Dr. Todd Lee IFBB Pro: How To Dose & Design Your Steroid Stack The Right Way

You got an eight ounce cup.

If you pour 12 ounces in an eight ounce cup, you're gonna get four ounces of spillover.

So if you only have eight pounds of muscle, you're not gonna be able to hold the amount of gear that you would need for 12 pounds of muscle.

So it's gonna go to the skin, the hair, the prostate.

It's gonna get aromatizing the fat cells, turn to estrogen, etc.

The idea that people hear, oh, the pros use two or three grams, pros have 100 to 200 pounds of muscle.

You don't.

So how do I do stack disease?

I've often seen using 20 milligrams a day with 2iuHEH generate 1500 testosterone nanopamps per deciliter of blood with lower DHT and lower estradiol than the bullshit 100 milligrams every three days that everyone else does.

Plus they subjectively say their mood's more stable, they get less pimples, they get less higher loss, they get better blood pressure, people don't want to do it, and then every time someone does it, they're like, it's completely changed my life.

But when would you only do one shot a day of GH when you don't want to succeed?

When you want to do it wrong, you do one shot a day.

Or if you're using baby doses, but if you're an adult and you're actually trying to win this shit you're gonna be using mot c bpc tb500 ghkcu retatutide gh holdenone trend test masteron that's not all of them and some of these are more than once a day am i gonna give myself 20 30 40 shots a day that's absurd so you're a fan of high frequency i'm a fan of fucking shit up just the right amount and then fucking it up again 40 hours later optimizing for frequency the repair process and the growth process are parallel they're not sequenced.

We used to think that you had to be done being sword before growth would occur.

That's not true.

Growth and repair are parallel.

I will fight against evil if I have the chance.

And podcasts are the only opportunity for me to fight against evil that's medical healthcare systems.

BioFan hasn't come out in real life, baby.

Let's go.

Oh, that one's a berserk sword.

Well, nonetheless, Guts is full of rage right now.

Sephiroth, I'm coming for you.

This is the longest, most brutal diet I've ever done.

And I feel nothing compared to what I've been feeling because of it.

And then the energy I get from the Mozie and the SLU, the combination of those three,

three new things this prep that I've never done before.

And out of 17 years of competing, this is by far the easiest part I've ever done and the leanest I've ever been.

Do you happen to utilize any Ancillarius to make sure that you're maintaining a decently sufficient level of power fit and conformation?

Before starting this podcast, I just wanted to say that ideating steroids for a full show is not widely widely accepted because it discounts the real work which is the backbone of this sport.

And unfortunately, spreads that an unsafe chemical solution is all you need for results.

Both of these are an antithetical to society's understanding of the sport.

And while there will always be some that claim that PEDs are all you need, I would like to deliver an honest message of what is required for achieving top performance as well as the dangers associated with this route.

I received this comment from a user named Night Scarens.

But just as a rock climber, the athletes undergoing this path in the sport are willing to put their life on the line for their passion.

Just the danger between the two sports is different.

Luckily, we do have safety nets in the sport, such as organ imaging and regular blood work.

But that doesn't change the high risk one must accept in taking on this competitive lifestyle.

Now we're back to normal.

Yeah.

And we don't have any hard breathing because our cardiovascular systems are a little bit better than normal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's that prep cardio, right?

Yeah.

That's what it is.

I didn't do cardio this morning.

That might be why I was sleepy.

Yeah.

Cardio usually wakes me up.

Well, you finally drank caffeine for the first time.

So, I mean, close enough, right?

Because

I was tired.

I normally am never tired in the morning, but I was tired.

So

I wanted to be chipper.

35 milligrams of caffeine.

How do you feel now?

Do you feel chipper?

Feel alert.

Feel alert.

I'm in extroversion mode.

Normally, if I'm introversion mode, but caffeine makes me an extrovert.

Is this extroversion mode for you?

This is extroversion mode.

Your extroversion mode is a little bit more calm.

No.

Well, yes.

Yeah, because usually if I'm in introversion mode, I'm so focused on getting the job done.

I'm completely disregard anyone's feelings.

And I'm just all triple on.

You are.

Yeah, but

with extroversion mode i'm more considerate and i'm more engaged with the person that i'm talking to with eye contact and i can pick up their facial features and emotions that's cool so i'm able to tailor my communication to the audience or the individual i'm talking to i think toddley is real life ai right now

yeah

which which wouldn't be artificial then

i appreciate you staying the extra day to do this because i'm sure you would have gone out earlier I mean,

well, you were already on your way, so

I'm not, I wasn't about to cancel on you, but I'll still make it in time for

everything and the arrangements and the funerals and stuff.

So, but

I was thinking.

Give Lexi my condolences.

I will.

I will.

I'm sad she wasn't able to meet you today, but

sometime soon for sure.

It's always a coincidence.

Every single time I have a podcast, an in-person podcast here, for some reason, she suddenly something happens and she's not here.

So, and she actually isn't a fan of that because, like, she even got me these.

I'm, I feel, I feel really blessed.

She got me these cups that even send they that say

transparent podcast on it and everything.

And she's super supportive of the pod.

So it's, it's how I know it's the one, you know.

We should have those cups.

Maybe during the break, but we have a tight on time.

So we should have it written here, just like TCN.

No, that'd be dope.

For Trucker Carlson Network.

I was like, why do you advertise on your mic?

You're on the screen.

We know who we're watching.

I'd love to put a great convo that I had with Dr.

Dean with a great combo that I had with you

to basically determine what dosaging gear should really look like for each individual.

So something I discussed with Dr.

Dean was fast versus slow.

metabolizers

drug metabolizers of course and in this i think this conversation where basically

he's basically discussing how

you have fast metabolizers, you have slow metabolizers, and people don't really like to compare dosage on just like a milligram to milligram basis per person.

So it's really easy for people to assume, like, oh, let's start at 300.

Everyone should start at 300.

Oh, everyone should start at 500.

It's not the case, right?

You have TRT people that are prescribed either 100 milligrams or even up to 200 milligrams.

Sometimes they reach the same levels with the same side effects, et cetera.

So

fast metabolizers basically

in and out of your system quicker, which basically means that

normally these people end up feeling the benefits of the compound less, but also tend to feel the side effects of the compound less.

Slow metabolizers is vice versa, is the opposite.

And then the conversation I have with you, which I really loved, because I think it was probably the first time I actually discussed this, was the saturation of androgen receptors.

And you discussed why people have side effects.

And you said three reasons.

One of them was because of sporadic dosing.

Um,

the second one, and sporadic dosing is such a great explanation.

Like,

if you have hormone fluctuations, it's always the cause for some of the most insane side effects.

And you can just see this, not even just in gear, but like you just monitor a woman's menstrual cycle when they're estrogen, the testosterone, progesterone, whatever.

Um, when it's all going downwards, it's not a good time.

So, um,

and uh

then finally

um

you were discussing androgen receptor

count and saturation.

And if someone is taking, say,

less gear to saturate their androgen receptors, it's less likely that they're going to feel an exacerbation of side effects.

However, if they're taking compounds at a dose more than however many androgen receptors they have, which is normally normally correlated to how much muscle mass they have.

Obviously, individualistic per person, then they tend to feel a little bit, they could exacerbate their side effects, right?

Yeah, basically like you get an eight ounce cup.

If you pour 12 ounces in eight ounce cup, you're going to get four ounces of spillover.

So if you only have like eight pounds of muscle, you're not going to be able to hold the amount of gear that you would need for 12 pounds of muscle.

So it's going to go to the skin, the hair, the prostate.

It's going to get aromatized in the fat cells, turn into estrogen, et cetera.

So

the idea that people hear, oh, the pros use two or three grams, the pros have 100 to 200 pounds of muscle.

You don't.

So they have more receptors and those muscle cells because they have more muscle.

You want the steroids to go to the muscle, not to the other organs.

Now, of course, it's not something like 100% and 0%

if you underdose, I mean, you're going to get a percent.

Some of it's going to go to those other things, but you may not notice.

It might not be clinically significant.

Right.

And I think that's another discussion that I really loved with you and Dr.

Dean is in the more complex scenarios when we're really diving deep into what your actual stack is.

That's why kind of like making up the stacks almost matters in a certain sense, because then certain compounds are competing for those receptors in a way, right?

And whenever it gets to that point, it's too complicated for even me to comprehend.

And I know Dr.

Dean was discussing, like, you know, you kind of have to look at the molecular structure of each of these.

And that's like a whole thing to just determine how many molecules are in the milligrams of each compound that you're injecting.

And then how are they going to compete for this?

And it's just fucking difficult to figure out, especially on a stack-by-stack basis.

But

I think that's why it's pretty valuable for us all to look at the anecdotal evidence and the empirical data of

what we have, which essentially these days is unfortunately just pro-bodybuilders, right?

Pro-bodybuilders,

maybe lifestylers.

I don't know.

You guys, you,

you, Steve, a bunch of other people that have experimented on themselves.

So,

yeah.

Thank you for doing what you do, bro.

My pleasure.

So, I think the original question was: how do I do stack design?

Yeah.

All right.

So

I can get more out of 20 milligrams than some HRT clinic can get out of 100 every three days.

That I can see, I've often seen using 20 milligrams a day with 2IUAGH generate 1,500

testosterone nanograms per deciliter in the blood with lower DHT and lower estradiol than the bullshit 100 milligrams every three days that everyone else does.

And that's to me, plus they subjectively say their mood's more stable, they get less pimples, they get less higher loss, they get better blood pressure.

And it's one of those things where people don't want to do it.

And then every time someone does it, they're like, this completely changed my life.

And to me, it's like so stupid.

They're like, I don't want to give myself that many shots.

I'm like, that's fucking retarded.

That you're doing a GH every day.

Then you're going to add three injections with a hypodermic syringe.

That's 10 injections a week.

Why not do the seven injections you do of GH and just load the GH insulin pin with some test?

