Durrah and I Debate PED Use At His 1st Classic Olympia

Ahmoud al-Dura, also known as her loved and her favorite, dad cycle dura, previously on this podcast known as an extremely transparent and once 212 Olympian, but has now just recently won a classic show eight years later.

He's now the first Arab to become a classic

212 champion.

When you overdose, the reason why there's the notion of it's less detail when you're on more drugs is because a lot of it converts to estrogen and estrogen retains water.

I don't know if I'm fully on with it just being from estrogen.

What else is it?

More testosterone.

You're building more muscle.

Why is that side effect there from testosterone?

I don't think people are gonna like this.

When they're both diced, there's something about Ramon's back that looks more dry.

It's because there is space still between the muscles.

There is such a thing as too much muscle on your frame.

I've never used hairline.

I did the bad side for the hair.

625 milligrams of test.

Five units of GH, T3, Clumby.

When you were doing 212, I was crazy.

What extra stuff did you have on top of that?

Way more.

Way more.

Okay, 212 side, 1,000 to 1,200 milligrams of.

That's really crazy.

We're back here again.

Yeah, I know.

And this time you're supposed to be at your second fucking Olympia.

Second Olympia, and we're in Vegas now.

So this is pretty wild.

Yeah, and you're wearing that sexy ass jacket.

It's pretty dope, huh?

That shit turns me on.

Wow.

I like it.

Crazy.

I love it when the homies wear Olympia jackets.

What's that?

I love it when the homies wear Olympia jackets.

Yeah, I actually like the new one.

I have the one from 2018, but I like this one a lot better.

I like what they've done to it.

I like it.

What does the 2018 one look like?

It's like gray with red.

Okay.

Yeah.

No, this one's way cooler.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

I feel like I'd fuck with either.

I feel like I'd fuck with one, you know?

They sell if I just at least get one.

I was going to buy another one yesterday.

It was like white and gold, but then it was like $290.

I was like, oh, holy shit.

Wait, so they but they give it to you guys as athletes.

Yeah.

But they also sell it.

Exactly.

Oh, but yeah.

Damn.

Yeah.

I thought it was like an entry-level thing.

Like you had to fucking.

So I don't think you can buy these.

Okay.

Looks like a different kind of.

Different color.

Yeah.

Different white with gold and the O in the back.

Okay.

And I was going to buy it, but again, like, I'm

$290.

I'm cheap with clothes.

Cheap with clothes, but then you have this beautiful suite.

But you're expensive with experiences.

Yeah.

And cars.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

Those are 1,000% valid.

100% experiences are valid.

Wow.

Okay.

Well, I mean, I'm probably going to have the best of the buying it because i just need to i have to fucking get it from qualifying they're really cool yeah yeah i have to get it from qualifying it'll just drive me more exactly the reason why i want to go to olympia is because i want this jacket just the jacket we're just doing it for the jackets now

congrats on your show by the way thanks man that was uh fucking sick and i i think your shape

i remember you telling me just like you know we're just doing this for fun like i'm just doing this for the experience and you know i'm just experimenting and then you posted your checkup updates like bro you look like a fucking freak.

Your upper body looked crazy.

I um, I looked back at the pictures, I think I looked better, and I hate saying this because, like, every show, you try your best to be a better version of yourself.

Yeah, I know I did gain a little bit of size in my back and a tiny bit in my legs,

but I was sharper in Alabama.

And I think, uh, and I think I finally realized a pattern where when I have two days of carb up, so in Toronto Pro, I had two days of carb up.

Olympia, I had two days of carb up.

Alabama, I only had one day of carb up.

So mind you, I totally deplete to make weight.

Yeah.

And like sometimes I can even starve myself.

So I make weight.

When I have two days to carb up, I look soft.

I look a little bit soft.

I'm still dry.

Like I still have striated glutes and everything, but I'm still kind of soft.

Alabama Pro, I had only one day and I squeezed everything in and god damn, I was sharp as a razor.

I remember you telling me about it too.

Like, you were fucking dehydrating for those,

what, last couple days or something?

Yeah, that was to make weight, too, right?

Yeah, but I did that in all shows, like even Olympia.

But I noticed when I have two days of carb up,

that's when I hold water, okay, or I'm a little bit soft.

So, just one day of carbup, you think, is enough?

And I don't, I didn't even use any deuretics in Alabama.

What about this one?

I did.

Uh,

by the night, so

Friday night,

I was like, man, I'm watery.

And then I took a third, one-third of a diazide.

I looked really good in the morning.

But as time went by, I felt like I was slowly holding water.

So it's funny because now I'm talking about it and it's like I'm reiterating what happened to myself so I can learn.

Yeah.

So like I'm repeating just kind of like for my own memory, not for the podcast.

So in the morning of the Olympia, I took like a quarter of a diazide i should have taken one third one one full third okay because by the time i stepped on stage i was a little bit watery a little bit yeah but i don't think it would have made much of a difference these

guys

in person

are fucked

what the fuck bro

Like I was backstage

and it's like, you know, like you saw a few guys and then you're like oh this guy is like definitely in the top five or something but then everyone looks like they're in the top five and then when you're then finally in line on stage the guy that you were looking at is like 13th

and you're just like can can i just go eat like this is

i did my presentation i stepped on the olympia stage Can I just go eat?

You know what's really funny?

When they called out, so they did all the comparisons.

finally, I don't know, I was like in the fourth call out or something, yeah, and then I did my thing, and then I went back in line.

And then they brought up, uh, they wanted to compare like the first top 10 again, so it was two more call outs.

So when I was back there, I kind of went back and I wanted to go eat actually, like have a couple of rice cakes.

And the guy's like, Where are you going?

I'm like, Well, I know I'm not gonna go back on, so can I just like

he's like, Bro, get the fuck back on stage.

I'm like, okay, okay, it's just like kind of point, all right, pointless, but okay.

I'm just kind of like, because there's like 60 guys on there

There's 60 guys.

They don't even see me

Yeah, I gotcha.

Yeah,

I honestly get it man.

Uh when I was even just doing a normal fucking regular bro show I'm looking at like my boy Mo for example.

I don't know have you heard of

I don't remember Mo's like full name or his Instagram name.

Is that a Muhammad?

No, it's um Mustafa?

I'm not even gonna answer this.

Okay.

Yeah, my boy Mo, he got second place at our show.

He's been getting second place back to back, but he looks fucking amazing.

And he's also like squeezing down to meet the weight gap.

But, bro, you see these guys in person and you're like, Jesus Christ, bro.

You're fucking 3D.

Your shoulders are round as shit.

Yeah, yeah.

Your chest is,

it's like, it's in, I see you on Instagram and it's not even close to the same.

You can't really like, you can't detect that like level of depth.

through this Instagram picture.

Yeah, you just don't see it in person.

And then the lights, too.

Yeah.

And then me, you know a little five seven and a half short ass me you see me on instagram five six and a half bro you're five six and a half five six on the dot okay cool we can't lie anymore about my weights

we can't lie anymore we can't lie anymore yeah

well i mean at least at least that way i can that's what i that's why i always use the um the IFBB measurement is because I'm just like, that's what they measured me.

So you guys can fucking argue about my height all day, but you know, I'm just going to let you know what they get.

Yeah, I measured five, though.

It's five, six.

If I was a hair over five, six,

my weight cap would go up another six pounds.

Yes, that would be nice.

Okay, so real quick, though, because

you were mentioning filling out more for Olympia.

