E541 BigXthaPlug

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Today's guest is a rapper out of Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 1 He has his new album, Take Care, which he's on tour with right now. He has hit songs, Texas, Whip It, Mm-hmm, and others.
We're grateful for his time. Today's guest is Big X, the plug.

Speaker 1 Where'd you just come from? From Tournament? I'm going to move this down on you with Touchbook.

Speaker 2 Where we just come from? Louisville, Kentucky. Oh, yeah.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 How was that? All right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was good. It was good.
Man, I didn't think.

Speaker 2 Was it sold out?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 But it was packed.

Speaker 2 95%. Yeah, it was crazy, though.

Speaker 1 They got a lot of horses up there, too.

Speaker 1 I've been to the horse track up there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was just going to say they do like derbies and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's nice. Some of the horses are strong.
Some of them aren't that strong.

Speaker 1 What else has been going on? Yeah, I was just up in Montana. We had some shows up there.
I met some Native Americans up there. Okay.
You ever met any Native Americans?

Speaker 2 Like a real life one? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. We met a couple up there.
They're pretty cool, man. We was up at,

Speaker 1 I met, we were at an auto zone up there, and they had a couple of Native Americans up there, and we met them.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 1 yeah, they're just wild. And they have a lot of good weed, too, a lot of times.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay, man. Yeah, I probably would have bumped into a few of them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I heard it's beautiful out there, Shabuza.
That's one of my close friends.

Speaker 2 And he was just out there shooting a video. And he was like, bro, I think I'm going to move out here.
It's crazy out here.

Speaker 1 He's so nice.

Speaker 2 I got to make sure I stop by there for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it looks like you're like on a nut, like, I mean, it looks like you're on this planet, but on it, just like on the best parts of it.

Speaker 1 You look out there, and they got all kind of exotic animals, too, out there.

Speaker 1 That's why I think, yeah, Native Americans have the best weed. I've always heard that.
I never gotten to smoke any with them. They got that shit that'll bring your dead relatives back.

Speaker 1 You know, they got that real,

Speaker 1 they got that suicide or gas on me.

Speaker 2 Do I want to smoke that?

Speaker 2 Do you want to bring your dead relatives back? Do you want to smoke that?

Speaker 1 That's true. I mean, I guess if you owe somebody some money, maybe you just let them be where they're at.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they had the best pets, too. Think about it.
Native Americans had the best pets, man. Falcon,

Speaker 2 buffalo,

Speaker 2 eagles. I'm scared of all that type of stuff.
Really? I'm scared of any animal that's from one bigger than me. So like horses, cows, I'm terrified of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 And then just eagles and all that stuff, like... You can't really do nothing about those.
So if they fly down and grab you and rip skin off, you can't do nothing to them.

Speaker 2 say you're nah

Speaker 2 I don't do bugs I don't do exotic lizards I don't do snakes I don't really I could see you with a nice bird man with a bird yeah I do have a bird my daughter's name her nickname is bird so that's as good as it gets I was terrified right there oh wow yeah I was terrified you see how far away I am from North Oh it is yeah yeah he kept your distance

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Did you even FaceTime with that thing first or they just brought him straight?

Speaker 2 No, they just brought it. They just brought it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that kind of stuff is a lot man horses make me nervous too they're just so big and you don't trust them you know exactly and i don't trust anything that only can see out of the side of its head that too that too you know that's how i really feel about a lot of animals but did you ever have any pets growing up uh yeah a lot of dogs oh yeah

Speaker 2 what kind of y'all have rott wallers right now i have a cane corso

Speaker 2 i have two pocket bullies got a frenchie

Speaker 2 but just yeah yeah yeah that actually looks just like my dog Sasha that's at the house right now with the white patches and everything.

Speaker 1 And does y'all have a chain on it?

Speaker 2 No. No,

Speaker 2 she's horrible. She's bad.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you even pet her or not?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, you can pet her or whatnot, but she just, if she don't know you, she's going to go crazy. Oh, God.
But once she's smaring you and she's good, then you locked in.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't even risk it. See, I get scared getting high around dangerous animals.
That's one of my big things.

Speaker 1 You know, I would have sometimes trouble smoking with the brothers when I was young because a lot of them would bring a dog with them.

Speaker 1 And if we got high, it was just made me too nervous, man. I had to get out of my own car and leave everybody in there one time.

Speaker 2 Damn.

Speaker 1 Because I couldn't handle it.

Speaker 2 Well, you might want to stay away from that weed in Montana.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I stay off that native stuff, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for joining us, bro.

Speaker 2 No, for sure. It's a blessing to be here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, congratulations on all your success, man.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you. It's exciting.
Yeah, I love listening to

Speaker 1 your songs.

Speaker 1 They all have this beginning that kind of creates this like

Speaker 1 it almost feels like it's a start of a movie. It's like before like you come in with the lyrics, it's like there's this

Speaker 1 each one has like this ambiance that gets going. Who makes that? How do y'all make that choice? Like, how does that happen?

Speaker 2 But I just, I've been with the same producer for about two, three years now, Ben Play,

Speaker 2 Tony Cole.

Speaker 2 And so we can kind of just know each other's like souls at this point. And so they just, you know, they go based off of what they feel like I would mess with in the song, and then they go from there.

Speaker 2 Tony, pick out the sample, man play do the 808, all the beatings on it, and

Speaker 2 it just go. They know I like, I'm a build-up person.
So that little, that beginning, that's my build-up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it almost feels kind of romantic in the beginning, some of them. Nah, for sure.

Speaker 2 Get you in the mood, get you ready, and make you want to hear what I'm about to say.

Speaker 2 The video with the skydiving, y'all really skydive in it no i would never skydive in my life really oh you can go down quick bungee jump

Speaker 2 i'm one of those people who believe in like

Speaker 2 i just feel like i would have a heart attack before i got here yeah yeah yeah you know i would faint or something so now i can't pull my stream so i'd just rather not do it i'd just rather not do it yeah yeah yeah i don't know why some people do it i wonder if they have a lot of Yeah, the video, that was so tough, man.

Speaker 1 How did y'all shoot it, though? Do you guys have like a fake chop or something?

Speaker 2 a fake plane a lot of air and great acting yeah anybody want me in the movie there you go

Speaker 1 yeah you could be in like a paratrooper movie man

Speaker 1 um and it don't look like i fell that fast it actually like i fell at a at a decent rate there you go there it went i i would drop fast right then it did seem like you were that because i was kind of when i was watching that because usually if people are really flying you see like their cheeks going like that and i was like man it seemed like he's kind of going at a casual speed

Speaker 1 but that's when you know you got, when you got a vibe, bro, when you can skydive at a casual speed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 When you can do it your own way.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's happening in Texas, man?

Speaker 2 Still hot.

Speaker 1 How has your life changed over there? Like, even in the past two years, probably.

Speaker 2 I mean, for me, it hasn't really changed. I still do the same daily stuff I would do if I was home.

Speaker 2 But of course, everybody know me now. So now instead of going to Walmart, I now have to do curbside pickups.
Now, you know, it's just stuff like that.

Speaker 2 But as far as me and my home and my family, ain't nothing really changed. We still,

Speaker 2 everybody kick it when we can. You know, if not, I'm at home with my kids, chilling.
You know, nothing too major. I don't, I'm as basic as it get.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't treat myself like a superstar or nothing like that.

Speaker 1 Does it feel overwhelming sometimes with people knowing you as much?

Speaker 1 Is it sometimes a little bit like, what is it like does it feel kind of like alarming sometimes does it feel like what you thought it would feel like because it's a lot of people don't get to become get to have that much popularity right it just so it's interesting when it does happen to somebody because it's just a rare thing yeah right i mean as far as like i was popular in school but then it's like After that era faded out, I started doing stuff that it's like you kind of don't want people to to know r like to know who you are.

