Khloé Kardashian: I’m Done with NBA Players

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Speaker 3 Chloe Kardashian, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 3 I'm so happy to finally meet you. You are the first Kardashian to come on Call Her Daddy.
So this is a big moment.

Speaker 2 Oh, my, this is a big moment. I am a trendsetter in the family.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you are. Number one.
How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 I'm good. I'm really good.
I'm really excited to be here. I called Kim on my way here.

Speaker 3 Oh my God, was she like, don't say anything stupid. Don't give the family tea.

Speaker 2 No, I think she knows I probably will. So she's like, just think about all your answers.
I'm like, I do not think before I speak. And that's my problem.
I love it.

Speaker 3 Your mom knows you're here. Yes.
What does Chris think right now?

Speaker 2 I think she wants to be here. She was dying.
I think I was like, oh, I'm doing this at two. And she's like, if you need to call me, just at any time.
And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 So I think she really wants to be here.

Speaker 3 You're like, mom.

Speaker 2 Give me some time. This is my thing.

Speaker 1 You can come on next, next, Chris.

Speaker 2 She will.

Speaker 3 She's like, what?

Speaker 3 I'm going to get an email.

Speaker 3 You joke about how you like rarely leave your neighborhood these days. And it takes a joke.
Yeah, no, okay. No, seriously.

Speaker 3 What does it actually like take for you to get out of the house?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I would say. that for a few years and i think it started with covet i think sort of everyone became social recluses for a minute um but that was my good initiation into being a recluse.

Speaker 2 And then it took me a good four years to get out of it. I feel like this last

Speaker 2 since I've been 40, I've been 40 for like six months or something, but I feel now I'm a little more social, but I'm choosy. about where I go.

Speaker 3 I think that's good though, right?

Speaker 2 No, I think it's good, but it was unhealthy how reclusive I was and it was like only kid things and I wasn't going to do anything adult and like nobody talked to me because I hate hate humans.

Speaker 2 And now I'm like, okay, I could socialize a little bit. I have my social batteries getting turned up a smidge.

Speaker 3 Can you think of a recent time that someone forced you out of the house and you immediately regretted it?

Speaker 2 Sometimes it's the second I get in the car that I'm like, what did I like? Oh, my outfit. Like it's just how I feel.
It's too much work. And then you just have to like schmooze people.

Speaker 2 And you're like, I don't really, these aren't enjoyable conversations. They're like, it's just small talk.
And like, nobody cares what I'm doing right now with my life. Like, shut up.

Speaker 2 So it's those moments.

Speaker 2 Oh, gosh, I sound like such a grinch.

Speaker 3 But it's so, no, let me just validate you. It's so real.
Like, I was saying that to my friend the other day. I was like,

Speaker 3 I'm really losing my patience for just this like fake chatter.

Speaker 3 Like, I either want to be with my fucking family where I can just say it as it is and no one's going to get offended and we're all just talking real or I'm at work because I love doing this.

Speaker 3 Is she calling? No, it's like it's her texting.

Speaker 2 No, hold on. The queen, I'm not in glam phone call.

Speaker 2 Okay, boss.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, I'm obsessed. Oh my God.
She has to be in glam.

Speaker 3 No, no, I get it. It will just be a phone call.
I respect you.

Speaker 3 What is your favorite thing to do when you are like just chilling by yourself?

Speaker 2 Oh, by myself?

Speaker 2 Never leaving the bed. By myself, in my bed, watching TV.

Speaker 3 What are you watching?

Speaker 2 I mean, I love a documentary. I just watched shit.
Is it apple cider vinegar? Oh my God, wait. Wait, did I make that up?

Speaker 3 No, but that sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 It's the story about

Speaker 2 this

Speaker 2 health influencer from Australia that faked having cancer.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay, fascinating.

Speaker 2 And it's, it's like a two episode. She ends up not having it.
She's still on the run.

Speaker 2 and like whatever but it's fascinating so i like things like that like sort of gossipy but it's a docu i need that i love that.

Speaker 3 Okay, this is really random, but what is something in your house that may surprise people?

Speaker 2 You know, maybe by my bedside drawer is the more like, it's such like a mishmash of things. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 I thought you were going to say like your, your bedside drawer has like, I thought you'd be like, the vibrators in there. I was like, I didn't know where you were going.

Speaker 2 We have vibrators. I mean, sure, but I wasn't going to disclose all that.
But, you know, yes, in the bedside drawer. But I have like, cause I don't, so

Speaker 2 I don't smoke weed recreationally, but I have weed pens to smoke to go to sleep because I hate the feeling so much that it just knocks me. Like if I, I could never smoke and talk to you.

Speaker 3 Wait, that is an episode we have to do at one point. Oh, no, I'm nuts.

Speaker 3 What would happen?

Speaker 2 You're just, I just am like, I either will hysterically laugh the whole time. My mom and I did gummies together on the show.
And I don't know, they didn't kick in because we're not used to gummies.

Speaker 2 And we went to a restaurant and we were so high at the restaurant, and we're crying, and we ate like five bags of chips. We're just like, we're ridiculous.

Speaker 2 But so, I have people are always like, Oh, I didn't know you smoke. I'm like, I sort of don't, I just smoke to go to sleep because I have a hard time sleeping.

Speaker 3 I do the same thing, I take like a tiny edible because I don't want to be high out of my mind, right?

Speaker 3 But just enough to like put me in that zone where I'm ready to sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 Turn the brain off a little bit.

Speaker 2 And I also have something Courtney gave me for Christmas. It's called a biocharger.
What is that? Exactly. It looks like a device from Back to the Future.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if this generation knows what Back to the Future is, but it's this big ass device, like the size of this chair. And someone has to come and give you a tutorial.

Speaker 2 Also, it's like you have to ask people if they want this gift. You don't just spring it on them because where am I putting such a thing? But it is really cool, actually.

Speaker 2 It does electrocurrency and you have different, it's so Courtney. Like the more I talk, it's like totally a Courtney gift.

Speaker 3 I just was like looking through some of your quotes, and I remember you saying to Courtney, like, what's your, why don't you have Wi-Fi in this big giant fucking house?

Speaker 3 And she's like, it's not about the Wi-Fi, it's about the radiation.

Speaker 2 Nobody cares. No, we all want Wi-Fi.
Nobody cares about the radiation when it comes to their phone. No.

Speaker 3 Okay, you and your mom, Chris Jenner, obviously live next door to each other. What is the most intrusive thing that she has done since becoming your neighbor? Or are you the intrusive one?

Speaker 2 No, I feel like she's the intrusive one, but you ask her and she might have a different story.

Speaker 2 So she spies, like if ever there's cars in the driveway, because we have two different driveways, but you can see both of them.

Speaker 2 And she will always ask, like, oh, I see there's a white car outside. Whose car is that? And I'm like, I don't fucking know.
And like, stop asking me. I'm 40 years old and I have two kids.

Speaker 2 Like it's, she's very curious as to who's over there all the time.

Speaker 2 But what I found out recently that she does is when I'm not home, I guess she finds out that I'm not home and she goes in my closet and she looks at things to borrow or take.

Speaker 2 And I found that out actually today.

Speaker 3 Wait, how did you find it out?

Speaker 2 Because I asked her, I was like, God,

Speaker 2 what? Like, I just need to know what, because I keep getting alerts like. Chris Jenner is on your property.
And I'm like, but what are you doing?

Speaker 2 Like, it's always when I'm gone, do you not know that I'm not, like, that I'm I'm home or not home?

Speaker 2 And she's like,

Speaker 2 oh, well, I just wanted to look in your closet for something. I was like, well, what are you looking for? And she's like, just to see if there's anything I could borrow.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, but you could, like, to me, I'm like, you could ask. And you're doing it intentionally when I'm gone.

Speaker 3 Maybe she loves the thrill. Chris loves the thrill of snooping around.

