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Speaker 12 At every level of the criminal justice system, there's been a cover-up in this case.

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Speaker 14 We need it off that fucking island.

Speaker 13 The truck had been sitting in Gnome for years.

Speaker 16 I have someone holding the vehicle for us now.

Speaker 12 In Gnome.

Speaker 13 Why is this so hard? No impound, no investigation. Not treated like evidence.

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Speaker 1 No, I believe they cut off was a couple days ago, actually.

Speaker 21 Let me put out an email. You know, I'd almost say they're going to tell me we're way too late in the season for this.
They stop doing that when the winter comes.

Speaker 1 You know what? What's your first name?

Speaker 16 The final destination of this truck is Tacoma, Washington.

Speaker 17 Please take a picture before you leave it.

Speaker 18 Hello, it's Pracy.

Speaker 15 Hey, it's Payne.

Speaker 24 Uh, can you do me a huge, huge favor?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 14 Can you right now go get the truck so it can make the last shipment out before winter?

Speaker 20 I think so.

Speaker 20 Where's the key?

Speaker 16 The keys are in the truck.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 14 At this address, I'm texting it to you now.

Speaker 20 I can go get it.

Speaker 17 Is it possible for you to drive the vehicle to the port within the next hour?

Speaker 16 It's the cutoff.

Speaker 16 Dylan, did you already pay and run the card?

Speaker 18 Cutting it close.

Speaker 23 LOL.

Speaker 14 It won't be fucking LOL if that truck doesn't get on that ship.

Speaker 13 I'm gonna put you on with Dylan.

Speaker 12 God send it.

Speaker 13 If Joseph was murdered, this truck might be the last real thing that connects us to that moment.

Speaker 14 It's on its way to Anchorage.

Speaker 13 We managed to pull it out, literally an hour before winter.

Speaker 13 After that, the port was shut down, and we had it shipped first to Anchorage.

Speaker 13 This process wasn't easy.

Speaker 13 This truck, it might hold everything. Not a theory, not hearsay, something real, something physical.

Speaker 13 It sat through Alaska's harshest seasons, but if it still held something, even just a strand of hair, a drop of blood, that could break this case wide open. So we're not just looking, we're listening.

Speaker 13 Because if Joseph's truck could talk, it might finally be ready to say something.

Speaker 25 I do not think at all that Joseph's death was an accident.

Speaker 25 No, that he was murdered.

Speaker 25 Why did they not look into everything?

Speaker 25 There was a very extensive search where his truck was, to me, planted,

Speaker 25 but nothing else was looked into.

Speaker 25 It sounds terrible.

Speaker 25 Sometimes I feel like

Speaker 25 law enforcement knows what happened.

Speaker 12 Law enforcement has the ability to seize vehicles and process them for fingerprints. That was not done.
They basically just didn't explore any of that.

Speaker 12 I think they became wedded to the theory that he was a victim of an accident.

Speaker 11 We've been taught at search and rescues that the last person is going to be seen within about a mile or half a mile of his truck.

Speaker 12 And we covered all that area.

Speaker 19 Big time.

Speaker 12 You towed it, correct?

Speaker 11 I towed it, yes. Yes.
Did you notice anything suspicious about the truck? There was flowers on the windshield. There was no evidence of foul play or anything like that.

Speaker 12 I mean, we have a situation where all of this, you know, all of this work that I've done is basically work that should have been done by the troopers.

Speaker 12 But you're in a situation where, for whatever reason, the troopers decided not to investigate this and to basically just close it out.

Speaker 12 And now they're in a pretty defensive posture about the whole case.

Speaker 24 Did those troopers, the ABI guys when they came out, they were supposed to take the truck and process it.

Speaker 11 Do you know if we have any results for that or if they did that?

Speaker 1 They didn't do that.

Speaker 12 They did not do that. A lot of people have commented that it was kind of a problem that the truck was left out there and so many people went through it.

Speaker 12 It wasn't towed in and put in secure impound until just before the ABI guys got out there.

Speaker 12 The local troopers knew that that was something they should have done, and so they did it at the last second so that when the ABI guys got out there, they would have the vehicle in the secure impound at the police department there to look at it.

Speaker 12 They didn't process the vehicle forensically for anything.

Speaker 13 I called Andy because he gets it. He's someone who's never stopped asking the right questions.
And he's followed this case for years, seeing the same red flags that I did.

Speaker 15 Andy, been a minute.

Speaker 1 Yeah, how you doing?