Speaker 2 And now it's like, I gotta let people get this close to me before i know if they're friend or foe so of course it bother me but i mean it come with the come with the job so yeah i just gotta keep big guys like him around me so yes sir yeah

Speaker 1 yeah that's a good choice there and um

Speaker 1 and yeah is it more dangerous because i think like it's funny sometimes if you're just like a regular guy nobody will try to shoot you but then when you're a rapper people try to shoot you yeah yeah you you definitely and i it's just a lot of,

Speaker 2 you know, just like it's God in the world,

Speaker 2 it's devil, you know, it's the devil too, man. You know, the paths that some people decide to take, it's not always the right one.
So, you know, you just got to kind of be prepared for it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're a target because everybody feel like you got...

Speaker 2 All this money, all of this.

Speaker 2 People don't even know. Like, so a lot of these major artists, all they have is that chain and that watch.
I don't got no money, you know, so you just did what you did with that chain and a watch.

Speaker 2 Me, I try to treat everybody as equal. So, like, when a person walks up on me, I'm gonna give you that picture.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna talk to you as if you're a normal person because that's what makes somebody want to get you. When you, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 You know, you that's what set when you when you show them that separation, yeah, that's when they want what you do.

Speaker 1 When you're too fancy, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, for rappers, it just feels like dang, it just feels a little bit more dangerous, I feel like, you know.

Speaker 1 Like, do you have to keep like an EMT with like, like, do your

Speaker 1 people know CPR and your team and stuff like that or what is it like uh

Speaker 2 I ain't gonna lie fellas if I have if we get to that point don't y'all put y'all lips on me

Speaker 2 don't y'all put y'all lips on me y'all find the nearest woman and y'all teach y'all teach her how to do it but don't y'all put y'all lips on me right you have some girl sitting there watching a youtube yeah yeah i can't no i can't go through that so bro you ain't gonna feel it bro you're gonna be just

Speaker 2 but when i come to that's a question you gotta ask you know when you come come to and you say what happened so there's a there's gonna be that guy that's in the back of the room like

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 and i don't want to deal with that yeah that's true you're gonna have to look him in the eyes you have to you don't you don't know whether to say thank you or let's fight you know hey hey chill bro exactly exactly hey next time ask first and then my my partner so funny that they ain't gonna do nothing but make a joke about it I almost died and y'all talking about some, but y'all kids know who y'all kids.

Speaker 1 You alive, but you a little zested, nah.

Speaker 2 Just find the nearest woman, find the nearest woman for me. I don't care how old she is, just find the nearest woman, please.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I just wonder. I think I would keep if I was in the rapper, I would have somebody, bow and arrow, somebody with a couple

Speaker 1 choppers on them, everything, Dracos, everything, guns, fucking

Speaker 2 little ninja thing. Yeah, fucking

Speaker 2 hell, bro.

Speaker 1 Magic metal, fucking ninja stars, all of that shit, boy.

Speaker 2 I mean, you just, you know,

Speaker 2 you just pray for the big.

Speaker 1 Hex, I would have everything, bro. I'd have somebody just walking around look like they were in one of those video games where they have all the weapons behind them like that.

Speaker 2 Like when they get ready to go to war, they pack all of the weapons, but then they don't use none of them. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Well, even cops now, they got so many things on them. They got a taser.
They got a gun. They got a slingshot.
They got a pepper spray. They got a fucking, you know, a thing of marbles.

Speaker 1 They got all kind of shit on them, bro. You'll see.

Speaker 1 I've never never seen an officer with a bag of marble but they got they got so many things now bro he got a camera he get they got a little spatula um you know a thing of just breath mints dude he's just shooting mentos at people you know they got i don't even i couldn't even imagine running around with all that stuff on me now yeah no yeah they do they got to chase people there and a lot yeah it's crazy on top of the vest that's already yeah they're built like a 7-eleven and they got to run around and chase everybody down it's too much everybody would get away from me if i was the police

Speaker 2 I'll catch you eventually.

Speaker 1 Hey, I'll catch you in the future.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let me see you again.

Speaker 2 I couldn't. I wouldn't, you know.

Speaker 1 Did you? What was like a first job that you had, man?

Speaker 2 My first ever job was Taco Kabema. I was 16.
I was getting paid $7.

Speaker 2 I was supposed to get paid $7.25.

Speaker 2 But when I started working, my first day, he said, $7.25, no, you're too good of a worker. I pay you $7.50.
Really? And I just thought I was that guy.

Speaker 2 $7.50?

Speaker 2 That was my first ever check. My first check was like $200, two weeks' work.

Speaker 1 Bro, when you got that first check, it was nice, huh?

Speaker 2 No, I was so upset. It was like $200, $300.

Speaker 2 Oh. Two weeks of work.
Yeah, I was so mad. But I kept going.

Speaker 1 I kept going. And how long were you in over there at the Cabana?

Speaker 2 Maybe like a month, maybe a month and a half. Damn, you didn't keep going at all.

Speaker 2 I've never had a job over four or five months. Really?

Speaker 1 What was it about it, you think? Y'all have some, like, was it contractual issues? What was the deal over there?

Speaker 2 As bad as it sounds, it's just something about

Speaker 2 somebody telling me what to do. You know what I'm saying? Especially in that aspect, it's like, you're not even the big dog.

Speaker 2 You work for them just like I work for them, and you're sitting here telling me what to do. Exactly.
I just always felt like

Speaker 2 I watched my mom and my pops growing up. They was all there entrepreneurs.
So they, you know, they was their own bosses.

Speaker 2 And here I am working at Taco Cabeta getting paid $750 when I would rather be my own boss. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I think that's probably, me having that first job is probably what made me start wanting to do stuff to just be my own entity, my own boss, because that was horrible.

Speaker 2 Having somebody telling you when to come in, telling you what to do at the job, I just, I couldn't do it. Yeah.
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 And was any of the food pretty good or was it like...

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, they used to have this little,

Speaker 2 I don't even know what the bowl is called, but it's like a bowl shell.

Speaker 2 Like it's a bowl, but it's like the bowl is a shell. And inside of that, you got like your meats, your guacamole, your rice, beans.
I like all that. You can just crush the bowl.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Hey, whoever's doing that is doing a great job.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're about to pay that dude $7.50 an hour, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 We keep it in.

Speaker 2 Get him the job. Get a new job.

Speaker 1 That's so good. That's like a little magic hat or something filled with a down.
A little Thanksgiving and a little Mexican Thanksgiving in there.

Speaker 2 That was my,

Speaker 2 every time I would leave work, that's what I was taking with me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cabana bows. And what y'all had dessert choices up there, too?

Speaker 2 Sopapia's. Oh, yeah.
Sopapia. God, bro.

Speaker 1 With ice cream with them?

Speaker 2 Not ice cream, but it's some little icing at their head.

Speaker 1 I love those.

Speaker 2 But yeah, sopa pias. That was my first time ever having a sopa pia was at that job.
It's my favorite thing to make there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You just got to drop it in some grease, come out, like the little perfect little square thing, dip it it in the sauce, you're good. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And y'all could smoke on a job. Was that allowed or not?

Speaker 2 No. And this was, I was a football player at that time, so I wasn't really just smoking.
I ain't really, I was, I was on the whole, some old other stuff.

Speaker 2 See, whenever I had jobs, it's when I was kind of like on a different path.

Speaker 2 Whenever I didn't have a job, it was a different path. I was trying to be my own boss at that time.

Speaker 1 What was, you said one of your folks, they had their own business.

Speaker 1 What was their business they had?

Speaker 2 I mean, it wasn't nothing that you could like write off on your taxes. You know, you could do taxes or whatnot, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And they paid the bills.
They got the bills paid.

Speaker 1 Nobody fell out of W-9.

Speaker 2 Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 2 But the bills was paid. It was clothes on my back, and it was a roof over my head, so I can't complain about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not at all, man.

Speaker 1 Are your parents still married or no?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 They was broke up before I even came out the womb. Oh, wow.
But, you know, they still good friends. They both helped take care of me.
Maybe the man I am today. So, I mean, it worked out for me.

Speaker 1 When you had, because you have how many children? You said you have one daughter?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have a newborn little girl. She's about to be eight months.
And I got a little boy. He's about to be six.

