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Today's guest is,

Speaker 1 well, he's the GOAT.

Speaker 1 He is an iconic comedian. He has a new tour going on right now called the Heaven on Earth Tour.

Speaker 1 He is labeled by many as an oracle, as the black crystal ball, I've heard him called. I'm thankful that he came down from the clouds today to spend time with us.
Today's guest is Mr. Kat Williams.

Speaker 1 If I were you, find no song, I would stay in host.

Speaker 1 What's up, man?

Speaker 2 What's up, man?

Speaker 2 It's time.

Speaker 2 It's good to see good old Theo Vine.

Speaker 1 It's an honor, man.

Speaker 2 The world loves you. You know?

Speaker 1 Well, that's nice of you to say.

Speaker 1 I feel like I can't believe I'm around you, I think. I feel like you seem like a

Speaker 1 mythical figure.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, like

Speaker 1 Sack Squatch or

Speaker 2 like a unicorn or something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you'll still feel that way by the end. Like, I won't ruin that.
Yeah, okay. Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's the good thing about people like you and i like if somebody

Speaker 2 thinks that they like us

Speaker 2 and they think they've made a connection with this person on the screen um

Speaker 2 when they're around us

Speaker 2 it's legitimate because it was legitimate you know what i mean like like um

Speaker 2 if theo vaughn wasn't successful

Speaker 2 He doesn't have a different story.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It's the same story. He lived that story.
And

Speaker 2 that's why people gravitate to you because there's nobody like you.

Speaker 1 Well, thanks, man. I feel the same about you.
I feel like everybody does.

Speaker 2 And you have a statue of me at your house. So, you know.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. Thank you, man.
Yeah, thank you for letting them even do that statue. What was that whole deal like with them, with Michaels? That's where I got mine.
I was at Michaels.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 yeah did you do a it wasn't a collab or what was it nope

Speaker 2 nope they just

Speaker 2 robbed my image and likeness because they could

Speaker 2 because they were doing it for religious purposes oh yeah i allowed it to be

Speaker 2 Well, thank you. We wish you a black Christmas.

Speaker 1 Hey, man, look, I'd be honored to have one.

Speaker 1 I'd be honored to have one. Yeah, man.
Because, yeah, when I met that guy there, he said, we got two left, man, you know, and it was 200, and one of them was marked down because it had a chip in it.

Speaker 1 But it's still, man, it's an honor. I keep it up in my house year-round.
And people walk in and they're like, no way, that's Cat William right there.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 1 And it's beautiful, man.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You have a new, you have a new tour, man. And, you know, I know people talk about touring and comedy a lot.
And I want to know what kind of keeps you still doing comedy.

Speaker 1 Like, did you like, because I think when we start out, maybe it's to be funny, and then some people get to this place where they want to have a message.

Speaker 1 Do you notice that kind of tone shift in your like desire to do it over time?

Speaker 2 I don't, I don't think so. Like, I

Speaker 2 always try to have a message just because I enjoy the fact that

Speaker 2 while laughing and joking, you might

Speaker 2 learn something you didn't know and have gotten it from a comedian. And

Speaker 2 I kind of dig that. But everything else is just continuing this conversation with my fan base.
Like, these are my friends that I haven't seen since the last time I was here.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 here's our discussion furthering our relationship. So

Speaker 2 it hasn't felt much like work

Speaker 1 and this the heaven on earth tour. Do you um

Speaker 1 do you believe in heaven?

Speaker 2 Absolutely

Speaker 2 and earth, yeah, all right, all right, fair, touche, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 I remember when I first, because like when I was growing up, we just had uh, you know, you learned about heaven and stuff, but all the pamphlets or whatever I'd seen at church or anything, it always had uh, it was mostly white folks on it, right?

Speaker 1 Right. And then I went to a black church one time.
Yeah. It was,

Speaker 1 I think it's called Greater Starlight Baptist Church that was in our town.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 shout out to Greater Starlight Baptist Church.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. It was nice in there.
This was in Covington, Louisiana. But,

Speaker 1 but, yeah, they had.

Speaker 2 About 13 miles from Slydale. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Map Williams in the building, baby.

Speaker 1 But, and that's when I realized

Speaker 1 that's when I realized, oh, everybody's going to be in heaven. That was the first time that I realized heaven was going to be very diverse.
I'd never thought about it.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And it was, it blew my mind. I was like, oh, wow, they're going to have black folks in heaven, Asian folks.

Speaker 1 All types of folks are going to be there, you know?

Speaker 2 It's truly the only place that white people are a minority.

Speaker 2 yeah huh is in heaven just because thousands of years went with nobody getting to go yeah just because of

Speaker 2 fuck shit that they might not have even been involved in you know what i mean yeah

Speaker 1 yeah i guess i'm kind of i don't know if i'm starting to look forward to it i am excited about it yeah but i yeah i guess i get caught up in like a lot of worldly stuff you know like there's still things i want to do here that type of thing you know really yeah

Speaker 2 You still got stuff you haven't done?

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. I got some things.
Yeah, some different things. I would like to write a book, I think.

Speaker 2 Don't say what they are, but I'm saying just the fact that you got things

Speaker 2 that you're excited about doing,

Speaker 2 that's the joy of life. That's when you're living.

Speaker 2 So many, that's why it's so difficult for these super wealthy people to be fucking happy. Like they can do everything else, but they can't fucking be happy because they've lived all their dreams.

Speaker 2 They got everything they were trying to get.

Speaker 2 They wake up and

Speaker 2 they can't score a touchdown no matter what.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a terrible life. But guys like you and I that still got

Speaker 2 stuff to try and taste and, you know, things to feel and people to be around, like, it gives life a wonderful meaning, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that is something that, like, if I stay kind of motivated and I have a plan a little bit that keeps me a lot more

Speaker 1 like, okay, I want to do this, I still want to try that.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and I start to think, man, I'm running out of time too.

Speaker 1 You know, if you really like to taste different things and smell different flowers and you know, and see what's on in different gardens and stuff, then you start to run out of time.

Speaker 2 No, you don't think, no, because

Speaker 2 you had to be in the position that you're in now

Speaker 2 for

Speaker 2 you to be able to make some of these things happen.

Speaker 2 Couldn't have done them at 34, 24, 14 because

Speaker 2 circumstantially you weren't ready. You weren't ready financially.
You didn't have the time. You didn't know that's what you wanted to do.
Now at this place is when you can make those things happen.

Speaker 2 Like you can do everything on that list of yours in 2025 with no fucking sweat. And your biggest problem in 26 is I got to have a new list.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 time is one of the main things that's made up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you think?

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 So it's just used as like a mechanism to what limit our thinking?

Speaker 2 Well, don't say limit. You said that you like

Speaker 2 this

Speaker 2 thing because it gives control and it and it puts things in its place and that's what time does for us so that we're able to keep track you know but

Speaker 2 but the less you deal with time

Speaker 2 you realize you have the right amount of time to do everything you got to do every day

Speaker 2 24 hours and you could make it an adventure every fucking day like

Speaker 2 hey i could die tomorrow what would that mean i would need to be doing today

Speaker 2 how do i you see what i'm saying like not looking at it like oh i'm running out of time no no no no dead people ran out of time yeah

Speaker 2 everybody else alive

Speaker 2 you got 30 swim trunks do that for me

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 How you going to say you got 30 swim trunks, but you ain't never been in the ocean, Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 Bro, thank you for having a good sense of humor, man.

Speaker 2 That's what I am.

Speaker 2 I am a good sense of humor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes we forget about that along the way, man. You are.
How long do you want to live for it, then you think, Cat? You got to check out. You got to,

Speaker 1 when you ever think about it?

Speaker 2 I was promised that I won't have to deal with that. So I don't

Speaker 2 consider it.

Speaker 2 I do know that,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't have any things that I have to do in order to go out the way I would like.

Speaker 2 So that's a blessing. And

Speaker 2 about one of the best you can get, you know, is

Speaker 2 Being okay

Speaker 2 with

Speaker 2 the body of work and the legacy and the feelings and the emotions that you left you know and um

Speaker 2 and i still haven't done my best like comedically

Speaker 2 like i'm still not really my funniest like i'm still not

Speaker 2 working hard enough like i'm still not um

Speaker 2 I still haven't made a complete package of myself yet.

Speaker 1 Do you think some comedians start to feel like they have and that that's a trap?

Speaker 2 Most comedians have though.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm saying that becomes part of the career is the fact that a lot of guys that are doing comedy right now

Speaker 2 were funny from 1995 to 2004.

Speaker 2 They're still working.

Speaker 2 They're still generating income. They're still,

Speaker 2 but their best comedy is long behind them. They're not that comedian that was thinking something was funny and writing it down and figuring a way to get this to the people.
And

Speaker 2 so, yeah, it happens.

Speaker 1 What sidetracks comedians? I guess it could be all types of things, huh?

Speaker 1 Which sidetracks them from maybe fulfilling their

Speaker 2 excellence is difficult,

Speaker 2 but to be mediocre, it's no pressure. Like, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
Like, if you don't feel like you have to be the funniest person

Speaker 2 that this crowd has seen tonight, then you don't. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Nobody's going to jam you up about it. They'll go, oh, you were funny.

Speaker 2 And for a lot of people, that's enough.

Speaker 1 How do you pick, you've had a lot of openers. Like, I've met a lot of your openers over the years here and there.

Speaker 1 How do you choose them man? How do you choose these guys or women?

Speaker 2 You need a lighter whether you're oh, no, no, I have no needs. I apologize

Speaker 2 What I choose them based upon whether

Speaker 2 whether the

Speaker 2 whether their point of view is unique to them like I don't care what a comedian's talking about. That's your business.

Speaker 2 I don't care what jokes you're making or how your set flows.

Speaker 2 But are you telling a story about you?

Speaker 2 Can people see this eight minutes, 12 minutes you're going to do

Speaker 2 and know you

Speaker 2 and have a chance to like you?

Speaker 2 If you do that, then you can open for me because my allegiance is to the people out there in those seats. And I want them to see the very best comedians that I can possibly bring.

Speaker 2 Somebody they'll enjoy whether they're male or female or white or black. Just

Speaker 2 do they come to work? Do they have a show for you? You see? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I care about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think when I was getting into comedy in the beginning, I didn't

Speaker 1 I wanted people to know me, right?

Speaker 1 Like I never, I like the jokes and I want them to, I want them to laugh and feel good and see different ways ways that maybe I think and stuff but I wanted to sell myself that's what I always thought I think yeah when I first started I didn't think I don't want you to remember one joke I want you to remember me right like I felt like this desperate that's a star though see you knew that you would be a star that's different than a performer

Speaker 2 a performer is based upon the act What I'm saying is magicians ain't shit unless they doing magic. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 Oh, if I see them bitches, yeah, I feel right.

Speaker 2 Bro,

Speaker 2 yeah. But a true comedian is above the comedy material.

Speaker 2 The jokes are secondary.

Speaker 2 We like this guy

Speaker 2 and we want to hear what this guy has chosen to say to us about the topics of his choosing. That's who you are.
You know what I mean? That's who you are. That's who you are, Kat.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, tastes want to know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you grew up in Ohio, huh?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you grow up by Dave Chappelle? You guys grew up near each other.

Speaker 2 Dave Chappelle's not even from Ohio.

Speaker 1 Isn't he? I thought he's from Dayton.

Speaker 2 I'm from Dayton. Are you really? Yeah.
Chappelle's from D.C.

Speaker 1 Oh, damn. My bad.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Nope. So, but he lives in Dayton now, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he has a lot of, he owns probably $5 million worth of property out there. Dang.
He's doing really well for our Dayton, Ohio.

Speaker 1 They got a beautiful museum out there I went to.

Speaker 2 Dayton's a wonderful place.

Speaker 1 They have the Air Force Museum, I think it is out there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because we have Wright-Patterson Air Force Base that we're very, very proud of.

Speaker 1 It's awesome. Yeah, they have, I think Fat Man and Little Boy are in there.
Is it the or the plane that dropped

Speaker 1 those are planes that dropped the bombs on

Speaker 1 I want to say it's

Speaker 1 I want to say it's Pearl Harbor in there maybe

Speaker 1 it could be Hiroshima

Speaker 1 Little Boy and Fat Man.

Speaker 2 There we are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what Rogan named his the rooms of his comedy club after.

Speaker 2 He certainly did. The mothership.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they really get it over there.

Speaker 2 You feeling the pressure?

Speaker 1 Of this interview?

Speaker 2 No, no. Of Austin?

Speaker 1 Of moving there?

Speaker 2 Is Austin calling you? A little bit. Are they trying to put pressure on you?

Speaker 1 A little bit. I didn't, like, at first I wanted to do my own thing.
Like, a lot of people were moving there.

Speaker 1 But now when I'm there, it just feels like it's a fun energy.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 1 And there's people on stage, and you can go up and down that sixth street, and you can do five or six sets in a night.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a lot of practice, and it's probably within 800 footsteps or whatever.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that to me seems really remarkable. What's on your what's on the new tour? What's it like? Like, what's it like to still go out there? What's it like to like, do you do in the round?

