Said Sergeyevich: Drug Use Then vs. Now

I lost a lot of friends.

I had to leave a lot of people behind.

It's gonna sound selfish, but if you would...

We got side one of the legendary OGs of the fitness industry and the quote-unquote aesthetics movement.

Trend came in on like the third cycle and probably like 500 grams of trend like a week as well.

And I ran trend for like two years straight.

Sometimes the night sweats would be pretty bad.

I thought about doing classic but I thought to myself that my legs aren't big enough.

No matter how hard I tried to eat and train hard, I just wasn't growing.

Another big thing thing that i changed is i would eat more red meat yeah the last week was 1300 second last week was 1400 third last week was about 15 1600 that was like yeah it was brutal man and i did a dexter scan the upper body got scanned and don't be one end of the extreme we're just marty and reckless and crazy and don't be another end where you're 21 in a relationship waiting to get married all you do is work and focus on online business or whatever kind of business what does the legacy mean to you and how it's changed over time so i think now what the legacy means to me is

Before starting this podcast, I just wanted to say that ideating steroids for a full show is not widely accepted because it discounts the real work, which is the backbone of this sport, and unfortunately, spreads that an unsafe chemical solution is all you need for results.

Both of these are antithetical to society's understanding of the sport.

And while there will always be some that claim that PEDs are all you need, I would like to deliver an honest message of what is required for achieving top performance as well as the dangers associated with this route.

I received this comment from a user named Night Skarrens.

But just as a rock climber, the athletes undergoing this path in the sport are willing to put their life on the line for their passion.

Just the danger between the two sports is different.

Luckily, we do have safety nets in the sport, such as organ imaging and regular blood work.

But that doesn't change the high risk one must accept in taking on this competitive lifestyle.

Last time we were speaking, pretty sure we were probably both single.

We definitely were.

And now we have both our partners here in the room.

Yes, we do.

So this is going to be an interesting one.

Indeed it is.

Indeed it is.

How much are we going to have to hold back?

A little bit, perhaps.

Yeah.

I don't know.

They're not really paying attention.

I don't think so either.

We'll probably be shy.

We'll just do our thing.

Because let me tell you, our combos last time were...

Very, very different

to what they're going to be now.

Yeah.

How are you finding life with a partner?

Pretty fucking awesome.

It's good, huh?

Yeah.

More stable, more relaxed.

Less

hunting around and prowling.

Less hunting around and prowling.

Doing stupid shit.

Less

not in trouble as much and just kind of being more grounded, more focused on the things that matter, like work and business.

100% more focused on

better priorities.

Yeah.

The priorities change a lot.

And how do you know?

I keep it a secret for fun.

Okay.

You know, Patty, Patty.

Why do I always forget her

wean beef Patty?

Oh, yeah.

That female influencer, yeah.

She doesn't tell anyone her age, just for the hell of it.

And even if we like poke, poke her for it and like tell her

ask her to tell us her age.

Man, I should start doing that.

I want to be like 50 one day and just let people guess my age.

Yeah, I mean, the main reason I do it is because I'm Asian, so.

Yeah, if you can get away with it, no one will know.

Exactly.

They'll think either, like, I don't know.

You could probably get like young or like kind of like a bit older, but I don't know.

It's also kind of fun to see, like, the...

I know who's

I just want you to tell me.

I know.

Yeah, I won't say it.

It's also kind of fun to see if there's any haters,

like haters that will like judge on any PED use.

Yeah.

Be like, look at this guy.

He looks like he's fucking

aesthetically 30 or something.

I didn't even think of that.

That's a good way of thinking about it.

Because, like, yeah, when I tell people I'm 38, they're like, oh, wow, like you got a full head of hair and you don't look like petted out.

Like, you know, like, because like a lot of pet users, when they're 40, like, I'm almost 40, dude, they look worn out you know and exhausted and all that stuff you definitely can yeah so i mean there's always like measures you take to like help yourself like look better and like that like also the stuff you take like the androgens you take like 19 nors and things like trend and all that stuff and orals that are always going to like ruin you in the long term like especially like because they have such a toxic effect on the liver and that comes out in your skin like you know you get that yellow look to your skin like jaundice and stuff so people that do that or high trend you can always tell when someone's on on high trend because their skin's like a reddish-pinkish glow, and you can just see it like you, like hypertension all the time, forehead veins, and shit.

So, it's like, it's pretty easy to pick on.

So, like, I don't know, like, you get an eye for it when you've been in the industry enough.

You can kind of see when someone says what they're using, if they're being honest or not, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like, and you can just kind of gauge it.

So, that's how, I mean, that's kind of how I feel, but to be honest, I just think that there's so much variance.

People are starting to think that they're the all-knowing gods of whether or not someone is taking 500 milligrams of trend or not.

Like, exactly.

It's not about now, it's not, it's now it's not about being, it's not about being natty now.

It's about everyone's just underplaying their dosage.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, I'm only half running a cycle.

I'm just doing a mini cycle.

I'm not running a thousand MGs of tests.

Yeah.

It's a little silly, man.

I think, and it's obviously silly because you and I have been doing it for a while.

So you and I understand how it actually affects us.

And it's like, like, none of that actually matters, you know?

I mean, yeah, like, no one goes like, no one talks about it, like, oh, my God, you're running 750 MGs of tests.

You're not natty.

Like, what's the difference from that and 250 MG or 125?

Like,

really, like, it's still enhanced.

Like, I don't know.

I think it's more about like how long.

Like, if anyone really wanted to judge anything, I don't think anything should be judged from someone else.

I think you should just focus on yourself, obviously.

I think it's just people are saying it for like ego reasons.

Like, you know, if, because

you can, it just sounds better if you say, oh, I'm just running 250 MGs of test and, you know, you're like, you're 95 kilos lean shredded than if you say, oh, I'm running like 750 MGs of test, trend, anovar, climby, or it just doesn't sound that good.

Well, I like to tell, like, I like to press to the people that maybe do feel like someone is lying just because they're not running nearly as much as this other person is.

Yeah, sure.

Bro, even if you're running a fuck ton of gear, it means nothing against you.

Like, you could also, like, very, very big guys, the bigger you are, need to run more things, yeah.

But then you have influences like this.

Uh, I've seen this bloke on Greg Dussey's channel, like Togi and stuff, yeah, running like thousands of MGs of tests just to like feel good and stuff.

So, there's like so many opposite ends of the spectrum, you know, there's people doing it just to feel good, there's people doing it for like bodybuilding, like competing reasons.

I feel like the reasons that, and I might be biased here, but whatever.

I feel like the reasons that we do it for are pretty like genuine.

Like, we actually want to compete.

You're an IFBB pro.

I was, am whatever you want to call it WBF pro looking to make my debut into the IFBB which we'll probably chat about later so it's like we've got like a goal we're aiming for something you know so I feel like when it's like that it's I guess you could say it's more justifiable

it makes more sense but there's just so many people now just doing it for like whatever reasons but I guess In saying that, you could also say like people start off not knowing what they want to do.

They don't know if they want to compete.

They don't know if they want to be a fitness influencer or get up in this space.

So, I mean, who are are we to pass judgment and someone like just starting off who's young, who's obviously doing probably the same shit that we're doing when we're like 21, 22?

But the thing is, like, we can give that advice now to like the younger gen to like help them and navigate them so they don't make the same mistakes that we did.

Right.

Um,

this is a really hard thing to talk about, honestly, because the place I like to be is I just try I just want to not judge anyone in their position regardless of what their desire is, because I know that everyone comes from a completely different place.

And I think all we really want to see in ourselves is growth.

But some people,

maybe their genetics, maybe

their living, maybe how they grew up, maybe the amount of money their family has.

Competing just doesn't even seem remotely in the cards or something.

Yeah, for sure.

But they meet someone in the gym who's selling Trend for fucking 50 bucks

out of his car in a in a gym car pot sounds promising 50 dollar vials um

and like

i also think that

you know i don't wanna

i don't wanna be like oh you should only be taking gear if you compete because there's the other side of that argument where it's like maybe this guy is literally just using the statement of him competing as validation for him really just wanting to use gear.

That's a really good and valid and interesting viewpoint.

I actually respect that a lot because it could be a blanket statement that people hide behind for their obviously apparent drug use.

So that's that's another way of looking at it.

And then, yeah, you're right.

Like who are we or who's anyone to judge people doing like, for example, like a cycle or just like wanting to jump on peds to like improve their body, especially like people like without the best genetics.

I started off in the game like that.

Like, you know what I mean?

I started off, but I didn't know what I was doing.

So at the time, I thought what I was doing was okay.

And I was doing like high dosages and things like that.

I think we spoke about this on my last podcast that we did together.

I did want to ask you about one of those things, too.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

So, I mean, while we're on it, what did you want to ask?

So, before we forget,

before we resume, by the way, guys, this was a completely spontaneous podcast.

Oh, yeah.

So, I literally just hit him up like a few days ago.

Yeah, no, from town.

Honestly, I have no clue what topics we're going to cover.

But these are the best kind of podcasts, man.

When they're not planned, you know,

for sure.

Yeah, I don't know how much on the the verge of potentially being canceled we'll get, but uh, we're doing so far, so good.

I think the thing I was starting to remember in the last podcast: this is Saeed,

god damn it, you fucked it up last time, too.

You got the first name right, last name.

Last name is the one you always struggle with.

This is fucking chess, bro.

Go on, try that last name.

Said Sergeyevich.

Oh, you got it, bro.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

There are a couple of things.

I think I butchered your name last time too, but Niall Naga.

Naga.

Naga.

Naga.

All right.

We're even now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're even.

Naga sounds like that.

Is that the mystical creature?

