Chace Crawford: Gossip Girl, House Parties & Dating Disasters (FBF)

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Speaker 1 Chase Crawford, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me, Alex. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I am so excited to meet you. Okay, you have to tell a little bit of the backstory, though, because you were just telling me downstairs that you kind of were a fan and like, I need to hype myself.

Speaker 2 I was. Listen, I'm a little bit nervous right now because I'm so excited, Alex.
No, I was telling you, I'm like, maybe I should save it for the podcast, but I'm an OG daddy fan. Let's fucking go.

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Speaker 2 walking walking my dog. I always listen to podcasts.
I was like, who are these? You guys are giving insane advice.

Speaker 2 And it was amazing because you weren't giving like just this cliche rote advice to women. You're like, fuck it.
This is how we're seeing.

Speaker 2 This is what the guys were seeing in New York or whatever, right? And I lived in New York, obviously. So, but, but, yeah, but you guys are like, this is how we're seeing it.

Speaker 2 This is the real stuff we're going to give out. This is how you play it.
This is our advice. This is what works for us.
And I thought it was the best thing. I laughed.
I thought it was amazing.

Speaker 2 I would listen to like full, full, like full podcast. Oh, so you've really I was entertained by the whole thing.
Yeah, yeah, I'm OG. I love your new stuff.
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Speaker 2 Like you were

Speaker 2 exactly, exactly. All this stuff.
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Speaker 2 I appreciate you sharing that.

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Speaker 2 She just connects to Bluetooth. Literally, literally.
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Speaker 1 Like with you, I was interested to know, like, is he going to be extroverted? Is he going to be introverted? Like, would you say in your life you're an extroverted person?

Speaker 2 I'm weird. I'm weird.
I am. I'm, I'm, I'm both.
I know that's like a lame answer, but like, it's a normal answer. I'm very much like,

Speaker 2 I compartmentalize things. I can really like go out and like let loose and I'm very social and I can be loud and have fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I like my alone time, you know I like I like my own bed and like I'm sort of a closet reader and a nerd and like my dog. I like I like my alone time.
So yeah, what kind of dog do you have?

Speaker 2 He's like a little rescue. He's like a little they lied to us at the rescue place.
It was like I share him with an ex-girlfriend actually.

Speaker 2 You're one of those. I'm one of those.
I'm one of those. Oh my gosh, I'm judging you so hard.
I know. Oh my God.
Oh my God. It's all about him though.
It's all about the dog.

Speaker 2 No, that's fucking bullshit.

Speaker 2 bullshit wait that's like a full problem when you meet someone new and you have to be like this is like our child i know it's not even i mean she's got a fiancé it's not even like i know i don't think it's a weird thing at all people think it's the funniest thing i'm like it actually is the only way to have a dog in fact no no cast member recently she was she wanted a dog i'm like you want to get a dog together i know how this goes that is actually mentally insane it's insane so you have to see her constantly we you know not as often as you think she she does have a key to my house and so a lot of times I know it's being very, listen.

Speaker 2 It's not that big of a deal. A lot of times I'll just, like, I flew out last week to go work in Toronto.
I'm like, hey, Shiner, his name's Shiner, after a Texas beer. Very stupid.

Speaker 2 I'm like, Shiner's in the house. Just go in there and take him.
And she just goes and picks him up. I'm not even there.
But sometimes, yeah, we're still like friends and cordial. It's great.

Speaker 1 So you're imagine you're like in there on a date with the dog and she comes to pick it up and has the key. Like you just, you have to describe that to new women.

Speaker 1 Like, listen, it's nothing other than just for the dog's happiness. Like, we share her.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 2 I never let that happen, I guess. I drop him off sometimes.
She lives close by me. And

Speaker 1 whatnot. What if a girl said, like, I can't do this unless you guys give up the dog?

Speaker 2 Oh, these girls gone. I mean, this dog takes precedent.
I think I might love that dog more than my future child.

Speaker 2 Chase.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm not even kidding. I will die for that dog.
I'm a dog mom. That's how that happens.
They get you like that. They really do.

Speaker 1 I get it. I get it.
How would your friends describe you to like someone that they wanted to set you up with? Like, Like, how are your friends describing you?

Speaker 2 Ooh, I don't know. That's a very good question.

Speaker 2 Outgoing, funny, hopefully.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I like to think I can cook a little bit.

Speaker 2 But if they were being honest, I don't know. Maybe, maybe, you know, he's a bad texter.
Maybe I'm not that good. I'm being honest.
I'm not that great. You know, I think that's a good sign, though.

Speaker 2 I think if you treat.

Speaker 1 a woman really well in person and then sometimes you're not a bad texter, but you're open about it. Right.
Like that's okay. Like Matt, my partner is like my husband is like

Speaker 1 not,

Speaker 1 he is not a good texter at all. In the beginning days, I was like, does he fucking hate me?

Speaker 2 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 But now I know I like appreciated that he's not on his phone 24-7, being one of those freaks. Like, are you on your phone though 24-7?

Speaker 2 You're just not texting back. I'm not.
No, no, I like to leave it. It's always on vibrant.
I like to, I still like to be always attached to it. Okay.
So that's good. But then I'll overthink.

Speaker 2 I have a little anxiety. I'm like, I don't know what to do.
So sometimes I like for, I literally forget to like form a response. You know, I'm like, I got to get back to that.
So I'll forget about it.

Speaker 2 And it's terrible. And I'm just, that's kind of how I am.
I'm a little scattered with the texting.

Speaker 1 But do you think that's your biggest red flag? Like, you're just a bad texter. What else? What's

Speaker 2 another red flag? I'd like to think I got green flags. No, I got, let me think.

Speaker 2 You know, my exes, maybe in my 20s, might say I'm bad at communicating. So that kind of ties in.
But I've learned. I've learned.
You've gotten better. Yeah, I've gotten better.
Late 30s now.

Speaker 2 I've gotten better. So I'm more vulnerable.

Speaker 1 We love a vulnerable man that can like tap into his emotions and his feelings. Totally.
What are you doing on a Saturday night with your friends?

Speaker 2 Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 Usually, what did I do last weekend? Like, like my buddy, like this next Saturday, he does

Speaker 2 like 60. He does these big like lunches at Jelina in Venice.
Yeah, yeah. We all bring a bottle of wine, but it's like six hours.
So he prefaced it with that.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to make it six hours. Jesus Christ.
And it went by like that. So we do this.
We do these little like lunches with random different people.

Speaker 2 He's kind of in the food industry. He's a chef.
So we kind of like have these interesting.

Speaker 1 Are you getting like annoyed when you're out? Like are you getting noticed all the time everywhere you go?

Speaker 2 No, no, it depends. I'm not like, you know, I'm not like the Caprio level where it's like this thing.

Speaker 2 I kind of have a nice pocket where it's, it's fun to get recognized for the gossip girl thing still. Yeah, for sure.
Which is like still been this like three different waves of Netflix.

Speaker 2 I don't know how it keeps, keeps coming around, but it's the same age, you know.

Speaker 2 Female is always like so excited. So it's, so I do get it sometimes in more touristy spots like Venice or in New York or somewhere kind of where there's more people from all over the place.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 But it's fun that you have like a good attitude about it because I can imagine like I've I've talked to people before on my show about like people that are have done so much in their career, but there's this one thing that people are like, we just can't get past it.

Speaker 1 Like for you, it's gossip girl. For like other, oh my God, for other people, it's like the OC.
Like I know you've talked to like Rachel Bilson.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 1 it's like she's done so much in her career, but there's the one thing that people are like, can we just talk about this for 19 hours?

Speaker 1 And it's like, you can either just be positive about it or like fucking hate it. But like, it's what made you super famous.
Right. And it's kind of fun for all of us to like indulge a little bit.

Speaker 2 I mean, when you're younger in your 20s, it's like, I'm like, you, you try, everything's so precious. Like, I want to be like Marlon Brando.
Like, I'm so annoyed by gossip girl, right?

Speaker 2 And like, even the name, I hate it. Dude, it's like, it's the great, it's great.
It's the greatest thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like it's this weird cultural thing of the zeitgeist of that time to like pre-Instagram, pre-all these things. Like the first iPhone had just come out.

Speaker 2 Like it was such a weird, amazing time in New York. Fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 When were you you in New York? Were you in New York? I was in New York right,

Speaker 1 I'm like a little younger. So I was like,

Speaker 1 New York for me was just as crazy, but like I had my fucking iPhone and it wasn't as fun. Like, I remember college more when I was watching Gossip Girl in like high school.

Speaker 1 I was like obsessed with it because I grew up on the East Coast. I like knew the nature of New York City.
Totally. But I was not, I didn't come from like a wealthy family.

Speaker 1 So like the con, I was like with the fucking Humphreys.

Speaker 2 I would have been down in like I mean, even the Humphreys are in this like loft space. It's like a $20 million.
Like, that's all BS. Like, that's like...
That's what I was like.

Speaker 1 I can't afford shit.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? My first apartment in New York City was quite literally a shoebox. And I'm like, yeah, it's not looking so glamorous, but you still go out and you can still go to the similar places.

Speaker 1 That's what I love about New York is like, you can go to where DiCaprio is or whoever the fuck. And New York is cool.

Speaker 1 Like that, where LA is a little bit more snooty, where it's like, you can't get in here. Where New York, it's like anyone can get in anywhere.

Speaker 2 And they'll treat me like, like, it's, it's kind of nice because everyone is like way too cool for school in Los Angeles. They don't give a shit about anything at all.
They won't even like look at me.

Speaker 2 I get the thing. I'm like, okay, listen, I can't even get Lakers tickets to save my life.
Everyone wants to, but the Knicks, they would always give me Knicks tickets and Rangers, baby.

Speaker 2 So yeah, that was it. Fucking amazing.
Shout out to them.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk a little bit more, obviously, about Gossip Girl at some point, but. I do want to talk to you about your childhood because obviously you're this, like, you became this heartthrob.

Speaker 1 Your life changed, I think, around like 22-ish was Gossip Girl.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 21, 22. You're right.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So like before that, like how would you describe your childhood it was interesting i was born in lubbock small town texas not much going on out there i kind of woke up i was in oklahoma city first memories so random parents are from there dad's from there my parents met there at a small very small like religious college there so oklahoma city very and listen my parents had me when they were like 20 and 21 so that's you know, a very, very southern thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, they were still growing up as we were. I can't imagine having like a 15-year-old right now.
So, um, so they were young. My dad was in med school.
Uh, what happened?

