Talking "A Man on the Inside” w/ Mike Schur, Mary Steenburgen, Mary Elizabeth Ellis, and Lilah Richcreek Estrada

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Speaker 3 It's a story of a guy whose life is, his wife passed away, and his life is getting very small. And for some reason, he just follows this instinct.

Speaker 3 He answers an ad in the paper that says, wanted like man 75 to 85, good with technology.

Speaker 2 So funny.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to Where Everybody Knows Your Name. Something that gets brought up on this show a lot is my work with Mike Shur on A Man on the Inside.

Speaker 1 It's been one of my greatest joys, especially getting to act with my wife Mary Steenbergen in season two, which is streaming now on Netflix.

Speaker 1 Recently, we did a town hall event about the show with castmates and colleagues at the Sirius XM building in New York City.

Speaker 1 They include Mike Shur, Mary Elizabeth Ellis, Lila Rich Creek Estrada, and of course, Mary. It was hosted by Ron Bennington, who is fantastic at his job.
And I am so glad to share with you here.

Speaker 2 The two in the back should be fired. They didn't really clap that.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Just point them out immediately, Ted. This is the real tip, by the way.
This is who

Speaker 2 fired that person. I thought he meant us.
he meant us

Speaker 2 every time he comes on those two yeah yeah did i cover up my

Speaker 4 mary and azabeth you always feel like you're walking on edge eggshells oh yeah he's a monster he's a monster we've always thought mike shore what a team you've put together again how's it feel to have yes

Speaker 2 yes

Speaker 3 um it's a great group of people merry uh mary steenburgen joined us for season two which was a really big deal yeah um

Speaker 3 but in addition, we also have uh Max Greenfield and Jason Manzoukas and Lisa Gilroy and Gary Cole and the uh Jill Talley, like a huge, huge number of new people in the second season that really made the show super fun.

Speaker 4 David Strathairn, yeah, he's unbelievable, right? To just move in and be a different kind of the same character, yeah.

Speaker 3 I well, he specifically, David, yeah. I mean, it was very funny to um, to have him on the set because you know, he showed up and he did his first scene, and everyone was like, oh, that's a real actor.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 You just

Speaker 3 said we all have to actually try hard now because a real actor has joined the cast.

Speaker 4 Well, is there always somebody in always all the shows that you've done? Do you look like one actor will go, okay, everybody, this is the way we treat this show?

Speaker 3 Because all your shows are comedies, but very different from each other yeah i mean in this case i all joking aside it's ted like ted ted being the the when the number one on the call sheet is takes the show and the project seriously and and is so like is on time every day and works hard and knows their lines and cares deeply about what they're doing it sets the tone for everybody else i mean my first job was the office and steve corell was like that and then it was parks and recreation amy poehler was like that and and andy samberg on Brooklyn, and Andre Brower on Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 Like, there are when the person who's at the top of the call sheet takes the show like seriously and really cares about it, just means everyone else falls in line. And that there's it's invaluable.

Speaker 3 Like, there's nothing beats it.

Speaker 4 Well, why don't we have you take you through this cast here and tell us what each person brings to the table?

Speaker 2 You have to remember our names.

Speaker 5 I'm Mary Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you could all actually say your name

Speaker 5 and what you do.

Speaker 3 Well, okay. When we were making the show, it started with Ted.
Ted was, we went to him,

Speaker 3 said, you know, we wanted him to play the part and he signed on. Then we quickly needed his daughter because a big part of the show was about this man trying to sort of.

Speaker 3 you know, reconcile with his daughter. They had sort of a strained relationship.
And Mary Elizabeth just came in and auditioned and it was unanimous.

Speaker 3 I think it was just a, they seemed like a father and a daughter, which is maybe a silly thing to say, but it was really true. They just had like a lovely rapport and they

Speaker 3 did.

Speaker 3 Then we had, we needed the private investigator who,

Speaker 3 who, you know, hires Charles to work in her firm. And Lila,

Speaker 3 it was the perfect combination of like her comedic timing is impeccable, but also she just seemed like a, she seemed like that could really be her job.

Speaker 3 You know, like she seemed like she, oh my God. Yeah.
It was, she just seemed like a

Speaker 3 serious person who cared about like cracking cases. And I had this image in my head.
We actually went back and shot this.

Speaker 3 Remember, we, it was not in the script originally, but I was like, oh, what this needs at the beginning of the first season was a shot where Lila.

Speaker 3 in like a long dark overcoat is just like looking around to make sure no one's looking and then brings a camera up and just goes

Speaker 3 and i was like if we just if it's a five-second shot like that that of her with her like dark hair tumbling over her shoulders and a long black coat, just takes clandestine photos of something, you'd be like, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 That's a private investigator.

Speaker 3 And then this year, you know, we needed a love story for Charles, for Ted's character. And we,

Speaker 3 you know, immediately, obviously, thought of Mary. We, I think we, I,

Speaker 3 I can't remember. I wish I could remember exactly where it was, but I believe we talked to her about doing this before the first season was even over.

Speaker 3 I think before we had finished shooting, she was on the set. And I was like, Do you would you want to play?

Speaker 3 Would you want to like really stretch yourself as an actor and play someone who

Speaker 3 likes TED dancing?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But it is interesting that, of course, you have a long relationship, but now you have to meet and be flirtatious with each other. Are you guys playing?

Speaker 4 Are you thinking as the character, but also knowing your own backstory?

