Olympian Tonio Burton: Lost My Brother & Best Friend

I didn't believe that a woman could raise a boy into a man.

My mom did that.

You know, a single mom, she was doing what she had to do to, you know, help us get by.

She was selling drugs.

And some would say, you know, that's bad parenting, whatever, whatever, whatnot.

But she showed me what real life was.

We have the Predator, Tony Oburton, the Olympian, Open New York Pro, and Kelly Pro Champ.

Bodybuilding, they say, is a selfish sport.

It is if you make it that.

Family is the true riches of the world.

Not money, not fame.

I had to do it for my little ones.

If you would have to stick to three PEDs, which would they be?

I know a lot of people are like, hell yeah, but that's not going to do that.

When I'm eating the chicken and rice, I noticed the way I look in the gym, my muscle looked a lot more grainy.

You had an older sister and a little brother?

Oh, there's seven of us total.

Oh, I mean, we lived in a two-bedroom with, what's what, 14 of us?

15 of us?

You know, all my cousins, we had one babe.

And so we would take turns on who got to sleep in the bay.

Head to toe, you know?

It fit about four people.

So head to toe, head down here, feet down here, vice versa.

You know, that was life for us.

Like, we love that.

Like I said, my little brother was drawn in the same way i was drawn in so if i could get my hands on them before the game does that to me is success some hated on him because of the respect he was getting he was actually set up by his own gang and that's how he ended up getting killed and passing away the people come up and they're like we need two more people to carry his casket you know how cold that felt it was unreal um he didn't deserve what he got

How you been?

Good, good.

Healing after this motorcycle accident.

What happened?

I was

actually getting ready to go to to Legion Sports Fest the day before and just cruising, wasn't doing anything crazy.

A car tried to beat traffic and ran right into me.

Jesus, bro.

I got burns, third-degree burns in my whole right arm and my forearm here, hand, and both legs.

Did anything else?

Do you get any injuries that are like inhibiting your training?

Oh, nah.

No fractures, sprains, or anything.

Fuck, bro.

That's fucking lucky.

Lucky.

That shit scares the hell out of me, dude.

A lot of my best friends were always doing risky shit they're also vets so i feel like that's kind of related yeah yeah um they uh they'd always do some crazy fucking shit man and i'd always be like man you guys got to be careful because i know all you guys like bodybuilding at least as much as i do and um fucking one of my boys he got in a motorcycle accident crushed his rib cages and he just couldn't compete for like a year and a half and then um not to scare you or anything bro um and then um one of my other boys they were like about to go snowboarding and i'm like all right well, I mean, I would love to, but to be honest, man, I'm like,

I'm like really training really hard and I'm pretty fucking scared.

I feel like I know I'm going to fuck something up.

So my boys drag my best friend Dion out there.

And I don't know what they were thinking, but they brought him to one of the hardest hills and built Big Bear.

Just, I guess, to fuck with him or something.

Dude starts going.

And this shit's so steep.

And he's like not very experienced, right?

So he can't stop.

He can't stop.

And he's like trying to figure out how to stop.

And then this tree comes.

So he spins,

tries to block himself, tries to slow down before he gets to the tree.

And he doesn't.

Hits the tree and he freaking breaks his spine.

Fuck.

Yeah.

So, dude, had to have spinal surgery and basically couldn't walk for like a year.

And at least walk properly.

And

one of those things where he has to like spin around and shit, you know, when you're

yeah, he's good now, finally, but um, he doesn't, he used to do backflips all the time, and now he knows every time he does a backflip, it fucking fucks up his back.

And that's crazy.

That's the risky part, you know.

You never know what injury is going to come with it.

No, for real.

But

kudos, man.

I want to fucking, I've always been wanting to get a motorcycle, and I've, I've honestly been too pussy to do it.

I do it

after this conversation, I get a motorcycle.

Um, anyways, real quick before we keep going, but homies today we have the predator Tony O'Burden, the Olympian Open New York Pro and Cali Pro Champ.

Welcome to the podcast, bro.

It's an honor.

Appreciate you having me.

I didn't know you had a kid.

Oh, yeah, I got two boys.

How old are they?

They're both freshmen in high school.

Damn, no shit.

Oh, yeah, right out of high school.

That's insane.

Yeah.

Wait,

do you mind me asking how old you are?

Yeah, I'm 33.

Okay, I was about to say, bro, you look fucking young as shit.

Yeah, I right out of high school,

pregnant, yeah.

During graduation, as she was walking.

Oh, my God, that's crazy, bro.

Well, I mean, how, how has that, I guess it's been a part of your life for a while, but I'm always curious to ask my homies who are parents, because obviously it's going to be something that,

you know, I'm going to be someday, probably soon in the next few years or so.

But

yeah, how is that managing bodybuilding while being a father?

Because I'm sure it's a whole nother.

I don't know.

Honestly, bro, I think it comes down to who your, you know, your partner is that you're doing it with.

Someone who understands what bodybuilding is about.

You know, you'll have that, they'll hold it down while you have to go do your training and your traveling and all that.

You know what I mean?

But with them being older,

I'm at it.

It doesn't affect my bodybuilding whatsoever.

When I have shows,

my oldest, he likes coming to the show, so he went to Cal the second time this year.

He's been to Cal.

He's been the Legion when I did that one.

So, everything close he actually comes to.

Um,

now me training in the gym now.

I pick him up from school, we go straight to the gym.

Um, so it's actually he's my training partner right now, you know what I mean?

And who doesn't want to show out in front of their son?

You know, I love it.

Oh, that's fucking tight.

Now, his brother is a boxer, so he can't train the way we train.

You know, he's, you know, more resistance and speed and all that is his thing.

So,

he actually has a match next weekend, which we'll be heading down to.

So with my youngest boy, Wayne, he's going to win this one as well, and he'll win his next one.

He gets to go to Nationals.

So soon we'll have a pro boxer on our hands.

And then

Elias is getting ready for football again.

So

just, you know,

trying to do for them what I wish I would have or could have had, you know what I mean?

I had it from uncles and my older brother, not a dad, though.

Is your oldest like pretty interested in bodybuilding?

Oh, yeah.

he uh he'll hit the poses sometimes like a few videos i've posted uh nice where he's gonna do the poses so it's funny um would i put him in bodybuilding probably not yeah i mean then again i would because if i look at from when i did a mother load to right before uh usa is my turn pro that was natural so if he wanted to do it i mean we could do it the natural way

and i'll let him stay to the ipb i mean i like i love this federation so i'll let him stay natural and do it.

I think it was something he wanted to do.

But as of right now, football is his thing.

He's a barber as well.

So I'm just saying, you know, wherever his feet take him, I'm just there to support it.

Yeah, that's fucking tight, dude.

I always hear like a lot of old pro bodybuilders or previous like Olympians always discussing like whether or not they would have their kids like do bodybuilding or anything.

Like I think Fowad asked.

Fowad asked a bunch of the guys on his podcast about if they would let their kids do bodybuilding.

I think he asked Chris as well.

And

everyone's always just like, especially Chris was just like, you know, being his fucking stoic ass self, being like, you know, I wouldn't stop them from doing whatever they would want to, but I would definitely inform them and educate them to the point where they just didn't want to.

You know what I mean?

Tell them no without saying no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

For real.

So

I guess.

Yeah, no, bro.

I love it.

I mean, I think

having kids, you know, someone to carry that bloodline for you, you know, and leaving them something to have when you're gone, that's a blessing, you know.

I think family is the true riches of the world, not money, not fame.

You know, I do it for my little ones.

Yeah, man.

That's fucking awesome, dude.

I agree.

Speaking about family, though, from my understanding, you've had a pretty damn rough past, huh?

Oh, yeah.

I'm pretty super intrigued because I don't know much about it.

I just know a little like general.

general things but like if i was on a fly if i was a fly on the wall if you don't mind me asking asking what would i have seen with your life as a kid um

in home it was you know a single mom uh she raises us

i've said it before um

i didn't believe that a woman can raise a boy into a man my mom did that she was uh doing what she had to do to you know help us get by she was uh selling drugs um

And then at a certain point, it got to where she would ask, you know, me to do drop-offs or go pick up money for whatever um

and some would say you know that's bad parenting whatever whatever what not but she showed me you know what real life was you know we didn't believe in santa claus and tooth fairy and all that bullshit she killed that early um

what else uh

it was one of those things where If you ask someone what love in their family was, they're probably waking up with, you know, breakfast breakfast made and kisses and hugs and get ready for school and all that shit.

Hell no, my mom was yelling as hey, time to get up, you know, smacking us on the face to wake us up a little bit, throw cold towel on us or something.

But, you know, we never actually heard, you know, the words, I love you.

We knew we were loved.

You know, we had everything.

You know, her doing what she was doing to make money.

Man, when Christmas came, we had presents covering the tree.

Like, you didn't even see a tree.

We would tell us pointing us to have one.

You know,

food, clothes, whatever we wanted, she made it happen.

Like, she got it for us.

Then, you know, she started, she got into her, you know, her love life or whatever.

And I've seen physical, you know, domestic

to where me and her ex-husband have, you know, got him up.

And it was one of those things, too, that just built over time to where when it finally happened, like I looked at him in his eyes and I told him like, yo, I've been waiting for this, you know, and we got down a few times.

Finally, he leaves, he's out the picture.

Now she's better off.

You know, she has all her kids, mine is my little brother, but all her grandchildren, all surrounding her, you know, she's keeping it going.

So in home, that's what you know, that was about.

We were always in trouble, you know, wrestling each other, doing wrestling moves we've seen on TV, you know, playing survival tags and shit like that.

