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He's a podcaster. He has a new special called Life on Netflix.
It is miraculously done. I'm very thankful to have him return to the podcast.
Today's guest is Mr. Andrew Schultz.
Good to see you, man. Good to see you, too.
Congratulations on the child. Thank you, bro.
Appreciate that. Congratulations on all your success.
Thanks, man. Yeah, I appreciate it, dude.
I saw I'm like 17 minutes into your special right now. Oh, cool, cool, cool, cool.
So, dude, the control you have on stage, that's something I really admire. Like this, like, it's almost like a sharpshooter up there.
Kind of like there's something,

I don't know,

but you're the way you have this control on stage is something.

It's great.

Thank you,

man.

I appreciate that,

brother.

Yeah.

It's cool,

man.

How many times you guys shoot twice?

We did four shows.

Yeah.

Two a night.

That venue.

So beautiful.

It shot so well.

Who shot?

Thank you.

So I have my guys do it like shifty,

shifty edited. I mess.
I forget the guys. who's the DP.
And then Troy Miller was the director. And yeah, it's tricky.
Like filming stand-up is so tricky, especially when you do these. We're used to just kind of doing it all ourselves.
So then you go do a special. Yeah.
And you kind of realize that like each department is fighting against one another. Like the video department wants to make it look beautiful, but making it look beautiful might make the audio sound bad.
The audio department wants to make it sound beautiful. What makes it sound beautiful might mean your mic is really low in the room.
So now the show could be shitty for the audience. You know what I mean? So there's like all these, like we had speakers.
I don't know if you noticed like in the room so now the show could be shitty for the audience you know what i mean so there's like all these like we had speakers i don't know if you know it's like in the front like usually a lot of times yeah so you want to say you had your foot up on it yeah and like most people don't do that because the shot is more beautiful if you just have like raw stage but i was like i think that the special would be better if if the audience enjoys it the most yeah you know what i mean like that's how i Because if they have fun, you have fun. Exactly.
There was one, I think it was like show one, and there was like miscommunication or something. The camera guy was a really sweet guy, but he thought it was his job to just keep walking down the aisle and back up the aisle with the camera.
And I'm like, bro, they got to believe that this is kind of just happening. And when you walk in front of them with a camera, the illusion kind of falls apart, right? They feel like they're part of a filming instead of like just part of this show.
So yeah, that's the trick. I wish I didn't even have to tell them we were filming.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Right, just make it be a regular show.
This is just a show. So if you guys yell out or do something, this is as natural as it could possibly be.
I wonder if you probably that in hindsight yeah i mean earlier ones i was able to do that but i think this one i don't know this one maybe i was like nervous i was like fuck i really want to make sure that we could you know fill that place four times and you know i don't know huge venue it's beautiful what is that yeah it's the beacon in new york wow yeah it's pretty yeah dude this looks i mean i thought i was like this is unbelievable looking oh thanks man yeah you guys crushed it even the font that they chose for andrew schultz life i thought was perfect there was just a lot of great choices i thought yeah the the first uh the a netflix special the you know the first thing that comes up on the black screen that's actually my wife's handwriting oh really yeah yeah she wasn't aware that that's what it was, but it was... Because I don't know how far you are in the special yet, but most of it is this journey of us trying to get pregnant.
Yeah, yeah. That's where I'm at.
I'm at to like, let me think. Oh, after you saw the baby, but you haven't gone through the journey about getting pregnant, it's just the actual seeing the child, I guess.
The C-section, the story, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dude, it's incredible. Congrats, man.
Thanks, man. Thank you.
Yeah, good to see you, man. Great to see you, man.
Unbelievable, bro. Unbelievable.
It's freaking been a while, dude. You've been caught up in some beef.
You were in the fucking rat beef. I was like, yes, dude.
I thought you were going to pop out at Super Bowl. You know, I was supposed to go to the Super Bowl.
I was supposed to be part of the show i was like how wild is this shit gonna get no i know we were gonna go actually how about you were there right no i didn't go man i was me and david spades started making that movie and so we were we had to shoot that how's that going it's interesting man it's done do you like do because i remember like years ago when we were doing the pod there was a you know hopefully you don't feel bad about me sharing, but you had some frustration with not being able to create these projects. Do you remember us having these conversations where you really wanted to make a TV show and didn't feel like those doors were open? And now you're making this movie, you're on top of the world.
It must feel pretty cool. Well, I think we just did it ourselves.
Nobody wanted to make it. We took it out.
We took it to the streamers and we- Oh, you created your own movie? Yeah. You filmed it before even pitching it to them? No, no, no.
We pitched it first. Okay.
Right. So we pitched it and nobody- No way.
Oh, dude, we couldn't get- And it was Spade, you know? I'm like- Even with you and Spade at this point in your career, there was still hesitation. I just felt like it would have been nice to feel some support there, you know? Yeah.
Like it like hey look just even as a good faith thing we'll do that you know something also you probably got ptsd too from like years of wanting to do these things and not really feeling that's true and then like now you're at this point we're on top of the world you're like all right now everybody's gonna give me the opportunity and then to still feel that oh that sucks yeah but. Yeah, but then I realized it's just how it is.

It's just life.

Yeah, I think I didn't feel like,

I don't know if I felt on top.

I felt like this was a brave thing we're trying to do.

Yeah.

It was a new thing I was learning,

but I felt like with Spade,

it kind of was going to be okay because-

Kind of a no-brainer.

Right, he knows what he's doing.

That's the other thing is like,

giving us money to make a movie,

like we're kind of knuckleheads.

It's kind of a bad idea.

Yeah, it is.

Like to us, it's a great idea.

We're like, we'll figure it out.

They're like, have you done this before?

And I'm like, nah, but it's just, it's a movie, right?

It can't be that hard, right?

But a guy like Spade, he's done it before.

Yeah, he'll fucking know.

He'll have the camera in his trunk of his car.

It's easy.

Everything will be fine.

We got all figured out.

Yeah, why do we have that attitude?

Like we want to make a movie and it costs $30 million. And we're like, these fucking assholes.
How dare they not give us $30 million even though we've proven we can do nothing? What is that about? That's kind of on us a little bit. Oh, totally.
Is that narcissism? Is it ego? Well, I think I would never think, give me dirt. I would never.
Like, if they even try to do something like that. I'd be like, this is insane.
But I think what I realized in it was I just want to do something if I can do it by myself, whether it's win or lose. It's like, yes, I'd rather make it something small.
And then and even if some like was like, hey, come do it with us or some studio. I don't want to do that.
It's like I just want to do something that it's like, will people like this yeah will they believe that i tried my best like even if it's not that good it's like that's okay i can just tell people that go to see it in advance hey i'm not going to be that great in it but it'll be a cool movie yeah you know like i just don't want to lie to it's just like as long as there's this a transparency then i think it's fine i think people admire those uh that take risks i think that's almost like an american thing in general we like risk takers we like people who are brave and i wonder if it's baked in our dna a little bit like our family members that left their families around the world to never see them again for like maybe an opportunity here right like i think that we're probably we have like the dna of the biggest risk takers on the planet. Yeah.
Like Christopher Columbus, dude, like what about his sister or whatever? Boring bitch. Yeah.
She just got left and fucking wherever probably lived a way better life. She's not learning native American.
She's just chilling. She's out over here.
Lying the Indians for lunch. Just shows up.
What do you mean there's no gold? But dude,

imagine taking off

in a boat.

People are like,

where are you headed?

You're like,

I don't fucking know.

You're trying to be cool, right?

Because it's like

your last day on the docks

or whatever.

You're like,

I don't know.

We'll figure it out

when we get out there.

When we get out there.

You've got to be

selling the dream though.

You're like,

no, no, no.

Trust me.

That's true.

Trust me.

It's crazy over there.

Yeah,

they got everything.

Women,

you get out there.

I heard they could get a couple miles out there. There's just a lot of women out there.
They got them on the way. You don't even have to make it the whole way.
They got stops. Yeah, it is.
So anyway, so I think naturally you get a lot of success. There are going to be people that enjoy seeing you fail or whatever it is.
But unfortunately, I guess human beings, we got that in us a little bit. But I do also feel like the people that ride seeing you fail or whatever it is but uh unfortunately i guess human beings we got that in us a little bit but um i do also feel like the people that ride for you appreciate the risk that you'd be taken yeah i do think all of us as comedians i think they do i think that's one of the reasons why comedians are in podcasts and maybe does well is because well for one i think we try to i don't know this sounds fucking egomaniacal i have no idea say it but no i heard somebody say that like a lot of podcasters they're just trying to figure out the truth they just they're not like we don't work for anybody so it's like you if you ask somebody a question it's just because you want to know usually it's not because like there's a producer saying let's let's get this answer yeah curiosity is kind of punished in a way but maybe it's because they'll put us on such a pedestal.
They're like, you should know the answer to these things. It's like, well, I don't.
And that's why this guy's here because I'm trying to figure out the answer to it. And I just want to know their take.
Right. I might not even be able to communicate that well or rebuttal or grill them that well, but I just want to like.
I want to grill them. I want to know what they think.
And then I'll bring somebody else who thinks something different and I'll ask him that and but yeah that is i guess maybe some criticism it's like uh well why'd you ask why didn't you ask this question or why didn't you rebuke uh rebuke that and it's like bro i don't know i don't know anything just yeah i'm not a doctor i'm not a politician like i got in this own trap of just because the last year we got to have some political people on the podcast and i was like then dude there was there was like a month ago I started thinking like, oh, I'm a political

guy, right?

Did you feel like you had

to be informed? Were you like reading Wall Street Journal

and shit? I just like, I thought

like, because here was a crazy thing. People

started coming up to me. A political guy.

Yeah, dude. Well, people would come up to me

and ask me about political shit. I was like.

Like asking your take? Yeah, dude. I was like, I don't fucking know.
I don't know, dude. Well, people would come up to me and ask me about political shit.
Like asking your take? Yeah, dude. I was like, I don't fucking know.
I don't know, dude. Like, you know, or like, so, but then I started to realize, wow, people's perceptions are affected, like how they see people, where they see them at and stuff.
And then I was like, well, I do have some political thoughts. Like most of them are just kind of regular people's kind of thoughts and ideas.
Like they're not super in depth. But yeah, I think for like a week I started smoking my own nuts and thinking I was like fucking J.
Edgar Hoover or somebody. I actually think that whatever your perception or your feelings are about something, that's actually more valuable than what the factual truth is.
Because most people aren't reading up on the factual truth. You've got to meet people where they are emotionally.
That's a good point. And the people are trusting their gut.
So I think, yeah, when, when you, when you do just talk to somebody and you don't let the people, let people decide, well, do I, do I think like I believe that guy? Do I, you know, and then they get to decide. And you might hate what that person says, but don't dismiss him because there might be a lot of people that feel that same way.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot of people like I've heard people say this a lot.
They go, you know, the economy actually wasn't that bad under Biden or whatever it is. And it's like, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro.
You can't tell somebody who feels the economy is bad that it's not bad. That's a good point.
Right? Like if they feel like the eggs are expensive, that's what they feel. It's like I would i would say this like if i get into an argument with my wife like i do something to piss her off and um like she doesn't want me to explain to her why she shouldn't be upset right like that never works right like i know you're upset but you shouldn't be because of these reasons she's like fuck you she just wants me to be like hey my bad i hey, my bad.
I'm sorry I made you feel that way. And I feel like our whole political discourse, and I don't know anything about politics, but I feel like the whole political discourse is just like, you're wrong because.
And then the other side going, you're wrong because. And then it's just shows set up to dunk on one another.
Like there's no good faith conversation. And the second we're out here having like a good faith conversation, like we bring somebody on and we're just like, so what do you feel about the world people go to us like you fucking asshole how dare you not dunk on that guy like how dare you not humiliate him on your podcast so i can feel good at home it's crazy right yeah yeah and you can't win like we had like candace owens and hassan piker they're like different sides of the aisle last week right you had you like rogan had ian carroll and you had candace on like i think the same day it was a tough tough week for israel stayed inside she went to the tunnels they're like everybody into the tunnels put the mattresses back in son we gotta figure we, I didn't fucking know.
I thought, well, somebody from the left is somebody from the right, right? Yeah. But I didn't.
Oh, bro. Sorry to go.
Yeah, I had no idea. I was just like, okay, let's hear some different thoughts and different opinions or whatever.
That's the other thing I realized. I think it was after the last special, right? I was like, okay, you know what? I'm going to kind of chill.
I want to spend time with my family, my friends. I'm not going to go out and do as many pods and stuff like that.
I got a lot of work that I'm doing at home. And I don't know.
I'm not saying I'm famous, but I don't know what the fuck it is to be famous. I never wanted to be famous.
I knew that that might have been a byproduct of having success in comedy, but it wasn't like I never studied being famous. I didn't give a fuck about like how to be a famous person does that make sense like we i mean well who knew that podcasts would have such would be uh and clips of podcasts would get out so be huge right yeah so like i remember i was like okay i'm not i'm just gonna chill i'm like i'm not gonna be doing as many pods etc and uh that's the thing that i realized like having different voices on your pod doesn't really do anything for your for the people's perception of you that aren't your fans.

Wait, say it one more time.

So I hear it.

So like so we probably I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like we probably think like I'm going to have different voices on my podcast.

And like, one, I'm curious and I want to know what they think.