Are you sure that's okay, though?

Because

I've always, because I've heard of,

I don't know, there's weird things with,

well, I guess if I'm going to be totally honest, maybe mine doesn't apply.

Cause the research that I was looking into was mixing, for example, test and BPC in the same syringe.

Since I had someone asking about that, and I think the concerns were were cross-contamination, especially with an oil versus something that's mixed in backwater.

I mean, obviously, these things aren't going to mix easily, and you're not baking a cake, so you don't want to mix them.

That's there's no point in that case.

So, the concern would be that you're going to draw up the water before you draw up the oil, and the water is going to contaminate the oil because bacteria grows in water faster.

Well, I just do the oil first.

What I don't fully understand, and I'm kind of just regurgitating, to be honest, from reading this, is that I think the concern was

breaking the it's because it because

the the two compounds in concern were testing the BPC peptide the concern was breaking um the peptide to the point where it's not as functional why

it doesn't make any sense to me why would the molecule there's not gonna be any chemical reaction that occurs between BPC and testosterone in the eight seconds that they're in the same syringe before you inject them in your body yeah okay it's not like you're just drawing it up and leaving it there for a week

you know i'm not ever suggesting someone backloads.

You take the syringe, you put it in the test, you draw it up to 10 milligrams, to 10 units.

That's 20 milligrams.

You take it out, you stick it in the GH, you draw it up to 10 units.

Now you got 20 units.

You got 20 milligrams of test, 20 milligrams, two units of GH.

You stick it in your shoulder.

You push the plunger down.

You throw the needle in the sharps.

You can't fuck it up.

And then like, well,

it's like,

okay, let's say you're right let's say you lose 10

who cares because you're gonna you're gonna be able to do your blood work you're gonna see this is what my levels are oh they're not high enough i'm gonna raise the dose until you get the right levels it doesn't matter it's not like the gh and tests are that expensive that you can't afford to lose 10 of them if you want to do four shots a week hypothetical is the 10 though it's i

think that these people are just making shit up i literally think that like when steve and all these people say you can't mix these things in the the same syringe, they're just making it up.

Does Steve say that?

Yeah, he just said it.

I didn't even watch the reel.

I read the title.

I'm like, yeah, I don't give a shit what he says.

That it's like, it's like, it's just all made up.

There's no fucking way that they're going to have a chemical reaction in the eight or nine milliseconds that it's in the same syringe before you inject it in your body.

And if they're peptides and you inject inside the muscle, the bloodstream carries it throughout your whole body in like 20 seconds.

If you do it under the fat in the fat, that's subcutaneous nonsense.

Sure, it might sit there for three weeks.

It might crystallize and cause necrosis.

I have a huge hole in the skin of my lat because I missed the muscle and got under the skin.

That subcutaneous crap only makes sense if you really got a huge body fat percentage.

You should always inject in the muscle.

The idea that, oh, there's more of an immune response, that's fucking retarded too, because why would you have more white blood cells in your muscle than you do in the fat?

The only explanation would be increased blood flow.

Well, if there's increased blood flow, then it carries it out of the muscle faster.

I feel like there's a lot of merit, though, to

just elongating the

period of time that, say, like GH has taken effect.

So if you're taking it before bed, for example, taking sub Q, if you're taking IM and you want to do fasted cardio or whatever, then obviously you may take IM in the morning.

Right.

So, but when would you only do one shot a day at GH when you don't want to succeed?

When you want to do it wrong, you do one shot a day.

Or if you're using baby doses, like four units or less.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But if you're an adult and you're actually trying to win this,

you're gonna be using more than four units, four to six, probably on average, four to twelve, whatever.

Yeah, the big guys would probably be doing some crazy.

It's that matters as what's necessary, what you have to do to get your IGF level to max out.

Yeah, that's what it comes down to.

So I do two to three in the morning, two to three in the afternoon, and then four before bed.

Do I do it seven q before bed?

If it's the only thing in the syringe, but it isn't because I don't want to give myself if I'm doing

Mot C,

BPC, TB500,

GHKCU, Redatututide,

Bolden,

Trend,

Test,

Masteron,

that's not all of them.

And some of these are more than once a day.

Am I going to give myself 20, 30, 40 shots a day?

That's absurd.

No, you're just going to load up one syringe with as much shit as you can fit in it and then let her rip.

You're going to run out of injection shits in one day if you did it their way.

These scientists that have no science degree, that just have a YouTube channel, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about because they don't walk the walk.

So they have no common sense.

They have no idea what they're doing because they don't do it.

It's all like, well, this study said in these rats, we lost 11% efficacy when we mixed these two drugs together in the same syringe.

They didn't do that.

There's no fucking way they did that.

This is just made-up shit.

I'll be honest, I hate being on the other side of this right now because there are some shots being fired.

It's like, but you don't pretend to be an expert.

You know what I mean?

I mean, I uh don't pretend to be an expert, but if I'm gonna be real, like, I, I really

always take everything I hear with a level of speculation,

but I also

trust that most of you guys, if not all of you guys, know more than I do.

So,

I guess I just listen to what you say and then I do my own research and then I like, you know, that's just how I do things.

All right.

So, like, not you, but let's say my name's John and I flip burgers.

All right.

And I'm watching the internet.

And you've got

three bald priests, four bald priests, five bald priests saying one thing, and then you got Dr.

Todd Lee saying something else.

Then the sheep mindset is, well, these five bald priests are all saying the same thing.

And this one dude saying something different, he's probably wrong.

And that's the mindset of someone who's going to be flipping burgers their whole life.

I guess for me to

be specific about this particular topic right now,

I haven't seen the real, so I haven't seen exactly what they say about compounds.

But what I've seen from my own research is there are some things that can be mixed, and then there are some things that probably shouldn't be mixed.

So, one example is like the GLPs.

You should not pull

them with other things into a single syringe.

What?

Right.

GLP specifically, but if there's like BPC or TP500, there's like, why is there any problems?

There shouldn't be any issues.

There's like, I think there's a, there's a lot of things that probably

raise no flags.

If I'm going to be honest with you,

I'd literally have to type it and look up what I was looking at for the reason why GLPs can't be mixed, but apparently those are just the ones that can't.

Okay, but can and can't light switch thinking.

Nothing in nature is light switch.

It's not like

you pull it up with something, it disintegrates and it doesn't work at all versus it works 100%.

What if it degrades 1% per minute that it's in the same syringe?

Then I don't give a shit.

I'll just use more GLP

until I get the desired result.

But I got shit to do.

I'm not going to be fucking drawing up 30 syringes a day for every drug, multiple shots a day.

You know what I'm saying?

So when I'm, we got in this conversation with HRT population.

We're talking about low sophisticated.

We got Joe the burger flipper, right?

Joe the burger flipper, he wants to do two shots a week because it's easy, not because it's effective.

So

the idea that doing one shot every day is less effective because you're mixing the stuff in the syringe is

a fallacy when you compare it to doing two shots a week and just not using any other drugs.

Because if you're going to not mix things in the syringe, he would just wouldn't use a GH at all or he just wouldn't do daily injections at all.

So to get someone who doesn't want to do daily injections to do daily injections is a big deal because most people are pussies and they don't want to stab themselves so if you get them to do it once a day

if you get it once a day that's a big win for you as a clinician none of these head scientists have ever actually treated patients they don't know how hard it is to get these stubborn assholes to do what you tell them to do So if you can get them to do one shot a day, that's a fucking win.

You're going to try to get them to do two shots a day, three shots a day, four shots a day, eight shots a day, because it's 1% less effective.

Eight shots a day is 1% more effective than one shot a day.

No way.

They're not going to do that.

No one would do that.

Even if it was 20%, they're like, doc, I'd rather pay an extra 200 bucks a month, buy more drugs, and do one shot and have them be slightly less effective.

And we'll just turn up the drugs.

Not everyone's broke.

Some people have the money.

They just don't want to do painful shit.

Now, if someone's like, I literally have $200 a month to pay for food, it's like, okay, well, we're going to use the dead minimum amount of shit to get the job done that you need.

And in that case, we're going to treat everything like it's liquid gold.

But if someone's making a million dollars a month, they don't give a fuck if they're using two units of retitrutide, two milligrams of retitutide twice a week, or three milligrams of retitutide twice a week.

They could afford 100 milligrams of reditutide three times a week.

So if they want, but if they just want to do one shot a day, max, load that fucker up with as much shit as you can fit in it.

And so this is the, they say, I don't have nuance.

It's like the nuance is over the heads of the real.

You know, nobody watches YouTube, no one watches a 50-minute YouTube video usually, unless it's a podcast.

So they're not going to watch a 50-minute instructional video on how to use redatututide.

They will watch a 90-second reel on redatututide.

So I've got 90 seconds to say everything they need to know about redatutide.

So one of those things is not going to be there is an 8.2% degradation at a rate of one

per every 30 minutes that it's mixed in solution with this list of drugs versus this list of drugs.

No one's going to remember any of that.

If I do a video that says Masterant's awesome, Primo's stupid, don't use Primo.

In the comments, the questions are: what do you think about Primo?

That's the level of intelligence of about 30% of the audience.

I mean,

I wouldn't call it intelligence.

I just call it people's attention spans these days.

But most people don't want to take the time.

It's a 90-second reel.

You know, I mean, if they can't focus for 90 seconds to me, that's retarded.

I know, but it's just like you have to consider what's going on in people's lives, and some people just don't care.

You know what I mean?

And it's annoying.

It does get, it gets irritating, but it's just how it is.

So I guess it depends on how we determine intelligence.

I look at intelligence as the output, not a a contributing factor in the input.

So someone's latent IQ plus their attention span, plus their discipline, plus their ability to focus, plus their working memory, plus their long-term memory.

And then all of those factors, if we got 0.8 times 0.7 times 0.5 times 0.3, we're looking at like 20%.

So to me, that person's retarded because they're operating at 20%.

