Alicia Silverstone

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert.

I'm Dak Shepard.

I'm joined by Monica Padman.

Hi.

Hi.

Today we have Alicia Silverstone.

And we're looking at, I think, 30-year anniversary of Clueless, which is so exciting, a movie that changed my life.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, I was so 30 years ago, that's 95.

I got to California in 95,

and that just seemed like another galaxy.

Her in that movie, the notion that I got to sit and chat with her would have been unimaginable.

And there were so many iconic LA things

in that movie that when you moved here, weren't you like, oh, the valley, the this, like everywhere in LA takes 15 minutes.

That's true.

Classic.

Classic on the 10.

15 or 20?

I forget.

Okay.

The Crush, Pretty Thing, Batman and Robin, Blast from the Past.

She has a new series out now on Acorn TV called Irish Blood.

Which you loved.

I loved.

This was incredibly fun.

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I don't think we've met in the world.

Do you have a specific memory?

Yeah.

Oh, save it for the pod.

It's always fun, though.

You always find out if you're nice or mean.

Oh, you have the movie bag.

I do.

How fun.

Wait, what movie bag?

Begonia.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, they gave out fun bags?

As like a wrap present?

Oh, my God.

I'm surprised they didn't get you a Patagonia something because it sounds so simple.

They could have done a little play on it.

It would be a gardening bag, right?

Oh, yeah.

Is that what that feels like?

You're a known gardener if they got that specifically for you.

I'm not sure.

I think everyone got it, but who knows?

That's not a joke.

You know, she's a known gardener.

I didn't know that.

That's exciting.

I want to become a known girl.

I've run a lot of interviews with you today, and most of them mention your gardening.

Yeah.

Really?

Okay, where do you claim that we met?

I feel we met.

Now, maybe I've got it wrong.

At the Garden State Premiere?

No.

That's a Zach breath joke because so many people confuse us oh yeah no i'm not i'm not confused by you two at all

but there was a kind of private dinner i want to say with jonah hill on la sienega if you go off where that sally hirshbergers there was a restaurant okay and i feel like james franco was there oh no not james franco sorry orlando bloom and i feel like you were there that night i may have made that up it wouldn't have been a very meaningful moment i really feel like i'd remember of course but regardless doesn't matter when you paint that picture, it sounds very plausible, right?

Yeah, yeah, it does.

Like all the ingredients are there.

Jonah Hill, sure.

I've been to some dinners with him.

Yeah.

But I'm not remembering that exact one.

And I didn't make a scene.

You don't remember that much.

No, I think you said something nice to me and that was it.

Okay.

But that could have been Orlando Bloom, and I just confused the situation.

If you confuse me for Orlando Bloom, that's a compliment.

He's very good looking.

He's very handsome.

Very handsome.

I was just with Rob Lowe on his podcast, and he said his memory of our hanging out last was very different than my memory of our hanging out last.

So

tell me.

He remembered us presenting, I think, at the Emmys, which I have no memory of.

I remembered us spending a day together.

We were both on a show at the same time.

I was on Mismatch and he was on whatever show he was doing at the time 20 years ago.

I think we were on NBC, I think.

And

the two of us both were, you know, stars of their shows that we're going to have.

So they cut us pair to do a lot of sort of things together.

Right.

And neither of you know anything about each other's shows.

No.

So he doesn't remember that day.

And I don't remember presenting at the Ambys with him, but we believe each other.

I see my magazine covers and I don't remember being there.

I know they happen because I see it.

The picture looks sort of familiar, but I don't remember being there at all.

It's so interesting.

I mean, memory is weird for everyone, but I do think these environments heighten that issue where it's like, where am I?

Also, they're all heightened experiences, like a photo shoot and stuff.

Everyone's staring at, like, maybe your brain just sort of wants wants to get rid of that.

Oh, that's another aspect.

I think in a lot of these situations, you do disassociate.

Do you like in a photo shoot, for instance?

I hate getting my photo taken.

So when you have those four-hour photo shoots, I'm just off in some chamber.

I'm gonna do a four-hour photo shoot for a boy.

Yeah, that's light, isn't it?

Yeah, also, I'm so hard to deal with.

We're not gonna get a good one.

Just send him on his way.

I don't even think he can hear us.

I don't even know if he's here.

He's mad at everyone.

I had one of those yesterday where my manager sent me a video of him at a concert with a woman and he was saying listen remember this and it was Rob Thomas's concert and he was with his wife yes and I had forgotten you were in a Robin and I was in a Rob Thomas video completely forgot it was a nice memory yeah I was like oh yeah and then I showed it to my son and he was like that's you

yeah yeah

okay so Right out of the gates, mom and dad are both from England.

They're English.

My brother and I are the first Americans in the chain.

Dee Dee is mom?

My mom is Dee Dee, but she's no longer with us.

She's been gone for almost six years.

Dad's still here.

I'm going to see him on Friday.

Almost 92.

Wow.

Oh, wow.

How old was mom?

She's eight years younger than him, and she passed six years ago.

So 84.

No, no, she did six years ago.

She was 78.

That's bad.

Yeah, it's bad.

No, we don't like that.

Did they meet here, or did they meet in England?

They did.

My mom was a flight attendant for Pan Am.

Oh, my gosh.

This is so meek.

Also, those very elegant.

She was the most elegant.

I thought she was beautiful when she was 78, and she was beautiful when she was my age.

And she was just sort of really

different than all the other parents, you know, because she wore all Laura Ashley.

I don't know if it was Laura Ashley, but that kind of thing.

She doesn't even know what that is anymore.

It's like that really floory, floral.

Yeah.

When I was younger, it was upsetting.

She'd say, Why are all your clothes black?

So whenever I'd see her, I would try to wear colorful clothes so she could feel good about it.

Yeah, you had a green shirt.

Oh, yeah, I only wore for

four years straight.

Because were you trying to be the opposite of her?

I wasn't at all.

You know, I was born in 1976, and that's when we had a revival of female liberation, right?

Yeah.

That movement.

And I think it was in the air because my mom couldn't be that way, but people around her were.

And you were in San Francisco?

Yeah.

And I did a show called American Woman a long time ago.

I played Paris Hilton's grandmother,

which was Kyle Richards' mother.

And in this show, I felt like my mom.

They would go to elocution classes and she wanted to be an actress, the character that I was playing.

so all that's to say that my mom she was elegant

and there was the real pizzazz if you were on pan am as a stewardess we called that's what we called it then stewardesses

but they met in england so they met in the states they were on an opposite date my dad was on a date with her friend Okay, and she was on a date and then they switched apparently by the end of the evening.

Oh my gosh.

Was it a double date?

A double date.

Okay.

It was a double date.

They turned into a double dare.

Wow.

Double dog dare.

He turned into a double dog dare and then a reverse back at the end of the night.

And that was in Florida.

What were they all doing in Florida?

He wanted to move to the States for the sunshine, for the better life.

And they were in the war, World War II.

And so my dad was dodging bombs in the underground, you know, as a young boy.

That can't be fun.

And then he moved to Florida.

And he opened up a sandwich shop in Coral Gable, opened a place called Monty's.

He had already done this with the restaurant business with his dad before.

They were sort of sandwich dinery kind of places.

My mom was a flight attendant for Pan Am, and I guess she got stationed in Florida as her base.

And for some reason, I guess she chose that.

She wanted to get away.

All the English love the sunshine.

Yes, they do.

I mean, my dad looks really dark.

Okay, like Ricardo Moms and Mom or something.

He's a sun.

Always from the sun.

Always.

He's a sun guy.

Our skin types don't make any sense because I'm very white.

Is he very white?

No, he's dark.

It's not his genuine color.

That's my one.

I've never seen his genuine color.

I don't think there will ever be a genuine color.

Where his tidy-whities would be is probably quite white, is my guess.

I know.

And I don't want to see that.

Oh, yeah, you don't need to think about that.

But he wasn't going to ask him.

We don't know.

Probably.

He always had a speedo, always.

So, what took him to San Francisco?

Because he wanted to get into real estate.

And that was my mom's idea.

And that ended up being very good for him.

They were in San Francisco.

Then, when my brother and I came along, we were in San Bruno, then San Carlos.

This is all in the bay area okay and then hillsboro i'm presuming you're moving up the socioeconomic ladder each of those moves because hillsborough is nice right hillsborough's like beverly hills but we were a little hillbillyish in our you know keeping up with the joneses like we had a nice house my dad had a nice car but we were all counting pennies not that it was bad he took on all they could afford yeah we went to sizzler for dinners

benehana was the big once-a-year activity so when i was 16 and my agent took me to a restaurant that wasn't Sizzler of Benny Hana, I was like, what is this?

Yeah.

Like I couldn't believe.

Yeah, you thought the options were either all the food was out in a salad bar or it got made at your table.

Yeah, that was the only option.

The third option that they were going to make it backstage and then bring it out.

Did you feel like you didn't belong in that fancy environment?

Did you feel like, oh, we're pretending?

We didn't care about that stuff.

My mom was so anti-materialism.

She was an environmentalist without knowing it.

She wasn't trying to protect the earth.

She just was absolutely anti-waste because of the war.

She said, remember the war all the time.

Oh, wow.

Because she also went through the war.

There's just a different awareness of being responsible and thoughtful about your money, about...

your resources, which I wish everyone had.

And so she had it naturally.

She would save everything.

I just saw that the other friends were a lot more indulging and some had a lot more, but it wasn't really a thing.

America's a really unique place where you can be rich and then feel super poor.

Right, exactly.

Like there's so many people that lived in a really nice neighborhood, but they could barely be there or they couldn't be there.

It was so stressful.

And everyone else seemed to be flying to Aspen on planes.

There's so much comparison here, too.

So that's part of it.

Yeah, just these huge gaps that can exist.

My dad was doing well.

He just was really thoughtful.

They were frugal.

And my dad had come from very little.

So you're responsible because you know what it is on the other side and you know how hard it took you to get there.

Whose idea was it for you to start modeling at six eight eight okay there was a woman named pat forrest i like her already it's a solid 80s name yeah it is if you get lost you forget your keys at school just go to pat's house and she'll look after you for five so pat forrest lived up the street in san carlos we walked to school it was just two houses down and pat forrest saw me doing dancing like you know how kids put on shows i'm sure you put on shows we all put on shows do boys put on shows to their parents yeah but it's more like watch me jump this thing in the driveway i set up up a ramp.

Okay, that's the show.

The show is generally vehicular in design.

So the girl shows are dancing or singing, right?

Well, we would do dancing shows and it was ridiculous, the costumes that we would put on.

One time, Pat Forrest was suffering one of these shows, and she said to my dad, she's going to be a star.

And now, whether or not she had a premonition or she was just being very kind.

It sounds like a standard thing to say to a person.

I think it is, but it ended up being somewhat true in her defense.

So

I think something made them decide that I should go into acting.

So I think we got the modeling thing as a way in.

Yes.

But in my mind, I thought I was an actress, even though I was eight.

The modeling thing was not for me.

I didn't like it.

But you got a dominoes commercial really early, right?

That was once they started acting.

Yes.

How old were you when you got the dominoes?

And before we even explore dominoes, you should know Monica and I still swear by we love dominoes.

There is a place for dominoes.

No, not for me.

I could have guessed that, but I'm just wanting you to know how we feel.

We love it.

How we feel so yes.

We feel really passionate about it.

Now, why?

Is it the nostalgia, or do you really think they make good pizza?

Well, they make a beautiful pizza.

Okay,

the square thing crust.

Hey, it's so maybe I should try a vegan one.

You should try the job.

They have gluten-free now, which I get down with.

I can eat a whole one of those.

I did it, by the way.

Recently?

Remember, I just said I gained 14 pounds.

Yeah.

It was from one pizza.

It was from a series of days.

One of them was a dominoes order.

Like, fuck everything.

Go on all.

Yeah, this happened to me sort of recently, too, where I got home from a party and I was like, there's only one thing for me to do tonight, and it is order dominoes.

Like, I have to have it.

So funny.

It was so good.

They're not even a sponsor.

No, they don't.

Well, they should be.

Oh, they are.

It would make sense.

This sounds like a full-blown advertisement.

We've been talking like this for years.

That's why.

They are basically like they love us.

We genuinely love the product.

Okay, so how old were you when you got the dominoes commercial?

I was 14.

So it was a big jump.

My dad took me to the theater all the time.

So I loved the theater and I never had any intention of being in movies or TV.

I didn't know anything about that.

Just loved the theater.

Did some stuff at school.

And then he got me into an acting class with this woman, Judy O'Neill, who would come to San Francisco with a group of kids.

And I was a young kid, and they were like 17-year-olds and 16-year-olds.

Intimidating.

It was so exciting.

Yeah.

And like, oh my God, so juicy and therapeutic.

Everyone was crying about stuff and didn't like their parents.

And it was juicy it was like nasty

this feels like my people or something this is more interesting and deep and crazy i want to be a part of this so i just was enjoying this lesson i was terrible and because there was a boy in my class who i had a huge crush on okay how old was he so jonah blackman shout out jonah he danced with barynikov he was he was in a got milk commercial he was a star yes and did he have an incredible physique from all that dancing i imagine he did yeah he was very much not playing on my team And I thought, Jonah has said that he has been with women since, so not fully, but mostly likes men.

