Kyle Landi: The Bodybuilder Greater Than Down Syndrome

I'm just gonna turn on my sexy phone voice again.

Beep, beep, beep.

Show it.

Oh, man.

Oh, oh, oh.

All the old music boy.

Oh, man.

That's a good thing I love you too.

All right.

Cool.

I think it's good.

What should we put on?

Last time we were here, we put on Greg Duset in the background.

Oh, yeah, he's hilarious.

We love him.

All right, Greg Dousette.

Good old Deuce.

He's a funny guy, man.

Oh, he's with Greg and my Dussette.

Yeah.

we used that a lot.

He gave me some Turk Testerone.

Turk testerone.

Some Turk, testone, yeah, Turkesterone.

Dude, I'm telling you, it was absolutely out of this world incredible.

Really?

What did he do?

Turk.

Oh, I'm in the mic.

My bad.

Oh, yeah.

That's going to be really annoying.

Oh, cool.

No, yeah.

So I got Greg Dussette sent me up a couple bottles of his Turk.

I used one of them.

And within just maybe within a week or two,

my strength was up, my endurance was up.

Really?

Yeah, it was, it was amazing.

I bet you I put on a couple of pounds, but not a whole lot.

I only took it the one bottle, but uh, I'll tell you, that turk worked.

Turk works.

That turk works.

And you put it.

And old man,

yeah, buddy.

I'll bust you up.

He calls you out every time.

Everything.

Everything.

It never ends.

Bro speaks the truth.

Bro speaks the truth.

Wish bro would just not speak at all.

That'd be nice.

Well, for the podcast, you can talk, but after that, shut up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, you all

let you go.

Just letting you know this.

Like, how many?

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

How many podcasts does Greg do?

Like a million of them, eh?

I don't know how he does so many.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

I mean, to be honest, I don't even like follow along with his podcast, but like video-wise and everything, it's freaking insane.

I had him on my podcast like a while back, and

he was basically talking about his,

he just basically said that he has like these editors that will help write his script and like look up, you know, what's going on,

ideas and videos and stuff.

Did we just watch him on the, was it the morning coffee?

What's that show called?

I have no idea.

You know, the two guys.

The coffee.

They used to.

The coffee house.

No, coffee break.

Is it coffee break?

Black coffee.

I don't Something like that.

I just did a podcast with them.

It was really good.

The coffee house.

Yeah, the two younger guys.

I can't remember what it's called.

I don't know if you'll see it.

It'll come to me later.

Well, I mean, you guys are included in this, but like thinking about Greg and like Eric Janey, bro, like how they're able to,

I just don't even understand how they're able to do all that they do, especially while having.

I mean, I guess Greg doesn't have to do that.

You got to have a great crew.

Yeah.

Backup team.

It's insane.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, our backup team is Kimberly and me.

We do what we do.

We We are the team.

Yeah.

Team comp.

Kyle works out.

I videotape it.

Kim writes the captions for

how we do ours.

I check his work.

My spelling and grammar.

Yeah.

And then we go through the videos and see, and I make my little two cents.

Double check your work all the time.

What we'll do is I'll just work, we'll go for a workout and I'll watch the clips of the workout and I say, that one gives me goosebumps.

If it does give me goosebumps, not all of them give me goosebumps.

A lot of them do.

Had it all day this morning with Sal down at Will Silvio down at Gold's.

But I'll look at them and I think, I like that one.

And I'll post it.

Some of them take off, some of them not so well, but it's just like, I like it.

And how

I post on our, on our, we post on our Instagram, we use it more for like, um,

more for an electronic photo album for us to go back and view.

Like, like i mean obviously the love and support of of of the social media world and people out there who continue to show up for us and um support kyle that means the world to us without them we i think here's important to understand that as athletes and whether you're professional or whether you're um

whether amateur whatever the case may be and you're striving to be that next level I think without the love and support of A for fans, I don't like to refer to people as fans.

It's more like supporters, I guess.

But hey, I consider I'm a fan of fighting.

I'm a fan of bodybuilding.

So it's not really that big of a deal to refer to them as fans, people as fans.

But to me, it's more, I like to call it.

I know what you mean.

I think about that all the time, too.

I just,

I feel weird saying that term.

But the supporters always resonates more with me, I guess.

I mean, they end up being like homies and friends because you run into these people and you find out you have a lot more in common than you thought.

Or do you ever,

you know, because of you, like,

I'm going to the gym now.

Because of you, I was able to get through my mental health issues.

And because of you, I'm bringing my brother who has Down syndrome to the gym now or sister or whatever.

And it's like the amount of people who are telling us that it's incredible how that spreads.

And even from people that we've never met, we hear from other people.

Oh, so-and-so knew about you.

And, you know, we watch you at our school, the whole school, you know, of

our Special Olympic teams or whatever.

We have you on like video at our every Thursday night.

So it's really cool how to see how it's spread across the world.

Yeah, that is awesome.

Yeah, it's really inspiring, many, bro.

Many.

I did

podcast with my crew,

little LA crew.

But yeah, take a mission with my buddy.

My mission, yeah.

Yes, he said for clarity.

He said, I'm excited.

I'm doing a podcast with my young LA crew.

This is going to be wicked with my buddy.

I'm stoked, dude.

I'm stoked.

And

going off of what people are like saying whenever they come up to you, too, like, I think that's probably one of the things where I personally found a lot of fulfillment in doing something that I

honestly found a lot of embarrassment with

initially.

Plus, you know, back then, like 10 years ago, like social media wasn't as much of a thing.

So when I was like doing social media with my fraternity brothers, they'd be like,

you know, okay, so like some fraternities,

my fraternity had these like initiation like pledge nicknames for all of us.

And mine ended up being hashtag baby gap because one, I would wear way too tight of clothes.

And two, I was posting on Instagram all the time.

Boss for me.

Be given so much shit just for a post on social media.

And then, you know, after like years and years of doing it, you know, you find that you end up connecting with so many people,

making so many co-relationships with people.

through

this space that was just like never able to connect someone, you know, a thousand miles away from you.

That's incredible, isn't it?

Yeah.

I think that speaks volumes too about

the type of people that

we

interact with, like you said, but not only that, but the type of people that are in the community, the fitness community itself.

For me personally, my experience has been, it's been a lot of like-minded people.

The majority of people that we meet all want to achieve a common purpose.

We all want to get better.

We want to improve ourselves mentally, physically, and of course, spiritually, right?

And like the majority of people that message us, their messages are pretty much the same.

Different words, different, different languages, but the messages are.

We're rooting for you, Kyle.

Like, we're watching you as you progress and you make us want to, you know, work harder, do better.

Yeah.

And when we started this journey, it was to document the fact that there's just not enough people with disabilities out there in the world at the gym.

And

we really wanted to make sure that

we made them feel like

it's great to be in a gym.

And whether you have Down syndrome or any sort of disability,

it's changed his life to get healthy and be in the gym and

have a purpose every day.

And just socially, right?

Has it made you feel like, because now you have all these friends?

Actually,

what we want to do

for me

that you can ask your

show

good

i want to do like um pull me at checking uh chasing

good oh yeah yeah yeah i don't want he he wants he yeah he he doesn't like that he's labeled with down syndrome and it bothers him that he's a little different than others and it affects him you know every day that

and he i don't know this is an outlet for him like we all have a need for an outlet and this is an outlet for him to feel normal and like everybody else and be like you know

you lift weights i lift weights you know we're we're all the same and it makes him feel like he's one of the guys which is really good Yeah, that's, that's, that's a very, uh, that's a very interesting point because when we're out in public before Kyle started training, we're seven years old.

So, and the thing with Kyle, that's freaking insane.

Even before bodybuilding, before he bodybuild, before he started the bodybuilding, before he did his first show in 2023, this man is like clockwork.

He eats almost every day, the same time, the same foods over.

You know, he was born and bred to be a bodybuilder.

But to digress back to Kimberly's point, when we see people out in the street and stuff and they approach us, and this is before social media, I know they're coming from a good space, their heart's in the right place, but like when someone comes up, if you're a 20-year-old man and someone comes up, hey, buddy, how are you?

You're trying to be nice, but it's more like it comes off almost a little bit condescending, like, and it's not intentional.

I understand that.

But when he's in the gym, 50 pounds to Niall is 50 pounds to Kim, is 50 pounds to Kyle, is 50 pounds to Joe.

And the boys and women, men and women, boys and men and women in the gym treat him like a man.

It's not like, oh, buddy, it's like, motherfucker, lift that weight and push now.

Let's go.

And he's very determined when he's out there like you you work really hard actually i work

my ball

good

old this year

i do call no show but my five hours straight he does do about five hours straight of cardio what yeah yeah i think you told me that last time we're in the do we have gym our gym sash but That's still, that still hasn't registered in my mind, to be honest.

No joke.

What does that happen?

I've got, oh man, I got no shoes going good.

She

yeah, because yeah, he's like, you need to work out.

You need to lose that belly fat.

He wants to change.

Yeah.

Yeah, on stage.

Bye-bye, here.

Yeah, you tell the story.

And I got the bell.

Yeah, new bell got new

hole.

You need to work harder.

So So he's talking about a story of my first competition in, was it 2023, November, I think?

Yeah.

Yeah, the first time I've ever competed, I was 47.

And I'm standing at the bottom of the stair, ready to walk up on stage.

Homie's sitting here next to me.

They call my name and number.

I walk up.

He's like, homie, homie, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Like a wheel,

he looks right at me, looks down, and he says, you should have worked a little harder.

You're still a little bit fat there as I'm going up on stage to a confident boost.

Yes, you got, you got all my belly.

I'm like, oh my belly.

I'm like, bro, where were you six, seven weeks ago, man?

You're leaving this till the last second?

You could have worked a little harder.

Talking about a confidence booster.

Opposite of a confidence booster.

Yeah, but speaking of confidence, working out has like given him great confidence.

Like he just is so much better as far as like speaking to people,

holding himself up, his posture is better.

His physical health is better.

Just overall, he just sleeps better.

He finds a purpose every day because he's going to the gym all the time and it gives him purpose.

And he's helping other people.

Like we are, you know, we're working with,

you know, small classrooms where we're trying to promote physical health for people who have disabilities.

And we go in, we do.

a little event and and try to promote the fact that it's helped him and it'll help you and spread the awareness that just because you know they have a disability uh doesn't mean you know you should stop and

not work out and growing up kyle honestly was always the only person with a disability in his class like i'm not talking about school i'm talking about uh dance class gymnastics swim class um karate classes and he was good at anything he was good at everything

And I always wondered, where are all these other kids?

You know,

why aren't they here in these classes?

So, I mean, we did start at Special Olympics and love Special Olympics, but it just wasn't enough for him to level up.

So we just kept putting him in mainstream and he would level up and try to be as good as everybody else there.

Wow, gotcha.

So, um,

there's a lot of things going through my mind one off because, uh, I mean, it's from a much, much lesser level, but I love hearing a lot of things like this because I feel like it's

in a way for me personally, and I'm sure a lot of other people out there

probably in their own different types of ways.

You know, everyone comes from a different background, everyone comes from a totally different

genome and lifestyle and whatever.

But

I feel like this, I might, I myself really relate to, I guess, the fact of

probably what brought me to California and doing social media in the first place.

Because

personally, we can talk about this a little in another time because I want to hear about your story.

But

I grew up in Texas.

It was kind of extremely racist, to be honest, at the time.

And I was also in a white, predominantly white city

called Station, Texas, where Texas Adam is.

And I was also pretty dang obese, even though my parents didn't

my parents like cared so much about me looking great you know it's a very asian culture like like bring on to the family you got to look good you got to be smart you got to bring all a's you got to go do every sport you got to do all the above right um however for me uh

um i think i coped with eating with eating i coped with like running down to the cabinet to uh shove some snacks in my mouth when my parents were asleep And

I don't know.

I just, I didn't have any friends because my parents wouldn't let me out.

It was just like just basically a cascade of being alone for a majority of my life.

And as I went to college and I realized like there's other Asians out there that do other things that like are accepted that like in social media people look up to.

I got like really into like Asian social media, like seeing these people do things like freaking

Just Kidding.

films.

I don't know if you've ever heard of them before.

Yeah, it's the people who also created Barbara Brigade, you know, like Bart.

And there's just a, there's just an array of people that I looked up to that I felt like

maybe I could be like one of them, you know, maybe I could be part of a community.

More accepted, yeah.

Maybe I could be accepted into something.

So that's why California had always, you know, exactly attracted me.

But

I want to like kind of roll.

Well, that's exactly how I think Kyle felt when he joined a gym.

He felt like this is my, this is my playground.

This is like, he felt accepted there.

Am I right?