But two, I want to also like let the people out there in the world know, like, I care hearing from different people and I care about having diversity of thought on my podcast. Right.
The people that don't know you, the casuals are just judging you by the worst thing you've ever had on your podcast and the worst thing you've ever said. Yeah.
I didn't realize this until recently. The best way to like thwart those perceptions of you is not by having people on your show because the casuals don't watch your show.
It's by going to your biggest critics show and sitting down with them or not even your biggest critic, but like going to somebody who like might have a very different like worldview than you. And then you guys sit down and realize, oh, shit, we actually don't have that different worldview.
Yeah. That was all perception.
Anyway, I think a lot of times we go, OK go okay we're really busy it's like hard for us to go around and do different shows and that kind of stuff because i i think our perception is is not going like how can i be the most famous person like i don't give a fuck i want to make the coolest stand-up that i possibly can i want to hang out with my friends and i want to talk some shit on podcast like that's enough for me yeah but i've realized the importance now of going to other people's homes and having those conversations. You know, like we had Hassan on our pod.
It probably would have been more beneficial for me to also go on his stream and talk to him and let him bring up shit that I said and like tell me and have him tell me like why I'm missing this like nuance point and be like, oh, that's interesting. like that might actually be better for the people that barely understand me or don't even know me

to have like a more holistic view of of me and like understand who i am right to actually go into their world a little bit more yeah because then you find things about me that might not come up on the pot yeah like you start asking me things about like how i feel about you know i don't know whatever it is i don't know if it's fucking like marxism or some shit like that and i go oh yeah maybe actually that kind of sounds good on paper yeah i don't know it'd be nice if there was a little bit more equality for people and people who had nothing had the ability to come up that'd be pretty cool yeah a little light marxism yeah just light no you know i mean hey you gotta cut it with something you need majority capitalism you know it's like a cappuccino you know what i mean you can't have we're not taking espresso shots of Marxism. You know what I mean? We like capitalism.
Yeah, just a fucking latte. Just, yeah, half-calf.
Exactly. Damn, dude.
Yeah, I don't know. It's definitely been – mainstream media just got so – I don't know.
The whole thing has been bizarre, man. Being part of podcasting you know all the strange little connections that are out there i mean like you were saying get uh gavin newsom just started a podcast where he's having people who kind of disagree with him when he had charlie kirk on i think it's a really smart thing which is pretty wild you know it's a really smart thing um we're talking about that at the beginning and dove your producer said that well he felt like this was kindom's last hope, too.
It's like because he was probably he's probably on the way out. So unless he could do something to salvage that.

100%.

But having a podcast and having people you don't agree with hang out with you for a while is pretty brave. It's also like, that's the exact word I was going to, it's like brave.

You want to show bravery.

And I think like, not to be political or whatever, but I think in the last, again, I don't care

about politics, but like culture is interesting to me.

But I think in the last, i don't care about politics but like culture is interesting to me but i think in the last you know election with the podcast run and i just want to say personally i don't think that we changed the election at all i have no ego about that that was decided way before us yeah like it it maybe made people feel more comfortable voicing how they were already vote. But I don't think people are watching like I'm completely flipped on this.
Yeah, that's insane also. Yeah.
But yeah, I think that the lack of representation of Kamala and even like her constituents on the podcast run, I think it showed a lack of bravery. The feeling was like, oh, they're scared to go have potentially tough conversations.
It wasn't even going to be tough with us. I know.
What are we going to grill her on? I couldn't even think of a thing. I mean, I heard that she roller skated a lot and I wouldn't be curious about that.
But it's like, other than that, it's like, I don't know what I would have talked about. But her people are going, we can't go on feel.
I mean, he's just going to come with the hard-hitting questions. Like, what? Right, like something like that is insane.
But don't you appreciate that? Like, as much as Gavin Newsom just seems like a plastic bag in the wind, I'm also like, I'm brave you're willing to sit down on something recorded. I wouldn't talk to Charlie Kirk.
That motherfucker is a good arguer i know candace too candace i always say that's rogan said candace is john wick you do not get in her fucking way uh-uh oh she yeah she's definitely uh yeah when you said her kid looked like anthony smith i was like you better i was like you a crazy motherfucker right here bro and look That daughter, and look, a beautiful kid. Beautiful.
You just stop at beautiful. That's what you do.
You stop at beautiful. Because you do not want Candace to get fixated.
Okay? You do not want her to get fixated. The second she comes up with a Theo video, you got to hope something happens in Israel past.
Shift the attention. Gazoon type.
I need a bucket. that was layered because you made it German as well I brought that in I can't believe that happened thank you dude Gazuntite is good I did not believe that was going to come up I just started with Gaza and then I was like this won't be funny I hope people get how layered that is that is good that was teamwork though I don't know about that went one-on-one right there.
I said that her daughter looks a little bit like... She's beautiful.
Oh, the daughter is beautiful. I think what we gotta say is that Anthony Smith is a beautiful little girl.
I think that's the better way of describing it. He's a savage fighter.
He's the fisty Charlemagne, baby. That's what I think is all safe to say here.

Yo, he does look

mixed a little bit.

Is he mixed?

Anthony, yeah, he is.

Mixed for what?

I don't know.

I think he's, you know,

he's latte or whatever

they call it.

He is.

But Anthony's incredible

and that little,

and that daughter

looks incredible.

Oh, she's beautiful.

I know.

Yeah, she's beautiful.

But shout out to Candice. It's so funny how like Shout out to Char to Charlamagne too.
I just made a joke one time about him. I said he was handsome.
Oh, he's handsome. Yeah, he's handsome.
He loved that one. And I don't remember what happened with it, but I just thought it was- I think he brought it up.
He was like, this is a deal. I'm handsome.
He doesn't age though. Oh, dude, no.
He's killing it. He's.
Yeah. I would like to get to meet him.
I've never, I don't know if I've ever met him. I got to connect you guys, man.
Yeah. You guys would have a great talk.
I bet we probably would. Oh, yeah, of course.
Yeah, I saw that they just had, who did they have on there that I love? Who on Breakfast Club? Yeah. I can't remember.
You know, the Candace Baldoni stuff, I don't know if you were following that at all.

I didn't get into that.

I don't get into a lot of the celebrity lore.

The only reason why it's interesting to me is that Candace has been positioned in a way on the internet, right?

And she existed there and people had her opinions on her and everybody was stuck.

They're like, that's this girl?

And bad?

No, no, no, no, no. We don't listen to her her at all and she started talking about that Baldoni Blake Lively thing and even my wife was hitting me like have you heard this Candace Owens girl talking about I mean she just exposes the whole thing like it's crazy how like like social utility frames how people see you so you could be a bad guy and then you start talking in depth

about something that people care about

and then all of a sudden,

while you're talking about that,

you're a good guy.

You're a hero.

That's interesting.

Like, what does that say about us?

Is it...

What's the same with the politic thing?

It's like people see you talking to a politician

and now like at your Christmas and family stuff, people are coming up and talking to you about, asking you about politics and shit and foreign protocol or whatever. You're like, what the fuck? What should we do in Syria, Theo? You're like, man, let me make a call or two.
I don't know. Yeah, people are asking if I was going to be an ambassador to something or whatever.
Why would you be an ambassador to? I don't know. You're going to ask for Louisiana.
Yeah, maybe. We don't need one of them, but we should make a special position.
Yeah, but we need – hey, look. I don't know if you've heard some of the slang down there, but we need someone who can communicate.
We need an interpreter between the White House and Boosie, okay? Because we're fucking – we're losing information. Theo Vaughn for ambassador of Louisiana.
The greatest thing the Trump administration has ever done. Shake it like a doll, baby.
Do what you do. I'll just be fucking...
I'll be breaking down rap lyrics for him. Dude, that is creepy.
Is that Robert Greene's face on the 48 Laws of Power? Oh, my God. That is one of the most terrifying things I keep looking at, like, over your shoulder.
That's crazy. I thought it was Dexter.
Now, he looks like Vigo from Ghostbusters 2. Remember the dude in the painting? Mm-mm.
Bring him up. Vigo.
Did you see Ghostbusters 2? No, no. I didn't see it.
My mom wouldn't let us watch that kind of stuff. Oh, wow, he does.
And so do I a little bit. No.
And so does Alan Dershow See, you are involved in politics. You know all these names.
You're plugged in, bro. But aren't we plugged in? The funny thing about Candace is they were like, you're an anti-Semite.
And she's like, fucking call me whatever you want. I have one of the top 10 podcasts in the world.
She really don't care. She doesn't give a fuck.
And the amount of people that amount of people that listen to her. It's true.
It's true. And she changes public sentiment.
Like, she flipped that whole Blake Lively-Baldoni thing. That flipped.
Like, he was a, I don't want to say pariah, but people were like, this guy's a fucking douchebag. Another one of these, like, I'm a male feminist guys, and then you're really a creep on set.
She completely 180'd the internet on that. Baldoni got to give her a check.
That's a good point. She don't even want it, I bet.
She got to be so rich because you need to have some money to be that brave and have kids. That's a good point, huh? Right, like once you have kids, you got to make sure you can protect those kids.
The dad must be like a rifleman or something. The dad of the babies, right? Yeah, has to be yeah they're gonna hire anthony smith now to actually help protect the family that'd be pretty great actually denzel washington man on fire yeah that'd be pretty great dude that'd be so great they show up to their next someplace with the whole family and anthony smith is their fucking body That would be pretty sick, dude.
Bro, she could be in the bodyguard. That's the new bodyguard starring Candace Owens and Anthony Smith.
Wow. Whose baby is it? Actually, you don't want to do that.
No, she'll get pissed, dude. You don't want to do that.
And what if she breaks the story down and she finds out that it's... That's the whole story.
Stop it. Stop it.
Stop it. You have a deep dive on her and she does it.
She's surprised by her own results. You would never see that coming.
No, but that sounds like a cool... It actually sounds like a cool movie or something.
But we're just joking, Candice. Candice, by the way, we want no problems at all.
We want zero problems. Are we all looking into the cams when we say this? We want zero problems.
Yep. Okay, zero problems.
Our wine scene didn't do it. Wait, wait, wait.
That's what she's on. That's right.
That's what she's saying now. That's what she's saying.
But I will say this. You can't predict her at all.
No. She's brave and she's thorough.
Yeah. And she's never lost a lawsuit.
She is relentless, bro. But it is kind of crazy how like the mainstream media had just been this machine and then now you're starting to see like, oh, well, what about these stories you never heard about? What about the fact that some information might not even be true because it was all just kind of like part of a plan? Like that shit's kind of wild.
Yeah. And that makes podcasting and like freelance communication or whatever it's called.
Yeah. Even more interesting.
Well, yeah. I don't even know what to believe now.
When I'm, you see clips and I start, but I'm like, oh, this is what I, and you're like, dude, I haven't, there's no real place to get completely factual truth. Well, maybe because your instinct.
Yeah. But maybe because like there is no completely factual truth.
That could be it too. I I think that's the thing.
I think it was probably easier when there's a few different news channels to disseminate information. We all agree on more like, hey, this is what happened during the Civil War.
This is what happened during the Revolutionary War. This is what happened during World War II.
I didn't even know Russia did anything during World War II until a few years ago. I found out 25 million Russians died War II.
Nuh-uh. Yeah.
Are you serious? Yeah. Pull that up.
How many Russians died in World War II? That's unbelievable. You don't ever hear about that.
Never hear. But why would we teach that? Right.
You know? But it gives you a different concept of who did what. 27 million.
Wow. Oh my God.
Yeah. 19 million civilian deaths, 8.7 million military deaths.

That's the thing with Russia.

It's tricky.

It's like.

So they were an allied force, right?

Yeah.

And then immediately afterwards, you know, we started beefing in the Cold War and all that kind of stuff.

But yeah, we had a united cause at one point in time because I think Hitler invaded Russia.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

But the problem with invading Russia is like they have a, like a cultural acceptance of misery. Right.
So they kind of like it in the beginning. Is that what you're saying? Of war? You're saying? They're like, oh, finally, this is our, we're back to homeostasis.
Be our guest. Be our guest.
Yeah. Like, I don't know.
Yeah, exactly. So, so't know.
I just feel like Americans, we like it.

We like nice shit.

We like being comfortable.

We're brave.

That's what I will say.

I don't have concerns about us losing a war because I do think that we value freedom.

I don't think we would ever accept being controlled by another country.

I think that the majority of us would rather die before that happened. Or we just don't know that it's happening.
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My nose is a little bigger than his, though.

Lip is the same.

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I looked at that two times.

I was like, I wonder how they did that, but let's go.

Wow. Yeah.
It's not going to age well. It'll be fine.
Candace, we're joking. It's all jokes.
But, yeah, I mean, if you see a Charleston White video before you go to sleep, that's the last one you see. That's a wild dude, Charleston.
Have you had him on your show? No, have you? Uh-uh.-uh that's a wild dude man he is just so unpredictable every the next sentence he says it's also one of these things where it's like people who say wild shit can also be hilarious let's stop acting like both of those can't be true you know what i mean like him dr umar i love dr umar i've been trying to get dr umar on my show forever really he on well he thinks I want to debate him oh yeah and I don't think he understands that like I'm just a fan like I just think he's a hilarious communicator does the culture, does black culture fuck with Dr. Umar or no? as the spokesman for black culture I would say yes yeah I would say yes that's fair yeah that's fair yeah because I know sometimes people are iffy on Charleston White in the black culture, you know? Yeah.
Yeah, because I feel like maybe it's like his position is more critical. Right.
Whereas like maybe Dr. Umar also has the same critiques of certain things.
But he is like, hey, we're black first and we got to stay united. We got to lock this down.
We got to do what's best for the community. But he is a like magnificently gifted speaker.
Like he just talks in sound bites. He has this like pastoral repetition.
Like remember like early Chris Rocca, who he would like repeat the premise over and over again. And it kind of like just emblazoned into your head.
But yeah, man, have you ever talked to him? Charleston White? No, no. Dr.
Humor? Yeah I just- You're familiar with him, right? I just heard about him, no joking, one week ago. No way.
Somebody mentioned, have you seen Dr. Umar? Uh, I think my buddy Zita told me about him and showed me him.
Oh, dude, he was- I thought this- Oh, I thought that was fucking Kendrick Perkins or whatever. I just saw this guy.
So you thought Dr. Umar was moonlighting on TNT? And now everybody's just trusting.
Everything he says. I was like, how did he fucking change? You're like, why is Drewski going to him for dating advice? Why is Kendrick Perkins? Because of the military.
They came after Drewski. Yeah, that bullshit-ass claim against Odell, too.
That's the thing. And then, like, whatever girl did that shit, like, we'll never hear from her again, so you can just say these stupid shit.
It's just... You should have to go to jail for that.
Yeah. You should have to go to jail for that shit.
Yeah. Because he has to go out and say, I didn't do that.
Like, that's a crazy thing to have to say as a human. Jay-Z had to say that shit, and then they just dropped the lawsuit.
Did you see that? Againstz yeah and then again nobody even notices when the lawsuit gets dropped it's like you got to scream it from the rooftops or else nobody will pay attention and that goes to that like hater shit with the successful it's like that story was so popular because there was probably a lot of people that were like man fuck jay-z for having a perfect wife and an amazing family and a child and billions of dollars yeah he probably did that shit damn and so then they'll they're the ones tweeting it sharing it everything and there's bots now i mean it's just it's definitely bizarre you gotta trust your own gut but yeah you could see an article it's the last thing you saw and then you're like people are like damn wasn't that guy addicted to drugs you're like that guy is just won an oscar it's just like you know i'm saying if you didn't tap in and what's been going on you know it's all crazy man you'll see stories about yourself that are crazy i saw a story that i was like a all a jar cheese

child or something from the third generation or something and i was like like a billionaire

stepchild or whatever and i was like what are you fucking i was like if my dad if we had any money

yeah they'd never no one ever had it but yo here's the thing with that story is like