But at the time, I thought we were in love.

Do you know that song?

It must have been love?

Yeah.

It must have been love.

That was our song.

But it's over now.

Oh, wow.

So must have been love was our song.

And I was pining for him when I was in England in a camp, like just dying for Jonah.

But Jonah and I were best friends.

And I would tell everyone he is not gay.

And then one day, you know, it turned out that he was.

And did you feel betrayed?

I did for five seconds.

Yeah.

Because we had been friends for so long.

And I just thought, I've been fighting people on this for like four years now.

And he was like, listen, it's not my fault.

I didn't know.

But now you look like a chomp.

You look like a chump.

You're right.

Checks your ass can't catch.

But we also did kiss.

I remember that we liked each other a lot.

And there's a lot of Jonas Blackman stories.

But anyway.

You were obsessed with him.

I was obsessed with him, so I couldn't pay attention in my class.

I just, you know, I would giggle and distract him.

I had very share.

I didn't want to go there this early, but wow.

And then one day I got it together and I just got good.

And then I went to LA because they invited me to come to LA with this Judio Neil group and I lived on a futon in a room with other children.

Oh, really?

Very interesting.

The whole experience.

There's somebody else, Eric Dane.

Eric Dane.

I knew it.

Me and Eric Dane.

Yes, we had Eric on the show and I'm remembering that he was on the futon of somebody's.

And he was there, and he and I were together.

Yeah.

Yes.

As romantic lovers.

Let's hope.

I told you.

Oh, you said we were together.

No, no, no, no, no, I'm still definitely.

Oh, you were in the same state of the same story.

No,

we were in the same group together, in the same class.

But you weren't romantic.

No, definitely not.

I had to think.

He was a lot older than me.

I mean, not that much older than me, but at the time.

No, I think I was more interested in Brandon.

Oh.

Anyway.

Is he also?

No, he's not.

Okay.

Yeah, did you like any Straight Boys at any point?

Yeah, I did eventually kind of.

I got around.

Who knows?

Who knows?

She knows.

She knows.

Yeah, so you'd gotten the Domino's commercial at 14.

You moved to L.A.

at 17 and live on the futon.

It's complicated business.

I moved to L.A.

when I was 14 because I'd gone to do this acting camp for the summer at Judy O'Neill's house where Eric was.

We did a showcase and things started happening.

And I didn't understand what was happening.

And so then when it was time to go back to school i went back to school in san francisco at my school san mateo high school sophomore year and i found myself having to fly back and forth for these auditions did you know marshall tuck by chance yes

why do you know marshall tuck nate tuck's my best friend in la his older brother whoa you know marshall yeah i remember marshall he was i think he was a senior when i was a freshman does that check yeah i think he and i are the six because he was in san francisco he went to san mateo and i think nate lived in hillsboro was not very close with marshall you know i mean like because he was a senior but I remember being invited to parties that Marshall was at with Chad Sparks.

Does that sound like Jay Marks?

California name.

Jay Sparks.

Chad Marks.

Josh Mechty.

These were the boys.

Jay Shredder.

Bino.

Wow.

Yeah.

Great memory call.

Yeah, thanks.

Yeah.

Yeah, really.

They were all the cute seniors.

Yeah.

Okay, so they're memorable.

14 down there.

So I'm going back and forth and back and forth.

It's getting ridiculous.

So then we decide to take me and just live for my sophomore year, second semester in Los Angeles.

And who's we, me and mom or the whole gang?

My dad and mom and I.

My brother was older, so he was already in college.

And so they were like, let's go there.

And I got off the futon.

And actually, Jonah came and lived with us.

us because I'm remembering he made out with a girl in my bed.

So I think Jonah,

I know, but we were already confusing.

We were already past the whole thing.

Okay.

I'm going to Beverly Hills High now for my second semester of school.

And I'm doing the commercial.

I did a pilot.

I probably did the Wonder Years at this point.

And I'm just 15.

And then I auditioned for this so exciting program at Beverly Hills High, which is the dance group.

They had a company.

I think it was called The Company.

And I wanted to be in this dance company so bad.

And I got in, but not in the top 10.

There's like an alternate singing.

So you get to dance with them, but you're not in.

You're just like, if somebody hurts themselves, I don't know.

That's cool.

That's an understudy.

But I was so excited.

And I got into the drama department, which I was so excited about.

This is for the next year.

So junior year, I'm coming back and I'm going to be in these groups.

But during that summer is when I got the crush, all those plans got destroyed, but other good things happened.

Now, really quick, how was the transplant from San Mateo to Beverly Hills high?

You already said you weren't into fashion.

You wore the same gap t-shirt with a pocket on it for four years straight.

That's true.

Did you feel out of sorts?

Totally.

Obviously, the film Clueless is an exaggeration of the people that were there, but some elements are pretty accurate.

Like all the girls did have nose jobs, which is so disturbing.

At that age,

a lot of them did.

And they drove BMWs.

They did.

Yeah, like Beverly Hills 902 and oh.

They did.

They drove the BMWs.

Amy did some research.

Yes, yes.

I went to that school and I still wore my sweatpants.

I still wasn't into any fashion.

I still was doing my green t-shirt.

Did you make friends?

I did.

We were living in an apartment building that is on the very cusp to count as Beverly Hills.

Sure, sure, like on Robertson or something.

Right off of La Siena

where meets Wilshire, right there is La Pierre or something.

And that street is a little apartment building we lived in.

Whereas these girls lived in massive mansions in Beverly Hills.

They were going to Aspen at Christmas on a jazz.

I think so.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so when you,

you must have this feeling all the time.

I have it so often, which is like I'm watching the Britney Spears documentary and I'm remembering how Paparazzi followed her.

And I'm watching then on the late night talk shows, people calling her a slut.

On talk shows?

Oh my God.

You're calling Monica Lewinsky a fat slut.

Really going hard when I watch these docs.

I'm like, oh, wow, I lived through that.

And it didn't seem crazy at the time.

And now it seems insane, right?

So similarly, I look at the crush.

I'm like, look at the premise of this fucking movie.

You're 14.

15.

I think you're 14.

Oh, the character.

The character.

Yes.

Okay.

I thought that.

As written.

Yeah, no, she's 14.

She gets a huge crush on a 28-year-old and tries to seduce him.

I mean, this is bonkers.

It's like American beauty a little bit.

I know, and there were so many beauties.

Yeah.

Fatal Attraction and Lolita mixed together.

Right.

But you're saying now this would not be acceptable.

Well, just you look at it and you go like, this is such a I mean, they might still make a movie, but probably the takeaways would be much different.

I don't know what they're taking.

It's just such a male fantasy that there's some 14-year-old prowling around America.

It's so horny.

She's trying to fuck a 28-year-old dude and seduce him.

I mean, that's madness.

That's not really happening.

But again, I was that age going like, yeah, this makes sense.

It might be happening if that person probably has trauma, but most likely the man is preying on that 14-year-old.

I mean, look, here's a really dicey one.

You won't be saying anything.

Don't worry.

This will all fall on my shoulders.

But it's like, I'll read a story about someone who got some pictures surfaced and they were in blackface in 85.

And I'm like, that's terrible.

Also.

There was a movie out called Soulman that we all went and saw in like 87.

It was a white guy playing black in blackface to get a sky.

Yeah, things have really changed.

You do at least have to acknowledge the context, which is like

a movie in 3000 theaters of someone in blackface.

Yeah, but in our culture, nobody wants context.

They want black stage, they want revision.

I mean, it's wrong.

Don't get me wrong.

I'm very clearly don't know blackface.

But if it's in the cineplex and you go on that Halloween, you're not at least thinking you're stepping outside of what the mores are.

Exactly.

Probably most of what we all did was non-proceptable.

Yeah, all the time.

That's also also the thing with people pointing the fingers.

It's like, well, maybe look back at your own past.

I'm sure there's something there to dig up.

No one was perfect.

It's so hard to be perfect.

It is.

It's impossible.

But now that we're out of the water, I do look at it and go like, oh, this is bonkerous.

There was a hundred movies with like teenage girls in love with older dudes that I watched.

That men wrote.

Yeah, that men wrote.

Even the desire of someone that young is, you have some insecurities, clearly.

I'm sorry, I'm going to go out on limb and say it.

You are very insecure as a 28-year-old dude if what you think you you will be matched with as a 14-year-old.

Unless, I mean, I don't know, maybe they've experienced it.

I don't know all these people, so maybe one or two of them.

I don't want to just say

across the board, they're all bad.

The writer of this claims that this happened.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe he did.

The crush.

The writer claims that this is a

story out of his real life.

Look, there's all kinds of people.

Okay.

Anyways, that movie was a big, big deal for you.

It was.

You were immediately newcomer MTV movie awards.

Movie awards.

Wow, huge.

That's villain.

I was very proud of that.

That's a problem to me.

The 14-year-old.

She was very badly behaved.

She really stalks him.

Oh, yeah.

But he shouldn't have kissed her.

She's a kid, though.

She's a kid.

There are so many problems.

Yeah.

She's not the villain.

But she is.

She's really badly behaved.

She almost kills someone.

She does need to go to a mental hospital.

But sure, it's all problematic, probably.

I know she's just sick.

She's mentally hurt.

I mean, she's trying to do some.

She's taking off clothes.

He's not pursuing her.

Right.

But he does

accidentally, for one second, kiss her back, which was a big mistake.

Big mistake.

Cannot do it.

She thought they were getting married.

Yeah.

She had already demonstrated that she had a little tenuous grasp on reality yet.

He kissed her back.

She was bad.

She hurt her friend.

She made her friend fall off of his horse.

She's no good.

She's definitely not normal.

She's not good.

She has some mental issues.

I I will be watching this tonight.

It's a good one.

Yeah.

Really remember, of course, the Aerosmith video.

Were those cast out of LA?

Well, Marty Colner, the director, who remained my dear friend all the way up until he just passed.

Okay.

I love that man so much.

Talk about mixing up things.

You know, he was a 45-year-old man hanging out with a 15-year-old girl.

Maybe I was 16.

We would drive everywhere together.

We hung out all the time.

Like, I'm sure it looked freaking weird.

He was just totally clean.

He thought I was his daughter and he wanted to protect me.

I didn't know any of that.

I just thought he was my friend.

Right.

But as I got older, I started to realize, oh, he's been a solid, healthy figure in my life.

Yeah.

Anyway, he's adorable.

So he had seen the crush with, I think, John Kalodner, who was a big guy at Geffen Records and said, will you be in this video?

And I didn't know who Aerosmith was at the time because I was.

16 years old.

My kid doesn't know who Madonna or Elvis is.

This string of videos you do is actually kind of the rebirth rebirth of Aerosmith.

So people don't know, Aerosmith was enormous in the 70s.

They went away.

Run BMC brought them back for a minute with Walk This Way.

And they were kind of out of it, but that kind of recharged.

And then now this crop of music is when they come back on the scene hard.

Liv was in one of those three videos.

Liv was in the third one, yep.

So I did Cryin' with Stephen Dorff.

I bungee jump off of the bridge and flip him off.

That was the one that won best video of all time.

Yes, and you deserved it.

What a great

thriller.

Best video of all time.

Isn't that crazy?

I've got beef with that just because thrillers.

You can totally have beef with that.

It doesn't make sense.

But it's a great fucking video.

I don't know how they'd pick.

I'm going to call for a vote.

You should do a revoid.

But I will say that you can totally do that.

I think that what made it different was for the first time a woman was in a video in control and powerful and not like just taking her clothes off.

Yeah.

On the hood of a car.

All the videos were like that.

Every video was a girl totally naked.

Did you and Liv have a little something?

Did you guys?

We did some stuff.

Did you guys kiss maybe in that video?

Did I just infer that maybe?

Oh, when Marty and I talked about doing this third video and Liv wanted to be in it, he was talking about doing a strip thing.

And I said, I'll be the guy.

I don't want to strip.

I had the idea that I'll just be a dude watching her like you and that that will be hot in itself.

So that's how that part got born.

But yes, the whole video is us like romping around and pretending that we're making out.

Very exciting.

Very exciting stuff.

This is what a a rock star dad, this is the difference.

My dad would not be cool with

me being young in his video.

Being sexual.

Being sexual.

But that's like growing up with a rock star dad.

She had just recently found out that was her dad.

It was pretty recent.

Oh, I didn't know that.

She was raised.

by

another great musician, Todd Rundress.

That's right.

Who her mom was married to growing up.

This is all public knowledge and then i'm now nervous i'd be wading into stuff i know but all i know is i think she found out kind of later oh wow that her dad was stephen tolerant they went to a show and they started talking about she was like you look well they are twins they're twins and their vibe is their vibe that's weird she met him and didn't know pretty sure that's the story all the time

let's fat check that wow

i think they had a kismet meeting and then the mom told her i think wow

well i mean they literally have the same everything

yes same exact sense of humor.

