Olympian Coach Hyacine Nassir: Prep, Peaking, PED’s, Coaching Terrence Ruffin for Olympia, & Health

By audience request, we have Haisi Nasir, well known and highly accomplished coach with multiple Olympians such as Terrence Ruffin.

32 pro wins, 2 Arnold Classic wins, 2 second places at Olympia, a second place at the Rising Phoenix and 36 at Eagle Pro Fights.

There's always gonna be a couple exceptions, then I can work with them on those exceptions.

I have one guy in Tutor, the guy is allergic to Master.

Every time we use Master, he gets a really bad reaction.

He tried different labs, which is the first thing I told him to change the lab.

And I have to attend Pinlap.

I get delivered the same exact reaction.

Okay.

Then I have a girl who was allergic to primal.

Really bad reaction with every primal she used.

Then you need to find solutions.

I'm not saying that the guy is using MPP, because he's not.

But the same way that those people react really weird with some compounds, some people are gonna react really, really good with some of the compounds.

I go to Terrace and the size.

I can tell you, yeah.

Oh, six, seven, eight, eight.

Start talking.

Could you get me ready for the Arnold?

Yeah, he won the Arnold.

He got second at the Olympia.

Then we won the Arnold again.

We never lost a pro show outside of the Olympia.

Do you find any place for intensifiers?

Not every set of every exercise.

Your nervous system is gonna burn up.

Yeah, even if it's not during that particular train you know I'm gonna recover the same for the next training anyway if you do after three four training doing that look I'm gonna pull all the reps I can then when I can't I know that the next rep is not gonna work I stop as my training partner pull it with me here and then I'm gonna try to control it for as long as I can and fight it to not fall out I'm gonna do that twice then rest pause I love it not and everything because with clam you shouldn't feel any pretty size that's not how it's supposed to work like people are like start with 20 and increase every three four five whatever days until you start shaking as well as well.

Then hold it to 30 and increase it again until you start shaking again.

How high?

How high do I go with this?

She was on 2-4-year-country.

And replied, well, I'm following what my coach told me to do.

I will talk about it later.

Coach told her, keep going with this, it's fine.

I have many athletes doing that.

Five days later, how to talk?

Should I?

Oh my god.

I don't want to have people coming in 10, 15, 20 years telling me, you ruined my kidneys, my heart.

It's your fault.

Or hear that some guys or girls that I've been coaching and have been real friends and troubled the world together.

We won things.

We lost some.

We've been happy and super sad together.

Now I hear that they passed away because suddenly they had a lot of stuff.

I'm doing everything I can to not update.

Because some of the main differences you feel like coaching men and women, because to be honest, bro, I've always been fascinated with, like, you know, I'm a guy, so I'm like, obviously, I'm more familiar with how bodybuilding is for men, but with women, sometimes it's just like it blows my mind.

And even starting from like a bikini perspective, there's just so many

just

I think paying attention to their hormones is,

I think, distinctly

different because you have to pay attention to a lot of their menstrual cycles and how their hormones

are really, really careful with this.

And you know what?

With a mass, it's quite easy.

The only real hormone that's gonna affect everything is testosterone.

So if it's if it's really low, the guy is depressed.

If it's really high, the guy feels amazing.

Amazing, and then maybe a bit too amazing, you know, but like there's some side effects.

But that's that's the main idea, you know.

Uh, with woman, there's many different almost that you need to really be careful.

Um,

I mean, it's quite technical, but you

have to monitor many things.

Uh, you don't need to do it like all the time, uh, there's no point to check it like every week or every

month, but you need to have to have a closer look to this than with men, yeah.

Yeah,

then you have

main difference.

Uh, I've been coaching every division division now in women.

Just not fitness.

Well, I don't know.

I might be wrong.

I don't think it's much difference between fitness and figure, except that they have the routine, so it might be a bit challenging that part

in the coaching area.

But

if you look at men and women, I think the most complicated thing with a woman is to bring her peel like in a really extreme condition.

Like lean is something, but lean is can achieve pretty much with any, every, every woman.

Peel is different, like peel shredded, like you know, dry and shredded.

It's really complicated, especially if you want to do it as healthy as possible.

It's never going to be 100% healthy.

Like putting a woman at less than 4% body fat and really dry, it's not going to be healthy.

But there's a way of doing it with

not like ruining her, and there's a way of doing it by just using all the drugs and all the dietics and all the shit.

And

you know that there's a price to cut, you know, like,

right.

Yeah.

I can't remember who it was that I was listening to, but from my knowledge, I mean, it seems like with women, you know, for men, for us at least, there seems to be some kind of like harm mitigation to approach first when it comes to organ health.

Like, how,

like, do I feel like I can take this for a prolonged period of time and still sustain good blood work?

That seems to be like the main conversation when it comes to like PED protocols for men.

But then, when it comes to women, I feel like, depending on the division, like the first conversation that's to be had is like how much

is she willing to sacrifice in terms of

say viralization first.

I feel like

I don't like to,

I mean,

and I get your point.

Uh, I just don't like to think like this.

Uh, ideally, I would like to work with women who are just starting and they want to go up in the ranks, you know, in any of the divisions and just try to there's always gonna be a price to pay when you're using even the soft

PDs, softer ones,

it is always going to be a price to pay.

You're not going to be, you're not going to keep your pretty face, you're not going to keep your pretty face lines and your hair.

You're always going to lose something.

The idea is how much you want to lose.

Yeah, it's true.

But

I don't want to work with women who are going to tell me, like, I want to use trend.

And I'm going to say, like, okay, let's see how much you can handle.

Like, that's not my conversation.

I don't use some compounds, they'll pan for me.

I don't work with people using Irving Women or using

it's, and if they want to use it, they're free to go.

And I'm not going to be mad about it.

It's just them and their choice, you know, but I'm not doing that, you know.

And it just puts some limits because at some point, the girls that I'm coaching or was coaching couldn't compete with the girls who are using those things.

You know, like

in those divisions, actually, actually, it's like especially bodybuilding.

And it just puts a limit at

how far they can go.

You

I could still,

I think, honestly, I think I want pretty much all the pro shows that exist in women's physician bodybuilding.

Pretty much all of them.

Except the rising Fanissa Donka that's second place in both of those shows.

So

I could prove that you don't need to ruin yourself and to end up bold to be a good pro bodybuilding or I mean female bodybuilding or women's physical.

You don't need to do that.

That's good.

That's awesome.

I kind of just want to backtrack actually a little bit but uh

i was um doing a little bit of research and i was trying to watch some of the um podcasts that you have up but obviously a few of them are in a different language so it's kind of hard but um

if i was a fly on the wall what is the first thing i would have seen when bodybuilding first ever piqued your interest

like if i was a fly on the wall in say your home whenever you first started or when you were first inspired by bodybuilding when you first found an interest in bodybuilding whenever that actually just seemed to be something that like oh man, I think this is something I want to pursue like what happened in that time?

What kind of got you inspired to get into bodybuilding in the first place?

It happened a bit like randomly like

almost by accident Arucia.

So like I was

going in a

regime that had booksing and things and I was in a lot of martial arts and boxing when I was younger.

And in high school, I started training in that gym.

I was like

a little city gym, you know.

So I registered, I got a membership there.

I was training there.

I was doing the boxing class, and just on the other side, on the next room, he had a weightlifting area, like for powerlifting and things like that.

Wait, wait, we've just gotta do Marco's training really quickly.

He needs to do it.

So, yeah, at some point, I just thought, okay, I'm gonna try with some weight, see how it feels, if I can get a bit bigger, a bit more athletic, a bit stronger, a bit faster.

I didn't know what to expect from it.

And I had no, you know, it was in 2000,

before 2010, probably 2008 or 9, something like that.

I think I was like 16, 17, so probably around that.

And you couldn't find any information about what to do at the gym at that time.

So I did all the stupid thing you can imagine to train.

Like I was doing yesterday, but I tried to do everything every day.

And then one of the guys brought some flex markers in the gym.

Just look at her.

I was like,

what is this?

And then I saw it reading.

I was like, that's actually nice.

It started like this.

I had more and more interest, and I started following the competitions.

Only in the US, because in France we had nothing.

We only had local shows, but they were not, we couldn't find any results.

There were no big names.

We didn't know what happened at that time.

And I remember even Mr.

Olympia, 2008 or 2009, one of them, when I was staying in a small city,

I found the results online only two days after the show.

Hmm.

So that's how, like, just to tell you, like, how far, like, how slow the information were getting in France at that time.

You know?

Holy crap.

So, yeah,

when I went to university, I started having more and more interest.

I started working in a gym at the reception, which is saying membership at the reception.

Then I got promoted manager, then manager of like free gym.

And I was like, oh, I mean, I'm doing like,

I'm in it, you know, now I'm doing it now.

Yeah, then I realized, like, I'm not a coach, I'm not an athlete.

So I parked ways with the

owner of the gym.

And I left and I went to New York for like a few weeks.

Pleasant food, probably.

Because at that time, few weeks, New York was really like the peak city for polygamy in the U.S.

Was not LA or Tampa or it was.

What year was this?

By what year was this?

this 2002 2014 yeah that's the year you had

uh

no sorry i was just repeating i was hearing what you're saying 2014 yeah 2014 yeah so i traveled there and uh i stayed there for like something like three weeks for probably less but let's say three weeks and i i did all the gym i could find there all of them all the bodybuilding gym i've been there like i i was staying i was staying in marathon i was i even took the a train then a bus and to go to the powerhouse so i could uh so

visit because I saw it.

I saw it on YouTube, and all the, you know, how you had Kyrin, you told Martinez,

you had what's his name, John Dolar.

No, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, but Ron Murrell was training there too a lot.

So they were posting the videos.

I can't, it's going on there.

I won't go there.

So I went there, stayed like all day there, like literally all day.

Just to I wanted to learn, you know, about body.

And after when I came back in France, I decided, okay, I'm going to compete.

I thought that I really thought that I was going to like it.

I did it a couple times, I didn't like it at all.

Like, for me, that was not the kind of.

But me on me on stage,

I don't like it.

The last two, three weeks before, sure, like, if I just want to go offseason, I look like shit.

I'm skinny.

You know, like, this is me saying, this is not good.

Like, I'm not happy with it.

I know.

You didn't have a coach at the you didn't have a coach either.

You didn't have a coach.

I had a coach.

I had a coach.

He was a really, really, really sweet guy that I knew for like,

I knew, I met him when I was a teenager.

He was like a local legend in France, you know, as a computer.

But he passed away a little bit after my first show, my second show.

He passed away.

So I just kept going myself.

I didn't have the money to hire anyone to coach me.

And I didn't trust any French coach to coach me anyway because honestly, the level there at that time was really bad.

So I was like, I'm just going to learn it myself.

And at least if I do something wrong, it's my fault, you know?

Can't blame no one.

I just felt better doing that.

I made a lot of mistakes on myself, but at least it was on myself, you know.

Like, I didn't hurt anyone.

Do you remember what mistakes?

Oh, yeah.

So, first mistake I did, I did that balance, uh,

that sodium-potassium balance.

Oh, yeah, abortion.

So, like I

was drinking like 10, what was it, three gallons of water a day, of two and a half, two and a half, three gallons of water a day for like three days.

That loaded with

a lot of salt, like too much salt.

Uh, then doing the, like, then cutting or reducing the salt.

I remember.

Cutting or reducing the salt, then adding the potassium, a lot of potassium on top of it, then cutting the water, then adding the diuretic, and then waking up in the morning, it's like, you know, hoping I wasn't looking insane.

I was looking like shit.

Like every time I did it.

Or twice?

Both times.

I never tried to do it with any

attributes I had, by the way.

Like even at that time.

I don't even do that anymore.

Right now it's really far from what I was.

Yeah, I remember you mentioning that on the podcast.

I remember you mentioning that on the podcast that you don't do diuretics at least, like maybe like two or three times one of the years.

No, I don't like to

say that I don't do diuretics because that would be a lie.

And

then some people that did diagram with me will be like, oh, liar.

I can't do it, but if I have to give a percentage, probably 5% of the time.

Gotcha.

You know?

And

I did the whole year last year using it on one guy, only one.

And I don't know how many people I've caught on stage.

Even if I'm, I mean, mean, I don't know how many tan had people on stage that would be more accurate to say like this.

But I only had one guy who used it for two shows.

That's it.

Okay.

And what he used was 12.5 milligrams of unlacton the day before the show, the night before the show.

Gotcha.

So.

What do you feel like you look out for

to, I think, give you the signal that this person actually might benefit from a diuretic?

Well, first, let's compare when you use diuretic and when you don't.

I think that you have more control on what's gonna happen when you don't use dietic.

I agree.

I think that you can, it's more technical, it's more complicated, it requires more attention.

And wait,

Yeah, so I'm sorry.

I think I think you have more you have more control when you actually don't use directory because you can really adjust everything and you just you don't just put a pill that is supposed to fix everything for you.

And if it goes too far, like if you like just flush too much water, it's done.

If the guy gets flat, it's really complicated to fix.

And sometimes you're going to have some people, they're going to look soft because they're flat.

But if it's because of direct, if you don't really know what's going on, you know, like if you're going to have the iod experience to do it if you don't use dietic it's really really complicated to have someone extremely flat on stage

like even if you want to so i mean you have to do a lot of big mistakes to to get to to to that point to get them to flat without a diuretic and then the whole problem is that if you don't use diuretic there's no water rebound

like after the show like let's say the guy you you pick him to compete on on Sunday most pros are on Sunday I say Sunday guy

you pick him to compete on Sunday there's no diuretic

Sunday evening, he goes, he eats like, without exaggerating, like a burger and ice cream, let's say, drinks a lot, wake up in the morning, he's gonna do what, one pound every year?

Yeah, yeah,

crazy, you know?

If you do that, if you do that, the diuretics, and you use a lot of diuretics, if you do like

a half a diazide and then the whole adacton protocol for the for the whole week before the show, and you do you do that and you end up on stage on Sunday, if you go out, if you, if after the show, you start drinking a lot, then you go and eat a burger and fries and an ice cream, the same thing, you're gonna be like five or six pounds every other day after.

But then it's not gonna stop, it's gonna keep going up.

So,

can you do back-to-back shows during that?

Yeah, you can, but it's gonna be more and more dietary, it's gonna be less and less healthy.

Right, right.

The weight gain is what's really stressful for the kidneys, not like the actual diuretic use.

Right, if you look at Marco Rouge last season, who's a brilliant example of

what to not do from my point of view,

he didn't use and dietic any show except one, and I was the last one because his body was showing me some signs that he was a little bit tired and inflamed.

So, the directive was just to hold the look.

So, again, it was 12.5 milligrams of electron.

That's it, it's not like 100 a day, just the night before the show, 12.5 milligram, and that was enough to hold the look and help a little bit to flush a little bit of water and get a bit tighter.

But that's it,

but before that, he did four shows before we knew it,

but you know, yeah, then we were.

And then, after, after like when he came in Dubai, I already she did four shows,

still didn't use any.

And I asked him to do a blood work here because we were going to start the Olympia club who was qualified.

And his kidney function went up.

They were higher than before.

Which is surprising, but like a lot of health supplements and

hydration and everything.

Shows you're a good coach.

You're on top of your shit.

It shows you're a good coach.

You're on top of your shit.

Yeah, I mean,

he's picking now and he's completing tomorrow.

So he's just sent me his chicken.

I just told him what to eat.

He's going to the waiting now.

He's asking, can I eat now after the waiting?

But we're a little bit tight with the weight.

So I told him, like, just to not stress about it, eat after the waiting.

So he's done.

Yeah.

Smart.

Smart.

Do you feel like it's pretty common for you to see?

like water retention and what appears to be like inflammation just increase as you keep doing show after show in a season?

Yeah, that's the main reason.

That's the main reason you should pull from a show.

If show after show, you start looking worse,

it just the body is just saying that it can't handle it.

It can be because you're flying a lot, or your sleep is not good because you're different time zone,

or just the fact that you're picking and training and pushing your body like it just gets tired.

You see, is you get flat, you get soft, and you retain water.

And

it's not because you're going to sleep a lot that you're going to fix, you're going to fix it.

Like, if you don't sleep because you don't feel like you need sleep, that you're not inflammable, or your body is not tired.

It doesn't work like this.