Speaker 1 Nice. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I think I saw in one of your videos maybe.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's cool. That's my dog right there.

Speaker 1 Is he? Is he cool? Yeah. Yeah, what does he like to do?

Speaker 2 Cause havoc. So my little boy got autism.
So he just, he's just real. He's him, you know? Like, he's the one.
He'll sit here and be quiet one moment.

Speaker 2 And then the next moment he trying to take something from you and run around with it. He just...
He a character, man. He is his own entity within himself.
Yeah, Carter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's a handsome guy.

Speaker 2 Just like his daddy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a, if he has, so autism, does he have like,

Speaker 1 is it almost really interesting having a child with autism? Because it almost seems like it's more of a complex relationship or something.

Speaker 2 So they're actually actually some of the smartest kids in the world, smartest people in the world.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Elon Musk had all those guys out of autism, the guys that are making all the machinery now. So you gotta have autism even get a damn job at some of these points.

Speaker 2 But so like with him, it's just it's more like of his speech. Like I could tell him, turn on the TV.
I could ask him what you want to watch. He can point it out.
It's just his speech.

Speaker 2 Like it's like his words that auto anything. But if you tell him, I love you, he'll say, I love you.
Like, he can repeat anything you say, whether it's good or bad, he can repeat it.

Speaker 2 It's just like he can't put it all together himself. You know what I'm saying? But he's as normal as could be.
He's smart as, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 Any kid that can

Speaker 2 that knows how to jump a fence, you see what I'm saying, to go get in the pool,

Speaker 2 that knows how to say, I want to go to dad's house. And then when he gets to dad's house, say, pool.
Like, I only came here for the pool. All right.
This is the only reason I came.

Speaker 2 He knows knows how to get in. I done had to put thumbprint codes on my pantries because when he was with his mom, he eats like a lot of organic foods.

Speaker 2 And, you know, when you come to dad's house, you got the good snacks.

Speaker 2 So now he knows how to get in my pantry and climb up.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 Carter is a character, but that's my dog, man. That's my dog.

Speaker 1 Were you scared about having children when you was going to have them? Like, cause I, you know, I would like to have children. I don't have any yet, but I would like to have some.

Speaker 1 But sometimes I'm like, man, is it just going to be such a big change?

Speaker 2 I mean, you gotta you gotta leave a legacy you gotta i've always wanted to i grew up in big families like so on my dad's side whenever we did christmas together everybody was spending the night at our you know at grandma house everybody was like my granny got i got what

Speaker 2 one two three

Speaker 2 my granny got five kids my dad got six kids You know what I'm saying? Like, so that just, it's just big over there. And on my mom's side, everybody just got kids.

Speaker 2 So it's just, I just grew up in big families, so I knew I always wanted a big family.

Speaker 2 I didn't think I was going to start as early as I did, but I really feel like I'm doing better because my mom and my dad, they was, my mom was 15, my dad, you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of, we had, in our, yeah, in our town, a lot of the young, a lot of the sisters, they got a little bit pregnant.

Speaker 2 Early. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't even, we didn't even know. We thought a lot of them just got kind of thick or whatever.

Speaker 1 Like one summer or whatever, and then we were like, damn, everybody's thick all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 Yeah, everybody got that baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and everybody had it. Then they all had a baby.
Yeah, they had a lot of them babies in our area.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that would be the wild thing. So were you already rapping when you had your son?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Wow. So was it kind of nervous, like, how I'm going to take care of him, or it wasn't like it wasn't?

Speaker 2 I was sleeping.

Speaker 2 I was in my greeny house sleeping on the couch. I had just got a job at UPS.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And they got good benefits over there.

Speaker 2 No, not unless you're a manager or like something to that sort. Or you got to work there a certain amount of time.

Speaker 2 It's not good. It's not good.
But

Speaker 2 yeah, I had just, I was staying in Austin, Texas. Whenever I went to school, got kicked out of school.
I went to stay to Austin, Texas with the mother of Carter.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I went to jail, got out.

Speaker 2 Where she was staying at,

Speaker 2 I wasn't supposed to go to no more.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, restraining yourself. I had a restraining order order from the apartment complex because what I had did was in the apartment complex.
Okay. So when I got out, we did what we did.

Speaker 2 The one last time I left to go back to Dallas, she caught me three months later telling me that she was pregnant. Wow.

Speaker 2 I said, I'm sleeping on the couch in my granny house. And

Speaker 2 all I could tell her was, all right, bet,

Speaker 2 I'm finna move you out here. I'm on somebody's couch right now.
You can come sleep on this couch with me, but I'm going to get us right. She came, I think she slept on the couch with me maybe

Speaker 2 two, three weeks. Damn.
And then I I had a submit. It wasn't no furniture the first

Speaker 1 week or two. We slept.

Speaker 2 We were sitting on each other's lap. What? On a pallet on the floor.

Speaker 1 I'm the chair, you be the chair, take turns. Exactly.

Speaker 2 But we made it work.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 That's wild, man. That takes some commitment, huh?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why she's forever taking care of. We're not even together now.

Speaker 2 She got everything she could think of. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Times 10.

Speaker 1 You have a lot of respect for her, it sounds like. For sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 If it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be here. Yeah.
And that's just me being honest.

Speaker 1 What did you go to jail? Did you say you went to jail? What did you go to jail for?

Speaker 1 Well, how about this? What were the holidays like in jail?

Speaker 2 What holiday did I spend in jail? Did I spend a holiday? I think I spent, oh, I did. I spent Thanksgiving in jail.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. What's it like? Do people get up early? Is there anything special like on that?

Speaker 2 You know what? Now that I think about it, though, I was in solitary confinement, though, for that Thanksgiving. So, boom.
No, no, no, no. Yeah, I was.
I was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 So, it was just a bunch of screaming from door to door.

Speaker 1 What you just hear people's voices? Do people at least sing like a?

Speaker 2 I mean, you got there's people that sit there that's actually crazy, you know what I'm saying? So, they actually do scream and do all that and stuff and easy.

Speaker 1 But they scream anything special like because it's Thanksgiving. That's what I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was screaming something special on the day I got out.
It was a Tuesday. Like the day I was supposed to go to court, it was a Tuesday.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So when I woke up to take my shower, I was just, I was singing. Singing it.
Tuesday. Tuesday.

Speaker 2 Like, if you ever see Norby,

Speaker 2 he was in the shower knowing that he had to go to the water park with the old girl on a Tuesday. That's exactly how it was.
Everybody that was in that room was just dying laughing.

Speaker 1 It's a happy day, dude.

Speaker 2 It was a happy day.

Speaker 1 Wow. So, yeah, Thanksgiving.
What about Halloween? Were you in there?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Nah, Halloween, I was out.

Speaker 1 Thanksgiving, yeah. So do y'all get a special meal or like, is there any...

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, they give you a little scoop of dressing that but it's it's just not the same as do y'all go around the table like say what you're thankful for anything like that?

Speaker 2 Nah, I doubt that's how it went. You see there you go.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 1 who are those guys?

Speaker 2 I don't know them.

Speaker 2 Oh

Speaker 2 I don't know them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look, I mean, it definitely, yeah, it seems, yeah, I guess it wouldn't be the best, like,

Speaker 1 it wouldn't be the best. Like, really, holidays,

Speaker 2 holidays in jail, I feel like they're not really celebrated because that's the time where everybody wishes they was with their family. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 So that's when everybody is kind of intense because everybody is upset. Everybody wants to be with their kids, their moms.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? So everybody just kind of tries to get through the day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good point. I ever thought about that.
You kind of almost pretend like it's not that day. Exactly.
Did they have like a lot of gay activity in jail? Did you see any of it?

Speaker 1 Or you hear about it sometimes on the show?

