4 But if I get into a rage about it, I know that like something's bothering me and I, you know, and I'm saying I can like sort of check back in my life and figure out what's making me so mad because that mailbox will really anger me.

Speaker 3 Grace has been doing this long enough, over two decades. Started before the internet really kicked in fully.
And she remembers when everyone's relationship to their mail was different.

Speaker 3 Before so much was on the email. There were tons of business letters, first-class mail, magazines back then.
She was carrying way more of that instead of what she carries now.

Speaker 4 As far as what I consider a crap that's just ads, I guess it's probably 85, 90% of what I deliver. If you exclude the parsons.

Speaker 4 Because they're just the crap that people bought because the ads told them to.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's funny because when this country was founded, like, the mail was the internet. Yes.
You know, Benjamin Franklin could get any job he wanted in the new government.

Speaker 3 And he's like, I want to be the postmaster.

Speaker 4 Communications, yeah.

Speaker 3 Because it's like being like Steve Jobs or something.

Speaker 4 It is, right? It was. And there's still vestiges of like that self-importance this agency still has.

Speaker 4 It saw us in training that if an ambulance, a fire truck, a police car, and a postal truck all come to a four-way stop at the same time, who has the right of way? The postal truck.

Speaker 4 That somehow that's actually true in the Constitution, which is hilarious.

Speaker 3 Do you have this feeling of like

Speaker 3 you have this job that used to be a kind of like noble calling and you know snow, no rain, no gloom of night?

Speaker 3 And then it moved from delivering stuff that people really, really wanted and needed and was essential to just delivering a lot of garbage?

Speaker 4 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 It's kind of achingly true that a lot of what we deliver is just garbage that people don't want.

Speaker 4 And like you have to make your peace with the theory that that's the revenue that sustains the important work of, because what we actually offer is dependability. We come every day.

Speaker 4 So, if you have a return or whatever, you just put it out there, we take it right there.

Speaker 4 We know who you are, we know the name, we know the people who used to live there, and I know where to take their mail. Grandma sends them something, and then move three times in between.

Speaker 4 I can get it to them. We do that all the time at work.
We know people so much better than any other delivery services.

Speaker 3 You feel proud of your job.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 4 yeah. I mean,

Speaker 4 I really do like it. I really do think it's important.

Speaker 3 You have to.

Speaker 4 Because it's

Speaker 4 every day.

Speaker 4 For years and years and years, you know.

Speaker 3 When it comes to the mail that we think of, when we think of the mail that we want to get, it's letters. Personal letters.

Speaker 3 The old-fashioned kind, where somebody pours out their heart to somebody else by hand.

Speaker 3 I asked Grace to comb through the 25 pounds of stuff she was carrying with this one-block swing on her route to see if she could find even one handwritten personal letter.

Speaker 6 See.

Speaker 4 Financial, financial

Speaker 4 secret to wealth. I guess we call that financial.
That's a bill.

Speaker 4 Senator Bill.

Speaker 4 Insurance reminder bill.

Speaker 3 Political.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Zero fun mail on this block today.

Speaker 3 This day, over the course of the entire day, over 350 homes, she delivered only three personal handwritten letters. Do you write letters? No.

Speaker 4 Every once in a while I do. I feel so proud of myself.
Probably like once every five years. I really wish I was more of a letter writer.

Speaker 3 Wait, why do you wish you were a letter writer?

Speaker 4 Because it seems like such a great hobby. Like, when I do write one, I feel extremely good.

Speaker 4 It's a nice exercise. It's nice to imagine the person getting it.
It's wonderful if they write you back. Like, it's one of those things I'm like, oh, I should do more of this, but I just don't.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I feel like I have the same impulse sometimes to write somebody, but then I really just type it and send the email, you know? Like, and that seems to be the same feeling.

Speaker 4 It's not, though. I try writing a letter sometimes.
You'll see how different it is. Different parts of your brain come out.

Speaker 4 You say things you wouldn't say. And plus, getting the physical thing from the other person, it's more

Speaker 4 there's a connection that the physicality of the letter brings a connection.

Speaker 3 I don't have sentimentality for that part of it, but it's undeniable. They're getting a letter, a real letter, is exciting.
It's rare.

Speaker 3 The kind of letter where somebody sat down, dear you, from me, really tried to say something that needed to be said, where they're putting something into words for the very first time, or correcting the record, or trying to persuade, and they know it's going to go better if they do it in writing.

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Speaker 3 This is American Live. Today's show is a rerun.
Act one.

Speaker 3 Dear Dear Alice.

Speaker 3 So we start with this letter, which is very much somebody trying to figure out something that has been hard to figure out.

Speaker 3 It's written by Nicole Paisecki about something that happened when she was in high school. Dear Zenko.

Speaker 11 Dear Alice.

Speaker 11 1.

Speaker 11 I've started to write this letter at least 20 times in as many years, which is way too much time. I need to find a way to finally be done with this.

Speaker 11 The only way I've ever gotten close is by writing in fragments.

Speaker 3 2.

Speaker 11 When I first walked into your high school English class in Chelsea, Michigan, school had been a struggle for me. Every class felt focused on how fast you could do something and how right you could be.

Speaker 11 Yours wasn't.

Speaker 11 I still remember the one afternoon in senior year, we'd finished a vocabulary quiz.

