Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024

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Speaker 1 The greatest bonus of the world

Speaker 1 of this generation,

Speaker 2 Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 I'm going to take this. All right.

Speaker 2 Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 2 How you doing, brother?

Speaker 2 You keep him busy?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 2 it's rarely a slow week.

Speaker 2 I mean, in the world as well. Yeah.
I mean, any given week, it just seems like the thing's getting better.

Speaker 2 It's definitely a simulation. We've agreed on this at this point.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 well, look, if we are in some alien Netflix series, I think the ratings are high. Yes.

Speaker 2 Ratings are high.

Speaker 2 How are the

Speaker 2 freedom of speech wars going? This is a,

Speaker 2 you've been

Speaker 2 you've been at war for two years now. Yes.
Uh the price of freedom of speech is not cheap, is it? I think it's like 44 billion, something like that. Just

Speaker 2 wrong numbers.

Speaker 2 Give her take a billion. Yeah, wrong numbers.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's uh it's it's pretty nutty. There there there is like this weird movement to quell free speech.

Speaker 2 kind of around the world. And

Speaker 2 that's something we should be very concerned about.

Speaker 2 You have to ask why was the First Amendment a high priority? It was like number one.

Speaker 2 It's because

Speaker 2 people came from countries where if you spoke freely, you would be imprisoned or killed. And they were like, well, we'd like to not have that here.

Speaker 2 Because that was terrible.

Speaker 2 And actually, you know, there's a lot of places in the world right now,

Speaker 2 if you're critical of the government, you get imprisoned or killed. Right.
Yeah, we'd like to not have that.

Speaker 2 Are you concerned?

Speaker 2 I mean, I suspect this is a receptive audience to that message.

Speaker 2 I think we always thought that the West was the exception to that, that we knew there were authoritarian places around the world, but we thought that in the West we'd have freedom of speech.

Speaker 2 And we've seen, like you said, it seems like a global movement. In Britain, you've got teenagers being put in prison for memes.

Speaker 2 It's like you like to like the Facebook post, throw them in the prison. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like people have got an actual, you know, prison for like

Speaker 2 obscure comments on social media. Not even shit posting yet.
Like, not even. Yeah.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Pavel got thrown in prison.

Speaker 2 I'm like, that is what you took about that. I was like,

Speaker 2 what is the massive crime that

Speaker 2 Pavel and France, and then, of course, we got Brazil with Judge Voldemort.

Speaker 2 That one seems like the one that impacts you the most.

Speaker 2 What's the latest on that?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I guess we are trying to figure out:

Speaker 2 is there some

Speaker 2 reasonable solution in Brazil?

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 concern, I mean, I want to just make sure that this is framed correctly.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, funny memes aside,

Speaker 2 the nature of the concern was that,

Speaker 2 at least at Excorp, we had the perception that

Speaker 2 we were being asked to do things that violated Brazilian law. So,

Speaker 2 obviously, we cannot, as an American company, impose American laws and values on other countries.

Speaker 2 We wouldn't get very far if we did that.

Speaker 2 But we do

Speaker 2 think that if a country's laws are a particular way and we're being asked to,

Speaker 2 we think we're being asked to break them,

Speaker 2 and be silent about it, then obviously that is no good.

Speaker 2 So I just want to be clear, because this

Speaker 2 sometimes comes across as Elon's trying to just be a crazy whatever billionaire and demand outrageous things from other countries. And,

Speaker 2 you know, while that is true,

Speaker 2 in addition,

Speaker 2 there are

Speaker 2 other things

Speaker 2 that I think are

Speaker 2 valid, which is like, we obviously can't,

Speaker 2 you know, I think any given thing that we do at Ex Corp, we've got to be able to explain in the light of day and not feel that it was dishonorable or

Speaker 2 we did the wrong thing.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that's the nature of the concern. So

Speaker 2 we actually are in

Speaker 2 sort of discussions with the

Speaker 2 judicial authorities in Brazil to try to

Speaker 2 run this to ground.

Speaker 2 What's actually going on?

Speaker 2 If we're being asked to break the law,

Speaker 2 Brazilian law then that's that that obviously should not be should not sit well with the Brazilian judiciary and if we're not and we're mistaken We'd like to understand how we're mistaken I think that's a that's a pretty reasonable position I'm a bit concerned as your friend that you're going to go to one of these countries and I'm gonna wake up one day and you're gonna get arrested and like I'm gonna have to go bail you out or something like this is feels very acute like yes I mean it's not a joke now like they're literally saying, like, you know, it's not just Biden saying, like, we have to look into that guy.

Speaker 2 Now it's become quite literal. Like, this, I don't know, who was the guy who just wrote the,

Speaker 2 was it the Guardian piece about, like, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 There have been three articles, and I think in the past three weeks. Robert Reich.

Speaker 2 But it wasn't just him. It was

Speaker 2 three different articles. Three different articles.

Speaker 2 It doesn't, that's a trend.

Speaker 2 Calling for me to be imprisoned

Speaker 2 in the Guardian. You know.

Speaker 2 Guardian of what? What are they protecting exactly?

Speaker 2 Guardian of

Speaker 2 authoritarianism? Yeah. Guardian of

Speaker 2 censorship.

Speaker 2 But the premise here is that you bought this thing, this online forum, this communication platform, and you're allowing people to use it to express themselves. Therefore, you have to be jailed.

Speaker 2 I don't understand the logic here. Right.

Speaker 2 What do you think they're actually afraid of at this point?

Speaker 2 What's the motivation here?

Speaker 2 I mean, I think

Speaker 2 if somebody's afraid if somebody is sort of trying to push a false premise on the world,

Speaker 2 and that premise can be undermined with public dialogue, then they will be opposed to public dialogue on that premise because they wish that false premise to prevail.

Speaker 2 So that's, I think,

Speaker 2 the issue there:

Speaker 2 if they don't like the truth,

Speaker 2 then we want to suppress it. So

Speaker 2 now, you know, the

Speaker 2 sort of

Speaker 2 what we're trying to do with X Corp

Speaker 2 is,

Speaker 2 I distinguish that from my son, who's also called X. Yes.

Speaker 2 You have parental goals,

Speaker 2 everything's just called X, basically.

Speaker 2 It's a very difficult disambiguation. Or the sun.
Yeah, it's X everything.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 what we're trying to do is simply adhere to the

Speaker 2 the laws in a country.

Speaker 2 So if something is illegal in the United States or if it's illegal in

Speaker 2 Europe or Brazil or wherever it might be,

Speaker 2 then we will take it down or we'll suspend the account because we're not

Speaker 2 there to make the laws.