That's like, do you know what I'm talking about?

Not really.

All right, never mind.

Scratch it.

Sorry, but you lost me there.

Yeah, Niall Naga.

I actually one time had an Instagram account called the Naga Please, but I think I haven't seen it once,

unfortunately.

But yeah, we got side.

One of the

legendary OGs of the fitness industry.

Thank you, brother.

And the quote-unquote aesthetics movement, one of the great legendary

Severian brothers.

Thank you, brother.

Thank you.

But both of you...

Okay, we talked about this on the last podcast.

We did, but we can just...

Which one was your last name again?

Severtian.

It's funny you say that because when I made my Instagram, the name Chespra was taken.

Some fucking, some dude took that account, so I couldn't even claim it, which is unfortunate.

I think maybe like the follower count would be high if I just had Chespra instead of Say Said Segevic.

So Segevic is my middle name.

Someone also had the account Said Severtian.

If you check out my name on Instagram now, if you want to pull it up, there's so many people that have got fake accounts of me.

So they all just took my name.

So I had to run with my middle name.

Gotcha.

But my full name, Said, Segevic Severtian.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

But

yeah, what I was going to ask from the last podcast was I remember you saying that you first started taking PDs when you were

22.

Yeah, around 22.

Then you were taking, i think you said ridiculous amounts 500 megs of test off the bat and then maybe 400 megs of trend

uh trend came in on like the third cycle but yeah i started about 500 megs of sus 250

and that was around the age of 23.

when i hit the age of about 25 i went a bit haywire and i started doing like a gram of test a week and probably like 500 grams of trend like a week as well and i ran trend for like two years straight so from the ages like 25 yeah bro from the ages of 25 to 27, but a lot of it was like peer pressure,

just wanting to grow, just not the right information,

not knowing what's good and what's bad for me.

And yeah, just a lot of it was trial and error because I grew up in a time where there wasn't too much information on this on social media.

And the places where we would go would be like just bodybuilding forums, like the MISC and stuff, RIP.

The MISC forum just recently got nuked.

So it was like forums like that where I'd get my information.

So a lot of it was like trial and error.

Like obviously looking back now, now, it's just like, wow, how stupid was I to be running such high dosages?

And I didn't really make any gains because I wasn't training the correct way of a bodybuilder or eating the correct way of like a bodybuilder should.

So really I was wasting all those receptors for nothing.

But I mean, that's what we were talking about before, like seeing all the young kids doing it now.

Yeah.

Like they're just doing the same thing that not all of us, but most of us jipheads were doing back then, you know?

I think some people are probably going to

people like to argue about verbiage, and I can understand that because communication can be important.

I'm sure when you mean like wasting your receptors, because people are going to also make the argument about androgen receptor

uptake with the presence of androgen use.

So technically, your receptors don't downregulate, but I mean,

is there scientific proof on that?

Because I know the higher dosages you run, it's kind of like a risk versus reward.

So running more is not doing anything more for your gains because you're getting more side effects.

And yeah, like the the body does have receptors, and there's a certain point where doing more is actually not doing better for like your physique, you're actually doing like the opposite.

It's like trend back in the days, you would think, or young kids would think that oh, running trend for a long period of time is going to make me grow.

It's five times as strong as test, yada, yada, yada.

But now we know that trend is ideally used as a you know to stop muscle catabolism.

Yeah, in the last six weeks of a bodybuilding prep, that's what it's most useful, and that's what it's like, actual like best usage will come out of trend for that reason most effective for the results versus risk yeah ratio yes

that I think that explained it really well I think one of the problems is a majority of us that do use this for like bodybuilding purposes or whatever understand

this that like as you hire as you increase the dose

you notice that at some point you kind of have to increase it a little bit more after using it for some time.

That's true.

You have to increase it just a little bit more.

And that's something, sorry to cut you off.

That's something that I try to like keep always at a minimum these days because I don't want to get to a level of increasing.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, which is also a great reason why a lot of bodybuilds will come off, whether or not they cruise, whether that they come off completely.

Yeah, true.

You know, they'll literally lower the dose.

But

yeah, so it continuously increases.

And then also, you know, if you go past a certain point that your body can take, you start being susceptible to a lot more side effects.

Correct.

And the risk to reward becomes greater so um something that i was talking about with dr todd lee was basically like

i think sometimes the whole upregulation certain people not everybody maybe just a tiny tiny percentage of people use the whole upregulation of the androgen receptor as almost like an excuse that they can take more gear or an excuse to take more yeah i'd believe that too yeah but um uh it seems So you have a certain amount of receptors, and then

you take, say, a certain amount of gear, say it's 500 megs of test, and say, say like you're a beginner or something, and you only have so much muscle to saturate your receptors at like 500 megs of test.

If you go up to 600 megs of test, 700 megs of test,

a lot of that

doesn't have any receptors to, like, once your receptors are already saturated, then the propensity of the rest of that

anabolic that you're using is going to increase the susceptible the susceptibility for you to have side effects.

So, like, what's the purpose of increasing after a certain point if you're only going to be, you know, prone to more side effects?

And I think it's completely unrelated to the upregulation of androgen receptors.

But if you keep taking over the course of time and you keep gaining more muscle, then you're going to be able to take even more gear.

And that's where that comes into play, if that makes sense.

So, it's all, would you say that it's all dependent on, obviously, like how much muscle your body has and how much muscle you're holding would be be

a determining factor of like how high your dosages should be.

So, obviously, a 100-kilogram bodybuilder who's been in the game for like 10 years is obviously going to need a higher dose of androgens than, say, a 70-kilogram bodybuilder.

You would only need a fraction of that to get good results for where he's at.

Yeah, so hypothetically, saying that they have the exact same genetics.

Yes.

Yeah.

I think that would be valid.

Okay.

At least that's what Dr.

Toddley and I were discussing.

So

obviously none of us know anything, really.

Yeah,

based off anecdotal evidence.

I have to watch that podcast with you on him.

I saw that pop-up, actually.

That'll be a good watch.

It was cool, dude.

He's a smart guy.

Yeah, wow.

Okay.

I mean, we kind of clicked right off the bat because he saw my Final Fantasy sword at the thing, and we just started talking about Final Fantasy

games.

But

yeah, sorry, we kind of went on a tangent, but the main reason that I was asking is I was curious, like, in that period of time that you were running this much gear that you feel like was,

I assume, just like way more than you needed, at least to your own perception.

What do you feel like was the outcome of that?

Do you feel like you experienced certain side effects from taking trend for that long?

Yeah, definitely in the mood, I was a lot more erratic.

The sleep wasn't as good, wasn't as deep.

Obviously, the hypertension, so I could just, I just felt like more on edge and I didn't feel as like relaxed and as calm as I am now.

And on top of that,

sometimes the night sweats would be pretty bad.

So just sweating during REM sleep, if I even achieved REM sleep, to be honest, I don't think I probably did.

Yeah, those were the main ones.

And I felt like I wasn't really putting on weight or muscle.

I was just staying lean.

So

no matter how hard I tried to eat and train hard, I just wasn't growing.

And I don't know, I still don't know at this point if that was because I wasn't eating enough or adequately enough in the correct foods or if it was because I wasn't training in the correct way or if it was because I was genuinely like fried my receptors from being on androgen such as trend for that long

I still I still don't know the answer to that to be honest I'm going to say it's all three

because when I took trend away when I dropped the test and brought it super down to like 250 mgs on a cycle 125 mgs cruising and just focused more on the food and the sleep and training hard and proper and got a coach, everything changed.

My doses were like a fourth of what they used to be and I just grew so much.

I like the thought of me now, if I was to run a thousand mgs of test, would excite me.

But I have too much fear to do something like that for like this obvious side effects, the bloating, the hair loss and things like that.

If those things didn't exist, then yeah, you know, I probably would.

I'd see how far I could push it, but I don't don't think it's worth it for me.

I'm only going to be competing in men's physique, IFBB,

for my debut.

So I don't think it's important for me to be overly big.

I'm not going to be trying for classic.

Like I know you're trying for classic.

I thought about doing classic, but I thought to myself, and maybe it's my body dysmorphia talking, but I thought to myself that my legs aren't big enough.

Your legs are pretty fucking big, bro.

You reckon?

Yeah, there you go.

I've got body dysmorphia.

It's bad.

But you've got to understand some of the IFBB guys in Australia that are doing classic, my legs look small compared to theirs.

They have monster legs.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

So like my upper body, my upper body might be okay to play with the big boys, but not my legs, man.

They're still playing catch-ups with these classic physique guys, and which is why I feel like a men's physique might be the perfect category for me because it's more focused on just like that upper body beach aesthetics.

And it's a look that I can bring every time I shred down and get lean for competition.

So yeah, that's just where I'm at, I guess.

took a bit of a tangent but um i guess what was what were you saying before that about the androgens right yeah what do you think of like, in terms of what I mentioned, like

why that might have not been beneficial at the time, like the training, the high androgens and the lack of knowledge?

No, I think it was all three, to be honest.

I think it all makes sense.

I just like to ask, I just like to ask a lot of my guests this if they're open to like talking about it, just because everyone has the same experience.

It seems that everybody has the exact same experience when it comes to like them running too much gear in the beginning and how they felt side effects and they didn't see any growth and all these things.

And then years later, you know, say they get a coach, they bring down the amount of gear that they're taking or the amount of drug use that they're taking and then they up the training they up the nutrition they actually start tracking and um they have an actual training program that's tailored towards them you know engaging in strictly hypertrophy and they just make so much gains on lower doses and obviously real quick guys so while i was looking at the youtube analytics i actually saw that 85 of you guys that watch this channel are not subscribed and i want to ask very little of you guys, but if you enjoy this podcast, if you find value in it, then please do me this one favor and subscribe to the channel because doing so helps me get bigger and greater guests like the guests you are listening to today.