Speaker 11 You said, open your notebooks and close your eyes. We looked at you strangely at first, but we trusted you enough to follow along.
You dimmed the lights.

Speaker 11 Imagine you're walking alone through the depths of a woodland forest, you said.

Speaker 11 We could hear you slowly pacing, and your long, sensible skirt swaying with each step. You guided us along a path in the woods, pointing to tiny mushrooms, a toad at the water's edge.

Speaker 11 Eventually you told us to open our eyes and to start writing. to keep describing whatever wilderness we'd conjured in our minds.

Speaker 11 No teacher had ever asked me to write something from my own imagination, and I loved it. I started keeping a journal.

Speaker 11 Everyone, if they're lucky, has at least one teacher who changes their life or makes them feel at home in school. That's who you were to me, my favorite teacher.

Speaker 3 3.

Speaker 11 I had never given much thought to my teachers' lives outside of school. You were a fixture in that corner classroom, a woman who seemed to exist wholly there.

Speaker 11 I never would have imagined that you were married to a man who kept a gun beneath his pillow.

Speaker 3 4.

Speaker 11 I took Chemistry 1 with your husband in 1992 when I was a sophomore.

Speaker 11 He wore that plaid and wool hunting jacket and drank coffee out of that small plastic cup that doubled as a lid to his tall vacuum thermos.

Speaker 11 His hands sometimes shook when he lifted the cup to his lips. He kept his haggard ponytail pulled back with a thin rubber band.

Speaker 11 I remember that he played loud rock music on the stereo while we did experiments.

Speaker 11 Though I interpreted his personality as arrogant and strange, I didn't dislike him as much as I quietly despise the subject of chemistry.

Speaker 11 You should know that I've always struggled with solving complicated formulas.

Speaker 3 5.

Speaker 11 My dad never told me things that a teenager didn't need to know, and I never thought to ask very many questions. He mostly kept his work life separate from his home life.

Speaker 11 I didn't know what a school superintendent did all day, and I never thought to ask him.

Speaker 11 One night, though, when I was standing in our kitchen by the sliding glass door, my dad walked up to me with his hands in the pockets of his faded weekend jeans and said, Hey Nick, when you went in early for chemistry help, did Mr.

Speaker 3 Leith ever act weird around you?

Speaker 11 I looked at my dad for a few seconds and wrinkled my brow. Then I defended your husband.
What are you talking about, I replied.

Speaker 11 My dad dropped the subject without explanation, and I quickly forgot about it.

Speaker 11 Even when it was just the two of us, your husband and I, in his chemistry lab, he had never said anything inappropriate to me.

Speaker 11 I wasn't a pretty girl. I was self-conscious and tom-boyish.
Acne spotted my jawline and chin. My chest was as flat as a boy's.
And I was the boss's daughter.

Speaker 3 6.

Speaker 11 Earlier that year, the mother of a quiet, long-haired senior girl called our home telephone at an unusually late hour. I answered the call in the kitchen.

Speaker 11 Dad, it's for you, I said in the direction of the living room. He took the call in private.

Speaker 11 7.

Speaker 11 One of my favorite photographs of my dad is the one where he's sitting next to my hospital bed at St. Joe's in Hipsilani.
right after my knee surgery during my senior year.

Speaker 11 He sat in that uncomfortable chair, staying day and night, as my left leg moved, bending and straightening in a constant passive motion machine.

Speaker 11 He only stepped out of the room when the nurse arrived to help me use the bedpan.

Speaker 11 In the photograph, he's wearing jeans and a blue sweater with a tired, loyal smile on his face.

Speaker 11 Back then, I never saw his commitment to me as remarkable, because it was all I had known.

Speaker 3 8.

Speaker 11 Surely you know all about the giddiness that your high school students felt on the Thursday before Christmas break. My energy that day felt boundless.

Speaker 11 I practically bounced from 7th period across the grass and straight to the outer window of my dad's office. I knocked on his window and he tilted it open.

Speaker 11 He was eating an ice cream sundae from McDonald's out of a small clear plastic cup. He smiled his full-faced smile when he saw me and I returned a grin.

Speaker 11 He reached out and dropped the car keys into my hand so I could drive to physical therapy.

Speaker 11 As I turned to walk toward the parking lot, my dad said, have fun, see you later, and tipped the window to close it.

Speaker 11 At Physical Therapy, my friend Carrie and I both rode Stairmasters, and we listened to the Lemonheads album, It's a Shame About Ray, on the stereo. We moved our arms like we were dancing.

Speaker 11 The snow fell quietly outside. The cold windows had white paper snowflakes scotch-taped to them.
Mid-workout, we overheard someone say there had been a shooting at Chelsea High School.

Speaker 11 We stepped off the stair masters and huddled around an AM-FM radio to try to learn more.

Speaker 11 At first, we were worried about our friends who might have been at a game in the school gym. We imagined that the shooter must have been a kid from another school.

Speaker 11 It never crossed our minds that the shooter could have been your husband or the victim could have been my dad.

Speaker 11 9.

Speaker 11 When the details of that afternoon that your husband killed my dad slowly leaked out from police reports and school employees, I learned that your husband had been reprimanded for sexually harassing female students in the hallways.