Okay.

Yeah, I know it's brutal it's so brutal this is tot on caffeine this is extroverted todd oh this is the polite one this is the polite one this is the polite one

um

i'm not even sure how we got to the to because you were talking about um to be honest the the whole idea of doing

i think it was daily injections And that my whole point is the people don't want to do daily injections because they don't want to do 10 shots a week.

They don't want to do the three hypodermic needles

and the seven insulin needles.

I'm like, just do the seven insulin needles and load the insulin needle up with the GH and the test.

What are your thoughts on resulting scar tissue from doing small daily injections with an insulin pin versus doing big injections, say, twice a week with obviously a bigger pen?

Well, it's, of course, going to be more scar tissue with a harpoon three times a week than a little baby insulin needle seven times a week.

Like you can say that with a high level of confidence.

Yeah, like this delt, I don't know if you can see the striations in it right now, but I can see the striations.

Yeah, so they say, oh, if you inject your delta you don't get striations, blah, blah, blah.

I probably done this delt 10,000 times.

If I do five shots a day in this delt

for 365 days a year for four years, what's that come out to be?

1,400 times 5.

So that's going to be 7,000.

I've done 7,000 injections probably in this delt with insulin needles looks strident to me

so if it looks good on stage who gives a fuck if there's scar tissue or not the scar tissue goes a hole half an inch deep the muscles two or three inches deep doesn't get in the way contraction now if i instead shot a three milliliter bolus of oil in the middle you've got this ball that the muscle fibers have to wrap around

it's not going to contract right

okay

Gotcha.

Makes me feel better about my daily injections.

Oh, fuck you, yeah.

But I mean, if I uh

if I'm just gonna say something to defend daily injections, it is very easy to just do with a small insulin pin.

So

yeah.

And even if you are like on prep, normally I feel like the liquid's like a milliliter a day,

which imagine putting that into like two injections that just doesn't sound very appetizing.

Well, okay, let's say you're in prep or you're an open pro and you're doing three grams

a week.

That means you're doing about 400 milliliters, 400 milligrams a day.

You're going to have to use two insulin syringes.

It might be, in that case, better to use a hypodermic with a 27 gauge needle and put one and a half or two in one spot, like the glutes.

But it really isn't because the surface area to volume ratio of the bolus is so poor.

You're better off with two one milliliter boluses than one two milliliter bolus because you're going to absorb it probably twice as fast or three times as fast.

Because the surface area to volume ratio of a one milliliter droplet is bigger, is much better surface area to volume ratio than a two milliliter droplet.

Gotcha.

For example, they did three milliliters in the glute and it was 78% absorption area into the the curve.

They did

one milliliter in the glute, it was 78%.

They did five milliliters,

one three milliliters in the glute, it was 56%.

Gotcha.

So you lose, now, is that real?

I don't know, because where the fuck did it go?

It just disintegrated?

That doesn't make any sense.

But I think it was within a given window of time.

So you absorb much

faster from the

three one milliliter boluses than you would from one three milliliter bolus.

In which case, if you're doing multiple shots, then the and the biggest bolus you're ever going to do is a milliliter.

Again, we return to the 27 gauge insulin syringe.

And if you're in prep and you can't reach the muscle through your fat, you shouldn't be on prep.

Oh, that'd be insane.

You should be starting prep at like 12% body fat.

tops

like i would say

i don't know if i agree with that i i do Like, 20%, if you're like 12% body fat, you have to get down to 9% body fat.

You have to lose,

I mean, you get 3% body fat.

If you're 12%, you have to get down to 3%.

You've got 9% to lose.

You're 200 pounds, you're going to have 18 pounds to lose.

You should not be trying to lose more than 18 pounds of fat and prep

because you're going to lose some water with that too.

So 18 pounds of fat, you're going to lose

30 pounds.

If you're going to try to lose more than 30 pounds to get on stage, stage, you're too fat to start prop.

I mean, obviously this differs with height and just how big you are in general,

or varies a lot.

But

I agree with it.

I agree it's not optimal to do something like, for example, Aarry Wheels, who had to drop from say like 290 pounds to I think it was maybe 240 or less for his first classic show he was doing in NPC and I think this was last year a year and a half ago or something but um the whole whole 12% thing, though, I think

from my knowledge, it varies per person, but it's normally optimal for someone to stop their bulk around 15, 20%, maybe preferably 15%.

I'm agreeing with that.

Okay.

What I'm saying, prep is different from pre-prep.

Like the whole prep cycle protocol.

So I would say you get up to 15%,

your off-season's over.

Then you do a health maintenance washout phase, maybe.

And then you could do a mini cut and start ramping your dose back up.

Okay.

You maybe lose eight to 12 weeks of a mini cut, get yourself from 15 down to 10%.

Then you do maybe three to four weeks of a diet break where you're eating maintenance and you give your body a rest.

And then now that your drugs are high and you're at 10%,

now we start real prep

where your calories are only coming down 500, but you're using cardio and diet drugs to help you be efficient so that in theory, because you're starting prep at 10%

and you're doing 20 weeks, it's so mild, and you're using all the diet drugs, like whether it's Clenn, Trend, SLU, whatever.

I'm not saying you do 20 weeks of Trend.

I'm just saying there's so many diet drugs you can, every couple of weeks, you introduce a baby dose of a new drug,

like playing a card.

Like, oh, here's an ace.

Like, oh, I won that hand.

And then when you, when you save them.

So the point is, is that now we don't use drugs drugs in a money cut.

You don't use drugs in a maintenance phase.

Not really.

You use the mini cut to ramp up on your normal anabolics.

Then you have a diet break where you leave the anabolics in, you get your calories to neutrality, you maintain at 10%.

And then after about three, four weeks at 10%,

now we start prep.

And we are like, we're going to start adding in cardio until we can't add any more cardio.

We're going to pull away carbs and fat until you're too hungry.

Then you're going to add retatutide to control the hunger.

And then you're going to add in stuff like Clenn, SLU, Wrath, whatever to help you get into prep so that you never really feel like you're on prep because you started so lean and it's such an easy prep.

Okay.

That makes, I can, uh, I can get with that mindset.

It's, uh, I think it was the

way you use the verbiage sometimes that gets me, but I know where you're coming from.

Um, and uh, my coaches too have always, all the coaches I've worked with have always had the same thing where that beginning part, like i like to do a long prep but obviously in that beginning stages those first several weeks the compound use is basically the same compounds as used during the bulk it's basically the same base uh and um it's what i'm doing right now too so i'm 11 weeks out but still no diet drugs no orals no

no things that aren't uh out of the ordinary except for i guess the normal base that i have except for the fact that

My coach's choice for this prep, he was switched the primo with DHB, essentially.

What did your GGT come back?

How much DHB and what was your GGT like?

I haven't gotten, it's only been

a little over a month or something.

So, so I haven't gotten the blood work yet on cycle, but um,

DHB is 300.

So, you're using 45 a day.

Is that the math, right?

45 a day by 315.

Huh?

45 a day would be 315.

40 a day would be 280.

Okay.

Yeah, Something like that.

I just divided it by seven and then

backloading?

No, no, I just divided my dosage by seven and then equated to how many milliliters I'm pulling with a density.

In that case, you're using 43 a day.

Okay.

Bros fast at math, man.

I need to go back to school.

I failed my engineering.

No, I didn't fail it, but basically now if I went back to engineering again, I'd basically be...

I'd be considered a failure for sure.

I can't rough, man.

Math is just...

I don't know.

math's like breathing.

You just let the answer come.

I think people overthink it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I can tell you the muscle has not been worked for like a good like 10 years or something.

So.

Oh, okay.

I've been using a little bit different muscles this time.

Regarding the dosing, what would be the best for people to aim for?

Because I think I have a wide range of people in my audience.

And I think it's

kind of just cool to discuss everything from a view standpoint.

And

I think it would be cool and valuable for us to list all the reasons why being why dosing too high isn't good and why dosing too low isn't optimal.

So so I talked about you can usually get up to a 1500 test with as little as 20 milligrams of test a day.

That's where I mean, if you can get up there, that's good enough for me.

And then I try to set 1500 like nanograms per disliter of total test.

How can people do Because most people don't reach that level with 100.

Almost everyone I treat does.

How?

Because they're doing the daily injections with the GH.

So the GH upregulates the androgen receptor, and the androgens upregulate the GH receptor.

Okay.

And then the estrogens, usually I keep it high enough to get a lot of IGF-1 conversion.

So I want to have them at least at 1500 and NG per DL test.

And I want them at least 300 IGF-1.

On average, what estrogen and GH do you normally have them at?

Probably 40 to 50 estrogen and probably like two IUA GH.

Okay.

As little as that much, 20 milligrams a day a test and two IUA GH will get them to 1500.

With 71 DHT, 70 DHT, 1500 test, 40 estradiol, 300 IGF-1.

To me, that's you've graduated first grade and you're now ready for anabolics.

There's no reason to use more of that shit if you're there.

Do you find any of them have any issues with,

I guess, their estrogen that high at 40?

No.

Because it's divide 1500 by 40.

It's almost a 40 to 1 ratio.

It's like 37.5 to 1 or something like that.

What about individuals that just tend to be more prone to gynecomastia?

If they're that overweight, they shouldn't be using steroids.

They should be on a fat loss diet.

So I would basically, in that case

run them lower on test run them high replace it with mastron

like what do you mean replace it with mastron so if i would run 10 milligrams of test a day and 10 milligrams of mastron a day then they would get half the estrogen same anabolic load okay yeah

Now, if somebody wanted, now, if we're talking about like, you want to get some muscle and you're not growing, which is never the case.

Everybody who does the training I give them and the diet I give them, and even on that little acetosis, a test, and GH, they will grow up until their genetic limit.

Once they hit their genetic limit, now 10 milligrams of DHB a day is usually enough to push them beyond that for a while, six months to a year.