But once we grew out of that, and

I felt like I had to grow up fast too.

So that's when I started dipping into the more crazier things, meeting new friends.

When I started going to Trainer Middle School, it's

in northern Nevada, northern Reno,

which is what they would call Hazun.

A lot of Hispanics, Polynesians, blacks, very minimal white people.

It was what the hood was, you know, and

we would go to the park where we would see people sell drugs.

And it was like in movies, like when they run up to the cars, give them drugs, say, exchange of money, run back.

We've seen people, you know, get locked up because they were settled by the police.

Like, we've seen it all, but the money, the clothes, the cars, it was like, yo, I gotta have it, you know.

And so now I'm in middle school.

I meet, you know, my friends and uh, off in Louisiana.

And we had a group, you know, called Bottom Boys.

Louisiana is the bottom of the map, so we're from the bottom.

And we had to have it.

It wasn't something that we were like, you know what, let's just do it and let's just be tough.

Going to school at Trainer was like

essentially a smaller jail where it's very segregated.

You didn't walk halls by yourself.

You didn't go to the bathrooms by yourself.

I remember texting my friends, like, hey, I got to go to the bathroom.

I will meet you out there.

You know,

going to the lunchroom, eating lunch, whatever.

You sat with your people.

You did everything with somebody with you.

Because if you're a car slipper, you're no telling what was going to happen to you.

There were times we would be on the playground, and I remember we got chased by a car group

in Reno.

It was called Most Wanted, and it was a car group.

But we got into it with them over the weekend.

And Monday came around and they showed up at our lunch and they chased us through the school with bats and everything.

And oh shit, we're rerunning.

We got a way no one got hurt or whatnot.

But that was our excitement.

You know, that was our fun.

We would go downtown Reno and we'll get in trouble.

We would

fight.

Sometimes we'll pick people out.

It was just, I don't know, it was like an adrenaline rush that we were about, that we would do.

It started out as us just finding a way to protect us to, you know, this is actually what we're good at and it's fun.

Let's, you know, take it a step further.

We had people wanting to join in and we didn't jump people in or tell people they were part of or anything like that.

Just tell them they could hang out with us.

And sooner or later, they started doing what we were doing.

And then

I think I started going deeper into it.

My older sister is a gang member.

And I remember growing up seeing, you know, them drinking and doing all their shit,

fighting and talking about their fights and things that have happened.

They're talking about it.

And I see how they're glorifying it.

And it was just like, damn, like, how can I be cool like that?

And

so I went that way.

I actually started getting involved in the same thing as

same gang as she was in.

And now this gang completely different where I've seen them set people up.

I've seen people get hurt.

I've been at the wrong place for a long time where I've seen people, you know, hit the dirt.

I've seen a lot growing up.

It's just one of the things, bro, like the shit people rap about and movies and things they make movies about, it's people who actually have been through it and go through it still to this day.

I mean, I still talk to my friends and I hear stories that they're still doing things.

And it's just kind of like, dude, like, you got kids now.

Like, it's time to move away from there.

But, you know, they can't and i was fortunate enough to get a pass to be able to just walk away when was this this was what my middle school high school years it was just constant non-stop and uh i was different though you know um i hung out with you know serenios they you know wore blue i was cool with the polynesians who wore blue i was cool with the samoans who wore red Bishop Street Bloods who wore red.

I wore red all the time.

Not because I was gang affiliated.

It was just my color.

But little did I know while I'm doing all this and having this fun and showing it off my little brother is now in a position i was in learning and watching and wanting to be a part of it so

i

uh have my son um you had you had a older sister and a little brother yeah i have so there's seven of us total oh yeah four girls single moms

yeah

what the

what that's crazy oh

this yeah we had uh i remember we lived in a two-bedroom with

14 of us, 15 of us, and a two-bedroom house.

Jesus, I know.

You know, all my cousins, my family, we were close because we all lived together and we had one bed.

And so we would take turns on who got to sleep in the bed, you know?

Yeah, head to toe, you know.

It fit about four people.

So head to toe, head down here, feet, you know, feet down here, vice versa.

And, you know, that was life for us.

Like, we loved that, you know, even when it was like going outside to play, we went up, we would be outside from sun up to sundown,

from sun up to the streetlights come on.

Cause we knew if we didn't make it back before the streetlights, it was game over.

We were getting our ass whooped.

So, you know, that was just, that was the good times.

Like, uh, going through all that, and it sounds crazy being in a crowded house like that and loving it, but that's when family was the closest, and all of us were still here, you know.

And if one got down, we all got down, you know, and we stuck close to each other.

We didn't tell on each other, you know, we didn't snitch on each other to our parents or anything like that.

We were tight, we were locked in.

So, I mean, I loved it.

But, you know, as we get older, things start to change.

People move away, whatever, whatnot.

But

after high school, I was supposed to go off to college and I didn't.

And I think that kind of put me into a relapse of hanging out with my bad crowd.

And that's when I was doing the extreme things and living a fast life.

I remember kicking indoors with one of my friends who had,

who owned females, who would go make money, you know, sell themselves.

And they'll call, you know, or if we didn't hear from them after a certain amount of time, he knew something was wrong and we're kicking in the door.

So I remember doing things like that, you know, robbing people, selling things, whatever, anything we could to make our money.

And then it was one time where I had a friend, he's on the phone, he's calling me.

And he's running from the police.

And

he tells me, hey, look in your balcony.

I need you to hide something.

And so as he's running, and I open the balcony because I'm looking for something.

And in the air, I just see a damn pistol flying in the air.

And

grab it, I hide it.

Police, I seen him come.

They're knocking, asking if they could look in our backyard.

They think he threw something.

They go check, nothing's there.

But it was too close to home.

And, you know,

in that area I lived in.

Sutro and Whittaken, it's Silver Terrace apartments, very bad apartments.

They're better now, I think.

But Italy police in her daily, you know, shootings every day to where it was an upstairs, downstairs apartment.

And my son and his mom, I wouldn't let them sleep upstairs.

In fact, we would sleep downstairs on the floor.

Like I brought the mattress down there.

And that's what we sleep at.

You know, you sleep below the windows, you're less likely to get hit because it was non-stop shootings.

Like even at our front door,

she learned her lesson quick.

Told her if you hear a noise, you don't run to it.

And one morning, she heard a noise, she tried to run to it, she heard shots go off right in front of our front door and uh i think that right there was like okay it's time to really leave this all alone you know and uh that's what put me on the path of bettering my life and i actually went to college but later played football and everything

and uh yeah that's what helped me get away from that life and Once football didn't work out, I came back, I found bodybuilding.

Damn, bro.

Yeah, it's a lot.

If I sat down and wrote down everything, I'll be able to, you know, explain more, but it's a lot.

I'm leaving off so much.

What were you saying about

you said, I think right before you had your kid, your little brother, or like you were doing things, and then your little brother was getting a little bit influenced?

Yeah, he actually grew up.

That dude started breaking the entering at a young age, started hanging out with the wrong crowd.

He became a part of the Bishop Street Buds.

And that was all she wrote.

He was very active.

They called him Hot Boy.

So what they mean by Hot hot boy is when someone says, oh, that's hot,

that's bad, you know?

And they're always active.

And that was him.

Never seen someone like excited to go back, like, you know, to get into a mix and have to run from the police.

And

he

was just overly active to where

people in his own gang was like, yo, we can't control him.

And

some hated on him because of the respect he was getting.

So literally, it was actually set up by his own gang.

And that's how he ended up getting killed and passing away.

We know it was a setup because he never left the house without his pistol.

He knew better.

And

when they found him, he didn't have it on him.

And one of his friends actually said he had it.

He left it at the house.

So that's how we knew.

Whoever picked him up was someone he knew.

Whoever he said he was going, he knew he was familiar with.

And so we knew it was people he knew that did what they did.

That's fucking crazy, bro.

Yeah, we still hear things here and there about, you know, other people who were involved or whatever, whatnot.

You know, my family, friends all believe if take one of mine, we got to take one of yours too.

You know, it's high, four, and I,

before anyone could get their hands on anybody, they actually went to prison.

I believe both of them are still, well, the two of them that we know of are still locked up to this day

in a maximum security here in Nevada.

But

other than that, I mean, you still hear things here and there, but you know what's true and what's not because people stay away and people come around.

So

we know the ones that ain't coming around are the ones that are still, you know, who are guilty.

Man, that's mind-blowing.

I don't even understand how your mom was able to manage all of that as well.

Oh, you guys were able to.

That's fucking crazy.

She was stressed a lot.

Y'all, and I apologize, but I remember she would call me because in the summertime, we had a thing called

Farmer's Market, and it happened Thursday night.

So I leave the house Thursday, and she won't see me again until Sunday.

And I remember she would call me many times in the same voicemail.

One day I'm going to wake up because someone said they found you dead in someone's gutter.

Like, she was just sure that I was going to, you know, be the one to, you know, come up missing because she knew.

She heard, she seen my friends.

She knew what it was about.

But,

you know, I can only imagine all the stress, especially now that I have little ones.

You know, I'm like, yo, I couldn't imagine them talking about the shit that I've done, that they're doing, you know?

And I told them both because, so

my youngest, JoJo, he's a boxer and he likes to fight.

So when he's at school, kids who just pop off, I'm getting a phone call like from his mom, hey, he's fighting again.

Or he will tell me that he fought someone.

And, you know, my first question, of course, is, did you win?

Yeah, well, why'd you fight, though?

Well, he called my sister this or he said this about my mom now i gotta you know teach him hey dude words don't mean anything if you know it's not true why prove yourself especially when you know you can whoop the kid you know don't be the bully and uh

he was so resistant to listening until he heard my background and how fighting was my thing And, you know, I even told my dude, your boxing skills, that comes from genetics, dude.