Speaker 11 I learned that he was on the verge of losing his job. I learned that your husband had stormed out of a grievance meeting with administrators not long after the school day had ended.

Speaker 11 I learned that you and your husband carpooled home from school together that day. I learned that you were with him in his anger for the 20 minutes it took you to drive home.

Speaker 11 I learned that when you arrived home, your husband disappeared upstairs. He returned with a 9mm semi-automatic pistol in his hand.
He asserted, he's going to die.

Speaker 11 I learned that your husband got back into the car alone and sped toward the school administration building, where my dad and two others continued the meeting.

Speaker 11 20 minutes. That's how long it took your husband to drive back to the high school.

Speaker 11 I learned that you didn't call the police, whose small town headquarters were less than a five-minute drive away from the school.

Speaker 11 You didn't call the administration building to warn the three men whose lives were at stake, sitting ducks.

Speaker 11 Instead, you called the teacher's union office in Ann Arbor, 20 minutes in the opposite direction.

Speaker 11 Your husband wore a long coat with pockets of ammunition.

Speaker 11 He squealed his tires in the school parking lot.

Speaker 11 He told someone who approached him that he had, quote, unfinished business to attend to.

Speaker 11 He walked walked into the administration building, turned the corner into the doorway of the small office. He lifted the gun and pointed it, first, at my dad.

Speaker 11 Daddy, dada,

Speaker 3 pops.

Speaker 11 My forty-seven-year-old dad's last words were, Steve, you don't have to do this.

Speaker 11 Your husband fired round after round. He killed my dad.
He injured two others. You didn't call the police.

Speaker 11 10.

Speaker 11 Why, Alice? Why the fuck didn't you call the police?

Speaker 11 Why?

Speaker 11 Why?

Speaker 11 Why?

Speaker 11 11.

Speaker 11 After your husband shot my dad, a pocket of time existed where my dad was gone and it was still just a Thursday in December.

Speaker 11 I was still just a teenager happily riding the StairMaster at MedSport, looking through icy windows with paper snowflakes taped to them.

Speaker 11 My brother Brian was still just a fresh-faced, private first class, wrenching bolts on the engines of fleet vehicles at a Marine base in North Carolina.

Speaker 11 My mom was still a wife of 25 years and a middle school special education teacher at a neighboring school district.

Speaker 11 And you were still just my favorite teacher.

Speaker 11 The one who let us write about an imaginary forest.

Speaker 3 12.

Speaker 11 I can't remember if it was you or I who initiated the meeting a few days after your husband murdered my dad at our school. I hadn't slept since I found out.

Speaker 11 I had been desperately pulling his photographs from sticky plastic pages of family photo albums and taping them to the bathroom mirrors. Still, I was worried about how you might be feeling.

Speaker 11 I was eager to believe in you, to affirm that we were both unknowing victims of your husband's violent actions, to tell you that I didn't blame you.

Speaker 11 I sensed some hesitation from my mom, but she took me to meet you anyway. The story was still developing.
I couldn't imagine any scenario wherein you were not the hero.

Speaker 11 She could.

Speaker 11 We learned that since the shooting, you had been staying with your friend and colleague Pam.

Speaker 11 When we arrived at her house, Pam took our damp jackets, and I saw you sitting alone in a wing-backed chair at the far corner of the large room.

Speaker 11 You didn't rise to greet us when we entered the Christmas-ready living room. Your face displayed a low, distant gaze.
Your fingertips fidgeted with a pinch of fabric on the bottom of your sweater.

Speaker 11 I don't know what kind of a welcome I had expected, but it wasn't this.

Speaker 11 Finally, you approached me. You said something like, This is for you, and your tone was solemn.
You reached out and handed me a hardcover book and a handwritten letter. Do you remember the title?

Speaker 11 Did the book have a tree on the cover?

Speaker 11 I never read the book. I meant to.
My head was too clouded with grief in those days to concentrate for long. I stuffed the book into a drawer in my bedroom and never looked at it again.

Speaker 11 I did read your short letter. Your words were scrolled diagonally across a yellow legal paper that you'd folded like a business letter.

Speaker 11 The one thing I'd always remembered about that letter was the part I understood the least.

Speaker 11 Maybe we can make a circle someday, it said.

Speaker 11 I've been wanting to ask you for years.

Speaker 11 What does that mean?

Speaker 11 13.

Speaker 11 I returned to school only three weeks after my dad died, often arriving late and unprepared. driving up to the school in the used Chevy Corsica that was still registered in his name.

Speaker 11 My other teachers offered me unspoken allowances for my unimpressive academic performance during the second half of my senior year.

Speaker 11 My government teacher passed my late, biased research paper that took a stance against the death penalty. I called capital punishment, quote, an option that doesn't warrant enough suffering.

Speaker 11 I was scheduled to return to your English class, but the counselor intervened.

Speaker 11 Instead, I met with your student teacher in the library every day. I don't remember her name, only that her severe psoriasis frightened and distracted me.

Speaker 11 I was afraid it was contagious and I couldn't bear any other complications in my life.

Speaker 11 We read Hemingway's The Old Man in the Sea as an independent study. I remember how tired Santiago was while trying to reel that large marlin into the boat.

Speaker 11 I wouldn't have had it in me to keep going like he did.

Speaker 11 The final semester of high school, I don't remember speaking to you. Surely I must have seen you in the hallways.

