Durrah: Olympian Reveals His Off-Season Dosages

Guys, we have Mahmoud Aldora.

I'm not saying to grow, you need eight units, absolutely not, but for growth hormone to cause a growing effect, as I get older, the waist gets big.

And I'm gonna like test it out first.

So, I'm gonna start dieting.

I'm gonna see how I look in six to eight weeks.

After I pose, I do like a couple of videos.

If my waist isn't where I'd want it to be, then basic peak week protocol.

Three days before the show, I would introduce carbs again.

Sodium stays the same.

The last 48 hours, that's when I'll have my first one-third pillow.

At around 12 p.m., it was like lap eight.

I'm carrying like a nice fourth place position, and this dickhead behind me, and he kind of hits my tail.

So I slide, obviously, and I crash, and I'm back to last place.

So, what I do is, instead of finishing the race, I wait for him.

And then, when I see him in the mirror, I come next to him, and I'm like, Yeah, you like that?

I saw a clip of him where he's like, Everyone should be on test.

I'm not supposed to say that, but he's like, He's not wrong.

So, my craziest off-season cycle.

1,250 of 600, 600 and rules to follow in relationships.

Well, here's the thing.

Before starting this podcast, I just wanted to say that ideating steroids for a full show is not widely accepted because it discounts the real work, which is the backbone of this sport.

And unfortunately, spreads that an unsafe chemical solution is all you need for results.

Both of these are antithetical to society's understanding of the sport.

And while there will always be some that claim that PEDs are all you need, I would like to deliver an honest message of what is required for achieving top performance as well as the dangers associated with this route.

I received this comment from a user named Night Scarens.

But just as a rock climber, the athletes undergoing this path in the sport are willing to put their life on the line for their passion, just the danger between the two sports is different.

Luckily, we do have safety nets in the sport, such as organ imaging and regular blood work.

but that doesn't change the high risk one must accept in taking on this competitive lifestyle

what's good bruv

i'm doing well bro how are you man you look what the is

what are you running right now

me just uh just your basic dad cycle bro you're 500 milligrams a week that's cap you're a liar

swear to god

I swear to God, 500 milligrams is a test.

Your arms look fucking insane and your jaw looks chiseled.

I have been doing cardio.

That's the only thing I've changed.

20 minutes, Stair Master, but I'm doing that for health reasons.

The anabolic cardio, gotcha.

Well, you know, I don't lie.

If I was doing a thousand, I'd tell you.

Okay.

No, I believe you.

I believe you.

By the way, real quick, it says,

You joined in portrait orientation.

I don't know what the fuck that means.

I've never seen that in my life.

So it says you may want to tell them to switch to landscape orientation so it matches yours.

Oh.

Is that a thing?

Oh.

whoa all right good good yeah damn bro i'm honored you uh upgraded me from your desktop to your phone

oh

it's it's but because my my it's because my camera on my um

on my on my

desktop or or fucking laptop is not as good as the phone.

Really?

Even though I have an HD camera.

Oh, that's...

What?

yeah what camera is that i don't know some logitech thing that i got from amazon

maybe that's why because it's from amazon probably yeah everything on there is fake

shit's gas though have you ever uh you ever bought something from amazon and then just been like i don't really like this anymore and then uh you return it but then you

all the time keep what's in there uh oh like just return the box Yeah, or

you get something from Amazon and then you accidentally break it.

And then you're like, yeah, it came broken and then you return it.

I'm the type of guy that would do something like that.

I can't remember what.

I've done that with Wayfair.

Wayfair?

Yeah, I got a huge podcast table and it was broken

and like one of the legs were broken.

And it was like, I think it was like $800.

So I took a picture and I was like, refund this.

And I was like, and I, and then I said, and I can't bring it upstairs back outside

because I had back surgery.

So I'm just going to throw it out.

And they refunded me and I just got someone to fix it.

Nice.

Yeah.

Sick.

Yeah.

Fund these corporations, man.

They make enough money.

Yeah, exactly.

It's customer service for you.

That's why they're awesome.

That's why we love them.

Exactly.

How's that dad cycle going, bro?

500 milligrams of test right now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I am taking three units of GH with that.

Okay.

Not crazy at all.

No, that's it.

That's all I'm doing.

Those biceps look pretty fucking huge for 500 megs of tests.

They're not bad, man.

They're not bad.

I feel like you look bigger and more ripped than when you were on the podcast in person last time.

Probably.

I would hope so.

Because

it's been several months.

Wait, wait, why?

What have you been doing?

since nothing because like when i went on your podcast i think it was shortly after uh I did the hair transplant in Turkey.

Oh, gotcha.

So I wasn't able to train for a month, and then I saw you.

When did I see you?

Like was it April, March?

Yeah, sometime around earlier this year.

Yeah, so I've only been back to training for like a couple of months.

Oh, so now I'm like full-blown.

You know, it's been almost a year.

How much time have you did you have off for the turkey thing?

A month.

A month off.

Okay.

Can't lift a dumbbell in a whole month.

For an entire month?

I think I just had a pod with Terrence.

You know, Terrence Ruffin.

I think he said his was like two weeks.

Yeah.

But oh, is this the same place?

I needed a month off.

So they told me.

Is this the same place in Turkey that Seatmungbled is here transferred?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've been thinking about this for a while now.

I mean, it's not bad.

It looks fucking good, bro.

Yeah.

It looks pretty fucking good.

Yeah.

How have you been, though?

What have you been doing

since the podcast?

What's your training regimen like?

Train legs twice a week and then four days on, one day off.

Train

legs twice a week?

Yeah.

Okay, twice more than me.

Nice.

It's because I'm thinking of competing again.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

So that's what the questions from the QA were asking.

Have you been?

I don't know.

I only saw the ones you sent me.

Did you mention it publicly?

On my YouTube.

Yeah, I was like, I was thinking of coming back.

So here's the thing.

I said, if I sign with Raw,

I'll maybe do a comeback.

Like just one show in classic, not even 212.

Whoa.

And I really, like, I wasn't really sure that was going to happen.

My Retcon 1 contract ended in September.

I was with them for five years.

And I just signed with Raw five days ago.

Congrats.

Nice.

Thanks.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Awesome.

That's fucking sick, dude.

Like I said, I just saw C-Bum's protein at TJ Maxx the other day.

Oh, yeah.

They taste really good.

I'm just messing around.

I haven't tried it, though.

I heard it's actually really, really amazing.

It is.

It is actually very good.

Yeah.

Not necessarily the C-bum line, but just their isolate is pretty good.

Hmm.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

But I was using them prior, which is why I was like, oh,

I hope I signed with them.

So what got you into wanting to compete again, aside from the new sponsor?

Was there any like

anything?

No, I just I don't know man.

I just miss it, bro.

Yeah,

I have been doing other stuff.

You got in the comments the whole sim racing thing.

It's funny I messaged

I DM'd C bum about that because he has a Porsche.

And I was like, well, now that you're done bodybuilding,

you should get into the real challenge.

Like bodybuilding is easy compared to this shit.

And he was like, he was like, is this stuff legit?

And then I sent him a clip of

me racing on there.

It's pretty intense stuff.

So I've been doing that.

It's that thing behind me.

Yeah.

So I've been doing that, but fuck, I missed competing.

Like, I just want to do one show.

I think the goal is I want to do one show that I coach myself.

Okay, gotcha.

I've never done that.

I've never done that.

I've always had someone telling me what to do, blah, blah.

But I think at this age now, and after all these years, I think I can coach myself.

And I think that would be a great way to market my own coaching and all the stuff that I do, you know?

How old are you now?

I'm 38.

Dude, you look fucking young.

Do people tell you that?

Except my ex.

Yeah, well, fuck your ex.

That's it.

Everyone else, yeah, I got 31, 32, something like that.

Yeah, that's a big ass deal.

Like, I bet if you shaved your beard too, it would be like pretty much.

If I shave my

beard, I'm like 20-something again.

No, for real.

Like, I feel like that makes all the difference.

Like, I got, people started guessing my age three years older than they normally guess when I started growing out the mustache.

I bet, you know, little hair transplant, little clean shave.

That's at least

yeah, but all the chicks like the beard.

All of them.

They do.

yeah.

It's the strangest thing ever.

I'm like, you don't like me.

I tell my girl, like, you don't like me looking younger.

Yeah.

Like, no, no, keep, keep the beard.

I like the beard.

I mean, I know there's some girls that like it clean-shaven, but fuck them, honestly.

Yeah, who cares?

Exactly.

I'm literally thinking of two specific friends that I know.

I always give them shit for liking it clean-shaven.

I'm like, yeah, do you also like the meeting?

Probably.

Exactly.

And they like maybe like much lighter tones on a guy.

Like blonde hair.

Usually they go hand in hand.

So either a chick is like into darker features, like darker eyes, darker skin, darker hair, beard, or they like him like pretty boy, lighter eyes,

lighter hair, lighter skin,

no beard.

What?

So darkened beard isn't pretty boy?

What are you trying to say?

No, I don't think so.

Look at us, bro.

Me and you,

we don't look like pretty boys, no?

Yeah, we can, yeah, maybe.

Kind of pretty.

Yeah, there's a saying.

It's an Arabic saying.

It's like

a monkey is a gazelle in his mom's eyes.

A monkey is a gazelle in his mom's eyes.

Same applies for the girlfriend.

That's true with me, though.

This monkey is

a fucking stinky monkey in my mom's eyes.

Yeah.

She probably sees you as like a very handsome, pretty boy.

My mom?

Yeah.

My mom doesn't have the best views of me, bro.

Oh, really?

