Chappell Roan: Are People Scared Of Me?

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Chapel Roan, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you.
I am so happy to be meeting you. I'm such a fan.
So this is like a very cool moment. How are you doing tonight? I'm good.
I have to tell you, everyone always wants to do like early interviews. I'm not a morning person.
So this is like one of the later interviews I've done. Are you a night person? I like both.
I have insomnia. Oh, so really it's like I'm an all day, all night person until I take my pills.
Okay, great. So you're just up.
I'm up. You're with me right now.
I am. Good to know.
Okay, good to know. Talk to me about what you are wearing.
This is everything. How did you pick this? Well, I'm styled by Genesis Webb, but I'm wearing Tom brown and some of this is everything how did you pick this um well i'm styled by dennis's webb but um i'm wearing tom brown and some of this is archival um which is amazing but it's like a little white and red striped outfit vibe all of it's tom brown it's just the best he's the best it literally looks like you are the host of the show you look like you are running this room right now and i'm the outsider you look perfect oh my god thank you okay you're obviously known for your incredible amazing outfits what has been your favorite outfit to date that you've worn during a performance i wore one for bonnaroo that was club kid themed and it was latex medical latex sexy kinky girl and it is kind of like disturbing in a way but I felt so awesome I love that I was gonna say now I need to go google that yeah it's I look scary but like I love looking like kind of crazy and scary um but I love that i mean the lalapalooza one was so fucking awesome because i got to wear tennis shoes gov ball when you literally like were all green okay i don't think people know this i had to spread my cheeks you're lying to me no i just spread my cheeks and get sprayed with green and like it didn't come off the way i got that off was i took three baths not soap dish soap i literally poured a dish soap in and scrubbed rubbed my whole body with coconut oil jumped in scrubbed with a literal like kitchen sponge and every all of it came off except there was a green tint to my skin so i literally looked moldy for four days how like humbling when all of your fans are like queen slay you look gorgeous and then you're home literally scrubbing your asshole no yeah this is my life i was like scrubbing my like bikini lines and like my pews were pulling out from it all i don't have i'm not i'm not even like lasered or anything it's so glamorous i just can't yeah i fucking love it okay how do you usually though dress on a chill day like are you always going hard glam are you always having an outfit sometimes i love having an outfit but usually not with glam like this like i'm not wearing a lash or you know anything like that or nails really but um i'm not in a lot of color that's the thing like i'm in a lot of blacks and a lot of like taupes and whites and creams like nothing yeah are you ever doing sweatpants yeah oh sometimes okay but i'm in like i wear a lot of skirts i'm very modest when it comes to my day-to-day and i think it's just because one i feel like i'm in la and i can dress like more masculine and not get like dirty looks and so but i feel like in other parts of the country it's like i just i just dress more feminine so i don't like i don't want to deal with it you know isn't it so annoying when you're like i don't even want to deal with these comments or these looks so i'm going to just like blend in for you all i don't want to but i don't have the time of day yeah fuck off i used to dress fucking crazy though before like all of this happened and i had energy and like light in my eyes i would literally just wear my thong out mini skirt bottom ass cheeks out nipples see-through in his fucking trash i i dress like really really bimbo-y and like i had i wore like silicone like breast like boob inserts to make my boobs come up to my fucking like up to my clavicle or whatever um and so i just like lost my shine why um because uh it became my job and then i was like i'm fucking tired and glam takes i mean at that time i wasn't like i was just in my room high as fuck doing my makeup on tiktok live for three hours every night and then i would go out in like this like insane drag makeup and like all these thrifted like 70s disco always in fucking heels just a maximalist and that was so amazing and then it just got to be like there was no separation yeah like i would be out as kaylee in that and then i would be on stage as that and then there was like no separation it just got i would look at myself in the mirror and be like what's the difference between chapel and like i understand that now because i've interviewed like enough people to have that conversation in a healthy way i think is you have to find a way to actually know who you are when the lights and the cameras and everything go off, like who you are.
And if you look the same exact and you act the same exact as you do on stage, then there is no separation and there's nothing that you can keep private for yourself and protect. So that makes sense as you've tried to kind of like give yourself basically your private life yeah yeah um okay you refer to yourself as a midwest princess what is the most midwestern thing about you um i say oh so much oh oh i'm sorry oh oh p-e um say that a lot is that a midwestern thing i think so oh i'm sorry oh oh ope um say that a lot is that a midwestern thing i think so oh i'm sorry i'm sorry you know that um i still am like i look at the gas prices here and i'm like golly over four dollars that's crazy and i'm like what the fuck bitch you've been here for almost 10 years like what are you talking it's never been under four dollars um i am one of the bitches that are like well we got here at the right time we got at this restaurant right at the right time look at the line i don't even care like as if i've ever given a fuck but i still say it i'm like stop um i get called out for saying roof instead of roof but i was like cement is how most people say it but i was raised cement like semen but cement yeah cement oh and i say insurance like different there's so there's like those things, but also it's like, I don't know.

I wish it was more acceptable to like be barefoot.

I wish that like, I don't know.

I guess that's like more country, but I'll eat food off the ground.

Love, build character.

I like, my car is so fucked up.

What kind of car do you drive?

Well, a beater.