Like, you need to look at the look, like how it looks.

If, on top of this, you're like half dead and you're like, like, you can't even wake up and you retire, that's done, bon competit, you know.

But those, those signs are really enough when you see them, you see the inflammation, clearly.

Yeah, I guess there's so many variables to consider, but

how do you personally feel is best to

try to achieve the most detailed look?

And I'm assuming this is going to differ per athlete, right?

But

I think from a base, I remember you saying that,

you know, you believe like diuretics shouldn't necessarily be used, obviously, if they're not in some kind of exceptional.

The person you were talking about with the inflammation seems to increase.

But

the first step, obviously, is just to get the athlete lean enough, which is always the most important.

Well,

yeah, you have to be peeled.

Like, you have to reach a level of conditioning that allows you to do everything you want.

You know,

you can't pick fats.

You can't dry out fats.

You can't

get

fuller if you're fat, you know.

Because if you carbop on someone who is out of shape, who is not peeled,

he's going to look soft.

He's going to retain water.

He's going to make him look even softer than he was.

You need to be peeled.

So,

if you don't reach a really extreme level of conditioning, which is required to compete as a pro, and it's required to turn pro, you know.

And

I mean, ultimately, that's what you want when you step on stage.

Like, you named you want to turn pro, you're a pro, you want to win.

So, like, right, you have to see what are the standards of the competition you're facing.

And, like,

I don't think that you're going to be wrong if you show up on stage being the most pilled guy.

Go, go.

Except in Bikini and OneS, then it's a different discussion.

But the the over division, I don't think it's going to hurt you.

If you're the most pinned athlete in 212 bodybuilding classic

women's physics and bodyworking for female bodyworking,

you might place in the like you might take the higher spots, you know, or fight for some of the higher spots.

Yeah, for sure.

And I see, and I see it now with Marco.

Again, I take him as an example because I'm doing it now.

But Marco is really easy to pick now because there's nothing left.

Like if you check his last check-ins, there's nothing left on his glutes.

There's nothing left on on his lower back.

There's not a single ounce of fat on his body.

So now we're picking out two days, like, and he's eating so much.

It's insane.

He's drinking so much.

It's insane.

The same thing with Julia.

Like, take a woman, Julia in Portugal.

So she got sickened in Spain.

And then three, four weeks later, I remember it was three or four weeks.

We had Spain.

We had Portugal.

So

she flew back to Dubai, finished the prep here, and then went back to Portugal.

And Portugal, she was inside inside out, like really pure, like really, really extreme condition.

And

I carved her up with so much carbs.

And she drank the day before the show, while carbon up, she only needs to one day to cover.

The day before the show to carb up, she drank two, no, what is it?

Two and a half gallons of water.

The day before the show, no diabetic.

And the only thing she could do is get it, get like get better.

Checking after checking, hour after hour, she was getting like tighter, drier, and fuller.

Everything was just going like perfectly.

Wow.

But because she starts, she starts the process, she's peeled.

There's nothing left.

Right.

Yeah.

And she's eating so much.

Like, she's already eating so much before we start the peak week that she's peeled.

She's eating a lot.

It's easy.

So if you can put an archetype in that

setup, like that configuration, then the pickweek is easy.

And you said she was, was she drinking two and a half gallons of water like throughout the week?

Was it a pretty stable?

No, oh, you mean before?

So, when I said two and a half, I said it the day before the show.

Everything leading to this was maybe two gallons.

Well, a gallon is 3.7 liter, I think.

Yeah, yeah, something like that.

Yeah.

3.7, 3.8.

So, yeah, she was she was drinking probably two

gallons a day before before this.

Okay.

Pretty much all crop.

hmm that's so freaking interesting why do you feel like um

it ended up being more beneficial for her uh to drink more water the day before the show i mean obviously she's already lean but um because i i guess it's uh

it sounds like the opposite of what most coaches tend to do these days

but but that's the thing you know

if i it

like

i'm gonna it's like you said it it looks like the opposite of most coaches do but i'm i'm most cultural too i'm i'm with them uh but if i do the same thing that i do with every atlas and i do it with hers i'm gonna work because she's totally different and

sometimes you have some athletes who comes and they have a totally different ways of the body works differently

and you also have athletes that you work with for years many years and you optimize everything it's like their metabolism is optimized the

sensitivity is optimized too the training is optimized the sleep is perfect you know so they have no information, they take care of themselves, like they get massage and physio and face, everything is

perfect.

So then, when you get to that point of like when they really want

everything to be perfect, then you know it's going to be

really not easy.

They still have to look at everything, like every check in every two hours, every hour to look at everything.

But you know that you can get some really high level of precision when you do those things.

Yeah, agree 100%.

Then, when you're when when you're i'm an athlete who is just like you know all right then they complain because they're like oh you didn't give me the attention that kind of thing okay but the thing is like i wrote on your plan that you need to eat to to to eat chicken you had beef i wrote on your plan that you need to eat i don't know i'm gonna say some random things that might make no sense but the id is still there right yeah i put you some uh like rice you ate potatoes you know i told you to eat every two hours you you you stretch it to three hours you know i told you to do your training your car you're fasting in the morning you did it after training, and you did that the whole prep.

And at the end,

you're not where I needed you to be.

And you know, when you're trying to shoot someone, you should try to shoot at a target.

It's like when you do everything perfectly, you have this.

But the more you start like, you know, like that thing, when you're aiming, but if you start doing, like, you know, having some more flexibility with the food, with the training, the cardio, with the sleep, and you miss a day of training because you are, or to a weekend of training, because you want to go party there's a nice party there you know like a pool party or whatever and you like the whole training you don't the whole weekend you just eat but you don't eat with your food or you miss some meals and then the Monday you're like yeah I go back again I go at it again but my purpose I mean my my show is soon and then instead of being aiming to being able to aim like this you aim like this

so you you have no idea yeah yeah yeah just creating a lot more variables one by one and then obviously it's just like how are you supposed to even aim for the for the bullseye when you've got all of these things that you don't even know that you're tracking correctly?

So

it's the weird thing about bodybuilding.

We're playing with like a million variables and a million different types of clients.

Like it's a three-precision sport.

And it's like it's a geek.

You have to be a geek, like a nerd.

You have to be obsessed by those numbers, by those variables, by all those things.

You need to have some passion and some love for observing things, you know, like re-observing and comparing, you know, me to other.

Then once you start having this,

you get used to it, your eyes get used to it, and you don't, you spend, you spend less time doing it because you know what to do when you see it.

And

you have some process, some reflex that just comes naturally.

Like some, maybe it's instinct, I don't know.

But you get like, it's just experience, like you know, you do it for long, for longer, so then you can do it better.

Wait, so after you, after you finished competing that one time, you know, and you're just like, fuck this, I hate this, when did you?

I didn't compete only one time.

I wish I did.

I will have I will have saved a lot of time because I did that was never been it's never been a success.

But I computed like four or five times.

Yeah, four.

Four or five times.

I watch shit every time.

So

you're a big ass dude too, bro.

So I mean, like, that's a lot.

That's a massive frame to fill out.

Yeah, yeah.

And it it never it never I could never f fill it up anyway.

Like I'm I'm I don't know.

The max I could step on stage.

Like I'm six foot three.

The max I could step on stage was like 230, maybe.

Damn.

Like 225 to 30 or pounds.

Like that.

Yeah, that's massive deal.

And doing everything myself because I didn't want to give the responsibility and I didn't want to have to blame anyone.

And I wanted to learn myself how to do it.

I did.

It was just not enjoyable at all.

So what got you into the coaching space then?

Like, was it just like, okay, I still freaking love but I don't want to.

I

started competing, then I had people at the gym coming to me, and they were like, Oh, you're competing.

Like, can you like coach me?

Lifestyle, you know, like, I want to change my body.

Okay, I'll help you.

Why not?

And then, from those people coming just for help to change their body,

oh, can you can you help me compete too?

Okay, let's do a local show, you know, like, yeah, in France, we have a lot of local shows

not affiliated to any DB, any federation.

You just go, you step on stage, you have your phone.

Like, it's it's some, it's in some like small cities when on Thursday they were selling fish, and on Sunday, you have a bowling range show, you know?

And

so it's, it still smells like fish or meat, you know, when you step on stage.

And uh,

so that's a kind of for sure we have.

So they go there, and then two times

by the way, this year, you know, in November, it's gonna mark the 10 years

anniversary, maybe, of the first time I had this comparing on stage.

It's two times this year is 10 years, yeah.

Congratulations, bro.

All right, well, it's done down.

Maybe I'm gonna retire before.

But yeah,

November 2015 was the first time I had people competing here.

And so they step on stage, and I think I don't know if everyone won, but I should

scroll on Instagram for the last 10 years.

But

I remember that we had some really good results.

Then we pushed it to National France

2016, 2017.

And then I had some really good results from the beginning, you know, like just from

the start

at the local shows.

And I just kept going.

I really started liking it, like really liking it.

What were the first clients that you had?

Like, were I mean, were they a mix of men and women, or was it already born?

I only had men at the beginning.

Oh, it was only men.

Okay.

Yeah,

the first group of guys that I bought on stage was

two bodybuilders and three men's physical.

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Then there after, I think maybe the second show, French Nationals, like

six or seven months later, I had a couple of girls, but I was mostly men at the beginning.

And then I know you already said this, and it's my fault because I have just such ADHD, which is terrible for a podcaster.

But

you were mentioning that

one of the women that you had that I think

was it, did she win Olympia in Physique that started having you have a bunch of women come up to you to

she won the Olympia, but uh she turned pro with me.

Uh then her pro debut happened like a few weeks later, she got third.

I remember, yeah, like a big pro show in Europe.

Uh,

then we went, then we we asked for an invite for the Arnold, thinking that we were not gonna get it, uh, but she got it.

Uh, but she got assaulted in the street and uh she like ruined one, she got injured in one of her knee when we were excited.

What the hell?

Yeah, hamstring one of her legs, I don't remember exactly.

So, we had to like postpone the show, and we had to pull from the island.

Uh, and all that, but we were really sad about it.

And then she ended up doing Chicago, she got fourth, then she went back, she came back to Europe, dipped

Portugal, got second,

and then we had to, then we were on the points where we were like tying a lot of girls, you know, when you had that point system,

and we were like, okay, this one senior show, the last one before the Olympia, and at that time that was Tampa.

So, we went to Tampa and we were hoping that we get we will beat some of the girls who had more points and just like end up somewhere in the top five to get some points and hopefully qualify for the Olympia.

That was like really the peak, like the big goal we had.

And like

we were not even hoping that we were gonna make it.

So we go there, and that's the that's the time I I stayed with Terrence, 2019.

So so we we go there, we we're at Terrence Place,

and this the list come the the list of the competitors comes out.

I think it was on Monday or Tuesday.

And I see 47 girls on stage.

I still remember the number.

47 were most physical girls on stage.

So I'm like, it never happened before, it never happened again.

So

that's crazy.

That's insane.

My mind was like, well,

all the guy,

but let's do our best to at least not asham ourselves and finish like strong.

Yeah.

So we go, I finish the thing.

I pick her up, we're on on stage, uh, go backstage, and I see that they do like two groups of 20 because you couldn't have all the girls standing on stage at the same time, there were too many.

So, she goes on stage, and then first call out comes.

I'm chatting with someone next to her,

I was hoping, I was like, okay,

we're here now, let's have fun, you know.

And then I hear her name calling, calling in the first, call in the first call.

I was like, What?

So, I look at the stage, oh, good.

But the first call out was like 12 girls.

So, it's, I was like, okay, we're top 12.

And then she got put in the middle.

And I'm like, what?

I mean, look at it.

Then she got like moved from the middle to the side.

And she's sick and off.

Oh my God, we're going to the Olympia.

You know, at that time,

it was like, okay, I did it once.

I'm going to enjoy it as much as I can.

That girl is probably going to go through another coach because now, like, she wants to go higher in the level.

I didn't prove anything.

She's like, I'm.

I'm totally new at this.

And I would understand.

So let's go to the Olympia and have some fun.

Because for for me, it was just the first and last time I was going to see the Olympia, you know?

Like, that was the mindset I had, you know.

Yeah, so we go there, we go to the Olympia.

She got last call, actually.

I don't know how much she plays, but really low.

Her body was just tired with all the shows, you know.

It was like a lot of shows that's done that year.

You know, like a lot of shows, a lot of

traveling.

So, couldn't do anything.

So, I really thought it was going to be my first and last Olympian, and I was going to go back in my small city in the south of France and just like be an Olympia coach for the rest of my life.

And, like, I did the Olympia once and was awesome.

You know, in France, it's something, you know.

And now I was really happy with my

proud of myself.

Go back in France, then the season starts again.

I signed up some couple of artists.

I'm like, okay, let's go.

Let's try.

We qualify again.

And since then, I've been doing like 2019, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, and 25.

So it's been seven years now that I have at least qualified the Olympia.

Let me miss that.

That's awesome.

That's fucking insane.

Like, so, like, two.

So, I'm thinking that was my first and last one.

I'm like seven years in a row.

Okay.

That's fucking sick.

Fuck.

Wait, so when did you said you stayed with Terrence in 2019?

When was the first time you guys, I guess, met and then,

I guess, created this relationship where you started this relationship as coach?

Met.

So I started following him.

I don't know.

I checked it on Facebook because I added him on Facebook once.

because I didn't have Instagram.

I was like, you know, it was back in time where you didn't want to have many social media, you just had one, you know?

And in France, Instagram was being unpopular, so I only had Facebook.

And I saw a picture of him in Fletcher magazine, I think.

All Muscular Development is one or the other.

I don't even know if those magazines are still published.

But

so

I'm like, oh, the fuck, the guy looks insane, you know.

And he's 24.

You know, I'm like, oh.

So I go on, I go on Facebook and I check.

I guys, I look for the guy and I'm like attacking.

No, I found him.

And I had him.

And I'm like, put it like this.

So I had him on Facebook.

and we've been friends, I mean, friends on Facebook.

He's laughing, but if we friend on Facebook, says that.

I was following what he was doing.

I was like, wow, he looks insane and shit.

So I was a fan, you know, like at that time, I was a big bodybuilding fan.

And then one day, 2017,

I think it was September or October 2017, there's the French COP.

You know, the IAB, you know, the other branch, I mean, not other branches, there's two different federations.

But the the old one in Europe, you had two mixed together.

And then when you were at the top of the IABB elite ibb you could go to get to ask to yeah to

apply for a pro card for photo for the pro league but you you need you need to ask but

the only way to do the arm on the us was to win uh a show in france that was qualifying it and i had one guy who won it immensely

uh we still to to this day we still do that he's like he's one of my closest friends he's retired from competing we're like we like he moved to dubai with me and like we're because

And I said, so I signed him up a little bit before he won that show.

And then we traveled together to the Anal Classic US, New York, Columbus.

The whole trip was a mass.

But if I start talking about it, it's going to be a six-hour podcast.

But we travel there

and we lose.

Like, we went to a small room.

Like, I sleep on the floor.

He sleeps on the bed because we were broke.

So if we should do what we can,

he goes on stage.

We have like really high, we are like really ambitious because he won one of the best shows shows in France.

We're like, yeah, let's get that pro card.

He goes on stage, he gets these 40 guys on stage, something, I don't remember if I killed 40 guys on stage.

He gets third collabs, no poker.

And then I'm walking with him.

I said, let's go to the expo.

We go to the expo, and I see the MPA booth, you know.

And I was a huge fan of Matt Poho.

I was throwing everything

he was doing, watching all his videos on YouTube, like restarting everything he was saying and posting.

And I see that he is at the booth, no winging, and there's no one.

I want to take a a picture and talk with him.

So I go there, take a picture, talk to him, start talking, talking, talking.

At some point, there's a line building up behind me, but I don't see it.

No, because I'm facing maths at all everybody about diet, but I'm asking like all the questions I have.

I'm like, okay, he's in front of me.

He's gonna happen here.

I'm gonna ask as many things as I can.

And then I'm I'm I'm like, hey, there's a there's a line like from okay, I leave, I leave the line, I sit there and say, I go to Terrace and the side, can I take a picture?

Yeah, start talking.

And Terrace was really friendly, like, where are you from?

Oh, France.

Oh, okay, yeah.

