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Things are going to get weird.

It's your fae villain, Kale Lower.

And you're listening to Barely Famous.

All right, y'all.

All right, my next two guests do not need an introduction because you already know who they are.

Farrah and Sophia, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast.

Thank you for having us.

Of course.

I'm so happy.

I haven't seen you, I think, since 2018 at the VMAs.

At the VMAs?

For some reason, I remember it at a reunion.

Was it at a reunion?

But it was a brief passing, but I don't know what year it was.

Okay.

I know that we took a picture together at one of the VMA.

One of the VMAs.

I want to say it was 2018, somewhere around that.

And then

again, I thought it was Anderson Cooper, which was like 2011.

It's a long time ago.

Long times ago.

Yeah.

And I have never met Sophia.

So this is the first time.

Yeah.

I wanted to bring her with.

As you should.

I think that's great.

So you've been doing interviews together.

I saw you guys on Bunny's podcast, which was really cool.

And you guys got a lot of good feedback about that.

Of course.

What's not to love here?

Well, speaking of that, you just made your debut in comedy.

Yes.

How do you feel about that?

I feel like it was overdue.

I feel like I fit right on in.

I truly am overwhelmed by all of the comedy success from that debut and kind of really like taking a, I don't know, I've been doing back-to-back comedian podcasts and they're like, let's tour, let's do all this.

And I think I am someone who has so much going on that I'm like, okay, I'm going to pause.

I'm going to get agents, managers, and touring together.

And that kind of, I feel like a lot of comedians, I love that they are their own business in their own right and they just go go go but I've kind of recentered my life to like 12-step principles taking time having balance having a full life not just throwing it all into work and like people pleasing so I'm kind of taking the whole comedy tour thing a little slower than some of my amazing comedian friends but I am loving comedy um but it's it's it's different coming back to work it's different coming back to work full-on for sure and so if you toured what would that look like for Sophia?

Like, would you be able to take, are you homeschooled?

So you would be able to go if you wanted to.

Sophia's here today.

She's on this ride.

She gets to be wherever she wants to.

She gets to travel.

Do you love that or do you hate that?

I love it.

You do?

So much.

I prefer it over public school any day.

So what is it like to maintain friendships while being homeschooled?

Honestly, I have a lot of friends mostly online, like gaming and stuff, but I do still have a lot of friends from public school and private school.

And so do you get to get together with them when you're home?

Okay.

Oh, okay.

So, yeah.

Because you know.

So playing games online, like I'm sure all the kids who might be hearing this,

there's no distance that matters anymore.

So, yeah.

Well, I mean, that's great though, because then you probably also meet other people when you're traveling to be able to game with or do anything like that.

Yeah.

That's really cool.

And you celebrated your 16th birthday in Germany.

Was that something that you've always wanted to do, or what did, what was that like?

I mean, I saw the cathedral on TikTok for like two years straight, and I've just been obsessing over it.

So I really wanted to go to Germany and I got to.

And I literally could sit and stare at the cathedral for hours.

Yeah.

It's so beautiful.

The dome.

I just want to say I kept calling it cathedral and everyone's like, it's the dome.

It's the dome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was, it's an amazing place.

Germany is really pretty.

And how do you react when Sophia comes to you and like asks you to go to Germany or like says she wants a Tesla or like you just do it.

You don't, you don't even, you let her be herself and don't have anything.

You know, I think like my generation, like any other parent, like, we are raised in our own world.

And then we have a new generation who is far greater, awesome, has new thoughts, has an imagination.

And you can either rise with that or you can stagnate their creativity.

So, like, when I see my daughter want to do something that I may not have been able to do, like, I granted it's a full circle year.

You think back to being 16, your sweet 16 wasn't going on a plane, going to an international place.

Either was mine.

Right.

And I'm not going to take that away from my daughter.

Absolutely.

I think that's incredible.

So where do you want to go to next?

Honestly, I really want to go back to Tokyo.

Oh, you've been to Tokyo already?

Yes.

I have to say, like, Sophia was sending me some Saudi Arabian islands.

No, that's for your birthday.

Okay.

I was like, I'm getting confused with all this.

But yeah.

Sophia loves to travel and I'm so happy that I have a daughter who just opens my horizons, is down for a trip, down to get out of like the world that we know.

I mean, if I didn't have Sophia, I'd be pretty like culturally deprived, I think, at this

point in my life.

I love that, though.

My oldest son is about your age and he's the same way.

We want to go to Egypt and do the pyramids and like see all of that.

So very aligned there.

What was your reaction when you found out your mom was going into comedy?

Did you guys have a conversation or did you just pop out?

Did she just pop out and say she was doing it?

I mean, she's been watching comedy shows and studying comedy for like, what feels like two years now.

Like she would just turn on a random comedy show on Netflix like every night pretty much but I think she's amazing at it she

really

thank you

would you ever help her write jokes I mean I've given her some advice

yeah for sure Sophia is silly Sophia is so like her dad who had natural like silliness comedy in his own right and yeah I mean there's good genes here to learn from yeah yeah how does it feel when your mom says stuff like that about your dad I love it.

I admire it and I always listen to all the stories that she tells me about my dad and it's really important to me.

Yeah.

I love it.

Love you.

Love you.

Do you have contact with your dad's family at all or no?

I do.

You do?

Oh, good.

Yeah.

That's really awesome.

I love them.

Yeah.

And okay, so tell me about, was Dr.

Drew at your show?

Did I read rumors?

How was that?

Do you get along with Dr.

Drew?

I laugh.

I laugh because I'm like, literally, I think people do not understand how far removed and how much I've moved on from teen mom.

Okay.

I know it's like a world that we are so from, integrated, right?

Our brand started there.

For sure.

But yeah, so the entire staff of producers who've known me, us since, you know, 16, whatever, they also were astonished that like.

I like I just I have my own set.

I got my own life.

And it's not about who's in my crowd.

And I think I kind of was leading tidbits of I don't care who's in the crowd I'm showing up and I'm working and so yeah, they were like are you gonna like go in and roast Dr.

Drew, but it's not about that and I think everyone really was raving about the show and everyone connected with it and I think you have to read the room when you're an amazing comedian.

It is a wave of emotion.

You have to connect with anyone whoever hates you, loves you, is indifferent about you and you want an amazing, you just want an amazing feeling at the end of that show and everyone applauded people were standing up and applauding rave reviews so like that was awesome but no i don't i'm not here to get along or not get along with anyone right no that's not your that's not part of your job right yeah but i just thought that was i mean i don't know if it was it was him showing support or or what that was but i saw rumors online people were like what was that they were like what is this yeah i had no idea what was going on um but i know that you know going from you you wrote the book diary of a teen mom and now you're doing comedy Like, what a transition.

Yeah.