Not only me, but your uncle's on the side.

We're all boxers.

And then your mom, she was also a little scrapper, too.

So fighting's in your blood.

Like, I get it.

But understand, we know what comes with it.

And you're going to get a lot of people hating you.

And if they can't whoop you, dude, they're going to find another way to do it.

It's not worth it.

He's been doing better now.

Grades are being better.

Like I said, they're getting ready to go nationals.

So, you know, he become a pro.

So he leaves that bullshit alone.

Same thing with Elias.

You know, he plays Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, and all that.

But I take him shooting with me.

And I do that because shooting teaches so much.

You know, some people might be scared for their kids to do it, but man, that shit teaches patience.

It teaches discipline.

It teaches them the respect of the power that they're holding.

So now they're not being goofy with it.

You know what I mean?

So he won't touch one unless I say.

He knows how to take one apart.

He knows how to put one together.

He knows how to load it and unload it.

And that's why these are things kids should know.

You know, you'll hear about less bullshit happening if kids knew what they had in their hands.

So I take him to do those things.

And he asked me about my past all the time.

And,

you know, I talk to him about it.

I'm not going to lie to him and hold it back because if he's asking me, there's curiosity in there.

So I'm going to let him know.

I need to get rid of that.

I need to kill that.

So

it's been working so far.

No, those are some white-ass words, bro.

Very.

Appreciate you.

Yeah, I think anything that you try to withhold from your kids, they're going to figure out some way.

Right.

And I'd rather find out with me, you know?

You want to see what alcohol tastes like?

Let's take a shot together.

You know, as a nine times out of ten as a kid they won't like it so i'm yeah take this you know i remember i had it when i was younger and i hated it i didn't start drinking until what 23 24 years old yeah and that's when you learn that you're not drinking for the taste you're drinking for the vibe oh yeah for sure for real bro for real

I had the same experience too.

My dad was, he always let me sip alcohol and he always let me try it and everything.

So I think when I got old enough, I did still have like a period of time.

Like I joined a fraternity in college and everything and got fucked up dude i gained like 60 pounds freshman year and so

but by the time i was like 20 years old um i already started competing and um for my 21st birthday my ex bought me like a couple like birthday cake flavored protein bars for my 21st birthday because i was on peak week and i was just fucking competing instead and i just quit drinking so hell yeah i haven't i haven't drank or at least uh i haven't actually drank for like maybe six years or something but i'm sure that like my dad having that kind of energy in exchange with me contributed a lot to that yeah I believe you can't hold kids on a leash too tight yeah because once that shit gets loose it's over no for real bro

no for real

my mom is a hardcore Catholic too and it was it was way too tight and

then I became a mess so

but now I think we're good

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You don't have to answer this if you don't feel comfortable, but this is something that I kind of wanted to ask because I feel like it might uh i might resonate with it a little bit but if you don't mind me asking what what happened with you and your uh your best friend and my best friend um yeah

the one i passed away

yeah so ryan uh me and ryan were close his name was ryan yeah his name was ryan jones he uh

it was crazy too because the way we met we actually went for a combine in high school And he knew who I was and he knew I went to Hug.

And I think that's what he liked.

and we started talking and he gave me and my friends a ride home time we get home you know we was like we're gonna kick it this weekend he came out with us and he's seen how we get down and I think it was a culture shock to him because he didn't grow up that way and but he fell in love with it and so he stayed around and

his dad wasn't the best of dads and

He so he stayed with his grandparents and I told him if you needed if you wanted to use my address he could start going to to school with us so he switched he starts coming to our school and

we were on a football team together we went to like college workouts together he ended up getting drafted to the New York Giants yeah he went to the Giants and then he hurt his foot a stress fracture in his foot was getting surgery done

and it just kept messing it up so they ended up cutting him and then he got picked up by the Ravens but every time he was in town he was always hitting me up letting me know what's going on at this time i was being a dad

so you know i'm living through him you know and uh we're always talking um

then

he ended up getting hurt again same problem comes back um how is he hurt a stress fracture in his foot um

so you know when you break your foot or whatever they can't do anything for it they could put a boot on it but that's about it yeah so it was every time he'll plant and try to run it was same thing would keep

and i believe it was down the middle or the side of his foot something like that well anyway uh

when

he would come back he would actually go i'm in

2016 i believe this was i'm actually playing college football at this point and uh he would come watch me play and everything you know just letting me know that i'm on my way because i was so far behind like i said i was being the pops first and then once i was able to i started you know following this football dream and I had like Duke Williams who played with the Bills

he we graduated same year but he was in the league Courtney Gardner was with Miami Dolphins Ryan with the Giants and so you know it was only right that I make it

but so they're always you know supporting whatever whatnot but then I kept getting hurt my hamstring

so

I come back to Reno, he's here, and he was always in the gym.

And everything was a competition with him.

Like, I think the drive I developed was because of him.

Everything was competition.

We're going to work out, and I'm going to try to make you tap out.

We're going to bench, and I'm going to see if I can now lift you and out rep you, everything.

Man, we would go to drive,

we'll go bowling, like, just find something to compete, whether it's bowling, driving range, you know, golfing, go-karts, whatever, shooting, anything.

We're competing with it.

Because we're, we're, you know, iron sharpens iron.

Well,

I had applied for uh

you and our police department, the college, the campus police,

and uh,

he did too.

And we didn't know that, but we were always talking about like, damn, we're about to be doing this together, like we're about to be partners, like, cool, you know, I'm with it.

And uh, we did the same thing for Reno PD.

And um,

it was Father's Day.

Um,

that night, my sister calls calls me and

she goes

Ryan's dead and I got mad at her I'm like you know that shit's not funny she said no I'm not playing I'm serious you know Ryan's dead

and I hung up on her and

I just talked to him earlier that day and he's not a dad but I text him happy Father's Day to mess with him And I'm calling his phone, I'm calling his phone, he's not answering.

I just kept calling, kept calling, kept calling.

And

people started showing up to my house.

And

my son's mom, she shows up.

And she was asking me if I'm okay.

And I was like, I'm just trying to call him.

And then she takes my phone.

She tells me he's not going to answer.

And

I think that's when I lost it.

It was 10 days before my birthday.

We had friends who go to Vegas because I don't gamble.

I've never gambled.

And that was his thing.

And he wanted me, he was like, we're going to do it for your birthday.

And

that never got to happen.

His funeral comes up.

And it's the same day I have the testing.

And I knew he would want me to go along with it.

So I went to the testing.

And after we did the physical part of it and before the written test, my mom calls me and she tells me

she needs a ride to the funeral.

So I give her a ride, but I'm like, I'm not staying.

I'm not going to his funeral.

And so

get there and everyone's outside.

And

his cousin James comes up to me.

And we're talking and

the people come up and they're like, hey, we need two more people.

to be a pallbearer to carry his casket.

And I looked at him and told him, I'm not doing it.

And

he kept telling me, he was like, please just, you know, do it with me.

So I need you to do it with me.

I was like, I'm not doing it.

There's no way I can do that.

And they were like, we have to, we need two people.

So

I'm in workout clothes.

And

they open the back of the wagon.

And we pull it out.

And you know how cold that shit felt?

And just...

It was unreal.

He didn't deserve what he got.

It shouldn't have been him.

He wasn't active.

He was a good dude.

And having to carry it out, how heavy it felt.

It sucked.

I can't explain it.

Later we find out, well, even before, so after we placed him, I left.

I got out of there.

And

I remember I hyperventilated in the car.

Once I started driving, I had to pull over.

I started to hyperventilate.

Thankfully, there was an ambulance there, and I don't know how they noticed it, but they got me out and they gave me some sugar to help my muscles loosen up because how tense I was.

I had my body locked on me.

Later,

I find out what happened.

So

his sister called him

because her ex-boyfriend took her drugs and put his hands on her.

And Ryan's big.

Ryan was 6'4 ⁇ , 260.

You know, muscle.

He was a hybrid linebacker.

He played DN.

he'll fall back to being a linebacker.

You know, in the NFL, it's a big boy.

And we would always tell him, dude, no one's going to fight you.

Well, he goes over to her ex's house.

And as soon as he gets out, guns, you know, he's fighting this dude.

And he's beating him up on the stairs.

And his dad gets out and starts shooting.

So as they're exchanging fire,

Ryan's the only one out of everyone that's hit.

He's hit three times in

his chest.

And

they took everyone's guns.

And

I probably shouldn't say this, but they took everyone's guns besides the dad's, and no one's bullets matched the ones he got hit by.

And

to me, it sounds like his own dad is the one who got him, you know, not paying attention to what he was shooting at or whatever, you know, it was.

But

that's how he ended up passing away, you know, 10 days

before my birthday.

And then August rolls around, my little brother passes away.

Not too shortly after that, a month or so later, our friend Fidel passes away, all the gun violence.

And

when

my friend Fidel passed away, we found out on Snapchat.

He was shot in the alley in his head.

And someone recorded it on Snapchat and they captioned it.

That was a loud pop.

You can see him, you see where he got shot at and you see the blood coming down.

And, you know, this went all around

Snapchat.

And of course, the first thing police do is find all of us.

Because at this point, it was

we have to get back for ours.

And that's just the way we were.

But so they came straight to us asking if we knew anything.

why it happened, trying to get any information they could.

But, you know, at this, you get in trouble for doing that.

So it's, yo, you guys do your job and we're going to do ours and leave it at that.

But,

hey, bro, it's to the point now where when family or friends, when they are no longer,

it's hard to even cry about.