Speaker 2 We moved to Minnesota for four years for his med school, and then we moved back to Texas

Speaker 2 when I was like nine or 10 years old in Dallas. I'm from Dallas, like north, North Dallas, a little bit suburbia, a little bit out there in the sticks, but more suburbia, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 Were you raised religious?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah. Were you?

Speaker 1 Oh my God. It was, it was tough because obviously I can't imagine being from the south and being raised religious.

Speaker 1 Like, I was raised Catholic every single Sunday going to church, and I was from Pennsylvania. So it wasn't like probably as intense maybe as like adding on the South.

Speaker 1 But it was just confusing because I always felt more like pulled to the arts and like pulled to these things that just like weren't as traditional. Me too.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so you just kind of feel like a fucking weirdo and you feel like.

Speaker 1 Art naturally like pushes the boundaries on conversations.

Speaker 1 And when you're raised religious, it's a little bit like, what are you doing here? Like you're like outside the lines.

Speaker 1 And if you were raised in Los Angeles, it's like, go, sweetie, you're doing great. So it's like, it's just a matter of where you were raised.
Like, was it hard for you?

Speaker 1 With, like, when did you know you wanted to get into the arts?

Speaker 2 I was, I was like an artistic kid, actually. I was always drawing and stuff.
I, I, I never wanted to be an actor. I had no idea about acting or any of it.
I know.

Speaker 2 It's like that shitty story that's like no one wants to hear. I'd like to do that.
No, that's good. That's good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like, I was very naive about the acting thing. I just,

Speaker 2 yeah, when there was like this, like this like secular world, right?

Speaker 2 That's like, you know, even though I was sort of a bit policed on what music I was listening to and, you know, all these other things, it kind of makes you feel just claustrophobic in a way, right?

Speaker 2 I remember like always really wanting to just travel or just get out of the bubble and meet new people and go out and do that.

Speaker 2 But I was a pretty good drawer and like charcoal and like a little bit of painting when I was like, you know, like middle school.

Speaker 2 I started kind of, I'm not grad, I was good for like a sixth grader, okay?

Speaker 2 Good for like a kid, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good for like 100 kids in my grade, okay? I was like the best artist at like 100 kids in Dallas, right? Right, right.

Speaker 2 No, no, but, but, uh, so my parents did kind of like foster that a little bit. They let me, you know, I went into like photography classes, and those are my favorite, favorite stuff.

Speaker 1 So, did you ever have an awkward phase?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, totally. Oh, man.

Speaker 2 I should have, yeah.

Speaker 2 I wish I had a picture of me in like sixth grade with the Abercrombie and the puka, and like, oh, I'm talking full highlight cap, like my mom highlighting my hair through the noodle cap.

Speaker 1 But wasn't that like low-key hot at the time?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I thought, I mean, we all thought so.

Speaker 1 The puka shawl was like, if a guy was wearing a puka shawl, I'm like, you were the fucking shit. Like, you had confidence.
Wait, why were you awkward?

Speaker 2 I just was awkward. I wasn't good at talking to girls.
I had no idea. Like, you know, you think, you think like one plus one equals two at that time.

Speaker 2 You like a girl, they're supposed to like you back. And when the first girl did not like me back at all, I was like, oh shit.
Like, I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 I guess I didn't even really come into my personality until like middle of high school. I would say.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that's kind of normal, though. I feel like boys either are just like so outgoing and loud and like kind of annoying as shit or there's like the little artsy guys that like blossom eventually

Speaker 2 i was a little bit more in that yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean what were your friends like so i had some good friends i i they were kind of geeky you know outdoorsy you know like go-karts and bikes and and like just little like all you know outside doing you know sports was sports is a big like you know texas thing so like everyone it's gotten even worse like every weekend is like sports for kids and it's just this whole and you didn't play football.

Speaker 2 I did, but not like, not like Friday Night Lights football. It wasn't like the Panthers.
It wasn't like Tim Riggins. I love Kitch.
He's a, he's a buddy.

Speaker 2 But, you know, I, I, I actually, I actually auditioned for that, for that show and didn't, didn't get the quarterback, and I was devastated at the time. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. And you must have been like wanting that too because being from Texas, that kind of went like a full circle fun moment.

Speaker 2 Oh, devastated. Yeah.
I was like, oh my God, that's so bad. But, but it did, it didn't work out.

Speaker 1 So you didn't get it in real life and you didn't get it in acting.

Speaker 2 no yeah yeah scarred forever yeah yeah i was definitely not my dad was like you're not you're not gonna you're probably not gonna grow over six foot so let's um no he was like let's maybe stick to golf and something easy yeah golf tell me about golf because i'm gonna be honest when i think back to high school and i think about the guys

Speaker 1 i'm i'm not you know i'm not gravitating toward the golfers

Speaker 1 however i feel like they figured no listen now in hindsight if i have a son one day and you're like get your fucking ass into golf right right those are the guys that like get the scholarships and are smart and have their life figured out and just like look put together.

Speaker 1 Where like the meatheads, like, God bless them, but like, where are they totally?

Speaker 2 I know. I mean, you can keep

Speaker 2 you can keep playing golf, doubt your life. And I'm not even like, I feel like I, it seems like I play in these little charity things that they invite me to.

Speaker 2 And like, so I, yeah, so I'm like, but I'm not that big of a golfer. I played growing up because there was, cause I just wasn't going to be big enough for football.
So that was sort of the...

Speaker 2 the impetus there.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine if you had gotten Friday Night Light? That would have been totally different.

Speaker 2 And then the next year I got the gossip girl thing. So it would have been totally.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Either like you playing football or you being like trust fund Mr.
Swab in New York City. Yeah, yeah.
I feel like that fit you well. Not that you could have done football.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I want you to know I would have accepted that role too, but I think it was meant to be. It was meant to be.
Right, right, right. Okay, wait.
So you got denied by a girl. Did you ever go to prom?

Speaker 2 I did go to prom. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How did you do a prom proposal? Come on.

Speaker 2 Oh, I got. I actually ended up going.
One of my best friends in high school was this girl, Alyssa, Alyssa Weldon, lover. We called her Wubby.

Speaker 2 So we used to go to prom together just because I had, I think I had a girlfriend from a different school, that's right, I had a girlfriend from a different school.

Speaker 2 And there was like a thing where the girls didn't want you. It was just like, if you can't bring a girl from them school.
So I want to bring my friend Wubby and we

Speaker 2 tore it up. Me and Wubby.
We tore it up. Yeah.
Oh, good for you. So that was it.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the first time you drank?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do actually. I do.
I do.

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 2 back of a Honda Prius. No.
Mike's Hard Lemonade. Or no.
It was a, it was a, no, it was a grab bag, I think. It was Mike's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff.
I don't say Smirnoff.

Speaker 2 Or like Seema or something like that. But it was Mike's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff.
I think I had one of each.

Speaker 2 But it was one of those things where you're like, you, you don't know if you're drunk and you don't know how to act. You act drunker than you are.

Speaker 2 I think I'm feeling great. Like you're like try and like, dude, it's just water.
We like, we, we, we fucked with you. It's just water.

Speaker 1 But you're not even like fucking tipsy, but you're like, no. guys, things are really starting to feel different.
And

Speaker 1 nothing is different. We're just driving and it's like moving a little bit.

Speaker 2 Okay. Calm the fuck down.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Wow.
Okay. So like you had like an okay experience because I feel like to say that you had that for your first drink.

Speaker 1 Like I was like going into my parents' liquor cabinet and like grabbing like a disgusting brandy and like holding my nose and like vomiting back into the bottle and just trying to get like a couple steps.

Speaker 1 You had a nice little mic switch.

Speaker 2 No, no, I had a bad moment with vanilla. It was, I think it was vanilla Coke or vanilla sky.
It was like vanilla, something vanilla flavored. Ruined it forever.
That'll do it. That'll do it.

Speaker 2 So that's your drink.

Speaker 2 That was my bad moment. It was like Coke and some vanilla.
Like vanilla Coke is a mixed with vodka. Bad night.

Speaker 1 You can never now not drink that and think of that.

Speaker 2 No, it was great because then I just kind of would like, I switched to beer. As you one does in Texas, you switch to some beer.
So.

Speaker 1 Abercrombie and Fitch.

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 2 Like, I was so awkward.

Speaker 1 You were an Abercrombie and Fitch boy.

Speaker 2 No, I worked there. I actually, I worked behind the counter.
I was like doing the numbers.

Speaker 1 You still had to be hot. You still had to be hot and cool.
Like you still had to have a thing.

Speaker 2 I lied about my age, too, because they're like, I thought it was like cool to be picked. Like, would you work here? And I was like, yeah, maybe, maybe.
Like, yeah, give me an application.

Speaker 2 And I was like lying on the application.

Speaker 1 How, okay, to all the Gen Z people that are listening that may have like no idea about the 2000s Abercrombie craze, can you just describe what it was like to work there?

Speaker 2 You have no idea. First of all, okay,

Speaker 2 you get to the mall, you walk in, you can smell that store from any entrance point in the mall, mall, right? Woods cologne. Never, I can smell it, and I can taste it right now.

Speaker 2 Thinking about it, the woods, it's kind of disgusting. They probably still have it.
God, yep.

Speaker 2 And then, as I'm getting closer, I can hear the same mix that they've been playing on repeat for 48 hours. I can like know this song, and now I probably love every song on there.

Speaker 2 But, like, it's the same thing. You get in there, there's like greeters standing there, sometimes shirtless back in the day.
I mean, you were never one of those. I was never one of those.

Speaker 2 They tried to, actually, I had enough, at least, self-dignity, respect back and be like, I'm a math guy. Like put me behind the register.
So, and I actually, the time went by way faster.

Speaker 2 I was not a greeter, but you get there, you might be introduced by some shirtless guys. And then,

Speaker 2 and there's always photographs. He's like those Bruce Weber, like black and white photographs.
You know, those were kind of the iconic thing that made it so

Speaker 2 at the time. That was very like racy and like, oh, it was like

Speaker 1 new.

