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Go to allin.com slash events to buy a ticket. And we're really excited today because for the first time in all in history we have a comedian we have somebody talented on the program ain't that the truth you know ain't that the truth real comedian someone that knows how to make good jokes all right it's true andrew i think i feel like that was a dick to me but okay andrew schultz is here how are we doing boys thank you for having me schultz pleasure you just you gotta you're on heater right right now you took time to come on the all in pod thank you for doing that of course your netflix special yes he's crushing it top 10 around the world it's called life yeah l-i-f-e pretty cool it's about your low sperm count yeah i am the face of sperm so which that's kind of like crazy because you've got a mustache of a 70s porn star how is it overcompensating you know i think i gotta trick people with the stash when in reality yeah yeah the balls you're firing blanks dude it's bad yeah it's uh this special is so good this special so much man i appreciate it we all watched it we were it's hilarious and um you got three old guys here who also have had to deal with some of these issues you guys have ivf you guys do ivf for the babies chamath you want to be honest here or are you are you au natural did you hit the three from half court logo shot what happened my first four kids were natural my fifth was ivf okay yeah i don't think we're surprised there's like two billion of you guys you know it's uh it's easy to get the job done you know there's a there was a period there was a period after the facebook ipo i swear to god i would look at chicks on instagram and get them pregnant it was really it was brutal are they coming to collect hope not how many settlements you got shaman how many ideas uh all right free yeah yeah we're off to a hot start here freeberg you look like you have a low sperm count but you have a fourth kid on the way but uh apparently what's the story are you au natural this is for the first time ever nobody knew thisberg, au naturel, with your 3.5 babies.

100%.

Wow.

A vegan who's shooting with a sniper rifle.

I love it.

I don't believe it.

I'll find you guys a great study about veganism and libido.

Is that right?

Yeah, very impressive.

What does it do?

Reduce the woman's?

Exactly.

Oh, my God. I know a place with the best roast cauliflower.
We'll let your winners ride. Rain Man David Sack.
And it said we open source it to the fans, and they've just gone crazy with it. Love you, Wesley.
I'm going all in. By the way, can I just tell you how much I hate cauliflower everywhere I go? That is the dish.
I had it for dinner. It's the main course.
Yeah, it's the main course. Just like having a rib eye, except it's disgusting.
There's two things they offer you, portobello mushroom and roasted cauliflower. That's what Sean does every time you show up at the house.
Are you an impossible meat guy? No, I don't like that stuff. It's gross.
Okay. Okay.
By the way, you guys want to hear a quick science corner? So, you know how we talked about Yamanaka factors? There is a roaring yes. Wow.
He's like, yeah, I don't care. This is nice and topical.
Let me hit this real quick because I know we're never going to get to it because you guys just bullshitting around talking about politics for an hour. This is important science talk, Sheltie.
Yeah. Hit us.
Hit us. You know how you can use Yamanaka factors, we talked about these, to basically turn a cell into a stem cell, right? Of course.
And that's what goes on in the lab. Andrew, you're familiar with the Yamanaka factor research.
Everybody knows about the Yamanaka factors. You've been all over it for a while.
Dude, I've seen Squid Game. Yeah, absolutely.
You think I don't know about the Yamanaka factor? Come on. I can tell you.
The Yamanaka factor. Everybody knows about it.
You didn't visit the Yamanaka factory when you were in Kyoto? I went to the Yamanaka factor, and I swear to God, that guy showed up 15 minutes late, and he stabbed himself in the stomach right there. Right there? He killed himself right there.
Yeah, it's called Sudoku. Exactly.
Sudoku. He did Sudoku in under a minute.
Sudoku. Okay, never mind.
We'll come back to the science. Tell us.
So the interesting work going on right now is you basically can take any cell from a person's body, turn it into a stem cell, and then turn that stem cell ultimately into an egg cell. So you no longer need to go harvest eggs.
And so you don't need to actually go get the eggs from the woman. You can make eggs from skin cells, for example.
So in the next couple of years, there's, you know, there's a few little technical breakthroughs that are happening right now that will enable this, where fertility clinics may end up just taking a little bit of your skin cell, creating stem cells, creating egg cells, and that's how we're gonna end up doing IVF in the future. At any age.
So you can make eggs at any age, and you can ultimately produce offspring at any age. You don't need to actually have active, healthy eggs.
And this, wow. You this you like that one right this is fantastic because this is a nice workaround for the people that are trying to uh ban ivf because of the abortion protocol they're based because it basically light believes uh begins a conception as part of their belief right but and the idea you could take one egg cell you could take one exactly make what you do, those people don't know.
But like we do with IVF is you try to harvest as many as you possibly can because not all of them are viable. And it's a pretty brutal process for the woman to go through.
But if you could just grab something from the skin, you'd have almost unlimited when a woman is born, she has all her eggs in her body. And as she ages, those eggs get depleted.
And eventually she doesn't have very good viable eggs left over. So this gets around that problem of not having viable eggs, we can be very selective about the eggs.
And so there's a future here in the next couple of years, where fertility becomes simpler, hopefully, easier and more widely available service than it is today, where it's really challenging technically, and you've got to go do something that's invasive. And, you know, you've got to hope that there's good healthy eggs, and there's a good number of eggs, and so on and so forth.
So really interesting. Awesome.
This is awesome. Schultz, did they sit you down and give you like the embryos that that were viable and the grades and the gender and you pick one? And what did you pick? We just picked the best.
So this is a lot of pressure on that first one. Like all the other kids afterwards i feel like don't have as much yeah come out of the gate strong have a good first quarter and then whatever that's all good so i gotta ask you wait you didn't say if you had i was about to i'm about to put it out there i didn't have ivf okay but the first time we had the first kid wife says hey we're ovulate i'm ovulating i said put me in the game boom first shot half court logo pregnant wow then she says i want to wait before i have the next one it's a little traumatic to have a kid and she waits six years then we try for a year nothing for one year so now i'm like oh man we waited too long it's a lot of pressure you talk about this in the special it's like for women this is anxiety producing so she's like you got to go get checked out and this is when the most humiliating day of my life occurred i don't know andy what it was like when you went but uh they found all these grifters can they can they identify grifters through the microscope no no no i walk in and the thing opens and there's three women at the counter at the reception and they're like hey jason calicanis you're here to give a you know i'm like yeah i am and then they walk you to a room oh that's the spookiest thing yeah they walk you to a room and then they open it up and it's like some nightmare scenario where there's a motel eight room and there's a couch that's about three feet three feet wide and there's a towel on it and there's a towel on it and that sofa is not clothed for a reason no it's like no it needs to be cleanable it's like cheap leather couch very much like the hotel you're in schultz i don't know what's going on with the netflix budget maybe they they could put you in the Four Seasons or the Peninsula? It's so brutal.
You did this, right? You had to go? The grainy television with the porn. You're lucky you got the TV.
I went to the phone. I had no porn.
I had nothing. I didn't even have any service in there, which was another thing that was annoying.
What did you do? You Rolodexed it? No, Spank Bank. You had to go to Spank Bank.
That's what I'm talking about. The Rolodex, you roll

through all the memories. Think about the memories,

man, of my wife and only my wife

and nobody else.

That's what I was thinking about. All those great moments

with your wife. All those great moments.
Maybe there

was accidentally one or two

that got left in from when you were on the road.

It's possible some absolute

would jump into the dreams that I had with my wife. That might be possible.
I would never want them to be there. No, that was the director's cut.
There's nothing I could do. But yeah, it is also funny how like we dramatize our experience.
We got the easiest thing to do in the whole thing. We just got to go into a room and jerk off as if that's hard for us.
But we're like, the room is destitute and brutalist and the furniture was uncomfortable. Speaking of jerk-offs, speaking of jerk-offs, Gavin Newsom's got a podcast.
So I think that this is a great idea. Despite what you think about his politics, is he a plastic bag in the wind? Yes.
but it is a great idea despite what you think about his politics is he a plastic bag in the wind yes but it is a great demonstration of like how americans admire bravery or courage and we don't like i think that's what the democrats kind of displayed in the last election i want to get too political about this like no sorry but like your opinion one man's yeah it's more just like i i responded culturally culturally i don't give a about the tribalism and politics but i'll just be honest so having him have like charlie kirk right there who's like a professional arguer that he is whatever you know how like some people are autistic for dinosaurs he's that for arguing right and to like sit across from him to even address the french laundry i was like okay

this is actually the right thing to do so as as as easy as it is for us to sit here and go okay

this guy wants just wants to be president like this is a dumb thing like blah blah blah it's

actually what the democrats should be doing so i think we need to reward i think we need to reward

this behavior we want more conversation we want conversation with people especially that like

Thank you. So I think we need to reward this behavior.
We want more conversation. We want conversation with people, especially that you may disagree with.
And the second podcast he put out, I thought was the most impactful. There was one piece that was incredibly impactful.
He's talking to some guy. I don't know who he was.
Some guy who grew up in San Francisco. He's like a fisherman.
Yeah, Mike Savage. Michael Savage.
He was talking about the taxes. And he's paying all this money in taxes in california and what does he get from it and then newsom said that like yeah rich people are going to pay more but your actual like functional tax rate if you're middle class would be more if you lived in florida because of the other stuff you get taxed on this is the type of information that like you guys might be privy to, but the average person doesn't.
They hop on. So you're saying he's like being human and addressing real issues instead of like culture war issues and just talking like.
I think he's going culture war like that's culture war, but he's actually putting out valuable information that defends the positions he may have taken in government that the average person doesn't really know. The average person like me just goes, all right, I'm in New York.
I'm getting clipped at 50% and 5% city tax. I'm getting crushed.
But if I lived in Florida or Texas, I'd say 13% and it'd be a complete wash when there might be someone making 50 grand a year and they move from California to Texas and they they lose money and they don't know that because they're just listening to rich guys on podcasts talk about how much money they save when they move to texas well you don't have to take a shot on this but yeah okay i think it was personal i moved to texas this year it's more of a shot at me and freeberg but go ahead okay uh chamath your thoughts on gavin's new podcast what do you think you you know you were, there was famously a little dip of the toe where somebody made a podcast,

I'm sorry, a landing page

that you were going to run for governor.

We had a little fun with that.

What do you think of Gavin?

What do you think of his podcast?

I think he's an excellent politician.