And a a few days later, we talk on Instagram and

Facebook.

I can't remember.

I was like six, seven years ago now.

Seven.

And I see that he's going to Europe to compete in the Alicante show, right?

The Spanish show.

And he's like, yeah,

if anyone is interested to have me in his gym

to set up a seminar,

like text me.

I'm like, okay.

I text him.

So I can maybe set up a seminar here.

Okay, let's do it.

And we were supposed to meet in Spain and then do it.

Well,

by the way,

I could never post that first picture I took with Terror.

It's impossible to find.

I don't know where it is.

But

I have the picture with Matt.

I could never find the picture with Terrence again.

I'm not aware.

Disappear.

So

we meet in Spain and a few days later, he two weeks later, he's flying to the city I was living in in south of France to do that seminar.

And we just stayed in touch and stayed chatting a little bit

on social media.

Nothing really crazy.

But then I,

well, I mean, Matt Potto passed away and he went to work with

John Mills.

I was a big fan of both of them.

And I really, really big fan of both of them.

And

2020, I see him backstage, Terrence, when he got second at the Iron 2020.

And the girl I was coaching at that point was got second in homosexuals in 2020.

So I say, you know, I say, congrats, good job.

We talked a little bit backstage, John Leave.

We stay in touch a little bit.

And the year,

one year later, John passed away.

And I'm like, I'm going to text him to check on him, you know.

Say,

you're okay, how are you doing?

Talk a little bit.

That's it.

A few weeks later, I don't know,

I could find it in the message, but it doesn't really matter.

A few weeks later, he texts me and he's like, hey, can I ask you something?

So yeah, could you look at my um

pictures and tell me what you think?

Yeah, of course.

Send me, he sent me like a check-in that he did with himself because he was coaching himself.

And he said, What do you think?

I said, Well, what do you want me?

What do you want me to tell you?

You know, like,

and he said, Could you get, could you get me ready for the Arnold in the welcome?

Oh,

so you, I know, yeah,

so from them, we did it.

That's honestly, I was like kind of uh like an impossible mission, that one, but he got sick.

He won the Arnold three weeks later.

Then he got second at the Olympia

that year.

Then we won the Arnold again.

And then we got six at the Olympic.

Well, by the way, outside of the Olympia, we've never been beaten on a pro show.

Like, we never lost a pro show outside of the Olympic.

Yeah, that's awesome, dude.

His showings in these last two shows are freaking phenomenal, too.

I think his package package at the New York Pro is just very hard.

I just did one.

It's really hard to pick someone 100% perfect.

Yeah, it happens sometimes.

But basically, even if

people or judges or anyone think that you picked him perfect, you know that you could have done better.

Sometimes I know that I could have done better.

But I was just, sometimes it's just enough to win, so people think that he was perfect.

At that time, I knew it was not, especially when Pizza

because he was a a little bit flat.

The day after it was, then I fixed it for New York.

And pre-regionally looked crazy good, like insane.

Then he got a little bit flat throughout the day until finals.

But finals were not judged, so we won.

So, like they like to say, I collected a lot of data.

That's a really like

big sentence in bodybuilding coaching.

But yeah,

I took some notes of what happened and what went wrong.

So now I know it's not going to happen here.

Do you mind me asking what was changed from Pittsburgh to New York?

Yeah, yeah, I can.

So

right after Pittsburgh, so he had a leave, like he had a quite a good meal after the night of Pittsburgh.

And the day after, I told him to eat

higher carbs too, like higher than

before, plus sushi at night, like 20 pieces, 24 pieces.

Can't remember the number of the spoiler, 20, 24, 20, 24 pieces.

Checked him again, got fuller.

Then from that day, I pulled the level of calves, and I went up almost immediately.

I had one low day, and then I went up, and I kept him high

the whole week until the day we covered the day before the show.

That's basically the main thing we did.

I also increased the water

the day before the show a lot.

So, that helped to

improve the fullness.

And Terence is a guy that is if he's flat, he looks soft.

Okay, gotcha.

if he's extremely full he looks like dry and peeled you know and all the separations are really deep uh-huh yeah is that okay just for clarification are you saying so this sushi and then when you went lower and then you pulled the carbs getting higher and then i follow every day was this for new york or for pittsburgh for new york yeah okay for new york okay definitely but in pittsburgh what do you feel like ended up happening or or do you feel like uh you could have um done better was it just the uh the way that the carbs were yeah

I don't think it's from the carbs because he ate quite a lot the day before, but I think it was just not enough water.

At night, I was hesitating.

I was like, do I give him a dandelion root?

It sounds really stupid.

You would think

how one gram of Dandelion Root is just going to make him look flat.

Well, that's what it takes.

Yeah.

That's literally what it takes to make him look flat.

I mean, to be honest, it's not that surprising because sometimes, dude, like, you know, I've played around with it myself.

And,

you know, all our bodies are so different and variant.

So maybe my experience won't speak for so many other people's experience.

But one of my experiences, for example, is if I did that dentaline route at a small dose regularly throughout the week, it's almost like my body gets a chance to stabilize and I can adapt to that and create a fuller look by the time show comes around.

If I do one small dentaline route, though, like the day before or something, I'm flat show day.

It's weird.

It's like I need to give my body like a like time to adapt almost.

Just imagine when you're carving up, which is already dry in your half, because that's the main idea of carbon you up too.

Like, you know, when you come up, you also want droughts, because carbs are going to help you drought.

And if you reduce your water intake, let's say by a third or even a half, and you put the diodes on top of it, it's going to deplete it.

It's going to like

take dry to you even more.

So yeah,

I don't know.

I mean, it's a lot of many things.

And also the fact that it was much bigger.

So that's like, like it's a new body but i need to to pick that right yeah right were these uh were these peaking that you guys had together were these pretty similar though to the last to the

to the last pro shows that he did about like a year ago a little over a year ago or do you feel like there were some big changes yeah there was some some changes was some changes with the water was some changes with the uh

the amount of cars we did uh

and even if it's not just the peaking because i don't think i I don't believe that you can change your body from like this to this with just one week or even four or five days.

I think that even what we did before the prep, many things changed.

Many things were different.

Man, such a crazy game.

Because you would hope that

as the years pass by with an athlete, you, I mean, obviously you do learn their body better, but it's like you would hope that you have these opportunities to perfect their peak.

But it's like, man,

if you if you have a guy who is 200 pounds and you pick him perfectly, but then you take a year off, two years off, uh, like let's say Marco, Marco is also again a good example of it, but he was competing at 84 kilos in classic.

Let me check what 84 kilos is in uh in pounds

before by 2.2.

That's that's 185 pounds, let's say 200,

and now he is 95.2, and now he's 209

to 10.

Okay, so I have a guy who's now a guy who's 25 pounds heavier.

Same height, 25 pounds heavier.

It's crazy.

What do I do?

Do I take the amount of carb we used before and just multiply it by the like the I don't know, like the

like by how but by the percentage of body weight that I have multiplied.

It's not that simple.

So I can't I can't do that.

So I need to just observe and see what's going on.

And right now, right now, after working with him for,

I counted, we did 11 pickwick together.

Me and Mark.

He never placed lower than third in a pro show.

And before that pro show, that was last time in Amsterdam, like a few weeks ago,

he never placed lower than second.

That was his lower placing with me on the 212.

But

after all those shows, he finally told me now I reached the conditioning that I could never get.

Like, that's what it took us, you know, like 11 shows, 11 shows, me conditioning.

Yeah, now he's peeled, his glutes are like, like inside and out, though, like everything is like ripped the striation,

or his whole body is like striations everywhere.

Like, there's nothing left.

He's flat a little bit.

Now it's getting left, he's being small.

But that's the first time that he's telling me that it's the level of conditioning I could never reach in my life.

finally reached it.

Wow.

So that's sort of advice.

Like if you if you sign up with a coach and you, well,

if he's going, if he's going backwards, it's not good.

But if you keep improving sure after show, at some point, you're going to get what you want.

And the coach is also improving.

The coach is also learning.

He's learning you.

He's also learning

the job.

And that's two things that he needs to learn at the same time, you know.

So if he, yeah, you can sometimes, as Marco could have done it, go with another coach

when he sees that he's not winning, you know, like after two free shows, getting sick and it's frustrating.

You know, you want to go with the coach who is already winning with some of his artists, you're like, ah, he's gonna win with me too.

Maybe he will, you know, maybe you're gonna go with him, and he's gonna find the perfect formula for you, or he's just gonna take some risk with you because it's not the same ethic.

You know, he's just gonna tell you, like, well, you are not dry enough, just take two electrons,

whatever dietic, whatever thing, cut the water, duck, you know, Then you go on stage, you win.

Or

you might even go with another coach, look worse, but you're lucky.

The lineup is not that good, so you win.

Yeah.

You know, that's also a thing.

You can, that's one of the only sports when you can underperform and win.

You can look worse than your previous show, but still win because you're facing a weak lineup.

Yeah.

It's like there is no other sport like this, you know.

Like my brother is a professional tennis player.

When he signs up for a tournament, he he doesn't know who he's going to face, you know.

But then the list comes, you know, the thing is, like, the names are coming up.

He's looking, like, okay, I have like the top hundreds, top 10, top 20, top three.

I'm not going to win.

I'm not going to, but I'm going to at his bits as many as I can, you know, he knows.

But then, and he's going to, and even if he plays the best tennis he can, knows he doesn't have the level, you know.

But then he's going to go to another tournament.

There's going to be like players who are really bad.

He's going to look, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to play play his best tennis and win.

What's better?

But in bodybuilding, you don't have it.

Bodybuilding, the only thing, like, if you, if you place higher, you're doing better.

Well, you, how did you look?

Did you look better?

You know,

that's something like sometimes

artists should look at, like, placing is something, but did you look better?

And Marco is mature enough, he's not a kid anymore, he's like 35 now, and he's been doing that for a long time.

So, but what is he looking at?

He's like, do I look better than my previous show?

Because I dropped to placing, but I look much better.

So I just fixed better address.

And I think it's more interesting to see it like this because at the end, you're just gonna, your only goal is to beat yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you keep doing that, then at some point you can also aim to beat the guys who are in front of you if it's always the same.

Like if you're always in the top, in that top three, at some point, you need to catch up with the guys in front of you, if it's always the same, you know.

But if you're around the world in small pro shows and you're struggling to get in the top five,

the only person that you know is always going to be there is you.

Like you can't re-aim for one guy because if he's not competing with you, it doesn't matter.

From one show to the other, some guys are going to look worse, some guys are going to look better, some guys are not going to be there, it's going to be new guys.

It's too random to just aim on this.

So

compare yourself with your previous shows, see how you look.

If you look better, you're doing something.

You're doing something good.

Yeah.

What do you think are the biggest differences between bodybuilding and Mensozik?

And Mensique?

Yeah.

Or they have a ball shot?

Well, I mean, not just like the, not the obvious, but more so, like, I think from a coaching perspective.

So I think it's an obvious thing already that people say, like, in bodybuilding, size is priority.

Size normally takes priority, right?

Especially as opposed to both classic and men's physique.

Men's physique, though, bro, has always been weird to me because it's like, you know, classic, you can get as much detail as possible, but men's physique is almost like you don't want just as much detail as possible because you want a full round chest.

You want, yes, yeah.

shape is important detailed abs are important but then also like

there's this like just you gotta have this like pretty like full

look on your chest like they don't want to see chest striations really they don't want to see like arm and shoulder striations but they do want to see the separation between the muscles and it's to me i normally see

There just ends up being a different protocol.

I feel like I've seen across the board for some men's physique competitors versus say classic in bodybuilding.

But then again, you know, it also differs per client.

So

I guess.

I think the thing is, you can't, even if you don't have the best genetic

for both division, you know, like in terms of structure, you can still do something great if you have a crazy walk ethic,

if you train really hard, and if you use a bunch of drugs.

But in men's physics, if you don't have the shape, you just don't have it.

You can't fix it.

It's done.

Yeah.

You know, if you have like wide hips and these really narrow shoulders and like, I don't know, like tiny arms, you know what I mean?

Like, and a really wide waist, what are you going to do?

And you men's physics.

Yeah.

You know, and if you're like built like with huge drops and you look like this,

there's no mentality for you, you know?

Like, you can't, you can't reinforce it.

You need to have that shape.

Even in even in classic, there's some guys who don't, they don't really look classic, but because they're peeled, you know, and

they know how to present themselves, they look classic at the end.

Yeah, you know,

those same guys, it's not the same, but they could have been, with the same kind of profile, they can go in bodybuilding, put as much size as they can, show up peeled, and they're going to do well too.

But then, if they do have immense physique, it doesn't work.

It doesn't work, yeah.

I feel like Jose kind of could be classified in that area.

Um,

I kind of share the opinion with some other people that I think Jose doesn't have the typical classic shape that you would expect.

Like he's tend to has a, he's, he tends to be

torso body dominant rather than.

You talk about Jose?

Jose Jose Ma?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Jose

Munez.

Yeah, Emmanuel.

I don't know about his last name, yeah.

Yeah, I budget that.

But yeah, he just comes absolutely crazy peeled and like the detail is very hard to deny.

So it's

it's you know, like Terrence is peeled.

Like, yeah, I mean, and you could see it just from his, like, even when he's pulling and showing his erectors, dude.

You can just see the striations, he's just so freaking dark.

Like, he's peeled, he's dry, and his posing is probably the best in the world.

But

I never saw someone as peeled

with as much detail because for me, peeled is a matter of body fat.

I can tell you that Terrence has the same kind of body fat on his body that Jose, maybe a bit less but i mean maybe a bit more body fat whatever but it it doesn't show the same you know yeah yeah now now is it classic bodybuilding is it classic it's back

is it back classic physic or is it bodybuilding

you know like what is it like is it uh

is it is it a conditioning contest or is it a shape and presentation and conditioning contest

you know is it a size contest no that's bodybuilding is it conditioning contest a little bit but not only.

A little bit.

So

is it a shape, presentation, structure, and conditioning contest plus the flow, plus stage presence?

For me, this is classic.

Because you can go in bodybuilding, but huge as fuck, pure as fuck, and ugly as fuck, and still win a play high.

But

if you have those things that I just said, and you go classic,

you don't.

You don't do it.

It's very interesting.

And I think

as much as I hate to say it, I feel like

a lot of

like the level of detail that you can achieve, like the highest potential of detail that a specific individual can achieve, I feel like a lot of it tends to be genetic.

It is, and obviously, you can just get as lean as possible.

You see, with Hosima, he has the, he has the,

I don't know if I ever saw, I probably did, I don't know, Vamid one, I don't know, like, I can't name anyone right now, but I never saw that many striations

on a man's glutes.

But on the other hand, I never saw

he has no triation on his quads or not like not much, you know.

Yeah.

So

that peel from your glutes and even your back, but no striation on your on your quads.

I'm not saying I did the wrong job, a bad job, or that was wrong.

No, his coach is brilliant.

He's doing an amazing job.

Probably one of the best coaches in Spain, if not the best.

And and also he's one thing he's the best artist in Spain, if I'm might be mistaken, I think he is.

at the other door, they're doing everything perfect, but you're also fighting against what your body can do.

Like, if your body is just meant to have no stress on the quads, because that exists, you know, if you check, let's say, Dennis Wolf, the guy who got further at the Olympia, he had no stress on his quotes.

Not that I remember.

I might be wrong.

Let's say that I'm sorry if I'm going to display the Wolf credit, but I don't think

he did.

Well,

like this just some type of bodies that they don't have stression on their parts, even if they have peeled glutes.

But

then, if any muscle that Jose is gonna flex, it's gonna be striated, like everywhere.

Like his arms are insane too.

His abs are like the same, his objects, same.

His back when he's pulling it like this, you're like, whoa, like

you're counting, you know, like all the

it's only

insane.

It's you, it's insane.

It's like I'm happy I saw it with my own eyes, so at least I can see how far can we can take it you know yeah yeah

it always just has me curious like

this is a conversation i think i was i'm having i was having this with quite a few of my guests and one of them was stefan kinzel i'm sure you're familiar with um i think i was discussing this with fuad as well but do you feel like do you feel like anabolic use can destroy a physique yeah okay it totally does yeah i mean it does yeah

yeah can destroy your skin first of all when you do, like, when you really, really do it wrong, it can destroy your midsection.

