The Tara Grinstead Case - Episode 1 (Revisited)

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Speaker 9 10 years ago today marked the last time anybody Clinton State were talking to Tara Grinstead.

Speaker 2 Officially, police are calling this a missing person to be able to do it.

Speaker 9 Where is Tara Grinstead?

Speaker 12 From Tinderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is up and vanished.

Speaker 13 It's weird listening back to this. I was just some guy in his apartment, sitting in front of a microphone I just bought at Best Buy, thinking, yeah, I'll just go solve a murder mystery real quick.

Speaker 13 Like, no big deal.

Speaker 13 I had no journalism background, no investigative training, just a Google search bar, a fascination with the podcast serial, and, well, a lot of misplaced confidence.

Speaker 13 I said from Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta. What I really meant was from my apartment in Kennesaw, where I was living with my younger brother at the time.
Saying from Tenderfoot TV felt more official.

Speaker 13 like I was some organization or a team. But at that time, it was just me.

Speaker 13 I came up with the name Tinderfoot because it's the lowest rank in Boy Scouts. My dad was an Eagle Scout.
He made me join Boy Scouts in middle school, and I didn't like it.

Speaker 13 And the furthest I got was Tinderfoot. But hey, they don't hand that badge out.
You still have to earn it.

Speaker 13 Crazy to think that all these years later, saying Tinderfoot TV means something completely different.

Speaker 12 Like a lot of people, I had been pretty obsessed with the podcast Serial and the Netflix series Making a Murderer.

Speaker 6 And I thought to myself, what if I made one of those?

Speaker 8 So I literally just went to Google and started searching.

Speaker 13 There it is. That's me.
Fully committing to this. Like I had a single clue what I was about to uncover.

Speaker 7 Spoiler alert, I didn't.

Speaker 13 But somehow, that might have been my greatest advantage.

Speaker 13 God, this part still cracks me up.

Speaker 13 It either makes you think this guy's absolutely ridiculous, or wow, how cool. An average Joe can go make a true crime podcast.

Speaker 13 But it's what I did. I literally went to Google and started searching.
Mind you, I did this for weeks. Like I was some detective on the case.

Speaker 13 Meanwhile, my only real investigative tool was Web Sluice and a weird gut feeling.

Speaker 13 And so I made this post on the website WebSluce that said, hey guys, I'm a filmmaker from Atlanta, thinking about doing a documentary. Anyone have any theories? Real professional, right?

Speaker 13 And then boom, I got a voicemail out of nowhere from this guy named Maurice Godwin, a real investigator.

Speaker 14 Payne, this is Dr. Maurice Godwin.
I saw your post about the Tara Grimstead case on Web Sluice.

Speaker 14 I worked this case

Speaker 14 from March of 06

Speaker 14 to over past 09,

Speaker 14 2009

Speaker 14 for her family. And

Speaker 14 probably other than the GBI, there's no one who knows no more about the Tara Granstead case than myself.

Speaker 14 So, you know, if you want to give me a call, I can give you a rundown, the straight-up truth about what's happening or and everything about the case. I'm in North Carolina, so I'm on East Coast time.

Speaker 14 Okay, you take care. Bye-bye.

Speaker 13 I'm not going to lie. When I first heard his voicemail, my stomach dropped.
I actually thought it was the police, and I was somehow in trouble for trying to investigate this case.

Speaker 13 Turns out he was a private investigator, an actual expert who had worked this case for years.

Speaker 13 And suddenly, I had my first lead.

Speaker 14 Hey, this is Payne Lindsay. You called me yesterday? Yes, Payne.
I saw your post on Web Sluice. I've been working the Terra Grinstead case since March of 06.

Speaker 9 The largest case file in Georgia history. It's the Terra Grinstead case.

Speaker 13 Maurice tells me I should go to Osilla, but he gives me a weird little warning.

Speaker 9 If you go to Osilla and never have a thing like that, take somebody else with you now.

Speaker 13 Take somebody with you.

Speaker 14 It's a weird place.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 At the time, I kind of brushed it off. Now, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 13 There were things in that town people did not want me looking into.

Speaker 13 And trust me, I tried to get my younger brother to go with me. He thought I was nuts.
And so my first trip to Osilla was by myself.

Speaker 15 We're sorry. You have reached a number that is no longer in service.