It's clear he's starting the 2028 campaign.

Okay.

I think he's done a really good job so far.

I think Schultz is right.

He is unwinding all of the kind of like landmines that the democrats have stepped on i think he's learned what kamala did wrong and now he's taking this very narrow path which is like i'm gonna basically disavow all the stuff that people don't care about.

So all the gender woke ideology stuff, I don't think you're going to hear him talk about. He'll try to drive a narrow wedge on these economic issues.
So I don't know. I mean, I think it's going to create a really dynamic 2028 campaign if he gets momentum.
By the way, his popularity has gone up, which is insane. Which, after the fires and all of the ineptitude in California,

all of the corporations that have run away,

all of the people that have left,

the chaos in San Francisco,

after all of that, he started a podcast and his popularity has gone up.

It's really incredible.

Coming around the horn, Friedberg.

What do you think of Gavin Newsom?

Look, I think the podcast was brilliant. I when i watched it i was hooked because there are two things that i think were critical in how he runs it firstly is he is showing for the first time i think that i have ever seen a democrat do or republican in politics, active listening to the other side.
It seems so crazy that this is some sort of special event and special concept. But this active listening moment where you see a politician, it totally breaks down the walls where you immediately feel on guard or on offense against that person.
Because if someone's actively listening to you, you actually feel like you're on the same side somehow, and you're trying to come to a conclusion together. And so what that does is it invites the person on the other side, in this case, the audience, the listener, to be with Gavin, part of the kind of coming together.
The second thing I think he did that's really brilliant is so much of the modern political bimodalism where you're in one camp or the other means that everything is a one or a

zero.

You know, Andrew talked about this.

We're all generally, I think, none of us would consider ourselves political party affiliates.

We are all generally people that like to think for ourselves on a topic or an issue, and

we don't care about what party is associated.

But the way modern politics has evolved is you don't debate the topics, you debate the one or the zero, because of what the party says. My party says this is the position, therefore I'm a one and you're a zero.
And the other side says I'm the one, you're the zero, meaning everything has to be binary. I'm completely right, you're completely wrong.
And I think what Gavin has done is he's shown that these are not ones and zeros. They're 80-20 or 60-40 or 55-45.
And he's willing to acknowledge that. He's showing that, you know what? We might be only 45% right.
And on so many topics, the Democratic Party has ended up slightly wrong. They're 45-55.
It's not that they're a zero or a one. They slightly off on taxes they're slightly off on social issues and they're off just enough that they lost the election all right just enough that they lost tax breast tax andrew 2028 trump's running for his third term versus gavin newsom who do you vote for i mean we gotta run it back for a third term for trump no doubt of course uh no obviously i believe no but wasn't a third term gavin versus trump who would you go i it's it's i mean i gotta see what his like policies are and i gotta see where america is i think they're like the big misunderstanding with this last election is that at least the democrats who are still trying to like vilify these figures on the right what they don't understand is they think that this was like some populist election where like people just fell in love with Trump and they just loved it so much.

They would just do whatever he says.

What I think is harder for them to grapple with is the self-reflection of a rejectionist vote.

So I think people rejected the democratic proposal.

100%.

And they went with what the other alternative was, which was Trump. And that's a way tougher pill to swallow.
You have to look back at everything you've done and go, wow, we're off. We're not listening to the people.
This guy listens to the people. I mean, it seems like I'm fluffing Trump here, but like, I would say that his greatest skill is listening to what people say.
And I think a lot of times there's this Ivy League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party where it's like, we know it's better for you. And I know you say you want these things.
You don't really want that. Let us, we've studied and we've talked about it in our little thought experiments in class.
So we know what you need. You just shut up and we'll take it.
It's condescending. And exactly.
So I think that like when people go, ah, the food is giving me cancer. And then he appoints the guy who says the food is bad to run the food.
The American people go, well, that kind of seems like a good thing. I like that.
You know, it is like an acute understanding and listening to what people are saying. And sometimes to his disadvantage,

like he came out against that.

They were putting some like tax on people who drive into Manhattan or

whatever,

like congestion pricing and initially people really rejected it.

Right.

And then,

so he was like,

we're getting rid of congestion pricing.

And like two weeks after they put that congestion pricing thing, everybody I knew with a car was like, this is the greatest thing the city is.

Yeah, you can actually move. Right.
You can take a taxi and it's faster than the subway.

Overreach is good. Bureaucracy is nice.

Like, yeah, you want a car, stay in the boroughs.

Exactly. So you don't get a car in Manhattan.
Explain this to people. It's a little bitious I mean you and I do Jason but everybody else shouldn't have it exactly our lives should be different you know what I mean absolutely absolutely but I mean what's the point of us having nice cars if we can't drive them whenever we want yes yes and you know we grew up at a time on the Lower East Side uh you know you could go to Tribeca we could go to a, limelight.
You could park outside the limelight at night. You could go to Palladium.
You could park on 14th Street. I park right on 14th Street, okay? I go to what used to be a church, right? And then I sniff.
Can I just say something? You do a little whatever. Listen, it's four in the morning.
You don't even know. Goofballs.
Between your stupid mustache and your ozempic turkey neck, I am totally for it. Go to something useful.
Are we going to let Chama sit there in MacGyver's funeral outfit and tell us that we're goofballs? I don't know. This guy's wearing a vest with a collar.
He looks like he's going to a Punjabi wake. I can't believe that he would even talk about the way that you're dressed and how you look.
is custom Laura piano boys. Really? Like you got it at Zara.
All right, listen. More importantly, let's stay on track.
Yes. Yes.
We got to stay on track. Can I tell you guys something about tariffs from a layman? Yeah.
Yeah. Please.
You guys are acutely aware of maybe how these things affect markets and yada, yada, yada. And most people don't have any fucking clue.
So the average person, right? I look at this, and I'm like, man, it kind of sucks that you got to like negotiate your, like, your bid for a car that you're going to buy publicly, right? So this is my assumption. And maybe I'm like a little bit more optimistic than most about the administration but if i go to buy a car and the car is listed 100k and i go offer the guy 80 right i don't want everybody around me yelling out how can you insult him by offering him 80 this is an insult and then i i can't go to them and i go i'm actually trying to settle at 90 i'm just saying So he comes down a little bit.
But the unfortunate thing when you litigate these things in front of the entire world is that they look at that first measure. There's 200% tax and Trump can't balk at it.
He can't go, yo, I'm just fucking, I'm just playing around with that number. I actually just getting them to come down 20% or 10% getting to come down.
Anything is a win. He can't say that because he loses all his leverage.
So he's got to sit here and then get criticized by, I don't know if it's half the country. I don't know who really ends up caring about what these tariffs do.
Obviously, there are repercussions in the market. I got a buddy of mine building a hotel out in Joshua Tree, and he's like, I don't even know if I can get brought into the country from Canada.
So it does affect people in real time. But it's impossible to do these negotiations with any leverage if you have the people within your own country questioning your ability to negotiate in real time.
But it's impossible to do these negotiations with any leverage if you have the

people within your own country questioning your ability to negotiate in real time. That is what the layman would think.
Well, I do think you're right in the sense that in the early days, when Trump was talking about tariffs, initially, everyone was like, Oh, my God, he's going to use tariffs, he's unpredictable. And then the narrative became he's using it as a negotiating tactic.
The problem is just like in poker, once everyone knows that there's this kind of action, it's exploitable. And so this is now kind of an exploitable mode of negotiation where everyone now assumes he's just trying to negotiate.
So no one actually takes him seriously. The question now is the response going to be that he's going to be serious about it? Or is he actually exploitable? And you saw what China's response was.
I kind of view China as like AI, like stuff goes into China, the AI processes it and it comes back out. China is like, obviously, the way they're kind of structured, you have very little psychosocial bias, like you do with other democratic governments.
It's very systematic. It's systematically processed.
Every piece of data is systematically processed. Every action action is systematically processed and so i think when you look at how the chinese ambassador responded to trump on twitter a few weeks ago where they're like you want war we'll give you war this is a hot war or cold war whatever you want we've never seen that from an ambassador to the united states president before done on twitter like this let alone the chinese ambassador So I think it says a lot about how the Chinese AI is processing the Trump negotiating tactic or the Trump positioning statements on tariffs, which indicates that there may be now, I mean, we can talk about what game theory optimal play might be in this kind of poker game, what's going to come next.
But there's a real assessment that they've made on how far he is willing to take it. They've got a conclusive statement, and they believe that this is the fastest way to kind of win their negotiating position.
But it says a lot about where this is all going. Everyone now understands or views this as an exploitable moment, which unfortunately means that tariffs may not work, or they're actually going to have to stick, which can be really ugly.
Yeah, it could be painful. Could be painful.
Shemath, your thoughts on the tariffs in Andrew's position? I think it's like 120 some odd years. Nick, maybe you can find this tweet that I had, but almost the majority of years as a nation, or close to a majority of the years as a nation, we had no income tax.
And the way that we would fund the programs that we needed was not from insiders, but from outsiders. And that's where the tariff was born, right? It's people domestically in America don't pay any taxes on the things that they do.
And instead, if you'd like to sell into the United States, you pay a reasonable tax. So this is the so many years.
So it's 126 years from 1776 to 1861. Then we paused it for a few years because of the Civil War.
We restarted again in 1872. And you notice when it stopped.
When it stopped was right around World War I, where this entire war machine broke out, and we've never looked back. So I don't know.
I think that one way to think about this is we're probably going to go back and explore, isn't it better if we have this incredibly vibrant and rich country of 330 million people with a ton of purchasing power? what happens if we put the burden not on them to fund the American infrastructure and social

programs and safety net, but if we put the burden on all the companies in the other 7.7 billion people in the world and the 185 plus countries that want access to these folks, should there be exceptions? Probably. Should there be waivers in very specific and narrow cases? Absolutely.
But I think that that's where these guys are going. And I think that you heard this, by the way, yesterday from Howard Lutnick.
I don't know if you guys saw this, but he said the Trump tax plan is going to cut federal income taxes to zero for anybody making 150K or less. It's crazy.
What would the vulnerability in that be? Like putting the burden on all of these expenses that we would incur on other countries what would that vulnerability for us be there are two the first expenses that's that's the key we keep the tariffs if we charge them to come into the market we charge them an extra 25 but it's it's we we talked about this last week if you cut the the budget, then it can be net neutral. That's