Speaker 1 Cause we got like a little bit of penis lines going on like the boys side and like the girl side was like these abs and I was like, I literally don't even have tits right now they were like 25 years old completely completely like iSchool kids and the smell I was thinking about it though I'm like Hollister was 10 times worse because you had to walk in there with a flashlight they turned all the lights off and it was like a madhouse like

Speaker 2 and you're literally like grabbing clothes and you're just checking out it was awful yeah it was awful terrible yeah i worked at both i worked at hollister too for a summer it was what terrible it was awful it was awful chase you had

Speaker 1 you are like that guy.

Speaker 1 The guy that just like worked at Abercrombie and Hollister.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I kind of love it, though. Yeah.
It was cool back then.

Speaker 2 It was embarrassing. It was cool.
Yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 1 It's not, it's not embarrassing. It's cool.
It's cool.

Speaker 1 Because back in the day, like. I feel like half the time I would walk in that store and that was like maybe my sexual awakening being like, whoa, like these boys are like so gorgeous.

Speaker 1 Again, like you said, 25-year-old men.

Speaker 1 And it was, I think it was like a whole experience that back in the day, like that was the coolest thing going. Now we don't even have malls anymore.

Speaker 2 No, there's no malls. The Bev Center's grit, it's empty.
It's like kind of nice. You're going to walk my dog.
It's kind of nice in there. It is a ghost town.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're talking about gossam girl again.

Speaker 2 Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 The audition process. I think it's fascinating to think about, like, you obviously don't get Friday night lights, and then you go for this.
Like, what does that even entail? Like, how long was it?

Speaker 1 Did you even know what the show really was going to be?

Speaker 2 Like, no, I had no idea. I mean, I, like a lot of kids, I watched, I grew up in the OC in high school and into my college

Speaker 2 and my college year was the best show. Loved it.
But it was weird. I went in there.
It was like a process of like a six, six hoops to jump through.

Speaker 2 It was actually kind of a wild process, but I knew that Josh and Stephanie did the OC. They're phenomenal.
And I knew it could have this potential to be cool.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh, they're definitely going to change the name. That name's never going to stick.

Speaker 2 It's based on these books, whatever. But I went in.
And then right away,

Speaker 2 if I remember correctly, I wore like my most New York-y jacket possible, like my preppiest, you know, know, whatever. I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2 But at the same time, I was a little bit like,

Speaker 2 again, I'm like younger. I was a little like eye roll.
Like, this is kind of not beneath me, but

Speaker 2 I wanted Friday Night Live. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, I kind of went in there with like a very kind of blase, like whatever, which probably worked in my favor as those things kind of do.

Speaker 2 But they wanted to do like a test, you know, thing right away, which I thought, great. There's going to be like one more, one more audition or whatever.

Speaker 2 But then it was like back with producers and then like producers and director. And then it was like

Speaker 2 It's different. It's all different now now.
Now it's all self-tapes and you just kind of put yourself out there. Right.
You know, but but back then it was like it was CW.

Speaker 2 So it was CBS and Warner Brothers. So I had to go to like the top of like the Warner Brothers building.

Speaker 2 And I remember one of the final, maybe fourth or fifth times, I like walk into this big like 40 row conference room, you know, and I think I tested with a few actresses, a few girls for like Blair or whatever.

Speaker 2 And I remember thinking like, I'm like, God, that's a really great great part. Like, she's got some great chunks of dialogue.
It's like funny. And, you know, no, no offense.

Speaker 2 They didn't really, I was like, that's, I just don't really see it with these girls. And I got this big conference room.
And there was this, this one girl kind of sitting with her back turned.

Speaker 2 I walked all the way around. I was like, hi, nice to meet you.
And it was like late and turned around. And before she even said, I'm like, that's, she's like, so perfect.

Speaker 2 She was like, hi, nice to meet you. I'm like, that's the girl.
So we both were like super nervous. And we had to like go in and test.
It's silly.

Speaker 2 It was like a theater seating, dark room, one stool, like lights. And it was like, you go in.
And that's like the silliest scenes ever you're doing, like in front of like all these people.

Speaker 2 I'm like, talk about Nathaniel's Paxel and all this stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 And so, anyway, so I did that. I was like, I don't know if it went well.
And I guess I got the call to that. I got it.

Speaker 1 So that is, I love also how you just like knew Layton. Also, she was so fucking perfect for that part.
Like, no one else could have done that.

Speaker 2 She had the headband on the audition. She flipped around.
I'm like, I think I'm in love with you. Literally.

Speaker 1 You're like, I love you. And then America was like, I love you too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you always know you were going in for Nate?

Speaker 2 Yeah, always for Nate. Yeah.
I think they switched around some of the roles, kind of like the play. I remember going in and reading with Blake and a few other guys.

Speaker 2 They were trying to fit the pen to the Dan role.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. I think it's just so fascinating because I've heard some people go in for someone and they get switched.
But like.

Speaker 1 When I think of Nate, your character like had a very different upbringing than like what you were used to. Like when you first started filming, could you relate to anything about this person?

Speaker 2 No, like nothing. No, absolutely nothing.
I had no idea. Like, I didn't really know any Northeastern people.
I had no idea. Like, the whole thing, it was all new to me.

Speaker 1 Did you have an accident?

Speaker 2 I love money.

Speaker 2 I had like a subtle, I kind of lost it in California when I went to college for like four years. But I get drunk.
I have a little accent. Yeah, yeah.
But, but I had, I did think about that, though.

Speaker 2 I'm like, how do these, you know, what is that New York thing? You know, what is that preppy thing? Right.

Speaker 1 Because you went to Pepperdine for one year.

Speaker 2 I did, yeah, for about a year and a half. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Did your family think you were losing your mind that you dropped out?

Speaker 2 Kind of. I mean, they like, I, I, I kind of freaked out.
I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. I kind of had a freak out moment and just, they were supportive.

Speaker 2 I graduated high school a bit younger. I was like 17.
So they were like, take a year off, like, do whatever. And of course, I found this acting class.
I'm like, I want to be an actor.

Speaker 2 So, you know, but they, they were somehow supportive, they shockingly, because I didn't think they would be. Right.
My dad being a doctor and whatnot.

Speaker 1 So I was going to say, because I remember Pepperdine when I was picking schools, I remember looking it up because I was like so fascinated with California. And I look up Pepperdine.

Speaker 1 I'm like, this looks like the most magical place on earth. And then I was reading, and my mom was like, sweetie, you can't drink if you go to the school.
Why am I bringing that up to you?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that, by the way, till I got there. I don't even know how strict it was.
We got there. I'm like, guess I'm joining a fraternity, which I didn't

Speaker 2 necessarily want to do.

Speaker 1 But yeah. That is like notoriously one of the strictest schools.
Like, you can't drink.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. You can't have co-ed past like 11 o'clock p.m.
You can't have any girl in your room. Vice versa.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you do anything that like broke the rules your freshman year?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, we did. Yeah, quite a bit.
Somehow, yeah, we did. We could have got in a lot of trouble, actually.

Speaker 2 I think we like skinny dipped in like the president's like pool or something crazy while he was not there. Like something crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So you had a good time.

Speaker 2 We had a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 They're not going to invite you back.

Speaker 2 No, that was like a one-time thing, but it was like, we kind of like found, like, I met some really... Actually, three of my best friends, they ended up all being from Texas.

Speaker 2 And they were like from Austin and one was from like Amarillo, Texas. And somehow we became

Speaker 2 instant good friends. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's so fascinating to think about you in college doing one year and then dropping out and going to gossip. Girl, do you think that like anyone in your hometown

Speaker 1 was surprised to see that success?

Speaker 2 Or was everyone like, oh, guaranteed they were so all everyone was probably super left field surprised. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 They had no clue you'd be doing that.

Speaker 2 No, I never wanted to be an actor. And I also wasn't that guy.
I wasn't like Johnny, like, you know, heartthrob on the TV show. I just wasn't.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was a late bloomer. By the time I was 21, I kind of started to come more into my own, right? Have, you know, real confidence.
Confidence.

Speaker 1 Did you have like random people reach out? I feel like all those people start kind of like crawling.

Speaker 2 It does happen. Yeah.
I mean, like, you probably speak that. Like, yeah, like, it's weird.
Like, certain things happen. People act weird around that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 You're like, wait a second. We did go to high school together and you never talked to me.
Why are you texting me? Yeah. How do you actually have my number?

Speaker 2 Yeah, there was that a little bit, actually. Isn't that weird? Yeah, it was weird.
It was weird. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When did it get like really big? After season one, it kind of just popped, right?

Speaker 2 I remember the fall of 2007, like right when it started airing, it became big like right away. Yeah, it was really insane.

Speaker 1 Do you have a moment that you remember that you were like, oh my God, my life has like forever changed?

Speaker 2 I don't really.

Speaker 2 I guess there wasn't that one moment. There was me and me and Ed Westwick, who played Chuck on the show.
Yes. You know, he was like an 18-year-old kid from like outside of London.

Speaker 2 He thought he was like Pete Doherty, right? Love, obsessed. And we,

Speaker 2 I'm from Texas. Like, I was just in college.
Like, I didn't know how expensive New York is. It was insane.

Speaker 2 I'm like, my dad had to like give us the security deposit and first month's and last month's rent until we got a first paycheck. It was like hilarious.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, I'm like, Ed, you want to like room together? Like, this is crazy. Like, this rents, I'm looking at this.
He's like, oh, yeah, sure, man. You know, he had no idea.

Speaker 2 And I, and we had, and like first summer, we, like, moving in July, like probably just turned 21 or 22. And we were like at the summer series in Central Park.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you remember any of that, but they had like big concerts out there. And it was like the Black Keys, Arctic Monkeys.
I might be dating myself, but it was awesome. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 Suns out, beers.

Speaker 2 And the show hadn't even come out. We'd shot the pilot.
We just moved there and we were having a blast, just him and I just exploring the city.

Speaker 2 And these girls did come up to us, and it was kind of freaked us out a little bit because we didn't know. And he kind of looked at me.
He was like, I think we're fucked, mate.

Speaker 2 He's like, show hasn't even come out yet, man. He's like, this whole thing.
And

Speaker 2 that moment is pretty crystallized in my mind because it was all like the black keys were playing. It was just like, you're just being like normal dudes, like sitting, chilling.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, hello?