Thank you. what are you fucking i was like if my dad if we had any money yeah they'd never no one ever had it but yo here's the thing with that story is like that story is just to discredit you right like if you come from crazy money everybody gets to go i see it's not real and he actually didn't have to experience this kind of traumatic childhood and like this is all bullshit it's like the story is specifically designed to cut your legs out from under you yeah it's like why why do people want to do that why is that and maybe it's in all human beings maybe it's just something that we have to to grapple with but uh but i imagine like the more confident you are in yourself the more happy you could be for people who get success yeah that's a good point man i think realizing that i think well i think for a while you come from like a scarcity mentality you know where you're like man shit's not gonna like fuck somebody's something bad's gonna you know this ain't gonna be okay this is gonna go away right this starts to change or like the government's just gonna come and take everything from you you can't believe that it's happened after so many years of trying yeah and then also you like you don't know how to have like things and so you're like well dude i remember being ashamed of myself when i didn't have anything and being ashamed of myself when i did have something but it was really crazy it was like i tried to hide always mask my life because i didn't want people thinking that seeing that i didn't have anything or that i didn't feel like i was anything and then even when i got a house in nashville it's a nice home it's not like you know some crazy it's a it's a nice home but it's not a like a billion dollar home or anything but um I didn't want to show people my life I just didn't want them to see like you know I don't it's just fucking crazy it was like so in the end there was some part of me that just didn't want to be that either only cared about what you thought or just didn't want to be happy for myself no matter what.
And then you can never feel comfortable no matter where you are in this journey, man.

And that's, I guess, what would they say?

That comes down to self-acceptance.

It's like once you accept it, you should be entitled to your success and you work hard for it.

Then you're not as dependent on the validation of others.

I know.

It's hard to get away from that. I don't know if it's hard.
Some things like doing ayahuasca, that kind of stuff has helped a lot of that stuff go away though. Yeah.
That kind of stuff's been, been a, you've done that a few times. Oh yeah.
Yeah. I like it, dude.
Really? Yeah. You do it enough times.
I give you this jacket. Oh yeah.
Definitely. Some guy walks out of the jungle in Costa Rica.
Jaqueta. Para ti.
You get a punch card. Before that, I was control.
You get an Eagles and a Letterman jacket. That is so ridiculous, dude.
That is cool. You know who told me? Neil told me that.
Oh, yeah. Neil Brennan became the, he became like this connector.
Go on. But no, I think that's kind of what it is.
Like, you of his superpowers is his cynicism. He's constantly consumed.
I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but he's constantly consumed of what the worst case scenario of something would be or what the worst person would think about the thing he's doing. What's good about that is when you're creating stuff, there's an advantage in that you're always thinking about what your biggest critic could say.
So maybe you really try to sharpen every premise and sharpen every joke and make sure there's no fat and it's like infallible. And the negative aspect about that is that like, if you're just creating for them, it's hard to create something authentically.
And then he said, he was like, listen, after I did that, like that voice started to dim a bit and like i didn't have i wasn't constantly consumed with the critic and i was able to make i think my best shit i think that's true it's like it's hard to create authentically when you're worried about what critics would say like you're just making shit for them you know like for somebody especially when your whole life you've only tried to you've gained a lot of your acceptance from other people yeah you know i think that's probably been a lot of my life but i didn't even know who i was there wasn't a me so the only thing there was was your reaction yeah so i didn't fucking do you think you found yourself i think it's gotten better as i've gotten older i think some of it is getting older you just kind of just kind of like, I can't even fucking, whoever you are, motherfucker, we got to fuck. Come out.
We ain't got a lot of time left, bro. You've been hiding for 40 years.
My boy ain't like enjoy some of this shit. We got a new jacket.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, bro.
Hey, man, come on out, man. We got to figure this shit out, Tom.
You just getting tired of it? That's funny. That's great, dude.
Yeah, so I don't know. But I think also you just get older and you're like, there's just no.
Whatever part of you that still cares about that shit starts to go away. I think it's just exhausted too.
Chasing its tail kind of. Maybe that's the release for you with something like Ayahuasca where instead of like constantly searching for what it is and who you are, you do feel connected to whatever this greater existence is.
And you just get to go, okay, I'm not going to fucking worry all day about what exactly I am and what I don't have and just be this, you know, bottomless pit that a lot of us in entertainment can be. Like there is, and maybe that's what you need.
Maybe you need that reminder. Yeah.
Maybe you need that reminder you're part of something bigger. Yeah, I think that, that's a good point because once you feel like you're part of something bigger, there's some connection, then you kind of don't just think about yourself.
You're not as isolated. Yeah, you're not.
There's something liberating about knowing things are way bigger than you. Yeah.
When it's not bigger than you, it's very easy to get caught in your own head it's fuck it's a lot of pressure i imagine if you're just thinking about you and like how you're being perceived and if you're becoming the man you thought you would be and you know if you feel comfortable with the success you've had how other people will react to that success oh yeah that's crippling that shit yeah there's a lot of stuff that's kind of like scary i think as get older. I think popularity is kind of scary.
Watching your own ego and being conscious of what is your ego and what is just you trying to have some self-confidence in yourself especially if some of those things are kind of like you're kind of a late bloomer and some of that shit happens simultaneously. What's an example of that? Even thinking about I knew something about politics it was like just the fact that it took me a couple weeks to realize dude you don't know about fucking politics like yeah you got to talk to some political people um but do and how much do they really know and but it's like don't that's a trap right what do you know about you know about like being curious you know about like wanting to talk to different people you know about trying to be funny, you know? I think politics is always a reflection of culture.
Like politics is downstream from cultural needs and necessities. And I think that one of the things that's made you so successful is I think you're deeply connected to culture.
Like you're aware of what people are feeling. You're aware of what they're frustrated by.
And, you know, regardless if there's like data analysis to back up every single one of those claims like to me that doesn't mean anything like you can list out all the facts you fucking want but like you're aware of people's frustrations and um politicians have to react to that so you don't need to know like what fucking senator is pushing what bill because they're all reacting to the thing that you're more acutely aware of probably than even them yeah yeah i guess it like you can't be a comedian if or at least a high performing comedian if you're not in touch with like what people are feeling yeah like at its core i think that's really what makes somebody a good comic it's like yeah and how to stay like just how to like stay and stay connected to that type of thing, I guess, you know? And sometimes with success, it's harder to connect to it. And it's also harder for them to connect to you.
That's probably why you want to hide the house in Nashville. You're like, fuck, well, they feel like they can't relate to me because of this new life I live.
That's something that, like, so I grew up in New York City, right? And, like... In the city I grew up in Manhattan and one of the things about growing up in Manhattan it's incredibly humbling like you never feel you weren't in the newsies you weren't in the newsies I was in the newsies were you really? no I was in the newsies did people ask you that before? no no you're the first person oh I'm sorry dude I can't remember when that was

but I love that movie

good little movie

I think Christian Bale

was in that shit

yeah

yeah yeah

Crutchy

that little guy

he's like give me the paper

so fucking

that was my childhood

but I'm just saying

fucking

bullshit

you got a fucking kid

on one crutch

hiking through fucking

hiking up the LIC

with a fucking

sack of newspapers

dude

LIE

LIE

the LIE

with a sack of newspapers

man

Thank you. fucking sell the newspapers hiking up the lic with a fucking sack of newspapers dude l-i-e l-i-e l-i-e with a sack of newspapers but anyway like you just humble constantly you never feel like you got money there's always somebody way richer there's always somebody with a way better job there's always some of the better like because you're in the city where the most successful of all the people have so you never feel like you never feel this this concern that you were talking about which is like oh if i show this nice thing i have people will think that i'm i consider myself better than them or something if you grow up in new york you never feel that way because there's always someone so much higher than you you know what i mean there's always some so much more wealthy so it's just this there's like a hustle mentality which is like i'm gonna work really fucking hard yeah for as long as i possibly can and i'm gonna try to get some nice shit but i'm gonna earn it i'm not gonna just have it handed to me i'm gonna fucking bust my ass but when i do get it i don't feel guilty about it because it ain't even as close as nice as the guy who lives three blocks that way yeah Yeah.
But I understand, like, my mom's from Scotland, like, fucking, you know, comes from nothing. There's that sentiment of, like, you getting something nice, the community could feel like, oh, do you think you're better than us now because you got this fancy house? Oh, yeah.
When I was a kid, like, if somebody could read, people would call him a f***er. You know? like if you got if somebody brought home a b on our bus dude it fucking you were just a just a fucking sick homosexual yes you know yeah you fucking yeah they would beat you up i mean they would let people ride home on our bus with no shirts on and i'm like and yeah i'm like well why don't people have to have shirts on or whatever but it was just like yeah it was just yeah i don't know it's tough you want to kind of stay like i don't know as your life changes and as you get all things change your life gets bigger and you kind of sometimes want to just stay the same like i think there's parts of moments in my life that i really miss where i was real comfortable and i think as your life changes sometimes it probably is like a new space what's it been like for you having a child since I know a lot of your special was about it? The greatest.
Was that something that took away a lot of that just worrying about yourself type of thing? And did it really? Or was that something that people just say? I'm glad that you asked that second question. But the weird thing about having a kid is it is literally every cliche that anybody has ever said.
That's a little Shiloh. Dang, huh? Little cutie.
Wow, at the beach, rich, huh? What UFC fighter does she look like? Oh, no, hold on. Don't do it.
Huh? Don't do it. I think we got to do it.
But for your wife, you have to say that. She, she, she, she.
She, and this is, Nick, you know who it is. He's got a fight coming up.
Michael Chandler. A little, but he's fighting Volkanovski.
Oh, Diego Lopez? A little bit. Oh, my God.
He's a pretty motherfucker. I'll take that one.
That's a compliment. That was acceptable.
That's got to be a new segment on the Theobard Podcast. What? Yo, yo, yo, he's good.
He's good. He's good.
Oh. That's pretty cute.
Oh, little cutie. I don't want to.
Now I still want him to hear me say that. But there's something very charming about him.
She's a beautiful young lady. That's going to be a great fight.
Shout out Volk too, man. That is a, I think that is an exciting fight, huh? Yeah.
Seeing Volkanovski sing the other night about that shit was so fun. You got a little voice, bro.
I know. He's got a good voice.
And it's just fun to see his – like it's so great, I think, if fighters are around long enough where you get to see their personality. Of course.
Like they used to only have to just be so tough, and now they can do that but also like have a bit of showmanship. Yeah, we want to connect to them.
Yeah. But I will – back to the kid.
Back to the kid, yeah, man. It's every cliche you've ever heard times a thousand.
And it, and it's, there's a reason why that exists. I imagine it's like, we all should have this reaction towards children, right? Like their smile is the best smile.
Their laugh is the best laugh. It's the most incredible experience you've ever had in your life.
And there's a little part of you as like a comedian that goes, you know, Oh, I'm going to have these unique takes on being a father. And it is, your takes are so similar to every other person

who's ever been a dad,

which is now I see

as a beautiful thing.

Right.

But yeah,

your life gets really small.

I can only speak for myself,

but like,

I just don't care

as much about other things.

You know,

like I want to spend time

with her.

I want to spend time

with my wife.

And as long as they're proud of me

and happy with me,

that's enough.

Right.

Anything else is, it's icing on the cake. It feels really good.
Like the response to the special feels really good. It's like amazing.
Like all these people who went through IVF and had a similar journey as us to like get pregnant, like they, they talking about like feels really good. Yeah.
But, but I'll tell you one thing, as long as like my wife and baby are, are happy with me like that's yeah it is an amazing i hope you experience it man if that's something that you'd like to experience but it's transformative i'd like to have that man it's cool to hear a parent say that too you know i think that like it's nice to hear a parent say those things about their family did um it's it's so cool man it is also you it like, it's very, very rare in life you get to see somebody give 100%. Like really 100%.
And like when you watch them in labor, it's 100%. Really? It's just they're giving everything they possibly can give.
What happens if they just do 80% or whatever, 60% or? That baby stays in there, bro. Like we had to do a C-section.
We, my wife had to do a C-section. Obviously, it was like, I didn't do anything.
I just sat there like an asshole. And, but it was, but yeah, it's just amazing what they're willing to do.
Like my wife lost a lot of blood and like. Like 50 cent almost.
Literally, it was like, yeah. It's very similar, actually, to what 50 went through.
I got to talk to 50 about that. I was like, dude, you basically got a C-section out there in Jamaica, Queens, bro.
We talk about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 50 C.
50 C. He's good.
He's fucking good. No, but bro, it was like she had no energy left.
She had no blood in her system left. And they ask her, they're like, can you do a little breastfeeding for the baby? Because she needs to eat right now.
And then they're like, if you don't have energy, that's fine. She breastfeeds the baby.
The second the baby pulls off, this is like after, I don't know how long it is. She goes, my wife's like, is she good? And the doctor's, yeah, she's good.
And the second the doctor takes her off, she just closed her eyes and passes out. But it's like, there's this like primal urge to do anything for that.
They'll do anything for that baby. And it is like, yeah, it's a beautiful human experience to watch somebody love something like otherworldly love.
And yeah, I think it's a really important part of if you, if you're lucky enough to be able to it it's a really important part of like the life experience it just makes everything it makes everything small and and uh and worthwhile yeah yeah yeah dude that's yeah it's thanks for sharing that man sure what's it like to see your parents interact with your with your with your child so my dad is my dad has dementia i know he's sick right yeah he had dementia for a while now. So it's hard for him.
You did the intro to your special. Yeah, that was pretty cool.
That was cool, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was wondering, was that tough for you guys to get him to pull it off or it was okay? You know, what's interesting is like he's, like we put the, this is, we filmed that actually at the early part of the tour. I loved how your special started off with a joke because it may be, it just like, oh, I'm already having a nice time.
it was a great choice y'all made it i thought it was one of the best um i thought it was one of the best i'd seen in a while thanks man yeah it was cool to yeah the first one we were thinking about we're like should we just start the joke and then like the first thing is i think i go uh you guys want to hear my favorite new york joke and we could have just cut that line,

but there was part of me that went like,

if I'm just hanging out with friends and I go,

yo, I got a good joke.