Speaker 6 Well, it's the opposite of what

Speaker 6 I just did last week or a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 6 I'm not going to say anything about kissing,

Speaker 6 which is

Speaker 6 act romantically with an actor I didn't know at all, right?

Speaker 6 So that's normal. actually,

Speaker 6 though it's a weird thing about my life, but it's a normal thing about this job.

Speaker 6 But what we had to do was unlearn 32 years of wow you know of knowing each other and that was a fun challenge to like and and also i part of it is made easy by the fact that the writing is brilliant but also that he made our characters really different you know so you just you can describe how

Speaker 2 actually the opposite

Speaker 2 no no really reaction it was much easier because I'm madly in love with her. She knows I'm in love with her.
We're married. I don't know.
We, you know, we're bonded at the hip.

Speaker 2 That it was easier for me to

Speaker 2 do the pretending to falling in love because normally that situation of how do you do high? And now we're going to pretend to be intimate or whatever horrifies me.

Speaker 2 You know, and it's confusing and weird and wrong. So I was able.

Speaker 2 All you see, all you see on my face, oh my darling, is guilt. Right.

Speaker 2 Guilt.

Speaker 3 That is your problem.

Speaker 2 So it was great to answer your question. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, Mary's still glowing from Vancouver.

Speaker 4 She hasn't let go of that yet.

Speaker 2 You notice the adjectives glowing,

Speaker 2 hair tumbling. I can't do it.

Speaker 2 I'm calling JJ. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Ted, you even bring a little slapstick in this year.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Really been fun.

Speaker 2 Actually, I was thinking about that. My slapstick is really Ted trying to run as best he can

Speaker 2 at age 78.

Speaker 2 So that means I scurry close to the ground. So I'm closer to the ground if I trip and fall.

Speaker 2 But yes, it was much fun to do that.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 4 Well, what I also think is great about the romance in this, if this show was done 25, 30 years ago, it wouldn't be, look, isn't this funny? Those two people think they're falling in love like kids.

Speaker 4 But now, I think the way the world has moved, this is a natural thing. We don't expect an age 65 or 70 to turn off our lives.
And

Speaker 4 in the old days, that was like, okay, you did a great race. Go sit over there for a while.

Speaker 2 I love that about everything Mike does, basically, is it's purposeful, at least talking about this man on the inside. It's purposeful that we're talking about age.
And, you know, you don't give up.

Speaker 2 You don't have a shelf life as far as contributing to the world and being nurturing and caring and loving and hopeful and curious and all those things. Keep going, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Keep going until you can't go. And you do.
There are second chances in life. So, you know, keep your eyes open.
Sure. Kind of thing.
So I love that

Speaker 2 message.

Speaker 4 Well, I also think that all of us can remember that our grandparents got older earlier.

Speaker 4 I mean, I remember Sunday dinners and looking at people 40 or 50 and their legs not working.

Speaker 2 There's no way to fix it, you know.

Speaker 4 And they've kept us healthier longer. So now,

Speaker 4 you know, so now what do we do?

Speaker 4 And also, I want to bring this up with Lila, too. It was like you're talking about the way she was last season.

Speaker 4 But this season, we see she's just as vulnerable with these generational things as everybody else. And I think that's one of the most interesting parts of the show is that it is

Speaker 4 one day at a time to keep these relationships together.

Speaker 4 Laila, was this more fun for you to have some of that extra backstory?

Speaker 7 Yes, for sure. I mean, I love Julie, period.
She's was so fun to play last season when, you know, intentionally nobody knew anything about her because that's how she wants to be seen.

Speaker 7 But yeah, to show that she's actually human and is messy and does not have it all together, knowing how much she hates that

Speaker 7 was really, really fun to play. And

Speaker 7 yeah, and getting to do a whole storyline with my mom,

Speaker 7 they all know, but I, and I started shooting season two right after becoming a mom. I was five and a half weeks postpartum.

Speaker 7 So that added just like a whole other layer to think about and made it, I think, a lot deeper and richer and complex. And yeah,

Speaker 7 I think it's fun. She's, Julie's very human.

Speaker 4 And Mary Elizabeth, the same with you. Your character is stuck with trying to connect to the kids at a certain age and your dad at a certain age.
And it's really hard.

Speaker 4 And it's really more heartbreaking than any of us understand with each other because things aren't said or finished and all of us deal with it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, one of the things we talked about in season one that continues through season two and will, you know, keep continuing is that

Speaker 5 idea of being like the sandwich generation, right? Where you're taking care of your kids and you're also taking care of your parents and then you get put on the back burner. And in season two,

Speaker 5 my character Emily gets to look a little bit more at her own grief of losing her mother. Season one, she was taking care of her father's grief.
And also,

Speaker 5 wait a second. I'm doing this thing that I didn't actually intend to do.
I just sort of found myself here. And Mona comes in and just like starts throwing firecrackers at everybody.

Speaker 5 And she jumps up, Emily, and is like, wait, I do have dreams that I'm still interested in achieving. And so it was exciting to get to explore that.

Speaker 4 And also, you know, as far as being looking at your dad that way is because there's something weirdly

Speaker 4 more sad about a widower than a widow. Like it feels like women are raised to be the survivors, but when a man loses his wife, it's just like, now what? You know, now what?

Speaker 4 And that's where the show started

Speaker 4 last year. And it's been amazing to see that move along.

Speaker 4 Mary, your character having that thing of...