Like, if you use too much orals or too many orals, you can really digest it and distend everything and inflame everything inside.

And then it just distends it with time, you know.

There's a lot of different compounds that can really ruin your digestion or your midsection and distend it too.

Yeah, it totally can, of course.

I'm really glad that you specified orals too, because I realize, like, I think that's kind of an obvious, but for some reason, we always forget to mention oral specifically.

Like people just say GI tract or digestion in general, but like orals contribute to that a massive part of that a lot of the time.

The only oral thing I use, I mean, I'm talking about like

anabolic, you know, or like I'm not counting clan, for example.

Yeah.

But the only oral I would use and only on men is anabal.

The rest I don't use it.

I don't use oral rinstro, I don't use anadro, I would test in all those things because

for me me it makes no sense to sacrifice your digestion and your ability of

absorbing nutrients over over some size or firm that's going to be temporary anyway

okay plus plus the side effect and the toxicity you're going to have from it

I don't think it's a I don't think it's an honest trade

yeah

I guess, I mean, this might be a little bit too specific of a question, which I totally understand if it's a little uncomfortable for you to respond.

But I know that there's a lot of coaches that do still implement Winstroll as like a main component of their prep, say, for example, the last six weeks, for example.

With scope?

Yeah, Winstroll.

So

I guess what would you, I mean, if you were going to take on some clients and

you did not want them to do Winstroll or they had like a preference to use it, but you were like, no, we're going to do something instead.

What would you suggest?

To go to another coach.

Yeah, I guess that too.

Yeah, I will explain why

I don't want them to use it.

I will take some time to explain.

I would even call them to explain them.

I will show them some examples of previous athletes who didn't use this and could be ready.

And I will tell them.

And if they tell me, like, yeah, but my last prop, I use this, show me how you looked.

If you didn't look better than all of my guys, then

you're not using a good argument, you know.

So I would just tell them this.

And if they still tell me, like, well, I still want to use it, I will tell, well,

you're free to go with somewhere else because I don't do that.

You know, I've always been afraid.

That's something I've always been afraid.

I thought since pretty much since I started coaching,

I don't want to have people coming in like 10, 15, 20 years, telling me, like, yeah, you ruined my kidneys, you rule like my heart or whatever.

Like,

you missed my it's my fault.

Or hear that some guys or girls that I've been coaching and like have been really friends, and we traveled the world together, we won things, we lost, we lost some, we've been happy and super stuck together, we had like shared some good memories, and we're really good friends.

And then I hear that they passed away because, like, suddenly they had a heart attack or something.

I don't want to, I don't know, but I'm doing everything I can to not have this, you know.

So, if if the if the price of doing this is to maybe not win some shows or never win an Olympia or something, I'm happy with that.

No problem.

like it's a sacrifice i i'm i'm i can make and i'm not gonna live with it

i like that that's a good sign of a good coach man um i've had a lot of experiences in the past with coaches that don't

depends on the definition of of what is a good coach for some people a good coach is just gonna be someone who's gonna help you get your goals no matter what it takes and who is gonna

guide you to use whatever you want to use and whatever you need to use to get to those goals.

For some people, that's the definition of a coach uh for me a coach is someone who is going to guide you yeah of course there's the guidance is still there to get to your goals same idea safely and to protect you too no

for me with someone something if it never happened but this is something happened to one of my athletes and under my coaching and i know it's my responsibility i always state that that it is analogy that when when you have a fighter in the ufc or any sport any fighting sport by them

uh the coach is there to train him into making the best fighter he can be you know so he's going to bring him some aspiring partner to like

beat him up, teach him

and just make him like a better fighter.

Same in training, same in cardio, same in everything.

Then when he goes on on that case, that ring, whoever, to perform,

if you take too many hits and you're being injured and your life is in danger and your health is in danger, who is stopping the fight?

Yeah, the referee can do it, but who is the second one who can stop the fights?

That's the coach who wants to throw the tower to stop it.

So your coach is also there to protect you when you can't protect yourself because you don't know what is coming.

You don't know what's going to happen.

You don't know like the consequences of what

you're doing.

That's why you're walking with the coach.

That's how I see it.

That's how I see coaching.

Yeah.

I have a prejudication to believe that it's always best to avoid any coach that just likes to take advantage of ignorance, I think.

Especially in the field of bodybuilding, there's just so much to know.

And most of us athletes,

we don't know everything.

You know what I mean?

Like, there's just so much knowledge out there, and to be an athlete and to perform yourself is already already takes up a lot of your space.

Yeah, but

your job as an artist is not to know everything.

Right.

But I'm not that old, but

most of the athletes are like

before their 30s or early 30s, you know, that's when most of the athletes are.

You're not supposed to know more about bodybuilding than a coach who is like 55 or 60.

Right.

You know, you're not supposed to.

Because the guy who's been the guy or the girl, because there's some your coach, too.

But you're not supposed to know more than a coach who's been doing that for 25 years, you know.

Which is why

on a thousand different people, when it you, you're only by yourself.

No, that's the only thing you're learning.

You're learning yourself.

The coach is learning coaching.

So he has a thousand people or more.

I don't know, like, just let's say a thousand.

A thousand people, thousand different profiles, thousand different scenarios like he saw, and you're not supposed to know more than him.

So he's, yeah, you're right, but that's right.

I mean, in that space, it's technically virtually impossible, right?

Because these people don't have the

field experience with what, a thousand different people, a thousand different studies, a thousand different clients.

And that's why I think like it's very, it's very important for us to take responsibility of our own health.

But I also believe that it's pretty important for a coach to have at least some sense of care about their client's health as well.

Again, you you know, the same way, when we say what is a good coach, there's also many different, many different definitions of what is caring as a coach.

For some people, caring as a coach is a coach who is going to ask you, Potano, how are you?

How your day has been?

Like, is it okay?

You're not too tired.

You know, no, like, just like checking on you about useless things, like for me, Shoes.

For me, that's not a coach who is going to care for you.

For me, a coach who's going to care for you is not a coach who is going to tell you, like, okay, don't do this show, you're too tired.

Pull, let's, let's, let's finish, like, you know, or don't jump on that show, jump on that one.

You know, like, just take some decision, or don't use that thing, use that one, like, lower the dosage of this, or don't use this because it's dangerous.

You know, like, that's caring for me.

You know, that

fake ID, or for me, it's my personal problem with that fake or wrong idea of caring for your athlete that is just like, you know, posting them on stories or liking the pictures or reacting on their story.

That's not caring.

i'm

i don't i don't think it is you know like for me caring is to travel the travel to shows with my athletes you know like not like staying up all night like i'm gonna do tonight the night

i did it yesterday i'm gonna do it tonight the night after and an overnight because i have people complaining and yeah i'm not gonna miss anything you know like it's i'm like i'm gonna make them feel like i'm in the next i'm in the next room you know like that's what i want to feel

And for me, that's caring.

If I was fake,

if I want to fake the file, I'm curing, I would just send them a blend early this week and tell them good luck Sunday.

You know,

that's how I see it.

We can,

if there's anyone who doesn't agree, I'm totally okay.

I mean, it's just how I see it, you know, how I want to, how I want to do it.

I'm sure there's a lot of things to list out, but are there any supplements, ancillaries, over-the-counter supplements or medications that you recommend some of your clients to take for their health in the long term?

Yeah, yeah, there's many, many.

The

CoQ10 or Ubiquiton for me, that's something that everyone who is competing and using any stuff should use.

The NAC

and acetyl system, you should use it too.

I think that anytime you're on a cycle, except if it's a TRT cycle, you should be using Tutcar, Milfysle, those two.

You need to be careful with the dosage, because if you use too much, you can also have the opposite effect.

It's gonna

uh so you need to be careful everything that can improve your ins uh insulin sensitivity is also good too bergorin chromium just to name those two because those two are really easy to find and affordable and you also need you also need to think about your budget um all the vitamins are really important cd um

uh k2 like all those vitamins you need to have them um

and then you have if you that's for health you know i mean that if you have

any problem with HDL and LDL, you can use some such with Bergamot and things like that to improve it.

But only if your blood work shows it.

Don't do it as a present.

I don't think that you should do any kind of prevention with it.

It's like if you have the problem, you do it.

But that's actually.

Because

you can also disturb it by using the supervisors if you don't need it.

You need to be careful with this.

And then you have all, I don't think that BCA, EA, all those things, I don't believe in this.

If you can afford it, or if you have a sponsor and you have it for free, then go find performance.

I'm going to hurt you.

But do you really need it?

I don't think so.

I don't think you need betalanine.

Creatine is a cheap token, so add it if you want, you know.

But

yeah, EAA,

EA, BCAA, all the

thing to sleep, like all those things.

No, I'm believing this.

Okay.

How many times do you normally advise your clients to get their blood work checked?

Really?

Are they specific?

So if anytime the others feel something wrong, we do a bullwalk.

Okay.

I'm not going to say wait a month or something.

Just do bullwalk.

Book it as soon as we can.

If we off-season, I think that every two months is okay.

Very standard, yeah.

Yeah, and then beginning of a pretty end of a prep.

Okay, cool.

Like

when you when they finish a prep, accept it, they feel something again.

But if if they're okay, they feel okay.

I'm always going to tell tell them, wait a little bit before doing the pull work because it's gonna be disturbed anyway.

So, you need to give your body to get back to something like a routine, like food, sleep, your everything back to normal, and then do google.

Gotcha, there's no need to do Google the day after the show and freak out.

But

you know,

right.

Plus, it's like it's crazy how much the blood work.

Well, like, you know, you finish the show, and then a week later, you know, after you've just been freaking relaxing and everything, how much the blood work gets better in just

a week.

It's time, it's crazy.

So, if you had, if you had a few weeks, normally, if after a few weeks, you should be close to normal or even long.

Like, if you didn't do anything crazy in your prep, that's what should happen.

Plus, the funny thing I always find is: even though we all are doing a certain level of consistent cardio in the offseason, it's like always funny to see how some people's like blood work and cholesterol levels and blood pressure just seem to stay consistent through the prep because like the level of cardio increases, the level of activity increases.

And then you're like expecting this crazy skewage of like your HDL and LDL sometimes.

But then you're like, oh shit, well, I guess I was just being more active during prep.

Yeah, but that's why I have a guy open, really good.

He's not quite fashion with the NIPF three times.

And he told me I never did any card run prep.

Never.

I said, well, that's that.

That's

cool.

You got to start every day.

with four events of power.

He's like, but I don't need it to be to be lean.

I said, yeah, but you need it to be peeled and your heart needs it to.

Yep.

Right.

Truly believe that if everything's working at its top efficiency, you're obviously going to look the best too.

You know,

the lower the inflammation, the healthier you are, the better the look is going to be.

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Why do you have your like this plus the plus the headphones?

I've had a lot of people ask me that before.

So what I do is I record my own voice so it's a higher quality on my own podcast interface.

But I started podcasting with live podcast or with in-person podcasts.

So I have in-person podcast equipment.

I've experimented with mics for my computer, but sometimes I have issues with them.

So I just find this to be easier.

And then, so this headphone is for the mic and then these earphones are for you

yeah and that way I can just monitor everything at the same time which is it's a little extra but

I like shit to be as perfect as possible

but uh I wanted to ask

Since I had this discussion with Dura recently as Dura actually he was a 212 competitor that went to Olympia eight years ago you just want a Sean classic right yeah and then he just won a Sean classic right at age of 40 which was freaking awesome obviously he had to downsize so his protocol looked super different than it did before

i believe he's 40 now he was 32 when he went to olympia in 212.

yeah um so i'm super proud of the guy and everything but um

uh

one thing he stated is that for

you know he used to take like these um big ass standard doses and um

like prep protocols that you would uh imagine for a normal 212 competitor.

But now that he had to size down for classic, you know, he couldn't really take all of that or else he wouldn't be able to make weight.

So his prep really just

consisted of a, I can't remember if it was like, I can't remember the dosages, but it was essentially just test and mastron.

And

the doses were pretty damn fairly low.

So I guess what I was curious about with your competitors is since you like to avoid orals, such as like Windstroll and Halo Testing, is there something that you prefer them, or is there like a substitute that you normally keep consistent, such as like Mastron or something, or is there something else that you use to, I guess,

instead of Winstroll?

Oh, instead, there's no instead because

if I had to think about something instead, I would that wouldn't mean that I would need it.

Okay, I would need to find a solution to to to

like to make it work without us, but I don't need it.

Gotcha, you know, it's like you know, what's the I mean,

I think

it makes sense to say like this because it's not that I was using it before, and I found out that it's toxic or it's not good or whatever.

I'm like,

I need to find something else that does the same effect without the side effect.

No, it's like I just don't need it.

Like,

I have the guys, the girls stepping on stage, killed

without it.

Would they look better with it?

Maybe.

I don't want to know.

Right.

Yeah.

It's hard to tell.

I guess if you don't mind me asking,

what do you use to leverage fullness, I guess,

going into the show?

I mean, I know Defer is pre-competitor for sure.

You mean?

As what?

I guess just...

I don't know.

It's a weird question.

I guess I'm just wondering, because

Dura used Mastron.

He switched to Mastron at the end

so he could drop weight, but still keep some sort of fullness fullness and help

some kind of hardness.

Things that I can use in prep, well, testosterone is always going to be there.

Then prime all, master on, and transit it if needed.

Gotcha, yeah, that's it.

That makes sense.

Yeah, um, as injectable, that's that's the only one I would use.

I know that's it's some people use, it's really rare, but NPP has been used in prep.

I know some people use

reloaders of body night being up, but then they drop it.

I don't do that.

Gotcha.

The extent of my NPP use during prep is always like above 10 weeks out.

It's normally like I feel like if it's like if I'm doing like an 18-week prep, for example, normally it's like put in at 18 weeks out, but then it's taken out before 10 weeks happens, as an example.

So you mean you stop using NPP at 10 weeks out?

Yeah, normally the compounds switch, at least with the coaches I've worked with.

Well, I I don't use NPP at all when I when I'm talking with someone about a prep, I don't use in NPP at all.

No, not in prep.

It's not doing anything with uh in a prep.

I'll f uh I I don't think it's needed in prep.

I'd rather do primo and test for a long time, you know, and then start fit I mean s then add the m add then add master on and add a fat burner and and use NPP.

NPP, I don't see it in prep.

It's a really, really good muscle builder.

Let's call it like this, off-season.

But there's a lot of side effects with it.

So in off season, if you really if you start your offseason lean and you add NPP, that's really good thing.

That's really good good good

compound to put.

If if you want to be peeled as like and ripped, you don't want it in pro

gotcha.

Like what what happens when you let's say you're reading, you know, like you're you're a few weeks after a show, you still read in, and you want to start your to grow.

You start you first thing you do, you increase your test, then you put the NPP.

What's the first visual thing you see with MPP when you start it?

For me, I feel like there's a little bit more fullness, but it's not as watery as DECA is.

Yeah, but it's the same compound.

It's just different

activities.

Very simple compound.

So basically, you get a little bit softer.

Yes, you're more dense, fuller, but you also get softer.

Right?

That's what happens.

Like, two or three weeks after you start NPP, that's what happens.

So, how does that make sense that I use that in prep?

Right.

That makes sense.

I think I have seen a little bit of variance with NPP specifically among some people.

Like, for some of them, maybe it has them look a little bit softer.

For some of them, they say it almost makes them look a little drier.

I don't really know.

You know, I

there's always gonna be

some exception of some people who are gonna tell you, like, yeah, I use NPP, but every time I use NPP, I get super dry, super lean, super whatever.

Like, there's always gonna be a couple of exceptions, then I can work with them with on those exceptions.

If they react like this to NPP, then yeah, we can we can talk about it, like we can work with it, and we can try.

Uh, like NPP is on the list of things that I would use, it's done like windstroke, uh,

or anadro or something like that.

If you tell me, like, yeah,

I look insane when I use adultistine and I want to use it, I will tell you, like, well, no, not.

Yeah, but me, my body looks better.

No, it doesn't.

It just doesn't.

And if you think it does, then you do it with someone else.

But if I tell you, if you, if you could, like, I have one guy in Tootwap,

he

it's it's it's wrong, but

if I have to explain it like this, I would tell you that the guy is allergic to master.

