Primo/Mast, Doses, GLP-1, & Anxiety - Eric Janicki & Markus Hunter

Eric Janeke, an open bodybuilder known for his science-based protocols and his humorous sus content, and Marcus Hunter, known as Marcus Fitt, a highly accomplished IFBB pro in men's physique, well known for his transparency and discussion on PEDUs.

Before starting this podcast, I just wanted to say that ideating steroids for a full show is not widely accepted because it discounts the real work which is the backbone of this sport, and unfortunately spreads that an unsafe chemical solution is all all you need for results.

Both of these are antithetical to society's understanding of the sport, and while there will always be some that claim that PEDs are all you need, I would like to deliver an honest message of what is required for achieving top performance, as well as the dangers associated with this route.

I received this comment from a user named Night Scarens.

But just as a rock climber, The athletes undergoing this path in the sport are willing to put their life on the line for their passion.

Just the danger between the two sports is different.

Luckily, we do do have safety nets in the sport, such as organ imaging and regular blood work.

But that doesn't change the high risk one must accept in taking on this competitive lifestyle.

Wait, wait.

Can you do the intro?

Like he does his intro for his YouTube?

What's up, guys?

Eric Janeke here.

We're here to do the blood and guts workout with Niall Nagai.

I just thought everyone should know that Eric actually just said that

I'm one of the people that I've trained the hardest that he's ever trained with.

I just thought this was important information for everybody to know.

He does train very hard.

He's a little, he's like almost as much of a psycho as me, but

not quite.

I mean, I figure you're actually right up there

in terms of just like being able to flip that switch.

My switch is just always on once I step in the gym.

You don't want to see me angry.

You don't want to see me angry.

That's right.

Yeah.

What is going on?

Transparent podcast family.

It's got to get the energy up in here.

It's going to be way more awkward out.

Yeah.

It's got way more awkward.

That was a goal.

All right.

Honestly, though,

in Eric's defense of being a scienced basslifter, which is obviously for pussies.

1,000%.

Eric is actually 100%

probably the hardest trainer that I've ever trained with.

For sure.

Thank you, bro.

He does train really hard.

The fucking time under tension on your eccentrics, on leg press, and all your squat movements are fucking sadistic.

Especially that vertical press.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was pretty good.

I will say, I've seen you on, I think a lot of people too have seen you online in the workouts you do, and they look a little ridiculous because they do look a little ridiculous.

But I will say, I had my doubts.

But after trying them with you in there, when you came over cracked this, they were pretty,

they were good.

They were really good.

I was surprised.

I was pleasantly surprised.

Yeah.

So well done.

I mean, I appreciate that.

I think that's, I wish that I had that experience more frequently with like people in the gym.

I'll just wait for now to be done.

I'll just reset.

Yeah, no, like that's that's really cool to hear.

And I think I have that experience a lot with the people that actually take the time to slow down and do it with me.

Obviously, I can't do it with everybody, but anybody that you'll

speak with that actually has taken the time to like top-level pros, Carlos de Olivera, most recently.

You know, I trained with Derek Lunsford, and the overwhelming feedback is like, wow, like this is actually really, really good stuff.

But when it's when you see it online, it just doesn't translate as well just because I'm not there like queuing you, and it just looks performative.

And it looks like I'm just trying to go to like, like, people will be like, oh, it's basically yoga at this point.

I'm like, I get

it.

It's funny.

Like, I don't, I don't, I, I'm very like, it's, it's hard for me.

I don't get, I don't get offended at all.

Like, I actually, I, I just find it to be like good Discord if it is productive.

But the only thing is, like, it would be tough for me to know that like those type of comments might hinder somebody from at least trying it and seeing how they like it.

Uh, and I always tell people, like, find a middle ground.

It doesn't have to be training exactly like me, but if you add, let's say, a three to four second eccentric for form corrective purposes to get a little bit more range of motion, to have your body feel a little better to reduce that shearing force, then that would be great.

You don't need to be doing like a six-second eccentric on the leg press like me with a two-second pause to like completely

obviously decelerate the weight to then load it through the quads and glutes.

But if you can find a middle ground that you're still enjoying your training, because I'm going to be honest, I have this weird mental thing.

I can just push myself to insane limits.

And I don't think that's for everybody.

So I don't think you'd probably like to train like me every single day.

But you know, I appreciate the kind words, man.

It's definitely the smallest we can make the biggest difference.

And it's hard, like you said, because you can't, you're not there to show people exactly how to do it.

And if they're not doing it correctly, they're not going to get the benefit of what you're doing.

Like, you, it took how many tries with me and Niles to get it down, what you were trying to show us.

But once we got it, it made the biggest difference and we feel a lot more.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

I think I felt my ball sex split in half.

Yeah.

It looked like it.

The way the sounds you're making.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did it actually.

By the way, I thought this was cool, but

I think this is a little cool do chat that we have.

It's a dude chat, not because it's a, it's like the sheen version of a bro chat.

I was going to say it's better than a bro chat.

Fighting words.

Fighting words.

But we got an open competitor, a classic competitor, an immense physique competitor.

So we got three different perspectives, which is pretty dope.

What do you think about people saying,

I know this is kind of just

background, but what do you think about people saying about Nick Walker not getting any size or mass on the new training program with Jared?

It's absurd.

It's like to say he's not is

just, it's, you look at his physique.

I think, I think he's probably put on, and we'll see at the upcoming pit in New York Pro, but I would say.

Like, this dude has no ceiling.

I'm like, where is it going to end?

Like, how much tissue can you put on that frame?

For him to weigh essentially like 280 pounds, like pretty lean at that height.

It's like,

yeah, I don't think you can like wrap your head around it how like absurd that is.

So I think that like you can't say it's one-to-one correlated, but I think he'll say that, you know, his body feels better training in, you know, longer ranges of motion, but he still trains hard.

I just think that it's one of those things people, there's so much, it's so much division right now.

It's like either you're in science-based and you don't train hard or you're like

clang and bang and you actually fucking push yourself and you can easily push yourself.

It just looks like you're not pushing yourself as hard because everything's more controlled.

So I think it's more of a perception thing than a reality thing.

I feel like people don't really hear the people that are in the middle that say like you could do both, you know?

It's like it's like you only hear red and you only hear blue.

There it is.

Yeah.

But it's like for what's going on.

It's because nuance is boring, man.

Because everybody wants to hear, it's either like

this way or that way.

If it's like, oh, but then there's this, you know other thing you have to consider it's like oh you already somebody's already swiping off because it's not divisive enough it's not getting shared it's not getting comments because if you're taking a middle ground then that's people on both sides like all right yeah i see what he's saying like okay it's like i can kind of agree with this the only way to piss people off when you're like oh if you're not you know if you're training any more than six reps you're like wasting everybody's time and your own like then it's like what like what what the hell do you mean if you do more than six reps like i do more six so then that's when it creates the discord.

So you need to draw a line in the sand in order to get engagement.

And that's just the unfortunate reality of today's,

you know, social media landscape.

We have so little time to capture people's attention.

Nick also looked fucking like in one of his most recent pictures, like his waist almost looked smaller.

It's kind of crazy.

I'm really excited.

Like, we just, he just had his, what, like his hands on his hips?

Yeah, he was good at Goon Lighting.

Cause everybody, because he's, he's one of those, he's one of those guys that

goon lighting is a thing, bro.

Most people, most people like take only their photos under goon lighting.

Bro, Beef Stew commented on the, like, I don't know if it was Bodybuilders with Borders or if it was the other page about Anton.

Anton, you saw that, right?

Dude, he's always got some shit to say, dude.

Like, he likes to talk for sure.

Dude, he just sits at home and it's just miserable.

And I think he just

literally just has to go out and try to make everybody else miserable.

Like, I mean, as much as I like, I think that he's like a good dude, but I just think he's just so caught up in like the bodybuilding lifestyle that if he doesn't think that people are being like true bodybuilders, aka taking their photos in like the shittiest lighting so it doesn't make them look better and like eating exact meals and like pushing food so hard that you like feel like you're gonna throw up like pushing like I know he does SEO.

So he's like a true like bodybuilder bodybuilder like you know, whereas I think we try to find a way that we can still like have a life.

And I don't think a lot of times when you have those type of like quote-unquote true bodybuilders, I'm not saying that's a healthy lifestyle or more of a legit bodybuilder, but that's the perception I think they have is that.

So when they see guys that are doing well on social media or taking photos and lighting where they're going to get more likes, they get super upset about it.

And that's just, and it's just, I think, usually reflects their own insecurities.

I mean, he has a good point in the fact that when people are comparing through photos, like, I think, like, like I was saying about Nick Walker, I was like, oh, wow, his waist looks small.

But the fact also is that we all tend to forget that photos are literally just a snapshot in time, just like your blood brick is.

And that varies so greatly day to day.

So that's why, you know, we're never going to know what they're going to look like actually on stage.

But I don't think

is that Anton's fault, though?

Like that somebody snaps his picture, puts a layout together and puts him next to like,

let's say, Terrence, right?

And then, people, like, that's not his fault that people are making that.

Like, he's just taking photo and good lighting, like, everybody else since the inception of like, you know, cameras and iPhones and stuff.

Like, if you go back and look at some of the 90s photo shoots and stuff, they're always in, like, they literally bring lighting into a gym.

They actually, yeah, they actually photoshop all the time.

And Photoshop every single magazine comfort.

Like, Jason Ellis, who's like one of the most famous, like, he photoshops every picture.

So, like, it's, it's just one of those things that it's like, don't hate the player, hate the game.

Like, if you're going to post shitty photos, like, if Anton posted all, like, you know, he just was in this lighting, like, in the corner over there, and like, just posted like super raw, like, terrible lighting, like, he would have like seven followers right now.

But the reason he's a following is because he takes these crazy photos and videos where his physique looks the best.

It's still his physique.

He's not editing it.

It's just he's putting it in the best light so people are like, wow, he looks crazy.

It's what you do.

That's social media it's part of it yeah

that's part of it what do you think

everyone does that

what do you what do you think about that like in terms of like

because i think a lot of people like nick walker for that the opposite reason where he posts like 90 like in his basement just

like pretty subpar lighting and it's very real and then it almost surprises people on stage when he walks out and they're like oh i didn't think he was going to look that good whereas then you have the opposite of that you know a guy like anton or most recently um

who's that guy who who has like just did his like classic debut and didn't do near he did the detroit pro and before that he did

a show the weekend before too

jack eagles jack eagles like he was another one where people were like

oh classic because you know he does all his videos in a mirror and so like obviously it's going to make you look better so it's like

what are your thoughts on that i mean

first off there's not without a doubt that people like jack have amazing proportions and stuff like that that's why we all follow them right um i think the thing is like it's just hard to um it's hard to like a perception is off when people when things are taken in different locations of course um so you just can never compare someone's conditioning so i mean like i know like on the real bodybuilding podcast they try to look at pictures but they also understand that like you're not going to know really what their conditioning is like until they're on stage so that's why everyone's anticipating and wanting to go to the show then you can actually see it in person how it looks.

Like, it's hard for me to say, but I feel like I, I feel like even me, like my physique will look great.

But like, I have worked so hard to like find the perfect lighting whenever I used to do those reels and those videos.

So you know it, bro.

You know, you know it.

Dude, all the US days, dude.

We'd go to the EOS.

He'd only train when it was overcast lighting.

So I get a text from him when he was in San Diego and be like, 454.

And he'd be like, in the afternoon, he'd be like, bro, I haven't eaten today.

You want to go?

It's overcast right now.

I'm like, dude.

And we'd go down there.

He's like, stand right here.

Use the the 50 millimeter lens.

Stand right here.

This is right where you're going to take it.

Like, he knew every angle, every spot of this gym in order to get everything down to pop off.

So I'm saying, like, don't, like, if you know that's going to like drive engagement for yourself and get, like, you know, drive business for yourself.

I just think

it's like the game.

Like, you just have to, like, not play it.

As long as you're not, like.

editing stuff and altering after the fact.

You just know when you're finding good lighting.

I just think there's just no harm in that.

I mean, I'll go for it.

I mean, I think the only problem is whenever anyone's like at a loss of their integrity.

So if you're doing that and then you're saying like, I'm going to be the most reader on stage or like I look super peeled or something like compare me to other people.

You're creating this.

Like you're the one that's prompting this.

Obviously, there's some kind of like lack of integrity there because you're also trying to

trying to like give yourself an advantage of how you look on social media.

Now, if you're just doing social media completely disconnected from comparing and competitions and all these discussions prior to a show you're not trying to create any extra hype around it you're just posting your own thing for your own content and then there's other pages that are probably doing that just like you said with anton it's not your fault you know what are you supposed to do about it it makes it fun for like fans though too it's like everyone

everyone has followers right people love bodybuilding it's like You didn't have people who are posting your physique and this and that leading up to, you know, the Detroit Pro or going coming up on Pittsburgh.

If people weren't posting their physiques and what they're doing, people wouldn't be talking about it.

It wouldn't give people like something to look forward to and hyping it up either.

So it's fun for other people when you're posting your physique to be like, oh man, he's looking crazy.

What do you think about him?

Like, we're talking about it right now.

It's so fun.

Yeah, it makes it fun.

It does make it fun.

