Jokes, Outrage, and the New Rules of Comedy with Sam Morril

Speaker 1 He's one of my favorite all-time comedians. Give it up for Mr.
Samuel!

Speaker 2 There's a lot going on with you.

Speaker 1 You just came out with your sixth stand-up special since 2020.

Speaker 3 She's worked with comics like Conan Colbert.

Speaker 2 He has a Netflix special same time tomorrow that tackles everything from awkward conversations to America's gun epidemic. Still do morning news just to ruin the segments.
I do it all the time.

Speaker 2 You did a good one in Columbus. Tell us what we can expect with that.
I'm going to talk about the human trafficking epidemic in Columbus, Ohio. What is going on with the human trafficking?

Speaker 2 What are you talking about? I just kept making out that they had a human trafficking problem in Columbus and the guy lost it on me. Is this a joke? Are you trying to be funny?

Speaker 2 What are you trying to do? We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 Wait, I was just trying to explain. The audience just saw the same thing, too.

Speaker 2 Okay, we'll go to break.

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Speaker 2 Am I visibly sweaty?

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 are you running here? I walk at a brisk pace. Oh, that's I hate to be late to anything.
And I was like, if I don't walk at a brisk pace, I'm going to be late.

Speaker 2 And I was like, you can't cab it at this time either. So it's like, I was like, I got to walk it.
No city bike? Oh, dude, I can't ride a bike. Where, like at all? I can, but I'm so bad on a bike.

Speaker 2 My balance sucks. I'm also scared of the bikers in this city.
They're so reckless in the bike lane that I don't want to get. Yeah, but you don't need to worry about them when you're one of them.

Speaker 2 I do worry about them because I would do it during COVID, like on the West Side Highway, and they were fucking terrifying. Just dude, zipping bios.
I don't know if you're not to anymore.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, I can, I'm a bad. Dude, I'm, I'm, my motor skills are terrible.

Speaker 2 I can.

Speaker 2 I can drive. I have a driver's license, but I shouldn't have one.
I saw it. I don't drive.
Out of respect for people. I don't drive.

Speaker 2 You know what you know what I've always found interesting about driver's licenses or anything that requires you to pass a singular test. I always think it's fucking crazy.
Like

Speaker 2 there's crucial things out there, you know, like doctor,

Speaker 2 pilots, all that. Pilots actually bear because you have to do like multiple hours.
They go prove that you can fly for a bunch.

Speaker 2 At some point with certain jobs, it's just like, did you pass the test? Yeah. Okay, you're good forever.
Yes.

Speaker 14 I know.

Speaker 2 Did you pass your driving test? Yeah, one time. I failed the first two also.
You see, that's pathetic. For me, that means I think for the first time.
You failed the first two. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's kind of hard in the city, honestly. It's terrible.
Have you done a driving traffic?

Speaker 2 First of all, they don't do them in the city, like city-city. I did two in the Bronx, and then one was in like the suburbs, but Bronx was fucking hard.
No, it's terrible. It wasn't easy.

Speaker 2 I mean, I suck, too, but.

Speaker 4 Wait, so there's the first part where they

Speaker 4 let you drive at the traffic department.

Speaker 4 In South Africa, that's how it works.

Speaker 2 No, we don't have that.

Speaker 4 You drive in the traffic department first? No,

Speaker 2 let's go to the streets. It was like,

Speaker 2 where was it? It was in Bronx. Like,

Speaker 2 no, it was like, it felt like very urban. It was like city for sure.
No, no, there's no, yeah, we, they don't have that. What we have, you go straight to the street.

Speaker 2 I really wait till you failed the first time. My rest of my family couldn't understand it.
My brother's like, you failed. I was like, yeah, I'm not good.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 What did you do wrong? What did the guy said?

Speaker 2 Everything.

Speaker 2 It wasn't one thing. They were just like, you're just bad at this.
It wasn't like one thing. I wish it was one thing.
I suck. I'm terrible.

Speaker 4 I found the wonderful time there. Like, we're just better at this.

Speaker 2 That was what it was, dude. I was like, this is.
I was in embarrassment.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 Wait, so first time, second,

Speaker 4 third time.

Speaker 2 Third time,

Speaker 2 I made the woman laugh out of the gate and she was like,

Speaker 2 she just liked me. She was like, oh, he's cool.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 I shouldn't have been. I suck.
I should have been. That's what she thought.

Speaker 2 I should be 0 for 3. But I made her laugh and she was like, just cool.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, not a good thing. What is that? A laughing jury is not a hanging jury.
Oh, yeah? That's the saying. Is that really a saying? You don't know that saying? No.

Speaker 4 Oh, the jury laughed a couple of times in Didi's trial.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but they didn't hang him. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
A laughing jury. He's not a hanging jury.
Yeah, it's not a

Speaker 2 hanging jury. That's an old saying.
I've never heard that. For real, for real?

Speaker 2 No, for real. They say like I always love that forced stand-up because

Speaker 2 I always thought

Speaker 2 the art, and it's funny, I don't even say this just because you're here.

Speaker 2 The art of being like the best comedian

Speaker 2 is doing what you do, where I, where you go,

Speaker 2 you got the jury to laugh, but you committed the crime.

Speaker 2 Oh, geez. I never call it an art stand-up.
I think it's like entertainment. I think it's you don't call it an art?

Speaker 2 I get like cringy when I, because I feel like we're, because we're, it's, it's a pretentious way to describe what we, and what we do is so unpretentious, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I think you're right about that. It's, but it's the same way, like, a lot of chefs will call themselves cooks.

Speaker 4 And a lot of cooks will call themselves chefs. Yeah.
They'll be like, whoa, whoa, hold on. Your diner drives in and dies.

Speaker 2 There's no mission linear, just lard. No, but it's true.
If you think about it, it's like we're running like a diner. Yeah, but that's my point.

Speaker 2 But I'm going, you, I understand why you wouldn't want to call it an art or an art form or any of that. But it has all of the exact same principles.
Let me put it this way.

Speaker 2 If you got into a room with like a painter, like, you know, a fancy painter and a musician, anyone else who's in the arts. No one was allowed to tell each other what they do.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 each of you has to describe the trials and tribulations of what you do. So you go, man, I've got to put myself out there and I've got to create these ideas and hope people like it.

Speaker 2 And then half of the time they don't. And then I feel like shit.
And then I try it again. And then sometimes they like it, but they didn't used to like it.
And then all of a sudden it's popular.

Speaker 2 And sometimes I'm dead by the time it's popular. And then I'm, you know, it's popular.

Speaker 2 People wouldn't know what you do.

Speaker 2 They'd be like, are are you a painter are you a that's true but right instant feedback does that's what separates us right you write a screenplay you're like I don't know you write a book you don't know you don't know till it's maybe an editor's like this is not good but I think I think people get older that's why you always hear Tarantino say like I'm done at 10.

Speaker 2 I think some critics will will praise work of older directors where it's not their best work but they're kind of grandfathered in yeah yeah yeah yeah where like no that wasn't a good movie but they're like it's 95 on rotten tomatoes and you're like but that sucked but they're just in you know?

Speaker 4 Explain that Grandfather Didn't.

Speaker 2 Like, they were great.

Speaker 2 So they're remembering a time when they were great. And now.

Speaker 2 Where did Grandfather Didn't come from? God, please don't say it has like a racist history. No.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what is grandfather?

Speaker 2 According to Google,

Speaker 2 it's from American slavery. I'm like, oh, boy.
Oh, that shit.

Speaker 2 Jeez.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. But I do think like...
No, I hope it is.

Speaker 2 Some of you know if you're slipping because the audience will tell you if you're slipping I think grandfathered in if I guess yeah it's probably about I think it's passports probably

Speaker 2 I think there's something something around something in the or maybe before passports even is like your grandfather was the reason you could get into a college or your grandfather was here so you can get into this institution

Speaker 2 so you get grandfathered in my grandfather came legacy that's and I think

Speaker 2 I'm guessing I'm not gonna look it up because I prefer to guess this shit which is more fun yeah and

Speaker 4 what is your theory

Speaker 2 I think it's slavery.

Speaker 2 I think I just, I really upset a lot of listeners. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 okay, that's interesting. So you don't, so that's the part where you think it separates it from us.
Well, yeah, instant feedback. You kind of know.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the thing, too, is we focus test our stuff more than anyone else. You know, you go to the cellar, you go on the road.
Is this funny?

Speaker 2 Scorsace is like, this is the movie. This is it.
I don't think those guys focus. Maybe you focus test if you make a comedy movie a little, if you see what scene looks.

Speaker 2 I heard that Jordan Peele with Get Out,

Speaker 2 he had a different ending, a darker ending, and people hated it. So he changed the ending.
Like originally in the ending, he doesn't get out.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit. Yeah.
In the original movie. Yeah.
Low Rels character in the original, he doesn't get out. And people are like, this fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 We don't want him to lose.

Speaker 4 We want him to get out.

Speaker 2 It's like a more artsy ending, but I think like you're just rooting for him so hard at that point that you're just like, nah, he's got to get out.

Speaker 2 You know, so this is something I've struggled with philosophically.

Speaker 2 I sometimes wonder if Hollywood has made people less resilient in life because it's conditioned us to believe that there are always happy endings.

Speaker 2 Well, there was that movie that just came out, and I'm sorry if I'm spoiling it, but, you know, they made, I think it was... Danish the original, Speak No Evil.
Yeah. Remember that one? Yeah.

Speaker 2 The Danish version, and I'm sorry if it's not Danish. It's from that part of the world, but.

Speaker 2 They don't get offended on that side. You're good.
you're good. The movie is so fucked up, and it's like the darkest ending you'll ever see.

Speaker 2 And then they made an American version, or maybe it was James McAvoy, maybe it was British, I don't know, but came out in America. And I was like, This is

Speaker 2 this is like a happy ending, yeah, it's a happy ending. I enjoyed both, but yeah, I mean, there's something to be said.
Like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, like, we, yeah, we were conditioned for that, you're right. Every single fairy tale,

Speaker 2 almost every single, but I think every single fairy tale that we know of from Disney was rewritten from a fairy tale that had a grim ending.

Speaker 2 I think it was the Brothers Grim, but it was like they all, like, and I don't know which one did what, but like, apparently, like, Snow White just dies in the one, and then Cinderella doesn't, like, people still get offended about, people were still mad a couple years ago about kissing, uh, they were like, they kiss a passed-out woman in Snow White.

Speaker 2 That was like a big thing.

Speaker 4 The same people that are worried about a passed-out woman being kissed, we're not worried about a teenage girl going on a voyage on a catamaran by herself in the Atlantic Ocean.

Speaker 2 Who Moana? Yes. Some people were like, chicken, pig, good luck.
Yeah, but she's fine. What do you mean? My man,

Speaker 4 it's hard when you let your child go to school.

Speaker 2 When you see them walking away. But why are you worried? So were people offended by that or no? No, I'm saying

Speaker 2 they didn't care.

Speaker 2 Oh. Yeah, but I feel like they get every movie that, every Disney movie, people are like, they've gone.
I didn't see the Buzz Lightyear one. Because I've seen enough of the Toy Story movies.

Speaker 2 I liked them. I thought they were great.
But I was like, I'm good. I'm too old.
But then they had like, I didn't see the Snow White one. I tried a joke about this.
It did not work at all.

Speaker 2 What was the joke? Let's try to fix it. We got it.
I don't think it's fixable. I like it.
I think it's good. Oh, but it doesn't work.
But so I say,

Speaker 2 it doesn't work. And it doesn't work like anywhere.
I feel like both sides are like. So I say,

Speaker 2 so my angle was how they're like, Snow White, you know, I didn't see the Snow White movie.

Speaker 2 They say, I'm not the target demo, obviously, but I didn't see it. And they say it bombed because it was woke.
And I was like, well, let's make some non-woke Disney classics.

Speaker 2 So my idea was the Little Mermaid, but

Speaker 2 instead of looking for a prince, she just does a bunch of swim meets. And the whole movie is dads who are like, my daughter's got to compete against this shit.
She's not a girl. She's a fish.

Speaker 2 It's not fair. That's a great premise.
Yeah. He didn't say joke.
He said premise. No, that's a great premise, though.
It's going somewhere. Yeah, it's going somewhere.
It's going somewhere.

Speaker 2 I like the idea that it's like... Yes.
Wait, wait, wait. That it is rational.
It does make sense.

Speaker 2 But also, I feel like I'm kind of, is it making fun of both sides? I don't know why it's not working.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'll tell you why I think it's not working. I'll tell you why I think it's not working.
Sometimes I find with comedy, the reason a joke won't work is not because the joke doesn't work.

Speaker 2 It's because the people are still dealing with the current release of the jokes. So they can't, the punchline.
So oftentimes in comedy, the punchline has to release you from reality.

Speaker 2 Oftentimes, right? But if the, if the punchline of the joke

Speaker 2 brings you back to reality and a reality that you haven't resolved audiences aren't happy so you didn't let them get out in that joke

Speaker 2 I didn't Jordan peel it, dude. Yeah.
Yeah. They're still getting ahead.
Cause you get what I'm saying? Because think about it. You went, you there's the joke about the mermaid.

Speaker 2 She's swimming with other girls. Parents are complaining.
She's, oh, and it's like, oh, and it's trans. People are like, oh, fuck, we haven't even figured that out yet.
Ah, I don't know how I right.

Speaker 2 So I'm reminding them of something that they're like, what do we do? Yes. That's interesting.
That's a good observation. I never thought of it that way.
That's a very good observation.

Speaker 2 I used to have a joke, like back in the day when I first came to America, I had this joke about

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 2 the premise was basically: whoever invented Santa Claus was the same person who invented Osama bin Laden.

Speaker 2 Because I was like, you know, when I was like, writers run out of ideas and they just start, you know, people make the same songs, people make the same.

Speaker 2 So I was like, whoever made Santa Claus made Osama bin Laden. I can tell it's the same.
It was a lazy, it's like the same reused premise. Got a beard, got like a weird little costume.

Speaker 2 They're like in a cave with their helpers. They like pop out once in a while.
You don't know where they really are. It was this whole thing.
No one laughed. It was in September.
No one laughed.

Speaker 2 And I could never figure out how to get the joke going. How to get

Speaker 2 after they killed bin Laden, that joke murdered everywhere. Wow.
People would. You're very simple teams.
A thank you note for that one. Can I tell? I'm not even joking.

Speaker 2 I remember because I remember just trying to save that joke.

Speaker 2 People were like, yeah.

Speaker 2 People were laughing hard. They're like, I never thought about that.
Yeah, he's got the same. Because I even had the same thing.
I had Santa Claus.

Speaker 2 That was the one that started working the hardest was i said they even had the same catchphrase you better watch out you better

Speaker 2 and then people were like nah after bin laden was dead joke was amazing i love the idea that you're doing you better watch out and you're like this isn't working on 912.

Speaker 2 guys it's you better watch out you don't get it

Speaker 2 jesus how about get out

Speaker 2 No, it's funny.