part of what they said. Got it.
But he's saying, what is the strategic vulnerability? I think the strategic vulnerability is two. The thing with tariffs is, and you're pointing out this, let's just say today you say there's a tariff and then tomorrow you say, oh, we found an agreement and we're going to take it off the table.
One piece of logic would say, wow, that's great. We're able to change our mind on a dime.
The problem for countries and companies is that they can't think in 24-hour blocks of time, right? They're making decisions in five and 10-year blocks of time. It's like, I'm going to go and borrow a billion dollars.
I'm going to go and build a data center. I'm going to borrow $10 billion.
I'm going to build tanks. Once you start that, you can't just stop it and then restart it.
So that's one strategic problem, which is that if you are not careful, some of these markets that are really crucial, I'll give you one which we talked about last week. Right now, 95% of all of the energy we generate in America is from renewables.
Whether you like it or not, that's just what it is. The reason why that's possible is because America has a very sophisticated market where all these people come from all corners of the world, insurance companies, life insurance companies, banks, and they fund all of it.
The reason is they can take a tax credit, they can lower their effective tax rate, they get a higher rate of return. It's all super complicated.
But the point is these incentives exist. If all of a sudden, you play around with that market, half that energy would go away, electricity prices would rise, inflation goes up.
And then if we have to go and compete against China for AI and a bunch of other stuff, where is the energy going to come from? You're going to brown out people? You're going to just turn their energy off so that you can fund a data center so that the TikTok algorithm is better? That's literally what we would have to decide. So that's one way.
And then the second way is if you're providing a critical service or a good to American people for which there is no alternative, that becomes really problematic because that person can then pull that product and say, I can't afford to make it. The obvious example is if you make pharmaceutical drugs for rare diseases, what do you do? And again, those are all things that are like multi-decade long decisions.
You'd love to make them and unchange them at every 24 hours, but it's just not possible because like you just make these decisions and you're stuck with them for a long time. That's where the tariff thing becomes problematic if you change them often enough.
If you implement them and you're like, this is what it's going to be, the world can adapt and people can figure it out. I mean, the other problem is just the communication of this has been terrible.
We were on the program last week or two weeks ago, Joe Lonsdale's like, this is about fentanyl. So is it about fentanyl? Is it about getting rid of income tax at the federal level? Is it about supply chain resiliency? These guys get like a D in my grade book for communication.
It's terrible communication. And this idea that you can't take Trump too seriously about his claims, well he said he was going to overturn roe v wade he did it he said he was going to close the border and send people home he did that you know he said he'd do a muslim ban he actually did that so for every time he says something and you're like that's cap no way he's going to do that i actually think people are starting to realize he's's gonna do something here with these tariffs they're not just a negotiating position and the other problem i think a lot of people have with this is it centralizes power anybody can go to trump now and say i want an exception i'm you know a car company i want an exception i'm a solar company i you know i need an extension and then now you've got everybody going to mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring to give him a donation to bow down.
And it centralizes more power with them as opposed to having rules. Yes.
And we need to have rules in this country that apply to everybody, not just people who give a million dollars like Bezos and Tim Cook and everybody and Zuck the weather vane gave them we don't want to live in that world where you're just bribing Trump to get your tariff. And that's how people feel.
That's how the business community feels. That's the reality right now.
People are bribing Trump, giving him a million dollars to inauguration to get close to him to go to Mar-a-Lago. And it looks really bad.
You need to have a clear strategy here for what the rules of the game are. And he's changing the rules.
So you have to go to him. And he's, he loves that.
That that's actually i think what he's trying to do is get everybody to go through him it's a really clever hack i think yeah and perception is reality so you have to react to people's perception like we can throw data points all we want at people and we can throw research and all this other shit but if people aren't meeting you there then you're not going to be communicating with them effectively and i think that uh that's something that, you know, especially you guys need to know, you guys have privy to information that the average American probably is not. And we can bitch and complain about how they don't read or how they're not looking up, you know, what happened in 1913 to change the course of American history and how we started to, or we can go, okay, we need to find a way to disseminate this information so that they can make these decisions and I guess, or feel comfortable with the results of these decisions.
Do you think America would be okay with this idea of taxing outsiders and then relying on it versus income tax paid by its own citizens? I think that the second half is really all that would matter. I think that people are thinking, I think the majority of people are thinking about the next week.
So if you say that I don't have to pay taxes. Like, and I think that the second half is really all that would matter.
I think that people are thinking, I think the majority of people are thinking about the next week.

So if you say that I don't have to pay taxes,

like,

and I think this is what Republicans are doing way better than Democrats

right now is like Democrats don't have build the wall.

They don't have slogans.

They don't have things that immediately tap into like core emotional

feeling,

regardless if you're going to do it or not.

We want Greenland.

Okay.

That's cool.

Democrats need eggs or a dollar.

Democrats need things that like echo their sentiments and how they want

Thank you. regardless if you're going to do it or not.
We want Greenland. Okay, that's cool.
Democrats need eggs or a dollar. Democrats need things that echo their sentiments and how they want to take care of people and provide for the disenfranchise, but it has to be done in a way where it's digestible.
You can chew on it. If you want to make housing more affordable, then you say, yeah, we're seizing public land.
We're building 10,000 units. You have to tap into what Americans need, which is a feeling of not just comfort.
Every American thinks they're going to be a millionaire. That's what this country drives off of, right? It's every poor American- That hope, that hope, yeah.
And the second they stop thinking they will be- Or they can be. Or they can be, it falls apart.
And then some healthcare CEO gets shot and people celebrate. They're, they're celebrating because they no longer feel the hope that they could be in that position.
Yeah. They feel so disenfranchised.
They, they, and this is what, like, I'm telling you, like the, you guys of the world need to pay close attention to because there's going to be no empathy. If anything bad happens, all the stock market is down.
No Americans are invested in the stock market. Like that's all you guys.
I've been saying it. No, no, no.
I've been saying this for months. Half the country is.
I've been saying it for months. Nobody cares about the stock market, nor should we.
The reason is because we, people who own these assets, have overly benefited, more than we've deserved for the last 15 years. Ever since the great financial in the united states people who as jason said could cozy up and by the way jason i think the the the claim that you made which is is is severely true for how from 2007 up until now has played out because if you look under all the programs if if you could have lobbied Obama in those critical years of the GFC, oh my God, the amount of money that was...
No, because we took interest rates literally to zero. Anybody like us who could have gone and gotten levered up and gone into the stock market was richly rewarded.
And the problem is we left everybody else behind. And I think the great thing about Trump is he is going to reset that.
He is going to take a lot of wealth away from asset holders. You're seeing it every day, 500 billion, 500 billion.
There is no sympathy. I think it's fantastic.
That's great to hear you even saying that, because i feel like a lot of people that are in maybe your guys position don't understand that disconnect and that is important to understand they're like even what happened in the palisades like in la with like the fire the second people heard it was like rich people's houses there was no empathy for it they didn't they had four million dollar house yeah it was like and it is i don't even have a house i can't find a house you burned your house down and you moved you went back you went to your vacation house now oh i'm sorry you're living at your ski house that's a tragedy like literally you're right it probably explains why we don't hear anything in the news anymore about anything that's happening with respect to reconstruction or any of the disruption that's happening it's a rich person problem people it's a rich and you know i think putting together what you just said schultze and and you chumov trump is a master at connecting with people and listening to them i thought the one of the greatest things he he he he did during this last election is when he said no tax on tips when he said no tax on tips he was going right for nevada he was going right for that swing state you know to get those folks who live off tips but what he

was also doing is saying i know that there's a bunch of y'all that sometimes get cash tips you put it in your pocket it's the gray market i get it you know i run a whole you know i got caddies who get a hundy from you know whatever taking somebody out on the course we're just going to make it official you don't get taxed on tips because we know that you're you know you're the bottom third of the country in terms of your economic power those kind of statements really do connect with people trump has just mastered this this party is trump is the democratic party that we grew up with it's kind of crazy it's kind of crazy right and then the democrats became this elitist group that seemed to be in the pocket of business interest. I don't know what bizarro world we're living in.
I think you tapped into it right there. It's like, I think that they could easily win the next election if they made it a class war, but they don't because it feels like they're in the pockets of these billion dollar corporations.
So they can't really, I mean, Bernie did it really effectively, right like this random jew that lives in maine or something like that is like yo we gotta get some money from these rich people give it back to the poor and all of a sudden all of america turned him into like our surrogate grandfather so you can and then he got shivved by hillary and the machine and and i mean what did they say about his fans like they went very specifically they were like he has a his the bernie bros have a sexism and bigotry problem right they made him radioactive right so now you killed the working class now the working class is no longer supporting the democratic party so who do they have left they have the identity politics groups so they can't piss off the identity politics groups because they're like, that's all we got left.

They did the same shit with us during the election, right?

They're like the podcast bros have a sexism and bigotry problem.

They try to make people radioactive.

And it's like that card's been played so many times that people are desensitized.

It doesn't work anymore.

I think there's one big shoe left to drop.

I think we've started the process of really, really taking a bunch of heat out of the asset markets like equities. So we've taken trillions and trillions of dollars of wealth away.
I think we're going to take trillions more. But the next big market, and this is actually where, Andrew, to your point, we reestablish some hope, I think for a lot of people is we are going to whack the housing market.
It's just going to happen. And let me just say something about that.
How is that going to happen, happen jimoth explain it because there's seven million homes that we still need to build to service just current demand how does that actually happen with the supply demand problem in your mind there are a bunch of mechanisms that have to get cleaned up right now so one mechanism is that there are a whole host of mortgages that are basically being propped up.

It was a program that really got out of control under the Biden administration.

Nick, you can find this article.

It was in the Wall Street Journal.

We are going to figure out how to get these two government-related agencies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, out of what's called conservatorship.

And these are the folks that are responsible for essentially wrapping guarantees around mortgages so that the mortgage market can function. The details don't particularly matter that much.
But the point is that what we are doing is we are unwittingly propping up with American taxpayer dollars, the US housing market. Why is that bad? It is locking an inordinate number of people from that first critical step that actually makes them feel like they are winning and they're on their way to achieving their dreams, which is, can I make a deposit on a home and then can I live this out? And you have these artificially inflated prices all around the country as a result of this.
So I think this next wave is deeply

beneficial. and you have these artificially inflated prices all around the country as a result of this.