Like, you see, whenever I do post my check-in photos, when I used to, it would be in the same lighting that doesn't have any downloading or anything.

And like, whenever I would post them, whenever it wasn't like three weeks, two weeks out of a competition, the engagement would be like zero.

One with like a million followers.

But it was cool, though, because the people that are actually committed, like, of your audience, would be like, like, one of the people actually commented, like, bro,

you've taken the same shots in front of the same place at the same landing, like, every single time.

And like, I can fucking see how shredded your glutes have gotten.

So, like, they would, like, help support and be like, bro, you're going to kill it on stage, all these things, which is also nice to hear, you know, but

I don't know.

It just, I just, I don't think it's

possession, really.

Bodybuilding is nasty, dude.

And bodybuilding fans are kind of nasty, too.

I don't know if you noticed in the comments.

Like, if anybody's slightly off or whatever, it's just like

ripping them to shreds.

You know, it's just like, oh, doesn't work hard, can't diet, terrible shape, doesn't not oppose,

like, didn't train hard.

Oh, yeah.

I know, I know this.

I get all of it.

But at the end of the day, man, I think it's good for the sport to have people that are the hybrids, right?

That can do social media well and also

are good competitors because it's good for the sport like if it's all guys that train in their basement and don't take any pictures and show up on stage and they look crazy like nobody's gonna like be hyped about it or talk about yeah i was like i was watching uh

bro chat and then one of the guys is competing in the

in one of the upcoming shows um

Yeah, they were looking him up and yeah, like his last post was like 2023.

And it was just like, I feel like you're doing yourself such a disservice because you're like reducing.

They didn't even talk about him.

They're like, oh, yeah, he hasn't had like because one thing I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's going to look crazy.

And then they went to his page.

He ended up posting for like two years.

And they're like, oh, well, forget it.

We're not even talking about him.

Because, like, now there's no, there's no point of reference.

There's no like.

Yeah.

It was for last year.

I think it was for Peebo.

It was one guy that they were saying like he could, he could do really well.

And they just kind of brushed over him because he didn't have any posts.

They have like their

part of their like

points, their scoring, like the amount of points that each person costs, I remember, was also related to like how much they competed in the last certain allotment of time.

Do you remember?

It was like a year or two or something.

I remember that talking about that.

That sounds like a dumb answer right now.

Let's brush over it.

Yeah, let's keep going.

So you're competing soon.

Yeah.

Getting ready to.

When are you going to start?

You're getting ready to get ready.

I'm getting ready.

a lot of pizza in the last 24 hours.

I don't know how much getting ready you're getting ready.

Yeah, I switched over to new coaches here, and then I'll prep at some point this year.

I don't know if I'll compete in this year, but at some point in this year, I'll be in prep.

So it's either the first shows of 2026 or the ending shows of 2025.

That's what I'm doing.

Mine.

Okay.

We don't know about what you're doing.

We do actually.

I'm doing the Mexico qualifier in

like six and a half weeks.

So, yeah, that'll be in uh

i think the i can't remember it's guadalajar i can't i think that's where it is and it's like a it's only like a two and a half hour flight from la so it was like this so after the arnold i looked up shows and uh my wife hates competing she like fucking hates it so i had to like

so i told her that i was done last year after usa's after i was just like so many times it's missing so close and then uh

and then it was like one of the worst most brutal preps i've ever had, too.

So, she was like, so ready for me to be done.

So, I told her, like, I'm done.

And then,

like, I did the Arnold, and it was so fun.

And I was like, like, I don't want to be done.

And so, so yeah, I had to like send her a whole list of texts about how I'm going to like step up in these other ways.

And, like, my blood works really good.

And I'm going to, like, you know, business has been going well.

So.

I had to like preface it because I know if I just brought it up out of nowhere, she would just be like, yeah, eat dicks.

Like, no way.

So, I like set this whole like, like, list of like pros of like why it would be good for me to compete.

It creates a narrative storyline.

You guys enjoy it.

Um, I enjoy it.

Um, it's just like fun for me to see how much I progress.

So, yeah, I'm doing the Mexico quality.

Um, it's the last weekend of May.

So, if you guys want to catch that, obviously, probably not in person, but uh, I think they have a live stream.

And I'm considering doing the Toronto Pro.

If I, I mean, I don't want to, I'm so sick of counting my chickens before they hatch, so to speak.

But if I do, then I would probably do the, if I win that, I'd probably do the Toronto Pro the very next weekend, which I think is like June 8th or whatever, June 7th.

What do you think is the most, uh,

what do you think was your most anxious experience since you ever even started anything remotely related to bodybuilding?

My most anxious experience was probably

Vancouver

last year because I went in with like the utmost expectation I was going to win.

Then I like got backstage and like all the pros that were there were like, they saw me backstage like, yeah, it's like it's game over.

So

that was just like a ton of pressure.

And then going out there and like doing well, obviously like in supers, I just.

just won outright.

It wasn't like even a competition.

And then I came out for finals.

I saw the guy Marcelo in the heavyweights i was like damn this dude's really fucking peeled man like i was lean but like this guy was like fucking fretted and i was like oof like please don't let this guy beat me like please don't let this guy beat me

and uh

and i was like we were gonna go they were just like they really ran us through uh poses and

uh because they hadn't then compared us for overall until the afternoon show

And I like went to

I went to Phil like between and I was like, He's like, I don't know, dude.

Like, he was fucking peeled from behind.

Like, you had like every muscle group on him, but it was just like he's just super conditioned.

Sometimes they want that refined physique.

And I was like, I just knew it.

They were like,

when they were like, and knew, because I, they called it down to third place and they waited for like to announce the pro.

And I was like,

and I just heard the number that wasn't mine.

I was like,

like, damn it.

Fuck, fuck, fuck.

And that was like probably like the most crushing moment for me of like my competitive career.

And like, I just went outside.

It's like, there were so many people that wanted to say hi to me.

And it was like the first time, because you know, I'm just the nicest guy that I was just like, I just walked, I was just like, hey, I'm sorry.

Like, I just need a minute.

Like, people, because people were trying to like take photos with me on the way out.

Cause they're like, congratulations.

I was like, no, I'm not congratulations.

Like, and I, and I hate to be like that.

And I'm like, I'm not that person.

But that was like the only time.

And it wasn't like out of malice or like non-appreciation.

It was just like,

oh my god, like this literally just happened again.

Because like my whole thing was like, I'm just gonna go do the Vancouver amateur show.

I'll just do the pro show the next day.

It's gonna be fun.

I'm not gonna win or even get close to winning, but at least then I'll be like able to like see where I line up as a pro.

Like that was the whole mindset.

And then to lose, it was like, and this guy Marcelo, hands down, like great competitor.

He ended up winning the Chicago Pro as 212 like two weeks later and going to the Olympia and placing like I think like top 10 or 11, which is insane.

So it's just like wrong place, wrong time.

Yeah, sounds like a loser.

Yeah.

He sounds happy.

It was, it was like fairly funny because he was like, definitely like

talking a ton of shit before he won.

And then he realized like how nice I was afterwards.

So I messaged him.

I was like, hey, like, you looked amazing, like, super deserving win.

Like, love to train with you if you ever can make it to LA.

And then, like, total 180 because he was in the comments, like, kind of like being like, oh no, like, I won kind of thing.

And then he like turned around and he was like super nice to me.

And he was like, oh, like, so like, so good to compete against you.

And you're such a great guy.

And then, so it ended up working out.

So, but he is, he is actually a very nice guy.

I think he's just very competitive, which is understandable.

You put so much into it.

And I think if you're like the more conditioned guy, like the, the, uh, the expectation is like, I worked harder.

And whether that's true or not, that's like, I think when you come in more peeled, And I hear that a lot from guys I see that are the most conditioned.

They're just like the most upset.

Because, yeah, they probably like gutted for it a little bit more but conditioning alone doesn't win shows so yeah um but yeah i think that's that's usually what i see is if a guy is like more conditioned like the way more upset

what do you feel like was your most anxious experience as a bodybuilder dude mine wasn't nearly as

i mean for me like i had pretty much won every show i had done i kind of let my genetics carry me

okay okay show let me finish my story i had pretty much won but like, this was when competing was still kind of gay.

So, like, it wasn't that stacked, you know, like I won, I won again, then I took tears off, won an overall.

And then the next show I did, I placed like fourth at nationals, my first national shows.

And then two weeks later, or something like that, I won.

I went pro.

And I was like, okay.

So then I did a pro show six months later.

And

I had never not gotten first callouts or been like right there in the running.

And this was the first show.

I never had pretty much anyone come out to see me at a show ever.

Like I didn't want people to.

If you don't understand bodybuilding, it just bodybuilding shows are kind of weird, to be honest, like if you don't get it.

And so, this is the first show, my pro debut, six months after going pro.

I had like 30 people come out to see me, and I didn't even get first call-outs.

I got second.

And the first call out was long.

It was like eight people in first callouts, and they worked them.

So, I'm standing on the side in second call.

I made second call outs, uh, but I ended up standing on the side for probably like 15 to 20 minutes.

And I'm like sweating off my tan.

I'm just like, dude, all these people came out to see me at this show, and I'm placing whatever I place, like 10th or 11th or something like that.

And just to have so many people there, especially now, that was my first time with having like a following.

And I felt like there was pressure.

And I never really got like nervous competing, but going into my first pro show, when I stepped in the back and saw how big the dudes are, I was like, this is not the same.

Like, these dudes are not NPC level anymore.

Like, they are big, even the men's visit guys, like, they are big.

And I was like, I am.

not even close to being where this needs to be.

And so going out there, placing second calls in front of everyone, like having, doing like a prep series leading up to it, and just doing absolute dog shit.

I was like,

this sucks, ass.

And so, it was just not the best when you do a prep series to get out of the base.

Like, it was like a 10th or 11th of like 34, and like, six of the eight guys were all Olympians that placed first call-outs, but still, it's just like, dude, like, you work so hard to get to this point, you just realize you don't got it.

And I was like, all right, we need to take some time off to grow.

What was your, like, how did you react?

Like, I mean, day out probably fucking sucked, but like, how did you react in like the coming like 7, 12, 24, 30 days after the show?

Like, how was the mentality?

It was, my coach wanted me to do a couple more shows just to see, but I was like, dude, there's no point.

Like, I'm not going to Olympia this year.

I know where I stack up.

I need to take time off to grow.

And so it was more like a reflection time of, it was very doubtful.

I was like, do I even, do I even deserve the pro card?

Like, did I even...

Like, was it a fluke?

And kind of reflecting on where I'm at, my progress, things like that.

And then I realized, like, you know what?

Like, like, I do think I have the shape because the judge feedback was you have a great shape, you have great conditioning, your posing was decent.

Like, you just need more size, like more tissue is pretty much all they said.

So, like, okay, so like, I think I have the shape for it.

I just need the time.

Bodybuilding is a marathon.

It's not a spring.

I need to take the time, add the size, and come back and then try and do better, which is why I took the last like two years off essentially to grow.

And then this next year, when I compete, we'll see what we were able to do with that.

So, um, but yeah, it was, it was, I doubted myself for sure.

And I still kind of, I wouldn't say I do still now, but I'm more curious as to like, do I got it or not?

But we're going to find out this, bro.

We're going to find out.

How about you now?

My most anxious experiences?

Yeah.

Was it this most recent one?

Bro, honestly, I have a lot of anxious experiences.

Everyone.

I'm just an anxious person.

I know.

Life just kind of gets me anxious.

Yeah.

Sometimes.

I understand.

It's a little hard.

Yeah.

So what would you say?

Like, you had like

a four,

which which like

which experience competing have you been like?

For me, it's always like the day or two before is always like the worst for me.

Just like, am I gonna peak this right?

Are we like full enough?

Are we am I dry enough?

Do you look at other people's profiles leading up to it?

I try not to.

I used to.

Oh, that part sucks.

I try not to.

I try not to, but somehow I swear they come across my profile or they like unwantingly get sent to me.

And I'm like, screw you, dude.

Like, why'd you have to send this to me?

Like, I've been locked in my own lane.

Now you're trying to take me out of it.

But that, that'll throw you off a little bit for sure.

I kind of just always think everyone looks better than me, to be honest.

I can't.

I kind of just don't want to do it.

No.

I've gotten like 16th plus place a lot of times.

So after a while, you kind of just get used to it.

This is as a pro.

So this is an immense fake, obviously, because you haven't done your first classic show yet, right?

No.

So I guess I don't even qualify as a classic show.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're still immense physique, dude.

Yeah.

I lied about the cloud cast today.

today.

I think I've had a lot of anxiety throughout my entire competitive career for a lot of reasons.

And I think it's just, I think I, I feel like I held my value as a human being on my success in

competitive bodybuilding

because I don't really feel like I had

much to offer elsewhere.

Don't want to really get too deep or anything, but I know

Asian parents didn't have a lot of high standards, so if you're not really good enough at math,

even though I probably should have just stuck to math, but even though you're not really good enough at math, and you're not really good enough at tennis, and

you know, you play a six instruments, but like you're not gonna go to Juilliard or anything, so why even play music?

It's like the only thing left is like

I want to show my family through bodybuilding,

so it was just uh it was very anxiety-ridden that

uh I would feel feel like my identity was dependent on

my

placing, which was

at the whim of other people's

perspective and decision.