Speaker 2 She, oh, she does. But then I'm like, well, what else are you looking through? All my drawers?

Speaker 3 I feel like I just bought my parents a house and they're going to live like

Speaker 3 10, 15 minutes away from me.

Speaker 2 No, it's the best.

Speaker 3 It is. It is.
Okay, but Chloe, you are like sharing a land with your mom. Like

Speaker 3 you, you love it.

Speaker 2 So I do love it.

Speaker 2 And especially like when you're going to have kids and all of that, that's going to be, it's what people,

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 I think people dream of stuff like this. Maybe not being directly next door where we don't even have like a property line.
We're a little too close, but 10, 15 minutes, that's such a blessing.

Speaker 2 And send your kids over there, but it's also, you don't have an, like, have your parents, like, you got to have dinners with them and there's no excuse. I think it's the best.

Speaker 3 Do your sisters think you're insane? We all live in the same gated community, but they're not directly like you can see through a window. Correct.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. So they think I'm insane, but then Kylie is the one that wishes she's like me.
She's like, I wish I was next to mom. And I'm like, well, we could always trade houses.
So yeah.

Speaker 3 I feel like a big conversation literally since all the way at the inception of Keeping Up with the Kardashians to now is: who is Chris's favorite child right now in this current moment?

Speaker 2 Who do you think it is?

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Speaker 3 Who is Chris's favorite child right now in this current moment? Who do you think it is?

Speaker 2 Right now, because it does change, but it changes on

Speaker 2 probably who's doing the most. I don't know.
But if, like, she was here, she's going to say me because I'm here.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 it always goes between Kim and Kylie, those two.

Speaker 3 But I feel like you're so rock solid with her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I am. But see, I know where I stand.
Like, I don't care. You don't bother.

Speaker 2 No, it doesn't bother me because I'm also like, girl, you're the one that calls me for everything. So we're good.

Speaker 3 You know, deep in your soul where you stand.

Speaker 2 I do. I'm not insecure about it.

Speaker 3 People on the internet always say the devil works hard, but Chris Jenner works harder. Has she ever known something about your personal life before you've known it's coming out?

Speaker 2 She has. Oh my God.
She has.

Speaker 2 More times than less, her and Kim. So I think that saying is like, cool.
I'm like, mom, that's so badass. And I think sometimes it bothers her.
And I'm like, why does that bother you? But.

Speaker 2 Kim has known

Speaker 2 about

Speaker 2 the cheating. I think both of the cheating stuff, I think Kim found out first.
I know definitely this, I think both, which is crazy before I knew.

Speaker 2 And then my mom with my ex-husband, she knew things before I did and had to tell me, or even now, like just the other day, she had to tell me something crazy.

Speaker 2 And I was like, are we okay that this is still happening?

Speaker 3 But do you like that they know before you?

Speaker 2 I would rather a family member than a stranger. Yes.
I agree. Yeah.
I don't like that any of this stuff happens, but I don't, I would rather it them. I'm not someone that gets mad at the messenger.

Speaker 3 That's a great point. And I also was thinking about it, too, when I was thinking about that.
Like, it's great to have like publicists and agents and all that.

Speaker 3 But at the end of the day, I think you guys have been so fortunate to succeed in this industry because of how many of you there are and how much you guys have each other's back.

Speaker 3 And it's like, I really admire the way that it's so clear that you guys ride for each other no matter what. And there's just a lot of people that don't have that because it's not blood.

Speaker 3 You have these people out there. And if they find something out, they're always going to have your back in these moments because that's literally your family.
So.

Speaker 2 Well, and we always say, like, we get how you see. someone that's in the limelight and then they're sort of, they spiral out of control.

Speaker 2 And I also get that because they don't have anyone else that's going through it with them.

Speaker 2 Like even if they have a family with them, if they're not in the forefront, sometimes it's really hard to understand what that person's going through.

Speaker 2 And we feel really fortunate that even at the worst of it, we're like, but at least we get it together and we can really support one another.

Speaker 2 And we can, we will, no one can ever go too far because we're like, snap out of it. We know what you're going through.

Speaker 2 You can have a bad month, a bad week, whatever, but we're there to support each other and get each other out of it.

Speaker 2 And they're not relatable conversations that you can have with like your girlfriends. And I get that.

Speaker 2 And so for you to vent these things to your friend group, they're going to be like, what are you talking about? Like, I don't care. And those aren't real problems, but they're real in my reality.

Speaker 2 So, it's nice where you have this circle of trust that you feel safe with, and you can vent about the most superficial, ridiculous things, but they matter to you at that moment.

Speaker 2 And so, it is a blessing.

Speaker 3 Well, you have mentioned that your family has multiple group chats. One of them even has ex-boyfriends in it.
Okay, tell me who's in these group chats.

Speaker 2 The one with all the baby daddies is the entire entire family group chat. And that is like my grandma, my cousin Cece.
It's like everyone.

Speaker 2 There's the OG group chat, which is just the siblings and my mom. There's sisters and mom, because maybe my brother, if we're talking about men or whatever, my brothers want to hear it.

Speaker 2 There's just sisters. Courtney's removed herself out of some group chats.
So

Speaker 2 I know she thinks, or at one point, Kim outed everyone and said there was a not Courtney group chat.

Speaker 2 That has been gone, but now there is a not Courtney group chat, but unintentionally because she left a group chat. But when people leave, I love to add them back.

Speaker 2 Like, who the fuck do you think you are? You are not leaving. And then they get pissed.
I just keep adding them.

Speaker 3 Chloe, she's like, leave me alone.

Speaker 2 Well, who runs away from a conversation? Either have it or mute us like Kennel and Kylie does.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's so fucking true. Kylie's like, I haven't seen any of your texts in four years, but I'm going to kill you.

Speaker 2 You know, at least pretend that you're in there.

Speaker 3 Okay. One of the most iconic moments was when you yelled liar at the Kardashians premiere after your ex came on.

Speaker 2 I thought you meant at the table. Both.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That was the most iconic. And then when you were back at the premiere and it was playing and you screamed liar in the crowd, like so fucking good.
You have to make light of like these like you do.

Speaker 3 Right. Dark situations.
So I'm going to tell you a crazy rumor that I read. And if it's fake, say liar.
Okay. You tuned your cat liar

Speaker 2 do I have to say liar

Speaker 2 I could do it like that okay you didn't face tune your cat no I didn't okay love that um and just so you know because I was like wow that's crazy that people would think that I tried to see if it would work in face app and it doesn't so if somebody just wanted to check you can't do it I tried because I was like, I just need to know if you fucking can because that's insane if it lets you face app an animal and you can't.

Speaker 3 Hollywood 4 does not work on the cat bitches.

Speaker 2 It does and I would say

Speaker 2 me too. Some cats need it.

Speaker 3 You and your sisters are all paid the same amount on the Kardashians. True.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 3 are you guys allowed to like cut any footage that you don't like?

Speaker 2 Yes, but

Speaker 2 it's more vanity things like that we would cut like

Speaker 2 and mainly like sometimes like my mom or something like that.

Speaker 2 But i've never i mean trust me i would have cut way other shit i've never cut anything crazy who's the pickiest courtney but it's not it's more because she'll say i say like too many times so remove this word it's more that regard it's not really because of story not storylines because they're following us but it's not about a story concept it's more verbiage yes i get it yeah you want to present well i get it and she still says, like,

Speaker 2 500 times.

Speaker 3 We love you, Corby. Okay, lie or not, Rob lives in your house.

Speaker 2 Liar.

Speaker 2 Everyone thinks that. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 He has his own home. He's an adult.

Speaker 3 How do you think Rob has managed to stay so private?

Speaker 2 He's a good old recluse like me. I respect it.
But we live in the same community.

Speaker 2 He comes over all the time. I'm with Dream all the time.

Speaker 2 But But yeah, I don't know why everyone thinks he lives with me.