Speaker 4 it's time to go write the song no matter what else is happening uh which is such a unique character that we've never seen before in a show show, but you do have some of that with music, right?

Speaker 6 I do. I have a weird,

Speaker 6 it's less weird now because it's become a part of my life because I'm getting, I think it's 18 years of having what at the time felt like a brain disorder, but I had a little surgery on my arm.

Speaker 6 They, they let my uh blood pressure get too low and I had some kind of a little brain event that resulted in me hearing the world differently. It's, you don't think about the sound of your brain.

Speaker 6 You think about your thoughts until your brain doesn't sound like itself anymore. It sounds like an overscored movie.
And so

Speaker 6 it's hard to describe, but I eventually kind of found a way to. to make it work for me.
And now I write music and I collaborated with Mike and several other people and we write a song.

Speaker 6 I won't spoil what this song does or is, but

Speaker 6 well, no, we could say it.

Speaker 6 We could say we wrote this song that Mona was quite famous for when she was young.

Speaker 4 Yeah, which would have been early 70s type of timeline.

Speaker 3 Yeah, very late 60s, early 70s. Yeah, it's we we have we play a little bit faster than you.

Speaker 3 No, that was the funniest thing was that we had to, the backstory was that Mona

Speaker 3 wrote a song that was like a one-hit wonder, and she played at Woodstock when she was 18. And the math of that meant that we had to make her character older than Mary really is in real life.

Speaker 3 And so she has a life

Speaker 2 where she's like, come on.

Speaker 6 By the way, it's by two years, but they made him younger.

Speaker 2 So then I'm like, how come he's younger and I'm older?

Speaker 3 When she asked me that on the set, I knew that there was an answer, but I went blank and I was like,

Speaker 3 and then a couple of minutes later, I was like, no, no, no, there's a reason. There's a reason.

Speaker 3 But it's a sort of like one of those like sort of groovy late 60s, early 70s, like mamas and the papas songs. And

Speaker 3 we,

Speaker 3 so David Schwartz, who is the composer for the show and his daughter, and then a composer.

Speaker 2 Troy Vurgis.

Speaker 3 Troy Vurgess and we all collaborated and like actually wrote and recorded the song. And I got to say, it's a good song.

Speaker 2 It really is. I'm like super into it.
I just had to cut it a little. I wish you heard the whole one somewhere.

Speaker 6 I know.

Speaker 3 It's a very, it's like, I think we play it in the credits at the very end.

Speaker 2 Oh, good.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's like a very fun, poppy song.

Speaker 2 Listen for it on serious.

Speaker 2 It makes, even though you hear it later, totally believable. Yeah.
That her story was that she, you know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it sounds like one of those, one of those like one-hit wonder songs that you like on the, in the old days, it would have been like the time life's, you know,

Speaker 3 20 CD set kind of thing.

Speaker 4 KTL.

Speaker 3 cake but yeah exactly yeah um so and mary gets to perform it at a certain point in the season the name of the group though the name of the band was lavender highway lavender highway

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 4 very much uh canyon canyon yeah

Speaker 4 but you were not very musical before that never no not at all no now i have interviewed so many literally the greatest songwriters of all time

Speaker 4 um you know brian wilson Robbie Robertson, it goes on and on.

Speaker 4 And I've never heard any one of them take credit for the song. They'll always say it came in.
Right. You know, I'm out there every day, but sometimes it comes in, it drips in.

Speaker 4 It's like I have an antenna. We can't really explain it, but all of them try and then it doesn't become this national thing where we all believe it.

Speaker 4 But it's about as close as we can come to spirituality, right?

Speaker 6 Divinity. Yeah.
No. I, so I don't think of it.
First of all, it, it wasn't so much a talent that came to me. I got an obsession.
Right. And so the obsession led to just working.

Speaker 6 Like I studied music and songwriting. And

Speaker 6 I still have trouble reading music. It's easier for me to just hear and sing what it is I'm hearing.

Speaker 6 And also the story of this song is really important to me because I feel like that's so connected to acting it's like always telling stories but I sort of feel like it I had a grandmother that was extremely musical she could play any instrument and I just feel like maybe somehow my brain that little channel to her opened up I don't know I've talked to brain people about it and there's a book Yeah, there's a book called musicophilia that Dr.

Speaker 6 Oliver Sachs wrote that as soon as it happened, people started sending me this book.

Speaker 6 But it's like

Speaker 6 it's just never going to be fully described to me, I don't think.

Speaker 4 And maybe we're not supposed to 100%

Speaker 4 understand that, but we should at least believe that creativity itself.

Speaker 4 And Mike, I'm sure you've had this when writing. You're like suddenly in a zone.
And then that zone goes away for a while. And then you're like, well, I guess, and it'll come back again.

Speaker 4 And is acting the same way that you just kind of push yourself along until you find that spark

Speaker 4 for any of you guys.

Speaker 2 I think it's 50-50 every time I step in front of a camera. I mean, if you have good words, the odds are better that you will, you know, get on that creative kind of mindless flow.

Speaker 2 But it's, it's, which is why I think I want to keep acting for the rest of my life is you keep chasing that, you know, that mindless, joyful, you have no idea, literally, even though you know the script script backwards and forwards most of the time.

Speaker 2 You don't know what you're going to do or what's going to happen. You get lost in it, and that's that's joy.
Right. But it's always, you know, 50-50.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's a reason that, like,

Speaker 3 in ancient times, they invented something called muses that were magical creatures that came to artists and told them what to do.