Speaker 1 What's your show like? I've been to a Cat Williams show,

Speaker 2 clearly. Yeah.
And what a blessing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 That's true. I still have it to look forward to.

Speaker 2 Right. And we, we just learned we got plenty of time, you know.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 it's like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, it's like a festival for

Speaker 2 laughs and good energy. And

Speaker 2 there are

Speaker 2 different comedians before it gets to me. And so you get a chance to

Speaker 2 get an overview of some of the

Speaker 2 greatest comedians around the country and get a chance to to see them and

Speaker 2 it's hosted by Monique and Monique is a super large figure in comedy and

Speaker 2 she has a great presence and

Speaker 2 and then after all of said and done then I come out

Speaker 2 and I

Speaker 2 congregate with the people for an hour and yeah

Speaker 2 the best thing I think is probably the fact that you've gotten your money's worth twice before I get on stage. Amen.
And I think that's the part I'm probably proudest of. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Were you, what do you bring with you on the road? Somebody said you bring a cyber truck. Is that true?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 That's my work truck.

Speaker 1 I have a cyber truck. That's why I was just curious what you thought about it.

Speaker 2 When I'm home on the ranch,

Speaker 2 that's my farm truck. Um, I love it, like it's fun.

Speaker 1 It feels like you're driving an email, kind of.

Speaker 1 Oh, what? It feels like you're driving an email, that's what I feel like sometimes.

Speaker 1 It just feels like I'm in the future, like you could floor it and just yeah, it does feel like a UFO, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you'll put the gas on Monday, like you'll floor it, and you'll fuck it when it stops, it's fucking Thursday right there. It's like it just has like a

Speaker 1 I don't know,

Speaker 2 yeah, it's a it's a it's

Speaker 2 it's a unique experience, you know?

Speaker 1 Have you met him? Have you met Elon before?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 No, I don't.

Speaker 2 I don't generally enjoy the company of billionaires. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to think if I know any good billionaires.

Speaker 2 Well, it's not that they're not good, but I'm saying

Speaker 2 I don't need to be reminded of my inadequacies, you know. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, like,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 What you do for fitness, man? What's your fitness regime like? You got a regime each day, or what's that like?

Speaker 2 The ladies keep me fit. I'm heavy in sexual relations, and so

Speaker 2 that keeps you

Speaker 2 pretty fit.

Speaker 2 I got a cold plunge and a jacuzzi and a sauna that I do pretty ritualistic.

Speaker 2 I've never been a gym guy. I got two torn rotator cuffs, so I kind of damn both them bitches gone, huh? Yeah, yeah.
So golf is basically how I

Speaker 2 stay

Speaker 2 where I'm trying to be. But

Speaker 2 I've never been seven pounds under or over in my life.

Speaker 2 You're that middle dog.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm at 150. You know?

Speaker 1 On the dime, baby, he'll show up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He'll fucking checkmate a scale, baby.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right, right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I like, what have I been doing recently? Swimming? Oh, there's you playing golf right there.

Speaker 1 Damn, cat out there.

Speaker 2 Right. So, you know, if you can get 222

Speaker 2 without... your arms ever going above your head and do it consistently where it always ends up in the fairway, that you're hitting,

Speaker 2 you know, 14, 16 of 18 in the fairway. You know, this is, then you can play the game a little better.

Speaker 1 Banging out there, yeah. Well, you can't get them arms.
I guess at a certain point, your arms don't need to go that high in the air anyway, though.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think of what I well, it would certainly, it would certainly give me more yards and a fuller thing. It's just

Speaker 2 the rotator cuffs don't allow it. So I started golfing with these 80-year-old guys that,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 1 them bitches, you gotta wait.

Speaker 2 You gotta like they can barely get out the car, but then they come out there and outdrive you. Every shot is better than your.

Speaker 2 So they taught me how to

Speaker 2 play golf under restraint so as to not hurt myself, you know?

Speaker 1 And how'd you bang them cuffs up? What happened, you think?

Speaker 1 What you mean? How'd you

Speaker 2 oh,

Speaker 2 I was in the midst of a

Speaker 2 of a push-up contest.

Speaker 2 No way. You blew them out.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, man.
But

Speaker 2 I was probably at 200. I was doing too much.

Speaker 1 You did 200 push-ups?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And tore the cuffs both at the same time.
You ripped both them bitches, man.

Speaker 1 God damn, boy, you better

Speaker 2 pull up at a jiffy loop and get well, buddy.

Speaker 2 The guy I'm going against, because the way it worked is you could do as many as you wanted. When you stop, it's my go, and I got a match.
You know what I mean? So.

Speaker 2 You took it to the limits, huh? You was a horse.

Speaker 1 You took it to the limits, man. Yeah, maybe you could probably do some swimming safely.
Maybe I could see you get.

Speaker 2 I'm an avid water guy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm in the water probably more than

Speaker 1 you're that dark koi, baby. You out there.

Speaker 2 I love the water. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I pray underwater. Like,

Speaker 2 because, you know,

Speaker 2 evil can't access you underwater, you know? Oh, that's interesting. A lot of people don't know.

Speaker 1 Is that true? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And maybe that's why a baby, a child is an amniotic fluid, huh?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like water is super powerful, like

Speaker 2 a living being. I'm sure that soon in the future, they will confirm for us that water is a sentient being and that, you know.

Speaker 1 Man, that's gonna be if they do that.

Speaker 2 Well, that's why all through our history, there was always gods of water, just because

Speaker 2 it's such a powerful force. You know?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 God is great. Yeah, I have a trouble out there.
I think I'm just not the best swimmer, man. I never, I don't like the swim cap either.
You know, I never like putting that cap on.

Speaker 1 That just was not something that

Speaker 2 was my vibe, you know. What do you mean by not a good swimmer? I just don't like it, man.

Speaker 1 I don't like being out in there. I'm kind of a land dog.
I like being on land. I respect water too much.
I think I get too scared in it. I just,

Speaker 1 yeah, that's it. I get scared in it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you have to have a real respect for it, no matter what, like on a boat or regardless.

Speaker 2 It's one of those crazy things that, you know, it's beautiful and wonderful and it sustains life, but it has a thousand ways to kill you. And it, yeah, it houses

Speaker 2 the scariest

Speaker 2 in the whole world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just get nervous.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. But what are you like in a jacuzzi, though?

Speaker 1 I'm pretty chill, I think.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm okay in a jacuzzi, but even then if nobody's around i don't know i just don't know if i trust myself or not not to not to like yeah if i even fuck if i'm even driving through a long puddle i'll look at my watch and make sure everything's all right you know i just get but you had a drowning incident in your past i think i've just had some probably nervous experiences with it man we used to have a neighbor and this guy was probably

Speaker 1 I don't know if he had like one of them big bathtubs they had at their house

Speaker 1 and they would uh he would play he would make us play navy or something he's probably a gay guy but we didn't know, right? But he would have us play in Navy.

Speaker 2 You have more than six of those stories. So you can't.

Speaker 2 I hate claiming it now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had, well, but he'd have us play, but it was just like a lot of.

Speaker 2 It was a guy

Speaker 2 had you looking in buttholes. So I'm saying.
Yeah, we've had some fucking wild neighbors, bro.

Speaker 2 Some of these guys were certain gay.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they was gay.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure what they were.

Speaker 2 We're sure. We're sure what they were.

Speaker 1 You just made it through all the gauntlets

Speaker 2 as a participant. Oh, yeah, I'll fucking, I put a juke on a nutsack.
You know what I'm saying, bro? Give me my $4.

Speaker 1 Bro, I get, we grew up just at them, but back then they had this more pedophiles and wildness, I think, back then, man. People wouldn't, now it's all documented, you know? Right.

Speaker 1 But back then, it was just

Speaker 1 people was more, you know.

Speaker 1 I remember we had a guy that called

Speaker 1 one basketball coach had been like kind of tickling the kids a lot, right?

Speaker 1 And then the other guy called him and he said, He said, Hey,

Speaker 2 you keep

Speaker 2 that so natural.

Speaker 2 You said that so naturally. Like, that's a thing that coaches can find themselves dealing with.

Speaker 1 He's trying to get that three-pointer out of you, bro.

Speaker 2 He's trying to like,

Speaker 2 oh.

Speaker 1 But they had, yeah, just, but they called him and said, hey, they said, Mr. Sharp, you said, you can't, if you keep tickling a kid, you can't coach him no more.

Speaker 1 But that was it. There wasn't like a lawsuit or anything.
It was just more,

Speaker 1 you know, stern activity. Don't do it.
Don't do it like that. But we had, I mean, I don't, I don't fucking know, man.

Speaker 2 What was that? What were we talking about?

Speaker 1 Oh, Jap, swimming people.

Speaker 1 Swimming, man. Yeah, I never, I think I just get too nervous in water.
I just, I know it's too powerful. that's what i know yeah i know it's way more powerful than i am man yeah

Speaker 1 but it's so funny you like

Speaker 1 yeah because i could see you man i think sometimes if i think about you i think about you like

Speaker 1 i could see you having like a show at a sea world or something like that you know

Speaker 1 like you know what i'm saying matt like a

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 2 cat no it'll be a one night only but still because i'm letting all down i'm letting everybody out are you free bro like this is wrong you free

Speaker 2 like i'm black i'm not gonna stand here in front of a prison and do a joke you freeing all the black fish

Speaker 2 all the fish every fish in the ocean bro free memo bro till it's backwards man i don't know what happened yesterday

Speaker 2 everyone's gone dude if they had one

Speaker 1 If they had one night, though,

Speaker 1 I'm talking a five, $320 ticket. It's a pricey ticket, but it's a why not only Cat Williams and the whales, baby?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Cat,

Speaker 2 fish.

Speaker 2 I got you.

Speaker 1 People, bro.

Speaker 1 It'd be unprecedented, man.

Speaker 2 You know? Indeed. Indeed, it would be.

Speaker 1 It would be unprecedented. People would love it, man.

Speaker 2 I think people are loving the fact that you're sharing new stories.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 So get back to the guy in his big bathtub.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Roy was his name, right?

Speaker 1 Roy. And he ended up in the military.
But at the time, nobody knew that. You know, we were just children and he was,

Speaker 1 and he got a whistle or something. Somebody bought him a whistle.
And so he would,

Speaker 1 he would just have us like do these like little games or whatever, you know. And

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 I don't know if kids were violent during that or sometimes people would be aggressive or something, but I think maybe that made me nervous about water. My sister almost drowned one time.

Speaker 1 I thought she did drown. She didn't, but she almost drowned once.
So I think just stuff like that. We would go swim in a river and there weren't a lot of lifeguards.

Speaker 1 So I think that's super scary because, you know, you get caught with a current or something. It's just real,

Speaker 1 it can be a lot, you know?

Speaker 2 Which river?

Speaker 1 The river we were at. I think it was probably part of the Chafuncta, like a little tributary of it.

Speaker 2 Dirty water. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's scary, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so just that kind of atmosphere, I guess, maybe.

Speaker 1 Trying to think of what made me so scary. And you know what? I don't know if I knew how to swim that great.

Speaker 1 You had to funct a river. I don't know if I knew how to swim that great, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think, yeah, people could.

Speaker 1 I would love to see you do a water show of some sort one day if you ventured out.

Speaker 1 to that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 I appreciate the fact that you're giving me ideas of things that are unprecedented.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'd be really cool, man.

Speaker 2 Nobody else has a water show.

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Speaker 2 Point your toes west.

Speaker 1 Were you affected by the fires, Cat? Do y'all have any damage?

Speaker 2 I felt like everybody that I

Speaker 2 everybody of my work life lived in the Palisades.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's

Speaker 2 massive gut punch, just the

Speaker 2 lives and economies of people that have been destroyed. But

Speaker 2 this is how life this is how life operates, you know.

Speaker 2 It's very humbling

Speaker 2 for there to be thousands of homeless millionaires, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so surprising, man. I had a friend.
I was talking to him.

Speaker 1 He said, hey, do you want me to go to your apartment and get your, I got a Jeep Cherokee out of here. So you want to go get it in case it wins, change it.

Speaker 1 And I said, I think it's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 And I said, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to an audition.

Speaker 1 And it was just so wild that you had places that were completely disappear off the earth.

Speaker 1 And then you have a guy who's going to an audition at the same time, you know, just that there's so many things happening at once in this.

Speaker 1 It's like part of it is so affected and some of it is unaffected, you know, kind of just was a dichotomy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel that way every time I watch international news. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Just if you watch another country's news and see all of the stuff that they're going through that we never hear about or know about or yes, it's crazy. LA is just so massive of a city, you know.

Speaker 1 It's like a state almost in a way, right?

Speaker 2 Like LA is like a collection of 100 cities, you know, that make this.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. I ever thought about it like that.

Speaker 2 With

Speaker 2 Hollywood and

Speaker 2 Sino and Beverly Hills, and all Compton, Gardena, and Inglewood, and Hawthorne, and Torrance, and the city of Manchester, and all of these places are

Speaker 2 fingers and pieces of the body that is L.A.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 there's no way for six or seven of those parts to be going through pain and the body to

Speaker 2 be okay. But by the same token, it has to be.
You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 if you break your finger,

Speaker 2 the rest of your finger still got work to do.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, mine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes I think about what it would be like,

Speaker 1 like, if I were like another ethnicity, you know? You ever imagined like that? Like, if you was an Asian guy?