Speaker 2 But if speech is not illegal, then then what are we doing? Okay, now we're injecting ourselves in

Speaker 2 as a censor, and where does it stop and who decides?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 where does that path lead? I think it leads to a bad place.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 if the people

Speaker 2 in a country want the laws to be different, they should make the laws different. But otherwise, we're going to obey the law in each jurisdiction.
Right. And some of these Europeans...
That's it.

Speaker 2 It's not more complicated than that. We're not trying to flout the law.
We're going to be clear about that.

Speaker 2 But we're trying to adhere to the law. And if the laws change, we will change.
And if the laws don't change, we won't. We're just literally trying to adhere to the law.
It's pretty straightforward.

Speaker 2 There are some European. It's very straightforward.

Speaker 2 And if somebody thinks we're not adhering to the law, well, they can file a lawsuit. Bingo.
Also, very straightforward. Yes.

Speaker 2 I mean, there are European countries that don't want people to promote Nazi propaganda. Yes.
They have some sensitivity to it. Well, it is illegal.
It is illegal in those countries.

Speaker 2 In those countries, if somebody puts that up, you take it down. Yes.

Speaker 2 But they typically file something and say, take this down.

Speaker 2 No, in some cases, it is just obviously illegal. Like, you don't need to file a lawsuit for, you know, if something is just, you know, unequivocally illegal, we can literally read the law.

Speaker 2 This violates the law.

Speaker 2 Anyone can see that.

Speaker 2 You don't need, like,

Speaker 2 if somebody is stealing, you don't need, let me check the law on that. Yeah.
Okay. Oh, no, they're stealing.

Speaker 2 So we had J.D.

Speaker 3 Vance here this morning. He did a great job.

Speaker 3 And one of the things is there's this image on X of basically you, Bobby,

Speaker 2 Trump, and JD are like the Avengers, I guess.

Speaker 3 And then there's another meme where you're in front of a desk where it says D-O-G-E.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 The Department of Governmental Efficiency.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes. I posted that one.
Tell us about it. I made it using Grok, the Grok image generator.

Speaker 2 And I posted it. Tell us about

Speaker 2 the Seed for Efficiency.

Speaker 3 How do you do it?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 I think with great difficulty.

Speaker 2 But, you know, look, it's been a long time since there was a serious effort to reduce the size of government and to remove absurd regulations.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the last time there was a really concerted effort on that front was Reagan in the early 80s. So we're 40 years away from

Speaker 2 a serious effort to remove

Speaker 2 regulations that don't serve the greater good and reduce the size of government. And I think it's just, if we don't do that, then

Speaker 2 what's happening is that we get regulations and laws accumulating every year until eventually everything's illegal. And that's why we can't get major infrastructure projects done in the United States.

Speaker 2 Like if you look at the absurdity of the California high-speed rail, I think they've spent seven billion dollars and have a 1600-foot segment that doesn't actually have rail in it.

Speaker 2 I mean, your tax dollars at work. I mean,

Speaker 2 that's an expensive 1600 feet of concrete, you know.

Speaker 2 And I mean, I think it's like if

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I realize sometimes I'm perhaps a little optimistic with schedules, but

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I mean, I wouldn't be doing the things I'm doing if I was,

Speaker 2 you know, not

Speaker 2 an optimist.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 but at the current trend, you know, California high-speed rail might finish sometime next century.

Speaker 2 Maybe.

Speaker 2 Probably not.

Speaker 2 We'll have teleportation by that time. Yeah, exactly.
We'll just have

Speaker 2 AI do everything at that point. So

Speaker 2 I think you really think of

Speaker 2 the the United States and many countries, it's arguably worse than the EU, as being like Gulliver tied down by a million little strings. And like any one given regulation is

Speaker 2 not that bad, but you've got a million of them,

Speaker 2 or millions, actually.

Speaker 2 And then eventually you just can't get anything done. And

Speaker 2 this is a massive tax on the consumer, on the people. It's just they don't realize that there's this massive tax in the form of irrational regulations.

Speaker 2 And I'll give you a recent example that

Speaker 2 is just insane,

Speaker 2 is that SpaceX was fined by the EPA $140,000 for,

Speaker 2 they claimed, dumping potable water on the ground, drinking water.

Speaker 2 And we're like, this is at starbase. And we're like, we're in a tropical thunderstorm region.

Speaker 2 That stuff comes from the sky all the time.

Speaker 2 And there was no actual harm done.

Speaker 2 It was just water to cool the launch pad during liftoff. And there's zero harm done.
And they agree, yes, there's zero harm done. And we're like, okay, so there's no harm done.
And

Speaker 2 but you want us to pay a $140,000 fine? It's like, yes, because you didn't have a permit.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 We didn't know there was a permit needed for zero harm fresh water being on the ground in a place that where fresh water falls from the sky all the time.

Speaker 2 Got it. Next to the ocean.

Speaker 2 Next to the ocean. Because there's a little bit of water there, too.
Yeah. I mean, sometimes it rains so much, the roads are flooded.
So we're like, you know,

Speaker 2 how does this make any sense? Yeah. And then, like, then they were like, well, we're not going to process

Speaker 2 any more of your applications for launch, for Starship launch, unless you pay this $140,000. So they just

Speaker 2 ransomed us. And we're like, okay, so we paid $140,000.
But it's like, this is no good. I mean, at this rate, we're never going to get to Mars.
I mean,

Speaker 2 that's the confounding part here. Yeah.
Is

Speaker 2 we're acting against our own self-interest. You know, when you look at,

Speaker 2 we do have to make, putting aside fresh water, but hey, you know,

Speaker 2 the rocket makes a lot of noise.

Speaker 2 So I'm certain there's some complaints about noise once in a while, but sometimes you want to have a party or you want to make progress and there's a little bit of noise, therefore, you know, we trade off a little bit of noise for massive progress or even fun.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 when did we stop being able to make those trade-offs? But talk about the difference between California and Texas, where you and I now reside.

Speaker 2 Texas, you were able to build the giga factory. I remember when you got the plot of land, and then

Speaker 2 it seemed like it was less than two years when you had the party to open it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 From start of construction

Speaker 2 to completion was 14 months. 14.
14 months. Is there anywhere on the planet that would go faster? Is like China faster than that?