I got a little bit of insider info that,

so

Logan Franklin, my coach Patrick Torre, they had a different angle for this show to fill him out because the judges wanted him a little bit more full and size was a factor in in terms of

you know Logan Logan's shape is amazing, but some of these guys that are especially more compact and stuff or even versus Ramon, these guys just seem to be, I think I'm the only one who doesn't think Logan's shape is amazing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I'm the like I've I've I don't see what other people are seeing.

I really do think it's very nice, but I do, I do also feel like there are shapes that are a little bit more fitting.

He has really good quads.

He does.

They're fucking fantastic.

But then his calves are very small and his legs are long.

So that's the first thing that kind of throws the shape off.

But then he is quad dominant over his upper body.

But wait, quad dominant, not leg dominant.

So it's not his quads, hamstrings, and calves and everything.

It's just the quads that are really big.

And then there's small calves.

And then his upper body is like kind of small.

and that's when I compare him to guys like let's say Niall for example Nal Naga right yeah

what the fuck

that's not what is that that's Nil Darwin I'm not nigga oh no Niall the you're Darwin yeah one punch yeah one punch not yeah look at his name is Niall no yeah it's Niall N-I-A-L-L yeah he's a dope guy Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about me, bro.

Yeah, I know that you have the same name.

What?

Nothing.

Like, she's laughing in the back.

I've had comments being like, bro, we heard fucking Fula talking about you on the podcast.

You fucking made it.

I'm like, oh, it's not the same Niall.

These guys, guys, please.

Yeah, so Niall.

I know I'm great, but

Niall was in my, like, right in front of me.

Yeah.

And I was like, oh, really?

Like, come on.

Niall in front of me.

Michael Daboo in front of him.

Fuck.

I'm so proud of Michael Ben.

So I got

two, I got a top five.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Yeah, I got a

fourth place guy, or yeah, fifth place guy.

I got

an eighth place guy.

And then like two guys behind, I think, and then Logan, Logan, Logan Paul was like three steps behind, three guys behind me.

I was in that callout.

Yeah.

And I remember I was like, the second I got off stage, I texted my friend.

I'm like, review quick.

He's like, well, here's the problem you looked good

but then niall is right next to you and then michael dabul is right next to him and michael is like the most conditioned guy on stage second to jose now yeah well maybe on no no no second to jose second to jose yeah yeah yeah i'd say um i say yeah i would just say basically um michael just tailors a little bit more towards a level of like muscle fullness like the pressure yeah yeah but jose is now he does especially yeah but um so yeah and and Nile looks like just like a fucking cartoon character, man.

His waist is so fucking small.

Yeah, it's nuts.

And now I'm like, I did a YouTube video yesterday where I was like.

Your waist is fucking tiny when you vacuum, though, for sure.

No.

Especially with your lat width.

It's crazy.

Yeah, but here's the problem.

I have a huge rib cage that sticks out all the way to the front and it's slow.

So now I'm like thinking, I gotta find a new way to pose my front double bicep.

And I'm thinking, Kamal El-Ghargni, the guy who won the 212 at 49 years old, the Arab dude.

Yeah.

So when he poses his front double bicep, he's flexing his abs down.

So like,

he's flexing all the abs.

And

I have an okay set of abs.

They're nice.

But everyone poses upwards.

He used to always pose like kind of downwards, flexing his stomach.

Yeah.

But it worked for him.

Like it made him have a lot more flow.

Right.

So now is our abs one of your strengths though?

Do you think core is one of your strengths?

Your obliques are great for sure.

I think so.

Yeah.

I think my absolute they look all right.

Have you explained?

Yeah.

I say post a picture with you doing the front double bicep with your abs flexed and then one with your vacuum.

Yeah, exactly.

I got it.

And then we'll, we'll all get to see like the taper and everything, and then we'll be able to judge that.

But basically going back to what I was saying about Logan is because this kind of ties in, because I'm also going to mention Nick, but basically, Patrick Torres' attack with him was to fill him out more, right?

Get him at a heavier level, fill him out more with, I mean,

I would assume the PED doses are just a little bit higher because that's obviously what I'm going to be doing for the next show.

And unfortunately, it just didn't work in their favor.

So, what Patrick says is, was Patrick coaching Nick Walker?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'll get there.

No, I'll get there.

Patrick Torrey is coaching Logan Franklin.

And so they filled out more.

And Patrick was like,

it just unfortunately didn't work out in his favor.

What Logan needs is to show off his detail.

Yeah.

His shreds.

That's something that makes him special.

Now, Nick Walker, who's coached by Kyle Wilkes, they did the same thing.

They got some feedback.

And basically, what the feedback is, is that

something along the lines of wanting Nick fuller, but also that they didn't like.

The judges apparently don't like it when he crunches down his abs in his front double bicep.

So, in pre-judging, Nick does his front double bicep during his routine and keeps it high.

But it's it up, it didn't look good.

Didn't crunch it down.

Well, that's the thing is, like one, they tried to get a bigger

physique.

Yeah, unfortunately, no matter what you do,

the highest,

there's just going to be the highest chance of you taking away from reconditioning and trying to do so.

It's so fucking hard to just get fuller and just as conditioned every single time.

We saw it with Samson this year.

We saw it with so many different physiques.

It's always just so.

Wait, what did you see with Samson?

Hold on.

Let me finish real quick.

So

Nick got so basically Nick and Logan.

I think these, this feedback just kind of took away from the things that really made them excel.

You know what I mean?

Like the things that really make them stand out, like is, for example, the detail that draws your eyes to them.

Like Nick's core is crazy right and then also at pittsburgh nick had detail everywhere yeah and his shape was amazing while being fucking huge so in my opinion i don't think they needed to be any bigger i think it's important that you attack the places that you know that you excel at right 100 so yeah like you said for example you felt like you were softer at the show maybe it'd be a good idea to try attacking it at the same way that you attacked the first show where you felt like you were more

detailed i don't look goodful

I don't look good full.

Yeah, gotcha.

My legs have a lot of lines when I'm dry

and your eyes right away go to them.

Yeah.

The second I'm holding a little bit of water, my whole shape goes to shit.

Everything goes to shit.

All of it.

Back doesn't even look as big.

It's big.

But like when I'm 100% on, like I think Alabama was 100%, like not 99, 100%.

Even I look at my own pictures.

I'm like, holy fucking shit, how did I get that?

And I remember even the videos on stage, my face looked like a skeleton.

Like you, I had that Dorian Yates fucking cheekbones and my eyes were all sunken.

And I've never looked like that.

And the second I hold just a little bit, like if I'm three pounds over, and I remember the weight, Alabama was 185 morning of the show.

So I was under the weight cap, under the weight cap, morning of the show.

Olympia, morning of the show, I was 190.

Damn.

Yeah.

But again, these are all learning experiences.

Yeah, they are for sure.

And these are great learning experiences for Nick and Logan, too.

And I think they're going to fucking kill it now that they came back and got this data.

But it's kind of cool to see that, you know, I feel like I resonate with all of you three.

I feel like if I push the boundaries of my fullness, it'll take away from the things that I excel at, right?

Like my back, my back conditioning, my glutes, my hamstrings.

But most of all, When I fill out, those still look good.

But the problem is my midsection goes away.

As soon as I try to fill out more as soon as i eat more carbs and i have more sodium the abs go away and that's unfortunately just a genetic thing and you see that across across so many different filipino people unfortunately like jeremy bundia um who just won bikini again this year maureen um jeremy potvin a bunch of the homies that are filipino we just

We'll try, I'll fucking try so hard to fucking train abs, bro, but the genetics just aren't quite there compared to other people.

Yeah, I I know what you're saying.

I don't know if I know Nick Walker ab genetics, I just don't.

Um, so in order for like it's cool to like analyze these things because now we got to figure out a different protocol for us.