What a transition.

Yeah.

And Sophia has been here for the entire ride.

What is that like?

Like, how do you feel every time your mom does something or you get to do something or you guys are in the headlines?

Like, how does that feel for you at 16?

Do you love it?

Do you hate it?

Do you feel indifferent?

I mean, I'm just kind of used to it, so I don't really think anything of it anymore.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, it's cool.

Yeah.

I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You get to see things created.

You get to know how you want to create whatever you want in your future

and see how to get there from zero to the tap.

How did you get into comedy?

Like how?

Because

I don't even know how you would start.

So I got into comedy, I believe it was 2012.

Davatel asked me to be a celebrity guest on Comedy Central.

That's where I got my SAG After credits.

And I started receiving residual checks when I got fired from MTV or Teen Mom.

And I was like you know what

I must have been doing work wrong with teen mom because I don't get residual checks

and I didn't know really if I wanted to continue working for a little bit and then my friends who obviously like sponsor your largest comedians and all that stuff agents and managers I'm friends with we would go to the comedy store and a lot of the comedians at the time I was friends with and so I was watching them this was before COVID and that's when I was kind of reconnecting with the comedy idea because I had that break in television and then I was just really focused on my entertainment degree and I really wanted to reposition myself.

I'm in my master's form in digital marketing and I just kept like a lot of it is actually screenwriting in my marketing and I had to switch from screenwriting into digital marketing and the more and more and more I kept writing for all these amazing things.

I was like, I want to go just talk about this stuff.

And the comedy was that.

So I think it was just in alignment.

It was very easy for me.

And I see like it's not always easy for every comedian.

So I just have to kind of be careful.

There's been a little jealousy and riffs here in the back end.

Yeah.

And I do think comedy now is a little bit different than it was years ago.

So the same way that you got your start is not going to look the same as someone who started, you know, 10 years ago in comedy because it can be rough, I've heard.

Yeah.

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I think that you don't get enough credit for your business mind.

I think that, you know, I've seen so many things over the years in the, in the headlines, but I don't know if you know this, but when you published.

Tell me what's up.

You might remember.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm trying to remember everything, but I, When you wrote My Teenage Dream Ended,

I reached out to you because I didn't understand how you were able to get the book published.

And I was trying to publish my book.

And so I was like, Farah knows Farah did this.

Like, I need to reach out to Farah because she has like this business mind.

And you were doing, you had a website and you had this and you had that.

And I was like, how do I do what she's doing?

And you started so young.

And I, what was your parents' minds?

I'm sorry I missed that message.

No, I think you responded to me.

Oh, I hope you enjoyed it.

I think you told me.

I'm sorry.

I was like going through so much then.

Oh, I'm sure.

I can imagine, but I was just like, how is she doing all of this?

And so I,

over the years, have sort of followed your journey and like your business decisions because I think whether people love you or hate you, they're reading about you and you're all over their feed.

And I think that, you know, there's a lot to be said about that.

Yeah, that's really weird that.

So I was the first girl who walked in to MTV Publishing and I got told, no, no, no, we're not doing books.

And I got back from, we went to, was it Copenhagen?

Where were we?

Denmark.

We got back from Denmark.

I kept writing this journal.

I was very suicidal, depressive.

I didn't know my disabilities back then.

And this journal, like, God put on my heart, like,

you're going to go, like, you're going to go make this meeting happen.

And you're going to reach out and you're going to demand that it's going to be made.

I flew to New York.

I took the meeting.

I said, I am going to make this with or without you.

This is your once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

This is going to be like a top-selling book.

You need to get behind this.

Or it's like, why am I even doing this show?

I left.

They sent me a book deal.

And it really did end up opening up and breaking open a whole trail of all the women having a book deal offer, whether they took it or not from

my series.

Interesting.

Because I didn't get that opportunity.

So I wanted to.

That's why I'm like a little conflicted here because, you know, I mean, Macy was going in for like some writing thing at the time where she was trying to do like some broadcasting thing.

I feel like she was very much like, I will be the first one to ever write or do something,

but I don't know what transpired.

I feel like there was a lot of women's suppression.

I'm just being honest.

When it comes to teen mom, there was a lot of male toxicity and influence.

It just speaks rightfully so because I have the same executives who told me no, no, no, showing up at that comedy set, even with David Tell, steering me off of that, trying to just make me stay in this lane.

It was always kind of suppressive.

And I feel like that is a problem when I hear reports today where they're like, oh, Team Mom has done so much

for people who had like a lesser than circumstance.

But I think it's like, you can always give me money.

What am I doing with the money?

How am I challenging myself?

How am I breaking through this ceiling that has me stuck?

And if I wasn't crazy and depressive if I wasn't in a suicidal state I'm gonna tell you right now I would have never been strong enough to go fly on my own without my parents support you know just kind of just like forcing executives who really have power trips with their employees all day long it was a horrible culture that I saw and to force them to do an action something

But yeah,

some of the other teen moms of my cast weren't jumping to it when when that opportunity was open.

And then others,

like I just heard, you know, like, you know, we'll add on more ghostwriters.

We'll make whatever happen so they can have that opportunity because they weren't like able to formulate their story.

Like I just had everything written out and I was starting to structure it.

And I'm like, this is about ready to wrap up.

You need to be a part of this.

So yeah, I don't know.

I think you take some of your insanity and try to have some sanity with it and say, like, this is what we're going to do.

And I even do do that till this day even this week with the things that take years to make that I've been working on you have to just say like God gave me this this is gonna happen with or without you you can either take part you can be a part of this million dollar idea or you can go piss it away and I think like that's kind of where like me and teen mom fall out straight up.

Right.

No, and I can see that looking back, I can see all of that.

I am shocked to hear that they were giving everyone the opportunity to do a book deal because I got turned down by six publishing houses before they offered me anything.

That's really upsetting.

And I don't know if it was like the difference between teen mom and teen mom two.

Like maybe there was a.

You know, okay, so I want to talk about this if you're open to talking about it.

I feel like that there is a very big, even when I see teen mom three.

Like, look, I'm not trying to study teen mom.

I've had enough of teen mom, but I do feel like there's just like a disparity.

There's like something that's not equal.

There's something that's not right.

When I see from OG teen mom to

another,

you know, level of teen mom coming in and also other women on teen moms from the franchise internationally that have reached out to me.

I feel like they've just been

dropped in disarray.

And I think that I've always advocated when I've been hired, fired, fired, hired, like back and and forth.

I'm like, there has to be something

that helps people bounce back and go in to life in a normal way.

And to me, that was

the trauma center, the intensive healing center that MTV did pay for after I was like fired, I think like three times.

And then they needed me back for their family boot camp thing to be picked up.

And I just, I can't keep coming back, getting attacked, coming back, getting attacked.