Speaker 2 I always love jokes where you're like making the weirdest comparison. You're like, where the hell is this going? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, those are the, those are fun ones because it's fun to watch them like, oh, it's fun. That's a fun moment.
That's the best moment.

Speaker 2 When you can find an audience, when you can take an audience to a place with you that no one should rationally be in, that's the greatest.

Speaker 2 That's like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's a statistic part of being a comic.
Like to see how far this can go, where it can go, and when it's going to end.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you definitely, when you have a joke, you stretch it as possibly far as you can take it.

Speaker 4 You're searching for the cul-de-sac. Yeah.
You're going to drive, drive, drive, and go, the road is finished. Shop.
See you guys next time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So when you, one thing

Speaker 2 I wanted to chat through with you is like, I go,

Speaker 2 you are, man, how can I put it? Like,

Speaker 2 you're one of the most honest comedians I know. Geez, thank you, man.
And what I mean about that is...

Speaker 2 Like as a human, I don't know you that well. But what I mean by comedian is as a comedian you're the one of the most honest comedians.
I know more about comedy than me as a human. So this is great.

Speaker 2 That's more important.

Speaker 2 Because one time you described me as like, I remember I did a daily show and you're like, this guy's a great guy. And I was like, fuck, does that mean I'm a hack? Jesus, Paul.

Speaker 2 Whenever a comic calls you nice, you're like, oh, no, no. But I mean, that was like a great person.
No, no, I'm fucking with you. No, but

Speaker 2 because I mean, I mean, you got to remember,

Speaker 2 I had an interesting perspective meeting people.

Speaker 2 Eugene had a similar thing is that like, when you come from random places in the world and you meet comedians in the biggest places in the world, they don't have to be nice to you.

Speaker 2 They don't even have to like acknowledge you in that way. So you'll meet some people who are just dicks because they see no value in you as a person.

Speaker 2 And then you meet people where you go, oh shit, it's that guy.

Speaker 2 And you're like some random, because remember, let's say as an African, a lot of the time when we first get somewhere, we might not even realize how African we are or aren't being in that moment.

Speaker 2 So we arrive somewhere and we're going like, well, hello, my friend. And then what they're saying is like, oh, hello, hello.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? That's what I didn't do. but I'm not trying to trap you, Sam.
I'm not trying to trap you. You're just trying to call me racist on this podcast.

Speaker 2 God damn it.

Speaker 2 I'm not trying to trap you. No, but what I'm saying is

Speaker 2 we often take for granted how we're perceived versus how we perceive ourselves, right?

Speaker 2 So you show up as an African in some places. You are so random to the people you show up to

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 it becomes way more apparent who is and isn't like just just a nice person in that way.

Speaker 2 One of the instances I remember was Joseph Opio, comedian friend of ours. You might have met him, you might not.
He's from Uganda. He's one of the quirkiest human beings you've ever met in your life.

Speaker 2 He basically did the daily show of Uganda by himself, wrote it,

Speaker 2 presented the whole thing.

Speaker 2 He's the most abnormal human being you've ever met, right? Amazing guy.

Speaker 2 I remember seeing him at the comedy cellar. Nobody knew who he was.
I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 2 And he walked up to Louis C.K. after Louis had just been on stage and he was like, ah, excuse me, Mr.
Louis, can I offer you a few tags? I noticed that

Speaker 2 you said there. And I remember thinking, oh, God, this is, it's not going to end well.
And Louis looked at him and he was like, oh, yeah, what? And he talked to him.

Speaker 2 And he's like, oh, shit, yeah, I didn't think of that. And he took the tag and he like engaged.

Speaker 2 Whether or not Louis was just being nice or taking it actually, I didn't care. I remember just going, man, that's a cool dude.
Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I love that Louis that way.

Speaker 2 I think most comics at the seller, like, first off, it's always weird. Do people know what tags are, by the way? It's like, you know.
Oh, yeah, a tag. How many people listening even know?

Speaker 2 It's like the end of a joke, like one more line at the end of a joke.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's an extra. It's a.
But Louie gave me a tag once. I remember being like, hold, it took a joke from here to here.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 It's a joke that I used to have a joke where I said, you know, I don't even remember if I'm going to butcher it, but it was like, I said,

Speaker 2 I think women look at sex like.

Speaker 2 uh buying a car where they're like uh can i see myself in this long term is it safe is it reliable you know and then men look at sex like parking a a car, like, there's a spot. There's another spot.

Speaker 2 Oh, I have to pay. Never mind.
And then the line Louis gave me was handicapped.

Speaker 2 Yeah, what the hell? I hope no one sees this.

Speaker 2 So Louis took it over the top. I was like, it was already killing.
And then he gave me that one extra line. I was like, oh, shit.
And I ended up doing that joke in the movie Joker.

Speaker 2 I did like 20 jokes, but he was like, oh, that's perfect. And I was like, all right.
But Louis gave me that line. Yeah, I already had a handicapped angle I tried, but hope no one sees this.

Speaker 2 Just perfect amount of words. There's certain things you can't substitute word choice for.
No, you can't. So yeah, Louis,

Speaker 2 I love like pure comics because he'll watch and he'll be like, oh, what if you did that? Like he's so interested in jokes. I love

Speaker 2 comics are nice to each other because that's the language we speak is jokes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that's, I don't think that that's, I don't think that's the case as much as it was before, partially because I think stand-up comedy became

Speaker 2 stand-up comedy for a long time was the bastard child of entertainment. Yeah.
Right. It didn't doesn't matter where you're from in the world.
There was always like, oh, and the comedians.

Speaker 2 And then in many countries, comedy started having this ascendancy. Oh, yeah, when porn stars started doing stand-up, I'm like, we're the last stop? What the hell? You went from that to this?

Speaker 2 Which one's that was this? Oh, well, well,

Speaker 2 Stormy Daniels was one. There's been a few.
I don't want to name too many names. Stand-up? Yeah, there was a brief.
I like how you said, like, I don't want to embarrass them.

Speaker 2 I don't want to expose their stories. Oh, yeah, yeah, I don't want to spoil their porn careers.
Well, let's be real, they come off better in the other videos. So, you know,

Speaker 2 come on.

Speaker 2 At least they're good at that, you you know? Shit.

Speaker 2 But this is what I mean. It's like stand-up comedy used to be the bastard child of entertainment.

Speaker 2 Then Netflix comes along. You know,

Speaker 2 there's like a boom that you see where all of a sudden it's a gold rush. Yeah.
And now comedy is not like an afterthought. Comedy is the thing.

Speaker 2 And comedy has waves, don't get me wrong. You know, there's periods where like the comedy clubs die and improvs are doing bad and blah, blah, blah.
But then comedy comes up again.

Speaker 2 And then people are back on TV. They're in movies, et cetera.

Speaker 2 And I'm saying, in some of those waves, you'll meet comedians where you go, oh, this comedian doesn't care necessarily about comedy, but he sees comedy as the perfect vehicle to get them into acting, being famous in some other way.

Speaker 2 And then there's comedians who love comedians. And I find those comedians are generally just great people.
That's what I meant by you.

Speaker 2 You just, I've never met somebody who is as good and loves comedy as you do. Genuinely.
Oh, thank you, man. Geez, that means a lot.
You're like a full-on.

Speaker 2 He's a full-time comedian. Yeah, you are.
Thank you, man. I love stand-up, man.
I love jokes. So, I mean, I probably spend too much time at the seller.

Speaker 2 Like, I've definitely had those moments where I'm like, I got to do other stuff. I remember Chris Rock once said to me, he's like, you got to go out and live.
Your audience is living.

Speaker 2 You have to have stuff to talk about. And I was like, oh, yeah, you can't just be like, so I got off stage the other night.
That can't be like the setup to jokes. You have to like go do stuff.

Speaker 2 I hate vacations. I hate, like, I don't like, it's hard for me to shut off.
I went to, I was like, I'll go on a vacation.

Speaker 2 I want want to get in a plane I'll go to Lake Placid for two days I'll disappear with three days with my friend We just went there and just chilled we're like we'll paddle board I was miserable I the current took me I could I had to like I had to like swim to the side and hitchhike back to the place I was staying Yeah, I was I

Speaker 2 came back early. I hate it.
I'm like I need the city. I need the energy of the city.
I don't know. I'm bad.
And then back in the club.

Speaker 2 I'll take nights off the clubs now. And I'm touring a lot.
So like I do, and I'll spend an extra day in the city. I'm like, let me experience the city, too.

Speaker 2 Because I did the tour bus the first part of the year.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, you're one of those. Oh, man.
I remember you tried to convince me on this. And I, did I? You did.
You did. So it's a real bus.
Sam loved it. I mean,

Speaker 2 you explain it because

Speaker 2 I'm not going to sell it well. So

Speaker 2 I want you to. Well, I don't need to sell it.
I mean, I don't want to sell it too hard because the people take them. I don't get a bus.
You know, they're hard to get.

Speaker 2 These are hot properties.

Speaker 2 I said to Sam one day, I was complaining. I was not even complaining.
I was just like, oh, man, I'm tired tired because I was flying around.

Speaker 2 I was like, you know, you got to get to the airport and you get to the next airport. Then the thing drops you off.

Speaker 2 And then Sam went, oh, man, I just ride on the bus. So the first thing I thought was like a Greyhound.
And I was like, damn, this guy loves getting material. That's the first thing I thought.

Speaker 2 I was like, wow, this guy loves new material. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 And then it turned out you were talking about a tour bus. And he's like, no, I get on the bus after the show, sleep in the bus, get to the next place.

Speaker 2 And then, if I remember correctly, you would then go to like a place where you could play basketball

Speaker 2 every day on the road. So, we

Speaker 2 get off stage. Usually, we either go to dinner in town or like just get dinner and eat on the bus and watch a movie.
I bring a ton of DVDs. I still buy DVDs, love having DVDs.

Speaker 2 So, that way, if Wi-Fi is an issue, you're like, oh, I'll throw in whatever criterion edition. And then you watch a movie.
They got so mad at me. I made them watch a film noir from the 1950s once.

Speaker 2 And everyone was like, dude, what the fuck? Let me tell you something. By the end, they were like, this is the best movie.
It's called The Big Heat Fritz Lang movie from the 50s, Glenn Ford.

Speaker 2 Fucking incredible revenge movie. Oh, but they loved it in the end.
They loved it. It's good.
You should give us before at the end of this podcast. You must give us like a list of some old flicks.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Or maybe we could find a hat and then you can reignect some of the scenes film nois style. Because you look like we come from that era.

Speaker 2 Who? Oh, you do. I'll get you with me.
I was like, if you go, no, you do. Well, Fritz Lang, the director, is one of the German Jews who emigrated to America during World War II.

Speaker 2 But right before the Nazis took over, Goebbels was like,

Speaker 2 You should make our movies. You're this great director.
Was that the guy? Yeah. Yeah.
And no, he wasn't the guy because Fritz Lang goes, but I'm a Jew. And Goebbels goes, We decide who's Jewish.

Speaker 2 And he was like, It was at that point that I realized I should leave. So he came to America

Speaker 2 and made a bunch of movies, a bunch of great movies. That's insane.

Speaker 4 That's that moment when he stares into Goebbels.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you sure? Because that's not what I've read.

Speaker 4 At that time, Goebbels was undecided about what to have for dinner. He was like, I don't know, chicken, schnitzel.

Speaker 4 And then he was like, I decided, you,

Speaker 2 I'm out. What a moment.
So the tour bus is great, though, because we throw in movies. We sleep.
You sleep like a baby when the bus is moving.

Speaker 2 I love when the bus is moving because you forget how, because I just sleep in the bunks. I like the bunks.

Speaker 4 How many guys are in this bus?

Speaker 2 Four or five. Okay.
And yeah, I rock to sleep. I love it.
So I'm a big fan of the bus. And then you wake up in the city and we hit like a YMCA or a rec center, play basketball.

Speaker 2 Some of these Ys are nice now. You get a little sauna action.
Listen to this guy. I love it.
The toilet in the bus. Do you see what I mean by selling it? You can pee.
You can't poop on the bus.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a rule. You can physically, but all to a bus is sort of like an agreed-upon rule.
The guy I had, Jeff, is the man. I love Jeff.
He's

Speaker 2 our bus driver. And he was like, I said, give me the names who have pooped on the bus.
And he was like, Tom Segura. I said, Segura pooped on the bus.
He goes, Yeah, he hotboxed it.

Speaker 2 He put it in a

Speaker 2 and my camera guy also, he did poop on the bus i was furious at him i was like dude you got it because we were in nashville and it's my fault i was like let's get hot chicken it's nashville oh my god

Speaker 2 my my camera guy is like a jacked giant dude who eats like four hot chickens i was like dude i don't care how big you're you're gonna hot boxes the bus had to i made him like i was like dude you gotta go to a gas station you gotta throw that out you can't make the driver throw that out damn well he emptied it out himself like physically He put it in garbage bags.

Speaker 2 They would do it. This is gnarly.
Wait, how does it work? They would poop in a garbage bag.

Speaker 4 I'm not in an an airplane, kind of flies through the sky and it lands on whoever.

Speaker 2 No, what are you talking about, man? They've got a container. Okay.
Really? You think planes are just like pooping?

Speaker 2 I thought the same thing. I'm going to be honest.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I figured it would disintegrate before it came down, right? You think that they're just spraying shit?

Speaker 4 Because when the plane opens underneath and goes...

Speaker 2 Wait, no, wait, really? No. I really think that.
I hope that my version is real because the way I thought, I thought there was a container. Listen to the son.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the, like, they're using a vacuum to pull it.

Speaker 2 you think planes are just spraying i i i thought that's we need to find but you seem confident and i don't know no no no no no now you are both thinking confidence yeah no i'm not confident oh okay yeah i think i think it goes into the air

Speaker 2 look just sprays into the air yeah that's our revenge on the birds dude we get one right on their head

Speaker 2 get them back that's what i thought i don't know

Speaker 2 you know what when did the cycle start

Speaker 2 Those are the types of things. Those are the premises that I like.
I go, what if we were the ones who first shed on the birds?

Speaker 2 And the birds are like, okay,

Speaker 2 we're going to get it. Okay.
We got you. For the rest of time.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 It's a bad feeling when you go on a plane.

Speaker 4 It really is. You don't like being on a plane?

Speaker 2 No, I love... I don't mind flying, but having to poop on a plane is one of the worst feelings.
You just feel. What? You feel dirty.
I travel with wipes. I don't like being dirty.

Speaker 2 I feel horrible coming in here sweaty. I don't like it.
I don't know. But dirty, sweaty is not dirty.
I guess not. You just don't like the idea of being like in a prim state.

Speaker 2 You want to be as

Speaker 2 what? What is it? Is it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just want to feel clean. I don't know.
You want to feel, I want to, if I'm traveling, I want to feel good. That's why, I think that's why I do the bus.

