Motherhood in the Spotlight with Farrah Abraham

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Speaker 9 It's your fae villain, Kale Wower. Kalwauer, and you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 9 All right, y'all. My next two guests do not need an introduction because you already know who they are.
Barra and Sophia, welcome to Barely Famous Podcasts.

Speaker 11 Thank you for having us. Of course.

Speaker 9 I'm so happy. I haven't seen you, I think, since 2018 at the VMAs.

Speaker 11 At the VMAs? For some reason, I remember it at a reunion.

Speaker 9 Was it at a reunion?

Speaker 11 But it was a brief passing, but I don't know what year it was.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 9 I know that we took a picture together at one of the VMA, one of the VMAs. I want to say it was 2018, somewhere around that.
And then before that,

Speaker 9 I thought it was Anderson Cooper, which was like 2011.

Speaker 2 It's a long time ago. Long times ago.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I have never met Sophia. So it's so the first time.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I wanted to bring her with.

Speaker 9 As you should. I think it's great.
So you've been doing interviews together. I saw you guys on Bunny's podcast, which was really cool.
And you guys got a lot of good feedback about that.

Speaker 11 Of course. What's not to love here?

Speaker 9 Well, speaking of that, you just made your debut in comedy. Yes.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 11 I feel like it was overdue. I feel like I fit right on in.

Speaker 11 I truly am overwhelmed by all of the comedy success from that debut and kind of really like taking a, I don't know, I've been doing back-to-back comedian podcasts.

Speaker 11 And they're like, let's tour, let's do all this. And I think I am someone who has so much going on that I'm like, okay, I'm gonna pause.
I'm gonna get agents, managers, and touring together.

Speaker 11 And that kind of, I feel like a lot of comedians, I love that they are their own business in their own right, and they just go, go, go.

Speaker 11 But I've kind of recentered my life to like 12-step principles, taking time, having balance, having a full life, not just throwing it all into work and like people pleasing.

Speaker 11 So I'm kind of taking the whole comedy tour thing a little slower than some of my amazing comedian friends. But I am loving comedy.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 11 it's different coming back to work. It's different coming back to work, Volon.

Speaker 9 For sure. And so if you toured, what would that look like for Sophia? Like, would you be able to take, are you homeschooled?

Speaker 9 So you would be able to go if you wanted to go.

Speaker 11 Sophia's here today. She's on this ride.
She gets to be wherever she wants to. She gets to travel.

Speaker 9 Do you love that or do you hate that? I love it.

Speaker 2 You do?

Speaker 12 So much. I would prefer over public school any day.

Speaker 9 So what is it like to maintain friendships while being homeschooled?

Speaker 12 Honestly, I have a lot of friends mostly online, like gaming and stuff, but I do still have a lot of friends from public school and private school.

Speaker 9 And so do you get to get together with them when you're home?

Speaker 2 Okay. Oh, okay.
So

Speaker 11 because you know

Speaker 11 playing games online, like I'm sure all the kids who might be hearing this,

Speaker 11 there's no distance that matters anymore. So yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, that's great though, because then you probably also meet other people when you're traveling to be able to play game with or do anything like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's really cool.

Speaker 9 And you celebrated your your 16th birthday in Germany. Was that something that you've always wanted to do or what did, what was that like?

Speaker 12 I mean, I saw the cathedral on TikTok for like two years straight and I've just been obsessing over it. So I really wanted to go to Germany and I got to.

Speaker 12 And I literally could sit and stare at the cathedral for hours.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's so beautiful.

Speaker 11 The dome. I just want to say I kept calling it cathedral and everyone's like, it's the dome.
It's the dome. Yeah.
Yeah. It was, it's an amazing place.
Germany is really pretty.

Speaker 11 And how do you react when Sophia comes to you and like asks you to go to germany or like says she wants a tesla or like you just do it you don't you don't even you let her be herself and don't have you know i think like my generation like any other parent like we are raised in our own world and then we have a new generation who is far greater awesome has new thoughts has an imagination and you can either rise with that or you can stagnate their creativity so like when i see my daughter want to do something that i may not have been able to do like I granted it's a full circle year.

Speaker 11 You think back to being 16, your suite 16 wasn't going on a plane, going to an international place. Either was mine.
Right. And I'm not going to take that away from my daughter.

Speaker 9 Absolutely. I think that's incredible.
So where do you want to go to next?

Speaker 12 Honestly, I really want to go back to Tokyo.

Speaker 9 Oh, you've been to Tokyo already?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 11 I have to say, like, Sophia was sending me some Saudi Arabian islands. So that's for your birthday.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 11 I was like, I'm getting confused with all this. But yeah, Sophia loves to travel.

Speaker 11 And I'm so happy that I have a daughter who just opens my horizons, is down for a trip, down to get out of like the world that we know. I mean, if I didn't have Sophia, I'd be pretty like...

Speaker 11 culturally deprived, I think, at this

Speaker 11 point in my life.

Speaker 9 I love that, though. My oldest son is about your age and he's the same way.
We want to go to Egypt and do the pyramids and like see all of that. So very aligned there.

Speaker 9 What was your reaction when you found out your mom was going into comedy? Did you guys have a conversation or did you just pop out? Did she just pop out and say she was doing it?

Speaker 12 I mean, she's been watching comedy shows and studying comedy for like what feels like two years now. Like she would just turn on a random comedy show on Netflix like every night pretty much.

Speaker 12 But I think she's amazing at it.

Speaker 2 She really,

Speaker 2 thank you.

Speaker 9 Would you ever help her write jokes?

Speaker 12 I mean, I've given her some advice.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 11 Sophia is silly. Sophia is so like her dad, who had natural like silliness, comedy, and his own right.
And yeah, I mean, there's good genes here to learn from.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 How does it feel when your mom says stuff like that about your dad?

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 12 I admire it, and I always listen to all the stories that she tells me about my dad, and it's really important to me.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I love it.
Love you.

Speaker 9 Love you. Do you have contact with your dad's family at all or no?

Speaker 2 I do. You do? Oh, good.
Yeah. That's really awesome.
I love that.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And okay, so tell me about, was Dr. Drew at your show? Did I read rumors? How was that? Do you get along with Dr.

Speaker 2 Drew?

Speaker 2 I laugh.

Speaker 11 I laugh because I'm like, literally, I think people do not understand how far removed and how much I've moved on from teen mom. Okay.
I know it's like a world that we are so from, integrated, right?

Speaker 11 Our brands started there. For sure.

Speaker 11 But yeah, so the entire staff of producers who've known me, us, since, you know, 16, whatever, they also were astonished that like, I like, I just, I have my own set. I got my own life.

Speaker 11 And it's not about who's in my crowd. And I think I kind of was leaving tidbits of, I don't care who's in the crowd.
I'm showing up and I'm working.

Speaker 11 And so, yeah, they were like, are you going to like go in and roast Dr. Drew? But it's not about that.
And I think everyone really was raving about the show and everyone connected with it.

Speaker 11 And I think you have to read the room when you're an amazing comedian. It is a wave of emotion.
You have to connect with anyone, whoever hates you, loves you, is indifferent about you.

Speaker 11 And you want an amazing, you just want an amazing feeling at the end of that show. And everyone applauded.
People were standing up and applauding. Rave reviews.
So like, that was awesome.

Speaker 11 But no, I don't. I'm not here to get along or not get along with anyone.
Right.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 that's not part of your job.

Speaker 9 But I just thought that was, I mean, I don't know if it was, it was him showing support or, or what that was, but I saw rumors online.

Speaker 2 I was like, what was that?

Speaker 11 They were like, what is this?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I had no idea what was going on.

Speaker 9 But I know that, you know, going from you, you wrote the book Diary of Teen Mom, and now you're doing comedy. Like, what a transition.
Yeah. What a transition.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And Sophia has been here for the entire ride. What is that like? Like, how do you feel every time your mom does something or you get to do something or you guys are in the headlines?

Speaker 9 Like, how does that feel for you at 16? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you feel indifferent?

Speaker 12 I mean, I'm just kind of used to it. So I don't really think anything of it anymore okay um

Speaker 2 yeah i mean it's cool yeah i guess yeah yeah

Speaker 11 you get to see things created you get to know how you want to create whatever you want in your future

Speaker 9 and see how to get there from zero to the top how did you get into comedy like how because yep I don't even know how you would start.

Speaker 11 So I got into comedy, I believe it was 2012.