It's like financial abuse.

It's work abuse.

The stress on someone's mental and identity wears.

And lots of the people on the show have disabilities.

So it definitely affects people.

And I think an intensive trauma healing center should be offered to all of the mothers on this show and the children, the

dads involved, even the parents.

Because there's just a history of people not believing in mental health here.

And that is very toxic in a work environment.

But I do feel like the disparity of different generations of filming and teen moms, there is a lack of support completely throughout the entire franchise.

Yeah.

Did you get offered to go to a facility at any point?

And did you?

I did.

And you went?

Because I kept saying, there needs to be something here for me.

I mean, like, to what degree do you just keep asking for money?

I'm sorry.

Like, I will always have the legal upper hand to get more and more money from people.

But to what extent does brokenness,

if you're broke or if you're rich,

what is the common denominator that helps you that we weren't given in public school?

It's recovery skills, which I wasn't given nor around, nor did anyone want me to be around recovery skills.

Because if you have recovery skills, you're a powerhouse.

And that was taken away from me for, what, over a decade longer.

You know, you can't heal you get sick.

And they just wanted to keep you sick.

So, yeah, once I got that, I'm, you know, I'm pretty much no longer allowed to be brought back because

I'm intelligent now.

I know, like, I could do my own stuff.

Right.

But I also don't believe in abuse and manipulation.

So when I do create now, it's not in that way.

Sophia, how do you feel when you hear your mom talk about this stuff?

I support everything she says, honestly.

And

yeah, I appreciate the support.

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Just the strength and like the knowledge, the self-awareness of it all.

Because I think that, I mean, you, in my experience with teen mom, you have to go like beg for help.

It's not just offered.

Do you know?

Yeah, I don't beg.

Like,

I'm pretty strong with my stuff.

So it's either

I've done this enough, like, you know, I repeat enough.

I'm tired of repeating.

It's not if I'm broke.

It's not if I'm wealthy.

It's this is wrong.

We need to fix it.

My identity has taken like a huge hit over and over and over again.

And how do you fix that?

It's recovery skills.

It's not money.

And when you say you were fired three times, I was under the impression that they gave you the option, you know, if you'll stop the sex toy thing, I think at the time.

And are you comfortable talking about this in front of Sophia?

Yeah, I mean, sexual health and wellness.

Wow.

You know.

Anyone could talk about it.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

But it just,

I remember the whole scandal during that time.

And thought it was like you weren't actually fired.

It was like they gave you a choice, either stop this or and stay on teen mom or don't stop this and you can't be on the show.

I'm also an adult woman.

Right.

And I agree.

Yeah.

So if you open the door and look outside of teen mom to the real life that we all live in,

yeah.

Any woman's doing whatever she wants.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And if anyone else gets

fired or something else happens in their work life from their personal life, that's also a lawsuit that's not tolerated in other work environments and which you did yeah yeah do you think that opened the doors for you to explore only fans

like you're i don't explore anything just so anyone knows like i don't really explore that um i think in life when you do so well things are naturally attracted to you it's in your natural alignment was i a hot mess and that's what adult entertainment really kind of is.

Yeah, that was in my alignment at the time.

And then I was just like, you know, getting sex trauma therapy.

I was trying to figure out what all this is because people are sex shaming me, which isn't okay either.

And so then when you have advocates and you have therapists and then you just really know what it's about, it's like, I never was doing anything wrong.

I'm creating sexual health and wellness products, selling out worldwide because apparently there is this need for women and men, which I'm happy that I did that.

And the company that had that, the manufacturer, sold out three times, made other people millionaires.

And I got to travel the world.

I got to see other things.

I got to learn about other people being shamed in their sex lives, learned that it's not okay.

And I should never have tolerated the firing and like the mental abuse from that shaming.

And I think, again, it just goes back to me: like, you're a teen mom

and shame, rejected, and blamed.

And I just got to say, like, if we look outside of this disgusting world that is just not correct and it's sinking,

it's teen teens were never included in equality and inclusion of proper contraception.

And I have like a change.org thing about it right now, a petition.

And if we were, like if we had a new law and I go get a lobbyist and I go make this happen,

because 16-year-old boys are online right now searching for inclusion and how they can within their age.

But yet if we're older,

then we get all these contraception things, like vasectomy is like everything.

You get to go plan your

fertility, you get to go save this, and then choose to have family.

So, it's like when people say this is not the right time for you, or they say you shouldn't be a part of something,

they're not living your life.

They have no jurisdiction to shame, blame, or reject you, especially if they're not helping, if they're not doing a petition, if they're not trying to do something for the next generation or anyone, then they should just be quiet because everyone's been quiet for so long, leaving teens out of the equation of contraception and sex that it's disturbing and disgusting to me and then judging me.

So yeah, I feel like everything has been timely.

I'm happy that I've been a part of adult entertainment to whatever degree that I felt comfortable with.

I'm happy I've won AVNs for novelty toys, videos I didn't edit and chop up, and I made other people millionaires.

I'm happy that I've had the life that I've had.

I literally don't regret anything.

I think if anything, I need to push harder on inclusion and equity for teens who are turning into adulting.

Like when I look back right now, I feel like I'm almost really doing the best at adulting out of my cast straight up.

Financially, education-wise, looking back at it, living it, full circling it.

I am so grateful for never being like, oh, I need to go like crawl in a corner and not be in my divine divine femininity because men are telling me they're going to fire me.

Yeah, well, what if you just don't even need the show?

Right.

Right.

And then I blossomed and then I just, you know, I could stay in my house for five years and not need to walk out.

I mean, it's just so nice.

Sophia, you're laughing.

How do you feel about that?

She's like, get the heck out of the house, Sagittarius.

Are you crazy?

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I guess like,

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Little, little.

I didn't know what it was.

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you do OF TV, like, do you have your podcast on OF TV?

A lot of my I'm not on OnlyFans.

Oh, like, I have no idea anything about it, but I you can make like you know, I know whatever you, whatever.

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So, you don't have to just have sex on there.

OF TV is a regular channel.

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I had no idea.

This is the first time I'm ever hearing of any of this.

So, you're making money from OnlyFans, not from like doing doing explicit content.

No, it's OFTV.

Okay, so I think that there's a

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I think people are thinking about it.

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Everyone, like there's boatloads of talent that is just joining OnlyFans because of OF TV, right?

You have to have the OnlyFans, it's a pipeline, right?

Okay.

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I'm not talking to someone who doesn't know here,

but it's a pipeline and it works.

So numbers-wise, would you be willing to give an like a ballpark number of what you've made on OnlyFans as a whole today?

Okay.

Yeah, it's millions.

Millions of dollars.

I'm not, I'm not sure.