I don't know them that well, but I mean like the face, like the mouth.

Yeah, the legs.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love in the video when he's doing his like, ah, you know, and then his kick of the leg, she mimics that.

And it's perfect, right?

Like back and forth.

So I did a movie with her, and that's when we became friends.

And then somehow she said to me, she was at her dad's and she said, I'm doing this movie with this guy who's this guy.

And he's like, he was in without a paddle.

That's my favorite movie.

And gave me his stationery that is a silhouette of him doing that.

Oh, no way.

Yeah, and he wrote, like, without a paddle, greatest movie of all time on this cool stationery.

And I framed it.

It was one of the many things Kristen was like, Jesus Christ, when she came into the house, it's like, there's so many pictures of yourself for hours.

That's a good idea.

That was one of the things that was up.

Yeah, that mouth is incredible.

Like, every time I see a clip, somebody just showed me a clip of it.

115 teeth.

You can see the smolars when he smiles.

It's incredible.

Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert

if you dare.

Okay, so I think you're 18 when you shoot Clueless.

I turn 18 on set.

Now, again, I know this is common knowledge, but it wasn't to me.

What's interesting about Clueless, of course, I saw it.

I loved it.

It's the first movie I remember being so obsessed with, have to watch over and over again.

All our friends watched it and were being the characters.

It was the first like real zeitgeisty movie I was a part of.

Yeah, were your friends assigning like you're so-and-so?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, you're Dion.

Who are you?

Were you Cher?

No, they wouldn't let me be Cher because I wasn't white.

Again, this is the times.

Maybe now I could be Cher.

Yeah, kind of old.

And Kardashian was just Cher.

Exactly.

I was probably putting the Dion, who I love.

Yeah.

Great character.

That's a great character.

You can't really go wrong.

No.

But yeah, it was the first movie that while I was alive hit the zeitgeist.

Would you put me in the Paul Rudd one or the best friend?

Wait, the Paul Rudd character or the gay guy?

Yeah.

That's not.

I don't know if we say that now, but yeah.

Christian, Christian.

You're neither.

You might be more of the other guy who ends up being a douchebag, but that's not

Jeremy Sisto's part.

Yes.

We're going to give you that part.

Okay.

Physically, I get it.

I don't know you well enough, but I think just on first sniff, that shows it.

Well, there's definitely a period of my life, and perhaps that period of my life where I would have been.

Paul, I forget that it's him.

So wild.

Okay.

Now, what's totally known, which I don't know that I did, is you couldn't be more opposite than her, which again, when you meet somebody in a movie, you just kind of assume that's who they are.

I dealt with a different thing, which was I played mostly just dumbasses for like the first seven years.

Wait a second.

I love your show.

I just remembered.

Apparently, no, I don't know that one.

The one with Blake Bell.

Oh, what's this match?

Yes, yes, yes.

He just completely forgot until just now.

You're only the third person I've ever met that saw that.

Oh, I love it.

Oh, wonderful.

I love Ed Begley in it.

I love all the actors in it.

So good.

Monica was on it.

She was

the fair scene.

What was she doing?

Yeah, you were.

She played like an egg salesman or something.

Competing eggs.

That's such a good show.

Okay, sorry.

So you're saying that you got put in a category from what?

Oh, just I played a dumbass.

I was in idiocracy.

I played dumb a bunch or white trash.

And I think people, when they would meet me, they're like, oh, you're not dumb.

That would be kind of the first thing they would say.

You're taller than I thought and you're not dumb.

Yeah.

Because it was also on punked pranking all these people.

There's definitely, I do think for a lot of people, like, oh, you are not what I expected.

Right.

So

you have that so much.

I wrote down a thing you said, which I thought was fascinating.

Most of the time, I didn't even know what Cher was talking about.

Most of the dialogue was a different language.

Amy knew all the street words and had her finger on the the pulse of the latest underground everything.

I was the exact opposite and knew nothing.

You were not stylish at all.

You weren't hip like that.

No, I didn't go to Hollywood parties.

I was really just into the earth and animals and food and permaculture, a theater nerd.

Anti-materialism.

Yes.

Yes.

How interesting.

I mean, it's one of the biggest gaps I think I've observed in a popular character and then the actor playing it.

You experience it like it makes sense to you seeing me.

Does it make sense seeing you?

You're very authentically yourself right away.

And it's not share.

There you go.

That can't be said for a lot of roles.

She was so iconic.

Let me back up.

This is how I want to frame this.

We've had a few different male actors.

I'm going to use Chris Pine as an example.

Where he had cystic acne growing up.

He became like an overnight sex symbol and trying to make peace with that.

and embrace this thing that is working publicly, but you feel so completely removed from.

Again, that gap between what people see and think versus what you know you are, and then this sense of fraudulence or imposter syndrome, all these different weird things that arise from that.

I'm wondering if that chasm between this character you got so known for and who you were felt like it was going to be problematic for the rest of the world to deal with.

I can't be responsible for what the rest of the world dealt with, but I do know that at that time,

I felt like I was a serious actress and I knew what it took to be an actor.

I knew the work that was required.

Like some people are really beautiful and they act and they're like, okay, but they're beautiful.

Maybe because I was in a house with people like Eric and Brandon who made it clear to me like, you know, they were big brothers.

They said mean things that made me go, oh, I'll show you.

You know, like, maybe not Eric, but I didn't come into this going like, oh, I want to be in movies.

Right.

Yeah.

I just sex symbols.

Yeah.

I didn't even like, what?

Yeah.

Like, I was just a baby.

And it sounds sounds like most of the crushes you had had at that point were with guys that were either unavailable or right.

Have you experienced a ton of attention that way prior to that?

I mean, you're obviously beautiful, so I'm sure people looked at you.

Yeah, it wasn't like that.

I mean, I will say that the high school boys who we were talking about, that Marshall group,

they did come over to me when I was in freshman year and asked me, Do you want to come to a party of ours?

And I was like, I'm getting asked to a party by the seniors.

And then I thought, oh my God, that was so fun.

I was very dorky and nerdy and didn't have a sense of fashion.

I definitely wasn't walking around like Sheris.

You can clearly say that.

She's so much a product of her environment.

And what I was able to latch on to,

because I remember thinking that she's shallow, materialistic, things I didn't like.

Yeah.

But what I remember loving about her was her wanting to take care of her daddy.

She felt like she was doing charity with Ty.

She was so giving.

And in her small little world of money and popularity and everything going her way, she really was very charitable.

Right.

Right.

Like she was trying to spread the wealth.

She was trying to give back a little.

It's so ridiculous.

I remember thinking, I'm not funny.

And I remember at the time, my agent who then became my manager after, but at the time she was my agent, Carolyn

and then my husband.

Carolyn Kessler, basically.

She said, what I think is funniest about you is when you get very serious, you know, and she's, I'm like, well, that's kind of insulting insulting and also amazing at the same time.

But how I translated that information, because at that point, everything I did was sort of dark.

I was in Jeff Goldblum's hideaway with Jeremy Sisto again.

I had been in a movie in France with Les Nouvemonde, with James Gondolfini.

Oh, wow.

I had been doing these dramas.

There was not one comedy in the eight movies that came before Clueless.

And like I said, I considered myself a very serious actress.

Yeah, yeah.

So I obviously could laugh about that now, but I do think when they were saying Aerosmith chick, I was like, oh, Aerosmith.

How dare you do it?

Do you know what it took?

Like, it's just ridiculous.

You know, you're a kid.

Yeah, you take yourself extremely seriously.

And so I didn't have any bad behavior around that, hopefully.

Well, maybe.

But I just thought in my head, here I am doing, I've already forgot what we're talking about again.

What is Wamba's?

What's clueless?

Shit.

We know what's going on with you.

We just had an expert on.

Oh, is it menopause?

Period and Perry.

We're virtually the same age.

I blame it on my schedule.

That's probably more on that.

Yeah, my recall for names.

I'm like, oh, it's all really happening.

You're having perimenopositions.

I am.

I'm having one of the men.

She has sympathy, perimenopathy.

Sympathy cause.

Because everyone in my life claims

to happen.

But this also happens after you have a baby.

Your brain goes out the window after a baby and then the whole thing.

Anyway, where were we?

What I was talking about was.

Although, obviously, the crush was big and got attention.

This was something so humongous in, as we now know, permanently in the culture.

And right away, like I watched your first interview on the Today Show, which one of the times you were on recently, they showed it and you were 18.

Yeah.

And you're just quite honestly in so many words, like, yeah, this is uncomfortable for me.

I don't really know how to do this.

You were expressing discomfort right out of the gates.

And what I was curious about.

That's so sweet.

It is.

I liked how honest it was, but I was curious, was it a discomfort with fame or was it this tension between I just played this thing everyone loves and America's talking about and now I'm going to be somebody that is completely different from that.

I didn't have any care about that.

You didn't feel like, oh, that's what they want from me.

Unfortunately, I didn't care.

I didn't like the attention.

It's so overwhelming to be so young and being asked crazy questions

and being scrutinized.

Someone asked you your bra size or something.

Oh, yeah.

60-year-old guys asking these teenage girls whether they have fake boobs or they're bra-size.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

To me, that's the funny part, the bra-sized thing.

A lot of it's not funny.

So I just didn't have any interest in it.

I was an activist in my little heart since I was a little girl.

And so I really got focused.

I just went, fuck all this.

Are we allowed to swear hair?

Oh, please, yes.

It's encouraged.

Okay, gotcha.

Rewarded financially.

Rewarded, okay, good.

I went to Peru to go down the Amazon River with Woody Harrelson in intentions to save the rainforest.

Okay, wow.

I went to Africa to help with floppy trunk syndrome with these elephants, made a little documentary with Ted Turner's company.

I got into all my socially, environmentally sound.

And what was the management around you saying?

Nobody really loved that.

Yeah.

That was not great.

They're probably like, you got to capitalize.

You have an opportunity right now.

You can work with great directors.

Here's what's on the buffet for you.

And the buffet will get taken away at some point.

I don't know that it was as clearly articulated like that, but I do think that activism in general, I remember being on some talk show in the morning and I never went through media training at that time.

And there's no playbook for becoming famous.

There's no guidance.

I didn't know how to do the press part or the being in public part.

So I was on one one morning morning and they asked me something like, what do you think about Mary J.

Blythe or whatever?

And all I knew was that she was wearing some big fur coat.

And I started describing anal electrocution of how they got that coat.

Okay.

That was an innocent response.

Then afterwards, everyone was like this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No one's to hear about anal electrocution.

Why are you talking about anal electrocution on National Morning Show?

They want to hear about Clueless.

And I was like,

I need to go.

Yeah.

Like, cause everybody needs to know.

At first, I thought I could use the press that I didn't want to be doing to talk about these things.

But then I needed to realize that none of them wanted to hear it.

Yeah, there's like a bunch of horse trading that goes on.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, I'll come do this, but I want five minutes to talk about this.

And no one wants to do that five minutes.

That conversation didn't happen.

It was more like, how are you?

Well, did you know this?

Yes.

And did you know this?

I'll tell you, I'm better than the Amazon rainforest, which is being depleted on a thousand acres every year.

Do you know nine million?

And I still do it.

I'm like, nine million people die a year from hunger.

It's an inefficient use of resources.

What are we doing?

And people were like, who's this weird girl?

She's supposed to give us fashion tips.

She's got a great style.

Exactly.

Exactly.

How to catch a boy.

So I just sort of went a little bit off.

So there was the light switch of fame, which had to be completely disorienting.

But then there was, did you sign a deal for like eight to $10 million with Columbia right after that?

Do you think it was a massive development deal?

I did, and I don't remember the amount.

Okay.

That's what that internet says.

Let's just say it was a ton of money that you probably had never seen.

Was that part exciting?

Yeah, I remember what was exciting at that time, because I had seen Jodie Foster direct stuff, I thought.

They're asking me to make this movie and I get to produce it because I had not been interested in the script many times.

And I'd had one experience with that prior, with the babysitter, where I didn't produce the babysitter, but I remember the girl felt really like she had nothing to do.

She was just a sex object.

So I was able to talk to them about, hey, can we make this more of a human being?

And she's still obviously a sex object in the end of the day, but she's more of a human being.

She's a multifaceted sex object.

I guess it is about their messed up brains.

They are all fantasizing about who she is.

So I had her like reading Shakespeare and doing weird things that made her sort of different, but I got a taste of, oh, you can adjust things and make things a little different.

And so on Excess Baggage, they were asking me, what is it that you want?

And I liked the idea.

It was just not being executed at the time the way that I felt like I wanted to jump into.

So I have great curiosity about Excess Baggage.

Okay.

That was the first movie you developed under that deal.

And Benicio del Toro, Christopher Walken.

This is like a fucking incredible cast.

Yeah.

Like me, you had seen usual suspects, right?

And you're like, who the fuck?

Give me the fucking keys of cocksucker.

And then you flipped it for real.

He flipped it for real.

He flipped it for real.

When's the last time you saw that movie?

I know.

I want to re-watch that.

Oh, my God.

You can't understand one word he says in the whole thing.