Speaker 2 I feel good if I do it that way, you know? Yeah, no,

Speaker 2 I don't like the bus thing because you,

Speaker 2 I don't like waking up

Speaker 2 somewhere else, and now I can't just shower. Like, I have to get out to then go and shower.

Speaker 2 It's, it's like. So you start your day with a shower.
Wait, you don't? No.

Speaker 4 That's the airplane toilet.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You don't start your day with a shower? Usually not.
But

Speaker 2 usually I'll go to the gym or something or I'll like

Speaker 2 I'll do an afternoon shower, like an afternoon. Okay, wait, wait, you mean like off the activity? Okay, I thought you were saying you just like you don't shower until nighttime.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, usually before the. Oh, no, no, that's fine.
That's fine. You do stuff and then you...
Yeah. Yeah.
What I'll do is I will shower, then maybe go to the gym and everything. And then,

Speaker 2 because I don't like going to the gym and not knowing if that smell is coming from my gym.

Speaker 2 Do you shower pre-gym? Yeah. Oh, my God.
No, because I don't know if this effort that I'm exerting is causing this smell. I like to know.
Do you go to like a public gym? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What gym? We can believe it, right? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Ours is not even like a name. It's like a public gym.
People go to it.

Speaker 2 No. I don't want them to care.
No, I just.

Speaker 2 Why do you care?

Speaker 4 This is the one place where you're going to sweat and come out smelly. Why do you want to go in looking for a break?

Speaker 2 Okay, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.
Yeah, I also think that's a little strange. I'll tell you why.
We're really teaming up on them here this episode. The pooping, this.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 Number one, I don't like it when people leave any type of stench on the leather of

Speaker 2 the seats. And you know, the workouts.

Speaker 4 Don't you put a towel in? Don't you come with me?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I don't like that they leave a smell. I don't like that.

Speaker 4 Trevor, what must they leave?

Speaker 2 That's my point. I don't like that.
I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't. I'm saying I don't like that they leave.

Speaker 2 so for me i do not wish to be a leaver okay i don't want to do that i also don't like it when like people are smelling up a place so i think to myself let me not be contributing to the smell of this place i can shower before i come here and then i'll shower when i'm done with the workout and the post workout shower is a quick one because you've already like washed the bacteria off all you're really doing is like a quick super rinse with a bit of soap and you're done he's considerate he's a he's a considerate guy i think if the shower is going to be shorter it should be the first one no because you slept the whole night When you've actually worked sleeping.

Speaker 2 So you're getting dirty sleeping.

Speaker 2 You don't get dirty sleeping. What are you doing in your sleep? Hold on.
So you... No, you're probably right.
Guys, you're sweating the whole night.

Speaker 2 Wait.

Speaker 4 So when you wake up, the morning shower is the one where you put the most effort.

Speaker 2 Yes. More soap, more.
Exactly. Do you shower again before you go out at night if you're going out somewhere?

Speaker 2 Sometimes it depends on how humid the day was. If it's not humid, then no.

Speaker 2 Because I'm just conscious of my sweat. But if I, if I was like brisk walk, hot day, I'll shower.
before

Speaker 2 before I go out.

Speaker 2 You're just like, why are you taking it on to the next thing?

Speaker 2 This is not about me. This is about Sam, though.

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Speaker 2 What got you? I want to know, like, what got you into stand-up? And not like who got you in or like, what was the thing? Because you kept on saying, I love stand-up. I love stand up.
I love stand up.

Speaker 2 And it shows. But like, what do you think is the thing that like got you into like stand up, stand up? And not being funny and not funny movies and not like stand up specifically?

Speaker 2 I think like just, I played some team sports growing up, but our school really sucked at basketball. So everyone was on drugs and they were terrible.
And I was like, I was pissed. I took it seriously.

Speaker 2 And we just always lost. And I was like, this is bullshit.
So I was like, I can't do like improv. I can't do a team sport.
So I was like, I'll do a thing where I rely on myself and stand up.

Speaker 2 I was like, it's like, that's like, you know, the tennis or golf. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, that's what stand up is.
You, you're, it's all on.

Speaker 2 I always respect tennis players because I remember reading Agassiz's book and he just talks about like how you're on an island and it's make or break. It's all you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I kind of like tennis players kind of just have breakdowns. You know, they'll just snap.
Like you'll just see them like breaking a racket or losing it.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, that's like, they're kind of the head cases because they're in isolation. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I always, I respected that about them, that they have to kind of just live in their head. And that's kind of the life of a

Speaker 2 comic, but that can be painful. I was just watching the Billy Joel documentary and

Speaker 2 I noticed this about comics too. Like he would disappear to write his new album and it would make him crazy.
And he was like, I have to get fucking hammered.

Speaker 2 I have to just like get so drunk because so many of his songs were coming from just him doing bad behavior. You know, like, oh, yeah, him just, yeah.

Speaker 2 He drove home drunk on a motorcycle and his wife was like,

Speaker 2 are you a lunatic and that became the song like you may be right i may be crazy but i just might be the lunatic you're looking for that's from drug driving drunk on a motorcycle and it's like it's amazing that he took that and made that something i don't know i just think like

Speaker 2 i guess i'm giving a really long answer here but my i think i like

Speaker 2 i like that it was all on me no rush i liked that it was all on me so i like that part of it And holy shit, my mom at that time was like, please just be a writer.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh my God, thank God I didn't pursue just being a writer because it's so much harder to get stuff made she thought that was the no no she thought writer producer was the safe route which maybe at that time it was but now stand-up at least i can make my own career for the most part and uh

Speaker 2 i just liked

Speaker 2 yeah and i and then i got into stand-up you know you listened to it and i was i liked albums i liked there's something intimate about the jokes like just being in your head you know is it put watching is cool but i always liked i remember hearing like prior carlin chris rock album chris rock albums were very big David Tale, like those albums where they were just like,

Speaker 2 wow, rock would, you said something about me before, which I take as a high compliment, where, you know, you, you say the wrong thing, but then kind of get them on your side.

Speaker 2 Rock is maybe the best ever at that. I mean, every premise was wrong.
Yeah. And by the end of it, you were like, oh, no, we were wrong to not think that in the first place.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 He had so many bits like that where I was just like, I mean, I love so many of his takes. I mean, Bigger and Blacker and

Speaker 2 Bring the Pain were like fucking crazy. Those are crazy albums, you know? So

Speaker 2 I remember listening to a Chris Rock album as a kid. I probably got like half, I was probably 11.
I probably got half the jokes. But my mom just saw, she saw me laughing.

Speaker 2 She's like, what the hell is he listening to? And she grabbed it and she put the headphones on. And I just saw this look of horror on her face.
And 30 seconds later, she laughed.

Speaker 2 And I was like, that's fucking beautiful that a joke can do that. That's amazing that she could.
She loves him.

Speaker 2 I mean, she she respects comedy very much so that's that's also influential when you see what makes your because when you're a kid you're you know rebelling at first but then you get to a certain age and you're like well what makes my parents laugh this is kind of cool that they're in on it too that my mom's not gonna like everything i do obviously but uh

Speaker 2 i would see her laugh at stuff and she loved like mitch hedberg she loved dry jokes she loved sarcasm and do you think that shaped your comedy because i mean you're you're on the drier edge of of the comedy spectrum i'd say um yeah probably because when you because it feels good to make your mom laugh.

Speaker 2 It's like a great, it's a nice sound. You're like, oh shit, this is the person who gave me life and she finds...

Speaker 2 I made my mom reluctantly laugh at a dick joke. That's kind of cool.
Those are the... Can I tell you something? When you make your mom reluctantly laugh...
At what?

Speaker 2 Not at any... I wasn't going to say anything else.
I just said reluctantly laugh.

Speaker 4 Sorry, because I thought

Speaker 4 you were actually finishing off what Sam had.

Speaker 2 You wanted me to say at a dick joke. Okay, shout out.
There's no African who is making their mom laugh at a dick joke. None.

Speaker 2 But our version, I would say, for me of a dick joke, and that is, I'll make my mom reluctantly laugh at a religious joke. Right.

Speaker 2 And she'll, she'll laugh and then she'll go, that's not funny. My mom does the same.
She does the same thing. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But then you're like, but I got the reaction. Yeah.
So she'll be like, no, my mom, my mom said to me, she's like, no, you, you forced me. I didn't want to laugh.
Too late.

Speaker 2 Then I said, but you laughed. You found it funny.
She's like, I didn't find it funny. You tricked me.
I don't like that. Then I'm like, I didn't do anything.
I just told you you a joke.

Speaker 2 She's like, no, no, there's nothing funny about what you said. I'm like, but you laughed.

Speaker 2 And they get mad when they make the act, but then they're like, I feel like they're kind of also into it a little bit. I had a joke about her because she's such, such a worrier, dude.

Speaker 2 I mean, we were talking about this before the pod, but I mean, she worried about everything. I was walking on the street with her once and we saw a dead bird.

Speaker 2 And I was like, and she goes, ooh, dead bird, don't touch it. And I was like.
Don't are you really telling me? I'm an adult.

Speaker 2 Like, you think I'm going to pick up a dead bird and be like, I thought this was like a child story. No, that's a, I was an adult.
And my mom saw, I saw a dead bird and I go, ooh.

Speaker 2 And she goes, don't touch it. And I was like, I was in my 20s.
I was like, are you kidding me? Like, that's her level of worry. She worried so much.

Speaker 2 So we were talking about COVID before and like, oh my God, having a mom, having a hypochondriac mom during COVID, I was like, I know, look, I'll never see you again. Whatever you want.

Speaker 2 Like, whatever makes you feel safe, mom. We'll zoom forever, you know? You know, it was mental.

Speaker 2 That is so beautiful. So take me through some of you.
Because she knows you're like, I'm immune compromised. I'm like, but you're not really.

Speaker 2 You're pretty good. You're in pretty good shape.
Where was she living at this time?

Speaker 2 They live in Midtown in Manhattan. Oh, so they're here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was still talking about her.

Speaker 2 I'm getting dinner with him after this. Yo, man, in her defense,

Speaker 2 behind glass doors still. Yeah, but do you remember, like, in her defense? Yeah.
And New York was no joke. It was no joke.
Like, New York was, I was telling him the other day.

Speaker 2 Walking past, I don't know if you ever went through Central Park when they had like the body bags and stuff. That was.

Speaker 4 I still refuse to believe that.

Speaker 2 That was your beyond that. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 Depending on where you experienced COVID, I see why everyone has a different feeling about COVID because everyone's experience of it was different.

Speaker 2 For some people, it was completely a theoretical thing. They were at home and then they were told there was a death toll.

Speaker 4 Watched it on the news. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then there were other people, like if you were in New York during that time, you didn't go to Florida, you didn't run away anywhere, you just stayed here. The streets were empty.

Speaker 2 There was only sirens. Yeah.
Like all day, it was just siren, siren, siren.

Speaker 2 And then when you could go outside, i remember walking around central park and they had turned it into like a makeshift it looked it literally looked like an apocalypse movie where they had the white tents and then they had body bags and you're like what is going on here i was like oh this shit is like it's like real

Speaker 2 it was you know what's so weird this is something about the city is like just the way you hear a song and it takes you back to a time i haven't been on this exact block since covid and i used to do i did a show on this block uh at some hotel i don't even know if it's still here i but uh i did a show three nights a week because they had an outdoor space with heat lamps so i was able to do a three i would just do an hour three nights a week to stay in oh during covid like during covid

Speaker 2 because it was it was heat lamps but i was on this block late at night one night with phil handle we were just like sitting around waiting watching what we were like it's one of the things where the night's over but you're you're both so happy to be around another human because it was still covet what a time so i remember cabs were going by and some creepy kid just kept riding by us on a bike and he did it like five times and we're like i mean should we move and it was so creepy it was i was like i mean he's a kid we shouldn't be scared of him.

Speaker 2 But like, there's a reason to use kids in horror movies. It was like scary.
He just kept circling us. And we're like, I guess.

Speaker 4 He just happened to see other humans.

Speaker 2 He was happy to be around us too, maybe. I don't know.
But

Speaker 2 it was a dark time.

Speaker 2 You see, that's when you knew who like loved comedy.

Speaker 2 There were comedians during COVID. They were like,

Speaker 2 they're like, I'm not stopping. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You were doing it in parking lots. I was, my main thing was roofs, but yeah, I did a lot of parking lots, but roofs were my big thing during COVID.
Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 2 I got really hooked on it because it was like, I mean, I don't know if I think I got worse at comedy because it was hard to tell what was hitting because you're like, you're like, well, you're, you're doing the math and you're heading, well, like, that hit on this roof, but it didn't hit on this roof.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm doing roofs in Brushwick. I'm doing them in the Lower East Side.
I'm doing them in Hell's Kitchen. Nobody works on the 32nd floor.

Speaker 2 Dude, it was, it was a confusing time. And also, you know, some nights it would be packed and some nights, you know, 18 people, but people were desperate.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 they were desperate i remember reading this book i forgot the title but it was about these like ancient settlers and they and it's like do how like music just got them through the winters and i was like oh shit people need this it was the same way okay they'd be freezing but they'd be playing music and they just gather around and it was like oh this is keeping us going and i felt that way about comedy a little bit because i saw people laughing i was like holy shit that guy need that joke wasn't even that good but that guy needed to laugh

Speaker 2 That's why I had a hard time telling what was good. I think people like wanted.
It was the same way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was the same way people came out right after COVID.

Speaker 2 Like, I was about to say, yeah, they were coming to shows like I'd never seen. I was like, this is, and some of them forgot how to behave.
Some of them, they'd be in public.

Speaker 2 They'd be in a movie theater and they'd be like, yeah, I'm just going to scream drunk. I'm like, no, you can't do that, you know? But they were like, that is what I do at my place.
You know,

Speaker 2 people forgot how to be humans during it. It was so, and some people still aren't good, dude.
I mean, I go, I mean, you see it around the country.

Speaker 2 You go around, you go to downtowns now in every city, and you're like, people are, there's like a real drug problem in this country that they're not addressing.

Speaker 2 You just go around and you're just like, this is someone's kid. This is crazy, you know? I think

Speaker 2 the worst thing we did around the world, there were two countries I know that did it in some way, but

Speaker 2 it's almost like they stumbled onto it.

Speaker 2 One was intentional, but it wasn't for COVID. I think there was a stampede in Korea.
Stand to be corrected, but I think it was in Korea. It's a huge stampede and a bunch of people died.

Speaker 2 And it was at a party originally, it was a whole thing. But they had a day of mourning.
And I remember watching that and I was going, wait, what is happening here?

Speaker 2 And the whole country just had to pause and go, we are going to collectively mourn this loss.

Speaker 2 And the second version of it I saw, which wasn't intentional, was when the queen died in England. And she died just on the other side of COVID.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And people were lined up. to go to the church.