Like, like he felt like he found a place that made him feel good and accepted and,

you know, not

looked at differently.

But he's just there to work out and do, you know, do a workout like everybody else.

And I think that's, that's really

how it started.

I think you hit the nail right on top of the head when you said playground because we'll take Kyle to different gyms in Toronto.

And

we just went to one in Barrie, which has been an hour, hour and change from our house.

This new gym that just opened up.

This homeboy walks in, and the shit-eating grin on his face when he saw this gym, dude, he's just like, Wow, a new gym, a new playground for me.

I want to do everything here.

We're a two-hour time to go home.

No, I'm not done yet.

Okay, bud.

Yeah, just know when you're done.

You don't play all day, yeah.

Literally, he'll be there all day.

Yeah, no, I don't play all day.

I don't play all day, you like a train all day, cardio.

I train, cardio, and walk.

How do you cardio for five hours?

Yeah, how do you do that?

I don't know.

I just get going and I walk

power ranger.

I learned that from them.

He learned it from the Power Rangers.

That's okay.

Yeah, that's how he started.

So, because he wanted to be Green Ranger.

Yeah, the Green Ranger.

Jason David Frank.

Yeah.

So he

knew more showing him.

new version of Jason David Frank 2.0.

So when we started the social media, it was because we really wanted

other people.

So, okay,

let me go back to, hold on, what happened?

So for fun,

when he did chores, he would get a treat.

And his treat wasn't chocolate.

He wanted the muscle mags.

So he would every week, you know, pick out muscle bags.

But what we wanted to do is eventually have somebody like Kyle to look at, like somebody with Down syndrome to look at somebody like Kyle and go, oh, they kind of look like me.

I can do this too.

Like he's looking at muscle mags, which are Chris Bumsteads and Derek Lungsfords and all these guys.

But eventually, hopefully he will be on the cover of magazine so that other young men who are looking at,

you know, these magazines can identify.

But we pulled up the magazine a couple months ago from the basement because he would, back then, you would pull it out, pin up the center fold, which was how to do like certain muscle moves.

I don't know if you remember that in the magazine.

Okay, so you could pull out the center and it shows you like how to do push-ups, how to do certain curls.

So we would tape it to the basement wall and he would self-teach himself because we didn't have the YouTube back then, right?

Where you or like, you know, TikTok where he could like watch and how to do it.

So he would learn by just watching, like looking at these muscle photographs.

And I pulled it up a few months ago, and I'm like, Jesus, look at this, Kyle.

We're going through it.

I'm like, you trained with this guy, you trained with this guy, you trained with this guy.

Like, it's like he manifested everybody in that magazine.

I mean, everyone, like, from Chris to Derek to Nick Walker to everybody who was in there.

It was pretty cool.

Yeah, I guess.

That's how they do collab with six-pack shortcuts.

My mom want me to

put on the wall.

Put it on the wall.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got to tell them the story about how you got started.

Yeah.

Good idea.

Um,

so in 2022, maybe 2020.

Yeah, it's 2022.

As we mentioned earlier, our daughter, Sarah, is a flight attendant.

Yeah.

Right.

So Kimberly, Madison, and Madison's our youngest daughter, and Sarah decided to go on a girls trip to Mexico.

It was just around the same time the Olympia was going on in

Vegas.

So homeboy and I go to Vegas.

Kimberly and the girls go down to Mexico.

And

we were in the in the booth and we come by this muscle tech booth and they're doing chin-ups, right?

So homeboy looks at me and he goes, should I?

And I say to him, only if you rip your shirt off.

It was a joke.

I didn't have the words out of my mouth.

He had the shirt off.

He's buttoning in line and Joshua Blaze, Joshua Manuel, is on the microphone.

Oh, Josh, bro.

Yeah, at the Muscle Tech.

He lives, bro.

That was his first video.

So I just take these videos to send to Kimberly to show, hey, we're having fun going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, make me like, you know, show off.

I didn't make you do anything, dude.

You tore that thing off on your own accord.

I just gotta say something real quick.

You said not me.

I said it, but come on man.

I just gotta say something real quick, by the way.

Yeah, yeah.

Dude,

it's crazy that it is me saying this because I feel like this would be really controversial to people who like just view everyone on social media.

Maybe aside from Kyle, but like, dude, straight up, Eric Janeke,

Josh Minoy, and you, Kyle, are the toughest people that I've ever trained with.

Yeah, you guys go really hard.

That's awesome.

Really hard.

And

I was shocked, I'll be honest.

That's incredible.

Well, thank you.

You guys were pushing me on those drop sets, man.

That was nuts.

You killed it that day, man.

You killed it.

You killed it.

That was awesome.

That was incredible.

So anyway, I take these videos and we come back.

We come back from Vegas.

Christmas time happens.

I came back with COVID and Kyle has COVID.

My wife has COVID.

The kids have COVID.

Now it's about four weeks.

It's actually 11 weeks from April 1st, the night it happened.

I think it was a Thursday night, if I'm mistaken.

Perhaps Friday, but it was a Thursday.

Homeboy comes in.

in, where Kim and I are going to bed.

Homeboy comes in and he says, hey, I have a great idea in my mind.

You know, when Kyle says he has a great idea in mind, something's coming, right?

He says, I'm going to be a bodybuilder.

So Kimberly, I explained to him what that means, what he has to do for the diet, the training, the posing.

I'm down with that.

I'm down.

Done.

He's walking out of the bedroom and he stops.

Mom, mom, by the way, I need a TikTok.

Here, start me a TikTok.

He throws it the phone.

He said, okay, we don't have social media at this point, 2022.

We don't have it.

It's out there, but we just don't do it.

So Kimberly starts him a TikTok right there.

I throw him the phone, pick a video.

He picks the Joshua at the muscle tech booth, the He Lifts Bro.

Don't even give it a second thought.

Go to bed, wake up the next day, going around the house, and we look at this TikTok just to see.

And I don't know, it was a lot.

And we see to ask Madison, Kim says, like a million?

She's like, is this normal?

I don't know.

I have no clue if this is normal.

But we wake up Madison at this point, it was like five or six million.

I go, Matt, is this like the uses normal?

She's like, no, no, that's not normal.

So I go, hey, you want to post another one?

Yeah, post another one.

Give him the phone.

He picks another one.

Same thing.

And it just kept pounding and pounding off from that.

And he, he trained for 11 weeks.

Well, he prepped for 11 weeks for his first show.

So we went all into though, man.

Like we didn't, we didn't play around.

We got him a bodybuilding coach, a posing coach.

And him and I, I've never trained with.

anybody.

I've always been a solo rider with training.

She said, I don't really like people too much.

I like to put my headphones on and be away from people, to be honest with you.

I mean, I've learned to like people a little more than I don't police anymore.

It's a little less intense.

But so he's been the only training partner I've ever had.

You know, he keeps me honest in the gym.

Keeps me honest, pushes me hard too, you know.

And, and, you know, so he, he's got it.

I see that he's picked up some idiosyncrasies for me because it's like when it's time to train, it's like, all right, man, knuckle down, get the business, do your work.

He's very serious.

So he's that same way.

He's like, hey, man, we're here to train.

We're not here to play.

We're not here to have fun.

Training is a job.

Let's get it done.

And, you know, afterwards, you want to have fun and talk?

Sure.

You know, and we have people in our gym that'll come up to them, hey, can I get a photo with you?

And they all know them.

And

I take the blame for this.

People are like, I'm training, but we can do it after training, please.

That's okay.

We'll do a train.

I noticed that last time we were training, too.

You did, eh?

Yeah.

Okay, I got to ask this because I was looking through some of the, I saw a podcast that you guys were on, and I also watched a little bit of Tristan's video back then.

Oh, yeah, I love Tristan.

Yeah, I love Tristan.

He's one of my best homies.

but um,

I, as I was watching them, I ended up just like turning them off because I didn't want to hear the story, I just wanted to hear it straight from you guys.

Oh, okay.

So, I guess, reeling back from you know, when Kyle was born, yeah, I would love to hear the uh, the entire thing.

So, when when Kyle was born, I uh I didn't know he had Down syndrome, and he was

um six weeks early, six weeks premature, and uh,

so

he came bursting out like 12 hours later.

And

it was, my water broke Valentine's Day.

And then he came out, yeah, like on the 16th of February.

And immediately they knew something was wrong.

And I had no idea

that he had Down syndrome.

And they said, oh, he has a,

it looks like there's a problem.

He's turned blue.

There's, and it turns out he has a heart condition.

And they took him away.

And so they took him away for a little while.

And then the nurses told me, just, I, I think I was in the middle of hemorrhaging at the time, but they're telling me that

it looks like he has Down syndrome.

And at the time, I was like, what's Down syndrome?

Like, I kind of knew, but I wasn't really like, you know, because this was 25 years ago.

And being from a small town,

not super familiar with uh down syndrome and all what what comes with that and i remember them

handing me or not i didn't even they took me to the premature uh and to have a look at him and they just sat there pointing out like what they would i guess consider deficiencies but um

Like they would say, oh, look at it.

See his ears.

They're smaller.

The way his neck is, it's smaller.

His hand, it has like a certain crease that goes all the way across.

And just showing me like all of these things, pointing out like his Down syndrome instead of like the baby that he is, the cute little pumpkin you wear as a baby.

And,

you know, there's a lot going through my mind, you know, like you're just whirling.

your hormones and everything and you're like like looking and you're like

you're not seeing the baby you're seeing like what they're pointing out and telling you the heart condition the little all the little things you're not enjoying the moment of you know this little baby you're like now like holy shit what does this mean you know like um is this baby going to survive you know like um and he's tiny too um you know what does this like mean like for my life like you know

and you know they they then handed me a book called The Down Syndrome Handbook.

And I took it back to my room and I started reading it.

And fuck, it was the most depressing thing I've ever read in my life.

I'm reading through it, and

it's talking about, oh, you're going to have to hand feed them.

And their muscles are very laxed.

And just

so many things.

It was so overwhelming that I was just like,

it's so much to take in.

Like,

they made it sound sound like they can't do anything on their own.

And I just remember thinking,

you know, I'm just going to take this day by day.

I threw out the book.

I said, fuck this book, threw it out.

And I said, you know what?

I'm just going to do it my way.

I'm not following these.

And

I said, I'm just going to take it step by step, day by day.

And every day,

I'm thinking, just because it says so doesn't mean it is.

You know, it could be completely different.

And I thought,

I'm going to raise him like my other two kids.

Like, well, at the time, I had one.

I'm going to raise him just like I did my other child.

Why should it be any different?

And I really did.

I thought it was really important that I push him the way I push my other child, you know, from everything to learning how to walk.

to swimming.

He was swimming in the deep end at the age of three by himself

to,

you know, eventually making his own food, doing his own laundry,

whatever it was, but capable of doing it on his own.

I remember even being at like playgrounds and people, you know, like

watching me and going, oh, he's over there by himself.

I'm like, yeah, I can see him.

He's fine.

But like, you know, people giving me dirty looks because I would let him, you know, kind of go do his thing.

And I felt it was important that he, I, I not coddle him because I did go to Down syndrome events where I did feel like personally, they,

to me, I didn't want to coddle him.

I didn't want to run for every little thing and, you know, help them feed them.

And I wasn't about that.

I was about pushing him because I knew he could do it.

And, you know, if he was at the playground and I let him wander by himself, I did that with my other children.

I'm standing right there.

I can watch and see, but I don't need to be by his side every second.

And I just felt that there has to be a better way than me constantly being by himself and doing it for him.

I just felt that these things could be taught.

And I really did push him, but I push my other children as well, too.

Maybe touch Baseball.

I think it's important to talk about when they send him home with the heart.

Yeah, I mean, he did have a heart condition,

which was fixed.

It,

you know, like they send you home and he says, and it's very typical of people, babies with Down syndrome, that they do have holes in their hearts and they do need repair.

But it was something that was very touch and go because they have to put on a certain amount of weight.

He was only six pounds.

He had to be nine pounds in order to get the surgery because he's underweight.

And it took a long time for him to gain that weight and nine months, in fact, to get to nine pounds.

And

they basically said, you know, he could turn blue.

If he turns blue, call 911, you know.

And you're, you know, you're basically sent home and

just hope for the best.

And yeah, in Canada, we don't have the resources the way they do in the United States.

We don't have Down syndrome clinics the way you do here.

You have so many.

We don't have resources like the US.

There's a great

Gigi's Playhouse is a nonprofit organization in the United States, 61 locations where they're there to help you every step of the way and they're amazing.

And you guys are very fortunate to have those types of companies around here.

But in Canada, you're really on your own.

You're on your own.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I hope, like, I hope that moms now are treated a little better.