Speaker 15 Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice.

Speaker 15 The number you dialed is not a working number.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 8 I had a pretty rough start.

Speaker 12 I was literally getting every type of non-working number message in existence. And when I finally reached some people, it went like this.
My name is Payne Lindsay.

Speaker 12 I wanted to talk to you about the Tarek Rinstead case.

Speaker 5 The Terric Rinstead case.

Speaker 8 A podcast documentary zone.

Speaker 11 Sorry to bother you.

Speaker 12 Not a single person would talk to me. It was beginning to seem impossible.
Everyone surrounding this case had their guard up.

Speaker 13 Okay, pause. This moment? This was the first time I realized it wasn't just a cool podcast project.
This was real.

Speaker 13 I had no idea that this case, this small town mystery, was about to take over my entire life.

Speaker 12 The small town in South Georgia had become this impenetrable community that just refused to rehash the old wounds.

Speaker 13 Or just plain. Osila had become this impenetrable community that refused to rehash old wounds.
Impenetrable community. Wow, listen to me.

Speaker 13 This is where I was still in documentary mode, thinking people were just hesitant to talk. What I didn't realize yet was that some people weren't just hesitant.
They were scared.

Speaker 13 And then there was a phone call. You know the one.
The moment someone called me back after I reached out to a friend of Tara's.

Speaker 13 I couldn't record it at the time, but I'll never forget what the voice on the other end said.

Speaker 12 Why are you asking about Tara Grinstead? It was almost like he was investigating me now. I told him about the podcast and the documentary, and his tone changed a bit.

Speaker 8 Then he said, Why did you call Susan?

Speaker 12 I didn't really have an answer for him.

Speaker 8 Then he said, Do not call her again.

Speaker 12 Click.

Speaker 13 That? That was my first real taste of something isn't right here.

Speaker 13 That wasn't just someone looking out for a friend. That was someone trying to make sure I stopped looking.

Speaker 1 Here she is, ladies and gentlemen. I call her Your Royal Highness because I think it is a very nice bunny.
Tara Grimstead, how are you doing? I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 Miss Tifton, get ready to go over to Columbus and represent Tifton over there. Are you excited?

Speaker 17 Oh, yes, very excited.

Speaker 1 Well, you are well into your career career already, too.

Speaker 1 What kind of work do you do?

Speaker 17 I'm an 11th grade history teacher at Irwin County High School, and I also have a cheerleading squad of juniversity cheerleaders, 9th and 10th graders.

Speaker 17 I just completed my first year teaching, and I loved every bit of it.

Speaker 12 That's a local news interview from 1999, when Tara won the beauty pageant for Miss Tifton, the biggest city near Osilla, and she was moving on to compete for Miss Georgia.

Speaker 12 She seemed to have everything going for her. She was popular among her students.
All the teachers loved her. But in October of 2005, she would disappear without a trace and never be seen again.

Speaker 19 Who would want to hurt Tara?

Speaker 12 Let's recap the night of October 22nd, when Tara just completely vanished. I'll have my friend Rob describe the scene.

Speaker 16 Saturday, October 22nd, 2005. Tara went to a beauty pageant during the day.
And then she attended a friend's barbecue later that night, just a couple blocks away from her home.

Speaker 16 She arrived around 8 p.m. and stayed for a few hours.
Friends at the party said she was acting normal, nothing out of the ordinary.

Speaker 16 Around 11 p.m., Tara told a friend at the party she was going home to watch the videotape from the pageant that day. She said her goodbyes and drove off.

Speaker 16 She was never seen again. Monday came and Tara didn't show up for work.

Speaker 16 When the bell rang for class to start and Tara wasn't there, students informed the faculty and they called the local police department.

Speaker 16 The chief of Osilla Police, Bill Hancock, was the first to arrive on the scene. Her car was parked in her driveway and the front door was locked.

Speaker 16 As he approached her front door, Hancock discovered a blue latex glove just feet from her doorstep. Even more puzzling, he found a business card wedged in the front door.

Speaker 16 The neighbors, an elderly couple, had a spare key to Tara's house. They were really close to Tara and they kept watch on her house at night.
They had a little system going.

Speaker 16 Every night when Tara came home, she turned on the lamp by the window in her room facing their house. That night, Tara's lamp was never turned on.