Speaker 2 And I remember like one story, David Beckham was standing in line, like didn't like VIP it, didn't skip the line waited with people for hours just in the line with them and people were crying and and I remember looking that looking that at that and thinking to myself I know some people are crying for a legacy and a time that's lost and the peace of their country and but I was like yeah but a lot of people here are crying because they didn't get to cry about covet you know what I mean oh dude I took I cried at Simpsons episodes during a COVID I was like I don't think it's I don't think it's the Simpsons that's breaking me right now I think there's some other yeah but we didn't we didn't we never like we never

Speaker 2 Those are like the moments I think of where as

Speaker 2 a comedian. Yeah, I go,

Speaker 2 everyone just went back to it never was a thing.

Speaker 2 Whether you

Speaker 2 love to forget, forget what you believe or don't believe. Forget everything.
Forget vaccines. Forget COVID even as real or not real.

Speaker 2 Just remember a time when we couldn't go outside and a lot of people were dying. Okay.
People from Florida, you can skip this part of the podcast, but

Speaker 2 you lucky bastard.

Speaker 2 You had a great time.

Speaker 2 You had a great time during COVID. Remember, I do a weekend once in a while in like Florida or Texas, and I'd be like, I'm grateful to be working right now.
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 But I'm like, you guys know what's happening in New York right now? You're like reporting news. You're like, did you hear what happened?

Speaker 2 I felt like a messenger boy. You know, on the YouTube video when they're like, when they're like, people commonly skip this.
Yeah, people in,

Speaker 2 they skip this part. But like, I don't know, man.
I think that collective thing,

Speaker 2 you're not wrong.

Speaker 2 That's why people didn't forget just how to act but we also forgot how to feel in a certain way when's the last time we were all on the same page about anything as a country like we're not on the same page about the world

Speaker 2 or no as a world it's a trust bowl it's gotten everywhere i mean the super bowl used to be a thing we're like it's the super bowl this is great and now it's just the super now people are like taylor swift i'm like who gives a

Speaker 2 yeah or you know or or they'll be furious about the band i don't even remember who did the last super bowl what band kendrick kendrick before it was kendrick was it

Speaker 2 yeah no one's i i what i think prince is is the last time everyone's like, all right, that was a good show. Everyone else, people are like, they either love it or they're like, fuck that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it always means something.

Speaker 2 It's always the end of your side. It's always...
I will say it's become worse in America in that way.

Speaker 2 But it's become pervasive all around the world where everyone has made everything seem like it is a loss or a victory for them.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 What do you mean by that? So like

Speaker 2 I remember a time.

Speaker 2 i remember a time when like it's gonna go into black and white film no yeah right

Speaker 2 let me tell you about a time when i when i was young boy

Speaker 2 no no no

Speaker 2 i said this to a friend the other day i said do you remember when people were allowed to just not like something but not say that it was shit

Speaker 2 like i when i was younger People would say, what's your favorite sitcom? And someone would go, friends.

Speaker 2 And then you would go, oh, no, mine is family ties or family matters you know what i mean family matters and they'd be like no mine is

Speaker 2 you know full house or mine is but no one i don't remember anyone going like friends is shit

Speaker 2 people just went like oh i i don't like friends and i don't watch it and they would move on

Speaker 2 and then over time gradually and i'm like it gets more engaging

Speaker 2 they call it rage bait exactly you get raid it's rage bait if you're just like uh this the soprano sucked do something and you're just like it didn't suck you know but they're just like i think it sucked and you're like well you could have said that but that's what i mean but that's what i mean about like the loss and the win for your side is like if taylor swift performs then the world we now live in tells you that you are losing if you're not a taylor swift person How dare you not do it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like, I can't believe they chose Taylor Swift as the, or if Kendrick performs, it's like, you've now lost. I can't believe Kendrick is now.

Speaker 2 But it's like, yo, man, every year, someone will just perform at a thing and something would happen and it's not your thing.

Speaker 2 And some, this movie wins an Oscar, that one doesn't, but it, it doesn't mean that you've lost. But now I feel like we've made it in society.
Tribal.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we've, but we've made it that people have lost

Speaker 2 for no reason. Also, you're allowed to just be like, for me personally, like, I don't have like a strong opinion on Taylor Swift.
I think she has some good songs. I don't really listen to her.

Speaker 4 That's very strong opinions.

Speaker 2 My niece loves, my niece is obsessed with her. Very strong opinion.
But it makes my niece happy. So I'm like, oh, good.
You know, that's my opinion basically on her. So

Speaker 2 it's funny. No, it's funny you say that.
We were chatting yesterday. Obviously, we knew you were coming on and we were chatting about this.
And I said,

Speaker 2 I feel like, Sam, and please don't feel like this is like a lot of pressure. I was like, I feel like you are like one of the final bastions of comedy right now.
Oh, fuck. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 I said, don't feel the pressure. I specifically told you not to feel the pressure.
Don't feel the pressure. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 your comedy specifically, in my opinion, still exists in a place where everyone feels like it's for them.

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean? You weren't in my show last night at the comedy cellar. Jesus Christ.
I still have rough ones there sometimes. No, no, no, but rough is part of comedy.
I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, no, rough is part of comedy. I mean, like Dave Chappelle taught me, you can go to a show and bomb.
It doesn't matter how great you are. That's part of comedy.
You're working the craft.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that. Yeah.
What I'm saying is your comedy is for everyone. What I mean by this is I've seen somebody who considers themselves Republican, conservative, whatever go, I love Sam Morrell.

Speaker 2 Oh, thanks. I've seen somebody who goes like,

Speaker 2 I'm a full-on liberal, Democrat. I love Sam Morrell.
I've seen someone go, I don't care about politics. I hate both sides.
I love Sam Morrow.

Speaker 2 And I go, oh, man, this guy is keeping something that society is losing more and more of. Well, I said earlier, I don't see that.
I see myself as like an entertainer. So

Speaker 2 my goal is to kill the room and, you know, be. who I am.
Like you're not going to, you know, compromise yourself and pander. But I think the crowd is too smart.
They can tell if you're pandering.

Speaker 2 So you have to just be you. And if it works, it works.
But you know, some sometimes it's not for everybody. I see some shows and I'm like, oh, that joke's not for everybody, but I like it.

Speaker 2 So I'm keeping it. Every once in a while, you get like one or two of those per special.
But

Speaker 2 no, it's hard, man. It's hard to stay true to who you are and still

Speaker 2 connect because you get older and you're kind of just like, I don't,

Speaker 2 I want to do this joke. I think this joke is funny.
I think there's something here. And I'll get stubborn with it and I'll keep hammering it.

Speaker 2 Like, I have some jokes that I think are, I don't want to call them like crowd pleasers, but they're, they're for everybody. They're a little safer.
Those are the hits.

Speaker 2 You need to have those safer jokes to get to the ones. I'm like, this one's a little unsafe.
Is this going to work? I don't, I like this a lot. But, you know,

Speaker 2 it also, it depends on the crowd. Like, I have a whole new chunk on going to Amsterdam and not getting into the Anne Frank house.
They wouldn't let me in. And it was a long story.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I was so mad when they didn't let me in. And then I was like, oh, wait a second.
I'm going to get a bit.

Speaker 2 Whenever something bad happens to me in any way, way, even, that's not even that bad. What happened to Anne Frank was worse, let's face it.
But

Speaker 2 I was upset too. But I had a rat in my home last month and I live on the 14th floor of a nice building.
So I was shocked to see a rat and I was so upset.

Speaker 2 But then I was like, that comedy is the one thing that you're like, I'm going to get a joke out of this. That's the one thing that like.
If I don't get a joke out of this, I suck.

Speaker 2 I'm telling my mom about it on the phone and she's laughing so hard because I'm making jokes about the rat and stuff. And she was like, you'll get a joke out of this.
I said, I'll get a joke. So it's

Speaker 2 it's exciting to to you know write new stuff like i hate bombing but like

Speaker 2 i don't know i still love i love doing this still i get every once in a while i'll do too many shows and i'll get like i'll be like oh i i don't

Speaker 2 i don't i don't want to do a show i hate when i feel that way i try to stay very excited about like so i try to not overdo it so i can stay oh i'm so excited to go on tonight you know speaking of excitement why weren't you lent into the n frank house because it's a hot ticket apparently uh i booked

Speaker 4 i booked the walking tour wait wait wait there's a stay-in tour there's well you can stay inside the closet

Speaker 2 they want they want you to buy they want it's like a house and then there's a parent i didn't know there was a walking tour um

Speaker 2 but yeah i uh

Speaker 2 the line i said to the lady was uh i was i was under the impression she was cooped up i didn't know there was a walking tour damn but uh and i was like oh this is a bit i got a bit cooking so i kept going with it But

Speaker 2 I kept going. And I got a long bit out of it.
But now I'm going back to Amsterdam next month. And I'm like, I better finish.
I want another part to this bit. I want part two.
I get in.

Speaker 2 I posted like a joke how I didn't get in. And the Jewish mafia came after me.

Speaker 2 Amy Schumer, Jessica Seinfeld. They're like, what can we do? I was like, what do you mean? What can you do?

Speaker 2 You have a hookup for the Ann Frank house. They were like trying to help.
I'm like, what? I don't know. All these Jews were like hitting me up.
Like, we must do something.

Speaker 2 I'm like, it's not that big a deal. I'm just making it.
I'm going to go to the Van Gogh Museum. It's fine.
It's not. Yeah, but you see.
Okay, so now let's pause. And this is what I mean about you.

Speaker 2 This is exactly what I mean. It's like

Speaker 2 you have a

Speaker 2 man, it's, it's, it,

Speaker 2 superpower might be the wrong word, but it's almost like let's die with that.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's what I'm saying. The wrong, it might be the wrong word.
Here's what I think it is. You are

Speaker 2 almost less allergic to the things that a lot of people in society are now allergic to. You with me?

Speaker 2 So what I think a lot of people are, I never hear that. So, so we complain about everything.

Speaker 2 But this is what I mean is this is what I mean is you, you go, you don't get into the Anne Frank Museum, whatever. Now, the people around you are responding like, ah, how could this happen?

Speaker 2 There's a reaction. I get that for a second, but then immediately it's like, that's what I mean.
You have more resistance.

Speaker 2 You have to just think like, anytime something bad happens, you think, if I don't make it funny, then I'm worthless. I really feel that way as a comic.

Speaker 2 Like, if I can't make a bad, as you said, like that trans swimming joke, that's not something, that's something that's going to happen to me.

Speaker 2 That's just like an observation, but that's something that hasn't been worked through. So I have to work through my stuff.
Right.

Speaker 2 That's why like a breakup joke, you ever write a breakup joke that's, it's too soon where you're like, oh, that's fun. You're a soul audience.
I guess for both.

Speaker 2 But I'll write the joke and I'm just like, well, this is funny. And then they're just like really sad.
You're like, oh, shit, I think that's funny.

Speaker 2 But like, I remember I had a joke that never worked about my biological father that I thought was really funny. It never worked.
It was about

Speaker 2 how when my dad, who adopted me, he's a great, I love my dad. He's a great dad.
He was technically my stepdad. I just call him dad.
But when you have that adoption, you need to get the signature

Speaker 2 of the biological father. So I said, it's kind of like the opposite of a UPS package.
It's like, here's my signature, and I don't want this.

Speaker 2 Never worked. It just made the crowd sad.
To me, I was like, that's a funny joke. But it just,

Speaker 2 I heard the crowd go, aw. I remember telling my therapist, and he was like, well, and awe means they care about you.
I'm like, I know, but I'm going for a laugh. You want the laugh.

Speaker 4 If I sign this, it means I don't have to take responsibility.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 sign here that's what it did felt like yeah i'm trying to figure out why that wouldn't connect though no because it is funny i'm just trying to figure out why doesn't work like never worked well look it's not a science like sometimes you just like yeah it just never works i think it is a science and i think that's how you treat it yeah uh uh i i no i if it were a science i think i would know before it was on stage no but but that's what science is if you think about it for the most part like science is constantly running an experiment to try and figure out why the thing does or doesn't and then you're trying to narrow down why one element does.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It's process, it's a process of elimination for the most part. So you're going, this causes this reaction.
Is it because of this or is it because of that?

Speaker 2 And you try to, you try to remove what the correlation is. And then you try and figure out if this is causing this or if this is just happening because this is happening at the same time.

Speaker 2 And that's why I think it is a science in many ways. It's a social science, you know.
So you're going, you might find like you change one thing. That's what I love about comedy.

Speaker 2 You change one word in that whole joke. All of a sudden it works.

Speaker 2 You might find changing it from I felt like a UPS package versus it was like a ups package you you you never know what happened i feel like i felt personalizes it too much to me that makes it sadder i felt i i i i try to remove feelings i think when i feel in a joke the joke's not funny i have to be a little numb to it at this point like that's why breakup jokes they hit so much harder like

Speaker 2 six months after as opposed to like a week after because it's too real they're just like oh that's sad you know they they feel for you they're like they feel like they almost shouldn't be laughing sometimes too i think i think they can sense the rawness of it.

Speaker 2 No, that's true. Yeah, that's true.
But what I'm saying is sometimes

Speaker 2 that's what I think is magical about comedy is

Speaker 2 we sometimes don't even know. Like we have an assumption, right, as comedians.
And then we'll do a thing. We've all had that.
You tell a joke and you're trying to get to this part of a punchline.

Speaker 2 And the audience loves like a random thing that you didn't even consider. You don't even realize the words that you're saying are eliciting something.
And sometimes you go,

Speaker 2 why, why are they laughing? What are they?

Speaker 2 I'm sure, have you ever experienced that? And then an audience member goes, man, I loved how you said that. And you're like, oh, I wasn't trying to say that actually.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you stumble backwards into one. That's a gift.
That's a, when that happens, that'll happen in stories sometimes. Sometimes I'll, you ever have like a story where you're like, I know the ending.

Speaker 2 I know what the ending is. Yes.
And now that I know of an ending that works, I can now experiment for like two minutes in between and see what's funny because I don't know yet.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I had, yeah, I had a whole thing about the rat and I didn't know what was funny until I just kept saying it. But I had one of the exterminators kept describing the rats as smart.

Speaker 2 And for some reason, that kept hitting. And I was like, why is that? I guess it is funny to be like complimenting the rodent, but I just kept using that.
I kept being like,

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, the glue traps going to work. They're like, we don't know.
He's smart. And I was just like, oh, my God, it was annoying me so much.

Speaker 2 And for some, like little words, you're just like, I guess calling a rat smart is kind of funny. Especially the exterminator calling the rat smart.
Because for me, it evokes this idea of

Speaker 2 it's like a,

Speaker 2 it's now it's like a trope in a way. It's like they've got this little rivalry amongst them.

Speaker 2 They've got like a, I don't know, like, I just think, you know, Sylvester and Tweety, it's, it's a whole like.

Speaker 4 We've got an understanding and respect for each other's trade. Exactly.
He's smart. He tried to kill me.
Yeah, we do it every day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, you don't know these rats. They smart, man.
They smart. Like, you know what I mean? I got to respect them.