You don't have to specify, but so millions of dollars off of OnlyFans, whether it be OF TV or, you know, explicit content, millions of dollars in a short time.

Yes, of course.

Millions of dollars a year, millions of dollars

given, taken from me from OnlyFans.

So it's lucrative.

Actually, I don't think my page is ever going to be deleted.

So

it's crazy.

And then basically, how do you balance an OnlyFans job or jobs or

channel while raising Sophia?

Because there's a misunderstanding, I think.

Okay.

Well, I think if Sophie is age-appropriate, I mean, I don't know.

Sophia's not ever really around, like, unless I'm bringing her to podcasts, she's

doing her own thing.

If I'm having my own

personal, like, I don't know, you know, some things are just not age-appropriate, right?

It's like, you don't go look at your girlfriend making her own, like, new topless, right?

So it's, yeah.

But I have to say, I don't, I just, like, we have our own spaces in our own house to do whatever we want to do there.

Um, but yeah, we, yeah, whatever is age appropriate, but that's probably not so age appropriate, right?

So you just keep them separate and you're able to function, live your lives, still have respect for your mom, still be able to parent, and just keep everything separate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just as simple as that.

Yeah, it's everything's pretty simple, right?

Like, yeah.

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I'm not dating right now.

You have any desire to date right now?

I guess I am on dating navs.

I guess.

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We were talking about Raya this morning.

I feel like Raya is just not where I need.

I mean, I also did a dating, like, coaching program.

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has their own career, is business-minded.

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yeah, and who can just, you know, embrace family life because that's very important to me.

So, those are kind of like my top ones.

Do you have any deal breakers?

Like, for me, I won't date someone with kids.

Like, what would your

wow

head down pretty, pretty far?

But, what do you have any?

You know, I do feel, I have to say, though, I like psychoanalyzed why I choose to date people with no children, and it just because I really feel like it comes from ease, right?

All the attention can be on me.

It can be fun.

It can go into fantasy land.

We don't have responsibilities.

It's like life's so easy.

But I also feel like when I do date someone who has children and does not children, or does not children like I children, does not parent like I parent, that is, I don't like challenge.

Like one of the things like my relationship coaches say is like when a man challenges you, that is never going to be a good relationship.

And I've often seen no matter how much money someone has no matter how much wealth and nannies and whatever that they may have we still will not sometimes see eye to eye on how to parent and that is very disturbing to try to get close to someone and have a complete rift somewhere in there so that's why I do probably tend to date people who don't have children but it's also kind of frustrating when people put pressure on me when I date them who don't have children who want children and they're all like nervous.

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I'm like, honestly, is it even worth the brain power thinking of this?

No, you just, you go right through it.

So you figure it out.

But I feel like that's the thing.

I also don't, I don't wonder anymore.

I feel like I got the PhD in parenting.

And so that's kind of like, now I really have to focus to see if someone's wanting children or not.

So yeah, am I dating?

I do date.

Do I prioritize dating?

I don't.

And it's dude, it's like I got like

5,000 boyfriends online.

You know what I'm saying?

And honestly, when I want a gift, I want a gift.

When I want to go shop, I want to shop.

When I want to go on a trip, I want to go on a trip.

Most men who you get in a real relationship with can't just go do that.

And yeah, so maybe when I'm like 40.

You know, if I want to chill, I'll do that.

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How, Sophia, how would you feel if your mom was in a serious relationship?

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Um, I mean, in her past relationship that lasted like nine months, I was kind of iffy about it because I was so used to just

me and my mom and having a guy around that pretty much wasted her time.

It was like

he was crossing boundaries, right?

We had to talk about that, yeah, yeah.

Um,

and that's why he was in therapy with me every week.

And I'm gonna just say it like it is, ladies.

You could throw the whole sink at someone, you could be their therapist, you can have them have a therapist, relationship, relationship therapist.

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But, like,

I was like, my therapist, our therapist was like, if he'll buy me a house, I might hit him up.

Where is this man at?

Oh, he's in a deep dungeon off into the distance.

Yeah, he got

exiled, but

he got exiled.

He'll never come out of the hole.

So, but what is, do you feel like you are on a different level than most men?

Because I feel like between TV, comedy, you know,

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And then obviously the money you make has to be intimidating to some men.

Like, I always joke about the women in first class who like look at me like I'm the scum of the earth when I get in first class and they think they're better than me.

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So, do you ever think about that while you're dating?

And you're like, I need to date someone on my same playing field, but what is our playing field, right?

Like, where are we in this playing field?

Because I live in Dover, Delaware.

Nobody's going to ever make as much money as me there.

Like, okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, there's just nowhere for, like, I can't date on my same playing field.

So, what about you?

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And that is the best way I can answer that.

Again, my dating coaches showed me this.

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I'm a part of this huge alumni of women who are all over the world.

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And, you know, sometimes you will meet these impostors.

And once you meet your impostors in your dating life, like I have, I'm sure you have, everyone has, you then just only you wait and you know for the right one.

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It's like

I just make everyone go away from me.

I just want to go eat dinner, and like someone will chime in, and it ends up being a billionaire.

Like, and I'm not trying, I don't have to try.

It's literally reset your aura, reset, have your vision.

Again, the Michelangelo effect, your top five, and you just go for it.

And again, they had us doing journals.

I read over 40 books.

I did 12 modules.

I did more and more personal work.

And I think that's all the difference.

And so, when a guy comes all the time on a date

and he hasn't done his personal work, and I'm like, oh, you remind me of, and I'm talking nice and I'm talking casual.

I'm figuring it out.

And it's like, okay, we're going to be friends.

Like, I have no problem being nice right away.

I actually don't show up for many dates.

I'll make them do Zoom dates.

And they rave about the Zoom date.

They still want to date me.

They still want to buy me trips.

They still want to do everything.

But a lot of men, that's this is the thing.

It's like, they are not secure.

You cannot cure insecurity.

If you come into something with insecurity, it will come out.

And that's what

the thing is with one of the relationships that Sophia is talking about, one of the recent one, like last year one, I haven't been really dating seriously since, is the insecurity.

I allowed his insecurity of lack of self-development in my relationship sphere.

And I should never have allowed that.

As a good person, as a good friend, I should have just said, like, God bless you, but I was too kind.

A lot of moms are too kind, so it's just like, don't be kind in your relationship.

Like, when you go to get pants and you know your ass is fat, and you try to make this work, and it just doesn't work.

I can't hop, I can't jump, I can't get the zippery done, I can't put on the button, I can't, you know, blow my brains out about how to get these jeans on.

You just move on to the next jeans.

Okay, so how do you women will drive themselves crazy over men, but what you got to learn is there's nothing to get crazy about.

There will be a right man.

There are so many good men out there.

And there is sadly a lot of people who are still lost in the sauce of trying to figure out themselves.