So

I would just try to do my best, but I would have anxiety.

I would have trouble sleeping at night, like even eight weeks out, six weeks out.

I once had this, um, I once had this,

I once had this dream that, like, uh, i dreamt that i won my pro card and then i woke up in the middle of the night and i like started crying because i realized that i don't actually have my pro card

slow story in my life

so um still still living that nightmare right now eric's like i can hyper relate

so at one point i just

started taking um

one point i just started taking solank and then it got all better so

what's Solank?

No, I'm just kidding.

What is Solank?

It's that peptide.

You know, C-Max and Solank.

So C-Max is

will raise BDNF.

It's good for like neuroprotective properties and just kind of raises your cognition.

And

C-Make is more of like a peptide that helps reduce anxiety.

But what actually, I only started taking that recently, but what actually happened was like, I ended up just releasing all my expectations.

like have you ever heard the the saying expectations are suffering

um i think that was my biggest issue and like i know fuad states like be prepared by being prepared that helps release anxiety because you know you've done everything you can and that's what i would always do and it definitely helped for sure but i think for some reason it was the fact that i still wanted it so bad and i didn't know if it would happen or not it was that unknowing of the future, like he says, even if I am prepared, because it's from someone else's decision, would continue to give me this fucking crippling anxiety where, like, I wouldn't be able to sleep.

It would cause me just enormous stress.

So, finally, I think I just decided, like,

I'm just going to do this for fun.

I'm just, I'm probably not going to even ever get my pro card, but I'm just going to keep doing it and just keep trying, you know, and see whatever happens.

Then, out of nowhere, I got second place or at nowhere.

I got like third place at a nationals.

Then my coach is like, let's try for the next one.

And I'm like, fuck.

okay and then i got my bro card how many shows did it take you total to get it nine shows wow

like damn that's i'm the opposite

can't relate

that's awesome i'm the opposite of c bum yeah that's crazy dude i feel like sometimes you just got it though like for a sebum you're just like it's it's different it's just built different for real

that's awesome though cool man but um i don't know uh it's it's that's why i really really love whenever i have bodybuilders on that talk about how they've noticed that their success comes the greatest when, like John Jewett says, their total allostatic load is down or lowered.

And this includes psychological stresses.

This includes the pressure that you have on yourself.

This includes how much

value I think you put into the result.

rather than being process oriented, you are outcome oriented.

And now you're at the whim of whatever happens in the future, right?

So, by like releasing all expectations of like whether you're going to win, whether you're doing well, like just doing this for the sake of like, I love bodybuilding.

I love getting shredded.

I'm going to post some fucking sick-ass content under some fucking goon lighting,

literally,

and then just going to the show,

people tend to do better.

So,

it's a weird thing because the old bodybuilding days were like work as fucking hard as you can, like die under the weights, train the hardest do extra cardio

like just

go the distance and be better than everyone else but

i mean really it's like

enjoy the process because that's how your body is going to respond the best yeah i agree man i think that's like the best thing i could give anybody that's competing is

is to like release expectations because like when I did the Arnold most recently and I actually probably had my best look ever I was just like enjoying the process getting outside more, doing more steps, not feeling like my cardio had to be like crazy arduous.

I only did like a seven or eight-week cut, and I shouldn't have probably been as lean as I was.

But I think it was just because I was just like so low stress, like, didn't post about it, didn't put super high expectations on myself.

And there was like the most stacked, super heavyweight division at the Arnold.

They said, like, in the amateurs, in like 10 years.

So, of course, some guy that's like six foot two and a half, 275 pounds, showed up with like a tiny little waist and basically barely beat me.

So it was pretty cool to be that close.

Shout out to you, A-train.

You deserved it, bro.

That was crazy showing, man.

So next, like coming of

kind of like a flex rodent-looking character.

Yeah, it's insane.

I don't know if you guys saw some of the photos of him.

Yeah.

The guy beat me.

Yeah.

It's insane.

Insane.

Waiting.

Yeah.

Crazy.

We were talking about in the gym about how you've seen more gains in the last couple of months than you have almost in the last year.

Do you mind like expounding on like what your new program with your new coach is like?

Yeah.

Or just what your new program in general has been that's caused extra gains.

Yeah, the extra gains.

We want the extra gains.

Yeah.

So this year I switched over to a new coach.

I went over to Cuts and he's been absolutely phenomenal.

One of the things I like about Cuts is one, how communicative he is and how fast he responds.

But another thing is with my last coach, amazing coach, great coach, he became one of my best friends.

And so I feel like that coach to athlete, coach to client, like connection, relation wasn't there.

It kind of became more of a

almost like I'm kind of self-coaching myself with maybe some slight guidance, which I think.

So potentially, I think I outgrew him.

I just outgrew him.

That's what happened.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

People outgrow coaches all the time.

So I took over to this coach.

And this is something I took a lot of time into thinking about.

I looked at all the guys that he had worked with.

Even the guys that weren't as genetically blessed, he still show to show would get them better and better.

And so I was like, okay, this is the guy I want to go with.

I had a lot of respect for him.

And so when I got with him,

I, within the last, I would say, probably two months, I've seen two, three months.

I think I've seen more progress than I saw all last year.

And there's a couple of things I attribute that to.

One is

the diet plan he gave me.

It was a little less strict and it was more so like with substitutions.

My last diet plans I had, I felt like it was like, oh, like 320 grams of rice, 320 grams of rice, 320 grams of rice.

Like, dude, I can only do so much rice in a day.

And I already have like the appetite of a bird.

Like, I would get burnt out and I couldn't get my food in.

Whereas my new coach, he's a little more, he's like, hey, like, this is your diet plan.

Try and stick to it.

But if you can't, like, here's the substitution.

So it gave me a lot more variables and things to play with so I could get my food in.

Pizza.

And then the other thing was he looked at me and my size and I told him what I was running.

And he was like, We need to bump up those doses a little bit,

which for me, you know, I'd kind of always stuck around like the 500 test, test, 350 MPP, you know, type 500 test, 400 primo since I started when I was 180 pounds.

And now I'm sitting at 240 and it's like, okay, it's time to bump the doses a little bit for you.

Yeah.

And this is the real definition of,

according to some of the

more, more credible people that I've talked to, the definition of

like titrating doses.

Upregulation.

Yeah.

As you grow heavier and as you build more muscle, you have more receptors.

And then you have the...

To saturate those receptors, receptors, obviously, you just need more gear.

And so, yeah, and like my body can also tolerate, you know, I'm 50, 60 pounds heavier than I was.

And so I was like, yeah, you're right.

I just kind of needed someone to tell me that because it had always worked for me in the past.

And so I was like, okay, if it always works for me in the past, we'll just keep running it.

You know, but he's like, no, it's time to, it's time to grow a little bit more.

So he upped the doses just a little bit.

And then the other thing was, I think the biggest thing was going to a coach that I really respect and almost

was almost like nervous to be with because of how much I respect him, what he does and the other athletes he has.

It made me want to,

me and him don't have a crazy personal relationship.

Like, we really don't, which is okay, that's fine.

But because I respect him so much, I wanted to like make him proud.

I know he has other high-caliber athletes, and he puts a lot into his athletes.

And like, I wanted to make him proud.

I also wanted to make myself proud and not leave anything on the table.

So, going into something kind of lit a fire under my ass to be like, okay, it's time to really push.

Like, this is getting serious.

Because this next time I compete, I'll probably do, you know, two, three, four shows to see like where I stack up.

And if I don't got it, it might just be time to realize, like, hey, maybe I don't got it, you know?

But I hope I have it.

Like, I hope I can do well and get first call outs and hopefully win a pro show and go to Olympia because that's a dream of mine.

But yeah, I think the diet to the switch up on the diet, the food, and then going to a coach that you really respect and want to make proud and giving you that extra bit of discipline and motivation to kind of take it to the next level.

I think you're going to do really fucking well, honestly, bro.

Like, I know.

My comment section says different.

Really?

Bro, I got a lot of haters, man.

I still got people trolling me from my last show, like Men's Physique Pro, but can't place top 10.

I think it just stems from like, if you are, like, more confident, like,

guy and you put your opinion out there, you're going to be more subject to, like, that's why Nick Walker has such a divided, because he'll speak his mind and he'll say exactly.

Like, most people in his position.

Had to back basically didn't have to, but backed out of last year's Olympia.

Didn't probably have his best look to date at New York during the middle of the year, barely beat Martin, and then had to basically miss the Olympia before because of the hamstring.

Most people in that position wouldn't be like, Yeah, I'm going to go beat Derek, but he's like, I'm going to go beat Derek.

You know what I mean?

And so, like, that's why he's got so many, like, like, loyal fans because they're like the rider dies.

But then, if you talk like that, you're just going to get the so many people more willing to like paint you the villain or be like, oh, like Nick Talker kind of thing.

You know what I mean?

And I think it's just like, and you're the kind of guy that like speaks your mind.

So if you're a little bit more confident, people are going to be more willing to just be like,

oh, yeah, I'm going to get in his comment section and, you know, talk shit.

True.

If you ever look up like the seven different types of charisma,

there's even like a guy who creates YouTube videos on it, but like you have someone that's like the conviction type of charisma.

That's someone like

Nick Walker, for example.

but then you also have like the um

there's like the genuine like and like like open-hearted whatever kind of charisma it's like more like sebum and then you have like the humorous and that's more like urs but there's different types of charisma and often the the conviction the one where the guys are like i'm gonna do this it's kind of like the old style bodybuilding but i think nowadays it's just not as appealing to the masses because i think people don't really i think it actually is like it's appealing in the sense of it's entertaining If everybody was like, if everybody was like us, like, we're like, oh, we suck.

Like, everybody's better than us.

Hopefully we at least like don't embarrass ourselves.

You know, like, it's like, it's less fun to like make fun of us, right?

Like, it's like people are like, ah, it sucks.

Like, now I can't be mean to him because he's actually more mean to himself than I could probably be right now.

But if you're like, I'm going to fucking trounce everybody.

He just has really shit self-confidence.

Like, damn, we have a lowest visit.

So it's like, it's like, then they're like, oh man, well, this makes it so much less fun.

Where if you're like a Conor McGregor and you're just like talking about how you're going to beat the hell out of somebody and then

go and like, you know,

smash their wife, you know what I mean?

Like, it's like, it's easier to like love the guy, but it's,

yeah, I mean, I've never been a huge McGregor fan, but but he makes it entertaining.

That's why he sold seats and you know, tickets and pay-per-view because people wanted wanted to see if you back up,

put his money where his mouth is and see if he could back up all the shit talking.

So I think

that's what makes it entertaining.

I think

I wish I was more like Nick in the sense of

just willing to be like, I don't care what people think.

I want to say what I want to say.

But I think it'd just be so disingenuous to myself because I actually don't think those things about myself.

I'm like, I know I'm really good at like training, but I know I'm not like a like S-tier bodybuilding genetics guy.

I think I'm like B-

and I've made myself into like

respectable.

What's Nile?

Nihil, I think, is an A to an A plus.

I think just pure bodybuilding genetics.

I think Niall has the best of the three of us.

What?

I think so.

I think so, too.

I think you have the best shape.

You have the best shape.

And you also have like...

Shape is like one-tenth of the equation.

That's not true.

I think it's a little more than one-tenth.

I think it's like you and I are built more like you got good structure, but you and I are built more like athletes because we're tall and we're like big jointed.

And like, it's just like...

I think you have dainty joints, man.

Do you have dainty joints?

I think my joints are kind of dainty.

People always see my, like, my palms.

They're like, oh, fuck.

I got like big old bear paws and stuff.

You're a big dude.

That's a big dude.

Yeah.

So, like, I think I'm built more like people

like when I go places, people will be like, oh, do you like play like a professional sport or something?

They guess less

frequently that I do bodybuilding.

If they see me in like a like this outfit, they'd be like, oh, do you play like rugby or do you powerlift?

I get loud powerlift.

I get CrossFit a lot, which I'm like, you've never seen CrossFitters, huh?

Rugby?

Rugby, I get rugby, football.

Rugby.

That'd be crazy.

I wish it was football.

That'd be so wow.

I'd be really loaded right now but i'll have like probably a very natural football player yeah

yeah

and then in the enhanced league the xfl

the enhanced games the enhanced games you ever joined that

i i don't know if i have like i think it's all it's all like olympic type events right yeah i don't have any olympic event type skills

i need to respond to him i don't know how to wrestle

i need to respond to him but i actually just got a dm this morning or was it yesterday and it was from come on, come on, come on, come on, where is it?

From Chris Bell.

He says, hey, brother, my name is Chris Bell.

I made the movie bigger, stronger, faster.

I would love to sit you up with the people that are running the enhanced games.

I think you could help them a lot.

I think some of the doctors on your show would be great.

So I might just message him and be like, yeah, can you throw rugby in there and throw in Eric Janics?

This is no rugby experience nor skill.

Just like, hope for the best.

Rugby is actually a pretty skill-sensitive game.

I mean, I could tackle this guy.

I played football all the way through college, but I don't understand any of those rules, man.

I don't, like, I'm like, wait, why is the ball on the ground?

Now they still have possession.

Why are they in a scrum?

Why are they like all hugging each other and then smashing into each other and then throwing the ball underneath?

Why is somebody on the other guy's shoulders throwing the ball in from the sideline?