Speaker 2 China was 11 months. Got it.
So Texas, China, 11 and 14 months. California, how many months? And just to give you a sense of size,

Speaker 2 Tesla Giga Factory in China is three times the size of the Pentagon. Which was the biggest building in America? No, there are bigger buildings, but the Pentagon is a pretty big one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, or it was the biggest building.

Speaker 2 In units of Pentagon, it's like three.

Speaker 2 Okay, three Pentagons and counting. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Got it.

Speaker 2 In 14 months.

Speaker 2 Just the regulatory approvals in California would have taken two years.

Speaker 2 So that's the issue.

Speaker 3 Where do you think the regulation helps? Like for the people that will say, we need some checks and balances, we can't have some, because for every good actor like you, there'll be a bad actor.

Speaker 3 So where is that lying then?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I have an sort of, you know,

Speaker 2 in sort of doing,

Speaker 2 I say, sensible deregulation. and

Speaker 2 reduction in the size of government is just like be very public about it and say, which of these rules do you think, if the public is really excited about a rule and wants to keep it, we'll just keep it.

Speaker 2 And here's the thing about the rules:

Speaker 2 if the rule

Speaker 2 turns out to be a bad, we'll just put it right back.

Speaker 2 Okay, and then problem solved. It's like it's easy to add rules, but we don't actually have a process for getting rid of them.
That's the issue. There's no garbage collection for rules.

Speaker 2 When we were

Speaker 2 watching you work, David and I and Antonio, in that first month at Twitter, which was all hands on deck, and you were doing zero-based budgeting, you really quickly got the cost under control.

Speaker 2 And then miraculously, everybody said this site will go down, and you added 50 more features. So maybe explain.
Because this is the first time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there were like, there were so many articles like that this is. Twitter is dead forever.
There's no way it could possibly even continue at all.

Speaker 2 It was almost like the press was rooting for you to find it. Let's write write the obituary.
Here's the obituary. They were all saying their goodbyes on Twitter.
Remember that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They were all leaving and saying their goodbyes because the site was going to melt down. Yeah, they're totally failing.

Speaker 2 All the journalists left. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Which is, if you ever want to hang out with a bunch of hall monitors, oh my god, Threads is amazing. Every time I go over their posts, they're like...

Speaker 2 They're really triggered. Yeah, I mean, if you like being condemned repeatedly, then, you know, for reasons that make no sense, then Threads is the way to go.
Yeah, it's really

Speaker 2 the most miserable place on earth. If Disney's the happiest, this is the anti-Disney.

Speaker 2 But if we were to go into government, you went into the Department of Education, or pick the department, you've worked with a lot of them actually.

Speaker 2 You can't go in there and zero-based budget. Okay, we get it.
But if you could

Speaker 2 just pair two, three, four, five percent of those organizations, what kind of impact would that have?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think we'd need to do more than that. I think ideally, but compounding every year, 2%, 3% a year, I mean, it would be better than what's happening now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, look, I think we've,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 if Trump wins, and obviously

Speaker 2 I suspect there are people with mixed feelings about whether that should happen,

Speaker 2 but we do have an opportunity

Speaker 2 to do

Speaker 2 kind of a once-in-a-lifetime deregulation and reduction in the size of government.

Speaker 2 Because the other thing, besides the regulations, America is also going bankrupt extremely quickly.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 everyone seems to be sort of whistling past the graveyard on this one.

Speaker 2 They're all grabbing the silverware. Everyone's stuffing their pockets in the silverware before the Titanic sinks.

Speaker 2 Well, you know,

Speaker 2 the Defense Department budget is a very big budget, okay? It's a trillion dollars a year, DOD, Intel. It's

Speaker 2 a trillion dollars.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 interest payments on the national debt just exceeded the Defense Department budget. They're over a trillion dollars a year, just in interest and rising.

Speaker 2 We're adding a trillion dollars to our debt, which our

Speaker 2 kids and grandkids are going to have to pay somehow

Speaker 2 every three months.

Speaker 2 And then soon it's going to be every two months, and then every month. And then the only thing we'll be able to pay is interest.

Speaker 2 And if this is,

Speaker 2 you know, it's just like a person at scale that has racked up too much credit card debt.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 this does not have a good ending.

Speaker 2 And so we have to reduce the spending.

Speaker 2 Let me ask one question, because I've brought this up a lot, and the counter-argument I hear, which I disagree with, but the counter-argument I hear from a lot of politicians is if we reduce spending, because right now if you add up federal, state, and local government spending, it's between 40 and 50 percent of GDP.

Speaker 2 So nearly half of our economy is supported by government spending, and nearly half of people in the United States are dependent directly or indirectly on government checks.

Speaker 2 And either through contractors that the government pays or they're employed by a government entity.

Speaker 2 So if you go in and you take too hard an axe too fast, you will have significant contraction, job loss, and recession. What's the balancing act, Elon?

Speaker 2 Just thinking realistically, because I'm 100% on board with you,

Speaker 2 the next set of steps, however, assume Trump wins and you become the

Speaker 2 chief DOGE

Speaker 2 like Gablo Gia.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I think the challenge is

Speaker 2 how quickly can we go in?

Speaker 2 How quickly can things change? And without

Speaker 2 that on my business card.

Speaker 2 Without all the contraction and job loss.

Speaker 2 So I guess how do you really address it when so much of the economy and so many people's jobs and livelihoods are dependent on government spending?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I do think it's sort of

Speaker 2 a false dichotomy. It's not like no government spending is going to happen.

Speaker 2 You really have to say, is it the right level?

Speaker 2 And just remember that

Speaker 2 any given person, if they are doing things in a less efficient organization versus a more efficient organization, their contribution to the economy, their net output of goods and services will reduce.

Speaker 2 I mean, you've got a couple of clear examples between East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea.

Speaker 2 I mean, North Korea, they're starving. South Korea, it's like amazing.
It's the future compounding effect of productivity gains.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's night and day.

Speaker 2 And so in the North Korea, you've got 100% government. In South Korea, you've got probably, I don't know, 40% government.
It's not zero.

Speaker 2 And yet, you've got a standard of living that is probably 10 times higher in South Korea. At least.

Speaker 2 At least, exactly.

Speaker 2 And then East and West Germany, in West Germany,

Speaker 2 just thinking in terms of cars, I mean, you had EMW, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes,

Speaker 2 and East Germany, which is a random line on a map.

Speaker 2 the only car you could get was a Trabant, which is basically a lawnmower with a shell on it.

Speaker 2 And it was extremely unsafe.

Speaker 2 There was a 20-year wait

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 put your kid on the list

Speaker 2 as soon as they're conceived.