It's not a beater. That's actually actually really dramatic it's my mom's old car um but it's just like i'm not gonna fix it like i'm just not gonna fix it wait you drive your mom's old car i've never bought my own car why not i'm like kind of embarrassed of cars like in general like if someone has a really nice car I'm like, it's much too much too much i don't and also i know i want to fuck it up but when you were in your maximalist era would you have gotten yourself a nice car or still that was like the one thing you wouldn't do that's i couldn't afford it yeah yeah it's like i couldn't i've never been a bitch to like with a car you know i just don't think it means anything but to me i guess it does because i'm always like i get what you mean it's like i just don't if i see a cyber truck i'm like no that shit is so fucking ugly i can't when i drive up next to it i'm like what in the brick ass shit is that yeah detent it detent i want to see who's in there who's driving that it's so fast you know who the only person i know who had it who who who

signed up for it i'm not even kidding because you could sign up for in like 2019 2020 my ex-boyfriend

is the only person i've ever known and you know what he has hentai tattoos white white white boy hentai tattoos um of just girls tied up he has um i actually probably shouldn't say everything actually he probably but that's like the vibe i'm like his vibe you're painting the picture for me i'm just like i don't know anyone who i'd hang out with that has a cyber truck i don't either so we're in good company tonight can you imagine what car do you drive do you drive a tesla okay i don't drive a tesla you're gonna hate me can i guess take a guess what if i said a cyber truck i would be like what are you doing you walk out of this interview i would be like no i do not drive a cybertruck i'm gonna guess a g-wagon no i drive a porsche okay that's classy the only reason i drive a porsche is because i never could afford a car my whole life and i had to drive my grandmother's car to school and i was that bitch that couldn't just own it and i would like park four blocks away and i was so mortified because i went to this like preppy ass school that i couldn't afford and all the kids were driving fucking nice ass cars but obviously their parents were paying for it so like kind of embarrassing and i would park away and the door wouldn't open so i had to get out on the other side and climb through the window it was a whole thing that's awesome it built character you know and then when i got to high school i remember this one girl that i was like thought she was so cool and she drove a porsche and it was like the cayenne or whatever yeah i've only had one car in my life and it's that and push cayenne yeah yeah when i was a nanny um the family had the nanny car was a porsche cayenne so i've

actually driven that before it's a nice car but for it to be the nanny car that's that's the

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Like, I don't know when that is realistic, if ever. Do you want that? Like, get married and hell? Yeah.
I don't know. I, like, part of me is like, is it even going to be legal to marry? Like, my wife one day, you know? I don't know.
So, but kids, I, all of my friends who have kids are in hell i don't know anyone i actually don't know anyone who's like happy and has children at this age i have like like a one-year-old like three-year-old four and under five and under i don't i literally have not met anyone who's happy anyone who has like light in their eyes anyone who has he was slept this is not looking too good i'm like why did my parents do that i'm the oldest of four my mom had me at 23 wait when you're saying that about your friends though like do they think this is all wild that like how famous you are and like all of it when they see articles about you are they like calling you up and be like kaylee what the fuck or are they just like this is your life bitch like texas when you want to come over i think yeah like they they're just like they're mothers like they're fucking busy and they have jobs and lives like i am i am just their friend you know what i mean like they are so sweet and so supportive and come out to shows and like they have to get fucking babysitters to come to my shows like i don't ever expect like when i go home i love reminiscing about like destroying public property with them and like doing some illegal shit and like literally hating the same bitches for 15 years like we just can't get over stuff we can't get i will never get over it's nice though it's like therapeutic when you have those girls from like when you're younger because it's like that is the shit that it genuinely is therapeutic to just be like and that little fucking cunt from and you're like i don't even know where she is these days they're probably a better person now that's the thing i still hate those bitches from high school there was one girl who said i like whatever beat her in the fucking talent show like whatever who cares like i won and she was like you did so good like i can't wait till your voice fully matures like I can't wait to actually hear it whenever you get like some lessons and some maturity in your voice and I was like we're the same age and to like I will show you and I think I did but also I'm trying to think. There's so many things.
Oh, here's one. Like, Hot To Go was, there was a line in Hot To Go.
I will never forget this. I was standing in line at lunch.
And there were two girls in front of me. Like, a few people up in front of me.
And they couldn't, they didn't know I was standing back there, but they were like talking about me. And they were like, oh, do you know who's dating? We'll say, what's the, what's the Western, Mr.
John. Okay.
Carolyn. Johnny Carolyn.

Let's say that's the boy's name. Okay.
Johnny Carolyn. Do you know who's dating Johnny Carolyn? They're like, oh, no, no, no.
Who? Oh, it's Kaylee Amstutz. Well, who is she? Oh, you know, she's like, she's not hot, but she's pretty.
She's like, she's like pretty, but she's not like hot. And so when I wrote hot to go,

that's why I'm like,

call me hot,

not pretty.

Cause like that was so ingrained in my heart of like,

I want to be the hot girl.

I want to be the hot girl.

I don't want to be called pretty.

You know,

but I wasn't, I wasn't hot in high school.

Like,

dude,

I,

whoever the fuck was peaked. Okay's kind of true right whoever was so banging hot they're not they're not doing too well okay that's so true and all the hot guys at my school i do you know i don't know i don't really know any hot guys at my school i don't think i grew up with hot guys there was no one that I was really attracted to but that's the shit though chapel that's like how crazy the shit that sticks with you like girls can be so fucking cutting when you're that young boys too but girls it's like you almost like care more in moments where you're like I'm pretty and anyone if like you don't get it it's like that is like the big they're trying to insult you this isn't like a nice but you're like and then you wrote that obviously banger ass song and now you're making fucking money off of it so it's true it is like the bad things that happen to me i can monetize that is what's awesome about being a songwriter like i went my breakup when i wrote like my kink karma vibes was the worst thing that's ever happened like genuinely i don't think it could have been worse but i got to like fuel an entire video and a song and a look a character just based off of horrible week of my life and when you do that though when you publish it do you feel like finally like you've expunged your soul of all that negativity or does it still slightly hang on when you have to perform those songs when i when when i do the festivals and i look in the camera and i say i dedicate this whatever i am actually thinking about them or whoever i'm dedicating but i do think about it and i'm like at lalapalooza i was like fuck you so hard for talking about you dating me like how could you talk about why are you bragging that you dated me you broke up with me that's the craziest part but it's so telling it's so embarrassing it's like you want clout how lame is your life you want clout you have to sleep so well at night knowing that though of like oh and i still get to monetize off this loser loser bye how do you decide when you have people call you chapel verse kaylee when i'm at work chapel but like none of my friends like call me chapel okay it's like who was your pop icon growing up hannah montana bitch and britney you can't say hannah montana to me and me not hannah montana need a minute i remember when the first episode came out the wig in the first episode then when they changed it so good it's still like i look back on that and i'm like they really didn't know if that shit was gonna pop off and then it was like the biggest fucking thing ever but that first wig is so telling they're like let's just fucking see if this shit works and then boom did you go to the concert i went to the um one where it was miley and Hannah.
So she starts as Hannah and then she transitions to Miley.

