Alexei Toliopoulos meets Peter Jackson, Sir Richard Taylor, David Wenham & David Wenham

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with Paul F. Tompkins and Alexei Toliopoulos.
And our other grousehouse series,

Finding Rocco, in which he and Cameron James tried to

find Rocco and his modern life.

Can you send him straight real quick?

It's called Finding Yeezys. Yes.
And it was about looking for Kanye podcasts. Sanity.
Oh, the podcast. Oh, yeah, right.
Finding Rocco is the series. No, no, no, no.
You might

also know. Alexey, do you want to set him straight? I'd love to set this guy straight.
Am I allowed to take it to? Am I allowed to speak? Can I just do one more thing? You might also know, Zach.

I mean, you might also know Zach.

I refused for classification

the show of David and Margaret that stored. Oh, Margaret and David.
Come on. She gets first billing.
That toured Australia in 2025 to roaring reviews

from Lions. Roaring review?

A roaring review from a lion. Roar.
Roar.

I want to just out of their bones.

and I explained to Alexi, Alexi was like, Oh man, I think they just saw two big, big, big meat boys.

That's why they were roaring. I said, It doesn't matter, you just post about it.
Did you hear?

Did you hear? Yeah, just you just get the job.

They don't know that they're lions.

The audience doesn't know that they're lions. They don't know the stars were attributed to MGM himself, the roaring lion.
You can say raw reviews. Yeah,

raw reviews. But wait, did you see the lions review of Taxi Driver? What did he say? He said, Raw.
Wow. How many roars?

Oh, no, he just kind of wore and then paced up and down along the glass fence. Yeah, it was before a numbered

day. They tried to introduce the Star Us system with the lion, but he couldn't figure it out.
So it's just whether how much he paces.

It's an art, not a science. Oh, beautiful, I guess.
How much did he pace? How many roars did he do?

He tear the flesh from the elk's bones with nothing but his teeth. At feeding time.
Yes, he he did.

At feeding time, yeah, they brought in some lamb legs and him and the other lion, two young, like, juvenile males. Yeah, they try, they do.
I don't exactly understand it.

It's very complicated, but they do take into account

how tasty the meat of the performers are. Oh, wonderful.
So they're just like, with you and I on this. This with our nice marbled flesh, I'm sure that lion was giddy.
That's crawling.

Zach would, everything Zach's saying is speculative, though. Like, he's just looking at lions at the zoo and going,

wonder wonder how they would, if they were reviewers, would they, you know? Would they raw. No, no, this is a thing.

Where are you getting this information? I think they've been doing in the Sun Herald

since 04.

They discontinued it, but yeah, no, they definitely. They brought it back for comedy festival season this year.
Lee Patch is a

lion. Lee Patch

is a lion. Okay, please welcome

Alexi Koliopoulos. Wow, thank you so much.
Welcome back for me. I'm a welcome back into the heart of the Anti-Donna podcast.
And

have you got stuff on? Oh, always. I'm one of the busiest boys in the biz right now.
Busiest boys in the biz. What makes you busy? I'm moving, I'm dealing, and often I'm wheeling.

I imagine watching a lot of movies. I'm watching a lot of films.

How many people find the time? Being such a busy, because I'm a busy boy. Sure.
I like films. I don't love films like you do.
I like films. I'm a busy boy.
I never find the time to watch films.

How do you find the time? Well, when you do what you love, it takes precedent in your life, and other things fall to the side. Such as

health. I don't look after my health that much.
Right, right. You know, I live quite an interior life.
I'm sitting down, often in,

you know, not ideal conditions, such as my apartment that has black mold every now and then, especially during the colder climates. Nice.

Now we see

a cardigan there. Oh, wow, now, wow.
Well, also, I mean, let's address the fact that Zach was so excited to have you that he dressed up for the occasion.

He even put on a tie. Zach has put on a tie for the occasion.
And Zach, I'm so happy to see that you've worn a tie for me. And you know, I don't like ties.
I know he doesn't like ties.

Scrinch up on my neck. For clarity, though, like for anyone listening, I don't want to...
I didn't think he'd be getting into any...

fancy dinner restaurants with this.

You ain't getting into the magic castle.

It's a comical Christmas tie on an elastic strap. Yeah, I found it

on the table here. Oh, he almost called the table a shelf.
Ah!

Well, you know, it is the season.

What is a shelf for an elf? You know, that's a table for an answer.

That's a Christmas elf on the shelf.

Kids are saying that people are buying elves for their kids. They're putting them out at Christmas.

And that is like a system where the elf is watching.

The elf is watching the whole time. So we're at the top of the hour now.
We're going to go to the news.

And and when we come back, a little bit more movie news from our resident movie expert, Alexi Toliopoulos.

Welcome back with Alexi. Now you...
Great to be here, guys. You are the go-to for movies.
You are the movie guy. Yeah, yeah.

Would you say that you've...

Are you feeling that? Are you feeling what Margaret and David had? That you've stolen that from them, that you have become,

you have sucked in their spirits and their souls

and you have taken that for this country? I would say, yes, I have. Over a period of time, I did slurp up their soul, their essence, their being, and now I've incorporated it into my own beings.

Okay, maybe you can help us. We've had a bit of a debate here at the station.
Now, Mark loves Marvel movies. Broden loves DC movies.

And I'm a bit more artsy. I'm a bit more fancy.
What are are the kind of movies you like, Zach? I've got a lot of A24, which is a little studio you might never have heard of.

Tell us, what do you think? Marvel DC, what do you think in that?

Settle the bet. Settle the bet once and for all.

And we're talking about where those franchises are right now.