And that's not our journey.

So

I can't do that.

You know, I developed one amazing human right here, my daughter.

And, you know, men who weren't developed by their parents, they see me and they're like, oh,

and it's like the holy grail.

But I am not here to develop someone else unless you're going to pay me $50,000.

Like I paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to be the person who I am today.

There's a price on that.

So yeah, when people are like, oh my God, you make men pay to talk to you.

You make, yeah,

I'm a person of value and quality.

I improve their life.

And women really need to look at themselves as improving people's lives, expanding men's worlds.

Men pay for that.

That's what they want.

So how do you teach Sophia this?

Do you just watch this and you are taking mental notes?

Sophia wasn't just learning this.

No, no, no.

I had to back up and go get success coaches and therapists and just remove myself because at a time

a guy who was lost was trying to put a wedge between our great transparent relationship.

I think I've learned from her mistakes.

Yeah.

So you take in, like when she's talking about, you said something about the 12 step principles.

Yeah.

do you guide of life which can we talk about that in a second yeah they're free for anyone so do you take that in and you're like taking notes and trying to like retain that for whenever you decide to be in a relationship like are you using yeah yeah i mean 12 stubs definitely doesn't only help with relationships it really does

but it also it mostly helped me with my mental health over the years.

Right.

If your spiritual melody is ever off in life, like again, in yoga, you you have a guide.

12-step principles is a guide to life.

You'll often see it in churches, recovery programs.

Tony Robbins has it for his finances.

The relationship program that I was talking to you about that's worldwide, Fleece's Shield, she took what she learned in the 12-step program, she applied it to relationships.

And that's why people have such a high success rate.

So 12-step principles is...

anywhere and everywhere in life and when you get off of those in work like i was just saying like i'm not gonna go run run myself ragged for comedy.

Like, so many I'm seeing, I'm balanced, and that's what I was taught to do.

And like, I took two years off so I could just get this in my life.

Um, so yeah, it's brotherly love.

It's like, honestly, I don't want to say it like this, but it's common sense things.

But the world gets heavy, we kind of get out of that common sense and we run ourselves down.

And 12-step principles will always help you flourish.

And I think, like, that's the easiest way I can say it without being like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

but I do have this on my YouTube.

I literally opened up my 12-step Trauma program booklet on my YouTube Sophia and I we talk about the 12-step principles and our parent and child relationship on fearlessly female podcasts.

It's only on like our YouTube like members area for people with my master class.

So I think it's not like for you know even when you put it up for free it's not for people who

you have to really want the 12 steps.

Okay.

Like, I've had so many people at my 12-step program for intensive healing, and they just get out of there and want to go be homeless and get back to drugs and get back to running themselves ragged.

So, when you want it, you figure out your low point, every low point's different,

and yeah, then you get it, and life is amazing, really.

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Like, your entire,

I guess, journey of elevating yourself?

Yeah, so ketamine I used in December of this last year.

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And my body has been through a lot of things.

And honestly, if I wasn't figuring out what I was doing and taking, I probably wouldn't be the healthiest person right here before you.

So yeah, if anyone's hearing this, you know, there's been a lot of discrepancies.

Doctors making videos of me and ketamine this week, which I wasn't really cool with.

So I never did ketamine for,

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I think it's a little like

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I did not ever do ketamine for anything with my parents.

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I have bigger things going on than old stuff that I've already done therapy on.

You know, there's just like a magnitude again

with this whole full circle thing of

Sophia turning 16.

And I was very much,

I had a traumatizing event when I was 16, which her dad passed away.

And yeah, that's been, you know,

with recovery skills and everything, that's been severely challenging for me even this year because,

yeah, I would love for someone to be here.

Yeah.

And it probably was full circle because she had just turned 16 and, you know, you have to relive all of that.

Yeah, I remember her father turning 16.

I remember him graduating at this time.

I remember him dying.

You know, I remember all of these things.

And that is so heavy on someone's mind.

And so the only way that you can re-correct these things after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on recorrecting this is, hey, like, I need to go open up my brain.

Okay.

I need to go make new like

pathways.

And I think if anyone's hearing something about ketamine, is

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We have so much traumas in our lives that we normalize.

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I get really bothered about that.

I also have like legal issues and things that are going on.

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And how do you feel about your mom doing Kettering?

I don't really think anything of it.

I mean, Sophia took me to Kettering.

That's my next question.

So you drove her.

You drove her to the appointment.

So do you watch the appointment then or do you sit in the waiting room?

No one's allowed to be in the room with you.

Okay, and so when you are in an altered state of mind, would we call it?

Yeah.

In the room.

Right.

So a

genuine question here is like, what if the doctor did something to you?

Like, are you in, are you that far out of it that you wouldn't know or would you?

So I'm not getting these injected.

I think some people, there's many ways of doing ketamine.

I do it like two, I put it in my cheek.

I am highly aware about anything, honestly.

And ketamine also makes you highly aware of everything.

Again,

your brain is opening up bigger than it's probably ever been opened.

You're like, oh, whoa.

And you see things, you hear things, you're highly aware of things.

So I don't really think that anyone could ever take advantage.

No one's ever tried that in there.

I think they're honestly probably scared of people when they're going.

I think my staff get scared, maybe,

and

they are so professional there.

My people are going through whatever the Academy needs to do to reset and get them focused on their successful journey.

I call it a higher self.

They let it all go.

Okay, so it's not like you're high and out of control.

You're also on camera.

Oh, okay.

See, I've never, I the only other

people stop so a lot of people stop going in person with insurance and doctors because they get freaked out that they're on camera obviously I don't care if I'm on camera but I actually appreciate that extra security because it is a what if you're different every time you go in there and these professionals really know how to handle people in every kind of different situation and I've seen people

be so different every time walking in and out of there.

So again, I wouldn't want anyone to judge me and I definitely don't judge them.

They are highly professional.

Go be yourself.

Go get your therapy.

Be a freak show.

Do whatever you got to do.

Be a freak show.

So how long does the

two hours?

I'm there for two hours.

Okay.

Okay.

I feel like that's doable, but you're not under any sort of

influence when you leave.

Because that scares me.

It scares me to think about like still being high or something after I leave and I have to go function in real life.

Like I got, I have seven kids.

I have to raise them.

You know what I mean?

Like I gotta.

You're gonna raise these kids way better after ketamine.

I just, I gotta say, it's like, I'm telling you, moms.

I understand

on ketamine, basically, the healthy way.

I mean, I only think like for moms is like, you need to have anti-nausea medication.

I think a lot of people are like, whoa, I'm so like on something.

No, you're actually like nauseated from ketamine, but you're think you think you could be tripping.

And I think lots of people are not knowledgeable about that.