Like every time we use master, he gets some really bad reactions.

He tried different labs.

Like before, that's the first thing I told him, change the lab, you know?

And the second thing I had to actually ten laps.

Holy shit.

I get the same exact reaction.

Okay, then I have a girl or had

who was the same thing, allergic to primal, really bad reaction with every primal feud.

You know,

then you need to find solutions.

I'm not saying that the guy is using NTB because he's not.

But the same way that those people react, react really weird with some compound, some people are going to react really, really good with some of a compound.

Interesting.

Yeah.

I'm glad you really, I'm glad you said that because that's something that I've been trying to, I think, talk about a lot openly on this podcast.

And I think the audience has been,

I mean, the audience is pretty smart and they've been listening to it for a while.

So they've heard this over and over again.

But I think it's becoming more clear just how

much we all react so differently to certain compounds.

I think that there's like a core of people who are going to react pretty much the same with

some

my hands away like so like there's that that core of people it's like the big like the the 80 of people who can react pretty much the same with some nuances inside the that block you know and you have the people outside of that that that block of people who react totally different yeah and then you need to find ways of making it work

right

um and i think one of the examples is um like the level of aromatization that some people experience

i was exactly gonna take that that example

yeah um and i there's so many people that I think if you ever look at bodybuilding reels or TikToks that pop up, you will see a list, a long list of like comments where there is

a majority of, at least commenters, that do not believe that someone can aromatize more or do not believe that someone can take

1,200 primo and 300 tests.

That does be okay.

That's because

they analyze it and they think about it with what they've been doing with themselves.

It's like, let's say that I use 1.5 gram of tests a week and I never remotize.

It's not true, but let's listen.

And

then I go on Instagram, which is

an interesting platform, where

everyone is right, because if you post it, you're right.

There's no one to delete your, to check what you're doing, what you're saying, and just delete it because you're wrong.

So you can't see what's going on.

So then I go on Instagram and I say, like, it's impossible to remotize because I've been using 1.5 gram of tests a week.

So no one can remotize.

It's not this.

Well, everyone who is going to have the same experience as me is going to agree with me.

It doesn't make me right.

But then you have all those people who are romantized with 300, and I know some, they're going to be like, oh my god, if I use 1.5, I'm just going to like have like boobs, you know, it's going to look going to look awful.

And then, and there's more people like this than the people who can handle 1.5 gram.

Maybe I've been a bit too strong, like too hard to put the 1.5.

I should have to taken something like a bit lower, but you get the idea.

That's why Instagram is nice.

You can find some really good information, some knowledge.

It's also really dangerous because you can also start believing on some things that you shouldn't even read.

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

I always just give the benefit of the doubt that there's a the exceptions are possible.

As long as I have that in mind, it normally makes things a lot easier, but also a lot more interesting.

I agree, but if I work with someone, I don't wanna think that the guy is gonna be an exception at the beginning.

I just want to think that, you know, I'm going to look at what he's been doing before.

He, she,

I'm stuck in French, like

there's another pronoun that we use to, but it's like that has no gender.

That's why I'm saying one thing here, I mean, also she.

But if you, if I start working with uh,

with someone and uh he

like he sends me his information, I'm gonna ask what he's been doing before, you know, like I want to know.

If it's someone who has been doing that for a long time, I'm going to ask any kind of information that I think can be interesting about how he feels and how he reacts to some compounds.

You know, that's also going to tell me what we can do.

If it's just someone who has been competing locally for like a year or two, he's not taking it really seriously, I don't really need to know this information because

the feedback or information I'm going to get are just going to be based off how they like a compound or not.

It's like, oh yeah, I used Trend, I felt wonderful, I was so strong, I had a crazy pump.

Yeah, that's cool.

That's the same thing with everyone.

But did it fuck up your brain or not?

Yeah.

No.

That's awesome.

That's good.

No.

I think there are definitely some coaches that don't really pay attention to that.

And it kind of fucking bothers me, to be honest.

So it's good to hear that.

Yeah, it depends who I'm talking to.

You know, like there's some people, I'm not going to ask them much details or deep details because I know that they don't have them.

And even if they have them, it's not going to be accurate because

like they don't do that for so for for so long they don't have a good understanding of what the you know so then it does that make sense to make them think you know and or even to ask them the question you know

it's like tell me what what works better for you right

first you they're gonna be like in terms of what food well i like beef

and that's someone asked you know i asked you what works well for you so instead of doing that i tell i asked them for on food let's say i asked them, is there any allergies you have of food intolerances?

And I define it if they need.

I say food that when you eat,

your stomach hurts, your digestion just slows down or accelerates, and it just doesn't feel what you know.

Same thing with the with compounds, but food, people normally, when they reach like 25 years, they know some food that they can't eat.

It just doesn't work, you know.

Uh, PDs, normally, when you reach 20, 25, we don't know because you never use it.

And if you use it, you're just

being using it for a couple of years, you know.

So

your experience is not going to be good enough.

But if you work with some really

experienced pro, then they can tell you what works with them, what doesn't work, how they feel with this and this.

Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that.

Regarding the insulin sensitivity supplements like

berberine, chromium, RALA, you know, metformin, do you ever find find that these

I don't like metformin?

You don't like metformin?

I don't think it's a it's a it's a good idea to start using those things automatically when you want to improve insulin sensitivity.

I think that metformin is a medication that is prescribed to to heal a problem.

Yeah, I think that insulin sensitivity can be just improved by just

managing your carbs better

first.

If that's not enough, you can use some GDA that's going to do that's going to do pretty much the same job.

Yeah, there's one thing that we need to remember with metformin is that you lose sensitivity on that thing.

Like the longer you use it, the less effective it get it

is.

So if you use metformin daily for like two, three years, it's not going to have the same effect on you.

Berberin has around 70% the same effect as metformin for

equivalent weight, okay?

But you don't lose any sensitivity.

Gotcha.

Okay.

So, yes, if I have to use one of them on a really short term, metformin is more effective.

But I would still pick

the berberine because after a year or two or more, Tamil is going to be safe.

Okay.

And

I was going to say something else, and I forgot.

And there's an argument I heard many times, the time I talked about bobering versus metformin.

I've been told, yeah, but the boberin is

catabolic because

I read a study that's saying that if you use

boberin, you can lose muscle-sized muscle tissue.

I feel like they're talking about that pathway.

The

AMPK pathway with

that study, those tests they did, they did it on

mouse, on mice, you know, in the lab.

Those mice are like 70 gram, and they gave them like 100 milligram or or 200 milligram of bug rubber, which is way too much for them.

They don't have a diet, like

they're just eating, it's just mice.

Of course, they're going to catabolize because

it's going to put their blood sugar to zero.

And then why are they going to deplete muscle tissue?

If you're a 200 pounds

male bodybuilder, and you use milk and you're under anabolics, you know, like any kind of treaties, normally if you put burger in, you shouldn't be afraid of catabolism.

Yeah.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of coaches like you who have a lot of experience with Burberry as well.

And like, none of the clients freaking like, they don't get smaller.

You know, they don't get bigger.

And it doesn't ever...

Out of the anecdotal evidence, it seems there's if there is any difference, it's completely negligible because it just can't be seen or

recorded.

You can use Burberry in your round if you're on a really high combat, use it your round, you're not going to lose any size.

Do you find, find, though, that any of these tend to cause problems with digestion with some of your clients?

It can, but then it's going to be really, really individual.

Yeah.

I can't really make a rule of,

or even percentage.

I could make you observe a bit more and like document, you know, like

who has what in terms of supplements and digestive programs.

But it's going to be really, really individualized.

And you don't really know.

Sometimes you're going to use it.

Let's say your inboard.

Your imbalance had people who use it on club

works wonderful they use it the whole prep they drop it at 10 days out so one week out and they don't have any side effect nothing then we don't have a prep the year after this this they start using it they get anxious how to how heart rate goes crazy high they're like they they are like feeling a little bit like fainting why it's the same thing but you just have different reaction because I don't know for some reason it's the same thing with superman sometimes

yeah I'm glad you said that too I've noticed that, uh, I've noticed that with some others and myself as well.

Sometimes you'll be fine, and then sometimes, like, another period of time, like your body is just kind of in a different state, or maybe your digestion has been overstressed, and that's what kind of triggers like a reaction.

For example, like I've been able to take berberine for such a long time in my past, but uh, during one of my off seasons where my digestive system, I feel like it was already a little bit stressed, berberine exacerbated it for me.

Then, the problem is not the berberine, the problem is your digestive system already already

stressed.

That's that, like you need to fix that thing

before thinking that because you

if you just want to

like take a short decision have a quick decision you're gonna say like well digestion is that good since i included since i started burger

yeah but then if you if you if you if you think about it a bit more you're gonna be like well actually i used burgering before it worked perfectly i felt really good with it but I started it and I know that my digestive system was already tired, inflamed,

like whatever, and it made it worse.

Okay, the problem is not the burger now.

Yeah, attack the problem at its roots for sure.

I said, attack the problem at its roots.

Like, I think that's one of the most important things.

Yeah, it's the same thing with Termi Satan.

It's really common for coaches or people to use Termisatan when they start a cycle.

They're like, yeah, I use test and primo and whatever.

And then they're like, I'm going to use Termisatan with it for my blood pressure.

Yeah, but do you have any blood pressure for?

No.

Do you have before?

No.

Why is the blood pressure not normal?

So why are you putting Tamisatan inside?

Yeah.

No, because at some point you're going to have to quit it.

But then your body is not going to look the same because you disturbed it by using a high potential.

No, it's not the name in English.

But something that lower your blood pressure.

Whenever someone's,

I guess if someone's blood pressure is high and they're having issues and they have have to use telomisar and sometimes it's not helping um do you feel like the the main solution is just to lower the test or lower the the compound dosage sometimes yeah i mean most of the times yeah

like you know if you have someone who is i mean i don't do that but if you have

uh an artist who is using like uh i'm gonna take an extreme example like one or two i'm not saying it's something you should do or it's i'm not i don't validate at all but let's say one gram of test one gram of data and let's add 600 of borderline most stupid cycles.

And

like just dwell, and then it's like, oh, my head hurts, my pressure is high, I'm gonna use thermisalter.

You really think that that's the problem?

It's because you don't have thermisatin that you're feeling like that, and you have those side effects.

Is it because of uh the lack of thermisattin, or is it because of the storage abuse?

You know,

yeah,

that's how that's done during the off-season.

Is there anything that you do specifically or anything that you uh keep in mind with the clients to help prevent their waist from growing?

Belt.

Use a belt.

I'm not saying use a belt every exercise all the time.

Yeah.

I'm differently not saying use a waist trainer all day round and walk around with it or sleep with it.

That's really bad.

I'm saying that if you do barber rows, if you do dumbbell rows, if you do squats, any kind of squats,

if you do standing lateral raises or dumbbell curves,

uh or even bench cross any kind or inclined version, put a button.

It's going to keep your core, it's going to keep your core tight all the time.

So it might not make it smaller, but it's going to keep it as it is.

It's just prevention now.

Right.

That's not good too.

Then, of course, vacuum,

of course, I mean, there's another thing that people neglect a bit: is the

you need to think about the food volume and the type of and your nutrient sources.

You know?

Yeah.

First, the veggies, don't eat 300 grams of veggies a meal.

Yeah, you don't need, you don't need, put 100, put even less, token.

Then sometimes there's some smart choices to make.

If you're looking for carbs,

look at the size that it takes to have 100 grams of carbs from white rice, from cream of rice, and from

sweet potatoes.

Boiled sweet potatoes.

Look the different volume.

Then on top of this volume problem, you have how long it's going to take to be digested which says it's going to pile up in your in your stomach yeah it piles up it distance so that's also something that you have to consider and the last thing yeah or but i don't do it

right yeah

even though there is still some that slam anderjol in the offseason it's hard not to yeah you can also work your abs differently like if you if you've been working your abs with really heavy weight don't do it

It's okay to put some weight to like maybe

have some

stronger contraction.

So just like even to grow them because you like a little bit of volume and separation on your apps, but don't go like sets of 10 super high or like

you don't need to do that.

Gotcha.

Okay.

This is all good.

All good advice, I think.

As far as training goes, is there any particular training methods that you like to implement your clients or any that you are you find favorable?

Or

I guess particularly in the offseason as they're trying to gain as much muscle as they can in off season the main idea would would be to be to

uh

try to be as strong as you can week after week month after month you need to get stronger with the same the same rep branch that you

the one you feel comfortable with the one you feel the safest with

uh and on the

there's two ways to see the exercise selection the first one is to see what is the most effective for you and your body type and your weakness and what you need to bring up.

And the second one is to just think, okay, there's some exercise, like some movement that I'll avoid him because I don't like that, because they're not comfortable.

And because I know that they're going to challenge me too much, I don't want to do it.

So let's say some people just don't have legs,

their legs suck.

And then when you look at their programmation, you look how they trend, there's no squats, no hack squat.

There's your leg press, leg leg extension.

I'm sorry, I'm taking like a really weird example, like worst example.

So you're like, okay, so it might be because your legs are not growing or not where they're supposed to be because you're trying to go around the exercises that make you feel uncomfortable.

You know,

there's some movement that's going to put you

in front of the fact that you're not strong.

You know, you can't do four place squats, like as two rats or even five, or five threads, or even.

So even instead of doing that and facing this and trying to improve this, you go do some leg press,

you know, and then you're gonna do like two different leg press.

One is gonna be 45 degrees, or one is gonna be 60, 90,

whatever.

And I think that you should, there is some movement that you really need to do,

even if you don't like them.

If you want to build a really big back, really good back, really dense back,

those like exercise like this on the cables, they're cool, but it's not going to bring your back up.

Like, if you want to bring it, if you want to really

build up your back, you need bubble rolls, you need dumbbells, you need LD addiction, you know how to do it, you need like some heavy uh pull down, you need this, you know.

Yeah, like that, that's how I see it.

Do you find any place for intensifiers at all?

Yeah, okay,

yeah,

uh, not every set of every exercise because your your nervous system is going to burn up.

Even if it's not during that particular training, you're not going to recover the same for the next training.

And even if you do, after a free, four training doing that, you're done.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

there's some like, you know, four straps, for example,

I really don't advise force reps on squats.

I don't advise force rep on

uh like inclined bench press or flat bench rest.

That's some movement I wouldn't do or leg extension, you know, when there's only one, one joint that is in the movement, you know?

Like, or curl, you know, when you're doing like a pre-choke curve and the last rep, you can't do it.

So someone is helping and you're struggling like this.

Oh, no, don't do that.

Like that's really risky.

You're going to injure yourself.

And

even worse, because I've seen that too, friends.

Friends, they have a thing when you go on a pre-choke curl, go like this, you put a weight that is not that heavy for you, and you're going to go down and someone is going to pull it down for you, like this, and then you go up yourself.

No, don't do that, like it's like preacher curl is you go.

There's some movement, and you can do those kinds of uh of intensifier, you just can put them

gotcha.

Okay,

do you happen to have any favorite kind of intensifiers?

Um, something that uh I know Hanny Rambaud has some interesting stuff with his uh FST7 sets, yeah, holding phases.

Um, I really liked Patrick Tor's uh implementations of where

either you have a rest pause set

until you have one rep left in the tank or you do something such as like a drop set.

But

I think normally they favor like a rest pause set so that you're still keeping like the mechanical tension about the same with the same amount of weight.

So this one thing I really like to do, but I know I can do it every exercise and every train.

When I'm almost at failure, let's say I'm doing a chest press.

So I'm not gonna do the dumbos, for example.

It's not gonna happen with like a dumbbell or like chest press, any kind.

But on a chest press on a machine,

what I want to do, right?

When

I can't do that, I really like.

I'm gonna like go all the reps I can.

Then when I can't, I know like the next rep is not gonna go.

I stop, I ask my training partner to pull it with me here, and then I'm gonna like notice,

like,

gonna try to, you know, like control it for as long as I can and and fight it to not, you know,

go, like, go, hold on.

I'm gonna do that twice.

Ah, gotcha.

That's something I like.

Then rest pause, I love it.

Not on everything, because let's see you're doing like a

stupid as an example here, but like barber rolls, you know, like you had four plates, you go like 10 reps.

You can't have the 11, so you know it, so you rack it.

And then you're like, okay, I take 30 seconds and I go for another two.