Speaker 2 And even then, only, I think,

Speaker 2 a quarter of people

Speaker 2 maybe got this lousy car. And

Speaker 2 so that's just an interesting example of basically the same people, different operating system.

Speaker 2 And it's not like

Speaker 2 West Germany was some, you know,

Speaker 2 you know, a capitalist

Speaker 2 heaven. It was, it's quite socialist, actually.
So

Speaker 2 when you look, you know, probably it was

Speaker 2 half government in West Germany and 100% government in East Germany. And again, it's sort of a five to, I'd like to call

Speaker 2 at least a five to 10x standard of living difference, and even qualitatively, vastly better.

Speaker 2 And it's obviously, you know, so many people have these, amazingly in this modern era, this debate as to which system is better. Well, I'll tell you which system is better.

Speaker 2 The one that doesn't need to build the wall to keep people in, okay?

Speaker 2 That's how you can tell.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 It's a dead giveaway. Spoiler hilarity.
Dead giveaway. Are they climbing the wall to get out or come in? You have to build a barrier to keep people in.
That is the bad system.

Speaker 2 It wasn't West Berlin that built the wall, okay? They were like, you know, anyone who wants to flee West Berlin, go ahead.

Speaker 2 Speaking of walls.

Speaker 2 And if you look at sort of the flux of boats from Cuba, there's a large number of boats from Cuba, and there's a bunch of free boats that anyone can take to

Speaker 2 go back to Cuba.

Speaker 2 Plenty of seats. There's like, hey, wow, an abandoned boat.
I could use this boat to go to Cuba where they have communism. Awesome.

Speaker 2 And yet nobody picks up those boats and does it. Amazing.

Speaker 2 So you've given this a lot of thought. Yeah.
Wait, so your point is jobs will be created if we cut government spending in half. Yes.

Speaker 2 Jobs will be created fast enough to make up for, right, just the capital.

Speaker 2 Obviously,

Speaker 2 I'm not suggesting that people

Speaker 2 are immediately

Speaker 2 tossed out with no severance and

Speaker 2 now can't pay their mortgage. They need to be some reasonable off-ramp where.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So a reasonable

Speaker 2 they're still receiving money, but have like a year or two

Speaker 2 to find jobs in the private sector, which they will find. And then they will be in a different operating system.

Speaker 2 Again, you can see the difference. East Germany was incorporated into West Germany.
Living standards in East Germany rose dramatically.

Speaker 2 In four years, if you could shrink the

Speaker 2 size of the government with Trump, what would be a good target just in terms of like ballpark? I mean, are you trying to get me assassinated before this even happens? No, no, pick a low number.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, there's that old phrase, go postal. I mean, it's like they might.
Yeah. I mean, so we'll keep the post office.
I mean, I'm going to need a hell of a security detail, guys. Yes.

Speaker 2 The zero number of disgruntled workers, former government employees, is

Speaker 2 quite a scary number. I mean, I might not make it, you know.
I was saying low digits every year for four years would be palatable. Yeah, and I like your idea of a large number of people.

Speaker 2 But But the thing is that if it's not done,

Speaker 2 like if you have a once-in-a-lifetime or once-in-a-generation opportunity and you don't take serious action, and then

Speaker 2 you have four years to get it done, and then

Speaker 2 if it doesn't get done, then... How serious is Trump about this? You've talked to him about it, yeah? Yeah, I think

Speaker 2 he is very serious about it. Got it.

Speaker 2 And no, I think actually the reality is that if we get rid of nonsense regulations and shift people from the government sector to the private sector, we will have immense prosperity

Speaker 2 and I think we will have a golden age in this country. And it'll be fantastic.

Speaker 2 Can we talk about the Baseback?

Speaker 3 You have a bunch of critical milestones coming up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, in fact, there's

Speaker 2 a very exciting launch.

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 may be happening tonight. So if the weather is holding up, then I'm going to leave here, head to Cape Canaveral for the

Speaker 2 Polaris Dawn mission, which is a private mission funded by

Speaker 2 Jared Isaacman, and he's

Speaker 2 an awesome guy. And this will be the first time,

Speaker 2 the first private, first commercial spacewalk, and it'll be at the highest altitude since Apollo. So it's the furthest from Earth that anyone's gone.

Speaker 2 And you know, what happens after that?

Speaker 3 Let's assume that's successful.

Speaker 2 I sure hope so, man.

Speaker 2 No pressure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're, you know, absolutely, you know, astronaut prior, astronaut safety is,

Speaker 2 man, if I had like all the all the wishes I could save up, that would be the one to put on.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 you know, space is dangerous.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 yeah, I mean the the next milestone

Speaker 2 after that would be the next flight of Starship

Speaker 2 which

Speaker 2 you know Starship is the next flight of Starship is ready to fly we are waiting for regulatory approval

Speaker 2 You know

Speaker 2 it it it really should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than the

Speaker 2 paper can move from one desk to another

Speaker 2 That stamp is really hard. Approved.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You ever see that movie Zootopia? Approved. You ever see that movie Zootopia? There's like a sloth in the wall.

Speaker 2 Coming in for the approval.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and they accidentally tell a joke, and I was like, oh no, this is just

Speaker 2 going to take a long time. Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 Zootopia, you know,

Speaker 2 the funny thing is, I went to the the DMV

Speaker 2 about, I don't know, a year later after Zootopia, and to get my license renewal. And the guy, in an exercise of incredible self-awareness, had the sloth from Zootopia in his

Speaker 2 cube.

Speaker 2 In his cube, and he was actually Swift. Yeah.

Speaker 2 With a mandate, beat the sloth. Yeah, yeah, no.
Beat personal agency. Personal agency.
No, I mean, sometimes people

Speaker 2 think

Speaker 2 the government is

Speaker 2 more competent than it is. I'm not saying that there aren't competent people in the government.
They're just in an operating system that is inefficient.

Speaker 2 Once you move them to a more efficient operating system,

Speaker 2 their output is dramatically greater, as we've seen

Speaker 2 when East Germany was reintegrated

Speaker 2 with West Germany,

Speaker 2 and the same people

Speaker 2 were vastly more prosperous. with a basically half-capitalist operating system.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 but I mean

Speaker 2 for a lot of people,

Speaker 2 maybe most direct experience with the government is the DMV.

Speaker 2 And then the important thing to remember is that the government is the DMV at scale.

Speaker 2 Right. Got the government.
Got the mental power. How much do you want to scale it?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Elon, sorry, can you go back to Chamas's question on Starship? So you announced just the other day Starship going to Mars in two years.