Probably because I'm not a dad.

We're going to the sensitive area now.

All the traumas and stuff.

Mom, my mom doesn't think i'm a gazelle man

that's funny no it's kind of funny that you say that because i never ever thought about that until now that you just said that now um my current girl and whoever i was dating like previously

they both liked me for my dark skin and they liked it when i had facial hair on

and then other people that I thought of like the opposite and I'm like wow that's crazy you're kind of right but there's a little bit yeah it's either this or that

Have you ever used Mendoxedil or any of that shit on your beard?

On my beard?

No.

Freaking.

Wait, what's your

ethnic background?

Middle Eastern, American.

Yeah, from Egypt, right?

Yeah, Egyptian.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I shave my beard and it's fully back in two days.

Yeah, I was going to say, you literally don't need that shit.

Full back.

Yeah.

So like, even if I make a mistake sometimes while shaving and I shave it off and let's say I'm not seeing my girl until like a couple of days I'll shave it off and I'm like it's gonna be fully back in like five years

which

which substance do you think affects beard growth or increases beard growth more a test or GH no test for sure test for sure yeah

absolutely test grows all your hair everywhere it does yeah even in the places that you don't want it to grow

facts

I um

when I was younger, I always thought, like, you know what, I'm probably going to be able to grow a beard finally when I'm like around 27 because that's when my dad's beard started growing when he was 27 years old.

And, you know, most Asians can't fucking grow a beard worth shit.

Yeah, that's true.

But then when I turned 27, I started growing it out, but it started growing like really quick and a lot.

And even though my dad grew at the same age,

I think it was just a test, honestly.

The test, 100%.

I think it was the test.

Bro, no one in my family has

as much back and shoulder hair as me.

My dad said, Yeah, my dad's like 74.

He doesn't have back hair at all, at all, zero.

Damn.

Yeah, Arabic man, zero back hair.

Me, if I let it grow out, no good.

Well,

good thing they like beards and hairy men, anyways.

Exactly.

Yeah.

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I mean, I'm excited to see you.

I'm not sure.

It's weird because, like, as you get older,

like, you don't have that same motivation.

It's just like an itch to get back in there, but it's not the same for you.

Yeah, I mean,

like, I want to go through the whole thing again, but at the same time, I don't want to diet.

Yep.

But I'm like, you know what?

I mean, if I do diet, that's going to be healthy for me.

But then the gear, so I'm like, okay, fine, I'll do classic, which means I won't have to gain any muscle.

I'll just have to cut down.

And, like, my condition for myself-I don't mean my condition like my body fat, like, the condition to compete

would be to stay on the same cycle that I'm on right now.

Okay, I don't want to add anything else except maybe

add T3.

That's it.

What's your weight class, or what would it be?

I'd be under

187 or 186.

Okay.

Does that make you like, are you like 5'6?

I'm just like a tiny bit over 5'6.

Okay.

So I'd be around the 186.

That makes sense.

Mine's 196, and I'm just over, I'm like 5'7.5.

So how much do you weigh right now?

I'm always floating around 203, 204.

203 or 204.

Hmm.

Okay.

Yeah, just 500 tests.

Like, I'd have to lose 20 pounds.

Yeah, around 20 pounds.

Keep my muscle mass.

I need to bring my legs and hamstrings a little bit up.

Everything else kind of looks okay.

My upper body is always like, if anything, I need to stop doing chest.

Just stop.

Yeah, you got some double D's going on.

Yeah, bro.

I swear to God, my chest worked outs.

Three exercises, two to three sets each.

That's it.

Three exercises, two to three sets each.

That's it.

And

how many times do you hit chest the week?

I always try and skip.

So like it's usually once a week, and then after

sometimes where it's like it starts at the end of the week and ends or like

sometimes every either 10 days or every seven days.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

I mean, to be honest, like three sets of three exercises is, I think, pretty decent volume for a single chest workout.

It's nine sets for your chest already.

Yeah.

It's over six, so you're definitely hitting like your minimum.

I don't, I don't, that's not the term to use, but you're definitely hitting like the minimum amount required for you to.

I do way more for delts.

I do like four exercises, four sets.

I think.

I mean, it does differ per person, but I had to do the same thing as you did.

Like,

I had to have higher delt volume to personally grow my delts i don't know why i don't know if uh the whole i think delts are just very hard to grow for most of us maybe or maybe um some say that even though it's supposed to be like a 50 50 on like slow twitch and fast switch fibers i feel like sometimes it just responds better to higher reps or higher volume personally yeah like legs just like legs yeah exactly yeah so but i'm doing the same thing as you right now i'm trying to hit chess maybe like once every seven to ten days and And

dude, I did this one thing where I was literally skipping chest and it caused me some insane shoulder issues because I think

I just skipped chest for like two, three weeks or something.

And I think the tightness in my back just overcompensated and it caused me issues with my internal and external rotation.

So like my whole left arm, the muscles in my trap, my rhomboid, and my

chest were all so tight that it was basically like smashing the humerus into the socket.

So it's funny you say that because, like, I have been having recent shoulder pain that I've never had before ever since I've started the whole thing, I'm going to skip chest today.

Yeah,

yeah, especially like, like when I do lap pull downs, when my arm goes all the way up and

pull down back, it's like a little unstable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly that.

It's exactly what I said.

I feel like it's in my head.

I'm like, is it going to dislocate?

What's happening?

It feels fucking weird, huh?

Yeah, it feels weird.

I was like, you okay?

What's going on?

You know something that's fucked?

Like, my shoulder pain was really bad.

And then I went to like a physio and I went to an active release therapist, got some advice.

They're saying, you know, like, I'm probably having another form of impingement, pinching my super spinatus here.

So I need to do some external and internal rotation.

like some practices of internal and external rotation.

I backed off the back volume just a little bit and then like what like two days ago three days ago i hit like a pretty damn good like overhead press and inclined chest day with like this you know closer to the amount of volume i used to and the shoulder pain has been gone since so interesting yeah i think it was a combination of everything but it's weird because it's like you know and we want to bring up everything else everything else it's like what the fuck like how do i like what's the maintenance volume been for me to not cause my surprise?

I think maybe

like we can do shoulders twice a week as well, just like legs.

And then, with like one of the shoulder days, it's going to be like half shoulders, half chest.

Because usually I do, let's say, shoulders and triceps or shoulders and biceps.

So, what I want to do now, like, if I start prepping, what I'm going to do is shoulders

and like two exercises for chest,

six sets or five sets at most

um as part of like the front delt uh exercises hmm yeah i think that's a good idea i think like i'll start with rear delts two exercises one exercise for laterals and then three sets or two sets for front delts and then transition to upper chest one exercise two sets and then transition to flat one set max out high intensity drop set and then go do biceps or biceps.

Yeah, I think that's that's kind of pretty close to what I was doing, and what I feel like is helping me right now.

I think I'm going to start doing that, yeah.

More delts too, which will help in classic.

So, do you think?

Um, I feel like your waist has probably gone down a lot too, though, since you've like come off and you've been having a break in bodybuilding.

Uh,

so so, not very much, no, because I think as I get older, the waist gets bigger.

Yeah, yeah, it does.

I don't know why.

What is this?

Organ growth?

Everyone has different theories.

That's okay.

Well, I mean, it happens to everyone, regardless of whether or not you're on any BDs, right?

Everyone.

Yeah, as you get older, the waist gets bigger.

I just don't, it can't be organ growth.

I feel like that's way too minimal for people's.

I don't know.

I feel like it's just with our physiology whenever we

get older.

You know, yeah, so that's, I think that's going to be my biggest challenge.

That's going to be my biggest challenge.

And I'm going to like test it out first.

So I'm going to

start dieting properly.

I'm going to see how I look in like six, eight weeks.

And if I feel

like after I pose, I do like a couple of videos.

If I if my waist

isn't where I'd want it to be, then I'm not going to do it.

Okay.

Or at least my waist to leg ratio.

I don't have a waist to shoulder issue at all.

I have a waist to leg issue.

And I think my legs have to be either big enough or my waist has to be small enough.

So, when you're doing your actual prep, though, you're not going to add any like dryers or any like DHT-derived PDs?

It's because

I don't want to mess with my cholesterol at all.

And like, I'm a hypochondriac, bro.

Yeah, you mentioned that in the last podcast.

Yeah, the other day I was dizzy in my workout.

I think it's because I had too much caffeine for the first time.

And

like, I usually don't have a lot of caffeine, but this time, I guess I forgot that I had a cup of coffee and then I drank a pre-workout.

And I went to the gym and I was like kind of dizzy.

And like, when I looked quickly left and right, I'd get brain fog and I'd feel like unstable.

I called my doc.

One of my best friends is a doctor.

So I called him on a cell phone.

And I'm like, I think I'm having a stroke.

Do I go to the hospital?

And he's like, what?

I'm like, yeah, I think it's happening.

I think it's happening right now.

And he's like, bro, go to a mirror.

And then he drove to the gym and we started doing tests, those kind of like eyes closed to the nose kind of thing and walk in a straight line.

That's how like fucked up I am in the head when it comes to health.

Especially that we see

every other day on Instagram some bodybuilder who's

sick or ill.

And I, and bro, I see those posts and they are so

demotivating.

Like, you see it, I'm like, yeah, I don't want to do this anymore.

So I don't want to affect my health in any way.

Like, maybe

I can see myself adding wind stroll like the last six weeks.

So, like, 500 tests as is, GH, same dose.

I'll add T3

last eight to 10 weeks, and then I'll add Winstroll last six weeks and call it a day.

And this is a big difference from the clip that everybody saw by

that clip went viral, man.

