E537 Miranda Lambert

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Today's guest is a Grammy Award-winning country musician. She has a new album called Postcards from Texas.

Speaker 3 And you know her songs, The House That Built Me, Drunk, January Heart, the list goes on, Red Wagon.

Speaker 3 I'm really grateful today to get to spend time with one of the queens of the country music industry, Miss Miranda Lambert.

Speaker 3 Shine

Speaker 3 on me,

Speaker 3 and I will

Speaker 3 find a song I'll sing and watch us go.

Speaker 3 Yeah, nice to see you today, Miranda Lambert.

Speaker 2 Hello.

Speaker 3 It's an honor.

Speaker 4 Well, thanks for having me. Yeah.
It's a cozy little place. It's a pleasure.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. We, we, uh, yeah, we try to keep it cozy.
It's nice. Kind of get to, you know, just catch up with folks and see what's going on.
I've met your husband a couple times.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he said that. Y'all randomly on like two or three planes together?

Speaker 3 Yeah. We've been, we're like kind of, I guess, air buddies or whatever.

Speaker 2 I don't know if there's a term for it or whatever.

Speaker 4 I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He said it, tell you how. Oh, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 He's golfing. He is.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, he's just dang handsome, too.
That's a thing. I see that guy and I'm like, God, I got to get some conditioner or whatever.

Speaker 4 He is. He is a, he's a pretty one.

Speaker 3 God, he is. He's like a, um, and he used to be a cop, right?

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 4 He's a retired MYPD officer.

Speaker 3 And did you, uh, you guys ever played cops and robbers or anything like that?

Speaker 4 No, but what last year or two years ago for Halloween, I got, I wore his uniform and I made him be a donut.

Speaker 2 And it was awesome.

Speaker 4 Because he's super fit and doesn't even eat donuts. And I was like, I'm going to be a cop and you're going to be a donut.
And he He was like that's just cliche. That's stupid.

Speaker 4 I was like no, it's awesome

Speaker 4 He was pouting the whole time.

Speaker 2 He was like I don't want to be a donut

Speaker 3 Dude, everybody wants to be a donut

Speaker 3 I Can't even imagine not wanting to be a donut Yeah, I've all I think everybody's always just wanted to sit in a box with 11 of their buddies You know

Speaker 4 Well, it's funny because that whole like cliche or whatever, but I was like, oh, yeah. And I was worried I wouldn't fit in his uniform, but I did.

Speaker 2 Thank God.

Speaker 4 So I was like, I can't fit in this uniform. We have bigger issues.

Speaker 4 like this is gonna be a problem yeah it was fun my dad's my whole family is first responders and so is his family so we had that in common right away oh sweet yep yeah did you guys ever has he ever like tased or anything like that or is that a crazy crazy thing no no and he has handcuffs and i'm like that that would be the one time that the key was gone like we're not i'm ever doing that never it's not it's not gonna happen yeah we got tased one time oh if you're ever in shreveport or whatever and you're i guess have some free time or whatever, they will, they'll tase you there.

Speaker 3 The officer's there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for, yeah, for, there's not a lot to do there, I guess. And, but yeah, they'll do it.

Speaker 4 I grew up like right, like an hour from Shreveport.

Speaker 2 Oh, you did?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I used to play over there in little bars and

Speaker 4 casinos coming up. I actually had my 21st birthday in Shreveport.
No. That's pretty red.

Speaker 3 Where did you guys go?

Speaker 2 We had a casino?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we were at Samstown, I think. My grandma was a VIP there because she spends a lot of money on the slots.
So she got the limo and all that.

Speaker 4 And I went with my grandma on her friends for my 21st birthday.

Speaker 3 And her friends?

Speaker 2 Her friends.

Speaker 4 They're wild though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They were wild.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. A lot of these seniors now, you can't, well, you see them in the pools and everything, and they have those weights, and they're just doing it all.

Speaker 3 Every time I see seniors, they're just getting crazier and crazier. Do they have a senior citizen dating website, I wonder?

Speaker 4 I don't know, but my grandma's, my granddad would just give her like allowance, like stay out of my hair money. And so she would just go blow it at the casino.
It's the best.

Speaker 3 Was she one of those grandmas that, like at the end of the year, they buy all the Christmas gifts? Oh, yeah. And they all say like Sam's Town or whatever on the back.

Speaker 4 And she would always like buy and then wrap them and forget that she did it. You know what I mean? And she would be like, we'd open the present.
She'd be like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I don't know when I bought that or what it is.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, they used to tase us over there, man.

Speaker 2 It's real weird.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was kind of crazy. But I think

Speaker 3 you can get a taser now. Like, you can even get one on Timu that also like beats eggs and stuff.
Like, there's everything. They just have everything now, you know.

Speaker 4 I don't think I want to be tased.

Speaker 3 You know, I'll say this honestly. It wasn't, it was way easier than I thought.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm glad you took one for the team.

Speaker 2 I'm glad that's over with.

Speaker 4 Settled.

Speaker 3 So, your 21st birthday, you guys went over there. Was that like the biggest city close to you guys?

Speaker 4 We're at between Dallas and Treport. So, like I-20, my little hometown, Lindale, Texas, is like the halfway point where you like stop for gas and burger king.
You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 So, i i was there a lot and dallas was dallas was our like city oh yeah yeah what was your first uh job over there um i worked at bells

Speaker 4 oh my first singing gig no your first like human job like my first like my first big girl job well i started i worked at this little department store called bells for like the christmas season they hired me to wrap presents which i'm terrible at

Speaker 4 so then they were like these presents are terrible so they put me in the back room to like sort things and i only lasted two weeks i was like i just started singing and playing i was 17 but i needed like i was not making any money i was like starving musician and so i would tried for that like you know that like holiday season extra money and realized quickly like i've got to make the music business work because this is not for me because that's not it no it was just not I wasn't good at anything else.

Speaker 3 So I was like, yeah, if they put you in the back to sort, that's not even.

Speaker 4 I know it couldn't even be, well, because someone lady asked me, like, does this look good on me? And I told her my truth. I was like, not really.
They're like, that's not how it works.

Speaker 4 You kind of have to lie.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm trying to think if I, well, I used to work at a pizza parlor for a while and we got laid. There were

Speaker 3 cutbacks there or whatever. And I don't know how there could be cutbacks.
It's like there was four of us working there, but I guess they had like cutbacks or whatever. So a couple of us got laid off.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 I wonder if I ever worked at a department store.

Speaker 4 I couldn't work around pizza. I just, I love it too much.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. We had the pizza inn.
In your town? In downtown. Yep.
And had the salad bar and had little corn dogs on it. And I was really happy about that.

Speaker 3 They put corn dogs on the salad bar?

Speaker 2 I love a salad bar.

Speaker 3 That's unprecedented. Oh, I love a salad bar.
Pizza Hut used to have a great one. Do you remember? Pizza Hut.

Speaker 4 It was like Pizza Hut, but like small town brand Pizza Inn.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, Pizza Inn. Same thing.
Did they throw the pizza in the air or not?

Speaker 2 No. No.
Nobody knows how to do that.

Speaker 4 Now I know. I've actually seen it in real time now because my husband is from New York City.
So I've had like legit pizza now.

Speaker 4 Not pizza in.

Speaker 3 Oh, we had a place, I'm trying to think what it was called. And but they had a big window there.

Speaker 3 And some dude, I think he was a magician, but they gave him like daytime work throwing those pizzas in the air because I think it just fit in people's heads. Like, oh, that's magic.

Speaker 2 And so hard.

Speaker 3 Oh, he was, I think he really got the hang of it. And it was awesome.
People would come from miles around to watch him.

Speaker 3 You know, you'd see kids just out there just licking lollipops, just staring at him, looking at this doe wizard.

Speaker 4 Small town entertainment is pretty simple.

Speaker 4 It's easy to come up with.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. When the fair came to town, that was always exciting.
We could go to the fair a day before, and for 50 cents, you could, you were kind of a guinea pig.

Speaker 3 They didn't tell you that, but it was like, come on over, and you can do a ride for 50 cents.

Speaker 3 So we lived right down the street from the fairgrounds, so we'd walk down there, dude, and you would just get rattled, electrocuted.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't trust small town fair rides.

Speaker 4 I just don't.

Speaker 3 And I think that's probably a wise choice for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 How you seem like a thrill tracer because you got tased and you ride the 50-cent ride.

Speaker 2 Like you're just going for it.

Speaker 3 I've been in some bad relationships. Yeah, maybe I'm a thrill chaser, you know.
I think, yeah, if you stack all those things up.

Speaker 3 How does a guy, this is news. So how does, because your husband was just like a regular police officer, right?

Speaker 3 How does a regular police officer meet

Speaker 3 a celebrity comfortably? Do you, is that a weird thing to ask, kind of?

Speaker 4 No, I mean, honestly, like

Speaker 4 we're kind of from the same fabric. So it was the weirdest part of it all is the language barrier at first, honestly, because he has New York accent and you hear mine.

Speaker 4 So it was like any of my southern phrases, any of the like redneck stuff I say, he's like, well, I don't understand what you're saying. So, but we just met, we met by chance, literally on the street.

Speaker 4 And like, and six years later, it worked out.

Speaker 3 But was was there moments where he was like you know this is like because I feel like if I'm a regular guy say if I met you know Julia Roberts or

Speaker 3 trying to think of somebody else Queen Elizabeth or something and I'm trying to date them I would I wonder if there would be moments in my head where I'm like what how do I do this like you know do I put on a special cologne like what do how do I

Speaker 2 just because there's Brendan does wear the polo like the old school one oh he does

Speaker 2 oh yeah that green bottle with the little gold red one I don't know if I've seen that one that might be the sport.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Maybe it is.

Speaker 3 Remember when Sport came out? Yeah. Oh, ever.

Speaker 4 Did you ever wear cool water?

Speaker 3 No, I didn't. I think you did.
No,

Speaker 3 some of the fancier kids kind of did. Guys that had like game with women wore it.

Speaker 4 That's why I was like, did you, are you lying? Did you wear the cool water? Say it.

Speaker 3 I didn't have game with women. I was like, I was always the guy who like would like would help my buddy open all the Valentine's.

Speaker 3 Like on Valentine's in school, they would have like the key club or whatever would come in and if somebody bought you a valentine they'd give them all out in the room at the same time so my buddy would get like 11 of them and i wouldn't get any but he'd let me like hold a couple of them on my on my desk or whatever feel good yeah and it's like hey hold wasn't it like wasn't it like the one where you give everybody in the class one so everybody feels love oh when we were kids but when it got in a junior high it got like okay somebody had to go

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 3 And you would get him and he would just have a stack of them. He looked like the damn best.