You guys, my friends or anybody else in that group will go,

yeah, I like hearing a good joke.

Like, this is why I'm tuning into a special. Like, sometimes I feel like the first joke you tell on stage

is the most inauthentic.

Because it's like, hey, we're going to do this thing where I talk and you guys just listen and once we get into it it will all make sense but the first the first 30 seconds or a minute of it is inauthentic in a way yeah unless i honestly tell you hey you guys ready yeah i'm gonna tell you a joke yeah does that? Why I'm trying to communicate. I've never thought about that before.

Yeah.

There's this kind of moment where everybody pretends like they don't know you're about

to tell it.

Like they kind of like,

there's this weird moment in the beginning.

We have to suspend disbelief or whatever it is.

What's he going to do?

We know what we're going to do.

Juggle or yeah.

Yeah.

Remodel the building.

So I don't know.

I was like,

how do I just make it feel like authentic or natural or whatever?

And,

um,

but yeah,

But it has to be a good idea. building so i don't know i was like how do i just make it feel like authentic or natural or whatever and um but yeah but having my dad do it the intro is just the coolest fucking thing and uh how many takes do you have to do with dementia how many how what is that so that we did it i mean he was able to he was able to knock it out but we tell him the line right before every single time yeah you know just give it up for my son andrew schultz like and it's he goes and says it and you could really feel him it was like really beautiful i'll probably get emotional but but he was like really he really wanted to do it you know yeah and like he was he's been a great father so it's like and uh he's like trying to remember it you know and like yeah it was just really yeah he yeah yeah it was cool that's awesome man it makes me sad kind of kind of.
Not sad, but it makes me. No, it's beautiful.
Yeah, it's something that's real. Yeah, it's beautiful.
Give it up for my son. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Oh, dude, right when I saw that, because I remember seeing the video that you shared about him when you were going to play Madison Square Garden. Yeah, yeah.
And it was like, that was like something that everybody could relate to. And yeah, when I saw it, it was like, because yeah, I don't know.
He was, I keep saying was which is fucked up but like he had a he had a really shitty

dad that like wasn't there for

him at all and

he didn't have me until

like late but he like

he never said this but like he made a decision

that he was not gonna let that happen

again and he was just like

he was just there for

everything like every I don't

know what it's like to not have a dad there for

everything which is an amazing privilege

Thank you. happen again and he was just like he was just there for everything like every i don't know what it's like to not have a dad there for everything which is an amazing privilege don't get me wrong

but like it was just so important to him to like oh let's go throw a base let's play some basketball like whatever you want i need help with homework like whatever it is and um and i you know he has dimension i feel like every see him, I just, like, I just hope he knows that he was incredible. And, like, it's – that I'm nowhere close to where I am without that.
Right. Like, all my confidence comes from him.
Wow. You know, like, every bit of, like, self-belief, like, anything is just – there's this guy who has believed him.
Yeah, is there a part of you – like, so as dementia, I guess someone guess someone's like so who someone is starts to kind of disappear a little bit yeah is that a fair way to say it or not i would say like your short-term memory goes away so i guess memory is broken up into long-term memory and short-term and for someone to get into long-term it just needs to be repeated so he has his long-term memory he like knows the map of new york he can like go around the city but he might forget like what he's going to do right but he knows how to get home yeah but if we took him to florida he wouldn't really know how to get around right and then short term it's like he doesn't really know you know he'll have a conversation with you and then he'll kind of forget he'll bring it back up he has like a few things that he'll like talk about but um i will say that like you know the concern is when this happens is that like something

underneath He has like a few things that he'll like talk about. But I will say that like, you know, the concern is when this happens is that like something underneath is, is bitter and angry.
And like, he just becomes this like resentful human being, but he's pure, man. Like he's just a pure, like loving, good soul.
So he gets to find out every time I see him that he has a granddaughter. And like, that's pretty awesome.
Like, you know, like, like, so there is a, like, if there's a little positive perspective that you can, all you can do is change perspective on shit. So like, I could tell him every single time.
It's like, yeah, I got to talk. He's like, what? Oh my God.
What's that like? You know? And like, so that's cool to tell him. Yeah.
Yeah. That's gotta be super cool.
Yeah, it is. Is there, is there any fear that like, as a part of him him like that the part of him inside that will will forget that you care about him is that is that like a does that make any sense kind of i i my the fear is that i haven't communicated to him enough enough how incredible a job he did and i don't even know if that's important to him right because i don't for you to know it yeah like it's important to me that he knows yeah that he's the goat and like he might not know that like he's and it's interesting it's so interesting like yeah like it's uh yeah it's just so interesting yeah yeah it's like you just want them to know yeah but but then i realized now after having a kid like before i had a kid i thought he was was doing everything just for me.
Like he was doing things that he might not actually want to do, but he's like, I'm going to be there for my kid. And now that I have a kid, you get so much joy.
Oh, you realize. Oh, he was.
Bro, it's this beautiful relationship where like you can selfishly be a good dad. Like taking my kid to the Museum of Natural History the other day was more fun for me than her yeah watching her look at a woolly mammoth you know like and just have her fucking mind blown you know she just she's looking at this she's looking back at me she's like what the fuck is this like and it was just and i'm like we got to go to the museum every week like whatever there is this beautiful where like your selfishness benefits your kid if maybe if you have a healthy relationship i know there's like unhealthy shit right right too but i think i see what you're saying so then it's like now it's like there's no way he couldn't ever know how much i care about him because it almost doesn't even matter because he cares about me so much as a dad you care about your kids so much that as long as they're okay that's then everything else is it you would hope like is that kind of what you're saying a little bit yeah you would hope i mean i mean again right i know there's a lot of instances it's not the case yeah but i mean yeah i would just yeah i would hope i would i hope that's the case like he battled with depression a lot you know like my my family's got a lot of mental illness in it right oh yeah so like uh so he battled with depression a lot, and so it was just, you know,

like, you don't know what to do when you're a kid about that.

Like, I used to take him to the comedy cellar. Before I

ever did comedy, I was like, I thought that, like, if

you laugh, you're not depressed. Like, that's how I thought

it worked. So I'd take my depressed

ass dad to the comedy cellar. Little did I

know he's just listening to depressed comedians.

He's probably getting more depressed.

He's struggling with his life. He gotta to listen to these sad-ass comedians on stage talking about how shitty their life's on.
He's like, this kid is going to kill me. But hey, if it makes his son happy, he's thinking.
He's doing it for me. He's doing it for me.
Damn near almost killed himself. Half the comedians.
You're doing it for him, and he's doing it for you. Damn near almost killed himself.
You're doing it for him and he's doing it for you. That's fucking hilarious, dude.
He's like, he's fucking sitting there, he's fucking just rubbing over. Drinking a Poland Spring, just looking for the vein.
So, but yeah, it's just, you don't know. Dude, what a fascinating thing that he's doing that what a what a unique way to think of a crossroads of a father and son that he's doing it for me and I'm doing it for him that's kind of fascinating you don't know like you just don't know how it works when you're younger like you don't even know like the effects of depression or these types of things especially in his era like 20 years ago he had no idea even, you had no idea even 30 years ago.
Yeah. No idea.
You're just like, Oh, Rod needs to fucking sit in the car by himself. My dad would go sit in the car by himself for a couple hours.
I love it. I love it.
And my mom, well, if you get out of your fucking car, like he wants to be out there sitting out there by himself. The man in our town used to park their trucks behind the win dixie and cry back there sometimes yeah and you'd see him just fucking you know you see a guy open his car doors to let a bunch of tears fall out and close it back yo there is bravery to that though that that's the thing that like i think we look back at that generation who was really trying to figure out how to deal with their mental health and they stiff upper lipped it.

And I think a lot of times we go, oh, they just ignored the problems.

It's like, no, no, you can't ignore depression.

It's not something you could ignore.

You know what I mean?

It's there.

And what they did is they said, you know what?

I'm going to go to my fucking car and I'm going to cry and I'm going to get back and I'm going to be a dad.

I'm going to be a husband and I'm going to take care of his family. And it's like, and I'm going to get my fucking son of Pistons Jersey.
And you're not even a Pistons fan. That's depressing too.
You wanted so badly for this kid to be a Knicks fan. This motherfucker likes the team in Detroit.
In a lame beard. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm glad you can have all that, dude.
That's super cool. Yeah, it is.
It is really cool, man. It is really cool.
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Does it make you look at your wife different? Does a girlfriend or a wife become different once they're a mother? Or what's that's that kind of like 100 yeah you also like you realize like here's something i realize is uh i would i would always call my wife like when i know that the baby's waking up from a nap let's say i'm at the studio or something like that and uh i call and i you know and she knows i'm calling a c shiloh right and uh i once i called my wife and then she was coming back from like a workout class or something. And she was like, oh, I'm not home yet.
So I'm not with Shiloh. And my heart sunk because I was like, oh, fuck.
Like, you don't even think I call for you anymore. So in my effort, you know, to just like connect with my daughter in every possible way I can.
I am forgetting about my connecting with my wife sometimes. And your wife doesn't want to be angry at you for that because she's like, thank God I have a dad who's so committed and just in love with the kid.
But you can't forget about them. Right.
So it's like this constant adjustment. You go, okay, all right.
I got to put like, hey, Shiloh, is your mom home? That kind of thing. Yeah.
I got to call Shiloh. Yeah i gotta i gotta go on the nan it yeah i gotta call i got two phones yeah you gotta put some kevin gates in the freaking when they're nursing dude and the most interesting man in america he's like hey mom's right oh you don't want to talk to me? She gives me the attitude.
No, you can't win. You just want to talk to this old bitch.
So, yeah, you got to do that, man. Oh, damn, dude.
That's crazy. Yeah, it's wild.
Wow, dude. What a neat journey.
And I was just impressing your special. Like, you're just going.
It's like, you know, when I first watched you, you you were such a power I remember the first time I ever saw you at the Black Baby or what's it called the one that's next door to the comedy store Fat Black Pussycat Fat Black Pussycat right Village Underground maybe maybe that one yeah it was one that kind of has the tears in it a little bit yeah yeah Village Underground yeah yeah but dude I was like I had never seen it I was like oh my god and I had to go up after you dude and it was so fucking scary and I was like, I had never seen it. I was like, oh, my God.
And I had to go up after you, dude, and it was so fucking scary. And I was like, just kidding.
I'm sure you killed that shit. I did.
Okay. But, dude, then this is so – and that was – I mean, but that was just like – I mean, that was probably 10 years ago, too.
Yeah, yeah. But then, yeah, this was just so, like, taking me through this story and the journey.
And it was – I don't know. It was cool to see.
It felt, like, grown up a little bit. Yeah, it's just different.
Like, I've never been been personal in my comedy I didn't even think my life was interesting so I was like yeah I was like I thought my opinions on shit were more interesting than my life so I was like I don't need to tell you about what's going on in my life and then and then this thing happened where you know we couldn't get pregnant and it was because of me my sperm sucked no way oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so what happens you take them in the face of shitty sperm bro oh you felt bad for a second you're like hold on yeah well it's just crazy because you have that like spice trader energy you you know you want to know some crazy shit my boy is a spice trader this guy i with, all right? This is my boy. We call him Spice Man.
We legit thought he was a drug dealer for so long because he says, like, I'm a spice trader. Like, he makes little jokes about it that he's not joking.
He'll show up late to a game and he'll be like, man, Sesame was down crazy today. I couldn't find a place to store it.
Damn, boy. And then he'll say- Coriander options.
Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah.
It's literally like a stock market. Yeah, yeah.
Like, he's's back and forth from india so we're like there's no way this is his real life like he sells fentanyl or cocaine or some shit right and he's just saying it's turmeric right so but turns out this motherfucker is a legit 2025 spice trader this is like the oldest job ever We ride here. Yeah, dude, that's it, bro.
We ain't going in anywhere. We're from the past, baby.
How crazy is that? Shout out to Pete, man. Spicy P.
We call it spicy P. Yeah, dude.
Spicy P. That's great.
That'd be a dope-ass job. Just hitting the streets what you want.
He'll just hit me with random spice facts. Thyme, cumin.
Yeah, he was like, bro, you can't store the cumin with the turmeric, right? Because one goes old, and I'm like, oh, yeah, of course, bro. That's a huge storage shit.
It's crazy out there, you know? Yeah, 10 Our Fathers right now. That's crazy.
10 Our Fathers? You can't be doing that, yeah. What does that mean? It's like you confess it in a confessional.
You get a punishment? They make you do those punishments or whatever. Oh, dude, you did the wrestling thing.
Was that interesting? Oh, that was so cool, man. It's cool.
You did a good job. Thanks, bro.
It looked, was it scary? I thought you were going to get slammed. Yeah.
Was that an option? He was about to, I didn't even know it was going to happen. You didn't? No, I didn't know anything was going to happen.
I'm just there hanging out. Then Logan starts to get me to try to lie in front of all my people in Madison Square Garden.
I want to see AJ Styles. That's what I want.
Let's go. This shit is.
It doesn't look like

I'm prepared for that

And his

What's his finishing move

The tax evasion

That's the next move

We gotta move to Puerto Rico

The Puerto Rican

W9

That's his fucking finishing move

Oh my god

Dude does he sling

Maybe I didn't see this

No

Oh Styles coming in

Thank god

Thank you. The Puerto Rican W9, that's his fucking finishing move.
Oh, my God.