Speaker 2 That was the very first time I think anyone ever asked for any type of picture. So that was, I do remember that as being like a defining, like, oh, interesting.
That's a weird feeling.

Speaker 1 As it like really started to pop off, like, how did you initially handle that like fame and attention?

Speaker 2 Not well, actually, not well. It kind of made me paranoid, to be honest.
Like, slightly. I don't want to say it was like this terrible thing.
It was

Speaker 2 fun. It was fun.
It was fun. But like you said, people come out of the woodwork, like think people start acting weird around fame.

Speaker 2 And you start realizing all these things that you can only realize from that seed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I mean, I don't want to act like it was this thing. It was, we had a blast.
For me, it was all about having fun. Like, I had so much fun, but it was.

Speaker 2 You just are always kind of like, you can't, like, you kind of aren't present all the time.

Speaker 2 Like at a rest, you kind of just kind of like aren't wary about people or phones, like a little bit, like not, you know.

Speaker 1 I think that's okay to say. Like, and I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 Like, that doesn't mean you're not so grateful for everything that came. Right.

Speaker 1 But it's like a very odd experience as a human being to be like, oh, all those people are staring at me right now and watching me and they know who I am. And I have no idea who these people are.

Speaker 2 They think they know you. Right.

Speaker 1 And you're like, I'm not Nate Archibald as much as you want me to be. I am not.
My name is Chase. I'm from Texas.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And New York's interesting because it's like, oh, you get all this influx of people and tourists, and you're not only, you're that character in that city.

Speaker 2 So it's like Mickey Mouse in Disneyland. They all want to see, like, take a photo with like Mickey.
So you feel like they just come up and hug you, and it's like, you're in this costume.

Speaker 1 Wait, that's so weird. Can we talk about that for a minute? Because I didn't even think about that.
Most

Speaker 1 shows that are like even movies, if they're like set in New York, spoiler, they're not fucking shot in New York. Most of them are shot in Canada.

Speaker 2 Toronto. Toronto.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And you guys actually were living, breathing, filming, shooting in New York City. The show was set in New York City.

Speaker 1 So, like, you're walking then to get breakfast and you're not working, but you're like walking wherever you're walking and someone sees you. Like, were people calling you Nate on the street?

Speaker 2 All the time. That was it.
That was always, it was always the character's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was crazy. And also fun, but like it was, it blurs the lines a lot, you know, and

Speaker 2 it was just weird. It was like really weird.
Like, if we were shooting exactly in Toronto, it's a different thing.

Speaker 2 But people are visiting New York and it was its own character in in the show, you know, and people are like, you know, fans of the show.

Speaker 2 And when they see you actually in that environment, it's like this whole, like, their mind is blown, you know, so it was a doubly interesting thing.

Speaker 1 And it's also weird to be in New York City as you, like,

Speaker 1 I think it's interesting because I just asked you at the beginning of this, like, oh, could you relate to anything? You're from Texas, this character, and you're like, no.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, you went from not being able to relate to anything about this character to like, you almost were becoming a part of this character. Was it

Speaker 1 weird like that yeah yeah you're like i live in new york city i am getting paparazzied people want to know who i'm dating and so i started off being like i can't relate to this kid at all and now it's like

Speaker 2 yeah yeah and i think it was like like perez hilton or whatever the gossip girly thing was at that time was really i always thought it was like funny stuff but it was the same thing happening you know what i mean and and i thought i wouldn't even like new york i visited in like high school and of course we went to all the tourists the awful spots awful and i was there for a month i'm like oh god i love this

Speaker 1 love this But that's the thing about New York. Don't you feel like when you visit New York, it's so overwhelming.
You get sent to the touristy spots where you're like, Times Square.

Speaker 1 And it's like all the places that if you live there, you would never go.

Speaker 1 Then when you live there, you like find the pockets and you're like, this is the best place. This is the best place ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And we kind of had the keys to the city.
And it's like your 20s in New York. As you know, it's just, there's nothing better.
So it was like, it was so great.

Speaker 1 So you're friends with Ed. You guys live together.
Like, I'm obsessed that you guys were roommates.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that until I was like doing research for this where where I'm like, I didn't know you guys fucking live together. That's epic.

Speaker 1 What was Ed's best and worst quality as a roommate?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

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Speaker 1 What was Ed's best and worst quality as a roommate?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 He had a lot of bad ones. Let me tell you that much.

Speaker 2 We lived in this little apartment.

Speaker 2 I think it was like a, they call it like a junior one where there was like the like a real bedroom. Right.
And then there was like an office you could put in a closed wall.

Speaker 2 And I was like, we'll just switch. Like, and I'll pay a little bit more.
Of course, we never switched.

Speaker 2 And I'm glad we did because Ed's room was like, you know, it was like a lunch pail with like overflowing cigarettes. And like, I mean, you thought like the Joker lived there.
It was insane.

Speaker 2 I'm not even kidding. I shouldn't be calling him out like this, but I love that.
I love it. Right.
He's 19. I'm 21.
Like, you know, and

Speaker 2 he was just messy. I'm a little OCD.
I mean, I'm not OCD, but I'm like a little bit on that side of like, I need things put in the right places and stuff. So, oh, so him?

Speaker 1 He's literally like an ashtray walking around. You're like, clean up, clean up, clean up.

Speaker 2 Like shoving the stuff in his room, shoving the door. And like, and then it was like, and he's, you know, at the time, like, ripping SIGs.
I was like, stop that, you know?

Speaker 2 So that that was probably i didn't like the sigs but we had an absolute blast in that place we had like a roof dot roof deck yeah we have to go down the elevator and to the thing but no one was ever up there on like 26th and 10th or 11th and and uh 26th and 10th what is that like

Speaker 2 it was just like not a midtown built chelsea i guess technically yeah yeah yeah but was kind of close to the water had the like this amazing view on this roof deck and we just called it roof deck and he would like invite a bunch of people we bring a bow speaker and some like you know big bottle of vodka whatever and just like have like a party up there all the time okay

Speaker 1 first of all to think about the two of you throwing a party yeah

Speaker 1 on your roof deck yeah what was the difference between chase and ed's parties versus nate and chuck's parties

Speaker 2 Not much except the money involved. We didn't put much money behind ours.

Speaker 2 We weren't making quite that. I know I ended up being like the president of the world at the end of the show, but it was ridiculous.
And he was owning hotel chains.

Speaker 2 But his was very much skewed more like British underground rock scene, you know, and I had like the beers going. But they did turn out to be pretty like fun, kind of well-known parties.

Speaker 2 Like, people would like show up from all over the place and like all over the city.

Speaker 1 I mean, is it true that you lived in the same building as the chain smokers?

Speaker 2 Oh, it's a great story. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, next door, actually, Jessica Zoro, I love the desk. She's getting married in August, and I can't wait to see her.
She played Vanessa on the show, and we'd all hang out.

Speaker 2 And then she'd be like, guys,

Speaker 2 and she's in 555. We were like 535.
So she was literally, we were next door. And she'd always be like,

Speaker 2 my roommate, this guy down the hall, Alex, like, plays.

Speaker 1 What is this accent you're doing?

Speaker 2 I'm trying to do a Wisconsin accent. It's terrible.
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 Wait, is she the one you have the dog with?

Speaker 2 She's from Wisconsin. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, my God. I was like, this is too full circle.
No, no, we've all been like... Great friends.

Speaker 1 This is your Wisconsin. Do that again?

Speaker 2 No, she's like from

Speaker 2 Wisconsin. She's terrible.
I can't do it.

Speaker 2 Do it. Do it.
She's like, guys,

Speaker 2 my friend Alex is playing.

Speaker 2 He's like a DJ. And then it's terrible.

Speaker 1 I'm really going to call you and be like,

Speaker 1 why did you act like I speak like that on that show?

Speaker 2 I love her too bad. She's the best.
But she'd be like, yo, and it was like three in the morning. I mean, you know, New York goes very late.
So we'd be out. She'd be like, come back over.

Speaker 2 Like, we're going to go to Alex's house. Our apartment.
It's only a house, like a little tiny apartment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was Alex from Chain Smokers. And he would, he just liked playing.

Speaker 2 He's the best. I still see him out and about.
And we would just sit there and rip and like just like chop it up talking. And he's like DJing playing music.
And

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 What a small world. That's crazy to think that like you guys as like young guys and because they weren't even formed yet, were they?

Speaker 2 No, they weren't. They weren't.

Speaker 1 Because he hadn't met Drew yet.

Speaker 2 Exactly. He hadn't met Drew yet.
That's right. So I think there was someone else involved, but he hadn't met Drew and our mutual friend with Jessica was this guy Will Malnati is still my best friend.

Speaker 2 I met him through her, but he worked in nightclubs kind of or hospitality so Alex was like hey can you get me into these places and he did will like hooked him up and got him into these like nightclubs with DJ and stuff like that so they're the best yeah yeah they're so fun I had them on and I was like that was right you did have them on yes I won't ask if you and um Ed have had a threesome together but I did ask them that

Speaker 2 what'd they say what was their answer absolutely

Speaker 1 they literally go uh which which one and we were like I was like what and they're like which time and I was like I don't know I don't know tell me about about them all and alex at the time was like stop drew and drew was like okay so the first time i'm like oh my god okay this is quite fun yeah um who would you guys invite to these parties because at the time were you like hanging out with industry people were you meeting like chicks at like nyu

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 sometimes yeah like so i i i don't know exactly who would we bring up there we'd bring

Speaker 2 good friends, but then sometimes it would get really out of hand. It'd be like, you know, like it'd be insane.
I remember one time I wanted, this is very very like a early 2000s story. The class.

Speaker 2 But like, we would have,

Speaker 2 you know, it got a lot of hand, but the, but the doorman loved us and they would like, kind of let us do anything. They would just say like, do this or that.
Don't do that.

Speaker 2 And so he called, I think a doorman called me. He's like, yo, there's, you got to come down.
There's some commotion going on down here. And I'm like, what's going on?

Speaker 2 And I go down the elevator and you could see, you could see like all the way down and there was just floor to ceiling windows at the front of the building. Right.

Speaker 2 And I look and it was like Lindsey Lohan and Sam Ronson, they were dating at the time. It's very 2000.
We're like walking down, and there was just a wall of photographers in the window.