Speaker 11 David Tell asked me to be a celebrity guest on Comedy Central that's where I got my sag after credits and I started receiving residual checks when I got fired from MTV or teen mom

Speaker 11 and I was like you know what

Speaker 11 I must have been doing work wrong with the teen mom because I don't get residual checks and I didn't know really if I wanted to continue working for a little bit and then my friends who obviously like sponsor your largest comedians and all that stuff agents and managers?

Speaker 11 I'm friends with, we would go to the comedy store, and a lot of the comedians at the time I was friends with. And so I was watching them.

Speaker 2 This was before COVID.

Speaker 11 And that's when I was kind of reconnecting with the comedy idea because I had that break in television. And then I was just really focused on my entertainment degree.

Speaker 11 And I really wanted to reposition myself. I'm in my master's for in digital marketing.
And I just kept like, a lot of it is actually screenwriting in my marketing.

Speaker 11 And I had to switch from screenwriting into digital marketing. And the more and more and more I kept writing for all these amazing things, I was like, I want to go just talk about this stuff.

Speaker 11 And the comedy was that. So I think it was just in alignment.
It was very easy for me.

Speaker 11 And I see like it's not always easy for every comedian. So I just have to kind of be careful.
There's been a little. jealousy and riffs here in the back end.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I do think comedy now is a little bit different than it was years ago.

Speaker 9 So the same way that you got your start is not going to look the same as someone who started, you know, 10 years ago in comedy because it can be rough, I've heard. Yeah.

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Speaker 9 I think that you don't get enough credit for your business mind.

Speaker 9 I think that, you know, I've seen so many things over the years in the headlines, but I don't know if you know this, but when you published...

Speaker 11 Tell me what's up.

Speaker 2 You might remember it.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I'm trying to remember everything, but I.

Speaker 9 When you wrote My Teenage Dream Ended,

Speaker 9 I reached out to you because I didn't understand how you were able to get the book published. And I was trying to publish my book.
And so I was like, Farah knows Farah did this.

Speaker 9 Like, I need to reach out to Farah because she has like this business mind. And you were doing, you had a website and you had this and you had that.
And I was like, how do I do what she's doing?

Speaker 9 And you started so young. And I, what was your parents?

Speaker 11 I'm sorry I missed that message.

Speaker 9 No, I think you responded to me. Oh, I hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 I think you told me.

Speaker 11 I'm sorry. I was like going through so much then.

Speaker 9 Oh, I'm sure. I can imagine, but I was just like, how is she doing all of this? And so, I

Speaker 9 over the years have sort of followed your journey and like your business decisions because I think whether people love you or hate you, they're reading about you and they're all over their feed.

Speaker 9 And I think that you know, there's a lot to be said about that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's really weird. That

Speaker 11 so I was the first girl who walked into MTV Publishing and I got told, no, no, no, we're not doing books and I got back from we went to was it Copenhagen where were we Denmark we got back from Denmark I kept writing this journal I was very suicidal depressive I didn't know my disabilities back then and this journal like God put on my heart like

Speaker 11 you're gonna go like you're gonna go make this meeting happen and you're gonna reach out and you're gonna demand that it's gonna be made I flew to New York I took the meeting I said, I am going to make this with or without you.

Speaker 11 This is your once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. This is going to be like a top-selling book.

Speaker 11 You need to get behind this. Or it's like, why am I even doing this show? I left.
They sent me a book deal.

Speaker 11 And it really did end up opening up and breaking open a whole trail of all the women having a book deal offer, whether they took it or not from

Speaker 11 my series.

Speaker 9 Interesting. Because I didn't get that opportunity.
So I wanted to.

Speaker 11 That's why I'm like a little conflicted here because, you know, I mean, Macy was going in for like some writing thing at the time where she was trying to do like some broadcasting thing.

Speaker 11 I feel like she was very much like, I will be the first one to ever write or do something, but

Speaker 11 I don't know what transpired. I feel like there was a lot of women's oppression.
I'm just being honest. When it comes to teen mom, there was a lot of male toxicity and influence.

Speaker 11 It just speaks rightfully so because I have the same executives who told me no, no, no, showing up at that comedy set, even with David Tell steering me off of that, trying to just make me stay in this lane.

Speaker 11 It was always kind of suppressive. And I feel like that is a problem when I hear reports today where they're like, oh, Teen Mom has done so much

Speaker 11 for people who had like a lesser than circumstance. But I think it's like, you can always give me money.

Speaker 11 What am I doing with the money?

Speaker 11 How am I challenging myself? How am I breaking through this ceiling that has me stuck?

Speaker 11 And if I wasn't crazy and depressive, if I wasn't in a suicidal state, I'm going to tell you right now, I would have never been strong enough to go fly on my own without my parents' support,

Speaker 11 you know, just kind of just like forcing executives who really have power trips with their employees all day long. It was a horrible culture that I saw.
and to force them to do an action something.

Speaker 11 But yeah,

Speaker 11 some of the other teen moms of my cast weren't jumping to it when that opportunity was open. And then others,

Speaker 11 like I just heard, you know, like, you know, we'll add on more ghostwriters. We'll make whatever happen so they can have that opportunity because they weren't like able to formulate their story.

Speaker 11 Like I just had everything written out and I was starting to structure it. And I'm like, this is about ready to wrap up.
You need to be a part of this. So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 11 I think you take some of your insanity and try to have some sanity with it and say like this is what we're gonna do and I even do that till this day even this week with the things that take years to make that I've been working on you have to just say like

Speaker 11 God gave me this this is gonna happen with or without you you can either take part you can be a part of this million dollar idea or you can go piss it away and i think like that's kind of where like me and teen mom fall out straight up right no and i could see that looking looking back, I could see all of that.

Speaker 9 I am shocked to hear that they were giving everyone the opportunity to do a book deal because I got turned down by six publishing houses before they offered me anything. That's really upsetting.

Speaker 9 And I don't know if it was like the difference between teen mom and teen mom two.

Speaker 11 Like, maybe there was a, you know, okay, so I want to talk about this if you're open to talking about it.

Speaker 11 I feel like that there is a very big, even when I see teen mom three, like, look, I'm not trying to study teen mom.

Speaker 11 I've had enough of teen mom, but i do feel like there's just like a disparity there's like something that's not equal there's something that's not right when i see from og teen mom to

Speaker 2 another

Speaker 11 you know level of teen mom coming in and also other women on teen moms from the franchise internationally that have reached out to me i i feel like they've just been

Speaker 11 dropped in disarray and I think that I've always advocated when I've been hired, fired, fired, hired, like back and forth. I'm like, there has to be something that helps people bounce back and go in

Speaker 11 to life in a normal way.

Speaker 11 And to me, that was

Speaker 11 the trauma center, the intensive healing center that MTV did pay for after I was like fired, I think like three times. And then they needed me back for their family boot camp thing to be picked up.

Speaker 11 And I just, I can't keep keep coming back, getting attacked, coming back, getting attacked.

Speaker 11 It's like financial abuse, it's work abuse, the stress on someone's mental and identity wears, and lots of the people on this show have disabilities, so it definitely affects people.

Speaker 11 And I think an intensive trauma healing center should be offered to all of the mothers on this show and the children, the dads involved, even the parents,

Speaker 11 because there's just a history of people not believing in mental health here. And that is very toxic in a work environment.

Speaker 11 But I do feel like the disparity of different generations of filming and teen moms, there is a lack of support completely throughout the entire franchise.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Did you, did you get offered to go to a facility at any point?

Speaker 2 And did you? I did.

Speaker 9 And you went?

Speaker 11 Because I kept saying,

Speaker 11 there needs to be something here for me. I mean, like, to what degree do you just keep asking for money?

Speaker 2 I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 Like, I will always have the legal upper hand to get more and more money from people. But to what extent does brokenness,

Speaker 11 if you're broke or if you're rich,

Speaker 11 what is the common denominator that helps you that we weren't given in public school? It's recovery skills, which I wasn't given nor around, nor did anyone want me to be around recovery skills.

Speaker 11 Because if you have recovery skills, you're a powerhouse. And that was taken away from me for, what, what over a decade longer.
You know, you can't heal where you get sick.

Speaker 11 And they just wanted to keep you sick. So, yeah, once I got that,

Speaker 11 I'm pretty much no longer allowed to be brought back because

Speaker 11 I'm intelligent now. I know, like, I could do my own stuff.
Right. But I also don't believe in abuse and manipulation.
So when I do create now, it's not in that way.

Speaker 9 Sophia, how do you feel when you hear your mom talk about this stuff?

Speaker 12 I support everything she says, honestly. And

Speaker 11 yeah, I appreciate the support.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I appreciate that.