Dude, does he sling?

Maybe I didn't see this.

Oh, Styles comes in.

Thank God AJ Styles comes in to save my ass.

I'm going to come in a couple seconds.

I'd be toast in front of my wife.

Did part of you want a little more smoke after that?

Like, was there a little bit inside of you that's like.

I need justice, bro.

Yeah.

I need justice.

You can't come do that shit to me in Madison Square Garden. I agree.
My home. Talk crazy to me.
You know, I need justice, bro. Yeah.
I need justice. You can't come do that shit to me in Madison Square Garden.

I agree.

My home.

Talk crazy to me.

You know?

I need some paper, bro.

I need my get back.

You know who Aaron the Plumber is?

Aaron the Plumber.

I think we had him on the podcast, actually.

Did you have Aaron on the pod?

I think so.

Like 20 years ago.

Or like four.

Yeah, like three years ago, I think.

No, no, no, no.

Who is that we had, Nick?

This is different Aaron the Plumber.

We had Joe the Plumber.

Joe.

Joe the Plumber.

You need Aaron the Plumber, bro.

This guy's an absolute internet sensation.

Joe found a baby in one of the pipes.

Joe found an offspring

in one of the pipes.

Horrible time to say that.

No, that's a Patrice joke.

He said, I jerk off so much in the shower,

I'm surprised the drain ain't pregnant.

Joe is like,

it was. I think I'm working at your place uh no who's aaron the plumber oh dude this guy's cool guy oh my god he's just he was on this zeus network show do you know what the zeus network is uh-uh is it like uh that stars or whatever like ghost or whatever.
Nah, this is more ratchet, bro.

But Aaron the plumber, you're not qualified.

This guy is a certified, hilarious dude.

He's an actual certified plumber.

But he's hilarious on this dating show.

And he would get in a fight with anybody who pops shit.

He's like, all right, let's go.

We fight right now.

But he's also hysterical.

And so, yeah, he's just an internet sensation. Love this guy.
Dang, I haven't seen him. I got to check him out.
Who did I see recently? Gunno Lavish. Have you seen him? No, who's that? Young kid.
He like, he makes me laugh. He's out of Mississippi, man.
Gunno Lavish. You can see the text went out of him.
if you just go to shorts right there just start it over doing anything gonna be okay it will be okay if you just stay strong stay strong you wondering if anything gonna be okay it will be okay if you just stay strong Okay, get me one more. Oh, stop being humble.

FN over there. Try that one.
okay. It will be okay if you just stay strong.
Okay, get me one more

of it. Oh, stop being humble

FN over there. Try that one.

You out here being humble

when everybody's popping that shit.

It's time you start popping your shit.

Stop being humble for it, nigga.

You out here being humble when everybody's popping that when everybody it's time you start popping your shit he just made me laugh man he's out of mississippi man i just like his thing he's just somebody i started watching you know there's like people you see and they come up and then once you watch them a couple times and you keep having to watch them you you know? Yeah, I'm obsessed with it. It's crazy, dude.

I'm obsessed with Temptation Island, Spain.

Really?

Yeah.

I could see that.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah?

This is the craziest reality show I've ever seen in my entire life.

This guy Montoya.

Have you not heard of the Montoya guy?

Mm-mm.

Oh, my God.

It's crazy.

So basically, Temptation Island, the idea is you and your girlfriend go to this island

and you split up and then they send people to try to fuck you and try to fuck your girlfriend to see if you'll cheat.

And where are the people from? The mainland or whatever? I think you're all from, they're all

from Spain pretty much. Well, some of them may be from other Spanish speaking countries, but

everybody speaks Spanish. So this one couple, she, that girl right there, Anita, Anita gets just

banged out, I think five days in by this other dude, and he's got a watch. Why do you have to watch? That's part of the show, bro.
So they're just cucking my man Montoya. But Montoya is so charming that you actually don't look at him like a cuck.
You're like, he's like a flamenco singer. He's the man.
So he gets really emotional about watching the guy just beat cheeks on his girl. And this seems.
And this seems like modern-day Shakespeare almost, you know?

Yeah, exactly.

You know what I'm talking about, kind of?

Yeah.

There's very much a thing where like-

Yeah, yeah, it's Othello, really.

Yeah, when the figure would be like,

it would open up a portal in your head

where you thought your wife was cheating

and you would take your own life or something.

Wow.

So there it is.

So he's got to watch this security cam footage,

and you could hear pelvis-hit pelvis hit cheeks no like this oh yeah it's brutal but it's also fantastic tv god i've never seen that it's amazing like and i haven't watched the whole episode i just watch like whatever highlights get clipped and put on like tiktok or instagram i think that's how i consume everything but i yeah everything i possibly can i consume yeah well it's funny because you start to want to have like an information diet so there's things you can talk about with different guests or whatever that's what i heard mr b say like he hires people to have an information diet for him so they all absorb stuff then they filter it down and then he gets like this stuff from them it's like fine-tuned to exactly what he would want to know the most. Oh, wow.
And that's crazy. So he has like a human version of Chad GPT.
Yeah. So he has intelligence, intelligence.
Yeah, like real intelligence. He has like an algorithm that's, yeah, he's like a human kind of algorithm, you know, sort of, I guess.
So he's outsourcing his like interests. How do you run it back against those Paul guys, I wonder? How do run it back against logan or jake as well get jake involved as well dude i would fucking if i saw those people in my dreams i would beat the shit out of them yeah yeah that's a good caveat right there that's a very good caveat now logan needs to get it back logan needs to get logan needs to get some get back that's that's the reality you can't come into my my place and do that, obviously.
But Jake, I don't even know if Jake's going to be involved in wrestling. He's doing his boxing thing.
Yeah. But let's see what happens.
I don't know. You never know.
You never know with these things. What about you? Are you going to get involved in some wrestling? I don't know, dude.
I thought about trying to wrestle one of those guys. I would have to really stretch and focus on fitness.
Yeah. Yeah.
A hundred percent. I would have to really stretch and focus on it.
Or you could just get dragged through the ring like I did and then not work at fitness at all. You know, it's the craziest part of that.
You didn't even see the end of it. I got dragged over to banister, ragdolled on the ground, rolled into the ring, bent over and put into a suplex.
This other dude, AJ, saves me. After Logan leaves, I jumped on a top rope.
Like I did something. I think I'm the first person in history to just get my ass kicked and still go on the top rope and celebrate.
But it really goes back to exactly what we were saying earlier. If all people see is that clip of you on the top rope, they're like, this guy won.
So I'm like, I might never do this again. What am I going to knock you up at the top rope? Come on.
I got to tell my daughter something. That's classic, man.
Have you thought about over the years of moving out of New York? I know you were talking about the taxes and stuff in there. Yeah, I don't know.
It's pricey. Have you ever thought ever think about that not living there no no I mean like look it's it's fucking incredible what Joe's done down there like it's incredible it's kind of crazy that it almost feels sometimes like the like another cent it definitely feels like another new center of comedy which they didn't have five years I can't believe I'm going to say what I'm saying right now.
Because obviously, you know, New York guys were incredibly biased about standup. We're like the best standups are in New York and this is where you come.
You got to make your bones. This is what you got to do.
And then the idea was, okay, but if you want to become like famous, you can go to LA because that's where the industry is. Somebody is going to pop into the comedy store.
They're going to see you. You'll be famous.
That's at least like the hope or the dreams or whatever. Right.
But as of right now, if you're a young comic, right, what is your pathway to success in LA? If you're a young comic, what's your pathway to success in LA? Perception doesn't mean that it can't happen, but like in LA or New York, like what shows can you get on that eventually you become famous? Because I know if I'm a young comic, I can manage to get on Kill Tony and become a regular. I'm selling out theaters around the country.
These guys are selling real tickets. If I get into Joe's world and I'm able to go on the podcast a bunch and maybe even go on the road, like I'm getting a career.
I mean, if to me, it's like, we need to build, start building some infrastructure in New York. So these guys feel like there's a pathway to selling tickets.
And that's not just New York. That's LA too.
Those days of just like getting a role in a movie and then you sell tickets are done you doing a tv show one off and then you sell that you don't just sell tickets you need to be like ingratiating yourself to the people through stand-up comedy if you want to sell stand-up comedy tickets so i don't blame i don't begrudge any comic who's like i want to go to move to austin because I feel like that's where the thing is happening. Especially if you just move to New York or LA to make it.
I'm from New York, like born and raised in New York. So like moving to another city is like leaving my whole family, my friend group.
It's everything I know. Right, you're leaving your world.
Oh, there you go. That's what I was thinking, I guess.
Oh, my God. I do kind of look like that motherfucker.

Diego Pena,

what's his name?

Man.

Diego Garcia?

He looks ugly

next to Christian Bale, bro.

And he's not even

that ugly, bro.

I'm saying he looks like me.

So I can't be insulting him

that much,

but Christian Bale

is one fucking handsome guy.

Well, then imagine

if there's another even less...

Wait a minute.

Did he AI my face onto that?

I did.

This is face swap.

God damn, bro. I look ugly next to christian bale that motherfucker is handsome look at bruce wayne right there dude god nah he's a stud oh he's a stud yeah and i'm worse looking than you so the tough part is it only goes another step downhill.

Yo, how fucked up is that me insulting him before I knew it was me?

Like, isn't that, that's insanity right there.

I mean, it's the.

Where's my self-esteem at?

Don't come here for it.

I don't know.

I built this railroad on low self-esteem, dude.

Have you ever heard of the low self-esteem engine? No, I haven't. That's the only thing that's run on these tracks for years, dude.
I mean, we're picking up. We're picking up steam, but it's been slow.
Oh, God. What are we talking about, though? Oh, there's the scene.
So it's just like, I imagine every- Oh, yeah, the scene. I mean, think about it.
Obviously, we're in different positions, right? We're in a different part of our career where we can live wherever we want. Right.
We're not coming out. It's not the beginning of our career.
Exactly. But if you were young and you're like, my pathway to success, if you go to LA, what shows do you get on to eventually make it? What is your- Right.
Well, there's a couple of things. One, you can get a lot of, there's a lot of influencers and stuff out here.
So there's a lot of like uh social media influencers that stuff is real out here there's movie stars that live out here and there's television shows but i don't know if a lot of stuff still shoots in la which is kind of crazy like um even whenever we shot this little movie with spade there we're like um they're like thank you people are like thank you guys so much working here we haven't had work in months. And I'm like, what do you mean? Cause I don't know who shoots what, you know, they're like, yeah.
I'm like in Hollywood, you haven't had work in months. And yeah, I guess there's just nothing shooting here, which seems crazy that you would build an industry where then nothing even shoots within it.
You know, like at a certain point you can't cut every corner. Like, okay, okay we're gonna shoot out of state to get a tax break and then the tax incentives are really big you can shoot up in canada you can shoot up in over in atlanta like the tax incentives are huge to go shoot in these places the one when california matched them it seems like i think like like it's just like we were saying like politics is always down river from from culture.
So they're going to have to learn the hard way. They're going to have to see the industry actually start to be negatively impacted like for a while.
And then they're going to have to vote out whoever is in power with that kind of influence. But L.A.
thrives on Hollywood. Like there isn't L.A.
without Hollywood. Like that's the industry.
That's true. I guess then it's kind of like Barcelona or something in a way, you know, some cool museums and it's beautiful.
We don't even know you guys have museums out here. I'm being honest with you.
Like somebody told me that they're like, Oh yeah, we were spending some time in museums. I was like, you got museums out here? Like I thought you had that observatory shit that's up on the Hill and that's it.
Yeah. We don't know that like the theater like do you have plays that come out in la i have no idea like can you watch hamilton in la ever i don't know it's a good question well we don't really have that theater that district like the theater district that new york has i mean danny mcbride was saying this the other day he goes you know i've always been kind of amazed that la doesn't uh like historicize itself better as a structure he's like when you go down the street here you should be every other building should be this is where um this was films this right yeah this is where sydney portier us lived the first three years that he lived here in this apartment like you know like and this these buildings we've kept them because they're and some of it the same because, you know, you don't have as much wear and tear from the elements here outside of like the fires recently, but you don't have just like the constant salt, salt in the air, like you do in a lot of places.
But, but overall, he's like, yeah, I'm just kind of amazed that you don't go down the street and every other building is historical for some reason. Bro, I think that's a fantastic point because that is the coolest thing about L.A.
Hollywood

is like old Hollywood culture.

Right.

Like there's that hotel,

the Sunset Tower or whatever,

and like it has this cool restaurant

that feels like old Hollywood.

Oh, yeah, it's cool in there.

It's some fancy, bougie shit,

but it still feels like,

oh, I can imagine directors

in like the 60s.

Yeah, what do you say?

You know, what is that,

what is that fucking girl with the air blowing her dress up? Oh, Shirley Temple or whatever? No, my brother. Marilyn Monroe.
Marilyn Monroe. Oh, sorry.
Well, okay. Yeah, exactly.
I'd like to have that stricken record. That's fucking unbelievable.
Well, dude, I'll tell you something. Here here's the number one place and I'm sorry.
Who's the girl where her dress was blown up? It's LA. He's right.
Weinstein's innocent. Weinstein is innocent.
I didn't think if they're blowing anybody's dress up, it's going to be a child, obviously. When on.
Dude, when people come to visit me, the one place that I take them every time, literally as a tour stop, is a cemetery that's near my apartment in Westwood that has Marilyn Monroe's grave in it, Hugh Hefner, Errol Flynn. Oh, wow.
Carol O'Connor. Oh, geez.
The guy from Bad Gramp or whatever. Walter Matthau.
Walter Matthau is in there. it's just like you just show them like this.
That's kind of the neatest thing, I think. I think it's a great point because there is cool historical shit about L.A., but you got to embrace it and then protect it.
And I think that maybe it's just such a new city. They don't see the value in it.
Like we,

you and I are from very kind of like old places in terms like of American

history,

not world history,

but like there's a lot of history in,

I'm going to give you New Orleans.

I know you're not from New Orleans,

but like just this idea.

Oh yeah.

There's like,

and it's important to us to maintain that.