You know, it's kind of like, man, this is just what it is.

You know,

my mom lost all her siblings except for one.

She lost her.

Both her sisters.

One of her brothers are in prison for good.

One passed passed away, and another one is just lost somewhere.

So it's like a thing that just always happens, bro.

No,

it's no longer a surprise when I hear someone's gone.

It's kind of like, damn, what happened?

The shit that's crazy.

Anything happening about it?

And, you know, life goes on.

You don't sit and dwell on it.

And that's why even when I have friends who talk about their losing someone or their lost owner, it's kind of like, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm here if you need anything, but there's nothing I can say that's going to make you feel better.

You just got to let this shit hit and tell you

no longer hurting you anymore.

Because that's where we are.

You know, my, we don't, I don't know, bro.

It's just, it's almost like you're numb to it.

It's kind of like, well, that's just what happens here.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

This is kind of, it's kind of funny.

And it's, it's, I don't know why it feels hard for me to talk about it right now, but I think the reason why is because

my boy, my best friend Dion, just walked in because he's staying with me for a week because he's knocking doors here for sunron and stuff.

That's Dion.

And the reason why I ask you this question is

because

our best friend was also named Ryan and he also passed away, passed away maybe three years ago.

And he was also from Louisiana too.

Like

just shithole childhood of Louisiana.

But

I just feel like these stories,

I just really like hearing about these things because I just feel like sometimes it's like the reason why I need to keep going.

It's the reason why I need to do what I need to do.

He always looked forward to,

like right when he got out of

the military,

there was this altercation where he ended up going to jail on an accident, but he was such a good guy that he actually was offered by the fire department.

to work for them while he was in jail.

So while he was working for the fire department, because he like created peace while he was in prison

with

some of the gang members.

And

while he was a firefighter, obviously he had a lot of opportunities to do good things and save a lot of lives.

And at one point towards the end of his firefighting career, he found this kid on the road who had shot himself in the head but missed his brain.

So he was just suffering.

And Ryan did everything he could with all the knowledge that he's learned and got an ambulance to come and save the kid's life.

And the kid ended up being the son of the head of the police department.

Holy shit.

While he was in prison, Ryan gets a call.

And

while he was supposed to be in there for years, the person on the other end is like, hey, Ryan,

we have some news for you.

You're going to be out in six months.

And he just falls to the ground crying.

And um

this guy has not had money his own his his entire life he basically had to see his mom die downstairs get shot by having a fight with her boyfriend at the time when he was like maybe seven less than 10 years old um and then his dad hung himself when he was uh like maybe 17 like a teenager right before he went off to the military um and he's never had money ever and finally

um i don't remember what it was called but um

after all the altercations and the issues that he went through, he finally was able to,

I'm just brain fighting right now, man.

Honestly, my head's kind of in the clouds, but he was able to get a lot of money from the military.

And finally, he had like a check for like $100,000 or something after,

I think they were doing veterans court and a bunch of other things that were associated with...

their sentences and

being vets and

it's crazy because like the moment he finally got that and he got a lot of stress off his plate.

And also the guy who

apparently killed his mom, his mom's boyfriend at the time, got out of jail.

And so he confronted him because,

you know, since he was a kid, Ryan has been

just

having this hang over his head, wondering whether, like, what happened?

Like,

did

you kill my mom?

And

so all these things that I think he's just been finally waiting for to happen happened.

And he confronted the guy.

And

they met somewhere in San Diego after he got out of prison and they had a long, long talk.

And I guess what had happened was

they did get in a massive, massive fight.

And I think his mom was threatening to kill herself.

And

her death wasn't on purpose.

It happened while they were fighting and while she was holding the gun.

So

I think Ryan finally got closure.

And then it's just crazy to think that literally just a month afterwards, he passed away from an accident.

Dion and I were actually at, I know you and I met at an event at a festival, like base camp or something, right?

Yeah.

That was pretty sick, by the way.

Me at base camp.

It was the 4th of July.

And so Dion and I were at, I think it was like a day trip or something, and we got a call too, and

it was kind of ridiculous because the first thing they said to Dion was like, hey, Ryan's dead, and we're just there at a festival getting this, like, this news.

And we're like, you had to be fucking joking.

Like, that's a, that has to be a joke.

It sounds fucking ridiculous.

So, I don't know.

It's just kind of uncanny that you receive receive these news the same way.

But it sounds like Ryan was like a really

amazing, powerful dude who influenced you and the people around him in such a positive light.

Oh, yeah.

He was,

man, he was

a superhero.

You didn't think anything could happen to him.

My son, as young as he was,

He was very my son was crazy, my oldest.

And

we open our door, there's a porch.

You know, it's like three steps to get down.

Well, anytime you'll hear Ryan's truck pull up, because Ryan has speakers, so you hear the music.

But anytime you'll hear it, it's like he'll dart the door.

And we always left our door open.

And

this dude would run and jump off the porch.

And he just knew Ryan was going to catch him.

And I think that's what hit me the most after is when we would sit there and

randomly he'll look outside.

and it didn't hit you know what he was looking at until you know uh a group my friends pulled up and the first thing he did was just run and i knew what he was going to do so i grabbed him but now i knew why he would always uh

just look outside you know he was waiting to be able to do that again

and uh

I feel like

if he was able to understand at that point, it probably would have killed him, you know.

Man, he was calling Ryan Uncle.

You know, he was always at the house, whether it was Thanksgiving or my mom was doing, you know,

crab boils, like he was there.

And so to no longer have that was just, it was a hit.

You know, that was two brothers less than a month apart.

And then another friend, you know, another month later.

So it was just kind of, I don't know.

It was a rough, rough year.

I feel like these things, at least for me personally, have

just completely transformed and changed my perspective and what I thought about the world and what I prioritized.

And I realized like all this shit that I always worry about is just not important.

Like the thing that's the most important is just me spending time with the people I love, being with my family, with the people that care for me and the people I care for.

And

it's hard to remember that sometimes when you,

you know, when you wake up and you have literally like everything on your plate for no reason and you feel like you have no time in the world and you have all this shit to take care of, and you have low energy, or you're like your own prep, and you fucking don't have the energy to even fucking stand or do cardio.

Yeah, you know, that was one thing that

we'll always tell each other: is that you have time and not time to blow time, but take a second, breathe.

You know, a lot, there's other people going through bigger and worse things that are making it.

And

people ask, you know,

why do I always smile?

Like, whether it's on stage or podcasts or whatever, the whole time I'm smiling.

And

I think about what I've been through.

And no matter how stressful bodybuilding can be, in prep, out of prep, it's just like nothing was as bad as the bottom.

So to me, this is just like, yo, if this is all I have to go through to be here, fuck it.

Like, why not?

You know?

I know other people who wish they were, I mean, just still breathing.

You know what I mean?

And the fact that, you know, I can have the things that I have, the family that I have, the people that I have around me, you know, there's no time for me to be angry.

So even when I'm talking mess on Instagram to people, I'm just holding them back.

You know, they're talking their shit, so I'm going to talk a little shit back.

I'm not taking it serious.

You know, I'm having fun with it.

They might be upset, but I mean,

at some point, they'll get over it, right?

But

I don't know.

I tell people this all the time, man, I've seen too much real life to let little shit

or the stress of the world today get to me you know i made it through and got through the worst of things you know we grew up saying if you live to get past 25 you're og you know you made it and uh

i could say that about you know three of my friends i went to well four of my friends i went to school with and you know seeing them what they're doing now is just crazy well duke is like retired um because he was in the league and the whole cte thing.

So he gets paid to fight the league every month for the rest of his life.

But, you know, now he has a family and he'll come down and visit every now and then.

Courtney does construction.

But outside of that, he's helping kids with football.

You know, he's passing his talents down to

the new generation.

Our friend Keenan, he's, last I seen him, he was security for a dispensary.

But the fact that he was able to get his license of carry blows my mind.

So, you know, I mean, it's better than nothing, though.

And even my bad crowd, you know, a lot of them work construction, you know, and they have families.

You're not necessarily hearing that they have to go do bad things.

They're getting out of prison and they're finding life.

So it's just,

I think that's, that's everything, you know.

If you don't mind me asking,

because I feel like, at least for me, I've been, I feel blessed to be where I am today because of the same reasons as you.

Everything feels better than it used to be.

No matter what, everything that I'm going through now, I just feel like has been a gift because,

long, you know, long story short, it was just so much better than my childhood and so much better than years ago.

Right.

I'm happy to be alive now.

And I think a lot of this too propels me forward and makes me realize

because of people like Ryan who have only done the most beautiful and positive things for me

and changed me for the better, made me actually realize what life has to offer.

I would like to try to do that for others.

I would like to try to make a positive impact

for the world in the way that I can, like he did.

And I feel like it's kind of almost my mission to carry on his message in the way that he acted.

And

I think that's...

That's something that I aspire to be, but I see so many other people that have actually reached amazing levels of success that have been in these

platforms or these

places of competition for much longer than I have that are just absolutely exceptional.

And I feel like these

specific memories or specific strings of events that they've experienced have led them to become the person they are to perform at the level they do.

I think it's a

huge factor for like exceptional performers and exceptional athletes.

So

I'm just kind of curious, what do you feel like,

if anything, has driven you the most to like become this Olympian?

I use it.

I get kids, you know, they'll see me and the best reactions are from kids.

You know, and they look at you like you're some type of superhero, superhuman or something.

You know, so I run with it.

Now that I got their attention, now I could do a little teaching without them knowing I'm teaching them.

Tell them what they need to do and how they need to do what I'm doing.

You know, anybody can do it.

And

just giving them that right there, a role model to look up to can change everything.