Speaker 3 And they got angry at them when they weren't around and they made offerings to them to try to get them to come back. Like, this is, this is the creative process is maddening.
And

Speaker 3 there is a,

Speaker 3 I think it's a combination of like, some of it is just practice, right? Some of it is like, you just do it enough that your brain knows how to like sort of try to find a creative mode.

Speaker 3 But I have had the experience at times of being like, I don't even really.

Speaker 3 know what I am writing, but I am writing things. And that doesn't mean it's going to be good, but

Speaker 3 I think what it means is that there's some, you're just like in a, you're in a lazy river and you're letting the process kind of like take you on whatever journey you're going to go on.

Speaker 3 And that's really fun. Like it's great when that happens.

Speaker 3 It's better than the alternative, which is like banging your head against a wall over and over again, trying to write one joke that you think is mildly funny.

Speaker 2 Just half the time.

Speaker 4 A surfer really has to practice to be good, but he's not the wave.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 You have to be prepared to catch the right wave. But if you go out there and there isn't any wave, there's not not much you can do with it.

Speaker 3 You're going to say hello surfboard.

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Speaker 4 What's also interesting to me in the stuff that happens is that you can create something for whatever reason that any of you

Speaker 4 have to want to do this work, but it can mean something so different to so many people in the audience.

Speaker 4 And when you make comedy, a lot of times people will be going through something very hard in their life,

Speaker 4 a breakup, the loss of somebody. And you just have that one show that you're waiting for that can make you just exhale a little bit.
And I'm sure you've heard this, Ted, throughout your careers.

Speaker 4 You've been involved with some amazing shows, and most of them are still in reruns.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 4 there's so many things that you have done, I think, that has brought real joy to people.

Speaker 2 Very blessed in that way. Yeah, definitely.
I get to walk around with people smiling at me because they remember a moment that I was part of.

Speaker 2 And this is really special because I don't think we talk about

Speaker 2 the scary part of aging, you know. You know, that there is memory loss or can be, you know, that there is grief, there is finality, there's all that stuff.
And to do it with such grace and humor,

Speaker 2 there was a lot of gratitude. It touched a real nerve, you know.
Yeah. And it's kind.

Speaker 2 That was another nerve that was touched that people kind of crave a certain kindness.

Speaker 4 There is a certain kindness. And

Speaker 4 you're right. There is an acceptance as we grow older.

Speaker 4 And the worst part of it is losing family and friends through natural

Speaker 4 just life things and learning to accept that.

Speaker 2 I'm still in the mode of, tell me exactly what happened. Okay, so they died, but I won't be there.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 This is something I can

Speaker 2 speed around.

Speaker 4 And that's how we all have to live it, you know, with these things that are happening. But you guys have found a way to make it.

Speaker 4 I think the word is communal because it's all about connections.

Speaker 2 Well, part of the

Speaker 3 show is based on a documentary called The Mole Agent that came out a few years ago.

Speaker 3 A woman named Maite Alberti did it. It's from Chile and it's great.
And I recommend everybody watch it.

Speaker 3 Part of what really touched me about it was it's a story of a guy whose life is his wife passed away and his life is getting very small. And for some reason, he just follows this instinct.

Speaker 3 He answers an ad in the paper that says, it's one of the greatest want ads of all time. It says, wanted like man 75 to 85, good with technology.

Speaker 2 So funny.

Speaker 3 So unintentionally funny. And he just, something compels him to break out of his small little world and try and do this.
And it ends up being really, it kind of saves his life.

Speaker 3 And it, and it, because he just, he goes out and he meets people and he becomes friends with people and he has these experiences he wouldn't have had.

Speaker 3 And the people he meets, their lives are made better by meeting him. And it's just such a lovely little story.

Speaker 3 And the thing that I kept thinking about when I watched it, which is what we try to do in the show, is to make the the point that like

Speaker 3 there are things that are sad about aging. Certainly you lose friends and family.
You perhaps go through some health problems. This is the best case scenario, right?

Speaker 2 This is what

Speaker 3 we're all hoping we get to do.

Speaker 3 So while it's scary and there's grief and there's sadness, like this is the best alternative of all of the alternatives.

Speaker 3 And so to do a movie about that and then to do a show about that, I thought was a good way to just discuss something that it's hard to see sometimes. It's hard.

Speaker 3 It's hard to see when you're, when your parent or grandparent or someone you know or love is suffering health ailments or having memory loss.

Speaker 3 It's hard to feel gratitude for that, but you should in some way because it's like, wow, you've won the race. You lived long enough to get to the point where this is how your life goes.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 you know, it's a double-edged sword for sure.

Speaker 3 And that doesn't mean it's not sad, but it's a, it's a kind of it's a sadness that can is only possible when you've had a lot of joy and success in terms of just making it through the rat race that we're all running.

Speaker 4 You know, yeah, it really is the strangest thing. And I was saying to a friend the other day, you know, the guy was so great with the 49ers, and he goes, Joe Montana?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, I should have known that.

Speaker 4 But that's where it goes. Just those little things.
It's not like you can't find your way home, you know.

Speaker 3 No, but it's there's the line in the first season when Charles is talking to his friend Calbert and he's talking, Calbert's like running through what happens to you as you age.

Speaker 3 And then he says, and then the nouns start to leave. Charles goes, the goddamn nouns.