Speaker 2 I was like, whoa, you're like, no, we made it.

Speaker 1 Did they ever come up?

Speaker 2 Of course they came up and it was great. And I think we had met before, kind of, and they're amazing.
Like, Sam's great.

Speaker 2 And I haven't seen them in ages, but like, they came up and it was like a very early 2000s. These are the details we needed, Chase.
Yeah, no, these are stories I haven't ever told.

Speaker 2 And then, and then, and then we like, you know, raged up there. It was good.

Speaker 1 Did Paris ever come to a party?

Speaker 2 She

Speaker 2 did not, but

Speaker 2 I saw Paris recently, actually. And I did at this like fancy, you know, some Oscar thing.
And

Speaker 2 she said, hey, I went up to her and said, hey, and we were, I'm like, I'm like, you remember the first time you ever met me, we ever met, right? And she was like, I think she said, I think so.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I was in college. I hadn't done anything yet acting-wise, but I was living, I just moved to L.A.

Speaker 2 My sister was in town with a buddy, and we were at like Teddy's, that nightclub back in the day, which was like the best and i was like we and you're like you were so nice to us you hung out with us and invited us to your birthday party and we all went and it was amazing she was like no way and i'm like yes she's literally like i don't remember this at all she doesn't remember any of it she i think she actually did she's amazing and so i always we always say what's up when i see her but that was like my other you know early 2000s story i'm obsessed because you paris is like the nicest human the nicest when you meet her you're like oh my god you're even better in person like she's lovely but i love how like for paris like that probably meant like nothing at the time to her she's like got leo at her parties and she's got everyone and she's like okay come and meanwhile you're like

Speaker 2 my life is made yeah my sister was in like college i was like barely out of college i'm like are you kidding me she invites us to her birthday but she's being so nice i'm like yeah we'll go like it was great at her house it was a blast like it was really really cool like that is epic 2005 or six probably who knows did any of your rooftop parties ever get shut down they never did actually what They never did.

Speaker 2 There was no one really like the noise didn't travel because it was so

Speaker 1 that's the that's you being having it in with like the doorman, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no one ever used it either, like it was really wild.

Speaker 1 I don't know how we got to have a rooftop, yeah, and to have a one junior suite thing that's like a one bedroom, that's pretty insane. That's a great little gig.

Speaker 2 It's a great deal for me. I got the main room, so yeah, sorry, Ed.

Speaker 1 Okay, what would he say your worst quality as a roommate is?

Speaker 2 Oh, oh, I don't know what he would say. Um,

Speaker 2 What would he say my worst quality would be?

Speaker 2 Probably, probably falling asleep so easily when we're, when he was like trying to tell a story, we'd be watching like, just like CDs of Eourage, just playing, and he was like, look at that.

Speaker 2 I'd be like, passed out. But like, I don't know what my worst quality was.
I was a great, I'm a great roommate. I'll never have another roommate.
So help me to go.

Speaker 1 I need to have Ed on now and he'd watch him be like, come with a list.

Speaker 2 He'd be like,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 Number one. No, it seems like if you're the one that's like cleaner, like you're, maybe he'd be like, he was annoying as shit.
He was constantly cleaning my shit. Like leave my shit alone.

Speaker 2 Yeah, when I had to like move out, I think he was like heartbroken. I think he was a little bit mad at me.

Speaker 1 He'd have built in me.

Speaker 2 After like two years, I'm like, all right, buddy. Like, I need my own.
We're successful. The show is going.

Speaker 2 We got to like just, yeah.

Speaker 2 We have our own place. And he stayed in that place and like knocked the wall down and like made it his own.

Speaker 1 He did?

Speaker 2 Yeah, with like an axe. He like knocked his little wall down.
It was very dramatic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, were you like, are you insane that you're staying?

Speaker 2 A little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, actually.

Speaker 1 Like, bro, we got the paycheck.

Speaker 2 We got the thing. Yeah.
It was like two, two years. We had two good years, right?

Speaker 1 Look, let's go.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Have you ever hooked up with a co-star?

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 2 It's just such a night. You just did it so, you know.

Speaker 1 And then you go for the water so casually, acting like I'm going to forget what I just asked, hoping I'll go on to a next question.

Speaker 2 Yeah, listen, I would say

Speaker 2 I would say those things are inevitable. You know,

Speaker 2 when you're in your 20s, like,

Speaker 2 or whenever, could be for anything, like workplace. But, but, you know,

Speaker 2 the thing is, the thing is, you're on these things. It's not like people would probably think it's like these sexy scenes or whatever.

Speaker 2 It's like, that's like the worst part of it. It's like 60 people watching.
It's like the downtime. You're doing this show.
You're on set for like 12, 14 hours a day.

Speaker 2 And usually there's some pretty interesting people from all walks of life. And, and

Speaker 2 the danger is, the danger is if you have, if you connect right away with like sense of humor, at at least for me, like if you have a good, if, if you like, have like, have a rapport and can like kind of banter and give each other shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah. For me, I'm like, ooh, I got to like watch out

Speaker 2 for myself. So I'm like, I'm going to like start, you know.
Liking them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, and I bet it's like, yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 You're spending so much time with these people that obviously the minute if you're like emotionally connecting with someone, that can be your person.

Speaker 1 Like while you're like sitting in between scenes, like you start to just get closer. And then naturally, okay, so you're going to leave it to all of us to guess who it was.

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, I've done like other shows and stuff, but yeah, you know, it's oh, yeah, but like

Speaker 1 I love how you had to take a pause, take a sip of water, and you got really centered with yourself. And then you like made eye contact with me and you gave me the most perfect PR answer.
Like,

Speaker 1 sometimes when things get heated and the emotions are there, it's inevitable. But, you know, we've all moved on.
No, it's fine. It's fine.

Speaker 2 Did you ever know if co-stars at the time were like hooking up and then you like kept their secret for them yeah absolutely yeah absolutely and by the way there's a lot of like actors and people coming on to the show so they're like over the years

Speaker 2 and then i had i was fortunate enough to have like friends in the city that were actors but i they were outside the show and i had a really good like friend group and then like they everyone else has their little friend group and so you know you meet people in those in that wider circle it's not just like you know that tiny little like circle everyone's like putting a map together like that so you know it's a lot of people involved uh But, you know, again, it was like our college experience, you know.

Speaker 1 Exactly. One year at Pepperdine, three years at Gossip Girl University.

Speaker 1 Can I ask, though, if you weren't dating, let's say, someone on, in your cast, what was your dating life like during Gossip Girl? Because now you're famous. People know you.
You're in a city. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What was it like?

Speaker 2 It was, I mean, in the sense of like dating life, it was kind of non-existent.

Speaker 2 I didn't really like, I was never like doing the, well, I never liked doing like the interview, like sit down like go on dates it was like i was meeting a lot of people out all the time

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 and it was very uh like it was very much like meet meet people through your friends yeah and and like for me i guess it was i don't know i guess it was experience-based like you kind of do something or you go off and and meet people through through a crazy experience i would kind of connect with them and then and then we would we would date so and you're so young like yeah being 22 23 in new york city like at that point i'm assuming you you were not looking for a relationship.

Speaker 1 Like you're having fun, you're meeting people, you're hooking up, you're going to work, like you're starting to make your first real like paycheck. Like

Speaker 1 fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, we had a lot of fun.
And in high school, I kind of had like one girlfriend and it was very like kind of that thing.

Speaker 2 And so I was kind of, you know, wanted to, wanted to get out there.

Speaker 1 Okay. How did you feel when we found out that Dan was fucking gossip girl?

Speaker 2 I felt happy that it wasn't me. I was just really happy that it wasn't Nate because then they told me they were probably, they were thinking about, I'm like, why would it even be me?

Speaker 1 I'm like, yeah your character was like too like laissez-faire like you wouldn't have time to like get on your computer and type away no yeah he's in politics now he's a senator now right yeah he's like 26 year old senator so yeah I kind of always thought of Nate as just kind of like go with the flow like although I hate when you hooked up with that older woman

Speaker 1 I didn't like like that era yeah yeah I didn't love that and but I liked when you and Serena were together yeah yeah the white party the kiss to make everyone jealous yeah yeah you're a fan of it okay you know

Speaker 1 you don't even want to know how much of a fan i am when it ends.

Speaker 1 I think I've talked a lot about with people when they're actors of like, understandably, there's this fan base that is like, don't you fucking dare say you weren't sad to see it end.

Speaker 1 But most people are like, I got to move on with my fucking life. It's time to go.
Like, right. How did you feel when it all was ending? Were you like, let's fucking go?

Speaker 2 I,

Speaker 2 or tears.

Speaker 2 I had, I went through like a major depression, I feel like, looking back. Not really, but I, I, right.

Speaker 2 I wasn't, I wasn't like prepared for it to end, I guess. I thought I was, but, but it was more like New York.

Speaker 2 It's your family. It's like you wake up and you, and even the driver is like, you know what I mean? It's like the hair makeup girls, like they're awesome, and that's your whole day.

Speaker 2 That's like your whole identity.

Speaker 2 It's like a young, I was ready for it to be done, but

Speaker 2 me and Ed would talk about it all the time. It's like, this is the greatest drug we'll ever have.
It was so, it was so easy. It was an easy thing.
It was fun. And we would laugh about that.

Speaker 2 But more, I was just mad. I had to like, I was like,

Speaker 2 I guess I got to go back to L.A. and like, you

Speaker 1 you're like, I really liked it. I liked it in New York.

Speaker 2 I should have stayed for a little bit. Why didn't you? I don't know.

Speaker 2 In hindsight with real estate, I should have just bought a place and like kept it. Like, what was I thinking?

Speaker 1 You should have gone back and gotten the place that Ed had been renting out and like

Speaker 2 bought a whole floor and renovated the whole thing. Fumigated the whole thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you went back to LA?

Speaker 2 I went back to L.A., yes, yes.

Speaker 1 So talk to me about your state of depression. I can imagine it's like kind of an identity crisis, right?