And like,

and it's no fault to the nurses.

They probably don't know any better.

But, you know, like, let's celebrate the baby, you know, when you have a baby.

And let's not, you know, let's start there.

Let's celebrate you had a baby.

Yeah.

And

let's not start going into all the, you know, pointing out all the things because at first it's all I could fixate on right is like like holy shit you know you first you find that out and then and then it's not until after do you realize what a blessing you know it is

and he is

because you're so overwhelmed with so much information at first right and

and 25 years ago we didn't have TikTok and Instagram and to get that kind of information that's out there now.

It was kind of a lonely, scary journey.

And

now

it's great that we can show other young moms that, hey, anything's possible.

Like, this is amazing.

Like, it's such a blessing.

And

I think it's a limitless potential these days.

Thinking back how it used to be like 20, 30 years ago,

there used to be community homes.

I mean, I mean, there was years ago they were sent to homes.

And

yeah, like it's crazy to think of how it used to be back then.

And I think, unfortunately, people don't realize back then how much potential they actually have and how much ability they have in their disability, because this guy can learn anything.

And I think every kid with Down syndrome out there can.

And

I get everybody's got levels to them, as do we as people.

Without Down syndrome, we all have levels.

But I think we have to start thinking about how much potential they really have.

That's something that I, I'm going to be honest, that I

really love social media.

I love the fitness industry.

But I think one thing that I have not really liked so much, which

as awesome as they are and I love them, uh, I think I can allude to some creators' faults that like to do the natier knots sometimes, but yeah, I feel like there is this this, there used to be this immense hope in like what I could become, yeah, you know, um, whether it was just like how I looked in terms of my musculature or what I could achieve.

And I think ever since this, like,

this, like,

this detectiving, like, determination of this borderline of like what is really naturally achievable versus you know what does it look like when you are on peds

what can you what are your abilities like like what do you look like what is the look of being on trend like i think ever since these have come out

people are very quick to accuse someone of being on something because they've achieved a certain level and this has caused so many younger kids to be like,

I cannot get there.

I have the jump on steroids.

I cannot get there.

That's impossible.

Why even get your hopes hopes up?

There's no point.

Why even try?

It's a waste of your time.

It's a waste of your effort.

You could be doing things elsewhere.

Yeah.

You know, and it's just like, that's not how it is, man.

Like, when I was a kid, bro, I look at my parents, man, and they are these tiny little five-foot-two people that weigh 110 pounds.

And my dad weighs like 130 pounds.

No one in my family has muscle whatsoever.

They have played sports.

My mom was a great volleyball player.

My dad was an avid tennis player and he played basketball too, which was, it was popular in the Philippines.

Like, they worked really hard and they did active things and they care about their health.

My dad, he's a professor in AgiCon, so he does a lot of studies around food.

But

I don't know,

I don't see really crazy bodybuilder genetics, but no one back then told me like, you can't achieve this because this isn't natural, you know?

Yeah, I would just watch people like Calamon Mager and like Matt Ogus and like all these amazing figures, whether they were natty or not, and be like, I want to get there.

Yeah.

And I'm sure that's how Kyle was too.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

I tell you, if, if, if we had a, a dollar for every time that somebody accused us of having this kid on gear, steroids, we could probably at least buy a, I don't know, maybe a McLaren or something, but I don't know.

But yeah, man, this kid's 100% natural.

There's no juicing him.

No, I was going to say, like, it's insane seeing how much he's achieved on what you guys found out recently that he had 200.

Actually, this is even more interesting than what we just found out about.

We did his test levels last September.

So we'd always get his blood work done and make sure he's healthy, but we never tested his health.

Yeah, you will never guess how this.

We never tested his hormone levels.

So Kimberly and I last year, we're just sitting around having a conversation.

I've been doing TRT since I've been 35.

Kimberly's recently started a few years on her hormone replacement therapy as well.

Hormone replacement therapy is amazing for women.

Yeah.

I'm just amazing that men and cool

for both.

Of course, yeah.

Because I think if you do not have your hormones right, you just don't feel right at all.

So, and that's where we had this conversation.

Is I said to Joe one day

in December.

It was around September.

It was September of last year.

He was getting blood work done, and we were just having this conversation.

I said, Well, have you ever had his hormones checked?

She's like well, no, I haven't.

We got his hormones checked.

We got his blood level.

We got his test markers checked.

This kid's test was 200.

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200.

200 would say that.

So do you know what the average male is?

Between like six and nine, something like that.

I'm not an expert.

The range is 700 to 1,000.

Right you set would know, but the ranges from 300 to 900 or 1,000.

Most people you see go, isn't it?

Hit around 600.

And he only went to 200 because he pushed himself.

Like he, he normally, the doctor thinks he'd be about 100.

But because he works out so much, they think that he was able to pump it up to about 200.

So this happened in September.

We got the results back.

Yeah.

Kim and I both researched and researched and researched until December.

Yeah.

And I said to Joe, let me ask you a question.

Why, if you're on hormone replacement therapy because your hormones are low, why can't Kyle be on hormone replacement therapy if his hormones are super low, which they are?

And typically men with Down syndrome are sterile because they're so low.

And I said, if your hormones are low and you feel fatigue,

you can't get proper muscle mass, you're cognitively, you're just unfocused,

your heart is not as strong, your bones are not as strong.

Why wouldn't somebody like Kyle not be on it then to help him with all of those things too?

Yeah, and we researched for a couple of months, maybe three months, to find any studies, any case studies, any scientific evidence to support our theory that it could help him.

Nothing to our knowledge, unless somebody out there knows of something that we haven't found.

I found one study that was done, I think, in Switzerland.

Yeah.

Maybe.

But what they did was they had 10 subjects of men with growth hormone, and they used a growth hormone secreting peptide, I guess, but not hormone, not testosterone.

So

we researched it.

We did a risk assessment on it.

We said, well, look,

let's just try.

So then we met with the hormone doctor, his doctor, Dr.

Minhaus out of Toronto, and he does sports therapy, hormone replacement therapy.

He's in charge of like the raptors, the leafs, and Toronto make beliefs and all that.

And Kyle's very lucky to be able to see him.

And

he said,

so we brought it to him and we're like, you know, these are his test levels.

He's worn out from Silvio.

The workout.

Yeah, the workout this morning.

Wake up, bud.

I guess the pre-workout didn't work.

That's right.

He's another ghost.

That's crazy.

I have Basho.

So

we said to Dr.

Minghaus, you know, if what's your thoughts on Kyle and being on hormone replacement therapy?

Because

what I researched is their longevity levels are a lot shorter than, like, say, ours, the men's.

It's between 50 and 60 years old, which is such bullshit, right?

And 80% of them

have Alzheimer's.

So why are they getting Alzheimer's?

The plaque builds up between the ages of 50 and 60,

they're getting Alzheimer's.

And I'm thinking, well, if he's taking testosterone, could that stop it?

And he goes, absolutely.

Absolutely.

It could stop him from getting Alzheimer's.

And it's going to improve his bone density so that he doesn't break his hips when he gets older.

It's going to improve his heart.

Yeah.

He had broken his hip already when he broke his femur.

Yeah.

That's another story.

At 12.

Dang.

And it's going to protect his heart.

I actually

show Bobby.

I let him show.

So

he agreed and he said, I absolutely think he should be on testosterone therapy.

So he's the first in the world that we know of on testosterone therapy.

Yeah.

I think

Josh come and get

all you want to do.

And so he said he's thinking testosterone can help him work out and get rid of disability and get down syndrome gone.

So the thing about Kyle for us is a gift that he's really high-functioning.

For him, it's a curse because he knows.

So

he wants to get married.

He wants to have kids.

He wants to have a career.

He wants a car.

What's his driving license?

Why can't I go like you guys?

Why can't I do this?

Why can't I get a career?

Why can't I get married?

Why can't I have a kid?

Why can't I take the car for a drive?

He stole my car one day, but that's another story.

I see.

I know.

I did

park it.

He was one to park at for him.

Yeah, I did.

He just wanted to pull out the garage.

I got to tell you a funny story.

So

I take Kyle.

I've got this old beater car I have.

I take Kyle to the parking lot one day.

There's nobody there.

It's a huge parking lot.

I go, hey, man, you want to drive?

He's like, what?

Are you going to go for a drive?

So we put him in this car, let him take it for, you know, a couple, couple laps around the parking lot.

So, okay, bud, that's cool.

So, Kim and I go out one day, and our neighbor calls us, uh, Kyle's kind of in the car, and he's up on the curb and he's hit a tree.

Going, what?

Yeah, I

don't want to talk about that.

So, he stole my car, hit a tree, then ran home.

No, I know.

He was going to put the car in the garage.

Luckily, he missed the garage.

I'm glad he hit the tree and

was

to the hip.

He was 11 years old, maybe 10 years old.

He was

11, yeah.

I can't fuck my hip at 11.

And

that

you hopped a fence.

I

chased my cash around and I got

chasing his cousins around.

I shit for my blood.

And

pain, but it was painful

all this year.

I like my mom's talk about

anything.

Anything but.

He's like, we'll talk about anything but this.

Yeah.

But the car thief, or no, but I just talked about that.

I actually, I like my um talk about me, but I love her and knowing all way.

I find that and book no

cherry

acting

way but i kind of like that so the thing with kyle too is he's uh like 90 deaf as well

and uh so he doesn't have his hearing aids in so he i i'm not acting deaf

i just learned

he learns anything so sometimes his hearing aids his batteries died so sometimes it's hard for him to speak clearer when he doesn't have

time yeah unfortunately they died on the way over here yeah yeah yeah

So, you know, like, he's, he's got a few obstacles.

He's blind in one eye.

He's 80, 80, 90% deaf.

And

ugly.

I know that.

I said, he ugly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like,

why are you old?

Like 48?

You're going to be like 49 issue.

God willing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the testosterone journey is a new one.

We just started in January or end of January.

Yeah,

we started at the end of January, mid-January, perhaps, and we started him on Siponate.

So in conversations with the doctor, the doctor says, okay, his test levels that are 200,

or sorry, his test levels are at 200, let's start them on 200 mils a week and see how it goes.

And I said to the doctor, no.

We're not going to start him on 200 a week and see how it goes.

We're going to start him at 80 mils a week.

And then we're going to retest his blood within six months.

And we just got his six-month blood work back.

We just did it just before we left.

So we're going to figure out what his test levels are.

So it's to speak to what you said, Niall, is we, my goal, our goal, is to get him somewhere between six and nine, six and nine hundred of the preferably 600.

If he's around 900, I think that's too high.

I want us around 60, 650 mark.

So we're going to see where he's at.

And it hasn't been smooth sailing with the testosterone because he had a reaction

eczema on the face from the test.

So we were giving him uh 0.8, which would be 80 mils.

But what we did, we switched it to uh 200 milligrams ethanotate.

No, so now we give him 0.4, so it's still 80 milligrams, but it's half the substance going in his body, yeah, which seemed to help clear up the uh the eczema on the face a little bit.

But the interesting thing about that we noticed when we came here,

I don't know how many people, at least a half a dozen or so people that we know down here, had said to us, Man, oh man,

Kyle's ability to communicate and his dialogue and his ability to speak has gotten so much his hearing agent

so much better since he's gotten here and and kim and i have noticed that too he's so we have noticed i think cognitively it has uh there has been an improvement and i'll also say sleep too because he wakes up now way more alert like it's not taking him hours to kind of like come yeah he's like coming like he's like way more alert in the morning

and he's able to keep uh his weight on we've had a a really hard time with him because he likes to do cardio a lot, it was hard for us to keep the weight on, but he's been able to gain some weight and muscle, yeah, a little bit of muscle.

Actually, I like um, I got shit good, I like bone cow show a lot, good

blah, um, acting

spammy wine a lot, and why we want to do this bone like cow, you love food and

work out and

like um

we got healthy and chunky.

I like both

healthy and junk food, yeah.

Yeah, and I always had like a goofy brownie, goofy cookie, and you got them all

Goofy brownie-free.

Can you bring home a gluten-free brownie?

Yeah,

showing that.

Yes, yes.

So he does have have, he's a very, very good eater as far as eating healthy.

Very, very good.

He will, he will definitely say no

if he's already had a treat that day, like he cuts himself off.

He's really good with like, no, I'm good.

No.

He won't drink pop or any of that.

No, I have pop, but

gasy.

Yeah.

So, yeah, the thing about cocky is

super hard.

Super honest.

He doesn't know how to lie unless he has no filter unless he's still

yeah yeah yeah but we're hoping that this uh trt journey will um

you know start to

like hopefully we want to showcase that to other people with down syndrome especially males because the longevity of their lifespan is so short

and uh i think there

you know i think there's other alternatives and i think having the TRT the way we would, if we, if ours are low and we're receiving it, and I, and I said to Dr.