Speaker 9 Just the strength and like the knowledge, the self-awareness of it all. Because I think that, I mean, you, in my experience with teen mom, you have to go like beg for help.

Speaker 9 It's not just offered.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I don't beg.

Speaker 11 Like, I'm pretty strong with my stuff. So it's either

Speaker 11 I've done this enough, like, you know. I repeat enough.
I'm tired of repeating. It's not if I'm broke.
It's not if I'm wealthy. It's this is wrong.
We need to fix it.

Speaker 11 My identity has taken like a huge hit over and over and over again. And how do you fix that? It's recovery skills.
It's not money.

Speaker 9 And when you say you were fired three times, I was under the impression that they gave you the option, you know, if you'll stop the sex toy thing, I think, at the time.

Speaker 9 And are you comfortable talking about this in front of Sophia?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, sexual health and wellness. Wow.
You know,

Speaker 11 anyone could talk about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, of course. But it just,

Speaker 9 I remember the whole scandal during that time. And I thought it was like you weren't actually fired.

Speaker 9 It was like they gave you a choice, either stop this and stay on teen mom or don't stop this and you can't be on the show.

Speaker 11 I'm also an adult woman. Right.

Speaker 11 And I agree. Yeah.
So if you open the door and look outside of teen mom to the real life that we all live in,

Speaker 9 yeah.

Speaker 11 Any woman's doing whatever she wants. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 11 And if anyone else gets fired or something else happens in their work life from their personal life, that's also a lawsuit that's not tolerated in other work environments.

Speaker 9 And which you did.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Do you think that opened the doors for you to explore OnlyFans?

Speaker 11 Like you're not. I don't explore anything.
Just so anyone knows, like, I don't really explore that.

Speaker 11 I think in life, when you do so well, things are naturally attracted to you. It's in your natural alignment.
Was I a hot mess? And that's what adult entertainment really kind of is.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that was in my alignment at the time. And then I was just like, you know, getting sex trauma therapy.

Speaker 11 I was trying to figure out what all this is because people are sex shaming me, which isn't okay either.

Speaker 11 And so then when you have advocates and you have therapists and then you just really know what it's about, it's like, I never was doing anything wrong.

Speaker 11 I'm creating sexual health and wellness products, selling out worldwide because apparently there is this need for women and men. which I'm happy that I did that.

Speaker 11 And the company that had that, the manufacturer, sold out three times, made other people millionaires. And I got to travel the world.
I got to see other things.

Speaker 11 I got to learn about other people being shamed in their sex lives, learned that it's not okay. And I should never have tolerated the firing and like the mental abuse from that shaming.

Speaker 11 And I think, again, it just goes back to me of like, you're a teen mom.

Speaker 11 and shame rejected and blamed. And I just gotta say, like, if we look outside of this disgusting world that is just not correct and it's sinking,

Speaker 11 it's teen teens were never included in equality and inclusion of proper contraception. And I have like a change.org thing about it right now, a petition.

Speaker 11 And if we were, like if we had a new law and I go get a lobbyist and I go make this happen.

Speaker 11 Because 16 year old boys are online right now searching for inclusion and how they can within their their age. But yet if we're older,

Speaker 11 then we get all these contraception things like vasectomy is like everything. You get to go plan your fertility.
You get to go save this and then choose to have family.

Speaker 11 So it's like when people say this is not the right time for you, or they say you shouldn't be a part of something,

Speaker 11 they're not living your life. They have no jurisdiction to shame, blame, or reject you, especially if they're not helping.

Speaker 11 If they're not doing a petition, if they're not trying to do something for the next generation or anyone, then they should just be quiet because everyone's been quiet for so long, leaving teens out of the equation of contraception and sex that it's disturbing and disgusting to me, and then judging me.

Speaker 11 So, yeah, I feel like everything has been timely. I'm happy that I've been a part of adult entertainment to whatever degree that I felt comfortable with.

Speaker 11 I'm happy I've won AVNs for novelty toys, videos I didn't edit and chop up, and I made other people millionaires. I'm happy that I've had the life that I've had.
I literally don't regret anything.

Speaker 11 I think if anything, I need to push harder on inclusion and equity for teen teens who are turning into adulting.

Speaker 11 Like when I look back right now, I feel like I'm almost really doing the best at adulting out of my cast straight up. Financially, education-wise, looking back at it, living it, full circling it.

Speaker 11 I am so grateful for never being like, oh, I need to go like crawl in a corner and not be in my divine femininity because men are telling me they're going to fire me.

Speaker 11 Yeah, well, what if you just don't even need the show?

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 11 And then I blossomed and then I just, you know, I could stay in my house for five years and not need to walk out. I mean, it's just so nice.

Speaker 9 Sophia, you're laughing. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 11 She's like, get the heck out of the house, guys.

Speaker 2 Are you crazy?

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Speaker 9 How do you feel about your mom having worked in the adult entertainment industry? Do you have any feelings about it or you're just, it doesn't matter?

Speaker 12 I don't really think anything of it.

Speaker 12 i mean it hasn't changed her as a person and she's always been amazing and it doesn't change her as a mom and i'll always love her thank you and i support her and everything she does so you don't you don't have mixed feelings about it because i i mean during covid i explored um only fans and i was like

Speaker 20 why is it like a naughty thing no not even a naughty thing

Speaker 22 i guess like um girl i know you're having sex and having kids okay explore i just

Speaker 9 i didn't know what it was so i was like looking into what only fans is and like how much money could i really make right sure wanted to see what was going on over there um but you know i i don't know how that you do of tv like do you have your podcast on of tv a lot of my no i'm not on only fans oh like i have no idea anything about it but i you can make like you know I know whatever you whatever are you willing to talk about numbers

Speaker 11 I feel like you should because here's the thing I have so many other people who do podcasts television shows the originals and I I am such a supporter of OFTV in general because of like knowing so much about the podcast market and some of those things.

Speaker 11 I feel like it's a disservice for the majority of podcasters to be podcasting.

Speaker 11 But then when my girlfriends invited me to one of their podcasts, they have it mainstream, but then they also took it to OFTV.

Speaker 11 I was just so incredibly proud of those women because people only think that they're gorgeous, pretty, and just, you know, sex objects. but no, they turned it into a business that is lucrative.

Speaker 11 They have the initiatives for podcasting in LA are kind of different, which I was proud about them, like taking

Speaker 11 students of entertainment and film and bringing them in and then giving them these opportunities. But every time we did a podcast together, it was 30k straight cash.

Speaker 11 That's even after it goes through OF the OF payment processor. And I just was like, hmm.

Speaker 11 I was like okay I'll listen to you about it and so yeah I did open up my OF TV page and then I still do all the collaborations with the ladies and I'm gonna tell you it's still the same it's 30k and up every time I stop by like there's no even reason to like pay me because I know it's worthy of me coming together with them because they figured out the platform the initiatives so it generates actual cash for them podcasting.

Speaker 11 And that's something I'm proud of. I think a lot of other people are just like throwing in tons of ads,

Speaker 11 trying to get all these sponsorships, but it never equals to that magnitude of money. So to me, yeah,

Speaker 11 I mean, but if something's going to make you money, I'm going to bring it up. So OFTV for your podcast all day.

Speaker 9 So you don't have to just have sex on there.

Speaker 11 OF TV is a regular channel. They have like dating shows.
They have cooking shows. They have like all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 11 Women traveling men on there i mean it's it's a channel i had no idea this is the first time i'm ever hearing of any of this so you're making money from only fans not from like doing explicit content no it's oftv okay so i think that there's a it's online misunderstanding men online i think people are you definitely can have your own promiscuous you know sex life you could everyone's welcome to that right that's on only fans of tv is a channel they sponsor sports players comedians are on there.

Speaker 11 Everyone, like there's boatloads of talent that is just joining OnlyFans because of OF TV, right? You have to have the OnlyFans, it's a pipeline, right? Okay. And everything, marketing.

Speaker 11 I'm not talking to someone who doesn't know here,

Speaker 11 but it's a pipeline and it works.

Speaker 9 So numbers-wise, would you be willing to give an like a ballpark number of what you've made on OnlyFans as a whole today?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's millions. Millions of dollars.
I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 9 You don't have to specify, but so millions of dollars off of OnlyFans, whether it be O O F T V or, you know, explicit content. Millions of dollars in a short time.

Speaker 11 Yes, of course. Millions of dollars a year.
Millions of dollars

Speaker 11 gave and taken from me from OnlyFans. So it's lucrative.
Actually, I don't think my page is ever going to be deleted. So

Speaker 2 it's crazy.