We actually like the way that the buildings look.

When a new fancy building goes up in New York, there's always this immediate rejection. We're like, ah, these fucking glasses, there goes the neighborhood or whatever it is.
So we try to protect. And I feel like LA is so transient.
Like everybody that comes here is coming from Maine or coming from Montana or some shit like that to go make it. So they don't really care that much about the history.
They're like, what's going on now? But the people but the people from here like dove like the people who actually grew up here and like that is the industry yeah i would i would like to see that protected that's a great point and then there's another version of you coming out here that's not like a tmz tour bus tour whatever that stupid shit is like this is the rocks house it's like no go see where fucking sydney potier lived or go see where these historic actors like what What's-His-Face's first apartment, Jack Nicholson's first apartment. It would be so cool if they had that and still had it under, they had it like really locked in.
Dude, the guy, the founder of Canes, this guy Todd Graves, he still has his college apartment that was right next door to the first Canes that's in Baton Rouge. And you go in there, dude, and it is crazy.
It's like, it's from 30 years ago, you know, or 22 years ago or something and it's just like old TV. He's maintained everything from it? Maintained it.
Oh, I love it. Pictures from back then and shit.
His life got busy and so he just wasn't there for like eight years and then he came back and it's just like magazines with like Jordan and Shaq. He's a beast, that guy.
Yeah, he stays so busy. He works really hard.
I think he has a little bit- He owns all of the Canes still, right? This is not a franchised restaurant. I think he owns- It's kind of, it's unbelievably impressive.
And maybe because I'm from New York, we just got one. There's one that just popped up in East Village.
But like I was talking to a buddy of mine who's actually like one of his lawyers. And he was kind of explaining it to him.
It's like, this guy's like a real ambitious, like kind of genius to put that together. It's, it's, it's very hard to, to not sell off your company as it becomes successful to have that vision.
Like, I don't know if you're like this, but if I'm building something that's successful and then summit offers me $300 million for it, I'm like, there's some people are crazy enough to go no this shit is really worth two billion i'm like two billion what is two billion dollars even like what is that money even you know what i mean there are people that say no to one billion dollars because they know it could be worth five that's isn't that crazy easy what do you need that for yeah like you can tap out of whatever you're doing. Maybe they really love what they're doing.
Maybe that's it. But then you just sell it and get locked in as a consultant or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah.
I guess you could, but maybe they would hate that. Maybe like they're like, it's my genius that drives this, this, this, this, this car.
It's like that rigor mortis, whatever the Frank, whoever made Frankenstein or whatever, the doctor or whatever, he wanted to die die with Frankenstein He's like, you know, I think that's what I'm what I went Frankenstein. I fucking don't know what happened It was dr.
Frankenstein and then it was the creature Yeah, that's isn't that crazy that we think that Frankenstein is the Is the lifeless animal, you know, but it was actually the doctor imagine how he feels he's like what are you hey my name's rick you know it's like nobody fucking i'm fucking rick hopkins you know i had a fucking bad uh bad frontal lobe surgery give me some god damn that's so true it still goes back to you see a clip of something

and you just believe it. You just believe it.
That motherfucker's name is not even Frank. It's called Creature which is way more adept.
That feels like the name for it but but not but at least that's his name god dude yeah shout out frankenstein yeah dude um oh how's the trump thing going over in new york dude you know what's so interesting is like uh it was crazy right after the right after the election was over everybody's kind of went on about regular life kind of bro it's and like now i'm now I'm almost like annoyed by, I'm like, I thought we weren't going to have to go through this again. Like, I don't know where, how it is like here, where you're, where you're living, but we're back to like the bipartisan bickering, you know, like, like this doge is a big deal, right? Even though there's no American that wants like waste, there's no American that wants like government bloat.
There's no American that wants like inefficiency. I don't think any of us are like voting for those three things.
So this should be like unilateral support. Like we should all get behind it.
And maybe the way that they're doing, I think Trump even came out and be like, yo, we're going to use a scalpel, not a hatchet. Like, I think we're being a little bit too forceful with the firings or whatever.
But this is one of those things where like,

it's so annoying.

And I think you can,

you can,

you can blame Elon for this as well.

Like on Twitter,

he's a little bit antagonistic about shit.

I noticed that recently.

Some of the stuff he says,

like,

do you have to say that?

Like,

you don't have to do it right there.

You're in power now.

Like,

I think you have to have a little bit different energy when you're in

power.

I think when you're not in power,

you're trying to get to power.

Maybe that antagonism is helpful,

right? It can like embolden the base, but you. But you're the leader now.
Leaders don't need to poke a finger and twist a knife or whatever. Well, I think what he's doing, I believe that what Elon is doing is by creating all that commotion on Twitter, it's only helping his own business, right? So it creates now that everybody wants to see what he's going to say, but he's saying so many things.
It's hard to even juggle, but so many people are engaging and interacting. I feel like it's probably the number one news app.
I don't know if it's always been the number one news app. Has to be.
It has to be. That's why, yeah.
I mean, don't you learn everything? But he's just stirring his own business. It's like, so the more he does that, it just, then it's more impressions, the more ads that he can sell, right? I don't know if that's true, but you're basically creating a place for people to go consume content in general.
And if he's the biggest creator on that platform, then it makes sense that he continues to create. So you're saying that he's not doing this just to get out information, but he's also doing this to like uplift the app.
It's like a hype machine. Yeah.
Oh, wow. I don't know if that's true, but that's what the feeling you get it.
Because otherwise, some of the shit's kind of insane. It's like, what is this? How is he doing all of these things? And if he's not doing all these things, because who could have time to do all of this? Then who is doing it? And it's kind of annoying because he's a genius.
You want him on your side. I want the guy who makes the rockets on America's side if we go to World War III.

I think that's a pretty good idea that we get the guy who's going to send a ship to Mars on our side if we're going to have drone warfare throughout the world. Let's keep him in our good graces.
I do think – and I'm a little bit more optimistic about this administration. That's what I've realized with most people, like sane people, is that if you didn't vote for Trump, but you're not like a complete lunatic extremist, on both sides, by the way, if you're just kind of like a normal regular guy, but you feel like you lean left a little bit more, you go, you just are pessimistic about the administration.
And if you lean maybe right a little bit more, but you're not some insane like right wing quack, you're optimistic about the administration. Yeah.
We both kind of want the same thing. We want the best thing for American people.
Right. We might disagree about where we get there, but we do want the most opportunity, wealth, ease of living for American people.
So when it comes to, when it comes to administration, I'm like a little bit more optimistic about like, I'm like, okay, let's just see how this works. Right.
That's how I feel. Let's just give him a, give him a, people are going, oh, he's doing all these tariffs.
It's like, my man, I don't, I'm not an economist. I know you aren't an economist.
Yeah. I don't know if this is a negotiation.
Like if you go to buy a car and the car is like a hundred grand and you go in, you go, all right, I'm going to offer 80 grand. Right.
Knowing that they're going to settle around 90. Right.
The problem is when you do that, you do that in privacy with the car dealer. Trump got to do it publicly.
And now he's got people in his own country going, how dare you offer 80? That's so disrespectful. And he can't come out and go, dumbass, we're going to settle at settle at 90 i just gotta start at 80 so could you give me fucking two weeks yeah they don't give him any nobody gives him a beat to see what the long-term plan is like if you want manufacturing jobs back in america then you have to make it so that it more makes more sense for people to make cars in america maybe that's just business like i agree with you i would i never never was against Biden.
I've never been against anybody that's been in office. I've always just wanted the best.
It's like, I want the best. I'm never going to depend on the government for my life.
I don't wake up every day and see what the fucking government's doing. I get out of bed and I try and take care of myself or take care of your family like you're doing.
It's like, that's probably what most people think. Anybody that has time to argue online all day is also insane, right? Not saying that we don't all put our beliefs out there sometimes, but it's like – but you have to – that's one thing.
Somebody said the other night, oh, Trump said it during that whole state of the whatever, the delegacy address. It was like the state of the two parties are addressing.
If you got to watch the hour and a half of that I don't care what side of it this shit was hilarious it was like somebody who wrote like noises off or something it was just a fascinating joint congressional committee's address or whatever yeah there was like fucking they kept cutting this white dude that was asleep they threw Al Green out people thought he was Jimmy Snmy snooker fucking threw him out dude they kept people like democrats that only had their feelings on little signs that said like not good or gazoon tight or whatever like bumped into al green at the breakfast club he was going on after me and uh someone's like hey who wants to al green wants to say hello and i was like yeah sure that'd be cool this guy just got chucked out of the fucking senate. That'd be, you know, whatever.
And I went and I go, I shake it,

and like his like handle or something like that

is like waiting there with like a camera,

like tucked here for the handshake picture.

And I was like, did I just get set up in a photo op

to make me look sympathetic to what happened?

I'm like, what exactly is going on?

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, that's also scary

when everybody has cameras everywhere now.

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people thought that was Jimmy Stunka, which makes total sense as well.
Yeah. I still think it was.
What a body, huh? Let's get it on. Was that Al Green? Let's get it on? Let's get it on.
Yeah. I think so.
But yeah, so it's a tricky, yeah, it's a tricky, it's a tricky time now politically. politically but i just don't like it you kind of hope like hopefully there's some long-term strategy here it's like because if you just look at the little bits it's kind of fucking scary also if the if and i'm not trying to just like bag on the last administration but like if people are uncomfortable and the last administration was running on this platform of hey we're gonna keep doing the the same thing that we've been doing that was a bad plan you can't really blame americans for going well that's not working for me right now i gotta try something different yeah and then giving the new thing a little bit of leeway it's not like again i might be more optimistic and if it goes bad i will be the first person to criticize it.
I have no problem criticizing whoever's in power. This is the easiest thing in the fucking world for me.
But I am hoping, I'm at least going to give a little bit of grace and hoping that this is going to work out for all of us. And I'm going to give it more than a fucking few months.
I'm going to give it a little bit to see where it goes. And if it does go, I'm not going to be the guy to go, told you so, you fucking idiot.
Like, cause that's not the joy that it brings me. The joy that brings me is like, Hey shit, we're actually making some cool change.
Right. America's going to be doing better.
We got opportunity to, you know, start here and get up here. Imagine if you brought some industries back where people have pride in their homes and in their towns, dude, I'll tell you this.
We've gone on this tour I've been on. We've gone to probably 200, the top 200 cities so far size-wise, right?

We've gone fucking everywhere. And a lot of the places, man, it's the same.
It's like there's no, there's not a lot of businesses there. There's some cities that have kind of changed and had some turnaround and it's been uplifting.
But there's been a lot of places that it hasn't, you know? And it's sad. It's like, oh, all this place needs is one good like influx of uh of people and a purpose you know when people have jobs they have purpose yeah and so it's like i'm just gonna i'm for surely gonna stay hopeful i hope that if if there's some tariff stuff and then we start making our own fucking cars here dude there's a guy who just made a show i uh a t um a t-shirt i think it's called

american giant can you look that up there's a guy he wanted to make find a t-shirt that was

made in america american giant clothing he couldn't even get a t-shirt that was completely

made here he couldn't get a he couldn't get a whatever this is called a template or a blank

in America.

He couldn't,

they didn't have it,

right?

They didn't,

we don't make a fucking

Thank you. He couldn't get a, whatever this is called, a template or a blank in America.
He couldn't.

They didn't have it, right?

They didn't.

We don't make a fucking T-shirt in this company, right?

Country, yeah.

So.

Don't they make Teslas here?

Yes.

So Teslas are an American-made car.

So like bare minimum.

And like I'm not trying to knock any of the American, you know, other American cars, right? But I don't think Ford is entirely made here.

I might be wrong.

I don't think ford is entirely made here right i might be wrong i don't think they are you drive ford somebody said to me i'm like that's when i knew like hold on how's this guy know how to pronounce it swedish guy but uh that's a great question let's look that up yeah what cars are made here or what percentage of teslas are made in America? What percentage of Fords are made in America? That's a great question, man. And I guess that, you know, you could be putting together the full car here, but maybe there's like certain factories that are doing other stuff.
And I'm OK with that. Like I'm OK with outsourcing to different countries.
I think it gives them opportunities as well. That's a cool thing.
But Tesla claims that nearly 100 percent of the vehicles it sells in the United States are manufactured domestically. Exceeding the industry average of 52%.
Wow. Now, that doesn't mean they don't make cars in other countries as well.
Right. But the ones that are sold here are made here.
Regardless, okay. If we want to attack a car company, right? And again, I don't know if they're attacking Tesla because they don't like the product they're attacking tesla because they don't like the ceo of the company yeah and that is the risk of being a celebrity ceo by the way there's like ceos of and you talk about this all the time but like some of these like pharmaceutical companies we don't know who the fuck they are right and there's a reason because if we did people would execute them something could happen something could happen we don't know something Something could happen.
Somebody could throw him a surprise party. Bro, if you have a billion dollar business and nobody knows who you are, you're doing some fucked up shit, my boy.
Yeah, you're doing some fucked shit, man. Right? Some fucked shit, homie, yeah.
So, for real. So, this is like a kind of shitty situation where like, yes, I understand that he's antagonizing people, he's like rubbing people the wrong way.
You don't like the guy. You don't like the beliefs.
You don't like what he's doing. And there are things to criticize.
I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize. Like everybody is – nobody's above criticism.
But to punish that car company that is 100% made in America, made by people living in America, Americans rely on those jobs. Like maybe we criticize another thing.
Right. Like what is your goal? That we shut down those factories and those Americans lose those jobs? That makes you feel better about your gripe with Elon.
That's the thing. Some people, they just want to win an argument, it feels like.
You know, there's people that rely on those fucking jobs. Oh, for sure.
They got kids, bro. Oh, yeah.
Oh, dude, there's no doubt about it. But one thing that i think is sad about the about doge is that the fact that we have to out we now have to have someone audit our own government our government is supposed to be the thing that we can trust like it will never end now and people are like why is this guy be having a team that audits is like i agree but i'll let anybody audit if if you bring on another company they audit and and they find, I'd give them 10% of the bloat that they find.
If they, you know what I'm saying? The simple fact that we now have to audit our own government. Yeah.
I mean, I just, you know, I don't, people I think will gravitate towards corruption naturally. And I think it's something that you constantly have to fight every single second.
Yeah, you definitely have to. You said something interesting though, like this idea, like you wake up every morning, you're like, I don't expect the government to do something for me.
I think that's a more like Southern and frontier belief. You know, I think that like when you grow up in like New York, there is this relationship with the government where you're like, if the roads are fucked up, you start going, yo, why the roads fucked up? Like we're spending all this money in taxes or like the government you're supposed to do you're giving me all these rules i gotta live by so you might as well do some shit but that's interesting that you have this perspective which is like i don't expect anything from you guys and i wonder if when they encroach on your freedoms it's that much more annoying because you're like i don't rely on you for anything and you're going to tell me what to do.
Whereas we might be more accepting of the laws and the encroachment of freedoms because we are more reliant on them for certain things. So, and I wonder if that's why like some of the COVID stuff was way easier to accept in big cities because we're already had this symbiotic relationship with government.