Speaker 4 You're going to get so many Valentines now. It's going to be weird because you talk about that.

Speaker 2 That's a good point, huh?

Speaker 3 yeah valentines were nice my mom wouldn't get us like something that she would like leave by our like bed or something in the morning like uh that was pretty sweet though um

Speaker 3 but yeah was there ever a moment where he was just like where it just seemed like nerd like he's like i'm a regular guy and you're you're a regular person but then there's always like a i think there's a fear in like a regular guy's head of like how you would behave around a celebrity i guess i think um does it make any sense yeah and it definitely is an adjustment adjustment to like just jump into country music world and move to Nashville.

Speaker 4 I mean, he like retired, you know, he was eight years on the department and he like sort of made the choice. We made the choice together of like, we got to be together, you know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, to trade your gun in for a harmonica or whatever is a big deal.

Speaker 4 I think, um, well, thank God he didn't because I don't know if you, he's, he loves music. He's not necessarily musical.
He did write a song on my new record.

Speaker 4 He's a co-writer on a song on my new record. Yeah.
I had him writing during 2020.

Speaker 4 We were all doing anything during 2020.

Speaker 2 Just like fake.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, if cops are writing songs, yeah.

Speaker 4 I was like, let's write songs. And so we did.
And he was pretty good.

Speaker 4 And I guess because I mean, growing up in New York City and like being a cop on the street in Times Square, like you have a lot of life lived, you know.

Speaker 4 And so this record, he has a co-write on my song called Damn It Randy. And he had some of the best lines in the song.
Really? Yeah. So he.

Speaker 3 Oh, wait, I've heard that one, like in a hurricane.

Speaker 4 That was his line.

Speaker 2 Nuh.

Speaker 4 Flying a cot in a hurricane. I was like, dang it.

Speaker 2 That is a good line.

Speaker 4 It is a good line.

Speaker 4 But yeah, you know, I think that like all the celebrity part out of it, I don't care about that stuff, you know? So it just made it,

Speaker 4 we're just real and regular. And like, like I said, both being from first responder families, like we kind of grew up the same.
It was some glue. Different places.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to inspire like regular men out there to think that they could handle it.

Speaker 4 If they met a celebrity person in that world, world that they everything could be cool they can and you know what it's like i'm such a big stickler of like don't surround yourself with yes people and so having a husband that's just a regular guy like just

Speaker 4 being a cop in new york city and like come he comes into my world but he tells me the truth he like calls me on my he tells me the truth he doesn't sugarcoat he sees everything for what it is and i really appreciate that like there's the fact that he's not in my industry at all and just really kind of is a straight shooter.

Speaker 4 It's like, it's such a blessing to have in my life.

Speaker 4 And so I'm glad that I married somebody that just like is, is that way, that is just a regular blue-collar guy that sort of comes in and enhances my world and speaks a lot of truth into my life.

Speaker 4 So y'all go, all y'all regular dudes, go, go get it. We need you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we need you.

Speaker 3 That's a great call.

Speaker 4 He also married like a country singer and a horse girl. And so, I mean, he signed up for a lot.
Yeah. Because horse girls are like, we're a different breed.

Speaker 3 Like, oh, yeah, dude. I just met, I went to a therapy place for like a week and they had horses out there.
And one of the therapists, like, worked with the horses.

Speaker 3 She was like the horse therapist lady or whatever. Like the.

Speaker 4 It's amazing.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And so, like, she had me out there hugging this big old horse.
I don't think, I don't know what his name was.

Speaker 4 I've done that too, the equine therapy. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 Like, I thought it was crazy, but it's really neat.

Speaker 4 It teaches you so much. Like, where they're like, put your hand where you feel like the, put your hand where you feel most drawn to the horse and like immediately put my hand on its heart.

Speaker 2 I didn't even know where a horse heart was.

Speaker 4 Now that I think about it, like I was like, I don't know where it is in that huge shy chest, you know? It's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 Oh, I had to take the horse. I was trying to take his pulse, and I had to do it with both of my hands, like that.
Like, yeah, horses are crazy. They just got like 60 inches of neck on them.

Speaker 3 Um, but yeah, it was kind of wild because at first she's like, Okay, approach the horse and let it know you're okay. So that I'm like four feet from this horse.

Speaker 3 I think his name was Knuckles or like Mitten or something. And

Speaker 3 I'm like, hey, horse, I'm just letting you know I'm here.

Speaker 3 Like it was almost like meeting an alien because I just never even been around a horse like in that much like proximity, like just me and a horse in a pen.

Speaker 3 And, but by the end, I got to take the horse for a walk and stuff. And I felt like it was cool because at first I was super nervous.
And as I went along, it kind of like,

Speaker 3 yeah, I kind of like

Speaker 3 my idol came down.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You know? And that, they're so therapeutic, just being around them in general.
But, like, they're just majestic creatures.

Speaker 4 And I heard this, I think they can hear your heartbeat from like five miles away or something.

Speaker 3 Oh my God, pervert.

Speaker 2 Crazy.

Speaker 2 That's crazy, dude.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's eavesdropping.

Speaker 4 I know, but they could sense everything. It's like they tell you the truth about you before you even know your own truth.
You're like,

Speaker 4 I didn't grow up around horses. I didn't start till I was 30.
And I just wanted to do something that scared me a little. And I always wanted to be with that cowgirl.

Speaker 4 Like, I used to play all the rodeos back in the day and like singing the national anthem and small town rodeos when i was first getting started and all those like flag girls and the barrel racers with all the glitter and fringe i wanted to be that so bad and i chose country music and so i was like at 30 i was like i'm gonna be a cowgirl damn it i'm gonna do this and so i started riding for the first time at 30 and now i'm really super into it.

Speaker 4 I love it. But I was, I mean, I'm still like, I'm green.
I don't know what I'm doing, but I just love like having a hobby completely outside of what I do.

Speaker 4 That's challenging and physically challenging. And also, it's like not up to you.
It's up to them, you know?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, dude. It is like, that's the dang Lord's Uber, dude, being on a horseback.

Speaker 4 The Lord's Uber.

Speaker 3 Bro, you get on a horse, it is not, it's like kind of up to you because they give you these little strings. You're like, these strings are not going to do anything against this horse.

Speaker 4 No, like that, I just saw that pull up on the screen. My, um, my horse, Cool.
I started mounted shooting. Oh, his name's Cool? His name's Cool.

Speaker 4 and i started mounted shooting uh last december and what does that mean mounted shooting so like shooting a revolver with black powder off the back of the horse at a balloon it's super fun it's it's spectator safe and the horses wear earplugs just fyi the horses do they do they wear earplugs and the the gun has black powder in it and so you do these patterns and you go like 100 miles an hour i don't yet i'm trying to get there um and you shoot at balloons my friend kinda lonsein she's like the world champion and she kinda Lonsane, bring her up.

Speaker 4 She's a badass. Like she has taken me under her wing and taught me so much about it.
I've never even heard of this.

Speaker 3 So it's called mounted shooting. So you started.

Speaker 2 There she is.

Speaker 3 Let's see that.

Speaker 2 That's her. She's a beautiful.

Speaker 3 I'll let her shoot me. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 She probably would. Really? She'd probably taste you if you wanted her to.

Speaker 3 Look, she can shoot me in the belt buckle and see if my pants drop. You know what I'm saying, baby? That's where I'm at with her.

Speaker 4 She's a buckle shiner.

Speaker 3 She's a, but she's really great at it. So wait, explain it to me.
I've never even heard of this.

Speaker 4 It's, it's so fun. So you have two revolvers, it's and you have five shots in each and you're on the horse.
It's a gun belt, you're on the horse, and it's a timed event. So like

Speaker 4 come out of the gate and like she does it in like 7.5 seconds, which I'm still learning to ride good enough. So I

Speaker 3 quick shot. I'm in a game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, see, so you're shooting, you're shooting at a

Speaker 4 pattern of balloons and you're timed on the event. And you do five shots in a gun change.

Speaker 4 So while you're riding 100 miles an hour, you're having to shoot, aim, switch your gun, go around a barrel, go around a pattern. Like it's very challenging.

Speaker 4 Super fun, though. It's like the most adrenaline rush.

Speaker 3 It sounds like ADHD meets Yellowstone. Yeah, it is.
But it sounds beautiful. Wow.
It is called mounted shooting.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's fascinating. And so do you get to try that? So you have your own horse.
That was nice to get, wasn't that?

Speaker 4 I bought a horse.

Speaker 4 I was one of those, like, I did it once and loved it so much. I was like, I'm going to winter in Arizona.
I'm buying the horse. I'm buying the guns.
Like, I fully got into it.

Speaker 4 But I just, you know, I feel like at 30, I started riding. And then I turned 40 in November, last November.

Speaker 4 And I was like, all right, now's a new season to keep pushing myself and try something that's a little scary, but new and outside of my wheelhouse.

Speaker 3 Well, you look beautiful for 40.

Speaker 4 Well, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And yeah. I don't mean that in a flirtation.

Speaker 2 I just mean that in a complimentary way.

Speaker 4 I'll send you a Valentine.

Speaker 3 Okay, please do. Yeah.
Actually, your husband will get them.

Speaker 2 I'll sit there and hold something for him. Yeah.
He'd be like, hold these for me, dude.

Speaker 4 You're going to get so many. Watch and see.
It's going to be great.

Speaker 2 We'll see.

Speaker 4 All my friends have a crush on you, by the way. All my? Yes.
All my Nashville McGow pals.

Speaker 3 I'd love to meet any nice gal.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, I know some.

Speaker 3 I've been trying to be like, yeah, more like

Speaker 3 kind of like brave about just like dating and stuff, you know? Because I just get like, I start to get like turn into a little bit of a homebody sometimes.

Speaker 4 But home's so cozy.

Speaker 3 You know, it is cozy. Yeah.
But they say it's cozier with somebody, but then you're like, who is that person, though?

Speaker 4 You must be the rat person or you'd rather be by yourself.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, dude. I i don't want somebody just freaking bugging me and bothering me and wanting pancakes or whatever can you make pancakes

Speaker 2 no i can't we should learn because they're gonna want pancakes oh they are now

Speaker 4 yeah you're right yeah yeah okay let me they're like the little uh the little cute ones like my mom used to do like the mickey mouse one where she would like pour the batter in the shape of mickey mouse oh it was just epic right

Speaker 3 I don't know what oh our mom had like a one of those things and it would sit on the table and it had a little dial on it and it would heat the skillet like that And you plugged it in, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's like a,

Speaker 4 what do you call those things? Like a little iron, like a little skillet.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's kind of like a skillet, yeah. But you don't have to put it on the oven.