Speaker 9 And then basically, how do you balance an OnlyFans job or jobs or, you know, channel while raising Sophia because there's a misunderstanding, I think.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 11 Well, I think if something's age-appropriate, I mean, I don't know. Sophia's not ever really around, like, unless I'm bringing her to podcasts, she's

Speaker 11 doing her own thing. If I'm having my own

Speaker 11 personal, like, I don't know, you know, some things are just not age-appropriate, right? It's like you don't go look at your girlfriend making her own, like, new toplits, right? So it's, yeah.

Speaker 11 But But I have to say, I don't, I just like, we have our own spaces in our own house to do whatever we want to do there.

Speaker 11 Uh, but yeah, we, yeah, whatever is age appropriate, but that's probably not so age appropriate, right?

Speaker 9 So you just keep them separate and you're able to function, live your lives, still have respect for your mom, still be able to parent, and just keep everything separate. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. It's just as simple as that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's everything's pretty simple, right?

Speaker 9 Like, yeah. Are you dating right now?

Speaker 11 I'm not dating right now.

Speaker 9 You have any desire to date right now?

Speaker 11 I guess I am on dating apps. I guess.

Speaker 9 Are you on Raya?

Speaker 2 We were talking about Raya this morning.

Speaker 11 I feel like Raya is just not where I need. I mean, I also did a dating coaching program.

Speaker 11 So, yeah, I don't think the quality of what I'm trying to find is on Raya.

Speaker 2 What are you looking for?

Speaker 11 I would say my top five.

Speaker 11 Someone who has done,

Speaker 11 who like is spiritual, someone who has done their inner child work, has reparented themselves,

Speaker 11 has their own career, is business-minded.

Speaker 11 Unconditional love is something that I look for in someone.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and who can just, you know, embrace family life because that's very important to me. So those are kind of like my top ones.

Speaker 9 Do you have any deal breakers? Like for me, I won't date someone with kids. Like, what would your

Speaker 11 wow?

Speaker 2 And there's my head down

Speaker 9 pretty far.

Speaker 11 But what do you have any? You know, I do, I have to say, though, I like psychoanalyzed why I choose to date people with no children. And it just because I really feel like it comes from ease, right?

Speaker 11 All the attention can be on me. It can be fun.
It can go into fantasy land. We don't have responsibilities.
It's just like life is so easy.

Speaker 11 But I also feel like when I do date someone who has children and does not children, or does not children like I children, does not parent like I parent, that is, I don't like like challenge, like one of the things like my relationship coaches say is like when a man challenges you, that is never going to be a good relationship.

Speaker 11 And I've often seen no matter how much money someone has, no matter how much wealth and nannies and whatever that they may have, we still will not sometimes see eye to eye on how to parent.

Speaker 11 And that is very disturbing to try to get close to someone. and have a complete rift somewhere in there.
So that's why I do probably tend to date people who don't have children.

Speaker 11 But it's also kind of frustrating when people put pressure on me when I date them who don't have children, who want children. And they're all like nervous.

Speaker 11 Like, am I going to be a good dad or a bad dad? I'm like, honestly, is it even worth the brain power thinking of this? No, you just, you go right through it.

Speaker 11 So you figure it out. But I feel like that's the thing.
I also don't.

Speaker 11 I don't wonder anymore. I feel like I got the PhD in parenting.
And so that's kind of like, now I really have to focus to see if someone's wanting children or not. So, yeah, am I dating? I do date.

Speaker 11 Do I prioritize dating? I don't. And it's dude, it's like I got like

Speaker 11 5,000 boyfriends online. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 And honestly, when I want a gift, I want a gift. When I want to go shop, I want to shop.
When I want to go on a trip, I want to go on a trip. Most

Speaker 11 men who you get in a real relationship with can't just go do that.

Speaker 11 And yeah, so maybe when I'm like 40, you know, if I want to chill, I'll do that, but I don't really have to in my dating life, and I'm not gonna be mediocre with it.

Speaker 9 How, Sophia, how would you feel if your mom was in a serious relationship? Do you think you would be okay with it and you'd support it, or do you feel like you love it being the two of you right now?

Speaker 12 Um, I mean, in her past relationship that lasted like nine months, I was kind of iffy about it because I was so used used to just

Speaker 12 me and my mom and having a guy around that pretty much wasted her time. It was like...

Speaker 11 Well, he was crossing boundaries, right?

Speaker 2 We had to talk about that. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And that's why he was in therapy with me every week.

Speaker 11 And I'm going to just say it like it is, ladies. You can throw the whole sink at someone.
You could be their therapist. You can have them have a therapist,

Speaker 11 relationship therapist. But if someone is not ready to grow and reparent, and I, we already had this talk before we got into it, I was like, I'm not going to be dragged.

Speaker 11 If you get in my way of my daughter time, of my happiness, of anything like, you got to go. And I think a lot of men, when they're losing you, they just grip harder.

Speaker 11 You know, they'll, you bought me a dog, bought us a million-dollar house.

Speaker 8 It was like,

Speaker 11 I was like, my therapist, our therapist was like, if he'll buy me a house, I might hit him up.

Speaker 2 is, where is this man at?

Speaker 11 Oh, he's in a deep dungeon off into the distance.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he got, he got exiled, but

Speaker 11 he got exiled.

Speaker 2 He'll never come out of the hole.

Speaker 9 So, but what is the, do you feel like you are on a different, different level than most men? Because I feel like between TV, comedy, you know,

Speaker 9 your toys, your, your book, just everything that you do. And then obviously the money you make has to be intimidating to some men.

Speaker 9 Like, I always joke about the women in first class who look at me like I'm the scum of the earth when I get in first class and they think they're better than me.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, I actually probably make more money than you, and I actually probably have more connections than you.

Speaker 9 So, do you ever think about that while you're dating and you're like, I need to date someone on my same playing field? But what is our playing field, right? Like, where are we in this playing field?

Speaker 9 Because I live in Dover, Delaware. Nobody's going to ever make as much money as me there.
Like, okay. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, there's just nowhere for, like, I can't date on my same playing field. So, what about you?

Speaker 11 Look, there's no right app. There's no right place.

Speaker 11 It is literally and all in how we reset our alignment of what we attract. And that is the best way I can answer that.
Again, my dating coaches showed me this. I paid for them.

Speaker 11 I'm a part of this huge alumni of women.

Speaker 2 who are all over the world.

Speaker 11 We just like even checked in with the other day. And some of the girls were pregnant.
Some of them got married. And they have the guardian of their souls.
They got the love of their lives.

Speaker 11 And, you know, sometimes you will meet these imposters.

Speaker 11 And once you meet your imposters in your dating life, like I have, I'm sure you have, everyone has, you then just only you wait and you know for the right one.

Speaker 11 And in the meantime, while I'm waiting, I'm having a good time.

Speaker 2 I'm having a ball.

Speaker 11 I'm having guys buy me all sorts of stuff to take me all over the place. Okay, because I don't have to play by anyone's rules and shame and blame.

Speaker 11 They don't affect me. So, yeah, I would say there is no right place.
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Speaker 11 i've told stories in some of these comedy bits of podcasts sophie and i have stopped by it's like

Speaker 11 i just make everyone go away from me i just want to go eat dinner and like someone will chime in, and it ends up being a billionaire. Like, and I'm not trying, I don't have to try.

Speaker 11 It's literally reset your aura, reset, have your vision. Again, the Michelangelo effect, your top five, and you just go for it.
And again, they had us doing journals. I read over 40 books.

Speaker 11 I did 12 modules. I did more and more personal work.
And I think like that's all the difference.

Speaker 11 And so, when a guy comes all the time on a date and he hasn't done his personal work, and I'm like, like, oh, you remind me of, and I'm talking nice and I'm talking casual. I'm figuring it out.

Speaker 11 And it's like, okay, we're going to be friends. Like, I have no problem being nice right away.
I actually don't show up for many dates. I'll make them do Zoom dates.
And they rave about the Zoom date.

Speaker 11 They still want to like date me. They still want to buy me trips.
They still want to do everything. But a lot of men, that's, this is the thing.
It's like, they are not secure.

Speaker 11 You cannot cure cure insecurity. If you come into something with insecurity, it will come out.
And that's what

Speaker 11 the thing is with one of the relationships that Sophia is talking about, one of the recent one, like last year one, I haven't been really dating seriously since, is the insecurity.

Speaker 11 I allowed his insecurity of lack of self-development in my relationships here.