Right.

Whereas in a place like Florida or even,

you know,

more other like Southern,

maybe I guess some red States,

not all.

Yeah.

A lot of rural areas.

And more rural areas.

It's like,

yo, listen,

don't mess with me.

Cause I don't ask you for shit.

Right.

And now you're getting into my house and telling me what to do when I

already don't ask you for anything.

Right.

We have one road.

We keep it clean. It's fine.
I drive a truck so you don't have to pave it yeah it's fine that's it right we're doing yeah yeah that's a good but yeah it is interesting how like different areas could affect your perception and yeah like I think a lot of like one other thing is I think a lot of people just worry about our tradition starting to disappear. And I think that's where a lot of pushback comes from.

What do you mean by that?

Just like, you know, like tearing down a statue and saying that everything is racist and stuff and not honoring our history, whether it is racist or not. Like, you know, if you take it away completely in three generations, you know.
this is the tricky thing where it's like I

okay

I try to meet people at their intentions

because I often want people to judge me on my intentions. When I say something like crazy fucked up joke, that's not even fully fleshed out on a podcast.
And then I want people to go, Oh, he just wanted it to be funny. Not, Oh, this is guys an evil asshole.
Right. So when I see people doing the, taking like the progressive measures that might feel like they're going too far, I at least have some empathy.
I go, all right, I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to make this world that we live in, this country we live in, a more comfortable place for everybody.
And you're thinking about these oppressed or ostracized groups and you're like, how can they not see certain imagery that might remind them of these horrible things that their ancestors went through?

So like I go, OK, I get that maybe you have some really good intentions here.

And then we can meet at that where we go, I get your good intentions.

And then we start to have – then let's have the conversation of, OK, how much of that are we going to remove before we start removing like the history of our country?

And some of the history is ugly and that's – it's unfortunate. but it is the history.
Like removing it doesn't remove the history. Right.
But at least not looking at them like they're assholes that want to destroy America. Maybe some of them are, but I think some of them also just kind of want to make life better for people.
Yeah. I don't think everybody's bad.
I think there are bad actors on both sides, but I think there's some people who like, maybe they were bullied a lot as a kid and they're like, man, I don't want anybody to go through that shit. Like I, yeah, I don't, I want to look out for some people and create some more protections.
And sometimes those protections might go like a little bit too far. And then sometimes instead of creating protections, people will like hurt people, hurt people.
They'll do the opposite. They'll be like, Oh, white people are horrible.
It's like, okay, okay. You're going too far.
Yeah. You might've experienced some really fucked up people in your childhood and maybe you have that way of looking at it, but it's not going to help if that's your way of communicating.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think the truth is usually kind of in the middle. I think you're right.
You know? And the fact that, yeah, it's like, it's, it's so funny. It's like, you get so stuck in your own perspective of what your own perspective is.

And you need to be in your own perspective

because it's a survival thing too.

It's like if I'm sitting here daydreaming or something

and I get attacked by an animal or something,

then that's on me, right?

But it's like,

but to actually put yourself in somebody else's shoes

and think like, well, what is it?

What is it really like?

Yeah.

You know, or what is like going through like certain classes

or history class or things like that?

Like if you're a different ethnicity or different sex or something, what's that shit really like? You know, they're supposed to have VR goggles that were supposed to be able to do that. You know, we could just see what it was like being Native American back in the day.
Hey, they're all Italians. Look, the goggles kind of like they set it up to make it sound like who really killed the Native Americans was Italian Christopher Columbus look at these guys hey fucking red horse get over here fuck out of here how many necklaces we gonna wear huh you called the night how I bought some blankets.

Hey, hey, hey.

That would be cool, though.

But you could set it to any way, you know?

Oh, that's... Because he was Italian, right?

Wasn't Columbus Italian?

They said he was.

Who the fucking knows, dude?

I'm sure he was probably Italian via Israel, according to a lot of Reddit feeds.

So Twitter, it's just...

They just blame everything on the Jews, bro.

I'll let you know. according to a lot of Reddit feeds this week.

Twitter,

they just blame

everything on the Jews,

bro.

Like,

it's not even,

shit that you didn't even

imagine

is the Jews' fault,

right?

But they got

nothing to do with it.

Soon they're going to

blame Christmas

on the Jews.

Oh,

that was kind of... The Jews are impressed, but also not cool at the same time they're like well what if they're like yo can you blame some good shit too like we did some good shit right like y'all like christianity like you like watching family man don't you that's one of your favorite christmas movies isn't it huh gangs in new york who do you think fucking put that all them christmas carols they're probably written by jews a lot of them are man see it's so funny yeah what are we gonna do what um i'm trying to think of what else is going on dude that i was thinking about what's up in your life man everything's fine man i just been just been just been working a lot you know like last year we really focused on if we had some time off to go and just work, like go travel to a place to get guests and stuff, you know? Yeah.
So it was like a big focus last year to do that. And have you taken like a vacation? No, not in a while.
I was supposed to get one over the holidays and it just didn't happen. Do you like taking time off? Does that feed you at all? Yeah, I need it.
I need more of it. And do you enjoy it? Like, is your time off just hanging at a beach or do you like going to like a city that you're really interested in, like learning about the history? Like, what is your version of a...
It's just been the beach, really. I think I've been like, I think I just kind of got, I just put so much work on the calendar that I didn't start to schedule.
I would love to take two weeks off and go to like a country or something that'd be awesome you know yeah so but then i start to think about that like well i should probably get a girlfriend or like a fiance first because if you go by your who you're gonna unless you get a buddy to go with or something that could be fun but it's like two weeks you can't really go by yourself really you know and so then it's like what are you gonna do exactly you I imagine you with like a small Asian tour guide and that's it just you guys motorcycling around Vietnam or Cambodia just say shit to them all the time that would be that would be ideal but no traveling alone is cool too cutting them little feeding them a little piece of yam or whatever. Yeah, I mean, you don't have to feed him.
They might feed themselves out there. The first struggle, Bayard went through.
The first struggle was finding all the components, the cotton, the buttons, the zippers, the rivets. Once Bayard did all that, he ended up with his first product, a plain hooded sweatshirt.
We already know all this stuff. I was looking at what some of the price issues were and stuff that he faced.
But it was a nightmare for this guy to do it. And he couldn't get it done at like, you know, it came down like $37 or something, which is, you know, but to do it on a regular basis.
And then Walmart decided we're going to support him. We're going to give him like a big order.
That's fire. So that's kind of where he's at right now.
And if you can make a big order, you can obviously reduce the pricing. Right.
Then you can go ahead to the place and say, look, now I'm going to order this many can you give me a better rate you know so can you get the material from does the material also have to come from here i imagine we have to get all of our material from other countries that's a good question are we creating textiles here it's a good question it's crazy because you don't know that you know it's like a lot of this stuff we don't even know and then you look around and you're like but if you find out that we can't even you a t-shirt here, then you're like, well, fuck. If we're not even making one t-shirt, then what are we making here? I mean, yeah, we're completely reliant.
It's a little scary, I guess. That's the thing.
It starts to get scary. Because, yeah, I mean, because t-shirts are the least necessary product that we are completely reliant on other countries for.
So if we're relying on T-shirts, what else are we relying on? Are we relying on technology in some ways? Like what are the things that become like at-risk topics for us that we're relying on other countries? Because it's nice to know that you're not reliant or that the entire world is reliant on each other.

And if everybody's relying on each other, OK, then there's like a mutually assured destruction. Right.
Maybe that's good. Right.
Just tell us the truth. If we know everything, I would just love it if I hears the exact facts.
You know, when do you think. All right.
You know how like conspiracies are incredibly popular right now. And like now everybody kind of knows the conspiracies.
So that immediate hit of of dopamine you get when you like share like the real truth with somebody who doesn't know it yeah and when they look at you they're like oh my god you're so smart or whatever yeah now that everybody knows the conspiracies do you think that we start the pendulum starts to shift back to like kind of what really happened? Because the conspiracy is like the most exaggerated version of what happened. Yeah.
And what really happened is probably pretty boring. Like the truth of most things is probably pretty fucking boring.
Yeah, for sure. It's not what the media has told us.
That's for certain. Those are lies, 100%.
But it's not what like the reddit historians have said yeah and it's probably in here and then we all go all right yeah like that is i wonder if like there's something like that even to the epstein list like everybody's waiting for this epstein list and they're waiting for it to be like direct logs where it's like bill gates paid for anal from a 16-year-old at 430 or whatever. And then it's like name, picture, fucking whatever it is.
And then every time they hand out like the binder or whatever it is, nothing that crazy comes out. Now, don't get me wrong.
I believe he's like a prolific pedophile. Like if he if he is still alive find him and fucking kill him the girl too off anybody who's involved in it defended it anybody who's on the fucking flight logs put him in prison like let's we need some justice here but have we created an idea of what this is which is so far removed from what it actually is right and that's why they haven't really is going to be so upsetting.
There's seven people. They're going to think we're liars anyway.
Right. Like, because imagine they gave us a list and there was like 25 people on it, right? We'd be like, man, you fucking pieces of shit lying to us again.
Like, the only thing we would believe if literally every single world leader went in there. Right.
Yeah. This list better be so,

that's why I think they're still,

they're probably working with like top producers,

Eli Roth,

like guys who really can put on a good show.

Todd Phillips,

you know,

until we sell this story.

He was on here like he's off.

But yeah,

I think,

yeah.

How do we,

what do we,

this has better be good.

Why don't we just get,

this is the way I was thinking. We, we solve it.
The guy who gave, who let, yeah, how do we, what do we, this better be good. Why don't we just get, this is the way I was thinking we solved it.

The guy who gave, who let Epstein manage his money is this guy named Les Wexner or something like that.

He's this guy who started Victoria's Secret.

And like, I don't even think Epstein went to college or something.

So like, how the fuck do you end up managing this billionaire's money?

This guy's like 90 years old.

Give him immunity. Just go, yeah, this guy right here.
Les Wexner. Okay.
He's a billionaire. He's 87 years old.
You just go, listen, you're about to fucking die. Can you just tell us what happened? Right.
Tell us what happens. We'll give you immunity.
You don't get to die a hero at all. You're a piece of shit that probably funded this whole fucking thing or connected different people to different stuff.
We don't know what the fuck you're actually doing. You're involved.
but you don't get to die a hero at all. You're a piece of shit that probably funded this whole fucking thing or connected different people to different stuff.

We don't know what the fuck you're actually doing.

You're involved,

but you don't get to die a,

well, you still diabolical piece of shit,

but maybe you do one good thing in your life before you fucking die.

Right.

And then the American people get some satisfaction.

The victims get some satisfaction.

We get to actually know what's happening.

Yeah.

Cause I don't even know if we,

I don't,

I don't know if we actually will get to know what's happening unless somebody who was involved says it specifically. Yeah.
And I don't believe Ghislaine because I think her pops was, he was part of Mossad, right? Yeah. Like, so I don't believe anything she's going to say.
Yeah, nobody's going to tell the truth. Right? Like.
I'm just amazed that that many people wanted to be pedophiles or whatever. So here's the thing.
I don't know. of me doesn't believe that i'm like you're telling me i don't think they wanted to i think that i think he was like yo i got some young bitches on an island we're all gonna fuck but i don't think that he said i have underage women to incriminate you on an island right i think he's like yo i got some 20 year old fucking russian bitches they're on an island and all these dudes were like oh we're gonna go party with russian like I wonder if it's as simple as like some club promoter going I got a table full of girls at Tao tonight you want to party and people go well that sounds like a great idea nobody's ideaing those girls right and they're for sure on idea because why would they go yeah this guy's gonna make me a pedophile this weekend yeah right like so and then maybe afterwards they go by the way that girl was this old so i'm gonna need you on a certain day to do a favor that's how i would imagine it would be most effective and what if some of the girls were not even underage or anything you don't even know if you got if you could have somebody say that you're so scared, you're already like, there's some favor in the wind.

That alone, the mirage of that, that's the biggest thing.

You have no fucking idea.

That's a great point, too.

They don't even have to be.

But you're going to be so scared.

Like, well, first of all, I don't want to see, I'm so bad at sex, I don't want anybody to see a video of it.

Fucking a hooker on an island still is bad if you're like a political figure that has a family and you have children.

Like, you could be, it could be old, they could be old enough. enough and it's still like you don't want that out because it ruins your career yeah so yeah there are many ways to to do it that yeah i mean it's definitely and then it's like how do you doctor all that up to present it to the american because it's a fucking you have to find you have to serve a mona lisa yeah to the american people there's because there's no but then they're like we have to make sure all these to serve a Mona Lisa to the American people.

There's because there's no, but then they're like,

we have to make sure all these people that information that's released,

but maybe some of that's true.

If like you put information and has a name in it that you're not sure. And then you get sued by that person.

Or you got to protect these girls who are underage and they were raped by these

famous people.

And like, they have moved on with their lives.

They got families.

Do they want their information out there in the world?

Probably not.

They're like,

I don't want to relive that shit.

So redact me

or whatever that term is.

But yeah,

I just feel like

we're at this point

where like,

if we're going through

this phase in America

where we are,

we're an all time low trust

in all of our institutions.

And what happens from here?

There's two ways we go.

Talk to me.

It gets better somehow.

Or.