Is that the Jonas Brothers opened?

I remember.

Kansas City.

I remember that was the point when the Jonas Brothers weren't that big of a deal.

And I was so annoyed that they were on stage.

And my dad was like, one day you're going to have a crush on one of these boys.

And I was like, I reject that.

I'm disturbed by these men.

And then I obviously like fell in love with them like a couple of later nick or joe or sorry kevin oh i'm sorry no no no nick joe or kevin yeah i would say at first nick i did the whole thing cried diabetes obviously okay did you cry too no i always hated the jonas brothers what but here's the thing joe's so fucking nice to me now i've grown up to love them like yeah i when i was young i was like you i was like i don't care about the boys i just want hannah hannah and when they came out i was like oh fucking god like shut i was in i was nine and i literally said when they came out i was like oh my fucking god i don't care i believed in god at that time and i was saying that shit in my head i couldn't get on board and then yes hannah at that point like do you remember like east northumberland high good and broken you and me together bitch i made music videos to that shit i was religious and all this to say like i love the joe's like when i was nine i was i think it was just the lesbian in me that just had no interest in seeing them as an idol as a child but now i'm like work yes okay i'm gonna ask you give me the first song that comes to mind when i tell you this ready favorite song to belt out in the shower this is the part when i break free because i don't want a day in love go to song when you need a good cry oh long it was a fever cold sweat hot head a believer stay by Rihanna which I um auditioned to with the yeah I auditioned with it for the voice I didn't make it on the show obviously thank god thank god i didn't i didn't make it maybe it is so much better because imagine if you were like not that it's bad to come from the voice but the story is better without the voice right your come up is just a little bit better yeah okay that's this the song that belongs on every workout playlist

uh my favorite song of all time when you see me in the club you better think about or you better

oh you think about us yeah yeah you better make that shit work

it's the it's a will i'm gonna scream and shout with britney spears

um your crowd pleaser karaoke song i fucking hate karaoke moving on i because i don't want to try yeah i don't i don't like feeling like i have to try to sing well if i'm not doing it for work because then it feels like a like, look at me.

I love karaoke is for people who never get to sing.

Yes. To sing.

And then we sing your songs.

And I'm like, like, I hate singing it.

But I did.

I don't know.

One time I pretended I put in like.

I was at a seafood boil in the middle of Apalachicola, Florida.

We were an off day on tour.

And we went to this seafood place.

And there was just a dad playing guitar.

And it was like, does anybody out there want to sing a duet with me?

And my whole touring crew was like,

yes, go, go, go.

And I was like, please stop, please stop.

And then I was like, fine, I will.

And he was like, come on up.

What's your name?

And I think I was like, Madeline.

And he's like, Madeline, what do you want to sing?

Here are my lists.

And I look down and I see Shallow. And I was like, Madeline, what do you want to sing? Here are my lists.
And I look down and I see Shallow.

And I was like, Shallow?

And he was like, Really?

You want to do Shallow?

And I was like, Mm-hmm.

And like, literally, I did it and I went,

I want to defend!

Like up there.

It was all old people and families.

It was literally like old people and then like moms with four kids who were like tired and like people like turned around because i was ripping it and afterwards like i just sat down literally old people just started standing up and they were like you have to try out for american idol you have to try out and i was like oh my god stop i'm not that good and then i went to orlando and opened for olivia rodrigo the next day dude that fucking man just being like really want to do this are you sure honey you're like no but let's fucking do it i don't know i'm up here right hurry up before i fucking leave dick that's hilarious though like do you ever get moments like that of anonymity where you get to like feel like people actually don't know who you are anymore do you ever like dress up disguise i think people are scared of me really i think i made a big enough deal about not talking to me that people do not talk to me. That's, I think, the truth of it all.
And I've been with people, like friends who are like artists and they're like, when they're with me, they're like, it's a force field around us. People don't come up to me if I'm with you.
And I think I'm just like, damn, say, baby, you say it too. You say, don't touch touch me don't touch me don't look at me don't don't talk to me i don't know who you are and they won't come out to bother you what a concept that is fucking hilarious though that other celebrities are like bitch look at what it's a force field i'm not not just by one person by like three three or four do you love it that you said it it hurts that i have to yeah it hurts i i know it really hurts people because they take it really um they feel like it's me disrespecting them that i owe it to them and that how dare i call it abuse and it's like or complaining about success i get that a lot but i'm not complaining about success i'm just complaining about creepy behavior i love i love like admiration everyone loves admiration like i just don't want you to like interrupt me at like when i'm having a fight with a girl my girlfriend like don't fucking be like can i get a photo when i'm crying crying talking to my girlfriend that's fucking crazy you're like i'm actually in the middle of um breaking up with someone or getting cheated on right now spare me yeah take a picture all the way across there of the back of my head and post it you know and it's like i can't i of course of course it's gonna take a second to for people to like really look at themselves and like i have to have grace for that like i didn't how would i know any better if i already see hannah montana i would have to tell her that i i love her music so much and that like she means a lot to me but in reality it's like no i don't right because that's not hannah right there that's not hannah that's destiny oh cyrus cyrus anyway sorry i fucking love you okay you wrote your song at Pony Club about the Abbey here in Los Angeles.
True or not true? Yes, true. Why are you looking away from me? Have you had your phone stolen there? Have I had my phone? Stolen at the Abbey? I've never gone to the Abbey because apparently, well.
Because you get your phone stolen. Wait, what? It's crazy.
I have had three friends whose phone got stolen wait okay so tell me about like this the night or the story is that the story like what is it but tell me about i've never gone to the abbey because everyone's like it's not even good anymore it used to be good now it's not good anymore okay well obviously when i went the night was fucking awesome because i was like it's like it was amazing and i just couldn't stop dancing and I was obsessed with the go-go dancers and the music was so loud and everyone was so hot and making out and I had never seen anything like it and I wanted to be a like a go-go dancer exotic dancer after that and so I was like looking into it and I just was like I felt like really embarrassed if someone from like a record label were to see me dancing I would just feel really embarrassed because I don't know like I just felt really subconscious and so instead I a song about me being the dancer. So that's what Pink Pony is about.
It's like me being the dancer at the Abbey. And like, I'm scared to go to the Abbey now.
Because my phone is going to get fucking stolen. And your phone cannot get stolen.
I mean, would you care? It's true. No.
No. Yes, you would.