It's like two and a half million views.

Yeah,

so many people that don't even follow bodybuilding at all freaking comment on that shit.

It's ridiculous.

And people are like, How are you not dead?

And I'm just like, bro, that's that's kind of like the average.

This is what a lot of people do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um,

fucking perceptions of dosages.

They're just numbers.

Um,

do you think?

Uh, I mean, I feel like the wind stroll will probably,

I don't know.

Some people in the audience might think I'm crazy saying this, but I feel like that wind stroll, if that's what you're going for, if you're not trying to gain any size whatsoever and you're just trying to get as dry as possible, I feel like that'll probably be enough.

I think it'll be enough too.

Yeah, like worst case scenario, maybe you add just like a little bit of Halo Testin in the last week or something if you really want to look a little bit more full.

Do you know?

I've never used Halo Testin.

It's my favorite.

I've never used it.

Is there a reason?

Is it as good as

claim to be?

Well, I mean, it depends on who you are.

About every single person I've ever talked to hates how they feel on it, except for me.

For some reason, I like it.

Does it give you the same feeling?

Have you used Anadrol before?

No, I haven't used Anadrol or Super Droll.

Okay, so Anadrol kind of makes you feel ill.

You don't feel well on it.

What everyone says is it just makes them feel very aggressive.

Oh,

yeah.

Oh,

okay.

But yeah, no, I've never tried it before.

I don't think I will, to be honest, at this point.

Like, fuck that.

I can't say it made me look really fucking full, though, bro.

Like, trying to convince me.

Just

try it for a couple of weeks, especially if it's your last run.

Like, you know, it's not going to

change much.

Cholesterol is just one week, right?

Yeah.

Just getting guys to your blood work.

I'm excited to see what you're going to look like, bro.

I think you're going to look insane.

Like, I was just shifting through your

photos from, I don't even know which competition it was, but I was looking through the pics so I could post something for the Q ⁇ A.

And some of your stage shots are fucking nuts, bro.

Like, how big you are, but, like, yet how defined and crisp you look in some of those photos is unreal.

But I was always...

I was always in like the top three when I competed as a pro.

I was always

like any show I did, it was like, oh, I'm competing.

So whoever's battling for the first place, like I'd be automatically assumed to be one of the challengers.

I was always very dry, especially in my prime, like 2019.

Those were the good years.

I missed 2020.

And even in my comeback, which was after my back surgery, 2022, I did Vancouver Pro.

I placed third after not competing for three years in the 212.

So,

but I didn't, I think that's, and that's why I stopped.

I didn't like my look very much.

Like,

there was a significant loss of volume.

Like, yeah, top three, amazing for a pro show.

Wow, after not competing for three years.

But when I looked at the videos and the pictures,

I was just like, fuck, you know, that's...

And you know what was strange?

It wasn't my, like my legs from the front were okay.

My legs from the back were better.

Because I think muscle maturity kind of kicked in.

So you see more of the hamstrings, the lines, those weird inner muscles between the legs.

But it's like the density in my delts and arms, especially my shoulders, and upper chest.

It's funny we're talking chest, but like on stage, like that area right here, that pop

was not there anymore.

Hmm.

And that's why I'm thinking, okay, maybe, maybe it'll work in classic.

Maybe classic will be enough.

Because, bro, and with classic, it's weird because like you see shows

where these incredibly genetically talented people, it's like you see them and you're like,

I'm not fucking beating that.

Like, no way.

And then there there are other shows where there's like no popular people in there and they look like amateurs and you're like

i could have done that and won that yeah it's very hit or miss sometimes it's it's like it's really like whoever shows up it really is

and then you kind of try and and you try and plan it right you're like well maybe i'll do india pro or something like one of those shows in india there's one show sharu i don't know what's it called

but then

probably some other

popular guy hasn't qualified for the Olympia yet.

He's like, I'll go snatch that India show.

And you go and you're like, oh, fuck.

Really?

Yeah.

Out of all the places.

So, like you said, it's hit and miss.

Do you think you'll be able to get like as a crisp and defined enough?

Because I feel like classic more so than 212 and way more so than open.

I just feel like one of the things that's winning for classic right now is just how much detail you can come on stage with.

I don't think I'll have a problem.

I don't think I'll have much of a problem with that.

You did have a lot of, like, you had a lot of detail for your size.

So

yeah, I don't think, especially, so if I come in smaller,

it's when I competed in 2022,

I remember before loading, before carb loading, when I was like fully depleted,

I reached 183, 184.

Okay.

But the thing is, I was on a lot more gear

than I'd be doing now.

I'd say like you'd probably subtract three to five pounds from that, maybe

dropping

gear and stuff.

I don't know, man.

We'll see.

I mean, we're still starting, like, the year hasn't even begun yet.

There's a whole lot of time anyway.

But I have a photo shoot in January, I think.

And I think from now till January, I'm going to slowly start like dieting for the shoot itself.

And I'm going going to see how my body starts to look because your legs go the first thing.

Oh, yeah, yeah,

first thing that starts to get smaller is your legs, and then you're like, oh shit, okay, I am not where I thought I was going to be.

This might just be bro science, but um, when I got my knee injury, when I had to stop doing legs and basically like I know what you're gonna say, your legs grew.

Uh, well, I actually wasn't gonna say that.

Oh, no, okay, I was gonna say, because sometimes we stop doing legs and for like a week, week and like it kind of like, you know, that, but that's bro signs too.

That kind of replenishes and grows.

It's probably, it's probably true when you've been like training so hard and you're depleted and then you like take off legs, like the

like lowering that stress and then also just the amount of volume.

Like, I think it's hard.

I think we don't realize how much volume we do when we do a hardcore leg day.

And it's a fucking

there's nothing, there's no other workout regimen I've ever done that's more taxing on me than a hardcore leg day.

So that's probably what I feel like that is.

But for me, it's like when I had the injury, I had to take off like it was like two weeks of me not doing legs or even being able to do cardio and stuff because I was limping the entire time.

After the show, and even like a week after, so it was like maybe two and a half weeks after I injured myself, bro.

My legs fucking shrunk into like string beans.

They got really defined, but they just got fucking so small.

And

did they get small like in your head or actually?

Because you know very well, like we always have the worst perception of ourselves.

Yeah, but since I was depleting for the show and also after the show, I came off compound, so I flanned out more.

Obviously, my entire physique flanned out, but the thing that flanned out and I lost the most of by far was my legs.

And, you know, as you said, legs go first, but I think the fact that I also wasn't training them, putting any blood in them,

I just, it's just kind of shocking.

And you couldn't even do biking?

no

it's just shocking to me how much you lose by just being inactive with your legs for two three weeks it's a lot in just three weeks so yeah it's like why why are you betraying me like that yeah

um i don't know how this can help ever but hopefully i'm like thinking maybe in the future if i really don't want my legs to uh flan out too quickly just to make sure i continue hitting them with proper volume yeah up until peak week or

yeah a few days before not even about a week

oh I forgot to ask

when you said the the thing when you were in the gym doing the caffeine thing what did the doctor say

um he's like well if you want to be extra safe you can't go to the hospital

but you don't have enough symptoms for anything

okay he's like like, they're going to tell you you either have like a virus or you're tired.

Did he say what he thought it ended up being?

Or did you figure out what it ended up being?

Yeah, I think I just had

a lot of caffeine.

A lot of caffeine.

Shit.

That's it.

Fuck.

Yeah, and it was also something else.

So I take NMN every day, 500 milligrams.

Okay.

How do you feel on that?

I don't feel anything, man.

I don't feel anything.

I'm honestly sick and tired of these fucking podcasts where they're always promoting some miracle.

HIG medication.

Yeah, that keeping your youth.

Like, you want to keep your youth?

Go fucking do Botox, man.

Like,

all these supplements, I doubt, do anything.

But, anyways, I'm still on it, right?

Because I'm an idiot.

So I'm on 500 milligrams and I increased to 750.

And then I chat GPT'd.

I was like, well, I increased my NMN and I had more caffeine.

Can they interact?

And Chad GPT was like, yeah, that sounds like

a good combination for dizziness and like disorientation, which was the symptoms that I was having.

I went home and I slept and I woke up and my eye was twitching.

And I felt better, right?

Yeah.

So I was like, okay, it was just an overstrain on my nervous system.

Okay.

Gotcha.

And then I read, yeah, next day I was fine.

I reduced my NMN down to 500 again.

Yeah, and I'm still taking it i've been on it for like several almost a year hmm i'd be interested if any of the listeners have are doing anime and if you guys feel anything

i've been advised to potentially try it too but i don't know sometimes i wonder

i feel like i've done

like even bpc and tv for some people some people feel like they have hardly noticed any difference

i feel like it's helped me in certain times like i feel like sometimes I feel like it's just in my head, and then sometimes I feel like I injected into my shoulder for the last several days, and I feel like my shoulder is so much better all of a sudden.

And I can't, I don't know why it is.

Is it because I did chest day, or is it because I added BPC, or is it both?

Yeah, I think it should be so.

It could be the BPC.

Like, I've tried DBC, BPC,

and I've tried TB500.

And I think

they do make a difference.

Like you notice it within a few, if you notice it within a few days, it's like, oh, okay, something's happening there.

Okay.

All right.

So maybe it's not just in my head.

Yeah, but the NMN, like, I don't know.

This is on Joe Rogan, right?

So everyone has to be like, okay, I'll give it a shot.

Maybe I'll look younger.

Yeah.

Or feel younger.

One of them does.