Speaker 2 By the way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And then four years for a crewed aspirational launch in the next window. And how much is the government involved in the market?

Speaker 2 I'm not saying like set your watch by these,

Speaker 2 but these

Speaker 2 but it based on our current progress where with Starship we were able to successfully reach oval of velocity twice.

Speaker 2 We were able to achieve soft landings of the booster and the ship in water.

Speaker 2 And that's despite the ship having half its flask cooked off.

Speaker 2 You can see the video on the X platform. It's quite exciting.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we think we'll be able to

Speaker 2 launch reliably and repeatedly and quite quickly.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the fundamental holy grail breakthrough for rocketry, for

Speaker 2 what the fundamental breakthrough that is needed for life to become multi-planetary is a rapidly reusable, reliable rocket, RRR.

Speaker 2 With a pirate, somehow.

Speaker 2 Throw a pirate in there.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 Starship is the first rocket design

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 2 success is one of the possible outcomes with full reusability.

Speaker 2 So for any given project, you have to say, this is the circle, throw right band diagram.

Speaker 2 Here's a circle and it is success the success dot in the circle

Speaker 2 is is success in the set of possible outcomes that

Speaker 2 you know it sounds pretty obvious but there are often projects where that it that is success is not in the set of possible outcomes

Speaker 2 and so so Starship

Speaker 2 not only is

Speaker 2 fully full reusability in the set of possible outcomes, it is being proven with each launch.

Speaker 2 And I'm confident it will succeed. It's simply a matter of time.
And

Speaker 2 if

Speaker 2 we can get some improvement in the speed of regulation, we could actually move a lot faster.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that would be very helpful. And in fact,

Speaker 2 if something isn't done about

Speaker 2 reducing regulation and sort of speeding up approvals, And to be clear, I'm not talking about anything unsafe. It's simply the processing of the safe thing can be done

Speaker 2 as fast as the rocket is built, not slower,

Speaker 2 then we could become a space-faring civilization and a multi-planet species

Speaker 2 and be out there among the stars in the future. And there's

Speaker 2 you know, it's it's just very like it's incredibly important that we have things that we find inspiring, that you look to the future and say the future is going to be better than the past, Things to look forward to.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 like kids are

Speaker 2 a good way to assess this. Like, what are kids fired up about?

Speaker 2 And if you could say,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 you could be an astronaut on Mars. You could maybe one day

Speaker 2 go beyond the solar system.

Speaker 2 We could make Star Trek, Starfleet Academy real.

Speaker 2 That is an exciting future. That is inspiring.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I mean, you need things that move your heart. Right.

Speaker 2 Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 Let's do it.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 like, like, life can't just be about solving one miserable problem after another. There's got to be things that you look forward to as well.
Yeah. And

Speaker 2 do you think you might have to move it to a different jurisdiction to move faster? I've always wondered if, like,

Speaker 2 rocket technology is considered an advanced weapons technology, so we can't just go do it, you know, in another country, yes, in a yeah, interesting.

Speaker 2 And if we don't do it, other countries could do it. I mean, they're so far behind us, but theoretically, there's a national security

Speaker 2 justification here if somebody can put their thinking caps on, like, do we want to have this technology that you're building, the team's working so hard on, stolen by other countries?

Speaker 2 And then, you know, maybe they don't have as much red tape.

Speaker 2 I wish people were trying to steal it.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 no one's trying to steal it. It's just too

Speaker 2 crazy, basically.

Speaker 2 And that's for you. Yeah, it's way too crazy.

Speaker 3 Elon, what do you think is going on that led to Boeing

Speaker 3 building the star line the way that they did? They were able to get it up.

Speaker 2 But not complete. But can't complete.
They can't finish. Can't finish.

Speaker 2 And now they're going to have to go up and finish.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I mean, I think Boeing is a company that is,

Speaker 2 they actually do so much business with the government, they have sort of impedance match to the government.

Speaker 2 So they're like basically one notch away from the government. Maybe

Speaker 2 they're not far from the government from an efficiency standpoint because they derive so much of their revenue from the government.

Speaker 2 Now, a lot of people think, well, SpaceX is super dependent on the government. And actually, no, most of our revenue is commercial.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 and there's

Speaker 2 been, I think, at least up until perhaps recently, because they have a new CEO who actually shows up in the factory.

Speaker 2 And the CEO before that, I think, had a degree in accounting and never went to the factory and didn't know how airplanes flew.

Speaker 2 So, I think if you are in charge of a company that makes airplanes fly and

Speaker 2 a spacecraft go to orbit,

Speaker 2 then it can't be a total mystery as to how they work.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I'm like, sure, if somebody's like running Coco or Pepsi and they're great at marketing or whatever,

Speaker 2 that's fine, because

Speaker 2 it's not a sort of technology-dependent business.

Speaker 2 Or if they're running

Speaker 2 financial consulting and their degrees in accounting, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 But I think

Speaker 2 if you're the cavalry captain, you should know how to ride a horse.

Speaker 2 Pretty basic. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a good deal.

Speaker 2 It's like it's disconcerting if the cavalry captain just falls off the horse.

Speaker 2 He's stuck in spirit.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, I'm scared of horses. He gets on backwards.
I'm like, oops.

Speaker 2 Shifting gears to AI, Peter was here earlier and he was talking about how so far the only company to really make money off AI is NVIDIA with the chips.

Speaker 2 Do you have a sense yet of where you think the big applications will be from AI? Is it going to be enabling self-driving? Is it going to be enabling robots? Is it transforming industries?

Speaker 2 I mean, it's still, I think, early in terms of where the big business impact is going to be. Do you have a sense yet?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I think the

Speaker 2 spending on AI probably runs ahead of, I mean, it does run ahead of the revenue right now.

Speaker 2 There's no question about that.

Speaker 2 But the rate of improvement of AI is faster than any technology I've ever seen by far. And

Speaker 2 it's

Speaker 2 I mean, like the the for example, a Turing test used to be a thing.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 you know, your basic open source random LLM you're writing on a friggin' Raspberry Pi probably could

Speaker 2 beat the Turing test.

Speaker 2 So there's

Speaker 2 I think actually

Speaker 2 like like

Speaker 2 the the good future of AI is one of immense prosperity where

Speaker 2 there is an age of abundance, no shortage of goods and services. Everyone can have whatever they want, unless except for things we artificially define to be scarce, like some special artwork.