No.

I don't care.

There's nothing on your fucking phone.

They can't get into it.

It's like you're the one that has like the 17 number password, not the four.

Okay.

How do you feel about a dance floor make out?

I look the other way.

Okay.

Before you were famous, would you be down or no?

I get really uncomfortable, but I am the bitch that makes all the dance floors.

Thank you. i look the other way okay before you were famous would you be down or no i get really uncomfortable but i am the bitch that makes all the dance floor i just like i'm like a hypocrite when it comes to pda i'm like what the fuck and then i will like be drunk making out i've done it with so many different people it's fun though it's so fun if i'm fucked up like i don't care but if i don't really drink anymore so when i see people making out like i just laugh i can't stop laughing the only way i feel like for a dance floor make out is to be drunk or on drugs in weho it's like it it's like at brunch you know it's not even like there's not even a dance floor.
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tell most like chaotic night out on tour or even just like on the road um probably the night tell me please one night one night i thought my bus driver of the tour bus driver um was gonna leave without us I was going to drive away and i called like my tour manager and i was like hey something's going on like the bus driver's like being kind of weird and like i think he's really mad he's like just stomping around and like i thought he was leaving i like it looked like he was driving away but then he backed up i think he's really pissed off at us and I think we should get on the bus she thought I was kidding and so she was like oh yeah he's going crazy I heard he I heard he hit someone and then that you know we don't worry about it like the cops are on the way and I was like holy fuck and then I got up I got on the bus bus nowhere to be found. And I was like, everybody on the bus, get your cat, get your passports and let's get off.
Come on. It's literally like the sound team.
Like I'm about to start crying. Everyone's drunk.
Like it's so bad. It's like after a show, it's the night before we go to Coachellaella and i'm like the cops are coming everyone get it get out get out the cops are coming get your passports get something that's important to you and get off the bus i didn't know my tour manager was kidding and so then i like i was so fucked up and i was just crying i was like something's really wrong like the bus drivers being really weird and we're not gonna be able to make it to Coachella and my tour manager was like I was kidding and I was like then what's going on like then what's even going like but the bus driver is being weird what do we do and she's like I literally don't like no one knew what to do and i was like i'm just confused we have to make dick coachella we have to and we did this poor man like walks out of peeing and he's like why is everyone acting weird that is what fucking happened he's like holding your cats in your passports and you're like he's gonna attack us that's literally what happened he's like i'm not gonna attack you nothing's wrong guys and i was just so drunk i was like he's on a rampage everyone get off the bus like sorry sir we love you drive oh dude dude alcohol can do some weird fucking shit i don't drink anymore i shouldn't i the only time i drink actually the only time i drink is my birthday night i had my birthday wait how did you celebrate i went to jumbo's clown room how was that no oh tell me everything it's a strip club but it's not like a it's very gay it's like a lot of lesbian vibes are you a lap dance girl like what are you what's your vibe they gave me a lap dance and it was fun usually those things are really make me uncomfortable, but I was drunk so I didn't care.
And yeah, I rented the whole place out. It was a dream birthday.
It was a dream come true. And those girls fucking know how to work a pole.
The pole does not spin. Like it's not.
They do it like it's real. I remember like the last time i was at a strip club i remember just

like staring at them in awe and i was like i hope they don't think this is creepy but like i'm genuinely just so fascinated by how you're doing that because like my neck hurts and my back hurts watching you do that you're fucking incredible they're iconic athletes cheers to the girls how has your relationship to your sexuality evolved over the years obviously i've come into being more comfortable with saying i'm queer with dating women um but i don't, something like fucked up my sexuality.

This I think like my nervous system is so fried that I can't even feel like flirtatious.

Like it's just too intense to even like be sexual at all.

I'm just just too like too sensitive, you know.

Do you want to be or you're not feeling like you're missing anything?

No, I do.

I want to be because I think that like that was a part of myself that was fun and like

Thank you. you know do you want to be or you're not feeling like you're missing anything no i do i want to because i think that like that was a part of myself that was fun and like i feel like that part of me exists on stage but off stage it's like it's this kind of um i kind of reverted back to a very shameful part of myself and how I relate to sex just because it's like when there's so much of you in the world that is exposed.
then like being sexual with someone is so vulnerable because the rest of your life is so vulnerable that it's like it almost is too i want to save something like i just don't want to be that vulnerable with so many fucking people do you ever though like resent the chapel rhone moments because then you're like you're saying you're feeling it on stage you're like enjoying yourself you're feeling sexual then you're going home as Kaylee and being like I just don't want to enjoy that like are you ever like fuck am I sacrificing my real moments of being able to find myself and embrace my sexuality for people and my art I resent myself for i resent the job because i can no longer yes sexuality has like is it's just different now and like but i resent not being able to like be a friendly neighbor because i can't like go out and meet my neighbors and be like, hi, I'm Kaylee. I live here.
This is what my car looks like. This is what time I'm home and when I'm not, you know? So then people all of a sudden know exactly.
It's just a recipe for a stalker situation. So I resent that part of my career path.
There's just so much you don't know that you're signing up for you don't know that you're signing up that your your whole your body changes it is like going through puberty um and that's what i was told i didn't i didn't really know if that was true but the pop girls were like it feels like a second puberty i do think like i what i appreciate about you saying that though is like i feel like it's important to recognize that your passion for art the goal is for people to enjoy it because you love it you want people to you want people to connect to it you want people to experience it but that obviously comes then with the fame aspect and then fame is the thing that i think people get so frustrated by you saying that but it's like no no no like you're you love your art that's not what you're saying you don't love you're saying you don't love the thing that comes with that and i think yeah but the beautiful thing is the art like what do you think chapel rhone would mean mean to young kaylee