Speaker 11 Did you see me?

Speaker 11 14.

Speaker 11 It was confusing to see you in the courtroom on the opposing side, sitting next to your mother-in-law, then taking the stand, making a case for your husband's insanity defense, trying to keep him out of prison.

Speaker 11 The defense attorney led you through a detailed account of your husband's bizarre actions. I remember the story of your husband killing your pet bird, how he broke its neck with his bare hands.

Speaker 11 You recounted a holiday when he curled himself beneath a piano and sobbed like a baby. You explained his obsession with guns, how he usually kept one within reach.

Speaker 11 An aisle in the courtroom divided my family from his, yours.

Speaker 11 You never once looked across, at least not while I was looking. And you didn't look when the verdict was delivered.
Guilty, life in prison without parole.

Speaker 11 15.

Speaker 11 I know exactly where I was when I learned you lost your battle with cancer. I stood courtside in the main gymnasium at Adrian College.
I wore my jersey, baggy white shorts, and a bulky knee brace.

Speaker 11 I had just finished playing a Division III basketball game. My mom came to watch my game because it was the second anniversary of the day your husband killed my dad.

Speaker 11 It seemed that we should be together.

Speaker 11 I have some news, mom said. She She had done the right thing by waiting until after the game was over to tell me.
Alice died.

Speaker 11 When? I asked. Her funeral was today.

Speaker 11 16.

Speaker 11 Did you ever attend the National Council of Teachers of English Convention? I've barely missed a year since I began my own career as an English teacher.

Speaker 11 You're gone, so I don't have to worry about running into you there in the elevator going up or the cafe at lunch. But I must admit admit that sometimes I think I see you places.

Speaker 11 I see a modestly dressed woman with shoulder-length brown hair and downward-pointing chestnut eyes, and my breath catches in my throat. Then I remember.

Speaker 11 If only it was just in those moments that I thought of you. But I have a classroom like you had a classroom, and the books I sometimes turn to in my thoughts, I first read in your class.

Speaker 11 17.

Speaker 11 The last time I saw you in the flesh, I was a freshman at Adrian College, and you were still an English teacher at Chelsea High School.

Speaker 11 In a moment of capriciousness, I drove the hour north on Michigan 52 and parked in a visitor space in front of the high school.

Speaker 11 All the students sat in class, which left me alone to walk the cement pathways.

Speaker 11 It still seems strange that life just continued on in that place. A different teacher stood in front of your husband's old classroom.
A new superintendent sat at a desk in my dad's old office.

Speaker 11 New kids replaced those of us who had graduated.

Speaker 11 I entered the English building and walked down the locker-encased hallway to your classroom. I peeked into your classroom window, a thin rectangular pane of glass.

Speaker 11 I saw you leaning on a desk just a few feet from the door, helping a small group of students. I stared through the window until you saw me.

Speaker 11 When you looked up, your body froze for a moment. I wonder what you were thinking then.

Speaker 11 I hadn't told anyone that I was coming and still find it hard to explain my motivation to see you that day.

Speaker 11 You looked weak, frail, sick, a dimmer version of your former self.

Speaker 11 I remember that you stepped into the hallway and faced me. You looked me straight in the eyes.
You wore an expression that I decoded as a combination of compassion and fear.

Speaker 11 Even with your full attention, I couldn't speak a single word. All I could do is stand in the hallway and look at you, standing three feet away.

Speaker 11 I searched your face and eyes, and you searched mine, as if all the questions were written there.

Speaker 11 You never asked me why I had come.

Speaker 11 You seemed to understand, maybe more than I did.

Speaker 11 How long did we stand there saying nothing at all?

Speaker 11 18.

Speaker 11 I never figured out what you meant when you wrote, maybe we can make a circle someday in the letter you handed me. Over time, I got angry at you for saying something so cryptic to a 17-year-old.

Speaker 11 Did you plan to tell me something later, after the trial? Something that would have closed the space between us?

Speaker 11 I can't, even after all these drafts, imagine what that could be. What words could possibly have accomplished that?

Speaker 11 Maybe you never figured it out either. Sincerely, Nicole.

Speaker 3 Nicole Paisecki. She's a writer and also an assistant teaching professor teaching writing at the University of Colorado, Denver.
A version of her letter was first published in Hippocampus magazine.

Speaker 3 The radio version of her letter was produced by Chris Benderev.

Speaker 3 Act II, Dear Miss.

Speaker 3 So this is a thing that's been happening now and then on stage for over a decade in London and elsewhere called Letters Live, where this publisher, Cannon Gate, gets performers, including some ridiculously famous actors, to read old letters written by people like Dickens and Gandhi, David Bowie, James Baldwin, and lots of unfamous people as well.

Speaker 3 This next letter is one of those, somebody who's not famous.

Speaker 3 It was written back when gutters were king, before telephones, even, in 1866, in Yorkshire, in the north of England, from a farmer named Simon Fowlerfield to a woman named Mary Foster.

Speaker 3 It's read by the actor Taryn Edgerton, who's maybe best known for Kingsman and for starring his Elton John in Rocket Man.

Speaker 12 My dear miss,

Speaker 12 I now take up my pen to write to you, hoping these few lines will find you well as it leaves me at present. Thank God for it.