Because, unlike some of these guys, you know, maybe our abs are going to go away and then the judges are going to be like, All right, we're going to dock some points from that.

You, you mentioned something saying you're going to have to up your doses.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention.

Um,

uh, it doesn't

whether or not

I guess like whether or not Logan and uh Nick got that fullness from doing

um like carb manipulation, like you adding like an extra carb day or something, or having a different like, I don't know, nutrient or food intake on those days that they were refeeding before the show, or if it has something to do with the protocol itself, you know, like you don't really know, but regardless, it still fills out your muscle and in doing so and still, I think, take away a little bit from conditioning.

And that's what Patrick Tor and I were talking about.

So, when I talked to Patrick,

what he and I are doing is I decided that I'm going to add Windstroll for the next show because Patrick didn't want to add Windstroll at all for my first show.

Okay, so first show,

first show, we didn't have any orals but Halo, and then it was like Test Masks and Trends.

I've never used Halo.

Oh, I'm good with Halo.

Never used Halo.

I did the dad cycle for the Olympia, yeah, still

didn't change that 600 just to be very transparent,

pun intended,

625 milligrams of test,

five units of GH,

T3 clambuterol.

That's it.

And then the last six weeks, I switched the test with 500 milligrams of Mastron.

That's it.

When you were doing 212.

Oh,

I was crazy.

What extra stuff did you have on top of that?

Okay, so 212 cycle

a thousand uh to a thousand two hundred milligrams of testenantate

with five hundred milligrams of mastron or four hundred milligrams of mastron a week,

three hundred and fifty milligrams of Winstroll a week, uh, 300 milligrams of windshall a week, yeah,

which is like almost fifty a day, yeah,

um, 300 milligrams of Tren acetate

uh a week uh provirin

um

and then uh

yeah that's it and then uh gh very much higher plan and all that stuff so way more way more that's way more than what you took for this show but honestly in the grand scheme of things of just like olympians in general i feel like that's not high i feel like that's average it is average these doses are average for the olympians especially for like a 212 yeah but what's crazy is the dad cycle to the olympia that That I'm that like that's that's my flex now.

But okay, here's the thing that here's one of the things that I like love talking about though.

Like I did that not shit, did that shit not get you like more detailed?

More appealed?

No.

You don't think so?

No.

You didn't think you got more detailed from trying to sink

from trying to suck down?

No.

What I would tell you, the difference was, is my blood work.

So I like to do blood work close to my shows because that's when shit is supposed to be hitting the fan.

Like I deliberately do a blood test a week before my show where I'm supposed to be at my all-time worst.

And I use that as an indicator of whether or not I should continue or not.

Not the prep.

I'm going to continue the prep because it's only one week out, but as I'm to do another show, I like to always test myself at my worst,

considering that I'm almost 40 now.

So I did a test.

one week out of the Olympia, and it was probably one of my best blood works that I've had done in the last last five years.

No off-markers, none,

none.

What did it look like?

I can show you.

None.

Cholesterol, all within range.

All of it.

HDL, LDL, triglycerides, ratio.

Can you pull it up?

Yeah.

And yeah, pull it up real quick.

Were you taking any ancillaries while you were

like during this prep?

Oh, like glutathio macin or aromicin.

But any ancillaries that are supportive of your organs?

Oh,

no.

NAC.

Like supplementation.

Just NAC.

Yeah.

I take turmeric.

No, wait, hold on.

No, no, no, no, no.

I take turmeric.

I think that does help.

I take allicin or allicine, which is garlic extract.

I take K2 with D3, which is a blood kind of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just basic supplements that I take, but nothing like no anti no liver support kidney support, none of that.

You do, but those are a lot of antioxidants, and those are the most important things, honestly.

Yeah, of course.

But I let me gallery.

Plus, most of these like liver supports and shit have just

like a culmination of antioxidants in them.

I really want to put out the test results and I want to show it to you right now.

But yeah, like if you ever listen to like my podcast with Dr.

Dean, you'll hear him just go off about

how antioxidants are basically your primary driver of trying to make sure that you're not you got your phone next to you mine yeah

so i have a mashallah written on it to prevent people from jinxing me right

so

okay i'm sending it to you right now niall

dude logan was still peeled check this out

logan looked awesome The only thing that was off was my glucose.

It was very low.

My creatinine is only two points higher or three points higher, but that's because I'm African.

So that's my normal.

And then my

HCT was like 0.09 higher.

But look at everything else.

Yeah, everything else is.

What's up?

Damn, look at that shit.

What is up?

LDL and HDL all in a good range.

That's pretty dope.

Yeah, ALT is at 39.

A week out.

Do you happen to have any like

do you ever get like your LP little A or your Apo B or any of these things?

Uh, before, but only when if there's a problem, doctors can't just prescribe that.

So I also, yeah, I also did

that like a thing in Quebec.

Yeah.

Yeah, I also did the

blood, um, the clotting factor, too.

I don't think they're on the ones I sent you, but they're there

on another sheet.

And again, no clotting factor.

Yeah, that's pretty dope, though.

So you really don't feel like you got more

conditioned?

No.

Like, I feel like I saw more lines in your physique for

plastic.

That's just muscle maturity, man.

I'm just getting older.

Interesting.

Okay.

I don't really have the same perspective.

I kind of feel that.

Like I do believe that muscle maturity is a factor, but honestly, like Patrick Torrey and I were talking about how like when I talked about adding windstrolling, for example, he's like, just remember, though, that it'll likely take away a little bit from your detailing and conditioning.

It holds water, you're going to get more fullness in return, right?

So, so that's what we kind of wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's that's not entirely that's odd.

So, windstrol tablets,

which is stenozol,

that makes you retain a bit of water,

but windstroll injectable is supposed to dry you out more,

yeah.

And I'll, I'll bet money on that.

Okay, cool, yeah,

well,

yeah, we were basically just talking about

talking about the detail that comes with, I think, not overdoing dosages.

And

I think it was this, I'm trying to remember.

Well, here's the thing, right?

When you overdose, it all comes down to estrogen.

I think higher testosterone, the reason why there's the notion of it's less detail when you're on more drugs is because a lot of it converts to estrogen and estrogen retains water.

I don't know if I'm fully on with that.

No, bro.

No.

100%.

100%.

Estrogen retains water, makes it harder to retain fat as well.

No, I'm on with that.

I don't know if I'm fully on with it just being from estrogen.

Oh, well,

no, I think it's...

Because what else is it?

More testosterone.

You're building more muscle.

It's just water retention in general.

Yeah, as a side effect.

But why do you get that?

Why do you get water retention?

Why is that side effect there from testosterone?

Because it converts to estrogen well i'm we're talking about water retention in general not just in the subcutaneous layer right we're also talking about like

intramuscular right but you want that though intramuscular is very different than subcutaneous that's why that's why like i can think what open bodybuilders do you see more shredded than classic

how do you feel how do you feel about what how do you feel about what urs looks like now yeah versus what us looked like when he was in classic and he was shrinking down

he's still fucking shredded but let's talk about hadi chupan

okay okay

okay what do you want to talk about so he's diced as shit

and he's as he's as dry as uh as people in classic so the the re the reason why behind the back

i was just gonna say the back the reason why the back is is not as dry is because i don't think it's a matter of retaining water there I think muscle just when it starts to grow, like let's say you have

like your back, you got the, not the rhomboids, what are they called?

Those two tubes in the middle.

Not the rhamboids,

what are they called?

Right on top of the lower back.

The lower traps?

There's the upper and lower traps.

There's a rhomboids also in the same area.

Yeah, they have a name.

