Chappell Roan: Are People Scared Of Me?

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Speaker 1 What is up, Daddy Gang?

Speaker 2 It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Speaker 2 Chapel Rone, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I am so happy to be meeting you. I'm such a fan.
So this is like a very cool moment. How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 I'm good.

Speaker 1 I have to tell you, everyone always wants to do like early interviews. I'm not a morning person.
So this is like one of the later interviews I've done. Are you a night person?

Speaker 2 I like both. I have insomnia.
Oh. So really, it's like I'm an all-day, all-night person until I take my pills.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. So you're just up.

Speaker 2 I'm up. You're with me right now.

Speaker 1 I am. Good to know.
Okay, good to know. Talk to me about what you are wearing.
This is everything.

Speaker 2 How did you pick this?

Speaker 2 Well, I'm styled by Dennisis Webb, but I'm wearing tom brown. And some of this is archival,

Speaker 2 which is amazing, but it's like a little white and red

Speaker 2 striped outfit vibe. All of it's Tom Brown.
It's just the best. He's the best.

Speaker 1 It literally looks like you are the host of this show.

Speaker 1 You look like you are running this room right now, and I'm the outsider. You look perfect.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, thank you.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're obviously known for your incredible, amazing outfits. What has been your favorite outfit to date that you've worn during a performance?

Speaker 2 I wore one for Bonnaroo that was club kid themed and it was latex, medical latex, sexy,

Speaker 2 kinky girl. And it is kind of like disturbing in a way, but I felt so awesome.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, now I need to go Google that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's, I look scary, but like, I love looking like kind of crazy and scary. Um, but I love that.
I mean, the Lalapalooza one was so fucking awesome because I got to wear tennis shoes.

Speaker 1 Gov ball when you literally like were all green.

Speaker 2 Okay, I don't think people know this. I had to spread my cheeks.

Speaker 1 You're lying to me.

Speaker 2 No, right. I just spread my cheeks and get sprayed with green.
And like, it didn't come off. The way I got that off was I took three baths, not soap, dish soap.

Speaker 2 I literally poured dish soap in and scrubbed, rubbed my whole body with coconut oil, jumped in, scrubbed with a literal like kitchen sponge, and every all of it came off, except there was a green tint to my skin, so I literally looked moldy for four days.

Speaker 1 How, like, humbling when all of your fans are like, queen sleigh, you look gorgeous, and then you're home literally scrubbing your asshole, and you're like, no, yeah, this is my love.

Speaker 2 I was like scrubbing

Speaker 2 my like bikini lines, and like my pubes are pulling out from

Speaker 2 it all. I don't have, I'm not, I'm not even even like lasered or anything.
It's so glamorous. I just can't.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I fucking love it. Okay.
How do you usually though dress on a chill day? Like, are you always going hard glam? Are you always having an outfit?

Speaker 2 Sometimes I love having an outfit, but usually not with glam like this. Like I'm not wearing a lash or, you know, anything like that or nails really.
But

Speaker 2 I'm not in a lot of color. That's the thing.
Like I'm in a lot of blacks and a lot of like taupes and whites and creams. Like nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Are you ever doing sweatpants?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Sometimes. Okay.
But I'm in like, I wear a lot of skirts. I'm very modest when it comes to my day-to-day.

Speaker 2 And I think it's just because,

Speaker 2 one,

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm in LA and I can dress like more masculine and not get like dirty looks. And so, but I feel like in other parts of the country, it's like, I just

Speaker 2 dress more feminine, so I don't like deal, I don't want to deal with it, you know.

Speaker 1 Isn't it so annoying when you're like, I don't even want to deal with these comments or these looks, so I'm going to just like

Speaker 1 blend in for you all. I don't want to, but I don't have the time of day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so fuck off. I used to dress fucking crazy, though.
Before like all of this happened, and I had energy and like light in my eyes, I would literally just wear my thong out,

Speaker 2 mini skirt, bottom-ass cheeks out, nipples, see-through, and this fucking trash.

Speaker 2 I dress like

Speaker 2 really, really bimbo-y.

Speaker 2 And like, I had, I wore like silicone, like, breast, like, boob inserts to make my boobs come up to my fucking, like up to my clavicle or whatever. Um, and so

Speaker 2 I just like lost my shine. Why? Um, because uh, it became my job.
And then I was like, I'm fucking tired. And glam takes, I mean, at that time,

Speaker 2 I wasn't like,

Speaker 2 I was just in my room, high as fuck,

Speaker 2 doing my makeup on TikTok live for three hours every night.

Speaker 2 And then I would go out in like this like insane drag makeup and like all these thrifted like 70s disco, always in fucking heels, just a maximalist. And that was so amazing.
And then it just got to be

Speaker 2 like there was no separation yeah like i would be out as kaylee in that and then i would be on stage as that and then there was like no separation it just got i would look at myself in the mirror and be like what's the difference between chapel and like

Speaker 1 i understand that now because i've interviewed like enough people to have that conversation in a healthy way i think is you have to find a way to actually know who you are when the lights and the cameras and everything go off who you are.

Speaker 1 And if you look the same exact and you act the same exact as you do on stage, then there is no separation and there's nothing that you can keep private for yourself and protect.

Speaker 1 So that makes sense as you've tried to kind of like give yourself basically your private life.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Um, okay, you refer to yourself as a Midwest princess.
What is the most Midwestern thing about you?

Speaker 2 Um, I

Speaker 2 say, oh,

Speaker 2 so much. Oh, oh, I'm sorry.
Oh,

Speaker 2 oh, O-P-E.

Speaker 2 Um, say that a lot. Was that a Midwestern thing? I think so.
Oh, that not from the Midwest. I'm sorry.
Oh, I'm sorry. You know, that.

Speaker 2 I still am like,

Speaker 2 I look at the gas prices here and I'm like, golly,

Speaker 2 over $4. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, but the fuck, bitch, you've been here for almost 10 years. Like, what are you talking about? It's never been under $4.

Speaker 2 I am one of the bitches that are like, well, we got here at the right time we got at this restaurant right at the right time look at the line

Speaker 2 i don't even care like i as if i've ever given a

Speaker 2 but i still say it i'm like stop um

Speaker 2 i get called out for saying roof instead of roof

Speaker 2 but i was like

Speaker 2 cement is

Speaker 2 how most people say it but i was raised cement like semen but cement yeah cement oh and i say say insurance, like different. So there's like those things, but also it's like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I wish it was more acceptable to like be barefoot. I wish that like, like,

Speaker 2 I don't know. I guess that's like more country, but I'll eat food off the ground.
And like, I'm like, character. I, like,

Speaker 2 my car is so fucked up. What kind of car do you drive? Well, I, a beater.
I bought, I, it's not a beater. That's actually really dramatic.
It's my mom's old car. Um, but

Speaker 2 it's just like, I'm not going to fix it. Like, I'm just not going to fix it.

Speaker 1 Wait, you drive your mom's old car?

Speaker 2 I've never bought my own car.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 2 I'm like kind of embarrassed of cars, like in general. Like, if someone has a really nice car, I'm like,

Speaker 2 it's too much. Too much.
It's too much. I don't.
And also, I know I'm going to fuck it up.

Speaker 1 But when you were in your maximalist era, would you have gotten yourself a nice car? Or still, that was like the one thing you wouldn't do?

Speaker 2 That's, I couldn't afford it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like, I couldn't, I've never been a bitch to like with a car, you know, I just don't think it means anything, but to me, I guess it does because I'm always like

Speaker 2 ick.

Speaker 1 I get what you mean.

Speaker 2 Like, I just don't, if I see a cyber truck, I'm like,

Speaker 1 no, that shit is so fucking ugly. I can't, when I drive up next to it, I'm like, what in the

Speaker 1 brick ass shit is that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, detint it. D-tint it.
I want to see who's in there.

Speaker 2 Who's driving that?

Speaker 2 It's so fast. You know who? The only person I know who had it,

Speaker 2 who, who signed up for it. I'm not even kidding.
Because you could sign up for it in like 2019, 2020.

Speaker 2 My ex-boyfriend is the only person I have ever known. And you know what? He has hintai tattoos.
White, white, white boy. Hentai tattoos

Speaker 2 of

Speaker 2 just girls tied up. He has,

Speaker 2 I actually probably shouldn't say everything. Actually, he probably, but that's like the vibe.
I'm like, okay,

Speaker 1 you're painting the picture for me.