Then 20 milligrams of DHB a day.

By that point, if their liver is handling it, they could go up to 30.

But if their liver is not handling it, then that's when we institute Mastron because DHB is three times more anabolic anabolic than masturon or test mastron and test are about equal dhb is a whole league of its own yeah trends above dhb but trend comes with a myriad of side effects dhb's only side effects is just liver liver yeah whereas mastron and anivar um their side effects tend to be cholesterol gotcha cool um

Yeah, bro started me at like the highest of the normal standard dose, like off the bat, which was fun.

You were with Petor?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I hope this is okay that I'm talking about this.

Man,

he's in Italy.

Yeah.

I fucking love him, bro.

He's such a good coach.

But

especially when it comes to

just the client, client-coach relationship, you know what I mean?

But it takes six weeks to hit steady set concentration with DHB anyway.

So even takes how many weeks?

Six.

DHB is slower.

So, you know, you go get your GGT

done and maybe ferritin and some look, watch my podcast with Dean where he talks about the other ways of determining liver damage with ferritin and whatnot.

It's pretty technical.

But I just usually, up until that conversation with Dean, I just checked the GGT.

Okay.

And then if your GGT is high, you can stay in the DHP if you blast glutathione.

Yeah.

Now, he would say that's a band-aid, but you're not going to be on DHP for that much longer anyway.

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Cool.

All right.

I actually really want to listen to that conversation.

That sounds really dope.

Okay.

So as far as like

just something that I think I want to say.

So I think from the conversations that you and Dean have had with me, I think it's safe to tell people this is why it's kind of very difficult for you to assume that somebody

is

maybe lying about their dose or someone should be running it higher or someone should be running it lower.

You kind of just don't know how they respond, right?

This is something you have to figure out for yourself.

It's like playing a game with darts and then seeing the result and then going back to the drawboard over again.

And I'd say just in my opinion,

why running doses just too low isn't optimal.

I mean, it's good to start off if you're just beginning, right?

And then you titrate it up slowly.

So then that way you can see where you're landing.

But

if you've been running it low for so long, obviously you could be maximizing your potential by running a higher amount of dose.

Maybe.

Because let's say you start pushing it out of the green and into the yellow,

then your body's going to start fighting back.

You're going to have long-term inflammation and eventually you'll have to come off.

But if you keep it in the green, you can stay there forever.

So it's the tortoise, not the hare.

The whole idea of cycling is drug addict thinking that you're going to do, I'm going to blast for 12 weeks, then I'm going to let my organs rest for four weeks.

I'm going to blast for 12 weeks and let my organs rest for four weeks.

Why not just try to maintain

your organ healthy entire time?

Run it half as much as you would in a blast and stay there for years.

As long as the blood works fine, you're fine.

Yeah.

People think, well, that's just not healthy.

I'm like, why the fuck isn't it?

Well, I don't know.

I saw it on the internet.

It's like, well, by who, a bald priest?

Yeah.

And it's like, I don't give a fuck what they say.

Right.

Doing it blindly is what normally tends to be unhealthy.

It's normally like, I'm not trying to put anyone in blast, but you and I know specific people that have gone through this and probably passed away.

People who purposely just did not want to do their scans, didn't want to do their blood work.

They just avoided it.

And if you asked them personally, they would still just avoid it.

But also those same people, they ain't coming to me and having me read their blood work.

They're going to some fat fuck primary care doctor that takes insurance.

And then that guy's like, yeah, you're going to die.

You got to quit steroids.

So then they just don't go.

Yeah.

So like, and the way you know a doctor sucks is he takes insurance.

Because let me ask you this.

What?

Let's say you wanted to get someone to build you a deck.

And one guy's like, I'll work for 30% of what I charge.

Would that person be the one you want to hire with the one with self-esteem so low that he only takes 30 cents on the dollar?

What about 8 cents on the dollar?

That's what insurance pays.

Insurance pays 30 to 8 cents on the dollar.

That's why the bills are so high.

They're billing people 300 bucks because they're only going to get 100 to 80, maybe even 24 bucks.

They suck at their jobs because by working for an insurance company, the insurance company feeds you patients.

They don't have the ability to actually be worth word of mouth.

They don't have the ability to actually get on a podcast and talk about what they're doing and actually pull in their own business.

They're just some slub who basically sits by a trough and waits for slop to get poured in their trough and they gobble it up.

So that's how the normal healthcare system is set up.

And then the way that people get insurance is because the medication and the doctor bills are so high, you can't survive without the insurance.

So everyone buys it out of fear of something going to happen.

And then the insurance company just doesn't even pay.

And you just get stuck with these bills that are three times what they would have been.

If people just hired a good doctor and negotiated a price and paid the doctor and then he does his job, they'd be healthy.

They'd pay less money than they would to the insurance companies.

The whole system's corrupt.

And the doctors suck ass that work in it.

I would say

my little devil's advocate position to that is I would say that it's very likely that that probably is true for most.

And I definitely wouldn't be surprised if it was.

But there are occurrences where you can find a doctor and it's not easy because no one, you know, but I, for example, was able to find a good doctor that, bro, like gets what I'm doing.

He's had dudes that have taken gear, you know, and it's like we and he and I can come to a discussion about these things.

Kind of just like on this podcast, which is cool.

Is he younger than 40?

Yes.

That's probably why.

That's probably why.

So

people have this idea that the older the doctor is, the better they are.

It's like, fuck no.

That the medicine changes, and those fuckers are stuck in the past.

The boomer doctors, they're not worth the weight and shit.

You got to go with someone who's brand new and open-minded enough who can actually use Chat GPT and look shit up.

The ones who just, well, this is what I've always done.

So, this is what I'm going to do.

You don't want to deal with that fucking Mr.

Magoo piece of shit.

They suck.

They don't know a goddamn thing about anabolics.

It's the most obscure black magic shit in the universe to them.

It might as as well be demonology.

So it's no way.

The only way you have a chance with a young doctor who's working at a hospital is if he lifts himself and he's using gear.

That would be the only chance.

Or, you know, they otherwise they're going to be like, what's nandrolone?

Is that like testosterone?

It's like, I'm done.

Do what I say or I'm leaving.

It's like, yeah.

So

the whole thing about they don't want to go get their blood work done because the fuckers don't know how to order the blood work.

They order what the insurance companies pay for and they pay for a CBC, a CMP, maybe a lipid panel.

They don't order a GGT for the liver.

They don't order a cystatin C for the kidney.

The nephrologists don't even know what the fuck a cystatin C is.

They don't order an APO B for cholesterol.

So they're not actually looking at the lethal components.

They just order the shit that the insurance company covers.

And then they tell you, oh, this is high.

Stop using steroids.

Because they don't give a fuck about you you're just one out of a hundred people they got to see that day so the faster they get it's called treat them and street them it's you get them in the door you get them happy you give them antibiotics or something so they think that they got something for their copay and then you send them packing that's why all these kids are put on antibiotics when they've got a viral infection antibiotics don't treat viral infections but these doctors don't give a fuck about the patient.

So they give them something that's going to wipe out their intestinal flora and give them autoimmune disorders because they have nothing to protect against infections.

And they've been doing it for 100 years and they're going to keep doing it.

They're not going to stop with antibiotics for viral infections.

I don't want to directly blame the doctors because I know there's a lot of good doctors out there.

And I know why it may, while it may be a little more rare, the older the generation of the doctor for them to be open-minded with some of these things.

But I feel like it's a little bit more of just the medical system in general.

and what's being taught.

But a system's made up of people.

So if you're part of an evil, corrupt organization that makes you evil and corrupt.

So let me put it this way: you got a bunch of Nazis, and they got to go take some people out to a field and shoot them.

Yeah, right.

It's like, well,

I'm just doing what the other Nazis are doing.

I'm like, you're shooting innocent people in the back of the head.

And it's like, yeah, but it's my job.

I'm just following orders.

That's how doctors are.

They just do whatever the American Medical Association tells them to do.

And then their hands are clean of the blood, even though the third leading cause of death in America are doctors.

It's heart disease, cancer, iatrogenic causes.

Iatrogenic is doctor talk for whoops, we fucked up.

So the third leading cause of death is doctors misdiagnosing and over-prescribing lethal medications.

So to me, the whole system's corrupt, but yes, it's the system, not the doctor, but they're part of the organization.

It's like, I didn't shoot anybody in Hitler's youth, but I made the bullets.

We You made the bullets that were going to be used.

So it's like the movie Lord of War with Nicholas Cage.

He didn't kill anybody.

He just supplied both sides of the conflict with ammunition.

But every single person killed with a bullet he's sold is still dead, nonetheless.

So every single person who's part of that organization is responsible for the blood on his hands.

The only way to fight against it is to actually go out there, learn medicine, and treat people like they're people and try to keep them healthy.

Not manage disease.

In medical school, we're taught you should never try to heal anybody.

You should just manage their disease.

The hospital makes more money the sicker they are, the longer.

That in medical ethics, we were taught, number one, don't get sued.

Number two, don't get sued.

Number three, don't go sued.

Oh, my God.

And then number four, if it's convenient, help somebody.

I'm not exaggerating.

It's unfortunate because I feel this when I talk to some doctors.

Obviously, there's some guys like you.

There's some guys like Dean, you guys are just open about everything.

But I've definitely talked to doctors that are just like,

um,

they almost can't even say

anything

just from fear of getting sued or just from fear of losing their license.

So, um, we that's difficult.

So, there is surgery, um,

uh, super spinatus repair, you know, it's a rotator cuff, super spinatus.

And one

doctor who is the head of sports medicine at one of the largest hospitals, I'm shadowing with her and I'm working on these cases with her, right?

And she cuts the bicep tendon on every case and doesn't reattach it.

She's like, they don't need the bicep for anything.

They can supinate their arm with their supinator.

They can flex her arm with her brachialis.

And I was like, but why not reattach it?