And then, you know, I mix it with the type of person I used to be in the past.

I used to have.

Because automatically when they see me, is this dude's black, he has dreads, he's tatted up, he wears a gold grill.

He's somebody.

He has a damn rag on his head, you know.

And it draws their attention.

And so for a while, I actually worked at a children's hospital.

I was a mental health tech,

more so a therapist and a father figure to a lot of these kids.

When

before I, when I started there, it was crazy.

Like they specifically had a certain hour where they would riot out, just calls hell.

And then I remember my

helper, my my co-worker, left because she was on leave for her pregnancy.

So it was just me with 40 boys who were from ages

14, no, 15 to 17.

And they're all aggressive,

have, you know, suicide, ideation,

have assaults, you know, all the extreme shit, skits, everything.

One day I just remember like,

I didn't necessarily blow up on them, but, you know, they teach you to talk to them, like, hey, guys, what can we do to have a better day today?

You know, that bullshit.

I'm like, these kids have been through shit that I've been through, you know.

They've already been doing the most drugs.

They're adults in their heads, you know.

So my way of getting their attention was the way I'm talking on my videos or talk to people is how I was talking to them.

What the fuck are you guys doing?

And they react to that.

You know, they listen to that.

And once I was able to, you know, bring them in and talk about what my past was, not only do they think I'm cool

for having that past, but now they're seeing you ain't got to be that to be cool.

So I just started teaching these kids and we would sit down and talk about why they're in there and how we can make a plan to get them out.

So that was my goal while working at Willow

because you can't,

if you're in a children's hospital, it's a long-term stay, in care, there's nothing you could do for success.

other than to get out.

That's the only goal you can have.

Some kids graduate from there but i don't know if it counts as a diploma or whatnot but you know um

so that was the goal get them out so they can be all they can be and so that's what i was doing i was making the boys you know get out of there discharge out of there like crazy and uh i actually left that place because of the staff

you know after covet had happened um during covid i was watching 70 something kids to myself you know one side of the whole hospital and because we didn't have enough staff but it just wasn't appreciated and on top of that they would be the reason the boys would you know blow their shit so I ended up leaving

but um

you know still to this day there's a few kids uh that follow me on Instagram who were kids that I took care of in there

and you know seeing what they post where they have you know a family now or

they are graduating, getting ready to graduate,

you know, working and just doing shit the right way, you know that is the best feeling ever you know and when they write they reach out to me they you know they're so thankful um telling me that i'm like the father and that they wish they had and uh you know i still let them know to this day if you need anything come to me don't feel like you have to go do bad shit come talk to me we'll figure it out so i've actually

met up with one of them and um He was telling me a situation, you know, and he wanted to get his baby.

And I walked him through the process of how to do that.

So now he actually has part of custody of his baby now.

And, you know, and whenever he tells me he's getting the itch to, you know, do something stupid, you know, I correct it.

Well, think about this real quick.

This one time can do this for this long.

Is the benefit really worth the risk?

You know, and re-directs them.

You know, my sons, I go to their schools.

My oldest son, he went to Dilworth Middle School.

I actually coached their basketball team for a little bit.

Straight volunteer.

didn't even plan on doing it i was just one day watching them play and i started coaching from the sideline and then the coach uh

one of the coaches like yo come help us and they picked up me and my older brother just helped him you know play

b team went undefeated a team actually started winning games you know when we took over um

And some parents will reach out to me on Facebook or write me on Instagram.

And they're like, hey,

my son has a picture of of you in his room.

And I'm like, who's your son?

And they're like, he met you at the school.

He said you came to the school.

You talked to him, but because of you,

he's lost 30 pounds.

He wants to get in the gym.

So that's huge.

And

that's when I knew,

the things that I'm doing, bodybuilding and working out and these kids who are becoming fans, that's my calling.

You know, God just let me use this as a tool to help that.

You know, like I said, my little brother was drawn in the same way i was drawn in so if i could get my hands on them before the game does

then that to me is success you know that's the riches that's the blessings bodybuilding they say it's a selfish sport it is if you make it that you know i use it and it helped it's helped me with family come closer it gives my son something to brag about gives my kids something to brag about you know so i i think i tell people this all the time i'm not a bodybuilder.

It's what I do.

You know,

first

and foremost, I'm a God-fearing man.

You know, I'm a child of God.

That's who I am.

What I do is bodybuilding.

What I do is lift weights.

What I do is encourage these kids to be better and that they can be better.

You know, the truck I have, kids fucking love it.

The bike I have, kids love it.

You know, the Camaro, kids love it.

And, you know, they always tell me Revit or something when I go past them.

I'll do it.

I'll even pull over, let them get inside, you know, check it out.

They do Rev it.

And they see these things, how can I get it?

Dude, finish what you're doing with school.

Be a kid first.

Stay there.

Focus on nothing but school.

And then you hear parents reaching out.

And now you got them following you and they're keeping up with you.

So I don't know.

I just, that's what I use bodybuilding for, bro.

It's just a tool.

It's just a tool to help bring in the younger crowd.

They're the future of our, you know, our

lives.

So it's better that they're in the right place so we can continue to have a good world.

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So I know you took this year's Olympia off, but

what are the top things that you've been working to improve since the Olympia 2023?

When I got, so I, before I pulled out of Olympia this year, I reached out to a few judges and I was like, hey, I'm thinking about taking this year off, not doing Olympia.

I just want to grow.

And, you know, they were like, Well, how big are you trying to get?

I was like,

Not really a number, but 275 plus before I start thinking about another show.

And they're like, Yo,

would you step onto stage again, Alice?

In 23, I was 214.

214?

Yeah.

Gotcha.

And

they were like, Don't chase a number.

Like, don't try to get too big.

And, you know, Tyler feedback for New New York was

your hamstrings bring up your hamstrings you would have placed better so that it made me actually feel better because I was like yo are these people that far ahead of me that I'm just yeah you know what I mean and he when he said it was just my hamstring I'm like yo that's an easy fix I can I could I could just hammer him hamstrings I'll be good you know

and I talked to another judge and then they were like I would have placed you higher but you didn't bring the conditioning that we all know you can bring so I'm like damn so I can't even bend more in the fight.

But, you know, that's what really pushed me to like, okay, we're going to do offseason then and take this break and just try to try to grow.

And

when I was talking with Justin, he was like,

you know, we could do the offseason.

And in the midst of that, we could come off of all the bullshit and let your body just, you know, just chill.

instead of putting, you know, all these supplements in it.

And yeah, perfect cool.

Like, you know, it's not healthy taking it so it'll be healthy not to take it yeah so that's where the whole thing came in where he was like we're worried about it or we're taking a health phase and whatever whatnot and people heard that and thought oh shit something's wrong oh so people you were literally just planning to take a health phase so you could and obviously you would probably respond better later right but instead people just thought that you pulled out because of like some health issue or something exactly so that's the whole thing that was going on yeah fucking i was was like okay

if that doesn't tell you how the attention spent with humans is so bad that as soon as they heard health they were like yep let's go report this

and uh oh man so yeah we just you know decided to come off of everything and uh

let my body do its work on its own and we were just eating a lot of food and lifting and i was still growing and getting it and um When I seen the Olympia this year, I was kind of like, damn, I wish we would have did it, you know, because

I don't think a lot of people showed up conditioned like

the previous year.

I believe in 23, everybody was more conditioned than what it was this year.

And that alone would have, you know, bumped us up.

So I don't know.

I was just like, yo,

we could have been competitive, but there's a reason it's playing out this way, you know.

Like I said,

God-fearing man, you know, he does everything for a reason.

Yeah.

And

yeah, so, I mean, now all it's been with training is,

like I told Tyler, okay, like I told him, I said, I understand.

Don't try to get too big, but just complement what I have already.

Exactly.

He said, it's a good idea.

Yeah.

So that, and then when judges are telling you, you know, you're one offseason away from, you know, being in a fight, who wouldn't take an offseason?

I'll give up a year to fucking come back the next year.

And they're looking at me to be in the top five fight.

Hell yeah.

Yeah.

Fuck you.

You know, let's battle this shit out.

Yeah, 100%, dude.

Yeah.

So, yeah, that's what really i've just been focusing on bro is uh

for the most part after i was in brazil training with johan this is actually his shirt um my training's been that way i train the same way as i was when i was in brazil and that's what's been working for me um hamstrings have came up

i actually put a video up later but yeah so i mean what we've been setting to fix it is it's coming that's sick dude hamstrings are my weakness too bro that sucks yeah i don't know what it is i do so many hamstring curls man.

Fuck.

That's what it is right there.

You have to go heavy.

It's fucking nuts, dude.

I try to do RDLs too, but that shit just fucks up my

posterior chain.

Oh, yeah.

My lower lumbar, man.

Yeah, my lower back is fucking as well.

It's fucking hard, dude.

But I 100% agree with you, dude.

Like when Terrence, too, when Terrence took off this Olympia to make gains too, because he's been having trouble closing in this 17-pound weight gap, I was like, I feel like that's literally the perfect option, like the perfect route to go.

Cause right, I mean, what is this sport if it's not progress, you know?

And sometimes you have to make those moves, you have to make the smart chess, chess moves to get to the right place

to get that checkmate.

So, um,

I think,

and also I think that's kind of hilarious because I know like a couple of the questions in the Q ⁇ A were definitely asking, like, what, like, what's wrong with his health?

Like, why did he take this Olympia off?

And I'm like, it's so funny that you say that now because I'm like I'm literally sure that if I was like hey I'm gonna take a health phase and it's not literally like right after a show or something people will be like why are you taking a health phase bro like what's wrong like is this is this fucking is he gonna die like

it's like it's kind of it's crazy it's hilarious like my current coach and I planted My current coach and I did a little bit of a different structure this time.