Like, man, this is all pretty complicated.

We're just going to erase this part from the podcast.

Yeah.

I feel like this is so tangential.

All right.

I think those commenters, though, I mean, honestly, like, they haven't seen you in person, bro.

Like, I feel like you're wider than both of us.

Like,

your fucking shoulder span is insane.

I feel like I haven't.

I've grown your shoulders, too.

I'm not a very arrogant person, though, online.

I don't think so.

I don't think, I mean, I kind of, maybe what I mean by.

I think this is more

the way you talk, for sure.

You think so?

Yeah, especially when you talk to Corey, it's pretty great.

Okay, that's just Corey.

He deserves all the shit I can do.

But, like,

whoa, he deserves it.

That's crazy.

We're here at Transcendent Age Quarters, and Corey is our favorite person.

Except

for Marcus.

Yeah, except for me.

I love you, Corey.

Yeah, I just think, I don't know.

Do I come across arrogant?

No, you don't come across as arrogant, but in your content, I'm very, like, you're a very different person and person than I thought you'd be based on your content.

Just kind of come across as a dick.

Really?

Man, that makes me sad.

I feel like I try not to be a dick.

I feel like I'm such a nice person.

No, you know, I think you're a nice guy, like, like, like when I met you, but like

when I.

You also have, like, it's also the look, too the backwards hat, the headphones, the

backwards headphones.

You're still wearing your headphones on the podcast right now.

You just came from working out.

You're a super nice guy, but it's like when you're in the middle of the way, it's the persona.

When people, yeah, the persona, when people create videos online, when you have reels, there's a little bit more conviction.

Like you watch TNF.

Yeah.

Isn't TNF a lot nicer in person?

You have more conviction in person, but also if you're like people that do not know you, say that you're a stranger, that you're coming off, you're coming off on someone's explore page.

Normally, if if it's another guy, they will look at you as like

competition or an opponent.

And immediately, the more negative traits that you have or whatever that appear to them are like exacerbated.

They're like, this guy's a fucking dick.

This guy's probably, his peepee is probably small.

Dude's actually like five, two.

Anything that they like that comes up in the mind is like exacerbated, right?

But then all of a sudden they meet you in person and like you're super nice.

And those things immediately change.

And I feel like that's the, that just happens to all of us, us, you know.

I think it's just a normal thing that happens as us humans, like we're in this like protected state, right?

So, same thing that happened with you, right?

With the guy, you guys started talking, he ended up being super nice.

Yep.

Um, so I don't think it's anything really too much to think about, it's just something that we do, but it's good to stay conscious of.

But, um, how much did you increase the stack?

So, I know, yes, I know she breezed over that.

Super polite.

Increased total dosage by

350 milligrams.

So I went from, mind you, this is the most I've ever ran.

Okay.

By far.

I just want to preface that.

This is the most I've ever ran.

So my normal stacks were like 500 tests, 350 MPP.

Can't do MPP anymore.

Doesn't work with me.

For reasons, 350 MPP is great.

For reasons.

Yeah.

The worst reasons.

So now I'm doing 600 tests and they bumped it to 600 primo and 400 EQ.

Fucking liar.

That was my bump.

What was your experience?

No, I believe it.

First experience, I hated it.

I talked a lot of shit about it because it was the one compound that made me broke out really bad.

Talked about it bat poorly for three years and then switched over to MPP.

MPP didn't work.

And then coach was like, hey, we're going to do EQ.

And I was like, you know what?

If I'm paying you, we're just going to fucking run it and see what happens.

Ran it and i'm really liking it right now it controls my estrogen really well the primo honestly no no no when i i've done many rounds of blood work with primo tests and primo primo doesn't do shit for my blood work mastaron affects it

like hyper responding to only mastaron 600 tests 100 milligrams of mastaron um estrogen estrodi levels was i think like 17 or 19 from that ratio which is crazy um Primo does nothing for me.

EQ was very similar to Mastaron, but the dosage is probably 600 EQ.

i meant 600 tests 400 eq estrogen levels were same around the same as like 17 and 19.

so i got many rounds of blood work to show it which is like super which is a lot more on the rear side like most of the people in the comments will be like oh like they don't believe you or that's like really really rare and i would like yeah feel that for mastron because it acts like a stream it's it or blah blah blah oh yeah um but like we've seen that happen to a lot of guys like paul brunette commented that that happened to him um jack was it jack eagles that that was on or was it darren farrell uh darren farrell that obviously happened to him and he had blood work from it.

So, I mean, it just happens sometimes.

You know, some people respond vastly differently.

It's hard for some people to believe.

Yeah, I'm really surprised at how like this is essentially a debate in the bodybuilding industry when it talks about gear in terms of like Mastron, if it does or it doesn't, you know, control your estrogen or if it doesn't show on blood work or it does.

And it's like...

It really is like your body's the X variable.

Like it does.

For certain people, it does.

Not for everyone, but it does.

It does for me.

I mean, I think that's why I really enjoy my podcast with people like Dr.

Dean, is like they put it from a very unbiased perspective, but from a scientific point of view, I think it's harder for people that haven't really studied medicine as much to understand.

But you look at a variety of different medicines, and there's always such drastic differences in side effects that people experience across the board.

Like you look at SSRIs, such as like Prozac, some people experience complete sexual dysfunction, some people experience none of it whatsoever.

And it's actually a good option for them, right?

And that happens with so many different kinds of medicines, so many different types of drugs.

So, like Dr.

Dean stated, like, there's so many genetic variations too that people will experience.

So when we were talking about anxiety earlier, I wanted to actually say that like,

while I love how like Fu I press is like, it's about being prepared and how you think about the situation, there is one thing that I want people in the audience to understand that when anxiety comes into play, I think all of these people should also try to take a look at what, like, if they don't take a look at their genetics and they don't like going Prometheus to see the rundown of their genetic combinations to actually just

like there's this gene cmot c-om-t and um

you know some people have can have a rise of catecholamines so like dopamine um a series of like these various hormones that cause you to feel right cause you to go and if you're like falling asleep at night and you're having a rise of um these hormones then it's going to make it much harder for you to fall asleep so even if your body is in a rested state your mind can still be running so there's different like supplement combinations So, like when you're like go before going to bed, um,

GABA vitamin

right now, um,

complex, uh, complex B vitamins, that helps uh convert

um

oh my god, dude, that does something to something.

Yeah, it helps it helps you produce serotonin by converting it from um

um ltryptophan.

So, and then having some other supplementation, supplementation like

methylfolate, these things will help calm your mind before bed, but these are also things that can cause anxiety because if they're too high, obviously in a state when it's not supposed to be high, then you're going to be racing, right?

So it's like, I always remind people, like, not only

like control your body through your brain, like your thoughts control your body in a way.

So focus on your thoughts, which is really difficult for all of us, right?

Sometimes you can't even control your next thought.

And then also make sure that you're healthy.

Take some supplementation, learn your body, get your blood work done.

And if you can, even get your genetics done.

I know a lot of people don't want to because they don't want the government to have their data or whatever.

But I think it's pretty, pretty beneficial to get your genetics done.

Dr.

Dean and I both got it done.

We both figured out a lot of things about our body.

And I just recommend anyone listen to his podcast because I think it'll help persuade them to understand how valuable that doing this is.

Yeah.

Where'd you get yours down through?

So my, um, I got, I went to 23andMe and then I got my raw data from 23andMe and then my friend helped me plug it into Prometheus.

And then we got the little rundown.

So I figured out things like

my risk for diabetes and Alzheimer's.

I realize I have a higher risk for like Alzheimer's and dementia.

So that's why I'm very um like particular about running your protective peptides.

Um so CMAX is one of them.

I'm raising BDNF.

We were talking about Dehexa earlier, but

I haven't really

practiced much with that.

You were mentioning that you started experimenting with new pept earlier, right?

Yeah, I'm super, super inconsistent with it.

My videographer is like all about it, so he gave me one.

He's like gifted it to me.

And it's like, it burns so bad because it's like a nasal spray.

And I hate nasal sprays in general.

So like you take it, it tastes like terrible.

And he's like, He loves it.

He's like, Oh, that's that, that's that new pep, like, burn.

I'm like, nah, I don't like that shit, bro.

So, I think that's probably part of the reason that I haven't like been consistent with it.

But I probably used it like three or four times, and I don't know if I've like noticed a substantive change, but I'm also like so busy that

I'm doing a million things at once.

So, when I would take it, I wouldn't then think three hours later, like, oh, how was my

mental aptitude, or was I more

finite with my thoughts or

when I was speaking on camera was I a little bit more like sharp I don't know because I didn't take mental note so I think that a lot of times you have to like do something and then really like

have a reminder on your phone or something to like take notes and see if you really found that you felt something and of course there could always be placebo but I think if you do it enough times you probably understand

if it's really doing something for you but I would say like yeah I've taken it like four or five times And like my, your fellow who you know just like swears by it.

But yeah, I'd have to probably do do it more frequently and probably more for a longer duration to be able to speak to it.

But like from personal experience and if it's had a pretty profound effect on me.

I like Dohexa or Dihexa.

Yeah.

I use it.

I've used it for a couple of years now.

I use it on and off.

Like when I usually do use it, it's usually for until I run out and then I have to order more.

And I think it really helps me.

I take it first thing in the morning and I feel like it really just helps me like lock into what I'm doing.

What's your dosage?

Uh, whatever they prescribe to me, honestly, in the bottle.

What did it do?

Two or three caps, is like it says it one or two?

One, you got a dosage for dihexa

30, yeah, okay, 30 migs.

Yeah, it's probably 30 migs, not milliliters, not milliliters.

Yeah, Cory likes to say mils for everything, including MiGs.

Yeah,

yeah, uh, I just feel like it helps

more productive.

Two gallons.

When I'm working.

Are you considered natty if you take all the peptides, but then you're still not on TRT yet?

That's him.

By water standards.

Yeah, you can pull them into this story.

Depends.

Basically, as long as it's not water banned, like you can do it for

powerlifting or bodybuilding.

I don't think like for example, I don't think like diehexa would be a water.

It's not performance handling, it's more cognitive enhancement yeah um so thinking about health by the way um when you were mentioning I forgot I want to mention this when you were mentioning that you were on 500 megs earlier um I know that there's some people out there that probably just believe that you're lying that you're a fucking liar

I feel like 500 megs is a solid

bro dose ever well here's the thing is I would love the I would love the audience the comment their what their views are because um I think most of my audience is really smart and they have a really good understanding of the bodybuilding industry.

And And a lot of them like to listen to like, yeah, a lot of these more intellectual conversations.

Be gentle with me.

Well, I have personal experience talking to some coaches because I actually, of course, started in Men's Physique.

So I have some personal DMs and messages about them explaining that like a lot of these top coaches at Men's Physique normally only run their guys on around 500 milligrams of tests.

But I have this commenter saying like,

Niall, like, I'm fucking disappointing you for calling these guys out because we both know that literally every bodybuilder, every bodybuilder runs at a minimum 750 megs.

Of test, of just test.

And we both know that.

So, and they're lying.

And like, that's the problem that frustrates me is like,

did this person not put any consideration into the type of division that bodybuilder was competing in,

into maybe their body weight, into maybe what?

And you don't really have any clue of what they could tolerate, but body weight is a nice variable to like, you know, observe and put into consideration when that.

I wonder if I could, like, how much if I could tolerate that.

I've literally never gone over like 450,500.

Yeah, but you're also one of the people with like that.

I think a lot of people are learning now in the audience as well that there's some people that aromatize like crazy.

Like you, John Jewett also pushes high DHT with lower tests.

I got their high DHT two to one always.

Jack Eagles Eagles has to do this.

Darren Farrell has to do this.

I can't remember who else.

Oh, you also, right?

No, I know, guys.

Yeah, you have like twice as much DHT as test, too, right?

No, no, no.

Mine's way lower.

Oh, yours is lower.

Mine's lower.

Someone else is low.

Well, yeah, no more.

No, that's not true because you're at, what did you say?

How much test?

Six?

Yeah, 600 and 600 primo.

600.

That's also a DHT.

It's not two to one.

That's just a one to one.

And then with the math plus mask.

No, no, no.

I didn't know that.

I was thinking about Eric, actually.

My mask is 100 milligrams, and my test is 600.

I'm always, I always run.

Unless I'm doing like my

health recall or just like, you know, just trying to get my blood work perfect, I just run.

So when I do that, I don't go down to like full-on true TRT, which would be for my size, like 100 or 125.

I go down to like 200, but then that's when I push, I bring down primo to 200.

So I just put into two doses a week: 100, 100, 100, 100,

twice a week.

And that's like my like health phase kind of thing.

That's what I ran after the Arnold for like five weeks.

And somehow I put on, like I'll give you the photo, but just, I feel like sometimes people are hyper-responders.

And I think my training is more dialed in than it's ever been.

And of course, I'm using peptides, IGF, growth hormone, a small amount of insulin pre-workout.

So like, I think all those things are very like growth inducing.

And I also prioritize everything else, sleep, right?

Like training intensity, but also managing training volume, not trying to like just be like, all right, I'm just going to do 100 sets here just because I want to do 100 sets.

I mean, I'd be in the gym all day long if I could, but I got to like I've curtailed that.