Speaker 11 And I should never have allowed that. As a good person, as a good friend, I should have just said, like, God bless you, but I was too kind.
A lot of moms are too kind.

Speaker 11 So it's just like, don't be kind in your relationship. Like, when you go to get pants and you know your ass is fat and you try to make this work and it just doesn't work.
I can't hop. I can't jump.

Speaker 11 I can't get the zipper redone. I can't put on the button.
I can't, you know. blow my brains out about how to get these jeans on.
You just move on to the next jeans.

Speaker 2 Okay, it's like, how do you?

Speaker 11 Women will drive themselves crazy over men but what you gotta learn is there's nothing to get crazy about

Speaker 11 there will be a right man there are so many good men out there and there is sadly a lot of people who are still lost in the sauce of trying to figure out themselves and that's that's not our journey so

Speaker 11 i can't do that you know i i developed one amazing human right here my daughter And, you know, men who weren't developed by their parents, they see me and they're like, oh,

Speaker 11 and it's like the holy grail. But I am not here to develop someone else unless you're going to pay me $50,000.
Like I paid the hundreds of thousands of dollars to be the person who I am today.

Speaker 11 There's a price on that. So yeah, when people are like, oh my God, you make men pay to talk to you, you make, yeah, I'm a person of value and quality.
I improve their life.

Speaker 11 And women really need to look at themselves as improving people's lives, expanding men's worlds. Men pay for that.
That's what they want.

Speaker 9 So how do you teach Sophia this? Do you just watch this and you are taking mental notes?

Speaker 11 Sophia wasn't just learning this. No, no, no.
I had to back up and go get success coaches and therapists and just remove myself. Because at a time,

Speaker 11 a guy who was lost was trying to put a wedge between our create transparent relationship.

Speaker 12 I think I've learned from her mistakes.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Do you take in, like when she's talking about, you said something something about the 12

Speaker 11 step principles? Yeah. Do you think it's a guide of life?

Speaker 9 Which, can we talk about that in a second?

Speaker 11 Yeah, they're free for anyone.

Speaker 9 So do you take that in and you're like taking notes and trying to like retain that for whenever you decide to be in a relationship?

Speaker 2 Like are you using, yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, 12 stubs definitely doesn't only help with relationships.

Speaker 9 It really does.

Speaker 12 But it also... It mostly helped me with my mental health over the years.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 11 If your spiritual melody is ever off in life, like again, in yoga, you have a guide. 12-step principles is a guide to life.
You'll often see it in churches, recovery programs.

Speaker 11 Tony Robbins has it for his finances.

Speaker 11 The relationship program that I was talking to you about that's worldwide, Lisa Shield, she took what she learned in the 12-step program, she applied it to relationships.

Speaker 11 And that's why people have such a high success rate. So 12-step principles is anywhere and everywhere in life.

Speaker 11 And when you get off of those in work, like I was just saying, like, I'm not going to go run myself ragged for comedy. Like so many I'm seeing I'm balanced.
And that's what I was taught to do.

Speaker 11 And like I took two years off so I could just get this in my life.

Speaker 11 So yeah, it's brotherly love. It's like,

Speaker 11 honestly, I don't want to say it like this, but it's common sense things. But the world gets heavy.
We kind of get out of that common sense. We run ourselves down.

Speaker 11 And 12-star principles will always help you flourish. And I think like that's the easiest way I can say it without being like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

Speaker 11 But I do have this on my YouTube. I literally opened up my 12-step trauma program booklet on my YouTube.

Speaker 11 Sophia and I, we talk about the 12-step principles and our parent and child relationship on Fearlessly Female podcast. It's only on like our YouTube like members area for people with my masterclass.

Speaker 11 So I think it's not like for you know, even when you put it up for free, it's not for people who

Speaker 11 you have to really want the 12 steps.

Speaker 11 Okay, like I've had so many people at my 12-step program for intensive healing, and they just get out of there and want to go be homeless and get back to drugs and get back to running themselves ragged.

Speaker 11 So, when you want it, you figure out your low point, every low point's different,

Speaker 11 and yeah, then you get it, and life is amazing, really.

Speaker 9 And how does ketamine therapy fit into all of this? Like, your entire, um, I guess, journey of elevating yourself.

Speaker 11 Yeah. So ketamine I used in December of this last year.
So it's only been like a couple months I feel like I've done it. It's changed my life.

Speaker 11 Ketamine is just like the therapists say, it is like fresh snow on your train tracks, on your memory. It opens up your brain pathways.
And a lot of our brain pathways are closed.

Speaker 11 And you have repetitive thoughts and you circulate. You have anxiety.
you get depression. Um,

Speaker 11 there's a lot of negative things that go on in the brain. And if you do ketamine, right, which look, I got a

Speaker 11 lot of people saying they're doing ketamine right now, but they're not doing it how I did it. I did ketamine under supervision, under my insurance.

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Speaker 11 and so yeah, they monitor my uh blood pressure, they monitor my heart, they make sure everything is working

Speaker 11 great.

Speaker 11 You can also overdose. You can also die from ketavine.
There's a lot of other things. So when I say to people, I did ketavine.
I was also sitting next to a comedian the other night.

Speaker 11 He's like, oh, yeah, I turn on. I'm not making fun of him.
Do ketamine however you want to do it. But he's like, I turn on bullet train.
And then I snort it.

Speaker 11 And so, like, I have never been, like, when my friends are saying all sorts of craziness, I have never been the person to do like black market drugs.

Speaker 11 I know how to get drugs through doctor. I make sure it's good for me.
I make sure I know what I have in my system. And my body has been through a lot of things.

Speaker 11 And honestly, if I wasn't figuring out what I was doing and taking, I probably wouldn't be the healthiest person right here before you.

Speaker 11 So yeah, if anyone's hearing this, you know, there's been a lot of discrepancies. Doctors making videos of me and ketamine this week, which I wasn't really cool with.
So I never did ketamine for,

Speaker 11 I just want to like correct this because again, doctors are making videos of this. I think it's a little like

Speaker 11 worrisome.

Speaker 11 I did not ever do ketamine for anything with my parents. There is no parental rage.
I have bigger things going on than old stuff that I've already done therapy on.

Speaker 11 You know, there's just like a magnitude again

Speaker 11 with this whole full circle thing of

Speaker 11 Sophia turning 16.

Speaker 11 And I was very much,

Speaker 11 I had a traumatizing event when I was 16, which her dad passed away.

Speaker 11 And yeah, that's been, you know,

Speaker 11 with recovery skills and everything, that's been severely challenging for me even this year because,

Speaker 11 yeah, I would love for someone to be here.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And it probably was full circle because she had just turned 16 and, you know, you have to relive all of that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I remember her father turning 16. I remember him graduating at this time.
I remember him dying. I, you know, I remember all of these things and that is so heavy on someone's mind.

Speaker 11 And so the only way that you can recorrect these things after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on recorrecting this is, hey, like, I need to go open up my brain. Okay.

Speaker 11 I need to go make new like

Speaker 11 pathways. And I think if if anyone's hearing something about ketamine is

Speaker 11 go make a new pathway for yourself amongst loss, depression, all sorts of traumatic events. We have so much traumas in our lives that we normalize.

Speaker 11 But yeah, it's not about my parents. I get really bothered about that.
I also have like legal issues and things that are going on.

Speaker 11 And I think if anyone owns a lot of stuff, if anyone does a lot with their life, you deserve. Every mom, every mom who hears this deserves some supervised ketamine.

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Speaker 9 And how do you feel about your mom doing kettleen?

Speaker 12 I don't really think anything of it.

Speaker 11 I mean, Sophia took me to Kettering.

Speaker 2 That's my next question. So you drove her.
You drove her to the appointment.

Speaker 9 So do you watch the appointment then or do you sit in the waiting room?

Speaker 11 No one's allowed to be in the room with you.

Speaker 9 Okay. And so when you are in an altered state of mind, would we call it? Yeah.

Speaker 9 In the room. Right.
So a

Speaker 9 genuine question here is like, what if the doctor did something to you? Like, are you in, are you that far out of it that you wouldn't know? Or would you.

Speaker 11 So I'm not getting these injected.

Speaker 11 I think some people, there's many ways of doing ketamine. I do it like two.
I put it in my cheek. I am highly aware about anything, honestly.
And ketamine also makes you highly aware of everything.

Speaker 11 Again,

Speaker 11 your brain is opening up bigger than it's probably ever been opened.

Speaker 2 You're like, oh, whoa.

Speaker 11 And you see things, you hear things, you're highly aware of things. So I don't really think that anyone could ever take advantage.