Speaker 12 You will perhaps be surprised that I should make so so bold as to write to you, who is such a lady, and I hope you will not be vexed at me for it.

Speaker 12 I hardly dare say what I want.

Speaker 12 I am so timid about ladies, and my heart trembles like a hespin.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 12 I once seen in a book that Faint Heart Never Won Fair Lady, so here goes.

Speaker 12 I am a farmer in a small way, and my age is rather more than 40 years, and my mother lives with me and keeps my house.

Speaker 12 And she's been very poorly lately and cannot stir about much.

Speaker 3 And I think I should be more comfortable with a wife.

Speaker 12 I have had my eye on you a long time.

Speaker 12 And I think you are a very nice young woman, and one that would make me happy if only you think so.

Speaker 12 We keep a servant girl to milk three kai and do the work in the house, and she goes on a bit in the summer to gather Wiccans and she snags a few turnips in the back end.

Speaker 12 I do a piece of work on the farm myself and attends Pately Market. And I sometimes show a few sheep and I feeds between three and four pigs again Christmas.

Speaker 12 And the same is very useful in the house to make pies and cakes and so forth. And I sells the hams to help pay for the barley meal.

Speaker 12 I have about seventy three pound in Naresbro Bank, and we have a nice little parlour downstairs with a blue carpet and an oven on the side of the fireplace, and the old woman on the other side smoking.

Speaker 12 The golden rules claimed up on the walls above the settle, and you could sit all day in the easy chair and knit and mend my kittles and legumes.

Speaker 12 And you could make the tea ready again, I come in.

Speaker 12 And you could make butter for Pately Market, and I would drive you to church every Sunday in the spring cart.

Speaker 12 And I would do all that bees in my power to make you happy.

Speaker 12 So I hope to hear from you.

Speaker 12 I am in desperate and earnest

Speaker 12 and will marry you at May Day.

Speaker 12 Or if my mother dies afore, I shall want you a four.

Speaker 12 If only you will accept of me, my dear, we could be very happy together.

Speaker 12 I hope you will let me know your mind by return of post, and if you are favourable, I will come up to scratch. So, no more at present from your well-wisher and true love, Simon Fallafield.

Speaker 12 P.S.

Speaker 12 I hope you will say nothing about this.

Speaker 12 If you will not accept of me, I have another very nice woman in my eye,

Speaker 12 and I think I shall marry her if you do not accept of me.

Speaker 12 But I thought you would suit my mother better, she being very crusty at times.

Speaker 3 Taryn Edgerton, reading at Letters Live. Apparently, Mary Foster who got that letter, turned down this proposal of marriage.

Speaker 3 You can find videos of Olivia Coleman, Benedict Cumberbatch, Brian Cox, Edie Falco, Jude Law, and so many other great actors reading letters at the Letters Live YouTube channel or at their website, letterslive.com.

Speaker 3 The next show is going to be at the Royal Albert Hall in November.

Speaker 3 Act 3, Dear Dr. Kestenbaum.

Speaker 3 They tell you to never meet your heroes, but can you write to them?

Speaker 3 Not long after David Kestenbaum left his old job in particle physics, which he has a PhD in, and became a reporter, he tried just that.

Speaker 5 When I was a young science journalist, I sent an email to one of the most famous physicists in the world. I was nervous about it.
I was new to journalism. I did not know how to find stories.

Speaker 5 I still don't, really.

Speaker 5 But I figured this is how real reporters operated. They developed sources.
My goal was to get them on the phone. The physicist was a man named Peter Higgs in Scotland.

Speaker 5 Higgs was famous because way back in 1964, he'd written this paper proposing the possible existence of a new subatomic particle. Everyone in the field called it the Higgs particle.

Speaker 5 Well, except for one who who wrote a book calling it the God particle, though people kind of hated that name. Anyway, it was a big deal, if it did really exist.

Speaker 5 It could explain why other subatomic particles had mass, which you want them to. If electrons were massless, they would fly off, you couldn't have atoms, we would not be here.

Speaker 5 I'd been a physics grad student a few years before, and one of the things we had been searching for with this massive experiment was the Higgs particle.

Speaker 5 So, my goal was to get Peter Higgs, who maybe had seen this deep truth about the nature of the universe, on the phone.

Speaker 5 I needed some excuse, so I wrote that I was curious how the Higgs had come to have his name. Not a great question, but the only one I could think of.

Speaker 3 Would he have a few minutes to talk?

Speaker 5 I sent the email. The next day, no reply.

Speaker 5 A week went by.

Speaker 10 Two weeks.

Speaker 5 And then, after about a month, The mailman came with a letter. A letter.

Speaker 5 Actually, it was this thing called an aerogram that that had been popular during World War II, a single lightweight page that folded over. Lightweight because, you know, airmail.

Speaker 5 Which is a funny thing to handwrite an overseas letter in response to an email. But he was an older guy at that point.
I imagine his assistant printing out his emails for him.

Speaker 5 I opened it up.

Speaker 3 It begins, Dear Dr.

Speaker 5 Kestenbaum, thank you for your email message dated 9 December 1997.

Speaker 5 I remember being excited to get it, but also, pretty quickly disappointed. It is a very boring letter.
He did answer my question in a very detailed and technical way.

Speaker 5 Quote, the earliest reference to Higgs bosons that I know is in the late Ben Lee's talk as rapporteur at the 1972 Rochester Conference at Fermilab, end quote.