Minhouse, like, why are they not, are they not like us parents told that this is something that would help them?

Right.

And he just said, they're just an afterthought.

Science is lacking huge

huge words.

It's just not thought of.

And yeah, that's right.

And in talking to our friends at Gig's Playhouse,

they like who have 61 locations are amazing people.

And they said the same thing.

They had no idea that this was an option.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

So it's it's very groundbreaking information.

And we're looking at,

do you know who Jeff Nippard is?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we work out with Jeff Nippard and we're the us, Gigi's Playhouse and Jeff Nippard, we're looking at doing a case study on this and bringing it forward.

Oh, that'd be awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, Jeff Nipper.

This is an interesting thing.

Like, I guess I'm surprised that there wasn't even like some kind of considerations in the past.

Because, like, nothing.

I mean, isn't that crazy?

You know, I'm not like a doctor or anything, but like, understanding just the benefits of having a normal testosterone level, I don't see how even doing like a small, small dose of HRT regularly would, unless, like, unless like it was like, for example, like those with Down syndrome had like a higher risk or higher potential for,

I don't know, higher Apo B levels with like, but that just doesn't even happen with like an average testosterone level.

No, you know, average testosterone levels normally benefit a person in like all areas.

All areas.

So I just

thought, yeah, the fact that

it could help prevent Alzheimer's, like 80%

get Alzheimer's at 50, between 50 and 60.

If we can stop that, that's freaking awesome.

One of the biggest considerations, as my wife said, too, that we considered hard was Kyle had open heart surgery at nine months old so our concern was his heart so what one of the tests we did prior to we we did some EKGs and ultrasounds on his heart just to make sure his heart was okay you know testosterone levels he's working harder he's running harder he's like well let's just make sure everything's good there and we got the clean once we did all the tests we got the clean bill of health we said okay let's let's go down this path well every three to six months we'll check his blood work i want to do every three months the doctor says once a year i go no we'll do it every three months.

The boss says every six.

Boss says every six.

So we'll go every six.

We did a Dexa scan.

In fact, we're going to Venice Beach tomorrow for a six-month DEXA scan, and we're going to see what

improvements.

What improvements, if any, he made it probably going to tell us that I have way less fat than Kyle does because I'm skinnier.

But

now you don't go.

Mushpea and

actually

show.

I once

want hug him.

Oh, when you're on stage, you run and hug him.

Yeah, yeah, go.

Yeah, why don't you talk about your Venice beach?

Uh, yeah, yeah,

yeah, why don't you tell him?

Who won?

Um, I um

I got Jackie Play and

Blue Play, Mushby, and but yeah, yeah, play, actually, I don't care, much your dad.

You do everything you want to do.

I don't care.

Yeah, you tell me.

I had the honor, Connolly, it's very, it was, I don't think, I don't even know what how we ever even talk about it.

Kyle and I did prep together.

That's awesome.

We competed at Muscle Beach 2024.

Oh, that's awesome.

So Kyle can call me Mr.

Muscle Beach all he wants, but that's cool.

I technically am Mr.

Muscle Beach.

Okay.

We did the prep together, and you know, it was you competed, father and son.

Yeah, we competed together, not against one another, but in the same show, different classes.

Yeah.

Just, it was really, it's an it was an emotional journey to be on.

And I think, I think, as a result of that journey, we connected on a deeper level because of it.

You know, like he, the only reason I did this, my first show is because he did a show.

I had never planned.

I love to train, man.

Yeah.

I love the grind.

I've been training since I'm probably 10, 11 years old.

I didn't even know 40.

30, 40 years I've been, well, almost 40 years I've been training.

Kimberly's been training well over 40 years.

And Kyle's coming up on 18, 19 years of training.

So we almost got 100 years of room here of exercise, right?

So I've always trained.

It's for me, it's like it's it it's my it was an escape for me just to shut the world off just to get in there and just to be and be by myself and not have to worry about paying bills not have to worry about racing you don't really think when you're when you're pushing no and it's like you're just thinking about pushing it really is it really is

and it's like

i like the fact that with with weightlifting is the only sport in the world where it's designed to fail.

You fail in weightlifting, you fail in, you're doing well.

That means you're pushing yourself harder.

So, like, we're trying to teach Kyle the concept of failure.

He's, I don't fail.

You're talking about failure.

Dude, go to failure.

He goes, but I always win.

I don't fail.

What do you mean?

So I'm trying to teach him to push hard until he can't push anymore.

And he's like, Yeah, I can't.

I'm not going to fail.

He always like that.

Always, always.

Poofing around, your phone.

Poofing around.

All the phone.

Like, what are you doing, Shaki?

Your phone, do what?

I said, why are

men working out?

Yeah, he exposes.

He actually shows this shit.

You all phone no shot.

That's what he says: is stop being lazy and get off your phone.

Stop being on the phone.

We're here to work out.

Yeah, I sit all the time.

Yeah.

Doing the doing the prep with, well, Kimberly was huge in there, too.

She was a.

If we didn't have her,

I don't know if I'd be.

They're grumpy SOBs.

Yeah.

Actually,

I actually

a lot.

He does meditate a lot.

Yeah, Mate, actually, kind of help me.

But I can kind of stop.

Here's his mind.

And, you know,

I can calm you down a lot and

chill down.

Whenever he does like a guest pose or he's about to go on stage, you'll find him backstage meditating, just sitting there.

That's awesome.

Yeah, just chilling.

And then he's good to go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

calm.

That's how we want to do.

He likes to be nice and calm.

But when the two of them were on stage for a muscle beat, that was amazing.

They were like posing.

Walker was their coach, actually.

Andrew Walker.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Andrew Pett.

Shout out, Andrew Pett.

He's the best coach ever.

Yeah, Pet.

Yeah.

So, you know, them being on stage together was such an emotional journey and so great to see the two of them compete together.

And yeah, Kyle, like he came in second place.

And he's amongst all his peers, the regular men up there.

And for him to come in second place, that was a huge accomplishment.

Yeah.

Massive.

He's a good boy.

But

tell him what he said when he came off stage.

We're backstage after the show is done.

You got a second place.

He comes up, second place.

With his trophy in his hand.

Second place.

I don't fucking think so.

Let's go to the gym.

We're going to go train right now.

What?

I'm not happy about this.

Listen, they're not even cheering my name out there, Joe.

We gotta go train.

I'm gonna train harder and come back next year and kick everybody's ass.

He was very mad.

I don't know why you got push play.

All we want to get put play.

And

the guy shoot up, and

he won.

He won.

All we want

like my ship dad.

All we want to do, you gotta train harder.

No, I always shoot all, I swim my ball, and I always want to get pushed, but second play.

Nothing, yeah.

So, for anybody who

places nothing more,

yeah, we're the ones pushing him.

No, we hold them back.

He, this kid, all he wants to do is train, train, train.

I can tell.

I remember from our gym session, uh, I feel like you were chatting with somebody over there, and Kyle was just like, No, I need to do another set.

We're gonna be jumping, jumping to different exercises.

Yeah, went to the plate-loaded lap machine pull down, and then bro went to like another random machine somewhere else.

I was like, Dude, you're just adding more work in here.

That's crazy.

Bro's always

bigger.

Yeah, he told him he needed to get his chest bigger in order to win.

I can go go.

I can win.

And this guy shoot up and

check bigger

check actually I okay

only want you to win my speech challenge because

you better come back.

Um actually I come back

I'm sure Washington did not you do I'm sure better

not

I know

I'm not happy at all because I want him gone and I'm not

well

nothing like that.

Not playing around.

He's coming back for the title.

Yeah.

I go back.

Sean,

not gonna be pretty.

It's not gonna be pretty.

I'm coming back, you son of a bitch.

It's not gonna be pretty.

Yeah.

I

knew

Paul.

Yeah, so

with him doing the show in 2023, I thought, you know, if he's gonna go through that journey, well, I started the bodybuilding show when I was in my 20s and I quit.

I dipped out.

I couldn't, I was mentally just wasn't there.

I dipped out.

And I said to my wife, I've always wanted to do another show, but I'm too old now.

I can't do it, blah, blah, blah.

Homeboy comes along, does his show.

And I'm like, well, he can do it.

I can do it.

And if it wasn't for him, I never would have competed.

There's no chance I would have competed ever.

And the fact that

we got to go through that journey together,

I don't know.

If there's any words that I can, I can't consciously bring to mind the words to get them to my mouth to articulate the amount of gratitude.

and just imagine I was just so excited to do it with him you know like in that point in time yeah I needed that more than anything in my life yeah and at that moment

when uh when Joe was uh one Mr.

Muscle Beach 2024 seeing Kyle run out there on stage as he's getting his trophy it was such a beautiful beautiful moment yeah yeah he was he was so happy and if you saw the video like the video is like ah well you will see the video shortly, probably about a year,

a year or so.

I don't know if I mentioned this, but

I might as well have the cat's out the bag now.

So, Generation Iron, the production company, we're about five, maybe six shoots into filming a documentary on Kyle's bodybuilding journey.

So, it's gonna, it's set to be released.

Um, we don't have a release date, but we're in talks with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Apple, and they're they're all expressed interest to get it up there.

So, it's gonna be a little movie star here.

Yeah,

yeah, well, he did his entire life.

He's always said he was a movie star.

So, like, this kid is the real manifester.

100%.

Yeah.

He's always, yeah.

My first meeting Kyle,

um, we walk up to him.

Hey, I'm Joe.

Hi, I'm Bruce Wayne.

I'm famous and I'm a billionaire playboy.

That's his first meeting.

I love this guy.

Oh, so he's like your Robin.

No,

wait,

Bushu longer.

Bushu is father.

You had like um

Robin.

Um

you were Danieline.

And yeah, Sean.

No, no, but that.

Damn, yeah.

So he's the son.

Yeah.

So, yeah, he he's always, you know, like

he's just, you know, the biggest thing about manifesting is the law of assumption.

He already believes it's going to happen.

And he like worked.

And when I showed him that magazine, like, can you believe you worked out with all these guys?

He's like, yeah.

Like, it's just like, it doesn't face him.

Yeah.

No big deal, really.

No big deal.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, even on Friday when he ran into Arnold, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, he's like, he's like, nice talking to you, but I got to go work out.

Hilarious.

Yeah, that was funny.

Hilarious.

Okay, Arl, stop talking.

Now I got to go train.

Yeah.

He's like, oh, yeah.

I have a lot of friends that are very, very big proponents of manifestation and the law of attraction.

I know there's some controversy out there regarding it.

I know that I guess maybe the author.

who wrote,

trying to remember the book specifically.

The Secret?

Yeah, The Secret.

Rhonda ronda brianes or something ronda yeah yeah yeah yeah but um i i'm more into neville goddard okay the the real

the real guy back in the 1990 yeah 1930s 1940s like the true yeah gotcha law of assumption and that and um

about you know keeping the weeds out of the out of your minds and keeping it clean and and um really

feeling and believing in in what you want Right.

Yeah.

I mean, it's so extremely powerful.

Like, we see in just like purely what you believe as a human being changes completely, like, your depiction of reality, like how you, how you act on a daily basis, like how you feel that, how you feel about the life you're living right now.

I mean, that's

all the difference in your, change the story.

Right.

Like, you know, when someone's,

um,

I feel like you and I have, have,

we like connected on something in the past that we were talking about?

And

I really like talking about just men's mental health in general because it's uh it's been

a weird journey for me.

Um, and I just

um,

I just, I guess I just feel like

I don't know.

In a state of depression,

sometimes

nothing really matters.

You kind of just don't want to be around anymore, you know?

But I do believe, like, as a man,

you can get out of that and you can work forward and you can make moves and you can change things.

But sometimes it's just so much harder for some people than others.

And that's down to like a thousand, a million different factors.

And I just,

I just think that there's just so many things that you can focus on.

And, you know, I remember when I was experiencing some things too in the past, I had some,

I had

my ex and another one of my female friends living with me at the time.

I was running during COVID, maybe 2020.

This is after I took orals for the first time.

I was doing some dumb things, but basically, I didn't know what I was doing.

And I was competing natural at like six shows in the NPC.

I was competing at nationals, natural, and I would be getting like 16th plus place where you're not even ranked because obviously I didn't keep being remotely compared to the other guys on stage.

So at one point, my coach was pushing on me to take certain things.

And I was like, I don't want to do steroids.

I don't want to do steroids.

I definitely don't want to inject.

And does that really mess with your mental health as well?

Oh, yeah.

It messed up with it crazy because like, dude, like my value was ingrained in the identity of me getting my pro card.