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I've been discussing this with a lot of top bodybuilding coaches,

which is I'm really excited to be able to do now

with this platform and everything.

But a couple of of them have said, which, and I trust them with everything I got, because man, they've got some years of experience and some amazing athletes out there on the Olympian stage.

But

they all say the same thing.

Like, if you want to keep your weight small,

part of the thing that you need to do to keep that weight small in the offseason is one, focus on good digestive health.

That's probably the most important.

Focus on good gut health, right?

If you're always stuffing yourself, you're always bloated.

This like internal pressure versus the external pressure is just going to continuously make your stomach huge.

And you know, you can bring it down, but as you keep building like that over the course of like what, a year, two years, three years, four years, that makes a difference.

Same thing as like a girl or like whoever, just anyone using corsets, you notice how it'll shrink their waist over time.

Yeah, I think it's just time.

I might like to add on that.

I think a lot of it is also stomach control, vacuums, right,

keeping your stomach tense, you know.

Like every time I bulk, personally, my stomach bloats out a little bit on my bulk.

But every time I shred down, I'm known to have one of the smallest waists with the tightest midsections on stage.

But I think a lot of it is also genetics, to be quite honest.

Genetics is first.

Yeah.

But now, like, whenever I talk about my podcast, this is us considering like we all have our own genetics.

Of course, if you're going to upsize and grow, of course, everything's going to grow.

Like, you say you put on 20, 20 pounds or, you know, as you guys like to call it pounds in America and we call it kilos.

Let's say we put on 10 kilos in the offseason.

And then when you cut down and you're a bigger human than when you were before the bulk, of course, over time, year after year after year, like everything's going to grow.

Like, you can still keep a tight waist as long as all your other proportions are growing, you know.

So, like, I started with a 28-inch waist, but now on off-season, when I'm bulking, my waist can be 34 inches.

And when I cut down for competition, it can hit as low as 30.

You know what I mean?

So, it's bigger than when it was 28.

Actually, it could be about 31, 30 to 31.

So, even though it's not 28, like it was like five years ago, it's still considered small.

So a lot of it is also genetic.

Some guys naturally have wider hips or a wider waist.

So they're a bit screwed in that department.

But I agree with what you're saying.

Like I feel like gut health.

So like also like taking things like sauerkraut and things for like digestion helps a lot.

I also think stomach control doing vacuums helps a lot, which is something that everyone should do, even in their off-season.

Yeah.

What would you say about ab training and oblique training?

I'm actually just what you say about that.

That actually goes along with what I was discussing earlier, was internal versus external pressure.

is if you're doing vacuums then you are focusing on that external pressure to bring your waste back down yep so if you're always having this internal pressure of like food and other shit going on in your gut that's pressing out your gut i mean obviously what's going to result from that you know what i mean our thing is like a rubber band so it will go back down but it takes time if you're growing it out over the course of four years how much time is it going to take for it to go back down probably less but it's still going to take some time well this is some bodybuilders some top bodybuilders that have gone through literally a period of time where they've a year only had three meals reduced their calories significantly, and they got smaller overall, but their waist got a lot smaller.

They were able to fix their proportions.

Of course, yeah, of course.

The second thing I was, the reason I brought this up in the first place is the second thing that these coaches said that was seemingly really, really important: is the more anabolics you do, the harder it is to keep your waist from growing.

More anabolics or higher dose anabolics?

The higher, the more, whatever, just the more gear you take for your body,

the harder it is for you to keep your waist from growing.

Interesting.

Okay.

So, and you think the longer bulks are obviously culprit for like that kind of stuff.

So, what would you, in your experience, what would you say like a long bulk is?

I've never bulked any more than, say, like nine months in my whole life.

Yeah, so I don't know.

This is probably my longest bulk ever, and I'm already like kind of like not happy with like being bloated and having like a bloated belly and things like that.

But I know every time I've done a bulk, the most I've gone is like six to nine months.

And when I cut down, my waist is super tiny, super, super tiny.

But it's interesting you to say this and hear this because I think a lot of it personally is genetics.

I think a lot of it is also like how long you're going to bulk.

So do you think that plays a fact?

I know we said genetics, dude, but do you think the duration of the bulk could also play into this?

Because obviously, if you're bulking for like some of the bigger bodybuilders, bulk for like two, three years before competing or shutting down, I feel like, and I know some personally as well, like in my hometown, they bulked for like four or five years, went on dreamer bulks, bulks and then they cut down for comps and they look amazing but just something is always off about their waist like it's small

but it's just not tight yeah you know what i'm saying like it's just it's just different i can't put it to words i know what you're yeah i wish we had science papers on this yeah because you know the only other thing that we have is experience quote-unquote bro science right and bro science which is literally anecdotal experience yeah sure i mean when it comes to bodybuilding that's all it is yeah because we're a bunch of dudes that are just experimenting on ourselves and coaches are pretty smart that are just experimenting on a bunch of other guys.

He's mad scientists, really.

Literally, yeah.

It's crazy when you think about it.

It's funny.

It's fucking sick.

But

yeah, so Coach Patrick Tour, who's the coach of Keon Pearson, the current two-ton 212 Olympian champion.

212, yeah.

He believes in no long bulks.

So like nothing over like two years is just too long is what he believes.

So basically,

say that he was going to take you on as a client.

Likely, hypothetically, he would have you, if you had 25, 30 pounds of muscle to gain, he would not want to do that in one run of three years.

He would probably want to do one run, one year, where you gain maybe eight to 10 pounds of muscle, hopefully, and then go into a prep.

So then you'd have one year, almost one year bulking, and then you'd go into a prep, and then you'd cut down really lean.

And then you take advantage of that rebound point, of that insulin sensitivity,

come back up, make a lot of gains in that period of time.

He's not really more, I think he's less of a reverse dieter, more of a rebound phase kind of guy, but that depends on your blood work.

If your blood work looks like shit, then you're probably going to have to take a health phase and then do a reverse.

I really like what you said about that.

I think the best time to grow is obviously after being in a you don't even have to be competing.

I could be in a super caloric deficit

mode.

And like I said, you don't have to be competing.

You could just be in a deficit for a long, long, long, long time.

And then you obviously hit a rebound.

And that's when your insulin sensitivity is at its peak.

So you want to take advantage of that.

And that's,

and you saw me like a year and a half ago.

That's essentially what I did.

My last comp was with the WBFF in Las Vegas

back in

August last year, 2022.

And

after I finished that comp, I started my rebound and I started bulking.

I haven't stopped bulking.

since then.

So it's been, yeah, it's been actually a year.

This has been the longest bulk I've done.

I would actually say I was probably on, like if I wanted to be really critical from the months of August, September, maybe even October, I was just maintaining and I wasn't really bulking.

And then I would say November onwards to now,

I was probably bulking heavily.

So almost close to a year, I'd say 10 months, if I was to be honest with myself, of a hard bulk.

And this is the longest bulk I've ever gone on.

I've always been known as like the guy who's always lean and shredded.

So, what do you feel like are the most important things you've changed about your diet in the last two, three years?

Because I feel like your methodology with bodybuilding is like totally changed.

Like we were both like such, we were both like more hardy bros or something.

And like five, ten years ago, and yeah, now we're both a lot more focused on competing.

Um,

so say that again.

What do you think has changed?

Or, yeah, what do you think are the uh in terms of my diet?

What changes in your diet do you think were the most effective cutting out

cutting out cheat meals, cutting out cutting out cheat meals, yeah, yeah, or not cutting them out completely.

Let me rephrase that: reducing cheat meals,

uh, reducing processed foods, reducing sugar,

things like that.

That's my least favorite one, bro.

Yeah, reducing sugar.

I fucking love sugar.

I hate sugar.

You can ask my girlfriend, I don't even have a sweet tooth.

What?

Yeah, yeah, she'll tell you right now.

You're demonic.

Yeah, I don't.

I am.

I'm not human, bro.

I don't have much of a sweet tooth.

So there could be chocolate and lollies around the house,

anything, and I just won't eat it.

Sadistic.

And when I do crave sweets, I might have a few bites of something sweet, like an acai bowl, some plain vanilla ice cream with no sauce on top.

I'm super plain with like my desserts.

Maybe a few pancakes, that's it.

And I won't even need to eat much to get that craving.

Like sometimes just a few bites of ice cream, like maybe three, three, four tablespoons.

I'm good.

I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

No artificial sweeteners.

Yeah, I'll have artificial sweeteners in, say, like

my protein pancakes.

When I make sometimes, I'll chop it in to sweeten it up.

Yeah.

I stopped coffee recently in the mornings, a few weeks ago, but before that, I would have coffee with artificial artificial sweetener.

But asides from the once-a-day coffee that I would have in the morning, which I've now cut out, I would not put artificial sweetener in anything.

So, I would just be eating.

Okay, another big thing that I changed, I'm just going in loops here, but another big thing that I changed is I would eat more red meat.

So, I would have much more steak.

I would eat like maybe

500 grams of steak a day almost.

How do you think that's helped you?

How do you feel like that's helped you?

I know it sounds weird and might sound like bro science, but I feel like lean red meat is super anabolic.

It's got so much cream, it's got so much creatin in it, it's got so much nutrients in it, it's so calorie dense.

And I think the creatin and the red meat, it just does something to your muscles, man.

Just, I want, and like, I don't know, maybe in the future, just try this one day.

Just swap out the chicken and just have a little bit more red meat, and you just fucking grow.

I'm telling you,

it's been hard for me to admit.