Not where they could be in a couple of years, all right? Well, I mean, where they are right now, I have only seen 24 minutes of the new Fantastic Four. So that is why.

I was invited to a preview event that showed 24 minutes of clips from Fantastic Four. Sorry.
Yeah, Pedro Pascal was in attendance. Drop the commercial radio bit for a second.

What do you mean? Why? Well, I was invited to an event that was called the launch event for Fantastic Four. And Pedro Pascal was there, who's the star of Fantastic Four.

Vanessa Kirby was there, who's the star of Fantastic Four. He's a daddy.

Yeah, he's the first daddy of the MCU, I would say.

Yeah. Vanessa Kirby from the Crown.
And she's mother. She's the first mother of the MCU, I would say.
Daddy and mother. Yes.

And Eben Moss Bachrach was there, who's, of course, the first cousin of the MCU.

And he plays the thing, the thing. A rock-hard man.
A rock-hard man who believes every now and then the time strikes clobberin. And so he's sort of taken what started as a fringe dramedy.

in the in the Cookman, the bear. Cookman.

And girls before that. Oh, okay.

girl. He famously was a guy that ate Manny's ass.
Yes, but it was a fake ass. It wasn't a fake ass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a whole thing about how it's a full prosthetic.

Anytime you see dong, especially on HBO, it's usually a fake. So you're telling me

fake asses, fake

Punani. So you're telling me the guy from Fantastic Core, the Big Rock Man,

was in Cookboy and Girls of New York. And I,

and played John Quincy Adams in the John Adams HBO series, Paul Giumati's John Adams. Oh, I love that.
Directed by the director of Cats. That's right.

Tom Middlesmich or whatever his name is. Tom Middlesmich.

Thomas Middlesmich. Alright, now what's your favorite?

Tell us. Why did you see 24 minutes of this fucking game? I was invited and I assumed it was a premiere event because I had the cast and there was like a big blue carpet as that is the costume.

Fantastic 40 blue. So the

dyed colour red carpet, a colour to match the aesthetic of the film. And it was a big event.
Many stars were there. Maybe it was a custom die.
I think it would have been a custom die jump.

It was a big deal. It's a Marvel we're talking about.
They have the Monet. Yes.
I'm going to get back into this commercial radio riff that I've decided we're doing. Okay.
All right, here we go.

All right, that's so funny, Alexi. Must have been very awkward.
We're going to listen to Pig Pony Club now. Very fun song.
We've got it at double speed with a beat behind it.

And then when we're back, we're going to ask Alexi what his favorite movie is. Okay, we're back.
favorite movie Alexi

I just really want to know how you watch 24 minutes of clips like whole scenes were there trailers why were there credits why they uh did they cut in between and go that was a clip and now here's the next clip no at this moment we are seeing daddy uh with his stretchy arm like what were they trying not to give away The plot?

Were they? No, no, because you did. I learned what the plot was from the 24 minutes of clips.

The plot was essentially the silver surfer comes and she's like, I'm a herald from another universe that there will be stuff that will come destroy you guys.

That's interesting for me.

A villain from another universe comes in and sort of just fucks shit up. Yeah, but he's big.
He's really tall. He's like really big.
But I didn't see

like Thanos is tall. Yeah, but

this cunt is tall. He's like Godzilla style tall.
He's big. He's very big.
I'm going to give you a bucket of fucking big. He's human.

He's played by

Ricky Gervase's mate in the office. Yeah.
Stephen Merchant. No, no, no, no, though.
The mean one that comes in.

The deep voice. Yeah.
It's got a long nose.

Have you seen The Vitch? The Vivich. The Vivich.
The Vivich. The Vivich.
The Vivich.

Have you seen The Green Knights with Dev Patel? No. Have you seen it?

Have you seen The Office with Ricky Gervais?

You know, the guy with the really deep voice and the northern accent. No, sorry, no professionals that go with the bike.
No.

No.

Just fucking forget it. I'm sorry.
It's all sorry i'm sorry it's all right you know what you watch a movie you can't tell it's him i had no idea

he's big in the guy's probably tall in real life but he's very tall he's not as tall he's not as tall as he is in the movie do you think he's no not as tall as he is in the movie because it would be using probably a similar style of technology that peter jackson pioneered on the hobbit movie when we talked about this we actually had on this podcast not only peter jackson was on this show wow peter jackson i didn't know pj did the show would you like to meet him i'd love to meet pj but then also that i think you'd you'd also love to meet when you talk about miniatures in film.

I think there's someone you might want to meet. Oh, my gosh.
Has he been knighted?

Hello. Can you introduce Peter, please?

Because I'm going to become him. All right.

Alexi, I'd like to introduce you to a very close friend on the podwast. Wow.
Peter Jackson. Alexi, lovely to see you.
How are you? Oh, Peter. Now,

how am I great? I've been a huge fan of you since day dot. Well, I think you'll be surprised to know that actually I'm familiar with your work as well.

Because we've seen a fair bit of the things you put online and the internet.

Oh my gosh, Peavy parents. I spent a lot of time at home watching things and sort of just ruminating on ideas.

Like, for example, They Shall Not Grow Old, which was footage, found footage from World War I. Yes.
A beautiful film, Pee, though. Thank you so much.

Well, it was just a lot of time sitting in studios looking at footage of these young men sent off. Yes.
And getting that at the right frame rate, getting that because

it was a rolling the camera. You had to roll it.
And so getting that matched perfectly, getting those colours exactly right was a pursuit of mine. And much like you talking about movies that you love.

It's a path,

it's a shared love, but also miniatures, I hear. Miniatures?