Speaker 1 Like, if you could handle it?

Speaker 2 You know, I, um.

Speaker 2 you ever had dreams like that when you're asian i'm not sure if you have those when you're black like

Speaker 2 i'm saying i i i was born black so i was born a

Speaker 2 superior being a superb specimen if you will uh

Speaker 2 as far as human creations are concerned so i i never wanted to be anything other than that.

Speaker 2 I wanted to know

Speaker 2 how other people felt.

Speaker 2 So I didn't.

Speaker 1 But you never thought I want to be that.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 But but maybe some of that is because I didn't think that was possible.

Speaker 2 Like I like,

Speaker 2 yeah, like I I didn't I didn't see it from a negative perspective. I saw it

Speaker 2 from a positive perspective. Right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like I'm in the driver's seat.

Speaker 2 I don't

Speaker 1 yeah, it'd be cool to be a passenger, but I'm I like the seat I'm in.

Speaker 2 That makes sense. Yeah, I didn't think that I didn't think that

Speaker 2 Chinese people were

Speaker 2 having more fun

Speaker 2 doing

Speaker 2 better things or I thought they were doing different things and they're doing fine. Yeah, and I was interested in knowing what those were, but it never dawned on me that they might be better.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Right. And

Speaker 2 I had white friends that were admirable, but

Speaker 2 I didn't imagine being white and I didn't think that they imagined being black, I guess, either.

Speaker 2 but you have a great imagination which is what makes you world-class you know like you have to have that because I heard you tell the story of

Speaker 1 you know I know the stories yeah I think because I think about that a lot I guess of what it would be like to be

Speaker 1 different ethnicities if I could handle it

Speaker 1 You know, if I would think it was fun.

Speaker 2 I don't think that you would be as different from yourself as you are as a white guy. As you imagine that you would be.

Speaker 1 Oh, you would just be kind of the same, but just in different shapes.

Speaker 2 Right, right. What I'm saying is,

Speaker 2 I don't think that you

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 1 you think the thoughts and all are kind of the same, then you think.

Speaker 2 Like, that's I'm almost certain.

Speaker 2 I'm almost certain that you, as a black guy, are

Speaker 2 also not the norm. You're not, yeah.
You're,

Speaker 1 I could do it, I think.

Speaker 2 The singular.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1 I would like, you know, if I ever...

Speaker 2 I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to culture vulture or whatever, but I would like, if they ever give you, if they do,

Speaker 1 you know, if they let people,

Speaker 1 if I get to do reincarnation, I would put in an application.

Speaker 2 I know that. Okay, so let's work this out.
Let's work this out because if reincarnation is real,

Speaker 2 you have some say in it.

Speaker 1 That's right, because you probably get to apply or talk to the manager.

Speaker 2 I'm saying there's nobody else's opinion that will be more valued than yours, right?

Speaker 2 So let's decide.

Speaker 2 So where are you coming back?

Speaker 2 What do you want to try first?

Speaker 2 Which ethnicity you mean? Don't go right to black. Okay, I won't.

Speaker 1 I'll wait a round. Yeah, I'll wait at least a round or whatever.
I will do.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I...

Speaker 1 Would I do? I don't, Asian seems so,

Speaker 1 it feels like you could, it feels easy to do, kind of. I hate to say that, it just seems racist.

Speaker 2 Sorry, no, it's okay. Okay,

Speaker 1 yes, I said it. Asian people,

Speaker 1 oh, I would be Mexican, seems Mexican seems cool. It's you're kind of almost a, you're like a little black or whatever, but you're also

Speaker 2 you're just right. What was his name

Speaker 2 that came in your school.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 the first Mexican.

Speaker 1 No, the kid, the first Mexican that we ever had in our school.

Speaker 2 Not Constantine. No, Nicholas.
Nicholas. Right.

Speaker 2 Right. So you at least have some experience.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know how you could show up, you know, and you could be a hero and

Speaker 2 not get ahead of yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would go easy into it. I wouldn't let anybody know that I was, had been there, that I was,

Speaker 1 it was my first time.

Speaker 1 You know, I think you'd have to be because sometimes I believe you have first times as a human, even. Like, you meet some people, and it's like, oh, this is this person's first time being a human.

Speaker 2 The soul. Like, this is

Speaker 1 a damn newborn, you know? Right. And then you meet some people, you're like, damn, this person is a sensei.
This person has been.

Speaker 2 They've been here before.

Speaker 1 They've been here before.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I wouldn't go do black first, man. I wouldn't, yeah, I would definitely keep that for like a, or I would,

Speaker 1 yeah, I would try,

Speaker 1 I would be honored to do it if they let me do it. That's what I would say.

Speaker 2 I don't speak for the entire delegation, but

Speaker 1 I would do my best, man.

Speaker 2 We would be,

Speaker 2 again,

Speaker 2 as a black guy, we would be honored to have you

Speaker 2 come through

Speaker 2 our path. And the only reason I said don't do it first is just because there are certain things that go along with it that you just don't know how you would handle it, you know,

Speaker 2 until you got the dick of a horse. And then you just got to figure this thing out.
Like,

Speaker 2 fuck, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You got a parallel park, even probably tougher.

Speaker 2 You know, everything is different. A little bit different, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it'd be fun. Yeah.
I don't know if I'd go along. If, yeah, I would like to,

Speaker 1 especially if I got to bring a friend, I would definitely do it, man.

Speaker 2 You don't get to bring a friend.

Speaker 2 You make new friends with each of the. You see what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 1 oh, I know. See, I want to just have some safety, you know.
Same reason I don't want to be in the water, you know. It's just when I feel risk, it makes me, I think it makes me feel nervous, you know.

Speaker 2 Right, but nervousness was created for that. That's nervousness is a good thing.
You're supposed to feel that,

Speaker 2 but that doesn't dictate whether you continue.

Speaker 2 And if you can get a hold of that, understanding that nervousness doesn't mean stop

Speaker 2 the yellow light doesn't mean stop

Speaker 2 the yellow light means be cautious

Speaker 2 right and so when you feel those nerves understand those nerves mean okay

Speaker 2 don't fuck around

Speaker 2 but you can still enjoy yeah yeah so we're going to get you closer to the water in 2025 and we're going to

Speaker 2 deal with some of these

Speaker 2 ethnic

Speaker 1 blockages, maybe?

Speaker 2 I don't think they're blockages. You're very open-minded.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, they're not blockages.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just you're not dealing with blockage. You're dealing with

Speaker 2 uncertainty as to who you are in the universe and whether or not you belong in the places you feel like you.

Speaker 1 man, that's interesting. That is kind of how I feel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I'm always thinking of what this other thing would be like, kind of.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Right. Because

Speaker 1 I never really thought about it like that.

Speaker 2 I don't believe this is your home planet, you know.

Speaker 1 Do you believe that most of the people here that are living right now that this is their home planet?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 no.

Speaker 1 So, you feel like it's more

Speaker 1 that we're a we you feel like we're maybe a species from somewhere else that's been kind of that landed here or that got

Speaker 2 all of the religions tell the same story,

Speaker 2 and all of the stories are started up there and then end up down here and then continue.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there's a reason for that, I believe.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like this is like a place we're supposed to learn something? Do you feel like it's a place that we're kind of just spending time?

Speaker 2 An experience.

Speaker 2 A destination.

Speaker 2 You and I are at an age where we remember when the video game experience wasn't what it is now.

Speaker 2 It was still a game like Monopoly or something. You know, where it is now, it's a whole different universe that you can live inside

Speaker 2 from your Xbox or your PlayStation. And

Speaker 2 in Call of Duty, you're an actual soldier and you get kills and deaths and eliminations. And

Speaker 2 when you then cross over to the PGA game, you have your actual golfer that looks like you and has the name you gave him. And he's really going to go out there and do this 18 on whistling straight.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Then I go and get in my

Speaker 2 podium one sim racer and I

Speaker 2 pick the car of my choice, and I'm an actual racer. So

Speaker 2 those experiences located in that console, that's this experience here on earth that we're all able to share. And that's what would make that reincarnation possible.
It just means, oh,

Speaker 2 yesterday I played that game. And today I'm logging in this experience.
And so, yeah, certainly

Speaker 2 a universal

Speaker 2 college, if you will.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes I forget, I get caught up in the minutiae of things, you know, and I forget to kind of have this bigger breath of like

Speaker 1 this is an experience, it's not a sentence.

Speaker 2 An experience in which you're winning, right?

Speaker 2 And an experience in which you're in a better position

Speaker 2 than

Speaker 2 others who have been in this same

Speaker 2 you are excelling in a

Speaker 2 life in which you very well could have turned out to be nothing yeah or another statistic or just another

Speaker 2 forgotten body in a ditch and though those were the hazards right yeah and you theova made it through all of that and negated all of those horrific possibilities and are here in this position,

Speaker 2 the best you've ever been, you know? And those are the facts. And if we tell ourselves more of the facts in our head, then we don't hear so much negative, you know?

Speaker 1 If we try and just focus on telling ourselves the facts?

Speaker 2 Yeah, of our, of how good we're doing. Like

Speaker 2 we're much too hard on ourselves.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And I feel that all the time, man. Yeah.
I feel like I don't know any other way to be almost sometimes, like, not in a bad way, but

Speaker 1 yeah, I feel like it's

Speaker 1 this constant sentence. You know, like, you gotta.

Speaker 1 I feel like there's always been this to-do list that I don't even make, and it's just always been there. Does that make any sense to you? Yeah, that's how I feel all the time.

Speaker 1 Right? Like, oh, I gotta do, you know, still have to prove it, you know, a constant of approving.

Speaker 2 This, all winners have that disease.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 self-inflicted. It's

Speaker 2 for you.

Speaker 2 It's you doing that.

Speaker 2 And there's nothing wrong with that harsh management. It's what gets you to the point that you're at.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 if you have animals, you know that

Speaker 2 a relationship doesn't do good with just

Speaker 2 control words, just sit and stay. And

Speaker 2 there needs to be connection fostered and

Speaker 2 treats are the best thing for learning, you know? And

Speaker 2 so treat yourself with those type of things as well. Like don't forget to

Speaker 2 remind yourself

Speaker 2 of

Speaker 2 all of the people that you tell stories about, and the fact that

Speaker 2 that was it for them.

Speaker 2 That little piece of the story you told, like they didn't get better.

Speaker 2 Like, they didn't then change some stuff and go like

Speaker 2 you did. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like who was like a role model when you were growing up? Where do you think you got some of your own influences from?

Speaker 1 Do you think it was from people like actually humans in the world, or do you feel like you had kind kind of like divine thoughts that came into your head or guidance like where did that kind of stuff affect you like when you were younger do you feel like

Speaker 2 i i got it all from books

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 i got it all from books like what are you smoking cat um sir brother

Speaker 1 you smoke it if it's not pot i can smoke it

Speaker 2 right he said if it's not pot i can smoke it yeah it's for certain pot oh it is yes

Speaker 2 damn brother.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Sorry, if you needed a cigarette, you could have one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I might have a cigarette with you, man. Sure.

Speaker 2 What you're getting ready to have is not even available in this place

Speaker 2 that we live in.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 California. LA?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, they don't have Newports here?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're not allowed to do

Speaker 2 menthols.

Speaker 2 So racist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's weird. You can burn down a whole town, but you can't have a Newport.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And your blackness begins. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 2 I love that a lot. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 We had some cool black kids growing up in our area, bro.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Your basketball team pitcher is just so wonderful.

Speaker 1 Oh, thanks, man. Cal Jackson on there.
Don Galatis, he had a child.

Speaker 1 Number 34 of our basketball pitcher. We had a lot of good kids in there, man.
Right. Shout out James Gray.
His dad ran a car, a tire place.

Speaker 1 He was in there.

Speaker 1 There's Vincent. He got older, ladies, Vincent, dude.

Speaker 1 And Johnny, that's big Johnny. He was damn 11 feet tall baby he had birds living on his shoulders baby he was up there

Speaker 2 look

Speaker 1 we had a lot of cool kids in our area this

Speaker 2 that's how we know everything is perception for you you know what i mean because

Speaker 2 you gave two whole different sizes for two niggas that's the same size

Speaker 2 You can see they ain't the same size in the picture.

Speaker 2 He doesn't let that change his story. One of them was seven foot seven.
He was bigger than all the trees. The other one was six foot one.
Here they are together.

Speaker 1 Bro, Johnny was so tall, he had windows on the side of his head, but he was tall, man.

Speaker 2 He was, no, you were kneeling down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, countless stories.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's true.

Speaker 1 I was kneeling down, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but these, these experience, like, no matter what, like

Speaker 2 that dude, number 34, like, we want to hear his his stories yeah like we know he's got stories and we want to know if he'll tell the stories and the fact that that's what you do is why

Speaker 1 well thanks man thanks for uh

Speaker 1 thanks for the nice words i appreciate it you do a great job too man thank you for all the joy over the years

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 you just bought a

Speaker 1 military base is that right

Speaker 2 yeah formerly fort mcclellan

Speaker 1 Fort McClellan. And was it an active base till recently?