I loved it.

He's brilliant.

So was it hard to get because he seems so elusive to me.

I don't understand.

I would love to talk with him and understand what the game plan is because he's just gone for these long periods of time and then he pops up in three movies right away i'm like how's he deciding all this he seems hard to get into something was it hard to get him in that no i had a similar conversation with him where we sat down and i was like the script sucks let's make it good and he was like okay

he doesn't talk like that

it's really good monica i know you're cringing but that's kind of how it's going i know the line everyone knows the line

for real

what was it like working with him He and I had an incredible working relationship.

I could write a book about that.

So we'll just give you the highlights, which is I think that we had a tremendous respect for each other.

I know that he really valued, he always would say, you're so strong.

And that was because I was totally unhinged.

I did not know any rules.

I had nobody sit me down and go, this is how you get things you want.

Thank God, though.

In some ways.

In some ways, but in other ways, I really should have been sat down.

That's interesting.

That said,

we had an incredible journey together on that experience that anyone who was involved would understand.

And it's really to be left in a vault until I'm like writing a memoir because it's too, you know, that's the second time you've policed yourself.

Maybe I police myself a lot.

Yeah, tell me about that.

What's your fear?

Because I've been doing this for a long time and I don't like how if you and I have a really, I mean, there's so many things we've already said that I can go back in my mind and go, oh, when it's heard, they then take the one little thing and it's all over the news.

And it's just annoying.

It is annoying.

But you still care?

Do I care?

That's a good question.

My ex-husband, who I love very much, always said, I don't know what your problem is.

Everything you say is so punk rock.

He thought it was great.

It's great.

And I can look back and see it that way.

But what I don't love is it being brought back to me.

It's just boring.

You know, if every interview you do, somebody's bringing back something.

Probably bring up something.

Yes.

Yes.

I just want to stay in the now.

We're having an incredible conversation, but what could be taken?

I'm critical of it.

I was just curious.

Did you have an event where you felt I paid a big price for that?

No, I also just think there's a lot of things to say that it's no one's business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I don't want to out people left and right.

Like, why?

There's a million things that have happened to me.

I just have no interest in

running other people through.

Yes.

Me either.

I just have no interest.

I don't lose sleep over any of the stuff.

I have a really good life.

I love my kid.

I'm fine.

So I just feel very well.

I don't need the drama.

I don't need the drama.

I don't say anything here about other people, but I'll admit to it.

I would have been in love with Benicio del Toro.

He's so sexy.

Yeah.

And I think he looks like Brad Pitt.

Yes.

So that was part of my pitch.

So I had to go.

See, now I don't know if this is okay to say.

Well, you tell me you can cut it out.

Yeah, I don't know.

So I just don't know if he'd like this or who would like it.

But I had to go into Sony and beg them to hire him.

And when I did, I was like, he's he's the Spanish Brad Pitt.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Like, what?

He's dying.

He's so hot.

I was like blushing.

Yeah, I did this whole crazy.

That's correct.

Yes, I love that.

There's nothing bad about that.

Well, I know it's just flattering.

You're worried that Benisto would hear that he had to get pitched to the studio, but he's realistic.

He had three lines that he mumbled in one movie and he wanted to be the coach.

He's probably like, thank you for doing that.

We had Brad Pitt on recently

and it was great.

My main takeaway, because of course that happened.

People are pulling headlines.

They're saying all kinds of stuff.

They're saying stuff that didn't happen.

They're like, oh, he talked about his ex-wife.

No, he did not.

You know, they're piecing things together that make no sense.

And I was getting so flustered every time I saw it.

I was like, no, they're lying.

But then I was like, but he doesn't care.

He came on.

He knew this was going to be.

Yeah.

He's like, he knew.

He's like, they're going to do this.

But he's obviously at a place that he's just like, I can't control that.

I don't care.

And I found that so admirable that he's just like past it.

He's like, whatever.

People are going to say it.

It's not true.

And that's it's also, I just find it really funny.

I'll say something that's nuts and I'm like, that's going to probably be something.

And then I say something completely inane, like, we don't bathe our kid every night.

Right.

Which is.

And then all of a sudden, like, the mom blogs are like, their kids are filthy.

I'm like, that's the thing you're out of, I'm talking about smoking crack and robbing liquor.

No one's interested in that, but I didn't watch my kids.

Yeah.

It's almost fun.

You almost just have to like sit in that side.

It's all so ridiculous.

Yeah, because it's so ridiculous.

Like I said, I don't lose any sleep.

I'm just trying to make my life easier.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

Okay, now this falls back under the umbrella of I think you live through a time that current people would not have to live through.

And so if you don't want to talk about it, fine.

But I do want to talk about Batman because I feel like that must have been kind of a scarring experience.

Batman itself?

Just that whole experience of doing that movie.

I didn't know any of this stuff.

I just read about it today.

People were calling you terrible names.

Paparazzis were shouting.

I was running through the airport.

Yes, that's crazy.

They're standing there to like answer questions and then get you onto the plane.

Behind there is a little square box and I would hide in there while they would scream at me.

It was horrendous.

And you were how old?

22 issue?

No, I was 18.

You were quite young.

I was babes.

And people were thinking it's fine to do a full page article about your physique.

Oh, yeah, all the time.

And I was half the size I am now.

It's so.

You know, it's so weird.

When all that was going on, were you just like, oh, I guess this goes with the territory?

Or were you like, this is brutal?

No, that was pretty brutal.

But also, there's worse things in the world.

People are dying and things.

And I try to keep all that in perspective that it's a high-class problem I suppose to have.

I think that's bullshit.

I do.

I think that's bullshit.

I think that's people afraid that someone's going to go, oh, boo-hoo, you're rich.

Being chased through the airport, being called

fat.

Fat.

It's clever.

No, it's fucking wrong.

It's awful.

Do you know what I would say back?

I mean, in my head, because I didn't want to talk to them.

But, like, how do you go home at night and speak to your children?

I know.

Like, today, your daughter is a huge fan of mine.

Yeah.

Tell her, oh, I told the person that you love and admire that she's fat today.

Does that feel good?

I met her today.

I called her fat.

And also, what does that tell your daughter she's supposed to be?

If this body's not okay,

then what body is okay?

It's mental.

Did people defend you like in the airport?

I don't know.

I was hiding with a thing over my head.

I mean, it was really intense and sucked.

Yeah, I don't think you need to make light of that.

I think that's a very like

traumatic.

You've lost total control of your environment.

It definitely had its effects for sure.

And I do think now, you know how you have bad comments, somebody gets angry at you about whatever.

Yeah.

And then all these other people come to your fight and they're like, fuck you.

This is, you know, and you're just like, yeah, you don't have to say anything.

Other people come back and they go, no.

You're just like, great.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah.

And I've learned over the years, like, if you're on social media, you can't take any of that.

Do you remember when you first started doing it, how you'd have 99% be nice?

And then there'd just be one thing and it would just get under your skin because we were new to it.

And then I suddenly went, oh, who cares?

This is ridiculous.

Yeah.

So you do get used to accepting things.

Yeah, I do terrible with it.

I'll say in the moment, I don't care.

And then three hours later, I'm driving on the 101 and I'm like rereading the thing I read and defending myself.

You're fighting with yourself.

Yes, and I'm like,

no, this does affect me.

I'm like, I'm full of shit if I think, well, I don't know who that is while I'm thinking about it three hours later.

I know.

I have a question.

I was just thinking about.

So, because of this, that's crazy.

Being chased through an airport, being called this, having articles about you by like eight men.

You were preyed on.

Why were they even allowed in the airport?

Like, you can't have people in the airport anymore.

Post-9/11.

They were allowed to come all the way out of the gates.

About 9-11.

So, silver lining no one likes to talk about.

Thank God.

Yeah.

People aren't fair.

They're like fair when they talk about 9-11.

There's been a lot of sides.

Yeah.

And you're getting praised by people who you respect for calling you strong,

which is a great thing.

Is it hard for you to be vulnerable and sensitive because you take so much pride in being strong and I'm not going to let that bother me?

I mean, I think I'm extremely vulnerable and sensitive.

I'm probably too sensitive.

Anyone who knows me, I'm an open book.

That's why I have to watch myself because I'm so open.

I never used to pay attention to any of that.

And I used to to just be completely open.

I mean, the thing that I would think before I would get here is, I'm going to have too much fun with you.

Think that I can just say anything because it's enjoyable.

Right.

When I was a young girl, I thought, well, I have to tell the truth and I want to be open.

Like, that's how I am.

So I would never have any way of being responsible for those things.

But I've just learned over time that there are some things that are yours.

I do think I'm healthy enough that I don't need to expose everything.

Yeah.

That's for your friends.

That's for fun conversations.

that's maybe for when you're dying, you want to write a book, or when everyone's dead, so it doesn't matter.

I sometimes think we all vomit a lot of details and information out there that I don't know is really helpful or needed.

It's this sort of chaotic

specific background where it was imperative to get sober to shed that.

I've had 21 years of going into rooms with strangers and they're all dead honest, and like I like the results of that so much

that to me, to experience that and then to leave there and then have any amount of shame about anything about me felt so incongruous.

I enjoy being that way more than I enjoy being protective.

And also, I recognize it's not for everybody.

There are things that are yours.

We're really open on this show.

He's not going to tell you the ins and outs of your relationship with your wife.

Yeah.

Do not detect you just aren't.

Generally, anything that involves someone else,

I'm very protective of, and then I expose my mom a lot too, but

she's given me her blessing.

Okay, here's what I'm getting at.

I'm impressed impressed you didn't just quit altogether.

Well, now I have a little bit of anxiety, not real, just a slight thought that you guys think I'm super guarded.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't find you to be standoffish or anything.

I've just seen you police yourself a few times, and I wondered if there was any reason behind it, just out of curiosity.

I think the main thing in a nutshell is there's so much going on in my life currently, and I just like to stay with what's happening.

I just did an entire press tour in New York.

I have four things coming out.

And the only thing they're talking about is clueless.

Yeah, and at some point, it's like if I do an hour interview and nothing comes out of it other than clueless, you're just kind of like, wait a second, yeah, you know what I mean?

And I'm so happy and grateful that everybody loves it.

Yeah, but these things are great.

Yeah.

Begonia with Emma Stone and Jesse Plemmons is amazing.

Yes.

Irish Blood is really, really good and pretty things.

Like these are good things.

Yes, yes.

So if nobody gets to see them because they're so like

clueless.

So I come into this with anxiety because my fear is you must feel that way.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm not dumb.

If I were you, I would be like, okay, yes, shut up about Clueless.

No, I loved it.

I loved it, but also I don't want to talk about it for the rest of my life.

I don't mind talking about it for the rest of my life if the other things can be talked about.

My thing was punked, right?

It didn't matter how many years after I had done that and I'm doing movies.

And things you're proud of that you worked hard on.

Yes, there was 10 years where I was like, shut the fuck up about punk and stop asking me what it's like to act.

I already was acting on that.

You had to explain to them that you were an actor.

Yes.

Because they didn't know.

You had ship on my shoulders.

And what I hated about that when I came to peace with it all is like, I robbed the whole experience.

of that from myself because I just didn't want you to bring it up in an interview and I was sick of talking about it.

No, I wasn't friends with Ash and Kocher.

He didn't put his friend in it.

You know, like I auditioned, you know, all these like hangups I had about it.

Oh, yeah.

And at one point, I was like, dude, you're on the show that was this cultural phenomenon.

You were a big part of the reason.

And fuck yeah.

And I've come to love it.

So my thing is, I don't mind that.

What I guess I mean is, like we said, if you put out one thing, you were talking about blackface.

Oh, yes.

I don't know what word I said, but maybe I said, oh,

I don't know what I said.

But whatever it was, let's say that went out.

Yes.

Then like, that's all that nothing else gets talked about.

And so it doesn't matter, but it only matters because I've just spent a whole year dedicated to my work.

Yes.

Where that involves family and sacrifices.

and like this is your living in another country for three months for it all to just be outshined by some dumb thing that's what i guess it is oh yeah yeah i get that i do too i think though and this is very upsetting but i think the truth is currently also just because the media cycle is this fast like so that could be a headline for a second and then they forget four hours and then there's a new one no i know which is our president will probably do something that'll take the definitely temperature But also, what I think is wild is now you see a headline, somebody's name pops up, and then for some reason, they do then see the project.

Like there's this weird thing where it's like, oh, this person's in the zeitgeist again.

Oh, there she is in this movie.

I'll watch it.

We're so fragmented now.

And weirdly, again, I kind of hate this, but being out there in general, I think is positive.

It's that like horrible old thing.

All presses, good press, is gross and currently, I think, kind of really true.

I've had things get derailed though by things that have come out for sure.

And it's just a bummer when you work on something really hard.

Yeah.

Oh, but what I was going to ask is, you've got the number one hit comedy of the summer.

Then you're in Batman, the biggest franchise, and we don't even have Marvel yet.

If I were you, I was like, okay, I'm doing as good as you can do and I hate it.

Like, this is as good as it gets.

I'm the lead of enormous movies that are successful and I hate it.