She's like, because I could do five cases a day if I don't reattach it, but only four cases a day if I do reattach it.

So it's five grand a day for me.

This is real life.

People think that I'm hyperbolic.

I'm not fucking hyperbolic.

I'm not a rebel.

I'm not interested in tearing down organizations just to tear them down.

I will fight against evil if I have the chance.

And podcasts are the only opportunity for me to fight against the evil.

That's the American healthcare system.

That's a final fantasy coming out in real life, baby.

Let's go.

Oh, that was the berserk sword.

Oh, you're right.

Fuck.

Well, nonetheless, Guts is full of rage right now.

Um,

oh, nice.

There we go.

Yes.

It's the baby.

Sephiroth.

I'm coming for you.

I unfortunately broke the lights off at a race.

Limit break.

Get a freet in here.

We got Pahamut in there.

Um,

as far as uh, I like the, um, I really like the analogy that you gave about staying in the green.

And I think I didn't really describe properly exactly what I was thinking when I was saying why staying too low isn't optimal.

If your progress is stalling and you're doing everything right,

that's your sign.

Right.

So now I'll go through that algorithm.

Okay.

It's a big algorithm and it's almost never right.

Are you sleeping eight hours a day?

One.

If not, sleep eight hours a day.

If you can't, give up.

Grow the fuck up.

Make it happen.

10 hours.

And then number two,

Are you lifting right?

Are you super sore?

Are you never sore?

If you're slightly sore after body part X for 12 to 24 hours, but you're fully recovered in 48 hours, you can hit it a second time.

So you can hit every body part three times a week, you're doing good.

If so you're a fan of high frequency, I'm a fan of fucking shit up just the right amount and then fucking it up again 48 hours later.

Okay.

That's what I'm a fan of.

All right.

All right.

Yeah, because it's optimizing for frequency.

And then yeah, you use enough volume to get the job done.

And you, so if eight sets is perfect, nine sets is slightly sore.

So if you're not nine sets, you don't know if you're slightly sore.

You don't know if you overdid it.

So maybe eight was perfect.

But if you did eight and you're not sore at all, then fuck, maybe 10 would be perfect.

Maybe Maybe you would never know.

So going a little bit overboard, since according to Ella, Scientific Snitch, the repair process and the growth process are parallel.

They're not sequenced.

We used to think that you had to be done being sore before growth would occur.

That's not true.

Growth and repair are parallel.

But

any repair at all is bad.

So you want to have minimal inflammation.

But if you have no inflammation, you don't know that you even did enough.

So I like to be slightly sore.

So if eight's perfect, then I want to be nine sets.

So X plus one

sets where X is the perfect amount of sets.

And I will always recover from X plus one in 48 hours and be adapted as well.

So that would be optimal.

Okay, so if you're doing the sleep, you're doing training.

Third would be food.

Are you at least maintaining your body weight?

If you're at least maintaining your body weight, you're eating enough to grow.

People are like, oh, you got to be in a surplus.

It's like,

we can argue about that to where we're blue in the face, but muscle grows so fucking slow.

If you were trying to gain a pound a week, then it's almost all fat.

There's no way you're gaining four pounds of muscle a month.

There's no way you're gaining two pounds of muscle a month unless you're like 12.

Yeah, if you're an adult man, you've been lifting for 10 or 20 years, you're looking at gaining maybe two or three pounds of of muscle a year.

So you forget about it.

It's like you would gain one pound a month.

That's plenty.

That would be exactly 100 calorie surplus.

So if 3,700 calories is perfect, you eat 3,800 calories because you want to gain a little bit of fat for the security of knowing you're doing everything you can.

You don't eating 4,000, 4,500 is not going to help.

You've already maximized your return.

Helms did some studies on this.

Well, that wasn't on gear and steroids.

For most of us, we have to use gear and steroids just to break even.

So it's like that it's not the be all end all.

Then we get to the last step:

okay, our volume and frequency and intensity are fine.

Our sleep is fine.

Our calories are at least maintenance.

Now, if we're still not getting stronger, we're not adapting and we're not stale,

then we could add in 10 milligrams to 20 milligrams of gear a day.

So maybe 10 milligrams of Boldanone a day or 20 milligrams of Mastron a day.

That's it.

You don't have to use more than that.

That little bump is a big change.

That would be like adding in one set per body part per week.

And that way you can keep titrating up for months,

maybe years, and your body will never notice.

Your body's never going to be like, oh, today we're going to have bad cholesterol.

No, it's like if we're eating perfect and you're sleeping and you're training right and your cholesterol, your Apo B is a 70, going up 10 milligrams or 20 milligrams a year every month or every three months, that is not going to make your ApoB jump up to 134.

But there's people I know who like, I'm going to add in a new drug and they add in 400 a week or 300 a week out of the blue.

It's like, that's going to fuck you up unless you're like young.

And that a lot of these guys, they learn how to do it when they were young.

So they keep doing what worked when they were young.

And it's like, that's not going to keep working, man.

You got to be more conservative.

It's just like rep ranges.

A lot of guys are like, I can't lift anymore because my knees and my lower back and my elbows hurt.

I'm like, well, you started doing power building when you were 14 with six reps and you're 42 and you're still doing power building with six reps.

That's why your shit's all fucked up.

You could, you should, your minimum rep should go up by like two

every five to ten years So by the time you're in your 40s not you should never be doing single-digit sets Every set should be 12 or something or higher reps

Because people don't look this the weight you could do for six reps when you're 18

You can do for 15 to 20 when you're 40

It's not like because you're stronger.

You're more durable

People are like, oh, you get more brittle as you get older.

It's like no, you stay the same level of brittleness.

You're just way stronger.

You're using more weight

at the same amount or more reps

for five, six times the volume per week.

I was with you until you said you don't get more brittle as you get older, though.

Okay, you might get more brittle as you get older to an extent, but not the amount that people think.

Okay.

Like between 20 and 40, there's probably not not that much brittleness, but it is a fuck ton of strength increase.

Okay.

So let's say when I was 30, I could do a one rep max squat of 315.

And then by the time I'm 42, I'm doing 500 for eight.

That's a huge difference.

That's a huge difference.

I think everyone, by the way, I'm sure you guys already know, but we're definitely making the assumption that you're a bodybuilder that's continuing to gain.

because I think there's a lot of people that just don't, you know.

Well, everyone thinks that once you turn 40, you can't grow anymore.

And I, I mean, and it's because Fuad says so on his podcast.

Are you sure he says?

He said that your quads don't grow anymore after 40.

And then Brandon Curry is like, hold my troponent.

How long ago was this?

Three, four years ago.

Okay.

But maybe, I think I'm sure he might have changed his mind.

Yeah, I think so.

But here's the thing about the internet.

But here's the thing about the internet.

Motherfuckers don't care about when you said it

they watch i did three years ago and you're like you contradict yourself you say this and this video and this and it's like that's a four-year-old video

to be honest and then they're like oh

yeah and they're like they're like i guess that's why you think people are stupid i'm like yeah

it's like you look at the year that the video came out it's like i don't really pay that close of attention it's like So it isn't worth your time to pay attention to it, but it's worth my time to answer your question about something you didn't pay attention to.

Like, that doesn't make sense to me.

If you're going to reach out to someone and contradict them or accuse them of being infallible, at least get your facts straight.

Like,

that's something I just don't do.

I don't reach out to people.

I don't reach out to Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson or even someone who's small like.

Leonardo Joni and try to fact check them.

If I don't agree with them, I'm just like, you know what?

They got better shit to do than talk to me.

So, since we were talking about scans, blood work just recently,

I guess, do you utilize or do you ever recommend, for example, to your clients or to others what specifically to utilize in terms of scans?

I've got my own blood work.

You have your own blood work panel.

Yeah, an mmlabs.com.

It's called Dr.

Lee's Blood Work.

Okay.

And there's a standard panel, there's a dialing it in panel, and there's a contest prep panel.

So the dialing it in is simple.

It's like once we've got you on some stuff, every month that you want to fine-tune your cycle, we run test, DHT, estradiol, IGF-1.

And I do that until I can fine-tune the exact amount of GH and tests that they should be taking.

Once I maximize that, that's when anabolics get introduced.

It usually takes a couple months to dial someone in just right.

The mid-prep cycle, they're supposed to do that every week, and it gets their estradiol estradiol and their free t3 tested so as soon as the carb cycling starts to fail and i see what their t3 starts going below three that's when t3 would be introduced if they're and during prep we want to slowly titrate down on estradiol i probably would introduce eq in 15 milligrams a day in increments For example, I had a 55

after I did my DHB experiment to prove that DHB was not an AI and it wasn't

at 10 milligrams steady state, which act as like a very, very, very, very

benign, but like mild AI though.

What I found was that 10 milligrams every day

at steady state, it was 55 estradiol.

At 30 milligrams, this is ultrasensitive.

At 30 milligrams steady state, it was a 55 estradiol.

So it had absolutely no effect on my estradiol.

Added in 30 milligrams of EQ.

Within a couple of days, it knocked it down to 14.

So EQ is my favorite AI.

And a quarter of the EQ gets converted to DHB anyway,

making EQ probably one of the best drugs on prep.

If you're bald and you, because you already lost all your hair, then I could see someone running like a ton of tests and running some EQ to to control the estrogen of the test because you don't care if the DHT goes up because you've already lost your hair.

Then you get the benefits of the DHB from the EQ.

But it never would someone ever use Primo because there's always EQ.

EQ is always better than Primo in any situation.

I guess some people are like, well, what about red blood cells?

It's like EQ.

Primo will raise that too.

You know, so

you feel like that's not, do you, do you not feel like that's a little bit of a subjective thing to say, though?

I mean, yeah, there could be an individual somewhere,

like one out of a million people, where they have dramatic red blood cell changes on EQ and they do not have dramatic red blood cell changes on Primo, but they could be, they could be that person that gets a higher HDL in Anavar, but ANIVAR pretty much murders HDL in everyone.