Speaker 2 I think it decommissioned in 1999.

Speaker 1 What's it like over there?

Speaker 2 Magnificent.

Speaker 2 Magnificent. It's going to be one of the greatest things that I personally have ever done.
But it's.

Speaker 1 This is it?

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 the front side of the beginning of the campus, which is 30 buildings,

Speaker 2 3 million indoor square feet,

Speaker 2 4 and 1 half miles of roads. Like, you know, we got the

Speaker 2 best parts of the base. They had chemical testing and stuff.
We don't have those parts of the base. That's the Department of Homeland Security.
But

Speaker 2 yeah, we just have a wonderful, blessed space at the foothills

Speaker 2 of the mountains. And

Speaker 2 it's really magical. And

Speaker 2 I was able to see what

Speaker 2 Tyler Perry was able to do with two or three hundred acres and a military base. Yeah, it's amazing.
And how you could

Speaker 2 make a movie studio out of that. And so, yeah, we're

Speaker 2 yeah, I,

Speaker 2 it's unbelievable. It hit the news recently, but

Speaker 2 I purchased it

Speaker 2 years,

Speaker 2 a couple of years back. Yeah, I've had it, so we've been working.

Speaker 1 Was that a tough step to like take that

Speaker 1 like, okay, we can get this and we can do this? Like, did you reach out to Solar Perry? Because I know he has, like, in Atlanta, he has an amazing space. He may have many spaces now.

Speaker 1 This was three years ago. I went to a space there to train for something, and they were, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I wasn't I wasn't um looking

Speaker 2 then or now for assistance. Like, we we we we can do this.
I just needed to be able to have a home where

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 great movies and

Speaker 2 entertainment product could be made without any of the shenanigans that are generally involved with Hollywood and

Speaker 2 be able to crank them out. And

Speaker 2 that all it needs to do is be good. If it's good, we're going to make it.
And so

Speaker 2 even though it might have appeared from interviews of me that, you know, this guy just loves tearing people apart, really, you know.

Speaker 2 We're trying to create something where it can provide a platform for a lot of

Speaker 2 people to show what they do. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, it would be a place where you could make other people's kind of dreams come true, like with film, television, that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 Right, where you can just basically

Speaker 2 have a great script and a great cast and leave your troubles at the door and walk out with the movie

Speaker 2 in the can. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 oh, I like that. I like that doing things yourself.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because they'll let the comedy movie industry die if we allow it. You know what I mean? And nobody in the fan base ever said, hey, we don't want any more funny movies.
Yeah. Nobody said that.

Speaker 2 None of the fans ever were like, hey, we're tired of laughing in the movies. Yeah, boo to the

Speaker 2 no one ever said that. They just decided, you you know, we make more money in the superhero action department.
Let's just do all those. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And so it'll just take for somebody in the comedy sphere to start producing

Speaker 2 funny shit. And there we go again.

Speaker 1 Do you already have projects kind of on tap?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got a slate.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm not allowed to really answer that question, but yeah, like

Speaker 2 it's a great, it's a great location where it is, you know, like it's an hour and a half from Atlanta or less. It's 45 minutes from Birmingham, you know.

Speaker 2 And I love that area, and they're so thirsty to be involved, you know, that

Speaker 2 we have equal thirst. So everybody wants it to work, and so it will.
Yeah. Amen.

Speaker 1 Dude, that's exciting, huh? It is. It is.
Will you have you kind of your hand in on most of the projects kind of like

Speaker 2 Is that a weird question? That's kind of it's kind of

Speaker 2 It's kind of not necessary for how

Speaker 2 For how it's set up it's set up

Speaker 2 in much of the way the grocery store is set up. So my job is just to make sure that all of the food that we sell in this grocery store belongs in this grocery store.
You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Is it a good quality? Oh, we'll get it in there. The people will want to see that.
Yeah, they'd love that. Yeah, the cherry plums.
Yeah, they'd love that. You know? And once that is,

Speaker 2 once that barrier is crossed, then we're just trying to make the best project for you and to make your

Speaker 2 smaller budget

Speaker 2 be able to compete with the larger budgets.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because comedy don't need the really big budget either.

Speaker 2 It just needs to be funny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It needs to be funny. But

Speaker 2 it also can't be under budgeted though. See, it can't look.

Speaker 1 It's got to be professional.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it cannot look cheap

Speaker 2 regardless, which means it can't be, you know, and that goes to the equipment and to the lighting. And that's why you need hundreds of acres of space to be able to

Speaker 2 have all of

Speaker 2 what we're having. Like

Speaker 2 they're building an amphitheater and, you know, we have sound stages and a whole auditorium. And, you know,

Speaker 2 it's

Speaker 1 pretty nice. Instead of seeing if you have the cars, that's...
owning the deck really you know like instead of waiting to get dealt the cards that's like saying,

Speaker 1 we're going to have, we're going to, it's just saying you're going to have, you're going to make sure that things can happen.

Speaker 2 It's like you having a podcast. It's like, it's almost a no-brainer.
Like, it makes sense. Yeah.
You know, it's something you know you can pull off.

Speaker 2 It's something that you know you're invested in. It's something you know you do well, you know? And so, yeah, it's that part.

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Speaker 1 What, um,

Speaker 1 are you married or not, Kat?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 I have wives, but no. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm a happy, happy man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes I thought I've been thinking a lot about getting married, but I don't know if sometimes it's like an outside pressure that I feel or if it's just like something I would like to have that family, you know,

Speaker 2 like that

Speaker 1 you know, I think you always have like an idea of what a family is, you know. Yeah, so sometimes I feel like

Speaker 1 that's something I want to try to make happen,

Speaker 1 you know. It seemed like it would be a real challenge.

Speaker 2 Scared of marriage, but I was scared of divorce.

Speaker 2 Like, my parents didn't get divorced. My parents are still together.
Oh, wow. Like, so I never,

Speaker 2 I always felt like you only do this one time, you know? And I was always more happy of the bullets I had dodged and the people that, whoa, I thought I could have, I would have married her.

Speaker 2 Like, I was ready to marry. You know what I mean? And then you'll see them years later and you're like, oh, you're like, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 yeah, happiness is what I'm after, not

Speaker 2 titles or idealistic situations. Like

Speaker 2 I just want to provide happiness and be provided that as well. And

Speaker 2 if you can get that situation regardless of what it's called,

Speaker 1 that's going to be maybe I get too stuck on the yeah, maybe I sometimes do get too like a

Speaker 1 feeling like I have to fill in the blanks as opposed to

Speaker 1 what do I really want to create? Right. You know?

Speaker 1 Like, or being like, what if I didn't get married? What would people think? You know, sometimes I'll get that stuck in my head, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I guess it's normal, but.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, I.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, I don't.

Speaker 2 I would hate to be put in a situation where I have to cheat on somebody. You know what I mean? And I kind of feel like, what was the point?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I don't want to set myself up for,

Speaker 1 that's a good point, too. I don't want to set myself up for a situation that would be uncomfortable for me, or I would hurt somebody else's feelings either.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's something I would not enjoy.

Speaker 2 But remember,

Speaker 2 in your next life, you know, you got a black woman coming. So

Speaker 2 things are going to change.

Speaker 1 Oh, Lordy.

Speaker 2 Things are going to change.

Speaker 1 It's going to be something.

Speaker 2 It's going to be something. God.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm going to.

Speaker 2 Have you experienced a black woman?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty much. I mean, I haven't dated just a black lady.

Speaker 2 She wasn't our best representative.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a cute black lady that I met at the airport that I would, that if I see her again, I would, I would, I think I would try to ask her out, but I haven't seen her again.

Speaker 1 But, um, but I would be open to dating a cool, cool black lady.

Speaker 2 Hold on. You know, hold on.
Let's talk specifically

Speaker 2 about this one you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she just looked like really confident and nice smile

Speaker 1 and pretty eyes. And I was like, man, there's just something about her.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.
And she was where?

Speaker 1 That I admired. She was working at the airport.

Speaker 2 Working at the airport.

Speaker 1 That's. So she was a worker.
She liked to work. She doesn't mind working.

Speaker 2 Hey, hey, they're beautiful.

Speaker 2 Which airport was this?

Speaker 1 This was at LAX.

Speaker 2 You bet it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 so she was TSA approved, too, you know?

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, if I see her again, I would try to.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're seeing her again.
Okay. We're seeing her again.
Because you have this feeling already.

Speaker 2 You're only saying it like, well, you never know. I might not see.
You're going to see her again. Absolutely.
Because we, yeah, you're going to ask her out. Beautiful.
Fantastic. Oh.

Speaker 2 She might. No, she's not watching.
She might be watching.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 She might be watching.

Speaker 1 Do you do that? You put things like into, do you like, do that, like speak things into existence type of thing?

Speaker 2 I'm not powerful enough to do that, but I don't ignore things that I see

Speaker 2 in existence.

Speaker 2 So what I'm saying is I'm not going to ignore the fact that you're not saying abstract.

Speaker 2 You know, if I saw a black woman that did something for me, I'd ask her out. No, you actively saw one.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah. And this is recent.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And

Speaker 2 it's going to be life-changing.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are black women a lot different, do you think?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. Like, yes.
Like,

Speaker 2 you know, black guys, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Black women are nothing like black guys.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 like, I don't want to put so much pressure on this lady

Speaker 2 at the airport, but

Speaker 2 she doesn't know we've had this conversation. No.
No.

Speaker 2 Magnificent creatures. Okay.

Speaker 2 In slavery,

Speaker 2 black women were appreciated.

Speaker 2 You understand how difficult that is?

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's some hard shit to pull off.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I hate you guys,

Speaker 2 but not all of you. Some of you are wonderful.

Speaker 2 Precious beings.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. That's black women are

Speaker 2 almost unreal.

Speaker 2 Only because what it is that they possess,

Speaker 2 they don't.

Speaker 2 It's not on purpose. Like, you know how we feel about people on the spectrum? Like,

Speaker 1 oh, yeah, imagine.

Speaker 2 Right. The reverence that you and I have for that community, right?

Speaker 2 You're going to feel that with black women. Wow.

Speaker 2 Like, they're really where the word

Speaker 2 nurture comes from.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like the ability to give you something

Speaker 2 as a man that

Speaker 2 you never had before or felt before and make it comfortable for you to access that. Like, no.
Really? Yeah. Really life-changing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man, because I, yeah,

Speaker 1 that's, yeah, this could be part of my 2025, man.

Speaker 2 It is, it clearly is, right, right, right. We've said we are, we've said it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You had a lot of last year, you seemed like you had a lot of predictions last year, you kind of became this oracle last year.

Speaker 1 Did you feel that

Speaker 1 that people came to you? They almost said you almost became kind of like this, uh,

Speaker 1 like a little bit of like a crystal ball, you know.

Speaker 2 Um, I'm

Speaker 2 I'm honored to get to say the things that I say when I'm saying them. And

Speaker 2 because you know that I operate from a positive first standpoint in all things, like

Speaker 2 I assume that it's going to work out for the best

Speaker 2 and I

Speaker 2 understand that if it is for the worst, then I'm prepared to handle that as well. But

Speaker 2 yeah, it was something.

Speaker 1 Did you start to worry any about your own safety and stuff? Because it seemed like you really had some moments where you're kind of,

Speaker 1 you know, almost channeling truths into

Speaker 2 the world.

Speaker 1 And some people don't like that. You know, some people don't want to, I mean, the dark side of things doesn't really probably enjoy that.

Speaker 2 Well, what it was that I was attempting to do was impossible. So before I do this interview,

Speaker 2 there is no Illuminati. It's just a joke.
It's just something that crazy people talk about. There's no such thing as our side and God's side.

Speaker 2 None of that is even real.

Speaker 2 I got to come and make it real. I have to come and and say, no, no, no, no.
Everybody's not the same.

Speaker 2 So that's why when I said that, nobody came out and went, that's not true. I'm on God's side.
Like, none of them.

Speaker 2 I'm just...

Speaker 2 The conversation was to show that there are spiritual things going on in the world and that there are things that are bigger than just

Speaker 2 coincidence and and that a ritual

Speaker 2 is something that you do over and over and over again a certain way. You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 If part of the ritual is wearing a dress, then we should be able to look through entertainment and see all of these

Speaker 2 people being made to wear a dress.

Speaker 2 That's what a ritual is. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 whether they're white or black, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 There's not other jobs where this is a requirement. Why is this?

Speaker 2 Why is this so necessary?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't see the dog catcher show up every

Speaker 2 other year.

Speaker 1 Like it's not a thing. In a nice skirt, or you don't see an electrician

Speaker 1 come up in a blouse every now and then.

Speaker 2 Right. I'm saying,

Speaker 2 A lot of people that doubt what you say don't read and they haven't been readers. You know what I mean? Like, books were my life, literally.

Speaker 2 I thought that I could learn enough information to be an important person. You know what I mean? So I'm

Speaker 2 actively trying to eat information. Like.

Speaker 1 Do you have a favorite book?