I mean, I think you a lot of bodybuilders think this.

Yeah, it's pretty common, yeah.

Yeah, even

dudes feel like red meat is

not anabolic for some reason.

Chicken's not that anabolic.

Every time I eat steak, I feel like I'm like, like, I know it's probably placebo, but I just, I wake up the next morning, I feel great, I feel like energized, I just feel stronger.

But, bro, if I'm just going on chicken and mostly chicken and not much red meat, I feel like shit.

And it's the same with fish.

If I'm going on chicken and fish and there's not much red meat in the diet, again, I feel like shit.

So I feel like, I don't know if it's the fats from the red red meats that makes me feel good makes me perform better in the gym i don't know if it's a place a bit of placebo acting up

um but i i can genuinely tell you just tell you that eating more red meat in my diet in the last year has i feel like has definitely helped me to put on that extra amount of muscle that i wouldn't otherwise have been able to like you saw me walk through the door you're like damn you're huge and i've kept it relatively lean last time i saw you was 82 kilos And honestly, not too far off the body fat I'm at now.

I'm probably saying I'm at 15% right now.

And And that for me is considered like fat.

So last time I saw you, I would have been around 10% and at 82 kilos.

Now I'm like 15% at 96, 97 kilos.

So I think I've kept it pretty sensible for this bulk.

This has been the leanest bulk I've done.

I know if I'm going to push it to 100, probably like three, four kilos off that and onwards.

I know I'm going to be sacrificing a bit of my tightness and shit like that.

But, you know, it's just.

It's something we've got to do.

And I feel like going back to the original question, more red meat,

probably just the same staple rice in all my meals and just the same meals every day less cheap meals less processed foods less sugar final answer lock it in Eddie nice

I resonate with all of those I haven't experimented with more red meat I used to eat red meat in the past but I actually changed up several years ago and I've been doing strictly with salmon and then a little bit of chicken salmon is good

and I think salmon's good for fish the main reason I was doing that is just for my blood work just so I could always have like as good as possible

Apo B L D only HDL.

I don't know how much

my LP little A has shifted a lot.

Do you have like a blood coach?

Well, Transcend helps me a lot with guidance, and they will go over the blood panel with me.

I also have another doctor that luckily I've been able to find one that doesn't judge bodybuilders and he's been a doctor for a lot of bodybuilders yeah it's funny you say that i've got a guy similar he used to be bodybuilder he's now a power lifter and he's a blood coach like literally a blood coach he'll do like my bloods and send me like natural supplements of what to take and what to eat to get my levels to normal but that's good yeah so far i don't knock on wood everything's fine yeah but i'm due for another blood test soon to be honest yeah to be honest i've just kind of learned most of it myself but i will always

start with yeah i'll just go straight to the specialist you know just less guesswork like having a coach less less work having a blood coach less work and i could just focus on like just the eating and the training which i'm good at you know it just makes it easier when's the last time you got your blood work done do you remember yeah i do it was

right before

a year ago now okay i'm due for another one do you remember if you were taking your blood work when you were first taking your cycles it was towards the end of my cycle right before my comp and surprisingly the levels weren't that bad so i took it

this was was this the first time you ever got your blood work done?

No, no.

When was the first time?

Do you remember?

Oh, the first time, like, when I started competing on that, not that long ago, bro, probably like three years ago.

Okay.

Three, four years ago.

Okay.

I'd do it once a year, but now I'm trying to do it every six months.

I'm actually due again.

Thanks for reminding me.

It's been about almost a year.

I'm like so curious because

a majority of us, you know, like who have probably jumped into these, jumped into this realm, probably wasn't, weren't as conscious of getting our blood work done in in the past.

Now it's becoming a lot more public info.

That, oh, hey, guys, take your blood work even before you ever start taking anything because you want to know where your levels are.

Yeah, you always want to be health-conscious and probably everyone's more

just informed on how to go about things and stuff like that.

I'm just so curious what your blood work was when you were running trend for two years.

Oh, I don't want to know what it was, but all I can say is I'm happy that my blood work was almost perfect from my blood coach.

And I quote,

Thank you, Greg.

If you see this,

he gave,

I don't know his last name, but he's his name is just Greg, Dr.

Greg from Melbourne.

Looks after my blood, blood tests, blood results, sends me a panel of everything to check for.

I do a private screening at a clinic, and then I send him the results.

He overlooks everything and sends me everything, gives me a complete breakdown of like everything that's good, that needs work.

You know, lucky again, knock on wood, there's been nothing that's bad or alarming.

Yeah, the last blood results he checked, checked, he gave me like an eight out of 10 in terms of like how healthy I am.

So, yeah, I'm actually due for another one, but all I can say is I'm grateful that my bloods are good

considering how heavy my cycles were when I was younger.

And again, that might be like a bit of luck.

That might be because I stopped when I was young really soon.

Once I learned it's not the right thing to do, maybe a bit of its genetics.

But then I guess I'm blessed in saying that when I was running the trend and the high test and all that, I was probably like around 24, 25 25 years of age.

So I could recover.

If I tried doing it now, like being like almost 40 years old, it probably would be extremely detrimental and extremely dangerous.

So I guess that was my saving grace.

So when you say, yeah, I wanted to see what your blood work is like, yeah, it would have been shocking.

But a lot of the people can bounce back, especially if you're young.

So do you happen to have any new precautions now that you're taking or any new like ancillaries supplements that you take?

Look, aside from like the basic stuff

which would be like you know i'll take things for like glucosamine for my joints krill oil and fish oil um like you know skin hair and nails um

let me think of some of the top multivitamins that i would take as well i think fish oil is still slept on say again i think fish oil is still slept on krill oil is the one brother six times the strongest fish i know this argument that's the

or you could just take ten fish oils yeah equal to one krill oil but yeah fish oil is very slept on for joints um so just yeah, just the very basic stuff I would take for precautions.

And just being mindful of, obviously, like what I'm using, when I'm using it, the dosage and timing of dosages, things like that, which all make a difference, you know.

Aside from that,

that would be it for this stage.

When I start prepping for comp again, I would probably have my coach obviously guide me and chuck a few more things into my

into my prep and my cycle.

I can't remember

off the top of my head, but after this potty, when when I go back to Sydney, I'll send you photos of just some of the subs that my coach got me on.

A lot of them were for like digestive health.

A lot of them were for just like overall well-being and cognitive function, just all sorts of things, all natural supplements.

So I had like a whole list of them.

So I'll send you some photos and just see what you think.

And you can just tell me, mate to mate, what you think of the protocol.

But now in my off-season, just the basics that I just mentioned.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

Yeah, I think the digestive health things have the supplements are have been really beneficial on my end as well, especially during the bulk.

Sometimes it's just.

What would you recommend for the digestive health or the bulk?

I just have a probiotic that I take in the morning, and then coaches always advise, especially top coaches always advise taking like

glutamine fasted in the morning.

You can take glutamine at different times of the day for different purposes.

But if you take it on a fasted stomach, then it's good for gut health.

What do you think of intermittent fasting?

I think intermittent fasting is amazing for so many different reasons for anti-aging what do you think of it i think it's i think it's perfect for anti-aging i just don't think it's the best for gaining muscle gaining muscle yeah in a bodybuilding yeah setting yeah we can this this inconvert can take so many tangents yeah it can we can go on an anti-aging route and fasting this and that but yeah let's stick to the topic i was just very interested to what you think about that to be honest i'm trying to think about this last supplement that i also take um i'm trying to remember the exact name but i'm just brain parting uh

what is it called be something with pepsin um stefan also has

clients, Stefan Keenzel also has clients take it sometimes if they're taking a lot of protein at once and they need help digesting.

I'm just brain fighting right now.

Most people know this supplement.

I don't think I know it, to be honest.

A lot of them are just all these big-ass chemical names.

I don't really know, to be honest.

Yeah, I just let my coach kind of just tell me what to do.

I trust and leave my faith in him and I just do it.

But it's really good that you know a lot of these

supplements and like what they do and stuff.

it's good that you have that knowledge like i i with that maybe i should get on the same just for my own for my own you know benefit but that's that's good man

it's interesting to hear because not many people know about that kind of stuff like that deep into it you know so i mean in the end they're also just supplements it's like i think the reason why i'm so into this is i mean it's icing on the cake isn't it you know exactly everything matters right when you're this like far into the game and i know you i know you're a passionate bodybuilder i've trained with you i've seen how you train um you know i watch your shit i i see what you're about i i know you're like you're pretty serious especially now more than ever um maybe when i met you two years ago we'll sitting here talking about raving and partying and and what drugs to not to take and not to take doses this and that micro dosing it was really interesting chat compared to now so um but that gained a lot of traction back then i remember reading the comments people just like whoa well look at these guys go like a bunch of fucking fuckboys talking about all their fucking dosages and going to festivals and shit like probably on the tick tock comments yeah bro yeah

made me laugh the mini clip comments are never are always terrible though don't worry about that Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I have people that will come up to me and say that they know me, and I'll be like, from what?

And they're like, dude, you're on TikTok and stuff.

And I've seen your podcast.

I'm like, oh, no shit.

You like bodybuilding?

And they're like,

no, I don't really know anything about bodybuilding.

I'll be like, what the fuck?

Dude, I know.

Literally, the most random people who don't even like

it's strange.

I like

most people know me like for obvious reasons or my Instagram platform, this and that.

But then, yeah, I've had some randoms come up to me like, hey, you're that guy off TikTok that's like done those like muzzing videos at the festivals, this and that.

And I'm like, they have no idea who I am.

They have no idea who my brother is.

They've just seen like a viral video of me on TikTok.

They don't lift.

They're like super young.