Speaker 2 There was one gay experience for me in jail, and it was an older dude that had, he was in there from stealing a bunch of

Speaker 2 wood from home depot damn probably gonna build him a little gay hut i don't know but he had been in there

Speaker 2 he had been in there i don't think nobody knew that he was like that or whatever but you could tell he had been down a lot like he had a he done went to jail a bunch of times yeah yeah and there was a uh

Speaker 2 there was a guy that came in there that was a dentist

Speaker 2 but he was a member of the LGBTQ community. Okay.

Speaker 2 And he came in with nothing up. Like he was from, this is right when.
He was a dentist? Yeah, but he was an illegal dentist. You see what I'm saying? So he knew how to do teeth, but he didn't have.

Speaker 1 He didn't have a storefront.

Speaker 2 Or the paperwork or anything.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? Exactly. He just knew how to do.
But he was from Mexico. This is when they were...

Speaker 2 This is when the whole ICE situation was going on and they were catching a bunch of the illegals and

Speaker 2 sending them back. And so my power was a bunch of illegals, and he was one of the illegals, but he just happened to be a part of the LGBTQ, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Right, he was a gay gentleman, but he also is a, he did, he did a dental.

Speaker 2 He did dental.

Speaker 1 And he would do dental in the, in the.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. That's what, that's how he got arrested.
When he got pulled over, he had a bunch of dentist equipment and dentist stuff in his trunk. And he just, there was no license.
Wow. Yeah.
So

Speaker 2 that's what got him. But then on top of that, like I said, he was illegal.
Yeah. So, but yeah, he didn't have nothing.
And the OG, the old school, he had some stuff.

Speaker 2 And so he just basically took care of him and he had to take care of him.

Speaker 1 So it was just kind of like a prison, kind of a love story almost. Exactly.

Speaker 2 And we weren't even in prison. He was just in jail.
But that, yeah, that kind of that messed me up, though. Yeah.
That messed me up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so not, but even then, at least you get to see somebody having some romance. I guess that was almost.

Speaker 2 I didn't see anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Or you get to, or

Speaker 1 I guess it's, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I didn't see anything. I just, you know, you kind of put two and two.

Speaker 1 But you start to put two and two together. Exactly.
But I bet some people get a little bit envious. They're like, oh, at least he got somebody, you know?

Speaker 2 i mean i hey i don't know i didn't think that way yeah i just you know me neither dude i just but it's yeah but that's love is love though

Speaker 1 yeah if people are in for a long time i could see how if somebody was in for a long time and they're not going to get out

Speaker 1 they say i'm just going to have to figure this out over here and call i mean if you in jail for the if you in prison for the rest of your life

Speaker 2 No, I can't even say that because in that insinuation, if I was to ever go to prison for the rest rest of my life, then I, yeah, yeah, so I don't know. We're here now.
Yeah, yeah. Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 Happy Thanksgiving. Wow, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess I wonder what the holidays are like in there and stuff like that. But is there anything that you missed? Wait, what's the difference between jail and prison?

Speaker 2 I've never been to prison, so I can't really tell you how bad prison get, but from what I've heard,

Speaker 2 it's just, I mean, you gotta, it's, it's, see, jail, you're possibly going home. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can go home.
Prison, you know, you're there for a little bit.

Speaker 2 So that's when it's more hostile. It's more gangs.
It's more. Oh.
You know what I'm saying? That's where that stuff takes a play in. Like the gang wars and then the racial stuff.

Speaker 2 That stuff is real in prison.

Speaker 2 I hate all that. Some people say that the feds is better than prison just because off the strength, it's for one, I guess, a lot more people with money there.

Speaker 2 So, and it's just a lot more stuff there, like tablets.

Speaker 2 You know well i mean everybody got tablets now even in even in prison they got tablets yeah but it's just you know saying for a while swings with recess type shit outdoor stuff that's i i've never been to prison i've never been to the feds so i don't know i'm just going off of what i've been told but i know if jail suck

Speaker 2 prison gotta be worse yeah and the feds gotta be worse than that damn you know so it's just like but if i ever go down and do some time i'd rather go to the feds because it's they just look like they they're not free but they're freer you know what i'm saying A little more relaxed.

Speaker 2 Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to ever go to prison or not.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 overall, I would probably hope I didn't. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 Like, what do you think gave you like such a good, like, at least kept you some motivation? So you said, like, you learned that, okay, I don't really like working for somebody else, right?

Speaker 1 And I know that you played football for a while. When did you like think like then rap is something I have to do? Did it just kind of turn on for you?

Speaker 1 I mean, I think you're obviously a good communicator. So you have that that was built into you.
When did it start to become lyrical for you?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 remember I told you I was in solitary confinement for Thanksgiving. I had missed my son's first birthday being in jail.
And so when I got out, I knew I never wanted to work a real job, obviously.

Speaker 2 And on top of that, when I got out, I just couldn't do what I was doing no more like all the street activity I was doing I had made a promise to my son that like you'll never not see your dad again I'll never miss another birthday I never miss another anything even though I kind of told a story because here I am here and he's in Texas you know what I'm saying but this is me doing what I got to do to benefit him you know what I'm saying so

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 yeah yeah so I got out made the promises to him.

Speaker 2 And so I just had to figure that out I had a my he's not my artist, but he also my cousin that was just a you know good friend at the time He just was like

Speaker 2 He'd been rapping since he was nine years old He's your real cousin? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 And so he had been telling me forever you need to rap you need to rap because we would do like little freestyle sessions and whatnot and I would freestyle and it'll be a group with us.

Speaker 2 But he'll just look at me and be like, bro, you need to rap for real. But I'm like, bro, you've been rapping since nine years old and you ain't blew up yet.

Speaker 2 Why would I do that?

Speaker 2 I'm not going to listen to you. Exactly.
But whenever I got out and I just really didn't have nothing else, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like, what I was saying about, I was really trying to live up to that promise that I made to my son. So whenever he was like, rap,

Speaker 2 I was like, all right, bet. And I tried it, did maybe like three songs.

Speaker 2 I liked the

Speaker 2 feedback I got from it. You know what I'm saying? Just from our friend group.
Then it went past that to just people that we knew from school. Then it went from that to people that we didn't know.

Speaker 2 And so I was just like, okay, let's do something.

Speaker 1 So you just gave it to friends first? Was it even like close friends? friends or do you have like enough confidence you're like all right i'm gonna put this i'm gonna

Speaker 2 i mean of course i i just i didn't even know how to drop music row told me distro kit so i just went through distro kit but like i said i when i was dropping them it was just i was just telling my immediate friend group yeah but then when i started noticing that i was getting tags and stuff from people that I didn't know.

Speaker 2 That's wild. Yeah, I was like, okay, this is doing a little something.
It's doing a little something. Then just to walk around my own city and everybody know me, I go at any club, everybody knew me.

Speaker 2 I was like, all right, this is really, it's really happening. Crazy.
Yeah, then I got my first, I got my first deal in like in six months, my first distribution deal, just under six months.

Speaker 2 So once that happened, I just went from there. I just, I seen, I had made a little bag off of it because I didn't touch a lot of money in my life, but I ain't never touched.

Speaker 2 Nothing like I've never had $100,000 sitting in my hand at one point in time. Yeah.
And when I did that distribution deal, I had that. And so I I was like,

Speaker 2 me doing something non-illegal, I just touched $100,000 at one time.

Speaker 1 You must have been like, dang, this is it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And then like three months later, I was broke.

Speaker 2 Would you be in a water slot or something? No, I just was, you know,

Speaker 2 doing for everybody.

Speaker 1 Everybody buys some wild shit when they get a little bit of money.

Speaker 2 No, they'll tell you, I didn't have no big chains. I didn't even want no chain.
To this day, I wouldn't have this chain if they wouldn't tell me, bro, you got an image that you got to uphold.

Speaker 2 You're the biggest rapper in Texas. You can't.
But I don't, I never cared about none of that at first. I kind of got addicted after I started paying.
Oh, yeah. You get some nice carpet or whatever.

Speaker 2 You get a rug, a nice table.

Speaker 1 You start buying all kind of shit and lamps.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Silverware with your name on it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 with my name on it, it's crazy. But no, yeah.

Speaker 2 So I had the smallest chains. I just was doing for people around me.
I go in the mall.