Speaker 2 It was. Yeah, it was an identity crisis.
It was just a weird, it was a weird thing. It was just, it didn't last very long, but it was like a few months of like,

Speaker 2 it was just a daunting thing of like, is there auditions now? And like going back, and how do I? And you're putting a box a little bit, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 You're kind of the guy that did a CW show who looks a certain way. And it's, it's definitely

Speaker 2 like, okay, I gotta, I gotta find something to kind of break out of that. So there was, there was that, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I feel like also, I mean, wait, how long was Gossip Girl? How many years?

Speaker 2 Six years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Six years. That's like a long ass time to be in something like at what, like towards the end of the last year, you guys knew it was ending, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, we knew, yeah.

Speaker 1 But you still have to start to, it doesn't probably feel real until it's over. And that's almost like a college experience plus more to be with people.
And then like, do you keep in touch with anyone?

Speaker 2 Kind of. You know how it goes.
I mean, yeah, like I.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we are on text sometimes and like you make loose plans and then yeah, Penn texted me out of the blue the other day actually because he was shooting I think his final season of you in our old sit on our old sound stages.

Speaker 2 So, he was like texting me. We're kind of like catching up.

Speaker 2 That's sweet. So, I'll see Penn every now and again, and Layton in town.
And, you know, Blake's like, I think in Westchester. We'll text sometimes, actually.
And I saw Ed in Europe recently. Kind of

Speaker 2 like, so that's awesome. So, yeah, yeah.
But it was more, it wasn't like the material. I was really ready to move on to different material in a different role.

Speaker 2 But like New York, I guess I wasn't really ready to leave New York. Do you think you'd ever go back? I'm too old.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I think the way to do it is to have one and both.

Speaker 1 I know. Fuck.
Do you have

Speaker 1 I have thought about it, but yeah, it's weird because like you're right. You hit a certain point where like New York is so beautiful when you're in your 20s.

Speaker 1 And it's even when I look back, like I had the, like, this shitty ass apartment where there were like fucking rats.

Speaker 1 And I had one of I had the Ed room where like my two roommates got to have like the normal rooms. And then we like, there was like a built wall for me.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, just putting a mattress and I could barely fit. And it was some of the best years of my life.
Totally. But now, when I think about going back to New York, like I like

Speaker 1 a backyard and like being relaxed and like not having to like walk outside and get like hit in the head and like pushed to the ground and like screaming people. I'm like,

Speaker 1 I like to go for a trip and then get the fuck out.

Speaker 2 Totally. Yes.
You know, and the winters are kind of brutal, right? I like my car. I might like to go to the grocery store with my dog and like cook and have space.

Speaker 1 Yes. The dog.

Speaker 2 Spoiled with the sun now, too.

Speaker 1 The ex-girlfriend with the dog. Still not over that.
Let's talk about your love life.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you in a relationship?

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Speaker 1 Let's talk about your love life.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you in a relationship?

Speaker 2 No, it's a dumpster fire out. No.

Speaker 2 It's all a dumpster fire.

Speaker 1 What's going on? What is your time?

Speaker 2 2024.

Speaker 2 This is things. Times are tough out there.

Speaker 1 It is fucking tough. It is tough.
Okay, what's going on? You're very single. Are you going on any dates?

Speaker 2 What are we doing? I joined Raya like a week ago.

Speaker 1 How's it going?

Speaker 2 Terribly. It's really scary.
No, it's scary.

Speaker 2 I really say that because you're like, am I going to get

Speaker 2 kicked off? I actually enjoy it.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Was that going to kick you off? No. No, no, I actually enjoy it because

Speaker 2 everyone told me not to do it. And so I had, like, think I had a few drinks.
And then one night I was like, I'm doing it. And I just did it.
I'm like, this is great.

Speaker 2 I haven't been on one day. No, don't, don't get me wrong.
I'm like, haven't engaged at all. I'm a total.
I'm creeper faced. Right, right.
Figuring this thing out. What is this thing?

Speaker 2 It's intimidating. I've never done it in any of the assets.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yes. I was on Raya.
But the problem for like a lot of, I feel like the women is like, the guys are very,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Like,

Speaker 1 a lot of them are DJs.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 I know, I don't, I'm not looking for like, I wasn't wasn't looking for a spin the beats guy. Right.
A lot of them like lived in Australia or it would be like UK.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, can I set my settings closer? Like, I don't want to go on my first date across the fucking world.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 So it was a little bit of like a proximity thing, a little bit of like a intimidation thing too, because like the other dating apps is like, oh, this is like a nice, normal person.

Speaker 1 This is like, who are you? And like, what do you do for a living? And like, everyone's net worth it. And you're like, I'm just, it's overwhelming.
Yes.

Speaker 1 So I could see why you like have a hard time getting off the app for that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's definitely weird.
And I definitely have no expectation. And I'm not like, I don't even know really what I want.

Speaker 2 I'm just trying to, you know, it's just like another avenue to maybe meet somebody. Right.
But yeah, the only connection I've had is like, oh, cool. Oh, Indonesia.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay, great.
When am I? We're going to go to Bali. Never.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I remember there was this one guy that

Speaker 1 I remember I like randomly matched with. And I think he was on like, he was on, he, you know, he was on, what was it called? Oh, vampire diaries.

Speaker 2 And I remember being like, I'm a big fan of vampire diaries.

Speaker 1 and so i'm like oh and it's like

Speaker 1 he's shooting in toronto and i was like

Speaker 1 i live in new york city and like but you're still like am i getting on a plane to see this man yes no yes no you're like yeah no maybe but yeah buried in i'm like you ever in new york he's like you ever in toronto i'm like no unmatched bye but i'll watch next season yeah great talk about it it sucks it sucks you're gonna figure it out i know you're gonna figure it out yeah do you consider yourself a romantic uh i do a little bit Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, what would you consider a romantic?

Speaker 1 I think someone that like when you're in a relationship, you're like very

Speaker 1 like you like to set it up for this like very romantic setting of like you're not just like do like walking through the process.

Speaker 1 It's like candles and roses and you want to like make time together and you're very like, I don't know, sweet and cute.

Speaker 2 And yeah, I think, I think, I think I'll say yes. So I am.
I'm not candle. I like to cook.
So I do like to cook for

Speaker 2 girls. I I like to, and I'm a homebody, so I like to, when I'm in it, I do.
I really do like to focus and like do the thing and like be very thoughtful. I feel like I'm a thoughtful person.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 How are your first dates? Are you good at first dates, bad at first dates?

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, I, I mean, everyone, they're awful, though, right? But, but it's like I have generally met people through friends or friends or through kind of indirect ways. Yep.

Speaker 2 Uh, so the first, the first dates are always like interview process, campaigning, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So, uh, but you, when you know, you know, kind of like right away, I could still get through a first date that's like, well, you don't, you know, it's like, okay, we're going to be friends, maybe.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. I feel like first dates, you know, that you like the person if it feels less like an interview.
And you're like, oh, we're making like headway.

Speaker 1 Like, no first date is going to be like, this is like the fucking best thing ever. Like, I would hope there's room to grow and get better.
But some first dates are like.

Speaker 1 10 minutes in. And I'm like, I got to fucking go.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And then it becomes, I've definitely been awkward on first dates.

Speaker 1 Do you just say the whole time?

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, you can't, what are you going to do? Ghost out the back? I was like, oh, I left my keys.
And then

Speaker 1 that would be fucked. And then someone would like write online about you being like, he's the biggest fucking douche.
Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 People do that, though. I've had friend buddies that, like, girls have done that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, because part of it is like you could be respectful and be like, you're, I literally,

Speaker 1 I know this is not right. Let's just like not waste each other's time.
But some people would be like, you fucking piece of shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fuck you. And then you're like, oh, I don't want to be a dick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Have you been in love before?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Yeah.
Oh, how many times?

Speaker 2 That's a good question. Probably at least two.

Speaker 2 At least two.

Speaker 1 Because have you had those where you're like, was that love? Or it was love in the moment, but now that I've grown up, maybe you like redefine it a little bit.

Speaker 2 Right. One was pretty instantaneous.
And then another one was... Over time.
Over time. So I've kind of experienced both.

Speaker 2 And I don't really subscribe to the idea that there's like one soulmate for you. I think there's

Speaker 2 a handful, maybe, however you want to, but it's definitely once in a blue moon that you meet. Very rarely you're going to meet someone that you really connect with.

Speaker 2 And what you do with that, you know, is a timing thing. And then maybe, you know, it can, it can work out or it doesn't.

Speaker 2 But we all have those things that might not have closure, you know what I mean? And that's okay. It's, you don't have to have like closure, but there's those open-ended things.

Speaker 2 You're thinking, like, maybe if I'd been more evolved or like I'd been like five, five years older and a different place in my life, there's a few times where I definitely not regret, but I'm like, oh, I wish I'd been in a different place in my life.

Speaker 1 That is interesting where you like, oh, that's such a good point.

Speaker 1 Where you like look back at it and you recognize who you were compared to who you are in the reflection stage, where you're like, oh my God, imagine how different I would have been even if I was me in that relationship now.

Speaker 1 Right. I probably would have been fucking prospering and happy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I could have had it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like picky blinders. No, but but but yeah, I've like been and I'm like, God, I was such a head case back then.

Speaker 2 I couldn't have like just like not been an asshole. You know, but I was always

Speaker 2 stuff. Like I was just, you know, you know, whatever you want to call it, mental health stuff.
It was just like I was in a bad place and not dealing with it. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I was like, like, just, just avoiding.

Speaker 1 Oh, and that's a really interesting topic because

Speaker 1 that means you're growing, obviously. Right.
But I think that when you have your own shit going on, there's no fucking way that you can be like 100% present for a partner.

Speaker 1 That's hard to do even when you're in a fucking healthy relationship.

Speaker 2 Of course, exactly. Like when I moved back from New York and I was in that kind of funk, I met a girl who was like incredible and went out to be very, very successful.
Is that the one with the dog?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to figure out what the football.

Speaker 2 Who the fuck is the one with the dog? It's a girl I worked with on a, on a, on a, it was a bad TV show, but it was like in 2015, maybe or something. Okay.
So we're still good friends. She's great.

Speaker 2 She's a great, very great friend. Shout out.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But we both travel, so we both have to do with the dog. I'm defending myself.
No, it's okay. It's okay.
I'm just fascinated.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, how would that work?

Speaker 2 It works. It can work.
Telling you.

Speaker 1 Oh, but so you kind of fell for a girl after that like weird moment and then it just didn't work because you weren't in a good headspace.