Speaker 2 And I love that you asked that because I think as a man too, not that it's a bad thing if he did live with me because he did live with me at one point and I loved it, but I begged him to.

Speaker 2 And I actually wish he did live with me now. But

Speaker 2 I just think also he wants people to know, like, I got my own shit going on.

Speaker 3 Okay, lie or not, you have a secret sex tape with your ex-husband.

Speaker 2 I don't think so.

Speaker 3 In 2016, you told Andy Cohen you had it locked in a safe.

Speaker 2 Oh, maybe I do.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's crazy. I don't even remember that.
But maybe, if I said that, then maybe.

Speaker 2 Wow. I'm obsessed.
A lot happens every year. I'm like, wow, I went on Andy Cohen and said that.
Then probably. If I said that.

Speaker 3 Wait, you don't know.

Speaker 2 But not like a sex tape. It's not like I was like entertaining.
Like it was never, if this is, I think it's all coming back to me.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm sure sure it was something we just did for ourselves, not like to sell to somebody. Oh my God, maybe.

Speaker 3 You know, kind of fun. Yeah, good for me.
Oh, my God. Okay.
Lie or not.

Speaker 2 You're like, I have a sexist. I was like, I do not.
And then in two seconds, I changed my answer.

Speaker 3 No, I love it.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Lie or not. Chris Jenner plants stories in the press to distract from bad news of the family.

Speaker 2 No, lie, but I love that people think that.

Speaker 3 I love that for her, even if she did that.

Speaker 3 I would do that too if I had that power. I'm like, plant, plant, plant, boom.

Speaker 2 People would love what's actually in the media over this planted thing. True.

Speaker 3 When someone is in the middle of family drama, can you like take us to what happens? Are you guys all on the phone? Are you texting? Are you meeting at someone's house? Like, where are you?

Speaker 3 How is it going down?

Speaker 2 It could be all of the above. It depends the level of drama.
And it's like, you know, is this a code for? And probably like a code four is like, we need an in-person meeting, family meeting, stat.

Speaker 2 Get the get Christy on the phone or publicists. Like, we need everyone all hands on deck.
Or if it's a mild thing, then it could be a text war back and forth. But normally,

Speaker 2 no, not normally. It just depends what it is.
But we've had a few in-person meetings.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like it's calming down a little bit? Like people are a little less crazy towards you guys, or do you think it's still as insane?

Speaker 2 I think it just depends on the month, but I will say

Speaker 2 for me, but it's also because I've been a recluse recently. But for me, I feel like things have calmed down, but I'm also not dating and all those things.
So I don't have a lot of

Speaker 2 drama. I love that for you.
Yeah, I love that for me too.

Speaker 2 I deserve this for right now.

Speaker 3 True. I do.

Speaker 3 Okay, lie or not, your therapists expose your personal details to the the tabloids.

Speaker 2 True.

Speaker 2 I know. Rude.

Speaker 3 Chloe,

Speaker 2 don't be fucking rude.

Speaker 3 No, beyond rude.

Speaker 2 No, beyond.

Speaker 3 Like, not nice. That's like

Speaker 3 my heart breaks for you in that moment because that is like therapy is such a beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 I am in therapy and I can't imagine then the like the lack of trust that comes from someone that is being paid and is has all the like laws around it that they're not allowed to spread that shit.

Speaker 3 Like, were you ever able to confront the person and get closure?

Speaker 2 No, and this happened. It was couples therapy with my ex-husband.
And I knew, I know for a fact it was this person, but when it happened, it was, and this was like the height of tabloids.

Speaker 2 And when it was on the cover, I was like, I just knew instantly, but I was going through so much personally and emotionally. I just said, I'm done with this.

Speaker 2 And I'm going to, and people always ask, why didn't I press charges?

Speaker 2 That's also just not my thing. Like, I know who you are and what you did.
And I don't know what that's going to do for me. But

Speaker 2 what was done was done. That happened.
And I also saw a doctor when I was with Lamar and I was trying to get pregnant. I was doing IVF and that doctor.

Speaker 2 or a nurse, I can't say which one because I don't know, they released my IVF records to the press. And that's a violation of HIPAA law as well.

Speaker 2 But I just, those two things really, the therapy thing really messed with me. And I took a break from therapy for a long time.
I now have a new therapist.

Speaker 2 But it took, I mean, at least like 10 years, it took me to trust someone again.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, because I feel like, especially when you go through things that you have publicly shared on the show and that has come out in media with like romantic relationships or even just like with your family and your life, like the natural thing that people would say is like, you should get into therapy and you should talk about how this has affected your ability to trust or to love or whatever.

Speaker 3 And then for you to have to be like, I tried that and they violated, it's so backwards. And I'm so sorry that you've had to deal with that because it's no one should ever have to deal with that.

Speaker 3 And then it's like, how do you even begin to look for help when you feel like the help that is there is going to exploit you?

Speaker 2 You don't feel safe. And the whole point is feeling safe.

Speaker 3 Is it true that now your new therapist is the same as Kim's?

Speaker 2 True. Oh my God.

Speaker 3 How is that going that you are sharing therapists with your sister?

Speaker 2 I think it's great. I don't know.
I think it's great, but also Kim and I work really well together in life. We really do.
And Kim introduced me to her. Kim was like, I'm seeing her.

Speaker 2 I think she'd be really beneficial to you. And she is.
And she's just. And I think it's sort of good because she gets our dynamic even from a deeper level by knowing Kim.
Oh, nice. I think so.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And she gets to hear Kim's version of the story or Kim's version of, not that it's a lie or anything, but like Kim's version of our childhood and my version.

Speaker 2 And, you know, because we all have different experiences in how we narrate things. And I think that's important.

Speaker 3 I think that's amazing. I was also thinking like half the time you could be like, oh, I'm sure Kim caught you up on this, but this recently just happened.
And then boom, you're in it.

Speaker 2 If she does, she's really good at not acting like that.

Speaker 3 Okay. Obviously, everything that you do is basically discussed on the internet.
Do you read your comments?

Speaker 2 Sometimes. Okay.
I think it just depends.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 didn't for years. Lately, I'll, not that I'm really reading.
I like to engage with fans. So it's more like I like to, she's like, hi, I love you.
Like nice things because I'm just appreciative.

Speaker 2 But when it gets, I could tell if I'm in like a dark place and I'm like, I'm not strong enough to read things. So it just really depends on me, but I wouldn't say no.

Speaker 3 What

Speaker 3 comments

Speaker 3 upset you the most?

Speaker 2 Right now, I feel like I'm really good, like I'm in a good place. I don't think I'm like, oh, shut up.

Speaker 2 Like, I could just brush it off and be like, I don't know, someone said something to me the other day, and I'm like, daddy, chill, like, leave me the fuck alone.

Speaker 2 But things just don't get under my skin. But before,

Speaker 2 it would probably be more, I think, when I was fresh off of the Tristan cheating on me stuff. If it was any comment about me being

Speaker 2 weak or

Speaker 2 like, I can't keep a man or things like that that maybe I was already insecure about. Like, I was like, okay, that just, that's a trigger, but more so because I'm insecure about it.

Speaker 2 If they said it to me on another day, it probably wouldn't bother me.

Speaker 3 I think that's also interesting because

Speaker 3 looking at public figures, so much of what we are seeing are things that people are also experiencing in their everyday life. Like there's nothing more relatable than getting cheated on.

Speaker 3 Sadly, I've been cheated on. Everyone in this room has been cheated on, and it's so fucking sad.

Speaker 3 But you having to play it out on the world stage, people get to have the opinions where, like, so many women, obviously, listening and watching, are going to be like, oh, I went back after he cheated on me.

Speaker 3 But that is not on the tabloid. So, you having to read things, I do love that you're saying, like, it literally depends on the day.
Some days I'm feeling good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It just depends where you're at mentally. Totally.