So it's like, I'm not going to ever entertain outliers when I discuss a subject.

That makes no sense.

There's two-headed snakes.

That doesn't mean snakes have two heads.

Or maybe someone who wants to be more or needs to be more cautious with their kidneys.

I know, but I'm not convinced that there's really that much damage from EQ to kidneys.

I've used plenty of EQ.

My cystatincy never went up.

That.

Okay.

Okay.

I guess I'd be interested to hear if anyone in the audience has issues, like significant issues with.

uh their kidneys on eq but right but how do they determine this usually when you ask people this like yeah i used eq my kidneys suck.

It's like, okay, like, what is the data that you have to prove this?

I don't know.

I just, my head had a high creatinine.

It's like, this does not mean anything.

That's just muscle.

So, like, that's why I don't have any value at all for anecdotal evidence.

It's different if it's this prospective case study where you take someone's blood work,

then you put them on a drug, then a month later you get blood work done.

and you see changes on the blood work and then you remove the drug and a month later the changes went back to the way they were before right and there was no other changes that's valid but in the comment section nobody ever has any valid information they have no data it's some subjective thing like i added this in and i felt this way like for instance i had some guy tell me like i added gh in and my ankles got really swollen i got hypo

I'm like, okay, there's no way the GH is going to make you go hypo.

Oh, well, I did.

And so he pulled the GH.

Then a month later, I'm like, why are you not on GH?

He's like, because I took the GH and I got really hypo the next morning, but I also took retatutide the night before.

So he missed the fucking point.

Yeah.

He took two drugs and just arbitrarily decided one of those two drugs was the culprit of the symptom, the one that made absolutely no sense.

the one that makes more blood sugar go up in some people.

And he completely overlooked the one that was directly affecting how the pancreas works.

Yeah.

And so you couldn't have been a worse historian.

You couldn't possibly have misinterpreted your own data worse.

And so therefore, I can't trust anything that person ever says to me again.

And that's not below average intelligence.

He's above average intelligence.

You think so?

Yeah, I know him.

He's been with me for three years.

Guy's smart as shit.

Just as like

in Dungeon Dragons terms, he has like probably a 14 to 15 intelligence and maybe like a six or a a seven wisdom.

Just no common sense at all.

Yeah.

So it's, that's why I don't listen to a single fucking thing any of these anecdotes are because I know that the people that are giving me the data, they don't have what it takes to even record data most of the time.

Oh, man.

Yeah, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest now.

I just tell the truth.

It's like, there's nicer people than me.

You and I also just speak a little bit differently because I like to.

You're charming.

It's hard for me to say everybody does because I know there's always somebody that doesn't, you know?

Right, but I don't play the outlier game.

I shoot right up the middle.

If 95% of people do a certain way, then that's the way people do it.

And there's 5%, you know, 2.5% over here that do it really wrong and 2% over here that do it right.

I'm not going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt because 2.5% of people do it right when 95% of people do it wrong.

I don't want to stick on this conversation too long because I know this isn't what the podcast is about.

But I think the thing that always irks me about this type of, I think, communication, obviously communication is important so people can understand where you're coming from and what you're trying to say is that most people don't, most people

incorrectly interpret, right?

And

the problem is

people will say everybody for the 95%, but will also say everybody for like the 60%.

And that's the problem is you don't know what they're talking about.

And that's where it gets into a thing.

That's where it's like, people start saying shit like all bodybuilders are liars.

So is Dr.

Todley a liar?

Am I a liar?

I don't, I just, I don't, I, I don't, I don't stand with the whole everybody is, you know.

So I don't know if I said every single piece of anecdotal evidence is bullshit.

I think what I'm saying is I can't trust anecdotal evidence because most people are not correctly interpreting their data.

So because it's a corramp sample, I throw the whole sample out.

It's better thing is apples.

If at least 20% of the apples are rotten, I'm throwing them all out.

I'm not selling any of them.

Gotcha.

That I have zero confidence in that sample because there's a huge percentage, 20%,

that are false positives.

So I disregard all of it.

Okay.

Gotcha.

And where you're, so like, I don't care if it's 60%.

I don't care if it's 40%.

I don't care if it's 30%.

it all has to be gone so here's an example

you got a a military force right

and you know that the 15th division has some traitors in it

you don't know if it's 10 it's 20 it's 40 of them are traitors but you know that there's elite coming from the 15th division

So I'm going to use them as a decoy.

Get them all.

I'm going to sacrifice all of them while I use the main force to show up and hit from the back.

I kill two birds with one stone.

Somebody had to be decoys.

And I might as well use the ones that have traitors.

Maybe 90% of those men were loyal.

Maybe 10% of them were loyal.

But I can't trust that division.

So I need to eliminate it from my army.

So when people come to me and they say, oh, man, Mastron makes my joints hurt.

Then I always make jokes.

It's like, oh, Mastrin makes a lot of people's pussies dry because they don't drink enough water.

And then what it does is the people that get upset,

they know they're the ones that aren't 100% confident that they're right.

So they're the ones who clap back.

And then the ones who are like, that's pretty funny.

A lot of guys are full of shit, but I know for sure I'm hydrated and my joint's still dry.

And they don't comment.

They're the ones who have the confidence because they know they're right.

It's the people that don't have confidence that want to argue, especially screaming into the void in a comment section.

So I just, when I've heard so many dumb motherfuckers tell me that Mastron makes their joints dry, that I just ignore it altogether.

Now, I've had one person who is super diligent, who had measured his skin.

He went on Mastron for a certain amount of time.

His skin was really dry.

And then he went off a Mastron and then checked it again and his skin was no longer dry.

So he did a crossover controlled study with himself.

And maybe the positive predictive value for the rest of the population is irrelevant because the sample size is one.

But for him,

it's 100% valid.

Mastron really does make his skin dry.

And I respect him

because he did it right.

But I'm not going to assume everyone else does it right because he did it right.

Yeah.

So I have to assume everyone's wrong unless they can prove they're right.

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Do you happen to utilize any ancillarius to make sure that you're maintaining a decently,

I guess,

sufficient level of health and inflammation in your body?

Probably.

I take like 40 or 50 things a day.

Like give me some examples.

Well,

I guess even though there's a fuck ton, right?

I think it's always nice to just go through the entire list for people to hear again.

Okay.

You know, I have a whole list myself, but it's just always, I think it helps.

All right.

There's always new people to come into.

I'm going to forget a lot of shit.

So just because I don't include it in the list doesn't mean I don't like it.

Omega-3s, four grams of DHA a day,

two grams of EPA a day.

Yeah.

That's probably one of the most valuable things you can take.

Totally agree with it.

Citrus bergamot for heart health.

Tudka.

I don't really know if Tudka is effective for liver, but IV glutathione glutathione is for sure.

I take antihistamines.

I take a DAO inhibitor

and loratidine and cirtazine to control histamine levels because the anabolics are going to drive up histamine to some degree.

Trying to go through.

Vitamin D3.

Vitamin K2 to protect you from the D3, calcium, vitamin E.

I don't take a B supplement because I eat a lot of meat.

Um, vitamin A, I have a lot of carrots, so I don't necessarily add in vitamin A.

I take magnesium, 800 milligrams of magnesium biscuit at bedtime to get my magnesium in and help me sleep.

Take zinc as well,

stinging nettle, pygneum, or something like that,

saw palmetto

to control DHT.

I also use topical tutosteride, RU48841,

and isotrentinoin, and a couple other things on my topical with a derma roller to preserve as much as hair as possible.

I do the micronealing too.

Yeah.

Calcium before bed, because not in the morning, because I don't want to interfere with my T4.

I take prophylactic T4 to protect against

having T3 toxicity if I was to add in T3.

I'm in prep right now.

So T3 is on board.

SLU is on board.

MOT C is on board.

L-conitine is on board.

Clenn is on board.

T2 is on board.

Wrath was a little too strong for me.

So I had to, even though it's mine and I designed it, I don't handle stimulants well.

And there's very little in it.

It's 22 milligrams per caffeine.

per capsule but i just don't take caffeine as a general rule and um i have a topical, you know, hem bean cream I developed that I used to sell, but I don't sell it anymore because people were eating it.

So, you know,

people think I'm hyperbolic when I say people are retards.

I get the sample I'm presented with are the world's dumbest people.

So it's like the bodybuilding equivalent of eating Tide Pods or injecting Lysol is eating the topical fat burner cream.

And that's what I have to deal with.

So that's my perception of mankind.

So,

you invent something that can help everyone, and you can't sell it anymore because 1% is so dumb that they're so dangerous.

That, you know, when I made D2 liquid, everyone was drinking it from the bottle, they weren't using the oral

syringe that came with it,

and it was making their thyroid stop working.

I'm like, well, this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I'm not going to make this anymore.

So, I

no one ever sued me because I stopped making it.

It didn't matter how much money I was making.

I'm not going to burn out people's.

It's like goldfish.

You just keep feeding them and they'll eat until they die.

So it's like you can't just give them something that burns fat that they can stick in their mouth because they'll just keep sticking in their mouth as long as they look in the mirror and see fat until they're dead.

It's so scary to be the one.

And you're like, well, that's so cynicalistic.

But if you're the one who's legally on the hook for them self-destructing, destroying, you can't risk it so because that's what i deal with that's my perception of mankind people save things so there's things people know not to say out loud but they will say them when they ask questions in private so i have a different

stuff that we they won't even ask in the comments section so i have a different perception of what's going on And that's why it seems that I'm so cynical and I'm so rigorous about bumper padding and for everything, like the helicopter moms that give their kids a helmet and knee pads and wrist pads and elbow pads and ankle pads to ride a skateboard on the driveway.

I wasn't like that.

I didn't need that.

But after doing medicine, now I realize that that's why those things exist.

There are people that need those.

Sometimes you don't know.