And I'm just like, what the hell?

Like, how?

It's just, it just trips me out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The internet is a very big and wonderful place.

A big and wonderful place.

Yeah.

What can I say?

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Still won't forget those TikTok comments.

Oh, the two fucking fuckboys of fitness talking about drugs.

Like, fuck you guys, man.

Awesome.

Good old days.

That was funny.

That was so funny.

Yeah.

People trashing us for our haircuts and pieces and shit.

Jumping back to a previous topic, just since we're about running out of time, but

what were your calories at when you were at its lowest?

And now what is your nutrition looking like now in terms of macros and calories?

Cool.

So my calories

leading up into my competition on peak week got as low as 1,300.

Damn.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that was super low.

Yeah, the last week was 1,300.

Second last week was 1,400.

Third last week was about 1,500, 1,600.

That was like, yeah, it was brutal, man.

And I did a Dexter scan and my body got scanned.

upper body got scanned at 4.9% body fat.

Nice.

Lower body got scanned at 8.6% body fat.

My legs always come in the last.

So that gave me like a medium body fat level of like 6.3% on stage.

I was one of the leanest guys, if not the leanest in my category.

But that's a topic for another day.

My calories at the moment, I would say, are closer to around the 4K mark.

I don't really...

track too much of the macronutrients like proteins, carbs and fats.

I kind of just eyeball it through experience.

I know that I just have to get like, you know, at least 200 grams of protein a day.

And then the carbs and fats, I kind of just eyeball it and just go by experience.

So I don't like to track in my off-season because it's just too meticulous for me.

And it just kind of makes me go a bit crazy.

It takes the fun out of eating, out of training.

It just takes the fun out of it.

So for me,

risk versus reward, it's more of a, so it's a, you know, benefit versus like reward kind of like scenario.

Like there's more, there's less in it for me to start tracking in my offseason and track everything like a meticulous madman.

It's more important for me just to like have my mind at peace, train hard, eat good, as good as I can, and you know, get the adequate rest and everything like that.

And I think that's more important.

And then when it comes to prepping time, I can really knuckle down and track everything from workouts to foods to macro and micronutrients, everything.

And it makes it more enjoyable.

And I go 10 times harder.

So off-season, I'm a bit more lax.

I just eyeball everything.

Gotcha.

I'm a little bit more meticulous when it comes to those things.

I enjoy the meticulousness of it.

Some people that do it.

For me, for example, it's like, oh man, I got to fucking figure out the number.

I got to make sure the number or else I feel like I'm off and stuff.

Yeah, for sure.

So

it's kind of fun to always see how

people can work differently.

But I think what's most important is to make sure that you're not stressed or your body's not stressed through the process.

Correct.

And something that I've been undervaluing a lot is making myself...

remain in this like rest and digest state, which is so fucking hard when you're just trying to progress in life as a man.

You know what I mean?

And not only that, when you're like calculating everything, writing everything down, weighing everything, like whether you know it or not,

you're building up cortisol, dude, it's stressful.

When you just go to train, like a gym, bro, and just smash a session and smash a big steak and rice.

Which I think is a benefit if you're used to and okay with just getting a plan from like a coach and you just prepare at the beginning of the week, just eat it,

not have to worry about it at all.

Yes.

I think that's where it can help a lot.

What about your training?

How has your training changed from like back back when you were blasting grams of tests for two years versus now that you're competing?

Mate, completely different.

Back then, I would say I didn't even train properly.

I would say I didn't even train properly until the age of probably like 27.

How so?

What does that mean?

Just not hard enough.

There was just wasn't enough passion in how I would train.

The tempo wasn't the best.

The form wasn't the best.

There was more of an emphasis of lifting heavy weights over correct form.

So even though I was strong and I had strong lifts, and I was like dumble shoulder pressing 50 kilograms, inclined barbell pressing like 140 kilograms, like the reps were fast, and the joints got sore, and the tempo wasn't great, and the muscle contraction and the stretch with each repetition wasn't good.

So, now I've actually moved more into like feeling the stretch on every rep, getting that long, like flexion and like movement.

So, like, if I'm doing like a lap pull down, I'll like pull out my arms all the way and just get that deep stretch, hold for a second, squeeze really slowly.

Whereas back in the day, i trained with more pace more fast more aggressive heavier weights and i feel like maybe that's a lot of that was ego ego lifting being younger being on trend and being hyped up and all these anabolics and just being like yeah let's train hard um so i just slowed down started training with more form uh higher volume in the body parts that are lagging like my legs and my back and it's paid off uh luckily for me and reduced the volume on the body parts that are strong like my arms and my chest and my delts and it's worked very well for me doing that program with my coach, Chris Thomas and Jimmy Sadek.

So shout out to those guys.

It's worked very well for me.

And that is the main difference, just training more smart as well, more efficient and focusing on every rep.

So making every rep count.

Whereas in the past, I wasn't like consciously thinking of every rep I'm doing and making every rep count.

I was just going through the motions.

Now I'm feeling everything I do.

Has anything about sets or reps changed?

Only for legs.

Only for my legs.

I've increased the volume so as I was mentioning earlier like I would do some high volume stuff on legs like I would pre-exhaust legs by like my coach would make me do leg extensions like 30 reps 40 reps to just get the blood pumping and pre-exhaust them sometimes 50 reps back in the day when we and but it worked I had chicken legs and they really grew

so we'd pre-exhaust the quads 40 reps one minute rest 30 reps one minute rest 20 reps one minute

and then after that we'd go into the working sets we'd go like that's crazy yeah bro yeah we'd go three quarters of the stack and we'd go like...

When is legacy?

How many times?

Once a week.

I do quads with my coach Jimmy.

Okay, so then you have another leg day where you don't do that.

Hamstrings, I'm on, because I enjoy training hamstrings.

And then you have another leg day where you don't do that.

Yes.

Okay.

Hamstrings.

So hamstrings are like the triceps of the legs.

So hamstrings, I would focus more on like squeezing, tempo, just being a bit slow.

And the thing is, like, I enjoy training hamstrings and I'm naturally strong on hamstrings.

So it's easy for me.

Quads, I fucking hate training quads.

I still don't enjoy training quads.

So I need a coach to push me to those levels that I would never be able to do on my own because I just don't want to.

So the beginning of your workout always starts with pre-exhaustion, leg extension.

Leg extension, pre-reps.

We don't go too much on the high volume now.

We did at the start when we wanted to blow up the leg.

So now we would go maybe 20 reps for pre-exhaustion.

Then three sets of pre-exhaustion or warm-up sets, then three working sets and leg extensions, building up to a full stack on the leg, leg press, and I can leg extension.

I could full stack leg extension, do like 20 reps.

I see.

And then we'd move into like, say, the 45-seater degree leg press where we'll just load up plates, walking lunges, no, no weights, just body weights, squeezing, good form, like back and forth,

six laps of the gym without taking more than like a 45-second rest in between sets, just pumping the blood in the legs.

It's something like the most painful sets I've ever heard of.

Yeah, dude, I come home and I sleep the whole day.

I pass out on my couch.

I don't move.

I do not move.

And then I grow, but I fucking grow.

It looks crazy, dude.

Yeah, dude.

Has he ever mentioned his intention behind that?

Yes, he has.

And I've had other coaches question his methodology as well.

But his intention is, look, I'm not overly strong on the cords.

I can't lift as heavy as some of these guys who really can lift heavy on cords.

So I apparently I don't have it in me or it wouldn't be beneficial for me to do maybe eight sets on legs or six to eight sets because one my legs have always been stubborn compared to the rest of my body extremely stubborn so for him it's less risky just to pump them up with blood and go less heavy on the weights and high volume get the legs feeling the blood flow um feeling just a high volume of load so it's they're forced to grow because you're doing high volume whereas if i'm doing eight sets uh it's there's more risk for error like i know deep down i'm not going to be able to do a super heavy hack squat four or three plates aside and go like four seconds down, two second pause, four seconds up.

But I sure as hell know that I could do like 14 to 15 sets on quads, like slightly lighter weight, and just pumping it with volume.

And it works.

You know, a lot of coaches out there would say that, but you don't need to do that high volume.

You just, you ruin running your CNS into the ground, yada, yada, yada.

And I would disagree with that because...

As long as I bring the volume down in my other body parts, then I'm still having an equal amount of volume at the end of the week.

I see.

You know what I I mean?

So I reduce it on chest, I reduce it on like arms, and I'll pump it on just my legs.

Even my back isn't too high volume.

It's around like, I don't think it's high volume.

I'll do like 14 sets.

Okay.

Yeah.

About 10 reps per set.

Eight to 12 reps per set, I would say.

I have a valid, well, I have an argument for a place that's in between your argument and the people that are arguing against yours.

Sure.

Saying like, oh, you're running your CNS into the ground.

Sure.

My argument kind of aligns with some coaches that I've talked to.

I've just, I've been really intrigued by top Olympian coaches recently.

If you guys can't freaking tell, but

I don't remember if Stefan has a similar methodology, but I know Hanny and Patrick Tour, Henry Rambod, they both have this kind of sarcoplasmic training that they add into their workouts, right?

And one of the things that I really like about Patrick when he explains his SST sets is that he says the metabolite training, you actually still want to do in the beginning of your workout.

You don't want to do it at the end.

You want to do it at the beginning when you're fresh, right?

Which is what your coach is doing.

But

he also states that it is also still important to continuously engage in progressive overload, which means, for example, focusing on those myofribillar, I don't know why I can't always say it.

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying, yeah.

Focusing on that training, say getting like 10 reps, and then trying to increase your load the next time you do the workout just a little bit.

Oh, yeah.