Speaker 15 I'm good, man. How about yourself?

Speaker 1 All right, doing good.

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Speaker 1 How many people listen to this show of yours? People at Nome appear to be all riled up.

Speaker 13 Asked him point blank, is there any shot at finding anything inside this truck?

Speaker 1 I think that the only possibility would be blood migrated into places where it still exists, you know, down into cracks and crevices.

Speaker 1 Or if there was blood on the seat that had dried.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there's carpet in the vehicle, but the same situation, you can get blood on there that dries and lasts kind of forever.

Speaker 1 It would be an exercise in spraying the truck with a chemical to see if it reacts with blood.

Speaker 1 And if it does, making an effort to swab areas and recover any dried blood and then having it tested.

Speaker 13 He put us in touch with a forensic expert just outside of Seattle, someone with decades of experience. the kind of guy who knows how to pull evidence from the impossible.

Speaker 13 His name is Matt Nodell, and he spent decades solving murders.

Speaker 13 The team and I hopped on a Zoom call.

Speaker 29 I know how difficult this kind of assessment is with an old truck and going through it. the way that it would need to be examined.

Speaker 29 There's a couple of things to think about in how we we would do that processing.

Speaker 13 He started breaking it down. Phenophalline tests, luminol sprays, how to test a stain without destroying it.
He wasn't guessing, he was detailing.

Speaker 29 My first step is always just bright light, searching for anything that's a stain.

Speaker 29 Bright light, and if you see something, then I would do a spot test of that. to see if it tests positive for any blood.

Speaker 29 Depending on how big or small the stain is, you might want to just save that spot test to send it forward to a DNA lab to identify, is it human, non-human?

Speaker 29 Then the next level would be something like luminol, which is a spray reagent that can react with blood.

Speaker 29 If we use luminol, it needs to be done in the dark so that you can look for the luminescence if there is a reaction with blood.

Speaker 13 Within minutes of our Zoom call, I realized this wasn't just a maybe.

Speaker 13 This was a plan. Methodical, clinical, the kind of precision that holds up in court.

Speaker 29 It's pretty powerful stuff detecting dilute amounts of blood. So blood was once dropped in a place, has been weathered, but there's maybe just a little perimeter of it.

Speaker 29 Luminol might suggest it's there. I would document it, take a bunch of photos and document this.
I would approach it as if it was something I was doing for court.

Speaker 29 like a homicide scene, so that if we find something, it's traceable. It's done forensically so that you could have further testing done.

Speaker 29 I have a garage essentially that serves as my lab. We could park it in the garage and do this at my office.

Speaker 13 And just like that, he offered to test the truck in his own forensic lab.

Speaker 29 Read the investigators' reports. They've interviewed quite a few people.
So I know it was by this exit 44, milepost 44, outdoors for a number of days there.

Speaker 29 I'd like to see the photos from Alaska State Police or whoever sees this to get their reports and their notes. Did they process it? Did they bring the local crime lab in?

Speaker 13 Being real, it was a long shot. Years had passed, almost a decade.
Dozens upon dozens of people have been inside that truck.

Speaker 13 But we are all in.

Speaker 29 If we were to find something that popped positive for blood, unless it was a big patch, If there was a lot of it, then it's not such a big issue.

Speaker 29 But if it's small spots, oh it's batter that went under the steering wheel, as there's some kind of a struggle. If we detect it, might even take that piece of the vehicle off and preserve it.

Speaker 29 That we'd have the maximum amount of DNA potential transfer on that to do further testing.

Speaker 13 If there was blood, he'd sure as help find it. If there was a hair, he'd process it.

Speaker 29 That's kind of what the strategy would entail. So then the logistics become: where would this be done? Where's the car now?

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Speaker 13 After landing in Seattle, we drove about an hour and a half outside of town and pulled up to a cold steel garage.

Speaker 13 Hey man, I'm paying.

Speaker 21 How you doing?

Speaker 13 It looked nothing like a lab, but it had everything. Swab kits, luminol, evidence bags, and parked right there in the center was Joseph's truck.

Speaker 24 Before I even begin, what can I find forensically that might be useful?

Speaker 24 One is blood.

Speaker 13 We started with a bright light inspection.

Speaker 24 Once blood dries, if it's protected, it will just remain there.

Speaker 13 Scanning every panel, every floor map.

Speaker 24 I go into this process thinking, okay, these are the things that I can look for.

Speaker 24 I'm not interested in rust.

Speaker 13 Every inch of the entire cab.