Speaker 2 But anything that is of manufactured good or provided service,

Speaker 2 I think, with the advent of AI plus robotics, that the cost of goods and services will be will

Speaker 2 trend to zero.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying it'll be actually zero, but it'll be

Speaker 2 everyone will be able to have anything they want.

Speaker 2 That's the good future. Of course,

Speaker 2 in my view, that's probably 80% likely. So look on the bright side.

Speaker 2 Only

Speaker 2 20% probably of annihilation. It's nothing.

Speaker 2 Is the 20%, like, what does that look like?

Speaker 2 I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, frankly, I do have to go engage in some degree of deliberate suspension of disbelief with respect to AI in order to sleep well.

Speaker 2 And even then,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 I think the actual issue, the most likely issue is like, well, how do we find meaning in a world where AI can do everything we can do a bit better?

Speaker 2 That is perhaps the bigger challenge.

Speaker 2 Although,

Speaker 2 at this point, I know more and more people who are retired and they seem to enjoy that life.

Speaker 2 but I think that that may be, maybe there'll be some crisis of meaning, like because the computer can do everything you can do, but better, so ma maybe that'll be a challenge.

Speaker 2 But really,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 you need the sort of end effectors. You need the

Speaker 2 ro autonomous cars and

Speaker 2 you need the sort of humanoid robots or r your general purpose robots. But

Speaker 2 once you have general purpose humanoid robots

Speaker 2 and autonomous vehicles,

Speaker 2 really

Speaker 2 you can build anything.

Speaker 2 And I think that there's no actual limit to the size of the economy. I mean, there's obviously

Speaker 2 the mass of Earth, that would be one limit.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the economy is really just the average productivity per person times number of people. That's the economy.
And if you've got humanoid robots that can do, you know,

Speaker 2 where there's no real limit on the number of humanoid robots,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 they can operate very intelligently, then there's no actual limit to the economy,

Speaker 2 there's no meaningful limit to the economy.

Speaker 3 You guys just turned on Colossus, which is like the largest private compute cluster, I guess, of GPUs anywhere.

Speaker 2 It's the most powerful supercomputer of any kind.

Speaker 3 Which sort of speaks to what what David said and kind of what Peter said, which is a lot of the kind of economic value so far of AI has entirely gone to NVIDIA.

Speaker 3 But there are people with alternatives, and you're actually one with an alternative. Now, you have a very specific case because Dojo is really about images and large images, huge video.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, I mean, the Tesla problem is different from the

Speaker 2 sort of LLM problem.

Speaker 2 The nature of the intelligence actually is actually,

Speaker 2 what matters in the AI is different

Speaker 2 to the point you just made, which is that in Tesla's case, the context length is very long. So you've got gigabytes of context.
Gigabyte context windows, yeah. Yeah, you've got, you know,

Speaker 2 sort of

Speaker 2 kind of billions of tokens of context. Nighty amount of context because you've got

Speaker 2 seven cameras and if you've got several, you know, let's say you've got a minute of several high-def cameras, then that's gigabytes.

Speaker 2 So you need to compress, so the Tesla problem is you've got to compress a gigantic context

Speaker 2 into the pixels that actually matter

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 condense that over a time. So you've got to, in both

Speaker 2 the time dimension and the space dimension, you've got to compress the pixels

Speaker 2 in space and the pixels over in time

Speaker 2 and then have have that inference done on a tiny computer, relatively speaking,

Speaker 2 like a few hundred watts.

Speaker 2 It's a Tesla-designed AI inference computer, which by the way, still the best. There isn't a better thing we could buy from suppliers.

Speaker 2 So the Tesla-designed AI inference computer that's in the cars is better than anything we could buy from any supplier. Just, by the way, that's kind of a

Speaker 2 Tesla AI chip team is extremely good.

Speaker 3 Well, you guys, in the design, there was a technical paper and there was a a deck that somebody on your team from Tesla published, and it was stunning to me.

Speaker 2 You designed your own transport control layer over Ethernet.

Speaker 3 You're like, ah, Ethernet's not good enough for us. You have this TT COE or something, and you're like, oh, we're just going to reinvent Ethernet and string these chips.

Speaker 2 It's pretty incredible stuff that's happening over there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, the team, the Tesla chip design team is extremely, extremely good.

Speaker 3 But is there a world where, for example, other people over time that need some sort of like video use case or image use case theoretically, you know, you'd say, oh, why not?

Speaker 3 You know, I have some extra cycles over here, so which should kind of make you a competitor of NVIDIA. It's not intentionally per se, but.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, the

Speaker 2 you know, this training and inference, and we do have

Speaker 2 those two projects at Tesla. We've got Dojo, which is the training computer,

Speaker 2 and then

Speaker 2 our inference chip, which is in every car inference computer.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 and at Dojo, we've only had Dojo one. Dojo two is

Speaker 2 you know should be we should have dojo two in volume towards the end of next year.

Speaker 2 And that that will be, we think, sort of comparable to

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 sort of a B200 type system, a training system.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so there's I guess there's some potential for that to be used as a service.

Speaker 2 Dojo

Speaker 2 is just kind of like, I mean,

Speaker 2 I guess I have some

Speaker 2 improved confidence in Dojo.

Speaker 2 But I think we won't really know how good Dojo is until probably version three. It usually takes three major iterations on a technology for it to be excellent.

Speaker 2 And we'll only have the second major iteration next year.

Speaker 2 The third iteration, I don't know, maybe late, you know, 26 or something like that.

Speaker 2 How's the Optimus project going? I remember when we talked last, and you said this publicly, that it's in doing some light testing inside the factory.

Speaker 2 So it's actually being useful. What's the build of materials and when, you know, for something like that at scale?

Speaker 2 So when you start making it like you're making the Model 3 now and there's a million of them coming off the factory line, what would they cost? $20,000, $30,000, $40,000, you think?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I've discovered really that

Speaker 2 anything made in sufficient volume will asymptotically approach the cost of

Speaker 2 its materials.

Speaker 2 So now there's, I should say, there's

Speaker 2 So some things are constrained by the cost of intellectual property and like paying for patents and stuff. So a lot of, you know,

Speaker 2 what's in a chip is like paying royalties

Speaker 2 and depreciation of the chip bab. So but the actual marginal cost of the chips is very low.

Speaker 2 So so Optimus it obviously is mu a humanoid robot,

Speaker 2 it weighs much less and is much smaller than a car.

Speaker 2 So the you could expect that in high volume

Speaker 2 And I'd say that you also probably need three three production versions of Optimus. So you need to refine the design three at least three major times, and then you need to scale production to

Speaker 2 sort of the million unit plus per year level.