And then I'm wondering if also you're out there shining a light on a lot of problems that need addressing.

Were you shocked to find out what angers people so much about activists?

How have you synthesized why activists tend to anger people so much?

Like, what is your conclusion after years of being an activist?

I found, because at first, you know, it's like, when you discover what's going on about anything, and I was young.

So I discovered what was happening in the animal world and how our food production was affecting people who are starving all over the world.

And nobody cares, nobody talks about it.

And the earth problems and all of these things that this one thing could affect four big, huge areas, right?

Animal cruelty, people starving to death, health, and environment, all at the same time.

It just seemed like a good, you know, when you're bowling, what's that called?

Strike.

Yeah.

You just can't get it all with one thing.

It's so efficient.

But I realized when I learned all this stuff, it was so eye-opening.

I wanted to run around screaming rape, murder, fire, everywhere I went.

Right.

And nobody wants to hear that.

They don't have room for it.

So I don't know if it was Howard Lyman.

He made tons of money as a cattle farmer.

He had crazy heart problems and was in the hospital about to die.

He had a moment where he kind of came back.

They told him the food that you're eating is what caused this.

And he had this huge revelation, changed his diet, changed everything.

He's amazing man who's been going around telling everybody his story.

Well, at one point, I think I went to an animal rights conference.

I think it was in the year 2000.

He was there.

And I remember him saying something like, it's better to wait to be asked about this stuff

rather than sort of going around proselytizing.

Yeah.

You're going to have way better results.

And also I thought, oh, God, that's such a relief.

Do you feel guilty if you hadn't shined a light on that?

Yeah.

And I remember my husband saying, we're not together anymore, but we would go to a party.

This is when I was like 21.

And I was newly vegan.

And he sort of would say, is there anything you can talk about besides that?

You seem like really stressed out when you leave.

and i'm like oh no

so he was right but i didn't know how it became a relief when i wrote my book the kind diet yes because i was like look i'm gonna write everything i have to say here And if you want to read it, you can.

And if you don't want to, you don't have to.

And now I don't have to talk about it anymore.

And so I can promote it.

I can tell people when they ask me questions.

That's where it all is.

And I don't have to answer the stupid, you know, a lot of people are just sort of jabbing you.

Yeah, yeah, they want to have a debate with you.

Yeah.

And I can tell right away if they're actually interested in a real real conversation or not so it's sort of like oh if you're interested just read this i don't need to spend my evening it's a lot of energy but if i were you i think i would be feeling like i'm just saying something to try to help and everyone's so mad about it what's going on Because I've had this experience where we're visiting my mom and my stepdad, who's now passed, and Kristen mentions, wash the apple first.

There's a lot of pesticides on the apple.

I hear my stepdad in the kitchen.

He's like, Jesus fucking Christ.

Now we can't can't even eat apples.

Like he was just so upset.

And I was like, what's going on in Barton's mind right now?

He loves Kristen to death.

He feels defensive.

He feels judged.

Yeah, judged.

That if we do this, we must think you're stupid for doing that.

That's a kernel that could definitely happen.

So you can probably tell by looking at me, I'm into lifting weights and I eat a lot of meat.

I have a lot of accounts I follow.

I'm not vegan, but also I don't care if someone's vegan.

What I can't understand is people who fucking hate vegans because they eat meat i don't understand why vegans hate meat eaters that makes a little more sense to me but another one is gas car electric car just don't drive an electric car i'm super into cars and people that are into cars they don't just don't buy an electric car they hate electric cars all their posts are about they hate electric cars they want them to be made illegal i don't understand hating something because hating the person that's trying to do better is really tough for me i understand the opposite way more again that's tough because there's judgment and it's just not going to work to judge people but to be like how dare you drive an electric car it's like it is better what's different this is so confusing to me because i'm just i'm not really dialed into the motorsports community yeah i have experienced people in my years where they're like you're vegan well are those shoes vegan you know and you're like putting you through a purity yes they are but let's just pretend they're not for a second does the veganness go away Choosing this way of eating, you save so many animals.

Like, I did this because I love animals, period.

End of story.

But once I did, I ditched my asthma inhaler.

I had allergy shots twice a week.

I was taking antibiotics two or three times a year for bronchitis.

I had acne everywhere.

And I, after Batman, was what they called a little pudgy, right?

Like, or some people said fat girl.

And I changed all of it.

All of this went away.

My skin was glowing.

My eyes were white.

My nails, you couldn't bend them.

It was like so strong.

Everything changed about my health.

All positive.

Yeah.

And then I did research and was like, wait a second, Bruce Lee was vegan.

Wait, Naritolovo.

There were some athletes who did it for performance.

It helped with inflammation.

It helped with recovery.

And it gave you longer-lasting performance.

And then I started to learn that there was all this science, and that's why I wrote the book, The Kinda, because there was all this science and medical research that supported this idea.

So it was this magical thing that was happening to me had happened to people who had cancer, who had had heart disease, who had diabetes, who had lupus, who had MS.

So I was like, oh, this is interesting.

I didn't know.

I remember crossing myself and I'm Jewish, but going,

I didn't know if I was going to be well, but I couldn't look myself in the mirror one more day and say, you're a good person.

You love animals, but it's okay with you how they're tortured and mutilated.

Yeah, it's completely incongruous with hypocritical.

It was too hypocritical for me and I just couldn't do it anymore.

So that's why I changed.

But all these things started to happen to me.

Then I learned about the environment, which I did not understand that connection at the time.

And then I started learning about all the starving children all over the world and the people who are dying.

And I was like, this choice is the most efficient way to knock out all these problems at once.

You can't solve everything, but you can solve a lot here.

And even if people just do it more than not, it is better.

I feel like it's been great for me.

And I loved writing the books, Kind Mama, Helping Mommies Get Pregnant.

And I just really found a way to harness this thing that I cared so passionately about and dive into that.

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if you dare.

I'm impressed you didn't just bail.

Bail.

Because if you're getting heat from like both sides, some part of me would go,

you're getting all the attention at the airport, which is totally

unpleasant.

And then imagine when you're sharing the causes you care about, people are being critical of your activist work.

And how at that point do you go like, I just fucking give up.

I give up on all of it.

The activism stuff was so crystal clear to me, you know, especially once I wrote my book.

It was too rewarding.

There was a man who had come to the first signing and then he came to a signing two, three years later when I went to paperback.

And he goes, you don't remember me.

And I was like, I'm sorry, I don't.

He said, because I've lost 100 pounds.

I'm off every medication I had.

Wow.

And he had changed his life.

And another time I was at the theater, I mean, this happens a lot, but people say they love Cher and Clueless every single day, everywhere I go.

And that is really lovely.

Or they've seen this movie or they've seen that movie.

And that's really lovely.

But nothing is more lovely than a woman who comes over to me and says, I couldn't get pregnant and I read your book and I got pregnant and thank you.

We start crying.

That's the juice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that I was not going to escape.

And I guess what happened with the acting was that even though there were hard parts of it,

I did sort of go away.

I wrote for a long time.

I started doing other things.

You did a ton of theater, I noticed.

You did a ton of theater.

And the theater got me back into the acting.

That was kind of my hunch from looking at this from the outside, going, oh, yeah, that version kind of sucked, but I love acting.

I can go do this here without all that.

Which I kind of forgot.

You forget you're an actor.

Also, money enters the picture, and that's a very powerful.

Complicated.

But I did love aspects.

Like Benicio and I had an incredible, I mean, there was a lot.

of hard parts of it, but we also had a great experience.

And being able to learn on the job the way that I did.

And then I got to do Love's Labor's Lost with Kenneth Branagh and I got to do things like that.

Now, I made a lot of dumb choices along the way for sure.

That's the only way we can do it.

We just got to learn from the mistakes.

I feel like I came back in a different way.

I got to do all my theater and through the theater, I got to just work with really cool artists.

And you got to love acting again for what it was.

Okay.

You did Reptile again with Benizio.

Yes.

That was amazing.

Are you guys the same?

We are.

It's so interesting, our relationship.

And I don't want to speak for him, but I know that he trusts me.

I would feel very rewarded by that.

I was so excited when they asked for me to do this.

I remember saying to him, are you sure?

It was so great.

Yeah.

And the killing of a sacred deer, which is incredible.

How did that come to be?

Killing of a sacred deer, I did an audition.

I got a call from my agent who's very good and feisty.

And he said, you need to show up in 24 hours or something ridiculous to this audition.

Francine, this amazing casting director, I believe had seen me in a play I'd done on Broadway, the last one that I was in.

And so she brought me in for this.

And Brian, my agent, said, now you're not going to know who this is because you never know anything

and you're not going to know who any of these people are, but just go watch the lobster real quick and be ready and show up to this audition.

So I watched the lobster and then I did this audition.

And then some weeks later, I got a call that Yorgos wanted to speak to me.

And I was in Australia at the time with my five-year-old son.

I got on the Zoom thing with him.

And I thought it was another step in the process.

Yes.

So I was kind of nervous.

Yeah.

But it wasn't another.

I mean, it was in that I think he was checking.

I wasn't awful

as a human.

Yeah.

But I didn't.

Yeah.

I think he just wanted to check.

And then in that call, he said, I'd really like you to do this.

Was it so exciting?

It really was.

Yeah, if I had just seen the lobster.

Because now I went back and watched Dog Tooth.

And have you seen Dog?

You need to watch Dog Tooth.

Dog Tooth.

Dog Tooth is his first film, and it is so freaking brilliant.

It's Greek and there's subtitles.

So anyway, that was just incredible.

There's moments in your career that just feel so exciting.

Oh, you know, the crush felt so exciting because it was my first movie and I felt like I was with a family and Carrie always was so nice.

It was such a juicy part.

And then I remember Love's Labor's Lost felt like such a big deal to me because it was Kenneth Branham.

It was Shakespeare, you know, and that was such an exciting thing to have happen on Broadway with Laura Linney in this play.

It was an incredible experience with Daniel Sullivan as the family.

But you did just enough stuff to keep you going.

This is you and David Mammet.

We're doing a play with David Mammet.

It was incredible.

That was a highlight.

So this was one of those.

And then I started to see all his films, and I'm obsessed with his films.

And so I'm so grateful to get to be in another one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool.

He did.

The favorite.

He did.

Poor Things.

That was my favorite movie last year.

Poor Things was so wonderful.

And Kinds of Kindness is so good, too.

I haven't seen that one yet.

I'm going to need to have a Yorgos marathon.

Yes.

It's worth it.

Okay, so you were in his new movie on a Halloween comes out.

Yeah.

How do I say it?

Begonia.

Begonia.

Okay, Irish Blood.

I called Monica

from Nashville.

I was watching it.

And I was like, you know, I was going to watch one episode of this because we have Alicia coming.

And I'm on episode three and I can't fucking stop.

He could not stop.

No, look, I had some issues with it, and I

can tell me all the issues.

I'm going to tell you why I'm saying that because if you're me and you're watching and you have some issues at the beginning, I'm telling you, stick with it.

Okay.

I'm allergic to things that are a little sacrine.

I was just a little nervous about how emotional it was.

Is that with the dad part?

Yes, the flashback stuff when you're a little girl.

All right, so just to set everything up, you come in at 10 years old, and the house is trash, and dad's gone.

And you assume that he beat mom up.

Well, there are bruises.

The mom has bruises.

And so the natural assumption is that this guy you loved and adored.

Hurt her.

So that's a very heartbreaking moment for you.

You're a little girl.

You grow up.

You're very jaded when we meet you as an adult.

You're a divorce attorney.

You're an angry woman.

A little bit.

Tough.

She's tough.

Yeah.

Doesn't believe in love.

Can't find a partner she likes.

Well, she's not even looking, really.

Yeah.

Exactly.

She's got to watch her.

You're going to spend the night.

You're like, you got to get the fuck out of here.

Get out of here as fast as you can.

but you get sent this envelope and in it is a key and it is in ireland and you for some reason decide i'm gonna go explore this and when you get there it's a key to a box you discover that your father is dead i think we can say that okay that's early enough we need that for what this show is about i think does it make you nervous yes and no I think it's good.

I think it's a good idea.

I think it's good.

If you think it's good, go for it.

I'll tell you why.

Because now

we've got a mystery.

We've got a who done it.

Dad has been killed, and you have been left some clues by dad.

Okay, now here's the gear that it kicked into for me that made me insatiable for it, which was

did you ever watch Veronica Mars?

No.

Do I need to see Veronica?

Yeah, it's watching.

Was that with Kristen?

Yes.

That's her first show.

That's her first thing.

And let me just tell you, I started dating her.

I know she was on a show called Veronica Mars.

I know it's about a teenage sleuth.

It's on the CW or W.

We've been together for like four months and we're in New York shooting a movie together.

And I'm like, I'm going to have to watch this fucking show.

I got the DVDs.

Same thing.

Fourth episode, she walks in the room.

She's like, you want to go out to Spotted Pig?

I'm like, shut the fuck up.

What you doing?

Ron's about to fucking blast these.

I got so.

So sucked it.