Oh my god. Hello.
Hello. You know who's me? Yeah.
Sir Richard Taylor. Sir Richard Taylor, Sir Richard Taylor, features of the Lord of the Rings series.

I'm here to tell you all about miniatures and making armor and all those sorts of things that I've done with my friend Peter.

Friends are loaded where they're because we've had moments of tension between us in the world. Well obviously I run the workshop and he runs digital.

We're both wet out and we're both on the boards but he's more digital and I'm more workshop.

Wow.

You like miniatures. I love miniatures but I also realized a term that you invented.

What do you want me to call you sir? Yes I am Sir Richard Taylor. Sir Richard Taylor.
And I invented the term bugaches.

That's what I was going to say, invented the term bigoters because your miniatures were so big that they could not be fathomably seen as miniatures.

I will say though that I didn't invent the term buggatures. That was an intern in the office.
I wanted to call them medium chasers.

Because it was a medium size. They're halfway to a miniature.
Halfway between a normal. Yeah.

But a bigature is a normal thing. So Richard, that's just been just normal.
You just say a thing is a normal size. You don't have to put into context that it's bigger or smaller than it should be.

Famous squabbles.

They're famous scobbles. I do have one question.
What's the smallest bigoture you've ever made? The smallest bugature I ever made was a miniature. Ah, very good.

Very good. When does it cross over, Sir Richard Taylor? When does it go from

one to the other? Because I wonder. When it goes

one to twenty-four would be a miniature. One to three is a buggature.
And is that when you're... The cross over line is around one to five.

Is that when you're able to speak to it through the astral plane?

Close your eyes when it crosses over. Ah, sure.

Oh.

Oh, what's wrong with you?

Are you a bit upset because you made the Fab 4 a bit smooth in Get Back? No, it's not that at all. Oh, okay.
Though I did work, that was fan. I couldn't believe when I found that footage, Mark.
Yeah.

Seeing before my eyes, I didn't know I had it there, but Get Back being written in the moment. Yeah.

As Paul comes in early, John Lennon late with Yoko Ono. Yeah.

Just starts to fiddle away on the guitar and you realise that you're seeing Get Back a song that's lived decades and decades in people's life. That's Paul as Paul.
That's what I said.

Oh, I know they said John together. They're collaborators, collaborators, you know.
Just coming together in front of you, but I'm a bit sad. Why are you so sad? Oh, why are Peter?

Well, everyone's calling Sir Richard Sir Richard, but I'm also Nighted too. Yeah, United.
Yeah, but you know, you've received an ANZ and a KNZM.

KNZM? Kings, Nature Zealand's medal. Sounds like a video format.
And what were you going to say? Well, I saw it up in KNZ.KNZ. I'm going to remuck it because it's in.KNZ.

I was going to say, Peter, you know, it felt more apparent to call Sir Richard Sir Richard because he's here with his chain mail on. He's got his...
That's true.

He's dressed like a traditional knight. He's dressed like a traditional knight.
I'm not traditional. I'm dressed like the Urukai before they were turned into Urakai.
This is the thing.

We wanted a rich history to be seen in our armour. He's ready to have, you know, Saruman's hands withered in paint and smeared across his head.

But, you know, you're hearing, I might just say, cargo shorts, a slobby kind of polo with a few little grease marks on it.

Chicken. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's your traditional grease.

I'd be sitting in a dark room looking at old footage. Yeah, I don't know.
And sometimes I'd turn the light and go, oh, geez, huh, my lunch is on my shirt. Yeah, yeah.

But they'll say, I wanted to come in today dressed as Riders of Rohan, and thank goodness I didn't, because we'd look quite the picture. Wouldn't they? Yeah.

He's got the. I'd be like, why aren't these guys worried?

You have Hobbiton in your backyard. Well, to an extent, yeah,

yeah. He said to me, he said, New Zealand.
Richard, I know you've built Bag In, could you put it in my backyard after we finish the trilogy? I said, yes, I'd be happy to, Peter. You're a good friend.

A bit of a backyard blitz, kind of removing that. You saw Jamie Dewey, yes.
Have you seen the original footage of that? Oh, the original footage of Jamie Dewey.

Yeah, yeah, from War when he was in his backyard. He was a magic mic.
Our backyards, they show up in absolutely in ruins. Yeah, it's true.
But he works with his team of...

of people in skimpy shorts. Yeah, did he help make Hobbitson and the Shire? What? No, not to mine.
It was a team that we used mainly in New Zealand.

That we worked on the art department. Wonderful team over there who worked.

We shot in South Island, we shot in North Island, but a lot of the actors moved over. Don't ask him about when they tried to unionise, though.
It makes him cry.

Oh, don't even mention the unions to me.

Jenny Jiri used to be a stripper. Just like he'd be a bitch.
He was a part of manpower. What about that? He was part of manpower.
Yeah, manpower, manpower.

That was keeping the women of the 90s just hot and horny. Exactly.
To see a man as that, of that beauty, of that caliber,

to be stripped down to his bare essentials. He was on Oprah.
He was on Oprah.

Alexa, you like films, I've been told. I love films, Sir Richard.
We make them. You make many of my films.
I don't make the films. I make the miniatures and the armour and that sort of thing.

Do you know the man that makes the swords?

I hired the man that makes the swords. I've met the man that makes the swords.
I know. I've met the man that makes the world sing.
Did you see all the kinds of songs that make the world sing?

Did you see all the little toys in my office? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you see the miniature? Do you know those miniatures? Or are those toys? No, they're just toys.

Did you see the guest book? Did you see who got a tour? Did you notice that John Masseter, I believe he was just kind of confronted at Pixar. He was on a holiday.