Speaker 2 I'm just like,

Speaker 2 I don't know anyone who I'd hang out with that has a Cybertruck. I don't either.

Speaker 1 So we're in good company tonight. Can you imagine it?

Speaker 2 What car do you drive? Do you drive a Tesla?

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't drive a Tesla. You're going to hate me.

Speaker 2 Can I guess? Take a guess.

Speaker 2 What if I said a cyber truck? I would be like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 You walk out of this interview. I would be like, fuck you.
No, I do not drive a Cybertruck.

Speaker 2 I'm going to guess

Speaker 2 a

Speaker 2 G-Wagon.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I drive a Porsche.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's classy. The only reason I drive a Porsche is because I never could afford a car my whole life.
And I had to drive my grandmother's car to school. And I was that bitch that couldn't just own it.

Speaker 1 And I would like park four blocks away. And I was so mortified because I went to this like preppy ass school that I couldn't afford.

Speaker 1 And all the kids were driving fucking nice ass cars, but obviously their parents were paying for for it. So, like, kind of embarrassing.

Speaker 1 And I would park away, and the door wouldn't open, so I had to get out on the other side and climb through the window. It was a whole thing.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. It built character, you know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when I got to high school, I remember this one girl that I was like, thought she was so cool. And she drove a Porsche and it was like the cayenne or whatever.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I've only had one car in my life, and it's that.

Speaker 2 Porsche Cayenne. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 When I was a nanny,

Speaker 2 the family had the nanny car was a Porsche Cayenne. So I've actually driven that before.

Speaker 1 It's a nice car, but for it to be the nanny nanny car, that's

Speaker 2 that's the vibe. That's the vibes of that.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, I am. They're really awesome.
We have such different lives. They are,

Speaker 2 a lot of them are married with children and like they have their own houses. And like,

Speaker 2 to me, I'm, I'm like,

Speaker 2 I don't know when that's going to happen for me. Like, I don't know when that is realistic, if ever.
So do you want that?

Speaker 2 Like, get married and yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I, like, part of me is, like, is it even going to be legal to marry, like, my wife one day, you know? I don't know.
So, but kids, I,

Speaker 2 all of my friends who have kids are in hell. I don't know anyone.
I actually don't know anyone who's like happy and has children at this age. I have like

Speaker 2 like a one-year-old, like three-year-old, four and under, five and under. I don't, I literally have not met anyone who's happy anyone who has like light in their eyes anyone who has who has slept

Speaker 1 these it's not looking too good I'm like why do my parents do that man I'm the oldest of four my mom had me at 23 wait when you're saying that about your friends though like do they think this is all wild that like how famous you are and like all of it when they see articles about you are they like calling you up and be like Kaylee what the fuck or are they just like this is your life bitch like text us when you want to come over I think they yeah like they they're just like they're mothers like they're fucking busy and they have jobs and lives.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 1 I am,

Speaker 2 I am just their friend. You know what I mean? Like, they are so sweet and so supportive and come out to shows.
And, like, they have to get fucking babysitters to come to my shows.

Speaker 2 And like, I don't ever expect, like, when I go home, I love reminiscing about like

Speaker 2 destroying public property with them and like doing some illegal shit and like

Speaker 2 literally hating the same bitches for 15 years. Like, like we just can't get over stuff.
We can't get, I will never get over.

Speaker 1 It's nice, though.

Speaker 1 It's like therapeutic when you have those girls from like when you're younger, because it's like that is the shit that it genuinely is therapeutic to just be like, and that little fucking cunt from, and you're like, I don't even know where she is these days.

Speaker 2 They're probably a better person now.

Speaker 2 That's the thing. I still hate those bitches from high school.
There was one girl

Speaker 2 who said,

Speaker 2 I like

Speaker 2 whatever, beat her in the fucking talent show, like, whatever, who cares? Like, I won, and she was like, You did so good. Like, I can't wait till your voice fully matures.

Speaker 2 Like, I can't wait to actually hear it whenever you get, like, some lessons and some maturity in your voice. And I was like,

Speaker 2 we're the same age.

Speaker 2 And two, like,

Speaker 2 I will show you.

Speaker 2 And I think I did.

Speaker 2 But also, I'm trying to think, there's so many things.

Speaker 2 Oh, here's one. Like, hot to go was, there was a line in hot to go.

Speaker 2 I will never forget this.

Speaker 2 I was standing in line at lunch,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 there were two girls in front of me, like a few people up in front of me, and they couldn't, they didn't know I was standing back there, but they were

Speaker 2 like talking about me. And they were like, oh, do you know who's dating

Speaker 2 we'll say

Speaker 2 uh what's the

Speaker 2 what's the wind western mr john

Speaker 2 okay carolyn johnny carolyn let's say that's the boy's name okay johnny carolyn do you know who's dating johnny carolyn They're like, oh, no, no, no, who? Oh, it's Kayleigh Amstuttz. Oh, who is she?

Speaker 2 Oh, you know, she's like,

Speaker 2 she's not hot, but she's pretty. She's like, she's like pretty, but she's not like hot.
And so when I wrote hot to go, that's why I'm like,

Speaker 2 call me hot, not pretty. Because like that was so ingrained in my heart of like,

Speaker 2 I want to be the hot girl. I want to be the hot girl.
I don't want to be called pretty.

Speaker 2 You know, but I wasn't, I wasn't hot in high school.

Speaker 1 Like, dude, I, whoever the fuck was peaked, okay?

Speaker 2 That's kind of true. Right?

Speaker 1 Whoever was so banging hot,

Speaker 1 they're not,

Speaker 1 they're not doing too well.

Speaker 2 That's so true. And all the hot guys at my school.
I, you know, I don't know. I don't really know any hot guys at my school.
I don't think I grew up with hot guys.

Speaker 2 There was no one that I was really attracted to.

Speaker 1 But that's the shit, though, Chapel. That's like...

Speaker 1 How crazy the shit that sticks with you. Like, girls can be so fucking cutting when you're that young.

Speaker 1 Boys, too, but girls, it's like you almost like care more in moments where you're like, I'm pretty. And anyone, if like you don't get it, it's like that is like the big, they're trying to insult you.

Speaker 1 This isn't like a nice but you're like, and then you wrote that obviously banger ass song and now you're making fucking money off of it.

Speaker 2 So it's true. It is like the bad things that happen to me,

Speaker 2 I can

Speaker 2 monetize.

Speaker 2 That is what's awesome about being a songwriter. Like

Speaker 2 I went, my breakup when I wrote like my Kinkas Karma vibes

Speaker 2 was the worst thing that's ever happened. Like genuinely,

Speaker 2 I don't think it could have been worse,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 I got to like fuel an entire video and a song and a look, a character, just based off of a horrible week of my life.

Speaker 1 And when you do that though and you publish it, do you feel

Speaker 1 like finally like you've expunged your soul of all of that negativity or does it still slightly hang on when you have to perform those songs?

Speaker 2 When I do the festivals

Speaker 2 and I look in the camera and I say, I dedicate this, whatever, la la la.

Speaker 2 I am actually thinking about them, or whoever I'm dedicating, but I do think about it. And I'm like, at Lollapalooza, I was like,

Speaker 2 fuck you so hard for talking about you dating me. Like, how could you talk about

Speaker 2 why are you bragging that you dated me? You broke up with me.

Speaker 2 That's the craziest part.

Speaker 1 But it's so telling. It's so embarrassing.
It's like, you want clout.

Speaker 1 How lame is your life?

Speaker 2 You want clout.

Speaker 1 You have to sleep so well at night knowing that, though, of like, ooh, and I still get to monetize off this.

Speaker 2 Loser, loser.

Speaker 1 Bye. How do you decide when you have people call you chapel verse Kaylee?

Speaker 2 Or now I'm at work, Chapel.

Speaker 2 But like,

Speaker 2 none of my friends, like, call me Chapel. Okay.

Speaker 1 Who was your pop icon growing up?

Speaker 2 Hannah Montana. Bitch.
And Brittany.

Speaker 1 You can't say Hannah Montana to me and me not.

Speaker 2 Hannah Montana. Wait a minute.
I remember when the first episode came out.

Speaker 1 The wig in the first episode, but then when they changed it, so good. It still looked like I look back on that and I'm like, they really didn't know if that shit was was going to pop off.

Speaker 1 And then it was like the biggest fucking thing ever. But that first wig is so telling.
They're like, let's just fucking see if this shit works.

Speaker 2 And then boom. Did you go to the concert?