It's supposed to like

provide or it's supposed to like replenish the mitochondria for the cells and everything, which slows down the aging process.

is it really oh you say i look younger so

how

how is it different or how well i mean i feel like i should know this but how is it different than nad plus

in terms of oh so nmn produces nad plus

it's like a precursor it's a precursor it is a precursor okay yeah yeah i've been told this yeah oh oh

that was weird sorry video popped up

no i didn't see it was just my point sight my bad oh

Okay.

Do you think that there's any regimen or any like compound or protocol that you use that helped you get as conditioned as like the most conditioned you were when you were competing?

Substance?

No.

It was only T3 and Clin.

I hate Clint.

Worst thing ever.

Yeah, I remember you saying that.

Like jitters and shit.

Especially considering how you felt off of too much caffeine.

I could see that could be miserable.

Yeah, I am, I am not, I don't, my body doesn't deal like, I don't drink.

When usually I take pre-workouts,

I take half a scoop.

Yeah, I take half a scoop too.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, I try to, I mean, you and I are probably similar.

I try to keep my doses small with,

I guess, everything.

Except now, since you're a fucking podcast, I'm doing more tests, so it's all your fault.

I gotta bump those numbers up.

Those are rookie numbers.

But

I try to keep my caffeine

around 150, under 200 megs a day.

And then every time I like feel great in the morning and I don't have like a podcast or something I need to focus on, I just try to take the day off of caffeine.

Because

I always, I always, every day I have to have my morning coffee.

Like this is like a ritual.

And I think I do it more for the taste and the feeling.

I don't really like I don't, it doesn't wake me up.

I just

like I I just like the flavor it feels right bro it just gets you started yeah this feels right like

I think when you get used to it the flavor just feels like it kickstarts your day too yeah yeah I think I think that's what it is yeah yeah

the same way too it's annoying even on the days I have off of caffeine sometimes I just get some cold beer out of the fridge and I just take a little sip at least

I have to have my cup of coffee every single day

so wait how how long has it been since uh

your last last competition?

October 2022.

October 2022.

Yeah.

Okay.

Hmm.

It's only been a couple of years.

That's not

too not too many.

It has.

And then before that, my last show

was Dallas Pro 2019.

2019.

That was three years.

So

before like your straight consistent season, it's been probably about five years.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

What do you feel like your blood work has been like since you quit?

Or what?

I just had recent blood work.

Everything is fine.

Everything is fine.

Nice.

Knock on.

Now, do I got wood from somewhere here?

Yeah, I'm not going to wood.

The most thing that I look at, to be honest, for me, is

like my blood palettes, like RBC,

blood thickness, Hemocrats,

red blood cells.

I think the density of the blood is something that a lot of bodybuilders overlook.

That is your main, I think,

thing that you should be focused on along with the other tests that are related to the heart.

So circulation and heart.

Unless you're some jackass that's doing trend for 12 weeks and then halotestin for six weeks and then your liver is like screaming for help or your kidneys, your kidneys are screaming for help, then yeah, then you do have another problem.

But I think main issues for bodybuilders, circulation, heart.

Yeah, I can agree with that.

Aside from Justin Harris in our podcast mentioning his

his

plea for people to be a little bit more concerned about their kidneys.

because he, I think his, I think his argument was

that,

say, you know, like your hermatocrit's out of range, you can bring that back.

Your cholesterol is bad, you can bring that back.

But when your kidney, like your creatinine, for example, is over three, then you're done.

But I mean,

okay, so my question is, what does it take to get your creatinine over three?

Yeah, I think that would vary.

I've never, I've never had, so my basic creatine

as a Middle Eastern, I think because we're usually a little bit higher than

normal, than white people.

I think white people, they're around like 1.1 or something, something like that.

I'm always like 1.2.

Okay.

Like just 12 point, yeah, like a couple of tenths higher than the normal, but that's always been my normal.

And it never changed.

I don't know, but it never changed.

Even on prep, like I never went to like 1.5.

Do you ever take an astrologous root?

Who?

Astragalus root?

No, I haven't.

No.

Do you know what that is?

No, not even.

Okay.

It's just like a root and a supplement that people take for that's like pretty damn effective for your kidneys.

And you can actually titrate up the doses higher and higher.

And it always shows more benefits up to like

you probably don't want to go.

Most people probably don't want to go over like six grams or five grams or sometimes even four.

Never.

The only one issue that i've had

uh with my kidneys i did once a test and they saw protein in my urine

and i freaked out again the hypochondriac kicked in

i was like i'm retiring no more shows for me i'm done that's it and then we just did another test and it was fine okay just an it was just an anomaly gotcha yeah

yeah i I don't know.

It just differs so much.

I mean, I would say one of the causes for it, I think that's why it's kind of something that can.

But you see it coming, though.

Do you really, though?

I don't know.

It depends how much blood test, how much, I mean, I mean, you can't have, I don't know.

This is also bro science.

Can you have like clear urine and

your kidneys are taking a beating?

Well, the argument is that you're either in kidney failure or you're not.

That's the problem.

It's like once you already start seeing all those symptoms, crazy symptoms edema and shit

it's it's it's

oh there's no reverse from that you got some renal failure no

so and i think that's why it's really scary because it's kind of like it's almost like you know when you don't have any symptoms of a heart attack or or fucking

that's well that's the thing though you don't have any symptoms of a heart attack until it happens until it happens and then you're fucked right so i think that's that's the argument for both of those honestly and why people, why bodybuilders honestly should just be

pretty damn

like you, pretty on top of your head.

Hypocritiac with your health.

With both.

With both.

Because it's pretty fucking important.

And I'd say one of the common things I'd say for bodybuilders, because you know, there's definitely bodybuilders out there that do that, or guys that'll probably mix recreational drugs with their PED use.

Or say, like, I don't know, ketamine with trend or something like that.

Because that's...

That's nuts.

Yeah, that would probably be some fucking shit for your kidneys.

And

yeah, I've never had those issues.

Me, my biggest scares were always

circulation.

And like, I've once had like a minor clot in my foot after a very long flight.

So that's recorded in my records, like in the hospital records.

Bro, ever since any dull pain that I feel anywhere on my legs, I am at the hospital.

And I'm like, I have a clot.

I have a clot.

And like, I do the whole, like, I pretend like I'm having like weakness in chest, like I can't breathe properly, and like

shortness of breath.

And I'm like, yes, yes, I have all those.

I have all those.

Do the ultrasound.

Let's get it done.

And that happened.

I swear to God, that happened a month ago.

Damn, dude.

I had dull pain in my thigh, like in my leg.

And the thing is, like, I had a leg workout like two days prior.

I was like, I haven't felt this sore in a very long time.

And it's not like muscle sores.

It just felt like a dull pain.

And I was like, yeah, yeah, this is probably a clot.

And again, like, I, bro, I, my, one of my best friends is a doctor.

My other friend is a head nurse at the Montreal Jewish Hospital.

And I'm texting everyone.

I'm like, I have a clot.

I have a clot.

This is it.

I'm going to the hospital.

Are you sure you want to compete again?

But you know what?

That

saved me, I think, by being very health conscious.

I think it does.

Actually, one of the questions was

one of the questions was actually relating to this.

I think they were asking about relation about your relationship.

About relationships in general.

What was it?

Hold on, let me check.

Um

oh

Jami Hamed asks rules to follow in relationships.

Rules to follow in relationships.

Yeah.

I mean I guess.

That's a vague question.

Yeah, it's kind of a very vague question.

Whatever the f

well, I don't know.

Whatever, whatever the fuck your girl wants you to do, I guess.

I guess watch out for red flags.

No guy, best friends.

No guy, best friends.

Yeah.

I don't know.

That's weird.

That's

rules to follow.

Yeah, no guy, best friends.

No.

Well, that's me, but I'm kind of Middle Eastern, so I'm a little thick-headed with that stuff.

So, like, I guess no, yeah, definitely no guy friends.

Like, well, get out of here.

That's not happening.

Okay.

Um, no girls-only trips, really?

Yeah, like, if she's going to Miami, I'm like, just

like girls-only party big party, let's just

break up now.

Yeah,

yeah, just break up now.

No, man, that's the second one.

So, those are two rules.

Third rule is, um,

well, here's the thing: do you know what, you know, what the biggest problem I find with guys and relationships today?

What

they all follow like the Andrew Tate narrative,

which is like, you know, a girl has to do this for you, has to do that for you.

And you can have all these rules, like even me, like me saying, oh, no guy friends,

no Miami trips, all that kind of stuff.

But then

the person who kind of introduced these things, a guy like Andrew Tate,

the guys who are watching

are not Andrew Tate.

Like they are not making that kind of money.

Yeah.

And I, and I personally think that that is a big, big

factor in determining all these things.

Yeah,

like, why, why, why would she, why would she listen to you?

What are you providing more that she can't provide for herself?

I think that's the question.

So, let's say if a girl has a very, a very decent job, okay,

and she travels, she's able to afford traveling.

Well, what can your money do different

for that part, like for traveling?

Can you afford business class for both of you?

Can you afford way more expensive hotels than the ones that she goes to?

And if, let's say, she has her own place, well, can you afford a much bigger house for both of you?

Or are you also going to provide the same two-bedroom, one-bedroom apartment?

It's kind of the same thing like you can't expect a girl to be like yes okay

follows all the rules does what she tells you and you're just like not bringing something and i hate i hate the term what do you bring to the table but just like providing something that she isn't able to provide for herself yeah i think this is i mean when you're following something like that right when you're following some methodologies like Andrew Tate, I mean, I think that's like, if you don't have that, then

everything everything he preaches is

related to power, right?

Yeah, that's not for you.