Speaker 2 Well, the annoying thing is I hated the first Exterminator because he was just putting glue traps everywhere. And I was like, what do you get? How many rats did you have? Just one.
But it was, I mean,

Speaker 2 just one doesn't even sound good, by the way. You can't woman.

Speaker 2 You can't really bring a woman home either way. You're like, I just have one rat.
It'll be fine. Close the door.
But, no, it was disgusting. I can't.

Speaker 2 Did you see the rat or did you see the droppings? Both. I saw him.
He was a fat dude, too. Oh, he was big.

Speaker 2 High floor. 14th floor.
Yeah. Look, it's New York City, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 I was asking the building. They were like, yeah, like every building has, has them.
You just got to be nervous about the walls, if there's a hole anywhere they can find. But it's not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they chew through the drywall in america no yeah yeah because we use bricks for most of our housing so there's no but here the rat can just chew through the walls and then

Speaker 2 just like in the cartoons oh yeah like that little yeah oh you want to hear the most violating shit the rat did to me i had one of those camel back backpacks you know with the straw that you sip

Speaker 2 he nibbled the straw down for the water and i was like oh this is so violating i'm so upset because i went to because i would just drink out of it because i would just like walk around you did no i didn't drink after i saw it i just looked i was like oh oh

Speaker 2 i felt so violated by i hated the and my friend had just told me a story i have a friend in la and she was telling me um how she had a rat in her home in la

Speaker 2 and how this is way worse because she was so scared of the rat uh

Speaker 2 she just woke up and the rat was starved trying to nibble her finger and she freaked out in her bed and she flipped over a dresser.

Speaker 2 The rat ran behind it and she just fell on the floor and panicked and kicked the dresser into the rat and smushed the rat. And I was like, that's fucking rat teeth.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then she told me she had another rat. There were two.
And I was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Where are you living? You know, she had a nice place. And she, uh, there was another one and she got it on a, on a glue trap, which is hard because they smell the human scent on the,

Speaker 2 so they, if, if they smell human scent, they're like, oh, I'm out of here. I'm not touching that.
But she just took the other rat on the glue trap and just dropped it in her pool.

Speaker 2 Because she didn't want to deal with it. It was like a Tarantino movie of rats.
Yeah. Oh, it's awful.
But dude, they got it.

Speaker 2 The crazy way they got it was i had two exterminators come by and the second one was like

Speaker 2 he was even worse the first one sucked and the second one it was liz from the comedy seller got me this first exterminator saying liz was the external

Speaker 2 second one it was liz i would trust liz wait but but but no the the he just leaves glue traps anywhere and he wasn't even like confident that's the first one yeah and i was like i was like are these gonna work he's like maybe he's like he's the one who kept calling him smart so i was so annoyed and then uh he's leaving glue traps everywhere and and i'm like will they work he's like probably like probably he was not confident at all yeah and then the second guy who came by i was like i need a better guy because that guy sucked and he was just looking at all of his stuff and he was like no the last guy did a really good job and i was like i called you because i don't think he did a good job so i got two guys who sucked so the guys that eventually got him were five days later and I five nights I had a rat in my apartment and I was devastated going to bed every night because you know like we're night people so I was just like this is this sucks I know he's going to come out soon and um

Speaker 2 on a Sunday morning, I call these guys and they show up with hockey sticks. Three dudes with hockey sticks.
And

Speaker 2 I was like, what's with the hockey sticks?

Speaker 2 They're like, we usually would use people's like, you know, baseball bats or brooms to kill rats if we were at their place, but we just like got our own things.

Speaker 2 So they, three dudes with hockey sticks. I leave because I play in a comics basketball game on Sundays.
And he texts me a picture of a dead rat 10 minutes later. And they found it.

Speaker 2 And I just, and I wrote, you found him dead. and he wrote i made him dead yeah

Speaker 2 damn yeah he they took care of it it's like the mighty ducks of hockey sticks

Speaker 2 i'm surprised

Speaker 2 just imagine how random it is you open your door and there's three guys with hockey sticks dude my doorman hated them they were like uh they were like these guys are assholes i was like how are they assholes i'm like i guess they were like cursing when they came in but i was like i love these guys

Speaker 2 they were cursing and they had

Speaker 2 they were cursing and they all had and they had weapons which i was like he was like why

Speaker 2 are they cursing? I guess at the doorman. They were characters.
They were colorful. I mean, look, you need rough around the edges.
The basic exterminators weren't getting the job done.

Speaker 2 These guys found the rat in 10 fucking minutes. It was incredible.

Speaker 2 I was so grateful. I slept like a baby that night, dude.

Speaker 4 So there hasn't been a rat ever since. No.

Speaker 2 This was like a month ago. I hope there's not.
I mean, geez.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, that was awful. It was an awful experience.
It's just, you know, because.

Speaker 2 You just don't, it's your home. You want to walk around barefoot and feel good, you know?

Speaker 2 It's weird how rats, they are smart, by the way.

Speaker 4 Just generally.

Speaker 2 Do you recognize this guy? No, no, no, but they are smart.

Speaker 2 Sometimes I wish we could just negotiate with what we consider pests. Yeah.
Because rats are really smart. Apparently, they make great pets.
They're really easy to train.

Speaker 2 It's weird when people have a rat as a pet. No, it's weird because we think of rats as weird.
Yeah. I agree with you.
Well, they're filthy. Those are like different types of rats.

Speaker 2 No, but they're not filthy, apparently. Well, that rat was really weird.
Yeah, but here's the thing. Like, humans can also be filthy if you just leave them in the streets.
Hmm.

Speaker 2 You sound like a rat sympathizer, dude. I don't know.
Same guy who showers before going to the gym. Guys, listen.
Listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is,

Speaker 2 the culture, whatever you grew up with, you think that's weird or normal, right? Yeah. So if we grew up with rats, we would think that dogs are weird.

Speaker 2 We would.

Speaker 2 I think we're in too deep with this rat hate, dude. I see him on this.

Speaker 2 I can appreciate celebrity rats, Pizza Rat. He was great.

Speaker 2 Ratatouille was great. Since the Nimbity Rats, Pizza Rats.
I saw a rat in the street last night, and I was charmed by it. I thought it was funny.
He ran, he was like grabbing his food.

Speaker 2 I was like, good, you should be in the street. Okay.
If you're in the street, I got no problem with you. But in my home, no.

Speaker 2 Not in my backyard. No.
Samaril the NIMBY. The rat NIMBY.

Speaker 2 I don't want to. I got no problem with rats in the streets.
You don't bring that rat around my house, not around my daughter. Okay.

Speaker 2 You can marry who you want to marry. This is a a leaf.
You want to marry who you want to marry. Trevor Burrus, the Goebbels of France.

Speaker 4 I decide who's a ride here.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 That was the book, Mouse, weren't they? They were, they were.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes, that is actually what it was. Yeah.
Yeah, you're not wrong.

Speaker 2 You just brought it around because that actually. Ert Spiegelman.
That actually was the book. Yeah.
They were mice. So we were.
Look at that, man. You see, you think this is what comedians do.

Speaker 2 We stumble on some. You know what? By the way, they banned that.
It was some Florida school banned that for nudity.

Speaker 2 Wow. That's one reason to ban it.
they that's why you ban a book about the holocaust uh is a nude uh mouse hmm

Speaker 2 whoever was doing the book banning like they went

Speaker 2 because when you saw some of the books that were banned it almost felt like an ai that didn't know what the banning because they just went like no nudity in kids books right and then this is going back to what you were saying about people

Speaker 2 you remember what i was saying like everyone wins and losses i remember someone was like we shouldn't ban the books and then i asked which books are being banned And someone, the person responding, they were like, It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 I was like, Well, it might matter. I'll just which books are being banned.
And then they're like, Your book was banned. I was like, All right, that I think that's weird.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was like, I think it's weird. Yeah, I don't know why they banned my book.

Speaker 2 No, that's, I was like, I don't know. But I said, Which other books have been banned? And then they, there was like a book that it was like a children's book, but it had like

Speaker 2 dicks out and like boobs. And it was like a weird book.
I forget what the premise of the book was.

Speaker 2 You forgot.

Speaker 2 No, they banned Hustler in children's schools. This is no crazy thing.
No,

Speaker 2 and I remember

Speaker 2 saying, I remember saying, I was like, oh, that's a weird book. Yeah.
That's a weird book.

Speaker 2 You know, kids shouldn't read it. And then a bunch of the other books were not weird.

Speaker 2 And so I was saying, the thing that I didn't like was that no one was able to have like a normal, logical conversation about it was either you're no books should be banned or all books should be banned.

Speaker 2 And I was, and I was going, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Maybe we could just do this on a case-by-case basis.
Maybe we. But it made these books punk rock.

Speaker 2 Like, all those books

Speaker 2 selling out on Amazon. You go to Barnes and Noble, they have a banned book section, and you're like, are they really? They're not really banned.

Speaker 2 If I'm going to, I'm like, where the banned books are like, oh, they're right, right in the front, right here. So it wasn't that.

Speaker 2 It just became like a, you know.

Speaker 2 So it was one of those. Yeah, it was.
That's crazy. I bet it helps sales, though.
I bet they're like, you know.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it did or it didn't, but it's just like, I just remember being like, why is my.

Speaker 2 It was a weird emotional feeling because on the one hand i was angry that my book got banned on the other hand i was like yeah

Speaker 2 but then i didn't know what to be yeah about you shouldn't have put that whole full penetration chapter in the middle dude that's what did it and the punches yeah yeah the sketches didn't help the coloring me and my naked rest

Speaker 2 didn't help at all

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Speaker 2 I want to talk to you about,

Speaker 2 you know, when you're talking about like being adopted and what do you mean being adopted? Well, I wasn't adopted.

Speaker 2 That was just a term that was legally adopted because when my mom raised me for the first few years and then she married who is my dad. So,

Speaker 2 and then I got a stepbrother and stepsister. I just call my brother and sister.
They are. Yeah.
I love that you guys have to say this. Who's you guys? White people.
Oh, shout out to you.

Speaker 2 Because, no, because like in. No, we're grandfathered in.
It's okay.

Speaker 2 No, because if you think about how we grew up,

Speaker 2 it can be like

Speaker 2 a house. You could just grow up in the same house and you don't have to say, I call them my brother.
No, this is my brother and sister.

Speaker 2 I just say that because people look at my, when I'm like, this is my brother, they're just like, you guys don't look alike. I'm like, just fucking go with it.
Oh, yeah, no, no. You move to Africa.

Speaker 2 No one will even.

Speaker 2 You don't, there's no...

Speaker 2 You just go, this is my brother, this is my sister. No one is even allowed to say, but you don't look the same.

Speaker 2 Just keep it moving. So, wait, so

Speaker 2 he legally, my dad's a lawyer. So he was like, I want to take you to court.
I want to make it official. He made it official.

Speaker 2 So, it was like legal, I called it legal adoption, which is just, it's, yeah, it wasn't Oliver Twist. You know, it's

Speaker 2 just

Speaker 2 I didn't know if it was like a No, I had a good childhood. It wasn't, uh, you know,

Speaker 2 you're like the rat you got murdered.

Speaker 2 No, I was just, I was just wondering if it was like, you know, I was like, oh, damn, you got adopted and it was a whole thing and they had to fight for you legally.

Speaker 4 And, you know, wait, so for the first few years, it was just you and your mom?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Then he gets married to your dad. Yeah.
Then it's you, your mom, and your dad for a while.

Speaker 2 And a brother and sister.

Speaker 4 So they came immediately after.

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah,

Speaker 2 they got married when I was probably six or seven. Yeah.

Speaker 4 How many good years did you have before?

Speaker 2 How many good years? The steps came in. Ooh, well, yeah, that is the one thing that's weird, right? You're used to having your mom all to yourself, and then, and then she gets married.

Speaker 2 You're like, hey, you used to watch all my fucking anthics a second ago. Now

Speaker 2 I got to share you with this dad. What the hell?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I remember one time when I was really young, I I wanted my mom's attention so much all the time. I was probably like six.
I just ran into the room and they clearly were trying to have sex.

Speaker 2 And I was just like doing some like thing. And

Speaker 2 I just remember my dad's face just like, oh, gosh,

Speaker 2 like, this kid's such a cock block. What the hell?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you go. You go.
You go.

Speaker 2 I didn't know at the time. I just knew he was annoyed.
I didn't know that. Oh, but you know why he was annoyed.
I was too young to know what sex was.

Speaker 2 I didn't know what it was, but I was, yeah, I was a kid.

Speaker 2 The idea of you just. I was just trying.
Oh, dude, I was a real show kid. I did, at their wedding, I sang, give my regards to Broadway.
No way. I had a top hat on.
No,

Speaker 2 I told you. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 You told me at some point has to wear a top, a hat. You didn't say that.

Speaker 2 You were a film noir. You did say that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but I didn't picture you.

Speaker 2 I know this sounds crazy, but I pictured you as like, also like a dry, witty kid.

Speaker 2 I was, but I love, but I was a New Yorker, so I love, I was very dry. But then for some reason, I was like, they were like, do you want to give a speech at the wedding?

Speaker 2 I was like, no, I'll perform is what I thought.

Speaker 2 For some reason,

Speaker 2 what did you perform? Give my regards to Broadway, the song.

Speaker 2 So I was in a top hat and a cane, and I sang that. Top hat? It was like a paper top hat.
It was like a fake top hat. You would have made it? No, it was like from a party store.

Speaker 2 It wasn't like a fancy top hat. It was like a stupid.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. This is amazing.

Speaker 2 How old are you when this is happening? Probably six or seven.

Speaker 2 Legend. It killed.
Please tell me you have video.

Speaker 2 I got to ask my mom.

Speaker 2 Someone had to. You got to put that in like a special at the end of one of your specials or at the beginning.
You You know what? That's not bad. Think about it.

Speaker 2 That's like an amazing thing to just put in the end or the beginning of one of your specials.

Speaker 2 And I don't know anything about their wedding. They got married the day of the Puerto Rican parade, so they couldn't get any good pictures.
Every picture was just like, they were pushed to the side.

Speaker 2 It was just mayhem in the city.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 it was definitely like, you know. No, I definitely wasn't that type of kid.
It was weird that I did that, but I just love. Oh, so that was out of character.
It was a little out of character.

Speaker 2 I just liked, I had a weird thing where, like, I kind of liked musicals because I was a kid.

Speaker 2 And I was never like a song and dance kid, but I just thought, I was like, oh, that's like a cool New York thing. That's a cool New York song.

Speaker 2 I'm given like a cool, this is like a cool moment for my parents. Clearly, they were like, this is ridiculous, but just let me have the flow.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think I just wanted, I think it was important to be the center of attention. You have that weird comic thing where you're like, I need to like, I need to show off.

Speaker 2 Because my family was very quiet at the table.