So we took a rebound actually instead of doing a reverse diet and health phase post-show.

And so, my health phase is literally probably going to come up in like a few weeks or something.

Or, like, you know, I'm literally going to do a health phase because it's fucking important.

And, you know, maybe I might respond better afterwards, anyways.

So, it's a good idea.

But now that I think about it, it's like if I start talking about it, I'm sure there'll be people and there'll be comments that'll be like, See, now the fucking drugs are killing him.

That's why you shouldn't do steroids.

Oh, yeah, the worst is gonna come out, bro.

Like, it brings out the dogs and people.

Like,

they're going to talk this shit.

And truth be told, after Cal is when I hit up the judges and told them about taking off season.

But me being the fan I am in bodybuilding and the love I have for the fans of the sport, I can show you messages where I'm asking Justin, like, yo, how do I tell people?

Like, what do I do?

You know, how do we do this?

And he's like, bang, you just got to let them know.

I'm like, fuck.

Like, I feel like I'm going to let people down.

Then hearing people talk about me, where I'm going to place that, and, you know, how they're looking forward to meeting me and everything.

I'm just like, they're making this shit hard right now.

So that's why it took so long for me to even come out and say it.

That's just me respecting everyone.

But yeah, bro, I mean, nothing's wrong.

No, no health issues whatsoever.

I mean, all the progress pictures and videos I was posting at that time, that doesn't look like a sick person to me.

I mean, you know, I was getting ready to get on stage still.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I mean, honestly, you hardly ever look sick.

And I think part of it is also because you're always smiling in all your poses and everything, which I think is fucking awesome.

I have the hardest time smiling on stage, bro.

I'm so out of breath.

I need to work on that shit.

But

I feel, what was I going to say?

Something about,

I feel like sometimes when they say something like, don't worry about getting too big, I think

this is just, you know, I could be totally wrong.

I could have no clue what I'm fucking talking about.

But from the coaches I've spoken to, a lot of these Olympian coaches, and I had this podcast with Stefan Kinzel, and he kind of mentioned this to himself.

But I feel like there is this perception that if a bodybuilder is focusing on a certain number and getting there as fast as he can,

maybe the judges or the people involved and who hear his response are thinking like

he's not considering slowing down

to

prioritize his proportions over just gaining size.

And Stefan Keynes will say, said,

and I think when I say anabolics, I don't mean just like steroids.

I mean like any performance enhancing drugs, but sometimes I just say anabolics and people will think that that's what I'm saying.

But like these coaches will say like

like

if like sometimes taking too much PEDs or going too hard, taking too much PDs and having too much food volume can destroy physique or even expand their waist.

And I think this is probably where I feel like sometimes these judges will be like, you know, don't focus on getting to a certain number too quick.

Instead, try to focus on like just bringing up your hamstrings or just bringing up your lats and your shape,

improving the shape.

Because for sure, especially nowadays, now that I feel like they're focusing a little bit more on symmetry and shape,

it makes a fucking huge difference, you know?

Like,

I think Samson this year shows that, like,

even though a lot of the poses he was, he and Hadi, I think, were pretty head-to-head.

Um, nowadays, you can

possibly beat conditioning and shreds and hardness with shape and aesthetics.

I think Keon showed that last year.

I'd say, oh, yeah.

He's about to show that for the next 10 years.

Yeah.

Well, Keon fucking killed it with conditioning this year.

Oh, yeah.

So I feel like when he walked out on stage, I was just kind of like, whoa, that came over.

Yeah, bro.

It was nuts.

It was nuts, dude.

Fuck.

I'm excited to see where bodybuilding's headed, bro.

I love this sport so much.

Let's do the Q ⁇ A real quick because I know you got to head out here soon.

But

Cruising the Bodybuilding asks, how much more

is needed for?

Well, I think you, I think we already answered this, but he asked, how much more is needed for first call out for you?

2023 8th at 218 pounds was so good.

So, I mean, like I said, so in preps, I usually lose about 25 pounds to be stage ready.

So we figured if we hit 270, 270.

25 pounds only?

Yeah, bro.

Like, I mean, the pictures or the videos I've been posting, that's at 260.

So we said, I just stay lean.

Like, if I show you my note plan right now, which is Justin, say, eat whatever you want.

and as much as you can

to get rid of your abs.

Try to get rid of your abs.

Like, that's the goal right now.

So I've been been eating like crazy, bro.

Um, every morning is big breakfast from Denny's or McDonald's, um, KFC's just, oh, bro, it's so bad, pizzas, weeds.

Like, I'm going crazy right now.

I have Debbie cakes in the fucking cabinet.

No way.

Oh, yeah, before the gym, I'm doing it.

It's nuts right now.

And then I'll do protein shakes from Dragon, you know, but the mass gainer.

So I'm trying, but uh, yeah, so if we get up to 250, uh, or sorry, 270, you take away 20 pounds of that, you know, then I think even that might be too big i think 230 235 is perfect if i hit that stage weight that's perfect for me it's not uncomfortable you know it doesn't look

you know nasty it just looks like an aesthetic freak so that's really the goal is 230 235 stage weight that'd be dope and then keeping that tight waist out that way that'd be nuts dude it'd be crazy look like keon up there yeah

yeah you look fucking crisped at the new york pro dude like your lines your definition everything was so clean yeah i appreciate it we just didn't bring the condition.

We were actually heavy that show.

We pushed

a little bit of fullness.

We tried to come in full, full for that one.

What did they say that you were using was that you got first over second, that you beat his name?

Trying to remember his name.

Oh, Amir and Cal.

Oh, because

I thought you seemed more conditioned than he was.

Yeah, so I mean, if, so I was talking to Sandy.

She comes backstage and she talks to all of us.

And she said,

this was great.

You came in exactly how we wanted.

So what I do bro is I'll hit up so like New York I hit up Tyler and asked him what I could have did better and then I hit up Sandy who I'm gonna be in front of the following week Hey, what do I need to do better?

And then they judges talk to each other So they compare notes with each other and then you get the feedback Told Justin hey, we don't need to push size.

Let's bring our conditioning, you know, and

We came in with conditioning came with the tight waist the symmetry proportion all that shit was there lines were in and we came with the right amount of fullness without blowing out any lines.

You know, and Sandy came backstage, she said it, you know, this is what we were saying.

But she said, come, Olympia, bring your conditioning.

Don't chase size, bring your conditioning.

And I was like, all right, yeah, like, I got you, you know?

So that was the biggest thing is just

bringing my conditioning.

I feel like at this point, we need to act like Dexter to conditioning.

You know, that's got him Arnold's, that got him Olympias.

Like, play his game.

Yeah, yeah.

Plus, I feel like with with all this time that you've had off, you've probably been able to really ingrain your physique.

And

sometimes I wonder about the term muscle maturity, but I feel like you've definitely been able to breed in some real, true muscle through this offseason.

And I think that'll make it easier for you to bring the conditioning so that you don't like downsize too much.

You know what I mean?

If that makes sense, like hopefully, you gain a little bit of extra muscle so that now that you're not trying to keep as much fullness as before, you know, you could bring a better package and a better shape.

Right.

But

I got to ask you, because you freaking, you talked about,

wait,

I'm still fucking, I'm still fucking shocked at your diet, dude.

Wait, so what do you think about, what do you think about eating clean during the offseason?

Do you, have you, do you do that?

Have you done that before?

My first time doing that was actually when I got with Justin,

my coach before that,

Mike Courtney, who was with me from 2019 up until then,

I

would in prep, we're talking all the time.

But once that show ends, I let him know, hey, don't text me about no diets.

You know, I'm not listening to that shit.

So, you know, I would just do my own thing.

Eating healthy was not a thing.

I would eat fast food, whole pizzas.

Like, I was eating my favorite foods.

Yeah.

And it wasn't until I got with Justin where he was like, hey, after the show, like, let's eat clean, you know, let's just do this right.

So, I was like, You know, like, let's give it a try.

And the amount of like growth that happens, I'm just like, Why the fuck wasn't I doing this years ago?

You know, yeah, and uh, so yeah, I believe you definitely should eat clean offseason.

Um, I feel like when I'm eating the chicken and rice, because that was what my diet was, was just chicken rice, um, simple.

I didn't want to have to think more, and what meal was wet, so just chicken rice.

Um, I noticed the way I look in the the gym my muscle looked a lot more grainy you know i wasn't holding as much water yeah so i looked tighter um that's to where when i'd eat bullshit i'll be full of shit but those lines and definitions not there hell blurred bro and i feel hella inflamed and my stomach's protruding because it's not digesting properly trying to sharpen the image a little bit like

so yeah definitely believe you should eat healthy off season but um right now he was just like yo i need to lose your abs i'm like yo i've tried he goes eat as much as you can.

I mean,

until it physically hurts.

And I'm like, all right.

Damn, it's crazy.

I see, I see, I see.

All right.

I had this podcast with Justin Harris, and

he was stating

he normally has his athletes take Dorlax and Mirlax if they're having problems digesting.

Do you do that?

Nah, bro, I've never had an issue with that.

Even during like peak week, nothing.

That's I always say regular.

Oh, it's fucking tight.

Wow.

So even

in this offseason, though, when you're pushing so much food, like doesn't your gut like feel like it's protruding sometimes and like you're feeling bloated and shit?

Nah.

Nah, honestly, bro, like, so

when, because there's pictures or videos too where it seems like I'm pushing my stomach out, but it's actually the way my pelvis is turned.

So I'm rotated forward a little bit.