Like, if I don't get my pro card, I am worthless.

And that's kind of just something that I think was ingrained in my childhood living in like kind of just this very standard Asian culture that I guess you would expect from the past.

You know, it's like all your value is based off of your achievements and what you do as a person.

Yes.

So that was my identity.

That was my value.

I'm like, if I don't achieve this, then I'm nothing.

And it would just continuously happen where I'd just not even get placed to the point where, like,

I don't know.

I guess I entered this like level of desperation.

So,

you know, took some things from him.

He said, these are AIs, like aromatase inhibitors.

I don't know if your doctor ever discussed aromatase inhibitors with you guys.

That's probably good because for some reason, at one point, a lot of people going on, a lot of men going on HRT were recommended to take aromatase inhibitors,

which I think should never really be a discussion unless it's shown that they are extremely

prone to

essentially just like producing estrogen from the amount of testosterone that they're getting, you know, like converting that to estrogen.

And

there are some people that actually get some extreme estrogen levels from the same testosterone that someone that most people take, and their estrogen levels are always within range.

There's a crazy discrepancy that I think people kind of just assume everyone should aromatase around the same level, but it's not true.

But most of the time, people do, and it's like they recommend these aromatase inhibitors for these guys so their estrogen goes within a normal range when really it has a lot of like

it's not really a healthy thing to do.

You know, you shouldn't be taking drugs for women's cancer as a man on a daily basis.

Yeah.

So, but

basically, you know, it put me down a dark hole and then I was basically depressed for a year.

Like my female friends would come to me and be like, you should really work on your mental health.

And, bro, in my mind, I'd just be screaming like,

this isn't just my fucking mental health.

There's something literally wrong with me.

Yeah.

Right.

And I know depression can happen from an assortment of different things.

Like, there's, there's so many different variables that can cause someone to feel depressed, whether or not, I mean, you can diagnose that it's depressed or not i've had this conversation with some people like had this conversation with um

oh i'm brainfiling right now uh hussein um but uh

i think first it's important that people address their hormones

and um

i think that's something that's really cool that you guys did with kyle is you guys went in and like Kyle is obviously so, so focused on his health and his improvement already by himself.

But I think it's really cool that you guys, you know, get your, get his blood work done regularly.

You guys check scans.

Like you got an EKG'd.

Bro, I don't know anyone around our age that has gotten an EKG, you know, which is awesome.

Yeah.

He should have the same benefits that we do.

If we're doing all that for ourselves, I, and we can improve his life, let's do it.

Right.

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If you could tell somebody with,

let's say, depression, depression,

if there's one thing that you could do if somebody was depressed, what would that one thing you would recommend a man?

Let's say Kyle's depressed.

If you're talking to Kyle, what do you think that one thing, you tell him, do one thing.

What would that one thing be to you?

That's a good question.

That's a really hard question to be asked.

Is it different for everyone?

I think it is different for everyone.

Some men are depressed maybe because of their hormones.

Some people are depressed because of their life situation.

Some people are depressed because it's actually something that they just inherited.

I know if, I know,

it's kind of hard to talk because it's like personal things, but I have very close family friends who like, their father committed suicide and it,

for some reason, it just, it kind of, there's, there's times where it runs in the family.

There's a lot of things that run in the family that people have.

Did you figure out what the issue was for you?

Yeah, for me, it was a lot more simple than most other people, which was lucky.

For me, it was like a combination of, one, the things that were going on in in my life right like

you know this this fact where I like I dieted consistently for all these for like two years straight basically trying to do all these competitions while I was natural then I jump on things

so my testosterone tanked yeah right but my testosterone tanked also my body fat was really low I wasn't supporting my hormones naturally and I also like took drugs.

I took oral steroids at one point, not supporting my testosterone.

There was just like an assortment of factors.

I think the first thing that I attacked that really helped me was the hormones.

And you can even say that from a woman's perspective.

It's like, there's so many women out there that like their hormones will fluctuate more than other women based off of where they are in their cycle.

And it will affect the mental health extremely, you know, like, you know, some women have PMDD while some, while others don't.

And you can see in how

it will change your personality and how you will react to certain things that are dealing with.

Even the littlest things, yeah, right.

Yeah.

So, like, imagine that you like live on a daily basis with this mindset of just like manifesting what you want, go out there and get it.

Bro, that only that doesn't just affect your mind, that affects your hormones too.

You know, say that you're natural, that affects everything in your chemistry.

So, I mean, from what I've seen, every person that has run with that mindset of you know, manifesting what I want and going out there and getting it

always does.

Well, and I think that's what helped me in when I brought Kyle home is the idea of a positive attitude and knowing that, you know, that might be the books, but it's, you know, I don't think that's how it's going to go for me.

I think, you know, I'm going to take this a little differently than what the book is telling me.

All you do is

all we like.

I don't care really.

Yeah, act my mother's way.

You like my mother's way?

I like my mother's way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

just

touch base a little bit.

I found

with depression, it was very, it was frustrating a lot because it's like, for me personally, I think I have all these beautiful things in my life.

I have a beautiful wife.

I got a beautiful home.

I've got a great career.

I've got all of these things.

But why do I feel this way inside?

And I couldn't, for years and years, I couldn't understand what was going on.

You know,

I just couldn't, I couldn't figure it out.

Just couldn't.

you know, it's for me, it was frustrating.

And it affects everyone around you.

It's not just you, it's the people that you interact with on a daily basis.

And I see men now and I can see them.

I'm like, oh, man, I know exactly what that guy's going through.

I can feel it.

It's like I feel it from them.

I can feel in my heart what's going on with them.

And I wouldn't wish that on anybody, man.

Anybody.

No.

No, I wouldn't either.

No way.

And it's hard too, bro, because it's so variable.

It changes day to day sometimes.

Like for me, bro, just two, three hours of sleep and a difference.

And I'm a completely different person the next day, which is of course.

Of course.

Yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

And it's like with the anxiety aspect, I think I just had this conversation with our friend David yesterday.

It's like, if you think about,

I'll tell you my experience, it's like the worst case scenario, you think of the worst case scenario in your head.

And I do that every, I don't know,

at least once or twice an hour.

This thing's depending where I'm at, what I'm doing.

And I tell myself, has that ever happened?

What are the chances that happened?

I'm trying to be logical about it, but it doesn't change the in the chest, the pounding in the chest, the sweating of the palms, the shots of adrenaline happen eight, nine, ten times a day sometimes.

And I tell myself, that's likely not going to happen.

I've never been struck by lightning.

I've never won the lottery.

What are the chances of that happening?

Pretty slim, pretty slim to none.

And it helps me get down, but then all of a sudden, a car will come around the corner a little fast.

I'm like, holy fuck, get out of the way.

she's like dude what is wrong with i'm like it's not even close

for me it it's it it's it's a fucking 800 nas cars coming around we're all with get pinned like bowling pins you know from that's it's a threat to me like people people with anxiety and ptsd and stuff they we can't tell the difference from true and false our mind lies so it's everything is a threat yeah where it's like everything's not

an actual threat but my mind and my body doesn't know that and that's what men with and i think it's important for men to understand too it's okay If you're not feeling okay, if you're depressed, you're sad, it's okay to tell somebody.

Yeah.

We're all warriors in our own respect.

Right.

We're human.

We're human beings.

Yeah.

And I think the more that it's talked about, the more you can help each other, because I think,

I mean, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure more men have issues with that than women.

And I think the more that you talk about it and help each other, the better you're going to all kind of feel.

Right.

You know, we talk about inspiration.

Like this man's, I'm just going to end my story with this part: is that when he began bodybuilding, it was at one of my lowest points.

You know, just getting it for me, getting out of bed was a challenge.

Then he asked the bodybuilding.

It's like, well, it's just a feeling.

It's feelings.

It doesn't really matter.

You know, you get, I got, I had an opportunity to get outside of myself.

And the more I concentrated on him, the less time I had to think about myself.

Yeah.

You know, and it was, it was, it was beautiful.

And I think finding that purpose also can help you get out of your head.

Yeah.

When you've got that purpose.

Yeah.

And make no mistake, man.

Like I, Arnold Schwarzenegger said this, and I always, I quote him,

there's, and I believe in him.

There's no such thing as a self-made man.

There's just no such thing as a self-made man.

And I tell you, if it wasn't for the love of my family and the friends that I had, I think the outcome could have been different.

You know, I feel in my heart the worst is behind.

And, you know, who knows what the future holds, but I just, you got to, you can't quit.

Never quit.

Never give up.

You just gotta keep going, never quit, never fucking quit, just keep going.

King always has his queen, his supporters, and his army.

There's always someone behind him.

Yeah.

So, and

I would, just like you said, I would argue that it's almost even stronger and propels you forward more to talk about these things, you know?

Yeah,

yeah.

And I think like

the isolation part was hard for me because I cut everybody off,

except my family, obviously.

But it was just like, we need community.

We need purpose.

We need a purpose.

And the gym is a good community.

The gym is a great community.

I read this book by Viktor Frankl.

It's called The Man's Search for Meaning.

Are you aware of it?

Do you know of it?

So Victor Frankl, he wrote his first manuscript just before he got kidnapped and taken into the concentration camp.

And his manuscript got burned.

So he ended up going through the concentration camp and becoming a psychologist in this concentration camp.

So the Nazis made him be a doctor or psychologist in the concentration camp.

And he rewrote his manuscripts while in the concentration camp.

And I was thinking, like, for him, it's called logotherapy.

And any man or any woman can overcome traumatic events as long as they find meaning and a purpose in that event.

Whatever that meaning and whatever that purpose is,

that's what gets them through it, right?

Yeah.

And it's just like, he's my meaning.

He's my purpose.

She's my meaning, she's my purpose, my family, yeah, you know, yeah.

I appreciate you sharing that, by the way.

Dude, it gives us gives us strength.

And honestly, if me sound here like bombing like a fool helps somebody else feel strong, helps somebody else say, Hey, if that jacked up, good-looking dude can do it, so can I.

He's humble, very humble.

I am.

I use humor as a defense mechanism when I get uncomfortable.

You're the good-looking one.

Yeah.

Actually, I'm sure the

I know Una didn't say shock yet, but

I'm not going to shine.

I'm Bruce Wayne.

He changes his name from Green Ranger to Bruce Wayne.

Kyle wants everyone to know.

Anyone to know.

It's a secret.

Although his name is Green Ranger Kyle, he identifies as Bruce Wayne.

So you have to call him Bruce Wayne in Canada, or you're getting charged with a hate crime.

Yeah,

in Canada, you go against the green, charged with a hate crime.

Well, we want to do, I just want to be competition one day.

He wants to help people in the world, yeah, save the day.

Yeah, that's how we want to do.

I feel like you already are, bro.

Yeah, I got

John

like him.

He was no, he doesn't

have like me.

No, like Bruce Wayne.

Like Bruce Wayne.

I thought I got a compliment.

Charlang looked like Chigong.

Yeah, Chi Gong had

lions, too.

It's true.

He's a tough guy to be around, man.

Oh, yeah.

He's hard on himself.

He's hard on everybody, though.

I know

my mom.

This show

show

Maxi Gorn.

I just want him

the perfect definition of a whipping boy to you, huh?

Yeah, go beard

through a beard.

Yeah, I go building you go beard.

LQ

yeah, so why do you?

This is your young LA crew guy, yeah.

Yeah, tell them what you think about young LA.

How do you like working for young LA?

Yeah,

I will get

you.

Yeah,

Sure, old man.

Um, I see I act we'll get with

my LA crew.

I see I act with my

he loves

young LA.

I really like when I like

free clothes and

anything like that.

Come find um him, my

new friends.

Yeah, and

yeah,

I always hang with him, got old.

But he likes hanging out with the young LA crew and doing yeah,

and you like doing all the modeling for the shoots for the new drops.

Yeah, new drop and yeah, shit like that.

And yeah, if they want to come for a shoot, come below.

If they want to call me Bruce Wayne, comment below.

Oh, man, he's a funny guy, dude.

He's a funny guy.

You never know what you're going to get.

I think think in Bobby Morning,

Marshall.

How do you like the young LA ladies?

No LA quick.

I got a bad guy here

with Bodka.

I like the guy.

Guy.

Yeah, go for it.

Really nice, too.

Yeah, yeah, go for it.

Lexi, Lexi.

Lexi.

Lucky guy.

There you go.

Appreciate you, man.

Yeah.

You can keep them.

I got lucky mom.

I got sugar mommy.

Yeah.

She's a sweetheart.

You can thank her for all of those behind you.

Little stuffies.

Yeah.

Squishies.

Making our days.

Piles of spoons.

Oh, this one looks like you, dude.