Speaker 2 There's some days I'm like, I can't. Like, there was a time that I was like, I I can't even go outside because I was so embarrassed to even look at people.

Speaker 2 And that, I'm like, but why did I carry that with me? Like, now that I'm out of that. And I don't know.
And it was obviously something that I had to process and go through and work on myself about.

Speaker 2 But I'm not going to deny that I wasn't at that low of a point where there were times I would not leave my house because I just didn't even want to look at someone in the eyes.

Speaker 2 Like, that's how dark it got for me.

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Speaker 2 And I think we have so much power in marketing and branding. And we've been in this business for 20 years.

Speaker 2 And to be able to do that and to do that with six, seven, if you include my mom, different unique individuals and sustain and evolve and keep that going, you would call, if we were men, you'd be like, they're marketing geniuses.

Speaker 2 But because we're women, people want to, you know, sort of poke and make fun.

Speaker 2 We are along for the ride. We will make fun.
We're along with the jokes. We'll go with it because we have a good sense of humor and we get it.

Speaker 2 But traditionally, yes, we're not sitting here singing on a stage performing. And I respect that.

Speaker 2 But we also deserve a little respect in terms for how long that we've been sustaining in this industry and evolving and not just coasting and to do it with so many different people.

Speaker 3 I think what you guys have built is so

Speaker 3 fucking incredible. I just want to first say that.
And I agree with you that

Speaker 3 I feel like for a while, that was definitely the sentiment where people were like genuinely so frustrated that your family had so much traction and there was like this absolute want for none of you to succeed.

Speaker 3 And you all surpassed that. And like you said, you've all built your own individual businesses.

Speaker 3 Like it is insane that every single one of you has a thriving individual business while also the collective business.

Speaker 3 And I think that you're right with regard to like the way that people speak about men versus women.

Speaker 3 I also do think that maybe the tides are going to shift because you now look at a traditional influencer. Right.

Speaker 3 And I think we're watching a lot of influencers rise and fall within two years or one year or three years or four years because it's like they take too many brand deals and then they become less relevant and then they're kind of done and they have authentic.

Speaker 3 Yes. And it's not authentic and it's not this or it's that.
But I can imagine, yeah, it's

Speaker 3 frustrating to know if it was X amount of men in a family of brothers. It'd be like, God damn, they're so fucking smart.
One of them should be the president of the United States.

Speaker 2 Oh, we mean that all the time. Right.
But we also get it. Like, we're the first ones to, we take it on the chin.
Like, and I also think that's what we all should do.

Speaker 2 I think, yes, it's okay to still prove your place in the world, but also understand if people aren't

Speaker 2 forward thinkers with you. Cause I get it at the time.
People couldn't understand, well,

Speaker 2 how are they,

Speaker 2 how are they acquiring such want and desire and attention? But what do they do? Like, I get that. And, but we've proven ourselves.

Speaker 2 And especially when people, like you said, were praying and trying for our downfall. And we were like, no, we're good.

Speaker 3 It's really cool to see how you guys have continued to build in a way that as a businesswoman myself, like I look up to what you guys have done. Thank you.
No, I love it. Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm going to give you a scenario and you tell me which family member you would call first.

Speaker 2 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 Who would you call if you needed a last minute red carpet look?

Speaker 2 Kim.

Speaker 3 Whose closet would you love to steal from the most?

Speaker 2 Kim and Kylie.

Speaker 3 Who has the best style?

Speaker 2 They're so unique and different in their own ways, but if I had Kendall's body, I would say Kendall. Okay.

Speaker 3 Who is the most high-maintenance person in your family?

Speaker 2 Chris Jenner.

Speaker 2 As she should be. Yes.
Rightfully so.

Speaker 3 Okay. What sister are you calling if you wanted to get back at an ex that did you wrong?

Speaker 2 Ooh. Well,

Speaker 2 I would be, I would,

Speaker 2 because I would, it depends who, but I would say Kendall, Kylie, Kim on conference.

Speaker 3 I can't imagine how much money people would pay for that trio if you needed advice. Like a mat, I can't imagine being able to just call those three women and be like, I need advice.

Speaker 3 This man fucked me over. What do I do? Yeah.
So good.

Speaker 3 Okay. What is the pettiest thing that you've done to get back at an X?

Speaker 2 So I'm not

Speaker 2 like that petty of a person. I wish I was.
Like, but I will say I'm going to fuck your dad. No.
But it doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 But that would be like my dream if I was like that petty. But no, that's never happened.

Speaker 3 Chloe, the way that you just said that was like, I was like, oh my God, she's done that.

Speaker 2 Because in my soul, I want to. But then I'm like, I will braid your hair later.
Like, I'm such a pussy, but I pretend. I am.

Speaker 2 Like, I, in my soul, I'm like, and if when I'm mad at you, I will fucking go off and I'm a machine gun with my words and insults. And then I'm like, all right, whatever.
You're like, I'm over it.

Speaker 2 I got all the energy out.

Speaker 3 And then you're like, what are you doing later? Right. Hang out.

Speaker 2 Fine. Come over.

Speaker 3 Who makes the worst decisions when it comes to guys in your family?

Speaker 2 Can I say myself?

Speaker 3 I would say me. Not anymore, though.

Speaker 2 No, cancel, cancel. Not anymore.
I do not claim that energy anymore.

Speaker 3 We're done. What is the furthest length you've ever gone to get intel on a guy?

Speaker 2 Oh, I've gone far.

Speaker 2 I've gone far. I mean, yeah.
I've either.

Speaker 2 Kim has this way of knowing how to hack into people's voicemails when voicemails were a thing. So we've done that in the past.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. And I'm just picturing you guys like sitting around the kitchen, getting in there, screaming when you hear it.

Speaker 2 Screaming, throwing the phone down, or like, cause you're like, oh my God, like we didn't think we would actually get in and we get in.

Speaker 3 And most times would you find something?

Speaker 2 Probably every time. I mean, I've also,

Speaker 2 I've also, to my, yes, I've had trackers on people's cars before. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, she's gone.

Speaker 2 Gone girl over here.

Speaker 3 It's so crazy, too, when people are like, oh, well, is that crazy? It's like, no, when you force a woman to go crazy, it's like, what did you do?

Speaker 2 Well, that's what I hate. Do not act like you did not put me in this position and you did not make me be this psychopath.

Speaker 2 But I think that's something I need to think is a red flag in a man when they create the psychopath in me.

Speaker 3 It's so true, but it doesn't mean we can't look back with fond memories. Like, Chloe, I remember I got my, my boyfriend cheated on me.

Speaker 3 I decided to stay and I got his iPad and it was connected to his iCloud. Chloe, I'm living in New York City at the time

Speaker 3 and it was a big ass iPad. They didn't have the small ones.

Speaker 3 I'm walking to and from work, getting on the subway, going to work, and I have the iPad open at all times, reading his incoming texts, reading, reading, reading, eating lunch.

Speaker 3 I would literally set it up at work. It'd be my computer screaming the iPad.

Speaker 2 It's an addiction. Once you start, you can't stop.
I've I've been there. I have been there.

Speaker 2 I remember my ex-husband, and he remembers this story, I'm sure. He, we were married.
He

Speaker 2 was doing his thing and he went down to some motel in downtown LA and was with a girl. And I was young.

Speaker 2 Not that, I mean, I'm like

Speaker 2 maybe 26, something like that.

Speaker 2 Probably still old enough to not behave like this, but I was there and I remember asking the the guy at the front i was like hey is lamar odom where's lamar odom like he's this big guy you can identify him he told me what room he was in i saw on the window that him and this girl were

Speaker 2 They were either naked or in she was in lingerie, something like that. I knocked on the door.
They answered it for some reason. And I just started going ballistic.

Speaker 2 And I remember the next day, it was, I think, Penelope's birthday party, and it was a cowboy party. And my knuckles were all bloody and gross.
And I just had bandanas wrapped around.