Erectors, the spinal erectors, right?

You have the spinal erectors right there.

And then in the middle, you have like space a little bit between them.

And when you're very dry, you kind of have that Christmas tree when you hit a back double biceps.

When your spinal rector starts to fucking grow so much, they start to grow like

into each other.

And then the detail, the gap start to go away.

That's what I think happens.

And a good example is Ramon and Mike.

Look at both their back double biceps.

Ramon

has less back muscles than Mike.

But then when they're both diced, There's something about Ramon's back that looks more dry.

It's because there is space still between the muscles.

There is such a thing as too much muscle on your frame.

And that's what I think happens.

But in terms of the water retention, it's 100% estrogen.

And I have

Femara on me, which I used.

I use it in the last five days only.

It's the strongest anti-estrogen in the world.

I can give you one pill today.

You will wake up tomorrow three pounds less.

Your bed will be wet from how much you're going to sweat.

That's wild.

One pill.

One pill will do that.

Just one dose.

It will drive your estrogen so low and it will have a duretic effect, but a hormonal duretic effect.

So you lose the water from crashing estrogen.

As opposed to your duretic, you lose it through your kidneys.

Both of them are two different mechanisms.

It's the estrogen,

what comes with the high doses.

And then you got a bunch of other shit that they're using, like EQ

or all these other orals.

They're all still androgens.

And then, let's say, Mastron.

Mastron is like one of the most fake things right now.

You'd think you're getting pure DHT that doesn't convert to estrogen, but are you really?

Are you really?

You know?

Yeah, real quick, guys.

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I think you make some pretty good points.

and uh it's a pretty

i think that's a pretty valid theory i just

it's getting hot in here

yeah

you're gonna show the pump i'm gonna show the pump guys

here we go oh

here we go jesus christ dude all right it's here dude that that dragon ball tat is sick oh the go the goku and the vegeta that's tough as shit yeah see but do you know which scenes these are from How old is that?

I just did it this year.

No shit.

Yeah.

So this is the scene, guys, when Vegeta sacrificed himself for his family.

And that's the scene when Goku sacrificed himself for his friends and family, too.

Oh, that's cool.

Yeah.

So this is from the Boo Saga, from the Cell Saga.

And it kind of reflects what I did for Zane, my son, because he's the one who brought me back to competition

when he asked me,

can you do one more show?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I was like, boy, I will do the Olympia again for for you.

That was dope.

Yeah, you're still fucking peeled, bro.

Maybe you just threw it all up, but Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I got a nip slip right here.

All right.

Yeah, anyways, I think you're totally on point with the estrogen thing, but I do.

I do really just like, there's definitely more variables.

It's not just estrogen, but for sure estrogen is a big factor.

And obviously, if you're not going to suppress estrogen, then you're not, you're going to have that water retention.

I don't know.

Let's see in the comments.

I personally think it's only the estrogen.

Yeah, that's fine.

That's fine.

But for sure, there's other variables such as cortisol and stress.

But what does cortisol and stress have to do?

With water retention?

No, with taking more gear.

So we're just talking, we are totally just talking about water retention right now, right?

Like subcutaneous water retention.

Okay, I thought we were talking about the more gear you take, the less sharp you are.

And that's why, and you're saying that's why estrogen.

Yes, and I'm saying the more gear you take, the less sharper you are, is only because of estrogen.

Okay, just because when you increase the gear, I see what you're saying.

Yes, huh?

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not really well-versed enough to fucking answer this, to be honest.

I don't even know if anyone actually has like the true answers to this.

Everyone just has theories.

I would challenge anyone for that.

i'm curious i i challenge anyone challenge accepted guys anyone it's it all comes down to science and it's it's it's like um

it's like the thing is i mean there's like there's like non-estrogenic compounds no that as you increase it yeah you're gonna get more and more full but there's certain lines like if you're like if you're full and you're in a you're a balance full it's probably the best look you can have right yeah but when guys have like sometimes like a flatter muscle belly,

the lines are a little bit deeper because there's not as much water under the muscle that's pushing.

That's because you know what I'm saying?

I know exactly what you're saying.

That's because the

water that's supposed to be intramuscular is not in.

And that's why when we carb up, you're not supposed to cut sodium because you need the sodium to pull the water into the muscle.

But you don't think that just like the fullest muscle bellies are also just the roundest and also just like sometimes have less deep details because they're so fucking that but yes but then that goes back to my hadi chupan theory where it's like you grow so much

the muscle starts growing into each other and that the details go away and that goes back to my ramon's back versus mike's back yeah ramon has a lot more eye pleasing detail like in the middle because he just has less muscle.

You look at Mike Sommerfeld's spinal erectors,

it kind of blurs the separation of the lower back all the way up into the upper back.

Okay, yeah.

The only person who was fucking dry enough to still show that detail, the only fucking one bodybuilder was Dorian Yates.

Biggest back in the world and the fucking driest.

I do, I think there's a, I do believe that there is still a big, uh, a big genetic variable.

I was just going to ask, yes, you're right.

Which body part is going to be

the muscle insertions.

Right.

Like you look at, like,

then there's people like

Jose that are just fucking gifted and are just fucking striated everywhere.

But you've also seen him when he competed at open, and he's just not nearly as detailed, right?

Did you see his open pictures back then?

I have not, no.

Yeah, he's, it's like, it's like Ursh going into Open.

So I think we're...

But Urs was pretty dry, too, you don't find.

This is the most bro debate I think I've ever fucking had, bro.

I think that um i i think we're probably on the same page but basically like we're just agreeing that honestly as you get bigger and bigger and as you push the size harder it's just going to be harder for you to get the same level of conditioning i think it's because two things estrogen from testosterone and muscle cramping into each other losing the lines in between and then you add something which you said which is the genetic part, which I think has to do with the muscle insertions, where they're tied in.

Where, how does the muscle actually look?

Are they that close to each other?

They're very close, it just everything just jams into each other, and you lose the details in between, and then you lose the separation.

And then you kind of don't know, well, is he holding water or is it just too fucking big?

Yeah, look at Derek.

You've seen how this guy's

much bigger this year.

I find.

I don't know.

Maybe in person, like as I was there, but goddamn, he's not as uh

yeah, it's just muscle starts to go into each other, you know.

And your body does want to stay at a state of like homeostasis, you know, especially with the distribution of water.

That's just what we're trying to fucking play with as much as possible.

So, yeah, you can only hold it for so long.

And as you get bigger and bigger and bigger, obviously, your body's going to hold more and more water in general, and it's going to want to hold that in the other layers of your body too, to hold that.

And I think it changes even with the years

you don't find

like let's say

when I was very young, you know, my striated glutes were the last thing that would show.

Now it's my lower back.

Like, I think

things shift as you get older.

Like,

water and both water and fat kind of choose to deplete themselves in different areas as you get older.

I could totally see that.

Yeah.

I feel like it probably differs a little bit per person, but I think

most people probably have around the same areas.

It kind of just changes as you get older.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And then your waist might get a little bit bigger and shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you feel like your waist got bigger as you got older?

Yes, it did.

Do you feel like it's bigger now than it was in 212?

It did, yes.

Damn.

And there's not, and you know what's the sad part?

There's not much I can do about it.

Like, I saw pictures of myself 2018, New York Pro, fucking

built as a house, bro.

How old were you then again?

32, 31.

Okay.

And you're, how old now?

39.

Okay.

And I was just like, I'm looking at these pictures.

I was hitting a front double fucking Cobra back, but the waist was really small.

And I was like, huh, I don't have that waist anymore.

Even though I'm on less gear,

I'm smaller, more conditioned, but my waist is thicker.