Speaker 2 The oven's built into it.

Speaker 3 And she, yeah, one time she did it, though, on like her wood table and it roasted like a little hole in it. And she got, we all got in, we got in trouble for it.
We didn't do.

Speaker 4 How dare y'all want pancakes and make me burn my table?

Speaker 3 How dare you want pancakes in my house?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I was like, well, dear.

Speaker 4 Well, that's why he went to the horse therapy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And

Speaker 2 it really really is full circle.

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Speaker 3 You got to tour with, and you have a new album out. I know that, and we're going to talk about it.

Speaker 3 What's one of your favorite songs off of your new album that you like performing? Because like

Speaker 3 with as a comedian, like there's jokes you like telling and then there's some jokes you're performing and it feels that it feels even more vibrant.

Speaker 3 Is there a song off of it that you really like performing?

Speaker 4 I mean, I just started doing some of them because I did, we did a little thing at my bar, Casa Rosa, which I think is the first time I've met you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's the first time I met you there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 At the opening.

Speaker 2 At the opening. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 We did the whole record, which was like, it's always fun to do. I've only done that one other time with my record revolution a long time ago.
So it was fun to like actually learn every song.

Speaker 4 And like, I didn't really know him that well. I had lyrics up there.
I had a little notebook, like old school. I was like, it's my first time to play these, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 But I think, I don't know, there's one on there called Armadilla. It's the first song on the record.
And my friend Aaron Reetier, I don't know if you you know him. He's a Nashville songwriter.

Speaker 4 And y'all should be friends because he's funny as hell and the funnest.

Speaker 3 And Aaron Raytier?

Speaker 4 Raytier. Raytier.
Yeah. And he sent me this song and it's just funny and quirky.
And

Speaker 4 so I don't know. That one's been fun to do live.
I've only done it a couple times, but it's fun.

Speaker 2 There he is right there.

Speaker 4 He's a Kentucky boy.

Speaker 3 Aaron Raytier. That's a cool name.

Speaker 3 You got to tour with Toby Keith before.

Speaker 2 I did. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 3 What was he like? What's Toby Keith like?

Speaker 4 That was one of my earliest tours. I was lucky enough, like, I went on so many, well, there weren't hardly any women touring back then.
Like,

Speaker 4 well, like, in country, there wasn't that many touring

Speaker 4 that much. I mean, in the early days, you got to play like 100 and 200 shows a year, you know?

Speaker 4 So I went out with all men for a long time and I learned so much from all of them. Like, Keith Irving was my first one, 2005.
And then, because I just just played honky tonks until then.

Speaker 4 And then Dirk Spentley and George. Toby, I think, was like my fourth big, like major country tour.
Yeah. And I learned a lot.
I mean, oh, gosh, old school. Look at that hair.

Speaker 4 That is like Findell Texas hair.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Little old school, tease it to Jesus. That's what we say.

Speaker 3 Oh, the Lord does my hair while I sleep.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 3 So even, yeah. Wow, that's cool.

Speaker 3 What was Toby like like what was he like i just never got to meet him i've gotten to meet some different artists that i'm a big fan of um but what was he like as a person he was really he was like

Speaker 4 he was himself you know what i mean like he was his like authentically himself kind of did everything his own way an outlaw in his own way prolific songwriter and you know he was he was kind of a tough love at first out on the road um

Speaker 4 but i guess i needed that because i was a baby and didn't know you know what was going on yet.

Speaker 4 I was learning all the ropes of everything, and it was, it was, I learned so much from every tour I was on, and I would say Toby was just like

Speaker 4 his fans taught me a lot too because they were really about Toby only.

Speaker 4 Like, you had to work to get them to care, you know, because they were like, We're here to see Toby, and he's his like outlaw kind of

Speaker 4 I am who I am mentality. They kind of adopted that, and I felt like it made me work for it in a good way.
Like I had to really

Speaker 4 figure out my set lists and figure out like there's, I'm just some little gal. They're not here to see me.
And if they're here early, I really need to, I'm here to gain fans. I got to work on that.

Speaker 3 You got to capture that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Did you get to interact with him before he passed away?

Speaker 4 I haven't, I did see him

Speaker 4 at the BMI awards when he got the Songwriter Legend Award a couple years ago. So it was right before he passed away.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And could you tell he he was sick then? I just, because it was, I knew people knew he was sick for a long time. He just didn't like put much out there about it.

Speaker 3 It seemed like it seemed like it was very private. But I guess who would want to, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Well, and I was, I mean, when he was there, he sounded great and he looked great.

Speaker 4 So, I mean, you know, that, that journey is like everybody's got to take that journey and however they feel comfortable and their family and all that stuff. But I know that he was,

Speaker 4 even at the end, like really about the music, you know, because the last big thing I saw him at was the BMIs and it was all about his catalog and i did not realize how many he wrote like 150 songs a year or something like crazy gosh like just prolific

Speaker 4 and i also didn't realize how many outside songs he cut like or that he had other artists cut of his huh until that ceremony is there ever a song where you write it and you think it's good but it's not for you a lot oh really

Speaker 4 a lot of times um

Speaker 4 yeah and i you know it's i'm thankful that some artists are still willing to cut outside songs. I'm one of those artists.

Speaker 3 You know, what does that mean that they're willing to cut outside songs?

Speaker 4 Like, like, you can't write every, you can't cut every song you ever write, you know?

Speaker 4 And so, for instance, Aaron sent me Armadillo, and I was like, I love this. I'm cutting it.
So, you know, I think it's important if you're a songwriter to have a balance of,

Speaker 4 we live in Nashville. Like, there's amazing songs written all day, every day in this town for years.
And I think it's cool when artists are not trying to write every song on their records.

Speaker 3 Oh, I see what you're saying because, at a certain point, it almost you're just able to help out more people by picking up songs that they've written, really.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and you know, like for my career, I mean, my biggest songs I wouldn't have if I would have tried to write everything.

Speaker 4 I mean, like, House That Built Me is a staple in my career, and that's I didn't write that. And Mama's Broken Heart, and Little Red Wagon.

Speaker 4 Like, I have some of the staples, drunk, some of the staples in my set that are my career staple songs are not songs I wrote. So I think it's good to keep the door open to like,

Speaker 4 you know, look around town, look where we live. This is amazing.

Speaker 3 Right. Yeah.
So many people. Yeah.
And you can't do things alone too. That's one thing I realized.
Like, kind of like as I get older, it's like, I used to want to do everything by myself.

Speaker 3 It was just like how I was wired. And it still is a lot of times, but it's certainly, it started to alleviate some where it's like, I got, I need help.

Speaker 3 I need people to do, and I need people to help me do things and, and I can help people do things. And then it's more fun to do something with somebody sometimes.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And it's like when you celebrate the highs with your friends because you all did it together, like a co-right, you know, it's fun.
Like collaborating is great.

Speaker 4 Nashville's such a good community for that. Like everybody's, I mean, you know, you live here, like everybody's so

Speaker 4 country music community is very collaborative and we lift each other up. We kind of stick together, you know, you don't have to.

Speaker 4 Do you think that's true i do think it's true for me it has been for 20 years and not that you have to love every single person you ever work with or in the business but oh yeah i feel like everybody's kind of in it for the same reason and there's a mutual respect there most times yeah

Speaker 4 yeah i guess but it's also competitive right yeah but i think that's also good you gotta like

Speaker 4 compete but i think there's a difference in

Speaker 4 my manager we've been together 21 years and um i just recently went on a birthday trip with her and one of her really good friends, who's born and raised in Belmede, her name's Elizabeth.

Speaker 4 And she said, there's a difference in wanting to win and wanting to beat everybody. And I thought that was really poignant.
I was like, that, that, it, because that's a different mindset.

Speaker 4 Like, it's okay to want to win and

Speaker 4 like compete and be on top. But I don't, I don't think you have to want to go into it going, I'm going to beat everybody.
Right. I'm just going to win at my race.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because that's almost, uh, it's almost vindicated. It's not vindicated, but it's almost,

Speaker 3 yeah, I'm trying to think of the word. It really almost has a negative edge to it.

Speaker 4 It does. And I don't feel like it.

Speaker 3 Because I want somebody to lose then. Right.

Speaker 4 Right. We can all win.

Speaker 2 We just got to run our own race. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Interesting. Yeah.
Thanks for thinking about that kind of stuff with me. Yeah, because I love songwriting.
Oh, in Nashville, anything can happen.

Speaker 3 Like, you'll drop a tomato at Trader Joe's and somebody will come up and have half a stanza written about it.

Speaker 2 That's great. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You get in a car accident and the guy gets out of the vehicle and he's already written a couple bars about the accident. And he's like, what do you think of these?

Speaker 3 And I'm like, what do you think about give me your insurance papers? You know?

Speaker 4 Well, that's a title, insurance papers.

Speaker 3 But it really is.

Speaker 4 What's in your glove box?

Speaker 2 That's a good song title.

Speaker 2 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what's in your glove box, dude? It better just be gloves, buddy.

Speaker 4 Yeah. If there's gloves, that's weird.
Why is it called a glove box?

Speaker 4 Now that we talked about it, it's even weirder if there's gloves in there.

Speaker 3 It is weirder now, isn't it?

Speaker 4 And it started off like... It's only supposed to be your insurance.

Speaker 3 Because people used to put the name is derived from the compartment's original purpose, storing driving gloves. Initially, the glove compartment was a box near the driver on the floorboard.

Speaker 3 Driving gloves were worn to keep hands clean and considered essential equipment in early vehicles.

Speaker 4 Driving gloves are important for women now, too, because our hands, they like keep you from aging because your hands are on the wheel.

Speaker 4 And like, I didn't know that, but like driving gloves are a thing.

Speaker 3 But why does it keep you from aging?

Speaker 4 Because the sun

Speaker 4 coming through the windshield, you wear like gloves while you drive so that the sun's not like getting on your hands.

Speaker 4 honey you're only driving a smyrna that ain't all that sunshine on them i don't know but i ride in gloves now because of that my horse i have my little gloves i'm like i don't want sun damage oh i thought you'd ride

Speaker 4 like i ride my horse i ride my horse with gloves on now because i'm like oh god i don't want aging hands there's so much to think about it's a full-time job oh yeah you don't want aging hands though no well because you can hide everything else but you can't just show up to something with mittens on for no reason no but dolly does wear those sheer gloves with the rhinestones and i'm kind of like really into that so that's a vibe vibe somebody said she's full body tatted too but whoever really knows the answer i don't know a couple men have to a couple for sure i mean i don't know how many i mean i know is she still married or not somebody yeah carl somebody knows and we're gonna have to get to the bottom of this does dolly have the tattoos or not somebody tell us somebody's seen that artwork brother it ain't me you know i ain't no people i hope she does that would even make her If it's possible for her to be more badass, that makes it more badass.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 if she came out with like in one of those ESPN where they do like the nude, like they're pushing a baby carriage, like, but they're naked or whatever.