Speaker 2 I was on theme, and I acted as if nothing ever happened. And I don't think I ever said a thing.
He could not understand how I knew where he was. And I was like, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 I'm not telling anybody anything. And why are you in a motel in downtown LA at three in the morning?

Speaker 3 The best part is you're saying you're like, he's like, how did you find out? Chloe, Chloe, they're always like, how did you find out? You're like, it doesn't matter. Why are you doing that?

Speaker 2 Why are you here? But also,

Speaker 2 everyone told, like, it's like you're this seven foot tall man you're and you're on the lakers everyone knows who you are you're very identifiable so i think how i found out was people on twitter were like lamar odom is da da da and so i of course in that psychotic i searched his hashtag for his name of course like any real girl does no oh my god do you remember like that i used to go if i knew he was at a certain club i'd like go to the instagram story of the club of course see who's tagging at the club then you go to their page no it's that you never sleep.

Speaker 2 Girls never sleep.

Speaker 3 That is when, to any girl going through it right now, there is something so genuinely freeing. At first, it's painful because you literally feel like you're going through withdrawals.

Speaker 3 Where, like, I remember my friend took the iPad from me and she was like, Yes, we're done. No, you need to.
And I said, No. And then I took it back.

Speaker 3 And it only took him finally figuring it out and deactivating it. Yeah.
Like, she couldn't even get it away from me. But then it ended up, I started living my life again.

Speaker 3 I would go to work and not be focused on it.

Speaker 2 It's an obsession and an addiction. And the best thing is when you're free of that.

Speaker 2 And I pray I never am back there again. Me too.
I won't be.

Speaker 2 Sending all the energy. This was years ago.
So

Speaker 3 like you've mentioned, you recently turned 40. How would you describe this new era of your life, like entering this new decade? Just give me all the feels.

Speaker 2 So I have heard before when I was in my 30s, like, oh, turning 40s is so great. Everyone's like, it's freeing.
It's this. So I always had a really good perception of what 40 was going to be like.

Speaker 2 And my 30s were just really tough for me, like a lot of traumatic experiences.

Speaker 2 I had great experiences like by having my kids, but either business or so many things weren't going the way that I really wanted them to or how I envisioned.

Speaker 2 And I think that for me, at least, I envisioned being married and having kids.

Speaker 2 And I just had this different fantasy, I guess, or just what I thought when I was 20, what was going to happen in my life. And those things didn't happen.

Speaker 2 And then I was like, you know, instead of making this such a sob story, I'm going to be like, I can't, let me change the narrative, get all the shit out in my 30s.

Speaker 2 And I'm going to leave them in my 30s. And they're just going to be stepping stones and things that make me stronger and better for my 40s.

Speaker 2 And intentionally, in the last like two years of my 30s, I was, I called it like shedding this negativity. And I actually saw this,

Speaker 2 he's not, he's like a spiritual healer. And he was like, you are in your, like, your new decade is going to be this fresh start for you.
And he just sort of confirmed everything that I felt.

Speaker 2 And I started a couple new businesses in my 30s, but they didn't come true until my 40s. And I just felt like now so many great things are happening for me.

Speaker 2 Not that they weren't my 30s, but the traction, the traction was slower.

Speaker 2 And I'm not going to. hold on to any of the negativity that I had in my 30s.
So I'm like, okay, that was all the bullshit. I'm leaving it there.

Speaker 2 And I'm only receiving, receiving and accepting beautiful, positive things for my 40s.

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 3 love everything you just said because at the very beginning, you said something that I think is very relatable, especially for women and just like timelines when you're talking about like

Speaker 3 wanting this thing for yourself and having this like very, very clear vision of exactly what you thought you were going to have.

Speaker 3 And I have so many women write into me being like, I am 32, I'm 35, I'm 30, I'm 38, whatever it be in that 30 or like end of the 20s era. And it's this like

Speaker 3 horrible feeling you feel like upset with yourself and disappointed in yourself because you're like, no, I was supposed to do this.

Speaker 3 And especially when you're comparing yourself to whether it's your sisters or your friends being like, but she got married and she was doing this. And then you start to just feel like.

Speaker 3 you failed like and and there's no chance to get the time back and i fucked this up like do you have any advice for any women listening of how you did end up pushing through not sticking to the timeline that you had envisioned essentially your whole life growing up?

Speaker 2 Well, I think at first you have to go through those feelings and it's okay to feel it. Like I definitely felt like a failure or my time passed.

Speaker 2 And you, I think it's natural to compare, at least for me, I have all these successful siblings and I see all what they're doing. And I'm like, okay, but I'm sort of stagnant at this place.

Speaker 2 And for me, I love to pray. I listen to, I have a Bible app that I do every morning.
I need that time for myself, but it sets the tone for my day.

Speaker 2 And if I don't do that, or if I don't at least have your positive affirmations or whatever that is that really encourages yourself, if it's the gym, like little things, you have to take that you time.

Speaker 2 But I took time intentionally this year to self-reflect and be like, what am I doing? Because it's not. everybody else.

Speaker 2 So what am I doing that's not sticking or let me change how I'm handling something else. Or, but when it comes to marriage or kids, like that, I feel bad that we put that pressure on ourselves.

Speaker 2 And it's hard not to because essentially we do have this biological clock that's ticking when it comes to babies. But also, what is really cool is I did do IVF in my 20s.

Speaker 2 And when you froze embryos, then you had to sign something that when you're, I believe it said, like, when you're 40 or 42, if you don't use these embryos yet, you have to either donate the embryos, you have your choices, either

Speaker 2 donate them to science, donate them to people for adoption, or

Speaker 2 terminate them. And you signed which ones that you agreed to.
And then I did,

Speaker 2 I made embryos, I want to say when I was like 35.

Speaker 2 And that time span now, it's at like 50 something. And so it moved about 10 years because our life expectancy is longer.

Speaker 2 So I'm saying that to say that there, we don't have to have kids as early as we once thought we could.

Speaker 2 My mom years ago had Kendall and Kylie at 40 and 41. And that was,

Speaker 2 what, 28 years ago or whatnot, 29 years ago. And so I think sometimes we have these expectations or we think by 32, if I don't have X, Y, and Z done, then it's over for me.
But that's not.

Speaker 2 essentially the case. And I think we have to focus on what makes us happy.
And everything else will fall into plan. And if it's in

Speaker 2 God's will, it's going to happen, not to get all spiritual. But I do think what's meant for you is always going to find you no matter what, but you have to believe it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 And mainly, you have to believe that you're worthy of that. There was a long time that I didn't think I was worthy of a certain type of love.

Speaker 2 And I think that shows. And I really had to work on myself and say that I'm worthy of the same type of love that so many other people are.

Speaker 3 I can tell the way you're saying it, Chloe, is like it took a lot of the shit that was painful to get to the place where you're getting to say that.

Speaker 3 And so that's why I also think I appreciate you sharing that because I think someone could really need that advice right now because they could be in a similar place as you were a few years ago, or you just found out that you thought the love of your life isn't.

Speaker 3 going to be that anymore.

Speaker 3 Like whatever it is that's like shifting for someone right now, that message, I think, is so powerful to alleviate a little bit of the stress that they feel that they're putting on themselves.

Speaker 3 I want to talk about your romantic life for a second, because you were only 23,

Speaker 3 23, when Keeping Up with the Kardashian started. I think I was 22.

Speaker 2 22.

Speaker 3 Okay, 22. Can you talk to me about, like,

Speaker 3 in hindsight, looking back now, like, how do you feel that some of your hardest

Speaker 3 romantic relationship moments played out on the world stage for the public eye.

Speaker 2 So, what's interesting is when we started, we were just supposed to be show filler.

Speaker 2 I think Lindsay Lohan had a reality show that was supposed to go on E, and something happened where she scrapped it last minute. And E was like, we need something filler, just six episodes.