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Like, Like, even when I said

Speaker 2 how many books I read, like,

Speaker 2 people are thinking maybe I'm reading 900 page. No, no, no.
I'm reading 150, 200 page books, and I'm reading as many of them as I can because I'm trying to earn

Speaker 2 these pizza parties and these other weekly reader things

Speaker 2 that exist.

Speaker 2 My parents don't even celebrate holidays. I got to get my own gifts, bitch.
I'm finna read myself into

Speaker 1 a t-shirt and a personal paying pizza.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Right?

Speaker 2 So, so, so I got those books, and then I got the ones I'm trying to learn from, yeah, you know, and those are separate. But

Speaker 1 what was your question? Do you have a first book that you remember reading, like, or one that got read to you when you were a kid, or something you really liked?

Speaker 1 Like, a book that set it off for you that was like, oh.

Speaker 2 I read the Bible first. That's 66 books.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 yeah, it kind of

Speaker 2 was my starting point in

Speaker 2 book reading. But

Speaker 2 it's not set up like a book technically. It's very disjointed.
Oh, yeah. So I found that

Speaker 2 everything else I read was an easy read. You know what I mean? Like, I loved reading all of the classics because I felt like I was literally in

Speaker 2 this story. You know what I mean? And I could read multiple books at once.
And, you know,

Speaker 2 I was completely enthralled with reading. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just the idea of being able to take myself into a different place, you know, it was like, and it really, i mean words would really just fuel for your imagination it's like that's how you would get your head going you know right but i didn't

Speaker 2 i didn't want to use my imagination i wanted this imagination you say oh you wanted the information i wanted to know what

Speaker 2 Huckleberry Finn and I wanted to know what they were doing like you know what I mean like I wanted the adventures you know what I mean like I was reading everything Nancy drew drew mysteries like every like anything i could get my hands on the hardy boys like i'm i'm reading

Speaker 2 that and

Speaker 2 yeah so so many different stories that um

Speaker 2 you get you start understanding what it takes to

Speaker 2 for someone to be a winner in life you know and you find out from reading thousands of books that

Speaker 2 if you can list the fucked up things that have happened in your life and you can put that on a list and you've somehow made it past all of this

Speaker 2 to be in a position where you can still go make some stuff happen

Speaker 2 that's what you have in common with every hero of every story of every autobiography of every

Speaker 2 wow is that yeah is how much happened to you that should have broke you that did not break you so that you were able to then fucking ride

Speaker 1 amen amen

Speaker 1 did did y'all um

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to think of some of my favorite books when I was a kid. I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 When I was young,

Speaker 1 where the red fern grow, we had to read all kinds of shit. They had one book that kept killing this dog in it.
I felt so bad for him.

Speaker 2 How many times can you kill a dog?

Speaker 1 I mean, they kept, that thing was fucking really dead.

Speaker 2 I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 I don't know who wrote that bitch, but I think Stephen King wrote it.

Speaker 2 That bitch was dead, bro.

Speaker 1 After the second chapter, I said, this bitch is dead.

Speaker 2 I think I only read one book he ever did because like because i couldn't i couldn't read his books without going hey dude whoever writes like this is a demon like

Speaker 2 and then when he always had his picture on the back and he looked scary like oh uh uh

Speaker 1 Yeah, he looked like he owned a bunch of ravens or something. That dude, yeah, everybody, he had one book that and the animals was kept being alive and dead.

Speaker 2 Edgar Allan Poe was, that was a gangster, too.

Speaker 2 He saw many women, too.

Speaker 1 Bring up some of his ladies he had. Edgar Allan Poe's girlfriend.

Speaker 1 He had a flock at the end. You know, I think he used to live in Virginia.
You know that?

Speaker 1 Edgar Allan Poe, click on a couple of his dimes he had.

Speaker 2 Look at these broads right here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just click on one of them. Damn.

Speaker 2 Edgar Allan Poe. Right there, baby.

Speaker 1 You tell him, oh,

Speaker 1 shorty won a thing.

Speaker 2 He was a clear pedophile. Come on, man.

Speaker 2 He was a clear pedophile.

Speaker 2 She looks nine.

Speaker 2 Hey, brother, it says

Speaker 2 she

Speaker 2 died when she was 24.

Speaker 1 She had tuberculosis, boy, but before he was.

Speaker 2 That's how he liked him. That's how he liked him, boy.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Now she's kidding.

Speaker 2 Oh, she's right there, Frances, baby.

Speaker 1 That was foster mother, whatever.

Speaker 2 Damn, bro.

Speaker 1 Why are you fucking helping me out?

Speaker 2 Fire.

Speaker 2 These were supposed to be his hoes. This is his family members.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 1 Our research department. Now, what about right there, Virginia Clem, baby?

Speaker 1 That's a girlfriend.

Speaker 2 Right. And that was the

Speaker 2 I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Even today,

Speaker 2 that's heavy filters.

Speaker 2 That was her looking good in any age, right there. That particular pose.

Speaker 2 Okay, I admit that. You had to be a virgin to show that much next.
She was like, no one has ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, pretty good. But what about her, though?

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Let me see.
Sarah Helen Whitman, a professional writer who met Edgar through the literary circles in New York.

Speaker 2 Fallatio. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Otherworldly.

Speaker 2 That's the original hawk tour.

Speaker 2 Sarah Helen Whitman.

Speaker 2 She get those curls going.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're gonna love it.

Speaker 1 Bounce, bounce, bounce.

Speaker 2 Milk it, Sarah. Milk it.

Speaker 1 She'll slurp you back to Saturn right there, man.

Speaker 2 And then just...

Speaker 2 Wait a minute. Why did Zuckerberg come?

Speaker 2 Oh, geez.

Speaker 1 I don't know why they brought him up.

Speaker 2 You have genius here.

Speaker 1 Oh, we have the new hair. Yeah, he has a new hair.

Speaker 1 What do you think about a lot of these social media sites controlling how people communicate?

Speaker 1 What do you think about that, man?

Speaker 1 You fear that kind of stuff?

Speaker 2 If it exists, it will be controlled and regulated.

Speaker 1 That's just a fact.

Speaker 2 Whatever it is, that's the game. The game is to how quick can we get this new thing controlled and regulated, right?

Speaker 2 And we are counting on them to provide this platform that we use to communicate on, right?

Speaker 2 So, you know.

Speaker 1 So it's a trade-off.

Speaker 2 Always has been.

Speaker 2 I'm saying the

Speaker 2 if if we understood that the

Speaker 2 Internet itself is a government function, then

Speaker 2 how much privacy would you expect? Right.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 At that point, we're almost the fools for pretending that we would still have it, privacy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right.
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like in Hollywood that there are

Speaker 1 You know, I've heard you kind of allude to the fact that there's like kind of darker forces that kind of like

Speaker 1 you know, uh

Speaker 1 that present opportunities to people

Speaker 1 in trade-off, right? In trade for their own,

Speaker 1 maybe their own peace, maybe their own

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 1 reality, maybe a sacrifice of their actual direction that they want. Do you think that really happens, that kind of stuff?

Speaker 2 I think everything is controlled and regulated.

Speaker 1 You think there's ever ways where we can get to the control room and see who's controlling, or you think that's all

Speaker 2 we're past that.

Speaker 2 We're past that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 We don't protect the whistleblower,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 We don't honor the scout

Speaker 2 that would tell us

Speaker 2 who it is.

Speaker 2 Matter of fact, when they get him, we're going to go, oh, I could have told you that was going to happen. They're telling too much truth.

Speaker 1 Do you think Hollywood has a lot of things that they like hold against people, you know?

Speaker 2 Like, I had a theory that a lot of this is human nature.

Speaker 1 Right, so it's not even Hollywood, it's just human nature.

Speaker 2 It starts as human nature, right? Like, I'm saying this is in this

Speaker 2 these things that I'm saying

Speaker 2 in Hollywood exist in religion circles, in politics, in the medical profession, and like,

Speaker 1 yeah, in any circle of business, really,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 They had a big bust with Puff Diddy where he got arrested. And then they've had like accusations and stuff.
He hasn't gone on trial, I don't think yet. But

Speaker 1 do you think that they, there's been speculation that they did that because they the timing of that was they wanted to

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 use other people that have allegedly been involved in some of his circles to

Speaker 1 they wanted to kind of use,

Speaker 1 like, okay, you could be next unless you help this political plan.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's at all possible?

Speaker 2 That's how all cases are handled. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 2 So, what am I saying? I'm saying if it's

Speaker 2 car theft and we're going to accuse you of having a carjacking ring, right?

Speaker 2 We're going to begin by bringing in

Speaker 2 people that we caught

Speaker 2 who were robbing cars, who said that you were the boss there first in line.

Speaker 2 And then we're going to bring in victims, the people whose cars you stole and said, yeah, that was him.

Speaker 2 That's how they build a case. So

Speaker 2 none of that should be shocking.

Speaker 1 You don't put it past them?

Speaker 2 It's It's part of what an investigation is.

Speaker 1 But do you feel like they would say to someone, okay, we're going to bring you in unless

Speaker 2 absolutely, that's what they do. Yeah.
Yeah. Even like in the rap world, like all of the rappers that you know that never been to jail and never

Speaker 2 got in any trouble with the law, but they talk as if their life is opposite of that. Like, those are federal informants.
Like, you know.

Speaker 1 You think they're really out there?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's part of the job is to acquire those.

Speaker 2 It's like saying, you know, if you're playing chess, do you have any pawns? You have to, don't you? You can't start without them. Right.
Right. Wow.
Right.

Speaker 1 Man, how do you know who is

Speaker 1 that's part of the game, huh? You don't know.

Speaker 2 It's part of the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it kind of makes it exciting, too, when you think about it.

Speaker 2 It can be exciting and depressing.

Speaker 1 Did you ever do a rap album?

Speaker 2 Yep. You did? Several.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that. I'm sorry, man.
I didn't research that.

Speaker 2 No problem. I didn't put them out.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 You asked me, did I do them? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you have some collabs on him with anybody? Did you have somebody help you produce some stuff?

Speaker 1 Master P, maybe anything like that?

Speaker 2 Sure, he would be honored that of all people, you name-dropped him.

Speaker 1 I'm just thinking of somebody from Louisiana.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 What a blessing.

Speaker 1 When I was in college, he used to, they had,

Speaker 1 it was like master, it was like silk, the chakra, like that whole cabal was really, really vibing, right? Yes. So they used to have, they would all come to LSU and play at the basketball courts.

Speaker 1 And they would have these guys

Speaker 1 who would stand on the side and hold their clothes. And they were dressed like kind of.
Native Americans, like almost like black Indians kind of.

Speaker 1 And some of them would have on like little headdresses and stuff and they would have them all holding their clothes and shoes on the side of the court. It was a vibe, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 all through that period of time, that whole no limit

Speaker 2 empire was

Speaker 2 really, really magnificent to the fan base. Like they really went the places where people wanted to

Speaker 2 see them and delivered a show like we weren't used to

Speaker 2 Because there was so many acts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they had a lot of the whole group, You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like there was, they had

Speaker 2 they all came together and like

Speaker 2 put on a show that was just unbelievable in all venues. It was extraordinary to watch.

Speaker 1 Do you ever tour with a

Speaker 1 rap? Did you ever, because some of them do they'll have like musicians and rappers kind of or musicians and comedians tour together?

Speaker 2 Yeah. You have

Speaker 1 I just didn't know some people like that, some people don't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I I have Lil Mo on

Speaker 2 has been on our tour probably for the last three or four years and

Speaker 2 The Lady of Rage as well comes out. Music is a wonderful partner to

Speaker 2 comedy, you know, and

Speaker 2 we try to

Speaker 2 use that. Music and comedy are interspersed in my life, so it's always a part of my set.
And

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm a huge music fan.

Speaker 1 Are you an instrumentalist? You play anything?

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 No, I play nothing and I cannot sing.

Speaker 2 Can't sing, can't play anything, which makes me one of the greatest music listeners.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, that's what I like, and I like immerse myself, you know, like, like, there's

Speaker 2 like albums that represent like whole periods of my life. You know what I mean? Like, um,

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 the album, Counting Crows, um,

Speaker 2 August, and oh, yeah, everything after.

Speaker 1 Done up in New Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 Like, I know every song, every beat, every word, like,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 of where I was at the time, and then Pearl Jams.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 10. At home drawing pictures of Mountain Tufts.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 With him on top.

Speaker 2 Like, you know what I'm saying? Because I was listening to this stuff that it made me feel like

Speaker 2 they're really singing about me. Yeah.
Like.

Speaker 1 How I think or feel some moment.

Speaker 2 All of it. Like.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Remember Shy? Remember that group came out?

Speaker 2 And if I

Speaker 2 ever fall.

Speaker 2 remember them I can't sing you do you did pretty good thank you bro appreciate they would be proud they were good bro they were they were good but that was a great time for music of all genres you know what I mean like good music was just good music yeah

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 1 yeah I remember one of the trying to think of one of the first oh I went to a guy

Speaker 2 Green Day. You're going to make a great black guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And they had Tevin Campbell.
Remember him?

Speaker 2 Can we talk?

Speaker 2 Right. For a minute.
Tevin Campbell.

Speaker 2 Girl, I want to know your name.