You must watch it because this is very much a grown-up Veronica Mars because you're not built to be an investigator.

You're a lawyer, but you're tough and you're shrewd and you're smart and you seem to be completely fearless to walk into any situation.

And then all of a sudden, this really good noir kind of investigation happens.

And it's very Ron Mars, which is a very high compliment.

Oh, I'm so happy that you love it.

That makes me so happy.

And it's on Acorn, which I didn't know about Acorn.

Did you know about Acorn?

Aaron's obsessed with Acorn.

So Acorn specializes and they just show British shows.

Yeah, cool.

And Aaron watches every single colour.

Aaron is his best friend.

I got him.

Soulmate best friend.

So Acorn just plays British stuff.

And this is an original for them.

So Ireland, how long were you there?

Three months.

And had you been prior to that?

Yeah, I had.

I loved Ireland.

I had been my, I don't like saying ex-husband.

It sounds so horrible.

The man that I was married to for 20 years.

Yeah.

It's a great run.

I know, I say this all the time.

Like, if Kristen and I ever split up, I would only describe this as still an enormously successful relationship.

Yes, because we loved each other to death.

We had these two beautiful children.

We had this great time together.

Yeah.

And I would really feel like I was dishonoring it if ever we were not together.

I will always love him so much.

He lives across the street from me.

Oh,

really?

Oh, that's right.

He used to live down the street, but now he lives across the street.

That's so lovely.

I will always love him.

You can't be together with someone for 21 years.

Yeah, I love him so much.

And sometimes, this, again, I probably shouldn't say.

I was walking the dog.

My dog loves him because he gives him meat.

Like, he just gives him like steaks.

So, my dog's like pulling me up to his house.

I get into the house, and he's standing there in his underwear.

And I'm like noticing all the things.

Yeah.

And I'm just like, this is so interesting.

Like, I'm like still attracted.

Like, I'm sure we're both attracted to each other.

We love each other.

Yeah.

And that was my partner for 20-something years.

So there I am, just like, this is so weird.

So funny.

Also, if you were like four glasses of wine deep in your house and you looked out the window and you're like, I just got to cross the streets.

Yeah, it's so close.

So so close but the reality is we can't so we won't i will say that's really brave to make a decision like that when it's easier to just stay in something that's not really working or isn't right but that you've been together for so long and there's love there it's hard it was heartbreaking it was heartbreaking we were both in love with each other when we broke up yeah just a horrible thing but we co-parent beautifully why am i talking about him what were we just talking about oh he and i had gone on a trip we went to ireland the destination was the mtv music wards of Europe, like Ireland.

Dennis Hopper was there, and it was wild and fun.

We decided to fly into, I think, Shannon Airport and drove.

So we took two weeks to get to the MTV Music Awards.

And I remember being like, we need to live here.

It's so incredible.

So lovely.

When you were in those Hollywoody scenes, could you enjoy yourself and drop in and be a movie star?

Could you pop on that?

persona like if you're at the mtv movie awards could you have fun music stuff was fun because everyone's more wild and feisty and I'm like a hippie punk rock weirdo.

My husband was in a punk rock band.

And so we were rock and roll mixed with my environmental, I call it political, but my entire thinking of wanting to know the truth and being dedicated to love and kindness and trying to make this world better.

That's my rebellious fucked upness.

So I had this sort of hippie punk rock and I don't know how to do small talk.

So I'm useless in a situation where I have to engage about,

you know, like I want to go deep right away and I want to know.

Same.

Right.

And so I did well at music things because it feels like there's a more

gritty.

It's more gritty.

It's more wild.

I did well at things like, I remember I went to the GQ awards in London and I brought Timothy Spall with me as my date.

Who's he?

He's an amazing English actor and he was in Love's Labor Zauce with me and we are dear friends.

He came to our wedding.

He's a lovely man, but that's who I wanted as my date.

And if you have a visual of Timothy Spall, he's now sober and still the sweetest man on the planet.

But, like, you know, we were a little odd couple at this thing.

He's a lot older than me.

I wasn't showing up with Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt.

Not that I wouldn't have been open to that.

It just didn't work out.

You don't have to say names, but after

Clueless, did you get any random calls from like an agent like so-and-so wants your number?

You don't have to give any names, but did you have those calls?

Well, by older gentlemen, sure.

Oh, actually,

hang on.

Older gentlemen.

I can tell you about them later.

There was one,

two,

I think, oh, three.

I'm going to go with there's three when I tell you when we get out of here.

But it wasn't like.

It wasn't gross.

It was just like, no, it was fine.

Let's have dinner.

Yeah, some of them were under the guise of let's work together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The guys.

But there was nothing inappropriate with any one of them.

Okay, so now this is back to your husband.

I was with a woman for nine years before Kristen, and I had this huge fear when we broke up.

Oh, man, that's the last person I'll ever date that knew me before.

Oh, I liked the notion that I had been with someone that had seen the whole thing, that really knew me and still liked me.

Did you have that fear when you got divorced at all?

Like, man, the one person on earth that knew me from the jump.

Well, he didn't.

I met him when I was 21.

He kind of caught me at the highest of the moments.

Yeah, that's true.

Congrats to him.

Yeah.

Yeah, what a story.

But I did have the feeling and still do of how do you find that partnership and that love ever again?

He's my emergency contact.

I'm his emergency contact.

Yeah.

You know, he's your soulmate, really.

I think we're going to be.

something forever.

I don't know what soulmate really is or means because if we were soulmates, wouldn't we be together?

Well, not necessarily.

I think soulmates take lots of different shapes.

And I think you can have multiple, but I also think it's just like we're connected and we're going to be connected forever.

I remember dating after having been separated for a long time and thinking if I liked someone, it felt I was betraying our relationship.

Right.

Even though we were divorced.

Yeah.

I would get teary-eyed, like, oh, I like someone.

This is crazy.

I'm betraying our love.

It's insane.

How about would you feel guilty?

Like, I remember with Kristen and be like, I want to tell her the story about Brie when she was a little girl and found a tampon in the toilet and came running out and and was screaming, there's a bloody bone in the toilet to her whole family.

Like she had never seen a tampon.

And there's like a hundred of those.

There's all these funny stories you accumulate and you're like, is it cool that I tell my new girlfriend this adorable story about my ex-girlfriend?

Or you have like

jokes that are fun.

But it's complex across the board because Does Kristen want to hear about this story?

Maybe not.

Also, is it fair to Bree?

Like, that's my thing with this person.

Do I bring it over here?

Like, it's complicated.

But if it's like Aaron.

of course well there's no complication there i know but what feels crazy is yes of course anything aaron and i have worked on for the last 30 years that's now part of my vernacular is going to come out and i have no issue with it because he's a plutonic friend but also i have nine years of this stuff with braid that's part of who i am and it feels complicated at times I feel like each partner has to kind of hear about all the partners eventually, right?

I don't mind at all, personally.

Like, I'm just, I've not been jealous of her action.

Yeah, it's just your life.

Yeah.

Okay.

So were you in Dublin shooting?

We were shooting all around Wicklow in Dublin.

I got to live in this really cute little village that I love so much.

I love Ireland.

I've always loved Ireland.

And getting to work there was really, really incredible.

The people are very different there.

They're so warm.

They're so generous of spirit.

They're very happy.

And when they're not happy, they're funny.

There's just so much character.

Something's going right in Ireland.

You know, they had the potato famine, for God's sakes.

They should be pissed off.

Right.

But they're doing great.

You know, like you go to other countries and you can really see the hardship on people at times.

And they don't feel that way to me.

They feel just so alive, so grateful and so funny.

And they're so clever.

You did six.

When do you get a sense of yoga to do more?

I don't know.

We started tinkering.

I was lucky enough.

They came to me this really early.

So I got to be involved with all the key creative elements.

So I worked on the edit extensively.

I worked on every script extensively.

We're doing it differently this time if we get to go again so that I can just focus on the acting when I show up because it was really a lot.

Well, I was hooked.

So you should feel like that was time well spent.

I'm impressed that you watched it at all.

Oh, no, I loved it.

I loved it.

In fact, it's rare that I call Monica, if ever, and say, like, oh, I'm fucking hooked.

You got a turn.

I love that so much.

Well, Alicia, this has been lovely, and you gave us so much time, and I really appreciate it.

And I don't know if I was at that dinner, but I like to think about it.

Just pretend you weren't or were

we remember it positively, so we'll pretend like it did happen.

Okay, okay.

All right, well, Atlis, I want everyone to watch Irish Blood and then also get ready for Halloween begonia.

And if you have any interest in an erotic thriller, it's out right now.

Pretty thing.

I do like erotics.

Yeah.

Great.

That's Justin Kelly.

He's a great filmmaker.

Awesome.

So everyone, watch Irish Blood.

Thank you so much.

I hope we get to do it again.

This has been a blast.

This is so much fun.

Thank you.

He is an armcare expert, but he makes mistakes all the time.

Thank God Monica's here.

She's got to let him have the facts.

I'd like to begin with an update.

Okay.

This was sent to us by Rob, and Rob received a message that said, Hi, guys.

I just saw this week's episode with my wife and saw that you were talking about Guar.

I can make that date for Monica happen for real next week at the VIP opening of Guar's art show,

September 12th.

I love this.

Blothar was just on.

Blothar is, I guess, the lead singer.

The new lead singer.

The old one died in like 2014.

Oh, no.

Okay.

Sorry for his loss.

What an incredible name, Blothar.

But we're told, oh, here we go.

Here we go.

Blothar the Berserker is the current lead vocalist and occasional bassist in the heavy metal band Guar.

He appears as a a stout, horned, pig-faced goblin.

Just my type.

I'm now, that's what I want on my headstone.

Here lies Dak Shepard, a stout, horned, pig-faced goblin.

Holy shit.

How hard would you laugh if you were walking through a cemetery and you saw that?

Okay, so looks like

they might be percolating here

with the berserker.

Bloth are the berserker.

So

I guess guess I'll keep everyone.

There's an age gap to contend with.

There is.

There's 56, Rob.

Yeah, he's 56.

Yeah, but.

Oh, 57 this month.

Oh, okay.

So she's still within the

20-year window.

Yeah, look, age actually doesn't bother me.

To a degree, right?

To a degree.

You want to spend more than a couple years with someone.

Depends on.

Speaking of that, I have an update.

Oh, my gosh, I can't wait.

I am days away, days

from becoming a billionaire.

Oh, my goodness.

I know.

Oh, boy.

A lot happened in the five days since I saw you.

I know.

I'm sorry.

What?

Tell me.

I will be winning the lottery on Saturday.

Oh, okay.

And it is for a billion bucks?

Yes.

Okay.

So I've never participated in the lottery.

Right.

And now I'm a gambling addict.

Okay.

How did it start?

And how did we get here?

So on Labor Day, we were at, I was at a friend's, the Hanson's, and, you know, everyone was chatting, a bunch of people there.

And someone innocently brought up that the

jackpot

was at 1.

Maybe just 1

billion.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

That's

crazy.

Right.

And I was like, oh, that's silly.

But then we all started talking about it.

And people were like, oh, yeah, I'll buy tickets.

These conversations all go the exact same, right?

There's that thing.

Someone goes, it's 1.1 billion.

Someone's like, so 550 million after day.

Exactly.

Okay.

So that means lump sum, 500 and something million, and then taxes.

So really, it's this.

Oh, right, right, right.

So we're down to 265, which is great.

This is, I mean, it's a lot of money, but whoa, what a hit.

Okay, but giving up $750K.

I'm very, I'm, I'm, or you don't have to, you could take the billion over the 30 years.

Yeah.

You could.

You could.

Should you?

I don't think so.

Well, I can't because now I'm in a pact.

So.

Okay.

So we're all discussing this, you know, and then the next day

is the last day you can buy tickets.

The drawing was that night.

So it was Monday.

Monday night was the drawing.

Sorry, Sunday was Labor Day.

Hang.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Monday night was the big drawing.

You were preparing to win a bill.

Yeah, getting excited.

You know, the whole like, what are you going to buy?

What would you do?

Who's going to change?

Which one of us is going to change?

Yeah, the most.

Everyone's going to change.

Who's going to change the most and in what way?

And what are you going to do with the money?

What are you going to buy?

It's so fun.

That's the fun of a lottery ticket.

What would you buy?

It's like a justified dream session.

It's free money.

What would you buy if you won?

I might, you know, I grabbed a Southwest flight out to Nashville the other day.

Yeah.

Great.

Flies into Burbank.

We love that.

D-money.

I appreciate the direct flight.

I'm in the middle seat.

It's tight.

Yep.

Flight a billion dollars.

And when I flew to Nashville, I could charter a jet.

I think that sounds really, really nice.

Okay.

I mean, I would mostly before any of that.

Let me be clear.

I would give.

a bunch more money away to a bunch of people that I know.

That's nice.

Yeah.

So we all have different opinions on that too.

What are you going to do?

I'm just gonna like

get my pool.

I'm gonna throw money at a situation that's currently happening at the house.

It's stressing me out.

Okay.

I'm just gonna throw money at that.

Yeah.

And not try to figure it out.