Speaker 1 I went to the one where it was Miley and Hannah. So she starts as Hannah and then she transitions to Miley.

Speaker 2 Is that the Jonas Brothers opened?

Speaker 1 I remember. Kansas City.
I remember that was the point when the Jonas Brothers weren't that big of a deal. And I was so annoyed that they were on stage.

Speaker 1 And my dad was like, one day you're going to have a crush on one of these boys. And I was like, I reject that.

Speaker 1 I'm disturbed by these these men and then i obviously like fell in love with them like a couple of years later nick or joe or sorry kevin oh

Speaker 2 i'm sorry no no no no nick joe or kevin

Speaker 1 i would say at first nick i did the whole thing cried diabetes obviously okay

Speaker 2 did you cry too no i always hated the jonas brothers

Speaker 2 but here's the thing joe's so nice to me now i've grown up to love them like

Speaker 2 i when I was young, I was like you. I was like, I don't care about the boys.
I just want Hannah. Hannah.

Speaker 2 And when they came out, I was like, oh my fucking God. Like, shut up.
I was in, I was nine. And I literally said, when they came out, I was like, oh, my fucking God, I don't care.

Speaker 2 I believed in God at that time. And I was saying that shit in my head.

Speaker 1 I couldn't get on board. And then, yes, Hannah at that point, like, do you remember like East Northumberland, high, good and broken? You and me together, bitch.
I made music videos to that shit.

Speaker 1 I was religious.

Speaker 2 And all this to say, like, I love the Joe's. Like, when I was nine,

Speaker 2 I was, I think it was just the lesbian in me that just had no interests in

Speaker 2 seeing them as an idol as a child. But now I'm like, work.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay, I'm going to ask you, give me the first song that comes to mind when I tell you this.
Ready? Favorite song to belt out in the shower.

Speaker 2 This is the pie when I break free. Cause I don't want a damn

Speaker 1 go-to song when you need a good cry.

Speaker 2 All along it was a fever.

Speaker 2 Cold sweat, hot-headed believer. Stay by Rihanna, which I

Speaker 2 auditioned to with the. Yeah, I auditioned with it for the voice.
I didn't make it on the show, obviously. Thank God,

Speaker 2 thank God I didn't, I didn't make it.

Speaker 1 Maybe it is so much better. Because imagine if you were like, not that it's bad to come from the voice, but the story is better without the voice, right?

Speaker 1 Your comeup is just a little bit better. Yeah, okay, that's

Speaker 1 the song that belongs on every workout playlist.

Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 2 my favorite song of all time.

Speaker 2 When you see me in the club, you better think about, or you better

Speaker 2 think about us us. Yeah, yeah, you better make that shit work.

Speaker 2 It's the, it's a will. I want to scream and shout with Britney Spears.

Speaker 1 Your crowd please your karaoke song.

Speaker 2 I fucking hate karaoke.

Speaker 2 Moving on.

Speaker 2 I, because I don't want to try. Yeah.
I don't, I don't like feeling like I have to try to sing well if I'm not doing it for work.

Speaker 2 Cause then it feels like a like look at me I love karaoke is for people who never get to sing yeah to sing and then we sing your songs and I'm like

Speaker 2 like I hate singing it but I did I don't know one time I pretended I put in

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 I was at a seafood boil in the middle of Appalachicola Florida We were an off day on

Speaker 2 tour and we went to this seafood place and there was just a dad playing guitar and it was like does anybody out there want to sing a

Speaker 2 does anybody want to sing a a duet with me

Speaker 2 and my whole touring crew was like yeah

Speaker 2 go go go and i was like oh please stop please stop

Speaker 2 and then i was like fine i will and

Speaker 2 He was like, come on up. What's your name? And I think I was like

Speaker 2 Madeline. And he's like, Madeline, what do you want to sing? Here are my lists.
And I look down and I see shallow.

Speaker 2 And I was like,

Speaker 2 shallow? And he was like, really? You want to do shallow? And I was like, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 And like,

Speaker 2 I did it. And I went, I want to do that.
Like, up there,

Speaker 2 it was all old people and families. It was literally like old people and then like moms with four kids who were like tired.
And like people like turned around because I was ripping it and

Speaker 2 afterwards like I just sat down literally old people just started standing up and they were like you have to try out for American Idol you have to try out

Speaker 2 and I was like oh my god stop I'm not that good

Speaker 1 and then I went to Orlando and opened for Olivia Rodrigo the next day dude that fucking man just being like really want to do this are you sure honey you're like no but let's fucking.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I don't know. I'm up here.

Speaker 1 Hurry up before I fucking leave, dick. That's hilarious, though.
Like, do you ever get moments like that of anonymity where you get to like feel like people actually don't know who you are anymore?

Speaker 2 Do you ever like dress up disguise?

Speaker 2 I think people are scared of me. Really? I think I made a big enough deal about not talking to me that people do not talk to me.
That's, I think, the truth of it all.

Speaker 2 And I've been with people, like friends who are are like artists, and they're like,

Speaker 2 when they're with me, they're like, it's a force field around us. People don't come up to me if I'm with you.
And I think I'm just like, damn, say, baby, you say it too. You say, don't touch me.

Speaker 2 Don't touch me. Don't look at me.
Don't, don't talk to me. I don't know who you are.
And they won't come up to bother you. What a concept.

Speaker 1 That is fucking hilarious, though, that other celebrities are like, bitch, look at what you're doing.

Speaker 2 It's a force field. And I'm not, not just by one person by like three

Speaker 2 three or four

Speaker 1 do you love it that you said it

Speaker 2 it hurts that i have to yeah

Speaker 2 it hurts i i know it really hurts people because they take it really um

Speaker 2 they feel like it's me

Speaker 2 disrespecting them that i owe it to them and that how dare i call it abuse and it's like or complaining about success i get that a lot

Speaker 2 But I'm not complaining about success. I'm just complaining about creepy behavior.

Speaker 2 I love, I love like admiration. Everyone loves admiration.
Like, I just don't want you to interrupt me at, like, when I'm having a fight with a girl, my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 Like, don't fucking be like, can I get a photo when I'm crying, crying, talking to my girlfriend? That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 You're like, I'm actually in the middle of breaking up with someone or getting cheated on right now.

Speaker 2 Spare me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Take a picture all the the way across there of the back of my head and post it.

Speaker 2 You know, and it's like, I can't, of course, of course, it's going to take a second to

Speaker 2 for people to like really look at themselves. And like, I have to have grace for that.
Like, I didn't.

Speaker 2 How would I know any better if I were to see Hannah Montana? I would have to tell her that I love her music so much and that like she means a lot to me. But in reality, it's like,

Speaker 2 no, I don't, right? Because that's not Hannah right there.

Speaker 2 That's not Hannah. That's destiny.
Oh,

Speaker 2 Cyrus. Cyrus.

Speaker 2 Anyway, sorry.

Speaker 1 I fucking love you. Okay, you wrote your song at Pink Bony Club about the Abbey here in Los Angeles.
True or not true?

Speaker 2 Yes, true.

Speaker 1 Why are you looking away from me?

Speaker 2 Have you had your phone stolen there?

Speaker 1 Have I had my phone stolen at the Abbey? I've never gone to the Abbey because apparently, well, because you get your stone phone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you get your phone stolen.

Speaker 1 Wait, what?

Speaker 2 It's crazy. I have had three friends whose phone got stolen.

Speaker 1 Wait, okay, so tell me about like this, the night or the story. Is that the story? Like, what is it? But tell me about it.

Speaker 1 I've never gone to the Abbey because everyone's like, it's not even good anymore. It used to be good.
Now it's not good anymore.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, obviously, when I went, the night was fucking awesome because I was like,

Speaker 2 it's like, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 And I just couldn't stop dancing. And I was obsessed with the go-go dancers.
And the music was so loud. And everyone was so hot and making out and I had never seen anything like it

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 wanted to be a an like a go-go dancer exotic dancer after that

Speaker 2 and so I was like looking into it and I just was like I felt

Speaker 2 like really embarrassed if someone from

Speaker 2 like a record label were to see me dancing I would just feel really embarrassed because I don't know like I just felt really self-conscious. And so instead, I wrote a song about me being the dancer.

Speaker 2 So that's what Pink Pony is about. It's like me being the dancer at the Abbey.
And like,

Speaker 2 I'm scared to go to the Abbey

Speaker 2 now because my phone is going to get fucking stolen.

Speaker 1 And your phone cannot get stolen. I mean, would you care? That's true.