So I think this next wave is deeply beneficial to the middle class,

which is there is no reason.

Like, you guys see it.

When you read the Wall Street Journal,

I think it is the dumbest shit in the world when I see an article,

which is like, this house just is $65 million on 0.4 acres in some rando place in my mind yeah i was thinking malibu but yeah but what is this this makes no sense and so when you re-rationalize a bunch of equity values and you re-rationalize the cost of a home i think what you're going to do is you're going to allow a lot more people to find a more reasonable way to enter the housing market. And I do think that that's a really big step in allowing them to feel like they're part of the dream.
So you lower asset prices, you can own some stocks, maybe you own a 401k, or if you've never had a 401k, but your employer offers it, for the first time, it may actually make financial sense to put a small amount of it in there. You've never been able to own a home, all of a sudden home prices are whacked 30 or 40 percent, you're able to do that.
Because of how Trump goes after the budget, when his rate of borrowing for the US government goes down, your mortgage rate goes down. Now all of a sudden you can enter in because home prices are less, and you can actually get a mortgage.
They may all seem very random, but they can come together in giving 50, 60 million people a shot that they have been screaming since the great financial crisis they don't have. This is so huge because on a core emotional level, you want as many Americans as possible invested in American success and excellence.
Totally. The greater the delta between them and their first home or their first investment in stock, the greater that distance, the more disillusioned they become in America in general.
When they feel like, like you said earlier, the way that you guys got into the market when you could basically take out loans for nothing, and then you saw these incredible gains, they feel left behind. The second they feel like they're in on it, on it they own apartment they own some shares of tesla that's why crypto is so popular because they're like only access i got yeah it's like yeah it's like comedy in some ways like all i need is a microphone or music like there's a path for me and crypto obviously is a giant scam it's a scam sure but i can get a piece of this i can get a piece of this American dream.
And I would rather that they were invested in a Vanguard account or something like that. I would rather they're invested in the entire market.
I mean, there's this idea, and I'm sure you poke holes and tons of holes into it. But this idea, like every American born gets a thousand bucks put into a Vanguard account.
Yeah, it's a friend of ours, Brad Gersten, with this, Invest America is the concept. And regardless if the concept is good or not, the emotional connectivity to the success of American industry is really important.
When you know at 22 that you could get this thing that's been compounding for 22 years, you could pay off some college loans, you could put something down on a house, you could pay for trade school, whatever it is. I think you have a different energy towards America and its success.
And then you have a lot less of these kids who are just like, America is this horrible place and capitalism is bad. Yeah, capitalism is bad when you're left behind.
When you're invested in capitalism, it's great, baby. Absolutely.
We're on the express train. Let me give you guys.
I did an analysis. I wasn't sure if I should put it out, but I'll tell you guys the numbers.
The US Social Security Program is meant to be kind of the retirement program for folks that don't have access to private retirement accounts. Okay.
And this program was set up in the 1930s after the Great Depression. And there's a trust fund, the OASDI, which is the fund that they invest the capital.
So every year, we all put money in with our social security taxes out of our paychecks goes in there. And it gets invested.
You know what it gets invested in? It gets invested in one thing, US treasuries, which have averaged about 4.8% return since the beginning of the program per year. Meanwhile, what if you put it into the market? Meanwhile, the S&P has been averaging 11%.
So here's the math. If in 1971, which was the year that we went off the gold standard in the United States, if we invested the Social Security Trust Fund in the S&P, the balance of the Social Security Trust Fund today would be $15 trillion.
That would be roughly one third of the value of the total S&P 500, which would be jointly owned by all Americans who took their capital. Now, here's what's up.
What's up is that the middle class people who had access to private retirement accounts benefited by buying the S&P 500, and the wealthy were able to access it. So all of the equity value that accrued from American enterprise and the prosperity of the American system accrued to the people that had access to the private accounts.
Meanwhile, the people that only had access to the public accounts got stuck owning treasuries. Today, the Social Security Trust Fund has $2.7 trillion balance, and based on the outflows and inflows, it's going to go bankrupt in 2032.
That means Social Security is either going to get cut, or the Fed's going to print a ton of money to keep Social Security benefits. Retirement age goes up a little bit.
Yeah, it's a lot of levers. Yeah.
Wow. So I did the math.
If you assume that the S&P 500 continues to grow at 10.5% a year, on average, there's ups and downs. And sure, there could be basically drawdowns and all these other sorts of things.
But here's an important point. We could put about $500 billion in the trust fund today and it will not go bankrupt again.
And it will continue to grow every year. And then all Americans have participation in American enterprise.
And importantly, this becomes the world's largest sovereign wealth fund ever. You don't need a separate sovereign wealth fund.
We already have one. We have it.
It's called the Social Security Trust Fund. And what we've done is we've totally mismanaged it.
And I went back to try and understand why this is the case. Why have we only ever bought treasuries? Early on, the US needed someone to loan money.
So they basically forced the citizens to loan the government money in the form of treasuries. But today, the Social Security Trust Fund owns only less than 10%, about 8% of the total treasury bonds outstanding.
The rest are owned by the Fed and foreign investors and private investors and others that want to own it. So why are we forcing all the American citizens to participate? Yeah, we're propping it up for no reason.
And we're discouraging access. So basically, we've created, through the social security system, we've created the deep inequity we see in this country.
If instead, we had allowed the social security system to invest in the S&P 500, to buy American enterprises, to fund American businesses, then every American would be wealthy. And that middle class that uniquely participated by basically arbitraging the market, where they forced the treasury bond yields on the poor, and they got to take access to the equity yields, would have not happened.
Yeah, they had 401ks, right? They had 401ks, they had a device. They brought IRAs, and they were able to participate with brokerage accounts and buying in the market.
But what we can do right now is we can fix it. And here's the important point.
People will then argue, oh, well, what if there's a down year, two down years in a row? You know what? We're already going to be printing money to make up the hole in social security. We're not going to let social security go bankrupt.
We're not going to let it dry out. So we're already going to print money to make the social security hole.
So if that's the case, we can create a backstop for social security. We're going to have to do it either way, but we might as well take on the bank.
Shultzy, go. Yeah, no, no, no.
Thomas, you were going to say something. The reason why we didn't do it goes back to what you said before, which is we have a bunch of, we had a bunch of very, quote unquote, well-educated Ivy League trained people running these institutions.
And the feedback, I don't even know what it said, but I can tell you what the memo said. There's too much risk.
We've sensitized this model. It doesn't make sense.
This is the safest thing to do. So it goes back to just like we need a little bit more practical thinking.
Like at the end of the day, why the S&P 500 exists is of all the thousands and thousands and thousands of companies in the world, you know how many companies in the world make more than a billion dollars a year? More than 20,000. And of that 20,000, the S&P 500 is just the 500 best.
It's the best of the best of the best. So to your point, Freberg, it didn't take a PhD from Harvard to figure out that if you just owned an index of the absolute 500 best things happening at any given point in time, it would have gone up.
Also, since when are Americans risk intolerant? there's something baked into the dna of the people that decide to leave their families and move here totally immigrant country to your point imagine logging in like like we've all had i'm assuming a 401k account and i remember how exciting it is to log in and see the account and schultz i want to say something that's really important. Like you talk about us people, like, you know, early on the commentary,

which is something I hear a lot.

My first job was making $4.25 an hour

cleaning toilets in a pool hall

in upstate New York.

Chamath has similar stories.

JCal has similar stories.

Like any of us that participated-

I made 455 Canadian working at Burger King.

Yeah.

And I had like,

and then the worst part about my job

in the pool hall was that

then the manager made me go play poker at his house and he took all the money back i stole i stole the chicken fingers at night and bring them home my mom would but my mom would whip them up but it was so exciting in my career in my life to be able to like go from that moment to the moment where i had a 401k and i could log in and i could see the businesses that i owned and i understood that and i saw I saw the value go up and I got to participate that. Imagine if every American, when you get your social security statement today, all it tells you is a dollar amount and how much you're going to get in the future.
Imagine if you logged in and you got to see all the businesses you own a piece of. And you got to participate.
You feel connected. Every single day.
You would be lighting a Tesla on fire. And we can fix this.
And by the way, we can solve both the sovereign wealth fund question and the social security trust fund question. Every dollar that's going into the sovereign wealth fund ideas, or if they come to fruition, or in my opinion, and obviously I haven't spoken to facts about this, but the crypto fund and all this other sort of stuff, every dollar of that should go into the social security trust fund.
And that social security trust fund should be for the benefit of all Americans. And it should be equities.
It should be ownership. It should be participation in what the American dream enabled.

How about a blended portfolio?

The American dream enabled us all to succeed

and it should enable everyone else

to participate in shares and equity

in American enterprise that can come to market.

So it's not about a thousand bucks when you're born.

It's about an ongoing participation,

putting your money in

and having that money allocated in a way

that smart and wealthy Americans get to allocate it, which is into owning shares and businesses. That's it.
Chelsea. Yeah.
No, I think it's great. Hopefully you guys don't feel like I'm discrediting you by saying you guys, but I'm just trying to give you guys- No, no, I think it's a great, it's an important framing because it's like, you're 100% right, but we see comments on YouTube like, oh, you guys, and I'm like, dude, I remember like it feels like yesterday when i was in freaking debt i graduated college with a bunch of debt and i went and like found a job and worked my ass off and i was working 20 hour days and never slept and like you know it wasn't easy i mean i feel like very emotional about this right now sorry hang on um it was hard yeah it feels listen it was hard it wasn't easy bro it wasn't given to you none of us inherited none of us inherited we came to american and to see the joy to see what we all benefited from i'm getting emotional about this but it's like well it's because the american dream's broken listen we gotta fix it fix it for us right now to have people talk about it as if as if being successful and getting there is a crime.