Speaker 2 And my mom and Kim were like, we're going to do it.

Speaker 2 Or I don't know how that conversation went, but basically we had this show and we were told, don't worry, worry don't get i think the quote was don't get too comfortable here you're just filler so when we first started we were like we just weren't thinking that this is people are going to watch this do you know what i mean we were just like we're filler we're told not to get comfortable here it is what it is and so we were just being

Speaker 2 morons like just who we are like just not overthinking it and it turned into something it snowballed into something really great but

Speaker 2 i didn't think everything through if you will and so I'm just being me. And, but I also have always tried to keep that for me.

Speaker 2 I don't want to overthink, or else I think it really changes how the show is perceived. And so with that, I intentionally, not that I want

Speaker 2 all of these things to be played out on the show, but I've really made a conscious effort to not edit. And

Speaker 2 if I feel like it's fair game, if something's in the press that's true and that's happening, it's my

Speaker 2 sort of, it's my obligation to have that on TV because that's what in fact is happening.

Speaker 2 And that's not fair for me to say, you know what, I don't want that on the show because it's in the press or whatever because it hurts me or whatever.

Speaker 2 I feel like I can't be the only one going through certain things.

Speaker 2 And if it makes somebody else feel seen or if it helps somebody get through something or it doesn't have to be the exact same thing, but if it's something that they can relate to at all, I really hope that I make someone feel more seen and safe, and that they're not alone on this island that feels so incredibly isolating.

Speaker 3 One of the things, again, that I think like people,

Speaker 3 I mean, you got so much commentary, obviously, on your relationship with Tristan, but I do genuinely believe that there were a lot of women that connected to it.

Speaker 3 And even if they were ashamed or embarrassed that they've done something similar, I think that storyline was also so massive.

Speaker 3 Aside from like the intricate, intricate details of like, holy fucking shit, like that was insane.

Speaker 3 But the actual relatability of it and going back to someone and trusting them again to then have them fuck you over again. Right.

Speaker 3 Can you talk to me about how you decided, though, that relationship was worth

Speaker 3 another try? Because I think a lot of people go through that feeling.

Speaker 2 So with the Tristan stuff,

Speaker 2 when we, when Kim, I think it was, found out that Tristan was cheating on me when I was pregnant, she was, I, if I remember correctly, I think she was about to sit down for keeping up interviews and it happened while she was in the interview chair.

Speaker 2 I don't know if as much would have been shown if that's not how it was unfolding in real time. We just happened to be filming all the fucking time.
So it did happen that way.

Speaker 2 And then that happened. I went into labor 48 hours later and I chose for, I agreed to have the cameras in the delivery room because I wanted that for true.

Speaker 2 And I chose for Tristan to be there because it wasn't about me. And people couldn't get over that.
And also, I've never had a baby before at this point. It's my first pregnancy.

Speaker 2 I want to have what I envision, like we just talked about, but I also wanted,

Speaker 2 I just wanted what I wanted. And I don't know if that was the right thing.

Speaker 2 And I don't know, I just did what I felt was the right thing to do by saying to my daughter, your dad was in the delivery room.

Speaker 2 I don't need to tell her.

Speaker 2 One day she's going to know everything because she's going to be old enough to know, but I don't think she needs to know, oh, I didn't have your dad in there because I was so angry.

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean? I felt like these are, I can't make a permanent decision off of temporary emotions. I'm not going to hate Tristan forever, but I will never get that birth experience back.

Speaker 2 So there's so many things I did

Speaker 2 for my child at that time.

Speaker 2 And I remember I was in Cleveland. I was staying there

Speaker 2 and after the birth of True, and

Speaker 2 I was like in this isolated bubble of being alone with my child with these hormones. I would not watch TV.
It was a huge media story. I couldn't even leave the house.
We were surrounded by paparazzi.

Speaker 2 It was really isolating and overwhelming. I had no family.
And I don't, I honestly don't know,

Speaker 2 but little by little, Tristan and I just started reconnecting. And seeing this man with your brand new baby and all these things, yes, you do get blinded by so many things.
I'm not going to deny that.

Speaker 2 And, but interestingly enough,

Speaker 2 I always had this guard up after that. I always felt something wasn't right.
And that is something that I, I don't regret because I have Tatum,

Speaker 2 but that's something that I always remind myself. I could never fully get back there.
And he knew that. And we would talk about it.
And we even did therapy over it.

Speaker 2 And like, we never, I never could fully trust him or I never felt safe around him again.

Speaker 2 And like either if he hugged me or little things like that, there were things that anybody could tell that I had major guards up. And so I'm not saying

Speaker 2 what I did was right, but there was God had other plans because I had my son, but there was something that I pushed to the side. And I don't know why.
It could have been

Speaker 2 that I was just so hormonal and new. I don't know.

Speaker 2 But yeah, it's just, I know if I didn't have a baby, I never would have stayed with Tristan. Like, ever.

Speaker 3 Do you think that now looking back,

Speaker 3 did the first

Speaker 3 cheating hurt, or was the second one worse?

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Speaker 3 Do you think that now looking back,

Speaker 3 did the first

Speaker 3 cheating hurt, or was the second one worse?

Speaker 2 I think the first one

Speaker 2 hurt the most because I was pregnant, but

Speaker 2 also

Speaker 2 I didn't get to sit with my feelings enough for the first one.

Speaker 2 I gave birth less than 48 hours later after

Speaker 2 the first cheating scandal happened with Tristan.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I don't know if this sounds right,

Speaker 2 but it's what I can think to say is that I don't even think I was able to process everything that happened because I

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 I think if I maybe was six months pregnant and that happened, I probably would have walked away and never went back.

Speaker 2 But because I gave birth less than two days later, and then you're, you sort of,

Speaker 2 I, I buried my head in the sand and I was like, I just want to have this bliss that I always dreamed of and have a brand new baby and have the daddy here.

Speaker 2 And, and I think who wouldn't, but it's really, when you've never been in that position, it's really easy to judge and to say things. I only did the best that I knew how.

Speaker 2 And I think the worst part of that experience was how much I let down my younger sisters. Cause I remember they were like, he's going to do this again.
Don't like stay with him.

Speaker 2 And I remember, I don't know exactly what was said, but I just remember sort of the

Speaker 2 like the disappointment in them.

Speaker 2 They would never say that to me and they've never said that to me, but I've always felt how much i've disappointed them by stay and doing that again because that's so i i didn't do that i was always like fuck him and they're disrespecting you and so i've all i still feel really horrible about that because i've always been this big sister to them but i will say so i don't

Speaker 2 maybe the second one hurt more because I lived with it and for so much longer.

Speaker 2 And maybe I've had more shame with the second scandal because I sort of knew it was going to happen again.

Speaker 3 Do you think you would ever

Speaker 3 talk to Kylie and Kendall about it? Like now, having hindsight, like I realize, like I never, I still have this like feeling that I let you guys down. And I like

Speaker 2 I would talk to them about anything, but I don't think they would ever admit that I let them down because I don't,

Speaker 2 I don't think that they realize how much I saw in their faces. Like, I don't think, and I think now

Speaker 2 True's going to be seven next month. And so, seven years have gone by, and so much life has happened for Kendall and Kylie as well.

Speaker 2 So, maybe they even understand more than seven years ago, but I'll never forget their faces.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I don't think for a second they would even feel like I disappointed them, but I remember those faces and it's hard to forget something like that.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, like,

Speaker 3 I think that what you said, though, is so relatable of like, but they've lived since then. And I think the closer you get to more life experience, more life experience, like even you

Speaker 3 saying that, Chloe, I'm going to be honest, like, I bet when all this came out seven years ago, I was probably like judging you, like, oh, like, how did she get back with him? And what is that?

Speaker 3 And then now I'm sitting here and I'm thinking about having kids one day. And I'm thinking about myself being in a situation where I do have a child.