Speaker 2 Like my mom and i weren't but my my brother sister and dad were my dad was a little more talky but my brother and sister were very quiet so i was kind of just like you know you're just like you're working stuff out constantly you're like let's i'm used to noise at dinner so i'm making noise i'm making jokes and i think you know i would say like let's see the furthest you want to see the furthest you can possibly go right yeah you want to do they break yeah sometimes i would do really stupid stuff they i was definitely in my mind the lowest brow member of the family like you know my brother and sister were super smart and overachievers, and I was horribly behaved in school.

Speaker 2 So I think I, I was like, I was, how can I get attention? I'm not going to be smarter than them. So I just would be outrageous and I would just say the fucked up thing always.

Speaker 2 And that would break them. And then,

Speaker 2 you know, but you also have that thing you don't realize. You're like, well, maybe I have a low self-esteem because I'm, you know, the, I'm starting to feel like the black sheep of the family.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm, so, you know, you start acting out in school and the teacher's like, why is he doing this? And you're like, well, I just, I'm trying to get attention. So I'm trying to find my lane.

Speaker 2 I don't know what my lane is. So

Speaker 2 you go from being like the bad kid in school to eventually like, how can I turn this? And then eventually I started just getting good grades because they medicated me. And

Speaker 2 that really helped. Oh, they medicated the shit.
While you had the public fun.

Speaker 2 They saw that hat. They're like, that kid's got to be on drugs.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 They, no, they gave me some ADD stuff. I started, I was all over the place.
So I finally started focusing, then getting good grades. And then I was like, okay, let me

Speaker 2 try to get the teachers laughing too. And that kind of went to like, so now my mom got so sad because she thought I was like, I saw myself as this fuck up.
And I was.

Speaker 2 In that point, I was. I was, you know, I just, I was like, I'll be the fun guy.
I'll just get drunk all the time. And you want to be that uncle in the family? Oh, I am.
They have kids and I don't.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm totally that. I mean, I'm not opposed to having kids, but that's where I'm at right now.
I am like the fun, drunk uncle. That's totally what I am.

Speaker 4 I was about to say, I spoke to someone who was in a similar situation as you.

Speaker 4 And they realized when they had half siblings and they had a stepdad, they saw their mom mothering and they saw their stepdad as a dad. And then they felt, oh, observer of the whole family dynamic.

Speaker 4 And they saw themselves as a little bit of an outsider at times.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's interesting. Like,

Speaker 2 it sounds like they watched the family. Yes.
Oh, that's interesting. And they were here.

Speaker 2 You were in it, though. Yeah, I feel like they made an effort.
If anything, I felt like it got weird for my sister for a minute because my dad would be like, let's go out. We'll do guy stuff.

Speaker 2 And I'd be like, why does she get to come? She's not a guy. You know, I was more like, I was like, I'm like, I'm going to make her the outsider, you know? But no, I didn't feel weird.
They were

Speaker 2 inclusive with me. You were just like a full-on.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 keeping with that theme, though,

Speaker 2 do you...

Speaker 2 Do you revel in being the outsider? Because I mean, like, I feel like different comedians have different vibes

Speaker 2 in terms of what it seems like they're trying to do, you know?

Speaker 2 So, some comedians seem like they're trying to stay as the outsider in their act. Other comedians are trying to become the insider in the act.
You know, it's like this is all of us.

Speaker 2 Some comedians are trying to make the audience feel like they're the outsiders and they're the normal. Everyone has, but I never, I never saw myself as an outsider.

Speaker 2 I always saw myself, like I said, entertainer before, like trying to bring the room together, like finding common ground. Like, I always like comics like that.

Speaker 2 And I think it probably stemmed from some thing in my family where I was like, let's like, we're a family now. Let's, let's get on the same page.

Speaker 2 Let's, let's be, let's get a good, if I could get everyone laughing, it felt so good, you know? So, um, so then, how do you, how do you find the balance between

Speaker 2 so, for instance, one of my favorite things I, I, I love of yours is your interviews. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you, if we'll actually play one for this episode, Samaril on a local news station

Speaker 2 somewhere is the greatest thing

Speaker 2 because, yeah, but no. my publicist texts me, you give me nightmares.
Really? I have nightmares when I book you on these because I know I'm going to get an angry email.

Speaker 2 She gets so mad at me. And I'm like, well, then don't work with me.
You don't have to work with me. She's like, no, it's fun.
She admits it's fun.

Speaker 2 But then she's like, she'll get emails from people where she'll be like,

Speaker 2 she'll try to book. I'm like, I bet they don't even remember.
that you represent me when you picture other clients to these shows. And she's like, maybe.

Speaker 2 And then she told me there was some interview I did where I just made up there was a human trafficking problem in Columbus, Ohio. And I wouldn't let let it go for the whole interview.

Speaker 2 And the guy just got so mad by the end. And then she

Speaker 2 messaged him a month later for another one of her clients. And they were like, we'll have your person on, but just, you know, we had this guy last month.
He wouldn't shut up about human trafficking.

Speaker 2 And she had to pretend like, oh, that's horrible.

Speaker 2 I said, I told you, no one knows. No one remembers you.
But she'll get really pissed at me.

Speaker 2 But then she like, it's like the reluctant, like, well, your mom, that's not funny, but she laughs. It's not funny, but I found it funny.
She gets so uncomfortable though.

Speaker 2 She's come to a couple and she's just like oh she's like yeah she's she's so i i don't really get uncomfortable because i i know it's going to be funny so i'm like yeah just fake a just fake that it's fine you know what do you make of the schism that we've seen in comedy and maybe it hasn't even been inside comedy versus how people have seen comedy i feel like over the past maybe it's been 10 years five years i don't know i'm bad with time people have sort of tried to make it they go like there's this comedy and there's that comedy and they try and put comedians in a place part yeah and i don't i remember like like for me because i was on the daily show people automatically just assumed they knew everything about me do you know what i mean they were like okay we know who you are we think we know your politics your beliefs your everything because you're on the daily show it's like presupposed and

Speaker 2 if i would tell a joke that didn't line up with what people thought i was thinking

Speaker 2 then

Speaker 2 the people who were like, let's say on my side, they would go, that was a mistake.

Speaker 2 And then the people who were not on my side would go, Well, I guess every now and again, he can be funny, but the rest of the time he's shit. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 And the craziest moment for me was I did the White House correspondence dinner, and

Speaker 2 it's one of the few places left where everyone is in the same room. Do you know what I mean? They got rid of it too, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, now it'll come back, I think, but it's one of the few places where it's like Fox News is sitting right there next to MSNBC and CNN is sitting right there next to, and by the way, this is something I keep telling people, and I wish more Americans knew about their news, about their politics, about all of these forums.

Speaker 2 They're a lot more friendly with each other than you are with each other. Do you know what I mean? Oh, they know it's a game.
Yeah, but like, I wish people knew this.

Speaker 2 I remember one of the first times I experienced this. I just joined the daily show as a tangent, but still, I was.

Speaker 2 We were on the road in New Hampshire. It was for the primaries.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I remember Hillary Clinton's staff going out for dinner and hanging out with

Speaker 2 man, Lindsey Graham's staff.

Speaker 2 And I remember being like, whoa, don't you guys? And they were like, no, no, they get along and people, they go to dinner. Yeah, we got the night off.
Lindsey's in a hotel room with a guy. So good.

Speaker 2 And they were just like, they went, we get along. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 They were like, we get along. And so any, but anyway, my point is.

Speaker 2 I mean, Trump was friends with the Clintons.

Speaker 2 yeah you know and and i the lock them up thing i i really believe was theatrics i don't think he gave a i think he was just trying to win it was wrestling yeah it was wrestling yeah that's what it was so anyway i'm in that room everyone's there together so now you get to make jokes that everyone can laugh at because if i make a joke that goes that hits biden

Speaker 2 then republicans will laugh if i make a joke that hits trump or fox or what then you know what i mean so i'm telling these jokes the democrats get mad at you when you make too many biden jokes oh completely completely yeah so i did the jokes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Show went really well.
The room, to its credits, had a great time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That week on Facebook, on Fox News, MSNBC, wherever it was, people only had the portion of the set

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 told the jokes that they, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So literally, it was like there was right-wing or conservative or, you know, Republican each group

Speaker 2 on this side going, oh man this was actually quite funny and the other side was like oh man this is actually quite funny but no one was watching the mixed thing

Speaker 2 and I like when I watch your comedy I go I think specifically about like some of the jokes you've done where you you always feel like a reluctant hero for me because people try to make you a hero right a good name for a special yeah that is a great name for your special to be honest because you'll tell a joke and then i'll see people go Sam Morrell.

Speaker 2 That's what I like, man. He's here and he's telling jokes that are great for women.
And finally, he's standing up to the manosphere.

Speaker 2 And Sam's like, I was just telling a joke about my perspective on dating. Oh, I tell this to everyone.
I did. I remember I was at the Kelly Clarkson show, and

Speaker 2 one of the producers was talking to me, trans person, and she was like, oh my God, you're like, I love your joke about trans swimmers. Like, it's one of my favorite.
It's not that joke.

Speaker 2 It's a different joke. It's a joke from a Netflix special that went viral about like, and I was, you know, it was pretty, I just saw so many anti-trans jokes.

Speaker 2 And I was like, my mind is trained to go the other way. Yeah.
I have no bad feelings towards any group in this country. My, my process is what's funny in my head.

Speaker 2 And it's to think differently a lot of the time with a joke. And I thought it was a funny take defending trans swimmers.
Like the angle is basically like, who give? No, you don't give.

Speaker 2 People getting mad. I'm like, you don't watch women swimming.
That was basically the bulk of the angle. But

Speaker 2 I told the person, I said, just so you know, I have a joke in my new special. making fun of one trans person, not all, but one trans person who really hated me.
And she goes, oh, great.

Speaker 2 Like, I was like, I just don't want you to think that I'm like some like savior. I'm literally just making jokes.

Speaker 2 That was literally, I just didn't want to, I don't want to get praise where you think I'm something I'm not. So as I said, I have no problem with anybody.

Speaker 2 I'm good with anybody until a person is an asshole on their own basis, just one person. But

Speaker 2 yeah, like I'll have a joke defending women and then I'll have a joke making fun of women because that's

Speaker 2 what jokes are. I think

Speaker 2 they are no one thing. They're whatever pops into my head at that time.
If something is sound shitty and not like me, I'm not going to tell it. But,

Speaker 2 you know, yeah, I had, I had like eight minutes of Me Too jokes that were pretty pro-women in a special, because to me, that's where my mind was at the time.

Speaker 2 I thought, I heard a lot of guys doing jokes like, you can't do anything with women anymore. And I'm like, really? You're really having a hard time? Like, you just don't rape.

Speaker 2 That's really the main thing. You know, that's what they're pissed about.
Like, it's not that big a deal. So that was when my mind was with the Me Too stuff.

Speaker 2 and i had a story about getting roofied in college it was like a whole thing about you know

Speaker 2 to me it was a hilarious time to be a man because of how low the bar was for men you know so that was when my head was with the me too stuff and then you know it's like you go in phases i have a joke now that like i have to i have to like cut because I think it's women feel it's hitting them too hard.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, damn, I liked it. I just thought it was a funny joke.
Yeah. But sometimes you have jokes where you're like, I like this.

Speaker 2 I have a joke about the WMBA WMBA that's like pretty pro WMBA, but women get pissed at that one. I'm like, shit, I guess I have to cut this one too.
Yeah, but how do you, how do you decide?

Speaker 2 I would love to know how you, how you decide that because you,

Speaker 2 like I said, you, you, you're an honest comic and you're doing your thing, but I'd love to know like how you, how you choose this, especially in a world where everyone's trying to choose it for you.

Speaker 2 It's the batting average has to be high enough that I'm not keeping it just to be stubborn. You know, okay, go ahead.
So look, if

Speaker 2 I like it and it's funny, that's part of it, but it's got to work.

Speaker 2 If it doesn't work, then something's wrong with it as you just said with that as you pointed out with the train thing i think you're right the the swimming the one i said earlier in the thing i think you're right but you know i'll have a joke that i think is really funny and sometimes it'll kill and then you're like i always said if a joke is getting groans in portland oregon you still got like 10 years to tell it in like st louis you know it's still got some you still got some legs to go in in other parts of the country but you're like it's catching up so if you want it to live forever you might you might want to drop it i think uh

Speaker 2 I think,

Speaker 2 yeah, I think you just go with your gut ultimately.

Speaker 2 I have friends who I really trust who, you know, I tour with Gary Viter, and Gary is such a great joke writer. And I'll run jokes by and be like, is this too harsh?

Speaker 2 Because I don't want to ever, I didn't feel those jokes about women were pandering to women. I felt they were honest how I felt.

Speaker 2 And I felt like I can playfully call out men and women because it's, I'm going to have more jokes about women because I'm straight and it's, I date women.

Speaker 2 So my frustration is going to be more with women I date than just with my guy friends who I don't don't really fight with that much but

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 yeah i mean

Speaker 2 some of your relationship jokes are going to have bite and they're going to be like i always think of them like music like it depends on the musician like bob dylan's break colin quinn has this great joke about how bob dylan all his breakup songs are like you like you know uh

Speaker 2 how does it feel to be on your own like they're so angry but you know i'll i listen to leonard cohen a lot and his music his breakup songs are pretty nice they're pretty much like I fucked up.

Speaker 2 That's the tone of it. You know, so it's like, it's, it's over now.
It's like, this is the

Speaker 2 journey. This is the, it's a different type of piece.
So it's really like, where's your mind and where's your heart at?

Speaker 2 Are you still broken or are you kind of healed and now it's kind of funny to you? I mean, I have a joke. Oh, I like that actually.

Speaker 2 I have jokes about exes that I wouldn't, I'm like, oh, I'm not really. I was angry in that moment and it hit, but I was angry and I, and I'm not angry anymore.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of just like, oh, I'm at peace with it now. And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 and absence will make the heart grow fonder. So you, you, you don't think of that when you're in it, you're like, oh my God, all we do is fight.
And then after a while, you're like, ah, she was cool.

Speaker 2 We both have problems. It was a bad, it was a bad match, really.
So

Speaker 2 sometimes you're in those relationships where you're just so frustrated because it's just not, and you like the other person. And when it's good, it's great, but you just can't get along.
And

Speaker 2 you get mad at the other person, but you're like, no, we just weren't right. They're not a bad person.
We just weren't right for each other.

Speaker 2 But in the moment, you can't articulate that. And it just comes out like, fuck you, you know? But after six months, you're just like,

Speaker 2 yeah, I hope, I hope she's with someone who's better, you know? So that sets the tone. Sometimes you need to give yourself time.

Speaker 2 You know? Sometimes you need to give yourself time. Do you ever think

Speaker 4 you wish that your ex is with someone better?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do. For real, for real.
For real. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Me, I don't.

Speaker 2 You hope she suffers forever?

Speaker 4 I wish she's just chilling.