And then...

then for sure, I agree with that too.

And like, that is an important part to make sure that you're progressive overloading properly because it gets a little bit harder when you're doing it, like 50 reps to progressive overload.

You know what I mean?

But at the same token, like, how much can you progressively overload?

I've done that as a test try with my code.

That's where I'm getting.

So, so it's that you go heavy like that, right?

And then you swipe exercises, right?

No, not quite.

So, this is when his SST set comes in, and then you focus on something such as a drop set and then very slow reps or you do something like cluster sets but you do like 20 second rest do the exact same weight and then when you get to failure 20 second rest do the exact same weight and then when you get a failure do the 20 second rest same thing repeat until you get like one rep left for example yeah so you're hitting failure every time or two to three reps before failure i go to failure every time whenever i do this one whenever i choose this one and it's it's pretty crazy but i can tell you i've had the most intense workouts of my life okay um and it's been I've tried a lot of different types of training, and I've also got my genetics done.

So now I know that, according to

my genetics, I have more type one fibers.

So technically, I would respond better to higher volume or higher reps.

Interesting.

Or whatever.

Can you think about that where you got that genetic test?

I'll be interested to do that for myself too.

I can do it later.

Yeah, beep piece.

But

what I've noticed is for me, for example, whenever I've done higher reps on legs, it's been very stimulating for my body.

But I've also noticed noticed when I did the low reps

and it and it wasn't as fatiguing as the higher reps nor as painful.

But then I proceeded to do the metabolite training in that same exercise before moving to the next exercise that, say, Patrick or Hanny has,

I felt both types of that training being engaged.

So I got that crazy pump at the end.

Yep.

And like, just,

it's, it's hard for me to even explain because this is very anecdotal and bro

science-y of me to say, but I'm just trying to express my experience for guys who have not tried it.

Yeah.

I just feel the most sore.

I feel the most wrecked, but for a training session that is not as long as I used to train.

And

it's really eye-opening to me because I used to be doing almost as many sets as you did.

And I'd be like, man, I feel like I'm in the gym for the for like a long fucking time and my brain is frightening oh you'd be surprised i'd be there in an hour doing but that's just chords an hour just on chords yeah so yeah but that's just that's that that's the argument is basically um i like i like their idea of training because it seems to put both types of training in the same i mean session i kind of and beginning to i kind of do something similar with my coach so like not every week we're going to go super high volume like we might do three weeks out of the month like that.

And then he'll just gauge by how I'm feeling and how rested I am, how sore I am.

And then one week out of the month, we might just pull back on the volume and go more heavy and just get some quality sets on heavy weight.

So it's not always high volume every week.

It's kind of like.

We gauge on how I'm feeling, how I am, energy, like how's my week been, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And he can kind of just tell within like me how, what, what would be the best for me for that day.

That's pretty cool.

Yeah.

and something I like that you mentioned is that these coaches have mentioned as well is like when you get to the point as like a big bodybuilder where you just can't increase in strength anymore, that's where this like sarcoplasmic focused training, yes, this metabolite type of training just comes in handy.

You know what I mean?

I think so.

I think so too.

That's very interesting.

Maybe we can try some of that stuff today, actually.

Oh, we will.

It'll be savage.

Oh, yeah, wow.

Let's do the QA real quick.

Cool, man.

Christian Hansen asks, how do you guys balance gym and personal life?

good question i don't have much of a personal life now so it's very easy to balance like i've got a girlfriend so i'm mostly just training working on business and focusing on the gains bruh so it's kind of easy um that's all there is to it when i was younger you know bit more of a bachelor was like a different lifestyle i guess so my lifestyle now is more suited for me as a bodybuilder gotcha i can do what i got to do and not have to worry about socializing meeting up with people partying uh chasing girls, yada, yada.

I don't have to worry about any of that.

I forgot to ask,

or this is a personal question, but what would you say to the younger audience, guys like you when you were maybe 22,

what would you advise them not

to do?

Mistakes that you have done that you would advise them not to do?

Well, in terms of like business, training?

Everything.

Bodybuilding, training,

becoming a man.

I don't know.

Talking to.

I would honestly say just,

look,

I've it's just it's a really open-ended question it's a good one at that but I would honestly like there's two outsides of this argument one could say that hey like the man has to experiences like being like a juvenile man going through the processes and making mistakes and making fuck-ups and learning from their mistakes so on one end like you want to go through all that you want to party you want to go out you want to socialize you want to make lots of friends you want to uh you know date a plethora of women so eventually when you're older you know what you want and you're secure in yourself and you're you're more able to make a decision on what it is you're looking for.

And then the other argument, the counter argument for that would be to start off younger, don't fuck around as much, don't waste time,

build your empire, build your success, find a girl when you're younger,

grow and nurture and develop a relationship and empire with that girl.

So you're wasting less time and it's more meaningful and this and that.

But then in doing that, you miss out on obviously like all it is to be a man as a young man in his 20s growing and experiencing the world and doing a whole bunch of things that you can't do if you're focusing just purely on business and purely on just being in a relationship.

So, I think there's a median level somewhere in the middle where I would recommend to somewhere be in the middle of that.

Don't be one end of the extreme where you're just partying and reckless and crazy.

And don't be another end where you're 21 in a relationship waiting to get married.

All you do is work and focus on online business or whatever kind of business.

Neither is healthy.

I've seen both ends of the spectrum in myself and in friends.

So I would recommend to be somewhere in the middle.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Is there anything in regards to drug use ped use or anything that you would recommend ped use i would tell people to slow down definitely um not use such high dosages there's no need to do high dosages um to watch out with compounds like trend and 19 nors like decker and things like that um just lots of side effects with those big hard compounds and only use them if you're competing for a contest prep especially trend i know we spoke before about oh but you don't need to compete to like be on steroids yeah you don't but you don't need to use trend as well if you're not competing like you really don't like if you want to use something similar use mastron uh use use stanozole you know what i mean like there's so many other options um so i would tell them to be more smarter in their decision of what compounds they want to use use lower dosage of compounds and yeah just work your way up slowly slowly because it's a long journey and when you get to like the levels that i'm at and further and beyond um you want to have gas in the tank to keep going if you burn out with compounds and everything like when you're younger, what are you going to be doing in your 30, 35, 40, 45?

What are your dosage is going to be like then?

So start low and just gradually build up over time.

Just like relax it.

Like there's no rush.

It's all good.

Just chill out.

It's hard to tell someone not to rush, man.

Yeah.

That was my counter.

There's so much competition.

Yeah.

I think that's the argument, right?

But I agree with you, too.

I feel you.

Everyone's going to just stay in their own lane.

That's the thing, you know.

Some people, like, you know, they, they, they've, they shine when they're younger, and other people, slow and steady, wins the race, you know, they're just chipping away nice and slow, and then they're in a better position than those people that are burning out super young and hard, even though they, they got what they wanted at a super younger age.

So, this is kind of a specific question.

You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but if you were to go back in time,

what cycle would you run instead of the cycles that you ran in the first two years, three years when you were doing crazy shit while doing um

it's an easy question to answer to be honest um i would just cut cut out the trend and I would just lower the dosages.

Okay, how much do you think?

So I would take the test back from, say, 500 MGs and at the max, 1,000 MGs when I was like 25, and I'll take it back to like 250 or 375.

And I would take out the trend and maybe put in some Anavai if I wanted to be a little bit fancy.

That's about it, really.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

You know, now we've got things like SAMS.

I would probably chuck in MK677 for the benefits of like eating more, sleeping better, and good skin, all these positive effects of a growth hormone secretalog.

So, I'll keep it simple like that, and I wouldn't like have high doses and like strong 19 nodes in

that mix.

Have you found that you had appetite problems?

Like, if you wanted to grow?

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, I know people don't really believe in the terms ectomorph, mesomorph, and endomorph these days, but let me tell you, I was always a hard gainer.

I always had problems eating.

I still have problems eating.

So, for me, taking a growth hormone secretalogue like MK677 or GHRP6

administered subcutaneously actually helps me to increase my appetite, to eat more food, to get the food and the calories down every day.

And otherwise, it's extremely hard.

It's super easy for me to cut and starve myself.

I'm an expert at doing that, to be honest.

It's very easy for me.

Like, I cannot eat for days and I'll be fine.

But when it comes to eating consistently in a calorie surplus, that is difficult.

And I found these growth hormone secretar logs to be quite beneficial for people like me.

And I'm sure there's lots of people like me out there who would find benefit in using them.

Nice.

Oh, yeah.

That was a good one.

Thanks.

Shizzo Sigma Lifters asks, what happened to Rutendo?

I don't know what happened to him.

He moved to Alice Springs and became a PT.

I think he got a girlfriend and he started a personal training business out in Alice Springs.

And he's just keeping to himself.

And that's about the last I've heard from him.

Nice.

Freddy.

He's the one who gave me the end pass.

Sick.

Yeah.

Freddy Ace.

Don't have no fancy card, though.

Freddy Freddy S asks, if you can meet As for one last time, what would you say or ask him?

I always love this question.

I've heard it before.

What would I say?

Ask him.

Firstly, I'd be like, I'll tell him, I'm bigger than you now, you mad.

I'm like, you mad son.

And what would I ask him?

I wouldn't ask him anything.

I would just tell him how much I love him and how much I miss him and how much

he was the staple.

and the anchor to my life in becoming the man I was today.

I would thank him for everything.

Shizzo Sigma Lifters asks, What happened between Chesty and Super Turk?

They started a Sarms business 2020.

No comment.

No comment.

No comment.

Some guy named Elephant Meat wants you to

sign him to your brand.

Tell him to hit me up in the DMs and we can have a chat.