i don't even know if my younger self would be able to register that is a part of me like that's How removed I was so, so, so like opposite of me now. Like it just wasn't awoken.
It's like awakened in me, you know, like young Kaylee just felt so restricted because I was so, I was a very, I was a problem child and so angry and so like depressed and just felt like no one understood me.

And now that part of me is so alive.

And I always did want to like dress up and be super girly or be really like tomboy or i just wanted to be free but i did never think that it would actually happen and now that it has it's like i don't think she would believe it at all i don't think she would could ever believe that like this is what i do but doesn't that make you now happy yeah it's awesome it's like that part is awesome that i really honored my inner child to the max i think now what it is is like how do i honor my adults yeah the max it's like i don't know because this is all new and no but there's no rule but there's like every artist every pop girl the next move is like a question mark yeah because some some girls put out the first album had an incredible first album won a bunch of shit then take five years off some girls go right into it and then they end up releasing something they hate and then they release another album that they love like they never stop some just tour for there is no game plan of like how do i make sure i make the right decision that's so fucking relatable and obviously the things you're dealing with there are elements that certain people will never understand just like we may never understand certain parts of each other just like people watching this are like you guys would never understand what i'm going through but i do think it's relatable to say and I don't think that you should be criticized for acknowledging that there is an element to your life that is very confusing right now and it is okay to be so grateful and also be so fucking confused and angry in moments because that's life and I think that when someone's sitting in this chair like Chapel Rhone you're supposed to in people's mind have the answers be grateful smile tell us this is the coolest fucking thing that's ever happened because all of us want to be famous but then it's like at what point are we going to start to realize that so many people that do end up in the spotlight are yelling like this is not all that it's cracked up to me this shit is hard we're not asking for you to like feel so fucking bad for us but a little bit of empathy

goes a long way with human beings i think that's chill to say yeah i don't think and and who gives a fuck if at one point they don't understand it like i really like that you are being honest about it rather than smiling and be like i fucking love my job alex everything's good like yeah you're not robotic i think it's also people expect me to play by different roles because i'm gay and i should be more politically correct about that and i should actually be way more knowledgeable about it and so i get asked a lot of fucking crazy questions that a lot of my peers would not get asked and that's because i'm gay and that's because like i have like my opinions but that doesn't mean i'm like completely like i don't know everything about every topic i have opinions on like i don't know everything about like being gay like i don't know everything about being a woman i don't know everything about fucking fashion or drag or performing like i try to know everything i can and but like when i don't answer a question correctly or like i don't acknowledge one community it's like how can i do it all like you can't can these girls how can these girls tour write

perform can these girls how can these girls tour write perform interview sleep eat and eat and fucking work out and like how can they do it all and lead a team and be a boss and pay people and like and be like fucking so politically educated it's it's exhausting and it's also impossible also why the fuck are you looking to me for some political answer you think i have the fucking answer but you're like listen to my song bitch turn it out like i'm a pop star i wish i had the answers i wish the president was a pop star but she's not i feel like something that you just said that is very apparent and i was excited today too was like this what you're saying we could do 19 fucking hours on because it's like the double standard of one, you being a woman to be a gay woman.

There's so much that comes with it.

And it's like everyone in interviews, like you said, like there's people asking you questions that you're like, I don't fucking know.

And that's why I'm excited that like I feel like it's been I'm excited that we're going to have fun today.

We're having fun and talking about more light topics because it's clear that like you're fucking funny you're funny you're you're a good time i want to play a little game okay okay this is kind of inspired by your song casual love the song i'm gonna give you a situationship scenario and you're gonna tell me if it's still casual or not are you ready yeah okay they meet your entire friend group apparently it's still it's casual apparently it is apparently it's casual if you meet your parents apparently okay but you don't want it to be wait the parents is fucking crazy apparently apparently it's casual if you sexed for three months that's fucking crazy we have you ever brought a new hookup around your friends and they're like

absolutely not we do not fuck with this person yeah and then i've dated them for four more years

you're like love you besties but you're not like yeah that's how it goes and then when you break

up being stupid that's like that is just actually like listen that's how it goes and then when you break up just being

stupid that's like that is just actually like listen to your friends fucking listen to your friends if your friends are telling you this guy is like weird or this girl is weird like something is like off but you don't you can't tell really no one it's like it's not bad enough for anyone to tell you anything just fucking listen to them if the vibe is off it's something is wrong stop seeing them i know because your friends like don't care your friends usually aren't trying to fuck you uh-uh well sometimes that's uh we're moving on okay casual or not they make solo plans with you to celebrate their