Yeah.

Face is round.

Yeah, there you go.

Yeah.

She brought this.

No, I know.

Oh, she did.

I had a dog like that.

And

she'd been.

Cuddle him when he's sleeping.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now we have a dog.

Well, I think this is just the beginning of Kyle's journey.

We've got a lot more to do.

And we're hoping we get a lot more.

See what, like

you met Leigh.

Leahy.

Leahy is

the Down syndrome man, young man that just started with Wiley.

He was at the party, the ginger, the red-headed kid.

You may have seen him, you may not, but you don't look him up.

He started because of Kyle.

Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, so like we're spreading the word.

It's starting to filter out there.

We have some lovely Down syndrome ladies that we collab with, and they're in the fitness space as well.

And it's so amazing to see more and more people

out there.

Actually, I was just talking real quick.

Here's the one now.

Boom, Charles Trump.

But I didn't want my Channel Shrum gone and anything like that.

But

here's the now

I'm going to be gaming and

but yeah, I just

He knows he has Down syndrome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just want

me I just want gone, but

I want to have a lot of fun.

He wants to be, yeah, he wants to have kids and a wife and

all of that.

And the same dreams as everybody else.

And Kyle, you know, like, he's probably the biggest fitness influencer out there with Down syndrome.

And we're just spreading.

Spreading great health and fitness out there.

Yeah.

It's a gift you're giving, bro.

It is.

Man.

And you should never, ever, ever stay.

I know

one shit McDonald's, but no.

I won't share it.

Yeah.

If we should make

my wife,

chemistry together.

Yeah,

I have fun with my

one day.

I had

a kid.

Well, I had a daughter.

You know my dog, Bobby, Lisp Lady.

He's already named her Elizabeth.

His daughter.

Yeah, so what if you have a son?

What will you call him?

I don't know.

My wife.

Wife will decide.

My wife will decide, yeah.

He's a son.

My wife will decide.

You know what?

He probably will have a wife and kids.

Yeah, who knows?

He creates everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a journey.

It's a journey.

Yeah.

out on my

trip.

And

imagine being in his head for a day.

It's pretty awesome.

He's thinking about the bat signal.

And I love it.

We're in June.

He's already talking about what he's getting.

Santa Claus is going to bring him.

Yeah.

I know it's.

And what he's wearing for Halloween.

I mean, it's great.

I'm just excited.

My birthday is coming up soon.

Yeah.

Acting young.

You like being young.

I bet you do.

My birthday's coming up soon.

That gets me excited.

No, I show

my

My birthday is July 12th.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my birthday will be August.

And

new movie coming out.

Chiba Man, July 11th.

It's beauty slight clockwise.

Yeah, and don't get watch it.

Don't forget to watch it.

Kyle has

financial interests in the new Batman movie.

So everybody get up there and watch it.

He's invested his life savings in that thing.

Yeah.

He's a majority shareholder.

Yeah.

But, you know, like this kid is the luckiest kid out there having to work with all the most amazing bodybuilders.

So the bodybuilders that he's worked out with,

every one of them have taken the time.

to work out with him and train him.

So he's learned from the best of the best.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I mean, it's freaking amazing.

Like, you as well, every IFBB pro

has put their little mark on everything that Kyle does and learns.

It's a fact.

So we'll record the sessions.

And what we'll do is we'll go home and watch them.

We'll go home and watch the sessions and we'll get the little keys, the little cues.

He picks up on them beautifully.

Simple elbow positioning on a chest press, you know,

behind front with lat pull down, opening the lats, doing a little shrug at the top.

That's what Ishmael taught him down in Pittsburgh.

So we'll watch it.

And it's just his ability is

his ability to mind to connect that muscle.

He's better than me.

I can't, I can't do it as well as he can.

You know, he listens to it, like when you're working out with it, he'll listen to everything you tell him to do.

He's a sponge.

And he, yeah, and he'll implement it.

So his ability to perform and work out with the weights is all because of every one of those amazing bodybuilders that took the time to show Kyle what to do.

So they should all be very proud.

You should be proud of yourself.

No such thing as a self-made man.

Yeah.

It takes a community, right?

It takes a village.

Yeah.

It's a sign of a king, man.

Someone who listens.

Yeah.

Someone who listens to others.

Well, I mean, I think it's important

as a leader.

I've had a few bosses in my, like, leaders in my policing career, and I've taken a lot from them.

And

one of my mentors told me

the ability of a great leader is to get the people, your junior leaders, those following in your footsteps to follow you, to do what you want them to do without asking them to do what you want them to do.

So what he meant by that was, so when I was a road boss, I would go into a radio caller when it was seen and I would perform at the level I expected of me.

And the men and women behind me, although I was a boss, I would be doing the constable jobs and making sure they saw me doing that job.

It's like, I'm not, I'm not too good to get my feet dirty, my hands dirty.

What makes what, because I have the gold badge and

the stripes on, I don't have to do work?

No.

And I see so many, I've saw so many in that career that as soon as they got that stripe on their shoulder, it's like, all of a sudden, my, my shit doesn't stink anymore.

I don't have to go scrape that body off the girl.

That's your job.

No.

You get out there, you get with the boys.

There's bosses that I would run to the fire with, and there's some that i would slowly walk behind i would still go because they had positional power over me i then i had no choice i was following orders but the great leaders that i worked with i'd be running in front of them to go through the door and i think that's that's it that's that's important it's important as a leader to to understand your people but not only to understand your people it's like

get them get some to do what you want them to do without telling them to do it is how is how you how you go about doing that and it's it's it's situational it's different each person's different each individual is different.

Everybody's different.

Every scenario is different.

Nothing is the same.

That's powerful.

I feel like caring

is

something that doesn't really happen very often.

But it just has somehow been able to bring everybody together in that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In that community where they're like.

They're all, you know, reaching out their hand to be like, here, let me help you up here.

Yeah.

and I think it's important too, Kimberly, we have this mindset, and I feel you do too.

We go in the scenarios with growth mindsets.

So, for example,

with her business, she'll collaborate with her business with everybody on the strip

in social media.

We also do collaborations with people because our thought is the more we work together, the more likely we're all going to be successful.

Now, there's so much money out there, bro.

And you know, the ones that are out there that are owning it for themselves, and they have, there's a finite, they don't last, there's no longevity.

There's so much money in the world.

You don't need it all.

It's just take a little bit, man.

There's enough for everybody to go around.

And when you get up the next step, when I'm up the next step, I think it's my duty.

It's my job as a man to walk behind me, look behind me, put my hand out.

You need to come with me if you want.

Here's my hand.

I got here by doing ABCD NF.

You do that.

And I would ask people, Ronnie Coleman.

Ronnie Coleman is one of my idols.

And I watched, I heard him say it.

I would see the best guys, a successful guy.

I would say, how'd you do that?

20 years ago, I'd be

in the police station.

You're in drugs?

What did you do to get the drugs?

I did this.

I would do it.

I was in drugs.

Are you in homicide?

Would you get the homicide?

Oh, you did this.

I would do it.

How'd you get promoted?

How did you get promoted?

I did this.

If it worked for them, it'll work for me.

And it does.

There's no, there's no, you don't have to go and reinvent the reel.

Just follow the recipe.

I mean,

chocolate cake recipe, you're gonna get chocolate cake.

Kyle, I was wondering if I could.

Um, I know that you're a little bit tired because you had that hard-ass workout, and you know, you slam a ghost and you don't feel anything because you're a freaking tank.

But actually,

I like Google Count, I do.

Actually,

all this year,

hey, but what

now

back day?

I back

down,

but like

karate demos yeah

I was able to show

straight and yeah or I did or I'll be through

like past to future

yeah actually

you work hard actually like um

but

been like a been like 15 years

15 years and yeah

how much I'm saying Now, then, yeah.

He wants to see how much he changes over the years.

Because look how much I've changed in 15 years by doing that.

I was going to say, when I saw you do those lap pulldowns, your shoulders, just how big and round they were.

Like, you know, when you were like, when he got his freaking, yeah, dude, I was like, dude, that's insane, bro.

And now that you told me that he was, he had a test level of 200 nanograms.

I know, isn't that crazy?

That's freaking insane.

It is insane.

You're about to blow up, bro.

Imagine if he's actually within normal range.

Yeah.

But think how hard he's had to work

to get to that

on only like, you know, 100 to 200 tests.

Been like

a long time.

Like the lack of like real energy and the ability to even make muscle with that low is.

It's a mind thing.

He's just that determined.

Yeah.

I really think you can overcome anything.

I think you have a mindset.

I really agree with you.

Yeah.

If you don't mind me asking, Kyle,

what do you

actually

ask?

Go ahead.

What do you feel like is the biggest challenge that you had to face in your life so far?

Actually,

been a long time, but

what's your biggest challenge you've ever faced?

No, it's been a challenge.

You're not telling people you're Bruce Wayne?

Yeah, I tell everybody I'm Bruce Wayne.

No, it's your biggest challenge that you've ever faced.

I ain't face anything.

I just want to be my show, actually.

So basically, he feels like

he's not really had to overcome too many challenges.

He just takes them head on.

Head on.

Yeah, head on.

He's like, challenge?

What challenge?

Bring it.

Bring it.

I swear.

I swear that that's his mentality.

I don't see a challenge.

Challenge.

What are you talking about?

I mean, challenge.

Yeah.

I can't challenge on Bethro.

Betro, I can call my name and I don't like.

But, Bethro,

I'm on

Baka.

You can catch anyone dude.

I could just call you.

And Bill Computer, everything you want.

I don't care.

I'm going to beat you.

Yeah, I win.

Pedro is the young man he came second to at Muscle Beach.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

And show.

Well,

say, um, him.

Well,

challenge accepted.

What

best up look like on now?

Yeah, what does Pedro look like right now?

Probably a chest smaller than yours.

You want to say, show, sure, sure.

Shit now.

But I don't want to say anything.

I want to say I love you.

Actually, I love you.

Actually, um, very sure.

Well,

um, I want to say that back there, um, very sure I can call me out

and I didn't like it at all.

I know that I was all the and and all this

I was gonna

bar both

now.

And now she'll go

see you for me.

Yeah.

And I shall work out my mom.

I'm a seven.

And I will go

what we want to do.

Um,

down shall go and anything like that.

I don't want it.

And

I ain't back out with my buddy right now.

And yeah,

but um, anything.

Would you suggest that perhaps Down syndrome has been the biggest challenge you faced?

I think it is.

I think we can show that all we want to do is

think I shall call and

I shall document.

So that's definitely a challenge every day for us is the fact that he

understands he has Down syndrome and he doesn't like being different.

Yeah,

he'll

say things.

I know I showed that.

He'll say things to us

I'm going to go to bed tonight and pray to God that he takes Down syndrome away.

Or he'll say, Mom, mom, I got to go to the hospital.

Why?

I had to have an operation.

Doctor's going to take Down syndrome out now.

You know, it's hard for him.

He struggles with that.

It's hard.

Yeah, that way.

Good.

That way, my

operation, I got Downstorm.

Good.

I don't want to get my issue.

Like like a kid and my issue for my mom.

That way, no book.

He says, I want Down syndrome gone.

That way it's much easier for my mom.

And I won't be like the people in the book.

But you're not.

Yeah.

All we want to do, make my money happy.

I am happy.

I'm very happy.

Yeah.

I just wanted to tell you I'm anchoring.

You know what?

You're perfect just the way you are.

I don't know about that.

That face makes it work.

Your face doesn't work.

What are we talking about?

I said, you're not perfect.

Your face needs a bit of work.

You ugly.

Yeah, are you fake?

No, no.

Eckley.

Here you go.

I got belly on belly.

It's a challenge every day, but it's one that

he works through in his own mind.

It's heavy on him a lot of times.

Yeah.

I did.

Not easy for him.

But you know what?

It's the purpose every day, though.

He strives towards being better and better.

And

he has

that's definitely his biggest challenge for sure.

But he has so many aspirations like the rest of us do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can't.

I

am high full.

And

hold my stomach.

And

that

doctor oh no check my stomach

and hole not a hole in his stomach yeah so with Down syndrome oftentimes like it comes with some perks like

esophagus problems or heart issues or

a hearing because their ears are smaller hearing difficulties and they definitely have a lot more challenges than the average

average person so uh he has some esophagus issues sometimes

Bobby, Bobby,

Bob, the Bob.

It's not the Bob.

The ligaments and tenons in his joints are a little more elasticized as well.

So

we had no idea what he was doing when he was seven, eight years old, lifting the little baby weights with Kimberly.

What he's able to do is strengthen up the ligaments and tendons and build some good structural tolerance.