No, no, no, no. It makes you a bad person.
No, it's a dream. It's a dream.
Schultzy, go. I think the framing, this is very important.
My mom is also an immigrant. She came here from Scotland.
She has no education. They stopped going to school at 14 or something like that.
Comes to America and she's this massive success here in terms of like where she came from, where she got to, right? And what she was able to buy. She was able to buy a home in the East village of New York City.
She was able to buy a beach house, like just off of like grinding hard work. And what she saw here, which I'm sure a lot of you guys also saw is opportunity.
She had ambition and opportunity. And I think that that's what, I think a lot of times that's what immigrants see when they come here because they probably come from places where they feel absolutely no opportunity.
So the second they feel like there's a little of it, if they work those 20 hours a week, I mean, I saw my parents grind. My work ethic just comes from watching them.
You know what I mean? Just watching them just kill it every single day. So what I think that you guys are speaking to, which is really important, and I think it's important that people know your story as well, because it becomes more accessible.
When they see you guys and they know what you came from, and they know you're working at Burger King, and now you guys are worth billions of dollars, it's very important that Americans know that that's possible for them. Maybe not to hit a billion, but maybe to hit a million, maybe hit 300,000, maybe to buy a house that's $100,000 that they're really proud of.
And own it outright. And the fact that this is accessible, like what you just said to me is just hope and abundance.
That's the messaging of what you just said. You said something that made it seem very simple to me.
We put this money here, everybody's now invested in the success of the American economy. And now when we see the stock market ticker look green which is all the average person sees green or red we don't really know anything but when we see green we get excited we go wait yeah and now we start goes up and we start rooting jamal feels that way too yeah well but think about he's getting excited right now if you're saying it but he's gonna start crying oh wait it's wait, it's green today? It's been red for a week.
But think about CEOs, right? These people have become villainized, right? And it's because we're not attached to the success of their companies. That's right.
If your biggest holding is Tesla, please believe you're not upset. I think people think that their success now works against your best interests.
Yes. And the system's rig the system's rigged and you can't be part of it and you're being ground down this is a i think really good proposal freeberg and and if you look at housing that's the other one i when i if i run for president you know what my position is going to be shaltzy what's that i'm going to build five cities with three million homes in each and you can only buy them if you make under X amount per year.
It's not going to be like the projects or like, you know, subsidized housing in New York. It'll be Stuyvesant Town.
It's not going to be Stuyvesant Town, okay? Oh, okay. I thought that was pretty good.
It's going to be like nice house. It's pretty good if you can get it, yeah.
Stuyvesant Town's not bad. But not like projects.
I'm talking about like proper homes. We are the most innovative country society ever created.
I mean, since the greeks they were pretty great too but we could build five new cities why the can't we build five new cities with three million homes in it let's do some like manhattan project for housing and then health care how the hell do we not have like good health care for everybody in this country with the richest country in the world greatest economy whatever we should be able to solve those problems and that's why people don't feel like they're part of this is because basic housing basic health care and your retirement it's not like it's rigged against you this sounds crazy but for young people i think they would forgive health care if they were invested in the market and i think it's interesting being invested in the market is just so daunting but the feeling that everybody else is getting rich when you're not is the reason why i bought crypto not knowing anything about it it's the reason why everybody else bought it it's this feeling that the train is running away and you're not going to be part of it so how do we get them to feel part of that success i think really importantly you know today just just to give you guys some other statistics Like 60% of a middle-class household's net worth is in their home. Only 10% of their net worth is in owning the S&P 500 in index funds or whatever in their retirement accounts.
And so by creating this American dream around housing and allowing the federal government to provide loans on housing, we've increased the cost of housing. We've created a very like destructive housing bubble, in the sense that it has reduced people's exposure to participation in productive value creation.
And that's through the ownership of businesses. Instead, we've stored our net worth in a house.
And in order to keep the economy and the social structure stable, we've created policies that allow the continuation of the growth in the value of houses. So people feel like their net worth is incrementing.
And that's 100% right. And that's unfortunately very restricted making new housing, which makes it worse with the restrictions.
Have you guys heard of Warren Buffett's most public failure? Warren Buffett's most public failure was when he was brought on as an advisor to Arnold Schwarzenegger when Schwarzenegger was running for governor. And Buffett kind of looked at the laws in California.
And there's a law in California when you own a home that when you pass on, you can pass it off to your kids and you can basically keep the cost that you paid in terms of setting the real estate taxes. And it's had an enormously negative effect in unlocking turnover of homes.
And that's a large driver of why homes are so expensive in California. So Buffett looked at this and there was a lot of fanfare.
Schwarzenegger's like, here's my economic genius. And first thing he said was, guys, I think we should repeal this law.
He was gone two days later. Wow.
It's not popular. And by the way, there's a lot of other policies like this.
You know, if you think later you have to resign. If you do the if you do the true kind of like macro analysis as an investor, you should probably have about 20 percent of your net worth in the U.S.
in real estate, not 60 percent. And so we need to give people the ability and we need to think about all the follow on and trickle effects of creating a set of laws, a set of policies that basically incentivize almost all of your net worth to go into a single asset, your home.
And what that means in the fact that we have to keep pumping up the value of that home. And we have to have a system in order for people to feel like they're getting ahead, keep inflating, and eventually people can't afford homes.
And that's where we are today. When did you guys first start your education in the markets? At what age did you feel like you sought out? I bought my first stock in the company I was working for, or the parent company, the company I was working for in 1989, when I was 18 years old.
So 18. What about you, David? I bought $300 in stock.
I signed up for an E-Trade account in college because I saw that TV show called Bull. Do you remember that TV show? It was about investment banking during the dot-com bubble.
It was such a, no one knows that show. And I was like, man, Wall Street is so cool.
I want to learn about stocks because I was an astrophysics major. I didn't know what I was going to do after I was going to go to graduate school or whatever.
And then I got caught up in the dot com bubble. And I started reading the Wall Street Journal every day, I would take it down to the friggin Plaza, and I would read the journal at school during lunch.
And I tried to learn about tech and business and markets because I've always been a tech guy. And I'm like, man, there's all these startups.
And this is how the markets work. So I set up an E-Trade account, I put some money in it.
I started and I bought some stocks and I read the investor business daily on what stocks to buy. They had a rating and I bought those stocks and they went up and I'm like, man, this is awesome.
Like I love owning stocks and that kind of kicked me off. And then I got an investment banking job after college and it totally changed my career trajectory.
I was like, I want to go work in the tech industry and work in business. What about you, Chamath? And I shifted it up.
When did you buy your first tech one? But by the way, that I'm sorry, let me just say one thing. What you asked is a really important question.
I just realized this, Andrew, because my, um, my interest in that stock market thing at that time actually changed my career trajectory. And it really reset what I was going to do with my life to get involved in business and go work in the tech industry as opposed to work in science as a researcher.
And that was a really big shift for me. So it gave me that kind of a feeling of like, oh, I got to learn more.
And then that kind of changed my career. Sorry, go ahead, Shemar.
I was 14 or 15 years old. And there was a, this is when Rodney King had the kicked out of him and almost died.
Well, these race riots in LA and nothing had changed actually in America but where I was growing up in Canada the provincial government created a program that said if you're a minority and you're on welfare we'll pay for you to get a job I was a minority on welfare so I got a job and it was at a startup that was just going parabolic, and their stock was going nuclear. And I lived in this shitty part of town.
And I would see the controller of that company drive past me every day while I was waiting for the bus. And one day he stopped.
And I went with this guy, Sam Legg. He drove me that whole summer.
And he taught me, what does the company do? Why is the founder a billionaire? What the hell does this even mean? He unpacked. And so I saw firsthand what it meant to work not for a salary, but to get a stake in the thing that you're working for.
I bought a couple of shares. It went up and it was great.
But then I really fell in love with this idea that I could understand something and own a piece of it. And then it really accelerated when I graduated from college because I was like Freeberg, I was in debt and I was like, how the do I get out of debt? And I traded stocks on behalf of my boss, this guy, Mike Fisher, who I thank to this day.
And I made so much money right before the dot com crash. He gave me the money to pay off my student loans.
And then ever since then, I was hooked. I was like, okay, I can learn this and I can deal with the vicissitudes of this.
Look, the markets are brutal. There are moments where you just wake up and it looks like everything's working.
And then there are moments, and this is what everybody needs to understand though, if some of these programs work, where it literally looks like the bottom is falling out. And I cannot describe to people the pressure you will feel on behalf of you and your family when it looks like you're taking a 30 or 40 or 50% negative downturn to your net worth.
it inflicts a level of psychological damage that i cannot describe to you and the bigger the numbers get by the way i told this story on tucker there was a period where i would wake up and i could just tweet and the markets would go up they were like what's he going to say next and then it all stopped and then there's a two and a half year period where i gave it all back and then some. That's frustrating.
The Midas touch goes away. It's beyond frustrating.
It shakes you to your core. So if we do these programs, I think the Friedberg idea is just beautiful.
It's lovely. What about you, Schultz? When did you make it? But just to finish, if we do it, we have to try to teach people how to deal with the drawdowns because that's where if you don't teach them how to deal with the vol, the volatility of losing money.
It's great when everything's green. But those red days, man, how you comport yourself, how you act, how you treat other people in the red days are the only days that matter.
Yeah, that's a growing experience.

What about you, Sheltzer?

When did you buy your first equity?

I was probably 35.

Oh, 15 years behind.

So my, I mean, my parents-

How old are you?

I'm 41.

So maybe even a little bit later.

Now, I might have like owned stock without even realizing it type of thing where like

I had like a business manager who set up some retirement fund or something like that but not me actively choosing a stock and buying it um my what my wife's father-in-law is a very uh successful businessman and uh he's he's he's i don't want to say like predicted the markets really well but he has i mean he was in nvidia early, early, early, and a bunch of others. And we were like sitting down in like Aspen somewhere.
And he like said, Hey, listen, what do you mean? You don't own anything. He goes, Hey, can you take a, you know, I don't know if we said 10 grand or a hundred grand or something like that.
He goes, can you just put it in these different stocks? I go, okay, sure. I open up this like E-Trade account or whatever the fuck it was.
But an interesting thing right is like you guys were so young it's 18 22 14 and to me i think like the education of this is really important like my parents did really well but they're financially illiterate like there was no passing on this like knowledge of like investing when yeah what it means to invest like they made their money by like working every single day for it not like you guys don't but like they were teaching dance lessons so it's like this is how much the dance lesson costs and you pay me and maybe i'll have 40 people in the class okay more people are paying and now other teachers can also teach but it was intimidating to them it was intended intimidating to me it still is intimidating to me well this is the i think the upside of crypto in some ways also the upside upside of prize picks or, you know, gambling, poker. It's the upside of Robinhood and Coinbase and all these things being available.
This generation, Generation Bet, like they love to gamble these young kids. This is my concern.
No, but they're learning. They're learning how to take the downdrafts.
They are learning.