Speaker 3 If she came out and she was full body tatted, dude, it would be crazy. Like Kat Von D, just totally, that'd be insane.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Tats are awesome.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You have them?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I got tats. I'm not like sleeved or anything because I don't know about the top, like the top of your arm, like as you age, like does it get weird? I don't know.

Speaker 4 So I just have them down here where they can't like swing at some point in my life.

Speaker 4 I have them on my forearms. I don't want like mama's tattoo arm.

Speaker 2 I don't need that.

Speaker 3 You get a chair, and then years later, it's a swing set.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh, that's a damn porch swing right there.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 4 You gotta be strategic.

Speaker 3 Um, is there an artist that passed away that, like, you really missed their music? You missed them. Is that a weird question?

Speaker 4 There's a bunch.

Speaker 3 Um, like one you knew, maybe even Haggard.

Speaker 4 Haggard, like, he was such a like my number one hero and i was really sad the day he died and like it i guess it was like the first kind of oh my god one of my heroes is gone you know feelings um i was lucky enough to get to sing with him and meet him and um know his family and so that was awesome in fact i just saw his family this past uh summer at the Playo State Fair and Ben Haggard and the family opened.

Speaker 4 But I just, I don't know. That was, Merle's merle's my like the number one you know

Speaker 4 yeah would you admire about him you think so much i think that you know he one of my favorite quotes is from johnny cash and he said i sing about the things that merle haggard actually lived

Speaker 4 because he literally turned 21 in prison like he told his truth like he didn't have a glamorous childhood or upbringing and he took his outlaw and sort of the um troubled times of his life his life turned them into songs and turned it into a beautiful career And every time I was ever around him, he's one of those heroes that like

Speaker 4 is exactly what you hope he would be, like a little mysterious, but super kind, you know? And

Speaker 4 it's always like, meet your heroes or not. It's scary because what if they're, what if they let you down? Yeah.
But he never did.

Speaker 4 Look at all these pictures they're bringing up, like, tease it to Jesus. I mean, look at the hair.
That is Texas hair, y'all.

Speaker 3 That's definitely a full crop. I mean, they got a lot of rain that summer.
I'll say that.

Speaker 3 That is for sure.

Speaker 3 What's a song that you put on? Like, say, like, everybody has songs when they want to feel something, right? So, like, you have like, man, I really want to feel something right now.

Speaker 3 Like, or I don't know. I do.
I'm kind of an emotion dude. So I'll put on like,

Speaker 3 like, I used to put on like

Speaker 3 Trace Atkins.

Speaker 3 Every light in the house is on, you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 4 You're going to say Trace Atkins. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, I told you that.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You want the big, deep voice.

Speaker 2 Like, you want to feel it. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Oh, I went through a breakup. Yeah, and I would sit on my porch and just smoke cigarettes.
I don't even, I don't even smoke.

Speaker 4 Well, everybody smokes when they break up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 I would just smoke and I'd play that on repeat till my neighbors were like, what?

Speaker 2 Turn off the light or whatever.

Speaker 3 We can't handle it anymore.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 Nobody in His Right Mind by George Strait.

Speaker 2 I haven't even heard it. It's so good.

Speaker 4 It's one of my favorite George Strait songs. But it's just like a heartbreaker.
Or like, I don't know. I love country.
Like, I truly, like,

Speaker 4 my go-to is country. Old country is like my jam.
Um,

Speaker 4 and George Straight, we call him the king for a reason. So it's a great song.

Speaker 3 Nobody in his right mind would have a left.

Speaker 4 Nobody in his right mind would have left, or even my heart was smart enough to stay behind.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 3 God, put my fucking feelings in a wheelbarrow.

Speaker 4 We need to go to that horse therapy place immediately.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what else would I listen? Oh, Lee Bryce's, I drive your truck.

Speaker 2 That one's oh man.

Speaker 4 My friend Jesse Alexander wrote that song. Really? Yes, she did.
And she's amazing. She wrote it.
I don't know who she wrote it with, but I know she wrote it.

Speaker 3 That's a great song.

Speaker 4 She, yeah. Oh, it's so good.
And Lee's, Lee's delivery is like insane. See, it's, but that's a song that he didn't write.

Speaker 2 Right. Right.

Speaker 3 And that's why it takes a group. It's like, but you also, if he doesn't perform it, if somebody else does, who knows if it works the same? It could.

Speaker 4 It all has to land in the right basket, right?

Speaker 3 Like the right song finds the right artist at the right time yeah you know yeah the house that built me too i had uh i saw some that talk the the writers of that song um

Speaker 4 it took them like they wrote that song for like seven years alan chamblin and tom douglas yes it they rewrote it and rewrote it it's seven years of writing it but i'm that is such a lesson like i'm not good at that at all like i'm Like, I'm kind of millennial about my, like, I know, I want to come into this co-write today and then I'm going to leave with a song.

Speaker 4 Like, in you know, four hours, you get a song, or two hours, or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 I don't know that I could have stuck with it for seven years, yeah. With a lesson to all of us to like be patient till it's right.

Speaker 4 That song is like perfectly written, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 They made like a real sistine chapel with that one, dude. I remember it's kind of weird, maybe, but like I grew up in like a pretty traumatic youth, you know, and uh,

Speaker 3 and I heard that song

Speaker 3 this a couple years ago, maybe two years ago, it was like Christmas time. time i was in my

Speaker 3 town where i grew up and

Speaker 3 i went and got like an orchid or whatever from a uh flower place and i took it back to the place that i grew up at and i went

Speaker 3 this sounds really bizarre now i wasn't doing peep and time or anything it was like i i knocked on the door and i gave him that i was like

Speaker 4 i think that's really cool yeah i said something nice should grow here that's what i said when i gave him that that's a song you said that to a songwriter so it was interesting i have to write it down but honestly i but it's funny that what a song can do to somebody yes because that's i didn't write that song but i was like how did they know my story like yeah but my guitar player that was with me for forever since i was 17 we lost him two years ago but he said i that is that song hits me because it's what i wish i had

Speaker 4 and that sounds like what you're talking about like and i never thought about it from that perspective oh he wish he'd have had those things

Speaker 4 that built him right but he didn't have like a healthy childhood and yeah so you know but i i just i love a song like that and the fact that they waited it out and just stayed with it is like

Speaker 3 goals i gotta work on it i gotta work on it yeah that is yeah yeah who knows like what things and that's what's thing the one thing that's nice about life it's like you don't know the little things you're doing now how they'll merge with like the things you're doing later on, and it'll how it'll help you form like wherever you're supposed to be.

Speaker 3 Like sometimes it's so hard to get through

Speaker 3 just the moment, you know, but you don't realize that the moments are the stairs that are going to get you to the place you're supposed to stand, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Um,

Speaker 3 anyway, sorry, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. And those people must have thought I was bad shit crazy.

Speaker 4 No, but it's not. Like the house I grew up in was an old tobacco farm, and it was a house built in 1905.

Speaker 4 And it was just a farmhouse no central heat and air one bathroom like

Speaker 4 not like like a farmhouse like we didn't have a lot growing up but people constantly stopped by there specifically older people seniors and were like

Speaker 4 you know I they would cry they would just be standing on the front porch crying and I was like 10 like hiding behind my mom going like trying to eavesdrop and like what are they saying you know that they had so many memories there and those handprints were there that's why i thought when i heard the song i was like have they been eavesdropping on my whole whole life?

Speaker 4 Like, because it was such an old farmhouse. It had so many stories in it.
And it touched so many people's lives, you know?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I think that's one thing that's amazing about art is that it can do that.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think you could, it's just powerful, you know, that the beats and the words and you put it all together the right way and it unlocks something.

Speaker 4 It does. And it's like, everybody feels like, okay, I'm not alone in this world.
And this is, this, whatever's happening to me, good, bad, or ugly, I'm not not the only one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's the beauty of a song or any art really truly, but especially songs. I love I'm I'm I'm in awe of songs.
I'm a songwriter.

Speaker 3 I'm a song lover a music lover like especially country ones because we just tell it tell the sad truths no matter what like you get in your feels you know oh yeah so what do you listen to when you're like wanting to like rage or like rock out or i mean i'll put them before well i mean before i go on stage i listen to uh fgl dirt it's a little up tempo for me but it's also kind of kind of chill yeah and like down home and grounding and then i'll put on a little bit of boosty badass and listen to him so i'll turn it the other way you know i might even go some sexy red or something like that i don't go anything too crazy i mean sometimes i'll put on maybe like sound garden or like um

Speaker 3 uh I've been listening to Stephen Wilson Jr. recently

Speaker 4 with that record.

Speaker 3 God, it's so good.

Speaker 4 Golly, it's great. I actually have a rap coming up with him.

Speaker 4 Dude, yeah.

Speaker 3 we read a wear.

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 4 It's like hard not. I wrote with him and Natalie Hemby recently, and we wrote this song called, Well, the hook is, I don't want to see the movie if the dog dies.

Speaker 4 Like, all of us are sitting there crying. It was just like the most magical rat.
And it was Stephen's idea, obviously, shows up with that. Yeah.
And my dogs were there, and they're seniors.

Speaker 4 And I was like, oh, God.

Speaker 2 And they're scared.

Speaker 3 They're like, let's go finish the song.

Speaker 2 No, he's so great.

Speaker 4 I love him. But I also love that he said Soundgarden because mine is Audio Slave.
Like, that's my.

Speaker 3 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Girl, what do you wear while you listen to it?

Speaker 4 People are like, what do you, what people will be surprised to know about you? I'm like, I'm a huge audio slave.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I just like, nail in my hand.

Speaker 4 I just get all ragey.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Female rage is a thing, you know. It's like my bread and butter.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I definitely notice that some of it's in you, you know? And yeah, I've been victim of it for sure, dude. I've got a couple angry women in my text, in my D, in my dang.

Speaker 4 And you ding dang DMs.

Speaker 3 In my ding-dang DMs, yeah. But

Speaker 3 yeah, it is. It's just interesting how a song will get you activated or get you ready for like a certain moment or something.
Did you ever have to play at a funeral or anything?

Speaker 3 Do you ever get asked to do something?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 4 I can't. Like, I'm not good at it at all.
I just, I get too emotional.