So once i because i never got like sick when i was pregnant i don't get sick when i'm on cruises or anything you know i don't really get sick and nauseated uh but ketamine did and i didn't know what it was for the first three times and then i was like i was like whoa i was really like bonkers there for like all night and she's like you are nauseated with ketamine so now they give me like two little like tablets that you dissolve for your stomach and digestion.

But do that, guys.

You'll be fine.

Would you support Sophia if she wanted to do ketamine?

Yeah.

I mean, I honestly think, I probably feel like a lot of children who either have a lot of stress, go through a lot of stress, go through public eye, any of that stuff, if you go through trauma, again, I highly recommend ketamine.

I think as I've been hearing from my doctors, the future with recovery and anything that children or adults go through, this is like their go-to.

And mostly it's usually saving people in life-threatening situations, like not an EpiPen, but they're shooting people with ketamine to save their lives right now, whether it's children or adults.

I actually didn't know that off camera.

We started talking about plastics.

Would you support

things?

Yeah, I mean, I'm not a stranger to a little nip and tuck, but would you support Sophia if she wanted came to you at 18 and was like, I want to get some stuff done?

I mean, I think it's just part of life.

I think it's part of being a woman.

And so, yeah, I mean, we know what

we know what's good, right?

We get a doctor's opinion.

We know what we, you know, can and can do for our body anatomy.

And I think, you know, you got to stick to a professional with it.

Do you think the work that you've had done has influenced your mom to get work done?

Or do you think that she was?

I also think just anyone who is definitely their senior is totally going to get work done.

Yeah.

So

I don't think I'm anyone's muse for getting their work done.

I think everybody should, again, do preventative, should take care of themselves.

Again, it's just more recovery time, it's more money if you just hold it up.

I mean, I, you know, I think I was like the first person in my family in general to be open to plastic surgery, to aesthetics, to taking care of my health and wellness better than anyone I've ever seen in my family.

They definitely had some words to say about that when that started.

And so I went and I did it myself because, yeah, and I'm very happy that I take care of my health, wellness, beauty, aesthetics, skin.

It pays off.

So I'm happy and I'm happy that my family is doing it.

What is the relationship with your family?

I don't really have like a communication with them.

Again, like

I break trauma bonds.

So if there's trauma, I'm not really sitting in that anymore.

So

I'm cordial with them.

I'm cordial with my parents.

You know, they loved my comedy thing.

Were they there?

No, they were not there.

They were not invited.

I mean, a lot of people weren't weren't invited, but they still showed up.

So they weren't there, but did they support you?

Did they text you, call you, anything?

They liked it.

Yeah.

They just text me.

I really don't take calls with my family anymore.

I really have my own boundaries that are healthy.

And

I think once you stop trauma, but I feel like a lot of people don't understand this.

When you care about someone so much and you actually love them and you want what's best for someone, breaking a trauma bond within your family that is so deep is a healing, most beneficial thing that you can ever do for anyone in your life.

So when I now check in with them and they're doing, you know, they have their own lives.

It's not codependence.

It's not unhealthy.

It's not integrated.

It's not all, it's like not a mess anymore.

They have their own identities.

They have their own lives.

They don't, you know,

rely on me to support them in any way or fashion.

And again, that's against my 12-step principles.

So I live life in a healthier way.

I am so proud of my half-sister.

I'm so proud of my cousins.

I'm so proud of my dad.

I'm so proud of my mom.

And people, as we saw, on teen mom, you know, were like, oh, you can't just X everybody out of your life and be on your own.

And it's not really about hating or disliking people or anything else.

It's really seeing what is healthier and better for everyone.

And I'm so grateful that I did that because now everyone is really doing better flourishing in their own way, and that's just a testament to stop trauma bonds.

So, you're saying that it wasn't only beneficial for you, it was beneficial for them too.

For sure, it is.

Yeah, and and Sophia, how do you feel?

Do you have contact with them, or do you sort of put up your own boundaries as well and and interact in that way?

Um, I choose not to contact them, okay?

And I'm glad by that.

I thought I remembered you having a sister.

I didn't realize she was a half-sister on the either 16 and pregnant or something.

And you don't have contact.

Is your whole family in Idaho?

Iowa.

Iowa.

Iowa.

Do you ever go back?

In Austin, Texas.

I love Iowa.

I miss Iowa.

Shout out to the big O Omaha, Iowa.

It's, you know, those cities, the states.

I love it.

Midwest area, you can't get anything better.

Midwest raised, you can't find anything better.

But I think, you know, with again, keeping distance, respecting other people's space,

leaving things open.

Again, I'm not creating any more trauma bonds in my life.

So if that's like leave it on hold and don't fly into a city that you take over, I can't just like walk into small cities and not anyone know that I'm there.

So I respect that for them and for myself.

And I just, I stay out of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I understand that.

You did say that they don't rely on you or anything.

Did you previously support them?

Yeah.

Financially?

Yeah.

Just because you were on TV and then your career kind of exploded and then you just started taking care of your family financially?

I don't know why or how it all succumbs to that, but I think a lot of people, even if they're not family, they get bombarded with, hey, can you, you know, pay for this?

Can you do this?

Can you do that?

Da-da-da-da-da-da all the time.

So yeah, that's unhealthy.

That's what gets to 12 steps.

But you were helping people when they asked at first?

Yeah.

I think we've all been there.

I mean, whether we were on the show or not, we've all helped somebody, but it was to the point that it was unhealthy.

Totally is.

It's really unhealthy in any situation.

Codependence is financially or codependence emotionally is not healthy.

I have been, I feel like, in a very unique situation because nobody, my family members have never asked me for a dime.

So I find that to be so fascinating.

Like I have a hard time.

Yeah.

It's not everyone's experience, but

and I mean, lastly, what do you, where do you see yourself with comedy, parenting, all of the things things in the next six months?

I don't know, elevated.

Another comedy show?

Yeah, you did invite me to the last comedy show.

I couldn't make it.

Would you do another one, you think, in the next, by the end of the year?

Or do you think you're going to slow it down?

So May is looking like it's insane.

So like we're even having like double shows the same day.

So I'm just trying to take some April off.

May is going to be fun.

It's also Mother's Day, moth.

And who doesn't want to be like in a beach and have, you know, just bliss and greatness and then good mom times and good laughs um so yeah i think may i'll probably just like

divulge like some tour dates again i also just don't like to say things super in advance right i just know like something crazy is going to show up so when it's up it's up if you show up you show up and if you don't it's all good i love that and what about you sophia do you have any plans for the rest of the year like goals

um places you want to visit i mean a big goal is going on icon of the seas cruise ship this summer I love how we skip school.

We're just on to the seas.

Yeah.

I mean world school right?

She's learning while she's on the cruise.

Always.