I think they are learning.

So maybe like the barrier of entry is less.

But my concern is that they're treating it more like gambling than investing.

And I think that we've almost like tricked the american public into thinking that investing is gambling that's when the way that you guys are describing is it's not it's like investing in the smp and then leaving it there and taking those downturns and waiting for it to come back up yeah but here's the thing you have to learn these lessons at the poker table you cannot play poker without real money or else you're not going to get the burn you're not going to stay up at night how do we how do we so that's what these kids are doing they're how do we educate them it's not every kid right it's the education comes from doing and if you let these kids trade they will figure it out over time and then what happens is like you they get married they get a baby they want to get a house and then they they say, you know what, I'm going to I'm going to stop buying meme coins, I'm going to start buying Bitcoin, I'm going to stop buying Bitcoin, I'm going to buy Nvidia and things. That's not true, Jason.
I think they just get addicted to gambling. See it happening all the time.
Exactly. I agree with you.
I agree with Schultz. I don't think that I think you're being super reductive, like, oh, they'll get on the, the all of a sudden understand Dave Swenson's Yale endowment asset allocation model.
Bullshit. They won't.
I've seen – they won't. I have seen thousands and thousands and thousands of guys over time who deeply steeped in this business wash out.
Yeah. And each to a one, the more sophisticated they get, they all fall to the same pressures, which is they don't know how to simplify and they don't know how to be patient.
These are things that every human being needs to learn. And I don't think time in the market actually solves those two traits.
Those are psychological traits that you have to go and figure out in a different way. You look inside yourself and you have to figure those out.
Okay. Yeah.
Fair enough. But between between the choice of hey we're going to grow up blue collar we have no access to these markets we have no way to trade in them we have no way to learn and then today i think the system we have today is better can people go off the you know jump the fence and lose all their money of course they can but they could go to vegas and do that prior to that they could work with a bookie, they could do football sheets, I think they're learning.
And when you use some of these modern apps, and you look at the strategies, and you see people on Reddit, working on these stocks and their thesis, I think it's trending in the right way. There can always be more education, but this is, let's hope.
Don't bet on the jets, right? You said it before. I think the average American doesn't even know what compound interest is.
I agree in fact i'll tell you i'll tell you a great story work to do i one of the best things that happened when i invested in the goals of state warriors i bought 10 of the team in 2011 or something i got to meet all of them and i got to meet a lot of my heroes and i remember one meeting where i sat with a goatee like player let's just put it that way We'll bleep it out. We'll bleep it out.
No, I don't want to say his name. Okay.
Fair enough. And he asked me the most incredible question.
He's like, Jamath, can you explain compound interest? And Schultz, I can tell you, I still have this spreadsheet. I just showed him a compound interest table.
And he had no idea how 8% versus 10% is like gargantuan over 50 years over 20 years. Yeah.
And to your point, it was illuminating that you're right, unless you unless you go and you jump into it, and you live it.ason i agree with you like there's nothing like look stan druckemiller says the same thing invest then investigate like there's nothing like putting the risk on okay there's nothing like playing a hand in poker there's nothing like taking a shot at a different strategy in blackjack win or lose you get feedback but my point is most people don't get better and so that's what what you have to solve is like, how can you make it interesting, fun? How can you talk about the losses? Like this is a thing that I had immense trouble with. I still do today.
I think I've gotten better with it is to be able to talk about the losses. How do you talk about getting whacked for $4 billion? I can do it now, but it's brutal.
Yeah, it's done for a while for you. You saw me.
You're a better person since then. You saw me go through it.
How ashamed was I for the two years that I had to unwind that shit? How bad? It was hard for you. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was hard. I mean, imagine your whole identity is built into you being successful in these markets.
And you measure it the wrong way. You point to the number in the bank account, not the way your wife treats you, not the way your kids treat you, not the way your friends treat you.
And then you're like, okay, well, I'm 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80% poor. So I'm just that much less of a human being.
Yeah. But that's a good reality check to lean into family and those things that matter.
So my point is like, if we can get people more into the market, I think it's an incredible thing, but you have to wrap it in these guardrails that have nothing to do with the market and everything to do with who you are as a person and i think like the first step is showing like what is the most simplistic version of the benefit of the market i think it's compound interest i really think that that is if we start there like remove the stock market don't even talk about it just like what happens if i left it in a savings account that's getting four percent and i don't touch it right now you know the rule of 72 that was the one that opened my brain up so the rule of 72 is whatever the percentage you grow uh per month divided into 72 so let's say you were growing 7.2 in the market per year divide that it takes 10 years to double your money so it's a time to double your money's say you were growing 7.2% in the market per year, divide that it takes 10 years to double your money. So it's a time to double your money.
Okay, if you were growing 7% a month, you know, on whatever your investments are, let's say you got a great business that's growing like Facebook or something like that. That means you double the number of users or revenue every 7.2 months.
Once you understand that you can do it quickly. Just like in poker, you know, the number number of outs each card represents roughly two percent chance because there's 50 of them right so each count for about two percent then you can start doing this stuff in the back of your head i i had this idea i think i talked about it here on the program of doing the kids investment club and i bought the domain kids investment club i actually need to do this i i i just got to prioritize this and find a ceo for it or do it it as a nonprofit or something.
Just kids need to learn this early. Robinhood or somebody should make an app where they can invest like a shadow, but it's like with their parents, maybe they can make the trade, the parent approves it, something like that.
There's something where we should be learning all this in high school. They should be like, what's more important than this? Remove the fear.
Remove the fear.

And the reason it's important is what we were saying earlier. Get the American people invested in American success.
And you will find so much more patriotism. You will not find us picking on all these little things that a lot of us maybe go, why is this such a big deal? Like the bathroom.
Like most of us are unaffected. I cannot begin to explain how quickly we'll forget about the bathrooms when the smp is up 15 and you're looking at your portfolio and you're like you could take a wherever you want okay absolutely yes i have you got something else to focus on absolutely look at this hey friedberg here's your time machine check it out there's your favorite show i don't want to make you more emotional, but there is your guy, Stanley Tucci from Bull.
I think it only made it one season, right? One season, but Tucci gang in full effect. I was such a tech nerd growing up, but I never thought about the business of technology.
And then the startup boom happened and you got this Bull show on TV. And I'm like, man, this is so much more exciting than sitting in a frigging lab doing mathematical modeling where i was like pulling my friggin hair out i'm like i want to get after that and the rest is history you know have you guys watched stanley tucci on hbo where he tours italy and he does his little so great and on tiktok i've seen it and i've seen him cook on tiktok he's like today is it rolling it's rolling today i'm going to make you a fruta but i'm doing it in the carpaccio base and we're going to put and i'm like i just can this guy do asmr or put me to bed at night i mean this guy is the best he is i'm gonna man crush on tucci tucci's the best i mean he is i would like to roll with tucci can you imagine if we went to Italy and just had like a, just roll with Tucci through Italy? Oh, I love that guy.
Any dream is possible, J.K.L. You could pull it off.
I know. We're all dreaming here.
We're all dreaming here. All right.
We're still dreamers, by the way. Really important.
Everyone should know that. I think like there's no, the thing that a lot of people assume, this is the true about humans in general, there's an end to the rainbow, but there isn't.
You ride the rainbow till you die. That's it.
And there's always hope. There's always dreams.
There's always more. And it doesn't stop.
So it makes it fun. Are you taking the ketamine in Austin or something? What happened? You just got all full of.
I'm a little hungover today. I started drinking at 10 a.m.
yesterday. We went to, we went to the mothership last night.
Oh was it and we well we hung out with a couple of your boys i think we hang out tony well tony of course tony was very nice and uh shane gillis was there shane gillis was there but he was big time he was big time there was a mob around we didn't get to meet him uh the guy bert who take i didn't recognize yeah he had his shirt on so i didn't recognize yeah i was like but then i saw the body shape and i was like yeah that's that's probably probably him when did you start in comedy i was uh i think it's almost been like 18 years or something like that so you started in your early 20s in new york going to the funny bone or what i have a question actually. How'd you get into it? How do you keep your,

like how do you pay for your life before you make it?

Like what?

Like,

is it that you have a normal day job?

I lived,

I lived with my parents for like a very long time. Like my parents lived in these village.

So I was walking distance from like multiple comedy clubs.

It was,

you know,

I mean,

I worked like with my parents for a little bit.

Then I managed restaurants and I like just managed them. You managed restaurants in Manhattan.
i did i started in santa barbara when i was going to college that's where i did my first comedy gig and then i managed a restaurant out in brooklyn and um oh really not very good would i know it was called biscuit barbecue it was in park slope brooklyn and then um and then i started to make a little money in stand-up it was like enough to like buy a Mamoon's falafel. I like had like a five to ten.
You had falafel money. I had a five to ten dollar a day budget.
And I could eat cereal for breakfast. And then I just, and I saved some money because I was going to school.
When I was going to school, I was working at that restaurant. And I like saved some money.
And like I had a little pipe dream of opening up a bar with a friend of mine in New York. And then I was like, you know what? I'm just going to spend this money trying to be a comedian.
And I hope by the time I get rid of the money, I'm making money at comedy. And it came down to like $700 in my bank account.
I was renting out the room where I slept in. And I would sleep in a closet in my apartment.
And it worked out. It just worked out.
I started making a couple of money, do a money do a couple gigs start touring got on a tv show and then it kind of worked out was there a moment that where yeah but because when you when you know when the cancel culture was alive and well that's when i first encountered you it was initially on tiktok actually sure and you were on fire because you were saying stuff nobody else was saying and i thought how does he even dare to pull this off and yeah so was there was there a moment that where you broke or you tipped or no so i you kind of like it's interesting you kind of break and then you go away like so i so i broke on like some mtv shows and i was you know doing all these things on mtv at my own shows and all that kind of stuff and then i kind of you know the mtv thing kind of dried up and I kind of went away, but I was luckily doing this podcast with Charlemagne and the podcast was very popular and that was like providing for me. And then I was doing some shows on the road and, you know, people would come out from the podcast, but, um, and then I really couldn't get any traction in standup world.
So when I was doing like comedy stuff with MTV, it wasn't really in the standup world. And that's because my standup maybe wasn't of the ilk of what was like popular at the time.
And I have a lot of empathy, by the way, for like the people who are just working at a network, they're producing these shows. Like they, they're kids in private school.
I want to tell a crazy joke about women or gays or whatever the f*** it is. And they're like, I'm to get fired and like I'm just trying my kids in private school we just got