Speaker 3 Did you ever have to or not?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I had to sing at my grandma's and I had to sing at a friend that was like my age. That was the worst one.
Oh, God.

Speaker 3 Is that the first one you ever ever had?

Speaker 4 It was the first, like,

Speaker 4 like reality check, like teen years

Speaker 4 high school friend. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 And her family asked me to sing and I did, but it was, it was just one of the hardest things I've ever done. I, I really, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 So I, I, but you know, when you're given a gift, like, what are you going to say? I'm not going to use it to celebrate someone that was amazing. You have to do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, get on up there, Miranda.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Whoo, Florida.

Speaker 3 Oh, my good God.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man. Oh, one time I was at a funeral and some, uh, the person that sang, it was a girl, and she was so nervous.
She started singing the Star-Spangled Banner.

Speaker 2 On accident? Yeah. Oh, man.

Speaker 4 Well, you shouldn't sing that.

Speaker 3 Somebody had to go and grab and kind of grab her.

Speaker 4 Hardly anyone should sing that. Hardly, let's just talk about it.
It's time to go.

Speaker 3 Especially if Kenny's right there in the casket and she's just like, oh.

Speaker 3 People were like, we can't even be here right now.

Speaker 4 Honestly, like, there's like four people on earth that should sing that song. And that's it.

Speaker 3 And she made it to like this. And people waited.
And some people started going like this.

Speaker 4 No, no, yeah, because part of it is just-I just feel so uncomfortable right now. I'm gonna go down those spiral stairs and leave forever right now.

Speaker 4 There's only just thinking about it.

Speaker 2 Oh, and they only go up.

Speaker 3 A lot of us were like, What?

Speaker 2 I thought,

Speaker 3 What happened? He wasn't even in the service. No, the whole thing got really confusing, man.
I've been at some weird funerals. My dad was 70 when I was born.

Speaker 3 He was an older man, and so he had to get me a suit for a funeral one time, right? And it was around Halloween.

Speaker 3 he got me a beetle juice costume like the pinstrap and like a costume version though like not even it what i don't even know if it was real textiles they just think you were like stylish or i don't i don't even know if it was real textiles or whatever but anyway i so i go to this funeral dude in a dang beetle juice costume bro and i guess it was kind of hip how old were you i was probably 11 or 12.

Speaker 4 so like already awkward years so that didn't help it was horrible.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But, you know, I guess that's what happens when you send a senior citizen to the,

Speaker 3 it wasn't Rite Aid back then. It was called KMB, it was a store they had that had them a couple of costumes over there.
But God, it was, yeah, that was too much.

Speaker 3 But yeah, anyway, funerals are a lot.

Speaker 2 Yes, they are. So sorry I brought that up.

Speaker 4 I was like, I don't have anything to say to that. I'm sorry about that.
It seems terrible.

Speaker 3 I heard a rumor that you got to meet Gypsy Rose when she was a make-a-wish kid. Is that true? I did.

Speaker 4 I met her several times.

Speaker 3 Do you remember it? Yep.

Speaker 4 There's a lot. There's, look at that hair, that crunchy hair.
I got that Aussie scrunch spray going in my hair.

Speaker 3 The hair's coming along.

Speaker 3 These photos go for you.

Speaker 2 Yes. I've met her several times.

Speaker 4 Super, super sweet girl.

Speaker 3 And what was her mother like?

Speaker 4 Like, I believed her.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, I did. Like when all that came out, I was freaking out.

Speaker 3 That's what I was wondering. How did you feel?

Speaker 3 Was somebody just tell you oh my god do you see what just happened yeah like somebody texted me and was like have you seen this documentary i'm like what what's happening and i'm now i've been down all the rabbit holes of it i'm like in it i'm 100 now she's pregnant i watched all the things but like she's seems to be thriving so yeah i mean she's had a crazy child who was crazy like that's what i'm just saying i can't even imagine how crazy it was like if something like that would because you have these moments in your life you're being supportive of somebody they're dealing with a disease a syndrome.

Speaker 3 And then...

Speaker 4 But it was real to her. I mean.

Speaker 2 Oh, totally.

Speaker 4 So she was a child.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 She was a baby child.

Speaker 3 But then suddenly it'd be like a national thing. And you're like, what is going on?

Speaker 4 I can't believe I was part of that. But I'm, you know, you don't know at the time and neither did she.
So

Speaker 2 it was just like,

Speaker 4 you know, her, I mean, her mom worked the system and it worked because we have all met her, like the whole country music community. Like, ask any of us.
Oh, she was. She was part of it.
She was in it.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 3 She was hobnobbing.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 3 A lot of us. That gets kind of crazy, too, sometimes, you know?

Speaker 3 But if that's what the child loves or something. But she did.

Speaker 4 And Gypsy was very genuine. Really, truly.

Speaker 3 That's just such a crazy. I heard that.
I was like, this can't be true. It's just so crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Have you reached out? Have you guys, has she reached out to you since?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 that was so long ago. She might have just put all that behind her, which I would if I were her, you know, the whole thing.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Some of y'all's songs are so good.
I don't know how you could put it all behind you.

Speaker 4 Well, we'll see if she comes to a show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there we go, dude.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's just a crazy thing that I heard. So I was like, is this the truth or not? It's the truth.

Speaker 4 It's on Google. It's got to be true.

Speaker 3 Well, now, you know, Chat GPT is kind of getting better than Google because there's not advertising on it.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. My brother is like super smart.
Like really a techie. And he's telling me all about this stuff.
When he first said it, I was like, who's Chad? He kept talking about Chad.

Speaker 4 And I was like, who's Chad?

Speaker 4 And then he asked it to write a song at Father's Day. We had Father's Day in New York with my husband's family.
We're sitting around. You know, it's like forced family fun.

Speaker 4 You have to like think of things to do. Yeah.
And so my brother's like, I'm going to ask Chad to write a Miranda Lambert song. And I was like, okay.

Speaker 4 And it did.

Speaker 4 And it did have a melody, but it just the lyrics. And it was called Whiskey and Wildflowers.
And it was kind of good. I was like, oh, God.
Oh, God. My career's over.
It's happening.

Speaker 4 Do I get a royalty? Will it go on tour? Tell me all the answers.

Speaker 3 Chad GBT. There it is, dude.
That's definitely the redneck.

Speaker 2 There it is.

Speaker 3 The redneck version of Chad GBT is Chad.

Speaker 4 That's what I thought. I was like, who's Chad? He was like, I'm saying Chad.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 And it's like, how do you get to New York City? You put in there and it's like, how much gas money you got? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 I know. Like, it has a different voice.
Like, it has like a

Speaker 2 hick voice. That would be funny.

Speaker 3 That'd be great. Having Chad GPT.

Speaker 2 That would be so good.

Speaker 3 Hey, Chad.

Speaker 3 How do I fix this two-stroke motor, Bub?

Speaker 3 That'd be so good, dude. Somebody has to come up with that.
Yeah, whiskey and wildfire sitting on the porch, sun sinking low, memories of you like a river flow.

Speaker 3 Your laugh still lingers in the evening air, but love's a wild ride.

Speaker 4 Why is it supposed to talk about drinking when it's my song?

Speaker 3 And I'm holding it.

Speaker 4 You're judgy. Chad's judgy.

Speaker 3 And then the pre-chorus got a bottle in my hand and a heart full of scars.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 That sounds like Trace Atkinson.

Speaker 3 Well, it also sounds like you're a pirate. So that's the crazy part.

Speaker 4 It's so stressful.

Speaker 3 But this is also like Chad GPT is a newborn. You have to think in a few years, if it starts to really get like the ability to do some stuff.

Speaker 3 But I don't know if it would ever take over like the human ability to feel and stuff and actually create music that's based on real feelings.

Speaker 4 I don't think it would. That's really cool.
And that's the, you know, it's all weird. Whatever.
I'm trying to stay hip and cool, but it's, it's weird.

Speaker 3 But I'm not going to be that hip and cool. That's weird.
Why don't you have feelings anymore? Right. Like if you go to a museum to see feelings, like somebody's smiling behind a piece of glass.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh, remember that?

Speaker 4 Remember that? Oh, there's a tear.

Speaker 4 This is a fossilized tear. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That you're looking at. Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 We don't even have those anymore. Yeah, I'm on the pill that makes us you can't cry.

Speaker 3 Remember when people had those? But that could be a real thing one day.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 4 But maybe it'll be, we'll be long gone and doing something else by then, hopefully.

Speaker 3 I hope I'm in the dang stars are definitely just, I don't know. I hope something happens to me.

Speaker 3 I hope I'm in a dang time capsule.

Speaker 3 Well, you lived in Nashville and Texas for a bit. What was Nashville,

Speaker 3 how has Nashville changed over the years to you?

Speaker 4 It's popular now. Like,

Speaker 4 everybody wants to come here. It's the city, which is awesome.
I think, like,

Speaker 4 the fact that country music is thriving right now and our town is a destination.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 4 Because these honky-tonks have been here for ages and kind of like, it's the music of our lives, you know, of my life. And so people are wanting to get a little glimpse of it.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I don't love that the roads aren't really made for all these people yet, but we'll get there.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Some of these roads are damn homemade too. I'm like, what is somebody?

Speaker 3 You see somebody just put a damn cake batter in a pothole out there, you know? Yeah. It's just people are filling with anything.
I drove through something the other day.

Speaker 2 Cake batter.

Speaker 3 Oh, I drove. Yeah, people are using anything to fill them now.
There's so many potholes, especially in January around that time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I drove through something the other day and and had damn devil's food all over my tires. I was like, shit's getting weird out here.

Speaker 4 Was it Dolly's brownie mix? I don't know how

Speaker 2 good Dolly has.

Speaker 4 The Duncan Hines brownie mix.

Speaker 4 Dolly has everything. And I bought them.
Of course, I bought them.

Speaker 2 And I was like, there it is.

Speaker 4 Of course, I bought them. Oh, good.

Speaker 2 Because they don't have like oil in them.

Speaker 4 You know how the box brownies have oil? Nope. She has milk and eggs and butter, like real ingredients.

Speaker 3 They're delicious. I love that.
Dude, what I used to love was whenever our mom would make something, dude, and she would let us lick those things that were in the raw egg.

Speaker 4 She let you lick the beaters.

Speaker 3 Lick them beaters, boy.

Speaker 2 Beaters.

Speaker 4 Now they're called kitchen mixers.

Speaker 4 But my mom had like the Walmart brand beaters.

Speaker 3 Yeah, kitchen mixers is a little bisexual for me, okay? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Them things. My husband has the KitchenAid, and he's obsessed with it.
He does all of the things. He makes homemade pasta.
He has all the...