Speaker 2 I couldn't even find nothing for me to wear in the mall. I would go to the mall and buy shoes and just tell my friends, hey, y'all get whatever y'all want.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? Like, my mama, anytime she would ask for anything, giving it to my pops, anything, I was just doing it. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 And then I looked up one day and I was down to like

Speaker 2 $25,000.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 2 And you got to pay taxes.

Speaker 1 She don't even think about that.

Speaker 2 I didn't think about none of that. I didn't think about none of that.
And so I just had to, I really just put my foot down and grind it and I got it all back. And then

Speaker 2 next thing I know, that 100 went to

Speaker 2 I just we went crazy after that you know and so our independent so all my money come to me hell yeah

Speaker 1 we do we did good yeah that's the same we work for ourselves here too it's inspiring I see a lot of guys out there like that Lil Russell you ever see him

Speaker 1 yeah yeah he go crazy bro his bars are good man and he's so like inspirational he's got this whole thing man he does have the shit in his back he already

Speaker 1 he's sewing half the sweaters himself that he's slinging man he puts it together

Speaker 1 He's really inspiring. I like watching him.

Speaker 1 Do you see that Trump thing that happened with the guy?

Speaker 1 Made the joke yesterday?

Speaker 2 I have not been in a debate situation at all, actually.

Speaker 1 Well, this is a comedian. They just had him in yesterday.
This is Tony Hinchcliffe. He's a friend of mine, and he just said they put him up at the...

Speaker 1 At Madison Square Gardens last night in New York City. They put him up to speak, and then this was a joke that he told.
It's just everybody's going crazy about it today.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's called Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 Okay. So that's the joke he told, right? At like a Madison Square Garden rally, I guess.

Speaker 1 So people are up in arms about it. Because a lot of people are Puerto Rican in New York.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 2 that was a very crazy statement.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that seemed like a unique choice to me. But I don't know.
I've made some poor choices, but I haven't made that one.

Speaker 2 I think we've all made a poor choice

Speaker 2 once before.

Speaker 1 I've made a ton. Do you guys, do you feel like Texas rocks with Trump, or do you feel like, are you a political guy?

Speaker 2 I'm not a political guy. I just,

Speaker 2 listen, I keep my head down. I make the money that I can make, how I can make it.
As long as I can keep taking care of my kids, I don't care about what, you know, everything.

Speaker 2 Hey, we got to go to war. We got to go to war.
We don't, we don't.

Speaker 2 You just got to be ready for whatever comes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You'll be a paratrooper, dude. Looking at that video of yours, we'll send you in.

Speaker 2 And I feel like I'm to the point now

Speaker 2 where they wouldn't even ask me. You know, like if the world was to end, you know how like in all the world ending movies, there's always like those two ships or two boats.

Speaker 2 I think I've made it to get on one of those now. Like I'm on the list.

Speaker 1 Right, they're going to keep you.

Speaker 2 Exactly, like plus two. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So.

Speaker 1 And you have to bring your children probably.

Speaker 2 Yeah, obviously. Obviously.

Speaker 2 Or do I bring two women

Speaker 2 so that I can repopulate?

Speaker 1 Start more children.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 One kid, one woman.

Speaker 1 And the other kid.

Speaker 2 Nah, nah, nah, I got to take both of my kids.

Speaker 2 I got to take both my kids.

Speaker 1 That's the best answer to end on, I think, for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people bet on it now. Two people betting on the election.
They have.

Speaker 1 You ever seen this?

Speaker 1 Because a lot of it is, it's like, well, where's people's money at? Because that's where they're really, that's where you follow the money everywhere. Everywhere, that's where you really learn things.

Speaker 1 I find. And they have Calci.
This is a website where people bet on the election. And it's, yeah, Trump's at 62% now there.
And Kamala is at 38%.

Speaker 1 What else do they have on there? Trevin, if you can bring something up. Oh, how many number one songs this year on Billboard? But you can bet on all types of stuff.

Speaker 1 Grammy nominations for album of the year.

Speaker 1 Who's that? Cowboy Carter.

Speaker 1 Casey has 93%. Casey Musgraves, Chris Stapleton.
Will Big X win a Grammy, right? You could bet on that. You could bet on anything, you know? And they probably have some of it on there.

Speaker 1 But what is he at right now? What's it at right now? Go back.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's Trump 62%. And the money that's been bet, $86 million.
That's crazy. That's crazy, bro.

Speaker 2 That is so crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, as your life has kind of taken some new turns, you've had new opportunities.

Speaker 1 Have there been any new mentors that have come into your life or like people that you start to see like

Speaker 1 this person, I feel something that they're doing is interesting or I could learn from it. Yeah.
And that you kind of have created relationships with yet?

Speaker 2 I mean, I keep my head down.

Speaker 2 I mean, I just recently did an interview with, you know, the Million Dollars Worth of Game, Wilo, and Gilly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw some of it.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, it's, I don't really,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I'm not a big industry person, man. I'm not going to lie to you.
I don't, like, I keep relationships that are meant to be kept.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, that I'm not, I'm not going to overextend myself. It's just got to be genuine.
And a lot of this stuff is not genuine.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, it works.

Speaker 2 I just kind of stay to myself,

Speaker 2 I don't know. I feel like

Speaker 2 if anything, my biggest mentor is like...

Speaker 2 My son, you know what I'm saying? Just because

Speaker 2 I feel like you go through everything you're going through and you still, you get up and you smile every day yeah even though you might not know what's going on you just you know you you get up and smile every day not even knowing you know what I'm saying so right I have to say my him

Speaker 2 yeah yeah everybody else I feel like

Speaker 2 I don't know I did everything that I've done to get here I feel like I do it on my own like

Speaker 1 So I know but yeah, you don't need I guess an industry you don't yeah, maybe you're your own mentor That's interesting your son could be your mentor in a way because it really is a mentor is just kind of a source of inspiration kind of no for sure because this day is like I don't want want to get up and I don't want to do none of this.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? But if my son can get up every day and go to school and have a bigger smile on his face and have good days, why can I not? You know?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 1 do you? Um, you ever listen to Jelly Roll? You ever met Jelly Roll?

Speaker 2 Man, I've never met him, but I've heard it, I've heard that he loves me. Man, I love Jelly Roll.

Speaker 1 Y'all would make us sick. Y'all could put something together.
I don't know if you do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 You have some collabs, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, bro. He's one of the most genuine dudes.

Speaker 2 I'm actually, I'm supposed to be doing a country tape next, and he's supposed to be on it. Yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir, sir.

Speaker 1 Who else would be on it? You think? Shibuzzi, maybe? Shibuzi for sure.

Speaker 2 That's my dog.

Speaker 2 I think I got an unread text from him right now on my phone. I just texted him about that.

Speaker 1 I got to sit near him at a, we went to a women's basketball game. Don't tell anybody.
So we went, and but it was the Las Vegas Aces.

Speaker 2 29?

Speaker 2 I had no idea Shibuzi was 29. You're old, buddy.

Speaker 2 You're old. You're old.
I thought he was my age. Shibuzi's 29.

Speaker 1 He's a damn adult.

Speaker 2 I didn't know he was a tourist, though. His birthday two days before mine.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's a damn tourist as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. But now he, he's, like I told you, it's not a lot of genuine stuff in this industry.
And he,

Speaker 2 him and L.A. Chopper,

Speaker 2 it's just as far as rappers, that's really, you know, just it. But like, they the

Speaker 2 most genuine guys.

Speaker 2 I can call NLA Chopper right now.

Speaker 2 He just called me the other day and thanked me because

Speaker 2 whenever he transitioned to that, if I was a bad, like,

Speaker 2 he was on the way to go to Rolling Loud, because, you know, the first time he performed it was at a Rolling Loud. I had just left Rolling Loud.
So we had the same hotel.

Speaker 2 We had already done a song before then.

Speaker 2 But we was chopping it up, and in the back, you could hear the song playing. Like, he had somebody in the back specifically holding a speaker to play that song.