We'll just like take care of that.

That's right.

Um, and then

I'm, I'm like, good, I'm gonna save it.

I'm fine.

Yeah.

But no, I do.

I really want to

go to a hotel in Los Olivos, which is a couple hours away it's an auberge hotel i've been really wanting to go there

no here in california los what is it los olivos or los olivos okay um it's like a little wine town okay great uh callie's been she says it's great and it's just been on my list to go for a while it's an auberge hotel um and so for me it's an auberge hotel for me uh that's first thing first i'm going there yeah yeah okay great and i've convinced everyone like if they win can we please just go there?

They, everyone said yes to that.

Okay, great.

So then it's Monday, okay, and we are at how many tickets do y'all buy?

I'm not there yet.

So there's me, Charlie, Erica, Anna, Jess, and Jess's friend, who I don't know well enough to know if I can out him.

So we're all, hang on, it's Jess's birthday.

Okay.

And talking about the lottery.

This is when we decide on our pact.

Okay, here's what we're going to do.

We're all, Jess was turning 49.

We're all going to buy 49 tickets.

Okay.

Okay.

And that's great.

Right.

Then we've got, we're looking at 300-ish tickets.

Yes.

And we're going to go to different places.

We're all doing this.

If you

win, you have to give everyone in the pot $3 million.

Okay.

That's nice.

Right?

We pinky swore on this.

It was basically a blood pact.

Yeah.

That's legally binding i think yeah at big time charlie and erica leave and you decided to kick them out they had to go they had to go and we had a couple hours until like the it was closing at seven yeah and it was like 5 30.

and um and we're like okay well we gotta go walk to go get our tickets

and

Jess was like, okay, yeah, here's my $20.

And we were like, no, it's 49 tickets each.

Yeah, yeah exactly and he was like I didn't hear that oh and then his friend also hadn't heard that so already there's a fight brewing uh-huh okay

because no you can't give 20 no no you have to give the equal amount yeah if you give 20 you're you're not getting three million dollars you're getting like 1.3 No, you just can't be in it.

I agree.

But even

SK's.

That's case.

But that's what they would probably say.

Like, well, we'll just get less.

No, that's not how it works.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

That's right.

The whole point is to increase our odds.

That's right.

Yeah.

So fights were starting and it was his birthday.

So it was like, can't be in a big fight.

But Ana and I were getting mad.

And also Ana was like, we've been saying 49

for so long.

Like, why?

What's happening here?

So a rift happened in the group.

We kicked them out.

We called Charlie and Erica.

We said, this is what's going on.

Yeah.

Are you under the understanding?

Yeah, that it's 49.

Yes, and are we going to go?

Yes, yes.

Obviously, it's 49.

So we left Jess and his friend in the lurch.

Yeah.

Anna and I walked down the street.

We got our tickets.

Oh, God.

So, how many tickets?

So, we got

296.

No, because $100 each.

So,

no, no, sorry.

It was $100.

Tickets are $2.

Yeah, exactly.

I thought they were a buck.

Yeah.

I'm back in the 80s.

I know.

Sorry.

So anywho, we didn't win.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

But guess what?

Tell me.

Nobody won.

So what is it now?

So then

yesterday was another draw.

Oh my goodness.

And so, okay, no one won on Monday.

On Tuesday, we have to have another discussion.

The pact has to come back together.

Are we doing this again?

Reconvene.

Charlie's like, I think, you know, the rule is if it's over a billion, like, we got to do it.

But for how long?

It's like, yeah, this is the dilemma.

Conundrum.

And I said, look, we'll match whatever you decide you want to put in.

Okay.

So he decided they're going to, they wanted to do half.

Okay.

So now on the second round, you can augment the pack.

Well, as long as we're all doing the same.

That's right.

So now we're down to 25 or what are we down?

50?

50.

50 tickets total.

For okay, for all of us.

Okay, so $100 worth.

Yeah.

And same thing.

We were at in Pasadena.

We walked down the street to our shop.

You didn't side by?

No.

Because you thought it would give you bad luck.

That's unethical.

I thought you may feel that way.

Okay.

And also

on the phone, we were talking to Charlie and Erica.

We were discussing the situation with Jess.

I heard Erica say, okay, and then we'll just buy.

And I was like, no, no, no.

No.

Okay.

And they're already changing by the second.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, before they change.

Full integrity.

You're running one of these game theory

experiments.

I know.

And I'm proud of myself.

It's like a beast game, you know?

Yeah.

I'm proud of myself the way I've handled things.

The way you've carried yourself.

Yeah.

So we said, we'll do what you do.

We went to Pasadena this time

to the shelf.

It's also so.

What's the total, though?

You're holding out the total.

Of how many we've bought.

If it was over a billion on the first time, what's it at now?

Okay, so it was at 1.3 yesterday.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

I'm surprised it didn't shoot up way more.

Or I think it was.

So I think a lot of people do what you do.

It's like they just spend a lot.

Now they actually feel like they need to protect their initial investment.

Exactly.

Exactly.

For the lottery.

So then we

didn't win again.

Oh, I should say, I should say the first time, one of my powerballs was right.

So I think we won $4.

Okay.

Pretty good.

Put that on the ledger.

Exactly.

All right.

Okay.

Then yesterday, we didn't win again.

Although.

Did anyone win?

No.

It's still in play.

And guess what it is now?

1.7 billion.

Then I was texting with Eric about something else.

And I was like, oh, well, you know, I'm about to be a billionaire tonight.

So like, none of this is relevant.

And then he was like, oh, yeah.

Oh, no.

He said, my rule is to play if it's over a billion.

Which I was like, yes, this is a good rule.

A lot of people's rule, I think.

So I asked Charlie and Eric and and Ana if we could include Eric in the pact.

Okay.

But you know, he's going to do a side.

So yeah, because Eric said he wants to put $500 in.

Okay.

So I said, that's fine.

But if you join the pact, put in what we're putting in and have that separate.

Like those tickets have to be separate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you're only getting 3 million off of that.

Exactly.

He's just happy with that.

And then he's going to have to.

Well, your thing doesn't make a ton of sense.

Why?

Well, Well,

in your pack, doesn't everyone pull all the tickets that were purchased?

No, like we still have

to hold on to your

interesting.

Why?

Well, because I think generally a pool would be everyone put in the equal amounts.

These are all of our tickets, and we split it evenly.

I know.

Yours is like, I'm going to buy 25 tickets, you buy 25 tickets.

Yeah, it's increasing our odds, but it's still like, this is my money.

It's more of an insurance bet on a 21.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think that's good.

Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

It's fine.

I personally would be fine us doing it your way where we put it all in and split it.

I want to be clear.

I don't know that it's my way.

I just think that's the conventional way of pooling.

Yeah.

It is.

But I think some people are like, no, if I,

it's my money, I'm not going to feel comfortable splitting it evenly.

What if someone just disappeared?

Like whoever had the winning ticket, they got so greedy they didn't want to kick out the 9 million bucks.

It could happen.

It could happen.

You've watched Mr.

Beast.

I haven't, but I know that was displayed on there, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Can we address

the fact, like, what if

you read that Robert Downey Jr.

won the powerball?

Yeah.

You'd be like, you fucking, people would be like, you fucking

asshole.

I wouldn't be mad.

So, like, here's what I'm thinking right now.

Like, I obviously want to go by a thousand.

Do you want to join the pack?

Hold on a second.

Hold on a second.

But I'm thinking through how angry I would be.

Of course.

I was broke and I saw that an affleck just won a billion dollars.

Listen.

So

it might be a big

law.

You know, it might not be ethical for me to

participate.

I,

so I have mixed feelings on this.

Give it all away.

But you won't.

Most of it away.

Yep.

Okay.

Now, listen.

I want a little something too.

We all want to do something.

I know.

I know.

And this is a dilemma because

I feel mixed on this.

I feel like

I feel like, yeah, you're already rich.

Like Leonardman won the lotto.

Come on.

I know.

But also, I feel like, so what's he supposed to do?

Not participate in fun games because he's rich?

This goes back to White Elephant.

That's right.

I knew it was all.

The original wound.

It all circles back to white elephant

why am i even going why would i play yeah yeah everyone's gonna be so mad i got the good gift exactly then why even go and then people are like oh she she's too good to come to my party like this is

i'm gonna i'm gonna say for myself okay yeah like you know yeah you got you got a ton of good luck the one thing that you're not gonna be able to do is like play the lot of it's like you know part of me is like it feels unjust but then also like yeah it feels like that's okay well somebody has to win and if you win and you give most of it away yeah that's better actually in theory for the world than somebody is gonna keep it all

stay tuned for more armchair expert

if you dare

Okay, so what is the amount?

Yeah.

How much money does someone have to have before they cannot play the lottery?

And what percentage do you have to give away to not be a piece of shit?

And do you have to give away to strangers?

Or

I would really want to do something in the foster world.

Yeah, that's great.

Okay, so.

But are you going to join the pact?

Because actually, I feel like you not joining the pact is bad.

Oh, because really?

Yeah, because I kind of feel like that is even more selfish it's like I'm not joining your pact I don't want to give you guys three million each I'm just I'm just in it for myself

you know see that's tricky I agree but but I might also tip your pact into no shot of winning because the sim and universe are gonna be like you already want let me you already won the lottery by I know so did I

and so there's no way we're letting you win so do I fuck up your pack but Eric said that this is a good test of the Sim because if one of us wins, then like the Sim's definitely real.

But I said, no, I don't think the Sim's that obvious.

Right.

We are not going to win because it's a Sim.

And then he said,

it's going to go to someone who thinks their...

life is going to get so much better, like that all their worries are going to go away.

They're going to be happy.

And then he said, so it might go to Charlie.

And then he said,

so it was good for you to partner with him.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

Yeah.

And he didn't make, Charlie did make that clear.

He does think it's going to fix all of that.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It'll solve a lot of them.

It will solve a lot, but it won't solve the existential ones and it won't solve love ones.

Yeah.

But I've, I've, I'm coming now more full circle.

Okay.

I'm coming more for

what?

Well,

it's like, yeah, I didn't care my thing.

That was my first realization.

It didn't cure my existential dilemmas.

Yeah.

My self-esteem wasn't elevated by it, which is which I was hoping.

Well, and it shouldn't be.

It shouldn't be, but I thought it would be.

So now I'm in this place of like enormous gratitude.

And I go, no.

Like, in fact, we were just saying this on our trip, like talking with Molly and Erica.

It's like,

wherever you go, there you are.

That saying is true.

Yeah.

But

being in an environment where it's like 136 degrees outside and the wind's blowing sand across your face the whole time versus being somewhere like Hawaii, where it's just very calming and lush around you,

that has to have an impact on you.

Yeah.

Your environment's definitely.

Your environment has a huge impact on you.

So that's part of

money does make you happier and that you can be in an an environment that you're much calmer and happier in.

Yeah.

Money definitely increases happiness.

There is no question about that.

But it is capped.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

It is not, it cannot buy you.

I mean, it can kind of buy you people, but those are not real relationships.

And those aren't ones that are actually fill anyone up.

Have any value.

Yeah.

So at the end of the day,

I believe that's the only thing you really need

is people in love in those relationships.

And money really cannot buy you honest relationships.

You can be awfully miserable with.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you have a basis for that.

Yes.

Of course it makes your life so much easier.

I mean, and

yes and no, because

even like.

Yeah, you have more money and you buy more things and you owe more money and you stress out about that.

And then it's all, it's all relative.

Like,

cause most people aren't smart enough, including me, to have money and then say, I'm just not going to spend it.

I'm just going to buy exactly what I need and let the money abate my fear.

Yes, that's not what we do.

We buy more things and have more things

that cost more money and require you to have more money.

Yeah.

And it's a treadmill.

It's a really fucking awful treadmill.

Anyway, but like when I win the bill,

I think I'll finally feel good.

Will you fly private ever?

No, you know, I don't, I mean, if I had to.

Because you're scared.

I don't want like,

I would, but that's not how I would spend it.

I would definitely spend it on first-class travel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe an Emirates.

That was, that was ideal.

Yeah.

Safety.

I want it for safety.

I know, I know.

But I want, but every, I want everything for safety and it doesn't work.

It does not work.

Right.

You just, you have to, that's why it's crazy.

You have to decide you're safe.

Speaking of which, man's search for meaning.

Man's search for meaning is one of the most popular books.

Heralded books, always on everyone's top five recommendations.

I was positive I read it.

And I'm like, I've forgotten most of it.

I'm going to reread it.

I don't think I've read it.

Oh.

But it is.

It's, I'm just starting, but it's incredible.

Oh.

And yeah, the

here's a man who is a psychologist who was put in

Auschwitz.

Oh my God.

And his like even-sidedness of the experience is so fascinating.

And again, how he finds meaning.

Yeah.

And how you identify yourself.

And

it's talking about how people, since once you got in there, they shaved your head, took all your belongings.

And now, when you're meeting people, you're kind of free to say you were anybody.

Yeah, you could say you were a doctor.

Well, you can actually inflate your previous status.

But I was like, oh, that's a

detail I wouldn't have thought of.