birthday that's a date i mean i guess it could be casual no i think no that's not fucking casual crazy that's not casual thank you the birthday is crazy what is a safe gift to get a situationship just buy their dinner don't yeah i don't know i'm not a gift don't make them anything that's for sure don't fucking make a casual person anything yeah that's fair i think you can get them like a bottle of alcohol yeah a bottle of alcohol is nice um probably like not a car maybe a card that is you're gonna say a car i'm like chapo i'm not the girl that i'm not her um a safe gift i mean oh i don't even want to think about it just buy a fucking meal just pay a ticket be like hey can i take you out for a movie do an experience so you don't have to like no one hates a stuffed animal more than me have you been given many stuffed animals that's so dumb that's so bad that's so bad did you keep them i think i've burned oh i burned a pile there was something going on when i was 17 okay they start calling you pet names before you're official that's like flirty oh pet names like boo boo oh so like what what is the pet name that you i don't know what's a pet name that you've been called what's the cringiest pet name that you have ever had called to you or you called someone don't lie to me i don't know what's wrong with me it's just gonna give away who it is i can't do it yeah no it's fine it's fine what do you i mean i don't know what is the i'm maybe obviously they're like babe and baby but then there's like the weird ones where cuddle cuddlekins that type thing or like oh stuff in movies yeah yeah that was good cuddlekins i've never heard that okay what is the most extravagant thing you've ever bought someone uh probably like venmoing my brother 500 i love that we're playing a romantic game you're like uh my brother i thought it was in general that's very romantic that's actually so fucking crazy the most romantic thing you've ever done my brother my brother venmo. Venmo.
Duh. 500 bucks, bitch.
I mean, maybe. Most extravagant gift is like writing music for them.
I wrote an entire EP for someone. It never came out.
What? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Did they hear it? Yeah, they loved it. Actually, they didn't love it as much as i thought they would but like i worked really hard on it and whatever wait chapel can you walk me through that moment where you're like i'm gonna show you how did you tell the person that you had this for them and what was the i gave it on a c i burned it on a cd and i gave them my old cd player and my headphones and i said you should listen to this i made it for you and then there was like an entire five track ep were you in the room when they listened or no i don't i don't remember but i did like write hand write all the lyrics and like it was like honestly awesome and i think i've never given a gift like that again because i was so burned by like the relationship i'm like fuck that i'll never do that again bye how long after did you break up like two and a half years later or something like that.

Yeah.

It was crazy.

You would never release one of those songs?

They're not good enough.

Okay.

Okay.

You sleep in each other's houses multiple times a week.

Casual.

Apparently. I can't stop saying apparently because i've been in all these fucking situations and like i don't think so i think that's like i that's i mean i guess it's kind of casual no like three plus times it's not casual yeah three plus two times is like fine what the fuck ever like like a like a friday and like a booty call on like a tuesday fine do you feel like you're usually in the position where the person you're seeing is in the power position are you you in the, I'm getting a little bit of a vibe here, chapel that maybe you're not, not in power.
Yeah. Yes.
Because I've been in the past desperate for companionship. So I will go along with what they want.
Relatable. And we'll give up like basically my values and um yeah i would just give away my i throw away my personality because i don't want to be lonely and then i get mad at them for like being like this is casual whatever you know and i'm like but I threw away my entire personality for this like like i gave up my weekends for this like i you know what i mean and that's why i'm like bitter about it but honestly yeah it's like next question i just want you to know that that clip is going to replay in people's mind because that is the most relatable fucking thing anyone has ever said sitting in that fucking chair because i have done the same fucking thing it's never worth it never and the thing is like all the people that i threw my entire life away my self-respect like i disregarded all my friends i disregarded all like my gut feelings i disregardedarded.
You know what? It never fucking works out.

Ever.

It never works out.

Anyone you have to throw anything away for, it never works out.

Or you get married and then you get divorced.

And you think that'll get better when you get married, but it never does.

It only gets worse.

Yeah.

Rewind to your friends having fucking kids. You said they're're in hell but they're in hell because they love their kids have your friends ever successfully set you up with someone no i'm hard i'm hard what wait yes oh my god yeah i dated someone for a year because my friends set me up bad or good decision i mean the whole thing was casual but we dated for a year that's why i'm saying all this stupid shit yeah but this is life are you kidding me i've been fucking dragged through the mud by a man and i'm just like but i still love you and it's like dumb bitch he is literally giving you every fucking sign and more and you're still like i'm just reading into it wrong he he didn't mean that yeah he did so you're like i see the best in them it's like no you just stop stop stop you're disgusting i look back at my younger self i'm like you need to be done go fucking celibate you didn't know i know it's so fucking sad we are you a good wing woman like in the sense of helping your friends like find people no no okay i don't want to try i don't try i'm not i don't want to ever sign anyone up i think people should be single okay i'm assuming you're single right now imagine you're like i'm actually so in love imagine you fucking look at me and you go two years in babe never been better

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they will screenshot this and like send it to someone else that's like why i can't you're like i guess we're getting married no lucky for you yeah um how would you describe your type i really don't have one i know everyone said that but

like i don't know i love um i just love as far as like looks and stuff i don't like really have a type but i love art girls like weird art girls girls who love to read and love to like who are of like very niche like i probably like a girl that collects things and like is okay with an exotic pet owned a hamster one time and would own one again or like doesn't give a fuck about their car will pick up a worm is not scared of like bugs and snakes um can get down watching a foreign film would be okay like having zero plan so like have you ever taken the enneagram test i have and i cannot tell you what my fucking number is because i did it so long ago i think i'm an eight are you gonna walk out on me

I'm an eight are you gonna walk out on me i'm an eight no that's rare i remember taking everyone thought i was gonna be a two what the fuck is it and you're an eight i'm an eight that's iconic do you like me more now i i am you're gonna say me. Yeah, we're both eights.

What does that mean?

I like a seven.

A seven is someone who's like the enthusiast.

Like someone who's just like,

woo, party.

I just want to have a good time.

Maybe that's what I am.

The enthusiast?

What's an eight called?

The challenger.

I'm the challenger.

That's me.

Dude, that's me.

What the fuck?

That's cool.

That's why I'm like pointing at people on the red carpet.