Speaker 2 and you know, a lot of people just didn't really understand what he had going, they didn't see where I didn't, I didn't even see the vision, he's out, he's set, but I just knew you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day, as long as you're comfortable with doing what you're doing and you know your reasons behind doing what you're doing, then why not do it?

Speaker 2 Like, you're young, yeah.

Speaker 2 At the end of the day, they're doing all this other crazy stuff, why you can't do it. And so, he just basically thanked me the other day for just, you know,

Speaker 2 basically accepting, you know what I'm saying, what he had going, basically believing in what he had going. And, you know, that's like I said, that's my God, man.
I got to get him on.

Speaker 1 He just reached out and said, thank you. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I was getting my haircut at my house. He called me.
He was in Tokyo. He was in Japan.

Speaker 1 They getting him over there, I guess.

Speaker 2 It was broad daylight.

Speaker 1 They love everything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was broad daylight where he was. It was dark where I was.
You know what I'm saying? He was just calling me. He had just got the shower.

Speaker 2 He was like, yeah, man, I just want to let you know, I appreciate you. I thank you.
But yeah, Shabuza, that's my dog. I was just with him in New York.

Speaker 2 I was trying to try to bring him out to the show today, but he in L.A. now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's all over. Yeah, we sat next to each other at a game.
It was pretty good. Watching the Vegas Aces is good, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got to go see a

Speaker 2 women's basketball game. I feel like it's more intense.

Speaker 1 I can relate to their games because I can't dunk.

Speaker 2 They can't dunk. Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 I feel it. So every time they're trying to dunk and they can, that's Ryan.
You feel it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I feel it.
I feel it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I know what these women are going through.

Speaker 2 I actually can dunk. My manager just didn't get footage of it.
Really? Because he almost got fired that day as well. But I was just recently shooting the Prize Peaks commercial.

Speaker 2 Big shout out to Prize Peaks. And I dunked the ball.
He really?

Speaker 2 I'm lying?

Speaker 1 We won't say what he said.

Speaker 2 No, he said, I'm not lying.

Speaker 1 You're not lying.

Speaker 2 I dunked the ball. Wow, really?

Speaker 2 I don't believe it. No, I believe it.
This is why you needed the footage. I believe it.
I believe it. This is why you needed the footage.

Speaker 1 So that's how I did it. Drewski was there.

Speaker 2 Funny Marco was there.

Speaker 1 Wait, was Sketch there too? Yes. Yeah, Sketch and Druski was there.

Speaker 2 Yes, sir. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 How was that? I heard it was good.

Speaker 1 It was all for prize picks.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was long, but we got to drop it. Right there.
Yeah, yeah, I seen it before I said that. Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, now they're all great guys, man. Everybody's just genuinely funny from

Speaker 2 Spice Adams. That guy's hilarious.

Speaker 1 Spice Adams. I don't know him.

Speaker 2 That's the

Speaker 2 bring him up. Yeah,

Speaker 2 bring him up. There you go.

Speaker 1 Let me get a look at him. Spice Adams.

Speaker 2 No, he does like the old basketball.

Speaker 2 When you see him,

Speaker 2 you.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, did he do the...

Speaker 1 That's Anthony Adams.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 he goes by Spice.

Speaker 1 He goes by Spice now.

Speaker 2 Well, that's his basketball.

Speaker 1 That's Anthony Anderson, actually, for a second.

Speaker 2 I think that's a movie artist or something. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Anthony Adams.

Speaker 2 You got to pull up one of his clips, like one of the basketball clips.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see if you can get one of them.

Speaker 2 I didn't even know he played professional football. He neither.

Speaker 1 Hell, I didn't even know he existed. I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 1 Spice Adam. Go to the video

Speaker 2 down

Speaker 2 to the right, far right, right there.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 dang, bro.

Speaker 2 We tried.

Speaker 1 We tried, Spice.

Speaker 2 Oh, there he is.

Speaker 2 He's just a funny guy.

Speaker 2 Come on now. You didn't do that now, did you?

Speaker 1 Who is he doing, Mike Apps?

Speaker 2 Nah, he's just saying

Speaker 2 this is how old the guys laugh.

Speaker 2 How old he is laughing, glucose mama jokes.

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 But yeah, he is a character, man. Druski, everybody knows.

Speaker 2 Everybody knows Druski a character.

Speaker 1 Druski's a vest, man.

Speaker 1 Me and Druski did a fake movie. It was like a fake movie

Speaker 1 that we made.

Speaker 1 This shit was messed up. So the family is called the Diggers is their last name, right? Druski wrote it.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we're at the one of them, the dad dies. It's Druski and his sister.
They own, they're inheriting a funeral parlor.

Speaker 1 And then I'm married to Druski's sister. Okay.
And so I'm getting part of the funeral parlor. Okay.
And they're not happy about it.

Speaker 1 But anyway, we're at the, we're at the funeral of the dad, the guy that died.

Speaker 1 And the last name is, his name was Nathan Digger, right? And so I had to make a speech in front of all these people

Speaker 1 and it was like man

Speaker 1 I don't know if I can say this right now but I was like man this is the best digger we ever had in the whole world right and it was a room full of black folks who didn't I didn't know any of them and Drewski and them are in the back just howling bro and I'm just having to keep I had to do it like 15 times.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Finally, I was like, man, I can't do this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it would have got awkward after a while. Yeah, bro, right in the middle.

Speaker 2 Even if I know that you're saying this other word, after like the seventh time,

Speaker 2 it starts to sound like the other word, you know?

Speaker 1 Dude, it was, yeah, it got really scary even for a little while.

Speaker 1 But it was, Drewski's hilarious, dude. The video where he gets out of prison, that's Demon Home.
You see that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Demon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's Lil Ray.

Speaker 2 That's Lil Ray.

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Speaker 1 Plug, they're sending a lot of people to space. Would you ever go to space if we needed you out there?

Speaker 2 A lot of people would have to go before me.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 you would have like a group of people would have, like, not the astronauts that, like, you would have, because they said they're supposed to be building a hotel up there soon. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Somebody got to go stay in that hotel for a week

Speaker 2 and come back safely. And they got to check all their blood, you know, their vitals.
And if everything good, I'd go on like the third or fourth group trip. You know what I'm saying? I'd go on that.

Speaker 2 I would.

Speaker 1 That'd be wild if you were out there.

Speaker 2 It would, because I would be lighter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's really why I want to go. Lean with it, rock with it, bro.

Speaker 2 Exactly, I would make I would

Speaker 2 have so many captions when I come back,

Speaker 2 man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what if you could write different bars if you were in space because it would affect you differently?

Speaker 2 My mental right, yeah. I can't say nothing about standing on business because I'm floating on business.

Speaker 2 I see what you're saying,

Speaker 2 yeah, that'd be hard. We gotta, I gotta do, we gotta get

Speaker 2 some space, man.

Speaker 1 First album written in space, that'd be tough.

Speaker 2 I'm on some Soldier Boy stuff now.

Speaker 2 First rapper to write an album in space.

Speaker 1 Yeah, i wonder man big extraterrestrial you could meet an alien out there do do a lot of you believe in aliens do you believe in aliens my friend

Speaker 2 i don't know

Speaker 2 because you gotta think man

Speaker 2 they got a lot of space out there man they do do i believe that there is another uh

Speaker 2 Like planet out there with life on it of course. I think so aliens I think they might look just like us.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think they might look just like us. They might just speak different.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I ain't going to say they just look like

Speaker 2 I'm not going to say that, but.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like a teletubby or something.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they might look like. Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to do that.
But they might look like the guy with the ears. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Him down there. Down there right there.
They might look like that. Oh, damn.

Speaker 1 He looked like he cut his own hair.

Speaker 1 That guy cuts his own hair, man.

Speaker 2 Maybe, what if they don't have to cut their hair? That's just how their hair naturally is.

Speaker 1 They just snap and it falls off how they want it to be. Wow.

Speaker 2 That's just as alien as it'll get for me.