Speaker 4 The every accessory you can have for a KitchenAid. He's like in it.

Speaker 3 He's in there.

Speaker 4 He's not doing like old school beaters.

Speaker 3 We don't even have those. Put them beaters on there, honey.

Speaker 4 Well, it was like, your mom was like, don't eat too much of it because it's raw eggs.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And we'd be like,

Speaker 3 bro, and the crazy thing was some of the, whatever was in it, I mean, we'd eat them.

Speaker 4 It's like that grainy stuff.

Speaker 2 Daniels.

Speaker 3 It had a little bit of, like, yeah, it had like, I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2 Who cared? You didn't even give a damn.

Speaker 3 But the crazy part was some of it, if you started licking the beater at the top, then some of the stuff would float out of your hand.

Speaker 3 So you get all the, then you're just just licking your own hand with that, still holding on to that beater.

Speaker 4 And then somebody would like accidentally put soapy dishwater in the bowl, and you're like, no,

Speaker 2 oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Because, dude, if you could get even part of your head in that dang bowl, you know, I just wanted to grow, I just wanted to grow longer. I would pray to God to make my tongue longer at night.

Speaker 4 Well, that's a whole different episode.

Speaker 2 Okay, yeah, sorry.

Speaker 4 Sorry. That's where, no, that's where the Trace Atkins be.

Speaker 2 Well, I told you, oddly.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're right. Things Things have changed.

Speaker 3 What's a place that you miss in Nashville that's not here anymore?

Speaker 4 I kind of miss Old Losers. Like

Speaker 4 Old Losers was like, I love losers still, but like Midtown, it was like just one little shitty dive bar with like darts in the back and smoke and like a good, great jukebox and popcorn, you know?

Speaker 4 And now it's like three stories and the rooftop and all the things. But it's still great, but I kind of miss like the little,

Speaker 4 like the

Speaker 4 divier, the better, you know. Yeah,

Speaker 3 yeah, now they still have the back porch up there. You can go kick it at sometimes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that little deck. I have a little sign up there.
It says Moraine Lambert Way. It's hanging up there.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you?

Speaker 4 Have you been on that VIP deck?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I have a couple times. That deck.

Speaker 2 I take

Speaker 2 it. I put in a lot.

Speaker 4 I put it, yes. I put in a lot.

Speaker 3 She's just out there waiting for an ambulance.

Speaker 4 I put in a lot of late nighters to get that sign.

Speaker 2 Oh, I bet you did.

Speaker 4 You had to drink a certain amount of Tito's out of a shitty plastic cup to get your sign up there. And I have one.

Speaker 3 And at least it says way. It could have ended up being Miranda Lembert cul-de-sac.

Speaker 4 Oh, no. See, that wouldn't be as cool.
No.

Speaker 3 But at least it says.

Speaker 4 Drive Way Road. I can deal with this.
Not cul-de-sac.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Oh, I remember when somebody put a damn cul-de-sac first time I ever saw one.
I was like, what is this shit? What do you mean you can't keep going?

Speaker 3 Just fucking hurt my feelings, boy. I said, we'll see about that.
I'm going to call the damn sheriff. We'll see about this.

Speaker 2 I can't find a picture.

Speaker 4 I have one on my phone.

Speaker 3 What else is I thinking about?

Speaker 3 Oh, if you had to travel back in time, right? If you had a time warper,

Speaker 3 and it could have a Hemi on it or whatever. I don't know how you like to travel, but if you had a time warper, what time back in your life would you go to, do you think?

Speaker 4 Right now. I think I'd just stay right now.
I feel like I've done done it, but I'm still learning. Somebody asked me that the other day, like, what's your most fun era?

Speaker 2 And I was like, right now.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 4 still young, but, like, not dumb. You know, I mean,

Speaker 4 you know, that, that whole vibe where you learn a lot.

Speaker 4 Early 30s were weird. Late 30s were fine.
But, like, now I'm like,

Speaker 2 we're doing right now.

Speaker 3 You're like, we're here. We're here.

Speaker 4 Everybody's just like, 40s is the best decade. I'm like, let's roll.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll see. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I believe it. Yeah.
Here we go.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Tell me something else that you think about. Oh,

Speaker 3 the new song is Damn It Randy on your new album. Who's it about, man?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 4 it's about Randy.

Speaker 2 Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 It's about Randy.

Speaker 4 Everybody has a Randy in their life.

Speaker 4 Everybody has one. And it's about just a time where I was like, this is not good.
It's not serving me anymore. This is, I got to move on.

Speaker 3 And was it a real, like, was it serious or was it just somebody that didn't install y'all's cable well or something like it, you know? Well, it depends on the person.

Speaker 4 Everybody's got a Randy.

Speaker 3 Damn it, Randy.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 4 And I wrote it with John Randall, who's one of my besties, and his real name is Randy. So I always say that to him anyway.
So it's kind of funny. And that's the one that Brendan's a rider on.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I was flying a kite in the middle of a hurdle.

Speaker 4 There it is. That little songwriter.

Speaker 3 What else was I thinking about?

Speaker 3 What drives you at this point in your career? I know this is kind of a general question, but like you've gotten to have

Speaker 3 notoriety. You've had number ones.
You've won Grammys. You've won, you're a household name.
You have,

Speaker 3 you can afford to pay your rent. You know, it's like,

Speaker 3 what goals are there still for you? Or do things evolve from goals into

Speaker 3 like just wanting to still do the job? I'm just curious. And it's stuff I go through in my own life too with comedy.
You know,

Speaker 3 I'm just curious, what do you think about that?

Speaker 4 You know, I am lucky enough to have reached a lot of the goals that I set when I started this journey. I mean, I was 17 when I was, I'm chasing music, that's what I'm doing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And people are like, fuck you.

Speaker 3 You'll be at a Dairy Queen in two months.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I was like, okay, see y'all next time.

Speaker 3 Like, well, I'll be singing in the drive-thru, Danny.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I feel like now I'm just like open.
I'm trying to be open to,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm not walking around saying, I'm going to do this and this and this. I'm just like.

Speaker 4 absorbing what's around me and being open to new opportunities and meeting new people and like

Speaker 4 also saying no to the

Speaker 4 saying no to the right things like I think that's a big part of it because you can save your energy for the right things if you just say no to the things that are not right for you like

Speaker 4 that's kind of where I'm headed and where I've been living in the past couple years um

Speaker 4 because I realize like if you put all your energy into the wrong people and the wrong things, then you don't have any openness or any time or energy left for the right things. And then it's too late.

Speaker 4 You you know? So I think I'm just in this space right now where I'm like, what's next? What I mean, this is new. I've just started doing podcasts.
Like, I've never done that before until this year.

Speaker 3 You've done a good job. I've watched some of them.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm new to it. And I'm not great at talking.
Like, I'm a singer. Like, I'm in front of people.
I'm actually an introverted extrovert. I have an extroverted job with an introvert personality.

Speaker 4 And so I'm trying to, I'm branching in that way.

Speaker 4 You know, I always, I'm fine to say my truths in songs. It's just harder to do just,

Speaker 4 you know, saying it out there, but I think it's important either way. So I don't know.
My goals are like, what's next? Let's do something that scares us.

Speaker 4 Let's do something that's, you know, makes you grow and makes you learn.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's true, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sometimes it's so, it's so, I feel like when you're involved in some part of the arts, kind of, you know, people call them, and some people just call them music and comedy and painting or whatever.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 it's weird to also kind of evolve because it's like you age, right? We age and you're like, well, if I,

Speaker 3 some songs I can't even really sing anymore. Some jokes I can't even really, I could tell them still, but is it really going to be true to where I'm at?

Speaker 3 You know, I find that that's interesting about art itself is you have to, and then you're, but then you're like, but if I change, will I still have the people who like this thing?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's like, how do you keep the common thread and keep reinventing? It's a tiny little fine line you have to walk.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it's scary because what we do is very public. And like what we signed up for and what we started saying or the jokes we told at 20 or the songs we wrote at 20 are not the same.

Speaker 4 We're not in the same life space and we're not in the same lane anymore, you know? So it's like figuring out how to

Speaker 4 do that gracefully, but still keep that common thread of like

Speaker 4 where where you've been and where you're going, but kind of walk this line of staying authentic. Yeah.

Speaker 4 To the to the true you that started this whole journey and comedy is the hardest thing in the world like i'd not i think that would be the literal hardest part of the arts of any art i really do really yeah i just respect it because it's the most vulnerable like standing up there in front of people and just telling jokes and hoping they re like that it lands you know and there's no band there's it's just you yeah oh god i wish somebody would pull up with a drum sometimes

Speaker 4 start playing a drum solo immediately if you're like, no, this one didn't happen.

Speaker 3 Take it away, Henry.

Speaker 2 You know, you just start playing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you don't have anybody to like lean on. You're up there by yourself, like emotionally naked.

Speaker 3 Oh, in the beginning, it's so scary, I think. God, I can't even believe sometimes when you think back.

Speaker 3 And I don't mean it like, I'm not trying to fill my own ego, but, but when you think back, like, I don't know if I'd go do it now.

Speaker 3 But yeah, you get up there that first time and you're just like, this is gonna,

Speaker 3 this is gonna be good. You know, you don't even believe yourself.
You're just screaming that to yourself in a car. Like, you know, in a Ford Tourist, you're like, this is gonna be good.

Speaker 4 Like in your best Chris Cornell voice.

Speaker 4 Beefing yourself up. I don't, I don't, the fact that you said it, you don't know if you do it now.
Like, I think about, I don't, I knew like three changes.

Speaker 2 I'm just nervous.

Speaker 4 I know. I just got anxiety.
I think about like, I knew three chords and I was like walking in these bars, like, can I play at the set change? Like, I just, I gotta get some experience.

Speaker 4 And, you know, it's that thing of like, how do I get experience if you don't let me play?

Speaker 4 And then, but, but, but then you say, I can't play because I don't have any experience like just put me on set change then and i'll play my three songs that i just learned yesterday like not good but just being brave anyway i don't know we did it that's a good point yeah and the ones that hurt too do you have a show you remember that really just kind of burned you when you're just like god this is hard oh yeah

Speaker 4 like a birthday or anything like you ever get played one of those era birthdays or something you're like private parties i'm so thankful for private parties i love them i would love to play your private party um

Speaker 4 but some of them can be hard.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, where it's like, I did, I played a, I played a Sweet 16 one time.

Speaker 4 And this thing was the most extravagant party I've ever seen in my life. And it was a bunch of 16-year-olds.
And they only wanted me to do four songs. Michelle Branch was part of it.