And I think you know, Tony from the gym, he's like, very smart guy.

He like follows all the like top bodybuilding coaches.

And he's like, Yeah, like I've you're watching your training, like, this is like the smartest you've ever been.

You train like very, very hard, and but you're in and out, like you get it done.

Like today, you guys saw like I trained really hard, but I think I finished in what

50 minutes, like a full push day.

I did, yeah, six sets of chest, four sets of lateral delts, two sets of downward bias triceps, two sets of overhead, two sets of shoulder pressing.

So more like frontal head.

And I think that was pretty much it.

And I was like,

man, all my sets were to failure with a couple intensifiers, but I wasn't training for two hours.

And I know that some people may not believe, but I appreciate you guys for being real, too, because I think,

I mean, like, I have experience in the industry talking to coaches personally, so I understand the variance and dosages.

Like, it would make sense that I would, I should be running, like, I'm running 600, I should be running probably half of what I would expect Nick Walker to be running as an open bodybuilder because he weighs 100 pounds more than me at the exact same height.

Isn't that fucking crazy?

Like, I'm 205.

That dude was like 300-something pounds.

Yeah.

So

I don't think you really realize

it's not just

like there's a difference between body weight and tissue.

like i think that's where people miss a lot is like

for example a guy that's in men's physique that's like five seven

like let's say five eight five nine 190 pounds like peeled and like nick walkers like five six

and like 260 something on stage or 260 it's not just like

70 pounds that this guy has nick has on this men's physique guy he's a little shorter so he's probably got like

70, 80 pounds of like true tissue, which is different than just scale weight.

Because if you're taller, like the fact that I'm taller, I'm 6'1,

you know, the fact that I'm like 276 is less impressive than Nick Walker being 276, a pretty similar body composition at like fucking 5'6, 5'7.

Yeah, it's insane.

It's like, it's just a whole nother, it's a whole nother stratosphere of like the amount of tissue you have on that frame.

And we both know from like what Kurt and Paul have discussed, like people can have the conversations with Kurt and Paul themselves if they don't believe it, of course, but that like as you grow and as you grow more tissue, you know, you have more to saturate, which means you just kind of have to run more gear a lot of the time.

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So what health protocols do you guys do to manage your blood work and your organ health?

to manage your total inflammation what are the things that you do obviously you don't do ice baths no because you think they're fake they yeah

It's fake.

They're not real.

It's kind of like a unicorn.

It just doesn't exist in my world.

Yeah,

I think the biggest one that has made a big difference on my blood work that I've seen is just like the injectable glutathione.

I feel like that is...

People talk about it, but I feel like they don't understand how...

Important, how good it actually is for your body.

Like the reason why people say knack is because it breaks down into glutathione and your body uses it up faster than it can be produced.

And then they try to make arguments for why to take the oral forms and stuff.

Yeah, And then the oral forms, like your body doesn't, you know, the vibrant availability is so far, so low, so much lower.

The injectable, the only part with the injectable is that, depending on where you can get it from, sometimes it feels like someone took a baseball bat and nailed it wherever you inject it.

For sure, depending on where.

Yeah, so definitely ask if you go through three times a week, too.

It's the same.

Yeah, especially to get like the dosage up there if you're trying to get like 600 or 1,000 milligrams.

But

yeah, injectable glutathione has made a big difference for me

in

my protocols.

And I don't know if we can put this part in there, give it them, but

if you want to get it from where we get it from, ask for the Anazow one, not revive.

Oh, is that the one that's

like less pain?

Yeah, way less pain.

I don't know what they do to it, but it's like injecting almost like 8 CG as opposed to injecting a beehive into your

or wherever you do it.

I threw mine away.

They sent it to me.

I did one injection.

I threw it away.

I said, don't ever send me that shit.

It's not worth it.

That's what the hardest part is for me.

It's like, it literally feels like I got

punched, like a donkey kicked.

Dude, the first time I took it, I was like, this is not worth it.

Like, this is not worth it.

Like, it's just, it's so not worth it.

It's got to be I am, too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You guys, yeah, it has to be intramuscular.

Yeah.

I mean, I do really like the non-the non-sting one because I feel like that one's like a tenth of the pain of L-carnitine,

which some people are injecting every day.

I don't fucking know how.

The pip of that shit's crazy.

But I mean, I think it's becoming more common knowledge though that people are realizing that glutathione is actually extremely effective and like obviously you'll see a lot of people like even doctors like huberman i'm pretty sure huberman and some other people were discussing like doing like body

especially bodybuilding coaches dr deems as well yeah that was like skin health and anti-aging yeah benefits as well like skin tightening i mean i uh i asked dr deem what his top three supplements for anti-aging anti

for for reducing inflammation and becoming like a bodybuilder where like you want to extend your life the longest that you can and the first one was glutathione easily.

And then second one, I can't remember what it was.

Not yet.

Second one was trend.

Second one was trend.

It's actually halotessin.

Yeah.

Injectable supernova.

All great.

Four anodols a day.

Second one was vitamin E.

And third one was either CoQ10 or NAD,

which is kind of cool because I started the NAD like...

five, six months ago, and that's been nice.

How you like it?

I love it, honestly.

I mean, I feel like I think better and i have more energy but i mean that's just how i feel yeah not completely sure it's one anecdote

yeah i think i feel better

you know so like i had a like a functional wellness like doctor was a friend and she was basically saying that like nad unless it's like done in an iv drip is not really like effective and i was like well So I called the clinic and I was like, she was like, I'll call a clinic and see how much their NAD is

for their their like IV trip.

And it was like $800 per time.

And they're like, yeah, you should probably start by coming once a week.

And I was like,

I was like, whoa, that's crazy.

You're dealing with some, that's some like rich fit shit right there.

Like $3,200 a month to start.

And they were like, we'll start with that, see how you react.

And then we could probably get up to like two times a week.

And I was like, okay, well, I was just like inquiring at that point, but I was like, okay, like how, like, what's the process?

Like, yeah, like, definitely bring something to do like the IV takes like two to the drip takes about two to three hours I was like what the

like who has time for this or money like this is literally like meant for rich people and it's like people who probably don't have anything to do and they're the ones that are like trying to like optimize their like energy and cognition I'm like wait for what like you're not doing anything if you got if you got two to six or like three to six hours a week and like $1,200 a week to burn on NAD like drips you probably don't have much going on, I would assume.

Like think about any of like the really busy people you know spending six hours a week.

You get 16 bottles of testosterone a week for that.

Yeah.

You get

a lot for that.

It's already just say less.

It's already ordered.

My NAD blood has been has been

redirected.

I mean, if you're super lucky, my, I mean, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but it's the truth.

My doctor literally said I could just give him my NAD and he would let me go into his clinic and just turn it into an IV for me.

And last time I had to get an IV because I got a

phlebotomy.

This is, I'm going to sound dumb.

Phlebotomy is the one where you're not donating, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's drawing blood.

Yeah, the thing bodybuilders actually should be doing.

Last time I got phlebotomy, they obviously gave me like liquids and some other extra stuff.

And

I thought it was going to take a couple hours like normal.

But the entire process took like 30 minutes somehow.

30, 45 minutes.

To donate?

I had to donate blood and then also get um

hydration and liquids afterwards, so

a lot quicker than I thought.

So, maybe if you can go to your doctor and you just get an idea from like another client, they were explaining to me over a phone that, like, you have to, it has to like drip and like you can't introduce it, you can't just speed run it.

Yeah, like it's

they were explaining to me at some had something to do with like the reaction you get from it.

Cause I think the amount they're giving is like way higher than like what you get in like a vial that we would receive.

So, like

though you have to like

kind of like ease it in yeah i don't know this is just based on what they were telling me over the phone and yes i mean you get pretty lightheaded

i'm just like all right next like well have you like injected nad before yeah you had it do you get lightheaded when you do it you don't get the flush effect um i got a little flush before yeah but not lightheaded whenever i do like a super high dose of nad from injection

sometimes you gotta like sit down for a second i do with melanitan.

Melanitan.

That's a whole different thing.

They're completely separate, but I get that with melanitan for sure.

Do you get a flush effect with melanitan?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, have you ever, you know, we're probably taking it.

Have you ever taken melanitan?

You're taking that.

Yeah, I was about to say you don't need to.

I don't really need it.

No, you'll.

MT1, you're fine.

MT2, man, that's a whole.

Yeah.

What's the difference?

So, MT2.

MT1.

Melanitan 1 is essentially like you can you take it, but it needs sun to like activate it, like basically right after you.

So, you take like MT1, you take like any time a day and then get out in the sun.

You're usually okay.

MT2, you always take before bed because it's longer acting, and you don't really need like you can literally get more tan without even getting in the sun.

Like, obviously, getting in the sun makes it a lot faster.

But I remember taking MT2 for the first time, like five, six years ago.

And first of all, the

erections are just insane.

Like, you just like pop like two-hour boners for which which I get it.

Yeah, right.

Like literally, it's it's like almost annoying.

Like you like brush against something and it's just like, there's nothing you can do about it.

Like, is you just tuck it and you like just fucking just hope for the best that it goes away at some point.

Like every time you wake up in the night, you're just completely just bricked, dude.

Like every time.

There's no exception.

Is this okay to talk about it?

Let's talk about it for a little longer.

Yeah.

Let's keep it going.

And then

the, so yeah, you don't need to have.

So that's what, so I took it.

I was like, dude, I'm not getting that much darker.

And then I went out in the sun one time and I was like, like 20 shades darker just from like 20 minutes of the sun.

You're like, whoa, this stuff works like crazy.

I have a class and it lasts.

I had a picture on my phone.

I'll send it to you.

The first time I ever took Melanitan 2, I went outside for maybe 25 minutes, 25 minutes, and came back inside.

And before I came back inside, I pulled my shorts up to see what I was.

I was like, dude, it is a hard line.

Hard line.

I'll send you the picture.

Like, it is wild.

Like, you're at the combo for a week.

It's insane.

And you wear the same exact length shorts for a week.

And it stays.

If you go sit outside, maybe if you run land tan and you run it sit outside for like maybe like two or three times and then you stop going outside.

I had the same tan lines for probably like six to eight months.

Like they stay like they fade, but they stay for a long time.

The only thing I will recommend against is doing it like right, like either side of your belly button.

Because like you'll get what I got for like a year or two was like little

circles where because I'd I'd go either left side or right side of my belly button that like just little bit of uh sub-cube fat right there.

Yeah.

I go on the side.

Yeah.

And that's probably why it was probably better because you don't get as much sun right there.

Yeah.

But like obviously you get a lot of sun right there.

So I had like little as everything else faded, but I don't know if it was because that area was concentrated.

Yeah.

And there was two little circles for like, I feel like two years.

That was crazy.

That really annoyed me.

Two years?

They looked like, yeah, they looked like little birthmarks almost.

Because they were just like lightly brown, just like kind of like ovals right in that area.

Yeah.

It's crazy you guys do that.

Like, I'd rather bring out my umbrella, you know.

I don't ever do my face.

I always cover my face.

I just don't want to look like I like

from the rice fields.

Yeah.

It's always grass is greener, man.

Like

white people always want to be more tan and like Asian people, it's like the white makeup.

Trying to look as like pale as like being more pale is more like desirable because it shows

a hip-hop star, honestly.

Yeah, I mean, you do.

Mine is honestly just for the gym, dude.

I really don't care, but when I go to the gym and I try to take content or pictures, dude, you're not tan, you get flushed out so easy.

Yeah, that's what's the biggest reason for me.

Are there any like uh concerning side effects with melano tan too?

I know

there's like one crazy side effect or something, too.

That's like totally unrelated to

well, it's insane nausea.

If you take so, I

have a story where I

grabbed what I thought was my vial of growth, and I took at like 8 a.m.

I took like 20 units, which I usually take like four

before bed.

I took like 25 units of actual like water, and I looked at it.

Well, I started feeling kind of like itchy.

I looked down, and it was

like, oh no.

And like six hours later,

it like hit me.

I was, I've never been so violently ill in my entire life.

Like, oh shit, it's really aggressive.

I had like,

it was, it was though my body was trying to, like, purge everything that I'd had in like days.

Like, like, I had nothing left to throw up.

And it was just, like, making me throw up.

Like, every 20 minutes, you can't move.

Like, you feel like you're just like so ill that you can't.

So, from like 4 p.m.

until like 10 p.m., I was just like...

puking and I would be trying to like drink Gatorade and just like puke that up.

Like it was, it was probably one of the worst experiences.

So, like, I'm very careful.

I put that like very far away from anyone else.

It's crazy.

I do half the dose they tell me to.

They give you like some dose to do on the bios.

I do like 10 units for

every two times a week for two weeks, whatever the dose is.

I just do half it, and it still works very well.

And I'm a bigger person, so you can get away with a little bit.

So don't take it in the morning and don't take more than you think you need.

Yeah.

Not going to go well for you.

Disclaimer is why bodybuilding is so safe.

No,

this is the risk we run run for sure.

I mean, we all know it.

I think it's fun, though.

I mean, that's

honestly, that's kind of what makes a lot of this stuff fun, right?

Part of it is kind of knowing the risk, but then trying to, like, it's almost like a game trying to mitigate the risks.

Yeah.

It's like trial and error, like learning what works, and then having the stories to tell.

Kind of cool.