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 1 Yes, you would. No.

Speaker 2 I don't care.

Speaker 1 There's nothing on your fucking phone.

Speaker 2 They can't get into it. It's like

Speaker 1 you're the one that has like the 17 number castle, not the four.

Speaker 1 Okay, how do you feel about a dance floor makeout?

Speaker 2 I look the other way.

Speaker 1 Okay, before you were famous, would you be down or no?

Speaker 2 I get really uncomfortable, but I am the bitch that makes all the dance floor.

Speaker 2 I just like, I'm like a hypocrite when it comes to PDA. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I will like be drunk making out.
I've done it with so many different people.

Speaker 1 It's fun, though.

Speaker 2 It's so fun. If I'm fucked up, like I don't care.

Speaker 2 But if I don't really drink anymore, so when I see people making out, like, I just laugh. I can't stop laughing.

Speaker 1 The only way I feel like for a dance floor make out is to be drunk or on drugs.

Speaker 2 In Weeho, it's like, it's like at brunch.

Speaker 2 You know, it's not even like, and it's not even a dance floor.

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Speaker 1 You've gone so many different places. What has been your most like chaotic night out on tour, or even just like on the road?

Speaker 2 I, um,

Speaker 2 probably the night

Speaker 1 tell me, please.

Speaker 2 One night,

Speaker 2 one night, I thought my bus driver, the tour bus driver, um, was gonna leave without us. It was gonna just drive away.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I called like my tour manager and I was like, hey, something's going on. Like the bus driver's like being kind of weird.
And like, I think he's really mad. He's like, just stomping around.

Speaker 2 And like, I thought he was leaving. I like he looked like he was driving away, but then he backed up.
I think he's really pissed off at us. And And I think we should get on the bus.

Speaker 2 She thought I was kidding. And so she was like, Oh, yeah, he's going crazy.
I heard he, I heard he hit someone. And then that, you know, we don't worry about it.
Like, the coughs are on the way.

Speaker 2 And I was like,

Speaker 2 holy fuck. And then I got up.

Speaker 1 I got on the bus.

Speaker 2 Bus driver was nowhere to be found. And I was like, everybody on the bus, get your cat, get your passports, and let's get off.
Come on.

Speaker 2 It's literally like the sound team. Like, I'm about to start crying.
Everyone's drunk.

Speaker 2 Like, it's so bad. It's like after a show, it's the night before we go to Coachella.
And I'm like, the cops are coming. Everyone, get it.
Get out. Get out.
The cops are coming. Get your passwords.

Speaker 2 Get something that's important to you and get off the bus.

Speaker 2 I didn't know my tour manager was kidding. And so then I like, I was so fucked up and I was just crying.
I was like, something's really wrong.

Speaker 2 Like, the bus driver's being really weird and we're not going going to be able to make it to Coachella.

Speaker 2 And my tour manager was like,

Speaker 2 I was kidding. And I was like,

Speaker 2 then what's going on? Dude, dude. Like, then what's even going, like,

Speaker 2 but the bus driver is being weird. What do we do? And she's like, I literally don't.
Like, no one knew what to do. And I was like, I'm just confused.
We have to make it to Coachella. We have to.

Speaker 1 And we did. This poor man like walks out of peeing and he's like, why is everyone acting weird?

Speaker 2 That is what fucking happened.

Speaker 1 He's like, you're holding your cats in your passports and you're like, he's going to attack us.

Speaker 2 No, that's literally what happened. He's like, I'm not going to attack you.
Nothing's wrong, guys.

Speaker 2 I was just so drunk. I was like, he's on a rampage.
Everyone, get off the bus.

Speaker 1 Really, sorry, sir. We love you.
Drive.

Speaker 2 Oh, dude.

Speaker 1 Dude, alcohol can do some weird fucking shit to you.

Speaker 2 I don't drink anymore.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 The only time I drink, actually, the only time I drink is my birthday night. I had my birthday.

Speaker 1 Wait, how did you celebrate?

Speaker 2 I went to Jumbo's clown room.

Speaker 1 How was that? No.

Speaker 2 Oh, you tell me everything. It's a strip club, but it's not like a, it's very gay.
It's like a lot of lesbian vibes.

Speaker 1 Are you a lap dance girl? Like, what are you, what's your vibe?

Speaker 2 They gave me a lap dance and it was fun.

Speaker 2 Usually those things really make me uncomfortable, but I was drunk, so I didn't care.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 yeah, I rented the whole place out. It was a dream birthday.
It was a dream come true. And those girls fucking know how to work a a pole.
They, the pole does not spin. Like, it's not, they do it.

Speaker 2 Like, it's real.

Speaker 1 I remember, like, the last time I was at a strip club, I remember just like staring at them in awe.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I hope they don't think this is creepy, but like, I'm genuinely just so fascinated by how you're doing that because, like, my neck hurts and my back hurts watching you do that.

Speaker 1 You're fucking incredible.

Speaker 2 They're iconic athletes.

Speaker 1 Cheers to the girls. How has your relationship to your sexuality evolved over the years?

Speaker 2 Obviously, I've come into

Speaker 2 being

Speaker 2 more

Speaker 2 comfortable with saying I'm queer, with dating women.

Speaker 2 But I don't know, something like fucked up my sexuality. I think like my nervous system is so fried

Speaker 2 that I can't even feel like flirtatious. Like it's just too intense to even like

Speaker 2 be sexual at all. I'm just, it's just too, like, too sensitive, you know.

Speaker 1 Do you want to be, or you're not feeling like you're missing anything?

Speaker 2 No, I do. I want to be because I think that, like, that was a part of myself that was fun.

Speaker 2 And, like,

Speaker 2 I feel like that part of me exists on stage, but offstage, it's like, it's this kind of um,

Speaker 2 I kind of reverted back to

Speaker 2 a very shameful part of myself and how I relate to sex just because it's like when there's so much of you in the world that is exposed

Speaker 2 then like being sexual with someone is so vulnerable because the rest of your life is so vulnerable that it's like it almost is too I want to save something Like, I just don't want to be that vulnerable with so many fucking people.

Speaker 1 Do you ever though, like resent

Speaker 1 the Chapel Rhone moments? Because then you're, like, you're saying, you're feeling it on stage or like enjoying yourself, you're feeling sexual.

Speaker 1 Then you're going home as Kaylee and being like, I just don't want to enjoy that. Like, are you ever like, fuck, am I

Speaker 1 sacrificing my real moments of being able to find myself and embrace my sexuality for

Speaker 1 people and my art?

Speaker 2 I resent myself for

Speaker 2 I resent the job

Speaker 2 because I can no longer

Speaker 2 yes sexuality has like is it's just different now and like

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 I resent not being able to like be a friendly neighbor because I can't like go out and meet my neighbors and be like hi I'm Kaylee I live here. This is what my car looks like.

Speaker 2 This is what time I'm home and when I'm not, you know? So then people all of a sudden know exactly. It's It's just a recipe for a stalker situation.
So I resent that part of my

Speaker 2 career path. There's just so much you don't know that you're signing up for.
You don't know that you're signing up that you're

Speaker 2 your whole

Speaker 2 your body changes.

Speaker 2 It is like going through puberty.

Speaker 2 And that's what I was told. I didn't, I didn't really know if that was true, but the pop girls were like, it feels like a second puberty.

Speaker 1 I do think like, what I appreciate about you saying that, though, is like, I feel like it's important to recognize that

Speaker 1 your passion for art,

Speaker 1 the goal is for people to enjoy it because you love it. You want people to, you want people to connect to it.
You want people to experience it. But that obviously comes then with the fame aspect.

Speaker 1 And then fame is the thing that I think people get so frustrated by you saying that, but it's like, no, no, no, like you're, you love your art. That's not what you're saying.
You don't love.

Speaker 1 You're saying you don't love the thing that comes with that. And I think, but the beautiful thing is the art.
Like, what do you think Chapel Rhone would mean to young Kayleigh?

Speaker 2 I don't even know if my younger self would be able to register that as a part of me. Like, that's how removed

Speaker 2 I was so, so, so

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 opposite of me now like

Speaker 2 it just it just wasn't awoken it awakened in me you know like

Speaker 1 young kaylee

Speaker 2 just felt so

Speaker 2 restricted because i was so i was a very i was a problem child and so angry and so like

Speaker 2 depressed and just felt like no one understood me. And

Speaker 2 now

Speaker 2 that part of me is so alive.