Speaker 4 Leanne Rhymes and me. And we each did four songs.
And like, this thing was like legit. It was in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 4 And these kids were dressed to the nines. They all had on like everything designer.
And I was like, I was working at Bell's when I turned 16.

Speaker 3 Oh, I don't rob those bastards. We were dressed to the threes.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 3 We was dressed, the three of us combined. We was in.

Speaker 4 I mean, that was a that was one that sticks out in my mind. I'm like, ooh, Lord, this is this is bougie.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. We remember.
I had hand-me-downs from damn women, and I was like, we don't know, I don't have an older sister. I was wearing shit.
I was like, whose shit is this? Just

Speaker 4 stuff that whatever was around. My mom, my mom was like a big,

Speaker 4 big thrifter.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 big thrifter.

Speaker 4 I'm like, I found, but this is awesome. So like it was in the Doc Martin like heyday and we couldn't afford those.

Speaker 2 Those were very those were very nice.

Speaker 4 They were very nice.

Speaker 3 God, that's where Mother Hubbard lived in one of those. I heard they were fancy.

Speaker 4 We went to Goodwill a lot and like I found a pair of Doc Martens for $7 and they were like new.

Speaker 4 And I went to school and my mom's like, just tell everybody you got them at GWs and say it's like a nice store in Dallas.

Speaker 4 So I forever was like, these are not Doc Martens. I got at GW's.
It's a nice store in Dallas.

Speaker 4 Just flat out lie, but I was like, $7 Doc Martens. Like, that's a score.

Speaker 3 That's $3.50 a foot, honey. Let's party.
That's the rest of the threes. Oh, that's like putting damn each foot into a dang Sheraton.
That's really nice.

Speaker 4 Sheridan's have very good beds.

Speaker 3 You know what I do notice is after touring and going to hotels and stuff, I get one thing that bugs me now is if the mattress is too soft.

Speaker 3 And I don't mean it in a negative way, but it's like your back starts to fall apart and you start to realize how many bones you have in your body as you get older. You're like,

Speaker 3 this is not a bad, this isn't holding anybody up.

Speaker 4 You figure out, like, what, like,

Speaker 4 but is your continental like breakfast like just fruit loops or is it like hot breakfast? Oh, no. Those things you start to like really appreciate on the road.
Like, do y'all have real eggs?

Speaker 4 Are they powdered eggs? Because you can't say hot breakfast if it's powdered eggs. That's just doesn't count.

Speaker 2 That's fair.

Speaker 3 Doesn't count. Yeah, that's more MREs.
Like, it's like MREs, but with a television that's on the ESPN, you know, they'll have that set up. Yep.

Speaker 3 Yeah, God, I think, yes, I remember we used to go to the Continental Breakfast, and we would pretend like the

Speaker 3 people there were waiters or whatever. We weren't even supposed to be there.
We weren't staying there at the holiday inn, and we would go up there and eat up there. My stepdad would take us up there.

Speaker 4 But you're not staying there. Huh? Uh-uh.

Speaker 3 And we'd go in that bitch and dine, honey.

Speaker 4 And when they have happy hour, and it's in a box, but I'll take it. It's fine.
Pop swine. It sounds sounds great.
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 Do you have a favorite party, like birthday party that you ever had so far? I know you just heard 40, you said? I think it was this one.

Speaker 2 Was it? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Y'all go back to the casino?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 4 We went to Billy Bobs on a Monday. Billy Bobs like

Speaker 4 in the stockyards. My friend Gwen, she sings with me in my band for 13 years.
And she was like, where do you, because I was like, I don't know what to do. There's so much pressure on that birthday.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You know, like the big, those Euro ones, you're like, I don't, don't, I just would rather do nothing.
Like, I shut down and she was, we were getting our hair done.

Speaker 4 And she was like, it was typical getting your hair done in the foils. So she's like, where do you want to turn 40? And I was like, she was like, I feel like you want to turn 40 at home in Texas.

Speaker 4 Go back to the root, full circle. And I was like, I do, I think.
And so

Speaker 4 Billy Bobs gave me the bar on a Monday because they're closed. And we had barbecue and a bunch of my Texas friends, Randy Rogers and Wade Bowen and Adam Hood played.

Speaker 4 And it was just a big old honky-tonk night. And it was like, it felt like, man, this is like why I loved, why I started this in the first place.

Speaker 4 Like, I just, I've been playing Billy Bobs for so long and going there to see shows. And so I think that was my favorite birthday so far.

Speaker 3 That's perfect. Well, that's the most recent one, you know.

Speaker 3 What else was I thinking about? Anything in the news that we could think of? Let me pull it. We'll get you out of here soon, too, Miranda.
I know you guys have a show. You have a show tonight.

Speaker 4 No, I don't. Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Tomorrow. Or tomorrow night.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, lovely. Tomorrow night yep for scene for the doggies oh for your pups music for nuts music for mutts yeah it's a benefit for mutt nation music for mutts and how what qualifies a mutt actually

Speaker 4 just

Speaker 2 us

Speaker 4 probably

Speaker 4 uh i don't know like i i have just rescue animals and like they're just all just mixed little puppers and i started a foundation in 2009 called mutt nation foundation with my mom

Speaker 2 yep that's her.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 we've raised over $10 million since then.

Speaker 2 $10 million? $10 million.

Speaker 4 Yeah. We raise awareness for adoption, for Spay Neuter, for Adopt, Don't Shop.

Speaker 4 And like right now with the Hurricane Helene, we're doing a lot of work with Tractor Supply, Rescue Relief, and with Greater Good to, you know, people are first, obviously, but there's tons of shelters down there that were already overcrowded and got hit.

Speaker 4 And so just, it's, there's a lot of moving parts.

Speaker 4 So really what our foundation does is kind of meet the need, whatever the need is, you know, whether it's lifting up shelters, giving them grants for renovations, natural disasters.

Speaker 4 We kind of run the gamut, but our main focus is to encourage people to adopt.

Speaker 3 And once someone creates something like this, this foundation, right? Yeah. So, this is a nonprofit organization.
How do you raise funds for it? Obviously, you can do fundraiser shows.

Speaker 3 You can put your own money into it. And then how does some, I'm just curious, how does a nonprofit even, well, I guess those are the ways you put money into it or you do fundraisers.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we've done fundraisers.

Speaker 4 I've sing for the pups. I mean, we haven't done a music one, but like for my Vegas residency, we gave a dollar a ticket and I was there for two years.

Speaker 4 So a dollar ticket, we've done that on tour where a dollar ticket goes to Mutt Nation. And then this is our first benefit show in a couple of years.
So I'm excited.

Speaker 4 I got some friends coming out to sing, some surprises. Really? Yes.
It'll be fun.

Speaker 3 Can any of the animals ever tune in? Any of them ever hit a B sharp or something? And have you ever trained any?

Speaker 4 My mom has this terrible shitty dog, though. His name is Rohody, and he's just like my dad.
Oh, God. I know.
My dad found him on the side of the house. Because he held back in school? Yes.

Speaker 4 And he has an underbite and he's a chiwweenie. It's like the worst of all the world.
What is that? And he's like my little shitty brother now. And that's what she calls him.

Speaker 4 Cause me and my brother, my real brother, are like, God, his sibling of ours is terrible. And he will sit there.
My dad plays guitar and write songs. And it's specifically George Jones.

Speaker 4 He stopped loving her today. When dad starts singing that, that thing howls and it's like this screeching, awful noise.
And you have to put it away.

Speaker 4 Like you have to put the dog in the house and it's still, you could hear it howling. And then my

Speaker 4 that part where they go, ooh,

Speaker 2 stop loving.

Speaker 4 That thing howls and it's just like, and my parents think it's cute, which is even worse.

Speaker 4 I know. It's the worst.
So yeah, they could be, some dogs sing. Do you want them to? Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 But if you could organize them.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 But we could could do like a family choir that'd be that's what i'm talking about yeah get your little batch of hounds in those uh in those church gowns or whatever yeah we could do it i mean

Speaker 4 anything can be done we could ask chad yeah yeah chad will do it that's chad gpt hey organize these mutts guys

Speaker 3 um was there two pieces of news anything else in the news what were the top two news stories that we had in there um

Speaker 3 oh yeah This is a, and we don't have to talk about this either if you don't, if it's an awkward thing. Yeah, Garth Brooks got accused of harassment.
Did you ever know him as a bad guy?

Speaker 3 I always heard the nicest things about him.

Speaker 4 I don't know him.

Speaker 4 I just heard this today, so I have not been down the news rabbit hole of this. So it's fresh off the press.
I have nothing to say about it, but I'm

Speaker 2 I want to read it.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm going to read it like everybody else.

Speaker 2 I'm going to read it. I want to know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I've always heard the nice things about him.

Speaker 3 He's always seemed kind of mysterious to me in a way. Like, he always seemed like he's done his own thing, I guess.

Speaker 4 You know, he was the biggest artist when i was a kid he was my first concert was he yep when i was 10 years old night two at texas stadium and he flew in he like dropped out of a helicopter and they when he did standing outside the fire and they lit the whole stage on fire and i was like and i okay this is bad but i had braces but only two because i had a gap So I had to do the gap, close the gap on the front two.

Speaker 3 So just those two? Yeah. Who had? I haven't even heard of that.

Speaker 4 Well, this was a while ago. They should never do this to a child ever again.

Speaker 4 they had like in visible line it's not it's not fair kids these days don't have to be ugly like we were ugly like we had just

Speaker 4 i had scrunchy hair and teas jesus and braces and all the things but i had the two braces when i saw that garth brooks show and i had on my rockies do you remember those jeans that were like real high-waisted with no back pockets and everybody's butt looked real long and it had a the label was black and white letters black rockies yeah and i had on those and they were red i had on my roper boots and i was so excited my flame shirt i was like my brush popper like and he came in and dropped out of that helicopter.

Speaker 4 And I was just like, God,

Speaker 4 I was like screaming and I was like waving, but I only had the two, and I had like pink rubber bands on them. Yeah, so just like totally.

Speaker 4 And it was in that area where you would like curl one bang up and one down and tease it. And it would look like a big cloud.

Speaker 3 Oh, that was never an era, but tell me more about that.

Speaker 4 It was so bad. It was so bad.
And I just was so excited.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I'm going to be a country singer.

Speaker 2 It was epic.

Speaker 2 Just standing out.

Speaker 4 Oh, I was just singing all of it. And I would get so excited when I could say, Damned old rodeo.
My mom would be like, and my mom would be like, that's cuss word. And I'd be like, well, Garth said it.

Speaker 4 So I get to say it.