Speaker 2 You hope she's in a wheelchair somewhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then all of of a sudden there's two there's three guys in jumpsuits and three hockey sticks at the door the doorman is upset i'm like how does it feel

Speaker 2 on your own no direction home

Speaker 2 like a rolling man at peace man that's what i feel i feel well yeah

Speaker 2 let's ask the rat that no this is a man at peace i i think you know

Speaker 2 i i i struggle with knowing what the tone for like I'll have jokes hit all the way through.

Speaker 2 I was was in oklahoma over the weekend and i had good pretty good shows i think but then i came and i did an hour at the cellar one of those like pop-up hours fat black pussycat and i was like man some of these are getting groans i don't know why they're getting groans

Speaker 2 and uh

Speaker 2 wait some of the stuff from oklahoma Yeah, some of the stuff that killed in Oklahoma, I'm like, wow, this really killed.

Speaker 2 And now I'm like, well, this, what's got it, to me, I like part of the reason I tour is because I want to make it bulletproof. I want it to be really, really strong.

Speaker 2 But yeah, you do have to make judgment calls at the end of the day and say, is this, is this strong enough?

Speaker 2 I think that's probably one of the hardest parts and one of the most rewarding aspects of comedy is there comes a point when you have to decide

Speaker 2 how many is enough and whether or not you're even trying to go for the majority.

Speaker 2 Do you get what I'm saying? Because

Speaker 2 I think comedy a lot of the time is like democracy in that

Speaker 2 the majority is not always right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's also like the majority is not always right.
Yeah, for sure. You know, like, like, but that's a a dangerous way to think.
No, but I think it's the way we should think. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It is dangerous, but I think it's the way we should think because you go, damn, if just because the most people are laughing at this joke doesn't necessarily mean that I have to believe that it's the best version of the joke.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? And that's what I think is great about it is that it's dangerous and that it's precarious and that is, it's, it's wrong.

Speaker 2 And I always think comedy is like, yeah, it's like playing with nitroglycerin. It's

Speaker 2 man, one wrong move and boom, boom. You know, saying the wrong thing is thrilling.
So that's, that's what I get excited. I get excited when something goes hard.

Speaker 2 Cause also, it's, we're, we're so blessed to get to perform for people that know us at the point. Like I, people ask about like offend.

Speaker 2 I'm like, my crap doesn't really ever get offended because they know who I am and they know that the motives aren't bad.

Speaker 2 They know that all I'm trying to do is make them laugh. So if I, if I miss them trying something new, I tried something over the weekend that fucking bombed.
It was a Harvey Weinstein joke.

Speaker 2 I did a joke about it. It's a bad joke.
It was about how he, how he hit on my friend and then was like a gentleman. He was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
And I was like, you never hear that story?

Speaker 2 And I was like, yeah, because he did the other shit. Like, that was the angle of the bit, but it just didn't really hit.
And, and I was like, all right.

Speaker 2 And they, they're just like, cool, go, go to the next one. They, they want it.
They want me to throw shit at the wall. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They want me to like, they, and I, I find that comedy crowds are so sophisticated now that they like, they know the process. They know that we're all trying new stuff.

Speaker 2 And they actually, every once in a while, they'll be mad. I ran to a guy at a bar recently who goes, I saw you in Dania Beach.
You were just reading out of a notepad.

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, I built it as a workout show. He goes, well, I didn't read that.
And I'll go, I don't know what to tell you. And he goes, the tickets were $40.
I'm like, it's over.

Speaker 2 What do you want from me? This is what I have to do to write an hour. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. You had a bad night at my show.
And he wouldn't let it go.

Speaker 2 My friend was like, what the fuck is wrong with the guy? I don't know. Let's go to another bar.
He was so, I was like, I never, that's never happened. I feel for that guy, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just take a moment to consider it from his perspective, right? You go out on a night. Let's say you bought tickets to like a Taylor Swift show.
Yes.

Speaker 2 You go there, and then Taylor Swift is like strumming on a guitar, but like getting every

Speaker 2 note, tuning it.

Speaker 2 And you're like, what am I doing here? And they go like, oh, yeah, that wasn't like a real show. That's like a, you know what I mean? I get it from his perspective.

Speaker 2 Taylor Swift's like, fuck John Mayer. It's like, oh, too much, too much.
I'm working it out. I'm working the bit out.
Yeah, I'm working the bit bit angry yeah

Speaker 4 Sam is an MMA fighter who met a gym dummy that can talk I was like so you're not punching for real oh that's exactly what I've

Speaker 4 not

Speaker 2 yeah no I saw what she did Saturday so that's what you do I know I and you feel bad too but I also like I thought the crowd was in like I remember that gig and I was like oh no they were into it I thought yeah but I actually think what what that man said to you is the perfect encapsulation what I think has gone sort of wrong with society today.

Speaker 2 And I don't blame society for this. I think the system has put us in a situation where, you know, people love to talk about like cancel culture.

Speaker 2 Or one of the big things people still ask me, I've seen them ask you, they go like, can comedians even tell jokes anymore? Oh, aren't you so bored with that?

Speaker 2 Every time they ask me, I'm like, man, come on. They're like, are people, people are so

Speaker 2 sensitive in here? We're retired. People are so sensitive these days.
Nobody laughs.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, no.

Speaker 2 They're trying to bond with you over that. And I'm like, no, let's bond over something else because I don't care.

Speaker 2 That's what it is.

Speaker 2 It's pretty much never a problem. The only thing that worries me comedically is these tech companies that only care about ad sales muting certain words.
That's what worries me. Oh, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 When I see things like, you know, Instagram and they just bury, like if you say the word Nazi and you're like, oh, but they don't know the context.

Speaker 2 But they know the context, but some AI thing is being like, bury this post. Because you said the word Nazi.
Exactly. Back to the book banning.

Speaker 2 But you're like, okay, but that, so I can't make a joke condemning Nazis. And they're like, well, you, I'm like, well, this is like Nazi shit.
Yeah. You're not allowed to even say it.
So then

Speaker 2 gay. Like, I think think people like, they'll post jokes where they're like, instead of kill yourself, they'll be like, I unalive myself.
And I'm like, so now you're changing speech.

Speaker 2 And this, it worries me that comics will start writing for the algorithm and stuff.

Speaker 2 And I, and I also just think like, you know, they keep moving the goalpost and that's what it doesn't worry me about like, oh, you can't say this.

Speaker 2 My worry is about like them burying like you, you build this following a certain way. That's why I use this thing called punch up a lot now.
That's why I post a lot of my videos because YouTube and

Speaker 2 it's also nice to have like a free speech thing that isn't like some crazed right-wing thing. Like, yeah, I want to fucking be on Rumble.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't want to, I don't want to, come follow me on Rumble. No, just punch-up is cool because it's just like, you know, Instagram or YouTube, a lot of them just bury.

Speaker 2 jokes now that are just like, oh, this isn't aligned with our values. We're not sure what it even means, basically.
It's like, it's like harder than Fallon.

Speaker 2 Like, you used to put a set together for a late night set for like Fallon or one of these late night shows. And they're like, you can't say this.
You can't.

Speaker 2 I remember Nick Griffin, who's one of of the best late night set comics ever. Like, his Letterman sets, I think, are like, go watch Nick Griffin on Letterman.

Speaker 2 You want to see like a masterclass on just joke writing.

Speaker 2 But they made him change a joke of his that I loved where he goes, you know, young women are filled with sugar and spice and everything nice, and I'm filled with anger and semen and shame.

Speaker 2 And I thought that was such like a poetic line. And they made him change it to anger and prozac and shame.
And I was like, Semen, first off, it's a clinical term.

Speaker 2 And secondly, the alliteration made it funnier and flow. I hate when they change Joe, but he's like the king of late night, where it's like

Speaker 2 you got to open with self-deprecating stuff, and he just knew how to suck you in. It was great stuff.
When I was on Letterman, I did a joke,

Speaker 2 and it was, I had a set, and there was one part of the joke that had the word

Speaker 2 maybe, oh, it was Hitler. Hitler was in the joke, in one part of the joke.

Speaker 2 And then there was another part of the joke where I talked about homeless people, like, you know, and it wasn't, it wasn't slamming homeless people at all.

Speaker 2 It was just talking about bumping into a homeless person. And they came to me afterwards and I was like, man, I know the Hitler joke, maybe, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And they came and they were like, hey, listen, we love the set. We just need to change something.
And I was like, yeah, I know. And they're like, yeah, man, we don't want you to say homeless.

Speaker 2 I knew that was coming. And I was like, yeah.
Wait,

Speaker 2 but the person was homeless. I was like, this is not.

Speaker 2 The joke doesn't go against the whole at all.

Speaker 2 They're like, yeah, would you rather, can you rather say like crazy person? And I was like, well, I was like, it's meaner. Yeah, I was like, I don't think the person was crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think they just... They were just homeless.
They're just homeless. Although I would rather be crazy than homeless.
Well. Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait.

Speaker 4 I would choose homeless any day because I can always change my mind.

Speaker 2 How do you know?

Speaker 2 How do you know it's your mind, though? But

Speaker 2 you have a home choice?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you can be temporarily homeless. Yeah.
That's true. But temporarily, yeah, that's the big difference.
Yeah, but you are. You're temporarily homeless until you get a home.

Speaker 2 But they were weird. You're not the first comic I've heard.
They're like, no homeless jokes on Letterman. Yeah, which is a word homeless, though.
They were doing a similar thing.

Speaker 2 They were just going the word homeless. Yeah.
We don't want, and you're like, no, I'm not making a joke about a person being homeless. Do they have homeless sponsors? Like, what? Why are you so mad?

Speaker 2 I don't get it. They had such weird rules on late night, always.

Speaker 2 But I think this is this is the, this is, this is what we experience, maybe in the world of, let's say, late night TV back in the day, and now it's becoming more

Speaker 2 ubiquitous when you look at major tech companies.

Speaker 2 I think it's because we live in a world where corporations are less concerned about the actual issue and more about the appearance of caring about the actual issue. Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 So they don't care about a homeless person. They conduct studies.
They just don't. Facebook, all these like studies, young women are suicidal because they can't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Instagram is one of the worst things. And they're like, are you going to change anything? No, but we conducted the studies.
Yeah. That's it.
Yeah. But the appearance.

Speaker 2 They're like, this is really bad for your brain. Are you going to change anything? Nah, it's fucking, it's entertaining.
No.

Speaker 2 we know guns are a problem are we gonna change anything no no no no it's window draconi we just want to know there's a problem oh yes that's that's all it is and so

Speaker 2 that's why i'm saying what what i think that guy reveals it's like when a woman tells you her problem and you're just like you're just like uh well how can i fix it she's like i just wanted you to listen to the problem that's basically what we're doing with everything in the country that's all we're doing we're just listening to it yeah we're just listening i don't know why you have a problem what i was saying that guy revealed funny enough the one who complained about the notepad he actually revealed what the real problem is context context.

Speaker 2 So when he's saying to you, I didn't read that, I didn't see that. He came to your show not knowing that you're working material out.
Yeah. So to him, the promise that was sold to him was incorrect.

Speaker 2 He didn't have the context. And I actually think that's what's happened to comedy in the world is that anyone who's in a comedy club, for the most part,

Speaker 2 they know that they're in a comedy club. They know Sam Murrell.
They know Eugene Cosa. They know Trevor.
They know that, like, okay, you do a thing.

Speaker 2 But then what the internet does is it strips the context away.

Speaker 2 And then they'll just throw you up there and being like the Jewish mafia and be like, look at this guy and what he said about, you know, and they just take a clip and no one tells you who Sam Marilla is.

Speaker 2 They don't tell you about his family. That's what they did with your White House speech.
I mean, it's become tribal. So it's like, we're living in an echo chamber.

Speaker 2 This is, this is what will make me happy. And the algorithm knows you.
I mean, it's sad when you realize, when you look at your Explore page and you're like, oh my God, this knows me so well.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's crazy. And it's, and it realizes how, oh my God, it's the most mundane shit I've ever seen.
Yeah. Like my whole algorithm is dudes eating sandwiches

Speaker 2 in their car, and then you don't see these because I guess I like watching people eat. It's like a food network type vibe.
I like how you're saying this.

Speaker 2 Like, you're, you're not sure about this of yourself. Like, I guess I like watching people.
Well, I don't think I actually enjoy it, but I keep watching. Are they in a drive-through?

Speaker 2 Are they, do they have a tray? Who was the first one you watched? A lot of people who are just like, we're going to see if this

Speaker 2 sandwich is overrated or underrated. It's a lot of that shit.
And you're just like, all right. And then you just watch them eat it.
Or they'll be like, these are the top restaurants in this area.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I don't, like, like, I like food. I don't think of myself as like an insane foodie, but I guess a lot of my algorithm is like, or old basketball story.
So it'll be like that.

Speaker 2 And or it'll be like Kevin Garnett, like, oh, man, I remember the time we busted LeBron's ass. I'm like, oh, this is my whole algorithm, you know? I sometimes think that we should switch algorithms.

Speaker 2 Like, I wish there was a system where you could say for a day, I just want to be in somebody else's algorithm completely. Like being John Malkovich.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just want to, I just, because I think to your point, we're living in a world now where

Speaker 2 everything,

Speaker 2 that is one thing I do miss, even though it was less convenient. One of the things I do miss about like linear television was that you had to sit through so much shit that wasn't for you

Speaker 2 to get to the stuff that was for you.

Speaker 2 And you'd also find stuff that you didn't know you like. That's exactly what I mean.
So now I'm sitting through

Speaker 2 like Murder She Wrote with my mom.

Speaker 4 Murphy Brown.

Speaker 2 Because I'm trying to get to the comedy. You know, if you asked me as a child, do you like Fraser without me knowing? And I was like, what is Frazier? And you're like, well, it's this New York story.

Speaker 2 And it's this guy in Seattle. Sorry.
And he's a therapist. And this guy works on a radio station.
And the dad, I'd be like, and his brother's just basically him times 10. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'll just go like, I don't, I don't think this is for me. I would be like, listen, man, I'm eight years old.
I don't think any of this is for me.

Speaker 2 But when I think of Niall and that whole family, just because I had to sit through it, it became, do you know what I mean? It became like my thing.

Speaker 2 It's incredible that he was just like out of his mind, whacked out on drugs the first few seasons.

Speaker 2 And he's still Kelsey Grammar and he's just bringing it still like oh wait i thought you meant the character no no no kelsey grammer was just on drugs oh man seasons like and they had they gave him interventions and stuff oh he was killing it though oh he's unreal i mean he's like one of the best sitcom actors ever oh yeah easily but uh but yeah they they became it again

Speaker 2 oh he was killing it good for no he's he's a phenom obviously but then what did he stop did he yeah he got sober oh

Speaker 2 the cast was like really loyal to him yeah it's it's crazy and then the show got cancelled no it made it like 13

Speaker 2 what was it 13 you know those stories where it ends like that. And then the cast came together, like, Kelsey, you can't do this anymore.
And then he stopped. And it wasn't funny.

Speaker 2 And they got canceled. They're like, all right, Kelsey, I'm going to need to take some of this shit right here.