them into Dalton I don't want to rock the boat

like you know what I mean

you understand like I don't think that they're

self preservation exactly so

but I didn't want to change my comedy

so I was like okay where

can I put it out and

luckily we were putting the podcast out on YouTube

it was successful and I just started putting things

out on YouTube and I started doing these shows and these shows start selling out. It was like really weird.
Like the first thing I put out, I sold out the next weekend and I was never going to sell that. How many seats? These are like 300 seat clubs and you do maybe four or five shows a weekend.
And you get 50 bucks a seat, 20 bucks a seat. No, not even, you get a flat rate.
You get two grand to do the weekend or something like that. And a lot of these times the comedy clubs would just like call people and say hey do you want to see this guy and give away the tickets for free it was really the old model was basically it's like a bar so you just get the people in and they sell the drinks so the weekend would sell out then another one would sell out and i was like holy maybe maybe there's something there's a conversion rate that i didn't see and i kept putting stuff out on youtube i would do a new clip every week for a year on YouTube.
And then I put these, a special on YouTube instead. And then I learned very quickly that there was this huge white space in the market.
Like the comedy on TV was corny and people didn't really like it. And nobody was putting out like the quote unquote, like real comedy.
There's different versions of comedy, but I'm being very simplistic. And the more edgy stuff I put on YouTube and it just exploded.
And yeah, my career kind of really took off from there. And then COVID came around and there was, I was able to be a little bit more honest because I wasn't tied to a network and worried about maybe losing my job at the network.
Yeah. And then it just, I think in America, we reward bravery.
Yeah. You just signed a Netflix deal, right? I mean, you did the show.
Yeah. We're actually doing the show in Austin tonight where we're going to talk with some folks about this general concept where you start out as kind of an independent, say whatever you want.
You're totally free. It's your own platform.
It's your own voice. Yeah.
And then you go sign a deal with another platform. Like, are you now, you know, do you find it hard to trade the money for whatever might come along with that? There's restrictions.
There's two ways to look at it, right? It's like, there's one, like, I think that I don't want to give myself too much credit here. But like, I think that what we did is created another marketplace for comedy that the

streaming networks had to now compete with.

Yeah.

So they were losing comics to YouTube because it was more advantageous to

put your comedy up on YouTube and build a following and then go sell tickets

on the road.

Whereas before the only way you could like really make a big chunk of money

on your comedy is if you've got one of these fancy specials.

Now people are like,

I don't even want to do this special because if I put it on YouTube, tour for years and really build a fan base so i have this autonomy the netflix thing is interesting because like netflix is the second biggest i guess uh streaming service on the planet it's like youtube than netflix so if i already have this huge imprint on youtube it would only be smart for me to now tap into the second biggest and see if there's some people there that aren't consuming my content on youtube so back to the so then back to the the guy who's got the the kid at dalton now when you go and negotiate a deal with netflix are they basically silent or do they have not a single note yeah so you do whatever you want and it is what it is let it rip now my last special was supposed to be with amazon so it was Amazon and they had some notes. And I bought it back from them and I put it out myself.
Wow, really? Wow. Yeah.
And I sold it myself. And it was actually one of the coolest things ever because I think I'm maybe one of the only comics that actually knows what they're worth.
Yeah. You don't really know what you're- Well, walk us through that.
So you do it. And what do the notes say that you're like- Yeah, it was two jokes and like i get it they make money selling toilet paper like why are they gonna have this huge you know uh you made fun of the toilet paper industry i got it yeah big toilet paper very powerful lobby you know what's funny is like culture has changed and i feel like a lot of times the streamers are like down river from culture so like i bet now i would be able to put it out on Amazon and be totally fine.
But at that time, it was maybe very edgy and a volatile time culturally. So I was able to put it out.
But you had the choice, right? You could have taken the jokes out and kept it, but then instead you took the harder path, which is I'm just going to buy it back. Yeah.
And I take the risk, and I'll figure it have, I have, I'm not risk averse at all. I actually enjoy risk.
It kind of excites me. But, um, what excites me more is like putting out the piece exactly how I want to put it out.
And I can't like scream about censorship and comedians should do the jokes we want to do. And then the second somebody gives me a big check, I go, whoa, we don't have to do it.
Like I have to be at least consistent on that. And, um um culture continue to change and you got to give netflix credit too like they took a lot of they took a lot of hits for putting out comedy that some people thought was maybe a little bit too offensive the chappelle stuff yeah it's really i put them in the crosshairs exactly they stood strong right absolutely they stood strong and like seeing that gave me a lot of confidence so i was like, okay.
And they literally, we just made the whole thing and they just gave us money. So they were not involved at all in the creation, so to say.
They were involved in giving us money for it. And then they're involved in the marketing, obviously, and their algorithm and getting it out.
That's all Sarandos. He believes in comedy.
Yeah, but he's a huge comedy fan from back in the day. I think people don't realize that about him.
You need somebody who actually loves the art and is not just looking at it as a thing that they can monetize. There's a term this guy used that you have to find somebody spiritually aligned with you.
And that's not mumbo jumbo. They truly understand the intention of comedy.
So things aren't as hurtful or painful to them because they understand what you intend to do so and then i got interesting too they tried to cancel you what was the joke who the the mobs because they went after tony hingecliff twice oh yeah and each time he went 10x they came after chamath on this program that was the first level up We got three times the audience after they tried to cancel Chamath.

Yeah.

The White House released a statement.

It doesn't really work

when you have like core fans

that believe in you.

And I feel like you guys

have probably built that.

You know, the relationships

you've built with your fans,

there's probably people

very grateful of the information

that you give them.

And so when they try to paint you

in a certain light,

you actually have like 100 hours

of time with those people. They know you to be more than that one statement that you've said.
So now they're not as concerned about that thing you said that maybe is taken out of context or people have been offended by. I think the biggest thing that people miss about comedians is like you're allowed to be offended by the joke that I say.
Like're allowed to react however the fuck you want to react about it.

You had your life.

You went through some crazy shit.

Maybe you were bullied as fuck as a kid.

And you don't want other people to potentially have those feelings.

So you see a joke that could elicit that.

And you're like, I want to protect them from that.

That's kind of noble.

I'm like, I'm cool with that.

If you yourself tell me you don't like me teasing you, I'm not going to tease you personally ever again.

I want you to feel good,

but it doesn't mean that I won't continue to make those jokes somewhere else.

And I think my shows,

like I got the most diverse audience in comedy history.

Yeah.

So it's like you come out to one of my shows,

you can't tell me that people don't like these jokes.

And I try very hard to like,

like if I'm curious about your culture, you'll know it through the jokes. It's not some little bullshit.
Like I'll try to dive deep and even surprise you about something that I might know. And I think in that way, people start to feel seen and they don't feel bullied.
They actually feel like represented and they're like excited about it. Look, you said something at the beginning, which I thought was really interesting, which is you're like a, you have to, great comedians are great observers of culture.
So can you, can you just tell us like, just observe the cultural moment? What, we talked a lot about it, but I just want you to be maybe like put a point on it. Where are we? Where's America? What the hell is going on? Like what's happened? Or just like, however you feel that question, like what the hell is going on? All time low confidence in institutions, low confidence in information.
There's an obsession with conspiracy because there's, I mean, that's twofold. One, like it's the easiest way for dumb people to feel smart.
Like when you know something no one else knows and you get to share with people, like there's that like dopamine hit where like, I bet you didn't know this happened, you know? But those thrive in times where there's not real transparency. So I think everybody's looking for answers and nothing is exactly how it seems.
And the only way to reinstill that confidence is I think like brutal transparency. Like you got to just be like really honest with the people.
This is what it is. And we're Americans.
We're proud people, you know, so we can get through whatever you say, but you got to tell it to us as it is. And I think we're just assessing relationships right now.
And I think like when the economy is rough, like you're seeing all the Jewish stuff right now, right? Like obviously it's a conflict. Well, this is the thing you got to understand.
Like most people have never met a Jewish person. Likeicans have no clue what a jewish person is outside of kirby enthusiasm or seinfeld they don't know what it is they think jews are upper east side new yorkers like yeah the like seinfeld or they think it's like hasidim like it's just like one or the exactly they don't even know what like a sephardic jew they don't know what an african jew is Moroccan Jew.
They have no clue what that is. And they shouldn't.
They're like, how many Jews are there? They're like more people from Laos than there are Jews, right? Like it's like a very small population.

so i think there's like a little bit of a disconnect and you know when you don't know a people and i think this is probably true and i could be off but i think there's like an

ambient feeling towards jews from people who don't know jew people. And I think this is probably true.
And I could be off, but I think there's like an ambient feeling towards Jews from people who don't know Jews. It's an ambient light.
And the stereotypes are probably not like the best. They're not exactly negative as long as the economy is good.
Right. They're like, oh, they they're successful.
They kind of stick together. They own businesses.
They whatever. And as long as the economy the economy's good everybody's cool and then eggs get expensive and you're behind on your rent and you don't feel hope and you don't and then you start going why do they got all that what the what are they about why are they why are they separatists you know like i'm here proselytizing i'm trying to get everybody to go to heaven and they just got their own thing what and it's very easy for them to become this like other group and then you extrapolate that with what's happening like palestine and and israel and you get people to start like assessing like the relationship between america and another country like you saw america become very uninterested in uk quickly.
Like we,

we, we,

the second economy goes down,

we start going,

well,

what do they do for us?

What,

why are we giving them like,

and they're starting to ask similar questions about Israel.

And there's a lot of anti-Semites that are jumping on,

on it and they're muddying the whole thing.

They're going,

ah,

this is what the,

they control the government.

They do this.

All the,

every conspiracy.