He said, I'm between jobs at the moment. Can I have a tour? I'm sure he gave a few hugs to the people around the office there that day.
No, Music. He wasn't hugging at all.

No, no, he was just sitting at a desk next to young Imday. Did you notice Sir Richard Taylor likes to yell? But he doesn't even know he's yelling.

You know, he's got no control of the moment in his voice. He's not now.
Yeah, or you're talking quite loud. No control.
I just thought I'd be able to do that.

He doesn't yell this much in real life, but I thought it would be a good contrast to Peter, who is whispering more than he is.

Peter is a lot more chill, and I thought he's got a yelling energy. But when are you going to be in a room with people like us again? I know you've interviewed David Wynham for your podcast.

Yes, Farami himself. But when are you going to get the chance again to talk to two people who are more prolific in filmmaking? Then you've got a window.
Oh, this is exciting.

I made the bones from Lovely Bones. I was going to say, Lovely Bones was an interesting movie.
Stanley Tucci played a pedophile. Tucci, we love Tucci.
He's earned the Oscar nomination to this date.

He's supposed to be a transformative performance.

He can play the side, the second in charge to The Devil Wears Proud. I hope he's in the sequel.

Well, yes, Patrick Brammel's in that. Oh, really? It's very exciting.
Patrick Brammel is sort of bull up.

Yeah. Yeah.

I was an album. I had a five photos.
It fucked me up. Would you like to meet David Wenham? Oh, I've met David Wenham.
Would you like to have him since?

Did you know that a quantum experiment split him in half? Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's several David Wenham songs.
I'd love to meet one of the David Wenhams.

Would you like to meet one or two?

Let's meet a couple of David Wenhams. Well, yeah, because they come in pairs now.
Yeah, I'd love to meet the podcast.

Well, let me introduce you to David Wenham and David Wenham. Oh, Alexi, it's good to see you again.
Hello, Alexi. Wow, David.
Who is David Wenham? Wow, David.

What's your favourite number, David Wenhams?

That's got to be.

Maybe just how many Spartans? Maybe how many Spartans? Good squares. Good Spartans, though.
How many Spartans?

300. 300.

So I was setting you up for that.

That was also in the sequel as well. 302.
Yeah, yeah.

302. Yeah, yeah.
Staring the girl from the lady.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think that David Wenhams isn't quite setting Alexi.

Hello.

Lloyd,

what's your name again? My name's Lex. Oh, Lex.
I'm rebranding director.

Oh, yes.

What did you think of David Corrin Sweat and Jason?

I have not seen the new Superman. So I would say from pictures,

he looks wonderful. And for someone who likes movies, you certainly haven't seen the hottest hit of the winter.

On this side of the hemisphere.

Or which is where you live. It's a fascinating little story because it's about a man.
It's It's about an alien who flies through the skylands in sort of rural United States of America.

He's raised by middle America. Yeah, that's wonderful.
In a ranch, they raised him in a farmhouse and stuff, right? Yes, correct, yes. Yeah, it's a very anti-American story.
Really?

But he's the pinnacle of America. He's Superman.

Oh, this one's quite woke. He sort of saves people.
Yeah, and how do you feel about it going woke?

He just looks after people. Yeah, but Moy cares more about rodents than he does people in this one.
He saves a lot of lives and sort of is a nice man for two hours.

Yeah, he's looking after the rodents. I'll tell you what he's doing.
Wow, fair enough. So it sort of tries to keep a strong moral core and a simple moral core in complicated times.
Very woke.

What is your favourite movie? My favourite movie of yours, gosh, probably

Desolation of Smaug, The Hobbit 2.

Wow, really? Really?

Really? I'm somewhat being somewhat humorous, Peter, but because it's a movie I've wanted to talk to you about, I I guess. I wish that movie, did you notice anything different?

Did it feel different to other movies visually? When I was watching this movie, I go, this is truer to life. It's almost as if the director found a way to make

it. I'm going to come.
I'm just so excited to tell you how I did that. Usually I'm watching movies and I go, this I'm only feeling like maybe every second I'm feeling

24 frames of truth here.

And while I'm watching

the hobbit, the Desolation was smelling, I go, this is double the amount of truth per second that I'm seeing right now.

Listen, firstly, first thing I'll say, did you like the song by Ed Shirino? I see fire in the bag. I see fire.
Love that. And I love the

Neil Finn song that also appeared in the other house.

He's from New Zealand. He is from New Zealand.
He's part of the band Crowded House and Split Ends.

Well, Tim Finn is split ends.

Is Neil Finn split in the family? Neil Finn joined the band at a later juncture, yes. Yeah, formerly.

So they moved to Australia and started Crowded House actually about the house they lived in in Los Angeles writing the albums. Because there would have been so many fellas in that house.
right?

It's probably where they got their name from.

Not enough bigoters.

Oh, we've gone through this before, Sir Richard Taylor. There's only so many bigotures and miniatures you can put in a film.

Well, if you planned it a bit better, I could have built a couple more bigots for you. Yeah.
At what point does it become too big for you?

Because then it just becomes a prop. Yeah.
That'd be one for one.

One for one. But if it's one, if it's too one,

that's still a bigoture. Yeah, but a very bug buggacher.
Big buggacher. That's a big bigoture.

How did you guys do the coins that Smorg sits on? Because they do look kind of when they're all bunched up together like that, they look quite comfortable.

And I've, you know, I've sat on a coin or two in my time, often in my pocket or my wallets.

And I've noticed that sometimes they can be quite uncomfortable when they kind of bunch up together.