Speaker 16 Hancock used the neighbor's key to gain entry to Tara's home. The house was in near perfect condition.
But there were a few subtle things that seemed a little off.

Speaker 16 The lampshade on her bed was knocked askew, tilted in an odd position, as if maybe it had been knocked over.

Speaker 16 The clock, normally on her nightstand, was found on the floor by her bed. Her cell phone was found sitting in its charger on the nightstand.

Speaker 16 Hancock quickly realized the severity of this case. He made a call to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation for backup.
And official investigation was underway.

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Speaker 9 Come on in, man. How are you doing, man?

Speaker 11 Come on in. All right.
Come on in.

Speaker 12 I decided to visit the private investigator in person. I told him I wanted to ask him some preliminary questions about the case for my documentary.
Okay. And he was more than happy to help.

Speaker 12 He lives in a small town in North Carolina, and I drove up from Atlanta one afternoon.

Speaker 22 Are these all notes about the Terra case?

Speaker 12 Yeah. He had this thick notebook.
It was filled with hundreds of notes, thoughts, names, all related to the Tara Grinstead case. He started thumbing through it, reminiscing about the case.

Speaker 12 Maurice is an older man, gray hair, glasses. You get the sense that this case and many others like it have taken a toll on him.
And even he'll tell you it's exhausting.

Speaker 12 To Maurice, this is not a hobby. It's always ever known.

Speaker 9 And then in the back here are some updates and stuff. I was contacted in the end of January of 06 by Tara's sister Anita.
I couldn't take it at that time and I actually didn't take the case.

Speaker 9 Then she contacted me again and I took the case about the end of February and I went down in March and then I worked on the case. I spent two whole days in the house.
We searched a lot of places.

Speaker 9 There was nothing ever come of anything.

Speaker 9 And this case is cold as Alaska.

Speaker 12 So Tara's sister Anita hired Maurice to help with the investigation. And he wasn't involved until March of 2006, almost five whole months after she went missing.

Speaker 9 So one of the things that I did when I was there is I talked to some of the local. A lot of people clammed up and wouldn't talk.
I feel like most people will clam up and don't talk in this case.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. And still today.
It appeared that to GBI and some others that were there, it didn't appear to be a struggle. So they said there was no struggle.
Well, GBI admitted that. What do you think?

Speaker 9 Well, this is what I found. See, she had the old-timey wooden floors with the gaps in between them.
So I got on my knees and stuff and crawled around. I found a clasp from a necklace.

Speaker 12 A lesser-known fact in this case that I actually learned through Maurice is a broken necklace that was found by police inside her home.

Speaker 12 The beads were scattered about on the floor, and they bagged it up as evidence.

Speaker 12 But it was still unclear to police if the necklace was broken on accident or if it meant that there was a struggle inside the home.

Speaker 12 Almost five months later, when Maurice went to visit Tara's house, he found a clasp on the floor that looked like a match.

Speaker 9 And you can see on the clasp it had been pulled apart.

Speaker 22 So based on what you know about the necklace and that clasp, in your opinion, did that necklace come off in a struggle?

Speaker 9 That clasp was pulled apart by force. You can take that for what it's worth.

Speaker 9 Then I found some pieces of broken plastic of the headboard in the master bedroom. The bedpost was split in two and broken and was found lying under the middle of the bed.

Speaker 9 You have to get up, you have to get on there and find it. Then I also found a box with dust on it underneath the bed.
So that was never retrieved by the GBI.

Speaker 9 Then one thing that I noticed is she had a rug beside the bed. I moved, I pulled that rug up.
and the rubber came off on the back of it. So the rug had never been lifted.

Speaker 22 So in your opinion, did the GBI do a good job investigating?

Speaker 11 Absolutely not.

Speaker 12 On a scale of one to ten, what would you rate the GBI's performance?

Speaker 9 Probably three.

Speaker 9 Three out of ten. Three out of ten.

Speaker 12 Five months later, he finds a whole slew of evidence inside Tara's house that the GBI completely missed. You could sense his frustration still today.

Speaker 12 But what did any of it mean? I asked him to recap that Saturday Tara went missing. I wanted to know his account.

Speaker 9 So walk me through the day.