We told you so. By the way, you're speaking a profound secret that many administrations in government have known for a long time.
And I think this is where some of the mistrust comes from. I talked about this, like maybe it was like a couple months ago, but the most incredible stock market was actually under Biden.
The most amount of money printed was under Biden. The most cumulative total budget deficits was under Biden.
The most amount of short-term refinancing of debt was under Biden. And part of what you can explain is that if you keep the signals that everything is healthy or up, you're allowed to propagate all of these other things that would get very quickly recapitulated.
And when you take the gas out of the market and you take the gas out of all these other markets and all of a sudden the price of energy is up and the price of this is up and the price of that is up, then you start to question, hold on a second, why are all of these things as important? The above the line, below the line conversation that we have tried to have several times on this pot jason yeah and you have to like meet people you have to meet people where they feel in order to communicate with them right like they could like when people right now are like assessing like america's relationship with israel like it's it's and and they you hear these like soundbites like that's our closest ally and then they go well what does like, well, let's explain to them what that means. Like, let's explain the importance of that relationship and how it's beneficial to Americans.
Because if you don't explain it and you just go, oh, just be quiet, whatever. Then they start to look at these lunatics on Twitter and start to go, wait, is that true? Yeah.
And then they're down the conspiracy hall. Exactly.
Like, you have to explain, like, I don't know what the mineral deal was about, but I know with Ukraine, but I know for a second there were some Americans who go, oh, we're going to get some minerals out of that? All right, minerals sound good. They're going to pay us back.
It's that simplistic, right? So it's like, I think that kind of communication is important and it will actually help understand these relationships, which I imagine are very important. I'm not privy to all the geopolitical decisions that are going on there.
Who knows, intelligence from Israel could have thwarted 20 more 9-11s. Yeah, maybe you can't say that because you expose the intelligence operatives you have in the field, but it would, I think, be helpful to understand the value of that for the everyday American so that when you see something crazy on Twitter, can go okay you're just an anti-semite and you're looking for a justification for your hate i mean this is your point about trump sometimes he has these take care we'll see you later bro take care david this is like i think the point is going to be a conspiracy theory about that right now i just want to let you know you just talked about israel and he's like yeah and the one jewish guy left i'm ready to go way to go shelsey this is how it starts david david this is how it starts you drove up thanks a lot you drove him out right shows when you said um you know trump's a masterful kind of communicator here biden listener gave all these weapons to to ukraine under the auspices of what's called a loan lease they have to pay them back but biden never communicated that well tell us and then trump comes out he's like you know what we gave them 180 million 180 billion they're gonna give us 500 billion back we're making a 40 he basically described a 42 compounded return sounds good so yeah it's better than anything that's ever happened i mean he's out there in terms terms of his ability to communicate it chamath as we wrap here any final thoughts what do you think about trump and what he's how he's doing and what he's doing so far and what do you think about elon and doge who here we go okay so uh trump and what he's doing how he's doing so far like i I don't know.
In other words, I don't know if I

can assess it right away. Maybe I'm giving him a little bit longer landing strip or whatever than

other people because I have a little bit more hope or optimism. Again, if you don't like the guy,

you're going to see how horrible this is immediately. But I'm going to give him a

little bit more leeway to see. If it doesn't work out and it's really horrible, I'll be the first

person to call it out. He's in power power we should definitely check the people in power but i'm hoping that these actions in the short term are beneficial in the long term is everyone going to work out no um doge is like i'm so depressed about not depressed stupid but like i'm bummed about because i don't think there's any American that is pro waste inefficiency and bloat.
This should be a bipartisan issue. Like all Americans should be coming together going, oh, my God, the DMV is going to get better.
This sounds awesome. And I think, you know, I have a lot of respect for Elon, but I think sometimes on Twitter, he's like twisting the knife a little bit.
And it's like, you don't need to twist the knife. Like we all want this.
This is something we can come together with as a country and support. This sounds great.
Don't twist it. Just kind of let it be show your wins.
When you do something wrong, we can acknowledge the things that we did are wrong and we'll respect that. It bums me that this has become so partisan.
And I do understand there are a lot of people on the left that are making this partisan as well.

They're weaponizing it.

There was this crazy clip between Rogan and Elon where Rogan was like, how does all this go down actually?

And he's like, well, I can't really speak about the corruption because I'm afraid it would get me assassinated.

He's like, actually, if I tell you what I know, it was the weirdest like two minute clip.

And then they just kind of left it and moved on and my brain was like what are they talking about

what what must be going on i mean there's a lot of money going out the door yeah but who's killing

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Another thing that's really interesting to me is people keep doing these things like, what is Elon's play? What is he doing here? Is he actually going to take over? And it's like, Elon has been dealing with local government for so long, trying to push through. He is not an American citizen he cannot be present he is at the highest position he will ever be in his lifetime in America you can't get higher than being the right-hand man of the president since you're not from America you can't ever be president so I think he's going to behave really well because now he's in the most powerful position he will ever be in if If you want to talk about power plays, you got to watch out for JD.
That guy is high emotional intelligence. That's somebody that I would be keeping my eyes on if I'm Trump.
But Elon, he's going to be a good, he's going to be your best friend. Because it's only downhill if he pisses Trump off.
Interesting, interesting. Aian candidate for jd no no no i'm not saying that he's gonna do anything bad but he is like right don't don't treat him light like we got this don't sleep on jd new yorkers we do this all the time we hear someone with like a southern accent we think they're a goofball and it's like right that guy went from like a broken home to yale appalachia to yale and then the vp and he's 40 he's your age he's like 40 he called trump hitler or something and he ended up he said i'm a never trump guy he's so to say that he's not emotionally intelligent does the city doesn't know how to manage up or whatever that term is he's sappy hey keep an eye on him keep an eye on him for sure all right listen andrew schultz is playing at the funny bone on april 16th and 17th he'll be at chuckles on the 20th drink minimum uh by the vl you know where to find them incredible incredible netflix special who do you think who do you last question who do you think is the funniest if you had to just take a wild stab at who the funniest person? No, me, me, Jason, or Frayvier.
Oh, of us. Between the three of you? Here we go.
Okay, so. You can say me.
Jason, so Jason is the most, like, naturally inclined to be funny. He's probably just the most funny being around.
Chamath will probably get the biggest laughs when he says something funny because he's like he's not asking for much like he'll just say something that's like a dart and it'll kind of like hit you and you'll be like oh and then i think david will like structure something really funny and you'll be like oh that was a clever i see how you did that right there i am i was actually when i was an astrophysicist chelseaz, I was very funny myself. I did summer stock.
That would be my take. Like, I think if we're off the pod, I think Chamath says some, like, wild shit that everybody goes, what the fuck? I think you say that the most.
That's what I would say. There you go.
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Continued success. Come back anytime.
I like the way Schultz pronounces but i may go to chamath i like that chamath yeah chamath is too it's too used actually we should go to a different pronunciation i love chamath chamath is just so it's tough with the it's tough with i know you're longer but it's tough with the names from over there like my podcast co-host akash right akash everybody calls him akash now i his name is spelled with two a's a's after so it's like a car you if it's got two a's next to each other yeah you want to go there k you go there but it's akash so it is tricky but he said like his parents specifically picked a name he thought that americans would be able to pronounce like they calculated that and like they werelling him. I think that's a really beautiful thing for a kid.
They could have named him John. Steve.
They had to keep it real though. They still had to keep it real.
I was about eight when I could read and write English well. Eight.
Because it was my second language. When I saw my name written out, I was like, what the fuck did they do to me here? What is this? My middle name is like 15 other letters.
My middle name. They picked a name that has math in it.
Like they knew what they wanted. You know what I mean? Yes.
They were like, if you can pronounce this, you can solve the Pythagorean theorem. It's so true.
This is harder than the Pythagorean theorem. My son is going to be an engineer.
I'm so proud of him. He's going to figure it out.
He'll get us two months. He's going to get us two months.
Let me ask you a question, Andrew. Is it racist if I do an Indian impersonation? Because I know I can do Italian and Irish, but can I do Indian? No, it's funny, bro.
I don't think so. But I think it's like...
Is it the intent? i don't think so but i think it's like is it the

intent i'm just i don't even think it's the intent i think if you like if you say certain things like if you say bitter right like if if you say that like that's like my love like you know if you say little things that are more than just the sound but if you got into the culture like to let them You know, hey, I didn't learn this from the Simpsons.

And I learned it from my buddy's family.

Then. that are more than just the sound, but if you tap into the culture to let them know, hey, listen,

I didn't learn this from The Simpsons.

I learned it from my buddy's family.

Then I think you'll see people

who are like Indian Sri Lankan.

They'll be like,

oh, he's got friends.

He knows.

I'm going to go ahead

and until I make my move to comedian,

I'm not going to do it.

I'm going to save it

to when I get my Tony,

Kill Tony set. Yeah, what's your Korean accent acts can you do that like can we go through i can do korean because my wife's korean and her dad i'll tell you when i i can because my dad my my father-in-law i i went to china he's an industrialist he's there and i said hey listen I'd like to marry your daughter.
And he said, okay. Two conditions.

And I said, hey, listen, I'd like to marry your daughter. And he said, okay.

Two conditions.

And I said, okay.

And he said, do it fast.

And he poked me, Andrew, so hard.

Like a reinforced poke with his finger.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

On my shoulder, I get a bruise.

I'm like, oh.

Yeah.

And then he goes.

And I said, what's the second thing?

He says, no refunds.

He says it just like that. And I was like, okay, okay.
I don't marry a daughter. No refunds.
Do it fast. And I literally had to marry her within a year because he knew.
He was like, listen, I got, he had four daughters. And he was like, I got to move inventory.
I love it. And I was the first.
I married the oldest daughter. None of the other daughters could get married until I married my wife, was the greatest thing i ever did three beautiful kids you know how it is and uh listen good luck you're gonna have a second and third i know you got some eggs i hope so man god do it three's the right number if you want to go if you want to do a half elon you can go with chamat's plan he's on six or seven i'm on five bro i'm on five well i mean anything's possible and then freeberg's on four'm on three.
I think three's the right number. I'm going to catch up, boys.
I'm going to catch up. All right.
Listen, continue success. Thanks for doing it.
Thank you so much for having me, guys. Cheers.
Thanks. We'll let your winners ride.
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Love you you Wes, I'm the queen of kinwine. I'm going all in.
What your winners lie? What your winners lie? What your winners lie? Besties are gone. That's my dog taking an audition in your driveway.
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My habbitasher will meet me at Blaine's. We should all just get a room and just have one big, huge orgy,

because they're all just useless.

It's like this sexual tension, but they just need to release somehow.

Wet your feet.

That's going to be good.

We need to get merch.

I'm doing all in.