Speaker 2 And I think at that point,

Speaker 2 the cost,

Speaker 2 the labor and materials on Optimus is probably not much more than $10,000.

Speaker 2 And that's a decade-long journey, maybe?

Speaker 2 Basically, think of it like Optimus will cost less than

Speaker 2 a small car.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 at scale volume with three major iterations of technology. And so if a small car

Speaker 2 costs $25,000,

Speaker 2 it's probably like $20,000 for an optimist for a humanoid robot that can be your body like a combination of R2-D2 and C3PO, but better.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 honestly, I think people are going to get really attached to their humanoid robot because, I mean, like, you look at sort of, you watch Star Star Wars and it's like R2D2 and C3 robot.

Speaker 2 I love those guys.

Speaker 2 You know, they're awesome.

Speaker 2 And their personality and I mean, and all

Speaker 2 R2 could do is just beep at you.

Speaker 2 Cause couldn't speak English.

Speaker 2 And C3 field to translate the beeps. So you're in year two of that, if you did two or three years per iteration or something, it's a decade-long journey for this to hit some sort of scale.

Speaker 2 I would say mid major iterations are less than two years so

Speaker 2 it's probably on the order of five years yeah

Speaker 2 maybe six to get to a million units a year and at that price point everybody can afford one on planet earth I mean it's going to be that one to one two to one what do you think ultimately if we're sitting here in 30 years the number of robots on the planet versus humans yeah I think the number of robots will vastly exceed the number of humans vastly yeah vastly exceed I mean you have to say like who who would not want their robot buddy?

Speaker 2 Everyone wants a robot buddy.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just like,

Speaker 2 especially if it can, you know,

Speaker 2 you know, it can take care of your, your, take your dog for a walk, it could, you know,

Speaker 2 mow the lawn, it could watch your kids,

Speaker 2 it could, you know, like,

Speaker 2 it could teach your kids, it could, it could. We could also send it to Mars.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. We could send a lot of robots to Mars to do the work needed to make it a colonized planet for humans.
And Mars is already the robot planet.

Speaker 2 There's like a whole bunch of robots, like rovers and

Speaker 2 helicopters, only robots.

Speaker 2 So yeah,

Speaker 2 I think the sort of useful humanoid robot opportunity is the single biggest opportunity

Speaker 2 ever.

Speaker 2 Because if you assume like that, I mean

Speaker 2 the ratio of humanoid robots to humans is going to be at least two to one, maybe three to one.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 everybody will want one, and then there'll be a bunch of robots that you don't see that are making goods and services.

Speaker 3 And you think it's one generalized robot that then learns how to do different tasks?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hey, um. I mean, we are a generalized robot.
Yeah, we're a generalized robot. We're just non-robot.
We're just made of meat. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 We're a meatball. We're generalized meatball.
Yeah, I mean, I'm operating my meat puppet, you know.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, we are actually.

Speaker 2 And rather, it turns out like as we're designing Optimus, we sort of learn more and more about why humans are shaped the way they're shaped. And

Speaker 2 why we have five fingers and why your little finger is smaller than your index finger.

Speaker 2 Obviously why you have opposable thumbs, but also why, for example,

Speaker 2 the muscles, the major muscles that operate your hand are actually in your forearm. And your fingers are primarily operated,

Speaker 2 the muscles that actuate your fingers are located, the vast majority of your finger strength is actually coming from your forearm.

Speaker 2 And your fingers are being operated by tendons, little strings.

Speaker 2 And so the current version of the optimus hand

Speaker 2 has the actuators in the hand and has only 11 degrees of freedom.

Speaker 2 So it can't, it's not as, it doesn't have all the degrees of freedom of human hand, which has, depending on how you count it, roughly 25 degrees of freedom.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's also like

Speaker 2 not strong enough in certain ways because the actuators have to fit in the hand.

Speaker 2 So the next generation Optimus hand, which we have in prototype form,

Speaker 2 the actuators have moved to the forearm, just like a human. and they operate the fingers through cables, just like the human hand.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the next generation hand has 22 degrees of freedom,

Speaker 2 which we think is

Speaker 2 enough to do almost anything that a human can do.

Speaker 3 And presumably, I think it was written that

Speaker 3 X and Tesla may work together and

Speaker 3 provide services. But my immediate thought went to, oh, if you just provide a Grok to the robot, then the robot has a personality and can process voice and video and images and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 As we wrap here,

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 everybody talks about all the projects you're working on, but people don't know you have a great sense of humor.

Speaker 2 That's not true. Oh, you do.
You do.

Speaker 2 People don't see it, but I would say,

Speaker 2 I know for me, the funniest week of my life, or one of the funniest, was when you did SNL and

Speaker 2 you got to tag along. Maybe you saw it.

Speaker 2 Maybe behind the scenes, like some of your funniest recollections of chaotic, insane week when we laughed for 12 hours a day. It was a little terrorizing on the first couple of days, but.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was a bit worried at the beginning there because, frankly, nothing was funny.

Speaker 2 Day one was rough. Rough.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so, I mean.

Speaker 2 Well, it's like a rule, but can't you guys just say it?

Speaker 3 Just say the stuff that got on the cutting.

Speaker 2 The funniest skits were the ones they didn't let you do. That's what I'm saying.
Can you just say that? There were a couple of funny ones, yeah, that they didn't let you do.

Speaker 2 You can say it so that he doesn't get it. I mean, how much time do we have here? Well, we should just give one or two because it was

Speaker 2 in your mind, which one do we regret most not getting on air?

Speaker 2 Do you really want to hear that? I mean,

Speaker 2 I mean, it was a little spicy, it was a little funny.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 here we go. All right, here we go, guys.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 So one of the things that

Speaker 2 I think everyone's been sort of wondering this whole time is, is

Speaker 2 Saturday Night Live actually live?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 live, live? Or do they have like a delay or like just in case, you know, there's a wardrobe malfunction or something like that?

Speaker 2 Is it like a

Speaker 2 five-second delay? What's really going on? But there's a way to test this. Right.

Speaker 2 We came run it away. There's a way to test this.

Speaker 2 Which is, we don't tell them what's going on.

Speaker 2 I walk on and says, this is the script. I'll throw it on the ground.
We're going to find out tonight, right now,

Speaker 2 if Saturday Night Live is actually live.

Speaker 2 And the way that we're going to do this is I'm going to take my cock out.

Speaker 2 This is great.

Speaker 2 ever.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 if you see my car,

Speaker 2 you know it's true.