Speaker 2 God damn now.

Speaker 3 That is a direct conversation that I just turned 50 and I had that conversation with my wife, that exact conversation.

Speaker 3 where we were driving home from dinner and I could remember some, someone's name, like a person I've known all my life. And she did the same thing your friend did.
And he went like Bill.

Speaker 2 And I was like, God damn it.

Speaker 3 Like, what is happening to the nouns? The people, places, and things.

Speaker 3 They just like you go to that file cabinet where the name has always been, and you open it up, and the file's empty, and it just drives you crazy. And so, again,

Speaker 3 count your blessings. Like, if you get to the point where the nouns start to go, that

Speaker 3 means, you know, you've had a lot of luck in your life.

Speaker 7 To be fair, though, I'm 36 and the nouns are dicey for me.

Speaker 2 But you just had a baby.

Speaker 2 That's true. We'll see.

Speaker 7 Check in with me in six months.

Speaker 2 My wife,

Speaker 3 my wife, when she gave birth to our son, William, which is now, you know, 17 years ago, she, after like three months or four months later, she was like, I'm going to go get my hair done for the first time in forever.

Speaker 3 And so she went to her salon and they said, like, oh my God, you had the baby. And she said, yeah.
And they said, what's his name? And she forgot his name.

Speaker 3 And so she said, his name is William. And she said, like, it's Ryan.

Speaker 2 His name is. And they're like, Ryan, I love that.
And she went back for a while.

Speaker 3 Every time she went back, they'd be like, How's Ryan?

Speaker 2 She'd be like, He's great.

Speaker 7 She had to find a new hair place.

Speaker 3 Well, you can't admit that you got the name of your kid wrong. So, she's like,

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's a weird part of Los Angeles where our child has a different name.

Speaker 4 But Lila's right about one thing: that your generation gets hit with such constant information so quickly that most people I know now, no matter what age, struggle with reading a novel.

Speaker 4 And I used to have a novel a week going my whole life.

Speaker 4 And now, when I'm reading it, I'm like, two chapters before I touch the phone. You know what I mean? I'll make up little rules for myself.
But everybody's brain gets attacked now.

Speaker 5 They should put more dancing kittens in novels and then we pay attention that morning.

Speaker 5 It's the novel's fault.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 I don't even know if those are real kittens.

Speaker 2 That's the other, the other kid. Can I trust these kittens actually exist?

Speaker 6 Evidently the chicken on the back of the pig that gets on the trampoline, I was heartbroken when my son goes, mom, that's AI.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hearing also goes. And Alex Elderman, you know, he has this

Speaker 2 great

Speaker 2 comedic bit where he says, there's a phrase that will save you. It doesn't matter what is being said.
And in my case, I take it, it doesn't matter what I heard or didn't hear.

Speaker 2 It's, can you believe it?

Speaker 2 Ted, you've said that to me so many times.

Speaker 2 Can you believe it?

Speaker 4 Crazy times we live in.

Speaker 2 I feel like I just go wild. Wild.
Wild. Wild.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But we are in this thing where you're supposed to know

Speaker 4 somebody yelling something out at Iowa and another. What do you think of that? I'm like, I don't, you know, it's happening all so fast and none of it stays.
None of it stays.

Speaker 3 Well, we're not supposed to

Speaker 3 experience this many things. That's not like there's that old, there's the thing about like,

Speaker 3 you can't keep more than, it's like 200 names in your head, really, because when humans were evolving, like the little clusters that we were in were, like, they wouldn't be more than like 150 or 200 people big.

Speaker 3 That's just how like the, you know, primitive, primitive man evolved. And I think that we're not supposed to have more than like,

Speaker 3 you know, whatever, 500 pieces of information hit us every year.

Speaker 3 Now we have a thousand a day.

Speaker 3 Like, and it's wild when you, when you see something online and you say to everyone like in our writer's room or wherever, like, did you see the thing that so-and-so tweeted about whatever?

Speaker 3 And everyone has seen it. And it's like, how is this possible? How are we taking in this much information? Yeah.
And the, the nouns, the poor nouns that we used to know are just like getting crushed.

Speaker 3 They're being pushed to the side because now we have to reserve some brain power for the chicken that's on the back of the pig that's trampoline that we all saw.

Speaker 3 And then the follow-up discussion of like, no, that was AI. And then the follow-up to the follow-up of like, what's open AI doing this week? And why are they doing whatever?

Speaker 3 So I think it's some of it is not our fault, but it, like you're saying, unless you create rules for yourself of like, I am not going to engage with this.

Speaker 3 I am going to sit down and calm myself and read a book or like sit and talk to someone. It is, uh, I mean, you know, it's a the Bo Burnham interview.
Now I'm doing it.

Speaker 3 The Bo Burnham interview he did recently where he was like, these companies are coming for your attention. Like, that's what they're, that's what's happening.

Speaker 3 It's like they're colonizing your attention span. And they're, there are, if there are chunks of your life that are where your attention is elsewhere, they're trying to grab it and

Speaker 3 refocus it on whatever they're offering.

Speaker 5 So it's like put down your phone and watch a man on the the inside. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Oh, smart. I do think, yeah.

Speaker 4 That's good.

Speaker 2 I am. Oh, she's gone.
She's drawing it. Go watch it.
She dropped the mic. I am happy.

Speaker 3 I have, my kids are 17 and 15. I am happy when they are watching.
a television show. So funny because when we were kids, our parents would be like, that TV is going to rot your brain.