I mean I really want to study more music this year and get into music production.

Okay.

And focus on singing and making music.

Do you play any instruments?

I do.

I play electric guitar.

I used to do piano, but it's kind of like faded.

Do you showcase any of that on social media?

Like your guitar or anything like that?

Not really, but I plan on doing it once I learn a few songs and eventually make my own songs.

That would be awesome.

And I know that you have a mom that's been in the music industry, so she'll be able to call Pauline.

Hello,

so that'll be awesome.

And I feel like social media is such a good way to like showcase talents and build a brand.

And so you have that right at your fingertips, which is amazing.

So I'm really creative for the

creative.

It's so fun.

So where are your kids today?

They're all at school right right now, and except for the babies, obviously, and they're home and they're just thriving.

I just got a text from Isaac while we were taking a break.

He got into,

he's 15.

So he's a fresh.

You would be a sophomore.

You're a sophomore?

Yeah.

So he's a freshman.

He got picked for the shop that he wants to do in his high school.

Like you do the different shops and then you go into the like academies that you

want to do.

Okay.

So he got into his and he's so, so excited.

What was like the theme or what?

So there's like broadcasting, nursing um teaching and so he wants to do asl interpreting so he's big into sign language and so he did that he's doing the teacher academy so that he can eventually teach sign language um so that he literally texted that to me when we were getting touch-ups and i was like

i gotta send him something yeah um i love sign language do you well i i got sophia

yeah did you i got sophia so many sign language books i even saw them the other day and i was like should i be keeping these i love sign language There was just a lot of people, like Iowa School of the Deaf.

And so, like, some of them would come to my public school.

And I just always befriended people who really use

sign language.

I love that.

Isaac wants to make sign language available and have like the basic signs for everybody, like make it more inclusive.

That's his goal.

So that's amazing.

And I know that he'll love to hear that story.

Yeah.

That'll be really cool.

He, there's a woman that works at our Target who is deaf and she uses sign sign language, and so he was able to speak with her in sign language, which was really cool.

Isn't that awesome?

Yeah, I don't know what it is.

I just like it.

Oh, I love that.

People are saying that you were slammed because Jersey Shore, Angelina's ex, I guess, went to your show, your comedy show.

Yeah, again, I can't control who shows up.

Right, right.

And obviously, the bigger names that are there, I don't, I don't even know his name, Vinny, I guess.

He wrote it down for me.

And we're probably like, is it Binny from the OG Jersey Shore?

Because like, we don't know this other Vinny.

Right.

So, yeah, not that Vinny, who also does comedy.

Oh, right.

I forgot that he just started comedy.

Yeah, so weird.

Would you ever partner with him?

So, he used to reach out to me, and my team did invite him.

They were like, He's not being responsive.

I extended a personal invite, didn't respond.

And again, I really do feel like, and I hope whoever hears this, if you're in comedy and you have a brand,

it does such a disservice to let your ego get in the way of something and for the amazing talented OG comedians I'm even seeing with on this trip they always are helpful yeah there's no competition they are not concerned or worried like they give me agents they give me comedy tour agents there is no competition and I think like with dating like in real life it's like whoa whoa whoa like what's what is this hatred or like anything that's blocking you when you used to

you know, like want to hang out, but now it's like there's no competition.

So I do feel like,

yeah, I don't know.

And I don't really know about everyone's mental state.

So I think also like

with this whole Angelina situation

and this Vinny's situation,

that...

That was like disturbing.

I don't like to be wrapped in to

someone else's dating issues, woman issues, their problems, mistreatment of other people

in general.

And yeah, that's what that was.

It was like a little woman abuser situation and trying to get me into that.

And there's just so many unhealthy men out there that I really have a huge boundary for that.

And I definitely just like cut it off.

like right away.

And apparently his mental health was impacted.

So I hope I I hope with everyone spreading their trauma and their mental health around problems to other women, they understand like this woman just stops it here.

And I will always vouch for other women.

Even women who are in like narcissistic simulations and who are lost.

And even if they hate me saying what I got to say,

it's really just for the betterment of all women.

And I'm happy other women who was dating came forward.

They got to speak about what they were going through.

They were also moms, I guess.

And, you know, it's kind of been like the same situation with my sexual assault.

16 other women came forward.

And if this voice didn't stand up and say something, where would women be helped?

They would just be in silent suffering.

And that's not what I want for women.

No, absolutely not.

Especially when you're raising a daughter.

A lot of people are raising daughters.

Yeah.

Hopefully they get with the program.

Yeah.

I just had a daughter, my first one, Sophia.

I don't know if you know.

I have six boys.

No, tell what's up.

I have six boys and a girl.

And the girl only came because she had a boy twin.

Whoa.

So, yeah.

So I just had a daughter.

It's definitely new, but that was one of the first things that I thought when I had her was, oh my gosh, like the thing, yes, it can happen to boys, but women are suppressed and oppressed and all of the things.

And so I just think about, you know, women who stand up for women is what we need.

So well, your little lady is going to be standing up straight up to all of her brother

brothers.

I hope so.

I hope so.

Or I hope they are.

I hope they stand up for her.

I hope they, you know, that they collectively have a voice and

can can speak.

Where do your sons stand

with women and females?

And I don't know because of their schools and their influences.

What are you seeing collectively in your sons that you're raising in public school?

Because I took my daughter out of that.

The boys were a mess, attacking my daughter,

talking about my sex life, even in kindergarten.

And I was just like, whoa, boys were not like this when I was in kindergarten.

I just even got like bumps up my leg because it was so disturbing to me.

And also the parents of these sons, you know, God bless these young boys who are just literally lost, but you're at a 10 out of 10 school.

You're in like an amazing environment.

I just didn't understand how that was happening at school.

So how do your sons

get those impacts and deal with it?

I we haven't had any experience so far with people coming up to my kids.

I think that they understand that we're sort of well known in our area, but that's sort of the extent of it.

I don't have those same coming home and talking about sex and things like that.

So I think that's actually really disturbing.

I will say that I have noticed, and I don't know if it's similar to you.

I mean, my sons are being raised by a single mom.

They do also have like their stepmoms and, you know, their dads are with their partners.

And so they have sort of a unique perspective.

from me because they see me do things by myself and the hard things by myself.

And so they understand that women are just as strong as men.

And they've never questioned that.

That's been their understanding since day one.

So I think I hope, and I do worry about it on a regular basis, like my

sons growing up to be productive, stand-up men in society and have character and morals and things like that, especially when it comes to women.

And you're saying that this is a benefit, right?

Because like our, I would say that community, it was mostly women.

So in this community, like if we're looking at, because you're like, oh, my sons have like a, you know, a girl male figure, like, all around them.

But in our community, all the men would work.

I was the only working mom.