Speaker 2 I wasn't in a good space. And I just kind of let it slide.
I let it kind of float away. And she was like, would be in town and reaching out.
And we kind of had it, you know, hooked up.

Speaker 2 I had a thing in New York when we were both there. And then, and then, um,

Speaker 2 yeah, I just, I think about some of those things. Like, if I just been in a different, you can't help that, though.

Speaker 2 You get what you get, and it's a timing thing, and it's just life. But I do think about those

Speaker 2 kind of missed moments from time to time.

Speaker 1 But I think it also allows you, like, into going into this next chapter of like whoever you're going to find, like that allows you then to like reflect and be like, I know I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be more present. And like whatever you know, you fucked up on, then you take that and like move on.
No, totally. Yes.
How long has been your like longest relationship?

Speaker 2 About three, four years, probably. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are the top like three qualities right now that you would be saying you're like looking in for a partner? We can put this on your Raya profile too.

Speaker 2 Like just clip this and put this on. It's very sparse, my Raya profile.
I think, I think every photo is

Speaker 2 cut off. Like, I'm like, stop.
Eyeball. Like, I'm like, I'm not screwing with it.
I don't even care.

Speaker 2 I'm like, whatever. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's just like a picture of dog, dog, dog, half face.

Speaker 2 It's out there in the world. It is.
No, it is. It's half my dog's face and half my face.
And one shot. Yeah.
It's great. Right.

Speaker 1 Because you're hoping they won't fully notice you and then they just click. So, like, the dog is nice or something.
And it's not like, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 It's not a signed headshot or anything. Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 But, you know, but no, I, I, um, things I look for i guess i guess for me i do i am a like a closet reader and like kind of nerd i do like to be able to have like kind of you know in you know in-depth conversation uh

Speaker 2 sense of humor is kind of a big one for me like and you know and that's kind of an umbrella thing right that if if they have that wit and you kind of have that back and forth and that weird that weird connection you know where you can make each other laugh yeah and that's an umbrella like personality wit intelligence thing it's like if that that's kind of the number one thing yeah you know do you care if they're in the industry?

Speaker 2 I'd prefer not actually

Speaker 2 at this stage in my life. I get it.
Right. Yeah.
I mean, I think that's that's part of the reason I was like, my, I saw my buddies on dates with these like med students and neuroscientists. I'm like,

Speaker 2 where are you? Where is that? Yeah, they're like, Raya. I'm like, okay, you know, so there really are, I've seen so far, I'm like a weekend, there are other people that do other things.

Speaker 2 And I'm like trying to, it's such a bubble out here, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So it's a lot. You're like, I want,

Speaker 2 i want that doctor that nurse the dentist yeah what about a therapist yeah probably yes i would love yeah i see psychotherapists on there sometimes i'm like there you go could save some money yes

Speaker 1 switch therapists right now right now to my girlfriend yeah um what's a deal breaker for you deal breaker oh man um

Speaker 2 oh

Speaker 2 Bad tats? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Bad tats. Like how bad? Like what have you seen that you you haven't liked?

Speaker 2 I don't know. You know,

Speaker 2 that's a stupid one. Like, I really don't care about that.
I'm obsessed. I mean, maybe like a neck tat is probably like a deal breaker.

Speaker 2 You know, I guess a neck tat.

Speaker 1 You're not, you're not loving the neck tats. Have you gone on a date recently with

Speaker 2 that? I haven't. That's the thing.
It's actually never happened. Where did that come from? I don't know.
He's like picturing her face.

Speaker 1 And he's like, just if there's a neck tat. Okay, no neck tats.

Speaker 2 You know, but tattoos are so ubiquitous, but like, but they're not bad. But

Speaker 1 it's okay. A necktie.
We're moving on.

Speaker 2 Punctuality, too. Okay, that's really switching gears.

Speaker 1 You are really on time.

Speaker 2 You were early. I'm a little bit early, embarrassingly.

Speaker 2 You were like at the door. Yeah.
Hi.

Speaker 2 Ready to go.

Speaker 2 It's like an anxiety thing. I like, if I'm running late, it's over.
I can't. I hate being late down.
I'm going to get down, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've had people so fucking late for the show. So I appreciate that you're early.
I'm like, let's get it going.

Speaker 2 So thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been cheated on?

Speaker 2 Once kind of, not really. I think,

Speaker 2 so we had like plans, like holiday plans and like moving to the next phase of the relationship. And she abruptly broke up with me.
And then I found out.

Speaker 2 that it was like she was there was like an opportunity for someone like a famous person a really famous person like uber and and then she thought that they were gonna date and they that didn't happen but but um you're like but yeah yeah but uh but that was the only closest thing, yeah, to that.

Speaker 2 That sucked.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's sad, but then it like you know, my perspective.

Speaker 2 It was like I have a perspective on that, so I was like, Okay, whatever.

Speaker 1 Well, and I think it also tells you something about that person, totally.

Speaker 2 No, it actually helps, it actually like kind of helps. We're like, Oh, you were basically with me, ooh, I didn't see, yeah, I didn't see that coming.
Like, that's a very interesting thing to know.

Speaker 1 But that can hurt if she goes from like you to Brad.

Speaker 2 You're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 you're like, I get it, but it also indicates like what you're looking for, right? Right, right, okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Have you ever gone through a partner's phone?

Speaker 2 I have not. No, I'm actually very, I have like almost the opposite of trust.
I'm almost like two trusting people. Two trusting.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm like, just go do your own thing.
Like, I need my own space. I'm great.
Like, go. She's like fully cheating on you.

Speaker 2 Go to Mexico. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go have fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you ever walked in on someone going through your phone?

Speaker 2 Someone did go through my phone once.

Speaker 1 It was bad. Did you walk in on them going through it?

Speaker 2 I was going to wake up in the middle of the night to them freaking out.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, listen, if you're going to, listen, okay.

Speaker 1 We love this on Colorado.

Speaker 2 If you're going to go through anybody's phone, you're going to find something that you don't like.

Speaker 1 Totally. Even like a text with their mother.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to find something you don't like.
So, and I will say there was nothing bad. I wasn't cheating or anything.

Speaker 2 But, but, you know, it was not fun. And I was very, felt violated, but you can't like, you know, it's like a weird thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, my. And in the middle of of the night, that, like, the ambush of like, wake up.
And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It was so stressful. You're like, you're like, you piece of shit.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, what's happening? And at first, you're like, someone's coming into the room. There's someone in the house.

Speaker 2 What's happening? And they're like,

Speaker 1 and then they're like, I had your phone.

Speaker 2 Oh, and I'm like, oh, God. I'm like, what? And then the first thing I was like, wait, what did you, what are you talking about? Right.
Like, what did you mean?

Speaker 2 I really don't think I have anything weird in there. But yeah, it was, it was a moment for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Interesting.
Did you stay with the person?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh.
Yeah, we did. Yeah.
We worked out. Worked it out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How much longer did that last?

Speaker 2 Another year.

Speaker 2 Okay. And a half.
Okay. Yeah.
Wow. Another year and a half.

Speaker 1 Did you hear about that incident a lot?

Speaker 2 I didn't actually. I didn't.
I didn't. But I got dragged a couple's therapy.
So that was

Speaker 2 which I actually loved. I thought you were.
You did.

Speaker 2 I'll take it. I didn't love it, but I thought it was a good thing.
It wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I think it was great.
I think it's great. I'm not very afraid of that.

Speaker 1 I've always been open to therapy i do it now yes um and i think it's it's like going to the gym right it's like you go to the gym for a certain thing it's a very specific thing people make it this like there's a stigma behind this there's just no stigma no relationship is perfect and i actually had a couples therapist on the other week and she was just talking to me about like it's so weird that now we've like normalized therapy but couples therapy yeah yeah yeah it's like what's wrong with you and i'm like who doesn't fight in a relationship who doesn't have problems who doesn't like no relationship is perfect.

Speaker 1 So it's almost like I commend the people that are honest about it. Like I had said, like, I went to couples therapy and it was like the best thing for my partner and I where I was like, yes.

Speaker 1 I feel so much.

Speaker 1 more aware of where he's coming from because you have a person in the room that like is so unbiased. Neutral moderator.

Speaker 2 And it's like this time you can, you can air out those things safely. Yeah.
And it's just about being a fucking adult. Like you learn how to be an adult, like at least for me in this relationship.

Speaker 2 And I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 And it was a very nice, you know, know and when you're doing it doesn't feel it's like going to the dentist kind of you don't want to do it but it's you know it's like you do it and it was a really great thing so yeah

Speaker 1 okay let's talk about your show obviously i'm like we're talking about gossip girl i apologize but obviously we just had to get through the og shit right your show I'm obsessed with the fact that you went from a man who was dressing like this like Upper East Cider, this like kid with a trust fund to a superhero.

Speaker 1 Are you loving it? Like being in the one costume the whole time? Because I feel like a whole part of Gossip Girl was your outfits, obviously.

Speaker 1 And now, obviously, I'm looking at you in the same outfit every scene. I'm like, this is kind of interesting.
Obviously, if people haven't watched it, the boys, this is season four.

Speaker 2 This is for the boys, yeah, coming out. Tell me about it.
It's great. It's the most fun I've ever had doing anything, really.
I mean, not like, you know. Just like work-wise.

Speaker 2 Like the character, it's it's comedy. It's so much fun.
Right. We're making fun of like the privileged, you know, male asshole.
You know what I mean? Like that guy.

Speaker 2 The costume is great because I never have any fittings. I don't have to come in and do extra fittings.
So it's like one little thing. Costume's a little bit of a pain in the ass, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 But it's great. Yeah, the show's awesome.

Speaker 1 What happened with

Speaker 2 the whole

Speaker 2 dick thing?

Speaker 1 What happened with the whole penis situation?

Speaker 2 I was going to think about that until you started doing it. I'm like, I know exactly.
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 How do we...

Speaker 2 There's a story there.

Speaker 2 Tell everyone the story. Which is really funny because it was great press for the show when it first came out because no one knew if the show was going to work.

Speaker 2 But also the creator was like, never tell anyone.