Speaker 3 And when you're talking about this period where you're like, I literally gave birth, I just gave birth. And yes, I want to enjoy that.

Speaker 3 Like I so get that now because I'm getting closer to that point in my life where I probably in my early 20s was like, what the fuck is she doing? Oh my, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like it's just perspective.

Speaker 2 But I probably would have done the same if I saw someone going through that. And sometimes you can see a car crash happening before it actually happens.

Speaker 2 And, you know, when you asked which one hurt more, at first, like my initial reaction was, oh, the one with true, the first one. But then I was like, but actually,

Speaker 2 no, I think the second one, because I

Speaker 2 had so much more time to live with it. And, you know, I hid it from the public that I was having a second baby, even though I found out he had a second, he had not a second, he had another child.

Speaker 2 And then I had to deal with this privately. And that was almost worse.
But I was so ashamed to tell the world that I was having another baby because I already knew what they were going to say.

Speaker 2 And I already knew what everyone was going to say about me. And I, I already knew in my gut that that was probably going to happen again.
And then that sounds idiotic. Why would you be with someone?

Speaker 2 But there was just this.

Speaker 2 Now I knew in hindsight, oh, that's what that feeling was of never feeling safe with him again. That I just, my body sort of knew a woman's intuition, this isn't the right fit for you.

Speaker 2 But at the time, I couldn't identify what that is.

Speaker 3 I don't know if that makes sense. No, no, it does.

Speaker 3 I want to ask you: like, to someone sitting and listening to this right now that is contemplating staying with someone that cheated on them, like, do you have any advice?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 from my experience, I don't think people

Speaker 2 really can change in that regard.

Speaker 2 But I also think,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I would have to know like the context of the story. I don't want to like tear anyone's dreams down.
For me, I would say, you know, once people show you who they are, believe them.

Speaker 2 And that's something I had to learn the hard way.

Speaker 2 And also, you have to listen to your gut and your intuition. And I

Speaker 2 really was

Speaker 2 trying to mute mine, I think, because I wanted to have this vision of what my life was more than I would listen to something.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 but that, what kind of life is that?

Speaker 3 I also just feel like the takeaway too is like, yes, we can sit here and try to give people advice, but like sometimes you actually need to live it.

Speaker 3 Sometimes you do need to get punched in the gut and have these horrible things happen for you to know now. Like, Yes, you felt that gut feeling that maybe they would have cheated again.

Speaker 3 I had the same thing and he did. He cheated again, but I needed to feel it because I couldn't have anyone look at me and tell me otherwise until I was done with it myself.

Speaker 3 And I really, really learned from it and was able to move on and have closure within myself.

Speaker 3 Because also giving credit to friends and sisters, like they can beg us, but it's so fucking different when it's your life and there's kids involved.

Speaker 3 Hands down, there is, you have to go through it on your own.

Speaker 2 And the advice I would give when I was single with no kids is so different than the advice I would give having kids.

Speaker 2 And it's really, really fucking hard when you have children involved and you have this fairy tale that you really want to fulfill and live out and you can and don't, but that doesn't mean that another fairy tale can't be created.

Speaker 3 We got to kind of see you get this closure with your ex-husband, Lamar, this season. How do you come to terms that

Speaker 3 love just like isn't enough sometimes?

Speaker 2 I know that's sad because I think in your 20s, you really believe that love is all you need. Um, and Lamar was one of

Speaker 2 Lamar is, you know, I really do think it was the right person wrong time.

Speaker 2 And I have so much love for Lamar and I, in every relationship that I have, like I'm so grateful for them, even the worst of them.

Speaker 2 Like, I really think that they mold me and they make me more empathetic and compassionate. And they just, they build me in a different way.
Um,

Speaker 2 and with Lamar, like I, that was one of the best. It's crazy because it was one of the best chapters of my life.
And then also, it took away so much of my innocence.

Speaker 2 It was, there were things that I was exposed to that I never in a million years thought I would be exposed to. It was, I definitely lived a double life for a long time.

Speaker 2 Um, and again, even things I never would have even

Speaker 2 predicted that I would have been living, or I don't think people could imagine.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 2 when it was one of the most awkward things I've ever filmed, um,

Speaker 2 Lamar and I have so much history, and to not talk to someone in almost 10 years, and then to be around them, and I didn't know what to expect. I was nervous.
He was clearly very nervous.

Speaker 2 I felt like without me realizing it, because we we sat for four and a half hours. So, what you guys saw, I think, was maybe like 20, 30 minutes tops.
We were there for four and a half hours. And

Speaker 2 there were things that I didn't realize until watching, I sort of blacked out.

Speaker 2 And it was just my trauma taking over. And this was me an autopilot, and

Speaker 2 how many things either he did or said that were triggering me to the old Lamar. So I noticed myself being short or snappy or this or that.
And I didn't like that version of me. And

Speaker 2 I'm sure he didn't like that version of me or whatnot. And maybe I triggered him in different ways.
I don't know. But it was,

Speaker 2 I really love that I got that experience with him. But I think there's so much more that maybe needs to be said and done.

Speaker 2 But I also don't know if I need that right now.

Speaker 3 And I think that's like okay to say.

Speaker 3 Like, I feel like even you saying like 10 years without speaking to someone and then you're sitting across from them and you're still having a trauma response like that is one normal to everyone who says like well trauma just goes away at some point no no no like a lot of times it can live with you for your whole life or it can be a specific specific things trigger it if you smell something if you see something whatever it is so like you having that response i agree it's like now you can take your time on your time and on his time when you guys can figure out it works for you to like go down that path, but maybe maybe it doesn't all need to be in like one sit down, like, let's fix this whole thing and like, let's move on.

Speaker 2 Like, and I didn't think for a second, I still was holding on to anything.

Speaker 2 And so then when I was with him were certain, like just certain things that either made me have flashbacks to 10 years ago, I was, I just noticed that I turned my brain off because so much I didn't even remember being said or done until I watched the show.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, damn, that was a little harsh or I can't believe I said that to him.

Speaker 2 Or, and, but it's wild that I would black out at daytime like it's not like I was on anything that's why I was like it was it was so bizarre to me I've never been in that situation before um

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 I also

Speaker 2 like I'm so grateful for all those experiences too and I but I do think maybe more does need to be discussed I just don't feel the need or the urgency to do it right now Do you think you would ever get married again?

Speaker 2 I would love to get married again. You would.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 A lot of people think that I am very like maybe cynical about love and I'm a hopeless romantic. I believe in love and I think it's beautiful and I love the union of marriage.
I respect it so much.

Speaker 3 And you're single right now?

Speaker 2 I'm single right now. Are you dating? I have not dated in over three years since

Speaker 2 Tatum was in my surrogate's belly.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Would you? Yeah, over three years. When are you going to get back out there? Are you still going to take it slow? Like, do you have an idea of like?

Speaker 2 So, I think I need to work on things with myself still

Speaker 2 because I'm really happy. I don't feel lonely.
I don't feel any of that stuff. I feel great, which is actually like concerning because I feel like I could go this way for like 10 more years.

Speaker 3 You're like, I love this shit.

Speaker 2 I'm in the bone and watching my documentary. Yeah, no one's bothering me, taking a bed space.
Like, I'm good. But

Speaker 2 I also think a lot of it is too that I don't know.

Speaker 2 I've worked on my confidence so much and I've gotten that back or in a good place, but I don't know how confident I am in trusting myself when it comes to picking men just because of my past.

Speaker 2 And so I'm working on that. And I don't want to, I don't want just distractions in my life.
I'm not lonely or bored in that regard.

Speaker 2 If I need a night out, I have my girlfriends and I just don't, once you get to a certain place, you don't even miss a thing. I don't need anything.

Speaker 2 But I need to work on feeling confident in who I'm picking.