I also owned three stores in the community, sponsored all the football teams, cheerleaders, all the kids.

Like, I was Jesus.

But the men were so, like, my neighbor sold his house in a day because he couldn't stand.

Like, it was like Disneyland at my house.

And it wasn't that that over at their house.

And it created a very bad dynamic of spoiling.

And like, we got a pony, and like, their kids want to come over, and I can't because their parents are crazy to me.

Um, and then, like, their wives would just stay at home, so it was like stay-at-home wives.

Some were getting killed by their husbands.

That was very worrisome in that neighborhood.

Some were being abused around the holidays.

That was very worrisome.

And so, yeah, I was like, I don't think suburbs are for me.

Like, if the women just stay at home, the men kind of abuse them.

They're like,

it was like not a vibe.

And maybe that's why the children came to school the way that they did.

Okay.

If you're saying, I'm just trying to play this

child development here is playing a role in how men treat or young young boys treat young girls and what's age appropriate and how we talk to people.

That was just super appalling to me because I wasn't raised like that.

I wonder if my sons, and I hope they are,

turn out to be a little bit different simply for the fact that they're watching their mom

be the breadwinner and working my ass off and working 12 jobs and opening a new business.

And so they're not seeing what you're describing.

My kids are not seeing that.

They're seeing the opposite where I'm the working mom and the dads are staying home, most of them.

Do you like stay at home dads?

Why did that ever happen?

I'm so sorry.

That's a great question.

I think this goes back to your conversation about the playing field yeah but i'm like you know you better than anyone else so it's like i'd rather ask who you were then and who you are now right as we're all you know growing here um because yeah i don't put up with that i think that where i live um in delaware there's not somebody on my playing field ever whether it be you know their mindset their finances their goals like where we live does not provide them with no matter how they grew up whether they met me or they met somebody else does not give them the opportunity to be bigger or better than me so I don't really like my pool is limited but you can date like here anywhere and get cheated on why would you be cheated on because they are out of state I've dated someone in different countries and never been cheated on

I think I need to take the 12-step program.

I need to do the principal.

I think you should share your program.

I'm like, why are you even thinking you would be cheated on

no none of those thoughts okay so i i'm gonna you're gonna have to connect me with the the goals the the relationship

men though sign some ndas oh they all are signing ndas for sure all seeming to sign ndas i um and you know what that's another thing that you sign ready

i got mine unlocked do you that's how you won't ever find the guy with like who just buys millions of million dollar houses and houses and houses because that's locked away Do you, have you ever had a problem with people trying to sell you out after a fallout?

Yeah.

So initially when I was on Team Mom, the guy who actually initially got me to go visit Austin, Texas, where we ended up,

that gentleman ran right to e-news and was saying how a horrible mom I was and all this stuff.

But he,

I didn't even date him that long.

And I was just like, you know what?

I'm never having this happen again because he's on covers of magazines.

He's in magazines.

I'm like, you know, again, power tripping.

I don't have any space for egotistical power tripping and hatred.

And that's what runs rampant in undeveloped men.

And so I just don't allow it.

Right, right.

I think that's fair.

I think that's good.

It's a good example to set for Sophia.

I'm sure you feel good about that.

And you're not going to take any shit from anyone moving forward.

Friends,

family, men, women, anybody.

I think that sets the tone and the standard very high for your daughter.

Yeah.

Soph's got a great boyfriend and

a great family.

He lives out of state and doesn't cheat.

Wow.

Imagine that.

Imagine that.

Imagine that.

He flies on in.

We fly on out there.

And

he's homeschooled as well.

And

yeah, a great family.

He has brothers and sisters my age.

We're older.

And yeah, his mom's cool.

Yeah, it's so easy.

I love that.

Shout out to Utah.

I like some Utah people.

Would you ever get a house in Utah?

Have someone buy you a house in Utah?

I don't know.

Sophia definitely wants.

Yeah.

Like the next location.

Yeah, so we were like, oh, yeah.

But then we're like, oh, should we get a place?

And I guess we'll have like a couple places.

That's just kind of our spirit.

You've got to have the mountains there.

You do.

I've never been to Utah.

They're mesmerizing.

Oh, my gosh.

You're kids and you would love Utah.

I've never been.

If you guys like Delaware, you'd like Utah.

There's nothing in Delaware.

Have Have you been to Delaware?

I have.

You have?

Me and my family went on this coastal trip when I was younger and definitely remember Delaware, all of it.

All of it.

It's a peninsula, so it's sort of like Florida, but not as great as Florida.

And it's just flat.

There's a lot of farm.

I have a farm, so it's just regular, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, why did you stay in Delaware?

My ex-husband was stationed there for the military, and then because we had kids, and then I had more kids, can't leave now.

So we're stuck in Delaware for the

foreseeable future.

It's okay.

You're just stuck there?

Yeah.

The judge is never going to let me leave.

So.

So you're like, I'm having more children.

Yeah, I'm done having kids now, but I the judge is not going to be like, yeah, sure, take all seven kids and head on out.

Why not?

Great question.

Maybe you could ask him.

Maybe you can go advocate for the women in Delaware.

Well, why do you feel needs to be advocated for women who have moved on in relationships, who continue on families and continue wanting to see the world or whatever?

Like, where does that advocacy need to be?

Like, that's something that you need to lobby.

Yeah, I would agree with you.

Because I think that it's interesting.

You know, two of my kids' dads, they don't live in Delaware, but I do not have the luxury to be able to file and then be able to keep all my kids and take them with me.

So that's a really interesting point.

So how did the dads get to leave?

I'm sorry.

One left on his own without saying a word.

The other one did it correctly, said something.

You know, we went through a custody agreement and his job moved him.

And that was also an argument was like, well, I could have been in LA or Texas or New York for the last 10 years and I have never tried because I was under the impression that you cannot take your kids out of Delaware.

It's like a 50-50 state.

So immediately following a split, unless there are extenuating circumstances, you get 50-50 custody typically.

I see all the gaps and all this reasoning for you to just get up and go.

You're like, we'll worry about the legal aspect of it later.

Just get up and go.

You can give your notice, but you love Delaware.

I like Delaware.

I like Delaware.

I would not say I love it.

I like it.

Okay.

Yeah.

But that's all I had for you.

I'm so excited that you guys came on Barely Famous podcasts.

Shout out to Delaware.

Yeah, where can we?

Where can everyone find you on socials if you feel like sharing?

And what are you promoting?

If anything, feel free to plug it all.

We're promoting a good life for you at home.

And yeah, you can find us on our social medias, Sophia, Abraham, Farah, Abraham, Google it.

We're here, we're there, we're everywhere.

And we can't wait to see you all.

Yeah, thank you for coming.

Thank you for having us.

We love chatting.

Yes.

Yes.

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