If you're not making crazy amounts of money, that's not for you.

Like, I had a question on my Sunday questions.

A guy was like, he likes this girl a lot, but she's had like a couple of boyfriends, like two, two boyfriends before him, and he can't get over that.

And my answer was, like, bro, I've looked at your profile picture.

You're not doing well in the market.

Like,

you're not that good looking.

You don't look like you have money.

And you're not in a position to be like,

I don't like the fact that you, you know, had a couple of boyfriends before me.

Because

you can't do better.

You just can't.

And I think a lot of the problems is a lot of men are just not aware on where they also stand in the market.

yeah

sucks bro

um

i just my i i don't really i guess i don't have much to say about it now i just feel like there's the thing about

all that type of content like andrew t content or

i don't know fresh and fits old content and stuff is just no there there are some guys that i can't stand listening to

i just i i i their their their pose their position that like it should always be like this i think is just kind of ridiculous because it's just like in bodybuilding like there's just so many variances

there are so many variances yeah so it's like yeah not every relationship is is going to be like this some are going to have like some women are just going to want to do things for you because they want to you don't have to actually do all this crazy shit some of them exactly 100 100

or

you know people just care about different things it's just

I agree.

I agree 100%.

Like, some women will do these things out of nurture and love, not because you can afford necessarily stuff

more than them.

But what I'm saying is, you're not in a position to be picky the way, like, Andrew Tate preaches.

Yeah.

Unless you make that same, unless you have that same kind of power and money.

Or I would, yeah, yeah.

I would argue, or you have something else, whatever else else that is somehow of equal value to her that you give back just for the sake of giving to her.

Or something that, I don't know, like maybe you're

five or something.

Apparently, that's a trend now.

A trend?

Yeah, it is.

There's this video.

I'm going to send you this video where a guy goes and he asks a bunch of women, like, what's a deal breaker?

A deal breaker.

And then all of them say, oh, if he's under six foot.

really that yeah all of them like like 17 different women

that's crazy and i was like nice all right that is a crazy deal breaker yeah yeah so being a criminal that's cool you know

but like

if i'm over six if i'm over six foot i'm good my deal breaker is um five foot two or below five foot two or below you really or no deal breaker is uh five foot

anything above five foot two so above five foot two.

It must be strictly five foot two or below.

That's it.

That's

I'm there.

I'm with that.

I'm with that.

Or maybe, have they ever had a deal breaker?

Like,

if you're not on test, you're out.

That's a good deal breaker.

Yeah, it's a good one, right?

Yeah, because honestly, we live even like even the generation that we live in now, the world we live in now.

natural testosterone levels have been record lowest ever.

Yeah.

Get on test.

You know, I think everyone should, you know, no, I don't want to sound like that other YouTuber who's like kind of insane with the gambling.

Mahmoud al-Dura.

The dad cycle.

What's that guy, the gambler, who always throws chairs out the window?

Oh, Dougie.

Yeah, that's him.

Oh.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I saw a clip of him where he's like, everyone should be on test.

And it's like,

he's

not supposed to say that, but he's like, he's not wrong.

It helps a lot.

I think

for some people, it'll help a lot.

Yeah.

But there's also a lot of people that have like fucking 800,

you know, they're fine.

If you vote for Kamala, you need test.

Oh, God.

We go in there now.

Bro, it is unreal how

it's just unreal how this split has changed and how, like,

just

leftists have become more feminine and then

how Republicans have just become more masculine.

It's crazy.

It's just weird.

I don't know how that's happening.

What is happening?

Yeah.

Things are just, they're just swinging back and forth like crazy.

I don't know.

Whatever.

Fuck politics.

Anyways,

let's ask these questions because i think this was i wanted to do a q a for most of the podcast but you know how these go somehow we talked about a bunch of other random yeah we can do that shoot them one after another but um before i asked that i wanted to ask i think in the last podcast one of the questions was asking you about your craziest cycle and then you talked about that prep cycle I don't think I asked you more in depth about your off-season stuff because that was your prep cycle and prep cycles are always the craziest cycles.

But like craziest off-season cycles, and then also

your most sustainable off-season cycle that you would choose as like your regular.

That's a good question.

Okay, so my craziest off-season cycle,

I think it was around 1,250 of tests, 600 EQ, 600 DECA,

and 50 milligrams of anadrol a day for the first four weeks.

For the first four weeks, okay.

Yes, that was my craziest, and five units of growth hormone or or uh or six

that was my craziest off-season.

How long?

And that was again, that was again earlier on in my earlier days, not as I progressed, like not like the not when I was like a pro.

When I was a pro, my most sustainable, no, not sustainable, because like

my regular off season

would be around a thousand tests

and 600 EQ and that's it that's it sometimes I would change the EQ after 16 weeks so let's say offseason is like eight months right

eight months I want to put on a lot of mass

a thousand test the first four months I'm on EQ the second four months I'm on DECA okay and sometimes I would switch the DECA with, so like my off-season in my last prep,

when I was doing my comeback, I didn't use DECA, I used Primobolin.

Okay.

Yeah.

Now, the most sustainable off-season,

like full-blown bodybuilder, like 212,

open,

I would say 750 tests,

400 EQ.

This is like, again, off-season where you want to build and eight units of growth hormone.

Eight units of hormone.

How come higher growth hormone for this?

So I've noticed that whenever you're under six units of growth hormone, it kind of maintains what you have when you're on a caloric deficit and it helps you lean out.

When you want to build muscle, you got to be around eight units of growth hormone.

That's when growth hormone helps building muscle, like growing new muscle.

Really?

Yes.

And you know who said that as well?

Dorian Yates.

Yeah.

Well, Dorian Yates is also Dorian Yates, and he's also like the biggest fucking motherfucker.

So, um,

because I just, I don't know if I, it's a hard time.

I have, I'm having a hard time agreeing with like, that's how much you need to build muscle.

I mean, at the end of the day, it also comes down to a lot of factors.

Like you said, there's a lot of variables, like food.

How much protein are you taking?

And yes, the more protein, the more you're going to grow.

I personally feel.

And with my experience, whenever I was higher on protein, the more I felt I was building muscle.

Now, a guy like Jay Cutler, I remember in his videos and his prep, he was more on the high carb side, but like he was intaking a thousand grams grams of carbs a day

this was like 2006 2005 jay cutler

um

now the question is to ask well maybe is the protein like is it is it really high protein or just high calories

i think

i remember the vast difference between ronnie and jay ronnie was intaking crazy amounts of protein yeah crazy amounts like was it like 600 a day or something like that?

Yeah.

Crazy amounts.

Ronnie is a fucking freak for sure.

Yeah.

Jay Collar was more on the carb side, but they were both like, again, a thousand grams of carbs just from carbs is 4,000 calories.

I think it's total food.

I think it's total food, keeping your

estriadol in a good range for you.

Yeah.

And then that all affects your final result of how the GH affects you, including your IGF-1 numbers.

Whether or not your liver IGF-1 values is indicative of your systemic IGF-1,

I think it's all probably affects, you know, it probably affects your body similarly.

But I would still stick to the claim that for growth hormone to really

help in building muscle as opposed to burning fat, the dose has to be increased to eight units.

Interesting.

Okay.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Before I ask, okay, I want to ask if you ever felt like having...

Can you hold on a second?

Yeah.

What the hell?

Like, really?

You're on the phone on speakers?

No, someone's on, someone has something on.

Oh, sorry.

Okay.

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I was curious if you feel like this level of GH that you took

made any changes to your structure or like your proportions.

When I went over eight units, my waist started getting bigger.

And this is like I have the before and after.

Same pose, same lighting.

During the Olympia prep,

nothing changed except my GH dose.

I went from around six

to

15 or 12.

Like, like high.

Nothing changed except my waist.

Do you think you can change the breast?

And like, I immediately noticed, like, weeks after, my abs started to open up a little bit.

And you ate the same amount of food?

Everything was the same.

Everything was the same.

I had just won vancouver pro

olympia was 10 weeks away or 12 weeks away i kind of chilled for like uh two weeks and i had 10 weeks and in those 10 weeks went back to the same diet same everything

but the only difference was gh was 12 to 15 units the only only thing that i noticed different was my waist getting bigger can you send me these pics so i can i will actually yeah i'll find them in the podcast okay cool cool um

because obviously you've seen from like the clips too there's just so much controversy on this like we post if we post a clip of this there's gonna be so much fucking shit in the comments talking about how like you see to grow your wings

way longer for your organs to grow all these things no no no bro you see it perfectly like the waist was like kind of like this like inwards

And then the like few weeks later, it was like kind of like a little bit out.

Waist was still small, but just the outline was perfectly like changed from just a little bit inward to a little bit outward.

And I remember we sent those pictures, me and my coach, we sent them to Ron Hashe, who was one of the judges at the Olympia and who saw me win Vancouver Pro.

And he told my coach, watch his waist.

It looks like it's getting bigger.

And everything else was the same from peak week, diuretics, water, everything.

Everything was the same.

Okay.

I think people would probably, we would all argue what science is causing this, but I mean, I think this is good anecdotal evidence, but I feel like it can't, it can't, I just feel like it can't possibly be your organs growing.

Like it hasn't, it's got to be something

could be your, I don't know, your stomach, could be inflammation.

Yeah, it's got to be something, something crazy.

Like, I feel, I feel like just upping your doses in general, like say that you took, just hypothetically, you took twice as much

PEDs on your second show than your first show and twice as much GH on your second show than your first show.

Your waist will be bigger.

Yes, your waist will be bigger, 100%.

You'll be way more full everywhere else, but your waist is also definitely going to be bigger.