Speaker 5 It was filled with stuff like this, names and dates.

Speaker 5 Quote, It is possible, however, that the terminology was being used before the 1972 conference, following Tehoft's rediscovery of the Anderson-Brote Anglais-Higgs et al. mechanism the previous year.

Speaker 5 It was a kind of frustrating experience I was having with a lot of scientists. They gave you tons of detail that no one else would care about or could possibly remember.

Speaker 5 And as to my request to talk on the phone for a few minutes, which is my real hope, nothing.

Speaker 5 I pinned the letter up in my cubicle with a thumbtack, then after a while, moved it to a drawer.

Speaker 5 14 years went by.

Speaker 5 In 2012, nearly 50 years after Higgs wrote that this particle might exist, we learned it really did, just as he had said it might.

Speaker 5 Giant teams of physicists managed to make and detect some Higgs particles at the CERN Laboratory in Europe. It was a massive multi-billion dollar effort.

Speaker 5 Peter Higgs won the Nobel Prize for it the following year.

Speaker 5 The letter still sat in a drawer at my house.

Speaker 3 I got married, had kids.

Speaker 5 Last year, I came across the letter again, finally stuck it in a frame. Should I say where it is? It's in the bathroom.
And then a few months ago, Peter Higgs died. He was 94 years old.

Speaker 5 I went back and read the letter again, really for the first time since I'd gotten it almost 25 years ago.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 5 I got very emotional reading it. There's something in there that the younger me had been unable to see or appreciate.

Speaker 5 What Peter Higgs was doing in this letter was going out of his way to try to give credit to everyone else. Some scientists spend their lives angling for a Nobel Prize.

Speaker 5 Higgs was trying to downplay his role in everything, to put it in its proper context. It was generous and humble.

Speaker 5 He'd taken the time to write it all carefully out and send it to a reporter across the ocean that he'd never met.

Speaker 5 I went online and found a recording of Higgs talking at a press conference after he won the Nobel. Actually, he shared the prize with another guy.

Speaker 5 In the press conference, he's doing the same thing he was in that letter.

Speaker 3 A lot of people seem to think that

Speaker 3 I did all this single-handed. It was actually part of a theoretical program which had been started in 1960.

Speaker 3 The man who really initiated it was Yorukiro Nambu, originally from Japan, Japan, who is now back in Japan. So it's part

Speaker 3 of a story which goes back at least to 1960. And 1964 was just

Speaker 3 what turned out to be a rather successful episode in that story.

Speaker 5 In the press conference, Higgs also mentions this thing I never knew, which is that he only wrote about the particle in the first place, sort of by chance.

Speaker 5 His first draft of his now famous paper was actually rejected by the journal he tried to publish it in.

Speaker 5 So he went back and basically added a few lines, mentioning that if all the other stuff was true, there might be a new particle also.

Speaker 5 One people could find someday.

Speaker 5 Higgs wasn't the only one who could have done what he did.

Speaker 5 But what he did was remarkable.

Speaker 5 And at the end of the day, he was the one who got to carry the baton over the finish line.

Speaker 5 When I look back at the letter now, I think, seems like a nice guy for that to happen to.

Speaker 5 I'm glad it was him.

Speaker 3 David Kestenbaum is senior editor of our show.

Speaker 3 Coming up, somebody has an urgent and deeply personal request for the U.S. Army.
Also, other letters. That's in a minute.
Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.

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Speaker 3 This is American Life, Myra Glass. Today's program, letters, actual letters, in which we hear the vast variety of things that can happen when you put your thoughts and feelings down on paper.

Speaker 3 Today's show is a rerun. We have arrived at Act 4 of our program, Act 4, Dear U.S.
Army.

Speaker 3 So a letter doesn't have to be long to get its point across. This one, read by the actor Crystal Clark at the Royal Laboratory Hall in London for Letters Live, does its job with admirable efficiency.

Speaker 6 November 1943, draft board, Poinsett County, Arkansas.

Speaker 6 Dear United States Army, my husband asked me to write a recommendation telling you that he supports his family.

Speaker 6 He cannot read, so don't tell him.

Speaker 6 He ain't no good to me.

Speaker 6 He ain't done nothing but raise hell and drink lemon essence since I married him eight years ago and I got to feed seven kids of his.

Speaker 6 Maybe you can get him to carry a gun. He's good with squirrels and eating.

Speaker 6 Take him and welcome.

Speaker 6 I need the grub and his bed for the kids. Don't tell him this, but just take him and send him as far as you can.

Speaker 6 Mrs. Cassie Murdoch.

Speaker 3 Crystal Clark, reading a letter for Letters Live.

Speaker 3 Act 5, Dear Zoe.

Speaker 3 They're the letters you get, and then there are the letters you wish you got. And the gap between those two things can say so much.

Speaker 3 Here's producer Zoe Chase.

Speaker 14 My dad wrote a lot of letters. He wrote them to me and to everyone in his life.
After my parents got divorced, he would write to me at my mom's house, even though I'd see him that weekend.

Speaker 14 He'd send postcards that just said, for instance, punch buggy blue, no punch back. It was 1989.
I was eight years old. He was almost 60.