Speaker 3 And now it's like, oh, thank God they're watching TV. It's 23 minutes long instead of instead of 18 seconds.

Speaker 2 Story structure.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 My grandparents were shocked that I could just keep watching show after show. They understood you had a show, you know, and you know, and I'm like, Mike Douglas is on right now.

Speaker 4 I think he's bringing out Carlin in 15 minutes.

Speaker 2 But they can. Can you imagine your grandmother watching a commercial for a butt deodorant? That's really.

Speaker 4 I can't even imagine my dad doing that.

Speaker 4 My father struggled with HBO.

Speaker 4 He would get up and walk out as we were all watching.

Speaker 4 But, you know, that is another thing about this show is no matter what age, you're also supposed to keep up. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Where it's somehow funny that somebody doesn't know how to use TikTok or know what Grindr is.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 2 don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 I just said, don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 One of the best things about detective stories to me, the reason that I really like writing this show is detective stories are methodical.

Speaker 3 They are about like slowly observing and taking in clues and like piecing things together and moving really deliberately through the world.

Speaker 3 It's a perfect job for Charles Newendike, former engineering professor and intellectual.

Speaker 3 It's why it works well that he's gotten this new gig because it requires like just, you have to move slowly and deliberately and that is a an antidote i think to what a lot of modern life is like where it's like you know go go go go more more more and that's been really fun to like write a story about a guy who has to just move very deliberately and slowly through his world also charles lives in maybe my favorite house in any movie

Speaker 3 yes uh how did you guys come across that house was just luck or yeah it was scouting we found it it's in it's in uh the eastern part of uh la it's where is it like it's so eagle rock eagle rock yeah um and we it's at the end of a dead end street and it's just like a beautiful we actually recreated it this year we built we rebuilt perfect so trippy yeah wow so when you watch the thanksgiving episode it's shocking that it's a set

Speaker 6 yeah it looks

Speaker 5 exactly like yeah we'd be like let's go outside but you're still in the hangar

Speaker 5 and there's wind blowing through the trees, you know, and

Speaker 2 yeah, they've done their greatest.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's a beautiful house, but it was, it's at the end of a cul-de-sac and it's up a steep hill. And it's a little hard to get to.

Speaker 3 So we just re we had, we do an entire episode where Charles has a Thanksgiving at his house. And so we just recreated it on a soundstage.

Speaker 4 You know, with Ted and Mary, I imagine both of you saw each other's work before you met, right?

Speaker 4 Do you remember Ted, the first thing that you saw her in?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it was time after time with Malcolm McDowell.

Speaker 4 What a movie. What a movie.

Speaker 2 Fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 6 For me,

Speaker 6 well, we met at an audition that I had been casting Cross Creek by Marty Ritt.

Speaker 6 He had a lot of guys come in and read to play opposite me in that.

Speaker 6 And that's where I first met him. And I remember looking at him and going, eh, too handsome.
Too handsome.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 then he said something very funny.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 That's because funny is my thing. Like, you know, that's what I look for.
So anyway, Ben cut to, you know, we're both married many years,

Speaker 6 lots of water under the bridge. And

Speaker 6 well, I'm going through a divorce and cheers is on now at 10 o'clock at night. So I'd put my kids to bed and then go in there.
And it was, you asked about shows that give one solace.

Speaker 6 Yeah, mine was cheers, you know. And it was just like there was something so comforting and beautiful and brilliant.
And the writing and the every single person on it was just brilliant. And

Speaker 6 little did I know, you know, I'm going to be asleep on this.

Speaker 5 And that person was Rhea Perlman.

Speaker 4 It was a different time.

Speaker 4 It was a different time.

Speaker 4 First thing I remember saying that was body heat. And you played

Speaker 4 as such a character. And I remember that you danced, you know, just in front of your friend on the boardwalk.
And I'm like. No one gets it, but this man is really charming.

Speaker 4 And I think he could do a lot of things.

Speaker 4 But it was, it's always that amazing thing that we go back with with people who we kind of feel like in the back of our heads, you know, we got before everybody else did. But you have an entire show.

Speaker 4 Even your guest stars come in like that. Now, you have such great guest stars this year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was a real murderer's row. I mean, season one was so much about loss and grief.
And season two, we wanted to be about romance.

Speaker 3 And that meant that it needed to be a little brighter and a little sunnier, a little fun. Right.
And so we just brought in all the funny people we could think of. Max Greenfield

Speaker 3 plays a big role. Gary Cole, Lisa Gilroy, Jason Manzukas.
Like we just called all these funny people that we knew and said, can you come be a part of this?

Speaker 3 And I think the show, it still feels like the same show, but it's definitely more comedic, more overtly comedic, because Charles isn't going through this really deeply sad thing in his life.

Speaker 3 He worked through that with his daughter and through the process of

Speaker 3 making new friends and stuff. And now

Speaker 3 he has room in his life to start a new romance. And that, you know, romance and comedy go together and always have.

Speaker 3 And so, when we wanted the show to be about this new love in his life, we just wanted the whole show to feel a little sunnier. And that led to Seven Stars.

Speaker 2 I also love that you conscientiously

Speaker 2 sorry, I stopped.

Speaker 2 No, please.

Speaker 2 Brought season, people from Pacific View, retirement home, into this year as well, because I think people fell in love with the group at Pacific View.