And it's sad.

And there's nothing you can do.

And I just did it.

I just spoke about that on my YouTube.

Because like, you know, a lot of the hardcore Arab fans, you know, they're they can be very supportive, and they were hoping they'd see me in the top 15.

And I actually went on my channel, I was like, guys, listen,

like, there is a chance that I will get better and I will qualify again for the Olympia.

But I'm telling you, even if I do this again next year and I'm better and I improve my legs, I'm not gonna be in the top 15, guys.

You got, we gotta, we gotta stop this.

Like, we gotta stop.

Like, I know my structure, I know what I'm up against and uh and i'm i'm i'm a realist

uh and and you guys and you have guys like nick walker who everyone channels their energy in a different way their positive energy in a different way you have people that constantly affirm that they're going to win or they're going to be great or they're going to be in the top 10.

I kind of like to

under promise.

And if I'm able to over deliver, that's fucking great.

And I use fear as a motivator.

So, like, in my head, I know I'm not going to be in the top 15.

I know I'm not.

And that doesn't take away from the work ethic.

If anything, it just makes me more scared.

Like, it just makes me realize, like, fuck, I'm so behind these guys.

And I just got to do more.

Do you feel like you experience any anxiety from that?

I don't, I stopped being anxious.

I thought I was going to be anxious backstage at the Olympia.

I was not at all.

At all.

Do you know why?

Yeah, I think it's because I've done this so many times.

Yeah.

I was nervous the night before the Olympia, the night before, for like maybe an hour.

I'm nervous.

I'll tell you what I'm nervous about.

The errands in the morning of the show.

So, like, ordering fucking room service, and they're like

50 or 30 minutes late.

Then I start to get nervous.

Tanning.

The lady that's supposed to tan me, let's say, is like running 15 minutes late.

Fuck.

You know, I like to be there early at the show,

backstage, and then I can kind of like relax.

And then I take my time

pumping and all that.

So what gets me really nervous is like the schedule, like not being late and like running into random shit during the day.

But the show itself, I don't get nervous anymore.

And I thought I would be at the Olympia, but fuck, nothing at all.

Nothing.

Standing in line just before going on stage, nothing.

And usually, like seven years ago, I'd be shitting myself, man.

Like, my heart rate would be so fucking high.

My heart rate is higher when I sim race

right before the lights go green.

Racing with a with a bunch of wankers in their basements live.

I'm more nervous racing on my simulator than stepping stepping on stage.

I kid you not.

I'll measure my fucking heart rate.

Before the race, I'm just waiting for the lights to go green.

My heart is like,

and the first lap is just like so tense, and my heart rate is like 150.

Backstage now, it's like I'm just fucking, yeah, it's just another day in the office.

That practice makes perfect.

I think so, yeah.

And you learn to enjoy it.

So I'm excited to step on stage.

I'm excited to be under those lights.

I'm excited to get my YouTube content, sell some of my programs, all that kind of shit.

So it's for me, it's like, yeah, this is the fun part of our work.

Yeah.

This is what Andy and Peret, or Andy, Andy Perez and I were talking about is

that maybe potential anxiety that you get, that fear.

Things go away with practice and consistently competing.

Yeah.

As you do it more and more, you get more comfortable with the process and it almost just becomes

like back of your hand.

Yeah, it's another day, you know,

another day at the office.

Yeah, that's why when people are asking me, like, what are you doing?

I'm like, of course, I'm going to do a couple shows at least.

Like, why am I going to waste the whole prep on just one show?

100%.

Like, I literally starved myself for 18 weeks.

Yeah, exactly.

Suffered, so I got to get at least a little bit out of this.

And even if they're not good, good fucking placings, fuck it.

It's for the experience, you know?

I'm wondering if I should do Mexico next week.

Why not?

Fuck it.

Oh,

honestly,

you missed that chocolate cake.

No, it's not even that because after yesterday's uh shit show, pun intended, bro.

No way.

Like the whole food thing, I'm not.

Yeah, I've had a terrible experience.

I ate, I ate like so much lasagna yesterday, and I don't know, maybe I had food poisoning.

I don't know what it was, but I was like, it was horrible last night.

So

my food craving now is back to almost nothing.

I have, what time is it?

It's uh, it's fucking 3:48.

3.48.

I ate nothing today.

Damn.

Zero.

Nothing.

Just some water.

You're just not hungry?

No.

I'm waiting for my room service to come.

Yeah.

And guess what I ordered for room service?

Same breakfast as my prep.

Four whole eggs, sunny side up, and two toasts.

Nice.

Yeah, that's it.

Yes.

Yeah.

So that's healthier than what freaking

boy Dorian has for his.

Yeah.

I don't know if you know this guy, Dorian

Vranges.

He's a men's physique broken better, and he just fucking shred out his mind and his metabolism is through the roof.

So, offseason, he has the worst time, you know?

But, like, during fucking refeed, or like, not refeed, when he's uh peeking for a show and he has the carb up, bro has to smash like over a thousand grams of carbs.

They have to like go get pancakes at IHOP and shit.

Yeah, see, that doesn't work with me.

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But yeah, the thing is with like competing at Mexico again, I think it's, I think it's laziness.

Not laziness.

I'm tired to travel.

I just want to stay home, bro.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm tired.

Also, I got a new car, and I want to go enjoy that.

What'd you get?

I got

a Ferrari 812 Superfast.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

What the fuck?

Yeah.

See this baby again.

Oh, you're going to Google it?

Yeah.

You got to Google it?

Oh, fuck.

I don't have fucking internet.

Wait, didn't do you wait, you didn't get my um

do you want me to send it to you on WhatsApp?

I have a video of it coming off the trailer.

Yes, it would be.

All right, hold on, hold on, hold on.

You're gonna love this.

Are we gonna put that on the uh on the podcast?

Sure, fuck it.

I don't mind.

God, dude, this shit's beautiful.

No, no, no, no, no, I want you to I want you to see my the color that I got

right right off the trailer.

It came at night.

Okay, Niall.

How many cars do you have now?

No, I only have, I only

always have two.

I just replace, switch the, the,

the expensive ones.

Oh, that's...

Oh, that's tough.

That's fucking sick.

Yeah.

I wonder if they can see that.

I don't think they can.

We can just put the clip on there.

So I'm excited to play with that a little bit.

And remember, I live in Quebec, so I only got like a few more weeks of

drivable weather.

And then

how cold does it get?

And how fucking icy, I guess.

Cold to the point where I can't drive the car.

Yeah.

I have to put it on my garage lift and that's it.

It's the

damn.

Yeah.

Well,

I'll see what I feel like on Monday.

Yeah.

Still think you should go to Mexico.

But won't like other people do it?

A few.

But so what?

Other people did your last shows and you fucking won.

Yeah, I mean, it's a good opportunity to collect like quick points, you know?

Yeah, exactly.

It's like wrap them up.

And I'm fucking saying this knowing that I'm putting myself on the spot because I'm still competing right now, too.

So I'm literally going to be competing against a bunch of Olympians this next weekend.

You're going to Mexico?

No, I'm doing a different show.

Which one?

Florida.

Oh, I heard about that too.

Don't do that one.

Do the Mexico show.

Florida is much nicer, though.

No, shut the fuck up.

Mexico City is dope.

No, like, yeah, it's the New Mexico, too.

It's not like in fucking Cancun or something.

This isn't the nice Florida.

This is fucking.

This is, what is it?

You are full of shit.

No, I'm serious.

It's not Miami.

It's in

Boca.

What is it called?

It's a small area next to Clearwater.

Key West?

Yeah, St.

Pete, Petersburg or something.