Speaker 2 And if you don't, it's been a lie. It's been a lie all these years.
All these years.

Speaker 2 We're going to bust them right now. And this, we're pitching this.
Yeah, yeah, so we're pitching this. On Zoom.
Yeah, we're pitching this on Zoom on like a Monday afternoon.

Speaker 2 We're kind of hungover from the weekend and we're like pitching this to like moon.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's, you know, Jason's on

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 and Mike you know so essentially got like you know who my friends both think are sort of you know quite funny

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 Jason's quite funny I think like like Jason's the closest thing to Cartman that exists in the real life

Speaker 2 we have a joke going that he's butters and I'm Cartman yeah

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 and then our friend Mike's pretty funny too so so

Speaker 2 we come in just like

Speaker 2 guns blazing with ideas.

Speaker 2 And we didn't realize, actually, that's not how it works. And

Speaker 2 that's normally like actors, and they just get told what to do. I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 You mean we can't just

Speaker 2 do funny things that we thought of? What?

Speaker 2 They're watching this and on the Zoom, they're aghast at the beginning. It's not like

Speaker 2 silence.

Speaker 2 And I was like, is this thing working?

Speaker 2 Are we muted? Is that Mike on? And they're like, we hear you.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 after a long silence,

Speaker 2 Mike just says the word crickets. Crickets.
And they're not laughing. And they're not going to

Speaker 2 chuckle. I'm like, what's going on? And then Elon explains the punchline.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Exactly. So

Speaker 2 there's more to it. Okay.
Yes.

Speaker 2 That's just the beginning.

Speaker 2 So Elon says.

Speaker 2 So then I'm like,

Speaker 2 so so

Speaker 2 I say, like,

Speaker 2 I'm going to reach down

Speaker 2 into my fence, and I'm going to stick my hand on my fence, and I'm going to pull my cog, and I tell this to the audience, and the audience is going to be like, go!

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And then I pull out

Speaker 2 a baby rooster.

Speaker 2 You know? Yes. And it's like, okay, this is kind of PG.
You know, it's like not that bad. It's like it's sort

Speaker 2 this is my tiny cock. And

Speaker 2 it's like,

Speaker 2 what do you think?

Speaker 2 And so then. And do you think it's a nice cock? I mean, I like it.

Speaker 2 And then Kate McKennon walks out. Yeah, exactly.
And I'm like, oh, no, but you haven't heard half of it. Kate McKennon comes out.
Yeah. And she says, Elon, I expected.
you would have a bigger cock.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 I don't mean to disappoint you, Kate, but yeah.

Speaker 2 but I hope you like it anyway

Speaker 2 Kate's got to come out with with with her cat, okay, right

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 you can see where this is going and I say nice wow, that's that's what that's a that's a nice pussy you've got there Kate

Speaker 2 Wow, that's amazing

Speaker 2 It looks a little wet. Was it raining outside?

Speaker 2 Do you mind if I stroke your pussy? Is that cool? It's like,

Speaker 2 oh no, Elon, actually, can I hold your cock?

Speaker 2 Of course, Kate. You will

Speaker 2 definitely hold my cock.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, we exchange. And I think just the audio version of this was pretty good.
Right.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, it's like, wow,

Speaker 2 I really like stroking your cock. And I was like,

Speaker 2 Elon says, I'm really enjoying stroking your pussy. Yes, of course.
And

Speaker 2 yeah, so, you know.

Speaker 2 They're looking at us like, oh my God, what have we done inviting these lunatics on the program?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then they said like, well,

Speaker 2 it is Mother's Day.

Speaker 2 It's Mother's Day. We might not want to go with this one.
A lot of moms in the audience. And I'm like, well, that's a good point.
Fair, fair.

Speaker 2 It might be a bit uncomfortable for all the moms in the audience, maybe. I don't know.
I don't know. Maybe they'll dig it.
Maybe they'll like it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 That's the

Speaker 2 cold open that didn't make it. We didn't get that on the air.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 we did fight for Doge. Yes.
And we got Doge on it. I mean, there's a bunch of things that I said that were just not on the script.

Speaker 2 They have these cue cards for what you're supposed to say, and I just didn't say it. I just went off the rails.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Didn't see that coming. Yeah, it's live.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 it's live.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 Elon wanted to do Doge. This is the other one.
And he wanted to do Doge on late night. And he says, hey, Jake Howell, can you make sure.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I wanted to do the Doge Father. Like you sort of redo that scene from

Speaker 2 the Godfather. I mean, you kind of need the music to cue things up.

Speaker 2 You bring me on my daughter's wedding.

Speaker 2 This and you ask for Doge. Yeah, you got Marlon Brando.
And I give you Bitcoin, but you want Doge. Exactly.

Speaker 2 You really got to set the mood. You got to have a tuxedo.
You got this whole drop off this in the Doge. You're going to have

Speaker 2 problems like Marlon Brando.

Speaker 2 You come to me on this day of my Doge's wedding.

Speaker 2 And you ask me for your private keys.

Speaker 2 Are you even a friend?

Speaker 2 You call me the Doge Deutsch Father.

Speaker 2 Bona Sera, Bona Sera.

Speaker 2 So that has potential. They had great potential.
So they come to me, and I'm talking to Colin

Speaker 2 and Joast, who's got a great sense of humor, and he's amazing. He loves Elon.
And he's like, we can't do it because of the law and stuff like that. The law? The law and liability.

Speaker 2 So I said, it's okay. Elon called Comcast, and he put in an offer, and they just accepted it.
He just bought NBC, so it's fine.

Speaker 2 And Colin Jones looks at me. I see him so good.
And he's like,

Speaker 2 you're serious? I'm like, yep, we own NBC now.

Speaker 2 And he's like, okay, well, that kind of changes things, doesn't it? I'm like, absolutely. We're a go on Doge.

Speaker 2 And then he's like, you're fucking with me. And I'm like, I'm fucking with you.

Speaker 2 Or are we? Or are we?

Speaker 2 It was the greatest week of, and that is like two of 10 stories. Yeah, we got it.
Yeah, we got to. We'll save the other eight.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it was, and I was just so happy for you to see you have a great week of just joy and fun and letting go because you were launching rockets. You're dealing with so much bullshit in your life.

Speaker 2 To have those moments, to share them and just laugh,

Speaker 2 it was just so great. And more of those moments.
I think

Speaker 2 we got to get you back on SNL. Who wants them back on SNL one more time? All right, ladies ladies and gentlemen, our bestie, Elon Musk.