I'm like the challenger. Okay, good to know.
What is the boldest thing you've ever done to shoot your shot with someone send a nude i guess i don't know just like we'll be talking like regular and i'll be like that was one time another time

oh this was so

this was so fucking stupid

I do not think

I'm like actually not proud of this

ex-boyfriend's at the club

I'm at the club

I see him hitting on this girl

Thank you. friends at the club i'm at the club i see him hitting on this girl and i'm like why the fuck is he doing this in front of me this is evil like we're both single at this point so whatever he goes to the bathroom i go up to this girl and i'm like i think you're so pretty and then i steal her and then at the end of the night we were just making out and he's just just standing there that's weaponizing gay actually that that is that's called being evil and it's like i was so fucked up i was on multiple drugs so was that girl he i don't even know what he's on like and that girl like her name was something crazy.
It was like Prince Lee or something. Oh, my God.
It was crazy. Did you, were you even into her? Yeah, she was so pretty.
And then, yeah, and then I threw up outside and I was like, actually, this is so dumb. Like, what am I doing? Did you wake up the next morning with the scaries or were you like victory i was just like yeah shame on you you weaponized gay i will never do that again okay but it made for a good fucking story on color daddy um do you have any immediate deal breakers car shit yeah you really this car shit is not something happened to me i don't know what the fuck something happened to me um jesus bad breath chewing with their mouth open is gray gray people who are who like don't tip oh my god that freaks me out or treat if they treat their waiter bad i will never talk to them the same i feel like people always whenever people are like oh that's a like obvious but i'm like no but i feel like when it's rare but when it happens it is like so fucking crazy and you sit there and you're like clenching your body like you hear about this in the movies and it's fucking happening in front of my eyes get the fuck out of here you freak i don't like that i don't like when they talk about their exes badly or their the women in their family badly i don't date men anymore but that was like a common thing it's not crazy it was like talking shit about their mom about their sister um yeah dude it's like i'm sensitive to smells so but i'm thinking about immediate deal breakers i don't know dude like i think their music taste says a lot what would turn you off like if someone doesn't like beyonce i'm like that says a lot more than what i need you know what I mean is there anything they could be into that you're like no you're like you can't say it I can't say that okay let's talk about your new song The Giver what is the story behind it well i was just oh god i'm so annoyed with literally just the boys when i grew up where i grew up like just like literally talking about having sex with these girls and how like the girls loved it so much and And like, I think about me and how performative I was and like how actually like when I started having sex with women, I didn't really even know what to do because I was so used to performing like everything, just like so performative.
And, and I think about hooking up with women compared to men and like how much women give to their partner instead of like with men i just obviously i was dating some not awesome people but what the common denominator was like they could not get it through their head like what they're doing like wasn't right and even if i was being like i don't think that feels good they were still doing it but at that point it's on me it's like bitch just break up what is wrong with you but the fact that i have dated so many guys who do it wrong and don't really they haven't figured out that they need to do better that they need to give more the giver what I'm saying in the song is these country boys are not going to give you what you need if you want to have an orgasm which which a lot of ladies don't. Apparently.
No. No.
I didn't. I didn't care about it.
My whole life. Obviously.
Until I met women. And so it was like such a like, holy fuck.
I i'm gonna write the giver about

showing that actually sex should be um a giving experience and it's of course we love the kinky

girls of course we love the doms we love the the subs like love but there's still a given

there's still a giving whatever so i wrote the giver about that just about like

Thank you. love but there's still a give and there's still a giving whatever so i wrote the giver about that just about like i think specifically in femme relationships it's such an understanding that it is so a giving give you know um it's mutual it's yeah it and i just feel like when i was with men it wasn't mutual i'm like how how did you date me for four years and you weren't concerned that i didn't orgasm not once again it's on me like boo boo you decided to stay in that relationship but it's like i if i could not get my girlfriend there i would do everything i would do anything however long i don't care i would do anything why did they not do anything why didn't they want to do anything why didn't they want to do everything for me we just start crying i do everything for my girlfriend you know no it's so fucking sad i was in the same position i stayed in a relationship and i literally would just lay there and be like i think he actually thinks he's hitting the clit and like he's at like the bottom of my labia like but do you tell him to go up i in moments would but i would find like it's fucking hard because then they shut down and then they're like and then it's like oh my god i'm so sorry like your little fucking ego you piece of shit but no then then you're just like jesus christ and then you're like i literally really go in the shower and just fucking master me like god bless me in america yeah fuck but then eventually i started to get fucking vocal towards the end of like if you can't fucking find it in 30 minutes this is i gotta go yeah then it is kind of on you when i started hooking up with women i realized how easy it is actually thank you i realized how easy it is to eat a girl out and how this whole time i thought it was your neck hurt so bad i know it's like hard my jaw hurts you know what's hard suck and dick.

Eating a girl out, you can lay down. It's actually

I was eating a girl out you can lay down it's it's actually i was fooled i was foolish to think that of course it wasn't as hard as what i was doing for them of course it wasn't that's why i would never do anal because i was like then let me peg you they would be like oh no way why not we just try let me peg you and then we can maybe we'll try right like let's uno reverse we both if you want to do what i want to do it and then they're like no no babe babe i is you that's one thing that we both have we both have that type we both have that hole figure it out but when i started hooking up with women i was like fuck you guys this is one enjoyable first of all finally second of all way way easier it's actually fucking crazy it's actually fucking crazy so what you can't find the clit work harder it may take 10 minutes longer that's fine i was always confused why my boyfriends didn't want to go down like because they're just so fucking selfish is that what it is or do you think that do you think that men don't actually like vulvas i think they do you think they do like that i think they do i think they're terrified of their masculinity being threatened if they don't really know what to do because they're so fucking dumb so then they just are like uh i guess it's different with certain men have you hooked up with a woman no should i yeah first of all yes matt but like sorry to cut you off no you're i'm i'm just saying i think that there's a different level of men depending on how fucking toxic masculinity they're working with because i think some men are just like i'm not fucking doing that then other men are like i really want to try but then they need to be taught but their ego has to be intact for them to be taught and then they can be taught trust me they can be taught sucking dick you only do one thing sometimes you can can get crazy. But really, it's only one type of motion.
Vulvas are so different and so intricate that it's hard. It's harder to find a clitoris and do exactly what someone with a clitoris likes than sucking a dick.
That's completely fair. Because it's like you have to also stay at at the certain pace if they're gonna like it's a some yeah like it's it is a lot more complicated but like i am just confused why like i'm just confused i'm you know what i'm confused by myself for staying and settling that's fair.
I think a lot of people are. Do you like to give first or receive first with your partner? Give first.
Okay. PDA or keep it private? Don't fucking do that.
Don't. Actually, legit, don't.
I just got really stressed out. FaceTimes or phone calls? I like both.
Okay. I like both.
A lot lot of like i feel like a lot of gin's ears just facetime instead of call but like i i like both yeah depending on the vibe yeah late night or morning sex late night late night make the first move or be pursued make the first move back in the day drunk sex or high sex uh god both are awesome but i probably high sex now yeah agree wand or rabbit i do not fuck with rabbits i don't fuck with like a lot of them honestly what is your favorite I guess wand or like the little