And so if you're the guy who makes the skateboard, you have to make it a law that if you're going to ride the skateboard, you have to have all these pads on.

So, those are like some of the ones that I use.

That's not all of it.

Right.

Yeah, there's a fuck tide.

Oh, for Prophylactic, Talma Sartan, and Reditrutide.

I really think those are very protective.

Okay.

Yeah.

What do you think about?

I want to ask about Redatrutide in a second, but what do you think about Mot C and SLU?

And how do you feel like that's worked for you?

Energy.

Energy and heat.

That SLU, without MOTC,

PrEP is a nightmare.

With MOT C, especially with MOT C and SLU, PrEP's so much easier.

Nice.

Same thing with retitrutide.

They all work so well together.

What about methylene blue?

Have you tried that?

No, because Ella, Scientific Snitch, says that it's a DNA chelating agent.

So it's going to cause massive DNA damage and rampantly increase the risk of cancer.

People are afraid about using GH because it gives cause cancer.

GH doesn't doesn't cause cancer.

It causes IGF-1 to go up, and IGF-1 grows everything,

muscle and cancer alike.

But eating protein increases IGF-1, lifting weights increases IGF-1.

So everything you do to grow muscle also would grow cancer.

That's not the same thing as an actual direct carcinogen.

Methylene blue isn't a direct carcinogen.

It will create cancer.

I'm so curious how true this is.

I haven't done any research on that.

It's my fault.

I mean,

Ala did the research.

I didn't do it myself.

But it's used in labs to chelate the DNA.

Specifically, it's also synchro-sorted in mitochondria.

It targets the mitochondria DNA for this.

And the mitochondria DNA is even more fragile.

Because normally, when the DNA is wrapped around histone cores, it's protected.

It has to be open and ready for transcription to get actually broken up and damaged by carcinogens.

So, only cells that replicate could cancer, really, which isn't entirely true, but your chance of getting skin cancer is way higher than your chance of getting a neuronal cancer because neurons don't replicate and skin does.

Mitochondria have much more vulnerable DNA.

I think there's the mitochondrial DNA has less histone core, or it's in a transcription-available state more often, so that there's more opportunity.

I think it also gets in the way of the CD4

or CD1 and 2, which are basically anti-cancer checkpoints.

I'm curious what Dr.

Scott Sher would say about this.

I'm kind of, I have a feeling that it's

this was one of the things that were very dose-dependent,

where I think the doses below

probably five milligrams, maybe 10 to 15 milligrams are significantly lower than the doses applied in this study.

But I mean, this is something that I feel like I would have to look at myself and I'm kind of just throwing shit out.

So, but that's good to know.

Damn.

What about Reda Trutide?

I love Reda.

So, Reda, I never used Ozempic and I never used Truzipatide.

But Reda, in the beginning of prep, it just took away all hunger.

I just didn't care.

I'm still very food focused now.

Once I got lean enough, it's just, I don't think it matters.

I think it's different mechanisms that are in play.

Maybe red is helping.

I'm only using two milligrams twice a week.

And I know I could use up to 12.

I probably should up the dose again to three milligrams twice a week.

How do you, how do you feel on it right now, I guess?

I feel fine.

Yeah.

You don't feel any, there's definitely like no nausea or anything at this dose.

I've never used, had any nausea.

And how much do you inject it right now?

On a high day, at the end of the high day, I use two milligrams.

Okay.

And then I have two high days.

Well,

two medium days.

I have two 3,000 calorie days and my normal days are 2,000 calories.

And I've been like that for like, since 16 weeks out.

Whereas normally I'd be at 200 carbs the last couple of weeks before a show.

I've been under 200 carbs from 16 weeks out.

So for eight weeks, I've been, this is the longest, most brutal diet I've ever done.

Yeah.

And I feel nothing.

compared to what I would normally feel because of Reda.

That's awesome.

And then the energy I get from the mozzie and the slu

the combination of those three

not that that's all i'm taking but that's the three new things this prep that i've never done before and out of 17 years of competing this is by far the easiest prep i've ever done and the leanest i've ever been 15 weeks out 12 weeks out 11 weeks out

how many weeks out are you now i'm like eight Yeah, your arms look pretty fucking lean.

I was down to 184 this morning.

Do you remember?

What was your last stage Do you remember?

Well, my last, I got down to 177, but I fucked up my peak.

And so I was on stage at 191.

Oh, shit.

I looked my best at 184.

So I don't look good today, but I looked really good

Saturday morning.

Okay.

Saturday morning, I was 187.

And I was like blasting full vascular striations everywhere.

Nice.

The only thing that's not in is my glutes, but with classic, your glutes are covered up by the trunks anyway.

Yeah.

Your diet sounds kind of similar to mine.

Also have the carrots.

Also got 2,000 calories about a base, and my high days are higher than yours.

They're about 3,400, 3,400.

And I have been considering starting Retta.

I wanted to try Terzeptide first to see how that is and then go in just because I want to, just out of curiosity.

But what

why would you rob a bank with a knife when you could rob it with a gun?

So I think the first thing is I've read some anecdotes of

I've read some anecdotes of people that just have to titrate the dose up higher and higher.

And I know I'm probably not going to ever run into that problem for as long as my prep is and how long the next following shows are.

But I have trazepatite on hand anyways.

Okay, that's a different

story.

Yeah, it seemed to me, anyways.

So, if you have

reta, if you have trizipatide on hand, then you could use that.

But my understanding is it's a lot cruder,

it's just less sophisticated.

Um, I know of some differences, but what are the differences?

Well, there's no glucagon in the trzipatide, there is glucagon in reta 2.

So, I was

at 136 average blood glucose on 50 units of insulin.

I used one milligram of Reta, and the next day I didn't use insulin, and my average glucose was 96.

Within a month of using Reta, my average glucose was like 70.

Nice.

It completely cured my diabetes.

Damn.

And if I didn't have that, I would have went hypo.

I've never went hypo since going on reto.

That's fucking.

Yeah.

I never run out of energy.

I do.

I'm a big fan of how much it regulates blood sugar.

Yeah, that's probably my favorite part about it, to be honest.

That's the only reason why I added in.

I didn't add in for hunger.

The only, I think, one of the concerns I didn't mention that I had, and I know the percentage is extremely fucking small, but I tend to be one of the percentages that has insomnia.

You know, like I have this random insomnia, and it's been the worst and annoying thing.

And I've had to pay a lot of money just to get like mouthpieces for sleep and all this shit.

So I'm a little bit more, I guess, I don't know if it's neurotic when it comes to sleep.

So I think my one concern is that there is like the smallest percentage increase in heart rate and sleep disturbances from Red A versus Trezepatide.

And that's kind of why I wanted to try both is to see if I have any of those issues.

Forget that.

Yeah, there's 73 resting heart rate.

So, and that's on the Diet Coke, right?

That's on the Diet Coke.

It's like 73 heart rate, it's like 60 or 50 when I'm sleeping.

All right.

Um, when I train, it gets up to 100, 110.

With weights, cardio, it's usually like 100.

So

let's do this Q ⁇ A real quick because we have like five minutes.

That flew by.

I know, bro.

It's the problem with these.

That's why my podcast has been going

three hours long recently.

KC Mario says, goth girls or PDs?

Goth girls.

Polyfucking D asks, favorite Final Fantasy character and why.

Sephiroth.

Sephiroth.

Thought you were for the good, bro.

No.

Nigel White Fitness asks if Mastron was a woman, would you marry it?

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, absolutely.

Mastron doesn't say no.

Hayden Sandquist asks, would Mastron E cause less metabolites than P?

I'm assuming he says Primo.

Hence why people go bald from P.

it sent less metabolites, but the metabolite from Primo is the AI.

And when you ever you stop aromatase, you're going to drive the flow towards 5-alpha reductase.

You're going to get more DHT out of the test.

If a cup has two holes and you plug one of the holes, the flow out of the other hole is going to speed up.

This is whatever.

I'll ask it anyways.

The real Meoff asked recommended dosing for a test mast Anivar stack.

This is definitely going to depend perversely.

Yes,

20 to 40 milligrams of test a day, probably 25 milligrams of Anavar pre-lift, sublingual, and all the rest of your gear load should come from MAST, whatever that needs to be.

Okay.

I know this is kind of something you've discussed a fuck ton, but Yoseba is...

An awesome dude, and he's a fan of this pod and RPP.

And he asks, what reason do you prefer MAST over other PEDs like Primo or NPP?

Primo is an AI, and it's weak as fuck.

It's 60 to 80% the transcription of testosterone, whereas MAST is 80 to 120% the transcription of testosterone.

So transcription of DNA into protein, which is what you're looking for, is how much protein are you getting milligram per milligram.

And then NPP, that's about 60 to 70%.

So basically, mast can be up to twice as strong as Primo and Nandrolone and has almost no side effects at all.

With the amount of drugs, with the amount of Primo you'd have to take to be equivalent to Mastron, it would drive up the DHT conversion from your test so high that that extra DHT would cause the HDL suppression that the Mastron causes anyway.

And then because the Nandrolones have a progestational effect, it causes gyno in most people.

If you've got no nipples, fuck it, rock the nandrolone.

But in most people, there's going to have some real consequences from using Nandalone.

Yay, Peter Yangowski asks.

Nothing to ask that y'all won't already be discussing.

Very excited about this collab, though.

Oh, cool.

Yay.

Christine Santino asks, how do you rotate your injection sites when doing daily injections?

Middle delt, rear delt,

lateral tricep,

long-headed tricep.

That's four sites on one arm.

Oh, yeah.

Whoa.

Four sets on one arm, four sights on one arm, four sights on the other arm.

So you got eight sights.

If you want to, you can use lats.

I never do quads.

Yeah.

Just want to say this for the pod, but I believe that everyone has different sites that are best for them.

Like you hear some people that just can't inject their lats and they get nerve damage.

Some people can inject their lats fine.

I've been able to inject my lats for a while.

Fine.