We see that all the time.

The question is,

why is it bigger?

Is it really organ growth?

Is it intestinal growth?

Is it stomach growth?

I don't think it's organ growth.

It's got to do something with, I don't know, just water rate, water weight and fullness.

Could be, could be, could be water.

Could be the growth hormone was causing a lot of intracellular fluids, like between your organs, water.

Yeah.

People forget that your body is like 70% water.

This is why I also argue, though, that

there's these fucking stupid comments on clips saying like, oh, you got to take this much.

You got to take fucking five grams or shit.

And I'm like, Dude, you guys are probably not the ones that are winning shows with shape or aesthetics.

And then also probably not the ones that are the most considerate about your health.

Like, don't fucking post that and say that because you're going to start making kids think that they should just take that much, and they're going to fuck up their health, and they're going to fuck up their shape.

Like, people want to look good, you know?

Like, these days, it's not just about being as big as possible.

You know, the days of just size and open is over.

Like,

the problem is that we're seeing how the internet rewards these people.

Like,

most of these young guys who start documenting their juicing journey are getting crazy views and popularity.

Oh, you mean like Dogie?

Well,

I guess I'd even go further back and say Sam, but at least Sam Sullek, at least Sam Sullek is like very, I'd say he's inspirational to a lot of little.

I don't think he ever once talked about his doses either.

No, no, he didn't.

And he's like very, like a very solid,

grounded individual.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, he is very grounded.

Very grounded, low-key.

Like, he's he's probably making a ton of money.

You don't see him in any way or form kind of going crazy with all that money at all.

Yeah, same personality, bro.

Very humble.

He likes to turn down a fuck ton of sponsorships.

He was just like, nah, I'm good.

I know, but

I don't know.

I guess he just wants the bodybuilder or what, but

maybe.

Like, really, really, really stuck to the core values of what he loves doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so there is a difference between a guy like Sam and a guy like Togie.

It's funny because

you know what's hilarious?

What?

You know, he was like hospitalized recently.

You,

Togi.

What was it for?

Didn't make a video.

I made a video about it.

That's a

yeah.

Fuck, I can't remember.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He mixed, he mixed Adderall with meth.

Something like that.

Meth?

Yeah, yeah.

No way.

That's

general with Coke.

No, he said meth in the in the tweet.

Yes.

What's funny was that a week before that video, a week before, I had made a video about him

saying this guy is going to end up in the hospital.

Yeah.

And then right away, when he was in,

my script guys

who send me like scripts to do for the videos, they're like, bro, video now.

Togy's in the hospital.

I'm like, oh, thanks, man.

It's good content.

Keep it up.

Keep me coming.

No, fuck.

My guy.

So in the video, I was like,

I said, but that's why I do all my content in Arabic.

So no one in English would understand.

So I said, ad roll is for lightweights.

I think next time you should do Coke and Meth together.

Oh, Jesus.

Yeah.

You can get away with anything in Arabic.

That's the best part.

Because the Middle Easterners, like, we have thick skin about all that.

Yeah, you wouldn't tell me what the fuck is going on with those Disney movies.

Oh, right, yeah,

yeah.

No, I want to keep my sponsors, man.

I should have asked you after the podcast, I forgot.

Well, all right, next question.

Let's ask these QA's.

Yeah,

oh, um, for the craziest off-season cycle and the most sustainable off-season cycle, how long were you running those for?

How long did you

say those you felt like those should be run for?

So, the one that I did, the thousand,

one hundred and a thousand two hundred and fifty test,

uh, 600 EQ, 600 DECA together,

I ran those, I think, for four to five months.

Okay.

The sustainable ones, again, we're talking bodybuilder off-season to actually grow.

We're not talking like

we're not talking,

what's the term?

We're not talking bridging.

Like, if you're bridging between cycles, 500 would be the sweet spot.

Bridging, not TRT, bridging.

But if you're sustainable off-season would be around 750, test

400 EQ, and you can go as long as

eight months, but then switch the EQ after four months to Primobolin or something else.

Okay.

Okay.

And is there anything that you would recommend for people to make sure that they don't die?

Yeah, always blood thinners.

Like Cialis?

No.

I mean, yeah, you could use that, but that's more, I think that's more for blood pressure.

Yeah, for blood pressure.

But like just mini aspirin or

there's that supplement

with an N.

Natokinase.

Oh, yeah.

Natokinase.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Natokinase, yeah.

So that with aspirin, and you don't have to do baby aspirin.

Just do the whole aspirin once a day, especially when they're on EQ.

Does that not have also bad side effects that come with it?

It's one aspirin, really, bro.

Like, we're trend, halo, like aspirin.

Yeah,

if you're thinking side effects of aspirin, you should find another sport.

Yeah,

every time as much as I love talking about this shit, I feel like with this podcast, I should definitely sometimes talk about health.

We know how some of of these bodybuilders are.

Yeah, no, it's probably

hypochondriacs like you or we run

tread and cocaine at the same time.

Yeah.

IFBB Khalid asks, this return for Olympia not just for fun.

I want to see him in top three Olympia 212, not classic.

This guy go home, man.

Tell him to drink his Lipton tea and go to sleep.

I want to see you in classic for sure.

I hear all these stories about guys just eating a lot less meal or a food volume to try to get their weight smaller.

And I feel like since you don't need to upsize,

I want to see you do that, dude.

I want to see you try to get it.

I want to see me do that.

And then I can actually record the transformation and put these claims to the test.

Will reducing my food intake

get my weight smaller?

And I'm doing that now.

Like I'm eating three solid meals a day and two shakes.

That reminds me, actually, I forgot about our conversation about GH earlier.

The reason, one of the other reasons I was surprised when you mentioned eight IUs as like what you need to gain mass,

I am very confident that Patrick Tour likes to keep his doses with his athletes from four to six IUs.

I don't know about his like big, big open bodybuilders.

I'm sure like maybe they've titrated upwards.

So let me correct something.

Yeah.

I didn't say to grow, you need eight units of growth hormone.

I said

for growth hormone to cause a growing effect, you need eight units.

Okay, there is a big difference.

Gotcha.

So I am, yeah, we gotta, because you gotta revisit that part.

Because I'm not saying you to grow, you need eight units.

Absolutely not.

Because the whole you grow with food and the anabolics, right?

But for growth hormone, that in particular, just the substance, to aid in growth, then it has to be eight.

So I'm not saying to grow, you need eight.

I'm saying for growth hormone to make you grow, you need eight.

Okay.

There's a very big difference between these two statements.

Separately from its eating effect on food and PEDs.

100%.

We're talking about the substance itself.

Growth hormone during cycles, even at lower doses, helps you with your appetite, helps you with your health, your skin and all that, helps you uh metabolize carbs properly helps you um keep you lean helps keep you lean causes lipolysis like causes fat loss

to add muscle growth has to be eight units i feel like this eight units though has to be there has to be some kind of

um there has to be some kind of factors that bodybuilders are doing in addition to this eight i use that is causing this actual growth because like you know you see um you see

patients taking a full serostem a day and they're not incurring but it prevents muscle wasting, right?

Yeah.

And they're not exercising or probably eating properly.

Yeah, I guess we don't know if they are.

We don't know, but the whole point of them taking very high doses of growth hormone is to prevent muscle wasting.

Right.

So, what is the and the virus causes muscle wasting.

So, what does that mean?

It exactly means that at higher doses, growth hormone builds muscle.

That's just based off of that logic.

If a drug at a certain dose prevents muscle wasting with someone with a very strong viral condition that breaks down muscle,

then that means that this drug is helping build muscle against the virus that is breaking the muscle down.

Gotcha.

But if they add a fuck ton of calories to that too, they'll get fucking huge.

I don't think people with AIDS are eating much calories.

I don't, yeah.

Yeah, no, probably not.

Probably not anywhere close to us.

Yeah.

PolyFucking D asks, difference in doses between off-season and prep.

Kind of answered this already.

Yeah, we answered that one.

I'd just say, listen to that clip of his prep and compare it to what he just said about his off-season.

Yeah, exactly.

Jamin Shell asks, what are your goals for 2025?

2025.

Well, the goal is

there are several goals.

One, I want to build raw as a brand in the Middle East.

Two,

I want to try and compete one more time in classic.

And three,

a goal that's kind of separate from all this.

I want to

get a 2000 iRacing score, which is that thing behind me.

Basically, the average sim racing score is 1,500.

I'm 1,300 now.

To be an average racer, you have to be 1,500.

That's like the average.

So I want to be 2,000, a little bit above average.

Bro, what are you doing with your life?

It's so difficult, bro.

It takes hours.

Hours, bro.

I'm up to like 5 a.m.

Damn, that is crazy.

Yeah.

I'd probably get like a score of 10, maybe.

I don't think you probably get banned.

I got banned twice.

Once was like two weeks, once was a week, and once was a month.

What for?

Various things.

So

one was deliberate intentional wrecking.

So basically,

it was like

lap eight out of land.

There's there's like 12 laps, so we're almost done.

And I'm carrying like a nice fourth place position,

and this dickhead behind me, they know what they're doing, right?

They're not stupid.

He's like behind me, and I'm blocking, I'm defending very well, holding my position, and he kind of hits my tail.

And then I spin out.

You spin out instantly because this thing is like,

it's a simulator for professional race car drivers.

So it mimics exactly what happens in real race cars.

Like the braking pedal, everything,

the steering wheel is exactly like a real race car.

So I slide, obviously, and I crash.

So then I go in the pits and I repair my car, and there's like one lap left, and I'm back to last place.

So what I do is, instead of finishing the race, I wait for him.