Speaker 1 I'm like, well, fucking just go talk to her then.

Speaker 2 No, like, tell the truth. When we saw him and we heard this song, we were like,

Speaker 2 are you sure you want to talk to her? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 No wonder you're so trepid.

Speaker 2 That's true.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's true.
That's true.

Speaker 2 He really had a new friend.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 The sequel to that song was a surprise.

Speaker 1 We'll just say like that, man. The sequel was a surprise.

Speaker 2 That was a good time, though.

Speaker 1 That was a good time.

Speaker 2 It was a good time. When was that?

Speaker 1 That was late 90s, I think. Did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson before?

Speaker 2 No, I got to meet Prince. You did? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you ever get to go bike riding with him or anything like that?

Speaker 2 Who's that? Prince.

Speaker 2 I think bike riding may

Speaker 2 been the only thing we...

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, no, no. I don't.
He wasn't doing bike riding.

Speaker 2 He had had an experience. Let's see.
So when I meet him, I'm 12. I guess he's 18, 19.

Speaker 1 Oh, you met him when you were 12?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I knew him. I knew him my whole, I'm saying from 12 till he

Speaker 2 left, that was like I knew him the whole time. Like, yeah, he was a magnificent,

Speaker 2 one-of-a-kind individual. Like, I got to,

Speaker 2 he, um,

Speaker 2 He lived

Speaker 2 different lives. Like, he wasn't where we are and we're talking about how we need to, you know,

Speaker 2 reinvent. And

Speaker 2 he was like the master at that. You know what I mean? Like he was only

Speaker 2 going to be this version of himself for a very short amount of time until he had mastered it and then he was going to go to something else.

Speaker 1 He always had that energy, huh?

Speaker 2 Yeah, from the, yeah. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 yeah, but but when I met him, he was already a millionaire, and so I

Speaker 2 couldn't initially understand

Speaker 2 what kept driving him, you know, because it just seemed to me like he was never happy.

Speaker 2 Because every time I would see him, he had achieved like 30 new things and had purchased like a hundred new things. And

Speaker 2 still yet, he was working like he didn't, you know. Yeah,

Speaker 2 and um,

Speaker 2 I probably was just not understanding what work ethic was, you know. But yeah, I learned a lot from that guy.
I met Shaq when I was 16.

Speaker 1 Damn, where at, you think?

Speaker 2 I know where in Orlando is rookie year,

Speaker 1 yeah, because he played at LSU, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, great guy,

Speaker 2 great guy, Shaq, yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, if I was that big, I couldn't get my big ass out of bed at that size, right?

Speaker 1 It'd be so hard to, you know, hard, because sometimes it's kind of hard at even a regular size to get to the bottom of the bus.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna get to lay that.

Speaker 1 Dude, you know how hard it is to get a big old? Look at it right there.

Speaker 1 It's so hard to get up when you're big.

Speaker 1 Right. I watch my aunt get up sometime, like, she ain't gonna get up.

Speaker 1 Do what I'm talking about? You ever ever see

Speaker 1 somebody, and you're like, she ain't gonna get up.

Speaker 2 That's when.

Speaker 1 And they figure it out.

Speaker 2 When all of the places were catching on fire, that was my first thought was like,

Speaker 2 nobody on my 600-pound life is gonna

Speaker 2 make it out of none of this. Like, what? Like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that show is over, bro.

Speaker 2 Like, there's a whole portion of the population that can't get up. Yeah,

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 everybody's like, evacuate.

Speaker 2 Somebody just shit in the bed.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 2 I did evacuate.

Speaker 1 They evacuate. They just look the other way.

Speaker 2 That's their evacuate.

Speaker 2 Just lean away from the warm.

Speaker 2 Flip the pillow. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you uh

Speaker 1 what did you and Prince do? Do y'all ever go to eat or nothing? Like what did he like to do?

Speaker 2 Because he's a so it no, so like

Speaker 2 you know how some people have chefs?

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 he was beyond that. Like he he wanted

Speaker 2 he he wanted

Speaker 2 chef a chef to know

Speaker 2 what he was preparing. Like,

Speaker 2 I don't know how to explain it, but like,

Speaker 2 he wasn't vegan the whole time I knew him, you know.

Speaker 2 He was just vegan for this portion. And, but before that, he had a whole different thing, but he was, he would have an Italian chef to make Italian when that's what he was having.
And he, like,

Speaker 2 to the extreme.

Speaker 2 Right, yeah.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 you know, you would get the most beautiful meals around this dude because he was a foodie. So, you know, damn.

Speaker 1 I'd love to watch him

Speaker 1 eat a little snack or something, a little

Speaker 1 creme brulee or a little big scoop of ice cream. I'd love to see that.
Because he was kind of smaller, wasn't he?

Speaker 2 I'm 5'5, so

Speaker 2 it never really factored in.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're bigger than him, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I'm saying I wasn't gazing at him while he was eating it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sorry, yeah. Yeah, we always had enough women around.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I wasn't there in a longing fashion.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sorry. Somehow I just like to watch a small person if they get up against like a real hard scoop of ice cream.
They fucking can't handle that bitch, you know?

Speaker 2 No, no, I

Speaker 2 didn't get it, yeah. Give rewind that again, guys.

Speaker 2 Somehow, I missed that, and I can't accept it.

Speaker 1 No, I know, I just sometimes, if somebody, you know, I know, like, if I get up, if it's a real cold scoop of ice cream and it's it's hard to, you know, get with a spoon or something, I just imagine like a smaller guy battling that, uh, battling that bitch, bro.

Speaker 2 I just

Speaker 2 oh shit.

Speaker 2 So, that's why you acknowledge how funny that was.

Speaker 2 I just want to envision in my head, Prince. Just got two or three spoons going on that bit.
He's going to get in there. He'd have whooped your ass.

Speaker 2 He probably would have.

Speaker 1 And blessings, man.

Speaker 2 I had to pull him off.

Speaker 1 Man, he's a purple superhero, and he is the king, man.

Speaker 2 In real life.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm just joking, Prince, if your spirit is here. I'm sure it is somewhere.

Speaker 2 It is indeed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he had a great sense of humor oh i saw him stop in i was in minneapolis they used to have this place called uh

Speaker 2 trying to think of the name and he got more pussy than you did he

Speaker 1 yeah oh yeah of course he did what the fuck am i talking about it took me half a second to realize that uh yeah of course he did

Speaker 2 damn boy

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, no, they had a place, though, that he would go perform sometimes on a certain night.

Speaker 1 It was in Minneapolis, and a lot of musicians would just show up, and one night he showed up there, man, and it was amazing. It was just random people would get together and play.

Speaker 2 No, he loved that probably more than

Speaker 2 anything else. Like, he loved that more than touring.
He loved that more than anything is

Speaker 2 jam sessions. And

Speaker 2 he had places all over the globe, and

Speaker 2 he was welcomed. I'm saying, you're talking about a guy that played 26 instruments.
You feel what I'm saying? Like, we're we're talking about a guy that,

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 most people,

Speaker 2 if you couldn't learn from

Speaker 2 what

Speaker 2 he did, then you just pass learning. You know what I mean? Like, the shit resonates

Speaker 2 regardless of what it is you're trying to do. Right.
And so, yeah, I was blessed to

Speaker 1 even be around him, huh?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah, just to be able to witness

Speaker 2 a short,

Speaker 2 young

Speaker 2 black guy

Speaker 2 navigate the

Speaker 2 highest echelons of entertainment and still be

Speaker 2 holding on to things that he doesn't do and won't do

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 still

Speaker 2 feeling like he needs to look out for other musicians and other artists and still

Speaker 2 trying not to bring

Speaker 2 shame on his fans or

Speaker 2 other black people or

Speaker 2 music lovers or you know just a

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 a wonderful human you know

Speaker 1 that's what you can learn shit now i feel bad about making that joke, but I feel okay still. I mean, I feel you should.
It's okay. Yeah, I'm just joking.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 did

Speaker 1 when you were growing up, did you ever have like a TV, like a TV father kind of, you know, like I had, like, I'm trying to think of like, just trying to think of like influences that you had when you were young.

Speaker 1 Like I had like Little House on the Prairie was a show I would watch that they had. Michael Landon was on it.
And then they had like in the heat of the night. I really like that show um

Speaker 2 now wait a minute

Speaker 2 i'm trying who was the father figure on in the heat of the night oh was the black guy your father figure oh virgil tibbs virgil tibbs yeah brother he was good i will tell you this i met his wife at a uh or not his wife but um the lady that played this yes that's her right there virgil and sophia was his wife in the show i think she was way smaller than you thought right she was very beautiful.

Speaker 1 And I saw her at a breakfast place, and I was like, I cannot go back in there and tell her. And I did.
And it was, she, I think she kind of appreciated it, but it was still pretty awkward, I think.

Speaker 1 But she's very beautiful. But yeah, I liked Tammy and Carol O'Connor was in it.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 in the heat,

Speaker 2 out of my heat.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 That shit was good. I love that.
What else did I like?

Speaker 1 Trying to think of a show where I had like a TV dad. Did you have like a TV family or someone that you kind of liked?

Speaker 2 As a black man,

Speaker 2 I had a real father.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I wasn't looking at TV for the images of a real

Speaker 2 good black father because I had one. You know what I mean? So for me, it was

Speaker 2 a little

Speaker 2 interesting just to see how

Speaker 2 other fathers were portrayed, you know? And

Speaker 2 I more enjoyed like seeing the dynamics of other families and how

Speaker 2 things went for them because that's the only way that I knew, oh,

Speaker 2 I don't have that type of upbringing at all. Wow, that's,

Speaker 2 yeah, like, yeah.

Speaker 2 I didn't even know my mother was supposed supposed to love me. Like, I didn't know that was

Speaker 2 sorry to laugh, man.

Speaker 2 She's never kissed me in my life.

Speaker 2 I didn't know she was supposed to like me.

Speaker 2 Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 She made sure I ate.

Speaker 2 I had clean clothes.

Speaker 2 But I'm saying I didn't.

Speaker 1 It would have been shocking.

Speaker 1 Oh, my mom was always working. I would be like, mom, tell me you love me.
She'd be like, I got to move this box over here.

Speaker 2 That's what she would be like.

Speaker 2 I'm like, mom, how do you feel about me?

Speaker 1 She's like, oh, we got to put all these boxes away. She always had something to do, you know? Like, if a feeling came up, my mom just couldn't have it, you know? No, Joe, I love you, mom.

Speaker 1 I'm just, it's funny. Now it's funny.

Speaker 2 Right. But now you can.

Speaker 2 Yeah, shit was ridiculous though.

Speaker 2 I was like, mom, how do you feel about me?

Speaker 1 She's like, we got to get this car to start.

Speaker 2 I'm Like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's a vacuum.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was it. That's what I think

Speaker 1 that's what I always was looking for for me.

Speaker 2 But these are the things that guarantee success. That's what I'm telling you.
Yeah. It's part of what's on that list that, you know,

Speaker 2 you've got certain things

Speaker 2 against you.

Speaker 2 You're going to be successful. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You're going to be in a position where you can

Speaker 2 rectify things.

Speaker 2 You know that

Speaker 2 you're way more appreciative of love

Speaker 2 because of that.

Speaker 2 You're in a position where you can still be loved, you know, by the black lady at the airport. Yeah.

Speaker 2 2025.

Speaker 1 My little layover lady.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm going to call her.

Speaker 1 My little layover.

Speaker 1 I've seen you. This is something that I thought.

Speaker 1 There's only two things that I think that I've seen, and I'm not sure. One of them was that Santa Claus, when I was a kid, that they brought us outside and they had a real sleigh go by in the air.

Speaker 1 It was an airplane that they disguised as a sleigh in our town.

Speaker 1 The second one is, I thought I saw you riding bikes down Sunset Boulevard.

Speaker 2 Right. So now the funniest part of all of that

Speaker 2 is because all of your stories are true, right?

Speaker 2 But the whole thing is

Speaker 2 when you're telling this story, we ride by on these bikes with lights on them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like from the future.

Speaker 2 Circus members. But really,

Speaker 2 really, this is a million and a half dollars worth of Can-AM spiders.

Speaker 2 Eight of them,

Speaker 2 200,000 apiece. Me and Sug

Speaker 2 going down sunset.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I didn't see those, man. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 I saw some bitches. Somebody covered them bitches.
Cat Williams came by with a Shetland pony. He had neon lights on the hooves.
Somebody spray-painted silly string on the back

Speaker 2 with a violin. Stuck playing it.

Speaker 2 Do you want to leave?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I swear to God, I'm standing on the porch. I look over there.
Right.

Speaker 1 And you had done one of those things where you stand up, but keep, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know, when you're riding down the street.

Speaker 2 I'm 5'5, so I do that better than most.

Speaker 1 And I said, damn, there he goes, bro.

Speaker 1 And by the time I got anybody's attention, nobody believed me. So that's why I think it had a lot of that same, like, when you saw Santa, you know, type of energy.
Right.

Speaker 2 Well, understand, I didn't take away from the myth. I just clarified.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, good.