Speaker 2 And I always did want to like dress up and be super girly or be really like tomboy. Or I just wanted to be free, but I did never think that it would actually happen.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 now that it has, it's like,

Speaker 2 I don't think she would believe it at all. I don't think she would could ever believe that like this is what I do.

Speaker 1 But doesn't that make you now

Speaker 2 happy? Yeah, it's awesome. It's like that part is awesome that I really honored my inner child to the max.
I think now what it is, is like, how do I honor my adult self to the max?

Speaker 2 It's like, I don't know because this is all new and

Speaker 2 no, but there's no rule, but there's like

Speaker 2 every artist,

Speaker 2 every pop girl, the next move is like

Speaker 2 a question mark.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because some, some girls put out the first album, had an incredible first album, won a bunch of shit, then take five years off.

Speaker 2 Some girls go right into it, and then they end up releasing something they hate, and then they release another album that they love. Like they never stop.

Speaker 2 Some just tour for there is no game plan of like,

Speaker 2 how do I I make sure I make the right decision?

Speaker 1 That's so fucking relatable. And obviously, the things you're dealing with, there are elements that certain people will never understand, just like we may never understand certain parts of each other.

Speaker 1 Just like people watching this are like, you guys would never understand what I'm going through.

Speaker 1 But I do think it's relatable to say, and I don't think that you should be criticized for acknowledging that there is an element to your life that is very confusing right now.

Speaker 1 And it is okay to be so grateful and also be so fucking confused and angry in moments because that's life.

Speaker 1 And I think that when someone's sitting in this chair like Chapel Roan, you're supposed to in people's mind have the answers.

Speaker 1 Be grateful, smile, tell us that this is the coolest fucking thing that's ever happened because all of us want to be famous.

Speaker 1 But then it's like, at what point are we going to start to realize that so many people that do end up in the spotlight are yelling like, this is not all that it's cracked up to me. This shit is hard.

Speaker 1 We're not asking for you to like feel so fucking bad for us, but a little bit of empathy goes a long way with human beings. I think that's chill to say.

Speaker 1 And I don't think, and who gives a fuck if at one point they don't understand it. Like I

Speaker 1 really like that you are being honest about it rather than smiling and be like, I fucking love my job. Alex, everything's good.
Like,

Speaker 2 you're not robotic. I think it's also

Speaker 2 people

Speaker 2 expect me to play by different roles because I'm gay and I should be more politically correct about that and I should actually be way more knowledgeable about it.

Speaker 2 And so I get asked a lot of fucking crazy questions that a lot of my peers would not get asked. And that's because

Speaker 2 I'm gay. And that's because, like, I have like my opinions, but that doesn't mean I'm like completely

Speaker 2 like, I don't know everything about every topic I have opinions on. Like, I don't know everything about like

Speaker 2 being gay. Like, I don't know everything about being a woman.
I don't know everything about fucking fashion or drag or performing. Like,

Speaker 2 I try to know everything I can, and but like, when I don't answer a question correctly, or like, I don't acknowledge

Speaker 2 one community, it's like, how can I do it all? Like, you can't.

Speaker 2 Can these girls, how can these girls

Speaker 2 tour,

Speaker 2 write,

Speaker 2 perform,

Speaker 2 interview,

Speaker 1 sleep,

Speaker 2 eat,

Speaker 2 and eat, and fucking work out, and like,

Speaker 2 how, how can they do it all? And lead a team, and be a boss, and pay people, and like,

Speaker 2 and be like, fucking

Speaker 1 so politically educated.

Speaker 2 It's it's exhausting, and it's also impossible. Also, why the fuck are you looking to me for some political answer? You think I have the fucking answer, but you're like, listen to my song, bitch.

Speaker 2 Turn it up. Like, I'm a pop star.
I wish I had the answers. I wish the president was a pop star,

Speaker 2 but she's not.

Speaker 1 I feel like something that you just said that is very apparent.

Speaker 1 And I was excited today too, was like, this, what you're saying, we could do 19 fucking hours on because it's like the double standard of one, you being a woman, two, you being a gay woman.

Speaker 1 There's so much that comes with it. And it's like everyone in interviews, like you said, like there's people asking you questions that you're like, I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 And that's why I'm excited that, like, I feel like it's been, I'm excited that we're going to have fun today and we're having fun and talking about more light topics because it's clear that like, you're fucking funny.

Speaker 1 You're funny.

Speaker 1 You're a good time.

Speaker 1 I want to play a little game.

Speaker 2 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 This is kind of inspired by your song Casual.

Speaker 1 Love the song. I'm going to give you a situationship scenario and you're going to tell me if it's still casual or not.

Speaker 1 Are you ready? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 They meet your entire friend group.

Speaker 2 Apparently, it's still, it's casual.

Speaker 2 Apparently, it is.

Speaker 2 Apparently, it's casual if you meet your parents.

Speaker 2 Apparently.

Speaker 1 Agree, but you don't want it to be.

Speaker 1 Wait, the parents is fucking crazy, Charlie.

Speaker 2 Apparently.

Speaker 2 Apparently it's casual if you sexed for three months.

Speaker 1 That's fucking crazy. Wait, have you ever brought a new hookup around your friends and they're like, absolutely not.
We do not fuck with this person.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then I've dated them for four more years.

Speaker 1 You're like, love you, besties.

Speaker 2 But you're not like, yeah. That's how it goes.

Speaker 1 And then when you break it up. It's just being stupid.

Speaker 2 That's like, that is is just actually like, listen to your friends. Fucking listen to your friends.

Speaker 2 If your friends are telling you this guy is like weird or this girl is weird, like something is like off, but you don't,

Speaker 2 you can't tell really.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's not bad enough for anyone to tell you

Speaker 2 anything.

Speaker 2 Just fucking listen to them. If the vibe is off.
It's something is wrong. Stop seeing them.

Speaker 1 I know, because your friends like don't care. Your friends usually aren't trying to fuck you.

Speaker 2 Uh-uh. Well, sometimes.

Speaker 1 Let's, uh, we're moving on. Okay, casual or not, they make solo plans with you to celebrate their birthday.

Speaker 2 That's a date. I mean, I guess it could be casual.
No, I think that's. No, that's not fucking casual.
The birthday is crazy. That's not casual.
Thank you. The birthday's crazy.

Speaker 1 What is a safe gift to get a situationship?

Speaker 2 Just buy their dinner. Don't.
yeah, I don't know. I'm not a gift,

Speaker 2 don't make them anything, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 Don't fucking make a casual person anything, yeah, that's fair. I think you can get them like a bottle of alcohol, yeah.
A bottle of alcohol is nice.

Speaker 2 Um, probably like not a car, maybe a card that is gonna say a car.

Speaker 1 I'm like, chopo.

Speaker 2 I'm not the girl that I'm not her. Um,

Speaker 2 a safe gift.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 oh, I don't even want to think about it. Just buy a fucking meal.
Just pay a ticket. Be like, hey, can I take you out for a movie?

Speaker 2 Do an experience so you don't have to like, no one hates a stuffed animal more than me.

Speaker 1 Have you been given many stuffed animals?

Speaker 2 That's so dumb. That's so bad.

Speaker 1 That's so bad. Did you keep them?

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 I've burned a pile. There was something going on when I was 17.

Speaker 1 Okay, they start calling you pet names before you're official.

Speaker 2 That's like flirty.

Speaker 2 Oh, pet names like boo-boo? Oh, or like what?

Speaker 1 What is the pet name that you I don't know what's a pet name that you've been called? What's the cringiest pet name that you have ever had called to you or you called someone? Don't lie to me.

Speaker 2 I don't know what is wrong with me.

Speaker 2 It's just going to give away who it is. I can't do it.

Speaker 1 It will?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, it's fine. It's fine.
What do you? I mean, I don't know what is the.

Speaker 1 I'm maybe. Obviously, they're like babe and baby, but then there's like the weird ones where

Speaker 2 cuddlekins, that type of thing, or like stuff in movies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was good.
Cuddlekins.

Speaker 2 I've never heard that.

Speaker 1 Okay, what is the most extravagant thing you've ever bought someone?

Speaker 2 Probably like Venmo and my brother $500.

Speaker 1 I love that we're playing a romantic game and you're like,

Speaker 1 you're like, uh, my brother.

Speaker 1 I thought it was in general. That's very romantic.

Speaker 2 That's actually so fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 Is it the most romantic thing you've ever done?

Speaker 2 My brother.

Speaker 1 My brother, Venmo, duh, 500 bucks, bitch.