Speaker 2 And I think it will be comforting to know that they're still part of Charles's community. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you use them as your crew at certain points and bring them in. But also,

Speaker 4 when you're saying he's not going through as much, which is really sweet, is he notices when other people are in those places and he reaches out and pulls them into that community.

Speaker 4 I don't want to give it away because it's, there's one that takes place in like the last episode. Right.

Speaker 4 But you could choke up watching that scene, you know, because you see somebody who would have just went away, you know. And Charles said, here's a spot.
And he gets no credit for it, which is also

Speaker 4 hilarious. Yeah.

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Speaker 4 Mike, a lot of people

Speaker 4 online seem to be talking about Easter eggs with the show all the time. Is that done on purpose?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Very much so. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think it's very fun to just bury things in the background of shows. I always love it when I'm watching something and there's like a little tiny reference to another show.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, this season takes place on a college campus and there's kiosks everywhere that have, you know,

Speaker 3 flyers on them and stuff. And so every single flyer on the kiosk.
is like a little reference to some other show. A lot of them are good place references.

Speaker 3 There's a flyer for a

Speaker 3 dance dance resolution, which was Jason Mendoza's 40-person dance crew in Jacksonville, Florida. They're apparently performing at the college where

Speaker 3 Charles is working.

Speaker 3 There's a poster for Death Canoe 4, which is a movie, a showing of a movie, and that was from Parks and Recreation.

Speaker 3 Retta's character would live tweet movies and they screened a movie called Death Canoe 4 where she was just live tweeting it the whole time. It's tiny little nothings in the background.

Speaker 3 But in my mind, it's like, you've got to put something up there. You might as well make it something that someone might get some pleasure out of if they happen to notice it, you know?

Speaker 3 So we try with every like sign, you know, on the campus, every street sign or like, you know, every name of every building.

Speaker 3 I'm a Celtics fan, and every single building on the campus is named after a member of the 2024 World Champion Boston Celtics.

Speaker 5 It is funny. You'll be working in a scene and look up at a sign and be like,

Speaker 2 wait a second.

Speaker 3 I just love that stuff. I think

Speaker 3 it's completely harmless, right? If you don't get the reference, if you see that something is called Horford Hall, you're like, okay, that seems like a normal building.

Speaker 3 But if you then think about the fact that Al Horford was the backup center for the Celtics and that's in your brain.

Speaker 3 And then you see another building called the Pritchard Center for Research or whatever. And you're like, wait, Peyton Pritchard was also on the 22nd.

Speaker 3 And you started to put it together, then it just becomes this little weird bonus fun thing that's going on in the background. I love that stuff.

Speaker 4 Uh, we were talking about shows that uh, the way Mary put it, that give you solace, which I just love.

Speaker 4 But Mary Elizabeth, you're on a show like that, and uh, you're basically on two hit shows at the same time.

Speaker 5 Seems like you need to cast me in your show, is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I am. I'm so, I'm so, so lucky and grateful.
And

Speaker 5 yeah,

Speaker 5 my husband, Charlie Day, who is one of the creators of Always Sunny in Philadelphia, is home right now with our teenage kid

Speaker 5 and in the writer's room for season 18 of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 Season 18.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was 25 when we shot the first, the first season.

Speaker 5 I was 20 years ago.

Speaker 2 It broke the record, right?

Speaker 3 Isn't it the longest running?

Speaker 2 The longest running

Speaker 5 live action.

Speaker 5 Comedy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's wild.
Keeps getting qualified, but we'll take it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But, you know, Ted, you know, this is something that didn't happen when you started.
You weren't going to be able to work a couple different shows. And I imagine

Speaker 4 when cheers ended, there must have been a part of you like, well, I'll never be able to. you know, have that same kind of relationship.

Speaker 2 I bypassed all that worry because I blew my life up. Just, I was such a hot mess that I wasn't even thinking about career.
Uh-huh. And I recommend it highly.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So what was it about that that took that thinking out of it for you?

Speaker 2 About my life.

Speaker 4 Yeah, about your life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Different podcast.

Speaker 2 No, I was just working on myself. Yeah.
It was time for me to grow up. And

Speaker 2 which thank God, because

Speaker 2 the universe wouldn't have even put me in the same hallway as Mary Steenbergen if I hadn't grown up. So

Speaker 2 that's what I was doing. I was preparing to meet Mary.

Speaker 4 So you yeah. So it wasn't so much about career for you.
It was more about just life itself.

Speaker 2 Can you believe it? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But then you keep coming back with great show after great show.

Speaker 2 I don't. I, you know, first off, I'm, I'm a nice guy i'm i'm a nice guy in a set i'm pleasant to be around this counts for a lot and then

Speaker 2 i've i've been blessed by writers you know i've been blessed by being around good writing and

Speaker 2 and i truthfully i am not the sitting there looking at a bunch of scripts and making these wise decisions i am at heart a contract player out of the 50s you know i'm happiest when somebody says take your fireman hat off and put this cowboy hat and go over to to stage 13.

Speaker 2 And I have been blessed by meeting, you know, and being around great writers and great writing. And

Speaker 2 I like to go to work. I really love acting.
And I think that combination has allowed me, you know, and now I hooked up with Mike, who said, I'll take you into the Twilight years.

Speaker 1 Follow me. Follow me.