Speaker 1 Because I thought I was crazy for thinking that.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Um, what do you see happening in 2025, Kat? This is where we get to where, like,

Speaker 1 what do you feel like? What do you feel like are things we can look forward to, things we can stay conscious of?

Speaker 1 Can I bump another cigarette by chance, man?

Speaker 2 You got a mushroom on you? Absolutely. Let's do it.
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 Let me get that bitch. Get my lungs up.

Speaker 2 We're already in 2025, aren't we? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So.

Speaker 1 You're right already.

Speaker 2 Yeah. See there?

Speaker 2 So the whole thing is, we're not

Speaker 2 this, this, this

Speaker 2 thing does not happen in yearly cycles. Like, it's not an every 12 months thing.
It's not how it works. So

Speaker 2 the age of truth is not one year.

Speaker 2 It's the beginning of people having more of a thirst

Speaker 2 for

Speaker 2 what is true

Speaker 2 than

Speaker 2 an appetite for lies.

Speaker 2 So if you sell lies,

Speaker 2 it's a harder road for you.

Speaker 2 If you have truths to tell, people are hungry for that and they'll pay you handsomely to hear the truth. It wasn't always that way.
It's that way right now in real time.

Speaker 2 Whatever that means to you,

Speaker 2 that's the battle that's going on: is people who profit from the manipulation of others by getting you to believe something that's not the case. And that's how they make their living.

Speaker 2 And it is now a difficult time for those entities.

Speaker 1 Do you think that there is actual cloning going on?

Speaker 2 We have, we know that there's actual cloning going on.

Speaker 2 The question I believe you're asking is human cloning.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 But let's start with the real question. The real question is, is cloning going on? Yeah.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 I knew it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm saying, let's just say animal cloning. Oh, right.
Yes. Let's start there.

Speaker 2 That's not a myth or...

Speaker 1 No, that's been a...

Speaker 2 That's not a conspiracy theory that we are at the point where we have no problem cloning animals. If you lose a pet, you can send away to these companies and they will.

Speaker 1 They'll fucking remix that bitch and send it back.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.
At as close a proximity as you can imagine. Yeah.
Right? That we know is possible. Okay.

Speaker 2 So now

Speaker 1 Viagin pets, right there.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that's in the animal world. So now in the human world, we know that

Speaker 2 there are multiple surgeries that we know we can replace this with

Speaker 2 that.

Speaker 2 All the way up to

Speaker 2 what's our last achievement? Is it

Speaker 2 heart?

Speaker 2 The guy passed away with a pig heart,

Speaker 2 but it worked for I'm saying. Let me see that.

Speaker 1 Bring up that pig-hearted guy

Speaker 1 right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, two

Speaker 1 people have received a genetically modified pig heart transplant, David Bennett and Lawrence Faucet.

Speaker 1 Both were performed in Maryland.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 there's not

Speaker 1 the evidence is there

Speaker 2 very much left

Speaker 2 on what it would take as far as abilities go.

Speaker 1 So do you think there's any artists now that you think are not the same artists that we thought they were?

Speaker 2 If we're only speaking of biology, I've heard that

Speaker 2 a man's G-spot is in his anal passage, which means I'm gonna go my whole life without ever experiencing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 by the same token,

Speaker 2 everybody is a reflection of what they got to go through to get to where they're at, right?

Speaker 2 And I just know that

Speaker 2 the people that have been in positions where they decided to do some stuff that they said they weren't gonna do they don't be the same on the other side

Speaker 2 nothing they can do can make them seem like

Speaker 2 what you remember them as

Speaker 2 I call it spiritual because I don't know what else to call it but yeah

Speaker 1 have you ever faced

Speaker 1 that in your own life where they where people try to come at you for offers like that? Do you think that like stars and

Speaker 1 get offered that kind of thing?

Speaker 1 Like to compromise themselves sexually for entertainment?

Speaker 2 Again, the things that we are discussing exist in each of the fields.

Speaker 2 Right. Any field.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 2 Not entertainment exclusively.

Speaker 2 Politics, religion, science,

Speaker 2 everywhere, right? Some of this is human nature,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 Because we listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 1 Were there things that you didn't take in your career that you feel like were

Speaker 1 like uh like are there things to look out for? Do you feel like? Like

Speaker 2 there wasn't for me because I knew I wasn't gonna take it, but I did want to get offered. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And most of the stuff I wouldn't have believed until I had to get to a certain level to get to see the proof, you know what I mean? So

Speaker 2 I was as shocked as anybody about

Speaker 2 how powerful Harvey Weinstein was at the time that that I was meeting with him and

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 2 I had how he

Speaker 2 could not be told no

Speaker 2 that he get whatever he want.

Speaker 1 You follow I'm saying to figure out some way, right?

Speaker 2 So I thought that didn't apply to me because I don't care about nothing but

Speaker 2 bitches in good business, right? And then he offered me two actresses like they was playing cards. And I was like, what?

Speaker 1 Like, he just jumped to the head.

Speaker 2 He was like, I know you.

Speaker 2 Damn. Right.
Like, what?

Speaker 1 Some aces.

Speaker 2 No, my personal aces. Yeah.
Did you think about it?

Speaker 2 Look, I'm not

Speaker 2 in these scary situations. I don't even leave it up to me.
Like, I'm going to do what the superhero would do

Speaker 2 in this part of the movie, regardless, and

Speaker 2 deal with what happens after. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just because it's a story, and I know it's a story. It's my story.
You know what I mean? So I can't.

Speaker 1 That's a good way to think about things in general. Yeah.
What would the superhero do right now?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, because I'm saying,

Speaker 2 I read about jesus getting to the mountaintop and

Speaker 2 the devil saying you can have all of this and him

Speaker 2 saying you don't have anything to offer me like you know what i mean so that's what i got to look up to so

Speaker 2 i'm gonna follow suit in the best version i can regardless of

Speaker 2 anything else

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 1 do you have a comedian that passed away away that you really like that you miss a lot

Speaker 1 i mean i know there's been a lot of them

Speaker 2 but did you have like a scary say i miss so many like did you have like a brother in comedy like

Speaker 1 i miss so many i i like what was bernie mac like was he a super guy oh my god because i never seen anybody like him

Speaker 2 That's a great place to start. No,

Speaker 2 you never saw anybody like him just because there wasn't anybody like him. You know what I mean? Like

Speaker 2 the things people pretend to do and talk themselves up to be and

Speaker 2 he was that

Speaker 2 already.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I um

Speaker 2 I went down to his show when he was taping

Speaker 2 and they were saying he wasn't feeling good.

Speaker 2 And I left there feeling like

Speaker 2 they're murdering this dude. Like,

Speaker 2 he had a lung problem, right? And the doctors told him that he just had to take time away from the show

Speaker 2 and he could come back when he was okay, right?

Speaker 2 And his contract wouldn't let him. Oh, yeah.
And they made him work through, like.

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah. But

Speaker 2 I miss all of the comedy angels that I came in contact with from

Speaker 2 Charlie Murphy to

Speaker 2 Heavy D. I miss Heavy D,

Speaker 2 John Witherspoon. Yeah, you know, like

Speaker 2 we lost some really great comics. I miss Ronaldo Ray.
I miss,

Speaker 2 yeah, it's been a lot.

Speaker 1 Bring up a picture of Ronaldo Ray. I'm just not familiar with him, just so I can see what he looks like.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Didn't he play in the Cosby show? Was he the grandfather?

Speaker 2 He was a brilliant, brilliant

Speaker 2 individual. Like, he

Speaker 2 had

Speaker 2 multiple master's degrees and was an art collector and a real

Speaker 2 legendary guy, Reynoldo.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What other...

Speaker 1 What about Bill Cosby? Did you ever get to meet him or not?

Speaker 1 Before he had all the problems?

Speaker 2 Is being a rapist one of the problems?

Speaker 2 You said it like before he got scurvy.

Speaker 2 Sorry, bro.

Speaker 1 That was, yeah, that wasn't, that was, yeah, I did, um,

Speaker 2 but yeah, what was he like before that, man?

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know.
He

Speaker 2 Comedically,

Speaker 2 like, he has some works comedically that you could put up there in the pantheon of joke telling. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 He had so many albums when I was a kid that, like, our parents would play in the car, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 Right. And he spent a good portion of his

Speaker 2 televised career really making

Speaker 2 black men and black families look really good in a time when that was not a popular thing to do.

Speaker 2 None of that supersedes rapist. No.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 I was glad to not be a fan of his just because,

Speaker 2 you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we liked Richard Pryor and you had to kind of like

Speaker 2 which way are you? Are you Richard Pryor Red Fox or are you bill cosby yeah so

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 yeah that's that's definitely different then um

Speaker 1 what else is going on please don't have an r kelly question next i do not have an r kelly question no

Speaker 1 no i don't did you ever did you get to go to bernie mac's funeral did he have a big funeral

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 steve harvey was at his funeral so I wouldn't have been there anyway.

Speaker 1 Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What else? I'll be able to tell you when

Speaker 2 you're black. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm not doing that good right now on it.

Speaker 2 You're doing great. Okay.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Thanks, man.

Speaker 1 Did you get was it scary for you to be a parent whenever you decided you wanted to be a parent?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's yeah, that's one of those things where

Speaker 2 it's only looking back that you realize, oh, I was not

Speaker 2 in any way qualified for that job. Like, like, you know, but you try so hard, you know, and it means everything,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 yeah, it's, it's

Speaker 2 it's exciting and and scary.

Speaker 2 Like, you can't

Speaker 2 so you you

Speaker 2 you don't have a you don't have any kids. No, I want to get to I would like to have some children, but I well if you have one

Speaker 2 child,

Speaker 2 you're not gonna

Speaker 2 You're not gonna have the drug issue to deal with ever again. Really? Yeah, because it's going to

Speaker 2 you're not you can't do them both. Right.

Speaker 2 You can't do them both. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And if yeah, and if you as soon as you have and it does, it doesn't matter how you get this child.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 The second you become a father and

Speaker 2 this life is dependent upon you, like you're going to devote everything to that, and you're going to have to.

Speaker 2 You're going to have to. Because only somebody with your experiences will be able to deal with not being able to sleep for like two months.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Just

Speaker 2 on this baby schedule that has no schedule except,

Speaker 2 yeah, it's crazy. Life-changing doesn't even say the half of it.
But, you know, you have pets?

Speaker 2 See, this is the thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get started too.

Speaker 2 This is what's keeping you able to be in this world is because you've not given yourself a life responsibility. You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 I think that's why I became a community because I didn't want any responsibilities, really.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Right. In a lot of ways.
Right. I think there's a big part of me that starts to feel like, yeah, I'm missing out if I don't.

Speaker 1 If I'm missing out, but I just want to know, I want to have every experience I can, you know?

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 2 And you can, yeah.

Speaker 2 And this is the vehicle for that. You know what I mean? That's

Speaker 2 what a coincidence that all your life will line up for you to want to do that. And then to meet a girl at the airport.
that already loves to fly and travel

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 1 make sure I don't have any illegal substances on me, too, at the same time.

Speaker 2 Just because you're not going to need them.

Speaker 1 Are you a pet owner? Are you a big pet owner, man? I've heard that you got some animals over there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love the animals.

Speaker 1 I've heard you got a couple horses, things like that.

Speaker 2 They're great. Yeah.
Ducks. Like, I got.

Speaker 2 I got.

Speaker 1 How many ducks do you have, cat?

Speaker 2 Between 19 and 21.

Speaker 2 I just say that because a couple

Speaker 2 were there when I first got the place and they never left, right? So they're there, but everybody else we raise from eggs, you know, that you go down to, what's the name of that place?

Speaker 2 Tractor Supply.

Speaker 1 Oh, tractor supply. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You go to tractor supply.

Speaker 1 Oh, and the feed and seed shop?

Speaker 2 You do that, right? You do the incubators. Yeah.
So it's beautiful because they're all black. Oh, really? Yeah, good.

Speaker 1 We need more of that. We need everybody.

Speaker 2 Diversity in the duck world. Oh, hell yeah, dog.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of seeing these fucking swans, bro.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 These rich-ass long-necked motherfuckers, bro. No, we have geese, too.

Speaker 1 But I'm just saying, we need some fucking bangers in there, dog. You know, we need some dark ducks in this bitch.
Yeah, yeah. Or some,

Speaker 1 bring up a couple of black ducks, man. I would love to see those right now.
Because I'm used to seeing mallards I've seen for sure, but I've never seen some really good darker ducks.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a beautiful one right there.

Speaker 2 None of these are black ducks.

Speaker 1 Oh, sorry. Well, get one, but no, get one of them.

Speaker 2 There we go. Oh, that western black duck.

Speaker 1 That western black.

Speaker 2 That's an all-black duck. Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But mine are.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's fucking Mallard Luther King right there, bro.

Speaker 2 That thing dark as hell, dude.

Speaker 2 Sorry, bro.

Speaker 2 You're going to make a great black guy. Mallard Luther King.

Speaker 2 That could be his name.

Speaker 1 And that is actually a beautiful name for a duck.

Speaker 2 For that duck specifically. It is.
Mallard Luther the King.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you think, oh, some people think that guys like Martin Luther King were compromised by the CIA? Do you ever believe stuff like that?

Speaker 2 Well, this kind of goes back to.