You're gonna go for another two reps on the barber rolls with four pets, moving out.

I think that most of the intensifiers, maybe there's some that I don't know.

So I'm just saying most of them, they have a place.

You just need to use them smartly and not put them everywhere.

Yeah, they can definitely be very fatiguing, especially if you're not, I think, picking and choosing the right places to implement them.

This is kind of a little bit off topic, but it was something that I was thinking about.

That I do like to ask because I know

this comes up, this comes up in my life all the time.

But as a competitor,

are there any points I think during your coaching journey where you just felt like an immense amount of anxiety?

Anxiety.

The answer sounds really out of anxiety thing, but you know what?

I don't feel pressure.

I don't feel stress from it, from coaching.

Even when I have people competing for the biggest titles, like it happened a couple of times, or the biggest shows, it's not pressure, it's not stress, you know.

Like,

I

like the idea of

doing this podcast is not to talk about like my childhood and shit, but I didn't grow up in a really

nice or really comfortable environment

childhood and teenage hood.

I was not like this.

So

I still have some responsibilities.

So for me, for me, having someone competing or coaching people, that's not pressure or stress.

Stress is when I don't know where I'm going to sleep or what is my next place going to be.

This is stress.

This is pressure.

When I have people depending on me to eat or to have a place to stay and sleep, this is pressure and stress.

bodybuilding and having people on stage and like

what what that coach said here about me, and that athlete saying that posted that's to it.

Okay, but there's no pressure, no stress.

Okay,

do you feel like this is, um, I guess, a ride from

like remembering where you came from?

Maybe, maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe it's that, you know, maybe it's not.

I mean, I happily to not freak out when

it could be or should be stressful for some other people.

I think that everyone has a different kind of

resistance to stress.

And I think that I think I find something stressful that you will not, and someone else will not, you know.

I just think is that for me,

for me, it's a sport.

It's kind of a game or playing it, you know.

And

if I have someone company, and yeah, I want them to do to perform.

I want the best for the people I'm working with.

But

and yeah, if I have someone fighting, like fighting, no, it's not fighting, but

posing on stage for the Olympia, yeah, I might have a little bit of pressure, pressure, you know.

But am I gonna start shaking and go hypo and be anxious and lose sleep the night before, you know, or not eat for a week?

No,

I don't know.

It's like I'm gonna have that pressure that is just gonna make me

force me to make sure everything is perfect.

This is the kind of pressure I feel.

But anxious, I don't see any reason why I should be anxious

about this.

I think no matter what's happened in my life, whether it was

the closest people to me passing away or it was

losing everything that I had for

a year,

I just think that

everything in every year that I've experienced has always

just not been as hard because I've always had a base point to refer to because nothing was just as hard as the things I experienced when I was younger or when I was a child.

And I just think that there's a lot of us that can.

Well, it's like if I it's it's it's it's like you know in a week time I all my area I lose all and what for on what reason I have to stop coaching for a real reason and do some I'm gonna be like well I'm still not at my lowest point in life it's been worse

you know like if if I have one bad season happens happened uh if i have one rebad season or one rebad olympia well i'm still in a much better position than i ever been before you know yeah

like it's it's it it it has been way worse than this so

what why why would i be anxious about it again like if there's example i'm can i can i i can i can maybe like think why but i don't see any any any scenario in coaching people when I will be anxious

or feel any refresher, you know.

It's like well, you don't jump to this QA.

Got a few good questions from the audience.

Yeah, it's cool, huh?

Yeah,

got a lot of them, honestly.

Yeah, bring them wrong.

Um,

you kind of already answered this, to be honest, earlier in the podcast.

But Maury791102 asks, please ask him about his water depletion protocol.

Which I'm assuming

he said, please ask him about his water depletion protocol.

Did you see who Azash before?

Mori

791102.

I thought it was some fun.

I thought it was someone I knew.

Okay.

What is my water depletion protocol?

I'm assuming he's assuming that you have a protocol like many other coaches where you solely deplete water during peak week.

But it seems that you kind of have more of the opposite

for me.

I'm not saying that at some point I'm gonna reduce it.

I'm never gonna cut it.

And in some cases, I'm even gonna increase it.

Which cases do you find yourself reducing it?

Reducing?

Yeah.

When I need to dry out someone,

and either there's been too much carbs and we're spinning over a little bit,

or

it just needed because that body type is gonna need a little bit less water.

When I say reducing, I'm not talking about like

a glass of water a day, you know, like

that's for me zero.

I'm talking to have like half a gallon in the day.

You know, that's the lowest I would go, half a gallon a day.

Gotcha.

Makes sense.

Half a gallon?

Yeah, a little bit more.

It's two liters.

So it's not even

a little bit more than half a gallon.

TS Long229 asks water retention management while running GH and AAS anabolic steroids.

Recommended sodium intake.

Question, Mike.

So, oh, sodium.

There's no rule.

There's no rule because

you can need one gram a mil, you can you can eat two.

So, and you can hit it's rare, but you can need more less than than one point one gram a mil.

But what you need to check is why you're getting that water retention.

Is it because your GH is too high?

Is it because your

way where you pull it throughout the day is not good?

Is it because your EAS are too much?

Is it because you're aromatizing a bit too much?

Is it because your kidney function is going down?

So you're retaining more water?

Like there's many scenarios you can think, you know, that are creating that water retention.

Yeah.

So

I can answer every scenario with another hour.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, but those are all really important.

really important points to make.

No, but

that person can maybe text me on honestly Instagram I'll be happy to at least like uh

maybe like show the way of Nelson or like try to like pull her on the or pull him from him on the

kinda on on the way to to to to fix it.

Yeah.

Um Antonian

Antonian.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know him.

Yeah, no,

I'm mentoring him.

Oh, nice.

You said uh when did you start to think shit, I'm going to win an Olympia one day?

Oh,

well, honestly, I started this

coaching at the beginning.

So the first, when I started coaching, I was like, okay, I saw those coaches in the US.

Most of them, everyone was in the US.

And some of them,

this one or two, they're my age, they're already coaching Olympians.

What did I do wrong?

You know, like, you're already there, I'm not.

And

of course, they know something I don't know, you know?

Like, they're better than me at something.

Like,

I need to figure out what it is.

And then, what I

was like, okay, now I'm at the Olympic.

It took me a little bit of time, but I'm at the Olympia with those guys.

But I'm still behind that.

And I see those coaching legions who has like, they have like five, six, seven, ten Olympia.

I was like, oh, they did it.

Why would I not do it?

You know?

And then I was like, oh no, I'm pretty good at what I'm doing.

It's like,

almost won the Olympia once.

Oh, almost won the Olympia twice now.

Well, maybe, maybe I can win the Olympia.

Okay, I'm going to win one.

You know, like, it's just the idea that would first like, like,

it's like

you have that idea in your mind, but it's just like some small idea, it's just whispering you the idea.

And then it's like, it's not even the idea whispering.

It's like you saying, it's like, now I'm going to do it.

Right.

Yeah.

I feel like these

whispers in our head slowly grow as our, as we grow in our journey.

But I think we want to be somewhere, but we don't normally expect ourselves to be there many of the times.

You just end up being there.

And sometimes you're a little bit afraid that

you're going to look a little bit too arrogant when you go from, I'm a really low-level coach somewhere lost in the...

in the in the arts of France and you're like, I'm going to be one of the best coaches in the world.

If you say that, how odd actually saying it at that time, like, I'm going to be the best in France.

But I didn't realize that France is a really small country, you know.

And then I was like, okay, I want to be one of the best in what I'm doing in the world.

You know, like, I'm still not there yet, but I'm the closest I've ever been from this.

Yeah.

I think it's pretty damn close.

I think pretty damn close.

There's some cultures that are like, yeah,

I don't think I'm ever going to match what they did.

I don't think so.

I will try, I will do everything I can to match it

before I retire, but

I know I'm not gonna match this, but yeah, and they're relaxed.

Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, well,

it's actually good, you know, it's like you, you,

you see that you have some people they are so far from you, you know, in terms of result and what they accomplish, that you're like, okay, that's how far I can take it.

I'm so far from him, and it's actually nice to see that that's the maybe the end.

But every year they keep doing more, and you keep doing more, but you, you know, as you're always chasing them, you know, even if it's not the idea, then you're not chasing them.

Well, it gives you something, like it gives you some limits, you know.

It's like if if I told you, uh, if you were a runner and I tell you, like, okay, it's impossible for you, it's impossible for any human to to to to to run the 100 meter in more in in less than uh 11 seconds.

Well, no one would do it.

You just put the idea, it's a limit.

Everyone thinks that's not it's impossible.

No one did it.

But then a guy is gonna do it.

Then he did it, then it becomes possible.

And then you're looking to like, okay, I can beat that, I can beat this, I can beat this, I can be this, and do better, you know.

So

yeah,

I want to win an Olympia,

at least one.

And I'm pretty sure when it's going to happen, because it won't happen.

When it's going to happen, I'm going to be like, oh, let's win two, three, five.

Let's see how many I can win.

Yeah.

Antonin also asks, best tips that you would give, best tips you would give to him.

I guess the best tips that you would give to yourself when you first started

buy $10,000 of Bitcoin.

I would start with this and I will start coaching.

Best tips?

I mean,

if it's in terms of coaching and coaching only, I would maybe, there's maybe some collab that I had with some athletes that if I could advise myself to not do it, I would not.

No?

Like, there's some artists I help them and I just want to buy down girls.

For many reasons i can be anything but yeah but that's one of the reasons and then i would also give myself the advice to help a little bit more athletes of different like you know like i always have athletes i never post i don't talk about it uh i don't post them and i have them and i coach them

i coach and a couple of them comments on post sometimes but i don't want to post them Why?

Because I just have them, you know?

Like they ask me questions, I have them.

I look at the plans, I have them too.

But they're living in places that I know they can't afford it, you know?

Simple suit.

And

or if they can, if they can't afford something, I'll go out and tell them, okay, pay me what you care.

And I don't even take it, you know.

And I just have that.

And

why I do that, because I remember that when I was, when I wanted to compete and when I wanted to learn, I couldn't find anything.

It's like I literally couldn't find anything.

Like I couldn't find any platform to learn.

There was nothing until I found trained by gp which is by the way the platform i learned a lot of things to

um

actually what you're going to show up yeah and

so yeah i learned a lot of a lot from from from him and from the platform and from the people

who were still at our platform too uh some some of them and

and also i couldn't afford a coach you know because when i was asking coaches i was broke like broke broke but i was like i'm gonna find someone that was gonna be like in my butchers i I don't know.

I had no idea.

I was reaching out to some trees, reaching out to some coaches, and they were like, Yeah, I'm $300, $400, $500.

I'm going to go like, what the fuck?

I don't know how the money.

Yeah.

All right.

I was broke, broke, no?

And now I'm like, okay, sometimes they inquire.

I see that they have the passion.

They've been working on it for some time.

They educate themselves.

They coach themselves.

They look, wow.

I'm like, I want to help you.

Even if I don't really coach you, at least I'm going to help you.

And yeah, I should have thought that a little bit more.

That's cool.

Cosmon Fit asks: This is an interesting one.

Uh, from a coach's viewpoint, what did Minagate do to change so much in a couple of days?

I didn't fool that thing.

I saw, I saw that he's comparing in Tampa tomorrow.

Yeah,

I saw that the main threat for him of a poetro is the British guy.

I don't, I can't pronounce the Instagram name, yeah.

Uh, Nile,

yeah, that's one punch man, yeah, that one,

And I saw an idea.

Like, it's going to be one of Yoga winning.

Might be another one that I saw that looks good too.

But most likely, it's going to be one of the other.

But I didn't follow.

I don't really have the time to follow how they change or how what they do.

So

I just took a picture of the show and just check what's going on and all.

So

I wish I could understand, but I have no idea.

I have no idea what happened.

And even if I did,

the only thing I could do is guess.

And I would not do it because if I guess and it's nothing that, you you know, sometimes

you guess that what people do, it's like

you know, where you see someone who is ripped and you're like, Yeah, he used a bunch of diabetic.

Actually, he didn't, it's his hoting, you know.

Yeah,

like you see, it's a little bit of something as well.

So, I don't, it's like I try to not do it, or at least not publicly, you know, like I'm like, okay, I think this is what they happen, or I think that's you know, I'll try to imagine a scenario that makes sense, but I don't want to do it publicly or post it publicly because I think it's a little bit sorting for the coach or the athletes or another one, do not.

Yeah, I get it.

Boy, but I'm curious who's going to win.

I like both of their shape.

I have a preference for Neal, honestly.

If I have to choose one.

But the other one is super good.

Right, yeah.

I'm so curious too, but it just sucks because you never know from pictures.

You just don't.

It's impossible.

Instagram pictures, like everyone looks so drastically different.

I feel like Nick Walker is like a good example of like, you know, he just posts his normal basement pictures and I just don't think they look fucking any fantastic at all he looks crazy but like the the pictures just look you know as mid as they can go as bodybuilding check-in as they can be but then you see the bro on stage yeah

stage is where you can you can rejudge uh sometimes even on j on stage they're like they look like one of them looks insane you one looks a little bit bent behind but you it's still like you still don't understand why one won and one got second one third but well i guess

even on stage sometimes it's a bit weird but definitely Instagram pictures or even YouTube videos, you know, like from this from shows.

Uh, careful, you have to be careful where you how you like appreciate what you see, you know.

Uh, I remember the main example I remember, was 2021 Terrence step on stage, uh, Prejudging.

He's pure as fuck, real pure.

And then, you know, the big account start posting the picture of the Prejudging, and i see the i i go and i read the comments because i was not used to it no no i don't do it anymore i i go and read the comments terence is the softest he ever been he's so soft

even pre-judging in new york people i saw some comments uh on some from some account terrence looks super soft so like super soft i was like three rolls from like that's ridiculous

i saw him going here and say i was like well we're good i even told them like to the guys like even Antonio DeGaro, which is asked the question, I told him, I said, oh, we're good, we're good, we're good.

Like, we're like, today we're really good.

He did like two poses, turned his back, closed, you know, behind to show the original.

I was like, oh, we're good.

Yeah, Terrence was peeled at New York for sure.

It's just, uh, I mean, he was peeled in Pittsburgh too.

It was just a little bit flat, but I prefer New York look.

But if you tell me that Terrence was soft in one of those shows, I will be like, really?

Did we watch the same show?

How far were you from the screen?

Right.

Yeah.

It's just,

you know how the fans go,

especially if they favor someone else.

Sometimes you get a mistake too, to be honest.

I see the pictures on Instagram, I give an opinion, and then I see the

and then I see a really high-quality video like that guy.

I really like his videos, uh, Gilco Jirco.

I don't know how to pronounce his name.

Uh, he's he's doing some really good, high-quality videos at the shows.

Girl, oh, Jilco, yeah,

Jilco productions.

That's actually maybe the closest we have from what it actually is on stage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Plus, I mean, if you

fucking anyone who's up against Jose, it's going to be fucking cold soft, honestly.

Especially by Jose's own fans.

Yeah.

Yoked Rooster asks, off-season fiber intake targets to balance both digestion and health lipids on high calories.

The beginning of the question, what is it?

what would your off-season fiber intake target be to balance both digestion and health and lipids on high calories you know with fibers what i find interesting is that some people don't need it like you don't need to be like you don't need to count you don't need to put them a number you need to be careful with it and some people if they don't have it they have really really bad digestion you know yeah

I think that I think that the the real number is just you know like in the middle you need to check.

You know, if it's not enough, you're going to see it immediately.

Okay.

You're going to feel it immediately.

You're going to have a feedback immediately.

It's like going to be like, ah, it's been three days.

I didn't go to solid.

Or I think my stomach is hard.

You see it.

Or my digestion is so slow.

I can't eat my next meal at the end of the day.

I'm really starving.

That's needs fibers.

Digestion is too slow.

And then you have those people who just get a perfect digestion.

I'm all on them.

It's like, I eat no fibers.

I don't pay attention at it.

I have a perfect digestion.

Always been like this.

That's That's awesome.

And I have some people that are like,

hurts, I need my fibers.

Well, wow, I'm making fun now.

That's the idea, no.

So I can't really, it's the same thing, same thing with a soldier.

I can't really give a number or wrench or rule.