the like a lot of them honestly what is your favorite i guess wand or like the little head the the rose thing but it's not the rose have you tried the one that like pulsates and it's like the womanizer thing yes they kind of just like pulsates on your clit it's the best fucking thing ever yes i use it like every time i have sex work that is like what is also so different about. But for me, it's like for some reason, a lot of men that I've been with have been really uncomfortable with me using toys.
But like, I think it's like a given with a lot of like gay sex. So it's kind of awesome that that's not even like an issue.
I think that every single person should be able to bring toys into the bedroom and if your partner doesn't let you he's a little fucking bitch boy um okay i promise wrapping up just a couple more questions i want to just talk to you about obviously your career has been fucking insane this year like i don't even have words to describe it and with so much of that comes like what we've been

we were talking about earlier of just like pressures and things that you don't know how

to handle like have any female artists in the industry ever reached out to you to offer support

in all of this yeah like almost every girl wow yeah it's really awesome what piece of advice

do you think has helped you the most in all of this

Thank you. yeah it's really awesome what piece of advice do you think has helped you the most in all of this just that it feels like puberty it's like everything is gonna change and everything is gonna hurt and everything is gonna be uncomfortable now and that like there is a way to make life bearable again um and just like katie perry literally was so straight up she was like just don't read the comments good night is she like when she came up to me at brats so katie at sweat tour she's like Tour.
She's like, just don't read the comments, honey. Bye-bye.
It just like hopped off. And I was like, actually, yeah.
Like, why am I doing this to myself? And she is so like, these women have fucking done it. Like, and are still doing it.
And the way they're still doing it is by ultimate protection and another i mean the best piece of advice was spend more than you're comfortable with on security that's the thing you don't realize you don't realize how many people are watching you when you don't realize they are. Like everyone wants, some people want me dead.
Like it's crazy. People know everything about me.
People know my flight numbers. People know everything.
That was the crazy part. It happened literally overnight.
Like I landed, like everything was normal. Did GovBall.
It was was fine i was walking around new york i was getting stopped you know like oh my god i love you i was like oh thank you then i do fallon fly back the next day from fallon land at the airport there is someone waiting for me at my gate and this has never happened before and i was like oh what i was like how did you get in here and like they had like my album and stuff and they had bought a ticket to get through tsa just to get to my gate and then like when i got to baggage claim there were five people waiting so literally overnight and then it like happened so much after that and it like stuff has been happening like that since the feeling of being watched is the weirdest fucking thing i get why it's addictive though it's a dick it's addictive to walk in and know that everyone's looking at you and that everyone's saying that's addictive fame is so addictive i get it i get why people want this forever do you have like moments where you're like holy shit am i too in it right now like do you ever have moments where you try to pull back whether it's like i need to pull back on public appearances a little bit like i need to fucking be in a reality for like just a little bit more before i push myself back into it well that's why i do like stuff like this because it's fun yeah doing stuff that's soul sucking is actually where i lose myself yeah so if i'm like i can do my job but as long as it's fun then i feel like i haven't lost. But what feels like I'm too in it is when I start caring about numbers.
When I start caring about charts, when I start caring about checks, when I start caring about like, well, what is she doing? Oh, she's doing that much touring. OK, let's add some more.
It's like. That's when I'm not in reality anymore, because like.
actually the only thing that matters is like i go out on

stage and like make like me smile and then some other people smile and then i get off stage and pay my rent and that's it tell me if you have to in just like a one of the accomplishments or just a moment from this past year that you're the most proud of i mean the vmas were so awesome i had a great time i had a great time at the grammys like i think i'm real what i'm really what i'm actually most proud of myself for is like dang i didn't I didn't bend at the knee i did not kiss the ring that's actually what i think i'm the most i did not do like i did not jump through the hoops that i was told i had to to get a fucking grammy or like i did not have to kiss the ring of what whoever like i just you either like me as i am or don't invite me to a party or don't invite me to an award show or don't expect me to like i don't know i i'm very i'm most proud of myself for doing what makes me feel like a good person over what is the most how can i get the most money you know like i turn i just want to feel like a good person i don't care about anything else in this world like that's my deepest fear of all time in my heart of hearts my deepest fear is feeling a bad person and doing everything i can to be a good person and then still realizing i'm actually bad but that's some christian guilt there dude growing up catholic i was like you can't you can't shake it it's fucking hard um favorite song to perform i like making his karma love who is your dream artist to collaborate with scissor fuck that would be good um you started off 2025 winning a grammy can you tease anything else to the daddy gang of what is to come this year oh the giver is not the only song i will say that and girl you know i'm gonna be coming out with looks for the for the festivals

chapel roan thank you so much for coming on caller daddy thank you for having me this is

such an honor you blew me away like one of the best interviews ever you're fucking insane no

you're insane like no and you are you are and good vibes thank you i like your questions

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