Speaker 11 No one's ever tried that in there. I think they're honestly probably scared of people when they're going.

Speaker 11 I think my staff gets scared, maybe.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 they are so professional there. My people are going through whatever the academy needs to do to reset and get them focused on their successful journey.
I call it a higher self.

Speaker 11 They let it all go.

Speaker 9 Okay. So it's not like you're high and out of control.

Speaker 11 You're also on camera.

Speaker 9 Oh, okay. See, I've never, I

Speaker 2 the only other

Speaker 11 people stop.

Speaker 11 So a lot of people stop going in person with insurance and doctors because they get freaked out that they're on camera.

Speaker 11 Obviously, I don't care if I'm on camera, but I actually appreciate that extra security because it is a what-if.

Speaker 11 You're different every time you go in there, and these professionals really know how to handle people in every kind of different situation. And I've seen people

Speaker 11 be so different every time walking in and out of there. So again, I wouldn't want anyone to judge me, and I definitely don't judge them.
They are highly professional. Go be yourself.

Speaker 11 Go get your therapy. Be a freak show.
Do whatever you got to do.

Speaker 9 Be a freak show. So how long does the

Speaker 11 two hours? I'm there for two hours. Okay.

Speaker 9 Okay. I feel like that's doable, but you're not under any sort of...

Speaker 9 influence when you leave because that scares me it scares me to think about like still being high or something after i leave and i have to go function in real life like i got i have seven kids i got to raise them you know what i mean like i gotta you're gonna you're gonna raise these kids way better after ketamine i just i got to say, it's like, I'm telling you, moms.

Speaker 9 You're so bad on ketamine, basically, the healthy way.

Speaker 11 I mean, I only think like for moms is like you need to have anti-nausea medication. I think a lot of people are like, whoa, I'm so like on something.

Speaker 11 No, you're actually like nauseated from ketamine, but you think you could be tripping. And I think.

Speaker 11 Lots of people are not knowledgeable about that.

Speaker 11 So once I, because I never got like sick when I was pregnant, I don't get sick when I'm on cruises or anything, you know, I don't really get sick and nauseated but ketamine did and I didn't know what it was for the first three times and then I was like

Speaker 11 I was like whoa I was really like bonkers there for like all night and she's like you were nauseated with ketamine so now they give me like two little like tablets that you dissolve for your stomach and digestion but Do that guys.

Speaker 11 You'll be fine.

Speaker 9 Would you support Sophia if she wanted to do ketamine?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I mean I honestly think I I probably feel like a lot of children who either have a lot of stress, go through a lot of stress, go through public eye, any of that stuff, if you go through trauma, again, I highly recommend ketamine.

Speaker 11 I think as I've been hearing from my doctors, the future with recovery and anything that children or adults go through, this is like their go-to.

Speaker 11 And mostly it's usually saving people in life-threatening situations, like not an EpiPen, but they're shooting people with ketamine to save their lives lives right now whether it's children or adults.

Speaker 9 I actually didn't know that off camera we started talking about plastics. Would you support

Speaker 9 things? Yeah. I mean I'm not a stranger to Little Nip and Tuck, but would you support Sophia if she want came to you at 18 and was like, I want to get some stuff done?

Speaker 11 I mean, I think it's just part of life. I think it's part of being a woman.
And so, yeah, I mean, we know what.

Speaker 11 We know what's good, right? We get a doctor's opinion. We know what we, you know, can and can do for our body anatomy.
And I think, you know, you got to stick to a professional with it.

Speaker 9 Do you think the work that you've had done has influenced your mom to get work done? Or do you think that she was?

Speaker 11 I also think just anyone who is definitely their senior is totally going to get work done.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So

Speaker 11 I don't think I'm anyone's muse for getting their work done. I think everybody should, again, do preventative, should take care of themselves.
Again, it's just more recovery time.

Speaker 11 It's more money if you just hold it up.

Speaker 11 I mean, I, you know, I think I was like the first person in my family in general to be open to plastic surgery, to aesthetics, to taking care of my health and wellness better than anyone I've ever seen in my family.

Speaker 11 Um, they definitely had some words to say about that when that started, and so I went and I did it myself because, yeah, and I'm very happy that I take care of my health, wellness, beauty, aesthetics, skin

Speaker 11 it pays off. So, I'm happy, and I'm happy that my family is doing

Speaker 9 What is the relationship with your family?

Speaker 11 I don't really have like a communication with them. Again, like I break trauma bonds.
So if there's trauma, I'm not really sitting in that anymore. So

Speaker 11 I'm cordial with them. I'm cordial with my parents.
You know, they loved my comedy thing.

Speaker 2 Were they there?

Speaker 11 No, they were not there. They were not invited.
I mean, a lot of people weren't invited, but they still showed up.

Speaker 9 So they weren't there, but did they support you?

Speaker 11 Did they text you, call you, anything they liked it yeah um they just text me i really don't take calls with my family uh anymore i i really have my own boundaries that are healthy and

Speaker 11 i think once you stop trauma but i feel like a lot of people don't understand this when you care about someone so much and you actually love them and you want what's best for someone breaking a trauma bond within your family that is so deep is a healing, most beneficial thing that you can ever do for anyone in your life.

Speaker 11 So, when I now check in with them, and they're doing, you know, they have their own lives. It's not codependence.
It's not unhealthy. It's not integrated.
It's not all, it's like not a mess anymore.

Speaker 11 They have their own identities. They have their own lives.
They don't, you know,

Speaker 11 rely on me to support them in any way or fashion. And again, that's against my 12-step principles.
So I live life in a healthier way. I am so proud of my half-sister.
I'm so proud of my cousins.

Speaker 11 I'm so proud of my dad. I'm so proud of my mom.
And people, as we saw on Teen Mom, you know, were like, oh, you can't just X everybody out of your life and be on your own.

Speaker 11 And it's not really about hating or disliking people or anything else. It's really seeing what is healthier and better for everyone.

Speaker 11 And I'm so grateful that I did that because now everyone is really doing better, flourishing in their own way.

Speaker 9 and that's just a testament to stop trauma bonds so you're saying that it wasn't only beneficial for you it was beneficial for them too to for sure it is yeah and and sophia how do you feel do you have contact with them or do you sort of put up your own boundaries as well and and interact in that way um i choose not to contact them okay

Speaker 9 i thought i remembered you having a sister i didn't realize she was a half sister on the either 16 impregnated or something and you don't have contact is your whole family in Idaho?

Speaker 2 Iowa. Iowa.
Iowa.

Speaker 11 Do you ever go back in Austin, Texas?

Speaker 11 I love Iowa. I miss Iowa.
Shout out to the big O Omaha, Iowa. It's, you know, those cities, those states.

Speaker 11 I love it. Midwest area, you can't get anything better.
Midwest raised, you can't find anything better.

Speaker 11 But I think, you know, with, again, keeping distance, respecting other people's face.

Speaker 11 leaving things open, again, I'm not creating any more trauma bonds in my life so if that's like leave it on hold and don't fly into a city that you take over I can't just like walk into small cities and not anyone know that I'm there so I respect that for them and for myself and I just I stay out of it yeah yeah and I understand that you did say that they don't rely on you or anything did did you previously support them yeah financially yeah

Speaker 9 just because you were on TV and then your career kind of exploded exploded and then you just started taking care of your family financially?

Speaker 11 Um, I don't know why or how it all succumbs to that, but I think a lot of people, even if they're not family, they get bombarded with, hey, can you, you know, pay for this? Can you do this?

Speaker 11 Can you do that? Da da da da da da all the time. So yeah, that's unhealthy.
That's against the 12 steps.

Speaker 9 But you were helping people when they asked at first? Yeah. I think we've all been there.

Speaker 9 I mean, whether we were on the show or not, we've all helped somebody, but you, it was to the point that it was unhealthy.

Speaker 11 Totally is. It's really unhealthy in any situation.
Codependence is financially or codependence emotionally is not healthy.

Speaker 9 I have been, I feel like, in a very unique situation because nobody, my family members have never asked me for a dime. So I find that to be so fascinating.
Like I have a hard time.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's not everyone's experience, but that's nice.

Speaker 9 And I mean, lastly, what do you, where do you see yourself with comedy, parenting, all of the things in the next six months?

Speaker 11 I don't know, elevated.

Speaker 2 Another comedy show? Yeah, you did invite me to the last comedy show.

Speaker 9 I did.

Speaker 2 I couldn't make it.