Yeah, like Chase Irons with 5Gs.

Our own little science.

You guys ever like accidentally try to take your test and then instead you injected your bottle of liquid Cialis?

No.

I've never done that.

Never done that one just you

like that wasn't an accident no

was that on the deck the deck only cycle

only it still didn't work still just a noodle i've never used deca

never

you probably don't need to

you don't need to

all right i don't think you need to

i i just never

like that with all the stories i'm like People like, yeah, I get super watery.

I get super emotional.

I get super estrogenic.

I can't get it hard on.

I'm like, man, I feel like there's just some things I'm just not willing to

try out.

Yeah, it's not try out.

Yeah, definitely try out, but also like,

just like I always say, like, juice isn't worth the squeeze, right?

Like, we, like, of course, like, we all want to build muscle.

We're training really hard.

We want to do everything we can to like get bigger.

But, like, if I can't even, like, get hard, I feel like I'm just like, fuck.

It's the point of life.

It's everything to me.

And I don't have like a huge sex driver sex.

i was actually i was actually talking to uh

marks about this it's like

i i don't know how you are but like i don't have like a huge part of my identity is like my sexual identity like we both know like our buddy joel like it's like his whole like existence i love joel joel's hilarious but we don't know a guy who's just like

his whole like persona is like very highly tied to his sexual persona

and it's like he it's like rides or dies by that like if he's having a good like

run it's like he's got like he literally calls himself like he's in like god mode and then like if he's not it's like literally demoralized so like i'm not like that because he was having some some issues like after he had covet and like

he was like just demoralized um

but yeah so i don't think it's like for me like that was the biggest detriment for Deka, but I was like thinking like through, yeah, just like the just like the estrogenic side effects, effects if i'm already sensitive to that the like water retention

like if like how much of that weight is truly like muscle versus just like being a water buffalo yeah i'll see guys on a ton of deck and i just look at their like this look super unhealthy to me i think that's where like that whole like edema and like watery look i think that's where especially when guys are like super deep off season and their faces are like this and i'm like i just feel like that's where i'm like i just don't think you're very healthy yeah uh but i don't i don't think

I don't think it's something that we can pin down to certain compounds, such as DECA.

No, but I think DECA does increase water retention, it does increase it, but I'm saying, like,

would you guys agree?

Like, when guys are deep off-season, there's usually

like, I know the compounds are usually less harsh and there that are associated with prep, but like, I feel like that's what really gets bodybuilders in trouble is like the super high set points of body weight relative to themselves.

Because, like,

I think for

me, 276 now, 277 is not like doesn't feel uncomfortable at all because I'm 6'1.

Yeah.

But like, somebody who's 5'4 is 277.

That's like a whole different story.

So, like, do you guys think that like high

body weight set points, like you've never even gotten close?

Like, you're, you're brushing, you're getting just over 200, right?

Yeah, the first time he's ever been 205.

So, I think, I think somebody like you has like such a higher potential to stay healthier for longer doing the sport because you're just, you don't have to push higher body weight set points, like Media Markers that have to like get you know,

so are you kind of like are you just kind of focusing on how you know, just the heavier, the more like long, the more risk long-term?

Yeah, like the lesson.

It's not healthy, it's just like the strain on your body, especially like organs, heart.

Like, you're obviously pushing a ton more food.

And I just think, just from what I know, like when you're at those like super high set points and like blood pressure is usually higher,

your Your,

you know,

your output for your whole body is just like higher.

Everything's just like has to run.

That's why guys like you'll say like, oh, you go walk up a set of stairs and you feel like gas or you can't even tie your shoe.

It's like a joke, but it's kind of not a joke at the same time.

No, it's definitely not.

One thing is I'm guessed.

I think, you know, like us and, well, not like us, but like many of the best bodybuilders and best coaches make sure to like create their protocols around the fact that like you got to manage all the side effects associated with being too heavy because basically we are obese people that tend to take like a 16 week

allotment of time to suddenly get leaner.

Right.

And then we're like obese again.

So like

there's a lot of people that end up having to take various types of medications.

Yeah.

Right.

Telmasardin, is that a mime?

Yeah.

Assortment of other things.

But are there any like Are there any other protocols or peptides or anything that you guys use to manage insulin resistance, cardiovascular health, blood pressure, etc.

Obviously, the basics we already know all the time.

Metformin?

Cardio,

good fats, and managing your HDL and your LVL first, even though that's not the only thing.

There's just so many other variables associated.

Right.

Yeah, I mean,

if you guys have used metformin,

I've yet to use it.

Like, my, my, like, fast and insulin is always very, very good.

Plus, I'm like one of those people that doesn't have to push food as high as others to get bigger.

I kind of have to just eat to where like when I'm hungry

and when I'm full after I do start eating.

But like, I know for someone like you, you got to really push, like, when you get up in those higher carbon months, I think that's when like insulin becomes a like insulin resistance and those type of

side effects become more prevalent.

But I know you've been, have you taken any sleep set?

No, yeah, yeah.

Metformin, I think, is a game changer for a lot of people and a lot of people sleep on it, especially with how big, like for me, I've never had appetite ever since I was little.

It's my number one Achilles heel for bodybuilding and so when I am pushing food like I'll take MK and one of the biggest side effects of that is you know becoming insulin resistant and metformin helps that like a lot of people like oh take berberine like I don't think berberine really helps that much for a lot of people maybe it does but I haven't seen that for me or like clients it really hasn't helped a ton and metformin has um and also metform has a lot of other benefits as well um not just with like insulin resistance but also helps with like your blood vessels and things like that for your heart health um it can help you like lower your body fat percentage.

And so there's a lot of other benefits to it and people sleep on it, but it has it's it's very like multi-faceted multifaceted.

So

how do you feel with metformin versus berberine?

I've never taken so I took like I think I think I had metformin

in a protocol one time from my coach and I didn't I just totally brushed over it.

And then I like I was like, oh, I never took the metformin.

He's like, all right, whatever.

Like, I mean, at this point, it's what's done, it's done.

done but um yeah i also like my fast insulin is always very very like low and good so i never have like an issue with

yeah like i'll test my blood glucose levels in the morning when i'm taking mk and it like pushed it up to like high 90s like it's low hundreds and i don't want it to be like that and with metformin it dropped it down to like high 80s so It's a pretty significant drop, especially when you're pushing that much food that I'm pushing right now.

Yeah.

Like,

obviously, I always like to err on the side of the, I mean, I always like to

sit on the other, in the opposite perspective and argue points of like, should we be taking extra medications to combat things?

But I understand that, like, being a bodybuilder, if you're going to fucking take the drugs anyways, are you really going to not take the drugs that are actually going to benefit your blood pressure, your cardiovascular health in the long run, your insulin sensitivity, all these things that are extremely important for metabolic health, right?

Like, this is like the first.

This is like the biggest killer is all of these variables associated with metabolic health that cause cardiovascular disease so like are we really going to avoid any potential benefits that we'll get from these medications but then take trench helotessin

yeah i'm gonna take helotostin i don't know um i don't know it's a little it's a hard call but i feel like there hasn't been

from what i've seen um i haven't seen too many crazy disadvantages to taking things like metformin even though I haven't taken metformin myself.

I do know, though, that

some of these insulin or no some of these diabetic supplements and diabetic medications can cause some gi distress though and like berberine for sure berberine rala chromium these can cause some i mean it varies per person though right so like some people should at least try it and if it doesn't work for them they'd come off of it for sure but it'd be interesting to like see if like the berberin effect is like literally due because it is like almost an appetite suppressant for some people it's like slows down your digestion so it's like is the insulin management coming from the fact they're eating less?

Probably eating fewer carbs and losing probably some body fat, which also helps insulin sensitivity.

So is it direct or indirect?

I don't know the like pathways enough to say one or the other.

What do you guys think about

the GLP ones?

Like summer glutide and Trezepidide?

I love them.

This has been such a controversial conversation.

I had this conversation with so many different people like James and James English and freaking Kyle Wilkes now, too.

Because Kyle has been against it, James does.

I think James does not have to.

He's like the third person that he's like, you like barely can eat.

Really?

James English?

Really?

Yeah.

I think, well, I can't remember all the people I was discussing, but I think a lot of these people kind of like it, honestly.

Oh, dude.

The thing is, I've always sat on the other place.

Like,

that almost upsets me because I'm almost like

these motherfuckers are pussies.

They're taking the heart out of bodybuilding.

You want to struggle?

I just like, I feel like that's one of the hardest parts about bodybuilding is like putting yourself in the fact that you have to sit, you have to diet just day after day on these crazy low calories.

I feel like activity.

And like, I just know that like, I shouldn't just like, oh, like, like, just because it's hard.

Like throw away a potential possibility at something being beneficial for people, especially if like GLP1s can actually aid in preventing insulin resistance, right?

Which is probably one of the most important things for bodybuilders, aside from the fact that when you prep, you know, you, if you can improve your insulin sensitivity anyways.

But I feel like with the taking like the heart out of bodybuilding, I feel like, yes, and in certain preps, like you dig deep and you learn things about yourself and you, you know, you develop discipline and, you know, you grow as a person and whatever else with the heart of bodybuilding because you're struggling.

But I feel like also at a certain point, like if you want to win and be competitive, you want to do what's best for yourself to win because ultimately you're a competitive bodybuilder.

And I feel like these, you know, GLP ones, you know, like Trisepatide or Red Truthide, can really aid and benefit in that.

And also not make individuals struggle in their personal lives too.

Like, I know, like, a lot of people, when they prep, like, their mental, emotional health go down the down the drain, you know.

So it's like, if these can help that, especially if someone has like family and kids and their personal relationships, if it can help aid and like those be better, would you be against them?

You know,

that's my thought.

Honestly, he's just waiting for me to just fucking go on a like just GLP and like just like

like a

poster child parade right now.

Dude, I was like,

I am literally like, I am that dude.

Like, I was so against them.

Like, ah, these are like so bad for

us.

We should be saving this for like diabetics only.

Like, you know, it's really bad for digestive health.

And then

Tony was mentioning really good, like, high-level bodybuilder.

He like started micro-dosing, I think triseptide and he was like, dude, just try it.

Just like try it.

And I started off with some aglatide because that's all I could get at the time.

And I just did the smallest little amount.

Like, so, like, I think I was like, start off with like 0.2.

Like, I'm talking about not 2.5 milligrams, like 0.2 milligrams.

And I was like, oh my God, like, this is the best thing I've ever done in my entire life, like 0.2 every other day.

And I was like, literally, I would be like hungry for my meals, but I I would not think about food it was like so insane and I'm the type of person like I could eat a like

salad bowl like this big full of vegetables just to like try to feel somewhat like satiated

and

it's like completely reset my digestion because I don't have to like slam

like asparagus and cucumbers and zucchini like I would I would I would put like like eight zucchini in the air fryer and eat it for a singular singular meal, like eight full zucchini.

Damn.

And that's like, and that's like once a five times a day.

This isn't just like, oh, this is a one time a day, like crazy occurrence.

So that's like for me, it's just been that like low to moderate dose, like takes the edge off.

Like, I don't think about food.

I eat my meals.

I don't have cravings.

I've been able to reduce the amount of veggies.

I'm eating.

So I was probably eating 150 grams of fiber a day at least, which is just destroying my like regularity.

I was getting a lot of like distension and so for me I'm like hands down like try it if it's like something that you struggle with and I'm not saying like yeah it's about reducing the struggle for me that's like had other like health benefits like the insulin my blood works the best it's ever been I think it's just reduced inflammation overall for me just because digestive stress a huge you know stressor so like my C reactive would often be high and now it's like literally like zero so like my inflammatory markers are like gone so damn that's crazy I think it's just I can't say enough good things And right now I'm running reta retatratide instead, but triple A.

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If you were to fast for an entire day, like just drink a ton of water or whatever, and then you did a hot dog eating contest the next day, how many hot dogs could you eat?

If I fastened, I was on rotatrotide.

No, just like if you were just

like straight up, yeah, how many hot dogs could you eat?

Or is it like times?

Like one of the crazy, like what's the name?

What's Nathan's 10 minutes or 30 minutes?

What is 20?

I have no clue.

What's Nathan's?

I think it's only 10 minutes.

I'd buy four.

Four hot dogs.

I got no appetite, dude.

I think I could do it.

Let's give you 30 minutes.

30 minutes, I could probably do

how much can you fit in your stomach?

Probably could do like

60.

Oh, Oh wait, dude.

For real?

Oh yeah, it's the first time it'd be like it would be like a child, like child squid.

Dude, that is insane.

So I was talking to Evan Holmes last night and we were like really talking about how we're going to do,

like after I'm done with my shows, get off Reda, like we're going to literally do

like

30,000 calories and 30,000 steps in Costco.

Like, no, you can't leave until you do 30,000 calories and 30,000 steps.

Was there samples?

No, like you can buy, like you buy food.

Oh, oh, the Costco, like the hot dog and the corner.

No, like the 30,000 calories inside.

We're gonna go into Costco

and like basically like incrementally go in and buy like whatever, like muffins, cheesecakes, and like you know, the tables are still inside like with the restaurant area.

Okay.

Because it's all like kind of part of the Costco.

Okay.

So then we'll like set up a station.

In San Diego, it's on the outside.