Speaker 2 I mean, maybe. A most extravagant gift is probably like writing music for them.

Speaker 2 I wrote an yeah, I wrote an entire EP for someone. It never came out.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did they hear it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they loved it. Actually, they didn't love it as much as I thought they would, but like, I worked really hard on it.
And

Speaker 2 whatever. Wait, Chapel.

Speaker 1 Can you walk me through that moment where you're like, I'm going to show you, how did you tell the person that you had this for them? And what was the the reason?

Speaker 2 I gave it on a C. I burned it on a C D and I gave them my old CD player and my headphones and I said, you should listen to this.
I made it for you.

Speaker 2 And then there was like an entire five track EP.

Speaker 1 Were you in the room when they listened or no?

Speaker 2 I don't, I don't remember, but I did like write all, handwrite all the lyrics and like,

Speaker 2 it was like honestly awesome. And I think I've never given a gift like that again because I was so burned by like the relationship.
I'm like, fuck that, I'll never do that again. Bye.

Speaker 1 How long after did you break up

Speaker 2 like two and a half years later, or something like that? Yeah,

Speaker 2 it was crazy.

Speaker 1 You would never release one of those songs, they're not good enough.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 um, okay, you sleep at each other's houses multiple times a week.

Speaker 1 Casual

Speaker 2 apparently, I can't stop saying apparently because I've been in all these fucking situations and like

Speaker 2 I don't think so. I think that's like

Speaker 2 I that's I mean, I guess it's kind of casual

Speaker 2 No, like three plus times, it's not casual. Yeah, three plus two times is like fine.
What the fuck ever? Like like a like a Friday and like a booty call on like a Tuesday

Speaker 2 fine.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you're usually in the position where the person you're seeing is in the power position? Are you in the I'm getting a little bit of a vibe here, Chapel, that maybe you're not

Speaker 2 in power. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes, because I've been in the past desperate for

Speaker 2 companionship. So I will go along with what they want.

Speaker 2 Relatable. And will give up like basically my values.
And

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 I would just give away my

Speaker 2 personality

Speaker 2 because I don't want to be lonely.

Speaker 2 And then I get mad at them for like being like, this is casual, whatever, you know. And I'm like, but I threw away my entire personality for this.
Like, like, I gave up my weekends for this.

Speaker 2 Like, I, you know what I mean? And that's why I'm like bitter about it. But honestly, yeah, it's like,

Speaker 2 next question.

Speaker 1 I just want you to know that that clip is going to replay in people's mind because that is the most relatable fucking thing anyone has ever said sitting in that fucking chair because I have done the same fucking thing.

Speaker 2 And it's never worth it. Never.
And the thing is, like, all the people that I threw my entire life away, my self-respect, like, I disregarded all my friends. I disregarded all like my gut feelings.

Speaker 2 I disregarded, you know what? It never fucking works out. Ever.
It never works out. Anyone you have to throw anyway, anything away for, it never works out.

Speaker 2 Or you get married and then you get divorced.

Speaker 2 And you think that'll get better, better when you get married, but it never does. It only gets worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, rewind to your friends having fucking kids. You said they're in hell.

Speaker 2 But they're in hell because they love their kids.

Speaker 1 Have your friends ever successfully set you up with someone?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I'm hard. I'm hard.

Speaker 2 Wait, yes. Oh my God.
Yeah, I dated someone for a year because my friends set me up.

Speaker 1 Bad or good decision.

Speaker 2 I mean, the whole thing was casual, but we dated for a year. That's why I'm saying all this stupid shit.
Fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but this is life. Are you kidding me? I've been fucking dragged through the mud by a man and I'm just like, but I still love you.
And it's like, dumb bitch.

Speaker 1 He is literally giving you every fucking sign and more. And you're still like,

Speaker 1 I'm just reading into it wrong.

Speaker 1 he didn't mean that yeah he did so you're like i see the best in them it's like no you just stop stop stop you're disgusting i look back at my younger self i'm like you need to be done go fucking celibate you didn't know i know it's so fucking sad wait are you a good wing woman

Speaker 2 like in the sense of helping your friends like find people no no okay i don't want to try i don't try i'm not i don't want to ever set anyone up. I think people should be single.
Okay.

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Speaker 2 Never been better.

Speaker 2 Wait, are you single? No.

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Speaker 2 Wait, are you single? No.

Speaker 1 You're fucking lying. No, you're lying.
You're fucking lying to me right now.

Speaker 1 Chapel?

Speaker 2 How long?

Speaker 2 Six months.

Speaker 1 Is it casual?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Serious. It's serious.

Speaker 2 It's serious.

Speaker 2 How's that? I'm very in love. But I am pro-single.
Everyone should be single. I'm serious.

Speaker 2 Be single. Stop dating.

Speaker 2 Be single. Have a great time alone.
Find out for yourself if you can 100% be okay alone before you date. That's what I found out.
I had a great time when I was single.

Speaker 2 And I know that I will be okay. And now I have an awesome time that I'm with someone.

Speaker 1 Like, Like, how did you meet?

Speaker 1 I'm like, rewind, bitch. You can't just drop that shit and be like, but, anyways, be single.
And any next question.

Speaker 2 I love being single.

Speaker 2 But you're not.

Speaker 2 But I, even if I was, I'd be okay.

Speaker 1 Being single is the most incredible time in your life to actually be so fucking selfish so that the next time you get into a relationship, you know, you're like, I'm never going to put up with this anymore.

Speaker 1 Because guess what? Doing this shit by myself is better. So unless you're making my life better, fuck right off.
Okay, come on.

Speaker 2 What's the question?

Speaker 1 How did you meet?

Speaker 2 Through a friend. But it wasn't a setup.
Okay. Just like.
Yeah. I just like add a.

Speaker 1 Who made the first move?

Speaker 2 Me.

Speaker 2 I'm usually the one to make. I like in every circumstance, I make the first move.

Speaker 1 Can you explain to me how

Speaker 1 you start the dating process with someone? Like, are they, are you having to have them come over to your house?

Speaker 2 Are you going out in public?

Speaker 2 I haven't dated someone since like this, all like really, really blew up. Yeah.
Like

Speaker 2 before I became, I'm dating the same person that I was dating before I got, like, it blew up. Baby.
So I'm not sure how I would date now. I think it would actually be a nightmare.

Speaker 2 I think I would be like

Speaker 2 so fucking single right now. Yeah.
Because you're terrified of

Speaker 2 scared. I'm scared.
I don't trust.

Speaker 2 I don't trust anyone.

Speaker 2 I just think in my head, I'm like,

Speaker 2 any new person that I am texting, I'm like, I'm assuming they will screenshot this and like send it to someone else. That's like why I can't.

Speaker 1 You're like, I guess we're getting married.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not at all. Lucky for you.

Speaker 1 How would you describe your type?

Speaker 2 I really don't have one. I know everyone said that, but

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 I don't know. I love, um, I just love,

Speaker 2 as far as like looks and stuff, I don't like really have a type, but I love art girls, like weird art girls, girls who love to read and love to like, who are like very niche.

Speaker 2 Like, I probably like a girl that collects things and like is okay with an exotic pet, owned a hamster one time and would own one again, or like doesn't give a fuck about their car, will pick up a worm, is not scared of like bugs and snakes, um,

Speaker 2 can get down watching a foreign film, would be okay, like having zero plan.

Speaker 2 So, like, have you ever taken the Enneagram test?

Speaker 1 I have, and I

Speaker 1 cannot tell you what my fucking number is because I did it so long ago. I think I'm in eight.

Speaker 1 Are you gonna walk out on me?

Speaker 2 I'm an eight. No, That's rare.

Speaker 1 I remember taking everyone thought I was going to be a two.

Speaker 2 What the fuck is a two? And you're an eight?

Speaker 1 I'm an eight.

Speaker 2 That's iconic.

Speaker 1 Do you like me more now?

Speaker 1 I am. You're going to say you love me.
Yeah, we're both eights.

Speaker 2 What is like a seven? A seven is someone who's like the enthusiast. Like someone who's just like, woo, party.
I just want to have a good time.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what I am. The enthusiast? What's an eight called?

Speaker 2 The challenger.

Speaker 1 I'm the challenger.

Speaker 2 That's me.

Speaker 1 Dude, that's me. What the fuck?

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 That's why I'm like pointing at people on the red carpet. I'm like the challenger.

Speaker 1 Okay, good to know. What is the boldest thing you've ever done to shoot your shot with someone?