Like to come around

and it's he still has one lap to go.

And then when I see him in the mirror, I step on the pedal and then I come next to him and I'm like, yeah, you like that?

Fire.

And then I probably swear.

I'm like, fucking dick.

That's what you get.

That's what you get.

And then I hear on the radio, I'm going to report you.

Wow.

And I'm like, I'm going to report you.

No, why are you reporting me?

I'm just on a dad cycle.

Yeah.

And then I get reported and then I get banned.

So that's that was one of the bans.

Damn.

Yeah.

Do you feel like that?

You feel like you could

do real racing without dying?

So I was going to get into a real race car

about two months ago before winter.

And I chickened out, man.

Yeah.

And I got to see the car.

And we were kind of doing like a fitting.

Basically, the seat and everything has to be like for you, you know.

And I got into the car, and it was like parked.

We're not on the track or anything, it was in the garage.

And it's very expensive.

Like,

so it costs to practice for one day on the track $10,000.

Wow.

Yeah, but

the race team owner

kind of we agreed that we'd do kind of like a sponsorship where I'd pay half and he'd pay half.

Yeah.

So in return, that I'd YouTube all that and do all that kind of social media stuff.

Jesus.

So, I was like, all right, $5,000.

Holy face.

Yeah,

it's the most expensive thing ever.

So I was like, yeah, I can do that.

I can pay $5,000 for a practice session, you know.

And you need about three to four practice sessions

before a race weekend.

And a race weekend costs around $25,000.

And a season costs $150,000.

Jesus, bro.

So

I go, I see the car.

I get into the car.

And

I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing that this year.

I need another year of practice.

The second I got in there, I can't explain the feeling, but it's like, it's not a joke anymore.

Like, you can mess around in the rig.

Like, the most that's going to happen.

You restart your race, you press a button, you restart, you get banned, worst-case scenario, insult a guy back and forth, you know, get frustrated, your day is ruined.

But like, when I got into that car, it's like

the angel of death comes in with you.

And

he has his like pad.

He's like, so are we going to collect today or, you know, it's going to happen?

Like, you really feel that presence of a very strange energy.

It's like, and it's scary.

Because if you're doing 180 on a track with concrete barriers and you do one mistake,

you are into that barrier at those high speeds.

Yeah.

And

there's no reset button.

Yeah.

So I decided to wait.

And I'm going to be doing that in 2025.

So increase my iRacing score and then have at least one practice day with a real race car.

Wow, that is crazy.

Yeah.

Oh, that's intense, man.

That's a fucking insane thing to do as a hypochondriac.

Just saying.

So it's weird.

I don't care.

Like, I'm totally okay with it.

It's like I'm cheap with TVs or technology or buying shit around the house.

Like if I'm buying a couch or if I'm buying a new TV, bro,

it'll take forever for me to change a TV.

Like the TV has to be damaged for me to change it.

Or even buying like AirPods.

Up until two years ago, I still had like the wires

because I was just like too cheap to buy them.

I was like, I don't want to spend like 200 bucks on fucking headphones,

but I would easily drop $5,000 for more carbon fiber on my car.

So it's just like there are certain things where I'm like, I get really scared of like bodybuilding and health.

Yeah.

But then adrenaline junkie, 100%.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

Wow, insane.

Bro, I could go shooting once a week for like an entire year for the cost of racing once.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

No, no, it's it's it's a it's an insanely expensive sport.

And also you'll you'll never reach the top unless you start racing at two years old.

Two years old.

Like these Formula One race car drivers,

they're in cars before they're able to walk.

All right, let's do this Q ⁇ A.

Justin Henderson asks,

highest HDH dose recommended without risk of affecting insulin sensitivity?

Three units.

Three to five units.

Three to five units.

Yeah.

I heard somewhere around like four units and above.

You gotta like be extra careful.

Three, so I'm gonna be a little bit more considerate.

Three.

Um, Noah asks,

Noah Small asks, Do you struggle not feeling like a god with TRT now instead of the higher test cycles?

Yeah, I so when I was doing real TRT, like 150 milligrams a week or 125 milligrams a week,

I feel way better on 500.

Like 125,

I felt, oh, this is this is just brutal.

Damn, this sucks.

How long did you do it for?

No, I did it for like a whole year or something.

For a very long time, yeah,

after 2022, I stopped everything.

You don't feel like it slowly got better?

No, it's just like, well, I mean, you don't feel it anymore, but you see it in your physique and your lifts.

Your body gets that soft look, that soft human look.

Fucking be a looking human.

I want to be a normal human.

Damn.

Will Jr.

asks,

says gear talk, how much tests can you run without taking AIs and DHT blockers year-round?

Zero.

Oh, no.

Wait, really?

Of course.

What?

You can't even do TRT without AIs?

No.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

How frequently do you inject?

Twice a week.

Sometimes, like when I was doing 125, i'd like to split the dose but at 125 i was doing once a week or once every fifth day or sixth day but i was still taking a eyes i feel like maybe that could be why like if you injected every day on 125 megs i feel like you would not no how would you even do that like 10 milligrams a day yeah you just use a tiny insulin pin oh but it's too thick the oil is too thick it's not too thick well unless you're doing suspension promise you you can do it you can microdose every day and it's more it's more uh staple levels.

Okay.

I'm too lazy to do that.

It's a new age thing for the old guys.

Okay.

I'm too lazy to do that.

I wouldn't do that.

It can be a new age.

The max for me is like

twice a week.

I don't want to pin more than that.

I feel like twice a week is a minimum.

I feel like you got to do it at least twice a week for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

Two times a week is probably better.

I agree.

I agree.

Thoughts, gear talk, thoughts on using TRT or lower test and another compound as a base?

Another compound as a base besides test?

No, test is kink.

Yeah.

You agree?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep, for sure.

I did Deka only for some time.

I know someone who did that as well.

It fucking sucked for me.

Yeah, I can assume.

Thought my head was in the clouds.

No sex drive.

Exactly.

No, I'm not that.

Will Jr.

asks again a question for you both.

What advice can you give to improve weak points like legs and back?

More frequently.

So, okay.

No, back is very different than legs.

I feel like considering our fucking whole chest issue shit going on here,

this is harder for me to give advice now.

I would do back, I would say, more intense, heavier weight.

Lesser reps,

like just balls out heavy.

Rose, rose, dumble rose for me is like king for back.

Heavy, heavy dumble rows.

And for legs, it's volume.

Okay.

Volume and frequency, like just doing it more.

You don't think it's just volume and frequency for back to like at least doing it more, regardless of whether it's heavy or not?

Yeah, doing it like because if you're doing it very intensely, you need time to recover.

Like if you're going really heavy, you need time to recover.

You do need time for, yeah, you got to watch how much volume you're doing.

So I'd say, like, maybe once every fifth day

if you're going from back,

I'd say if that's only if you're going super heavy and super intense, yeah, super heavy and super intense.

Super heavy, super intense.

Yeah, with legs,

I would say

two

days a week for legs, and even add a third day of hamstrings with back.

I like that idea, third day with hamstrings a lot.

Yeah, um, on the last podcast, uh, Terrence mentioned.

Oh my God.

Is this the last question?

No, we'll ask the last question.

I'm just trying to remember what he said.

Oh, on the last podcast, Terrence mentioned Michaela Acock.

She had like...

according to him like the worst legs in women's bodybuilding and then over the course of a couple a few years and i think for one year she basically did literally no other training except for legs three times a week and Oh, I saw that transformation.

That was crazy.

Fucking insane, right?

Yeah.

It's fucking motivating, man.

Yeah.

It's motivating as hell.

Danny Bryan asks, have y'all ever felt sick in particular to taking high doses, high RBC?

Like, does he?

The only time I ever felt sick was with Anadron.

I just felt ill.

That's a perfect word.

Ill.

Like, I don't feel well.

Right.

Queasy.

Feel like throwing up.

No appetite.

The most I've I've ever felt that was bad was honestly just like when your hormones are fluctuating, like say that you have upped your doses a bunch or like you missed injections or something.

That's whenever I actually feel something that's like not positive.

I feel that that kind of fluctuation affects me mentally more than physically.

Mentally.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jason asks, how's your relationship going?

It's going.

I keep that stuff very private.

Oh, do you?

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very private.

I don't want people to know anything.

People ruin stuff.

Yeah.

I get worried about that.

I used to keep stuff a lot more private, but Ken Kayaturk asks,

and we already answered this about training splits.

QAN Ferguson08 asks, all the bad things people are saying about HCG.

People are saying bad things about HCG?

Apparently.

I don't even know about that.

I mean, the only thing I know about ACG is,

was it Dave Cook mentioning on my podcast about how some people will take, some guys will take ATG and feel symptoms of high estrogen, even though they don't have high estrogen?

Well, yeah, HCG will increase your estrogen.

But even if they don't have high estrogen from ACG, some of them will still get symptoms of it.

No, I've never had that issue.

No, when I have, I'm on ACG too, like once every

every third day, small dose.

Love it.

I always loved ACG too.

Only recently did I notice whenever I jump back on it that I feel more aggression.

No, I don't notice anything.

Just more gains.

More gains.

Yeah.

More gains, more baby gains.

Baha Yosef asks, accept a 75K year per year job or risk it all and follow a path in your head.

Follow a path in your head.

1,000%.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be here, right?

Yeah,

exactly.

Because imagine like you get fired from a job that you don't even like,

and you took that job,

sacrificing something that you'd love doing every day.

How shitty would that be?

Yeah,

it's like picking, it's like it's like going for a really ugly chick

just because you're thinking like she's going to be very loyal

and then she cheats on you.