Like, oh, people are like, oh, I kind of can say I'm anybody I want now.

It was interesting.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, as we're talking about a billion dollars, it does

feel crazy.

it feels crazy that there are things happening in the world there are so many starving people

and then there's like a billion dollars someone's gonna get yeah yeah yeah also where does the california lottery money go

to in theory education all of these lottery bills that were passed across the country, really in the 80s, I think.

Go to education.

That was the premise.

But, you know, what percentage goes to education?

Well, in Georgia.

It funded your college.

That's right.

So I feel like I owe the Georgia lottery some money back.

I think they have varying success rates.

Yeah.

Well, it worked there.

I wish they would adopt that here.

Yeah.

The casino proposition hasn't really

bore the fruit they were hoping.

That was also how they sold casinos in states.

It's like it's going to go to education.

Yeah.

And my experience in some of those casinos is like, I think it's more kind of preying on the people who

are most broke already.

And I don't know.

If that's how we get our education, that can't be right.

If that's how we fund it.

Okay.

Do you think if you win, you should give everyone who contributed to the lottery like at least a dollar?

I think logistically that would cost.

probably three dollars for every dollar you distributed

could be costly um I hope I didn't yuck your yum on your pack.

No, I would love you to join the pack.

Okay, what's the buy-in tonight?

We haven't decided yet.

We have until Saturday.

Saturday is the next straw.

Okay.

I would like to go back up.

Well, you know, I'm going to want to go up.

And you're bringing a play.

See, this is going to be tricky because I think now

it's okay.

Well, I'll put in a pile to the pact.

Yeah.

And then I think at this point, people want to do side money.

They can do side money.

Okay.

Everything's on the table.

but there is going to be a certain amount.

My guess is going to be it's a hundred dollars.

If we show up on the next fact, check what outfit should be we be wearing.

Like, are we in superhero outfits?

Are we in pilgrim outfits?

I think we should just have a visual nod that just we don't want to trigger anyone, but if you're watching, looks like they won a billion dollars because they're both in sailor outfits.

Okay, so um, you can pick.

I'd love to go ballerina, great, yeah.

If we're both in full two-two leotard, Onesies.

Singlets.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Londos and Fackies.

Yeah.

Facts for Alicia.

Silverstone.

Yes.

Now, this is sort of a ding, ding, ding to

earlier

because Alicia,

you'd be surprised.

She married someone in a punk band.

Yeah.

And you'd probably be surprised, except not really when you get to know her.

Once you get to know her, also that her best friend is Woody Harrelson's a surprise.

If you're just basing everything on clueless, exactly.

There's a lot of surprises that come your way.

I really liked her.

I enjoyed her a lot.

She was so cool, very self-assured.

Yep.

She's been around for so long, obviously, and you could like feel it.

Yes.

And again, just the gap between who she is and what she got famous for is one of the more enormous gaps I've ever witnessed.

I know.

It's kind of fun.

It's really fun.

Yeah.

I'm trying to think who else I might put in that category.

Oh, I know also

is Handmaids Tale.

Elizabeth Moss.

Elizabeth Moss.

That's so true.

Elizabeth Moss was so fun and playful.

And light.

And every role is like, she is going through it and she feels so dark and tortured.

That's true.

Yeah, that's a

acted motherfucker right there.

Yeah.

Okay, now.

Some facts.

What show was Rob Lowe on when Alicia was on Mismatch?

Because they had to to do press together.

Right.

I found it.

It is

The Lion's Den.

It was in 2003.

Oh, film or show?

Show.

Show.

Was he a lion?

It's L-Y-O-N-S.

Oh.

Okay.

Okay.

She mentioned got milk commercials and it was a real throwback for me because I used to collect those ads.

I know.

And I had

such a good collection.

It's so fun to collect things.

Oh, you really got in my head.

Ding, ding, ding.

So today,

today's episode that's out.

Sorry, not for the listener, go back a couple.

We had Amanda on who wrote the book.

Destroy this house, a memoir.

Yeah.

And she talked about hoarding.

Yes.

So we get into a lot of hoarding and that, which is really wild

and interesting.

Yeah.

And I feel like I'm suffocating as soon as I think about hoarding.

Yeah.

And I think on maybe a fact track after that or something, you said that I'm like,

I could be a hoarder, except that I'm good at giving stuff away.

That's right.

Yeah.

At the rate you collect,

it could easily tip, but you're great at expelling.

So I've been in my head about hoarding a little bit.

Okay.

This is why you gave my daughter an outfit yesterday?

Yeah.

So, well, I've let her borrow some shoes.

I know.

I see it.

Did you see it?

She needed to borrow some shoes.

They're the same size.

Are you guys the same size?

Yeah, that's why she had to borrow.

She wanted to borrow.

Oh, wow.

It's really cute for probably only a very short time.

So she should borrow as much as she can now.

She should.

She should go crazy.

But yeah, I did a huge closet clean out because of the conversation.

Yeah.

And the girls came over.

all the girls and they took stuff and that's always so fun.

Yeah.

And then I had to clean out all my vases.

I started to feel like, oh my God, I do.

I have so much stuff everywhere.

Oh my my God.

And I asked a few people, but most people said they felt like I wasn't a hoarder.

Okay.

So that was good assurance.

Yeah, I don't think you are.

Okay.

Yeah, you're not.

You know, I'm just prone to thinking I might have things.

You're a real dichotomy.

No peer pressure.

Can't be convinced of anything might be fun, but you could be convinced you're a man.

Yes, that's right.

And that you're a hoarder.

A man, a hoarder,

um, real.

Uh-huh.

Like, I don't really know.

It's dichotomy

maybe that's why you're so opposed to pure breast sugar because you know you're a little vulnerable to yeah maybe maybe do you think i could sell my collection of got milk ads for like 40 000 i don't i really don't know i mean people collect some bizarre stuff but i think you might have been one of the few yeah People who had a got milk collection.

I think I actually

very rare.

I collected them too.

Oh,

oh my god maybe it's a millennial thing what was your favorite one i i would just take them out of sports illustrated how many did you have not that many

i had a lot what are the odds i'm sitting with two people who had a gut maybe it's an age thing i think it might be whatever the connective tissue is that makes this whole thing work

like i think if i had to hire anyone new I would be like, first question, did you collect gut milk ads?

And if they said yes, I'd be like, you're hired.

Rob, did you like like hang them or do you have them in a binder i think i had them ripped out in a binder yeah that's how you did it that was the move yeah now please look on ebay and see what like binders of these are running these

like 15 to buy a print one print i could really make some money how many do you have a lot no a lot a hundred I don't remember.

Okay.

Next time I'm home.

Okay, I thought I brought them back, but maybe I didn't.

I have like really cool ones, like a Sarah Michelle Geller.

When you finally move into your house, you're going to have to get a U-Haul and like unload your parents' house.

I know we've talked about that.

I bet you have.

I bet they're like, when are you going to unload something?

They are TikTok ginks.

Are they going to downsize?

No.

They already live in a shop.

They live in a big house.

No, they live in...

Like a 4,000 square foot house.

Oh, my God.

You love square foot footage.

How else are we going to talk about how big a house is?

It's the metric.

They already, they could have gotten a bigger house and never did.

So they're like happy where they are.

Even with their room is on the first floor.

So they, you know, that's key.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're good.

That's why I can't die in this house.

The stairs.

There's a room and there's a guest hat.

There's a million places where you don't have to do that.

You would have to move out of the bedroom.

The master bedroom.

You already said you were going to do that anyway, right?

I was thinking about it.

Yeah.

I haven't yet, though.

Okay, that's a good update.

Okay.

Beverly Hills High Dance Dance Group.

It's called Dance Company.

Okay.

Because she was really close.

Yeah.

Or right.

Okay.

Best music videos of all time.

Top.

100.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

It's my birthday.

Video killed the radio star.

100.

Video killed the radio.

99.

Okay, fine.

I'll do top 10.

Thank you.

You can do top 20.

How's that feel?

Good birthday, Comram.

No, it's like either it's all or nothing.

Top 25.

You could do top 25.

That's a good one.

I'm going to do top 10.

Okay.

Because it's my birthday, but

I like giving gifts to others.

Okay.

Now, this is from Rolling Stone.

I'm going to go 10 to 1.

Okay.

You're going to be mad.

Okay.

But I don't want you to argue.

This is Rolling Stone.

Yeah.

Okay.

Number 10.

Michael Jackson Billie Jean.

Great video.

Number nine.

That's dancing on the

tiles that light up.

Oh, yeah, that is a great video.

Yeah, great.

Number nine, Guns N' Roses, November Rain.

Can't remember it.

Okay.

ZZ Todd better be on here.

Eight, Peter Gabriel Sledgehammer.

Sure, iconic.

The dancing models.

Seven, D'Angelo.

Untitled, How Does It Feel?

He's naked.

Oh, sure.

Yeah, he's got great obliques.

Six, Beastie Boy's Sabotage.

Yeah, incredible.

Directed by

her director.

Oh, Spike Jones?

Spike Jones.

Really?

Yeah.

Great video.

Okay, five is New Order, The Perfect Kiss.

Oh, wow.

I loved New Order, and I don't know that video.

It's not ringing any bells.

Oh.

I got to watch it.

That's part of my homework now.

Ooh.

Great.

Four, Childish Gambino, This Is America.

What a video.

Incredible.

What a video.

Oh, look at him.

Oh, yeah.

So sexy.

Three, Madonna Vogue.

Yes.

You got to have that in there.

Two, Johnny Cash Hurt.

I wouldn't put it there, but I do love that song.

It's a cool video.

Number one, Beyonce Formation.

Okay, you're mad.

I know.

I already know you're mad.

I told you you'd be mad.

I just can't believe thrillers not.

I know.

You're upset about that.

I think that thing had a budget bigger than a Hollywood movie.

Let me look to see where it is.

It's got to be on here somewhere.

11 is George Michael Freedom.

Yeah, that's that's big.

That has the supermodels in it.

Yeah.

Beyond that.

There's a theme here.

You put supermodels in your video, and that's going to make Nirvana.

White stripes.

Ooh.

That's my current obsession right now.

I'm so obsessed with Jack White, I can't stop.

I'm reading about him non-stop.

I really want to have him on.

Okay, Kiss is on here.

Duh, 18, though.

You're not going to, I'm not, I'm at 20.

That's crazy.

Ooh, 99 problems, 23.

That's a classic.

Okay.

25.

Oh, my God.

Something's wrong here.

They forgot about it.

California Love.

Yeah.

Great one.

Or maybe they're protesting Michael Jackson.

Maybe.

Ah.

Yeah, maybe they felt dicey.

Daily Jean was 10.

At 10.

But maybe they felt dicey about putting him at number one.

Well, but they would still include him in.

Like, no one's going to put The Cosby Show as the top five comedy of all time.

And it is.

It is, yeah.

A thousand percent.

We would never make a top 10.

No, but it is sick coms of all time.

Well, he made the top 10, so we can't say that.

It just didn't.

They picked Billie Jean.

Oh, Britney Spears Baby one more time.

That should be five.

30.

All right.

Well, I'm sorry to tell you.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that's really something.

Write in the comments if you think that if you're outraged by that.

Okay.

When did Liv Tyler find out Stephen Tyler was her dad?

Great question.

She was 11.

Okay.

At an Aerosmith concert in August 1988.

Okay.

Her mother brought her to the show and revealed the truth, which Liv had suspected after noticing her resemblance to Stephen.

She confirmed the paternity through a test around age 11 or 12 and publicly changed her surname to Tyler when she was 11 or 12 as well.

Yeah.

So I had it pretty right.

Yeah.

Floppy trunk syndrome.

Very bad.

Very bad.

It just feels so synonymous with erectile disease.

I know, but it's not.

It's a condition affecting African elephants where their trunks become paralyzed or severely weakened, hindering their ability to eat, drink, and communicate.

That's really sad.

I know.

There's some weird fact about how many muscles they have in their trunk, and it's an

insane amount.

40,000.

40,000 muscles in that trunk.

It says this makes it one of the most muscular structures in the animal kingdom.

Yeah, crazy.

I love elephants.

I love them the most.

No, I love them the most.

Okay.

I love them second most.

You can't love them the most because you love primates the most.

I'm always teaching you about most.

I know.

Man.

And best.

Yeah.

Okay.

I do want to say

people are going to notice this probably and like, don't comment.

She said Mary J.

Blythe.

I kept it because it was normally that's something I would cut because she didn't mean to say that.

She meant to say Mary J.

Blige.

Yeah.

But it was uncuttable because it was important for the story.

And

for me, I was like, it's just telling because she sounds like, I don't know anyone.

And the whole point is that she didn't know Mary Jay.

She was talking about the animals.

And so it was actually in keeping with her sweetness.

Yes.

But it is Mary J.

Blige.

Yeah.

When did Marvel start?

And when was that in the timeline of the Batman movie?

So Iron Man

2008 can claim the banner as the first of the Marvel cinematic universe.

2008.

Yeah.

Uh, Batman was uh 97.

Um, all right, that's it.

All right, love you.

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