Speaker 2 Never tell anyone the real story that was you

Speaker 2 you're like really yeah it was me no but this calendar came out right this calendar came out of me and the character and there was this massive uh rocket in the suit and they made this calendar and it was really funny and very in character too but no one knew it's a satire of a show you know no no people are seeing this like what is this Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg produce it.

Speaker 2 They're amazing. And they thought it would be really funny in the Genesis.
We hadn't even filmed anything.

Speaker 2 We were doing the suits that would have the deep just had like a raging erection in like a third of the scenes.

Speaker 2 I thought it was brilliant. I'm like, that's great.
It's hilarious. It's hilarious.
So then the fittings, I started showing up when they had a box, the character's name's The Deep.

Speaker 2 They had a box called Little Deeps, and it was like all these different foam pieces, all different types. I'm obsessed.
Settle on one.

Speaker 2 And I'm walking around. Oh, no.
First, we did, so that's what happened. We did a big, we did all these like screen test cameras, camera shoots, photo shoots with this thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we hadn't actually shot. Amazon hasn't really even seen anything.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 My first day on set, it's like a a big in toronto big big stage i'm in front of like 2 000 people and i come out i'm like introducing aaron moriari's character and everyone just starts laughing because it's so funny the light you can really see this were you at all like anxious about it or you thought it was hilarious i thought it was hilarious i wasn't anxious about i kind of thought though i'm like guys we got to remove it sometimes right it can't be like in there forever it looks ridiculous it's so it's so obvious it's so funny it's so funny and so i'm like and literally they didn't amazon gave us no notes they let us do whatever the only note first note was like you gotta take that thing out of the deeps pants you gotta take that thing out so they actually spent so much money frame by frame editing out that scene just in that area for that scene in the pilots first episode Everyone forgot that we did all these.

Speaker 2 So whoever thought in the PR thought it'd be funny to make a calendar out of it was

Speaker 2 genius. I'm obsessed.
But the calendar came out and then people didn't know what they had no idea what that was.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're right. It was great PR.
Because everyone was talking about it. It was like, oh my God, look at this penis.
Like, what is happening with this like big schlong?

Speaker 1 Like, it kind of looks real.

Speaker 2 I mean, it looks very real. You'd never think it'd be like a fake

Speaker 2 boner calendar. I mean, you know, it was great.

Speaker 1 So you're loving it. You're having a good time.

Speaker 2 Loving it. Yeah.
Yeah. Still loving it.

Speaker 1 So, what was that audition process like?

Speaker 2 It was the complete opposite of gossip, girl. It was like Christmas time.
They were like, we got to, we got to cast the superheroes and the superheroes are the bad guys for no one's watched the show.

Speaker 2 It's like the satire because they said they had to make the suits. Anyway, I'm like, there's no way that

Speaker 2 they're not going to like bring people back in the new year. Like it's dead, dead zone is December, like even like Thanksgiving through.
Oh my God, do I really got to go in for this audition?

Speaker 2 I love the material. I'm like, this is amazing.
Get there. It's complete opposite.
I'm like, very annoyed. I'm like, I'm like, last.

Speaker 1 Right, you don't think you're getting it?

Speaker 2 There's a ton of actors in there. Well, it's just like a catalog.
There's like a lot of actors out there auditioning and they audition everyone, no matter who you were.

Speaker 2 But I went in there and felt really good about the audition. I felt I had the creator laughing and the scenes were funny.
Kind of felt like I nailed it.

Speaker 2 And then they're like, oh, we want to test him or whatever, like the day, the day after. And I'm like, perfect, great.
So we'll go back in for like round three, four, five, like in the new year.

Speaker 2 And she's like, no, they're just going to use that tape you just did. And I was like,

Speaker 2 well, do I need to do it better? Like, can I make some changes?

Speaker 2 And I got nervous because I'm like, they're like, no, they're just going to play it in front of all the Amazon Sony people. And I'm like, that's how it works these days.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I have been out of the game. Right.

Speaker 2 But, but, but they, and that's what happened. It was like very quick.
They kind of did the deal and they did it. It was between me and I think some other person.

Speaker 2 And then we, and then they, and then, yeah, I had the job like before Christmas. I was like, wow, this is awesome.
I don't have to go through like a month of like pulling my, pulling my hair out.

Speaker 1 Right. Like it was one and done.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Cause then the longer you go, the more you want the job if you like it. You're like, I want this thing.
And I'm like used to

Speaker 2 waking up. Like, what if I get this job? So, yeah, it was a very quick, like, week-long process.

Speaker 1 Well, it's fun to see you, obviously, like back on screen. And I feel like you, yeah, your character is like quite hilarious.

Speaker 1 Like, it's so funny to see you in such a different light, obviously, because of like the gossip girl OGs that like will follow you to whatever you do.

Speaker 1 It's such a departure from that that I kind of love that though. Because I think you needed to do that.

Speaker 2 I needed to do that. Yeah.
I think I still need to do it even more, but I liked it. It was a complete shake up and a complete,

Speaker 2 yeah, it's a kind of dark comedy does some weird stuff in the first episode, but it's like very dark and they and they. give us an opportunity to show some range.

Speaker 2 So it's like comedy and some weird like insecurity there. And like, it's good, good to show that color.

Speaker 1 So um, what are you doing in the summer?

Speaker 2 I'm not, you know, I got no, I'm going to Tahoe with the family and like in July is around my birthday. I do like a 4th of July in Idaho with some friends up to this place, Gaza or whatever.
And

Speaker 2 then Tahoe and then got no Italy plants, got no Italy trip this year.

Speaker 2 I think it's okay. It's okay.

Speaker 1 I think it's like a little,

Speaker 2 we're over. It's a lot.
We're over. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 We're like, no, you guys go do your thing. We'll be here.
No, I think Italy is amazing. I think like the vibe is to not go in the summer.

Speaker 2 i think so too i think so too it's like earlier like late season yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's probably not as expensive but there's also not as many people there like right it's we're convincing ourselves why it's good that we're not in like coffee we're like it's fun we're going to tahoe okay um okay so you're going on some trips wait i didn't realize your sister is married to tony romo she is yeah that's kind of fun yeah it's great he's awesome we grew up big cowboys fans so that was like a good

Speaker 2 do your parents love that oh they love it yeah they love it and so he play he's the one playing in the in the Tahoe golf tournament with some friends. Fun.

Speaker 2 And so it's this whole like, it's like my dad, for him, it's like better than Christmas. He loves that old tournament.
Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 We went out in there and hang out with the family.

Speaker 1 I am so happy that you came on. I think you're such a great.
cool guy. I really had no idea what to expect, if I'm honest.
Like, I was like, is he going to be a little stiff?

Speaker 1 Like, is he going to, because I've never really seen you do that many interviews. Right.
You don't do much.

Speaker 2 I guess I don't. No.
And not like in a cool, great format, conversational. You're the best.
Yeah, yeah. No, this is, this is great.
I was really excited about it.

Speaker 1 Did you have fun? I didn't have a boss.

Speaker 2 This is, I wish they were all like this, Alex. So thank you.
You're awesome. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for coming on. This was so fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Daddy Gang, I'm about to make you a little cocktail with two of my favorite ingredients, Patron 100% additive-free, tequila. We're doing reposado and then unwell hydration.

Speaker 1 They all make for incredible mixers, but today we're using orange hibiscus. Let's go.
So, first, we're gonna start with an orange.

Speaker 1 I am going to cut a slice and we are going to put it at the bottom of the drink so we can get even more of these natural flavors into

Speaker 1 Les Drink. Now, Alex, let's think to ourselves why you don't cook or you never really enter the kitchen.
This isn't gonna work. Let me do that again.
Let me cut a little bit of a smaller piece.

Speaker 1 So one sec, one sec, one sec. Honestly, it feels right that I get to finally have my Kendall Jenner moment.

Speaker 1 I slice my entire hand off. Okay, so I'm gonna put this at the bottom of my cup.
I'm just going to kind of push out the natural flavors, you guys. Okay, because if I'm making you a cocktail,

Speaker 1 I'm going in, I'm putting the grit in there. I'm gonna take the peel out, leave a little bit of the juice and the remnants.
Let's have a taste.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's delicious. One day, I'll be a soccer mom bringing the orange slices.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 1 Oh, here we go. Here we go.
This is a bitter slice.

Speaker 2 Okay, anyways, next Ice.

Speaker 1 I love a cold, cold, cold cocktail. Here's the thing.
I was a bartender, but I never weirdly ended up hooking up with a bartender. I did hook up with the boss, but that's for another time.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we're gonna do two ounces of Patron Reposado. We're gonna pour this into our cup here.

Speaker 1 Gorgeous. And then we are going to add orange hibiscus.
Matt and I have been drinking this drink kind of every time before we go go out on like a weekend.

Speaker 1 Ladies, if you are getting ready and you're going on a first date and you need a good cocktail, this is the go-to.

Speaker 1 If you're coming home from a date and you're crying your eyes out, this is the cocktail for you. I'm gonna make it gorgeous, girls.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 1 would you just look at that?

Speaker 2 A cocktail.

Speaker 1 A stiffy. Oh my god, that looks so cute.
This has been my go-to on date nights before I go out. We're making this up.
I'm drinking it by the pool. It's about to be summer.

Speaker 1 Whether you're going on date nights or you're going out with your girls, this is the perfect, perfect cocktail. I personally love reposado.
Obviously you can switch it up. Patron has reposado.

Speaker 1 They have an ajo, they have blanco, but I'm kind of a reposado girl.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 look how cute. And it's literally so easy.
It's only two ingredients. You also don't need to go get a real orange.
This does the trick, ladies. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Whenever I come home from work, I'm constantly wanting just like a nice little nightcap. And I feel like drinking with unwell hydration, I wake up in the morning and I'm ready for my 8 a.m.
meeting.

Speaker 1 Nothing can take me down.

Speaker 1 Gorgeous. So daddy gang, thank you so much for making this cocktail with Patrone and me.
Cheers.

Speaker 2 Matt's gonna come home and be like,

Speaker 1 thanks, babe. I'm actually so excited because Matt's about to be home and he's gonna be like, did you do this for me?

Speaker 1 I'm like, no, it's actually for the daddy gang, but like, yeah, we'll just pretend that I'm being like the sweetest wife being like, babe, you're home. I made you a cocktail.

Speaker 1 I'll make him another one.

Speaker 2 Come on.

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