Speaker 1 Dude, we used to have a bus driver. He'd cut everybody's hair.
He was the barber in our town. So, like once a month, he'd pull the bus over, $2, everybody get cut up.

Speaker 2 $2?

Speaker 2 I don't know if I want that. I don't know if I want that haircut.

Speaker 1 Oh, it wasn't a great cut, but it was the only cut they had, man.

Speaker 2 But it's like, what can you get for $2?

Speaker 2 I mean, you get what you get. He was just sitting a bowl on here and just cutting around it.

Speaker 1 Well, he could do it off of site. He didn't need a, you know, a dishware or nothing, but he could,

Speaker 2 he, he, he, he did it. He didn't have that much faith in himself, though, because $2.

Speaker 2 That's, you get $2, that don't even get you no dip. That don't get you nothing.

Speaker 1 But this was, man, this was 25 years ago, though, two, 22 years ago. Oh, okay, okay.
So he had, yeah, he really, I thought he did a pretty good job, but he pulled that bus over, bam, everybody.

Speaker 2 How old are you? I'm 44.

Speaker 2 Really? I'm an adult, man.

Speaker 1 I'm going to die soon.

Speaker 2 I'm an adult.

Speaker 2 Man,

Speaker 2 you look good.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man. I feel good, but I'm just getting older.
I got to get a wife soon.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You don't have to.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 You don't have to.

Speaker 1 You don't think?

Speaker 2 Man, it's like part of me feel like this.

Speaker 2 I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 I got two women right now.

Speaker 2 And I just feel like I probably would be better with none right now, you know? Yeah. You know, because it's just like as you get,

Speaker 2 as it get better, it get worse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But there's something also admirable about a guy that's able to

Speaker 1 make that work, though, too, I think.

Speaker 1 If I see that and a guy's able to make it work, that he's able to take care of his wife or ex-wife, I feel like there's almost something a little bit admirable about it.

Speaker 2 I struggle every day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I struggle every day. They see it every day.
I struggle. But, you know, I feel like it's making me a

Speaker 2 better person

Speaker 2 because now I like, I feel like the past me didn't know how to treat women. Now that I got a daughter, it made me want to treat women better.
And it will happen right when I have two women.

Speaker 2 So now I'm treating them both like queens, obviously. But it gets to a point where, you know, well, that's another, that's another combo.
Look at everybody starting to listening.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's another combo, man.

Speaker 2 That's something else, bro. Definitely take as much time as you need because once you you get married,

Speaker 2 it's a rap.

Speaker 1 You there.

Speaker 2 It's a rap. My dad just told me he's finna propose to his girlfriend on the Dallas date

Speaker 2 on stage. Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 And what song are you going to play a special song for him? If she says yes?

Speaker 2 I mean, he's the voice on Texas, so I'll probably just play Texas.

Speaker 2 First off, will you marry me?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dang. If you got to meet some aliens, what songs would you play for them, you think?

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 I'm from

Speaker 2 Texas.

Speaker 1 And what about some other artists?

Speaker 2 The biggest, the largest. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I would pull up for them. They would like that.

Speaker 1 But if they pull up with a big-ass, large-ass alien, you're going to have some competition, though.

Speaker 2 He's going to like the song, though. He's going to like the song.

Speaker 2 That's all I know. But I definitely would play.

Speaker 2 Got to play some Lil Wayne.

Speaker 2 I I would play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. You got to play some Lil Wayne.
We used to live not far from juvenile, and he chased a woman down the street one night in our neighborhood. Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 2 We're just going to say she did something wrong.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm assuming she did.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we can probably take that out.

Speaker 2 I don't want to hurt the guy's feelings.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's still pending either.

Speaker 1 What uh

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm trying to think of what else man you've had so much success this year. Do you start to feel about different goals or you just stay, you just kind of stay in the pocket you're in?

Speaker 1 Like, what do you feel like, do you feel a responsibility to keep up with your own success now? Because that's interesting.

Speaker 1 Once you start to have some success, you almost set the bar for yourself without even realizing it, right? You're just trying to achieve some goals, but then you set a bar, kind of.

Speaker 2 I mean, like I said,

Speaker 2 I didn't come in this wanting to be the best rapper ever. I didn't even want to be a rapper.
It was just something I had to do something to take care of my child.

Speaker 2 And so, like, it's just to the point where it's like, like, as long as I'm taking care of my child, I'm good. I still don't feel like I'm treating this as the NFL.

Speaker 2 Because, like I said, I wanted to, I thought I was going to be a football player. The NFL stands for not for long.

Speaker 2 So, I gave myself five years in this. I tell them every day, man, I can't wait to retire in this rap.
And they'd be like, Yeah, but you got like 10 more years. And I'd be like, No, I got two.

Speaker 2 And they'd be like, No. I'm like, Yeah, I only got two.

Speaker 2 Because after that, I'm just, I feel like movies, you know, like I'm just setting myself up for other things to bring more revenue to to my family.

Speaker 2 Like, when I'm gone, my kids are going to be so rich. They ain't got to do nothing, but it's going to like,

Speaker 2 I'm going to have,

Speaker 2 I'm going to have been done so much, like, as far as music, movies, commercials, voiceovers, whatever, you know what I'm saying? That it's going to make them want to do something.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? Man, my dad did all of this. I got to go do this.
I got to do something to make my own name. I want my kids to want their own name.

Speaker 2 So it's like, everything that I'm doing right now, I'm basically doing it to make it hard on them.

Speaker 1 I I see what you're saying. Because if they're as competitive, if they have that competitive spirit.

Speaker 2 And I know that's in me because it got passed down from my dad, my brother.

Speaker 2 It's just, I know, I know that's going to be there. Exactly.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 when they're nice and ready, I just know they're going to put their bitch for fourth and they're going to figure it out.

Speaker 2 But if they don't, they got piles of cash to sit on if they don't, you know?

Speaker 1 What about a Christmas album, man? You going to do something like that for everybody?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I did do a Christmas song one time where I feel like it went crazy. I just dropped it at the wrong time.

Speaker 2 when did you drop it in the summer uh no it was cold it was cold i actually dropped it right around christmas it just was earlier in my career so like i had less eyes you know yeah but it's i think it's over a million something right now now that i've become who i've become maybe it could pick up then this year yeah yeah i think what they got 1.5

Speaker 1 a year ago And would you ever do a mall sander or something like that, like for children or for charity?

Speaker 2 I would. I would.
That's actually a great idea.

Speaker 1 That'd be sick bro it's a great idea

Speaker 1 yeah dude if you got to be a mall santa that would be pretty good

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 1 yeah i don't know if we can listen to it or not because we'll have to it'll get claimed or whatever um what's your show like man what's the show like uh i might pull up tonight you should you should uh now it's more like

Speaker 2 Now at first, my shows would just like turn up like a lot of dancing.

Speaker 1 People shaking a towel and all that. Shaking a towel.
There's always that one guy that's just sued the towel guy or whatever. Like on the rap stages, there's that one dude and he just.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're talking about like a hype man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I guess Roe is my hype man.

Speaker 2 It's good, though. You got to have him.
No, but

Speaker 2 we're more like put together. Like,

Speaker 2 I don't know what it is. Me and Roe, we've been performing together since.

Speaker 2 My first ever performance. He was on stage with me.
So I don't know. It's just the chemistry is there.
We know we

Speaker 2 everything that we done put together, it just happened. It wasn't nothing that we said.
Like, we just, for the first time, did rehearsals before this tour.

Speaker 2 And we done did three tours before, like my tour, Kevin Gates' tour, Key Glock tour. We never rehearsed nothing.
It was just, we went on stage and it just happened. Wow.

Speaker 2 So now we're finally rehearsing it. So I just feel like that made it.
Like now he comes out on stage in a FedEx uniform. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's crazy.
We just put more to it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it's just, you should come.

Speaker 1 I mean, come.