Yeah, but it's still, you can still go to the outside through the inside.

Okay.

So we just basically like.

And we've had like, obviously other people there, like videographers and stuff.

So we could like set up.

Yeah.

And just like, let's say we go inside, get like a cheesecake, or you get like stuff you can just eat right there.

You can only have like the sushi, 30,000 calories.

I think we're going to probably do 30,000 total, so 15,000 each.

So 15,000 steps, 15,000, like total 30,000.

I was going to say, there's no way.

30K.

I don't think I could do 30K.

I think I could do 15.

We talked about how we could definitely do 15.

Easy.

Yeah.

Especially if you're walking around and you're like digesting.

Yeah, digesting faster.

Yeah.

Easy.

30, though.

No, I mean, we'll say, like,

I think what we'll do, I think what we'll do is we'll intro the video with both and then we'll see where we get to.

I think if we get to like, if we get to like 14 and it's like super easy, then it's like, okay, we might as well just send it.

I think we'll get to like 14, like, damn, we're ready to be done.

Okay.

Do you want to do it with us now?

Yeah, you give.

No, fuck now.

I'm coached by Patrick Dorian, and he doesn't allow that.

It's kind of fun.

But everyone, you guys.

Funny or at least stop by.

Where's this going began?

We're going to do it in

probably do the Costco by my place on Sepulveda.

Okay.

It's right near you.

It's like probably what?

It's like fucking what, four minutes from you?

Because you're right off of like Sepulveda in the 405, right?

You guys should all monitor this video.

If he doesn't get 15k calories and everyone give Eric some shit.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, I think it'll be fun.

I think it'll be a fun video.

I'll give you shit.

I'll remember.

Dude,

like, I thought I was like a food fanatic.

This guy, Evan Holmes, is like, literally was like messaging.

He started like messaging, and he was like, Dude, we should do this challenge.

We should do this.

You have to try this.

These donuts, he was sending me all these photos and shit.

And I was sending him stuff.

It was like, so funny, dude.

Talk about you get bodybuilders, start talking about food.

You probably wouldn't give a fuck because you don't

care for it.

Are you like a food guy?

I fucking love food, bro.

What's your go-to?

I used to smash Chinese buffets when I was a kid.

What's like go-to?

It's Chinese.

What do I look like?

Asian.

You're an idiot.

Okay, I'm sorry.

I can't tell the difference between like a Vietnamese and Laos person or a Lawation, whatever they're called.

You're going to dig yourself a deeper grave.

They all look...

Never mind.

Let's keep going.

Anyways.

We'll brush over that.

They look very similar.

That was right up there and insensitive with...

I didn't know if you're actually Chinese or Vietnamese.

Yeah, bro.

That was incredibly insensitive.

Really?

Yeah.

That was so insulting.

No, it wasn't.

Yeah, my family's going to watch this.

I'm taking...

No.

Are you...

I'm talking about it after.

It doesn't matter.

I didn't know what your ethnicity was.

Anyways.

Eric's trying to make me feel bad.

I'm not feeling bad.

I'm not listening to Eric.

He's trying to gaslight me.

Keep going.

Oh, I've always known Eric to have a massive, like, eat massive food volume, though.

So I kind of do have faith.

So what's

okay, like, if you had to have a cheat meal, though, like, what would be your go-to, savory or sweet?

Pizza.

No, actually, probably just burger fries.

That's a lie.

It's pizza.

No.

Pizza just has calories in it.

It's about as genuine as your androgen loads.

Oh, my God.

Okay, Mr.

I take take 300 tests and 200 oh so you know four i use a gh yeah 278 pounds believe me no one believes you no one believes you i like that man even though his health even though his health phase is double the dose of my health phase yeah still no i'm easy though what is your health phase like 100 100 well i mean i'm my my health phase will probably be different no my my um my aromatization is way different than yours like i romatize a lot less remember so i don't even do any primo on my health phase i just run my my trt double.

I don't know if you guys have experienced this.

I'll actually get more

because I don't take AIs anymore, like at all.

Joe?

Yeah.

Just Primo do it for you?

Yeah.

Well, that was my health phase.

This is like, I don't like Ten B A's either.

So Primo does do it for you.

So no additional.

But what I've noticed is like almost post-show, when everything comes way down, like is when I get more like

estrogenic side effects of like just more mine's always like nipples.

You don't think that's because of like fat gain?

Do you think that maybe that's it?

I think it's because you come out fat.

I mean, I've had a fat fucker pro-show before,

like, realistically speaking.

Um, so yeah, maybe that's part.

I think that's definitely part of it

because I've noticed like

in periods where like post-show, where like I'm usually pretty good, but then if there's like two days where I've like gone on a trip or like

just eaten a ton of garbage, like the next like morning, like the Monday after, like my nipples will be like kind of puffy and sensitive and i'm like what the hell like did i put on like fat that fast or is it like just the extra calories or whatever dietary fats but yeah no so for for me it's i just it's like i i don't have to run ais if i do the

at least one to one and then if i that's why all my tests only goes about four 400 450 even in prep yeah i mean honestly for anyone that's not like trying to be an open bodybuilder or like an experienced open bodybuilder or like the size of one like i don't think i would recommend ever running 300 megs of tests for a health phase, to be honest.

That's literally just like a mini cycle for most people.

But if you're an open bodybuilder, for sure.

For sure, you got to.

But I mean, just like you, like, if I like run more than

like 160 megs of tests, I start aromatizing where I need an AI or some primo.

And so in the past, I've only kept it to that for health phases.

But I don't know what the new coach is going to prescribe.

Prescribe quotes.

I wonder if what you're saying is true, though, because if when I was doing 200, 200, then I ran my blood work like HDL, LDL, everything's like perfect.

And like, you know, AST and ALT are like lowest they've been in a long time.

So I wonder if it does like have to do with, like, you're saying, like, I have so much more tissue now that, like,

I just have more receptors and it's just soaking it up.

And that's just what I need to just be at maintenance or homeostasis.

It probably would be.

Someone laughed at the word, someone laughed at the, at the use of homeostasis in bodybuilding.

bodybuilding yeah so it's kind of funny homeostasis is an insane word yeah but i mean i do like the way that kurt used it though

in his in the way that he explained it it kind of makes a little bit of sense where it's like your body does like adapt to what you're doing yeah it's like it's like the same thing it's like like his huge like people always ask me like oh do you feel super heavy at like 275 i'm like oh i feel light as a feather because i've been as heavy as 300 right like 297 298.

So 275, I feel like, oh, I can go out and like do some sprints and like, yeah, you know, pull-ups and I'm all good.

Whereas i think it's like so this is my new right light right so i think that's like what a lot of times bodyguarders say is like homeostasis well the biggest thing with that is it's also true with test doses too so something that i found really valuable that dr dean was discussing was that um it doesn't quite happen he's seen with superphysiological doses but if you're running trt right which i think all of us will probably be doing at some point regardless

Yeah, which all of us are going to be doing.

Don't put that on me.

When you're running TRT, there's a lot of guys that try to come off, right?

And the problem isn't like, it's actually really rare for your HPDA to not recover.

So a lot of the times you can PCD and can recover.

But the big problem with that is what he was stating is that your body tends to adapt to the dosage that you were running before.

So say that you were at 800 of a total nanograms per deciliter of a total test level before, and then you dropped down to like 300 or 400.

Your body wouldn't actually produce as much free tests as it did at that level of 400 prior to you running that TRT dose for a long period of time.

So that's where you start causing, start seeing a lot of issues in a lot of these men, is they're starting to feel the effects of having that lower free test or those, the lower like responses to the fact that they have a lower test level in general.

And then it becomes very beneficial for them to just go ahead and actually just run that TRT dose rather than trying to be off.

So what are your thoughts on like, this is a very interesting one.

And I think it'd be very hard for me to like wrap my head around.

And I don't think any of these bodybuilders are truly doing it, but like true on like cold turkey PCTing.

Because that's what like, yeah.

Because I think even when Samson says he's like off, I think he's still running probably like

probably like a 200, 200 kind of thing.

Well, I think some of these guys really do it because they believe in it.

Like Sadiq Katzavik, like I can tell he like really believes in it, that it's better and more beneficial for him.

And I mean, in my opinion, everyone's different, but my body i've just i'm gonna i'm gonna cruise for sure i'm gonna do trt i'm never gonna come off because i think the mental effects that i experience are just not worth it do you think that the

when you get back on the results are way more profound if you have actually like taken time off or is it just like not like because like i've friend it's almost the opposite like you do like you saturate more and more in the cell as you like continue on with it or is like i just don't think it's works like caffeine where if you take a month off caffeine and then you're like you have your first cup of coffee like woohoo.

I don't think it's like that with androgen.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I mean, it's

so my personal opinion is, is like any drug that you end up taking, like even if you fucking do weed, for example, like you take a tea break at some point.

And by the time you come back on, if you're at a lower dose, when you increase the dose, you your tolerance is reduced.

and you reap more benefits.

But if you come off completely of like caffeine or weed, you will notice that after a good enough period of time calculated based off of how much you've been on that substance, you feel like this crazy spike in results when you go back on it.

It's like an insane spike.

Like, you ever like, if you ever like

you ever like be with the homies and you like, they fucking run up a giant bong on you that you haven't smoked weed after a while and you get shot to the moon.

Can't you?

Yeah, same thing with like concept.

Adderall or same thing with caffeine.

Yeah, it happens to me all the time.

Like I'll freaking go on like a caffeine break for like how many months or something and I'll jump back on caffeine.

I drink 100 megs of caffeine and I'm fucking getting anxiety you know so it's like I think if you come off of task completely I'm sure you'll have this spike of results maybe temporarily potentially possibly but in my opinion from talking to some doctors and some more experienced individuals I think more often than not it tends not to be worth coming off completely for the repercussions that some people experience mentally and just from being on low test.

But it depends per person though.

That's the disclaimer is It completely depends per person.

Because some people actually come off and their test isn't even in a bad range.

Some people can literally come off and freaking come back like that.

Some people come off and it takes them freaking months to ever have their test come back in a reasonable range.

So

it varies a lot.

That's right.

But I was going to say, like, to

Devil's Advocate, for all the commenters or for all the people that say that, like, you should reserve GLP-1s for the people that truly need it that are like in a very bad and metabolic oh my god metabolic metabolically disadvantaged state that are actually obese and need it and can't lose weight like what do you think you would say to that I'm saying I'm taking ritopter tide it's not even FDA approved so they can't get it regardless so why do we why do they get it we don't yeah I mean yeah that's not the like if I'm taking ritopter tide which is not even like FDA approved so it's not even like getting distributed to people that have these issues and I'm not restricting it from those people.

So, yeah, it's also like it's their personal choice to be fat, like it's our personal choice to bodybuild, and we should get them.

I'm not saying that's their personal choice to be fat.

I'm saying that I feel like it's a whole bunch of little choices that led them to be to that point.

I think so, but some people are more genetically disadvantaged than others.

Agree without a fact.

I agree.

There's actually like a there's actually like a gene that

shows that I understand.

Yeah, so like I'd say if I was like Mr.

Fucking No Appetites,

if i was housing like some agent tide

like i think i'd be like probably more cognizant of that but i mean like and maybe i will be once reta is like fda approved but at this point i think it's also like the shortage is kind of

it's it's i think it's kind of like corrected itself after you know so many people now like started to be on it yeah i think supply has kind of started to catch up to demand

i do one thing that you did mention to me before though about jlp ones that i really liked is like

I've heard about this on other podcasts from other GLP-1 like quote-unquote experts I guess but the concept of micro-dosing GLP-1 which I think is honestly a super important concept for most medications and drugs honestly because I think there's it's very common for a lot of and no hate to them because I mean thank God for a lot of these

people and

that practice medicine, certified doctors, you know, I'm not one of them, but

like tend to tend to prescribe people at a dose higher than they need more often than not.

Yeah, like the amount of like times

I've talked to people that they're like, their initial dose is more than like I'd ever even like close to like half like twice as much of I've titrated up to in terms of like GLP dosing.

So like they'll get they'll get like put on two and a half milligrams of somagatite.

I was started on my like when I first got somagatite I was doing 0.2.

so like one

like 12th of

that like dose and I was doing it like every second or third day and what I found like and then I had clients or like the people that had gotten put on it they said yeah they told me to stick two and a half they said like literally they were nauseated by the thought of food like they said they woke up the next day and their like

girlfriend was making eggs and they said like literally they had to like go outside because they were gonna like vomit because it was like they were so repulsed by the smell of food i'm like yeah like don't you think that you should start off like a little bit like less like gut punch dosing like what's the harm in starting at let's say

0.5 milligrams or 0.3 milligrams and seeing how you tolerate it and then like and i've always found like with this stuff i just do every night or every other night and like let's say if i'm doing reta and i'm doing let's say 0.2 a night And then I feel like, okay, my appetite's even a little bit more suppressed than I'd like it because I still want to be hungry.

I still want to be hungry for my food and I still want to be digesting well.

So, what it allows me to do by micro-dosing it is like, I'll take a night off, or I'll take two nights off if I feel like it's accumulating.

And Reda kind of saturates over longer periods.

That's why I can take it once a week if you want to.

What I found is that allows me to kind of like push and pull

based on my biofeedback.