Speaker 3 Dude, the beach is a Cheyenne. So many good songs.
So many.

Speaker 4 Yep. That no offense is record.
I bought the tape.

Speaker 4 But I'm older than you, but I had the cassette.

Speaker 3 You are. And we used to play that tape together.
Oh, we used to play. We used to, they used to have this thing called crying, loving, or leaving on the radio.
Do you remember? Yes.

Speaker 4 I loved that. Did you record the countdown? What? Yeah.
Same. And you had to push the button at the exact right time.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And for, but for two years, the number one song was

Speaker 3 Whitney Houston.

Speaker 3 I will always love it. I was like, gee, can we just do something? Can't red-hot chili peppers do something? Like, we just had, it was this.

Speaker 4 Why can't we do scar tissue?

Speaker 3 It was the number one song for so long. I was like, something's got to happen, man.
We need a war in this country. You know, I was just like, we got it.
We needed something new in there.

Speaker 3 But yeah, that was, and that's when all the music, some of the channels, even it was all of the, it was all one. that top 40 was anything was in there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, everything because it was a Casey case. Yeah, so it was like all of the songs like it wasn't just one genre crying loving or leaving was it though Hey Ernie, where are you?

Speaker 3 And he's like, yeah, I'm over here in Davenport, Iowa. First time caller.
He'd be like, you crying, loving, or leaving, Ernie. And he'd be like, I'm loving.

Speaker 4 I want to see if we could like find that and listen to it. Like, I wonder if it exists somewhere on YouTube or something.
I would totally listen to that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Oh, I called in.
I called in two times. Got Got through.
I called in 60, 75 times.

Speaker 4 What were you doing, crying, loving, or leaving?

Speaker 3 I was loving one time, and then I was leaving one time. I was going to leave home.
I was going to go to the post office and mail myself somewhere else. That was my goal.

Speaker 3 And they're like, you can't do that.

Speaker 4 You're going to mail yourself somewhere else. Yep.
That'd be kind of goal.

Speaker 3 Oh, I rode my bike all the way over there. And it was closed.
I thought it was open 24 hours a day. I'm like, what the hell can you guys can even?

Speaker 3 But just learned a lot that year.

Speaker 3 But yeah, crying lover and leaving. Play one of them real quick for us if you can.

Speaker 2 It exists.

Speaker 2 Today's Country 1077 GNA in the crime.

Speaker 4 Perfect one to pick, by the way.

Speaker 2 What's up, Brian? I was wondering if you could play a guy game to you. I late shouted.
Perfect.

Speaker 4 Perfect.

Speaker 2 There's no way we did not.

Speaker 2 That is so perfect.

Speaker 3 Brenda, I swear to God.

Speaker 4 That was one of them.

Speaker 3 We did not pick that on purpose. I had no idea we were purposely.

Speaker 2 That was actually perfect.

Speaker 2 God.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you missed it. My first wedding song, guys.
Let's play that.

Speaker 2 Was it really? I'm sorry. It was.

Speaker 3 You believe me, though, that we did not do that on purpose.

Speaker 2 I love it. We did not do that.

Speaker 4 We just manifested all of that.

Speaker 2 I would never do it. We're crying, love it.
Ain't leaving now. Bye.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Leaving.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 None left. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 All three.

Speaker 4 We need to do a new spin-off of it.

Speaker 3 They should have it. I wonder if Kicks Brooks does something like that because I know he has, I think he has a weekly show or something.
But that was it, man.

Speaker 3 When you were a kid waiting to hear if somebody was crying, loving, or leaving, you'd even know.

Speaker 4 I'm going to listen to these, not that one particular.

Speaker 2 Where people were.

Speaker 3 And if they did that on purpose,

Speaker 3 I don't think they would do that. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 3 They're too nice of guys to actually do that.

Speaker 3 About the new album, what else,

Speaker 3 like what's new about it? What feels new to you about it? Obviously, you have new tunes and

Speaker 3 that sort of of thing. But yeah, like what feels like exciting to you about it or anything different?

Speaker 4 Well, I made it in Texas. It's the first time I've recorded in Texas since I was 18.

Speaker 3 Okay, so back to your roots.

Speaker 4 Back to the roots. Yeah, I wanted to go to Austin and just like really, it's a really honky tonk record.
I mean, it sounds like my childhood. It sounds like the music I grew up on.

Speaker 4 And I think it's just because I have a new chapter, a new label,

Speaker 4 a new decade ahead of me of like whatever's going to happen.

Speaker 4 And I wanted to like go back to the root of where the whole passion started to begin with which was like playing those honky tonks in Texas like I think I had that sort of awakening when I had my birthday at Billy Bob's and I was like I'm turning 40 at one of my favorite places on earth in my home state and a honky tonk listening to country music and that's just where my heart lives at the end of the day is a honky tonk listening to country music yeah so it felt right to like make my own music that way this time, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's hard for your heart to kind of get back home when your life gets busy like that in a way, you know? It is.

Speaker 4 And I have a house in Austin. I spend a lot of time in Austin.
I love Austin. Me too.
My little brother lives there. And

Speaker 4 I just, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I always say I'm a

Speaker 4 TNT state girl because my heart's half in Tennessee, half in Texas.

Speaker 4 But both places that I live are revolve around music. And I love that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's like sometimes your life gets so busy and then you're like, you're like. it stops at a certain point.
There's a special day or a moment.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh, okay, I can get a look at where I'm at.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's good to like have enough time to stop and look at where you're at because i didn't for so long i mean when you're young and you start young following your dream and then you just sort of are a horse with blinders and you stop and you go okay i'm now what i made it now what you know and it's it's like

Speaker 4 it's kind of a weird spot to be but then once you embrace it which is where I feel like I am right now, just embracing like,

Speaker 4 look, what I've done so far, but like, what else can we do? You know? Yeah. Still feel really inspired and excited.

Speaker 4 I mean, I definitely don't have the same energy for like long, you know, 150 dates a year on the road or anything, but I'm still so inspired to like write songs. And, you know, I love the music.

Speaker 4 I can't, it's, it's my life. I dedicated my whole life to it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is funny. You kind of, yeah, you do.
When you get busy and your career gets busy, a lot of you gets dedicated to what it is. It's like I spend most of my time.

Speaker 3 Like I, there's, I have some close friends I don't even get to talk to that much.

Speaker 3 And I know it's sad to say people are like, well, you work instead of talk to them, but it's almost like you build up your dream, and but then your dream takes a lot of responsibility. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, and nobody tells you what to do when you have done it.

Speaker 4 Like there's not like a manual you can like, there's not like a podcast you can like go back and look at and be like, so now what happens at this point in my career at this age with this, these accolades?

Speaker 4 Like what happens now? You just figure it out as you go. And, you know, I'm like working with younger artists now and like new artists have a label called Big Loud Texas.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Partnership with Big Loud.

Speaker 3 And oh, you're part. That's your, so you guys have a branch there now.
Yep.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 And it's, you know, keeping that.

Speaker 3 Stephen Wilson Jr. on Big Loud too?

Speaker 2 He's on Big Loud.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So he's playing in Nashville. Patches on patches.
I'm so good.

Speaker 4 Torn Cigarette.

Speaker 3 Oh, when he said, is this song called Torn Cigarette?

Speaker 4 It's called Patches.

Speaker 3 But, oh, that lyric that he sang.

Speaker 4 I'm a torn cigarette. My patches got patches.
It's so good. But he is playing in Nashville.
Everybody. December 4th.

Speaker 2 Tethered.

Speaker 4 So good. My father's son.
Drain my blood. Dude, God.
It's like the one, it's one of the greatest records it's grown out in a decade.

Speaker 3 That's our audio slave, man. It really is.

Speaker 2 It's all of it.

Speaker 4 It's hillbilly and it's rage and it's sad and it's funny.

Speaker 3 And even as a Native American, some of the beats, some of the drums that he uses have a very native sound to me.

Speaker 4 It's great.

Speaker 3 It blows me. I'm like, and I keep finding new songs on it that I like.
That's what's always amazing.

Speaker 4 You keep going back and rehearing them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And you're like, oh, now this one I like.

Speaker 4 Now this hit me weird.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Let's get fucking weird, buddy.

Speaker 3 Anyway.

Speaker 4 I also like the new wears his like little vest. He just like wears his little vest in all his videos.
He's just sitting there freaking slaying the guitar. And he's just like his little puffy vest.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Just cozy.
I love it.

Speaker 4 There he is in his puffy vest.

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 3 He looks like a lifeguard at Woodstock, kind of in a way. You know what I'm saying? He has a very

Speaker 3 safe but risque vibe, dude.

Speaker 4 And he's so sweet, by the way. Like the sweetest.

Speaker 3 You can tell, like, I've just listened to some interviews and stuff with him and just listen to his music. I got to see him play one night at Whiskey Jam.
Yeah. At Whiskey Jam, and that was so cool.

Speaker 3 But yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 Him, Red Clay Strays, I've been listening to.

Speaker 3 So much good music out there.

Speaker 4 So much. So many great.
Lainey Wilson, I know you. Talk to her.

Speaker 2 I love her so much.

Speaker 3 God. If they had 11 Lainey Wilsons.

Speaker 4 Good gal, pal. You'd be in there in the donut box with 11 Lainey Wilsons.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and you'd be the cop. I would.
Well, no, well, look. Like, what are y'all doing?

Speaker 2 Hey, what are you doing in there, huh?

Speaker 4 With the New York accent. I got to work on that.

Speaker 2 Hey, what are you doing in there?

Speaker 3 Anyway, Miranda Lambert, thank you so much for all the beautiful music. Thank you for spending time with us today and just sharing a little bit of your life.

Speaker 3 And yeah, and thanks for just like the inspiration and just being a space of like, hey, this is where you are. And now let's see where we are.
And let's make the best stuff yet to come. And

Speaker 3 yeah, I just really enjoyed my time.

Speaker 4 Well, thank you. We got deep and it was good.
I liked it. Yeah.
We talked about some good songs, too.

Speaker 3 It's nice. Yep.
We sure did.

Speaker 3 Your new album is out.

Speaker 2 It is. It is.

Speaker 4 Called Postcards from Texas.

Speaker 3 Postcards from Texas. And

Speaker 3 yeah, we'll be listening to it.

Speaker 4 And you got to check out Aaron Raitier.

Speaker 2 Okay. You're going to like him.
Okay, deep. Perky one.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 All right. I'm in.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 2 Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be

Speaker 2 cornerstone.

Speaker 2 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it

Speaker 2 in my bones.

Speaker 2 But it's gonna take

Speaker 2 a little bit

Speaker 2 of time.