Elephant Meat and Horsecock will create brand.

What the fuck?

What the fuck?

Sila Gigore asks,

how to big as cool as your

how to be as cool as you and your brother and how to get as so many girls as y'all.

It was kind of jumbled.

So

I'm assuming that's kind of what he's trying to ask.

I mean, I don't know, man.

How are you going to ask someone how to be cool?

Just

be yourself.

Be unapologetically yourself.

Be confident.

Yeah.

And just, you know, embrace your individuality.

If you're weird and quirky and out there, embrace it.

Like, don't hide away from it be unapologetical yourself um be kind uh be giving be smart be thoughtful but never

be someone who you're not so just always be yourself and true authenticity always shows and you know the real ones pick it up they always say real recognize real you know so just be yourself and you know i feel like that's the best way uh i guess you can be cool like It's just such a strange question to answer, but like you.

We got a lot of other podcasts that people can refer to and or

yeah i guess a lot of it is also like self-fit podcast yeah so like a lot of it's like self-development stuff so just you know yeah once you gain confidence i guess you'll appear and seem to be more cool so i guess one can argue like build inner confidence um you know build that within yourself right learn a skill learn a craft to become good at something that will give you that confidence or fuck i don't i don't fucking know do something that's going to make you feel confident in your own skin because as teenagers and young men grow, a lot of them, like, they're still growing into the man that they want to become or their envision of becoming.

And they look at like people on the screens, like the tates and, you know, the influences and this and that.

And like, I want to be like these guys.

I want to like mimic what these guys are doing.

But you can't, you just got to be yourself.

End of the day.

And you just, you know, take what you see on social media with a grain of salt and, you know, just work on your craft, become confident.

Learn to like speak well.

Learn to, you know, be approachable, be friendly, give a firm handshake, look someone in the eyes, like engage with people, smile, just things like this that you can't really teach that you just learn over time as you grow as a man.

So that would be my advice.

But

on the topic of girls, I don't know, man.

I don't think wanting to pick up a lot of chicks is necessarily like a good thing, man.

It's just a waste of time.

Focus on your craft, dude.

Focus on making money, growing a business, growing a brand.

Right.

Intention can be...

detected i think yeah and girls can detect that shit too if you're trying too hard so i would just be a surprise.

Why focus your energy on that when you can focus on your craft to be social?

Yeah, dude.

And then the right kind of girls will come.

It's going to attract them, right?

Correct.

Not that I know anything or have any credibility of the area.

We're just two podcasters, bro.

Just two podcasters, two fuckboy podcasters that took drugs.

Oh, my God.

That's funny.

That should be the title of this video.

Jai Towers asks, is there a balance between partying and gym?

Yeah, I think we covered this one before, but there definitely is a balance.

Both are very hard to coexist with one another.

You're going to either be more of a partier or more of a gym head.

I've been both.

I'm lucky to say I've been both in my life.

Once more of a party boy, now more of like a gym goer bodybuilder.

So it's hard to have both and have them coexist peacefully.

So pick one side and stick to it.

Or do what I did, just go from the party boy and then become the bodybuilder.

Or you could start as a bodybuilder and become the party boy.

I don't know.

Pick a side and stick to it, man.

I always wanted to be on the Olympia olympia stage since i was like i think maybe 2013 is whenever i felt like i actually could yeah you know what i mean because back when it was just open bodybuilders i was like there's no way i'll ever get there because i'm not gonna take drugs or anything

but um

out of reach but i'm i'm like i know that there's the small percentage of haters are gonna be like oh these guys are always taking all these drugs and all this shit and that's why but it is what it is but like if you go to a festival or go to an event just have fun with your friends it's like it's like going on a date or like going a walk around like a fair or something but instead you're going to a festival listening to music you don't have to be on substances.

Some people will drink a little alcohol.

Some people will just take some strooms.

You know, you don't have to do anything crazy that's going to be detrimental to your health.

But like you just go out there and like think about all the cardio, all the movement that you, that you get in.

And this is all positive for your gains.

You know, the better your blood work, the better your cholesterol ratios, the better your cardiovascular ability, the better your gains are going to be.

It's helped me at least.

I disagree with that.

I feel like it also depends on the dosage of the drugs you're doing at these festivals oh no which which recreational drugs you're taking i was saying i was saying i'm not talking about the drugs sorry i meant if you just go to a festival and you dance and you have fun of course that's healthy yeah that's what i'm saying sober yeah healthy is what i'm saying yeah okay like that's what that's what like during like the last several years whenever i'd go out yeah i would take maybe a little shrooms or something or some some other extra stuff yeah but my focus was always just to spend time with my friends yeah yeah enjoy the moment for and honestly i hate cardio and i i hate dieting they're just going out there helped me get shredded and i swear to god yeah i got my pro card doing it so that's mad bro yeah that's good that it worked for you you must really love your food i love my food bro i hate food man

when you're bulking for this long

becomes such a chore chewy aaron asks his thoughts on the john skywalker situation oh wow yeah um i saw his live chat like a week ago yeah thoughts and prayers go out to obviously his family and him i hope he pulls through i hope he comes out of it.

I sent him a message wishing him warm wishes and a speedy recovery.

You know what I mean?

I was always worried for John as a friend, as a true friend.

And I always try to be like a positive influence in his life, always checking in on him, always making sure he's okay.

And I've got a lot of love for John, and I just hope he pulls out of this.

And, you know,

I hope.

he can heal from everything that he's going through.

And I hope, like, you know, he can come out and metamorphosize into the absolute sick hunt that we we all know him to be.

No, I agree.

I haven't ever talked about this.

I don't think ever publicly, but

John has always been a very independent guy

and he's always been doing his thing, but he's always been very supportive.

And I've always appreciated that about him.

And

I wish the same, like, send my prayers out and I hope you'll be okay.

Yeah.

You never know what might happen.

I mean, obviously risks just just increase, but you just never know.

Sometimes shit does happen.

And

I feel kind of, to be honest, I feel really.

He sent me a text.

We were texting shortly before this all happened, and he sent me a text and I completely missed it.

And I feel like shit, honestly, that I completely missed it.

Because I feel like I wasn't there

for him.

And so I just hope that he's okay.

Yeah.

And that he gets out of it fine.

So

just another reminder to myself, and I know, like, not, I know sometimes, like, some of us are busy, and sometimes you can't get to everybody, and sometimes things just pass, but I think also, don't, you know, as mate to mate, don't be too harsh on yourself.

You know what I mean?

He knows your friendship with him, and you know, he knows who you are and what you're about.

And I think that's the most important, you know, and he knows you're a genuine dude.

So whether you could get back to him or not and that you know and this happened we don't know these things are going to pop up we don't know things like this are going to happen how many times have i not gotten back to a friend through texts and many a times you know we don't we don't know so i would say just yeah don't be too harsh on yourself bro uh these things happen and he knows like you're a genuine man you're a good soul and that's all that matters you know genuinely like truly and of there that's all that matters not a missed text bro yeah not a missed text i think i i don't really know what i'm trying to say because i'm still figuring out life for myself but I think the only thing that I'm thinking about is like from all my best friends that have passed away.

From my best friends, like Ryan, that have passed away.

It's from

Lexi's aunt that also

is that

I just wish that

sometimes

you joke around with your friends,

but sometimes I wish that I had realized that I should take some things more seriously or I should take a friend more seriously at a certain point in time.

Because I know that if anything happened to them then I would regret it.

Yeah.

So

I think that's the only thing I think about is like if anyone ever like says like they feel a certain way or whatever, like I want to be able to

give their feelings or what or their experience more presence.

Yeah.

I don't ever want to just think that, oh, maybe they're just joking around and we're just kidding and stuff.

Like sometimes sometimes things end up being more serious than you think.

Sometimes friends just need friends to like lean on, bro.

Yeah.

Someone to chat to, you know, even if if it's just a little call here and there, that doesn't have to be too deep, you know.

But that's that's noble, bro.

And I respect that.

You know, and that's life, bro.

We don't, we don't know what's going to pop up.

We don't know what's going on.

We're just, we're just trying to live our own life, you know, but whilst at the same time being kind to those around us and always offering support and trying to be there for everyone, it's all a juggling act.

It's not easy, man.

It really isn't.

Jack20 asks, best festival you've been to.

Hey, it's an easy one, bro.

Stereosonic, baby.

The fact that they OG Stereosonic, my guy.

And also, I would obviously say DEF CON is a

close second.

Honorable mentions, Sensation White Melbourne, 2008.

And yeah, those will be my top three.

Fire.

Decky Westside.

Decky.

Says, did it get a little lonely?

Quitting drugs, moving to the top of your game.

true inspiration lad thank you inspiration did it get lonely hell yeah it got lonely i lost a lot of friends um i had to leave a lot of people behind that weren't keeping up with me and it's gonna sound selfish probably is but if you weren't serving me no good at the time in my life then you got cut simple as that i had to elevate not just for the sake of like my career and business i had to elevate for myself i had a lot of my own inner demons and issues that i was dealing with so i had to be around the right kind of people or not be around any people at all.

So, yeah, it got super lonely.

I cut out a lot of people and just focused mostly on myself because when there's no people around, there's no distractions.

I could do what I needed to do, and I did it a lot faster.

Charlie Diaz asks which things you personally take or do for staying healthy while in PDs.

Huge fan.

Which things I take to stay healthy while in PDs?

Yeah.

Like what supplements I take, or just what do I do in general to stay healthy when I'm on PDs?

I guess he asked both: which things you personally take or do for staying healthy while on PDs.

I mean, I do my blood work.

That would be one way, I guess.

I'll do like cardio for the heart, which is good for cardiovascular health.