Yeah,

that's great.

That's a good example.

I just feel having like a purpose in your life is just the most important thing.

It is.

Yeah.

You can find purposes in any other place, but I think for a man, the most common and the nicest place is your fucking career.

Yep.

You got to wake up every day wanting to do what you want to do.

Fucking the house asks.

Hi, may I ask?

Should we increase the testosterone injection dose in rebound phase?

What?

I think he's just asking about if he should increase his doses in a rebound phase.

So, what's a rebound phase?

I've been having this discussion with a lot of people recently, which I actually really like.

It's the reverse diet versus the rebound, what they do and what they prefer.

What did you do when you were competing?

Did you always reverse diet or did you rebound?

Rebound is

you rebounded?

Like, took advantage of that phase.

Yeah.

I like the idea of the rebound.

Yeah.

I've reverse dieted my entire life and then I just took

the most amount of skills.

I feel like I did.

I fucking feel like I did.

But when you rebound, though, for sure, you definitely have to, when you up your food,

some coaches like Patrick Tour

don't actually make

your total dose high,

very high.

It's like they think like, oh, the food and the absorption of your food should be able to.

I am with that.

I am with that thought.

Yeah, I am with that thought.

Reduce your doses and the food should be enough.

And you have to reduce your doses because when you rebound,

that's when a lot of the health stuff actually can start to kick in with the high blood pressure and all that, with the rebound of water, especially.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

And that's when you want to reduce the other things that could contribute to those side effects, like high blood pressure, mainly high blood pressure.

So definitely reduce your dose

and rely on the food.

And steer, just God, just keep away from sugar, man.

It's the worst during rebound.

The worst.

Why?

The worst because it's

such a contributing factor to more water retention.

But bad, the bad type of water attention, bro.

Sugar, and people think it's like

it's more sugar than sodium, at least for me.

Okay.

Yeah, and keep your water intake very high.

Interesting take.

All right.

Water intake very high.

Let's just cut it.

Let's just do like three more questions.

Three more questions?

Okay.

Rambo is really looking forward to this podcast.

It's a good question.

Okay.

We'll take that as a compliment.

Nice.

Tyrone Fore asks basic peak week protocol.

Oh, that's different for everyone.

But mine.

What was yours?

So

I generally go low in carbs like the last two weeks.

And then

three days before the show or two days before the show, depending on how full flat I am,

full or flat I am.

I would introduce carbs again but when I carb load I have clean carbs so just like rice maybe add some ketchup a little bit of ketchup sodium stays the same

and the last 48 hours so 48 hours before I step on stage that's when I'll have my first one-third pill of diazide

at around 12 p.m.

And then before bed around 9 p.m., I will have

another one-third of diazide.

I'll wake up in the morning, so now we are one day out,

and I'll look at myself in the mirror.

And this is when I also start my carb loading with the first pill of diazide,

so 48 hours out.

And then, one day out, when I wake up, I'll look at myself in the mirror, and then I'll decide that day whether I will take two more diazides, like two more one-third diazides,

or I will not take except one more more one-third diazide before bed.

And then morning of the show, I will wake up and I will have the same decision again.

Do I need to take one-third or even one-quarter or none at all?

So, 48 hours out, two one-third of diazides, so two-thirds total of diazide, and then one day out, either another two one-thirds or just one one-third, and then morning of, either none at all or one one-third.

Do you feel like you're more water-attentive than average?

I am, yes.

Okay, that would make a lot of sense then.

Yeah.

I'm a little bit more too, and I noticed some people don't need any diuretic.

I definitely need at least a little bit.

Probably.

I know.

I can't compete without it.

I have to.

Yeah.

Yeah, I hold water very easily with carbs.

Same.

I feel like that's a dark-skinned thing.

Kind of.

You think?

Yeah, exactly.

Because the darker they are, the more they hold water.

Yeah.

Yeah, it could be.

White people are always fucking dry, bro.

I know.

Especially those Germans like Urs.

Fuck that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The top North European guys.

Yeah.

Fucking shredded cunts.

Juicy K69 asks, how does he manage his blood pressure?

Is it better to stick to one med or two-thirds in one pillow?

Oh, I don't take any blood pressure medication.

I don't take any blood pressure medication.

What do you do for blood pressure?

I monitor it.

And

so a lot of people are, again, are going to disagree with me on that.

When I'm eating a lot of red meat and a lot of junk food, my blood pressure is usually 138 over 80 or 138 over 79.

When I added cardio, like I said recently, I added cardio, 20 minutes of Stair Master, I reduced my red meat intake

and I reduced my junk food intake.

And my blood pressure now is around 128 to 132 over 76, 78,

which is like okay, it's fine.

And this is without any medication.

I'm not taking

any beetroot extracts, nothing of that.

Okay, cool.

Yeah,

yeah, nice.

That's it.

Wait, how much?

How much do you do that?

How many times?

How frequently?

I do cardio about

four times a week to five.

Okay.

So basically, after every training session, except on leg day,

and I do 20 minutes of stair master,

20 minutes of stair master speed 8,

up until 15 minutes, and then speed 12 the last five minutes.

Basically, I go up around 85 to 90 floors.

Speed 12 is pretty fast.

Yeah, it is pretty fast, yeah.

But I'm trying, I'm working more to get my GO2, I guess.

Is it VO2?

VO2.

VO2 Max?

VO2 Max, yeah.

GO2.

Okay.

VO2 Max.

VO2 Max.

Do you ever do any friends, any sprints?

Anything?

No, no, bro.

No, my knees are long.

Yeah, that's just.

My knees would be be like, no, bro, we're not doing that.

I like the idea of doing those,

doing some little great due set shit and do the freaking, what is it?

The biking?

Cycle bikes.

The freaking, you know, the speed bikes?

Yeah,

those would be cool.

Because fucking doing zone 5 cardio makes me feel fucking good, bro.

I feel amazing.

I never tried it.

I want to.

Yeah, I should.

My LDL cholesterol is 252, while my HDL is 15.

I'm currently on a cycle.

Should I worry about it?

I think so.

Yeah, I think we should wrap it up.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'd be calling my doctor friend and be like, I think I'm going to have a heart attack soon.

It's not the worst in the world, but I would definitely worry about it and improve that for sure.

Yeah, definitely do something.

Yeah.

Definitely do something.

Do some cardio, bro.

Get a fuck ton of fish oils.

Take like 10 fish oils.

Dupe a bunch of of cardio.

Maybe ask them for

a zetamibe.

Do some shit for sure, bro.

All right, last question.

Keen Cook asks about stretch marks.

What do you guys think of them and do they bother you?

I don't have a lot of stretch marks.

Yeah, I have some, but I think they're sick.

Actually, let's just do the next question.

Devin asks, ways or methods on minimizing bubble gut.

Bald head?

Bubble gut.

Bubble gut.

Go to Turkey.

Yeah, go to Turkey.

Bubble gut.

Everyone's going to Turkey, bro.

Everyone is now.

All the bodybuilders are.

Yeah, but you notice that everyone is losing their hair.

Well, I mean, of course you're not going to be able to do that.

No, but generally, even forget the fitness industry.

I read a statistic that 50% of men are going bald.

Which wasn't the case at all, like 30 years ago.

Really?

Yeah, really.

No way.

I swear.

Read it.

What if that's that's because everyone's jumping on TRT?

Maybe.

I couldn't do that.

People are listening to Togi's advice.

Oh, shit.

Fire.

Bubble gut.

No, there isn't.

I mean, don't eat like a pig.

Insulin makes your gut grow, I think.

IGF, I don't know.

I mean, this is all bro science, to be honest.

We don't really know.

We don't.

We don't really know.

This is all bro science.

And I think it's just like,

don't take too much gear.

Yeah, I think that's a really good way to go about it.

I think, and Justin Harris and I had a really good discussion on our podcast about it.

Same with Dr.

Todd Lee.

And I think we all agree that I think food volume and slowing digestion.

Food volume is less gear

is going to be a big effect on that.

Whenever I focus on having like less volume and less orals, less anything that slows my digestion, my waist gets a lot smaller.

Yeah.

That's nice.

Yeah.

Just less gear, less food.

Yeah.

And like, when are you taking the most orals and also slamming the most carbs?

carbs freaking right before your show for a lot of open bodybuilders

yeah i've never done that and i try to stay away from orals as much as possible

uh

yeah i i think that was everything we're good yeah

all right

yeah i forgot whatever else i was gonna ask but we'll do it next time so next time we'll do it we'll do it again for sure Maybe I'll come down.

We'll do another one like in person.

Dude, please.

That would be dope.

Those are always so much better.

I love doing it in person, man.

Yeah, I'm going to try.

I always like, it's winter now in Canada.

So I'm definitely going to go to a sunny state.

And if I go to Cali,

I'll hit you a visit.

Bet.

Please, dude.

Please.

Let's get a lift in.

We'll do.

And let's do just back.

We'll do that.

Without any chest.

We'll do that.

Absolutely.

Cool.

Where can everybody find you?

Guys,

last time, none of you followed my Instagram.

So please follow my Instagram at the Dura.

And that's it.

That's all you need to follow.

It's only one link.

You don't need to follow anything else.

Sick.

Awesome.

Thanks, guys.

Thanks for supporting.

Thanks for watching.

Up your doses.

I'm just kidding.

Please don't take that as the moral from this podcast.

Don't.

Be careful.

Do your blood work and subscribe and click the bell button because then we can have more podcasts with Doro.

Thanks, bro.

Cheers, man.

Have a good one.

All right, you too.

Peace.

Cheers.

Peace.