All Florida is nice, bro.

Yeah.

I'm going to check the competitors list right now.

Thanks for letting me know.

Fucking Florida is easy.

I'm going to fart.

You don't want to go?

I wanted to ask, 212 versus this Olympia prep or both Olympia preps, honestly.

So 212 Olympia versus classic Olympia.

No, no, no.

212, I thought

I wasn't in a good place.

Yeah, my ex at the time had breast implant illness.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, so she had to remove her breast implants 10 days before the Olympia.

10 days before the Ompimpy.

That would be a nightmare.

Nightmare.

She had to lose her breast implants?

Do you know?

Oh, I don't care about the breast implants.

I would.

I would just jump off.

No, no.

No, no.

I loved her so much.

Like, that part was like the least of my worries.

I did not care at all.

What I cared was like

her mental state, obviously, because...

her confidence, you know, all that.

The surgery itself.

And like, it's like she was supportive throughout the whole, whole

of my career.

And like, she kind of needed my support at that time.

And that was a bit difficult because like, at the same time, it's like, fuck, like,

we've worked for this show for the last eight years.

We're here.

So it was, it was such a,

it was just horrible mentally,

the whole thing.

Yeah.

And I remember I was in gas, I was, I was going to gas stations at three o'clock in the morning to munch on fucking cookies and shit.

I remember you telling me this.

Oh, yeah, I think I did mention that one of my podcasts.

Yeah, yeah, so it was bad.

No, no, this prep was cool.

This prep was fun.

I think the suffering was like the last two weeks.

You know, I had, I had my own diet, uh, calories were low.

I switched from Stairmaster cardio.

I bought a treadmill in my bedroom, uh, did 30 minutes, uh, empty, empty stomach cardio.

So it was, uh, it was pretty good, man.

It was pretty, pretty, it was pretty sweet.

That's cool.

That's good to hear.

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Isn't it uncanny that I feel like

that type of shit always happens during your prep more often than it doesn't?

You mean these life incidences?

Yeah.

I don't think so, man.

You don't feel like it?

No, no, no.

It just happens.

It just happens.

It's not, things aren't happening to you.

Things are just happening.

No, I'm saying that.

I'm saying that it's just

an occurrence that a lot of us.

It's not an occurrence, Niall, because it's just probability and statistics it's math we're in prep how often how often are we in prep

every year

every year we're in prep you can literally start your prep in february and then something happens in march and be like oh great this always happens in my prep no

no no no i'm trying to say i'm trying to say that a lot of us in the audience have gone through this where we go through a prep and unfortunately we have the experience of kind of

something's fucking going really fucking wrong when you're like not in prep though.

It's just in life.

It's in, it's in life.

It's in life.

It doesn't make a difference that we're in prep.

It doesn't make a difference.

It would have happened if we were still not in prep.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

It's just that it just happens that we are in prep most of the time.

Yeah, but

I want to talk about people going through this during prep at the same time.

I have no sympathy for that because I'll tell you why.

Because

everyone's going through something in prep.

Because it's

prep is like fucking 70 or 60, 60% of our lives.

It's 60 or 70% of the year, 60% of the year.

The probability and statistics.

Is it really?

It is, yeah.

You start prepping.

I started my prep in February.

Mine is 18 weeks.

And the year is 52.

Okay, so I started my prep in February.

So I was prepping from February to June.

Or yeah, to June.

And I thought I would stop there, but I didn't know I was going to go to to the Olympia.

So then it extended to like most of the year, 70% of the year.

Okay, so yours was.

So shit's going to happen.

It's going to happen in the year.

It's not like life is like, oh, let me get him in prep.

It's like, no, bro, we're coming at you in 2027 with this incident, and we don't give a fuck what you're going to be doing that time.

And we just happen to be most of the time in prep.

It's just statistics.

Yeah.

It's probability and the chances of it happening during prep is high because we are prepping 30 to 60% or it's 30 to 40 to 70 percent of the year.

You're still technically in prep.

It's not 18 weeks for you.

It's more.

You're doing a show next week.

We're talking in general about people, but it's fine.

But everyone goes through something.

Yeah, they do.

Even people not in prep.

prep.

So

I'm saying is what difference does it make?

I mean,

do you really think that

it's happening to people in prep?

Or like it almost always happens to people in prep where they go through something versus the notion where human beings just go through shit.

No, you were just focusing on something completely different than I was trying to say.

I probably didn't word it correctly, though.

So that's my fault.

So, what do you mean?

I was just saying that

that shit happens in life a lot.

And so it's going to happen where we're going to have preps

and we're going to be going through something like a fucking divorce.

Or you're going through something like a breakup.

Or you're going to be going through something like your parents or your parents passed away.

And it just makes things fucking tough.

It does.

It puts a stressor.

And it's something that I think a lot of people don't really talk about because you talk about how hard prep is and you talk about how hard to die it is.

Yeah, I see.

Now I see what you mean, but I have a completely different perspective.

What's your perspective?

What's your perspective?

I don't think people are going to like this.

It's fine.

So my perspective is the people who are in prep

need to shut the fuck up because we are getting the privilege of choosing our challenges.

So you're talking about, let's say, the death of a family member or a divorce.

It's happening, but at the same time, at least I'm choosing my other battles, which is prep.

I'm the one who chose this.

So imagine you're a regular guy in a job that you fucking hate from nine to five.

And then you get a divorce.

So now it's like, oh, great.

I hate my fucking job and I'm also going through a divorce versus I'm going through through a divorce, but at least I have the privilege of prepping for something that I love.

No, I fuck with that perspective.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure, bro.

So if anything, it's for me, it's the opposite.

I think, oh, at least we're in prep.

At least we get to do this.

Yeah, I think so too.

No, yeah.

I think it's a perspective that's probably not really thought of a lot.

And it's probably one that

I know that I practice, or at least I attempt to practice every day.

And I try to practice gratitude every morning as well.

But the only reason I feel that way is because PrEP was taken away from me from my back surgery.

So then I lost it.

And then I went through, by the way, so I got a, so I went through a divorce after my back surgery.

So PrEP was gone.

So I technically did go through the shit in life

when I'm not in prep.

And do you know what I was thinking?

I wish I could fucking prep at least.

I wish I was in prep.

No.

You know what's actually hilarious about this discussion right now?

Is I just posted a YouTube video yesterday or no, two days ago.

And it was

the title was The New Plan in Suicide.

And basically, I was just filming a video of me after the show talking about the new plans and stuff.

And then I hung out with my boy Steve Cochrane and we were just having a discussion while we were at the gym.

And I didn't plan for it to go here, but we ended up opening up to each other about

what we have experienced in our lives.

And basically,

I

realized

that it wasn't that I left the house at 15 and because I was finally free,

that I was happy and that I wasn't suicidal anymore.

It It was

because I found bodybuilding when I was 12.

I found like my purpose, my passion, or I found something that I wanted to chase after and I wanted to fucking grow into.

And I realized, you know what?

I never fucking liked any of the shit that my parents put me in just so they could say that I was in it.

Yeah.

I never fucking liked any of it, but I love this shit.

So that's, and that's the irony of it.

Fuck, I'm going to pursue.

I'm going to pursue the fucking thing that I want to fucking do.

And it just gave me the power to leave.

And then we go.

And then, so,

yeah, so that's the irony.

It's like people are like, oh, it happens during prep.

It's like, no, bro, you're fucking,

it's going to happen.

Shit's going to happen anyway.

You're just lucky that you're in fucking prep.

Because you got that purpose.

You got that passion.

You're doing what you love doing.

Yeah.

I don't think people think like that.