Speaker 14 He treated letters sometimes like text messages because he wrote so many for big and small reasons. Sometimes two a week, sending an inside joke between us, or always he'd send along his plans.

Speaker 14 Here are the plans. Come with me for the weekend after you get back.
You can come to my office on Friday and then we have dinner with Silvana.

Speaker 14 We might also see a movie called El C about a famous warrior in the Middle Ages in Spain.

Speaker 14 I have to bring you home on Sunday of that week about noonish because I have to teach even though there's a holiday on Monday, Labor Day, semicolon.

Speaker 14 At this point we can go to the harbor the following weekend, I pick you up at school, and off we go.

Speaker 14 That was August, 1993.

Speaker 14 He'd often add in a P.S., I am writing to you without using capital letters because I like to write letters that way because it is time-consuming and boring to make caps.

Speaker 14 You should not do this because it is a bad habit until you are grown up.

Speaker 3 As I grew up, the letters grew up.

Speaker 14 They took on a different tone.

Speaker 14 Here's one from May 20th, 1995.

Speaker 14 Dear Zoe, this is another letter from dad. All of those can be kept over the years and then reread and then used in your memoirs.

Speaker 14 This is the tone, grandiose. He's offering important words of guidance to his child.

Speaker 14 It goes on, it is important to understand the nature of work and how it will affect your life, whether schoolwork or something else.

Speaker 14 What you will find out in most work situations is the way in which work helps one to get through hard times.

Speaker 14 I know that when I split up with both Jean and your mother, it helped me to have a job, to give me structure, so that I could survive okay and look forward to a better time when things would be better for me.

Speaker 14 So work helps a lot in that respect.

Speaker 14 If you have ups and downs at school and social matters, for example, well, the work, school work, but also in your case, sports, helps to get one through a rough period.

Speaker 14 I don't mean that work, whether it be sports, which you take seriously and should, replaces human values, friends, lovers, whatever, but it helps complete the roundness of life. Believe me.

Speaker 14 I was in sixth grade.

Speaker 14 P.S.

Speaker 14 Don't use lowercase when you type. That's just for me, otherwise you will get into bad habits.

Speaker 14 Dad was a writer, a historian, magazine editor, professor, foreign policy guy. A dry subject, maybe, but he was not a dry person.
He was warm and loving and excited, and so were his letters.

Speaker 14 What they weren't really was vulnerable. They weren't peer-to-peer.
They were father to daughter, which I loved. I didn't want it to be different.

Speaker 14 I liked being taken care of and guided and mentored and fussed over.

Speaker 14 And he was just clearly enjoying playing the role he was playing.

Speaker 14 June 30th, 1999.

Speaker 14 I was 17, 12th grade.

Speaker 14 Dearest Zoe,

Speaker 14 the opening lines of the Divine Comedy.

Speaker 14 In the middle of the road of our life, I found myself in a dark wood, where the straight way was hidden.

Speaker 14 In any case, sometimes one does find oneself in a dark wood, and the right way, the straight, is lost, and one has to find the path again, and sometimes again and again.

Speaker 14 How is camp?

Speaker 14 The last missive I received from dad came two days after he died in 2004. It was a postcard he'd mailed from Paris.
I can't find it now, but I remember he recommended against opening a credit card.

Speaker 14 Just stick with a debit card for now. I was 22.

Speaker 14 I didn't get another letter from him until this year. in June.

Speaker 14 As his friends have died, their families found these old letters my dad had written to them and sent the letters to my sisters and me. I got one from dad from 1960.
He was 28 years old.

Speaker 14 I was 42 reading it. It was the first letter I'd ever read where he was younger than me and the first where he was writing to another adult.

Speaker 14 It was very different from the ones I used to get. No lessons or grand gestures or guidance.

Speaker 14 It was about his first book, which was a novel. He wrote it in his 20s while living in Paris, serving in the Army.
Looking through the book, it was clear Hemingway was very much on his mind.

Speaker 14 It was called The Rules of the Game, a novel of love and folly. It was published in 1960.

Speaker 14 It was not received well, I gather. The letter was to his brother-in-law at the time, Jack.

Speaker 14 Dear Jack, thank you so much for your letter about the book. It was so good to have have someone discuss the book in terms of its moral implications rather than stylistic or technical fault.

Speaker 14 The fact is, of course, that I am only too aware of its shortcomings, or indeed more aware than ever before.

Speaker 14 To counterweight my own despair about this, I'm working harder than ever on my next book, which I hope will be richer and fuller than the rules.

Speaker 14 At the moment, I am enveloped by critical silence, a hard lesson, but maybe a good one. A tough tough outer skin is something I need.
I'm learning to grow one.

Speaker 14 He never wrote to me about his insecurities.

Speaker 14 In my 20s and 30s, I would have loved to know that he had this feeling, to hear him talk about the weight of being a newish adult, so disappointed with yourself, after imagining greatness and trying really hard.

Speaker 14 and seeing the lack of greatness.

Speaker 14 Even at 42, it was a comfort to see him questioning everything he was doing.

Speaker 14 That kind of self-doubt and self-criticism is a huge part of my personality. That is every day.

Speaker 14 And apparently it was a thing we had in common, my dad and me. I didn't know.

Speaker 14 I got a letter he wrote to someone else, a close family friend known to me as Aunt Maggie. It was 1966.
He was in his 30s. He was dating someone new, before my mom.