But when you see Smilg, he's lazing quite carefree on them. As is

the duck, the cartoon duck. Scrooge.
Scrooge, the duck. Did you use the same kind of sets that Scrooge McDuck.
As it talked about when Scrooge McDuck dives into a pool of darkness?

He dives into those coins as if it was nothing but a humble swimming pool. Yeah, because

the truth would not happen.

Scrooge McDuck's lucky to survive that dive. It would be dense, I imagine.

I can imagine soil, yeah. The amount of coinage that he has, not dissimilar to your friend Smaug.

Smaug is my friend, yes,

that would be equivalent to like, for us,

like a big pool with the amount of atoms, like each atom kind of making up a little bit of water and stuff.

He would be so rich that there would be the same effect as that many atoms coming together to form a waterfall pool. If either of us went to the bank right now

and said, we'll get out all our money in coins, we would probably have that many coins both between us. Not $2 coins, though.
You'd have to go 50 cents. But they're quite big.

They're probably too big.

He's very rich.

He's very, very rich. I'd probably need 50 cent coins.
He produced Mortal Engines after all. I think he could do it $2.

You produced Mortal Engines. And you wrote the screenplay with Philippa and Fran.
Yes, we sat down and wrote it together. Yeah, and it's based on big,

they're quite big too, those towns. The towns.
Well, we built the towns. They're on windows.
And they scanned the towns.

Ben Fleck directed that film. He had nothing to do with it.
What? Nothing to do with that film. You're confused.
No, I'm not confused at all.

Ben Fleck didn't direct it, I believe it was a protege of it. He directed it.
It is a story of. You're thinking of that town.
This is about the towns on worlds. Oh, I'm so sorry about that.

Completely. I thought you were talking about the bank robber film.
Remember, you made me make a big wheel to be scanned by Weta Digital. I remember like it was yesterday.

And that's South Africa there down. We have a question for you, Peter Jackson.

When you were watching Benedict Cumberbatch perform as Smaug in that costume,

was there ever a moment where you went, it's a bit much? No, I thought this was going to be, I love the commitment he's doing to that, but also, you know, Richard Boone played him as well.

What? What? Richard Boone playing Benedict Cumberbatch? Yes, actor Richard Boone. He played Smaug as well.
He played him in 19, well, he was born in 1917 and died in 1981. Richard Boone.

Under cartoon. In the cartoon, Richard Boone from the cartoon.
Richard Boone from the cardinal. Richard Boone from the cartoon.
From the cartoon The Hobbit cartoon movie. Yeah.

The Hobbit and Animated Adventure. Which has a couple of...
live action shots in it, I think. I think it's Rotoscoped.
Yeah, yeah, but then... Is it Rotoscoped or am I thinking about the one that's

am i thinking about the back she lord of the ring

of a scanner i think maybe

i'm thinking of the lord of the ring you're thinking of lord of the ring the

yeah yeah and you're thinking about richard linklet as a scanner dark kid

i was thinking with smorgas what if i went back in 10 years time and just picked up again see where smorg's at now and then i'd do it again and again put it put it all together and what about another 10 years previously and you go well what was he doing 10 years before the hobbit i thought i could just do the first film where we're seeing a character grow in front of us.

My question, Peter, is would you be able to show that kind of restraint and do it in one film? Or must it be an Epic 3?

Well, that's why I'm keeping it under wraps now, but you've obviously seen the first one, Desolation, Edition, Resmog. Yeah.

But I think I'd like to turn this into a Richard Linklate-type brotherhood situation. Oh, yeah.

Brotherhood. It's actually called Boyhoods.
In Australia, I don't know what they call it in New Zealand. It could be called Brotherhood.

Well, I think

it's about a boy. Yeah, he's got a sister, and it's not like they have a brotherhood between his father.
That's right. I've not seen it.
I've not seen it at all. Well, you would love it, I think.

You know, it's um well, how do they do it? How do they make him get old so quick? Well, they use the real passage of time. Yeah, they use time itself.

Yeah, you could say it was co-directed by time itself. By time itself, yeah.
Not really.

They just shot it over a long period of time. A nicer review could say something like that, kind of something a bit poetic.

I think most films are also, if that's the case, all films are directed by time itself as well, because no film is shot not in time, not to this extent, except for Understellar. Well, that is true.

That is timeless.

I like

it. We have a very big film question for you.
What is the opposite of a bookcase? The opposite of a bookcase. Yeah.
Wow.

We've thrown some stuff out there because if we were to. Here are some options.
Here are some options. Because what we were trying to think about.

Thank you, because that first question was really open-ended. I had actually no idea what someone else had to go.
It's specific. Yeah, I forgot who I was here with.

I forgot what characters you guys are playing. So we were trying to think about.

Oh, hey, thank you, Peter. I'll just kick pull you, Pete.
If one

of Interstellar was the complete opposite. Yeah.
So, when he goes into the

back of the book, the Tesseract or whatever,

whatever Tesseract, I believe that's from the MCU.

And this version of Interstellar,

is he old and she's still young? I'll look up. I just remembered that I wasn't part of this.
Zach was. So I turned that into a question.
Carry on. Yeah, right.

But when he goes into the bookcase, it's the opposite. So one thing we all agreed on is that there's lots of gravity on there.
Oh, yeah. So he can barely move off the ground.

But what is it that he's trying to see?

Now we thought maybe a gun rack because if books bring knowledge and guns maybe bring death, which I guess is sort of once you're dead, you can no longer absorb knowledge

new or maybe

or yeah, one big book with small bookcases in it was another thought. Not really the opposite to me, more just like a sort of abstract version of a bookcase.
Could I pitch it? No, I agree with you.