Or it starts to devolve even more. and crazier see it gets deeper and deeper it's so funny because yeah i i've had both feelings yesterday i had the feeling like holy shit dude nobody's gonna know where to trust anything anymore it's gonna get really interesting or you start being honest like that's kind of that's that's why right or you start being honest and and like you know we're americans we can deal with shit like we've dealt with horrible things before in our past even as humans we can that's it so it's like and i think there's a version where like accepting these things and moving on allows us to have even more pride where right now we're in this like age of like ambiguity where like we want to be really proud.
But we're like, but is some of this shit true? Like we're just unsure. Yeah.
Let us accept it. Let's accept these the stains on our history.
And then let's move on and make greater history. Let's make greater things to be proud of.
I think it's a moment in history to be proud of where an administration comes in and they go, listen, unfortunately, the government let these food companies poison you, and a lot of people are negatively impacted like that. A lot of people got cancer probably because of food that they were eating, and that's fucked up.
That's horrible, and we're going to either punish some of those food organizations or bare minimum, we're going to make it illegal for them to do that shit. Hey, some of these pharmaceutical companies, they were jabbing you up with shit that you didn't need to be jabbed up with.
And they were doing that so they could profit. We're going to either punish them or we're going to stop allowing them to do it so the next generation of Americans doesn't have to go through what you guys went through.
And then you go, you know what's fire about America? we realize when we fucked up and we have the energy and excitement and the confidence the self-esteem to go all right we're changing it and we're going to live up to the expectations that we have for ourselves yeah and i that's why like you could say whatever you want about rfk it seems to me what he wants to do is make a positive change for people let's see if he's able to do it but in terms of making america healthy or whatever the slogan is why would you not want america to be more healthy like yeah give the guy a second to fucking try it like every minute they're like this is the problem today and then that becomes a story every day it's just like how fucked up it is and i have friends now that are addicted to the news and i'm just like dude just live your life see life. See, everything's going to probably be fine.
It's already been fine. We're already damaged.
We all have cancer or whatever. Everything, you know, we're doing our best and shit.
And like, you know, how drastically bad do you expect things to get, you know? Wouldn't it be cool? Like, this is all I said. Like, obviously, you know, I have a daughter.
So I'm like, and she's of the age we're going through vaccines and stuff and it's terrifying. I was talking to Joe about this.
It was like it's the most terrifying thing you've ever experienced in your life is you have the most perfect thing you've ever created and you have to put something in them. And you've watched a video on YouTube that says that it could do something horrible to her.
But if you don't do it, she could get some disease that could do something horrible to her. So you're like what – how do I protect my kid? There's a fork in the road and both potentially leads to horrible.
How do I protect my kid? I would love nothing more than to do like an intense, like, and I'm sure they've already done this. So if you have and call me an idiot, that's fine.
I'm an idiot, whatever. But like intense, like research into, you know, the vaccinations.
And I would love nothing more if we found out, hey, you know what it, it looks like they are safe for them. And there's very low chance cause of anything negative for your kid.
How much nicer would that feel than right now what all of us new parents are feeling, which are like, do I have to delay it? Like which ones, how do I protect my child? Like, like, just like, we want the research. We want it.
It's, we want to know. And I think if you gave Bobby an out where, you know, if even if it was 20 minutes a week where he gave a speech or something and maybe that he should start doing that to update people uh robert kennedy jr to say hey this is where things are at and we're going to try our best and this is what we're going to try to do maybe that would be great to have some sort of an address love it you know trump's addresses sometimes they're so you know they're trumpian you know they're just like kind of the bare facts and like you know we're gonna win type shit so maybe if you had vance give something that was a little bit more elongated sure and a little bit more um had a little bit more uh personal notation and feeling to it like a didn't fdr do that i think they were called the fireside oh yeah where he was talking to people i think you're right we might need something like that dude because so much muck out there.
There's so much bullshit information. And like, we're guilty of that too.
We just spout whatever on the fucking mic and who knows if it's true or not. But it'd be nice if we had information disseminated from the people in power.
It might be wrong or we might be right, but they are the people in power. So we can at least hold them to that standard.
If they say that they're doing this specific thing and we disagree with it, we be like i disagree with that yeah but if bobby's coming out and he's going listen we're getting the red dye out of here it doesn't benefit anybody there are other ways to create i don't know sugar coloring substitutes that are less harmful to you does anybody disagree with this everybody goes no okay done right thanks yeah there's still so many people that just want somebody to be wrong all the time you know so maybe that'll start to go away i don't know but yeah i think if i wake up each day and i looked at everything as politics and stuff and um it would just it just starts to wear on you and then that algorithm learns you and then you're a fucking puppet you become a puppet what else is going on let's think of something in entertainment i'm trying to think of something. Was there a job that you had when you were young that you miss ever? Hmm.
That you were like, I'm fucking good at this shit. It wasn't that I was good at it, but I liked mowing lawns.
Like I felt like accomplished afterwards. Like I'd look at it and I'd go, wow, I did that.
That was kind of annoying. It was hard.
But here's this thing that I did and it looks better now and I felt proud of it. And I think there's a version of that in creating stuff in general.
But I think very early I like to work on something and then see the thing I created. And so, yeah, there was something really nice about that.
Now I get to do a job where I like the actual work part and I like seeing the end product. I didn't enjoy the work part of it.
But, yeah, I think that, you know, I'm trying to think. I mean, I just worked in, like, restaurants.
Oh, yeah, you definitely did. I can see you for sure.
For sure what restaurants was that working oh obviously macaroni grill dude dude you wore a cape at macaroni grill i'm sure there's no way you didn't we didn't have a macaroni grill in the city man hey look we needed a macaroni grill that's your origin story i worked at a pizza shop shop. I do look like I could pull off pizza shop, right? I looked like I was arguing with Spike Lee.
I'm trying to think of whatever. What about you? I worked at a pizza shop, man.
I love that shit, dude. What was the first time? Do you remember the first time as a kid that you made money and the feeling of feeling of that oh yeah we had uh they'd pay you to clean up with like wishing wells in our town or whatever they'd pay you to clean them out like the city like it's like take the coins out of it yeah get in there like you to take a ladder down and get all the shit out and stuff and there's like people throw fucking try like a lot of use like to-go orders and shit in that bitch a lot of pop eyes in that that bitch.
Decent amount of money. Not as much as you would think.
It's mostly garbage. We found a fucking sword had blood on it one time.
Like a pretty scalabird or whatever. But yeah, cleaning out those one summer.
That was probably the first job I ever had, really. But get you a little bit of money.
Hide my money, too. Really? I used to put my money in a crown royal bag, hide it in the yard.
How old were you? Dig a hole and hide it. Probably 11, maybe 12.
Hide that fucking bag. That's a nice bag.
That bitch was nice, boy. You keep that bag.
Isn't that weird? Yep. It had some doubloons in it that I caught at some of the parades.
What's a doubloon? There's just these little medallions, kind of worth, they're not worth any money, but they had pictures of like different historical figures from Louisiana on them. Cause you catch them at Mardi Gras and I put them in a bag and hide them in the yard.
And why do you think you were hiding your, your, didn't trust anybody in the house? I knew everybody in that bitch. Yeah.
Really? My three siblings and my mom, I was burying that shit. I ain't fucking laughing.
Do you still talk to your siblings? Oh, yeah. We talk now.

Things are good now.

But at the time, I didn't trust anybody in that pastor, dude,

because I was sneaking in their room and stealing shit.

That's where it comes from.

When you ain't shit, you assume other people ain't shit.

It starts here, though.

Oh, bro.

It starts here, though.

I don't trust me so much that I don't trust you. That's crazy, dude.
What else, man? What's up with the culture? How's black stuff going over there? I know that new rapper Gin Lee. Have you seen him? Yeah, I thought it was Gin Lee.
Is it Gin? Like Gin for ginger. He's a white dude that says the N-word.
He put two N's in it. He misspelled it.
So Like gin for ginger. Well, first of all, he's a black dude that says the N-word, right?

He put two N's in it, so he misspelled it.

So he could be either one.

That's all I'm saying.

But yeah, he's a-

It's interesting.

Yeah, he is.

And he's like, he's confident saying it.

He seems really like he's from that culture.

Yeah.

So now are we witnessing that word become more of a cultural thing and not a specific race thing that's what i wonder because i'm just wondering like say you're so much a part of the culture and it seems like he is like he has black friends he says the word around them if you're so much a part of it but then you can't say that thing are you then does that feel like the culture isn't saying well you're you're you're here but you not – so I have no idea. But it's interesting.
It is interesting because it is like – so I guess when I was growing up in New York, it was a thing that white people, we would never say and you could not say. But like Puerto Ricans that were kind of like white presenting would say it and that.
Yeah. I think even like Mexicans were kind of saying it.
Sometimes even Asians would say it. But it felt really like a word white people were not allowed to say, obviously because of the historical context.
Right. But that situation right there is quite interesting.
Like if he did grow up in this culture, maybe it's his friend's way of saying, we don't see you as different, bro. Right.
Like we actually see you as one of us and we don't feel any negative sentiment when you say it. And this is our way of saying we accept you and you're not different.
Maybe. Again, I don't know.
I'd have to ask them. Whereas like if somebody else said it who is not from the culture at all, they'd be like, yeah, you can't say that.
And that's their way of saying you're not from the culture, bro. You are not.
You're a visitor here and you're not allowed to say that thing. Right.
Yeah, that's kind of how I think I'm going to say. I just think it's interesting.
It's kind of interesting because you have people defending him online. You have people calling him out online.
Yeah. And some of his music is great, man.
I mean, it's catchy. I'm curious to like it's yeah it's like and some of the lines he's saying like you know don't get in trouble because of my shit like you know i'm not saying this because i'm i'm just saying this because this is who i am right he even expresses in like that stand on it song like don't don't get in it don't repeat my shit just to get it now you get in trouble right which i yeah, that's empathetic.
It's at least given his story. Right.
Because he probably is aware that, oh, shit, white kids might see me doing this. And then they think it's OK for them to do it.
And now they're getting fucked up. And so he's like, listen, your life might not be my life.
Like, like, right. At least you put a safety precaution on this.
Like a lot of people. That's like better than the parental advisory yeah it's just there's a there's a white disclaimer yo you are not me yeah yeah yeah that's a ginger advisory right there that's a ginger advisory dude but this is gonna this could potentially open up gateways for some gingers to say the n-word and some spicy some because they've long been looming on the edge of the culture the ring around saturn they call them and it's like it'll be interesting to see what happens dude yeah do we that's something like we gotta ask ourselves like are we fully accepting of gingers like are white people fully accepting of the gingers i mean look i don't are you even what do you like part something right my father's from nicaragua my and my mother's just white yeah but um i don't You know, I've thought, are you even, what are you? You're like part something, right? My father's from Nicaragua.
My, and my mother's just white. Yeah.
But, um, I don't, you know, I've thought, you know, yeah, I'm not an anymore guy. You're not dropping it.
I'm not that. Fuck no.
What am I fucking trying to prove to somebody? But I do remember they had like this cool band. I went to a black fraternity and we'll get you out here in a second.
Which one? Um, I wasn't in one. It was like Snoop or something new, uh, uh, uh, uh, Stata Noop or something.
Bring up a couple of black fraternities over there. Southern.
Alpha. What is it? University.
Alpha Kappa Psi. Alpha.
Oh, Phi Beta. Kappa Alpha Psi.
That might have been it. The Kappas are.
Have you seen the Kappas before? Kappas are cool. They got like a cane and they do like these cool dances with the cane.
My boy was a Kappa in college. That could have been it.
They were like swagged out. And then the, what is the, the Omegas, those are like the athlete.
That's like the athlete frat. Oh, really? You know, Shaq.
Yeah. Oh, Shaq has that.
The Q-Dogs. Oh, that thing, Q-Dogs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was Q-Dogs shit right they invited they had like a it was like it was a it was Nickelback but it was black guys doing it right it was like don't even say it don't even say it don't even say the name of that cover band don't even say the name of the Nickelback Black Cover Band, Theo.

We've almost done the whole pod, okay?

We did a good job.

We did a good job.

I know you're trying to bait me with this, Jin Lee.

We did a good job today, okay?

We did a good job today, Theo. Hear me out.

Here we go.

Light it on fire.

Light it on fire.

It was just a great—I was like, this is a crazy cover band and then one of their song was like oh this is how you remind me okay so they're doing like hip-hop renditions this is a nick And just make sure you say it right, yeah. We don't even have to go into it.
That's so crazy how we all know exactly how it was spelled. But yeah, look, I just felt welcome to be in the building.
So that's all I'm saying, dude. This is how you remind me.
You're not mean. Never made it as a wise man.
I'm sorry. I'm going to spit that whole song right now.
I spit that whole shit right now, Theo. I don't want to have it, dude.
Couldn't cut it as a whole mess. We got to stop.
It's only going to get worse. Congratulations on life.
The new special is out now. Congratulations on me and my dad, man.
Thank you, brother. Yeah.
Thanks for being just somebody. Yeah.
It's good to have like that. There's different podcasters in different parts of the country and different parts of like the world, you know, and it's just, we're lucky to be able to do this and, and to be able to spend these conversations.
I got to come up there and get on your pod this summer, man. Oh, please, man.
I want you on Flagrant and I want you on Brilliant Idiots, man. I want you on both, man.
I'll be up there in April, I think, for a week. You and Charlotte got to kick it, man.
We got to get together, I know. Even if we just go grab a drink, I think you guys would hit it off, bro.
Oh, I'm sure we would. You guys have great vibes.
He's incredible, man. He's incredible.
I've only heard good things, man. It would be an honor.
But thank you so much for your time, dude. I know it's very valuable and it means a lot, and I just appreciate it.
Congrats on everything, man. You too, man.
Super stoked for you, bro. Super stoked.
Congratulations. Dude, this jacket, Zach Bryan gave me this jacket.
It's very hot in here. I saw.
I saw in the back. I was trying to fit in a little, so this is black as I get today, brother.
The Zach Bryant tour jacket. It kind of shows you where I'm at, you know? Thanks, man.
All right, you bet, man. Thanks.
Oh, that was great. Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be cornerstone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little while.