Speaker 3 Okay. I'm going to describe a man to you.
Oh, God. And you are going to tell me if you would give him a shot.

Speaker 3 Are you ready?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 He is super present and involved in your life, but refuses to be on the show or let you post pictures of him.

Speaker 2 Does he have social media?

Speaker 3 That's a great question.

Speaker 2 I hope not. I love that.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, is it suspicious, suspicious if a guy doesn't have social media?

Speaker 2 Doesn't? No, I love that. That's like a big turn on.

Speaker 3 I agree. Yeah.
Like, that's hot. So you're, so you'd be down if he didn't have social media.
Yes. Because if he has a social media and he's not posting you.

Speaker 2 Right. Then that makes me suck.
That's weird. Because what are you, are you have a family that you're hiding from?

Speaker 3 But actually, yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. All of your sisters are obsessed with him, but Chris hates him.

Speaker 2 Oh, that would be so hard.

Speaker 2 I don't. Think so.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you actually like live together, maybe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, basically. And she, I probably care, like, because she hangs out with me more than my sisters half the time.

Speaker 3 Who do you think is the hardest sister to impress when it comes to bringing a guy around?

Speaker 2 Kendall.

Speaker 2 Kendall and Court. But Kendall is like no nonsense.

Speaker 2 Love that for you. I love that for her.

Speaker 3 Chris once said, you got ghosted because you didn't give your date a blowjob. What other chaotic relationship advice has she given you?

Speaker 2 I fucking love her. Today, she was like, don't bring up the blowjob story.
I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, but it was true.
She's like, Well, it doesn't make me look good.

Speaker 2 And I was like, Well, it was like the early 90s. It was a different time.

Speaker 3 Chris, we fucking love that you said this. You're like, the fact that she even said that, I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2 Like, come on. The early 90s, it's fine.
So good. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, she's just a very forward-thinking type of mother. And she's the thing that I love about my mom is you can literally tell her anything and she's fine with it.

Speaker 2 She just wants to be in the know and she will find like she's also a problem solver. So if there's anything that's not going right, she'll find

Speaker 2 the solution.

Speaker 2 So I don't know off the top of my head, but she will figure it out. Girl out.

Speaker 3 Okay, he's the best sex you've ever had, but you find out he once hooked up with one of your sisters.

Speaker 2 You want to know what's crazy? What?

Speaker 2 The older we get, the pole gets smaller like i'm like i don't know i think if i was 20 i would probably be like that's a deal breaker you're like i don't care but now i'm like

Speaker 3 do we need to talk about it we're good right i think that's like i don't know if that like is that that's not bad ancestual no i think it depends I think it depends. Like, how, how about this?

Speaker 3 If they have a baby together, oh, that's where we draw the line.

Speaker 2 Okay, we're not, yeah, we're not sharing baby daddies, but I don't know if you slept with someone 20 years ago. What the fuck am I supposed to do?

Speaker 3 It's hard out here. I kind of agree.
Like, especially if they were like, oh, he was so good and a great guy.

Speaker 2 So awkward. But I personally wouldn't care.
Like, if this was me and let's say Kim or Court or whoever's single was like, oh, I met this guy.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, my God, I fucked him when I was 20, but it's fine. Like, I wouldn't care.

Speaker 3 Which of your sisters has the complete opposite type from you?

Speaker 2 Courtney, I think. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 He loves to work out with you. Love that.
But he's in the NBA.

Speaker 2 I can't anymore. No, I draw the line.
Like maybe hooking up

Speaker 2 because I can hook up with people and like not think about it. I'm not one.
Oh, really? I can't. I haven't done it in a while, but you don't even miss those days.

Speaker 2 I mean, when I was younger, I was able to. I don't.

Speaker 2 It's a different world when you have kids. I don't know.
But also, I think it's more like it's transactional. Like, this is business because I have kids.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, get in here, get in there and get out.

Speaker 2 You're not staying because you're not meeting my kids. So that's where my mindset I think is.

Speaker 2 But I cannot. And yes, I'm going to stereotype.
I will not be with another NBA player. But yes, if I need to fuck or whatever, maybe.

Speaker 2 Maybe. I don't know.
I'm not there, but I'm not going to say no. But I don't know what I just said.
No, no, no. So

Speaker 3 she's like, is this color, daddy? No.

Speaker 3 So no more NBA. But would you do a different type of professional athlete?

Speaker 2 No. Ideally not.
Okay. But again, I would hook up, but you know, never say never, but I just, I feel like I'm a year later.
I know, year later. I'm like, I'm married.

Speaker 2 I'm getting married.

Speaker 2 You're like going to the NFL.

Speaker 2 I promise. I mean, and I hate to stereotype because I, but I haven't had great experiences is all I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 Girl, that is so fucking fair. Okay.
Let's talk about your podcast. Chloe in Wonderland.
First of all, congratulations, because

Speaker 3 I am love podcasting. It's hard work, but it's rewarding.
Why did you want to start this?

Speaker 2 Well, I am, it's Chloe in Wonderland. So it's all about like, go down the rabbit hole with me.
I have so many bizarre curiosities and I sincerely am just fascinated by the strangest things.

Speaker 2 I just watched a documentary on atomic bombs and I am like, hell yes. I'm so dorky in that way that people probably wouldn't think.

Speaker 2 But But yeah, I just want to talk about, I really have bizarre, weird fascinations, and I want to indulge in them.

Speaker 3 Are you going to have your sisters on the pod?

Speaker 2 So the funny thing is, Kylie was like, I'm so offended. You haven't asked me to be on the podcast.
And I'm like, well,

Speaker 2 what are you going to give me? Like, I don't really, like, what would you give me that I don't already know about? Like, what's, I already know it's going to be very contrived.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't need this.

Speaker 2 But most people would die to have,

Speaker 2 you know, my sisters on. I'm more like, oh,

Speaker 2 whatever.

Speaker 2 Like, we'll think about it. But like, my mom, yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. Love Chris Jenner because we also are like.

Speaker 2 Laverne and Shirley, Lucy and Ethel. Don't know if these people know who that is, but you know.

Speaker 3 You guys have a vibe that you can like talk about complete random shit. Yes.
Where people are going to want the tea. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like if you're having Kylie on, everyone's going to be like, why didn't you ask about the Oscars?

Speaker 2 You're going to be like, oh, okay. And I have like a list of things what I should have asked about.
And I just, it's too much pressure for me.

Speaker 3 Who is your current dream guest?

Speaker 2 So I love Dolly Parton. I really, really do.
Ooh.

Speaker 2 I know, I love her, but her poor husband just passed away of 60 years and my heart breaks for her. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 3 Heart breaks, not the right time to ask for her.

Speaker 2 Not the right time.

Speaker 3 But at one point, maybe.

Speaker 2 One day I love her, but I do. I'm so excited.
I just had this UFOologist on and I love shit like that. So like.

Speaker 3 I am obsessed that you're going a direction that no one would have thought.

Speaker 2 I love conspiracies.

Speaker 3 Last question: If you could go back and talk to yourself during season one of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, what would you say?

Speaker 2 You've done an excellent job.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I wouldn't change a thing. Like, as sad or hard, and

Speaker 2 you know, depressing or whatever as some situations may have been, the great outweighs all the bad that's ever happened to me. And I am just proud of how I've handled everything.

Speaker 2 And I'm most proud of how me and my family have stuck together and just enjoy the ride.

Speaker 3 Chloe, I just had such a great time with you. I did too.
Thank you so much for coming on. It's so nice to meet you in person.
Obviously, like, I feel like I've just watched you for so many years.

Speaker 3 I've obviously watched the show. I'm a huge fan, but like to get to sit here with you, it was truly a pleasure.

Speaker 2 Aw, well, thank you for having me on. I've honestly had the best time.
I felt like,

Speaker 2 yeah, chill and really fast.

Speaker 3 Love, love, done. Thank you.

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