Yes. That's just a big brain sentence.
Yeah. Have a think.
Have a think. I would say this.
I'm actually sickened by this question. Why? I feel ill the way that you phrase it.

It's overwhelming. I'm starting to reconsider life.
I become metaphysical thinking about this. That's a strange reaction.

I feel overwhelmed by this question. Okay.
Well, I could give an answer. I can't even think it humorously.

I feel stranged by it. I'll give an answer and you can see what you think of it.
Yes. So I'm thinking, what's the opposite of books? Beer.

In what way? Books beer. In the way that when you read a book, you get sharper.
When you drink a beer, you get looser. Great.
What's the opposite of a shelf? A loose collection of things.

So I would propose that he is communicating to his daughter through a loose collection of beers. A plethora of beers.
So maybe in Markov. Some cans of beer strewn across the floor.

What about like in an eski or something? No, that's still a strewn. Still too tuned in.

Yeah. Too close to the shelf.
Okay. Loose beers across the floor.
You have to loose them. So the beers wobble.
What on earth are you all talking about? The opposite of my cellar.

I don't think anyone's interested. I think they'd prefer.
I'd prefer to have my nose nose. You'd prefer to do it in CG.
Oh,

how easily

you can easily get it. You feeling betrayed that you've been doing more CG and less practical stuff.
Well, I just want to creatively stretch and move and be able to evolve.

And the things CG can do today, I think you're going to test that, Alexi Dolyopoulos. Yeah, I guess so.
CG does some wonderful stuff, computer-generated imagery. I think it's wonderful.

But I'm much, Peter, I'll say this. I actually do think that

Sir Richard has a point. There is a magic in seeing the physical touch.

For one's mind's eye, as they watch a film, an interpreted film, there is an element of seeing something that is really there, even if it does not look completely real and authentic, but to see it there, it does be interpreted to truth for the people.

Can we agree? Sometimes they just look like small things.

Sometimes they can look like small things. Yeah, they can't see it at the wrong wrong frame rate.
Yeah, am I right?

If you were to go to, you know, muck around frame rates, then perhaps, yeah, maybe it could do that. But I'll tell you this.
I offered to him, I offered to him I'd make him some bigoture Fab 4.

How big are the Fab 4? I'd make the Beatles at 1-3. No, I had no interest in it.
1-3.

Yeah.

I had no interest because of Taurus. My film was entirely found footage.
Yeah. That's what you kept saying.
Found footage.

I said, just let me make them. See, you don't have to use them.

I I said, don't shoot them. You can just keep them nearby.
I said, don't shoot.

I said, if I see one large John Lennon or Paul McCartney or any of the others, for that matter. How many points of articulation on these 1-3-Fab4? Do they need articulation or are they a statue?

Well, I'm asking. It depends, doesn't it? Because if he just wants to scan it,

we could just do them standing still. But we made a ringo.
I never told him this. We made a ringo.
No, I told you. I warned you.
We made a Ringo, we did a bit of 3D.

Just pissing away that R ⁇ D budget behind your back.

Let's tell him about

his rival war museum. Oh, we made rival war exhibitions.

You guys make rival war exhibitions. Yes.

I don't have a fascination with the young men sent off.

What was that?

Did you have family?

Yeah, the Anzacs. I did bug.
So you know how you make a mini? I did big soldiers. How big are the soldiers? Oh, sort of three times the size of a man.
So like maybe fucking big men. Wow.

That's like eight niggas or something. So it's like Gallopolo.
Big. But big.
Not that big. No, that's the point.
It was like...

And I wanted to call them bigotions. And I said, this is why you don't...
Why we shouldn't have called medium chips. The rich chips.

They were never that big to begin with. Well, that's the point.
You walk in and you go, oh, look how small I am compared to this boy on the beaches of Gallopolo. But he was never that big.

There'd be people walking in, waltzing in in Wellington to the exhibition and saying, well, I didn't realise those young boys were that big.

Because against the Turks from Gallipoli.

The Turks in Gallipoli saw them coming, they would have run for the hills. You're getting all excited over nothing made.

Think of the Turks. As they're coming into Gallipoli, you said gigantic men.
They would have run for the hills.

History would have worked out very differently. That's right.
Do you know what it's like?

You open up a Gallipoli exhibition on one end of Wellington. It's not a big city.
And then you find out on the other end of Wellington, there's another World War I exhibition by all soldiers.

Did you not talk about this? I don't know the full story, guys, but I just don't have rival exhibitions. Surely you guys did it come from a disagreement about how big the soldiers should be? Well,

I can assume we can gather

two-hour play

about

these two titans of New Zealand industry. We really think I'm an idiot because you think, I think, that all the boys in

were three times as tall as normal people. But you're the idiot because you don't know that I realise that.
I'm doing it for artistic reasons.

We could have joined forces to tell people about the young boys climbing the beaches of Gallipoli, but instead you were big this, little that. We did make a miniature ball.

So they were normal size in your exhibition. So you mean miniature? And they were tall when they had a bigoture fellas on the bottom.
Not a bigotry because that's a medium chair.

Let me be honest.

To show the true scale of things like Gallipoli, some things were smaller, yes. Right.
But there's pictures and such. So that wouldn't have confused people.
Not at all. I don't think that's.

And I would argue that the worry of you guys joining forces, had you, is that to meet in the middle, everything just would have been normal. Which is way too big.
Which is too big, yes.

To show the whole of Gallipoli in a museum is too big.