People think, oh, this prep was so difficult because I was going through shit.

Bro, the whole world is going through fucking shit.

The only difference is you're going through shit while doing something you love.

As opposed to the other guy who's going to a fucking job and has to fucking, I don't know, move fucking aisle seven shit or concrete across, I don't know, construction and fucking digging potholes.

And you know what I mean?

Yeah.

You're fucking eating chicken and rice and going to the gym and posting it and getting dms from hot chicks well hot hot bros and homies i guess yeah or whatever well both whatever either or

so yeah that perspective of whole you know this prep was very difficult and they do that in speeches right and bodybuilding this prep was very shut the fuck up man

You're on the Olympia stage, bro.

Do you know how many people are dreaming of what you're doing?

Do you know how many people dream that they get to prep for a living?

I get to look good for a living.

What do you do for work?

I'm in corporate.

I manage files of paperwork and law and all that.

What do you do for work?

Oh, I just look good for a living.

What do you mean?

Oh, I just diet and work out and post about it on Instagram.

And then people just buy my shit.

The people buy my shit.

Yeah,

that's

such a hard life.

Shut the fuck up.

With all due respect to everyone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I couldn't be more blessed, honestly, to have this opportunity, honestly.

You got to even fucking be here, man.

Because you won't know until it's gone.

And I experience it being gone.

Right.

Horrible.

Horrible.

I'm glad you actually said this too, because I forgot that I wanted to say this just to all you guys, honestly.

But I wanted to thank all of you guys for...

Just being here and being supportive.

Like, I was here at the Olympia and I had so many amazing of you.

so many of y'all come up to me just to say hi.

Bro, your fans are the best.

And I just want to say that, like,

if I seem low on energy or if I wasn't able to be like as present as possible, I apologize, but I want to just express my, my sincere gratitude because it really means the world to me.

And I really wouldn't be able to do this without you guys.

So, and also all the comments that you guys always post, all the supportive comments you, you post on the podcast, like like fuck yeah, like I'm listening to this while I'm doing my three hours or my two hours of cardio or something, or like I was waiting for this podcast, or you know, any of that shit, man.

That shit always means everything to me.

I double that, yeah, double that.

A lot of the fans that came to see me is because of our podcast.

Oh, it's fucking awesome.

That is fucking awesome because, like, I'm not used to fans here in the Western world, it's always in the Middle East.

And, you know, we were, we were at the, at the meet and greet for the fans, and a lot of people came We're like, yo, you're hilarious.

I'm like, I know you from the Nile podcast.

And I'm like, fucking right.

So I double what he said.

That's awesome, bro.

Yeah.

Makes me glad.

I think we got to wrap it up.

Yeah, we got to wrap it up here.

Let's just do the QA then so some people can actually have their questions answered.

All right.

They're going to be short QA's.

Yeah, we'll run it quick.

Where's my fucking breakfast?

While I look for

4 p.m.

breakfast is crazy.

Why the fuck is this?

Do you have the Wi-Fi?

Yeah, let me sign you in.

Thank you, bro.

All right.

You are in, sir.

Sick.

There you go.

All right.

While I look for the QA, how do you feel like your best peaks were executed?

Oh, one day carb.

One carb day.

For 212, too?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Only one day of carbs and not even too much carbs.

That's cool.

Yeah, not even too much carbs.

My body doesn't react well when I eat too much.

I honestly fuck with that.

We've been doing...

Kyle did a three-day carb with me, and I always felt like it was a little too much, honestly.

Yeah, I did that before.

I did that before.

It was really bad.

Really, really bad.

Is it working?

It's working now.

All right, let's get to it.

Bellic says he is the best.

Oh, that's awesome.

Thanks, man.

Um, S.

Gil asks: Do you have to keep increasing gear to grow if increasing food isn't causing more growth?

Yes.

We'll do short, short answers.

Yeah, if increasing food is making you fat, then you increase the gear.

Yeah.

Or you come off gear and then you restart.

100%.

Clear your receptors.

Yeah.

KST Mario asks: Number one lesson taken away from this year, Olympia.

Also, your opinion on the whole height thing.

Uh, the height thing is uh necessary,

100 necessary fully support it um and uh i don't have a problem with it if you have a problem with something it's like people who are like yo bro they're watching our phones the government's watching our phones well what are you searching for

what are you what are you what are you looking at you know what i mean let like it's like even like let's say i get a hawaii phone my son's like it's an asian thing you're gonna get your information I'm like, all right,

let them see what I'm searching on Amazon for night lamps and, you know,

23 gauge syringes.

Lexi made the whole most hilarious comment yesterday.

She was like, I don't know if I give a fuck if the government knows my cycle dates.

Yeah.

Who cares?

When I get my mental health.

So the same with the height.

Like, if you're worried about the heights, because you're probably doing some shady shit or you're not hiding yourself properly, that's number one.

The second thing,

what I did take from this experience this year is never say never.

I was retired for seven years,

came back to do

one show just for my son to watch, and then placed top five, and then did another one just for fun and jokes for my YouTube.

Ended up winning that and going to the Olympia.

So you just never know.

When you have a proper why, just go for it, and you'll be surprised what life has in store for you.

So that's my, that's what I learned from this, from this year.

That's dope.

Lewis, Lucius asks, future plans post-Olympia.

So either now I'm contemplating on taking a shit on Niles weekend in Florida.

Fuck you.

Or I do Mexico or I just chill, go back home, go back on my sim racing and

just

take some time off and nice offseason, come back next year.

I hope your legs look smaller than mine on stage.

Beth Lehemet the Beast asks, what was the cycle going into the Olympia?

You just already said that.

Oh, yeah, that cycle.

We're still on the dad cycle, guys.

Well, actually, regarding the height thing, I guess they're also wondering how you felt about,

I think, Mike, Mike's height situation.

So

if they didn't do the height thing, my personal opinion, I believe that Mike would have showed up around 210 pounds.

I feel when the height thing started, Mike had to immediately deplete as fast as he can.

Right, he lost like 14 pounds, right?

Lose 14 pounds.

He did lose 14 pounds.

And guys,

I'm not the one saying it.

Go check the comparison pics of Mike from last year to this year.

He has downsized this year.

His legs were smaller.

His legs were smaller from the back.

His chest and his upper body was less full, which made his exaggerated V taper from last year a little less shocking this year.

And I think it was a significant reason

that he lost.

Why Ramon took it?

Yep.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I think that's pretty clear, honestly, from probably everyone, honestly, that you could just...

I mean, he was still fucking detailed, of course.

Yeah, yeah, but for sure.

Last year was like

what the fuck was bigger.

Yeah.

Still crazy fucking physique, though.

Yeah, he was 100%.

Joseba, Joseba, his name is actually Yoseba, so sorry, my baba, bro.

He's a homie.

Okay.

He asked,

what did it mean to you?

What did it mean to you having your dad and brother in the crowd for Olympia?

They come every time I do the Olympia.

It's the second time.

I think it means more that we get to spend time together because we live in different countries than them actually supporting the Olympia.

I just like the fact that we're all here and having a good time together.

Yeah, that's amazing.

That's awesome, bro.

Family is everything.

Yeah.

Sam LHT asks, How do you stay healthy on cycle?

Is there anything else that you do?

I monitor my blood pressure.

I think sugar is more dangerous than steroids.

Hmm.

Sorry.

There's a lot of controversial takes on that.

And I know because I do very regular.

So,

my best friend is a head nurse.

I do blood tests anytime I want.

I don't pay anything.

That's dope.

Yeah.

And I do all kinds.

And my general doctor is like my fucking neighbor.

Arab homie, too.

So I do blood work anytime and I always test.