You know, I don't like to do that because

if I give you a number, I tell you, like, yeah, one gram per powder body weight of fibers, oh, no, that's insane.

I was just imagining myself 200 grams.

If I give you that kind of rule, like this.

No, no, it's not going to be accurate.

Don't worry.

So try to first spread your fibers throughout the day and see how it feels.

And then start increasing maybe like a little bit more in the morning, a little bit more on your, like maybe

two meals,

like the second to last meal before going to bed.

You know, like try to, you have to

experiment and see how you feel with.

Uh, Christian Hennessy asks: Do men's physique competitors need trend at the amateur level?

No one needs trend,

it's not a need, you know, like you need air, you need water, you don't need trend.

Like, it's really sweet.

Like, just imagine if I say, Yeah, yeah, the need.

You know, like, no, that's deep trend.

No,

don't think like this.

The question is, would you get a better men's physics look using trend or not?

And then

you also need with that particular compound to ask yourself or to ask the question,

the look that I'm gonna create with the trend, if it's a better look.

Let's say like, I'm okay, let's let's start with saying

I'm gonna have a better look if I use trend.

Okay, that's the idea, uh, for men's physics.

Okay.

Uh, is it gonna

the mental damage that I'm gonna have?

Are they gonna be worth the look that I'm gonna create?

That's the question.

If you use it on really short period of time, it should be fine.

If you use it on a short period of time, a really low dose, it should be even more fine.

If you start thinking that trend is gonna transform your physics and your life, yeah, it will, but not in a good way.

Like, if you start blasting 100 milligrams of trend a day or more,

and for like six months, you're not going to be the same guy at the end of the six months.

And sadly, it might stay like this

because you're really disturbing and destroying your brain chemical bias.

And mostly, from what I could read about it and understand about it, because there's not that many studies about it.

But what's new about it is it really, really disturbs and destroys your cortisol level level and your brain, which is not something you want to do.

And at some point, those damage, you can't reverse them, you can't fix them.

So

the question is, is the look that I'm going to create with trend, is it a better look for me, for my physics?

Yes or no?

If yes, is it worth what I'm going to have to sacrifice in terms of

your brain?

I know it's not an insane amount of anecdotes, but I've read and seen some of the anecdotes myself of some people that just have uh

according to the people close to them have just changed permanently from an enormous amount of trend use.

And um,

it's kind of a scary thing because I think uh something I'm trying to press is the same thing that you just stated: is that trend is not necessary in any prep whatsoever.

Obviously, is it beneficial?

Probably in a lot of them, but

um, not always at the doses that people expect, not always at the protocols that people

look the

open guy I started working with is a guy who's been, I want to name because if I name, it means I'm gonna put the blame on the previous coach.

I think I don't want to do that.

Yeah, and it's not the point.

But

we started the prep, he was so we did a good, really productive off-season.

After that off-season, I just wanted to clean him up a little bit, you know, like but while on the TRT, just drop a bit of fat, you know, and we end up at 1.8

kills.

So that's

2.2.

That's 282 pounds.

Okay.

At the end of that kinetic phase,

just before we started the prep.

Started the prep, dropped some weights.

Now

he lost 15 pounds, much leaner, like he's six weeks out now.

And I told him, okay, let's start trend.

He's like, okay, how much?

I told him, 20 milligrams every other day.

20.

I was like, 20 or 200?

And you missed zero?

I was like, no, 20.

I never used that law.

Well,

now you will.

Try it.

We tried it.

He changed.

He's literally changing every day.

I'm not saying it's because of the trend, because there's many of the things that we're using.

When I say many of the things, I don't mean like many of those steels, but many of his strategies, like his diet.

It's the first time in his volume in Korea that he's doing cardio fasting in the morning.

He never did that.

His food sources are totally different.

His training is also totally different.

I wrote him a whole training plan and I changed him like two or three times.

So there's many things, it's not just a trend, but

he's telling me I don't see the benefit now of using more trends in this from the beginning.

Yes, he's going to use, he's going to use more.

Yes, he's going to need more,

but why would I use the main, I mean, the

full dose of like the peak dose, why would I use use it from the beginning?

Yep.

And also, Trey, a little tip, even if you stopped in the question, also works with NPP and DK, it's the same comparison.

If you have to use Trem,

pick the acetate, not the enantate.

Because if you have any side effects that are really bad, it can be anything.

If it's acetate, it's out of your body in three, four days.

If it's enantier, it's going to stay there for two, at least two weeks.

I know the active album is not two weeks, but it's still going to

do the

thing is going on for two weeks.

So I'd rather, if I have to, and same thing with NPP and DK, DK is going to be three weeks half-life.

So like five, six weeks to fill nothing.

NPP is five days.

So if I let's say, let's take

a side effect with NPP and DK that is not the most annoying one, but you put NPP and then you start having a guy solidly really annoying.

Uh, if it's if it's in and you want to use it like an anti-ostrogen or something, but you don't have it on hand, or your anti-osterine is fake, or it doesn't work, whatever the reason, if you you just stop the NPP, even if you have the anti-ostrogen, by the way, just stop the MPP and fix your gyno.

That's more important than having some gains, you know, fix the gyno.

So

five days later, NPP is out of the way.

Most, most of it, you know, like the

body effects are out of or gone are going now.

If you were using DK, it means that you ejected it twice.

Actually, you didn't because before the DK starts being active in your body, it's not from the first injection, you have to inject it many times because the first injection is only going to be active like a little bit later.

But by then, you probably did another two injections.

So then it builds up, it goes high and high, high.

And those weeks, it's only going to go high for like two weeks, then it's going to go down.

If you were having a gyno, it's only going to get worse.

You can do nothing, you're just going to look at this and watch it grow a bit.

So that's why I also prefer LDP over DK, and I prefer tren acetate over trendate.

I'm on par with that too.

Just Cam asks: as a coach, do you see any difference in blood work when it comes to different races?

Races, races, yeah, the EGFR, the kidney function, you need to appreciate it depending on uh uh on the

i don't like to use the mod the word racist because we don't do that here it's like it's a bit weird but i i understand the idea i know it's not uh it's that's that offending or or wrong but right yeah like yeah egfo uh is it

is it egfr english yeah the egfi yeah kidney yeah it is yeah that one more that one and there's another one but it's it's not that important there's Might be some other ones if you go really deep and really specialize, but they always write it on the side.

But EGFR is the one I you have to be careful with.

Gotcha.

I think if you have

for the black population,

you need to add 20 points on what you read.

I think it's

always written on the side, so I don't remember the rule, but it's probably something.

Right.

It's one of the things that I always find like just the most intriguing to analyze minor is just the differences in

the differences in bodybuilding among like different ethnicities and races and like how you have to overcompensate for certain, like

you'll get like at a like a freaking, like an East Asian, like a South Korean, for example.

They will just always, like a majority of the time, they just have these amazing dominant legs, bro, and this small waist.

But then you got to do all this to just bring up their backs.

And it's just like the same with each like ethnicity and race has their own strengths.

So I always find it so fun and interesting because

I feel like they also sometimes they also seem to have their own like divisions that they may be that they may excel in more than others.

Um, yes, but

it just differs.

It's not wrong to sell that.

Uh,

oh, yeah, yeah,

I see that the Asian, let's let's say Asian, they have really good legs.

Is it because of genetic, or is it because over there they really like to squat and there's like a big

in porphyz.

I don't know,

I don't know how it is there.

I don't know, I can't, I'm just thinking about different scenarios, yo.

Right.

Okay, this is a strange question a little bit, but Abbas Gil asks,

can someone prep for a competition using SARMs and peptides only?

No.

I mean,

well, yeah, people do.

Like,

is it the question, did someone do it?

What was the question?

I think is, can someone prep for a show using only SARMs and peptides?

Yeah, it's allowed.

You're allowed to do it uh like you're not gonna get a fine if you do it

and you're not gonna get banned from the competition if you do it is it gonna be effective I don't think so uh is it healthy I don't think so uh

is it gonna bring you like to uh

like

like to an Olympia level definitely not zero chance

uh

you're welcome to prove me wrong uh if you have a lot of years to waste but how couldn't do that Like, no,

yeah,

like I don't even use peptides with Atlas except those the two BPC and TB 500 for uh drones.

I only use peptides and sounds never

except except for BPC and TB, yeah, yeah.

Those two I use them, the rest I don't use it.

Not because I don't believe I was, but because I know for a fact that 95 percent of the peptides are fake.

So,

like, I had access to real peptides from uh

Vet Lab in 2014 when I started.

And I used

two.

And it annoyed me so much that I had to pin many times in the day.

I hated that shit.

And

one of them, when I printed, I was feeling super hot for like 10 years after I pinned it.

No, no, no, no.

And it was insane.

I don't know if I still have the pictures because I lost that phone in 2021, but I think I posted some.

And I had the skin that was like people feeling.

It was insane, like really, really good.

And

yeah, I know it was working.

So I was not using any GS at that point, and peptides were really cheap, so I used that.

And when I say cheap, like I bought a whole thing, like a whole

cycle of teptilencet for like four or five months, something

for me and my ex on that time, for like maybe like $200, it was so cheap.

Now $200, you get free virus.

Yeah, for sure.

Crazy now.

You don't happen to remember what the peptides were, do you?

You don't happen to remember what the peptides were in 2014, do you?

What remember?

Was it?

You don't remember which peptides you were using in 2014.

I can't find it.

I can't find it.

I have notes about this, for sure.

We can probably find it and send you.

But the thing is, can you find the same quality?

I thought that Marco wrote me if he made the weight or not.

Well, he probably did.

Well, we started this money under the weight cap, so we should should be okay.

Nice, but no, I don't remember the two persons.

I found them.

I have some notes about this.

I think it's Agiet Frug

and

probably CJC.

Probably those two.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'll double-check as I'm sure.

Luke Paulson 14 asks, what's been your proudest moment in bodybuilding?

Proudest?

I don't know.

I don't think it's about title.

You know what?

Actually, my proudest moment is when I, if I find it, it's not even related to bodybuilding, it was when I came back.

So,

one of my dogs

died exactly four weeks ago now.

I was there.

And

it was a long time I mean long time for me.

I didn't see him.

My dog and me like even my

study on my arm and his name.

I had to travel back in a hurry because they called me

on Thursday morning.

They called me to tell me like, yeah, that's not feeling well.

If you like if you wanna I mean, I won't take him to the vet.

He was staying with a like in the daycare that I'm saying I could take him immediately, take him.

And then I sent a I receive a really short message saying, like, yeah, it's a suspicion of uh like uh generalized cancer, so I'll call the vet immediately to

like tell them what to do, you know.

Tell them to the vet tells me it's like we need to do a surgery to explore his lungs and pop up, so I could do it.

And I say, Okay, like, what do I do?

And she said, Well, he might not make it through the surgery, but if he makes it,

uh, I might have to call you to like, what do I do during the surgery, you know, like if it goes wrong but i knew it was i gotta survive basically like she made it clear and so i flew the day after

so my dog spend the day there and then i i saw my my mom and my brother and my dad are sent up would never happen in like years now

and uh my mom and my dad told me that they were proud of what i was doing and what and how how far how far i made it you know from where we started you know and i think that's the proudest moment i had which is not related to bodybuilding but in a way it is

so yeah i think it's a title, it's not like winning a show, or it's not something else.

That's awesome.

I feel like I can kind of relate.

Um,

for the first time,

I think that I can remember, like, maybe I don't know if it was three, four years, three years ago, or so.

My dad told me he was proud of me, and it just kind of hit different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, because, like, well, when you hear that because you just graduated, or because you

had a good

quote, you know, I mean, you had like a good, I don't know how to say that, but like a good score in a test, or you got like your like your driving license.

Like, no, it's it's things that you should have.

You know, you're not gonna say, uh, you're gonna keep, you're not gonna keep walking your life, you're not gonna be like

illiterate all your life, like it doesn't mean anything.

But when you get to being like an adult, a man, and you have your parents doing that, like seeing that, I think

it means something different, you know?

Yeah,

I think it does.

Yeah.

some fucking silly questions here.

Um, this question might be a little bit specific.

Uh,

you had a silly question?

Uh, the silly one, Paul,

Paolo Bra asks, is black genetic superior for bodybuilding?

If not, which is the superior race, and then in parentheses, it's Filipinos.

I don't know if it's black.

I don't know.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure because the the the guy who dominated in uh in classic is not black uh but then there's a lot of black in that division too uh in uh men's physic i don't even know um it's a black guy um

to twab it's a black guy but then second pay is a black guy too and it's up i guess uh

we have we have open

and open i think we have one iranian

uh

arab

Oh my god, if I say Arab to Iran, I don't like it, but that's the idea.

Direct Lance Fault.

Then,

there's some broadcast, but I think it's pretty spat,

but it's not Filipino rule.

Fuck!

Yeah, I don't know either.

Totally fine.

Uh,

Joseba, Joseba Ipara,

big long fan of the pod.

Joseba's a dope guy.

He asks, what is the longest you would run Clan with a client?

Clan.

Well, I don't really run it that high.

I don't want to say any numbers because the problem when you say numbers,

you sort of I didn't advise any clear numbers.

And they're always

wrong ones, but I never said you should use that much or give a red or something.

So I'm not going going to do that because the problem when you do that is that they

first of all either they make them freak freak out because they're like, oh, I'm using way more,

or it's like, oh, I'm using way less, I should increase it because, like, he's at the Olympia and he's alive and using double my doses, you know.

I don't want to influence people that way.

Uh,

but I think that if you if you go like

10 weeks, 12 weeks,

the thing is, clan is

I have to be careful what I say, but

like

if you go super high dosage, it's extremely dangerous.

If you stick quite low, it's you can control it.

You can keep it under control.

I agree.

So

if you start seeing crazy side effects, like cramping everywhere all the time, stop it.

Like if

it's just like one cramp sometimes, like randomly, so it's kind of normal and expected.

Like, not using clan now

uh but after each back training i have crazy craps on my forearms i know if i use clan it's gonna be even more i'm not gonna freak out but you know

so yeah that that's so

the time i would say as long as you don't feel any crazy side effect or even any side effect you're good

you should be good and i would add that if you With clan, you shouldn't feel any crazy side effect.

That's not how it's supposed to work, you know.

Like, people are like, though, sometimes you see that on some plants.

I saw it.

Start with 20.

Stop me saying that,

but I see that on some plants of other people.

Say, start with 20 and increase every three, four, five, whatever days until you start shaking.

Then hold it like this.

I saw it as well.

Then hold it like this, hold it, like hold it steady and

increase it again until you start shaking again.

Damn.

How high?

How high do I go with this?

Holy shit.

I see that.

But last year, and a few days ago, that was the anniversary of that story I posted.

That was a really sad story.

About a woman who reached out to a client of mine.

I don't remember who, and I've seen it from.

Yeah, I'm still working with that client.

And that client sent me a chip, like a screenshot of the conversation, and she was using

amongst many things, we were talking about clan, she was on two followers of Clan today.

2004

microgram.

And my client was pro, and

this kind of knows what was going on, told her, like, you should never use that.

It's way too much.

You only use it or it's not good, blah, blah, blah.

And her friends replied, Well, I'm following what my coach told me to do.

But I will talk about, I will talk with him.

I will talk about it.

The coach told her, Keep going with this.

It's fine.

I'm in the athletes doing that.

Like, okay, it's fine.

I keep going.

One week later, five days later, something like that,

how to talk should I?

Oh my God.

So

I felt a bit bad about it.

It's not that I could do anything.

I don't know if I could, but a bit bad about it.

I know that my clients got really affected by it.

So I asked her, can I pause the story hiding every name?

I just want to use it as an example to prevent people from doing this.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did.

So yeah.

Careful how much you use,

careful how long you use it.

That's two things you need to be really careful with.

I appreciate you using these stories.

And I mean, like, being, I mean, I know this is just you as a person, but I just feel like I need to give you your flowers for being a coach that cares because

there's a lot that, obviously, as you've experienced, don't.

And I've experienced in my past too, starting off in bodybuilding with coaches that didn't really explain to me

how dangerous certain things could be.

When they tell me to get people I worked on.

I want to say I don't do that with clients, you know, like

I'm coaching them.

I'll answer and answer the questions if it's not stupid questions.