Speaker 9 Would you do another one, you think, in the next by the end of the year? Or do you think you're going to slow it down? And

Speaker 11 so May is looking like it's insane. So like we're even having like double shows the same day.

Speaker 11 So I'm just trying to take some April off. May is going to be fun.
It's also Mother's Day month.

Speaker 11 And who doesn't want to be like in a beach and have, you know, just bliss and greatness and then good mom times and good laughs.

Speaker 11 So yeah, I think May, I'll probably just like

Speaker 11 divulge like some tour dates. Again, I also just don't like to say things super in advance.
Right. I just know like something crazy is going to show up.
So when it's up, it's up.

Speaker 11 If you show up, you show up. And if you don't, it's all good.

Speaker 9 I love that. And what about you, Sophia? Do you have any plans for the rest of the year?

Speaker 2 Like goals,

Speaker 9 places you want to visit?

Speaker 12 I mean, a big goal is going on Icon of the Seas cruise ship this summer.

Speaker 11 I love how we skip school. We're just signed to the seas.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, world school, right? She's learning while she's on the cruise.

Speaker 11 Always.

Speaker 12 I mean I really want to study more music this year and get into music production.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 12 And focus on singing and making music.

Speaker 2 Do you play any instruments?

Speaker 12 I do. I play electric guitar.
I used to do piano, but it's kind of like faded.

Speaker 9 Do you showcase any of that on social media? Like your guitar or anything like that?

Speaker 12 Not really, but I plan on doing it once I learn a few songs and eventually make my own songs.

Speaker 9 That would be awesome. And I know that you have a mom that's been in the music industry.
So she'll be able to

Speaker 2 Pauline.

Speaker 11 Hello.

Speaker 9 So that'll be awesome. And I feel like social media is such a good way to like showcase talents and build a brand.
And so you have that right at your fingertips, which is amazing.

Speaker 2 So I'm really creative for the

Speaker 2 creative.

Speaker 11 It's so fun.

Speaker 11 So where are your kids today?

Speaker 9 They're all at school right now, and except for the babies, obviously, and they're home.

Speaker 9 And they they are just thriving I just got a text from Isaac while we were taking a break he got into um he's 15 so he's a are you you would be a sophomore you're a sophomore yeah so he's a freshman he got picked for um the shop that he wants to do in his high school like you do the different shops and then you go into the like academies that you yeah want to do.

Speaker 9 Okay. So he got into his and he's so so excited.

Speaker 11 What was like the theme or what?

Speaker 9 So there's like broadcasting,

Speaker 9 nursing,

Speaker 9 teaching. And so he wants to do ASL interpreting.
So he's big into sign language. And so he did that.
He's doing the teacher academy so that he can eventually teach sign language.

Speaker 9 So that he literally texted that to me when we were getting touch-ups. And I was like,

Speaker 9 I got to send him something. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I love sign language. Do you?

Speaker 2 Well, I got Sophia Stony

Speaker 11 to do it. Did you? I got Sophia Stony's sign language books.
I even saw them the other day and I was like, should I be giving these? I love

Speaker 11 sign language. There was just a lot of people, like Iowa School of the Deaf.

Speaker 9 And so like like some of them would come to my public school and i just always befriended people who really use sline sign language i love that isaac wants to make sign language available and have like the basic signs for everybody like make it more inclusive that's his goal so that's amazing and i know that you love to hear that story yeah that'll be really cool he um there's a woman that works at our target who um is deaf and she uses sign language and so he was able to speak with her in sign language which was really cool isn't that awesome?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I don't know what it is. I just like it.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 9 People were people are saying that you were slammed because Jersey Shore, Angelina's ex, I guess, went to your show, your comedy show.

Speaker 11 Yeah, again, I can't control who shows up, right?

Speaker 9 Right. And obviously, the bigger names that are there, I don't, I don't even know his name, uh, Binny, I guess.

Speaker 2 He wrote it down for me.

Speaker 11 And we're probably like, is it Benny from the OG Jersey Shore? Because, like, we know this other Binny, right? So, yeah, not that Binny, who also does comedy.

Speaker 2 Oh, right. I forgot that he just started comedy.

Speaker 9 Yeah, so weird.

Speaker 2 Did you ever partner with him?

Speaker 11 So he used to reach out to me and my team did invite him. They were like, he's not being responsive.
I extended a personal invite, didn't respond.

Speaker 11 And again, I really do feel like, and I hope whoever hears this, if you're in comedy and you have a brand,

Speaker 11 It it does such a disservice to let your ego get in the way of something.

Speaker 11 And for the amazing, talented, OG comedians I'm even seen with on this trip they always are helpful yeah there is no competition they are not concerned or worried like they give me agents they give me comedy tour agents there is no competition and I think like with dating like in real life it's like whoa whoa whoa like what's what is this hatred or like anything that's blocking you when you used to

Speaker 11 you know like want to hang out but now it's like there's no competition. So I do feel like, um,

Speaker 11 yeah, I don't know. And I don't really know about everyone's mental state.
So I think also like

Speaker 11 with this whole Angelina situation

Speaker 11 and this Vinny's situation,

Speaker 11 that

Speaker 11 that was like disturbing. I don't like to be wrapped in to

Speaker 11 someone else's dating issues, woman issues, their problems, mistreatment of other people

Speaker 11 in general. And yeah, that's what that was.
It was like a little woman abuser situation and trying to get me into that.

Speaker 11 And there's just so many unhealthy men out there that I really have a huge boundary for that. And I definitely just like cut it off like right away.

Speaker 11 And apparently his mental health was impacted.

Speaker 11 So I hope, I hope with everyone spreading their trauma and their mental health around problems to other women, women, they understand like this woman just stops it here.

Speaker 11 And I will always vouch for other women. Even women who are in like narcissistic simulations and who are lost.
And even if they hate me saying what I got to say,

Speaker 11 it's really just for the betterment of all women. And I'm happy other women who was dating came forward.
They got to speak about what they were going through. They were also moms, I guess.

Speaker 11 And, you know, it's kind of been like the same situation with my sexual assault. 16 other women came forward.
And if this voice didn't stand up and and say something, where would women be helped?

Speaker 11 They would just be in silent suffering. And that's not what I want for women.

Speaker 9 No, absolutely not. Especially when you're raising a daughter.

Speaker 11 A lot of people are raising daughters. Yeah.
Hopefully they get with the program.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I just had a daughter, my first one, Sophia. I don't know if you know.

Speaker 2 I have six boys.

Speaker 9 No, tell me what's up. I have six boys and a girl.
And the girl only came because she had a boy twin.

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 2 So, yeah.

Speaker 9 So I just had a daughter.

Speaker 9 It's definitely new, but that was one of the first things that I thought when I had her was, oh my gosh, like the thing, yes, it can happen to boys, but women are suppressed and oppressed and all of the things.

Speaker 9 And so I just think about, you know, women who stand up for women is what we need.

Speaker 11 So well, your little lady is going to be standing up straight up to all of her brothers.

Speaker 9 I hope so. Right.
I hope so.

Speaker 2 Or I hope they are.

Speaker 9 I hope they stand up for her. I hope they, you know, that they collectively have a voice and

Speaker 9 can speak.

Speaker 11 Where do your sons stand

Speaker 11 with women women and females? And I don't know because of their schools and their influences. Like,

Speaker 11 what are you seeing collectively in your sons that you're raising in public school? Because I took my daughter out of that.

Speaker 11 The boys were a mess, attacking my daughter, talking about my sex life, even in kindergarten. And I was just like, whoa, boys were not like this when I was in kindergarten.

Speaker 11 I just like, like, even got like bumps up my leg because it was so disturbing to me and also the parents of these sons you know god bless these young boys who are just literally lost but you're at a 10 out of 10 school you're in like an amazing environment I just didn't understand how that was happening at school so how do your sons get those impacts and deal with it I we haven't had any experience so far with people coming up to my kids.

Speaker 9 I think that they understand that we're sort of well known in our area, but that's sort of the extent of it. I don't have those same coming home and talking about sex and things like that.

Speaker 9 So I think that's actually really disturbing. I will say that I have noticed, and I don't know if it's similar to you.
I mean, my sons are being raised by a single mom. Yeah.

Speaker 9 They do also have like their stepmoms and, you know, their dads are with their partners.

Speaker 9 And so they have sort of a unique perspective from me because they see me do things by myself and the hard things by myself. And so they understand that women are just as strong as men.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And they've never questioned that. That's been, that's been their understanding since day one.

Speaker 9 So I think I hope, and I do worry about it on a regular basis, like my sons growing up to be productive, stand-up men in society and have character and morals and things like that, especially when it comes to women.