But the size of Gallipoli, the only place that would fit that is Gallipoli. Gallipoli itself.
And then it would have to go on top of it,

which would crush it. Or something the size of Gallipoli.
Oh, sure, yes. You'd have to do it as an outdoor.
So we had a miniature Gallipoli. Sorry, Alexi.
But boys. I think it's beautiful.

You've gotten quite a bit of a drink. Sorry, Alexi, do you have any thoughts? I'm sorry.
No, but I love to joke out of it. You guys talk.

It's, you know, sometimes I love to be an observer, observer of times. Alexi.
Yeah. Speaking of movies.
Yeah. Have you seen War of the World starring Ice Cube?

I watched a clip from it this morning. I watched a clip from it this morning.
Ice Cube, one of my favorite actors. Incredible.
Love Ice Cube, Doughboy himself from Boys in the Hood.

Just a little mention.

that we should all watch that film for you. I will hopefully have watched it by the time this comes out.
I've watched it three times. You've watched it three times.
I really will have it.

Is the Amazon delivery as amazing in the context of the film as the scene itself? Phenomenal. I did see it.

And they save it. They save it? They save the world through it.
No, they save the Amazon delivery scene for a little later on in the middle.

It's locked in its

office. Peter, I think you'd love it.
Miniature man.

Sir Richard. Sir Richard Taylor, that's his superhero.
Sir Taylor, yeah, Sir Richard Taylor. I make miniatures and bigotries.
I think you would love the size. I think of Ant-Man.

Peter, what do you think of Ant-Man? What do you think of Ant-Man? Fucked. Because they would.
Fuck! Yeah.

What did you think of Ant-Man? Because of the miniatures and bigotries. And miniatures and bigotry.
He himself can go from miniature to bigoture.

I think you've fundamentally misunderstood what I like about miniatures. Really? So I think you think that I like little things

as rep because Ant-Man is about miniature things. Well, and Quantum Mania, he goes so miniature that things that miniatures turn into bigotures.

That's not what the film's about. But what you've got to understand is when I make a miniature, I want you to think it's normal.
Right. So with a miniature, if he's a miniature, if he goes miniature,

then it's not normal, it's miniature. And you have to make it big.
But every now and then they also do shrink large objects down to be miniature.

For instance, vehicle, like vehicles, they'll shrink down.

But then it would be...

You understand that then I want to then make it. You don't want us to interpret it as being small.
You want us to go

to the bottom. I'm only interested if the big car was little.

So you know how it was a big car before it became a little car. Yes.
If that big car was little,

if you could see in a special feature, they go, oh, wow, look at that normal car that they're kind of walking around.

And then we could see in the bonus feature, go, that car was actually a small car. And we didn't know that until we saw it.
It was even littler. So until we saw the appendices connect.

So you thought the big car was normal. Yeah.
It's actually 1.3. It's a bigot chart.

And then we shrunk it down to a minute. Are you too done? Because this has gone on long enough.
What?

This shit has gone on long enough. I think end the episode.

This is why I had to go and do a show with him. I know.
I know I've been talking about this. Now.

Wow, come on, Peter wanted to wrap something up. Alexie, what do you got going on at the moment?

Tell us about your life. Have you got any miniatures? No, Richard, I'll fuck.
I'm this close. I've been making some miniatures.
I'm not getting any work from you. I'll go find it elsewhere.

You want any miniatures? I'd love a couple of miniatures. Another couple of miniatures.
You'll see what? I've stopped working with him and I've moved to CGI. I don't think it's miniatures anymore.

The only job you could get, thank God who wanted miniatures. Thank God you have the job at Wedder.
Because the only other job you could get, get, Sir Richard, I think, is at Sanders' workshop. What?

I think the only other job.

I think the only other job that you could get that you would be satisfied with is working at Santa's workshop.

However, it would be the bane of your existence because you would be telling people you're making miniatures and bigotes, and other people would just be saying they're just toys, Richard.

What are you talking about? Don't please. I don't know.

I'm just saying. It was just a thought that I had.
Well, it's not unless you put the camera up and change the frame rate, make it look big. That's what I'm interested in.

Yeah, but the points of articulation what if you added points of articulation they would become toys yeah they would it only becomes interesting to me if the end gullist put a camera close to it what i'm saying is he doesn't make too many human or like you know things that would have points of articulation depending on the

tree beard tree beard is one of the creatures that he would have made that would have had points of articulation

but mostly it's setting stuff mark all i'm like ministerith and stuff you don't need maybe a drawbridge would be a point of articulation

although i have a feeling they only made one and then doubled it with CGI.

Do you think Isengard is the same as

I just reckon they made one?

How big do you think Isengard was? And doubled it in power. How big do you think Isengard was? When I saw the movie, that was like at least like the size of the Eureka Tower.

Nope, it was one-third the size of that. Are you fucking kidding me?

Very big for a miniature. That's huge for a miniature.
And then how did you get Gandalf to stand on top of it and then jump off? I don't know. I left that to digital.
And how did you do that?

I did it through CGI.

Comping, Comping, actually. Comping, yeah.
Yeah, comping. But a computer was used to generate that image.
That's what I sort of handballed it over to digital. That's what we used to do.

It used to be a dance.

Handball's an Aussie Rules term, which means sort of like with rugby, you like to throw it backwards. But in Australia, they get the ball and they sort of punch it.
They punch the ball.

I didn't realise that was a turn of phrase that only applied because of football.

Just to wrap up what I was saying, I was just trying to explain. You've got to wrap up your dick if they don't want to get pregnant.
That's true.

That's true.

If you're making love

to someone with a uterus and you have a penis and you don't want to get them pregnant.

Unless they've got one of those little things with the little stuff. Oh, the robots.