Speaker 1 Like, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff about that, you know?

Speaker 2 Somebody says it's a conspiracy, but that doesn't make it the case.

Speaker 2 In both of these cases that we've had these conversations,

Speaker 2 we are talking about the FBI and the CIA.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 what do you think they do?

Speaker 2 So maybe we're unclear about

Speaker 2 what we think these agencies do. So now the question becomes, hey, do you think they be doing their job?

Speaker 2 I do.

Speaker 2 I do think they be doing their job.

Speaker 1 You mean all through history?

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes, I think they keep on doing their job.
You think they get everybody? I think they get everybody.

Speaker 2 So again,

Speaker 2 not conspiracy theory at all.

Speaker 2 I'm saying the only way that there there could be a FBI file for us to be able to get 30 years after his death is if there's a FBI file, correct? Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Damn, bro. Nobody could trust anybody.

Speaker 1 That's a scary part to me sometimes.

Speaker 2 The Bible said, do not put your trust in men.

Speaker 2 It's pretty specific.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 2 Because everybody can be compromised except you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you don't believe in God, then it's pretty messed up because now you only got you to believe in. But if you got you and God, you can believe in both of those.

Speaker 2 You can have peace then.

Speaker 1 Have you had times in your life where you struggled having God in your life, or what's that been like for you?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Do you have a practice that you use kind of to like

Speaker 1 one of my goals this year is to have more God in my life, right? So for me, I'm just using like more times where I stop and pray.

Speaker 1 Like even sometimes moments of my head will pop in, like you should hit your knees right now and pray. And sometimes I just don't do those.
I just go and keep doing about my day.

Speaker 1 But now when those hit me, I'm trying to just make sure I do that, you know, just like because it's like an intuition that I have, you know, just because I want to have a stronger practice.

Speaker 2 And understand, it's, it's

Speaker 2 the reason that

Speaker 2 it's special is because

Speaker 2 only you're going to know

Speaker 2 that it's working, right? There's going to be no evidence other than the evidence, but you're going to know that

Speaker 2 like I

Speaker 2 talk to God

Speaker 2 five and six times a day.

Speaker 2 He has an accurate account of how I'm feeling about everything, how I think things are going, what I feel like I'm doing good at, what I feel like I need help with.

Speaker 2 These are our conversations. So

Speaker 2 I don't wonder why stuff gets moved out of my way because I asked for things to be moved out of my way. Like

Speaker 2 you asked earlier, like, aren't you scared? Like, I'm not allowed to be scared because I'm not counting on me.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 you can't fuck me up because you're not allowed to fuck me up. And I've been in enough situations

Speaker 2 to know that.

Speaker 2 He ain't let me down yet. Like, every time I needed his safety, it was there.
Yeah. And will be.
And the more times you communicate,

Speaker 2 the better the relationship is. And then you'll find that that works with the black girl from the airport, too.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 communication is key.

Speaker 1 Oh, Lord, man.

Speaker 1 Literally, huh?

Speaker 2 You're perfect when you don't even try.

Speaker 1 I've heard you say that you feel like we're about to enter like a golden era.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, kind of, by that? Like, what if

Speaker 1 or what feelings do you have about that?

Speaker 1 And what can we look forward to?

Speaker 2 I was just trying to be

Speaker 2 super positive at the time. I wasn't trying to be actually accurate with the question.
Okay.

Speaker 2 The question was asked, I think, almost on New Year's or something like that, or Christmas, something like that. It was

Speaker 2 pretty close to the top of the year, so I didn't want to say anything that would make anybody

Speaker 2 uncomfortable or awkward.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the Bible has a book called Revelations, right?

Speaker 2 And it gives you this little metaphorical rundown of

Speaker 2 how things

Speaker 2 should go.

Speaker 1 Bring it up real quick, a Revelations.

Speaker 1 You can get a look at it.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 1 Book of Revelation or Book of the Apocalypse, the final book of the New Testament.

Speaker 2 Correct. So now

Speaker 2 it talks about the things that will happen in what's called the last days, right?

Speaker 2 Before the second coming of Jesus, right? Because my whole life I was just trying to figure out, like,

Speaker 2 whatever it would take for Jesus to come back,

Speaker 2 why aren't all of the people around the world that love Jesus, why aren't they making sure that happens? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So he would come back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Santa, they leave milk and cookies out.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? You think we would fucking

Speaker 2 leave out a couple of freaking. We're willing to go buy the presents ourselves and say you delivered them.

Speaker 1 Put some sacred snacks out for him or something.

Speaker 2 Right. So, you know,

Speaker 2 it just tells a story of the little

Speaker 2 key things that will happen that you can look forward to before

Speaker 2 things get there, right? And so it talks about things

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 all of the nations will have to come together and

Speaker 2 make a

Speaker 2 group called the United Nations, you know. And this was written way back then, and we have a United Nations now.
And it talks about there being wars and reports of wars

Speaker 2 in multiple places, and it

Speaker 2 gives us a little guideline just to you know what may be happening in the future.

Speaker 1 Like whenever Jesus comes back,

Speaker 1 where do you think it'll be at?

Speaker 2 Well, the Bible is generally pretty specific about places generally. So,

Speaker 2 like it talks about

Speaker 2 Armageddon, right?

Speaker 2 And there's this actual valley of Armageddon.

Speaker 2 I'm going to mispronounce it, but Armageddon. But the valley of Armageddon that's supposed to take place there is this valley that it's named after, which really exists.

Speaker 2 But wherever it is, he's going to bring it up. But

Speaker 2 there's probably a war there now,

Speaker 2 right? Right. So,

Speaker 2 here we are.

Speaker 1 The valley of Megiddo, also known as Jezreel Valley, is a large fertile plain in northern Israel. It's known for its historical, theological, and geographical significance.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of war going on right there, right now.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 2 So.

Speaker 1 TBD, huh?

Speaker 1 What are some of the other animals that you have there? I have heard that you have horses over there. Is that a true? Is that a true cut that you have some horses over there?

Speaker 2 The donkeys are the stars over there.

Speaker 2 But yeah, we got a lot of, yeah, we have

Speaker 2 cows. Mini cows.

Speaker 2 Those are the best kind. Mini cows and

Speaker 2 belly pigs.

Speaker 2 Probably about right there.

Speaker 1 A mini cow? Yeah. Bring up a mini cow real quick.
I want to see one of them. They're beautiful too.

Speaker 1 My sister has a picture of a couple of them at her house.

Speaker 2 Beautiful. Yeah, if we can find a white one, that'll be like cash.

Speaker 1 If you that's your name, Cash?

Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's cool. Wow.
And are those milkable?

Speaker 2 He's a boy, so I don't eat. Oh, damn.
Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 Not it.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Oh, look at that. So, you know, the blessing, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 He has no idea he's many.

Speaker 1 Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 Yeah, ours is bigger than that. But,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 The beautiful little one right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're

Speaker 2 really fun.

Speaker 1 And do you name that one named Cash? And what other name do you have for these animals?

Speaker 2 Well, all the animals, all the animals have

Speaker 2 names

Speaker 2 except animals that might be delicious. Like

Speaker 2 goat is like my favorite meat, I think.

Speaker 2 And so we have quite a few, you know. And are you eating goats? Not Billy.
He's the king of all the goats.

Speaker 1 Right, right. But you're having a little bit of goat.
How much goat are you having monthly, you think?

Speaker 2 Weekly. Oh, okay.
Man, okay.

Speaker 1 So Cat got him a little bit of money if he having that weekly goat meal.

Speaker 2 You know that, boy. I'm a cannibal, you know.
Yes, sir. Goat eat goat.

Speaker 1 Hey, man, goats eat goat.

Speaker 2 Right. I love that.

Speaker 2 He's making a little money. Sorry.

Speaker 1 I think sometimes I was just so, I was so nervous about who you are because you seem like such a like

Speaker 1 you almost seem like something that came down off of Mount Rushmore to spend time with us today. So I think that's like the

Speaker 1 mystique about you. So I think sometimes I don't know when it's like okay to joke around and stuff, you know, so you just try and figure it out as you go, you know?

Speaker 2 I hope that that is not correct and you're just saying that because it is always okay to joke around me.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that. I definitely feel that for sure more than other interviews.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of what else I want to ask you about.

Speaker 2 This is the best picture I ever got about it.

Speaker 1 Someone sent this and they said this is.

Speaker 1 Cat Williams talking to Cam Newton, somebody said.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And that's what I'm thinking, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 Everything, yeah, we know that stupid picture of me. Thanks, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, I didn't even see that. Can we take that down? That's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Very racist. You see how it became racist to me?

Speaker 2 No, but here's the facts. The facts are, you know, everything we know about history, we know

Speaker 2 because of artifacts, things that were left behind. You know what I mean? And so to be

Speaker 2 heavily into the culture in a way that is represented is um

Speaker 2 pretty cool it's a pretty big deal you know yeah

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 1 we should make one next year if we made one and we did made some made a charity for it or something that could be cool

Speaker 2 right but we would have to do

Speaker 2 you one too.

Speaker 2 So like there would have to be a Theo Vaughan as well.

Speaker 1 I mean, I would be happy to do that. Yours is really the

Speaker 1 one they're already using without your permission.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. They are already doing that.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 But maybe we'll try to find one. That'd be kind of a neat.
Maybe we could do something where we'd raise some money for something.

Speaker 2 I would love it. Yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, I'm all about that.
That's cool. We should do it for,

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 we should do it for

Speaker 2 autism. We should do it for people on the spectrum.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And do they have, and everybody has autism.

Speaker 1 They have all types of people with autism, yeah? Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would love to do that. That's a cool idea.
And do you, my last question for you, Kat, do you know any Native Americans you've ever met any over the years? What's that been like?

Speaker 2 Really cool.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 way more.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to figure out how to say it, but like.

Speaker 1 Because I've just heard these are some of these are just things that I've heard.

Speaker 2 When you

Speaker 2 I've met this tribe that

Speaker 2 several times I've met several tribes, but the whole thing is

Speaker 2 you get this thing

Speaker 2 around them

Speaker 2 that you understand

Speaker 2 that they've been standing here.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 there's,

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 you understand how difficult it is to carry legacies and stories, even though your people have been getting destroyed.

Speaker 2 And then, when it's all as bad as it could possibly be, and everything is destroyed of your whole legacy, then they give you unlimited money and have casinos.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 a mind-blowing thing to watch a people, a group of people still

Speaker 2 carry their legacy along. And

Speaker 2 that's what you get. And they know so much about so much.
Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And I'm an outdoor guy,

Speaker 2 and they know.

Speaker 2 Everything about everything.

Speaker 2 Like, fishing with them is like a whole different experience.

Speaker 1 They're whistling them bitches in the boat.

Speaker 2 They don't make no mistakes.

Speaker 2 Like that whole part where you don't catch fish, they don't know shit about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they catch them bitches and half of them cooked. They catching bitches.
They do it right.

Speaker 2 I want you to come out of the water boneless.

Speaker 2 Blaze.

Speaker 1 With outdoor stuff, have you ever done any like camping or anything like that?

Speaker 1 You ever done any long camps? Do you ever do like a plant medicine retreat or anything like that?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 but having a hundred-acre ranch, you start getting into trying to make sure you

Speaker 2 because first you have to figure out what you already have there. You know what I mean? Because I'm kind of, aren't you like close to Nashville? Yeah, yeah.
Right.

Speaker 2 So I'm out in Mississippi on this farm, you see. And so,

Speaker 2 you know, you're learning what's out there, and then you're trying to accentuate what's already out there. And

Speaker 2 because I think we probably got like

Speaker 2 300 deer, like, wow,

Speaker 1 and they just running around everywhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 the way progress worked, they kept getting pinned in.

Speaker 2 And then there was a golf course. And so they had a little safe area in between them.
And then

Speaker 2 when houses started going in,

Speaker 2 then it became neighborhood

Speaker 2 community. And now there's nowhere else for them to be.
And this particular area is where they all came to. So

Speaker 2 pretty wonderful.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could see you having like a cool pet and zoo or something one day if you wanted to and you're, you know, you ever quit or just wanted to have a peaceful animal type of or a

Speaker 1 safari,

Speaker 1 something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Cats, cats.
I'm never trying to do something that requires interaction. Like what I'm, what I'm doing is creating heaven on earth.
Yeah, right?

Speaker 2 So that means finding out all of the things that really make you jump for joy and excited and make you go, oh,

Speaker 2 and collecting those around yourself

Speaker 2 so that no matter what it is you have to deal with in the world, you can come back to this little heavenly environment that you have created.

Speaker 2 That's it. That fuels you, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the tour right there. Yeah.
Heaven on earth.

Speaker 2 As it turns out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Cat man, thank you so much for spending time with me today, man. Thanks for uh, yeah, thanks for just

Speaker 1 so many things, so many quotable moments from your life that uh you've shared with us. And um, yeah, it's an honor, bro.

Speaker 1 I really feel honored to be in your presence today and just, um, yeah, I can't even believe it. So, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Likewise. Now, I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be

Speaker 2 cornerstone

Speaker 2 Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones

Speaker 2 But it's gonna take

Speaker 2 a little bit