Speaker 11 And you're saying that this is a benefit, right? Because like our, I would say that community, it was mostly women.

Speaker 11 So in this community, like if we're looking at, because you're like, oh, my sons have like a, you know, a girl, a male figure like all around them

Speaker 11 but in our community all the men would work i was the only working mom i also owned three stores in the community sponsored all the football teams cheerleaders all the kids like i was jesus um

Speaker 11 but the men were so like my neighbor sold his house in a day because he couldn't stand like it was like disneyland at my house and It wasn't that over at their house.

Speaker 11 And it created a very bad dynamic of spoiling. And like, we got a pony, and like, their kids want to come over, and I can't because their parents are crazy to me.

Speaker 11 Um, and then, like, their wives would just stay at home, so it was like stay-at-home wives.

Speaker 11 Some were getting killed by their husbands, that was very worrisome in that neighborhood, some were being abused around the holidays, that was very worrisome.

Speaker 11 And so, yeah, I was like, I don't think suburbs are for me. Like, if the women just stay at home, the men kind of abuse them.
They're like,

Speaker 11 It was like not a vibe, and maybe that's why the children Came to school the way that they did Okay, if you're saying I'm just trying to play this

Speaker 11 child development here is playing a role in how men treat or young young boys treat young girls and what's age appropriate and how we talk to people that was just super appalling to me because I wasn't raised like that.

Speaker 9 I wonder if my sons, and I hope they are,

Speaker 9 turn out to be a little bit different simply for the fact that they're watching their mom

Speaker 9 be the breadwinner and working my ass off and working 12 jobs and opening opening a new business and so they're not seeing what you're describing my kids are not seeing that they're seeing the opposite where i'm i'm the working mom and the dads are yeah staying home most of them um and you like stay-at-home dads

Speaker 11 why did that ever happen i'm so sorry That's a great question.

Speaker 9 I think this goes back to our conversation about the playing field.

Speaker 11 Yeah, but I'm like, you know, you better than anyone else. So it's like, I'd rather ask who you were then and who you are now, right? As we're all, you know, growing here.

Speaker 11 Because, yeah, I don't put up with that.

Speaker 9 I think that where I live

Speaker 9 in Delaware, there's not somebody on my playing field ever, whether it be, you know, their mindset, their finances, their goals.

Speaker 9 Like where we live does not provide them with no matter how they grew up, whether they met me or they met somebody else, does not give them the opportunity to be bigger or better than me.

Speaker 9 So, I don't really, like, my pool is limited.

Speaker 11 But you can date, like, here, anywhere, and get cheated on? Why would you be cheated on?

Speaker 9 Because they are out of state.

Speaker 11 I've dated someone in different countries and never been cheated on.

Speaker 9 I think I need to take the 12-step program. I need to do the principle program.
I'm like,

Speaker 2 why are you even thinking?

Speaker 9 I think you should share your can.

Speaker 11 I'm like, why are you even thinking you would be cheated on?

Speaker 2 No, none of those thoughts.

Speaker 9 Okay, so I'm going to, you're going to have to connect me with the goals, the relationships.

Speaker 11 You need to have men, though, sign some NDAs.

Speaker 9 Oh, they all are signing NDAs for sure. They're all going to sign NDAs.

Speaker 9 And you know what?

Speaker 2 That's another thing that you're doing. A lot of you sign ready.

Speaker 11 I got mine unlocked.

Speaker 2 Do you?

Speaker 11 That's how you won't ever find the guy with like, who just buys millions and million dollar houses and houses and houses

Speaker 11 because...

Speaker 9 That's locked away. Do you, have you ever had a problem with people trying to sell you out after a fallout?

Speaker 11 Yeah. So initially, when I was on Team Mom, the guy who actually initially got me to go visit Austin, Texas, where we ended up,

Speaker 11 that gentleman ran right to e-news and was saying how a horrible mom I was and all that stuff. But he, I didn't even date him that long.

Speaker 11 And I was just like, you know what? I'm never having this happen again because he's on covers of magazines. He's in magazine.
I'm like, you know, again, power tripping.

Speaker 11 I don't have any space for egotistical power tripping and hatred. And that's what runs rampant in undeveloped men.
And so I just don't allow it.

Speaker 2 Right. Right.

Speaker 9 I think that's fair. I think that's good.
It's a good example to set for Sophia. I'm sure you feel good about that.
And you're not going to take any shit from anyone moving forward.

Speaker 2 Friends.

Speaker 9 Family, men, women, anybody. I think that sets the tone and the standard very high for your daughter.

Speaker 11 Yeah. So she's got a great boyfriend.
And

Speaker 2 you have a boyfriend. You have a great family.

Speaker 11 He lives out of state and doesn't cheat.

Speaker 2 Wow. Imagine that.

Speaker 20 Imagine that.

Speaker 11 He flies on in. We fly on out there.
And

Speaker 11 he's homeschooled as well. And yeah, a great family.
He has brothers and sisters my age

Speaker 11 or older. And yeah, his mom's cool.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's so easy. I love that.
Shout out to Utah. I like some Utah people.

Speaker 9 Would you ever get a house in Utah? Have someone buy you a house in Utah?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 11 Sophia definitely wants.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Next location. Yeah, so we were like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 But then we're like, oh, should we get a place? And I guess we'll have like a couple places. That's just kind of our spirit.

Speaker 2 I've never seen the mountains there. You do.

Speaker 9 I've never been to Utah.

Speaker 2 They're mesmerizing.

Speaker 11 Oh, my gosh. You're kids and you would love Utah.

Speaker 2 I've never been to Delta.

Speaker 11 If you guys like Delaware, you'd like Utah.

Speaker 9 We, there's nothing in Delaware.

Speaker 2 Have you been to Delaware?

Speaker 11 I have. You have? Me and my family went on this coastal trip when I was younger and definitely remember Delaware, all of it.

Speaker 9 All of it. It's a peninsula, so it's sort of like Florida, but not as great as Florida.

Speaker 9 And it's just flat. There's a lot of farm.
I have a farm, so it's just regular, you know?

Speaker 11 Yeah. Yeah.
Well, why did you stay in Delaware?

Speaker 9 My ex-husband was stationed there for the military, and then because we had kids, and then I had more kids, can't leave now. So we're stuck in Delaware for the

Speaker 9 foreseeable future.

Speaker 11 It's okay. You're just stuck there? Yeah.

Speaker 9 The judge is never going to let me leave. So.

Speaker 11 So you're like, I'm having more children.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I'm done having kids now, but I, the judge is not going to be like, yeah, sure, take all seven kids and head on out.

Speaker 11 Why not?

Speaker 9 Great question. Maybe you could ask him.
Maybe you can go advocate for the women in Delaware.

Speaker 11 Well, why do you feel needs to be advocated for women who have moved on in relationships, who continue on families and continue wanting to see the world or whatever?

Speaker 11 like where does that advocacy need to be like that's something that you need to lobby

Speaker 9 yeah I would agree with you because I think that it's interesting you know two of my kids dads they they don't live in Delaware but I do not have the luxury to be able to file and then be able to keep all my kids and take them with me so that's a really interesting point so how did the dads get to leave I'm sorry one left on his own without saying a word The other one did it correctly, said something, you know, we went through a custody agreement and his job moved moved him.

Speaker 9 And that was also an argument.

Speaker 9 Was like, well, I could have been in LA or Texas or New York for the last 10 years and I have never tried because I was under the impression that you cannot take your kids out of Delaware.

Speaker 9 It's like a 50-50 state. So immediately following a split, unless there are extenuating circumstances, you get 50-50 custody typically.

Speaker 11 I see all the gaps and all this reasoning for you to just get up and go.

Speaker 9 You're like, we'll worry about the legal aspect of it later. Just get up and go.

Speaker 11 You can give your notice, but you love Delaware.

Speaker 9 i like delaware i like delaware i wouldn't i would not say i love it i like it okay yeah but that's all i had for you i'm so excited that you guys came on barely famous podcasts shout out to delaware yeah where

Speaker 9 can everyone find you on socials if you feel like sharing and what are you promoting if anything feel free to plug it all

Speaker 11 We're promoting a good life for you at home. And yeah, you can find us on our social medias, Sophia, Abraham, Farah, Abraham, Google it.
We're here, we're there, we're everywhere.

Speaker 11 And we can't wait to see you all.

Speaker 2 Yeah, thank you for coming. Thank you for having us.

Speaker 11 We love chatting. Yes.
Yes, thank you.

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