And if I'm feeling like, oh, it's like a little bit too hungry, so I feel like

my digestion is slowing down.

My regularity is not where I want it to be.

I was like, pulled off for a night.

Now let's put it back in the next night.

I like that for me.

But if you've taken,

like, let's say two milligrams of reta to three milligrams of reta like in one go, that's going to last you 10 to 14 days, there's no rolling it back.

Like you're going to be sitting in that for that period.

And so I think that's where I think micro-dosing, I just think.

People same thing with test.

I think even if you're doing TRT, I think it's way better.

Even vigorous Steve will do it like daily, even if he's on TRT dose tests.

And I think just keeping your

blood serum levels of these medications more consistent is always going to be better.

I just think that doctors are realistic that they know people are not going to like be that consistent.

They want the easy solution.

Like if they can just take it once a week, that's great.

But this guy that was my client that got it and didn't tell me before he took it

because he was like, all of a sudden not logging any food or like logging like 200 calories.

And I was like, what's the deal?

And he was like, oh, I got on SmackTime.

Like, well, you don't want to tell me?

Like, and he was like, yeah, my girl, like, my girlfriend's cooking.

Like, he's like, whenever she cooks, I have to get out of the house because I can't pallate food.

I can't.

He's like, I can't go to the gym.

I have no energy.

I'm like, yeah, because you're eating like 400 calories.

So I had to be like, dude, just like, try to drink protein shakes.

Try to get what you can in.

And he said he would drink like a half of a fair life shake.

Like the ones that are like 120, 140 calories.

And like, that's.

like the chocolate ones.

He's like, that's as much as he could like get down in a sitting.

And he tried to do that like three or four times a day.

So he's eaten drinking like 400 or 500 calories and he couldn't get out of it until probably like

it took him like 10 days until it kind of started to wear off.

And then he did.

And then I, he did what I told him.

He went down to 0.2

every, so down from two and a half milligrams into 0.2 every like second or third day.

He was like, oh, dude, this is perfect.

Like I can eat like.

24, 2,600 calories.

I have no cravings.

I have no like food aversions.

I'm like, just seems so like, so much of a no-brainer to me.

But I mean,

I'm not a doctor, so I'm not going to make any medical claims on this.

Just personal experience.

I feel a profound question coming.

I think that's one of the most important things that, I think that's one of the issues that people kind of discuss a lot: when a lot of people do take the GLP ones or they're prescribed, it prescribed this crazy dose to the full point where they can't even eat food, really.

So

they're just smashing highly

calorically dense processed foods.

And thus,

you know what's the result

like you want to reduce inflammation you want to increase and improve insulin sensitivity but now you're doing the opposite by changing your diet

biggest problem is the catabolism so if you're eating

800 calories and 650 of those are carbs and fats

like that's the biggest problem and that's why you hear like

the like uh

what's it called people were like coining it for a while like the face you get when you take like

Smaglotide.

What was it?

What's the main brand of Smaglotide again?

Ozempic?

Yeah, it was a Zempic face, like skull face kind of thing, because you just get sunken from,

and so that's why all these people were getting more filler because they were just getting so skinny.

Yeah, that's crazy.

From, because, like, yeah, like,

especially the like, especially like females that take it, they'll just like be like, oh, yeah, I ate, like,

you know, a spring roll today and

like uh half of a scone and you're like

okay that was like 400 calories of straight carbs and fats you're not gonna like retain any muscle

what do you call it um yeah i think um i would argue that probably that but also one of the more important things is really like the habit forming there's no habit changes because you know it's like the consumption of like what type of foods you're consuming right because if you want to reduce inflammation you know you just you can't be just smashing Doritos to fill your caloric intake, you know, and I think that's one of the most important things.

So the thing I would recommend before anyone just jump on any medications or peptides or whatever in order to have an advantage in bodybuilding or just lose weight in general is like

hit up someone like Austin Stout and just try to figure out what foods work the best with your GI tract.

And once you got your diet in check, or at least, at least once you try, you know, then I think these would be a little bit smarter as a choice.

That's just like a recommendation, you know.

Don't want to be a hypocrite or anything.

Yeah.

Um, do you guys want to jump to the QA?

There's a couple questions for the audience, real quick, and then we'll close up.

Yeah,

the Steven OC's, the Steven OC says favorite DHT with a 19 or

favorite DH.

Oh, if you take NPP, you probably won't be as watery and stuff as that guy, but that's not a recommendation because we don't recommend control.

Favorite DHT with a 19 or

fast and trend.

That's a freaking awesome stack.

Make you look crazy.

Satcha Stardust asks, Why are you all gay?

I was born this way.

Satcha Stardust.

That's a quite thing.

That's a little bit of projection there.

Yeah.

He's probably fishing, right?

He's probably just hoping that one of us would be like,

slide in our DMs, ask for some gay power.

Slide into Sanchez.

sanchez okay kst mario asks for eric uh from the arnold what do you think from the arnold what do you think did

sorry from the arnold what do you think you did better at the show compared to others there was a missing word in there uh two things one is just like not put as much pressure on myself to and just like really live in the moment enjoy the experience and just bring my best look and not like try to post about it or you know be like okay if i don't win I am a failure and like literally when I got second and I gave the dude that one a hug it was like totally genuine it wasn't like me being fake on stage I was like dude this was such a cool experience and I know I'm so close and it'll happen for me eventually and the second thing was the GLP just

was a game changer just like cutting the edge off and allowing me to sleep the sleep thing for me is very hard when I'm in prep and I'm that hungry I just can't sleep and if then you can't sleep now you're not recovering now you're not, like, you know, you're forcing training, and I'm never going to pull back on my training intensity.

So now you've got me pushing training intensity, not recovering while not sleeping, hungry as all hell.

And it's just a recipe for just not a good look, an inflamed look.

Like, I was always leaner than I probably showed on stage in previous showings because, like, the inflammation was too high.

I, okay, this is just really terrible anecdotal evidence.

And I think it's terrible because I think people should not really be injecting close to their show.

But before my

pro to BO, I was injecting some glutathione because I was like a little bit tired.

I was just wondering if it would help with inflammation.

And in a weird way, it kind of did.

Every time I injected, my weight would drop just a little bit and I would look a little drier.

So I don't know, but that's just anecdotal.

It might not happen for everybody.

And honestly, some people might end up having problems with their injections height more than it might not be worth it.

In your quad and can't do a classic clothes.

That'd be crazy.

That'd be crazy.

Tip is horrible.

So, I mean, like, I honestly wish I had my glutathione with me when I ended up having my knee injury before my following show because then I ended up being crazy inflamed, right?

Like, my weight was like three or four pounds heavier than normal.

Um,

but I didn't bring it with me because I flew to Florida.

So, I don't know if that would have helped or not, but it was just a random thought.

And then, KST Mario asks for Mark,

what do you think can be done for men's physique to better the class?

Oh, God, that's a tough one.

Um,

give me the first place.

Yeah, give me first place.

No, I think that men's physique should judge more on the legs.

I see too many guys in men's physique and they look like they're running around on like chopsticks and pencils.

And just because their body is way overdeveloped and they fit the mold.

But I feel like if you have a guy with the craziest upper body on stage and his lower body doesn't match at all, he should not be in the call-outs.

It doesn't matter if his upper body is the best on stage out of everyone.

If his legs don't match, he's so unproportioned that he shouldn't be in the college.

He should be like second or third.

And so, because I think you're a proponent of doing like almost more like

kind of Europeans.

Well, they already have tight.

It could be, yeah, the shorts are already a little shorter and tighter.

A lot tighter.

Yeah, a lot tighter.

But I think just the, because you can see the shape and the balance of the physique, even with the shorts, even though they're lower, I just think the balance needs to be there.

Like there's a couple of

say the name.

I don't know.

There's like one guy, City Pouye, like he's incredible upper body, but his legs, and it's just a genetic thing, I think, because of where he's from, but like his legs do not match whatsoever his upper body, like at all.

And it's something like he's winning shows, but it's like, dude, you're walking around like on legit like chopsticks up there.

Like it doesn't look good.

Like, how are you even in a call out if your body's so disproportionate?

It doesn't matter that you're body.

I have trouble believing that, though, in terms of like genetic

predisposition.

If you're that blessed to be...

That anabolic upstairs.

Like, I just don't think that you're like all of a sudden going to have like no ability to grow tissue in your legs.

I agree.

I agree.

I agree that the training intensity and everything, like they obviously don't put as much into their lower body as they do the upper body.

But, you know, for example, there are certain like places in Africa where like the, you can see like how far up like their calf inserts you.

Yes.

Calf's different.

I'm talking about things like

squad, hamstring, inductor.

Yeah.

And so I think that it just, there needs to be more emphasis put on the legs and men's physique.

Like Ryan Terry, I think, is the best example.

Brain Hendrickson's a great one, too, at a perfectly upper body and a perfect lower body for the division.

They match perfectly.

So I just think that the legs need to be judged more because I think bodybuilding, no matter what division, should be about balance.

And there's, I feel like it's too unbalanced.

So do you think, what about like going to like more of like the original OG, like classic physique?

I would support it.

If they did that, I would not be upset.

If they didn't do it, I wouldn't mind.

But if they...

Burn it wouldn't be upset either.

Do you think that their posing would stay consistent?

Or do you think they have to like, do you have to change men's physique posing?

No legs are included.

I think you could keep it the same, but you just have to learn to probably flex your legs while you're you'd be more of a whole body when you're hitting your poses.

Yeah,

hey, I'm all about it.

Yeah, let's run it.

I like training legs.

So there's a million things I wanted to talk about still, but um, unfortunately, we're just we're running out of time, so we'll have to talk about next time, like the trend smell.

Um, Charlie DSPR uh

went ahead and asked my question before I got to.

So, if you guys were going to leave the earth tomorrow and you had one message that you could send to the entire world today,

what would the message be?

That's a lot.

That's a very deep question.

I'd say like we live in a world that's so predicated on like

dopamine, what's next, like comparing yourself to others.

Like social media allows you to just like have a barometer for like anything.

Like what does success look like?

And i think that my one

thing would be to like slow the fuck down and like understand like

i'm so present in this moment right now i'm not thinking about what's happening later today i'm not thinking about what's happening tomorrow and if you can live and be more present in every single moment that you are experiencing um whether that be with your family or friends um because the journey is it's it's everything like the goals and the endpoints always gonna be changing like if you think you have a goal of making, let's say, $10 million,

you're going to get to $10 million, like, damn, like, what's next?

Like, $50 million or like anytime, like your goal is going to be a moving target.

And the journey is what's the most important thing, the lessons you're learning along the way.

But you have to actually be present in the moment to understand those lessons.

And also, like, and understand this moment right now is never going to happen again in your entire life.

And so, if you can live with that expectation and trying to maximize every moment with no expectation of what's coming next or what you're going to get out of it, for me, I think that's been such a life-changing epitome that I've really tried to embrace over the last especially 12 months.

That's awesome.

Again,

I think that

what I would say is it kind of similar to what you'd say.

Like what matters in life?

Like what are the things that actually matter?

It's like you have relationships, your health, because without your health, like what is all the money in the world?

You know, which might sound a little bit hypocritical because I bodybuild, but your health, your relationships, your family.

And I would say put more time and energy into the things that actually matter.

Because at the end of the day,

that's really what I feel like we're put on this earth for.

You know, if you're a person of faith and your religion, into that.

But you only have one life, like, don't waste it.

You know, I see so many people who get complacent and they have so much potential, and they might let other factors or other people, what other,

you know, people's opinions

affect and determine the way they live their lives.

And they sacrifice a quality of life or their goals or their dreams because they are scared to do something or scared to step out of their comfort zone.

And so I would just say, you know, try your hardest, do what you want to do.

Don't waste your life and pretty much don't give up.

Put the energy into what matters in life, which is your family and relationships.

I love that.

That was awesome.

Thank you guys.

So we got Marcus Hunter, also known as Marcus Fit on his social media socials, and then we have Eric Jankey as Eric Janeke on his socials.

Check them both out if you don't follow them.

So I'm sure you guys have seen their content.

And that was a really awesome podcast.

So I just wanted to thank Transcend

for hosting us at their HQ with this freaking awesome equipment and

really amazing accommodations, even though Marcus disagrees.

And

just Corey, dude.

Yeah.

And

I do just want to say, like, obviously, if you guys have a different source or anything where you can

find

the things that you need for yourself to become better and become healthier and just live a better quality life, then, of course, go to the things that you can afford.

You know, I don't want to put, I don't think you should ever put yourself in a more stressful position than you need to be.

But if not, you can't afford it.

The thing I do really like about places like Transand is

just like you guys have heard me say a lot of times I find a lot of value in coaching from bodybuilding and I think that's a place that has guided me in areas that I've been very

confused about and I think that's really important when it comes to your health so like finding a really good doctor having coaching in bodybuilding and then Transand offers some amazing coaches for peptides various medications and just optimizing your health as a man so it's an opportunity you don't have to but it's a good opportunity So, anyways, thank you guys again for listening to the podcast.

I always appreciate your support.

I think us all supporting each other has been probably one of the most amazing things that I've been able to experience being in this field.

It makes me really feel like bodybuilding as a community, and I think is also what will propel us all to be better.

So, I really, really do appreciate all you guys' super positive energy.

So,

love you guys.

Peace.