Speaker 2 To see a big big guy my size move the way i move and to you wouldn't even think that it was an hour sit i do hour sits and you wouldn't if i wasn't sweating so bad you wouldn't even know i was tired like i don't know it's just kind of like second nation to us now and then we always we were football players so it always been under the the lights you know what i'm saying and so

Speaker 2 i don't know that's just it uh it just making you want to put on more of a show do you have some ballads in there too some love songs like that

Speaker 2 i guess i i used to but now like so the Take Here Tour is basically,

Speaker 2 I mean, it's off of the album, you know, it's based off the album. And my album wasn't more of a,

Speaker 2 it wasn't a turn-up album. It wasn't a For the Women album.
It was just me speaking on me in this industry, you know, speaking on me in the now.

Speaker 2 And so, like, now I feel like my shows are more like

Speaker 2 personal. Like, a lot of people that come to my shows now, they come up because they felt the same way.

Speaker 1 Feel the same way.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And so.

Speaker 1 Like, I did in myself. I've been doubted, and I still believed enough in myself to get things exactly.

Speaker 2 So, now I speak, like, now I perform with

Speaker 2 what's that? What is the thing called that you sit the mic on?

Speaker 2 Mike stand, yeah, my fault.

Speaker 2 I had a brain for it, my fault, but yeah. So, now I come out, mic stand.
Like, I show you my intro now. You'll be like, okay, yeah, that's crazy.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 If you can pull my Instagram up, you actually can see it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's pull it up. And I'm going to come see tonight, man.

Speaker 2 Y'all make sure y'all follow me at BigX to Plug. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow, bro. That's so exciting, exciting, man.
It's really awesome to see all your, to see just you have so many neat opportunities.

Speaker 2 That first one right there. There you go.

Speaker 2 Shout out to my cameraman, Trace Holes, man.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 I should have rapped, bro.

Speaker 2 Damn, I should have. He said he should have rapped.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 I should have got in. I had a little bit of a chance, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 But. Hey, it happens.

Speaker 2 If you ask me,

Speaker 2 this is the easiest thing I've ever done in my life. No cap.

Speaker 2 If it wasn't for all the extra stuff that come with it, this is the easiest money I've ever made in my life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I don't, it's, it's different when you got to lie and make up stuff because now that's a whole nother process.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. But when you're just talking about what you've done, what you've went through, like,

Speaker 2 that's just coming out. That's coming off my head.
I don't got to think, oh, what would sound, like, you know, so I don't have to do that.

Speaker 1 Well, if you're staying true to your own life, then you don't have to manipulate anything.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And it's just so much easier.
You can go in the studio.

Speaker 2 You're basically writing a story about yourself. Yeah.
It's easy.

Speaker 1 Man, that's a great.

Speaker 1 It's interesting. I think people can understand what you're talking about too.

Speaker 1 They can,

Speaker 1 you just communicate so well that I think it just it reaches a lot of people. Yeah.
You know.

Speaker 1 X, congrats on all the success, man. Appreciate you.
Yeah, congrats on the tour.

Speaker 2 Album out now, man. Make sure y'all keep running that take care of.

Speaker 2 We got

Speaker 2 only three days in the tour. We still got 29 more dates.

Speaker 1 And a lot of these are sold out.

Speaker 2 Yes, a lot of these are sold out. So y'all try to get in where y'all can fit in.

Speaker 2 Huh?

Speaker 2 Oh, definitely get those meet and greets.

Speaker 1 Oh, do people, yeah, how do you guys, you guys do that after the shows?

Speaker 2 I try to do them before the show because after I'm all sweaty, and

Speaker 2 so I like to do it before, but

Speaker 2 I don't know. I also feel like after it's more like

Speaker 2 genuine. You know what I'm saying? Before, I feel like it's, me, it's just kind of like trying to get it.
And this is coming from, this is me being honest about me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Before, it's kind of just feel like it's like I'm going through the like, oh, soundcheck and then meet and greet.

Speaker 2 But after the show it's like it's just more genuine because you tired and it's just the real you now right you've had the show already exactly and they've gotten to see it too exactly exactly so it's like whenever they come up like I had a guy a grown man last night walk up on me and tell me bro I love you I appreciate you because of what you got going you you helped me I love you told me you love me twice you know so it's like that's that's that's real love before if we would have did the meet and greet before he wouldn't have went through the show he said I might love you yeah yeah hey great job.

Speaker 2 You know, that's all I would have got. But

Speaker 2 he listened to the show, he listened to the lyrics.

Speaker 1 And yeah, after that, the energy's been there. There's been that connection.
I think a lot of people, you don't think about it from their perspective, though. They're just excited to get to see you.

Speaker 1 Some people, it's like you want to hear their music, but also, I think you just want to be in the same building as them. And I think that's some of the energy that you have.
I think

Speaker 1 some people, it's just their song. Yeah, I want to go listen for their songs.
I don't know if I really

Speaker 1 have a sense of them as a person,

Speaker 1 but to me, it feels like, and it's just my thoughts that there's something else where people like oh I also want to be in the same room as him I just you know I feel like it's um and it's different when you got like when you're actual like when you're genuine like it's you humble it's you know it's just you it's actually you it's not no

Speaker 2 right you know what I'm saying when you're just taking the picture getting them out the way no

Speaker 2 you enjoyed the show how did you like the show what was your favorite part of the show I appreciate you coming out man people love that that make them feel like

Speaker 2 you're they're a person and you're a person you know what I'm saying when you taking the picture and moving them on out the way or not even that just make it seem like you're a robot like

Speaker 1 you're the machine is running you oh yeah and these days that's all some of the best artists it's just everything that's outside of the machine the machine's dirty man that's why i feel like everything that we're doing right now is you doing it yourself is stored because it's it's all us we're doing it completely independent who's your team uh i mean i know a lot of them right here but just but okay so i got a distribution deal through United Masters.

Speaker 2 Okay. So they don't do nothing but distribute my music.

Speaker 2 I mean, they gave me a small marketing budget. You know what I'm saying? Nothing too major.
Like a major label.

Speaker 2 They pay for everything. You know what I'm saying? Like this tour I paid for out of my pocket.
Like the bus, I $200,000 on a bus.

Speaker 1 I know, dude, that bus is damn expensive.

Speaker 2 I take no bus.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. Rayhan was

Speaker 1 $60

Speaker 1 to get to Rochester.

Speaker 2 That's smart.

Speaker 1 Or FedEx, FedEx, you mail yourself overnight.

Speaker 2 Not different. I mean, I don't know, but I just feel like, I don't know, I'm kind of glad we did the best stuff because, you know, it's just.

Speaker 1 No, you have to do it. Yeah.
You have to. It's hard to start to spend that money on yourself.
Like, we tour with comedy.

Speaker 1 We just got back from Montana or some different places, but it's like, you just, because at a certain point, you're investing this in your own, you have to be comfortable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't show up like you're like rattled, you know, it's like, because you have to put the show on.

Speaker 2 No, you're right. You're right.

Speaker 1 Not trying trying to preach at you i just i tried to nickel and dime we was on motorbikes one time we was on all kinds of shit trying to save money man we had a camper we had all kind of no for sure no yeah i i mean this was cheaper than flying everybody everywhere so yeah and we just i just i went through the sprinter experience and i just couldn't do that again it's hard amen yeah we did all that van sprinter yeah and then finally you just have to make sure you're comfortable enough to show up yeah wow well what a journey big ex thanks Thanks for just letting us enjoy your music, man.

Speaker 1 I love,

Speaker 1 yeah, just how humble you are, man. And just,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 people to people, man. That's all.
That's all we are really doing.

Speaker 1 Take care, tour.

Speaker 1 And you can get the album. You still have it.
If it's sold out, there may still be meet and greet tickets available. For sure.
And I know you're just going to keep adding more dates, man.

Speaker 1 You're going to be a busy man. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 We're working.

Speaker 1 We're working. Yeah, I'm glad I got to catch you today, man.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 I appreciate you for having me.

Speaker 1 All right, blessings.

Speaker 2 I'm just floating on the breeze, and

Speaker 2 I can feel it

Speaker 2 in my bones.

Speaker 2 But it's gonna take

Speaker 2 a little

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