So it makes my stomach look longer.

And I'm actually going to chiropractor uh wednesday and they're going to be able to adjust my lower back and everything but um

that's why like if i stand straight up naturally i have an arch in my lower back and it's because of that which makes my stomach look like it's coming out gotcha gotcha

okay that makes sense and yeah with the amount of like food that we eat like yeah your your gut's obviously gonna come out just a little bit but right right that's that's cool to hear though

As long as I eat like clean, I never have any like digestive issues.

But bro, the moment I'll have like one like everything bagel flavored rice cake because it's got a little bit of like milk ingredient in it.

I'll fucking shit my brains out.

And I, dude, it's, it's just so, it sucks, man.

I feel like I have a rock in there.

Um,

Benjamin McQueen asks, do you regret the tattoos now that you are into bodybuilding?

No.

Um,

I got them when I was young.

Got them when I was young.

I got some from my friends started tattooing.

So that was just me supporting them.

I have my son's names on me.

So, no, I don't regret them.

I feel like it's a part of me.

It's who I am.

It's my identity, you know?

Yeah.

And it's crazy when people talk about tattoos and bodybuilding.

I'm the name that they bring up.

So I actually like the label.

I think it's fucking sick, dude.

Yeah.

Fuck it up.

If I could get more, I would.

I just don't know where to put it at.

No, yeah.

Yeah.

I

literally bodybuilding was the only reason ever why I well, no, that's not true because I was like an engineer at first and I was scared that like I wouldn't be able to I was just scared I was never gonna make money doing bodybuilding and then I would like I don't know suddenly I don't know lose everything.

So I was like, well shit, like I got this fucking degree.

I better not put tattoos in my body so I can have my backup just in case I fucking write this all this shit goes down.

But

and then one point I was just like, you know what?

Fuck it, bro.

Like I wanted these these dats so bad.

Like I feel like like it's, it's, uh, it's a nice little representation of my next step of

who I'm becoming in life and everything.

And right.

I just think it's fucking sick.

There's another one again.

Fucking Nelson Burns asked one on his blood work made him pull out of the o

fire.

Do you ever like notice any um have you ever noticed any like variances with your blood work whenever you were eating um like not clean in your offseason versus when you were eating clean?

Oh, yeah.

Um

blood pressure definitely goes up but i mean you also look at

man genetics naturally black people have a higher blood pressure than other races you know so when what's elevated to us

is extreme for you know someone else yeah um can't remember exact numbers but like it scared me when the accident happened and i got

They were doing my blood pressure or whatever.

And that shit shot to like 180 over something.

I was like, yo.

Oh, damn.

What's going on?

And they were like, you just been involved in an accident.

Like, that's why it's hard.

I'm like, oh, okay.

She was like, if it was that bad, we'll be in a different room right now doing different work.

I said, okay.

All right, we're good.

Oh, shit.

That's good.

Fuck.

Tifa asks, when did you realize that you were actually good in the sport of bodybuilding?

When I won my first show,

I did a

four-week prep.

Wasn't even prepping for it.

My woman at the time was doing the show and she was like well you should do it too and i said no thank you you know i'm not wearing underwear on stage yeah and um she kept talking to me about it kept talking to me about it so then finally we go to a nutrition shop who's been wanting me to do it i told him i'd do it he said he was sponsoring me and then he's like i'll help you with your posing he goes but for your diet whatever you've been doing just keep doing it So I'm like, all right.

I remember he walked in on me at work one day and I was eating in and out.

He goes, no, what are you doing?

I said, eating.

And he goes, I said to, you know, just do what you've been doing.

I said, this is what I've been doing.

This is what I eat every day.

You know, burgers, because we work right by in and out.

So I'll eat in and out or I'll go to scoopers and eat fast food there.

So that was my thing.

I'll eat breakfast.

I'll drink a shake.

I'll eat fast food.

I'll drink a shake.

I'll go to the gym.

eat, drink a shake.

And I'm talking about masculines, bro.

That was my diet.

And he goes, are you serious?

And I was like, yeah.

Not doing cardio, not taking anything.

I think the second week we went to Santa Cruz, and they, I seen them take Clint.

I didn't even know what this shit was, but that was my first time taking Clint.

I started taking Clint then.

Come to the show, I went to overall.

They sent me to Canada.

What year was it?

Uh, 2018.

2018, gotcha.

Sent me to Canada to compete at the Van Pro amateur program.

I think you fucking love Clint, by the way.

Oh, I fucking love Clint.

I think,

be smart about it, but I think it's great.

You know, you get some people when they hear about it, it's just kind of like, oh, you're trying to fucking make your heart explode.

If you're an idiot, you might be the one to do that, but

just take low doses, you know what I mean?

Yeah, just take lower doses for sure.

One Canada, or no, sorry, I got third there.

Not even knowing what a national qualifier meant or didn't know what, you know, if you win this show, you turn pro.

Didn't know what none of that shit was.

But I got third and I hated bodybuilding.

I was like, I'm done with this sport.

I quit.

And,

you know, a woman at the time and my friends were like, dude, you just got third out of them.

Pro qualifier.

Like, that's great.

This is your first one.

And I'm just like, nah, it's bullshit.

You know, and a promoter from Reno, Chris Menez, he hits me up and he's like, hey, you need to do out-of-town shows.

No more local.

So I don't think I'm in trouble or some shit.

So I take the year off and I go to Vegas to compete at Simpson Showdown.

I win that show overall.

And I remember Simpson came up to me.

He was like, I'm paying your way to do nationals.

You're going to USA's.

Oh, shit.

Just bring conditioning.

Didn't know what that shit meant, but I'm like, all right.

So I remember we're in the gym and I met my coach, Mike Courtney.

He goes, Hey, you look good, but let me help you become nationals then.

And at this point, we're five weeks out from USA's, four to five weeks out.

He sends me a diet.

I'm like, the fuck is this?

Like, I mean, pizza, fuck that.

Chicken and rice.

And, you know, she worked at Chili's.

So they have this cookie skillet.

So she would always bring me one with ice cream on it and everything.

So I was eating that before bed.

And probably about three weeks out, it was more so like, all right, I'm going to just follow him, see what he says, you know, do what it says or whatever.

We win USAs.

And

that's when I knew, like, okay, this is it.

Because you had, oh, I forget it.

I can't think of his name right now.

2019 USAs.

He actually played second to Derrick Lunsford in 2017, Michael Cleves.

So they actually thought it was going to him.

Everybody was already saying it.

And when I ended up beating him and, you know, becoming a pro, it was just like, oh yeah, this is the shit.

This is what we're doing.

So yeah, I think from the first show to winning USAs, you know, not taking anything to win, I knew this four was meant for me.

You know, it kicked me.

One of the questions,

honestly, Nym Ninja,

he literally asked that question.

He was asking, what age

did you become a natural?

I'll say

2019, we didn't do anything.

We took the rest of the year off.

2020, COVID happened.

So probably towards the end of 2020.

Damn.

That's more towards the end of 2020 because my coach hit me up again about doing

getting back in the season for 21, which we did Indy Pro.

Gotcha.

So

how much did you, do you remember how much you weighed like in 2020 versus your like your stage weight at like the beginning of 2020 versus your stage weight now?

Nah, because so 2020, we we didn't compete because COVID was happening.

I didn't know anything about the schedule or anything.

But in 21 for Indy Pro, I barely made weight because I was doing 212.

I think I weighed like 211 or 210.

I was 210.

And we were in a sauna from the morning all the way to check-ins, just in and out of the sauna until my weight dropped below 212.

And I didn't eat.

Like we were fasted the whole time.

So I did.

Yeah.

So my last meal was what, 10 p.m.

the the night before, and I fasted all the way to after checking for any pro to make weight.

Damn.

Holy shit.

What's the highest your calories have ever gotten in the offseason?

On my own?

Man, I remember I would eat,

shit, that's a good one.

Probably, I mean, just from my shakes, there are a thousand calories, and I would do three of those a day, you know, and that's after eating.

whether it's a whole pizza or a meal from

yeah pizza is my favorite or I mean I love Mexican food too

so I yeah I mean six seven thousand easy damn bro yeah easy what about when you were eating the cleaner like on your plan um

prep probably around 35 I know right now we will be around 3,000

maybe even higher because of all the carbs I eat so probably around 35 4,000 calories okay and then

and then oh during your yeah that's that's that's cutting down and i think that's

eating bullshit through off season and you just clean up your diet and do cardio because i don't do cardio in offseason yeah um your weight's gonna fall yeah and that's it worked for us and the more he would feed me the more my weight would just continue to drop damn yeah that's nuts so like the lowest your calories have ever gotten on prep um peak week when it's just uh

you know four ounces of chicken and a spoonful of peanut butter or

um

yeah

i feel like i'm starving

yeah it's a huge calorie drop bro.

Yeah, I'm like, fuck.

If I, if I didn't, you know, one of the things that stopped me from fucking up in prep is if I lose, I never want it to be my fault.

Yeah.

So, you know, even though I'm starving, I'm like, fuck, what can I do?

You know, and he'll tell me I could drink a little water.

And, you know, I'm like, I'll sip the water and I just had to sit.

Like, I don't even like swallow the water or anything.

I just had to sit there.

So, you know, I'm like, I need to laugh.

That's crazy.

That's hilarious.

Fuck, man.

I used to literally just have like those five-pound boxes of like spinach and kale.

And I would just just eat them like chips while I was like doing work on my computer.

I was like, bro, my fucking, I need to put something in my mouth.

Right, right.

Because I'm fucking dying right now.

Damn, dude, that's crazy.

How much cardio do you do in the

during prep?