Speaker 2 He brought a bag. That would be great, though, if he got sober and he just really, yeah, wow, you're really, you got to get back on this.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 You just got to, yeah, no, this is not working for us. Do you see yourself getting into film TV? I've written a bunch of stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I wrote.

Speaker 2 For yourself to be in? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm making a movie with Gary Viter. It's like a mockumentary.
I'm filming it now.

Speaker 2 It's like spinal tapping about my tour. It's pretty fun.
We got a lot of funny cameos in it. I'm really pleased with it.
And then I wrote a movie with Mark Norman.

Speaker 2 Hopefully we're going to film next year. You guys are funny, man.
I love Mark. You guys are like funny, funny.
I love that, dude.

Speaker 2 And then we have,

Speaker 2 I wrote, dude, it's very hard to make shows.

Speaker 2 I wrote a show.

Speaker 2 That I got Brian Cox, the actor, attached to, and he's to play my dad. And we're basically, we're still having a hard time selling it.

Speaker 2 But I love, I wrote it with Mike Lawrence, who's an incredible writer, just like a phenomenal writer and we'll see if we can sell it but it's uh i mean just getting brian cox to be like yeah i love this script i'm in it's crazy to see him on pitch calls too because his presence is like unmatched it's the brian cocks so much brian cox brian cox yeah succession brian cox yeah you think his first project after succession we could would be a slam dunk but they're i guess they're looking at my face they're like i don't know uh but i i think the script is amazing i think that's how we got him so uh i hope i hope we figure that that out.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's, I mean, that will be amazing. But I was so angry during pitches how long, because, you know, these companies, like these people don't work.

Speaker 2 Like you're like setting a meeting with a company and they're like, cool, can you meet next month? And you're like. Yeah, I guess next month, sure.

Speaker 2 And then they're like, oh, shit, they're out on vacation this week. And I'm like, all right, next week, like, next week, we're actually closed.

Speaker 2 And then they're like, okay, well, how about the day after? They're like, well, that's MLK Day. We take that whole week off.
And you're like, all right, how about next year? Can we push next year?

Speaker 2 So we did that. And it was literally.
And then on top of that, you take like a month month to hear after that. So, so you, and I'm so, I'm a doer.

Speaker 2 I'm not, so that's why I'm making my own thing with Gary. We have, I think that movie's really good.
But then

Speaker 2 during the time, I was so angry that no one was doing this. I was like, I'm going to write another movie.
So I just wrote a movie about like a basketball comedy.

Speaker 2 So I think I'm going to try to do some of that next year. I'll just, I'm going to tour a little less next year.
I'm burnt out from. touring on

Speaker 2 how many dates do you did you do i don't know how many i did this year i did like 50 in the first three months on the two bus that's a hell of a lot.

Speaker 2 And then I'll do like weekends here and there just to kind of keep it tight. But yeah, so I'll do like theaters the first half of the year, but I'm doing some clubs again.
I'm doing Europe coming up.

Speaker 2 So I'm pumped to go back to Europe. Then like Chicago, New York, just stuff like that to, you know, do like fun shows.
But

Speaker 2 I do, I do a lot of the road. I'm surrounded by comics who are just psychos.
So when you come up with Mark Normand and guys like that who are just like, they never take a night.

Speaker 2 I'm a graphic non-stop. Oh, if I don't do four sets in a night, am I a piece of shit? I don't, maybe.
I don't know. So you're surrounded by these kind of psychos.

Speaker 2 It motivates you for sure. Oh, man.
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 I'm excited to see like where it goes, how it goes, because it's been fun watching.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I said this to you the other day when we're talking. I said, something a lot of people don't get about comedy.
This is just my opinion, but is.

Speaker 2 A lot of the time people will go, they'll say to me, like, oh, that comic is funny. And that comic isn't fun.

Speaker 2 And I go, no, no, no. Sometimes I think what you're missing is

Speaker 2 the time is just meeting up with the comic and their talents. Do you know what I mean? Louis C.K.
was funny forever. And then something in and around the recession connected with him.

Speaker 2 And people were like, this is my guy. And this feeling connects with me.
And then they rolled. It was him talking about his kids.
Exactly. He broke him.
Exactly. And then Kevin Hart was funny forever.

Speaker 2 And then something connected around that time. And people are like, this is the guy.
So I feel like there's so many comedians where people will tell a comedian, I don't know, or no, they're funny now.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. No.

Speaker 2 Now is just catching up to their funny and i feel like we're witnessing your nowness no and i'm so nice no but i mean this genuinely i i love comedy i'm not i'll tell you this it's not even about niceness i'm just i love comedy i love comedy so much yeah no i i i love what we do i mean i feel very fortunate like i i am excited i'm almost always excited to work which is pretty cool yeah i'm always and like even writing i get pretty pumped to look over stuff.

Speaker 2 I don't really feel drained from what I do. And that's why people are like, why don't you take more time off? I enjoy it.
I really do like it.

Speaker 2 I understand I have to do other stuff just to live, to have stories, but I'll do.

Speaker 2 So many of my best bits are me making a terrible, drunken decision that led to a night of regret. And I'm like, oh, that's a bit.
That's a story. So I'll still do that.
I just think, you know,

Speaker 2 it's hard to not work when you love what you're doing. Yeah, you found your purpose.
And I love, I love going up.

Speaker 2 And part of why I'm always at the comedy seller, just like, oh, I just, I live walking distance from there.

Speaker 2 It's, it's fun to just,

Speaker 2 you know, go up and just be like, let me try these ideas. Well, you know what's funny is people will often, not like the broader, but some people might judge a comedian for that.

Speaker 2 They'd be like, you're always there. Yeah.
I remember once saying this to them, they're like, you're always at the cellar. And I was like, yeah, you're always in your office.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Every day, Monday to Friday, you are at the office from eight until five. And I'm only there for 15 minutes.
What the hell are you doing?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I might be here every day for like 45 minutes, an hour, two hours at most. It's like, yeah, you relax.
You know what I mean? This is your office.

Speaker 2 And you love it at the same time. Yeah.
You're touring like crazy, right? I've slowed down now. So I spend more time in South Africa.
I've slowed down. I uh, because you know what it is:

Speaker 2 there's an interesting thing that happens,

Speaker 2 and it can happen to you anywhere in the world, but America is very good at amplifying this:

Speaker 2 gun violence.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 Is

Speaker 2 America's the land of more. Yeah.
Right. So if you can do 50 dates, you want to do 60 dates? Yeah.
You want to do 70 dates? You know, we can add a second show that night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you think about a third show? Have you ever done those?

Speaker 2 How many?

Speaker 2 You know, afternoon shows have gotten real popular. You could do a 1 p.m.
and then a 5 p.m. And the thing I've learned is

Speaker 2 one of the reasons America is the economic powerhouse of the world is because it's the land of more.

Speaker 2 Like quarterly earnings, get that money up, pump that thing, get it going.

Speaker 2 But I also think one of the reasons it's, you know, one of the most like depressed, violent, and unequal places, despite how much money it has, is because it's the land of more.

Speaker 2 So the thing I'm trying to search for in life is that balance, like you're saying, I don't ever want to hate comedy because I chased the money side of comedy and not the comedy side of comedy because none of us here got into it.

Speaker 2 for the money originally. There wasn't the money.
Remember that time? I started.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was like, I was so satisfied to be just like a guy who played clubs on the road it's the best feeling in the world i was i was just like looking at people who had that career and i was like that would be amazing it's the best feeling in the world yeah because i remember the first time you started headline you're like this is amazing it's my show i get to you know it's so cool so yeah i

Speaker 2 the money is great but uh

Speaker 2 and obviously you know

Speaker 2 there is that fear that it could it could go away and and all that stuff but uh

Speaker 2 but yeah no it's it's so freaking fun that's i mean i i i think comedy movies are fun. I love movies.
So I want to do, there's other stuff I want to do, but stand-up is always going to be number one.

Speaker 2 Stand-up will be the base. Yeah.
Hopefully,

Speaker 2 if we leave this earth before seeing you make some sort of noir comedy slash something slash something.

Speaker 4 Or play Luigi Mangioni.

Speaker 2 It would have been a good thing. Oh, dude, I'm not in good enough shape for that.
Come on. That kid was rich.
I mean,

Speaker 2 that's the whole point, the transformation. The transformation? I think I'm too old, too.
No, that's the transformation. Come on, we got AI.
Come on, man. Oh, yeah, but we saw that in the Irishman.

Speaker 2 That was rough.

Speaker 2 We don't want to see old ass Sam shooting a guy. All right, before we wrap up, give us a list of movies we got to watch.
Everyone says this about you. They go, Samarill, the movie bus.

Speaker 2 I just like movies. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't say that.

Speaker 2 You are like

Speaker 2 a savant when it comes to. You don't just like movies.
I like movies. I'm the kind of guy who'll recommend leatherheads.

Speaker 2 I just like movies. You know movies.
Give us five movies we have to watch. Okay.
So what's the one you said on the bus that everyone started on? Oh, that was called The Big Heat. Okay, The Big Heat.

Speaker 2 It's a cool movie. It's like a copper, copper, unhinged cop revenge movie.
And this actress, Gloria Graham, is in it as well. And she was like an awesome actress of her era.

Speaker 2 She's in It's a Wonderful Life. She's

Speaker 2 in this great Humphrey Bogart movie called In a Lonely Place. And she's famous for banging her stepson and then marrying him.
In real life. In real life.
And that got her

Speaker 2 basically thrown out of Hollywood, but she's a great actress. Cancel culture.
Yeah. Damn.
Yeah, dude. She was,

Speaker 2 she was, she was a wild one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's more than just a wild one.

Speaker 2 Big Heat's a good movie. Banging your stepson is more than just a wild one.
I'll go another old noir. It's from the 40s called Double Indemnity.
That's like the prototype. Okay.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's perfect. It's like 90 minutes.
I love a 90-minute movie, tight script, hard, hard killer dialogue. Okay.
And yeah, it's Fred McMurray, Barbara Stanwick, and you got to know Edward G.

Speaker 2 Robinson. I mean, old school, like talks like this, shit, like that talk.
Love that. Sonny.
Yeah. And I'll give you one more noir from those old ones.

Speaker 2 ones just go i just love these movies because the the scripts are airtight and for a movie to stand the test of time like 80 years or whatever old to me you have to have such a tight script and has to and it has to be relevant you know like

Speaker 2 it has to hit in the feelings of like you know uh morality that haven't changed so out of the past is a big one for me robert mitchum awesome movie I now I'll go a little more modern.

Speaker 2 Let me think modern. Fuck.

Speaker 2 Should I go all noir? Just go all. Okay.
Get all Just get sick. We have 59.
That's like the 90s that not enough people have seen. Sam Raimi movie called A Simple Plan.
I love that movie.

Speaker 2 That's from the 90s. That's an awesome one.
Who's on it? Bill Paxton, R.I.P.

Speaker 2 Great actor.

Speaker 2 He was in a lot of movies.

Speaker 2 Billy Bob Thornton, Bridget Fonda. Good cast.

Speaker 2 Billy Bob's unreal in it. It gives this monologue in it that you're like, fuck, it breaks you.
It's so good.

Speaker 2 And I'll go another shit, man. I'll go.
This one's kind of obvious, but I love it. Fargo, killer.
Okay. That one.
All right. I love that one too.
I've seen one.

Speaker 2 You've seen Fargo? Yeah. Fargo's killer, right? At least I've got one.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 This is good. I've got a 15-hour flight coming up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. You're going to do it.
Yeah. Hell yeah.
I'll send you some more if you want. Yeah, we'll take them.
Yeah. Man, come join us again.

Speaker 2 I'd love to, man. It's great talking to you.
Thanks for coming through. Thanks for being sweating.
My pleasure.

Speaker 2 Can I tell you? Carnegie Hall, December 4th. Do you have like a website? Yeah, samaril.com slash shows, shows.
Or you could just go to punchup.live slash samarail. Okay.
Everything's there.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I'm all over London, Dublin, Paris. Which one of these has a notepad and which one doesn't? None of them.
I'm

Speaker 2 not locked in right now. There's no notepad.

Speaker 2 I don't want the same thing to happen to me. It's a locked-in show.
All right. No notepad.

Speaker 2 I've never been to a lot of these places. I've never been to Berlin.
I've never been to Milan. I'm doing shows these places.
So I'm pumped. Oh, you're going to love Berlin.
I'm pumped.

Speaker 2 You're going to love Berlin. I'm excited.
That's one of my favorite places to do comedy. I'm excited.
Yeah, I'm all over.

Speaker 4 Do you have any recommendations as to where he could go in Berlin?

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's a sex club. Go hang out.

Speaker 4 I feel like that's perhaps a nightlife

Speaker 4 kind of excursion where he might.

Speaker 2 Oh, Berghain. Oh, there.
Is that the sex club? Have you heard of it?

Speaker 2 I don't think to call it a sex club is to is to diminish it.

Speaker 2 It's focusing on the aspect of it that is the most shocking to most people. Gotcha.
But Berghain is also arguably the best nightclub in the world.

Speaker 2 I think they've won the award for best sound system 10 years running, running, maybe more. Stands to be corrected.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but like easily, it was one of the best sound systems because it's perfectly in phase. So you don't even realize how bad most sound systems are when you go out

Speaker 2 because the sound is just loud.

Speaker 2 And then the sound system at Berghain is so perfectly tuned that you can have a conversation like this while the music is like thumping away because the sound waves are perfect. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 It's like perfectly caribou. The room is measured.
Everything. Any DJ you talk to in the world who's like a DJ DJ, they go, man, playing at Berghain.
Bergheim.

Speaker 2 Because people will go there to dance from Friday night until Monday, Monday night, I think. It goes, yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you a dancer? Oh, I love it. I'm not really a dancer.
Oh, no, no, go. It doesn't matter.
If you can get into Bergheim, go. Like, if you can get in, go.
But you might not.

Speaker 2 It's a tough.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's not a tough door because it's fancy. It's a tough door because they're just like, nah, you're not going to fit the vibe.
Yeah, I'm probably not going to fit.

Speaker 4 What's the vibe inside there?

Speaker 2 The vibe is just whatever.

Speaker 2 It started as a, it was like a gay club originally. and then like it was just like very free and non-judgmental.
And then

Speaker 2 I just, I think they want to maintain that. They're just like, yo, don't, don't come judgy vibes here.
Don't come.

Speaker 4 Sam would fit right in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you would actually. He's a non-judgy guy.
He just wants to have a job. Don't judge at all.
Yeah. Just go ahead.

Speaker 2 I mean, I judge a little, but it's one of like I pick apart, but then I'm like, nah, but you're good. That's usually where I'm at.
That's fine. But it would also fit in there.

Speaker 4 A photographer. Based on what he did in the past.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 Don't remind me. We'll hot box that.
When you find out what happens at Berghind, you'll understand the little nugget this man left you with. All right, Samurai.
Thank you, man. Appreciate it, buddy.

Speaker 2 Thank you guys.

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