Speaker 4 But, you know, I guess you've all done things that you're like, well, there's no way this can work. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 whatever show or project movie but then you go and do it anyway because you act right but is there any chance to get over a bad script and make something through good acting work if the script stinks no no you'll be

Speaker 2 you'll be called one of those actors who's good in everything yeah that's not best you can get you'll never make a yeah bad script a good movie and it's not fun it's not fun at at all.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 6 I mean, the difference is

Speaker 6 the writing. The difference in the joy you feel when you rehearse a scene at home and we run lines together.
We're laughing at what we get to say and do.

Speaker 6 You know, we're delighting in it or moved by it or whatever it is. But I don't think any amount of good acting can make up for bad writing.

Speaker 2 Or if somebody came up to you or told you the other day, oh, you steal every scene and you go, oh.

Speaker 6 like that, that's not a good thing to hear.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know, because it just, what you want is this, which is all these brilliant actors are everybody's doing, yeah, at the height of what they're doing and with great writing.

Speaker 6 And, and you walk on the set of Mike's shows, and I mean, even the ones where I haven't been there, I know so much about it because of 32 years with him.

Speaker 6 And it's like, um, people are happy to go to work and they're happy with each other.

Speaker 2 And the makeup trailer of our

Speaker 6 man on the inside is hilarious and fun. And yes, Ted is the butt of every joke.

Speaker 2 And yes,

Speaker 6 yes, it's mainly women in there giving it to him. But like, he knows how to take it.
So it's fun.

Speaker 4 Isn't it an important thing in life is to know how to take the joke? Is just as I made one mistake.

Speaker 2 I mentioned that I was

Speaker 2 a lactation expert a lactation expert and we will never stop here oh my god i it my daughter my daughter was a doula and i was being supportive and i was hearing everything and i did i didn't say i was a lactation but but i i did

Speaker 7 no somebody said i claimed that was the butt of the joke it's been going on for so long that i'm like so ted's a lactation expert yeah

Speaker 2 i was taking interest in my daughter's work

Speaker 2 and i didn't now that i hear me say it i didn't really

Speaker 1 i

Speaker 2 looked up and saw three women's faces go

Speaker 4 so funny songs all right we have to wrap this up because you guys have to go around and explain

Speaker 2 end on that yes

Speaker 2 we'll end on that is that the best no you guys got it But here we are.

Speaker 4 You have a great season one. You have an even better season two.

Speaker 4 What are you guys hoping happens in season three?

Speaker 4 Where do we take

Speaker 3 this?

Speaker 3 Well, should we be so lucky,

Speaker 3 the writers are working now to plan ideas, and I don't want to even make predictions because it's very early. But I do.

Speaker 3 The show takes place in San Francisco, and I love that city. I always have.
I loved it the first time. I went there 20 years ago and continue to love it.

Speaker 3 And I think one of the things we would like to do is shoot there more and really kind of show off the city because I think it's a very weird place and it's a very beautiful place. And also

Speaker 3 like cities are like being attacked right now in very weird ways. And the way that cities in America are described does not resemble in any way my experience of living in them or visiting them.

Speaker 3 And so I kind of just want to make that season two is a little bit of an argument in favor of liberal arts education.

Speaker 3 And I think season three, I would love to make a little bit more of an argument for just what cities are and can be and how they function.

Speaker 3 So that's a very vague thing to say, but I love, I just love the, I love, I love cities. I think they're the lifeblood of this country.

Speaker 3 I think that they're places where enormous numbers of people go and live and commune and interact with each other in ways that are very important.

Speaker 3 They are not horrible hellscapes that

Speaker 3 need

Speaker 3 a federal intervention, in my opinion. So I would love to just show off the city and make an argument on its behalf.

Speaker 4 First of all, I love that. I'm crazy with that.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 4 when each city is unique, and I feel like that happened more when I was younger, that if you would go to Miami or Chicago and to what you're like, these people are completely different.

Speaker 4 They eat different food.

Speaker 4 I was just in New Orleans. That food and culture does not play 50 minutes outside of there.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 4 But you get there and you're biting the head off crayfish and you're listening to a guy play tube and trombone. You're like, this is great.
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 And then when you leave, you're like, I don't even know what I was doing.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 That's not me.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's like donut and coffee that you can only get in that city. And it's amazing.
Like, that's what I mean. It's like these places are vital and interesting.

Speaker 3 Cities have been the centers of culture in every nation on earth since the beginning of earth. And I just, I feel like they should be celebrated more than they're celebrated.

Speaker 4 And they get down and they get up. Yeah.
Philly was scary when I was a kid. Then people went and, you know,

Speaker 4 turned the city around. It seemed like at the same time that New York turned around.
I don't know if we even know why all these things happen.

Speaker 3 They have, they, they go in waves. They, they have up times and downtimes.
They have problems and solutions. And I think they're just fascinating places.

Speaker 4 Here's what I love about everything that you guys are doing. It's a great cast, it's great writing.
But the themes of every year that you're all able to attach and bring through, it makes

Speaker 4 A Man on the Inside a really unique and great show. Thanks so much, everybody.

Speaker 2 Thank you all.

Speaker 4 Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're a son.

Speaker 4 Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Yeah, really fun talking to you. Really, Michael.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much to my Man on the Inside colleagues, Mike Schur, our creator, Mary Elizabeth Ellis, Lila Rich Creek Estrada, and Mary Steenbergen, and to Ron Bennington for leading that wonderful conversation.

Speaker 1 Season two of A Man on the Inside is streaming now on Netflix. That's it for this week.
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