Speaker 9 My understanding is that during the daytime she had girls at her house and stuff helping girls with the patches and the makeup, the hair, preparing for the sweet potato pageant in Fitzgerald that afternoon.

Speaker 9 I think the pageant started about three o'clock is what I was told. So then she went to the pageant, stayed at the pageant, and then she left the pageant around 7.25 to 7.30.

Speaker 9 One of her Paget girls, named Dana Wilder, walked with Tara to Tara's car and she said that she had to go to her superintendent's barbecue.

Speaker 9 So she left the Paget in Fitzgerald and drove back to the Silla. I was told that her landlord,

Speaker 9 the son of her landlord, Rhett Roberts, I was told that she talked to Rhett out at the curb of the road about probably quarter to eight then.

Speaker 12 Again, another lesser-known fact about this case that you can't find anywhere in news articles.

Speaker 12 Between leaving the pageant and going to the barbecue that night, Tara made a brief stop at a friend's house, a man named Rhett Roberts, who was actually her landlord's son, and they talked briefly at the curb of the road.

Speaker 9 And then she proceeded on to the barbecue and arrived about 8 o'clock. And then at 11 o'clock, she left the barbecue

Speaker 9 on the notion that she had to go back and watch a video.

Speaker 22 What video is that?

Speaker 9 That would be no video. Because so far there's never been one that existed that we know of.

Speaker 12 Remember Tara told her friends at the barbecue that night and she was going home to watch the tape from the pageant that day? The police could never find it.

Speaker 12 And as far as they knew, no video ever even existed.

Speaker 9 There's two types of crime scenes: there's a primary crime scene, that's where the most actions occur between the victim and the attacker.

Speaker 9 And then there's a secondary crime scene, say where a car was left. The problem with this case is you don't have any secondary crime scene, and you don't have any really primary crime scene.

Speaker 22 You don't even know for sure if the house is a crime scene.

Speaker 10 That's right.

Speaker 9 The answer lies in the GBI case files in Prairie, Georgia.

Speaker 9 The answer to this case lies there.

Speaker 22 Why can't they solve it?

Speaker 22 I don't know.

Speaker 13 Listening back to this now, I can hear how naive I was. But I also hear something else too.
My curiosity. Despite my lack of experience, I was determined to find answers.

Speaker 13 Even if I didn't know what I was stepping into.

Speaker 13 Because back then, Terra Grinstead was still a name on a missing persons report, a decade-long investigation that led nowhere. But soon, she became someone I thought about every single day.

Speaker 13 In her case, her story was all about to crack wide open.

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Speaker 12 On my drive back to Atlanta, I played our interview on repeat, analyzing every detail. And when I got home, I caught my first lucky break.
Someone was finally willing to talk to me.

Speaker 12 Hey, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing?

Speaker 25 I'm good. Well, I had a little problem with my back, but thank the Lord it's getting better.

Speaker 12 Awesome. Are you still walking every day?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I got to take something up here.

Speaker 12 That's my grandma.

Speaker 12 But she's lived in Tifton, which is only a half hour from Osilla, for nearly half her life. Maybe she knew something.

Speaker 25 So I'm looking forward to seeing y'all. We're going to bring pound cake and some cowboy cookies.

Speaker 12 Yes, I need some more cowboy cookies, ASAP. Okay.

Speaker 25 That's what I'm baking right now. But you heard the bell go all.

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Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 12 Well, I wanted to ask you something.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 So I'm working on this new documentary, and it's actually about this girl who went missing about 10 years ago in the town of Osilla. Her name was Tara Grinstead.

Speaker 12 Do you ever remember hearing about that? I do.

Speaker 25 I certainly do. And

Speaker 25 Osilla is only about 25 to 30 minutes from here.

Speaker 12 What do you remember about that as far as like what were people saying when that happened? I'll ask around

Speaker 25 a few people that might remain. In fact, I'll call my friend who lives in Osilla.

Speaker 6 Okay. I'll ask her.

Speaker 25 She'll know. I'll call her right now.
Awesome. And I'll call you back, okay?

Speaker 6 Okay, that sounds great. Okay.

Speaker 25 All right. Bye-bye.

Speaker 12 And sure enough, 10 minutes later.

Speaker 25 My friend's name, her first name is Melbourne. M-E-L-D-A.