It's always the food that fucks your blood work.

And I guarantee that.

I mean, obviously, if you're on a bunch of mixed juice and gear, yeah.

But I'm talking that cycle versus food.

Sugar is more dangerous.

Sugar is more dangerous than the dad cycle.

That's how good the dad cycle is.

Cool.

Jaeger Lift asks: How did, oh, well, actually, is there anything with nutrition or cardio or whatever that you feel like you do that really helps with your blood break and your health long term?

Especially being 39.

Yes,

less food.

Less food.

Yeah, less food.

Food's bad for you.

Overindulgence of food is just no, just eating a lot is bad for your mitochondria.

it's bad for your cells, it ages you faster.

Um, less, okay.

So, to summarize this in one thing:

the less insulin, the less you work your pancreas, the better.

Yeah, yep.

That's why I used to do fasting, but unfortunately, it's not a bodybuilding thing.

Yeah, so yeah.

Um, do you do any mitochondrial supports?

Like what, like uh, uh, any of the new mitochondrial supports that are out, like Mozi?

No, no, none.

Jaeger asks: how did prepping this year feel with lower PD protocols?

Great.

Awesome.

Very healthy.

Yeah.

Easy.

I didn't feel that bizarre fatigue.

Right.

I didn't feel those weird aches.

It was

pretty okay.

I felt the same too, bro, with Patrick's lower total dosing protocol.

I just felt normal, honestly, the entire fucking time.

Didn't really have anything.

No mood swings.

People would always be like, whoa, you look so healthy or your skin looks so healthy.

People would just like say that.

And I'd be like, I don't know.

It's just interesting to hear that.

It's like,

did my fucking skin not look healthy before?

G.

Karabatsos asks, cycle for bulking and cutting.

Really appreciated your honesty.

5 to 750 milligrams of test

with 500 EQ.

Don't forget your AIs, guys.

Anti-estrogens.

What about cutting?

500 milligrams of test

and maybe 50 milligrams of ANIVR a day.

Check your SHBG too.

If it's high, you need provirin.

If it's low, you don't need anything.

How long do you take?

How long are your health phases?

Health phases?

Yeah.

I don't need one.

I just showed you my blood work.

Yeah, I know, but do you ever take just time off?

Yeah, for my joints.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

I'm...

Usually when I stop my season, I stop training.

I just do cardio.

You know what's crazy?

I think that's more effective recently.

After talking to Jordan Hutchinson and Chris Tuttle, do you know why?

Because when you fucking train while you eat a lot,

your body retains a fuck ton of water from the rebound.

If you don't train, you will not get that rebound.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, because when after my last shows in Alabama, I only trained legs.

I didn't train upper body.

My legs were balloons.

They were fucked.

I couldn't walk.

And they were in constant pain from holding water.

But my upper body, my neck, my chest, my shoulders, for the first time ever, zero water retention.

Why?

Because I didn't train them.

Gotcha.

So now, moving forward after the Olympia, if I don't do a show, I'm not going to train for about a week to two weeks.

Just do my cardio

until my body gets into equilibrium with the water, and then I'll start training again.

Got it.

So that's my health phase.

Infit asks no questions, just want to tell him that what a comeback.

Great physique.

Thank you guys.

That

means a lot.

Chan Smith asks, hardest thing about coaching yourself.

The last-minute decisions.

Yeah, shit, tough, bro.

The last minute to do I do I take the die aside or not.

That's it.

That's it.

It's do I take the diazoad or not?

Do I take the last extra two meals of carbs or not?

Right.

It all comes down to that.

You did end up coaching yourself for this Olympia, too, right?

I did, yeah.

Yeah.

Mobro asks, Mobra, Mobra asks, how does it feel being an absolute Giga Chad?

And advice for being a father?

GigaChad.

So

we'll close on this question.

The whole parenting thing is a paradox.

I am usually the type to support the no kids life,

actually.

Like I encourage people that don't want to have kids

to stay like that.

Okay.

Don't have kids in today's world.

It's extremely difficult.

And the chances of raising good children is not high.

It's very low.

And it's one of those things where that's kind of luck is involved.

Now, is it worth it?

It's not worth it if your child's a piece of shit or if your child's very difficult.

It's not worth it.

If your child is a good kid, he's a good boy, then yeah, you get to experience.

what I experienced of him, you know, coming to my show, watching that.

Yeah.

And like my son's into 3d printing you know that's yeah and and i oh i'm i'm the scary dad i'm the type that sneaks up at 1 a.m and opens the door very quickly to see if he's on his phone or not

that's fucked like yo what are you doing you know

and and and then sometimes i'd see movement and i'd be like gotcha give me your phone

crazy yeah He's like, dad, I was just on TikTok.

I'm like, show me your phone, open your text and show me your history.

Oh, shit.

Show me your history.

Show me your history.

Oh, fuck.

So he's a good kid.

He's also, he's a boxer.

So, so it's like now I'm excited to go after the Olympia, attend his boxing classes.

So

it's worth it if your child is great.

Yeah.

But the expenses and

the luck of the draw of him being a good kid, I would say enjoy life.

You don't need to have kids.

Gotcha.

Cool.

My breakfast is here.

Your breakfast is here.

Yeah, so we're going to close it.

4:20 p.m.

That's my breakfast time.

There is this one guy, though, that I feel like this would be very valuable for him and maybe other young

young guys if it's cool.

Give it Omar.

Omar Solomon asks advice for a poor man trying to beat Mr.

Olympia one day, living alone at 20.

You got to live like a monk.

You have to isolate yourself.

Use every second you have to reading books because you have to develop your business skills to finance your journey.

You will not have sponsors.

God isn't coming to save you.

Your parents and your friends are not coming to save you.

If you're lucky, you can meet a girl who's going to be there for you.

Again, that's luck of the draw.

You're lucky.

If you're lucky.

But yeah, you would have to dedicate your life living as a monk.

Half your time is spent reading and gaining knowledge and building your Instagram because that's super important.

And I'm sure you know that social media is, is,

is it to finance yourself.

And then the other half is you will have to take a lot of drugs.

You will have to put your health at risk.

And you will have to have that mindset that you don't care whatever happens.

I had that mindset in 2012 when I was poor and I had two kids going into the Canadian Nationals.

I didn't care if I was going to die from my cycle.

And I was juicing like crazy because I knew if I didn't win nationals for my first time, then my name wouldn't be out there and I wouldn't have built a social media.

It was a life or death situation for me.

I did not care if I got sick.

There were nights where I had weird health issues where I'd wake up and the pillow would be filled with blood from my nose.

I did not know what that was.

I didn't care what that was.

And I literally said, you know what?

If God's going to kill me, then so be it.

Because there's either two outcomes.

Either I'm going to be dead or I'm fucking winning nationals.

There is no other options.

You need to have that mindset if your goal is to be fucking Mr.

Olympia.

Yeah,

but get your bloods done.

Thank God.

Thick.

All right.

All right, guys.

Love you, bro.

This was awesome.

Thanks for coming on, bro.

Awesome.

Where can everybody find you?

Anything you want to say?

Please, guys, follow my Instagram.

Even though

there are a million people on there, but I'm struggling to build a Western audience.

So I would greatly appreciate if you just follow my Instagram, it's the Dura, and my English channel on YouTube, the Dura as well.

That's all.

You don't have to buy any of my shit, just go follow and subscribe.

Sick, my man.

Love you guys.

I appreciate you guys so much.

Raise the five stars on Apple Podcasts, Spotify.

And I'll see you guys next time again.

So, thanks for being here.

Means everything.

Peace.

That was sick.

That was so good.