Oh, yeah. If they've got a little robot in their head.

Dongas are still very important for safe sex in

to prevent from ST and even if they've got that little string.

I was like, yeah, fuck.

I knew it was one was right.

Even if they've got that little

string. Oh, that's a message I want to send.

There's so many STSs in New Zealand. You should get IUD.
Even if they've got a little string in their vagina, you've still got to wrap it up because you might get away with it. Well, it's a road.

That's right. And I think, just if I can talk to the young people listening today, safe sex is really important because of some of the nasty STDs that are out there.
From chlamydia to gonorrhea to...

There's been a rise in syphilis. In syphilis.

Not since World War I have we seen so much syphilis. Oh my gosh.
So that would have been in your research. Did you ever make like a giant

syphilitic sore on your giant World War I, guys? That would be ridiculous. I mean, I thought you were so keen on being able to show people how big the history was.

If they had to talk to us, stop this episode. All right, well, look, we've had a job.

Stop talking about big things and small things. That's all I know.
I know. That's why I was saying I think the only other job you would be satisfied in is toy making.
Please.

Even though it's a compromise. I actually do like toys.
We've gone over the studio back to the books. We need to leave the room.
We need to leave the room.

I'll leave the story.

Alexi, thank you so much for being on here. Thank you so much for watching.
Talking about More of the World starring Ice Cube, a highly recommended film. I think you'll really enjoy it.
Thank you.

As you all should out there in Radio Land, have a great time and think about big things. Oh, no.

Small things and things that are... Try not to.
Things that are small things that are big versions of that small thing, which is actually a really big thing.

We'll have to get you on again sometime, Alexi, and maybe not play such big characters. Oh, but it's that you do some stuff.
I like the big characters, I like to interact with them.

It's a bit weird to get you here to be our straight guy. Yeah.
So, apologies for that. We'll get you back on in a few months.

It's very rare that I get to be the straight guy on a podcast, so I quite enjoyed that. Quite enjoyed that.
A big character to begin with. Yes.
This is true. A big character in your video.

You're a big personality. Yes.

Thank you, Sir Richard. Thank you.
I do have a podcast.

Plug your fucking video. I have a podcast called The Last Video Store where I talk to cool people about their favorite movies.
Sick. Mark has been on.

Zachary has been on. Broden has yet to be on.
But we're all waiting for it. It's because I don't watch a lot of movies.
Why do you have me on?

I'm asking to be on it. Do you remember? I messaged you the other day about

Two Hands. Or the Mullet, one of them.
Yeah, you messaged me about Mullet. How do you do the video show? And Two Hands.
And Gregor Jordan. Gregor Jordan.
No, don't look at me.

Zach just looked at me with crazy in his eyes. How do you do that?

So, Richard, I'm going to keep plugging my thing, but I'll say, yes, on the YouTube of the podcast, we have it in a green-screened video store. Well, if you're aware of it.

And I would love to get a miniature made out of it or a bigoture one day if you're available. Yeah, but you have to make it.

If you're saying it right now, within six months, I want to see proof that you've made something.

So Richard Taylor, not the real one, the character that I'm playing. If Zach Rowan makes a miniature video shop, you will put it in the background of one of your podcasts.
I will do it.

I'll put it on the table. Well, challenge.
Yeah, I will do it.

I would say. So it's called The Last Video Store.
Check it out. Talk to cool people about their favorite movie.
They talk to Killing Hearty. I thought that was so cool.

I talked to Killing Hearty, and I thought it was so cool. Being on the Spider-Man 2 soundtrack.
They talked about being on the Spider-Man 2 soundtrack. And what do you do at the end of it?

When they've said their favorite movies, what do you do? I do give them a recommendation based on their taste. Really? Yes.
I still haven't watched the one you recommend to him. That's okay.

Zach watched one of the ones I recommended to him. That was.
I haven't watched the second one yet. I watched the first one because I was going on again.

The first one was the greatest recommendation I've I've ever received in my life. Wow.
It was like right down the middle of my brain. He's good at recommending.

He's a few times good. Go and see that film.
See, I'm good at it. He's watched three times as many movies as me, so it's three times better.
Maybe more. I think it goes up in.
Yeah.

It goes up in a bigger way. You could...
monetise that. Well, I'm trying to.
That's what I'm doing with it. Like a personal consultant who tells you what movies to sell.
Yeah, okay.

That's a good idea. Well, then, Peter, do you want to chuck me a few of your favourite movies and I'll throw one out to you now? Yeah, sure.
So let's go to the Lord of the Rings. No, no, King Kong.

King Kong? Yeah, you go. One touch.
Bad Touch. Bloodhound Gang song Bad Touch.
No, I'm recommending movies he likes. Oh, he's like.
So you're like King Kong.

I think he likes ones about aerial planes. Oh, we watched The Frighteners the other night.
Yeah. I fucking love that movie.
I've got to stop it, guys.

We have to stop.

We have to stop.

He likes King Kong. He likes King Kong.

What about Congo? It's got a big monkey monkey in it. Yeah, watch Congo.
Maybe Better Man, Better Man. Or Better Man.
Better Man.

Jonathan Kelly would love Better Young.

King Cole of the Planet of the Apes.

Yeah. Yeah, Mighty Joe Young.
You're just saying monkey movies or ape movies. Apes.
Primate movies. Primate movies.
Mighty Joe Young. What's that one about

with George from Seinfeld and the monkey at the hotel? Oh, that is Dunstan Chickson. Dunstan Chickson.
I love Dunstan Chicken.

They should have made a miniature hotel. Of the hotel.

Oh, my God.

We have to go.

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