Speaker 25 That is her first name.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 25 Let me tell you what she did tell me. I'll tell you right quick.

Speaker 25 She was a school teacher. And on the Saturday that this happened, there was a beauty pageant in Fitzgerald, Georgia.
Now, Fitzgerald is like 15 minutes away.

Speaker 25 And there was a beauty pageant on that Saturday. You might know this, at like three o'clock.
She went to help the girls put their makeup on and that sort of thing. Right.

Speaker 25 When the pageant was over, my friend that I just talked to, Melvie, she talked talked to her at 6 p.m. at the theater.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 25 Melva said when she left the theater, Tara was still at the back of the theater with a friend. Tara did leave and went to visit a friend in Fitzgerald.

Speaker 25 In fact, it was a student that she had talked for just a short time. And then from there, she went back to Ocella, to her principal's house, because he had a cookup that night.

Speaker 13 Man, I could have never imagined that my actual grandma would be the one to drop a bombshell on me on an unsolved missing persons case I was investigating for my true crime podcast.

Speaker 13 But sure enough, she did. I'm pretty sure she had no idea I was recording our conversation.
I did eventually tell her.

Speaker 13 But seriously, listening back to the very first episode of Up and Vanished, the very first cliffhanger ever, and it's my grandma. It's kind of surreal.

Speaker 13 That was episode one of Up and Vanished season one, the very beginning. And now I'm going to take you through every single season, revisiting everything.

Speaker 13 What I got right, what I got wrong, what's changed since then. And here's the deal.
A lot has changed since then.

Speaker 13 What you don't know, and you're about to find out, is that in every single case of Up and Vanished, we've always continued investigating.

Speaker 13 I've been talking to the CBI, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, in Crystal Reisinger's case, for over four years.

Speaker 13 And I recorded all of it, with their permission. I've talked to the FBI in Ashley Loring Heavyrunner's case.

Speaker 13 There are major new leads, tape I've previously recorded that didn't make sense back then, but makes a whole lot of sense now.

Speaker 13 In a brand new sense of urgency and a call to the public, you guys, even as listeners. to help us solve these cases.

Speaker 13 There's a lot of things about Ryan Duke's trial that I never told you, just from my personal experience. At the time, I truly did not want to get in the way of the justice system doing its job.

Speaker 13 That's why the only time I ever appeared in the actual courtroom was on the very last day when they read the verdict. But wow, do I have some stories for you?

Speaker 13 So each week, we're diving back into every season, starting with season one. And look, I know it's a whole lot of information, so I'm going to make it easy for you.

Speaker 13 Whether you've binged all these seasons recently, or you heard them years ago, or you're hearing all this for the first time, we're going to recap everything in a very clean way so I can give you a real update and call to action to help us solve these cases.

Speaker 13 This is eight years of work, audio you've never heard, and insights from me that I've never shared. And all of this is leading up back to season four in the midnight sun.

Speaker 13 I've also spent several months going through all my old phones, hard drives, everything I could find, and dug up old footage of me and the team investigating these cases over the years.

Speaker 13 We've also filmed a whole bunch of new stuff that shows you exactly where we are in our investigations into the disappearance of Florence Akpialik and Joseph Balderis in season 4.

Speaker 13 So I encourage you to go check out my Instagram, which is at PainLindsy, and at Up and Vanished. If you want to see some visuals with what you're hearing, it'll be worth your while.

Speaker 13 And to dispel the mystery, I'm going to give you the release schedule of every episode coming up right now. So you know exactly what to expect.
The season recaps begin today.

Speaker 13 Next Friday, February 21st, we're releasing a very robust episode that recaps you on the entire season one, gives you all brand new information, catches you up on everything so it's not confusing, and I'll give you my real insights on what I think actually happened to TerraGranstep.

Speaker 13 And play for you tons of tape I've never aired that I think you'll find very compelling. Then, the following Tuesday, February 25th, we dive back into season 2.

Speaker 13 And on Friday, February 28th, we have a second episode on season 2.

Speaker 13 Because there's so much content and so much tape with the suspects, the persons of interest, and hour-long conversations with the CBI that have spanned over four years and are as recent as of two days ago.

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Speaker 18 Every story has layers, and sometimes the truth hides in plain sight. I'm Josh Dean, host of Chameleon, the podcast about people who transform, deceive, and survive.

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