So they typically have very laxed ligaments, people with Down syndrome, and they're very bendy, flexy.

And

the amazing part was, you know, how they used to say, oh, you should never lift weights when you're under a certain age or whatever.

And that's true.

That's turned to be such a myth.

It's actually not wrong.

And what he was doing was actually strengthening them at a young age.

So he was almost doing occupational therapy on himself.

And he was able to build those and strengthen those ligaments at a young age so that he can work out really well now.

I know people are going to take flat with the comment, but

the dude's got good genetics, man.

Like, he's symmetrical.

He's, his, his calves and his biceps are pretty much the same size, which is almost unheard of, you know?

But he's got good symmetry.

His genetics looks good.

He's got a good build, but his back is amazing.

Yeah.

But he's got a crazy back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, dude.

You put in some freaking work.

Brother's shoulder sharations just came off.

I know.

I know.

Just need to adjust himself.

Ronnie says to him the other day, he says, Dude, you look like you just came off stage.

He always looks like he's just come off stage.

Who was it?

Somebody, somebody crazy five hours of cardio.

I think we're at the YLA gym or something.

I can't even remember where it was.

And somebody had said,

Man, you guys got him shredded for LA, huh?

No, this is how he walks around every day.

This is his everyday walk around.

He's lean and jacked.

We're going to find out just how much fat's on that body tomorrow.

I know fat, actually.

Probably not.

No, probably not.

I have enough for both of us, but

I think he came in around 11% the last time.

11 and change or something.

Yeah, yeah.

I can go.

Shit, I go 10 and 11.

Yeah, under 11.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shit,

change and show.

I wanted to say something you reminded me of.

You know, I don't know if I've talked about this very much or at all, to be honest, but when I was a kid, I actually

wished that I wasn't born Asian in a weird way.

Just not being around any other asians or yeah you know also being bold for being fat also the same feeling he has because he's not around people with down syndrome right so you feel like you're isolated right yeah

isolated and i mean there's there's a culmination of factors that add on top of that just like not being allowed to the house because i'm being forced to study at all the time so yeah there's not really any peers or anyone else i can go to and then obviously if you have for example your own parents or your figures that take care of you that also maybe look down upon you because you're not achieving the things that they want or or because you're not making it to a certain standard or something.

It's just kind of difficult when there's no one to go to at all, I guess.

So I guess I just want to say that like,

I don't know, through my life, I think I've been very blessed to encounter people in situations that have made me feel like it isn't the end.

Yeah.

Like there are other people out there that that maybe appreciate my existence or support me or

are actually like me that's something i found through social media specifically is that i found so many more people that were really amazing yeah and and hopefully that's what he's doing as well finding it's like even regardless whether or not you know whether whether the down syndrome goes away or doesn't as you wish man i really think that like you truly are a gift and your existence and what you do is a massive motivation and inspiration for everybody dude everybody no matter who you are.

Like, I couldn't, I couldn't really express just how much I, I feel like in a weird way, I really relate to that myself.

Yeah.

And thank you for sharing that because I, I really, I feel like he can

really identify with that.

And it makes a lot of sense how you felt.

And now I'm starting to understand more how he's feeling when you explain it that way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's um isolation.

It's not a good feeling, feeling like the world isn't fair, you know, especially not for you.

Yeah.

But,

man,

people really do underestimate just

what you can achieve and do by

just growing yourself every day.

You know, just like becoming better as yourself.

Like, fuck everyone else.

Fuck whatever they are, whatever they were born into, or whatever.

Just become the best that you can possibly be, man.

And dude, you can do so many amazing things like Kyle.

You can like inspire and help so many different people.

Isn't it incredible?

Yeah.

When you put your mind to it, what you can really achieve, what you believe you can achieve.

And I really feel like he's very much of that mindset that he doesn't understand that there's

he's like, there's no bar.

Like, of course, I'm going to do it, right?

Of course, I'm going to do it.

I was about that Nick Walker mindset.

I can't shot you.

I think you might like Nick Walker a little bit.

Why so?

Um, why almost she's shocking because she's so fat.

I said, I think you might like Nick Walker just a little bit.

Actually, I like Nick Walker a lot, guys.

He's a really nice guy.

He's a really nice guy.

He was the first guy

he was on stage with, like, guest posing when 2023.

Yeah, I know it.

Actually, it is 2023.

That's so sick.

I act here for Nick Walker, probably

2023.

Yeah.

And he asked me for that.

Yeah,

Actually, I got like a

po with him.

Posing with him.

Yeah, they did a pose down together.

Yeah, it was pretty, pretty epic.

How big is bro, though?

Seriously.

Oh, he's big.

Bro, he's huge, right?

Dude is like my height, man.

He's like 100 pounds mass.

I don't think you get any bigger.

Well, like,

I saw like some of these bodybuilders in person, and they all look look massive.

And then Nick Walker walks in.

Yeah, and then you're like,

what the?

What is that?

It's a beast.

How is that possible?

What the fuck?

Is that real?

Like, is it?

Are you real?

Like, how is that possible?

He's just

enormous.

He's the biggest.

Oh, he's just massive.

Yeah.

Massive.

I personally like the old school bodybuilders, you know,

with the small waist, you know, that whole symmetry.

That's, I think, that's definitely more like, yeah.

Yeah, I got it.

He's Nick has definitely shown some insane improvements, though, this last show, this last couple of showings, too.

It's just like, even honestly, in my opinion, and I think many others beating Derek Linsford at the back, it is a double, back, does double bicep.

Like, you can just see from his proportion as his waist comes in.

I don't know.

It's freaking nuts.

So, I mean, he's generally

it.

It's huge.

Sorry, Nick, don't eat me.

Sorry, Nick, don't eat me if you hear this.

And no, Kyle's going to beat him with a bigger chest.

Just need to pump up the chest a bit.

It's from when he had open heart surgery.

They cut, they sliced right down his chest, right?

Yeah.

So one side's a little underdeveloped than the other because of the

operation.

You can just get some implants.

Yeah,

you

barely

do that too.

Yeah.

I always thought about like if I got implants, maybe I would be like a cyborg.

I was a fan of cyborg from teen titans all the time.

I'm trying to let my wife get permission from my wife to let me get calm implants, but she's not going for it.

Not going for it.

I'm not going for it.

Actually,

do it.

Okay.

Just do it.

Yeah.

Are you guys done to jump to the QA?

I got a couple questions.

Yeah.

I also had one last thing that I was hoping to ask, but to both of you,

if you don't feel comfortable answering this,

also, you know, you don't have to or whatever.

But I was wondering, what do you guys feel like

in

life had made you the most anxious?

Because throughout this entire having children made me more anxious.

Having children makes you anxious.

For me,

I'm not really an anxious person.

I really believe in not worrying about something unless it's already happened.

I'm not somebody who thinks of the worst case scenario at all.

I don't go there.

I typically think everything's going to turn out all right.

That's awesome.

So I'm very much,

I don't put myself in mentally in a situation that I don't need to be for any reason other than, oh, it's possible to happen.

I just never put myself in.

I'm always very much a everything will work out.

I'm very much a, the universe has got my back.

I mean, I mean, it could be a lot of woo-woo, but whatever.

It works for me.

No, I get it.

It works for me that I think that everything happens for a reason.

And it's not my job to control what happens in, in every respect of my life, but to roll with it and know that everything's going to turn out really good.

It's the power of believing in something great.

It is.

And I think

that's exactly how I felt when I had Kyle is.

And I know this is going to sound weird, but I actually did read the book, The Secret, when he was born.

And it really, it set my mind straight whether

anybody believes in the secret or not.

But I really, it changed my ideas on life and understanding that

life is whatever I create it.

I create the story and things do happen for a reason.

And I do, like even things that I'm not happy about, like.

I didn't get that job or I didn't get like this location I wanted for my business or,

you know, like my child needed open heart surgery and all these different things.

But I trust that everything's going to turn out okay.

And things, and then I look back and I go, oh, that did happen for a good reason.

I'm glad that never happened or whatever.

And I trust that my life will unfold exactly the way I want it.

I think for me, my man is like interesting.

Yeah,

we're very different.

I love that perspective because

I aim to feel feel that way.

I aim to think that way.

It's my goal.

For me, what makes me, what's in my life has made me the most anxious, I think, is being exposed to violence and lots of it.

So in my career, we would start at the absolute worst case scenario.

And 80 to 85% of the time in the...

the areas I worked were high risk, low reward, 80 to 85% of the time, the worst case scenario has happened.

It's already there.

So, for me, when I'm walking around now, I'm always okay.

The worst thing's about to happen, yeah, and it's the worst going to happen.

And then, as I spoke earlier, I go to that logical brain.

What are the chances of that happening?

You know, like for me, what makes me anxious is just being out in public makes me anxious, being around people makes me anxious.

Being around cars, it's just I get wound up, and I have to bring my, it's, it's, it's fucking exhausting in here sometimes, just bringing myself down.

Okay, that's that's not it.

But I've been conditioned to be, to be anxious throughout my 25 26 years i think the way you grew up as well i mean when like joe grew up in a family of violence and like from the day he was born and i think it starts from there like growing up yeah yeah like i mean everyone has a history every has a past but okay but i mean i remember being out on the baseball field at 11 or 12 years old one day and mom showing up saying we got to go to the shelter now dad's trying to kill us we're gonna have to leave now

and being out and being like a young kid you know and being in this shelter, this transition house, hidden in the city, thinking, and I was such a badass kid, man.

I'm like, I don't give a shit if he's going to kill me.

I'm not staying here.

I'm leaving.

With or without you guys, I'm out.

And I wouldn't stay there.

I'm like, no, I'm going back to my house.

You want to kill me?

Go for it.

But I'm not, I'm not living.

I'm not running anymore.

You know?

Yeah.

But

yeah.

And, you know, like, I think that sets this mindset of anxiety all the time for you.

For sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, you know, and the thing with, with, with, with PTSD, it's the whole, we've come to learn the whole structure of the brain changes.

You know what I mean?

The whole brain chemistry is changed.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And, and it'll never go back the way it was, but it'll be

each, every, the more time and distance I get between me and policing, the calmer, every, I'm feeling calmer and more relaxed, calmer.

I probably walk around.

I used to walk around out of 10.

I'd say I'm summer on eight now, which is a bonus.

Yeah.

yeah it's a lot better um it does require a lot of work um uh mine is from a completely different perspective but like my partner now alexi for example has a very beautiful family that takes care of her loves her has always been there for her now like when she's far away she hates it she like fries about being home all these things me on the other hand like i haven't seen uh i just saw my fan like my extended family and everything went in the philippines for the first time in 10 years like this last christmas And I normally don't see my parents for about like maybe for two years at a time.

It's a very different lifestyle.

Very different dynamic.

Right.

It's like I've been just

my entire life for the last two or three hours.

Yeah.

Like you feel like you're my entire life I have been alone.

I left totally.

I can relate to that 100%.

Yeah,

but I guess I've just learned that like, man,

these things that like we, I think, want to grow out of require so much work, but it also requires like.

maybe being in the environment where one we're allowed to experience something new and then two

we allow ourselves to which is the scariest part, I think, go back into those deep, dark depths.

And

almost in a way, like, if there's someone that we can talk to, or like for me, I've been going to a therapist recently about,

well, I'm going, I'm going to, I'm actually at 7 p.m.

So in a couple of hours, we were a few hours upset, bro.

But

being able to, I guess,

like, recount these experiences I have with someone who can help me, I think, feel differently about them in a weird way.

Like, maybe I have just this

non-stop sympathetic drive that just drives catecholamines to make me feel like I'm always, like, I always have to be defensive.

I always have to be on edge, like, I always have to, whatever.

But, like, being in this place where, like, I can feel compassion for the things that I've experienced.

Like, I can realize, like, maybe they mean something different, or like, maybe it was something hard that I was experiencing.

And I haven't ever done psychotherapy yet, but like, I'm so excited that I exist.

And I feel like that would be really powerful for me too.

So much.

I don't miss every Thursday.

I never miss for years.

I never miss therapy ever.

So, I mean, I just,

I just, I just like to talk about that because I think it's just like, I don't even think I would be here without all of this, you know?

So do you ever think like for me, like one of the things for me that I struggle with is giving myself permission to be okay.

Like there's something inside of me.

It just won't.

I'm like, why won't this thing?

I say to, I ask the doc, doc, why won't this thing just leave me the fuck alone?

Like, just, I know, logically, when I'm in my own home, I feel comfortable.

I feel okay.

I walk out in the front step, it changes instantly.

I'm walking around, I can't sit still.

We go to restaurants.

She's like, dude, can you just fucking sit still?

It's challenging to be on the other side.

Of course, it's hard on you.

It's so hard.