Speaker 14 Dear Maggie, the novel proceeds apace, and my agent is happy with it. Finally, I have met a woman who I am very fond of.

Speaker 14 We have been going out, is that the word, since the end of October, and it is very nice indeed to have someone who cares a lot about one. Dare I use the word love?

Speaker 14 Life seems to me so insubstantial, so filled with eggshells that I will predict nothing. But she makes me happy, and she is very kind, straight, and quite remarkably beautiful.

Speaker 14 Also, she is 33 and has not been married. Her hang-ups, whatever they are, strike me as minor.
She is so loving and giving. En fair, who knows? Maybe my luck is changing.
And then again,

Speaker 14 you see, the old distrust for happiness.

Speaker 14 He had that too?

Speaker 14 The feeling that things would always go wrong? That even if it feels good in the moment, it's a trick, it won't last.

Speaker 14 I didn't know.

Speaker 14 There's another letter to Maggie in which every single feeling in it is new to me. Not to my experience, of course, frustration, heartbreak, hopelessness, just new to my experience of my dad.

Speaker 14 He was in the middle of his first messy divorce. He had two young kids, my sisters.

Speaker 14 Dear Maggie, a mad chase letter because I can't really call up, and sometimes it is good to get things down on paper. No reply called for.

Speaker 14 I have realized you can't just move out when things get too hot. No one's life is that bloody good anyway.
No one has it knocked.

Speaker 14 Yet I do not look forward to the future. I see breakdown and trouble and pain, and no matter how one tries, one cannot be indifferent.

Speaker 14 Take care of yourself. I'll be leaving June 6th and back June 27th.
Hang on by your thumbs.

Speaker 14 A parent keeping their hard-earned bitterness from you is a gift. It's generosity, not selfishness.
I'm grateful for that.

Speaker 14 Still.

Speaker 14 I remember our last conversation. We were at a bar in Fall River, Massachusetts, the old mill town where my dad grew up.

Speaker 14 The TVs were on, the Olympics, I think, people striving to perfect perfection in the background.

Speaker 14 I was talking to dad about my new job, first post-college job, how cool the people were who worked there, how afraid I was they wouldn't like me. That's the old Zoe, dad said.

Speaker 14 You don't need to spend time worrying what people think about you anymore. Okay.

Speaker 14 I looked away and didn't say anything. I wasn't looking for advice at that moment.

Speaker 14 Maybe if I'd known this was the last conversation we were ever going to have, I would have asked a question.

Speaker 14 Have you ever felt this way? Tell me about it. Tell me everything about that.

Speaker 14 I wish he'd told me more about second-guessing himself, about errors and uncertainty.

Speaker 14 But really, there's not any specific thing. I wish he'd told me.
It's not that I always wanted to know, am I like you? Are you like me? Are we the same?

Speaker 14 It's that we were interrupted when he died. That's what I hate.
I wanted our conversations to continue and to change and expand.

Speaker 14 The letters are great. I love the letters.
The letters are what I have.

Speaker 14 But the letters are fixed. They leave me som ma fin, as dad might say.
still hungry.

Speaker 14 They end.

Speaker 14 Endless love, dad.

Speaker 14 It's not the same as having a conversation.

Speaker 14 It's nothing like what a conversation would be.

Speaker 3 Zoe Chase is the producer on our show.

Speaker 3 It's 6 a.m. and the sun is getting high.

Speaker 3 He picks up the mail from the slot.

Speaker 3 He feels the rush of excitement as he holds it in his hand. Another love note, no one got.

Speaker 3 Some postman is grooving to all our love letters. Some postman is gonna cry.

Speaker 3 Some postman is grooving to all our love letters. Some postman is gonna cry.

Speaker 3 Gonna cry.

Speaker 3 Gonna cry.

Speaker 3 It's noon. Well programme was produced today by Bimatu Woonmi and edited by our executive editor Emmanuel Berry.

Speaker 3 People who put together today's show include Jandai Bonds, John Cole, Michael Comete, Aviva DeCornfeld, Khan and Jaffe Walt, Henry Garson, Tobin Lowe, Catherine Raymondo, Nadia Raymond, Ryan Rummery, Elise Spiegel, Louis Sullivan, Francis Swanson, Christopher Sotala, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.

Speaker 3 Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman. Help with today's rerun from Suzanne Gaber, Angela Gervasi, and Still Nelson.

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Speaker 3 His new get-rich-quick scheme, he lights incense, sets a dollar bill on fire,

Speaker 3 and then slowly chants.

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Speaker 3 Some Coast Man is grooving to all our land letters. Some postman is gonna cry.

Speaker 3 Some postman is grooving to all our love letters. Some postman is gonna cry.

Speaker 3 Gonna cry, yeah.

Speaker 3 You

Speaker 3 try

Speaker 3 to pay for hearts. So, so, so, so, real to art.

Speaker 3 You promise with stamps to never deliver to me.

Speaker 3 Some postman you turn down to be

Speaker 3 Next week on the podcast, This American Life, a man and his car.

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Like, and people say you are in a relationship with this car.

Speaker 3 In the small community where he lives, this guy, Ali, has the only car, making him the unofficial taxi driver, delivery guy, and school bus driver. So, what happens when his car makes an enemy?

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