Speaker 24 This is when you stop and then you can document this.

Speaker 24 We see that part of the plastic housing has been broken away.

Speaker 24 I can see some brown discolorations on the dashboard.

Speaker 24 I have a test for blood called the phenothaline test. When I come across something like what's on this dashboard, it could be blood.

Speaker 24 Blood dries, it tends to concentrate on the perimeter. The middle evacuates and kind of goes to the perimeter.
So sometimes on a faint drop like this, you'll get a heavier edge.

Speaker 24 It's called a phenophiline test.

Speaker 13 And so what is it actually testing that?

Speaker 24 Tests for the heme and hemoglobin. And that tells you it's blood.
Yes.

Speaker 24 It will tell you it's blood. It does not tell you if it's human blood.

Speaker 13 I leaned in and spotted something, a dull brown smear, just above the door frame.

Speaker 24 The reason we would only test half of that stain is because then we would have an untested, undiluted other half to preserve and then send that to a DNA lab.

Speaker 24 You can save this swab. We could test that and if it reacts we could save this swab and they may be able to get enough cells.

Speaker 24 DNA techniques have become so strong.

Speaker 24 So this is just water.

Speaker 24 It helps dissolve the stain that's on there.

Speaker 24 We definitely want to get the stain off of the door and onto this swab.

Speaker 24 It's deionized deionized water, so it's just pure water, and that will help remove what's on the door.

Speaker 24 We're going to physically find that,

Speaker 24 and I'll just go to the to the bottom of this, just rubbing that a little bit like that.

Speaker 24 So I don't see much transfer there. I'm going to rub a little harder.

Speaker 24 So you can see I've got some a little bit of discoloration on the part that I really pushed onto the swab. Okay.

Speaker 1 Alright, so now

Speaker 24 this is the phenophiline reagent.

Speaker 24 And I'll add a drop of that reagent,

Speaker 24 like that.

Speaker 24 And then the last step,

Speaker 24 this is hydrogen peroxide. And I'll add a drop of that.

Speaker 13 Could have been rust. Could have been food.
Could have been blood.

Speaker 24 If that would have been blood, that would have turned bright pink in the first couple of seconds. Really? And I'm going to leave that there and I'll try to run a known blood.

Speaker 13 We swabbed it. Ran the test.

Speaker 24 The phenothaline binds with the iron and the heme and hemoglobin that's in a component of blood.

Speaker 24 All right, so now I can see I've picked up something, a little bit of discoloration on the end of the swab. Yeah.
Same sequence of chemicals.

Speaker 24 I actually dropped there. I kind of missed.
Phenothalane, and then pushes the reaction to go. This is the hydrogen peroxide.

Speaker 13 And then we waited.

Speaker 24 Put a drop of that on there. Oh, yeah, there it goes.
And here we come with the, and it's kind of cold in this. That was instant.

Speaker 13 Nothing.

Speaker 24 The reading comes seconds. The test requires that you read it in the first couple of seconds of applying those chemicals.

Speaker 13 One test after another, we were getting nothing. No reaction at all.

Speaker 24 Ultimately, even this negative one from the inside of the door will suck up enough oxygen in the air to push that to turn pink. This is known blood, only a half a year old.

Speaker 24 So you see the type of positive reaction that we would be looking for.

Speaker 24 Now, the test is sensitive to the cold. So you can get a false negative if it's too cold.

Speaker 24 It's pretty cold in here, so that was a little slow. But here, because it's a little colder, it took a couple seconds.
But the idea is read it in seconds, not minutes.

Speaker 13 Did we come all this way just to walk out with empty evidence bags?

Speaker 13 So I've only seen Dexter and Forensic Files.

Speaker 27 Everyone's seen the Luminol Blue Light.

Speaker 24 Yeah, it's luminescence. So it's kind of like lightning bugs.
How lightning bugs light up in darkened environment. They're using a similar kind of thing.

Speaker 24 So I put a little bit of diluted blood on here. I'm just going to lay this down here.
So I'll have to turn out the lights.

Speaker 13 Was this it? Was this truck really clean?

Speaker 18 Maybe.

Speaker 24 This version is a couple of chemical tablets that you drop into water.

Speaker 24 It has a proper pH in these tablets that you just mix with water.

Speaker 24 I test this little part right there and it's blood but I also see some faint stuff over here as well.

Speaker 24 And so yeah so I might want to know is this all one part of a pattern? Did someone try to clean this up? Was there fabric here that was impressed and then removed?