On the other side as well, because like for

the other spouse or whatever, because you don't understand

what's going on in their head.

Because I'm very like,

almost the opposite.

Like, what would happen?

It's like,

she'll tell you, there's some nights, man, I just don't sleep.

I just, I look under my bed to make sure there's no one there.

I look in the closet and I get up

three, four in the morning, I'm up, walk, I get up, I walk around just to make sure every, like it's, it's, it's, it's chaotic in my head.

And I think what, what, for me, what's happening is my body's addicted to that, to that cortisol, that adrenaline dump.

And my brain and body can't differentiate the true from the false.

My mind lies to me and it tells me that I'm in danger all the time.

So my body can feel that rush that, and I'm just, I don't want it anymore, but I don't know how to make it stop.

But it's hard to turn off.

I can't.

I do 15 years living with this shit and I can't make it stop.

I mean, God, there's so much work that you have to put in, but the fact that you're putting in the work at all is already going to make the difference.

And I'm sure you've seen that.

What's the other option?

There isn't really many options, but sometimes even like going down to like a hormonal level and like trying to figure out all the potential ways that you can help increase your serotonin, especially when it's needed like at nighttime and help it go to sleep.

Like I was talking, talking to Dr.

Dean and like he recommended me like a vitamin, vitamin B5 and B6 to help convert serotonin to melatonin, taking either 5-HTP or L-tryptophan.

I do a lot of L-tryptophan regularly.

I've also like, even though melatonin wasn't great, I have decided to just start experimenting with it.

And I've been taking melatonin at increasing titrating doses

as needed.

And I'm at the point where now I'm adopting to it and I don't feel like I have nightmares when I'm on it,

which is cool.

And

all these different things that I think I've been adopting into my lifestyle, which, you know, some people don't have to do, but unfortunately, people like us do,

have been

immensely beneficial.

And then also attacking the mental perspective where like we're going to therapy and we're addressing these things and these actual thoughts itself, I think are probably the foundation for all of that.

We'll really help.

And I don't know if you can agree or not, but I feel in us talking about it, it gives me more power.

It's given me some connectivity.

Because somewhere along the way, I lost the ability to have empathy for people.

You know, it's like, I don't feel that connective to people.

It's just, people just look like things to me.

Like, it's a tripod.

No, that's a fucking human being there, Joe.

That's not a tripod.

That's a man.

That's a woman.

You get to feel some compassion, some empathy, you know.

But

I don't feel that way now.

Now, I obviously have a little more empathy than I used to, but in the policing field, you weren't allowed to, I couldn't feel empathy.

You were allowed to do it.

I had to go.

I had to do the job.

You know what I mean?

You have to detach.

You have to.

You can't, you know, there'd be times where I'd go to a scene and after I'd leave, I would just roll around the block of my car and just ball my eyes out.

It was just absolutely just excruciating.

You know what I mean?

And

it's been hard on her.

It's hard on the family.

And, you know,

it is what it is, man.

It's just the way it goes.

It's you either do the work or don't.

Work, don't.

There's your options.

Do it or don't.

It doesn't matter how the fuck you feel.

Just do it.

If you don't, don't.

It's not going to, it's not going to get better on its own.

Nope.

And it's hard to face demons.

It's hard to look at yourself in the mirror and face those demons.

It's not easy.

Some of us

have

found the strength and the courage to do it, and others just didn't know how to shut off the pain.

So it's suicide.

You know?

Yeah.

All right.

I know Kyle's getting a little tired, so let's get him a little bit of rest here.

But a couple questions from the QA if you're down.

Some of the audience is curious about a few things.

Are we live right now?

Are we live with this?

No, no, no.

I asked.

Oh, God.

I was like, damn.

It's from that little story that you saw before.

I would have done my hair a little differently.

I see.

I actually say.

He he didn't ask you about karate.

A couple questions.

Yeah, go for it.

Go for it.

All right.

Cole J.

Smith asks, what's your favorite cheat meal?

Well, what's your favorite cheat meal?

Oh, my favorite sheet meal.

I gotta say Bobby

Booku.

I love booklet a lot.

I do.

I oh hot goofy or out.

Gluten-free bun or without a gluten-free bun?

No,

no, bad.

I like hot bread like um

week or one day, once a week, yeah, once a week a week, and he wants that jawline, yeah.

That

I'm my father,

and I you cover

a cheat meal, no, I like um book

the patty, just the patties, no buttons, yeah, no buttons.

That's his cheat mail,

yeah,

and yeah,

I would show I had

goofy bun.

But yeah, I break that much.

But that good thing.

And french fries.

No, no, no, French fries.

Okay, no French fries.

You're on it.

He's hardcore.

Something like me when I was in college, bro.

I would just go to Five Guys and just get the

patty.

Yeah, just the patties.

Yeah.

Like the what is it called with the lettuce rat?

No fries.

No pop.

No nothing.

Damn.

I didn't drink pop anymore.

Doesn't drink it.

I drank pop back day.

Not anymore.

Yeah, we know.

You told us.

No, I actually found out.

Um,

I hold my stomach and act that way.

I shop that and like

go.

Yeah.

And what's the next question?

I should.

I should quite bother.

No, that's not the question.

Go ahead.

Official

official Lila Rosario asks,

What initially motivated Kyle to choose this fitness lifestyle and to continue to pursue it?

Because you started lifting when you were seven, right?

So I guess what was his favorite?

Bobby going well.

I can say

what motivated you to work out to do fitness.

I can say Bobby Biodo.

The bodybuilders motivated.

Bobby, Nick Backel, and

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Like Coleman, and

Brank Bumpstead and Chris Bumstead, yeah.

Yeah.

They're the ones who got you inside.

My buddy.

He won.

Chris Bumstead, yeah.

And yeah,

my kid, you know, for them.

And

yeah.

I think I'm going to do the same thing.

My girlfriend.

That motivated him.

These bodybuilders.

Yeah.

See the motivation you have for people here, right?

You could be inspiring people.

Yeah.

I'm sure you are millions of people.

Spell me

the fly.

And they're all

spell me.

What called?

And shout out with

actually.

I actually

way more

jacked.

I

can say this actually.

I work way hard more ham.

And I bought a lot of cow more ham.

I asked you.

What's the next question?

Next question.

Next question.

Oh, just a thought, by the way.

I don't understand what it is, but I swear to God, Canada just breeds excellence.

I feel like it just does.

There's so many crazy people.

Dude, so many people.

You guys, Chris Blumstead, freaking Justin Bieber.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah.

The Biebs lives here in LA.

Yeah, and sometimes back home.

Yeah, but yeah, have fun.

Love the Beebs.

Some people are saying, why is Kyle so goaded?

It's so what?

So goaded.

Goaded.

I don't know.

What?

Goaded.

He's so good.

Greatest of all time.

I know.

We get that a lot.

Awesome.

It's awesome.

I know.

I saw a couple of people that they wrote.

it's so nice of Arnold to uh

or sorry, it's so nice of Kyle to take the time to speak to Arnold.

Yeah,

like

the privilege that this guy has.

Yeah,

I was

laughing so hard.

I want you to shoot you,

okay?

Back day, Bob, I gotta shave Bobby 223, yeah,

and

I fortunately shave me.

Um, I drunk, drunk.

And I said,

How strong your hand is.

And

he said,

I drinking.

And my mom

laughed like, ball off.

I laughed her butt.

He was at Gold's gym and Arnold Swarzen when they shook hands.

He says, Kyle, relax, you're too strong.

And that's my drinking hand.

Yeah.

Yeah, I got that.

I asked him, like, um, you said that, not me.

I actually

back look out and I fucking uh spawn me

and yeah like that

shake

walk you should I'm strong you walk away and say

like um

ow that's my drinking hand be careful yeah

as he shook hands yeah

I got we got back at

let me show you that.

I'll show you that.

Oh, gosh.

What's the next question?

Well, I ask this question at the end of every podcast

to every guest.

And I'm sure the answers could be a little bit different for all three of you guys, but

if you were to leave the earth tomorrow, wherever you go, and you had one message you could send to the entire world today, what would the message be?

Wow, that's a really thought-provoking

really beautiful.

If you were to leave the earth today,

today was your last day, what do you want everybody to remember you by?

No, that seemed like that right here.

No, no, what do you think?

Like, what do you want people to remember you by?

Or what would you want to say to the entire world?

Or what would you want to say to what message would you want to give to the world?

I could say, Bobby,

I don't know.

I could say, Bobby, it's a good question.

I'm going to say, oh, well, I can say, Bobby, you hold.

Work hard.

Train hard, work hard, and never give up.

I know exactly what you're going to say.

I know I should say that, but

we'll call you guys.

Go ahead.

All you need to do is

you want to be sane,

go straight ahead, do it.

You want to be changed, go straight ahead and do it.

You want to work hard, work hard, never give up.

Yeah, and I said my mom, I love my mom.

Mom,

I

never

give up.

My mom got a lot of her.

I'm never gonna give up on my mom because I love her.

Yeah, thanks, sweetie.

And I do the same thing on my fish go for one day and goon show.

I think for me,

the biggest message is that you are the creator of your story and really

understand that, like, for me, it's all about your mindset and what you think about, you bring about.

And I really, truly believe that.

It's really important that we,

look at what this guy's done with his mindset.

I mean, I see it over and over again in my life.

And I think it's really important to know that, that we are the story that we create.

That's powerful.

I love that.

I think for me, it would be

to perhaps maybe not chase happiness,

but to look for internal peace.

Happiness is a feeling.

It fades.

Peace is a state of mind.

And that's, I'm not, I gave up chasing happiness a long time ago.

Everything.

I'm working on internal peace.

I feel like I couldn't be more true.

Priceless, isn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

A peace in your mind.

And yeah, I agree.

I think it's priceless.

It's priceless.

It is.

It is.

I mean, I think if someone's peaceful inside, and

I think happiness comes and goes.

All right.

You know, you get a new car, you're happy a week later, a month later.

It's like, okay, I love the car, but that feeling is gone.

Right.

Things make you angry.

Things things make you happy, things make you sad.

But if you're peaceful inside, I think a person's more equipped to deal with the emotions, positive and negative, that come their way throughout their daily lives.

Yeah, and maybe to respond, not react.

Yeah,

so powerful.

Practice what I preach, bitch.

Yeah, you, me, me, me, practice what I preach.

That wasn't calling my wife a bitch on no reason.

I did.

I want to be clear.

I wasn't talking to her with myself.

I just looked at her.

I want to be clear.

No, Shane.

I always say that.

You won Mr.

Muscle Beach.

Yeah, you know, my speech anymore, old man.

Oh, I know, sure.

Tell September.

No,

I don't think I know.

I shall show.

I

said to him, I can say,

don't do my speech anymore.

You're done.

You're done.

You don't need to compete anymore.

He doesn't want him to win again.

No, you know,

because he holds it over up all the time.

He's like, No, Mr.

Marshall.

I actually.

It's a constant battle between those two.

I know you can't hear any of my trophies in the ear.

What'd you say?

Yeah, I know.

I actually say that, but you do say that.

No, I don't.

Dude, I'm sitting over here because God's going to strike you with lightning for lying.

Show it match that.

I want like um

be a monk uh

be like

like

Bobby be like

like a

full

fourth he's gonna be fourth.

No, I'm gonna shake like um

no show like who like a full day

show

you know shake now that he fit me.

Yeah, I like that way and

I would try to translate that, but I haven't got any questions.

Yeah, I don't know.

I get lost.

I'm pretty good at speaking Kyle's language, but not right now.

Kylie's just whipped my ass.

No hearing aids in.

Any other questions?

No, I think that was it.

No, that was a really good question.

Yeah, I think

it's a good question.

And that is so good.

I have one question.

I want guys too.

Why am I better looking than you?

I go say Bobby.

How many heal and

me, and I got

parent.

He said, Thanks for having me here.

And

I would say,

One day, I go for one day.

I have a back girlfriend.

Yeah, he said,

I think, what did it say to him?

Thanks for having me here.

Thanks for having me here.

I appreciate it.

I got the best parents, and one day I'm going to have the best girlfriend.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I too want to go.

Mike dropped.

So, yeah, thank you so much for having us.

We really appreciate it.

Where can everybody find you guys?

Oh, oh, Canada, Toronto, at Green Ranger Kyle.

Yeah, Green Ranger.

YouTube, Green Ranger.

YouTube, Green Ranger Kyle.

Green Ranger Kyle, Kyle Landy.

Facebook, it's Kyle Landy.

TikTok, it's at Green Ranger Kyle.

YouTube is at Green Ranger Kyle.

Instagram is at Green Ranger Kyle.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You got

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conclusion car over shake.