So I like doing cardio in prep

to where I'll do 45 minutes on the stairs easy

in the morning and after I work out.

in the evening but then justin's yeah fuck that you don't need that much cardio

so he'll drop it down to where I'm just doing, you know, 30 to 40 minutes post.

Nice.

Damn, that's fucking sick, dude.

So I guess it's you.

What it sounds like is like you just have like a higher calorie maintenance.

And yeah, metabolism is crazy.

Yeah, it's a lot easier for you to drop weight on.

That's nasty.

Fuck.

Lift heavy asks, he's mentioned using SARMs in the past.

What gear and or SARMs had he used?

Oh man, SARMS.

I fucking love YK-11.

LGD is good.

Rad 140.

I didn't, I wasn't really a fan of MK until I understood what it was, and it's supposed to mimic HGH.

Yeah, but best stack, I would have to go with RAD, LGD, and YK.

At this time, I had all three of them.

I had two bottles each of each one.

And you read that there's no side effects from it, then you read that there's hella side effects from it.

So I wanted to find out for myself.

You know, I was doing two RAD, two LGD, two

YK11, three times a day.

So I was just fucking pill-popping, right?

The only side effect I got was getting big as shit.

There was no, yeah, nothing, no acne, no hair loss, no voice change, no ED, nothing, nothing.

Like, I was just getting bigger and bigger and fast.

That's crazy.

So I actually caught COVID in 2020,

pneumonia.

And when I got back into the gym, I did it, and the size I lost came right back within a month and a half, too.

That's on top of all the food I was putting down, too, though.

Yeah, yeah, damn, bro.

That's crazy, man.

Yeah.

I don't recommend doing that.

There it is.

It's fucking hilarious.

Oh, shit.

Everybody's going to be jumping on the stack now.

Right.

Tutor Chris asks,

Did you have real beef with Nick Walker or

or not?

Nah.

Nick is my boy.

When I was in Brazil, Nick was reaching out to me every day,

asking how I'm doing.

I was sending him my check-ins.

He was telling me, you know, we're in the right spot.

So he was actually pushing me through prep.

You know, when he was going through things he was going through, I was talking to him.

You know, we check in on each other.

Came to New York.

He reached out to me.

He was like, hey, let's stir some shit up.

Talk a little shit.

So I'm like, yeah, whatever, you know, like, i'm down um the problem is me and talking shit like i i like to joke back but i was never a talker so when he would say things like i think he said the walmart version of dexter jackson or some shit yo i actually text him like you motherfucker

And he messages me.

He goes, hey, if I say anything that's too much, just let me know.

And I'm like, nah, bro, you're good.

Like,

it's words, you know what I mean?

It's entertainment for people.

So why not?

You know, so I'll shoot subliminal messages back about, you know, let's see who gets ring number two first, you know, shit like that.

But no, none of that was beef.

That was friends being assholes.

Like, yeah, that's fucking hilarious, bro.

That's fucking sick.

Oh, shit.

Fuck you.

Bucky Barton asks, what SRIs or anxiety medication might you use to counter mental issues?

Honestly, I don't do any

pills.

When it comes to anxiety going crazy, it's when, like I said, me and my friends, we always tell each other, hey, you have a second.

Anxiety comes from thinking, you know, so much going on, fear of the unknown, whatever.

So it is just,

at some point, you learn, if you train yourself on it, to just stop and take a second.

That monster you're building right now, break it down into smaller things, you know.

Biggest anxiety is people with, you know, have to get this done, this done, that done, and this done.

They're thinking about it all at once when really all you have to do is this today.

And then in two days, you have to do that.

So just instead of building that big ass monster that's going to always win, just break them down.

And I think that's what, no, that is what gets me through.

Anytime I'm having

anxiety or getting the itch to, you know, fuck up or anything like that, I just plant myself down and give myself a second.

Yeah.

I like that a lot, bro.

Anxiety is definitely derived from our minds for sure.

I found this question honestly kind of interesting because the reason why I asked it in that way was I wasn't sure if you had actually talked about like SSRIs or something in your past or whatever or not, but maybe it's completely unrelated.

But

what I believe and what I know,

or at least from what I know, is that

most people do not need SSRIs for them to combat anxiety.

However, unfortunately, a lot of these things sometimes do come from hormone fluctuations.

Whether or not you're a girl and you're experiencing a lot of things through your period, or maybe you have

a form of

premenstrual,

the premenstrual something syndrome, or if

you are a guy and you're taking...

I don't know, nandrolones at a high dose for the first time, and this is causing you anxiety too.

Like, I feel like a lot of these things can come out out of nowhere.

And when we experience anxiety, at least I and my friends who have experienced this anxiety, sometimes we just, it comes out and we don't really realize that we're feeling very different.

Because you don't, it's like, it's kind of hard for us to remember what we ate like two days ago or three days ago during at 3 p.m.

But it's almost weird because like if you try to think about like, how did I feel two days ago?

It's kind of fucking hard to remember.

And

that's where I think it comes that when someone when you feel anxiety sometimes it's hard to remember if this anxiety is new if it's coming out of somewhere that you haven't been experiencing um and you can but it can be hard i think and i think that's where people start going in their minds like what's the cause of this anxiety sometimes they start blaming on their boyfriend or their girlfriend or they're blaming it on other outside factors or all the things that are on their plate

And sometimes it's only, it's because of all those external factors, or sometimes it's actually because

your fucking estrogen has dropped below range and you're fucking going out of your mind, but actually everything else around you is okay.

You know, it's fucking, it's a mind fuck, dude, because there's so many causes, I think, for anxiety, but in my opinion, like if you've learned to get your hormones in check and you are not one of those few people where SSRIs seem to actually be.

the only option.

I think it's a very, very, very, very tiny percentage, but there are people where it just seems like sometimes they find a medication such as Prozac and it does work well for them and they don't have side effects, but everything else that they've tried just doesn't seem to work, including holistic methods.

I think if you've solved that and you realize your hormones are in check, I think the most important thing is literally what you said is your thoughts.

Yeah.

What's going on through your mind?

What do you believe?

Yeah.

Breathe.

That shit always brings me back to baseline.

All right, we're just going to do this last question or last two questions and then let you go.

I fucking held you for too long, bro.

I'm sorry.

Oh, you're good.

You're good.

Alberto255 asks, if you would have to stick to three PEDs, which would they be in why?

If I had to stick to three?

Yeah.

Test, because naturally, as men, you know, it starts to decline.

So I'll keep that, of course.

Man,

whoo.

What else?

No orals.

Don't need that to impact the insights.

What do you think about GH?

Oh, yeah.

That's okay.

Yeah.

That's definitely a good one.

Hell yeah.

I mean, shit, I'll one-up it a little bit and go insulin.

Oh, damn.

Okay.

Yeah, because I mean, think about insulin.

That's the driver of all foods, right?

Like, that's the most

that's going to drive nutrients into the muscle to help it grow.

I think

taking HGH and insulin is probably a better stack than test than anything else.

So that'll be my three.

Okay, fire.

If if if we if we hypothetically paired HTH and insulin in like the in just like your second PD, what would the third one be?

Um

probably

go with

DECA.

All right.

Um, I say it, I know a lot of people like trend.

Hell yeah, but that's

fast.

Yeah.

Not gonna do that.

Decker is actually a wet compound, right?

So,

you know, those who like to lift heavy is gonna help with that, uh, those joints a lot more.

And it's not something that you have to pin frequently, you know?

It could be every seven or so days.

Gotcha.

Gotcha.

So I'm assuming that you're not someone that gets anxiety from

DECA or gets DECA dick.

No.

Yeah, that's nice.

That's nice, bro.

I can do NPP.

Fine.

Fucking NPP is good, but I do DECA for some reason.

And, bro, it's like...

I don't fucking

it's fucking rough, dude.

No, I haven't experienced that yet.

I'm just, I'm so scared to go on DECA again because I feel like my girl will leave me.

Oh, that's funny.

Um,

uh, last question.

Kyle Jewell asks, have you ever hit a plateau in body weight?

What did you do to push through and keep going?

You know, I did just this last time.

We were stuck, stuck at 250, 257.

And I'm like, yo, I can't break this fucking 260 mark.

And

it's crazy because that motorcycle accident happened.

So now I'm not lifting or taking supplements.

It's been what?

I think I was out for two and a half weeks.

And then I started lifting again.

Started my appetite fucking boosted up for some reason.

And right away, weight jumped up from the 240 because I dropped down.

So from 240, I'm now back up to 258.

Yeah.

And oh, yeah, by the end of the day, I'm over 260.

So I'm like,

God was telling me, you need, you want that 260?

I'm going to give it to you.

Take a break.

That's fucking sick.

Hell yeah.

So, yeah, I just, you know, rest.

Rest days are important.

All right.

I got one last question I ask everyone at the end of every podcast.

But if you were to disappear from the world tomorrow and you had one message you could send to the entire world today, what would the message be?

Oh, shit.

Man, my favorite quote that I live by is, if there's no enemy within, the enemy on the outside can do no harm.

so

if someone's talking bad about you and if you don't believe it you know it won't affect you that way but if it's something you already believe about yourself now you know what you need to go work on damn bro that's powerful dude

fucking powerful

fuck yeah

oh yeah dude thanks for coming on man this was episode man i appreciate you having me yeah where can everybody find you um instagram handles tonio underscore burton same thing with youtube just tonio burton um

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So thanks again for coming on, man.

That was dope.

No, I appreciate it.

Sorry.

I kept you for so long.

I know you have your kid to pick up.

Oh, no, you're good.

I'll get there.

I'll get there.

Thanks again, homie.

All right, bro.