Speaker 24 Anything I can document without dilution is advantageous to me.

Speaker 24 I'll give you a second to get your eyes ready. Okay.
Because when we get dark here, so I'm going to spray this whole area here.

Speaker 24 All right, everybody ready? We're ready.

Speaker 24 All right, so you can see. Yeah.

Speaker 24 So it's blue. So it's blue.
Blue star, that's luminescence. That'll glow for about maybe 30 or 40 seconds.

Speaker 13 Matt killed the lights. And he sprayed Blue Star, a commercial luminol variant, across the interior.
He hit the seat base, under the dash, the floorboard. This truck wasn't empty.

Speaker 13 It was full of trace evidence. The question was, does it mean anything?

Speaker 24 How long do you look for something that might not be there?

Speaker 24 How many swabs are you going to do in this car?

Speaker 24 You have to have a reason to do everything that you do.

Speaker 24 It becomes a finite test of how long do you look for something that might not be there.

Speaker 13 How long do you keep looking for something that might not even be there?

Speaker 24 Yikes. You know, we could do 2,000 swabs on the interior of this car.
I'm sure there are 2,000 stains. Right.

Speaker 24 When you look at the microscopic level and you're looking for one or two millimeter size stains.

Speaker 13 If we're going to find anything, it's not going to fall in our lap here.

Speaker 24 The problem here is, let's say that DNA turns out to be the missing person.

Speaker 24 Well, what if he had a hangnail that he had a little blood on it and he touched the side of his own seat?

Speaker 24 now if it's somebody else's that's more probative

Speaker 13 regardless of what this meant we weren't finding nothing anymore these were human traces of multiple people who've been inside of Joseph's truck obviously it's not a crime to be in this vehicle but if you're someone who's a person of interest who's claimed multiple times you've never been in this vehicle we might have a problem.

Speaker 24 Reminded me of a story from a long time ago when I was working for the state. It was a vehicle alleged to have been involved with a hit and run.

Speaker 24 We took a similar process of this car, we documented all the way around the outside. We're finding nothing.

Speaker 24 Finally, at the end, we get to the bottom of the car, and there's a little tuft of hairs. We have to pull the hair, and attached to the end of this hair was a piece of scalp.

Speaker 24 A DNA profile was developed of an unknown male.

Speaker 24 That was solved because of invisible DNA.

Speaker 24 Ultimately broke the entire case open.

Speaker 24 This is kind of a long hair. I would guess that's human.
This long one here that's tangled into this.

Speaker 13 Then I found a key in a half-wrapped candy near the cup holder. We bagged it all.

Speaker 24 What you're really hoping for is that one or more of these would actually have some surviving root portion, portion of a root that might have some lingering DNA.

Speaker 30 So we kept going.

Speaker 24 That's going to be much more useful for identifying a particular individual from a hair, just looking at the microscopic features.

Speaker 13 More hair.

Speaker 24 Take this, dump it out into a clean, sterile environment, and begin sorting these, sorting them out by characteristics.

Speaker 13 And more hair. In this case, there are individuals who have stated on record that they've never been inside this vehicle.
Let's say that one of these hairs is theirs.

Speaker 24 Yeah, if you can get to that level of discrimination, you're connecting somebody who says, I was never there, well, your DNA is there.

Speaker 24 Those are the kinds of things that you would hope to develop in this situation.

Speaker 24 A wrapper like that could have some piece of physical evidence. It could have a partial thumbprint that's been preserved.
Something like this key. What does that go to? Does it have any meaning?

Speaker 24 How does it fit in?

Speaker 24 Any one of these things might have some piece of information on it that then breaks something open.

Speaker 24 If you see that small little brownish-looking deposit there,

Speaker 24 that's worth the test.

Speaker 24 This one has the right look. It's got texture, it's got a perimeter, it looks like it might have flowed from above to below and then accumulated there.
Yep.

Speaker 24 Preserve this, put it in an envelope, appropriately packaged.

Speaker 24 If it is blood, I've saved half of that, and then we save the rest of that on a swab, send it to a DNA laboratory, and have that analyzed.

Speaker 13 By the end of the day, we had a full box of sealed labeled evidence. And for the first time since Joseph disappeared, his truck was treated like evidence.

Speaker 13 We don't know what the lab will say, but we do know what we saw. And what we found today could potentially change everything.

Speaker 13 Because if that hair matches someone, if the blood is Joseph's, then this isn't just a story anymore. This is a case.

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