Speaker 2 Send a nude, I guess. I don't know.
Just like we'll be talking like regular, and I'll be like

Speaker 2 that was one time.

Speaker 2 Another time.

Speaker 2 Oh, this was so fucked. This was so fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 I do not think. I'm actually not proud of this.

Speaker 2 Ex-boyfriend's at the club.

Speaker 2 I'm at the club.

Speaker 2 I see him hitting on the scroll.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, why the fuck is he doing this in front of me? This is evil. Like,

Speaker 2 we're both single at this point. So, whatever.

Speaker 2 He goes to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 I go up to this girl. And I'm like, I think you're so pretty.

Speaker 2 And then I steal her.

Speaker 2 And then at the end of the night, we were just making out. And he's just just standing there.

Speaker 2 That's weaponizing gay. No.
Actually.

Speaker 1 Chapel, that is.

Speaker 2 That's called being evil. And it's like, I was so fucked up.
I was on multiple drugs. So was that girl.
He, I don't even know what he's on. Like,

Speaker 2 and that girl, like,

Speaker 2 her name was something crazy.

Speaker 2 It was like Princely or something. Like, it was crazy.

Speaker 1 Did you, did you, were you even into her?

Speaker 2 Or were you just like, yeah, she was so pretty. And then, yeah, and then I threw her up outside and I was like, actually, this is so dumb.

Speaker 1 Like, what am I doing? Did you wake up the next morning with the scaries or were you like, victory?

Speaker 2 I was just like,

Speaker 2 yeah, shame on you. You weaponized K.

Speaker 2 I will never do that again.

Speaker 1 Okay, but it made for a good fucking story on Caller Daddy.

Speaker 1 Do you have any immediate deal breakers?

Speaker 2 Car shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you really, this car shit is not.

Speaker 2 Something happened to me. I don't know.
What the fuck? Something happened to me.

Speaker 2 Jesus. Bad bret.

Speaker 2 Tringing with their mouth open is gray-gray. People who are

Speaker 2 who like don't tip.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. That freaks me out.

Speaker 2 If they treat their waiter bad, I will never talk to them the same.

Speaker 1 I feel like people always, whenever people are like, oh, that's a like obvious, but I'm like, no, but I feel like when it's rare, but when it happens, it is like so fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 And you sit there and you're like clenching your body. Like, you hear about this in the movies and it's fucking happening in front of my eyes.
Get the fuck out of here, you freak.

Speaker 2 I don't like that.

Speaker 2 I don't like when they talk about their exes badly or their the women in their family badly. I don't date men anymore, but that was like a common thing.
It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 It was like talking shit about their mom, about their sister. Um,

Speaker 2 yeah, dude, it's like I'm sensitive to smells

Speaker 2 though.

Speaker 2 But I'm thinking about immediate deal breakers. I don't know, dude.
Like,

Speaker 2 I think their music tastes says a lot.

Speaker 1 What would turn you off?

Speaker 2 Like, if someone doesn't like Beyonce, I'm like, that says a lot more than what I need. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Is there anything they could be into that you're like,

Speaker 2 no,

Speaker 2 I can't say that.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk about your new song,

Speaker 1 The Giver. What is the story behind it?

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 2 I was just, oh my god, I'm so annoyed with

Speaker 2 literally just

Speaker 2 the boys

Speaker 2 when I grew up, where I grew up, like just like literally talking about having sex with these girls and how like the girls loved it so much.

Speaker 2 And like, I think about me and how performative I was and like how actually like

Speaker 2 when I started having sex with women, I didn't really even know what to do because I was so used to performing like everything, just like so performative.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think about hooking up with women compared to men and like how much women give

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 their partner instead of like with men, I just obviously I was dating some not awesome people, but what the common denominator was like they could not get it through their head like what they're doing

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 wasn't right. And even if I was being like, I don't think that feels good, they were still doing it.
But at that point, it's on me. It's like, bitch, just break up.
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 But the fact that I have dated so many guys who do it wrong and don't really

Speaker 2 They haven't figured out that they need to do better. They need to give more the giver what I'm saying in the song

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 these country boys are not going to give you what you need

Speaker 2 if you want to have an orgasm,

Speaker 2 which a lot of ladies don't,

Speaker 2 apparently.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 no,

Speaker 2 I didn't.

Speaker 2 I didn't care about it my whole life,

Speaker 2 obviously,

Speaker 2 until I met women.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 it was like such a like, holy fuck.

Speaker 2 I'm going to write the giver about

Speaker 2 showing that actually sex should be a giving experience. And it's, of course, we love the kinky girls.
Of course, we love the doms. We love the subs.
Like, love.

Speaker 2 But there's still a give and there's still a giving whatever. So I wrote the giver about that.
Just about like,

Speaker 2 I think specifically in

Speaker 2 femme relationships,

Speaker 2 it's such an understanding that it is so

Speaker 2 a giving give, you know.

Speaker 2 It's mutual. It's, yeah, it, and I just feel like when I was with men, it wasn't mutual.

Speaker 2 I'm like, how, how did you date me for four years and you weren't concerned that I did an orgasm? Not once.

Speaker 2 Again, it's on me. Like,

Speaker 2 boo-boo, you decided to stay in that relationship. But it's like, I, if I could not get my girlfriend there, I would do everything.

Speaker 2 I would do anything, however long.

Speaker 2 I don't care.

Speaker 2 I would do anything. Why did they not do anything? Why didn't they want to do anything? Why didn't they want to do everything for me?

Speaker 1 We just are crying.

Speaker 2 I do everything for my girlfriend, you know?

Speaker 1 No, it's so

Speaker 1 fucking sad. I was in the same position.
I stayed in a relationship and I literally would just lay there and be like, I think he actually thinks he's hitting the clit.

Speaker 1 And like, he's at like the bottom of my labia.

Speaker 2 But do you tell him to go up?

Speaker 1 I, in moments, would, but I would find like, it's fucking hard because then they shut down and then they're like,

Speaker 1 and then it's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Like, your little fucking ego, you piece of shit.
But no, then you're just like, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, I literally would go in the shower and just fucking masturbate. You're like, God bless me in America.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fuck.

Speaker 1 But then eventually I started to get fucking vocal towards the end. Of like, if you can't fucking find it in 30 minutes,

Speaker 1 this is, I gotta go. Yeah, then it is kind of on you.

Speaker 2 When I started hooking up with women, I realized how easy it is, actually.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I realized how easy it is to eat a girl out and how this whole time I thought it was your neck hurts so bad.

Speaker 2 It's like hard. My jaw hurts.
You know what's hard? Sucking dick.

Speaker 2 Eating a girl out, you can lay down.

Speaker 2 It's actually.

Speaker 2 I was fooled. I was foolish to think that, of course it wasn't as hard as what I was doing for them.

Speaker 2 Of course it wasn't. That's why I would never do anal

Speaker 2 because I was like, then let me peg you.

Speaker 1 They would be like, oh, no way.

Speaker 2 Why not we just try? Let me peg you. And then we can, maybe we'll try.

Speaker 1 Right. Like, let's, you know, reverse.
We both, if you want to do it, I want to do it. And then they're like, no, no, babe, babe.
I just needed it.

Speaker 2 That's one thing that we both have. We both have that type.
We both have that hole. Figure it out.

Speaker 2 But when I started hooking up with women, I was like, like,

Speaker 2 fuck

Speaker 1 you guys.

Speaker 2 This is one,

Speaker 2 enjoyable, first of all.

Speaker 2 Finally. Second of all,

Speaker 2 way,

Speaker 2 way easier. It's actually fucking crazy.
It's actually fucking crazy. So what? You can't find the clip.
Work harder. It may take 10 minutes longer.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 I was always confused why my boyfriends didn't want to go down like

Speaker 2 because they're just so fucking selfish is that what it is or do you think that do you think that men don't actually like vulvas

Speaker 1 i think they do you think they do like that i think they do i think they're terrified of their masculinity being threatened if they don't really know what to do because they're so fucking dumb so then they just are like uh

Speaker 1 I guess it's different with certain men.

Speaker 2 Have you hooked up with a woman?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Should I? Yeah, first of all.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Matt, but like,

Speaker 1 sorry to cut you off. No, you're, I'm, I'm just saying, I think that there's a different level of men depending on how fucking toxic masculinity they're working with.

Speaker 1 Because I think some men are just like, I'm not fucking doing that.