Some people don't inject their glutes and they have issues with maintaining their striations.

Some people don't have that problem.

Yeah, I think you just got to kind of figure it out for yourself.

Restless 1982 asks BP meds if Thomas Harden doesn't get the job done.

I think you got to fix the real problem.

Why do you have high blood pressure?

It's probably because you're using too much test.

Yeah.

It's a cycle design.

If you don't have blood pressure problems when you're off-cycle, and you do when you're on cycle, the problem is your cycle.

Not finding the right med.

Cycle.

Yeah, cycle and lifestyle.

Right.

Well, I mean, if, right.

I mean, if they're eating chili cheese fries and Big Macs, then that's probably going to be.

I'm not doing it for you or anything, too.

Yeah.

Negative Jack-Jack asks, when getting blood work, what should you do before to get accurate results?

Drink a gallon of water.

Bro told me this today.

Yeah.

Gallon of water.

Also, I think

it would be best for someone to take at least four days off of trading, but nobody hears that.

Well, if you do that, that just gives you a false low on your ALTAST.

It's not like you're going to, like, oh, you've got kidney disease, and then you just stop lifting for four days and get it redone.

You're like, your kidney disease is cured.

No, it wasn't kidney disease.

You're just lifting.

So that's why you'd order cystatin C for kidneys and GGT for liver.

They're not based off training.

Connor Logan asks, how have you brought up your back so much, especially so deep into your career?

I don't know.

I had Niall show me last year how to train back.

Come on, spill the other truths, bro.

All right.

So

I wasted about two years trying to do the optimal training and the slow shit.

And that's how I lost the back.

Really?

Yeah.

So when I just took the good from the optimal and went back.

So the exercise selection I was using, which was bent rows, pull-ups, one arm, dumbbell rows, and rack pulls,

That was the wrong exercises.

The rack pulls was wrong.

Yeah, because, but what I did do is I used the chest-supported rows and one-arm lat pull-downs, but I used the same level of intensity.

And

basically, I had Dom Kuzig went with me to the gym at 17 weeks out.

I was like, take the belt off while you're training your lats.

Because I'd never worn a belt when I was training my lats before, and I did that season, and my lats disappeared.

And then also,

your lats are contracting better when you do it your way and not the optimal way.

So, I was always able to make a mind-muscle connection with my lats if I just stretch the lat and squeeze the lat, not worrying about the cueing and all the rules that the optimal training people said.

But the optimal training stuff is just a bunch of cues that are not helpful.

If you actually can feel the lat, just stretch the lat, squeeze the lat.

Gotcha.

So I don't really, now I just don't pay attention to what I'm supposed to be doing.

I pay attention to what I can feel.

You know, because the optimal crowd says, like, for instance, Kuba Celian says, it doesn't matter if you can feel the muscle, just execute the proper form and the muscle will contract.

Which might be true, but it's not good enough for me.

I want to be able to feel the muscle stretch and contract and then escalate up load as needed to stay in my rep range.

So for my lats, I'm doing something stupid like 12 to 17 reps with one arm rows and shit like that with cables.

And I feel the lat where I want to feel it, even though it's pathetically low weight.

And I think that the lats have really improved a lot in the last three, four months.

I'm on the team that

if you're experienced enough and you

feel it doing it a certain way, and then you see the results, that's the way to do it for you, obviously.

Yeah.

So mind-muscle connection, taking it near, if not to failure, and making sure to train it three times a week.

Lathamel 98 says, I'm curious on his stance on someone with size, with cystic fibrosis getting into bodybuilding.

That's brutal.

I don't have much of a stance about that.

That's a really bad lung.

like scarring in the lungs, fibrous lungs, and you can't breathe very well.

It's a really poor prognosis, very sad disease to have.

I don't know how that would really play into it, except for I'd assume take really long rest periods.

But there might be something he's talking about that I haven't considered.

Like if the collagen synthesis generated from anabolics and all the other drugs we use to heal would probably exacerbate or accelerate the rate of cystic fibrosis.

I'd have to really do some digging before I had an intelligent answer.

All I can say is I don't have a good intelligent answer for this.

Right.

We're playing,

we're really just like playing programmer with ourselves.

And it's like every small thing will affect something else.

So if you have genetics that are predisposed for certain diseases, man, it makes things a lot more complicated.

It makes risks for certain things so much higher.

And I think a lot of people don't know that because not everyone's in the medical field, you know.

So that's why we're seeing a lot of these accidents happen.

Just, I'm thinking, you know, because obviously

I've had a death recently.

I'm just thinking about all the people in my life that have died recently.

And obviously a lot of them are not bodybuilders, but

so much of it, especially when it's like, it's like a random occurrence.

It's just, I don't know.

Would you agree that you know

like the relative risk of sudden death for health-related causes is higher in the general population than bodybuilders, not higher in bodybuilders, even though the perception of the public is that bodybuilders are less healthy and more likely to die.

Is that a fact?

Well, I'm asking you because I believe that you know a lot of bodybuilders and you know people that aren't bodybuilders, but the majority of the people that you know that died weren't bodybuilders,

yeah.

So it isn't a risk enhancer to be a bodybuilder.

I think it's a risk decreaser, you're less likely to die if you're a bodybuilder.

I'm on the stance that there is no correlation.

And what is important is how adherent you are to monitoring your own health.

And some bodybuilders are super adherent.

And bodybuilding sometimes pushes people, like me, to be more obsessive

over health and learn more about medicine and all these things.

On the other side, there's the opposite too.

You know, there's people that

there's people like Boston Lloyd, you know?

But the problem is Boston Lloyd's the exception, but because he's the exception,

he gets the most attention.

And people who don't really have any wisdom misperceive this exception.

I don't think he's an exception.

I think he's an extreme.

He's like the extreme end of the polarization.

There's people all in between, you know.

But I would think that one out of a thousand bodybuilders were as bad judgment as Boston Lloyd.

Whereas people think it's 50%.

I mean, you think a lot of people are retarded, right?

So

there could be a big percentage there.

But retardation is scaling.

I'm sorry for saying that word, by the way, guys.

I love the words.

My favorite word.

No and retard are my two favorite words.

So I would say that.

We're not targeting any specific demographic or anything.

No.

No.

It's just, well, it's anyone who's two standard deviations lower than you is going to appear retarded.

Because it's relative.

The definition of retard is someone who's two standard deviations below the average IQ.

All right.

Change the conversation.

I'm not part of this conversation right now.

There's something I really like that we discussed, though, before we wrap up.

The frequency training, the high-frequency training, and how we're talking about like optimal-based and science-based and all these things.

I think it's kind of, I've been talking about this a lot.

I also talked about this with Dr.

Pat Davidson, who's a really cool guy.

I don't know if you know of him.

He's like on the men's health magazine like podcast all the the time and just cool guy on trading.

And he, you know, being a science dude also is just like, yeah, these optimal TikToks and people have taken it way too far.

Right.

Like there's a level of fucking oomph that you have to get your body to adapt.

And I think while everybody should find the frequency, the training program, the periodization that's best for them, I think there is kind of something to be said about

two of the best classic bodybuilders we got right now, Mike Summerfeld and Terrence Ruffin, did implement high high-frequency training and different forms of upper-lower splits of their program when they gained the most mass.

So I think that's kind of cool.

There's a fuck ton of other variables in there too, such as gear.

They're doing upper, lower, off, upper, lower, off is when they made the progress.

I've been doing upper, lower, upper, lower, upper, lower, off.

So I just didn't need the rest.

I think the higher frequency does make it a lot easier for you to not only like reach the mat, the, the, the, the, I guess,

the best, the most optimal volume for stimulating your your own hypertrophy but

the whole thing of just being able to do like

you know like like it just fresh this six sets fresh this six sets this fresh this six sets versus like a total of like 18 sets in one thing where all the other sets aren't as fresh you're not doing as much load etc you know what I mean so that's a little that's the thing I like about trading frequency but depends on your lifestyle

I have one last question I ask everyone at the end of every podcast, which you've answered once before.

But if you were to

disappear from the world tomorrow and you had one message you could send to the entire world today, what would that message be?

Get really into Warhammer 40k books.

That is so fucking cool, and you will never hit bottom.

That is the

that is the deepest, most elaborate

story ever told.

Like the Horus Heresy alone is 63 books.

That's That's just one war.

That's from 31,000 to 31,200.

And that's, and that means that there's 9,000 more years of war between 31 and 40.

Holy shit.

That the

such an elaborate fucking universe.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

If you're like in a wheelchair or you're quadriplegic tomorrow, I know that there's, that sounds horrible, but the upside, you you get an infinite amount of audiobooks to listen to.

And Warhammer 40K, you'll never get bored.

Oh my gosh.

That probably was the deepest answer that I've ever had to that question ever.

That started off silly.

It sounded silly, but it was deep.

All right.

Where could everybody find you, bro?

Google ToddlyMD.

And I'm on every platform at ToddlyMD, with the exception of YouTube, which is Dr.

Todd Lee's Anabolic University.

Gotcha.

Awesome.

And coaching-wise, where can they find you?

I'm toddlemd.com.

If you want to reach me, get a consult.

I only talk on the phone.

I never text.

I never email.

It's all got to be voice.

Because the only way to really communicate with someone, especially about something as personal as health, is at least on the phone.

Because it's really hard to develop a relationship with someone about their bodies and health and their mind with text.

Text is 8% of communication.

Verbal is at least 18 to 20%.

So your body language is, I think, somewhere up to 70%.

So you get so much better connection with clients and patients on the phone than you ever would with email or text.

I totally agree.

Plus, it's a huge HIPAA violation to ever communicate with patients on HIPAA or email.

Okay, gotcha.

awesome.

Thanks for coming on, bro.

My pleasure.

Thanks for having me.

The most savage and polarizing doctor I've ever spoken with in my entire life.

To me, I'm being tame.

This is me, tame.

All right, peace.