Um, I mean, the kind of question, like, I'm at the supermarket, uh, or I'm home, I forgot to buy a chicken, what can I eat instead?

No, don't, don't, don't text me.

No, but if you want to understand something about why I choose this over this, or why you're starting this over this, or why I change your food to this from this, or why are we doing a carb or a low day, or you can ask.

That's my that's my role to to to

to to answer you about this so you can understand the process and why we're doing things.

What I don't do is to teach you how to use something or how to do something.

I'm not a teacher, I'm not mentoring you, I'm coaching you.

It's different, even if in coaching there's some there's a little bit of mentoring aspect, it's still not mentoring, you know.

Yeah,

um, I think, I guess, just my point though is that uh

even in how you coach, you care about their health, basically.

Oh, yeah, I do, I do

the health, yeah.

But you know, that this, I don't like that argument of fruity.

Uh, like, for example, in that, that, that sad story, uh,

when

she asked her coach, I think I have to find a story.

It's from, I saw it two, three days ago.

You know, it popped up in my,

I was looking at my stories like a year ago, and I saw it.

And

I think the answer was something like, well, because I'm your coach and I've been doing that for a long time, so I know what I'm doing, and I have a lot of actors doing the same thing.

It's a pure argument of authority, it's not explaining anything,

you know.

And

I don't want to do that.

There's some times when you need to do it a little bit, like so for some questions, but when it's so bad, you have no

Christian

Christie, Christy,

dude.

I'm so bad at these, man.

They have like it's like when these letters, dude, these usernames will have like a random X instead of an A or something.

And I'm not sure if that's like part of their name or if they wrote that just as their username.

I know it's just

Christian

Centino asks, so what's your opinion on carb cycling on the off-season?

For example, low carbs on rest days.

I do

a lot.

Yeah, I do a lot because if on rest day, you need less.

And it's a good strategy to

put less carves on a rest day

because it's just going to help you with your body composition and your insulin sensitivity.

I really do think all the best coaches implement carb cycling pretty regularly.

What I don't like is in prep to give a set cycle, you know, like

randomly, like,

I'll just give you an example.

But yeah,

day one, low day, day two, medium day, day three, medium day, day three, three, low day, day five, extremely low day, and then check in.

And keep training, keep the training.

You don't know when the days, the day often needs to be.

You don't, you don't rest when you need your, you rest when it's, it, it's, it's like it's written, you know.

I don't like that.

If I, if I give you a high day because you checked in, and we are at the time and I'm going to have you checking in really, really often, even every day, and I see that you need a refeed or high day or cheat meal i will give you i will tell you to do this you know but to tell you like do three four days of uh this you know

and a cheat meal or a chicken nah it doesn't make sense

gotcha

um

or i'm not or i'm not good enough and i i don't know how to to predict how they're gonna look in five days that's might be this

I think you have a pretty good point there, though.

I mean, I don't, I don't, I think,

I don't even think anyone can really just freaking be able to predict that, to be honest.

I think you need to be on top of your clients when you're doing these things.

And then, and the question that comes to my mind is: how do you send a pick week on Monday or Sunday for the whole week?

Yeah.

How do you send a 12-week PED protocol, 12-week app?

Oh, I'm not saying it's wrong.

I'm asking how.

I want someone to explain that.

Right, right.

It really becomes very, it really becomes like

semi-cookie cutter-like at that point.

Nevia for the soul asks best off-season cycle.

What division, what age, what gender?

Yeah, like what what

level?

What body weight?

I can't answer that one.

I don't know.

It's too open.

My question is a bit too open.

Yeah.

I guess for me, that'll just

help give him a little bit of material.

And we don't have to go into any description of dosages or anything, but how do you feel

off-season cycles tend to differ between a

pro-men's physique competitor and a pro-bodybuilding competitor?

In terms of dosage, yeah.

because

historically they're not supposed to be as big.

Yep.

so if they don't carry the same size they don't need the same amount.

That would make sense even if I know in practice it might be different.

But that's that that's how I see it.

In terms of compound

yeah no

yeah yeah that in terms of compound there's some compounds I wouldn't use with a

women's physical

because

you still want to keep that clean pretty look you know?

I don't think that you can maintain or create that ma that that kind of look when you use some kind of drugs.

I don't think you I don't think you can.

Do you mind me um asking for clarification on what kind of compounds you would try to avoid for mental mentally?

Yeah, yeah, insulin, even if I don't even

I mean, I rarely use it with uh with with open or even or classic.

Yeah, insulin for me immensely shouldn't shouldn't be used.

I think this part that makes sense.

It's

really total personal point of view.

I'm not saying I'm right about this, but no, I don't, I don't think, I don't think so.

Um, Borden, I don't think I would put it in the middle.

Uh, so not something I would put.

DK is not, I don't put any for anyone, but I prefer NPP.

But yeah, I wouldn't.

And that's it.

That's all I can think of.

Cool, awesome.

Um, real Viking poppy asks: uh, do you happen to know why Dubai has become such an incredible hub?

Real Viking Poppy.

Yeah.

Do you happen to know why Dubai has become such an incredible hub for bodybuilding?

Oh, I know why.

I know why.

And

there's many, many things.

First,

you have the best gyms.

literally in the world.

And I can say it because I've been in many gyms around the world.

And

it's not that you have the best gym, it's like you have the best gyms.

Like the level

of the gyms are so high that, yeah, maybe there's one gym in the US or in Japan or in

wherever that is better than all of the gyms here.

But overall, if you check

the standard here, really, really high.

And

you have right now two really big bodybuilding gyms that are only all the best for the world.

The first one is Bino's gym.

Second one is Oxygen Gym.

I'm not going to say which one is better than yours.

I don't know.

I'm not ranking them, you know.

But if you go to one of those gyms, you immediately want to train.

They have all the equipment you can imagine.

There's absolutely nothing missing.

Nothing.

And if there's something missing, it's going to come at some point quite soon because there's always new machines coming.

Dumbass goes up to 200 pounds, like I mean, restroom or clean matters a little bit.

Like,

it's open 24.

Not every day, but most of the days.

You have a restaurant inside the gym that can make your prep, like your meal prep, and it's quite

affordable.

I would say cheap, but at least affordable.

And considering the time you spend going to do your groceries, cut your meat and your veggies and everything, and cook it, and put

you actually, it's cheaper to do it this way.

Like Like, if your time has some value, you know, so you can get all your food done.

You can get the blood work done at your place.

They come at your place.

That's awesome.

Collect it, and then you send.

They send you

the result by in email, like maximum 24 hours later.

You can do that seven days a week, 365 days a year.

There's no day off, it doesn't exist.

And if you want a blood work at 11 p.m., they come and they do it.

Wow.

And that would cost you something between $50

to $200 for the like the more the most detailed blood work.

Wow.

Max, like the $200, you add the like you add you are literally everything for the for this price.

And the weather is perfect.

I mean, sometimes we see your heart, but

like

you can still train and perform because I think that you perform better when it's uh when it's hot or or like

not not like crazy hot but when and then when it's really cold.

You're in the middle of the world mean that you can fly pretty much everywhere from here.

Like and in direct flight you have pretty much all destinations from here.

There's shows all the time, like there's bodybuilding shows all the time, all around.

Not only MPC and LBB, there's I mean uh probably this Robot Federation, but you have that.

You have the Dubai Pro shows, shows.

Like Dubai Pro right now is probably one of the five best shows in the world.

They only have four divisions for now, but

I'm pretty sure they're going to bring women at some point.

I had a talk with the promoter last year, a little bit before the

last year, 2024.

Yeah, last year.

I don't remember when, but I

like we talked for like 30 minutes.

And he told me, like, yeah, we're going to bring women.

We just don't know which division and blah, blah, blah.

And then he wanted to open the gym too, but that's going to happen too at some point.

So I'm pretty sure Dubai is going to be one of the biggest places for bodybuilding in the world.

Yeah.

Right now.

But if you're a bodybuilder and you want to train and you're on the best conditions, right now I think it's here.

Damn.

We're moving to Dubai.

A lot of my friends also that visited there would talk about how

My boy Trevin's girlfriend was talking about how she just loves how, like, you know, even in San Diego, which is a pretty decently nice place, doesn't feel comfortable walking around at night alone.

But

on the other hand,

that is not bodybuilding.

It's just about your

life.

Well, let's say right now I want to order

some chicken that I want to cook or some cooked chicken.

I go on an app, I order it.

It's going to take 20 minutes.

It's deliver on my door.

And

it's going to be the exact same price that the supermarket deliveries free for everything.

Damn.

that's sick.

Yeah, you can order one item.

You can order one egg if you want.

That's wild.

If I don't want to clean, because like I mean, I work a lot

on coaching on all the things.

If I can use my time to not clean my apartments and just hire someone to do it, it's perfect.

And if I want to have someone,

if I'm going to have one person coming to clean for two hours, it's going to cost me $25.

if I want two it's $50 and then the apartment is like brand is insane dude like you wanna you want to go to uh I don't know you want to go to uh get your hair cut I run it's a bit too late but it's open until 11 p.m.

seven days a week wow

like wow

the level of service is insane you want to your girlfriend want to go out with her girlfriends they want to go in the club they drink the party whatever and then she want to to come back home walking.

Nothing is gonna happen to her, it's impossible.

You, you, you're you're in the Dubai mall or in the street, you drop your phone, or you drop your wallet, you come back, it's gonna be exactly where you dropped it, even to even go away.

If someone picks it up, it's gonna be one of the pinners or someone walking in that place that's gonna bring you to the reception and it's gonna stay there, but they're gonna try to reach out to you to give it to give you back.

If the cash is missing inside, someone is gonna go in jail.

Wow,

like right now, I got some delivery like right now that got dropped on my door.

It's been, I don't know how long.

I saw it somewhere.

It's been 12 and 45 minutes with talking.

It's still on my door.

So nothing is going to move.

Wow.

I got crazy things deliver on my place, like expensive things, like, and nothing happens.

It's probably the safest place in the world, or one of the safest places in the world, for everything.

Like, no one's going to squash your car.

It's impossible.

There's cameras everywhere.

Wow.

Like, you steal something, you deport it immediately.

It doesn't matter how expensive that thing that you stole is.

You might even spend like a year or two in jail before the deporture.

Wow.

Wild.

So people don't, people just don't do it.

Like, why would you miss

like stealing something?

I leave my place.

My apartment is

like wide open.

I don't close any door.

I don't even know where my keys are.

I have no idea where my keys are.

I don't know.

I just

don't close anything.

Fuck.

That's crazy, bro.

And the problem is, when I'm traveling outside of

Dubai now, I have the same reflex.

I live the same.

I go to the US.

I'm like, I don't close the door.

I don't care.

I walk around.

I was in New York for the New York.

I was walking around in New York with like

no stress.

No stress

in the streets was like 1 or 2 a.m.

after partying.

Was not being careful of nothing.

Nothing.

You need to remind to remember I did not everywhere is like a while.

That's fucking insane.

Oh, shit.

Um, last question before you go, but uh, Coach Thomas 17 asks, What would you recommend to upcoming coaches that cannot afford mentorship

for what?

For an up-and-coming coach who can't afford mentorship?

Yeah,

um,

that's a good question.

I will, I would recommend to try to

at least link with some coaches who are where you want to be.

There's many, many type of coaching, but let's take the prep coaching because that's what interests us here.

You want to be like a really good prep coach, you need to link and network with people who are already at the position you want to be.

You need to study them, you need to learn how they work,

how they manage the atlas and prep and things, you know.

So you can re-understand what the job is and you can

be inspired.

Take example, being inspired.

Both of them.

Every time you see them posting a story saying, ask me a question, ask questions.

Ask them questions because it's going to make you interact with them.

You're going to learn something.

But then you might even also start a conversation with one of them.

And like, maybe something is going to happen for me.

And

even if you can't afford mentorship,

some coaches are doing consult, you know, like you can just book a consultation to learn a couple of things for an hour or two.

You know what I do?

So, when I do mentorship, uh,

it's different.

Like, I have set prices, you know, that

I'm still not giving in numbers.

But

if you, if you go, if you want to consult because you want to learn something,

then I'm going to adapt the price to the level you have.

Because I'm going to ask you some questions.

I'm going to look at your profile.

If you're already a really good

prep coach, you have a couple of procons or something like that, and you want to learn something, then my price is going to be a bit higher because I'm going to have to be more technical in what I'm talking about.

And I know that the information I'm going to give you are going to be more valuable too.

If you're just starting, you know,

and you had a couple of people on stage or none, and you want to learn something during consultation, the price is going to be much cheaper.

So you can always book consultation with some people who do like me.

And I know some.

And what you can also do is you save

like 200, 300 euros a month, like five months, six months, the time needed.

And then you take a mentorship and you just explain your situation.

Maybe you can maybe get a discount, you know, like you don't know.

You might end up with a guy who is going to be like,

I'm the kind of that kind of guy, you know, even if I sometimes I get just scammed and

used in a way.

But, you know, if I see someone who needs help but can't afford it, I'm always going to help, you know, like I'm going to try at least to, even if it's not me, I'm going to say, like, look, I have, I'm mentoring some people.

They know

what they're doing.

They have the level to teach you a lot of things.

Go with him.

I will talk about I would talk to him about you, and he's going to take you as a mentorship.

And then again, it's going to be much cheaper.

So if the money is the issue, there's still solutions.

And you can also subscribe to things that are not that expensive.

You go and train by GP again.

I think the membership, the monthly membership is something like ten dollars, twelve dollars, might be even less, I don't remember.

But it's something I'll say ten dollars.

You pay ten dollars a month, you can watch videos, really educative videos, you can read

a lot of things too.

You still have I still have my log there, even if I don't go anymore, but you have my log, you have the log of many good coaches who are still there or used to be there,

it's still there to study.

You go on YouTube, you watch the videos of John Widows, of Matt Porter,

of there's many other people like this, but you go and you get that.

Just check their resume, like check their tracking record.

Like, prep coach, check the crossing record.

If there's

tech, I don't know,

five pro cards

and 250 top five, and 541

like top two and that kind of trucking goal.

No, that doesn't work.

Check how many titles.

Like titles, that means something.

Pro cards, pro wins.

That's how I think.

That's how you know if someone is

where you want to be or not.

Very valuable info.

I have one last question I ask every guest at the end of every podcast.

But if you were to disappear from the world tomorrow and you had one message you could send to the entire world today, what would the message be?

I don't know.

I have no idea.

I'm not that good at that kind of

I'm not really like spiritual guy or like

I don't think about those things.

I have no idea, you know.

Like I'm I'm gone, so like do whatever you want, you know.

Like do whatever you want.

Like yeah, I'm have fun

i have no idea like

i agree there's nothing that i i can't think of now yeah well where can everybody find you and for all the uh the athletes because obviously you're requested by the audience and um i'm sure there's a lot of um competitors here that like love your work and everything but if anyone's interested in your coaching where can they find you

always instagram like they can uh they can always text me and drop me a message on instagram Uh if I don't see the first one, just wait like a day or two, drop me another one so it can like go back up.

Uh because I don't want to post, you know, like some some I I use I did that once, I put my phone number to text me on WhatsApp.

You know, for on Instagram.

It was a mess.

It was horrible.

And I did I tried email, same shit.

So no, I'm not doing that anymore.

But Instagram, you can.

I answer literally everyone.

that who who inquire, you have to say yes or no or to ask questions to see if I if I'm interested uh because if you text me if you're interested so then it uh and to see if I am

uh

and and I will ask maybe a couple questions to see if I am interested or not and uh and yeah we can talk about this

yeah he's definitely very responsive so um I appreciate you man I appreciate the podcast this was pretty awesome and I think everyone's going to get a lot of value out of this so

um best of luck with the the Tampa Pro this weekend it's not something I'm used to do, but that was fun.

Yeah, that was awesome, bro.

And honestly, man, I'm excited to see how this year goes and how the Olympia goes and everything for you and your athletes.

I'm sure it's going to be fucking awesome.

Yeah, me too.

I know the rest of us are literally like fucking sitting on the edges of our seats to see how Terrence kills it at this Olympia.

So

it's going to be sick.

I will walk in.

All right.

Later, brother.

Have a good one.

Get a little bit of rest at least at some point tonight.

If possible.

Hopeful night.

See you, bro.

Bro.