Speaker 1 Then other men are like, I really want to try, but then they need to be taught, but their ego has to be intact for them to be taught. And then they can be taught.
Trust me, they can be taught.

Speaker 2 Sucking dick

Speaker 2 you only do one thing

Speaker 2 sometimes you can get crazy but really it's only one one type of motion vulvas are so different so intricate that it's hard it's harder it's harder to find a clitoris and do exactly what a someone with a clitoris likes than sucking a dick that's completely fair because it's like you have to also stay at the certain pace if they're gonna like it's a whole some yeah like it's it is a lot more complicated but like

Speaker 2 i am just confused why like

Speaker 1 i'm just confused i'm you know what i'm confused by myself for staying and settling i think that's fair i think a lot of people are do you like to give first or receive first and with your partner give first okay PDA or keep it private.

Speaker 2 Don't fucking do that.

Speaker 2 Don't. Actually, legit, don't.
I just got like really stressed out.

Speaker 1 FaceTimes or phone calls?

Speaker 1 I like both. Okay.

Speaker 2 I like both. A lot of, like, I feel like a lot of Gen Z is just FaceTime instead of call, but like, I like both.

Speaker 1 Yeah, depending on the vibe. Yeah.
Late night or morning sex?

Speaker 2 Late night.

Speaker 2 Late night.

Speaker 1 Make the first move or be pursued.

Speaker 2 Make the first move.

Speaker 1 Back in the day, drunk sex or high sex?

Speaker 2 God, both are awesome. But I probably high sex now.
Yeah, agree. Wand or rabbit?

Speaker 2 I do not fuck with rabbits. I don't fuck with like a lot of them, honestly.

Speaker 1 What is your favorite?

Speaker 2 I guess wand.

Speaker 2 Or like the little

Speaker 2 the rose thing, but it's not the rose.

Speaker 1 Have you tried the one that like pulsates and it's like the womanizer thing?

Speaker 2 Yes. Like how just like pulsates on your clit?

Speaker 1 It's the best fucking thing ever.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 I use it like every time I have sex.

Speaker 2 Work. That is like what is also so different about um

Speaker 2 let for me. It's like

Speaker 2 for some reason, a lot of men that I've been with have been really uncomfortable with me using toys, but like I think it's like a given with a lot of like gay sex.

Speaker 2 So it's kind of awesome that that's not even like an issue.

Speaker 1 I think that every single person should be able to bring toys into the bedroom. And if your partner doesn't let you, he's a little fucking bitch boy.
Um, okay, I promise we're wrapping up.

Speaker 1 Just a couple more questions. I want to just talk to you about: obviously, your career has been

Speaker 1 fucking insane this year. Like, I don't even have words to describe it.

Speaker 1 And with so much of that comes like what we've been, we were talking about earlier of just like pressures and things that you don't know how to handle.

Speaker 1 Like, have any female artists in the industry ever reached out to you to offer support in all of this?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like almost every girl. Wow.
yeah, it's really awesome.

Speaker 1 What piece of advice do you think has helped you the most in all of this?

Speaker 2 Just that it feels like puberty,

Speaker 2 it's like everything is gonna change, and everything is gonna hurt, and everything is gonna be uncomfortable now, and that like

Speaker 2 there is a way to

Speaker 2 make life bearable again. Um,

Speaker 2 and just like

Speaker 2 Katy Perry literally was so straight up. She was like, just don't read the comments.
Good night. And she, like, when she came up to me at Brad

Speaker 2 at sweat tour, she's like, just don't, don't read the comments, honey. Bye-bye.
And just like, hopped off. And I was like, actually, yeah, like, why am I doing this to myself? And she is so, like,

Speaker 2 these women have fucking done done it, like, and are still doing it. And the way they're still doing it is

Speaker 2 by ultimate protection.

Speaker 2 And another, I mean,

Speaker 2 the best piece of advice was spend more than you're comfortable with on security.

Speaker 2 That's the thing you don't realize.

Speaker 2 You don't realize how many people are watching you when you don't realize they are. Like,

Speaker 2 everyone wants,

Speaker 2 some people want me dead.

Speaker 2 Like, it's crazy. People know everything about me.
People know my flight numbers. People know everything.

Speaker 2 That was the crazy part. It happened literally overnight.
Like, I

Speaker 2 landed, like, everything was normal, did govball. It was fine.
I was walking around New York. I was getting stopped, you know, like, oh my God, love it, la, la.

Speaker 2 And I was like, ah, thank you, hee hee, he. Then I do Fallon, fly back the next day from Fallon, land at the airport.
There is someone waiting for me at my gate. And this has never happened before.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, what?

Speaker 2 I was like, how did you get in here? And like, they had like my album and stuff. And they had bought a ticket to get through TSA

Speaker 2 just to get to my gate. And then, like,

Speaker 2 when I got to baggage claim, there were five people waiting. So literally overnight.
And then it like happened so much after that. And it's like stuff has been happening like that since.

Speaker 1 The feeling of being watched

Speaker 1 is the weirdest fucking thing

Speaker 2 I get why it's addictive though

Speaker 2 it's addict it's addictive to walk in and know that everyone's looking at you and that everyone's saying

Speaker 1 that's addictive fame is so addictive I get it I get why people want this forever do you have like moments where you're like, holy shit, am I too in it right now?

Speaker 1 Like, do you ever have moments where you try to pull back?

Speaker 1 Whether it's like, I need to pull back on public appearances a little bit, like I need to fucking be in a reality for like just a little bit more before I push myself back into it.

Speaker 2 Well, that's why I do like

Speaker 2 stuff like this because it's fun. Yeah.
Doing stuff that's soul sucking is actually where I lose myself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So if I'm like, I can do my job, but as long as it's fun, then I feel like I haven't lost myself. But what feels like I'm too in it is when I start caring about numbers.

Speaker 2 When I start caring about charts, when I start caring about checks, when I start caring about, like, well, what is she doing? Oh, she's doing that much touring. Okay, let's add some more.
It's like,

Speaker 2 that's when I'm not in reality anymore because, like,

Speaker 2 actually, the only thing that matters is like, I go out on stage and like make like me smile and then some other people smile. And then I get off stage and pay my rent.
And that's it.

Speaker 1 Tell me if you have to, in just like

Speaker 1 one of the accomplishments or just a moment from this past year that you're the most proud of.

Speaker 2 I mean, the VMAs were so awesome. I had a great time.
I had a great time at the Grammys. Like,

Speaker 2 I think I'm real, what I'm really, what I'm actually most proud of myself for is like,

Speaker 2 dang,

Speaker 2 I didn't,

Speaker 2 I didn't bend at the knee. I did not kiss the ring.
That's actually what I think I'm the most proud of. I did not do, like, I did not jump through the hoops that I

Speaker 2 was told I had to to get

Speaker 2 a fucking Grammy, or like, I did not have to kiss the ring of what, whoever. Like, I just,

Speaker 2 you either like me as I am, or don't invite me to a party, or don't invite me to an award show, or don't

Speaker 2 expect me to like

Speaker 2 i don't know i i'm very i'm most proud of myself

Speaker 2 for doing what makes me feel like a good person over

Speaker 2 what is the most

Speaker 2 how can i get the most money you know like i turn

Speaker 2 I just want to feel like a good person. I don't care about anything else in this world.
Like, that's my deepest fear of all time.

Speaker 2 In my heart of hearts, my deepest fear is feeling a bad person and doing everything I can to be a good person and then still realizing I'm actually bad. But that's some Christian guilt there.

Speaker 1 Dude, growing up Catholic, I was like,

Speaker 1 you can't, you can't shake it. It's fucking hard.

Speaker 1 Favorite song to perform?

Speaker 2 I like Mike's Karma.

Speaker 1 Love. Who is your dream artist to collaborate with?

Speaker 2 Sizza.

Speaker 2 Fuck, that would be good.

Speaker 1 You started off 2025 winning a Grammy. Can you tease anything else to the daddy gang of what is to come this year?

Speaker 2 Oh, The Giver is not the only song. I will say that.

Speaker 2 And girl, you know I'm going to be coming out with looks for the festivals.

Speaker 1 Chapel Roan, thank you so much for coming on Caller Daddy.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 This is such an honor. You

Speaker 1 blew me away. Like

Speaker 1 one of the best interviews ever. You're

Speaker 1 fucking insane. No, you're insane.

Speaker 2 Like, no.

Speaker 1 And you are. You are.
And

Speaker 1 good vibes. Thank you.

Speaker 2 I like your questions.

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