I take a few supplements that I mentioned before, like the...

Yeah, we kind of discussed this.

Like your coach gave you some.

Yeah, so if you want to check out the whole podcast, my bro, definitely.

Take it back a few notches and I explained everything I was doing before.

But yeah, just little little things like that.

Could I be doing more?

Sure, am I doing some stuff?

Yes, I think this goes into um the topics when we were discussing like lowering dosages that use correct as well, yeah, yeah, correct, being a little bit more conscious about how it's affecting your blood markers.

Um,

some questions I'm just like, what the fuck, skipping over

like bro 728, whatever, asks craziest drug stack ever.

Actual drugs, not gear,

not gonna say,

not gonna say,

Khalud 18 asks, how did using Trendballone affect you and Z's mentally as you guys did it so young?

It made us pretty reckless and pretty wild.

It made us fearless.

It made us

confident.

Also,

yeah, just in terms of the gym, it gave us more strength, more energy.

It's just like a

Like a kind of like it gave you gives you kind of like a god complex a bit like you just feel invincible and nothing can touch you and you're unstoppable you no one can nothing and no one can affect you you just you feel like a superman you're just fucking charged up on trend just ready to fucking take on the world um and that's i feel like that's what it does to like a young you know man 22.

i would have been 24 at the time so um yeah it's just all those kind of feelings i feel like now if i took it do the opposite probably give me anxiety night sweats nightmares fucking all sorts of shit um so yeah when you're young you don't really feel those side effects as much.

So it was just like about just feeling an invincible.

Disclaimer, I'm not telling any of you to take trend.

Don't you dare take trend if you're not competing or you're like under the age of 25.

So just be smart and be safe.

What about if

what about whenever you guys came off?

Wouldn't be feeling as good, obviously, with the crash and everything, but we would cycle on and off.

So I like now I just I cruise, I blast and cruise.

But we would cycle on and off then.

So it would be three months on, three months off, three months on three months off so obviously during the time that we come off like you'd be feeling everything that you would when coming off a cycle just like

low libido um the mood swings highly emotional um bit vulnerable um

yeah and just not as good not as motivated alex booster what's the best cycle to run to look sick at a festival

i'm not condoning this

no way i think you had a good answer last time it's like you don't need to do trend

Like, we really don't.

You really don't.

We really don't.

Aesthetic bra asks, define what aesthetics, the legacy, and what a sick hunt is for people who don't know.

FAQ for me.

I think I did a segment on Bradley Marta's podcast of what is a sick hunt.

So maybe replay that in the podcast and chuck it in there because that shit went fucking viral.

That was fucking somewhere.

What is a sick hunt?

Have you seen it?

I don't think so.

Oh, bro.

That shit was funny, man.

What is aesthetics?

Aesthetics to me is the definition of beauty that like you know is appealing um whether it's in the physique or just something that's eye appealing and eye catching what does it mean to the legacy i guess it was brought and dubbed into the legacy as a movement that was brought into bodybuilding which brought about a new wave of um people that are entering the gym it wasn't just about like gaining size and being a big bodybuilder and a small like little underweight on stage you could also be a bodybuilder but be a smaller bodybuilder be lean be aesthetic be not as like upsized be a bit like more chiseled uh you don't have to be a huge dude.

You don't have to be lifting heavyweights and you don't have to live the typical bodybuilder lifestyle.

Aesthetics brought a whole range of people into bodybuilding that otherwise would have never touched bodybuilding in the first place.

And, you know, we have Aziz to thank for that.

And

I think so too.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

So he pushed that movement and here I am and a whole bunch of other people continuing and following that.

you know, to the end of time, basically.

So it's just a new wave of bodybuilding.

And it's an amazing movement.

It's brought brought so many people together, so many communities from music, like hard style, and fucking, you know, you've even got like, what's that sub-genre category of music called?

They call it something.

I can't remember.

Brain freeze.

But yeah, basically, it's just brought that whole wave of

new age lifters into bodybuilding through aesthetics.

And I think that's the best and most beautiful part of it all.

Stetic asks also, I think this is a good transition into like how it's changed, but he asks, what does the legacy mean to you and how it's changed over time?

So I guess basically what you were just saying, but what do you think about it now?

Yeah, so I think now what the legacy means to me is about unity, is about strength and about power.

It's about overcoming adversity.

It's about staying true to yourself.

It's about community, you know, this is a community that this legacy has been built on.

And it's moved from all facets of life through the music industry, into the fitness industry, into the gaming industry.

it's all intertwined and subbed into one dubbed as the legacy so the legacy to me is unity is family is a bunch of like-minded individuals sticking together banding together to the end of time working hard lifting one another supporting one another and you know working hard and staying true to themselves to achieve all their goals and dreams and

there's so many people that it has touched that it's been truly like heartwarming to see and I can tell I can safely tell you that I could sleep well at night knowing that it's impacted that many people.

Market Gaines asked current cycle ever going to compete in NPC, which you answered.

Current cycle is, yep, so I'm doing 375 MGs of test, MK677,

one capsule a day, 30 MGs,

GHRP6, 10 units, three times a day before eating my meals.

And on top of that, just a whole range of like natty supplements, like I mentioned, the krill oil, this and that, everything else, fish oils, glucosamine, creatine,

and the rest of it is just like really eating a lot of food,

training really hard.

Oh, and also I will do IGF one, LR3 before training, particularly leg days and back days, just to get a boost in that sector.

Am I planning to compete NPC?

Yes, I will be making my debut into IFPB Pro Leagues Australia for men's physique next year in March, I believe it is, April.

And I'm I'm transitioning obviously from the WBFF where I attained my goal of getting the pro card.

And now I'm moving on to bigger and better things.

Mr.

Jason asked, what do you think about the red pill community now and its effect on society?

I think the red pill community

is

very accurate in many ways, but I also think in many ways it's a little bit out of touch with reality and how things really are.

And I think that, you know, eventually

things will level out a little bit because I think at the moment it's a little bit too far-fetched in some of the theories, but in essence, the core of it is true to its message.

Dog or Dodge asks,

Worst cycle that you've ever run.

Yeah, the high test and the high trend, as mentioned before, definitely the worst.

Would not do it again, would definitely not recommend.

You won't have a great time.

Kayden Charlin asks, Who is the current fitness influencer that reminds you the most of your late brother Aziz?

Nobody.

Danny Sellin asks:

Has gear use affected your fertility?

If so, how have you managed it?

Not so much, no, not really.

People can manage fertility issues whilst on steroids with many ways.

Like lots of bodybuilders obviously like freeze their sperm and things like that.

I'm still fine.

There's no issues going on with me.

Lots of bodybuilders have had kids, like Arnold, Ronnie, this and that.

I think it's, you know, when you start steroids, it's like a needle in the haystack in terms of like ruining your fertility.

It's super rare.

And a lot of it's like genetic based.

I know lots of people also on steroids that have gotten their partners pregnant and things like that.

So, I don't think it's too much of an issue, especially if you're not doing huge and high dosages.

Dylan Hearns asks, What should I take after MK677?

Um,

nothing after MK677, stay off for the length of time that you are on MK677 to give your insulin receptors a break and just chill out and just train naturally.

Nice.

Uh, last one, Simeon Simon Peterson asks, what are some unknown, untold Z's and Chessbrug?

Good moments?

Oh, there's too many to name.

I want to know where to start.

But one day I'll cover it.

Yeah.

Because I could sit here all day talking.

Yeah, I know, right?

Yeah.

It'll take some time to recall the memories, but.

Yeah.

All right.

I ask one question at the end of every podcast.

You could sit here and talk forever.

That's why.

I don't remember if I asked you this question at the last podcast.

But if you were to leave the earth tomorrow in whatever way that you you do and you had one last message you could send to the entire world today what would the message be don't be afraid to be yourself and chase your dreams and be unapologetically yourself don't aim to please people just be yourself and do everything it is in life that you want to do like you know tomorrow is never guaranteed so just like literally live life like it's

your only life and the last day on earth that you're going to live.

Like just do everything.

Play lots of sports, live passionately, chase a hobby, chase a dream, you know, build a craft, start a business.

Try it all.

Don't just succumb to like a normal, average, plain, mundane life because that's the worst that you can fucking do.

And then you'll just die and have achieved absolutely nothing.

And, you know, you'll get to an age where you'll be bored and you'll be disappointed that you did nothing.

So try everything, experience everything, the good, the bad, the ugly, and live your fucking life how you want to live your life, not how your parents want you to live your life, not how your friends want you to live your life.

Live your life how you want to fucking live your life and enjoy it.

Enjoy every minute of it.

The good and the bad.

Fuck yeah.

Where can everybody find you?

Said Segevich.

Said underscore underscore segevich uh on instagram tick tock chessbra official my boy will pop them up somewhere here um

and yes those are my main two platforms and if you guys want to grab any of my merch and support the cause uh saversianfitness.com sick fuck yeah thank you that was dope bro

man even better than the first one even better now we're about to train boys so yeah be fun we're gonna have

stay tuned for the workout we're gonna be doing some uh what was that term that you said we're going to be doing some of that stuff with the legs, the quads?

Like SST?

Yes, that stuff.

Yeah, the crazy stuff.

That's 20-second rest and failure for every set.

Yeah.

Sexy psychoplasmic stimulation.

Sexy psychoplasmic stimulation.

Psychoplasmic stimulation.

Oh, my god.

Guys, if you'd like to support the podcast, you can by rating a five-stars on Apple Podcast Spotify already, where you find your podcast and subscribing to the YouTube channel because it gets us six awesome guests like this guy.

So I love you guys.

Thanks again for coming through.

I got a piss.

Peace.

Oh, God.